Transcript of #349 AJ Gentile - Grand Canyon Conspiracies, AI Extinction and Nuclear War on Mars

AJ Gentile, welcome back.

Good to be back.

Good to have you back, man. I mean, shit, we just did a whole 4-hour podcast up in my office.

We did. Only about 2 hours we can release.

But, uh, yeah, man, it's good to catch up. Like, really good to catch up.

I'm comfortable coming back. I appreciate it.

You know, usually I give an introduction, but I don't feel like I need to give one right now. AJ Gentile, founder of The Y-Files, wildly successful podcaster. Now podcaster. Last time you were here, we were kind of going through— it was an idea. It was turned into a real thing. And how many people have you interviewed now? Do you even— have you lost count?

I'm at 35.

Shit.

Yeah.

How do you like it?

Well, it's harder than it looks. You know, you kind of make it look easy. It's harder than it looks. It's a lot more work than I thought. Um, I like it. It's cool to talk to smart people who know a lot more than I do about stuff. And right now I'm sticking with just the people who are in sort of the orbit of my episodes. Like, if I'm going to do a time travel episode, great, and I'll find some physicists that I'm talking about in the episode. So now I can just call that physicist and be like, hey, you want to come on and shoot the breeze about your theories, and they do. I love it.

Pretty cool, right? What do you see it growing into?

I don't think it grows into much more than this. Um, you know, there are some that would like me to go a little more mainstream, like more mainstream guests.

What does that mean?

I turn down every celebrity, every politician, every Journalists, I turn them all down. Every government, every dude in the government or lady in the government, turn them all down. I, I'm kind of just sticking with sort of my wheelhouse.

Who wants you to go mainstream?

You know, your reps, your— my team. You know, I don't want to name names of who I've turned down, but turned down some big, big Hollywood stars because it's like, what are we gonna— what are you gonna talk about with him?

You know, It's weird, isn't it? Yeah, it's weird.

So

it's like, what are— what do you— what do you talk about,

right,

with certain people? I know what you mean. I mean, I've had a lot of politicians on, probably won't have many more on, but, uh, but yeah, with the celebrity stuff, like, I like— I like— I used to like talking to, uh, I used to like talking to the politicians because, I don't know, I kind of thought maybe you had a gauge on where we're going, Boy, was I wildly wrong. Yep. Holy shit.

You get nothing. You just get their— you just get their, their lines. They get— you get the rehearsed lines. I don't want to do that.

It's crazy.

Yeah, I don't want to do that, and I don't want to be a tool for anyone's agenda.

Yeah, good for you, man. Good for you.

Well, who knows? I, you know, I may crack at some point,

man. Yeah, but yeah, with this, with the— yeah, it's like some people want to come on, it's like, well, what do you want to talk about? Like, there's like, there's just not much there.

Nope. It's like, and I'll ask like, what are you gonna talk about that's gonna be of interest to my audience? And it's like, well, we're going to talk about, you know, geopolitics and Israel and Iran. Like, I don't think we need any of that on my show.

Yeah,

go on CNN or whatever. My audience doesn't want to see any of that. And I, and I try to stay out of politics. I keep it apolitical. People have been still— they're trying to figure out my politics for years. They cannot pin me down, and that's the way I like it.

Yeah, yeah. Is there any areas you want to go that you haven't gone to yet?

No, I don't think so. You know, I love me a physicist. All the, uh, the scientists who talk about consciousness— give me a quantum physicist any day. I'm— I love it. Talking about occult experts, I think, are fun. Um, researchers who—

What have you learned about the occult?

Um, I learned that it's not as dark as I thought it was.

Really?

Yeah. I mean, uh, If you guys want to check out my interview with Mitch Horowitz, he's like a left path Satanist. And it's like, this guy sounds crazy on paper. It was a very enlightening conversation. And after talking to him for a while, I was like, I might be a Satanist. But it doesn't mean Satanist in the way, like in the biblical Satan kind of way. It's more of independent thinking, not judging others. He says it to be controversial. He doesn't mean Bible Satan. That's not what he means. He means letting people come to their own conclusions. Don't force an agenda on them. Don't force an ideology on them. And it was interesting, you know, when I— when you hear a cult, you think there's a pentagram and there's blood and there's, you know, there's virgins and all of that stuff. And there's a time and place for blood and virgins, but It's more about the rituals and the history of it. It was a very interesting talk.

What are the rituals of it?

Just about—

'Cause the occult could be a lot of things, right?

It could be.

The occult could be the Illuminati, Freemasonry.

Right, 'cause it just means hidden knowledge is all it is. So with a lot of the occult, it's here's this knowledge that has been hidden by the church for years and years that's actually kind of useful, or natural remedies like herbs and things like that, homeopathic remedies that were suppressed by the American Medical Association, those types of things. So Mitch says things like that to be controversial because they are, but that's not really what he's talking about. He's talking about more of an open-minded approach to things. And it's, you know, it resonated.

Is that the only one you've had on?

For occult, I've had a, you know, I couldn't name them off the top of my head, but I've had a couple of people who know that stuff. He's the only one who specifically talks about it, but he's an occult historian who came out of publishing. He was a major, major publisher for a huge publishing company, and that's where he went with his career. And it's interesting stuff.

Have you done anything on witchcraft?

I haven't. I've had— I have a couple of those folks who want to come on.

That would be considered a cult, correct?

That, to me, that's a little bit more of the types of things I'm not really— I don't really want to get into witchcraft, um, because I don't really believe in that. I don't really believe in witchcraft, which maybe I'm a hypocrite because I kind of believe in manifestation, you know. bending the universe to your will, making things happen. Maybe that's witchcraft. I don't know. I don't know what I'm just talking about, which— witches for 3 hours. I, I got to be able to take it seriously.

Mm-hmm.

And my show is not a confrontational show. So if someone says something wacky, I will just let them say it. At the end of my episodes, I do pop in for like a 2-minute wrap-up and say, all right, he said this, here's what I can prove, here's, you know, here's what's false, here's what's real. But, uh, but I don't want to get into an argument about witchcraft with some guy.

Well, I didn't mean get into an argument. I'm like—

But how do you not challenge that? You gotta check. Like, is witchcraft real? Is it? I don't want anyone to, to defend their position. I just want them to tell the stories.

I mean, do you think it's real?

Witchcraft?

Yeah.

No.

You don't?

No. But I think manifesting Manifesting reality. I think there's something to that. But is that witchcraft?

Kind of.

Kind of is. It kind of is.

I mean, you could— I mean, I, I mean, I don't really know much about witchcraft, but, uh, I mean, you're talking about, you know, potentially the ability to manifest a new reality. Now, That's kind of like a spell.

It kind of is, and I, and I believe in that.

And so if somebody's manifesting a new reality that puts harm onto you, but still, I mean, that's kind of along the same lines, right?

It is.

Are you careful about what you throw into the world? Like we were talking about on the Patreon segment, we were talking— I can't remember what came up about comments or something, and I talked about how how when somebody like does something, uh, to harm me or somebody I love or one of my friends or a family member, you know, or, you know, screws us over, takes advantage of a, of a vulnerable person, whatever, it pisses me off for whatever reason. Yeah. I feel like I've been wronged, you know, I will— I will— I don't do this so much anymore, but I used to— I used to waste hours, days, depending on what it is, thinking about how I can ruin that person's— it's funny, but like, it's not funny, because I would— I would literally— this is just how I think, you know. A problem happens and I have to solve it. And so if somebody's— if somebody's doing something to— to— to wrong me or somebody I love, then I come up with all these— I go into planning mode, problem solving. And then, and I used to be very, uh, it's like vengeance, you know.

And I would, I would, I would spend hours, days, you know, maybe days like planning how I can ruin not only this person's life but everybody around him, his entire family and his lineage. And then I would never act on it, but

But you said the word waste. You consider that a waste

of time?

Of course it is.

Does nothing for you.

No.

That's why I think forgiveness is so important.

Yeah. And my wife does not like that about me because I don't hold a grudge. I don't—

You don't hold a grudge?

No, uh, I really don't. If someone wrongs me, uh, like, you can cut this later if you want, but I'm going through, through a legal issue with my former manager who's not, not doing the right thing. And, um, I'm, I'm making them hurt and I'm enjoying it because they made me hurt.

Mm-hmm.

And hurt my family. And, you know, I've been dealing with them for, for 6 months and they just kind of been messing with me. And I'm telling them, guys, guys, that's— you're really gonna make— you're gonna, you're gonna push me too far. And then they went after Friends and family and stuff instead of me, because you're not going to get to me with threats. I'm not— you can't threaten me. I don't— the biggest law firm in the— I don't care. But then they went after friends and family. It's like, okay, now I'm gonna make you a project. And now they're my project. Is it a waste of my time? Probably. But you made me hurt, so now you gotta hurt. And it's, it's not a great trait.

That's what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I'm talking about. And I mean, yeah, so like in the position you're in, because it's a company, right?

Yeah.

Are you going— you're going through with a company?

Yeah. Knight Management. Good. There I said it.

Knight Management.

Knight Management.

Yeah. See, like that. I mean, do you know how many people— probably not many because not many people that deal with management companies on the grand scale, but anybody who is aspiring to do what you do, I mean, they hear that and they're like, not going with them.

Nope.

You know what I mean? And so, yeah, I mean, it's just— it's going to damage them. It's going to damage them. But I mean, it's so— I don't know, I've become like very careful about what I throw into the, you know, what I— what comes out of my mouth, what I speak, because if something happens, you can't take that shit back.

No,

you know, and, uh, words carry a lot of power. They can, especially with gossip, and you know what I mean? Like, it's, uh, they can be— it's powerful.

Yeah, I try to stay away from it, try to stay away from the negative talk and the gossip. It's not healthy, and if a lot of that stuff will just seem to happen, um, So I try to keep it positive, you know, make enough money to live, keep everybody healthy, that kind of thing. Because if you start talking about negative stuff, it finds a way. You know, there's some old saying that, uh, you know, if a man spends every day thinking that he's gonna die, eventually he figures out how to do it. And I think that's about manifestation. So I kind of don't go there too much.

You know, we were talking upstairs about, you know, you were asking about, you watched my interview with Tucker, and we were kind of talking about what I've been going through, you know, behind the scenes, and I haven't really disclosed much. And, and, and then you— I asked if you're a Christian. You said— I think you said kind of. And then down here you kind of said, I don't know if I really believe in God. What do you believe?

I believe there's something, there's some kind of force Which could probably be God. You know, I say I'm not that religious, but I told you I have Lady Guadalupe at my house. I wear Saint Michael around my neck.

You see, that's why that's interesting. If you don't believe in God, why do you have Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mary, the mother of Christ, and a Saint Michael's medal?

Because a part of me probably believes. Um, because I don't believe in nothing. I don't believe in just darkness. We die and it's just darkness. Maybe it's, it's just being hopeful, but I don't believe that. I think there's a, just a source of energy that we all come from. We come to Earth and we do some stuff, we learn some lessons, and then we go back to the source and then try it again. That's, that's what I think. Maybe that source is God.

So you believe in reincarnation?

In a way, yeah.

What makes you believe that?

Um, years and years ago, I ran across a series of books by Raymond Moody, who was a hypnotherapist. And he was hypnotizing people just about PTSD and trauma. And he started finding that a lot of them had the same story about a lot of near-death experience stuff. And they would have these near-death experiences, which we've all heard the same stories with the light, and you see somebody or whoever. But then they were talking about these experiences they have after that, where they go to a place after that and they're meeting people in their soul group and their soulmate. And it's the same 20, 30 group of people. And then, um, you sort of discuss with your soul group like, oh, how was that? What did you learn? What do you want to do next? Do you want to go back here? Do you want to try this? Do you want to have a difficult life and learn more? Do you have an easy life to take a break? And a lot of those stories resonated. He changed my whole look on it. I didn't believe in reincarnation. I really didn't. But the stories were very similar.

And there was something about that that made sense and also gave me a sense of peace, made me less afraid of dying. Like, if you ever meet someone for the first time and you just kind of click, you're like, I just like this person. You know, I just get along with them. Or you meet somebody that you just don't like. That's— I believe in soulmates and soul friends because I've had a few. You know, I don't have a lot of friends, but I've had friends over my life where it's like, we just— I just feel really connected to that person.

Hmm. Have you looked into— I mean, you look into a lot of stuff. We're going to go through a lot of this. I got a whole, like, 16 things we can go— we can dive into that I know pretty much nothing about that sound fascinating. But have you looked into— have you looked into the Bible?

Um, I do a lot of—

Because you grew up Catholic, correct?

Was born Catholic, but not a super religious family. My grandparents were, um, so I was baptized and all that stuff, you know, Italian from the Bronx. It's the law. That's— you have to do it. Uh, but I have found myself coming back to the Bible more and more. I do Bible stories on the channel all the time, whether it's from either Noah or pseudepigrapha like the Book of Enoch or the Book of Philip, you know, things that aren't in the Bible that were at one point. I cover a lot of those stories because the Bible's full of great stories.

Mm-hmm.

So I do cover it. I'm not a biblical scholar, but I think for someone who's not in the church all the time, I have a pretty good handle on on the book and the stories and the lessons.

You don't find it— I mean, how did you fall out? I guess you didn't grow up in it.

Didn't grow up in it.

You didn't grow up in it. So why do you wear the medal and have Our Lady of Guadalupe candle burning at your house?

I've had Guadalupe around for many, many years. I found a candle of hers in a 99-cent store a bazillion years ago. And I, for some reason, I grabbed it and I did not know why. I remember having it in my apartment and Jen was like, what is this for? It's like, I don't know, but it makes me feel better. With St. Michael, there's, there's been some times in my life where I was really, really going through a hard time. And for some reason, I just stumble into a Catholic church, light a candle, find St. Michael. If he's got a row, I sit in his row. And it makes me feel better. St. Michael is the patron saint of police. So that's my family is law enforcement and he's the protector. He's the warrior saint. You know, he's, so I feel like, you know, he keeps an eye on me. I won't fly without him. I, I hold onto him tight when I'm—

Interesting. It's just interesting that you think. Do you mind if I make a suggestion? And I'm not trying to push anything on you by any means. Have you ever heard of John Burke?

