Transcript of #2455 - Donnell Rawlings New

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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Really? Red meat. It's unfortunate. In any form? I know it's weird. If I eat a burger, it's different if I eat a steak.

Steak is a problem?

Yeah. I don't know my digestive system, just like you two old old fucking Bustle it. How old is Dan? I'm 58.

I'm 58, too. I eat mostly meat. I don't think it's age.

What is it then?

Well, what are you eating it with?

Titos.

We're rolling?

Titos.

Titos. Tito's Vodka? It can't be that, right?

No. I'm eating this steak and I wash it down. You just eat steak with Tito's? I eat a steak and I wash it down with Tito's and tonic because it resembles H20. So by sometime, I get thrown off until I do it.

What?

Yeah, I think I'm better.

Tito's and tonic resembles water?

The look of it.

The look of it. It's clear. That's all that matters to you?

Yeah. I know at some point I need to change my life. I'm at the age now that it's like I look at certain food and I'm like, Oh, my God, it looks good, but you can't handle that. I think this is when I really need to be in love because I need to be with somebody that understands when I go places and when I want to pick out, they got to be like, he can't eat that.

He's not going to be in the seat. He's going to sit up.

He's going to be thrown up. But I think- A female handler. A female handler. They call it geriatric. This is right here. This is what the streets are saying. Most men get to an age. It's a geriatric shit. When you just smash all the women you want to do and everything, now you're going to have to worry about somebody helping you with your pill diet, helping you with your dietary needs and everything. And they say that's a lot of times when men fall in love, when they need somebody to take them to the golden ears. Or when When you're about to be out of here, you need somebody to say, Don't do that. You got to mash this food up. You got to chop it up. But I'm having digestive issues sometimes.

With steak, huh?

It's red meat, I want to say, and I'm a fan of it.

If you eat a bowl of pasta with the Titos, no problem?

That's not a problem.

Interesting.

But it's definitely red meat. Red meat, I'm not sleeping.

You should go to one of those doctors that checks people for allergies. Food doctor? Yeah.

I don't want one of them to sit down. I had to date an Asian. I mean, I had They're a Haitian check. They interviewed her really, really been. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They stab you with pillows and shit. You want to have pain in your neck. Is there any particular reason, Joe, and I haven't been in a while. Is there any particular reason why I am doing your show during Black History Month.

No, you asked to come on. You reached out to me. I reached out to you. You could have reached out to me in July. I would have said yes. You got an open invitation. You know that.

I haven't I'm going to get an open invitation. But this is when, I don't know. I said, Can I come through? You said, This is what you told me. You said, I have a guest. And then you called back. I don't know if Jamie said, You know what month this is, right? I don't know if he- No. And you called me right back.

I moved somebody. I moved somebody for you because I knew you were coming here on a Monday. I had someone booked.

Was it a Caucasian person?

I don't know. I don't remember.

Jamie? You know it was a white man or a black man. No, you know what? Did I bump a white person for a black- Actually, it might have been Michael Jire-White because he's here tomorrow. Yeah.

So it was probably Michael. I just probably moved him a day.

But I appreciate dude being accommodating because I felt like it was time for me to come back. I haven't been here a while. You can come on anytime. I really appreciate that. Whenever you're in town. I hold that to be true. Come on. I know that's true, too. You know I love you. Yeah. I want some of that gum, too, man. I'm sorry. The Neurogum?

Do we have any, Jamie? I have some, yeah. Yeah, that stuff's the shoot.

I know. Whenever you say something, it's the shit. It's the shit. Yeah. Well, what can I do about my... I can't do anything about my diet. Sorry.

I hit the mic. Yeah, you can. You just You should go to a doctor and find out if there's like, there might be something particularly about you that red meat doesn't agree with you. But it might just be what you're eating with the red meat more than the red meat itself. That's what I would imagine. I would imagine it's not actually red meat. I would imagine it's what you're eating with it.

Might be. And I'm going to check into it because as they say in the street, I'm of that big age when you have to be considerate of a whole bunch of things. So you That's what I have to do. I have to do that.

Do you exercise at all?

A little bit. Usually doing sexual intercourse is when I get most of my cardio.

Get your push-ups in?