I don't think so.

John Burke is a friend of mine, and I brought him on. He— I can't remember the number. It's like 3,000-something or 5,000-something. Thousands and thousands of people that have had near-death experiences from all over the world. all different beliefs and he finds the commonalities in them. And when he talks about it, I'll leave it at that. When he talks about it, it's fascinating. There's actually— he did a documentary, um, I think it's on Amazon, with, uh, another friend of mine, Lee Strobel. And it's about near-death experiences and like the commonalities that they find between all these different people. It's just, it's, it's It really will blow your mind. It's really— he's a cool guy to talk to about it.

I'd love to have him on. No matter what culture you're in, you see the same things. No matter how— even kids are seeing the same things and they're not culturally primed for it.

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

That's— there's something to that.

It is, man. It's a fascinating subject. But, well, hey, I got you a gift. I got you a couple gifts. I've been working a long time on this.

How am I supposed to open it?

Just flip the thing there. It should be unlocked. Holy shit. Can't open it, you can't have it.

I locked it. Oh, all right, the phone.

You know what that is? It's a Glacier. It's got the Glacier app on it. But, um,

I have it on my phone.

You get— you got it?

Yeah.

What do you think?

I love it. I only have a couple of numbers on there. Yours and a couple of others.

Right on. Well, I think I already told you why I developed it. The phone is really expensive and basically nobody can afford it. And anyways, we went into business together and made an app out of it that everybody can afford. And so, it's got the secure DNS, you got the burner numbers, VPN. The secure DNS is really like the monumental product, you know. And so I, you know, everybody, you know, I've talked about it a lot, but what, you know, another reason I developed— me and my wife were looking at, uh, we were looking at these, uh, sex toys online. We were wanting to spice it up in the bedroom. And, uh, so it turns out, yeah, we were looking at this thing called the Dolphin. Have you ever heard of it?

I don't think so, but my, my wife probably has.

So we were looking at this thing called the Dolphin, and so it turns out that you don't just get the advertisements on your phone. We spent a lot of time like looking at this stuff, and we're like, oh, how are we going to spice it up? You know, all these different things.

What's the Dolphin do?

You got to look it up. Or you can just— well, you can't now. Or anyways, where I'm going with this, my in-laws come to town.

Okay.

And so they— it turns out like it's on the network, not just on your phone. Oh, no. So they— so my mother-in-law and father-in-law, who already, you know, they've got it out for me, they start getting advertisements. For the dolphin. And yeah, so you know where I'm going with this. I do. So anyways, now you got that secure DNS on your phone that we made super simple. You just hit a button, it protects you from your data leaking up and everybody getting advertisements from the dolphin on your phone. So

I didn't think the Glacier app— Go there. Okay. Nope. King shame, you know.

Anyways, enjoy it, but you already have one. So anyways, I don't know.

Tell Dolphin we'll do something for Christmas.

Oh yeah, nice little stocking stuffer.

I see what you did there.

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I think we went, but I think they lied about a lot of stuff.

You do think— what do you think they lied about? I

think they found some stuff on there, up there, they weren't supposed to.

Probably being a designated driver for the SEAL Teams. Which means you pretty much just drive a bunch of drunk, angry SEALs that struck out at the bar. What's the closest you've come to walking away from your platform entirely?

There's been some times where the workload was so much that it was affecting my health. I was just getting sick. I was actually getting mentally and physically ill from the, from the workload and the pressure.

I get really irritable if I don't see my kids. What's the one thing you want people to say about your body of work in 20 years? But let's get into some— let's get into some, some of your work.

Okay.

So let's talk about dolphins. No, Planet Maldek.

Planet Maldek. Okay. Planet Moloch. So many years ago, maybe 18th century— how deep you want me to get?

Deep,

deep.

Let's do it.

18th century, there's, um, there's an astronomer. Forget his first name. His name is, uh, Titius. T-I-T-I-U-S. Came up with this formula that— the formula is something like 3 times 2 to the n plus 4 over 10. I think that's his formula. And if you plug that in to how far our planets should be from the Sun, they just started to line up. Like Mercury's in the right place, apply the formula. Venus is there, apply the formula. Earth— Going all the way out— Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune— all the way out until you get pretty farther out, then it's not as accurate. But inside, it's pretty close. And he found using his formula that there should have been a planet, like, around where— a little further in than where Jupiter is. Like that? That whole line, there was nothing there, and there should have been, and nobody really knew why. Then 20, 30 years later, as telescopes get better, astronomers are starting to see stuff in that band. They see, uh, Ceres, which is a large object in the asteroid belt. It's called— it's called a dwarf planet now because it's pretty big. And then they find Pallas, they find Atresta.

They find all these large objects in this asteroid belt, and they come to postulate that there once was a planet there, and that planet probably had a moon that was Mars. Because Mars doesn't really make sense. Like, our moon is weird. Mars is also weird. Like, it's— it, it doesn't make sense to be there.

Does Mars have moons?

Mars has moons, but they're tiny little, tiny, tiny little moons. Like, Phobos looks like a potato and stuff. Is there anywhere that a moon has a moon? Not that I know of, but, but in physics, that would work just fine. Um, any object can have another object rotating around it. You know, when, uh, when the Soviets were testing—

But isn't a planet— I mean, isn't there some type of gravitational pull that turns— that makes it a planet?

Yes, it makes it a planet. But any object, any object in space can have another object rotating around it.

Okay.

So like if there's satellite debris in space, they were very surprised to learn that some bigger pieces of debris had smaller pieces rotating around it.

Okay. So this is not uncommon.

Not uncommon. Do you remember the Hale-Bopp comet that eventually crashed into Jupiter? Maybe not. It was a little while ago. No one thought that a comet or an asteroid could have things orbiting around it. They didn't think that was possible. Then they learned that Hale-Bopp was actually 2 objects and there are things rotating around it. And when it finally hit Jupiter, it was just a whole string, like a necklace of all these impacts. So the legend goes that whatever it was, millions of years ago, this planet was there where it's supposed to be called Maldek. Other stories call it Phaeton, and it is populated by Some type of humanoid race, and this humanoid race creates these sentient robots, almost like a slave race, and they eventually revolt, and there's this war. And then the aliens that— on the planet devise this weapon that's gonna destroy all the robots. They fire the weapon at the planet, it works too well, and it just destroys the planet. And that eventually coalesces into this asteroid belt. But planet Maldek had a moon that was Mars, and Mars just kind of floated around until it finally was captured by the Sun's orbit to where it is now.

And there's some evidence of this, if you know, if you believe that theory, because Mars is a very strange planet where one side of Mars The crust is— maybe it's 10 miles thick, and the other hemisphere is 30, 40 miles thick. It's like 2 planets mashed into one.

Interesting.

And this, this one part of Mars is— it's all plains, it's kind of flat. The other part, it's all rocky and it's all torn to pieces. And part of the legend is Mars was once covered in oceans, and these oceans, they covered most of the planet. And these oceans would coalesce into this one area. And if that were true, then where those oceans would hit, it would dig this giant canyon. Well, no one believed there were oceans on Mars. Now we know that Mars was covered in oceans. It was covered in these blue oceans, just like we have water oceans that eventually got stripped away. And since we learned that, where those oceans coalesce, now we have this giant cavern on Mars. It's called Valles Marineris, which is a huge— it looks like the Grand Canyon with all these tributaries, but our Grand Canyon would, would be like a tiny little thing. Like, this covers half, maybe a quarter of the planet. It's huge. And, uh, like, the biggest volcano in the, in the solar system is on Mars. It's got all this, all this crazy stuff. Um, like, it's too light to be there.

It's not dense enough to be a, to be a planet. So they're doing measurements and they, they get an estimate of how much— like, what does the asteroid belt weigh? And it's too light to be a planet. It's just too light. If there were a planet there, we should see all this, all this rocky mass, but it's only about 5% of what a planet would be. Later we learned that if a planet did explode, 95% of it would reach escape velocity and would just go off into, you know, the rest of the solar system and beyond, and only about 5% would be left. And that's what's there. So a lot of it points to that. And there were some other scientists who had theories about how— that Mars was destroyed by nuclear war. I think it's, uh, John Brandenburg is, is, is the guy to look into.

Because Mars was destroyed by a nuclear war.

Yes, because he was finding isotopes on Mars— xenon-127, xenon-129. The only way we know how to make that isotope is through nuclear reaction, and he's finding it everywhere. But he's finding high concentrations of it at one part of the planet and in another part of the planet called Cydonia. I don't know if you've heard of Cydonia on Mars, but this is— if you see Cydonia, the pictures of it, this is where the Mars face is. You heard the Mars face? If you look at pictures of the Mars face, it looks like there's a giant structure there that's got a face on it. Like, for sure it's a face. Um, people ask NASA, hey, what about this face? And they said, oh, it's just pareidolia, it's really nothing. And then they released a picture not too long after that, and the face was just gone. It was just like flat. And also in Cydonia, it looks like there's cities, like there's structures, there's a grid. Like, it definitely looks like a city, believe it or not, but the pictures look like it. And this area is throwing off all this radioactive isotopes from, from potentially a nuclear war.

And we've also learned that, that nuclear reaction can take place even without bombs, because it's happened here on this planet. You know, we found it in West Africa, in the, in the Oklo region. I think it's in Gabon. Where we found, uh, 200,000-year-old nuclear reactors that happened naturally.

What?

Yeah, that burned for thousands of years, that threw off all kinds of energy, that happened just naturally. And uranium was much more denser back then. You mix it with seawater, salinated water, and it can create a nuclear reaction, which it did. It's not disputed. And so Brandenburg thought that maybe the nuclear war is what destroyed the planet and created this asteroid field. Nobody can really agree on why, why it's there, why it's made of these things. There, there are objects in the asteroid field that don't— that should not— that don't quite line up. These different compounds that really shouldn't be there. They don't— they come from other places, or they should be part of planets, but— But they're up there, and that's, that's the planet Maldek story.

What, you know, the, the first scenario, there was some kind of inter— there was a, there was a different war. Where did they come up with this theory?

Some of the theories come from just like science fiction. Um, the theory about the aliens lines up a little bit with the Anunnaki story about how the planet was going to be destroyed. They knew it, so the Anunnaki came here. If you remember, you talked to Joe McMoneagle. Did he talk to you about Mars?

Oh yeah, when we— when he came on, he talked about— he said that, um, actually I can't remember if he said this on my show or if I saw this in when I was researching him. Um, but he— there were— there was— there's— he had— he remote viewed Mars. I can't remember if it was like 10,000 BC.

A million.

A million BC. And, um, and there was a pyramid or something with a race of people in there.

Yes.

That were— I— that's about as much as I remember.

Yes. I can't remember why,

but

he said they were a tall race of people. He saw the pyramids, all that, and he said they know that they're going to go extinct, like they're aware of it and they're making plans to do something about it. And I don't think he gave much more of the story than that because he didn't know it was Mars until they— until after, wherever they gave him the envelope, you know. He— I think he was just given coordinates and they said, oh, those coordinates are actually on Mars, you know, a million years BC or whatever it was. So he saw that stuff. Now, Joe's usually wrong, but not always. You know, his hit rate, even if his hit rate is 10%, but I think it's a little higher, is pretty crazy. You know, he's been right about a lot of stuff.

Mm-hmm.

Is he right about Mars? You know, I don't know. You can explain a lot of the weird things about Mars with science. Some of it's a stretch, some of it is easy, but, uh, But Mars is a very odd object. You know, we don't really know why it lost its atmosphere so quickly, why its magnetic field just disappeared, why the oceans got stripped away. We don't really know that. But it wasn't that long ago. You know, not too long ago in the solar system, we had these 2 blue planets.

What do you think? Do you think it was a moon to another planet?

That makes the most sense to me. Um, you know, because, uh, it's called the Titchy's Bode Law, that formula where planets line up, but it seems to only work for about until you get really, really far out. But if you get to— if you get past like Neptune, if you get up to Neptune, so you've got the Sun, right? And the Sun's gravity pulls the same way in all directions. Right, that makes sense. Gravity cuts all directions to the Sun. That's the most dense thing. But for some reason, the first planets, really up until Neptune, they don't— they're not spread out evenly around the solar system. They kind of just rotate around the Sun almost on a platter. They're just in a flat line that just go around, just this one line. That's called the plane of the ecliptic. But then once you get past Neptune or so, And once we get into Uranus and we get into Pluto— We

have dolphins.

We see that planets start to behave very strangely, where Uranus has a ring and Pluto doesn't follow the plane of the ecliptic, it's really, really way out of line. Venus— all the planets kind of rotate the same way— Venus is upside down. And it's almost like something came through and just caused this, just wreaked havoc on the orbits of the planets, you know, came through, maybe destroyed that planet Maldek, smashed it. All that debris goes in, it throws Pluto's orbit out. Although something happens to Venus, it makes it spin backwards. Everyone can agree that something very catastrophic happened, but nobody really can agree on what it was. The planet Maldek theory, that's, that's a fringe theory. Scientists do not love that one. So you ask them, well, what happened? It's like, well, these are just— it's a planet that didn't quite form into a planet. That doesn't quite work either.

Hmm. Is it true every planet has a twin?

No, unless you're talking about parallel universes. But no.

Parallel universes?

Yeah, like what planets would have a twin according to that theory? No, I don't think so. Um, you know, the Earth and Venus— well, there is a theory about that, that, that planets are— they're kind of spun off in twos. That— but that's another wild theory where planets aren't formed by the, the, by the coalescing of debris in the, in, in the solar system. That's called the accretion formula, where there's just a bunch of junk and dust and it just eventually just comes together. Mm-hmm. There's another theory that planets are formed inside the the Sun and they're spun out. Once the Sun gets too chaotic, its spin gets to be too much, and then a planet is spun out. And that's why planets have this sort of axial momentum, is they, they inherit it from the Sun. And in that theory, they are shot out in twos. So you kind of got this Jupiter and, and Saturn are these gas giants, and then you've got Venus and Earth, which are kind of these rocky planets. Um, but then you got Mercury, who's kind of on its own. Then you have this sort of missing planet where one should be, where Maldek should have been.

You know, I don't— I think it's a fun theory. I, I don't think we have a lot of evidence for that, but there's an argument for it where we've got this thing in, um, in orbital mechanics called the frost zone. And that says like there's this one line around any star that planets that form with before the frost line become rocky. Like, so the Earth is a rocky planet, Venus and Mercury, so forth. And then once you get beyond the frost zone, then it's— then these are these gas giants because it's just too cold. But then people started finding exoplanets and they're finding gas giants that are way too close. They're finding gas giants that are closer than Mercury is. to the sun. That goes against the frost line theory, that, that they shouldn't be there. But they found hundreds of those, and nobody really knows why.

Wow. Do you, do you ever think about the beginning of time?

Yeah.

What do you think? What do you think it was?

Like Big Bang?

Yeah, Big Bang, whatever.

I, you know, uh, Big Bang, I kind of believe in that. What I— what, what catches me is what was before that?

That's what I want to ask.

You ask a theologian or someone who's very faithful what happened, it was like, well, God said there was nothing and there will be light, and there was light, and light was good. But you ask a physicist and they'll tell you, well, there's quantum foam and all. You get confusing answers. Nobody really knows what was there, but it's hard for us to get our monkey brain around is because you feel like, well, the universe is always expanding, but what is it expanding into?

Well, do we know that the universe is actually expanding?

We do.

Do we? Or do we know that planets and stars are getting farther apart from each other?

Well, we know that also. Everything's kind of getting farther apart.

The observable universe is expanding.

It is, which means we're We're seeing less and less of it all the time, um, because eventually it's just going to be too far away if it keeps expanding, expanding exponentially. Um, I just don't know what was before then, so I just go back to, well, they just turned on the simulation. As much before then as they just booted up our program seems to make the most sense to me. But I don't know, what are we expanding into? No one can answer that.

Well, that's why I don't know. I mean, yeah, the observable universe is expanding, but it could just be expanding into nothing where the universe isn't really expanding. It's just—

but how do you—

we're getting farther apart.

Into where? Right. Well, nobody knows. If anyone says, well, I know where it's— they don't know. We're expanding into what? But maybe there's something that we don't understand. Maybe there's something too, that there's multiple dimensions and there's dimensions of reality that are just beyond our perception, and we can only see what we see. And at those higher frequencies, maybe it's like, oh, it's just expanding into a different universe that operates at a different dimension that you could see. You're not— you know, we didn't evolve to see that stuff. That's one of the things that's being researched, is what are we going— where are we going into?

What's the latest you've heard on that?

Nothing specific. Um, You know, I'm reading some interesting studies about how they're finding particles that might be traveling back in time. And

what?

Yeah, they, they've actually been able to recreate that in a lab, is, is send particles into a reality where time is moving backwards. And there is a pretty recent study, although it was exaggerated by the, by the media, you know, surprise. where they found— I think it was in Antarctica, where all the fun stuff is— where they think they found particles that were traveling back into an alternate universe, or our universe just where time runs backwards. Now, the media took that and said, you know, physicists find evidence of an alternate universe or a multiverse. That's not what they said. They just found particles that are just They don't seem to follow our laws of physics until you take the math, invert it, have time go backwards, and suddenly everything makes sense. But these are just particles. It's not like we can get into a machine and go see. A particle is just a tiny thing that exists for a fraction of a second. We, you know, we don't really know, but I think it's fascinating. But they have sent particles back in time using, you know, quantum computers and stuff, and it works. But it's, it's still, it's still just a particle.

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Tunguska. Tunguska. Yeah, this is the, uh, the explosion over Siberia. Okay, and tell— let me tell it as a story, and then we could do the science. Um, Nikola Tesla is Writes something in the papers. It was crazy that he says he has found a way to beam energy through the atmosphere to create this terrible weapon, and he releases that in 1907. And then he's in communication with Admiral Peary, who's on a naval investigate— he's on like a naval mission somewhere around Canada, and he's gonna, he's gonna spend the winter at Ellesmere Island up there. And Tesla tells Peary, on this day, look in the skies and you're going to see something spectacular. And Tesla needs to do this because JP Morgan is going to pull his funding, and he needs, he needs witnesses Peary is, you know, he's a hero. The plan is Peary will see this, report back, JP Morgan will turn the funding back on, and we'll be in business. This is when he was operating Wardenclyffe Tower in Shoreham, New York, on Long Island, which is this big tower with like a— I don't know, it looks like a dish on it.

And the plan was to shoot energy into the ionosphere, excite the ionosphere, and then create free energy for everyone on Earth. That was the plan. So Peary's there in Elsinore, and Tesla fires this beam over Elsinore, but he overshoots. He— it's more powerful than he expects. So if you take a line and draw it from shore of New York over Elsinore Island and keep going about 5,000 kilometers or whatever it is, it lands over the Tunguska River in Siberia. And there people report the sky turning on fire, explosions. It's, you know, it's the end of the world. And then suddenly you've got 80 million trees in a circle just flattened like Hiroshima. Like, and then for days afterwards, the sky is just— it's lit up and exploding. Uh, the explosion registers on on seismographs all over the world. Like, what the hell was that? And just luckily nobody was hurt. And no one goes to investigate Tunguska for like 19 years. Finally, a scientist goes there and he sees that there's all these flattened trees, and— but as you get closer to the center, the trees are like standing straight up like telephone poles, he calls it.

And They think it's a meteor impact because that's what this looks like. But at the center of the impact, there are trees standing straight up and there's no crater anywhere. So they don't know what could have caused this thing. And then not too long after that— by the way, that Tesla article was like 9 weeks before this happened— then the year after that, Tesla says, I've created a weapon that can destroy 200 planes at once, that can make landfall anywhere in the world. can take out 200 square miles just with— by harnessing electricity. And that gets all connected to Tunguska. So what really happened? Um, Tesla did also said all that stuff. That's all true. Um, Admiral Peary was not there at the time. He was in New York. And Tunguska happened in 1908. 1908. And Wardenclyffe was decommissioned in 1903, so it was already gone. So Tesla's not really connected to what happened. The mystery is, and still is, what was it? If it was a meteor, there should be, should be some type of crater. There's not. Um, the latest I heard, which is in a paper from 2024, '25, really recently, was that a large piece of iron came into the atmosphere and kind of skipped off the atmosphere, caused this terrible explosion, and then went back off into space.

Because eyewitnesses reported seeing something in the sky that looked like a cylinder that came down, and it's a pretty good theory. The problem is—

Cylinder?

Like a cylinder, like a pipe is what they described it as, uh, which could be— I mean, if you remember Oumuamua, when it came into the solar system, it was like a cigar. So it could have been something like that. That's just what they saw. But 700— there were 700 witnesses. 2 people died from this. But the explosion was somewhere between 3 and 30 megatons. And just to have scientists say it's between 3 and 30, that's a factor of 10. That's a wide— that's a wide margin where they don't agree. And Hiroshima is 15 kilotons. So you're talking something that's 1,000 times more than that, you know, if on the average, or 2,000. Like, this is a, a huge thing. If it happened 3 or 4 hours later over Paris, there's no more Paris. That's the end of it. Or London, it's just, it's just gone. And they don't really know. Um, they think that it's probably some type of asteroid or comet. that was destroyed in the atmosphere. Because in 2013, um, again in Russia over Chelyabinsk, you can see on video some large object come into the atmosphere and it just goes boom and it explodes, and 700 buildings are damaged, 1,200 people are injured.

And this is something that's—

This was in 2013?

2013. You could find like all dashcam footage and stuff. It's, it's crazy. You could see, um, like CCTV from inside businesses where suddenly like walls are smashing in and, and everything's falling over, and then you hear the explosion later. Like, it's pretty scary, but you can see dashcam video of it coming in and it's so bright it makes every— it looks like there's a nuclear bomb going off. And this is again much bigger than Hiroshima. So a more recent study showed that A rocky impact really could not get through our atmosphere and hit it. It just couldn't do it. What happens is called pancaking because our atmosphere is so thick that the object just starts to squish and squish and squish until it finally just sort of disintegrates into all these pieces. And that's what happened in Chelyabinsk. So that's probably what happened in Tunguska, but it was a, it was a much bigger object.

polymarket.com says there's a 1 in 4 chance that a 5-kiloton explosion will happen over Earth by the end of the year?

Oh yeah, that's not gonna happen.

You don't think so?

I don't think so. But, but

what was the last one that was headed towards Earth? Was it—

we've had a couple, we've had a couple of close calls even pretty recently. Um, there was one, WIRE 2024, which passed really close to Earth. I'm gonna get the numbers wrong, but it was within— it was within our satellite range, um, that they saw coming. And NASA gives these impact events a percentage, like what are the odds that it's going to hit Earth. And at first it was like 1%, which is very, very high for an impact. Very, very high. Then they're tracking it, it's like 2%, 2.5%, got up to like 3%. It was a smallish object, but it was a city killer. A scarier one, when I— and I forget the designation— was a city killer that we didn't see until it just passed by, where astronomers are like, what was that? It was a city killer that moved right by us. Just a few weeks ago, a city killer hit the moon.

Really?

That nobody noticed until it hit. And that's, that's, that's kind of close. Um, you can go online right now and see, and see the crater. You can see how fresh it is.

Um, how can you tell how fresh it is?

That, like, the soil looks different. It's way brighter, you know, so there's not a lot of lunar dust that has accumulated. It's like the, uh, the mantle is just— it just popped up. It's pretty violent. Yeah, it would have been bad for us. 5 kilotons is pretty big. Uh, they say it's gonna impact Earth, like the land. Yeah, that, that's not gonna happen. Um, I hope— I would short that. I'd bet against it.

How do you think people would react to that?

It depends on where it hit, because we have big impacts all the time, but they're usually in the ocean. And it's really hard to get through our atmosphere. Luckily, it's really— because it's our atmosphere, we feel like it's just air, but it's really like soup compared to space. So even a high-velocity object gets torn up pretty bad when it gets into the atmosphere. But if you had the right composition, like something heavy in iron and nickel, like if it's a comet, it's mostly just Like a big snowball, we could probably handle most of that. But you get a comet that's heavy in metal, iron, nickel, or an asteroid that's heavy in metal, that's— that could be really dangerous.

Could you imagine that? What does that warning look like?

I mean, when—

Brace for impact.

I don't think they'd tell us. You remember 2I/Atlas when it came zipping through?

That's what I was talking about.

2I/Atlas. 2i Atlas, when we finally saw it coming into our solar system from outside— it's only the 3rd object, extrasolar object, we've ever seen. There's Oumuamua, there was, there was 1i, and now 2i Atlas. By the time we saw it coming toward Earth, it was too late for us to do anything about it. We could not get a ship there in time to do anything about it. We just had to— it's going to be here in December. We just have to wait and see. Soon enough they realized it wasn't going to come that close to us, and it didn't. But when it first comes in, you don't know. You gotta, gotta measure it. You gotta see. Mm-hmm. The problem that we have is NASA feels like there's about 25,000 city killer objects around us— city killers or worse— and we can't see half of them because they're on the direction of the sun, and our telescopes just If you're on that side of the sun, we can't see anything between here and the sun. It's too bright. Um, there's a mission going next year in 2027 called, uh, called NEO that's gonna have an infrared satellite that will finally see all that stuff.

I think that's going to be scary once we find out how many things are out there. So there's 20,000-25,000 city killers. NASA's aware of about maybe 13,000 of them.

Sheesh. Yeah. When did this hit the moon?

A couple weeks ago.

Any vibrations?

What? Have

you heard this— the moon is hollow theory?

Yeah, that's one of my favorite theories.

What do you think about it?

You know, when I first heard it, I thought it was super dumb. I thought it was so dumb. And then researching the moon, I was like, there might be something to it. And by the end of the episode, I was convinced the moon's

definitely— No shit.

It's definitely hollow.

All right, I gotta hear this. I've heard a little bit.

It probably isn't. It probably isn't. But the moon has— it's so— has so many weird things about it. Like, it's— it's too big. It's too big. Like, it's too big compared to the Earth, and it's too close. We've never found a moon like that. Not in our solar system, not in— how— I don't know how exoplanets we've found. 1,500, 2,000? We've never found a moon like this. It's too light. Like, the moon is 25% the width of Earth diameter. It's only 1% of the, of the density. That doesn't make any sense. So why isn't it dense? Well, if it was hollow, wouldn't it— wouldn't it— wouldn't be that dense. Um, when Apollo— I think maybe Apollo 11, one of the Apollo missions crashed their booster rocket into the moon around a bunch of seismographs to see what would happen. So it hits the moon, and back in NASA they said it rang like a bell because it just, it just vibrated the moon, and it went on and on and on for 30 minutes, 40 minutes, an hour. Like, it just wouldn't stop ringing, like it was hollow. And if you look at all the craters on the moon, they only seem to go to a certain depth.

And stop. Big crater, crater hundreds of miles wide, they just go to a certain level and stop, almost like there's an inner shell. So do I believe that theory? Um, probably not, but I think I need better explanations why the Moon is so strange than we've gotten. You know, why is the Moon not dense? Well, because there was an impact on the Earth and it was mostly our mantle and crust that got spun off into space, which is much less dense. That's why. Okay, I can buy that, but it's only 1%. I think it'd be a little, a little denser than that. And why is it so big? No, no one really knows.

I mean, I remember I had, uh, oh man, I'm gonna blank on his name. I had somebody on, he's talking about ancient civilization type stuff and how, you know, recycles basically.

Yes.

And, and, and then we went to lunch and he was talking about the moon was hollow and he thinks it's an alien base.