Yeah. And it's not as strong. Damn, man. I don't know if this apply to everybody. You get to an age where you start looking at your history and you're like, damn, 2000, what was my best years? Like, right now, I'll just give up.

You give up.

I don't put no pressure in it. I give up. I start asking what's your shoe size is or whatever. I'd rather go shopping. Then they really try to pound somebody out for three hours. I'm at that age now where I have, I call it certain times. You're going to get a good work-I probably shouldn't give you that gum.

That gum is going to be That's the real problem on the microphone.

Is it?

People are going to get annoyed with you.

All right. I don't know what to do.

Just chew it a little and spit it out. Okay. You'll get the effects of it pretty quickly anyway.

I'm at the age where my best work is like Holidays. Holidays? I'm an animal.

Why don't you hire a trainer? You got some money.

And what is the trainer going to do? Get you in shape. I think I need a therapist before I get a trainer. I mean, you got to take one step at a time. I got to get my mind right before I get my body right. Wouldn't you agree?

No. Getting your body right will help get your mind right.

I think that's some truth to that. I think that you may be right about that.

Oh, 100%. Getting your body right fixes your mind without a doubt.

But I will say I'm at my best. I'm at my peak when it's a holiday to celebrate. Because you're rested. I'm rested. It's more incentive. If you want me to really smash good time, consider it like a Valentine's Day, Christmas,, you can get seven good days. But to expect me to be at my best on just a regular Tuesday or a Wednesday, it's not going to happen. I need more incentive. Well, it's also drinking.

You like to drink.

Why would you say that? I know why you would say that. Come on, I've seen you.

I've been with you.

I've drank with you. Okay, then that's a good point. All right.

There's cigarettes. You was there. You brought a pack with you. Right? There's that. Those are not good. There's a lack of exercise.

But you used to smoke. I saw one of your podcasts. I forget how you explained what made you not want to smoke anymore. What was that?

Well, cigarettes are a cognitive enhancer. They are. That's a fact. Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. There's no doubt about it. It's fact. And it does things to your mind. It stimulates your mind in a way that very few other things do. That's why a lot of intellectuals, a lot of professors use nicotine. A lot of academics use nicotine. A lot of people that rely on their brain, a lot of writers use nicotine. And there's different delivery methods that have different effects. Unfortunately, smoking has a very potent, instantaneous effect. And that's why people like it. But it comes with a cost. The physical health repercussions of cigarettes are well known. Not good. And also you're smoking Marlbrows. We had a doctor on the other day that thinks that Marlborough Lies.

Don't just.

I'm not really that. Regular cigarettes are not nearly... American spirits are not nearly as bad for you as these.

I understand that they have some type... The American spirits, I'm not even advocating for what you shouldn't smoke, but they say that's supposed to be the most natural if there's such a thing.

It's just tobacco, I believe. Is that a fact? No. No? What's in there besides tobacco? I don't know. I've been trying. I don't know how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued for the advertising of saying it's additive free and all that. Oh, did they? Yeah. What are the additives? I have to look. I've done the science on it. I've just tried to look. I mean, there's a big... Here's the website about the lawsuit. What's the accusation? Here we go. It's on the screen. Here we go. Lawsuit questions natural claims. Claims. Natural American spirit cigarettes are made by Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company and parent company, Reynolds America. R. J. Reynolds, they fuck with you. American spirits has been sold in the US since 1985. Heard under the original name, Original American spirit. Organic. You got us. He fucks. Unadulterated tobacco. Sue claims such marketing language has endeared American spirit cigarettes to a core group of smokers who believe that the natural tobacco in the cigarette makes them a healthier alternative. Despite cigarettes sales declining 17% between 2009 and 2014, American spirit sales have increased 86% over the same period. A regulatory filing on the Reynolds American website states, American spirit is the leading super premium cigarette brand that is a top 10 best selling cigarette brand priced higher than most other competitive brands and is differentiated from key competitors through its use of all-natural, additive-free tobacco, including styles made with organic tobacco.

But words like all-natural and additive-free on American spirit's labeling, the suit says Belize, the fact that Santa Fe, Reynolds adds ammonia to their cigarettes to maximize the amount of nicotine a smoker receives with the result that American spirits contain significantly more free-based nicotine than other major cigarette brands.