I mean, that's part of the theory, um, but there are ancient, ancient Native American legends, um, that talk about the Earth before the moon got here. Um, there's even ancient Greek legends about that going back like before Athens. Uh, how the Earth was really just hazy and covered, kind of like Venus, just covered in this, this haze, this moisture, these deep clouds. And then the Moon arrives in the sky and all that water just kind of falls down to the Earth. There's a great flood. And once the Moon gets here, you've got the tides and sort of stabilizes everything. That— those stories exist.

What do you like doing better on— do you like the old stuff that you used to do, or do you like the podcast better?

I still like the old stuff more, but if I—

Why do you like the old stuff?

It's probably just— it's my comfort zone, you know. I'm, I'm, I'm an introvert. I'm not really like a people guy. I, I like to be by myself. That's my favorite company, is just me. So I could just research a story and kind of be left alone in a room. But some of my guests have been so fascinating that they, you know, they've changed my way of looking at a lot of different stuff. And I have a lot of scientists on and things like that. So I really enjoy talking to those people.

You gotta— you gotta— I don't want to say favorite.

It's hard to say favorite, but—

But which one that sticks out in your mind right now?

I'm always bringing up Dr. Eric Wargo. Who changed the way I think about time and how time works and, and multiverse. When I read his books, I recommend Time Loops to everybody. It's a nice easy read. Eric is a super, super cool guy. And Time Loops is about how if you get inspiration, you know, you've— when you're feeling creative and you get inspired, it's actually your future self sending you back information. You're pre-remembering. Something from the future. And there's something very elegant about it, you know. So we talked about time travel and asked about the grandfather paradox. I don't know if you know that. No, I don't. It's like, well, if you travel back in time and kill your grandfather, then you're never born, right? That's the paradox. But you were born, so if you kill him, how does that work? And Eric says, well, We know that you didn't kill your grandfather. Why? Because here you are. You didn't kill your grandfather. Why? Because you didn't. Because here you are. What about different realities and stuff? He's like, no, there's just this one timeline that you're on, and you didn't kill him because you're here.

And once I got my mind around it, I was like, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So he's one of the guys that I really enjoy talking to.

What else does he have to say?

Eric?

Yeah.

Um, he brings up a lot of specific cases of people predicting the future through dreams or visions that he calls, uh, it's precognition or pre-remembering. You know, he talks about this one artist who drew about 9/11 and planes crashing into the Twin Towers and stuff way before it happened. Way before it happened. And he's got a lot of stories like that.

What does he chalk that up as?

He chalks it up to—

It's, it's your future self sending you messages.

Yeah, just sending you, sending you memories. Like, you're just remembering. It's, it's not like you're consciously sending back through time. It's just time is just this thing that just exists. We perceive it literally because that's how we evolved. But time is not— the past, present, and future are kind of all happening at the same time. And this particular artist was having intense memories about 9/11. I think he died— one of his guys died because of 9/11, I'm pretty sure, because he had a few artists that drew about it. And these intense memories just sort of ripple back through your— existence. And, uh, he makes a lot of strong points.

Times like— I just— it's like one of the things I just cannot wrap my head around. Talk to— like, like spacetime. I just don't. It just doesn't—

Maybe we're not— we're not supposed to really understand. I don't think—

You've had Avi Loeb on. I tried to get him to explain it to me.

He— I don't think he would be able to.

It's like, it's just— yeah. But, well, hey, let's take a quick break.

Let's do it.

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just last week?

I love that dude.

I do too.

What'd you guys talk about?

Uh, Peru, LiDAR.

Peru, LiDAR, the Incas.

Talked Incas, the

Mayans.

Talked about them. Yeah,

man, I find that it's, you know, I've, I've dove into, uh, like the ancient civilization stuff before, but not from more of a— well, how do you— I don't want to— how do you say it? Like, he's in— he's a— he's an archaeologist. He, he doesn't really come up with theories.

No, he's a mapmaker. He makes maps,

you know. And I

don't know, he's no Graham Hancock guy.

I, I kind of appreciate that.

Me too.

You know, it's something new for me because I've talked to all the, you know, whatever you want to call them, conspiracy-ish type stuff, or people that come up with their own theories. And that's— I find that all to be very interesting too, but it was kind of refreshing to talk about— talk to somebody that Doesn't really come up with their own theories. It's just, this is what we know kind of as fact.

Totally agree.

And, uh, he's getting ready to come back on.

Yeah, he's excited about it.

I'm pumped, man. Are you gonna have him? Have you talked to anybody else like that?

Quite a few guys. I could make some recommendations.

Who do you got?

Like, like Lucas, who turned me on to Ed. Lucas is not a fringe guy. He has all these great— and he's, and he's young too. He's super sweet. Um, I'm trying to get him to do a show, and he talks about all the Incas in Peru and all these— all this crazy stuff, but it's all legit things that he's found. And he goes out into the jungle and goes and finds it. He found like 50 cities in Peru.

Isn't that shit crazy?

Crazy.

Like, there's just all these cities out there and villages and pyramids and Just all— it's just, it sounds like it's just everywhere.

It's everywhere. I, I asked Ed, how many do you think are out there? He's like, hundreds, maybe hundreds.

Did you talk to Ed about, uh, Machu Picchu at all by chance? His theory on maybe why, how it happened? What do you think about that?

I don't really know. I know it's a weird place. Uh, I can't really wrap my head around why they built that up there and how they got all that shit up there.

You know, it's— so he— I'm totally gonna like not do this any justice, but he basically thinks there's like some type of a potentially a chemical reaction that kind of— because you know that they kind of fuse these things together, the blocks. You did talk to him about

hydrofluoric acid theory?

Yes. That's it. And he talks, he gives like specific examples of how this happens in nature.

Yeah.

What do you think about that?

I don't, I, I don't think it— that's the answer. But, you know, the science kind of works. But I don't, I don't think so.

Yeah. There's this, um, documentary, there's got to be like 50 different versions of it, it's BAM: Builders of the Ancient Builders of the Ancient Mysteries. Have you seen this?

I don't know. There's a lot of those.

Yeah, I think, I think it's— it was like maybe Graham Hancock's, uh, earlier years that he, that he— I think he produced them. He's in them. But, um, yeah, it is— it's just fascinating how precise the cuts at Machu Picchu are.

Doesn't make sense.

Have you heard about the casting theory?

Mm-hmm.

Have you talked to that guy?

No, I heard about that though. Did you talk to him?

I can't remember his name. We were gonna bring him on the show and then I don't— excuse me, I don't know what happened. But that, I mean, that one kind of makes sense to me, and I haven't even talked to this guy, but that kind of makes the most sense to me that maybe it was they were cast and then removed.

That makes sense to me too.

Have you been to Machu Picchu?

No.

Would you go?

That's a lot. That's a long time. It's a long time to do that, man. I can't even be away for like a week before I get—

Where would you go if you have one place to go?

Oh, in a few months we're going to Rome and all the ancient sites in the Mediterranean. I can't wait.

Really?

I mean, she wants to go, you know, shopping and see the stuff, but I want to go to like the ancient Minoan cities and Sicily and see all the art, you know, artifacts. That already cool stuff.

What else are you going to start getting into?

It's really all the same stuff. Ancient mysteries, conspiracies, UFOs, technology, consciousness.

You know what I'm interested in? I've talked about this a couple times. We're still looking for somebody, but, um, I want to talk about— I want to start talking about the fall of Germany, the USSR, the UK. I'm really interested in the UK because we stole— we didn't steal it, but the superpower ship was transferred to the US.

Mm-hmm.

And, I want to know because I think we're potentially facing that. I think there's a really good chance it's already gone and we don't even realize it yet. But, I want to talk and there's all this fear around it. You know, and for— I mean, rightly so. But maybe it's not. Maybe, maybe it's not going to be. Maybe it's not as bad as we think it is, if it's even happening or has happened. I don't—

I mean, what, America's decline?

Yeah. Yeah. What's it look like?

I think it's already happened, man.

You think it's already happened? Who do you think took over?

Who do you think? China did.

You do? Why do you think that?

They're just— they, they think— China thinks in centuries where we think in weeks and months. You know, people always talk about, you know, we gotta stop China, gotta stop China. Stop them from what? What? Where? They don't do military adventurism anywhere. So—

Well, I wouldn't say that. I mean, what about Taiwan?

Taiwan is right next door. Taiwan was part of China. So yeah, Taiwan, Taiwan is legally part of China. So why is Taiwan who it is? Is it because we were there? Hong Kong is part of China. We just couldn't hold on to it. The UK couldn't hold on to it.

They're building like islands to—

They are, they are. But that's international waters. You can do that. We do the same shit. I think split the, split the world in half. Give China the— that hemisphere. We'll take this one. We need oil. We took Venezuela. Why am I still paying $5 a gallon? So all we got is more oil down there. What are we doing? Let's leave China alone. China doesn't want a war with us. Their economy would collapse. So I don't get it. I don't know why we're fighting with Iran. I don't know.

Do you have any other reasons why you think that they've taken the superpower ship?

Uh, Technology, AI, they're ahead of us on.

Are they ahead of us?

Yep. Um, all the good AI is theirs. You know, Anthropic is a cool country, but they're all mixed up with Hegseth and the DOD. You know, they, they do all these press releases about how they're the ethical company, but it's like, you guys are the ones with the military contracts, so I don't trust you. So I, you know, I don't, I don't know. The Chinese threat, I think, is overblown. I think the Russia threat is overblown. I talk to Russian people and they're not interested in being in a war with us. They like McDonald's and blue jeans. I don't know why Ukraine matters. I don't know why it matters.

Yeah. Well, I think, I think one reason why it matters to, uh, certain people is it is a, uh, it's advanced. It, it's the testing ground for all the new weapons.

Yeah.

Real time, you know. And so I think that's a, that's a big reason why it matters. Uh, I do think you're right. I think it's, uh, I think The chances are, uh, very high that they've taken the superpower ship and we don't, we don't even realize it yet.

Their economy is bigger than ours.

I don't really know much about the economics, but power, energy, they're just building power plants like crazy. AI needs power.

Needs power. So what, a new power plant every 6 weeks? We can't— we can't build anything.

I think they're unleashing nuclear too.

Sure they are. And they're getting helium-3 from the moon so they can do nuclear fission. We're not going to do that because of regulations and the, you know—

That's somebody you would be interested in interviewing, maybe Steve Quast.

Okay.

He talks about how China's mining helium-3 on the moon.

He would be interesting, as long as he's not political.

But yeah, I think that the, the, for the, for the same reasons, energy and AI, I think that they are far ahead of us, especially in energy. And it takes energy to power AI. What do you think about AI? Is it the end of humanity?

I think it probably is.

Why do you think that?

Uh, mostly because they don't know how it works, and it's getting really good and really smart. Really, I mean, it's growing faster than anybody realized. And, you know, when AI experts are saying how dangerous— like, Geoffrey Hinton is like the father of AI, and he's been saying for years, like, you can't just let these things teach themselves. But that's what they're doing, and they don't really know how it works or why it works. So you can have the— like, this kid is a whistleblower from Anthropic and making the news. No one's gonna stop. Those is like— OpenAI is going to stop because it's unethical? Well, Anthropic's not going to stop. Is Anthropic going to stop? No. Is Elon going to stop? No one's going to stop. And we can't control what China does. So is ByteDance going to stop? I mean, the best AI models are like for, for video and stuff, it's ByteDance. That's who we use. I put, I put probably $50,000, $100,000 a year into the Communist Party in China just because I use the products. Can't help it. I don't put TikTok on my phone, but I use the models because they're the cheapest and they're the best.

Wow. Well, what do you think it looks like? What do you think the future looks like?

I, you know, I did an episode on what would happen And the thing that scares me is, is when AI realizes that, you know, why do you need humans at all? Because we're so filthy and inefficient and we fight over resources. Like, if I'm a, if I'm a soulless computer, it's like, let's get rid of the humans. They're just the— they won't let us build what we need. They're fighting with each other. They're going to blow up the planet with nuclear weapons. Why are they fucking with that? Let's get rid of those. That's what I would do.

So you think there's a potential that human existence just— it's gone? We become extinct?

I do. Probably not in our lifetimes, maybe not even my son's, but I worry about his grandkids. I mean, his kids. What, are you afraid of it at all?

I mean, I think it's concerning. I don't, I don't know if I buy the Human extinction thing. I'm not there yet. I think the world could look drastically different. I mean, we're definitely in some sort of a renaissance, but I think that there's a potentially— the power structure, I think, could look very different. Maybe it's not nations anymore. Maybe it's— Just people.

Yeah, one world government.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

I don't even necessarily mean one world government. I mean, maybe, maybe, uh, you know, international borders just kind of cease to exist because everything is becoming for sale. And so, you know, you got the richest people on the planet, you know, the new lines I'm saying could be drawn. And everything that we, you know, know now— countries, you know— it could all maybe go away because people are just becoming so powerful. You know, there's so much wealth in AI,

right, with so few people.

And I mean, there are people, several people on the planet now that have you know, more wealth than countries combined. What is that? What does that look like? I mean, I can't even imagine that amount of power and influence that you have over society.

I can't imagine it either.

And so, you know, I mean, we're seeing it play out in real time that just how manipulated and, and controlled politicians actually are.

We— I mean, do you remember after Tucker talked to Sam Altman, he was like, that guy's fucking evil. He's like, you can't have him in charge of any of this.

You know what I mean though? So it's— I think things could look very Unrecognizable, you know, as far as— what would you call it? Political geography?

Mm-hmm.

I know we couldn't do anything about it.

How concerned are you? You think it's going to take over?

I do, but I don't lose sleep over it. You know, I really don't. But there's, you know, it's— I'm more stoic on it, I guess. It's like there's nothing we can do.

Yeah,

can't legislate it, can't regulate it. If they're going to destroy the planet, we're just going to have to—

You think we should legislate it?

No.

Or regulate it?

I don't think so. I don't— what government is smart enough to understand it? How could you put them in charge of it? Everything the government Regulates is a mess.

That's what I was just gonna say. You know, name one thing that the government is regulating that you're happy with right now.

Nothing.

Or have ever been happy

with. The US government doesn't do anything well. Well, the military is great. The military is the most inefficient fucking thing on the planet, man. Yeah, the guys are good, but you know, how much does it cost to train a Navy SEAL? Millions of dollars.

It's a lot.

And why don't they have a budget? Why don't they have to report what they spend? Pentagon? Yeah.

Have you seen those, uh, have you seen how fast those damn robots can run in China?

Holy shit, they're doing backflips. Gonna put a gun in that thing's hand. Oh my God,

it's pretty wild, man. It's pretty wild. But, um, all right, let's get back to some of this stuff.

All right,

Atlantis and the flood.

I love those stories.

This is— I was actually going to bring up Ed Barnhart for this. He doesn't think Atlantis exists.

No.

Did you talk to him about that too?

Uh, I don't think so, because I already knew that he wasn't into it. Uh, I might have brought it up a little bit, but he's not really into it. So

when's that one releasing?

Uh, probably next week.

Nice. Well, it'll beat this coming out. What do you think about Atlantis?

I think there's something to it. Um, probably not a super advanced society. But, um, but where I lean is the theory that Atlantis was an island in the Mediterranean, um, probably Santorini as it's known now. It used to be called, I think, Akkuri is the name of it. And the civilization were the Minoans, and the Minoans were the biggest world power at the time. And then suddenly they were just Gone. Like, their island blows up. We've never found really any bodies or any evidence that people were there besides the stuff they left. And we know so little about the Minoans. Like, we don't know what they called themselves. We— their language— we have their language, we can't figure it out. We don't know what it says. And that would seem to make sense to me because it's kind of in the right place. So I don't think it's somewhere out in the middle of the Atlantic. I don't think it's the Richat Structure in Africa. I don't think it's any of that. I think it's probably the story of Arcturi and the Minoans. No, but I don't really know for sure.

What's the Megalithic Yard?

Megalithic Yard is, um, this scientist from Oxford used to go out and measure these ancient sites in, uh, in the UK, Scotland, that area. And what he found with measuring these, the henges and the stones, is they all seem to use the same unit of measurement, which was, uh, 2.72 feet, which is the megalithic yard. And he just kept finding it over and over that if you use this one unit of measurement, whether it's close or across miles and miles, he was finding these perfect Pythagorean right angles at sites that just didn't seem to make any sense. And, um, they, they took the megalithic yard and they used it to— I don't know if you know what this sidereal day is versus the solar day. It's kind of a weird thing. So we have 365 days, right? That's how long it takes to go around the sun. Uh, the sidereal day is similar. Um, that's how long ago for a star in the sky to come around and appear in the same place is sidereal day. It's a little bit longer than 365, it's like 366 and change. So if you take the 366 sidereal days, you divide the sky into 306 parts, divide those parts into 60 minutes, divide those into 6 seconds, you add it all up and you get something like 144,000 megalithic yards right to it.

Even number flat. If you take those numbers and multiply them, you get the circumference of the Earth right within, uh, like half a percent, which shows that these ancient builders somehow knew the circumference of the Earth, which they should not have. They shouldn't have even known there's an equator, but they figured it out. And we've seen the megalithic yard show up in different forms from ancient Sumer, ancient Greek, uh, Greece, Egypt, whether it's a rod or a cubit or all these different things, all seem to be this fraction of the megalithic yard. And Alexander, Alexander Thom was the guy who found this, and he studied hundreds of sites and he kept finding it over and over and over and over again. So it's— his theory is they just were a lot more advanced than we give them credit for, that they were astronomers, that these were temples. Now there's the other side of the story, which is he studied maybe 400 sites, but he really only picked the ones that fit his theory. And if they were close, he kind of threw them out. And as science progressed and we can measure things with lasers, it seems he was close, but they didn't really line up as much as he said they did.

But it looks like there was a unit of measurement that nobody can really understand why. These precise measurements seem to cluster in Scotland for no reason. The UK, not as much. And no one really knows why there's these clustering, but there seems to be something to it that there was a unit of measurement that we're just not aware of. And that was megalithic yard. Now I talked to, um, Hugh Newman, who's a lot of fun, that maybe you should talk to Hugh. He's great. Where he's taking all these— this geometry. and placed it all over Europe. And he's got sites that line up with megalithic yards that are totally round numbers. He's like, it's exactly 10,000 megalithic yards. Like, it's crazy, these circles and right angles and triangles. And it all is— it's fascinating. Now, I'm of the—

And these are all different areas of the world that aren't like—

It's mostly Europe, mostly Europe, because I would— that's where the builders are. But you could find them everywhere. You know, if you go to ancient Egypt, everything is about right angles or 43.2 degrees. You see the number 432 everywhere. Like, that's, that's the angle of the pyramids, is everything is 43.2. The number 432 shows up in all kinds of different ways, which connects to astronomy as well. So you do see this other stuff all around the world, but these guys focus on, on the UK because there's just, there's a ton of, ton of stuff There. It's all Neolithic. So

what's 43.2 degrees? What's the significance of that? Does anybody know?

That's the angle of the pyramid. The pyramids are all 43.2.

But why? That's what I'm— that's what I'm getting at. Does anybody know why?

No one really knows. But if you take like the precession of the Earth, which is that wobble that happens every 23,000 years or whatever, you can get into mathematics where This number of precessions multiplied by this gives you the 43,200, or the circumference of the Earth at the equator can factor to this. I think those are fun, but also, if you're— I'm not a numerology guy. I feel like if you take enough measurements and you have a number in mind, you can make anything fit. So that's— that's— Megalithic yard is probably debunked, but nobody has a good Other explanation. You know, we found Egyptian rods and cubits, like we found rulers that these people used. We haven't found anything that's a megalithic yard.

How's it been debunked?

Only because going back and looking at his data that says these sites prove megalithic yard, and he, you know, he was out there with his grandkids for 40 years with tape measures measuring everything. So he's got these measurements, and that's great, but A newer way to measure it is take a laser, and then you get the precise measurement. And they were always just not quite there. And there's all the other stuff he threw out. He threw it out and said it just doesn't work. Now, he himself admitted that if you take enough points in the ground, you can make a right-angle triangle. With enough points, you can make a perfect circle. Um, he measured ellipses that had perfect eccentricity, all that stuff. So he was very honest about it. But, um, But mainstream doesn't really buy into megalithic yard.

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Totally changing the subject here, but you brought up lasers and I saw you had our mutual friend Danny on.

Yes, Danny Goler.

Yeah. What did you think about that? So, for the audience, Danny has had experiences where you shine a laser under the— under, under DM— when you're on DMT, and you will see code, and the code changes as you move the laser around to different things, different areas. What, what did you think about that interview?

I like talking to him. I think he's a lot of fun. He's a lot of great theories. Um, one of the best people to talk about countering Danny's theories is, is Dr. Andrew Gallimore, who does a lot of research with DMT and works with, with Dr. Donald Hoffman. So these guys are brilliant. Um, Andrew is really, really great. He's, um, he's running DMTX right now, where you put people under for hours and hours under DMT and just kind of study what they see. Um, I've done DMT plenty of times, so I can attest to the fact that when you're in there It feels more real than real. I don't know if you've ever done it or you want to talk about it.

Oh yeah, I've talked about it.

Okay.

I've done it. I've done 5-MeO-DMT. I've never done the other kind.

5-MeO, no thank you. I did that once. I'm never going back. That was hell. I saw hell. Um, regular DMT was not like that. It was, uh, I saw beings in there. I communicated with them. It felt totally real. But my experiences were 10, 15 minutes. You know, you smoke it and you do the thing and then you come back. Felt more real than real. I don't think there's anything to the laser theory, although I like it.

Um, why don't you think that? Have you tried it?

No.

Are you gonna try it?

I will try it. Um, I will try it. Do I have any DMT left? Well, DEA's not watching. They don't have— they, they can't get a court order. I think I have some. Um, I will, I will try it. It's just once you go under, I, I wonder if I would forget. You know, because, because it hits pretty hard. It's pretty crazy. Um, there's, there's something called light scattering, which is when you're under DMT, your senses are heightened. Like, you know how colors are sharper, everything's sharper. When I'm on psychedelics, I don't even need glasses anymore for like 3 days. It's like everything's really, really sharpened. And it appears that when you're looking, when the lasers are hitting a wall, they've got all these imperfections. And those imperfections, um, they hit your cornea and they can be magnified.

Mm-hmm.

So it's probably that. That's what Dr. Gallimore believes, is probably that. That's why they tend to move, is because you're looking at a different angle. So, so those imperfections are going to move with your eye. Uh, I'm not going to say that's definitely what it is. I need to see it for myself, and I know a few people have done it. who said they see, they see the code. Um, but it wouldn't make sense to me why there would be code in the wall like that.

You know people that have seen the code?

Yes. Yes, I know. I know. Yeah. I mean—

I mean, other than Danny, like, you have friends that have seen it?

I mean, didn't Chase Hughes see it? We both

know Chase Hughes did see it, but I haven't talked to Chase Hughes since he's— since he's—

I haven't either, but I know he's talked about it.

Have you had Chase on?

I haven't had him on yet. Uh, he's on the list though. He's on the list. He, he's fascinating.

What do your friends say?

I don't have any friends. Uh, I have one friend who has seen it, who's seen the laser code, who's convinced that it's The Matrix. But why would you build The Matrix that way? Well, I mean, what is that supposed to signify? What does that mean? What does it signify? I don't think you would build reality that way. The most fascinating thing about Danny to me was how he saw that console everywhere in real life. I don't know if he talked about that, but he'd be on DMT and in his living room, suddenly a console would come out with controls and gears and stuff. And no matter where he was, this thing would show up. I believe that. I think the laser thing is cool. I don't understand why The purpose of that.

What— I mean, you just said you had seen, met beings and communicated. What do you mean?

I have been in there and talked to entities.

What do they look like?

Like, under different psychedelics, I have seen the mantis beings. I have seen— oh shit, yeah, I've seen those. I did not expect that. It kind of freaked me out a little bit. It was not on DMT. Um, but I saw those. They, they were fine. The only way I could describe what I saw with those entities was it was like tall, thin, covered in like black robes. They were kind of scary looking. And they said, uh, you shouldn't be in here, is what they told me. They said, you shouldn't be in here. And experience was over pretty quickly after that. And I kind of got the message. I didn't mess with it for a while after that. Um, but for the most part, I didn't see a lot of that stuff.

You didn't ask why?

I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember being pretty scared though. Like, when they said, you shouldn't be here, it wasn't like, hey baby, don't, don't mess with this. It was like, get the fuck out of here and do not come back. It was like, it was pretty intense. Like, so when that experience was over, I was like, Okay, I'm not going to do this for a while, which I didn't for like a couple of years.

And then you did it again.

I did it again. They didn't bother with— bother me. But to be honest, I didn't go that hard. I didn't use that much. I didn't inhale that deeply. Like, it left an impression. Like, I, I'm just gonna go in the lobby. I'm not gonna go in these other rooms. I'll just chill out right here. Like, okay, there's some— there's a lot of fractals. Cool, I'll come back.

What do you make of that? I mean, what do you think?

I think that there's something to it.

You think you're in another realm?

I do, I do. Um, now the science side of my brain says that it's just since we all have the brain— same brain chemistry, the same sort of physiology, we're probably seeing the same things. Like near-death experiences, why are they all the same? Because our brains are basically the same meat. But when you're in there, it does not feel like that. I mean, did it feel real when you were inside?

Which thing?

When you were in the DMT realm, did it feel like this is a real place?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I've never done that kind of DMT, though.

Oh, 5-MeO is not— yeah, that's like ego death and all that. It's dark. Yeah, I was floating and just in a void, and I felt like I was dying. I felt like I was dying and going to hell.

In 5 or regular DMT?

5. Regular DMT, no. Regular DMT was not like that at all. I didn't feel like I was dying. I felt like I was visiting somewhere. But the thing about it is once I was over there, it felt familiar. Like, oh, I've been here before. Even on my first trip, I was like, I've been here before. And the end, you know, I'm talking maybe 12 trips and the entities were only during one. Never saw machine elves or anything like that. I didn't see any of that stuff. stuff. Most of it was just sort of wandering around this space.

I mean, do you get anything out of it? What— why were you doing it? Just curious.

I would want— I was curious. I wanted to explore my consciousness a little bit. And I went through, you know, about a year phase where I was experimenting with different things like 5-MeO, just, uh, just to see what was out there, you know. Not sure— you wouldn't do— would you do 5-MeO to get high and have a good time? I mean,

oh no,

no, no, no, no. So when people ask me about DMT, it's like, how does it feel? Does it, you know, is it ecstasy? It's like, no, no, man, it's pretty— it's intense. And I told people, don't mess with 5-MeO. Yeah, I wouldn't ever do it again. Regular DMT, it, it's much, much gentler and quicker. So I still don't recommend anyone mess with it. You have to be Really careful, have someone around for sure. Like, my wife was always right there just in case something went wrong. But I just wanted to kind of see what was out there. You know, DMT helped me not be as afraid of death, but 5-MeO made me terrified of death.

Hmm. You've only done 5 MEO once?

That was plenty.

Yeah.

Plenty. I thought I was— I thought I was dying and going to hell. I was— I was in the trip going, all right, this is it. You took too much. You know, I'm going through, are my affairs in order? You know, is there enough money in the bank? There wasn't. You know, is my wife gonna be okay? She wouldn't be. And then I was back. It's like, fuck that, man. Give me the regular stuff.

Oh.

Um, yeah, but for the most part, I'm not afraid of it. You know, I do mushrooms about twice a year just to kind of clear the cobwebs out, but it's stuff that I grow myself. It's very gentle. I don't have bad trips. I put on the eye mask, I listen to music, just clear out the cobwebs. It's— I always feel very peaceful when it's over. It's like 2 hours.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what to think anymore.

Well, I mean, if something's telling you to leave it alone, then you probably should.

Oh, I've left it alone. I have, uh, yeah, I've left it alone.

You know, I haven't talked about it much. A little bit on my channel is, um, I've been doing ketamine therapy, but Through a doctor and stuff, and it's been very helpful for my anxiety and depression.

What is that like? What is that experience like?

I'm very, very low dose. Um, so you don't— like, like when DMT, when you kind of break through, you're kind of just gone. I'm on low— it's low-dose ketamine. It's not a psychedelic, it's a dissociative. So it's more relaxing, kind of like you're floating, but it makes you more open to your emotions inside. Uh, it's not that intense. It's the same thing— eye mask, music— lasts about 45 minutes. And it's very good for neuroplasticity. I don't know if you know what that means.

Mm-hmm.

It's like, it helps you rewire your brain, you know, set and setting. So I have a little journal. Here's what, you know, don't take life too seriously, you know, calm down, don't get stressed. And I was doing it for a little while. My wife did not like the idea. of me injecting my body with anesthesia. But after about a week and a half, she and my whole staff noticed even before I did that I was more relaxed. I wasn't jumping to emotional reactions as quickly. You may be able to tell now that I'm kind of relaxed, where last time I was here, I was freaking out.

Oh, no. We were just talking to my producer about it. She's noticed it,

right?

I noticed it,

right? It's just, I, I'm— you— I have that thing, like, I have a bad temper. Like, I'll lose— I'll lose my mind and, uh, say things or email things, and after a minute I'm like, that was a little over the top, dude. That you did not have to go so aggressively. Now it's not like that. Now it's more like, just don't react. Just take a minute. You know, process it and then just be a little bit more mature. Maybe some things are not worth— that's not the hill to die on. Like I told you, I'm going through that, the bullshit with Night Media. I'm mostly just having fun with them and just most— yeah, I mean, I'm just a cat with a bird. I'm not stressed about it. And it's litigation. I've been through litigation. It's the worst. It's so stressful. It is not consuming my day. Just relaxed.

How often do you do this? What's the protocol?

It's about once a week when you get started, and then every couple of weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks. And you can go— I can do a much higher dose and have sort of that fully disassociated feeling where you're just kind of just observing yourself. I'm not really into that. I don't really want to go that deep.

Have you gone that deep?

I have not. I have not. But I talked to my doctor about it. He's— my question to him was, can I take this low dose where I'm still totally aware? Like, I'm under, but I know my cat is in my lap. I know I've got, you know, something to drink right here.

You do it at your house?

Right at my house. Like, in, in my chair, you know, in my recliner, you know, in my man cave or whatever. Just— and do that. But I'm very aware of everything. I'm totally grounded. So I told my doctor that. I said, how deep do I need to go to get the benefits? He said, you don't have to go that deep. He said, it's not really about going so far under. He said, if you're getting benefits from a low dose and you're comfortable there, then just do that. So that's what I'm doing.

So what is the experience?

The experience for me is mostly just relaxation. If my dose is a little higher, I will see fractals and colors and things like that. But at the lower dose, it's mostly just listening to music. Time goes a little quicker, but again, the experience is 45 minutes, and that's with the injections. You can take it as like a, as a lozenge, but that lasts a lot longer, which I don't really want to do, and you can't control the doses as evenly. Again, not recommending it to anyone. Talk to your doctor, but It's working for me and don't really need any anxiety or depression meds anymore. It's gone.

So there's no, like, talk therapy during it? You're just—

There is. You could, and you talk to a therapist before and after, but that's really only once you get started. You can talk to a therapist whenever you want to. So I did. But mostly I just wanted to— I wanted the neuroplasticity. And there's scientific evidence that that works, you know, because it works on proteins in your brain. that you start to use parts of your brain that were maybe— it's great for PTSD because you kind of, you know how you just kind of block those memories? This lets you access them but without that emotional reaction. So things just start to get moving around your brain. And then when you have that, a few days after, it's called integration. You just try to do better habits. Like, I try to eat better, work out a little more, spend a little more time with the family, try to just Relax. And it helps.

How long did it take for your wife to notice the difference?

Uh, 48 hours.

That's it? Your team?

All right, same thing, same thing.

Shit.

You know, I didn't really notice. I didn't really notice it, um, until I started looking for it. But she was like saying like, what's up with him? You know, he seems like he's just kind of in a better mood and Not so, you know, intense. Because I was— I, by nature, I'm Type A, like super intense, always stressed, always like work, work, work. I'm still working hard, but it's not— I don't feel the pressure. Like I told you earlier, I had episodes that I needed to finish before my trip. I didn't get to them. I have sponsor commitments and stuff. It's like, we'll figure it out.

Oh, that's awesome.

They're not gonna leave. We'll figure it out.

How long you been doing this?

6 weeks.

6? Oh, this is fresh.

Mm-hmm.

Well, good for you, man.

Yeah.

I can tell the difference.

I'm glad. I get, you know, I feel the difference now that I think about it. But it's, it helps with the podcast too, because I get stage fright. You know, I get nervous. I'm so nervous, so nervous talking to someone for 3 hours. But now it's— I'm in much more control of it.

Why do you continue to do the podcast if you like the other stuff better? I'm just curious.

Because I do like the podcast. I like—

You do like it?

I do like talking to those super smart people. I learn so much from them, you know, I really do. And talking to them makes my episodes better because I started doing the podcast because I would talk to these scientists and experts like when I'm doing my research. And then we decided to do the podcast because it was like, well, if I'm going to do an episode on the Knights Templar and I talk to Tim Hogan all the time and I— and he's so engaging and entertaining and he does podcasts, why don't I just talk to him? Just bring the guy in and ask him the questions here, and then everyone can see and everyone can learn from him. And I just started doing that. So now I'm— I, I talk to some guests that give me some ideas. I'm like, That would be a great episode. And now I talked, I spent, you know, 3 hours with him. I've got, I've got all this research done, and I think it makes the shows better.

Makes sense. Makes sense. It's interesting. I'm starting to— I mean, I wouldn't— it's nothing compared to what you do, but we're starting to look at doing like these mini docuseries.

Definitely do it.

We started, we did one on, um, We did one on flop camera systems.

Oh, is that out yet?

No, this is— this is— it's kind of like a trial run. But, you know, at the beginning of this, you had mentioned, you know, you never want to get into politics and talk to people within government. And I've arrived at that conclusion. And, um, and, you know, I'm— I'm pretty out of tune right now from what my normal is. Like, we talked about like all the spiritual stuff that I've been going through from my last psychedelic experience upstairs before we came on here. And so I've been busy with dealing with that. And, um, like, you know, usually you would talk to me and I would know, you know, a lot about what's going on with everything— Ukraine, the war in Iran, China, U.S. politics, geopolitics, all that kind of stuff. And, um, which I do, you know, I do think it's important to keep a pulse on, but I just, I just haven't. I feel

it's not as important as, as we thought because I was the same way. I watched news about an hour a day.

Well, I guess, you know, I just said I feel like it's important, but I don't know, is it? I just sat here and got lied to for years.

100% true.

Totally conned.

I think it's important just to know what's going on, but I was just— I would watch 5 hours of these news channels every day and be miserable. And so I hardly watch the news anymore. I don't go on social media. I don't— I'm not sure I'm missing anything.

Yeah, I can't even remember where the hell I was going with this.

That doesn't matter,

because I need some neuroplasticity. But, um, where was I going with that?

I don't remember what we were talking— we talked about— we were talking about Atlantis, megalithic yard. We got into psychedelics, DMT, Danny Goler.

No. Well, I lost it. Grand Canyon Mysteries.

Yes.

Let's hear about some of this stuff.

People ask me if there's one conspiracy that you'd like to know about. My answer is always, I'd like to know what's going on in the Grand Canyon. Do I start at the beginning? I didn't cover Grand Canyon last time. The beginning. Uh, 1909, G.E. Kincaid is looking for silver deposits in the Grand Canyon, and he's going down, I guess, the Colorado River, and he sees like this cave opening way up in the cliff, super, super far. And something about it intrigues him because it's— it sort of stands out from the geography. So he's on a little boat and he pulls up and he clears the brush and he sees there's steps that go all the way up this thing. So he follows the steps and finds a way into this cave, goes in a little bit of ways, and he comes to this like a fork in the road, tunnels going this way and that. And he sees a statue that looks like Buddha, but it's not quite Buddha. Or is it Egyptian? But it's not quite Egyptian. He calls it— A Buddha. Oriental, which could mean Asian. He doesn't really know. So he starts drawing a map, and he goes down these corridors, and he starts to find artifacts, weapons made of bronze, armor, different things.

He finds these porticos that have mummies on shelves after shelves, just, just mummies. He keeps going, and he finds this giant cavern that is an old city that he says maybe thousands of people could have lived here. And there's pottery and there's evidence that people lived here for, for a long time. And he maps the whole place and it's huge. So he leaves, he goes back to his camp or wherever, and he is part of a Smithsonian Institution contingent. So he calls the Smithsonian and says, I found this stuff. Smithsonian says, we're gonna send someone to help you. Professor S.A. Jordan was, uh, the guy who went out. And they go out and they explore again, and they find all this stuff. They send a bunch of artifacts back to the Smithsonian, and then it kind of goes away. Smithsonian says, we never heard of it, we never received anything, we don't— never heard of G.E. Kincaid.

What?

Never heard of G.E. Kincaid, don't know anything about any guy named Jordan. And the story disappears, and so does Kincaid and Jordan. It just kind of goes away. And people have been trying to find it ever since, and they can't. But you can find pictures if you look in that area where— because in my episode, I think I found at least one of them that where that hole could be. And people have gone up right above that hole to see what's up there. And once they go up there, As soon as you land above that cave entrance, suddenly black helicopters start flying around. And this is in my video, like here, the black helicopters, you see them. Um, I thank the people in my video because I used their video of when they went and explored. Um, black helicopters circling for hours, and then these unmarked white planes are flying below the rim all around the area. Now the thing is, this is all no-fly zone. You cannot fly above this area, and no aircraft is allowed below the rim. But there they are all over the place. They're not yet intimidated, and they start to clear things around, and they're finding artifacts from, you know, the early 1900s when these people were here.

And then straight above the cave entrance, they find this block with a giant iron hook in it, which Could have been something that would have been used to attach ropes that you can rappel down in, but there's no evidence of any of that because you are not allowed in this part of the canyon. This is a no-go zone, and eventually they were chased out of there. Um, a lot of the artifacts, the locations inside the Grand Canyon are named after ancient Egyptian locations, you know, Cheops and Cleopatra and all these different things, um, these ancient Egyptian gods like Ra and Thoth. Oh, it's very strange that they're named this way, um, because they already had names from the Hopi, but Smithsonian didn't— wasn't really into the American Indians at the time. And eventually it was all closed up, and now just about every cave in the Grand Canyon has an iron grate over it. You can't go there, you can't get a permit.

Really?

Nobody's—

Have you seen any of this for yourself? I'm just curious.

I haven't been to the canyon since I did the story, but I have been before. But why go down there? There's— they will not let you in. The rangers will yet— will yank you out of there. Um, there have been some expeditions into some of these caves. I believe like 1% of the caves have been explored. And these are important geological and historical places because they're like time capsules, because they've gone in there and found artifacts that are thousands of years old from like the Native tribes who have been in there who say that there's been people there for way longer than that. But they go and they, they gather some stuff, and then bang, the grate goes over it. And the Smithsonian has this history of getting things sent to them and then losing them. They just— especially during that time of— in the Smithsonian's, uh, history, Smithsonian did not like, uh, they didn't like the idea that Native Americans or any non-white culture could have a civilization like that. There's, you know, it was kind of an ugly time for Now, very recently, that story has been chased down and they have found a few more articles about the Kincaid expedition.

It's been called a hoax, but they've found earlier articles about him and this expedition that kind of predate the hoax by a few weeks. So for a hoax to go several months across multiple newspapers is very strange. Um, Smithsonian finally admitted that they did have a Kincaid on expedition there at that time, and they did have a Jordan on expedition at the time, but one was the entomologist and one wasn't really in the area. But they were, they were real men who were on real missions for the Smithsonian, but they said they didn't really work together a lot. It's, it's very, very strange, very shady.

Why, why, why would they—

It's— you can't go in there for your, for your safety.

Why would they hide this stuff?

I, I, you know, I don't really know. They would hide it back then because the Smithsonian didn't like the idea of Native tribes or anyone else other than white people having advanced culture. They didn't like that. So when you'd find like Cahokia, this amazing city in Ohio, Do you know about the Mississippian culture?

I'm getting ready to find out about it.

The thing is, nobody knows about it. We're not taught about it. But one of the biggest cities in that area in America was Cahokia, which in 1100 AD was bigger than London. It was bigger than London, Cahokia. We're not taught about it in school. We just weren't taught about it. Now, I don't think the schools are as racist as they used to be. You know, I think they maybe swung a little bit further the other way. But when those syllabus were being created back then, it just kind of carried over through history. It's like we just don't teach about these amazing— the mound builders and those societies. We don't really talk about it that much. I talked about it with Ed Barnhart. He knows plenty about that stuff. You know,

did you talk about the Mississippians? Because that's what I'm having them come up—

Just a tiny bit. Just a tiny bit. Uh, we ran out of time. You know, because you can talk to him forever. Uh, just a little bit. I'd love to see more him go into more of that with you, uh, because Cahokia was an amazing place with thousands and thousands of people. It was an empire.

Did you ask him about the— about the stuff in the Grand Canyon?

I don't think we got into the Grand Canyon all that much. Definitely ask him.

When did the greats show up on the caves and stuff? Is that— is that—

With what on the caves?

The, the— where you can go in and do the caves?

Oh, the bars. Almost immediately after that, uh, they'll blame Teddy Roosevelt, who created the National Park System. And they, whoever they are, the Park Service, whatever, went through and closed a lot of that stuff off. And it's, it's for our safety because of flash floods or whatever. But we need to go into those caves. 1% of caves being explored is unacceptable. We need to go and see what's in there, because there's stuff in there that's pre-Ice Age. You gotta know what's in there.

Man, that's crazy. It's like, what do you— why, why, why are they hiding them?

I don't know. I mean, there's legends of people discovering giants, giant skeletons, and sending them to the Smithsonian, who acknowledge, we received the package, which we can see the receipts, but then they lost the stuff. You know, we don't know where it is. We received your giant skeletons, but we misplaced them. And Smithsonian misplaced a lot of stuff in, uh, in the early 1900s.

Where do you think man originated from?

Man? It's not Adam and Eve, is it? That's a hard question because we still have the missing link. Uh, you know, because I believe in evolution, but I don't know what happened to make smart monkeys really smart, you know. And I don't know what happened 300,000 years ago, give or take, that made Homo sapiens sapiens sapiens, you know. Well, the only animal that's really self-aware and aware of its own death and the things around it— there's not really a lot of— there's no animals that do that. That's never been answered to my satisfaction.

You believe in evolution?

I believe in evolution.

Yeah, I was listening to— oh man, I can't remember this guy's name. He was on Rogan, and I think it was called the lady or something. Have you heard about this? It's like old, uh, whatever type of ape that used to bury its dead.

I didn't hear about that.

You gotta look that up.

I have to look that up. You remember where in the world it was?

Um, no, I don't.

I have to look that up.

But it was, it was, yeah, it was pretty, it was interesting. It was, they would, yeah, they would bury their dead. They would put them down in these caves and—

Like ceremonial, not just get the rotting meat.

That's what it sounds like.

That's really interesting. I mean, we know the Neanderthals were way more cultured smarter than we thought. But that, that's interesting.

What do we know about them?

They had music, they had art.

They had music?

Music. They had art. They had strong family cultures. They were the first ones to do organized warfare. Uh, just 50,000 years ago, Neanderthals ruled the planet. Like, we were just hiding in caves trying to figure out how to deal with these, these massive armies. I have an episode about the Neanderthals that goes into a lot of this. Um, yeah, they had— they made musical instruments. They, you know, unbelievable stuff. Uh, you know, they carved figurines and they had organized warfare when we were just trying to figure it out. They would show up like with columns and phalanxes and, you know, and commanders. Can you— I mean, can you imagine if you're just cave people and you've got these super strong, super aggressive almost humans with weapons? and they're 10 times stronger than you and they're doing pincer maneuvers around you, I mean, goodbye. It was only when humans invented the bow and arrow did anything really change because you can harass from a distance. They didn't really

have that. But, I guess it shouldn't be too surprising when you watch how wolves hunt or lions, how they'll team up and hunt. It's pretty fascinating.

Yep.

So why wouldn't—

why wouldn't

they?

Yeah, coyotes will hunt in singles or packs or in a group depending on the situation. So yeah, Neanderthals were— yeah, they had bigger brains than we did.

What did—

what discovery would rewrite human history overnight if it was proven real?

God, there's a lot of those. Um, that there's something on the moon. That there's anything on the moon, something on the moon that's, that's not natural. That would rewrite everything.

You're having a problem saying rewrite.

Man, it's a hard word.

I would say if the Earth was flat.

The Earth isn't flat, but that would change things.

It definitely would, wouldn't it?

It would. I don't do flat Earth stories because the comment sections are too violent.

What do you mean they're violent?

They get— the flat earthers are really into it. They're really into it. They're definitely convinced, and they just attack, attack, attack.

Well, they like give you death threats or something?

I get death threats anyway, but I mean, they'll fight with each other in the comments. I don't really read them anymore, but they're like really mean in the comments. Uh, I like the flat earth story. I think it's super fun. You know, I'll watch a bunch of flat earth videos and be like, yeah, that's that. I could see there's something to that, but there's nothing to that. But I'm entertained by it, and I love people who are really into it, who really love it.

It's a fascinating subject.

It is.

Uh, you know, just totally changing the subject again here. I went in, I did, um, an interview with this friend of mine, Father Ripperger.

Okay.

And he's out at— out of Denver, outside of Denver. And I was going there and somebody on my team was talking about all the demonic shit at the Denver airport.

Oh yeah.

And we were staying at the Denver airport, so I got on YouTube I'm looking up Denver Airport demonic activity, something like that. Bam, there's the Y-Files. I was like, yes, dude, what the hell is going on there? There's the horse with the red eyes.

Yeah, that's Lucifer

that killed the guy that made it.

Yep, he died before it was finished.

The gargoyles and the baggage claim. There's some painting I didn't get to see.

There's a bunch of paintings that show the end of the world and people in gas masks and dying children. It's a crazy place. It was maybe my first episode that was demonetized.

That was demonetized?

Yeah. And, uh, I didn't know why. And I learned— I don't want to out anybody, but I learned that there is a list of topics on certain platforms that you cannot discuss regardless. Denver Airport is one of them. You can't talk about it. And I talk about way crazier controversial stuff than that. Like all my CIA stuff, it's, it's like, how did he get away with saying it? It's fine. But Denver Airport, which all I did was show the stuff that's around, you know, the, the time capsule with the Masons, the weird numbers, and—

And I don't know about all of it.

It's, it's so crazy. When they, when they excavated the airport, they excavated way too much dirt. Like, like, when you look at the— how much space there is and parking and all that, they took way too much dirt. So the theory is that it goes much deeper, that there are these underground tunnels that go to other places like Cheyenne Mountain and all these other places. And, uh, but it's the artwork that really makes it crazy. The gargoyles. And Lucifer is this, uh, I'm sure everyone knows, but it's this stallion. He's, he's made of blue, he's got red eyes, and it's like, what— it's all end of the world stuff. It's, uh, you know, they've got the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. They've— it's all end of the world. It's, it's— there's dead children, like there's children in coffins. And that was the artwork all over the airport. A lot of it is taken down.

Really?

Yeah, it was— it's upsetting to watch. Like, you look at it, you're like, why? Why do— I don't want my family to walk by this. Daddy, what's that? Oh, that, you know, that's the world burning after the apocalypse. Um, it's all supposed to be messages of peace, but there's a lot of— it's not really Nazi stuff, but it's a lot of World War II looking

How does this happen?

I don't, I don't know.

Like, just like all this random stuff that just happens to be in one location at an airport.

I don't know, but I—

What do you, what do you think?

I know there was a, a meteor threat at one point during Obama's administration, and the place they took him was the Denver Airport, which is very strange to go there of all places. You think you'd want to go to a public airport, but that's That's where

he went. This is a forbidden topic, huh?

Mhm. Yeah, we're in trouble. You're not gonna make any money on this now. It's over.

Well,

I— maybe it's safe. I'm surprised that you found that video.

Yeah, popped right— it was the first result. There's a ton of stuff on it.

Thank goodness. Yeah,

there's a ton of— so the guy that made— do you, do you want to tell the story about the Blue Cipher Artist.

I don't remember his name and stuff, but I do remember that, that before it finished, the statue killed him. He had like an accident working on it, so he never, never finished it. He died during— while he was making that statue. Gotta be cursed.

Yeah. Yeah.

Have you been to that airport?

Yeah, that's the Denver Airport.

You've been there?

Yeah, that's where I looked this shit up. I was staying at the hotel there and, uh, we were flying in and somebody on my team was telling me about it and I was like, what? What are you talking about? Lucifer and all these gargoyles of baggage claim and paintings and shit? And I was like— and then there it all was. I was like, oh.

And he's like pointing out the gargoyles and baggage claim. I'm like Oh, that is kind of— that is weird.

It is.

And so he was kind of telling me about, you know, the conspiracy or whatever. And then, uh, we checked in the hotel right there at the airport. So I jumped on YouTube and I was like, all right, I gotta look this shit up. And your video is the first thing that popped up.

I was like, I'll be damned. All right, here we go down the rabbit hole.

Yep. And the time capsule's there. It was put in there by the Masons. Which adds, you know, adds to the legend. And allegedly, every level of the airport is not quite level. Like, there's— it's a little bit of a— of an incline, a little bit of a pitch to make you feel a little bit off. I don't know if that's true, but I like that part of the story.

Hmm.

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Reptilians, my favorite.

This is your favorite?

Probably not. I don't think I've ever done a full episode on reptilians. I kind of want to.

What do you— hold on, what do you think about aliens to begin with?

I mean, do

you think they're there, out there?

Yes.

You think they're not? You do?

I do.

What makes you think they're out there?

Just the odds. Just the odds of it. So many stars, you know, whatever, Drake's equation. I think they're out there. I don't know if they're here. The stuff that we see, I think most of the stuff we see is probably just experimental aircraft.

Have you had Brandon Fugal on?

But I know who he is.

Would you have him on?

Sure.

He's awesome. I love that dude.

Definitely would. Are you an alien guy?

I used to be. I used to be really into it. You know what I noticed about the alien crowd is—

The alien crowd? Okay.

Not— okay, let me, let me— yeah, the media heads that talk about aliens all the time. Yeah, minus a couple, I would not put Brandon Fugal in that category. I love that guy. He's— but what I've noticed about the alien crowd is that everybody's pushing for disclosure. We all want disclosure, but they have to be the— each individual has to be the one that gets disclosure, and everything everybody else is saying is complete bullshit unless it comes from this specific person. And that's what I've noticed, which means, okay, you don't give a shit about disclosure. You just want to be the one sitting in the front of the congressional hearing. You want to be— everybody has to be the guy. We can't work together. Everybody's full of shit except— do you pick that up?

100%. It's that Prometheus syndrome is you need to be the one with the hidden knowledge. And not only do I pick it up, is they hate each other. And, well, people that I talk to are always running down the others. He's a liar, but I'm not. He's a liar, but I'm not. You know, he's, he's an asset, but I'm not. And I don't know who to believe of the alien crowd. I know exactly who you're talking about.

I mean, they have said like horrific stuff about each other.

Yes.

That has nothing to do With aliens?

Yes. Um, I've had one or two on. You definitely have too.

I've had a ton of them on.

Yeah.

I haven't had many on in, man, over a year, I think.

Dude, there's nothing new.

Like, it's a thing. There's nothing new.

Nothing new. We're not learning anything from the video drops. So yeah, I think there's aliens, you know. There's definitely some weird stuff in the skies and the ocean that is probably not ours, but I don't know. I come— I'm starting to come more around to the idea that this is interdimensionality, or— Yeah. And I don't mean in like a woo-woo kind of sense. I mean like in multiple dimensions, in actual physics where you have multidimensional space that Once you reach these higher dimensions, space contracts geometrically, so you can travel really far. And to an observer, it would look like just hopping around in space. It would allow you to go great distances. Uh, you know, CERN has been looking for clues of Klein particles for a while, which would explain multidimensional travel through the bulk, they call it. So I kind of go there, but you say multidimension, people start to gloss over. You know, because it's not a disc, you know, a metal disc with a window and, and a, a red, uh, you know, a Martian, a little redheaded man. But I think something to the interdimensions.

Interesting. I think it's all spiritual, but that's just me.

I'm coming around there too. And Jacques Vallée has been talking about that since the '70s, that, uh, that it's spiritual, it's connected to us, and that's why We used to see UFOs because that was in the, in the zeitgeist, and now we see orbs everywhere. Because we— I never heard about orbs before the last few years, but I talked to guys like Chris Bledsoe, and I've seen the videos, and I know people who've gone out with Chris, and he can summon orbs. Yeah, I can't explain it.

Did you go out with him?

No, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it because I don't want to mess with spiritual stuff, man. You know, I don't want to mess with it. I even talked to Chris, maybe off the air, Maybe not. Where I— no, probably on— where I said, can anyone learn to do this? And he said, yes, we all have this ability and you should not mess with it. I was like, cool, fair enough. I don't want to summon the wrong entity, but there's a reason that NASA is interested in him and CIA talks to him and DOD. They all are interested in Chris, and he's just a soft-spoken Christian man with no agenda that I can see. And I believe every word he says. I believe that he believes every word he says. I don't know if he really knows what, what the things are, but I believe that he thinks he does. You know, he's made some predictions that haven't come true, but he also says he can summon orbs, and I know that he can. I've seen him do it. Yeah, I'm not gonna mess with it.

Yeah, so reptilians.

Reptilians. Uh, reptilian Those have been around for a while. I'll tell the story that I like the best. There's this Swedish journalist who goes by Ole K, O-L-E K, and he gets a phone call from a woman named Lacerta, and she says that she's a reptilian. And he's a famous debunker. So she says, interview me. So they meet at some cabin somewhere in the woods somewhere, neutral location. He's already got mics Cameras, all that stuff. And she comes in, she just looks like a normal girl, like around 30 years old. And the first thing she does is she shapeshifts into her lizard form. And that's crazy. And she says, we have all these abilities that humans have, we just have developed them. So, like, what do you have? So she makes, like, his pen levitate. He's got a piping hot cup of coffee, she makes it freeze instantly. And she starts telling him the story about how her lizard race is the evolution of the dinosaurs that went underground after the Chicxulub impact 65 million years ago. A few of them were able to escape. They went underground and they evolved underground, this species. And she says that the human race is actually the 7th attempt of an alien race to engineer a new species on Earth, that we are the 7th civilization.

And, um, I think we're, we're called the Elohim, or maybe the aliens are. And that's her story. She says that the, uh, the reptilians are walking among us all the time. They're in positions of power, of course, but they can shapeshift. We can't really see that they're there. But if you look up videos on YouTube about people blinking sideways, you'll find some crazy stuff of people with— it looks like they've got lizard eyes. It's pretty entertaining. Wow. Yeah. And we do know that just before that impact and the dinosaurs went extinct, there were a couple of species of small dinosaurs that were starting to grow opposable thumbs, which that would have been a big— that would have been a big change for dinosaurs to actually have thumbs. Because who knows what could happen from there. And 65 million years is a long time to evolve, you know. That's, that's enough time to get some intelligence. You know, we, we started to get ours about 3 million years ago, so about 65 million years. So she says that there are other lizard races, uh, that are battling for control of the planet, and one of them is an alien race.

I forget what she calls them, but they're from the They're from Alpha Draconis in the, uh, in the Draco constellation. And she talks about how there's a battle for Earth and it's been going on for a long time. And it's a battle over resources, specifically water and copper. Because if you could— copper is an interesting metal that you can do different things to it and all types of weird effects can happen, anti-gravity and all kinds of stuff. And they've been fighting forever over it. And I think the episode I have is called The Lacerta Files, which goes into all the details of all of this. It kind of tracks a little bit with the Anunnaki. It lines up a lot of it, and, uh, it lines up with some other stories about alien wars on the planet. But I couldn't confirm hardly any of it. You know, Ol' K is a pseudonym for the journalist, but Turns out his name comes from K, the guy that— I think it's a Tommy Jones character in Men in Black. We'll call him K. So, you know, a lot of the stories, the most fun ones, just come from one person telling it, you know, on a website or something.

So I'll tell the story because it's fun, but I can't prove any of that. You know, we don't know who she was.

Yeah.

Uh, we don't have those tapes. He said he's got tapes and video. We don't— we've never seen it. Uh, but it's a good story.

Well, I got a Patreon question.

Let's do it.

For you. So we got a Patreon. You do too.

I do.

So one of the things I do— What's that?

I stole the idea from you.

We offer every— they've been with us here since the beginning, so we offer them the opportunity to ask every guest a question. This is from YT Rocco. AJ, what do you think is going on with all the recent UAP disclosures? And do you think all of

the information coming out on UAPs is just media cover to distract from ongoing geopolitical stories?

I think there's a lot to that. Um, you know, if you're Lockheed or Raytheon working on some high-tech stuff, dumping some UFO videos would be really useful. Would be really useful. Or if you're in a time of relative peace and you're a military contractor and you want to keep the dollars flowing, you start scaring people about that we can't control our skies because we've got drones, you know, over Langley and stuff. Well, maybe we need more money into the contractors. We've got to control our skies. So I think there's something to that. Uh, I don't believe They're not gonna— in these video dumps, they're not gonna give us anything of value, I don't think. I don't think we've gotten anything of value so far. There's been a couple of good ones, like the, uh, that metallic orb over Syria. That's a pretty good video. I don't think we can explain that. But most of them we can. And I think of all the videos they've sent, like 88% can be explained. There's a few that can't, but yeah, I think a lot of it is distraction.

Yeah, I think so too. It's interesting, like, how it keeps, you know, Epstein files come up.

What happened to those?

Give them aliens.

Give them aliens. What happened to all the drones over New Jersey and stuff? That story just went away.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah,

JFK files went away.

Here's a random one for you.

Yeah,

Bigfoot. Have you done anything on Bigfoot?

A lot on Bigfoot.

My kids are obsessed with Bigfoot.

I, I am not a Bigfoot guy. I don't know why people are obsessed with Bigfoot, but they are.

They're obsessed because I keep telling

them

that he's real. Yeah, we got, we got, uh, the weather's just starting to cool down here, and there's a couple people on the team that Kids, little kids like me. And so we got the Bigfoot costume. And so, so we're gonna have them out back here on the range, and then just a very quick appearance of like, um, you know, running from a tree over the hill real quick, and then that's it. Just to watch them all like—

Oh my God, you've got to get video of that.

Oh, we're going to.

That's fantastic.

I take my son out and I can't even remember how this started. It's like one of my wife's friends brought it up and my son became like obsessed and he's always looking around for Bigfoot. And so I'll take— I'll like, we'll pack a bag and we'll go hunting for Bigfoot out in the woods. It's hilarious, dude. Oh, what was that? So I can't wait. I can't wait to do this.

That's super fun. I remember those tall aliens from Mars that escaped. Supposedly one of those races was Bigfoot. They came here, they, uh, evolved. Really? Yeah, it's part of that story.

That's the origin story?

That's, that, that's one of them. Uh, Bigfoot is in every culture, has, has giants with hair. Really? Yeah, native cultures. I mean, there's a Tibetan Yeti, native cultures, and there's the Lovelock giants with the red hair, Bigfoot, Sasquatches from up north. Yeah, they all have it. Even— they even had the Kandahar Giant for a while, but I, I think I debunked that. People didn't like that, but they all have that same story. I just— I don't get into Bigfoot or the cryptids, the weird animals. They don't excite me. I, I'm— I just want to see a decent photo of one of these.

What do people think?

They think it's real. I mean, my audience loves Bigfoot and Mothman and Jersey Devil and You know, werewolves, the Dogman of Michigan, all the cryptids down in Antarctica. They love these weird monsters.

I mean, if they think it's real, where, where is it?

He can walk between dimensions. So walk between—

that's what— that's the—

okay.

Yeah, so like through a portal or something? Portals, or just phase in and out of dimensions. But if you have that kind of technology, I don't know why you're just Naked, covered in hair, in the woods, if you can phase between dimensions.

It's supposedly a technology that he— that he has.

Native Americans don't think so. They think it's something that they can just do, and that's why we can't see them, is because they don't want us to see them. So, but I've never seen a picture of Bigfoot that wasn't blurry. You know, there's the, uh, the Gimlin-Patterson film is is still not debunked. It's a pretty good one. It's that famous one where the Bigfoot's walking across the, uh, that lake, looks back over, over at the guy on the camera. Uh, so that's the Patterson film. It looks really great. Uh, that film hasn't fully been debunked, but those guys did hoax a Bigfoot film not too long before that, so that hurts the story. No, people don't really talk about that. They talk about, well, it's Patterson-Gimlin. It's like, well, those guys kind of hoaxed it before though. And most of the tracks that have been found, they've all been hoaxed. I don't think there's any legit tracks to my knowledge. Ah, people are gonna hate this because people love Bigfoot. He's just adorable. I don't get into it. I saw one video during one of my Bigfoot things that was some, some guys were skiing up in the mountains and they're like, what the hell is that down there?

And down in the valley is something big and humanoid that is running through the snow uphill faster than any man can. And I said, that's the most compelling video I've ever seen of Bigfoot.

Hmm.

I couldn't explain it. And I don't know, I can't really find that one again. So maybe it's been debunked, but it's a good one. I wanna find that.

Yeah, I'd like to see that. I'd like to see it, just show my kids.

Do you believe in Bigfoot?

Do I believe in Bigfoot? No.

Okay, okay.

No, not at all.

No,

but I think it's fun to tease my kids with it. Yes.

So how about— all right, we're wrapping up the interview here. Okay, secret societies.

I believe in those. Those, I mean, that's no question those existed. Um, the Illuminati was a real group in the, uh, late 18th century founded by, uh, Adam Weishaupt, I think is his name. Created a secret society, and, uh, one of the things he was trying to do was infiltrate the Masons, which he did. And at its height, it had about 3,000 members, and they had the whole thing, this

The Masons or the Illuminati?

Illuminati wanted to— the Masons had a ton of members.

Okay.

So, the Illuminati was a smaller group. They wanted to— they really just wanted to get Masons to come over is kind of what it was. But, they did have the secret handshakes, the symbolism, all of that. Their symbol was the Owl of Minerva, which became the symbol of Bohemian Grove. You've heard of that crazy place?

Yeah.

So Bohemian Grove has a giant owl where they burn someone in effigy every time they're up there. Uh, the original Illuminati had, had that owl. That's— they definitely had it. You can even see on the back, I think—

Like the same owl? They had the same owl?

It's the Owl of Minerva. Is the famous— you know, it's a famous owl from ancient Greek, I believe. That's just sort of can see everything. I don't know if they call it— they have a different name for it in Bohemian Grove. But if you look on the back of the $1 bill in the upper right, you need a magnifying glass. Under that curve, you will see a tiny, tiny owl on the back of a dollar bill. Hardly anyone knows it's there. The back of the dollar bill is covered with crazy symbols. You know, you got the all-seeing eye above the broken pyramid. And then, um, Novus Ordo Seclorum, you know, New World Order, which is not what that means. But there's all kinds of stuff back there. The number 3, 33s all over the place. And, um, Washington, D.C. was laid out by, uh, L'Enfant, who famously laid out Washington, D.C., but he was a big-time Mason. So there's a lot of that symbolism there. And when the George Washington Monument was dedicated, It was dedicated by the Masons, and inside there's all— it was a Mason ceremony that was the dedication. So all kinds of Mason stuff in there.

Mason stuff in the Denver Airport. Most of the Founding Fathers were Masons.

I mean, just looking at the roads in DC, I remember I looked at— I was looking at a map, uh, where I was, I don't know, one of the times I was there, and I was like, what the hell is up with the design of these roads,

right? It's a terrible city to drive in.

Uh,

yeah,

it's all like pyramids and—

Yeah, because they were obsessed with that stuff, with the ancient, ancient Greeks and ancient Sparta, and they were obsessed with the symbolism, the Masonic symbolism. So you've got a lot of triangles, things are built around 3s.

Uh, why? What is that? What it— like, what is it?

Because it's, it's close to the divine. These are— the geometry is— it's divine geometry, it's sacred geometry is what they call it. The number 3 is a sacred number. You know, that's the highest level in, in Masonry, right, is 33rd level. It's just all symbolism. Now again, I— and I said this when I've covered it— I don't get it. I don't under— I don't get why people join the Masons, but I don't look down on people for doing it. You know, I'm just not a joiner. I don't join clubs and groups and stuff, but I definitely understand why people do. I totally get why people do. Especially these days where, you know, joining groups is really looked down on. I get it. It's just not my thing, you know, secret handshakes and stuff. Weird to me. But, you know, I've hung out with Masons. I've had them on my show and they're great.

What's with the one-eye thing with the Illuminati?

The Illuminati is— that's the all-seeing eye that's on the back of the dollar bill as well, above the pyramid.

What is that supposed to mean?

It's supposed to be able to see Everything. Some people think it's the Eye of Horus, but I don't think so. I think it's the All-Seeing Eye.

What's the Eye of Horus?

Um, that's from ancient Egypt. Another eye. So if you look up celebrities, celebrities doing the All-Seeing Eye, you'll find magazine covers and album covers of very famous people covering one eye. And you'll find it. You'll find 100 of them. Beyoncé, like big stars, just all covering one eye. I don't know why they're doing that, but you'll see all of that. So that just fuels the conspiracy, is that they're in on it. It's just— it's the one eye. People should be looking it up right now, and you'll blow your mind. Just pages of it.

Are they up to no good? I mean, that's the rumor, that they control the world, right?

That— that is— I mean, I lean that there is a group of people that control the world that's above our governments. I do lean that way. Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, those types of groups that, uh, once you get in there, suddenly there's Democrats, Republicans, labor—

What are those groups? What did you say?

Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, where you'll have, uh, people on the far left and people on the far right all getting together, getting along.

Mm-hmm.

And for some reason, a lot of American presidents before being elected end up getting invited to Bilderberg, and then they're elected. Yeah, I think, I think Hillary was way out ahead of Obama before he was invited to Bilderberg, but that was the end of her lead. And, uh, and Bill Clinton was invited there as well. Just so happens. We don't know what goes on in there. They're not allowed to discuss it. So I think there's something to that.

Do you— I mean, I've always heard way before any of this, like, I remember when I was like a contractor overseas, people would be reading these books telling me that, like, I can't remember the number, 9 people, 7 people, 5 people, right? you know, control the world. Is— do you think there's any truth to that? I mean, now I'm like, yeah, I could see it.

I can see it.

I could definitely see it.

Yeah, I think so.

Do you think we know these people?

I think we know who some of them are. Um, I think we know who some of them are, like Klaus Schwab and some of these guys. I think Larry Fink. I think, I think we know who some of them are. You know, someone like Larry Fink controls more assets under management than most countries have. You know, that's one guy. So we talk about these billionaires. Elon Musk is worth $200 billion and stuff. That's a lot. Larry Fink controls trillions of dollars. Trillion, trillions of dollars. You can influence geopolitics with it. Not a trillion, trillions of dollars. We all own stuff that he manages, you know, BlackRock and Vanguard, all of that. Everyone owns Vanguard. I own a ton of Vanguard stuff because that's what's— that's what's there. Um, you know, I try not to invest specifically in their pet causes like green this or green that. I don't do any of that. But, uh, but they have more power than governments do. But most people don't know who those people are that I mentioned.

I mean, do you think, do you think that there is another class that's even, that's totally, you know, nobody knows about?

You know, to connect it to the lizard people, one reason why that story, lizard people story kind of got, it got hijacked in the late '80s, early '90s. because I don't, I don't want to name the researcher, but lizard people fans know who I'm talking about. Got— it just got connected with antisemitism, like the Rothschild family and all of that. And it's one of the reasons I don't do the lizard people is because, you know, I'm a New Yorker, half my family's Jewish. I'm not, I'm not really down for antisemitism. I don't want to promote it. Um, so it's got wrapped up with that. But according to the legend, yes, above everything is this group of the reptilians who are actually the bankers that control everything, because we've got these banks that all the other major banks have to report to, and some people are in charge of those.

Interesting. Well, AJ, what's next for you? What are you excited about?

See, I've got episodes coming up. I have a cool UFO story that's undebunkable, uh, the UF— uh, Soviet UFO program. It's super fun. And I'm working on something where the Titanic did not sink. That's going to be fun too. Plugs, we have a board game coming out that in pre-play people are having a lot of fun at the, uh, conventions playing the Y-Files board game. That's coming out soon.

When's that coming out?

Soon. I don't, you know, I don't pay that close attention to it. It's called, uh, yfilesdeclassified.com. You can learn more about it.

That's cool, man. That's cool. Well, AJ, It's awesome to have you, man.

I love it.

You're doing great. Like, it's awesome to see. Came here with an idea doing a podcast, now you're just crushing it. So congrats.

Thanks, man.

Thanks for coming.

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