So you're actually getting high off of cigarettes?

100 %. I get high off of them because I don't smoke them all the time. So if I smoke a couple cigarettes a week, it's a lot.

And Newport is probably 10 times worse than... Menthol cigarettes is probably 10 times worse for your body.

I was talking to Cat about that. Cat Wimps? Yeah. I was asking him, Why do you like Menthols? And he was speaking on behalf of the Black community. He said, We like things that are more potent.

I believe that that's part of it. But I also believe that back in the day, and this supply, I don't know if I talk about this, it was certain brands that targeted certain communities just for the loyalty of it. And I think Newport was targeting. I don't know if it was a situation when Newport came out, they were spending more ad money with advertising and everything. Because I don't know if I shared this story with you, but Pepsi was a company that did that. They targeted the Black community. So I think even though I understand we said more potent, but I think it was something that was in our community, whether that was like cheaper prices or whatever. And I think it's generations and generations like, You need to do this because Black people did this because it was cheaper. I think that that might be the case for Newport.

Probably both. What is the menthol effect? What is the difference in the way menthol cigarettes?

I know when I smoke menthol, I sound like cat whims in that sense. That's one of the reasons I had to downgrade to... Some people think that I started smoking Marble Lies because I started dating white women, Which is more appealing. Unless she dated white women from the Midwest, then she probably smoking a new portion of drinking Pepsi's and Coca-Cola just like you. But I got so many bad habits that I need to change. Here we go.

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So menthol cigarettes appeal to Black people because it's a cool cigarette. It's cool. It's cooling. That makes so much sense why the brand cool cigarettes because it makes sense. That makes sense.

That's why they called it cool, I bet.

What white people do to destroy my community, man?

Destroy everybody. They don't give a fuck about anybody. Half ain't wide, body ain't soul, mild ain't bold. Cool ain't cool Newport is. Oh, because that was like a take on cools because people used to smoke cools. Do cools exist anymore?

In jail. Only in jail? I think I don't know what the ratio is, what cigarette gets you more money in a dice game. But whenever I hear people telling war stories, they're like, Man, I got a carton of cools for a bag of Doritos or something, but the value of a cool cigarette is higher in prison.

Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison? That's crazy. It's like the only drug you can get in prison. You can't get alcohol, right?

Well, you can get hooch. Well, you can't get alcohol, but they make their own type of- But it's all under the table.

Yeah.

But I think in prison, the things that hold the most value, I think it's tang, right? It's that artificial flavor drink you do. I think that it's- Astronaut shit.

Yeah.

Cigarettes, Doritos. I heard Honey Bonds hold their value, and I heard Candy Bar. But Candy Bars, you got to be particular with that because if you offer, this is what I hear, if you offer a person a certain amount of Candy Bars, And what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you.

Interesting. Candy bars.

Yeah. I don't think- Do you want some candy bars?

And that's code.

Yeah, it's like candy bar. Like Pizzagate, like pizza. Mr. Goodbar for this good bar. Oh, okay. This This is the only... Not that I've had those experiences, Joe, but this is the times that I frequent the streets, which aren't anymore. Not too often. These are the stories that they tell. Interesting. Yeah. And these facts, you don't need them for anything but for barbershop talk. But these are the conversations that I have, that I've heard people have.

It's interesting how different brands market to different people. I mean, how do they figure it out? What do they work? That's where it's evil, right? Advertising itself, I don't have a problem with, but there is something weird about deceptive advertising that's legal.

Well, they do a history on what people I was watching or reading a story about the people that started Forever 21. I forget what the brand was. It was some Koreans from South Korea, not to be confused with Kim Jong Un in those people. But they were tailors of something. They started a small boutique, and what they would do was they would have these clothing, pieces of clothes, and they would really pay particular attention to what colors people like, what was selling the most, whatever. And that's what they buy. And one of the things that made Forever 21 so popular because they had really... The clothes weren't expensive, but they was turning them over so quick. So people do case studies and see what people are attracted to. I know with Black people, you put lemon pepper on anything, it's going to go out the roof. You could do lemon pepper, chicken wings, lemon pepper, French fries, anything, lemon pepper. They're going to go, I don't know who started the whole lemon pepper craze, but you lemon pepper anything, Black people are going to buy it.

That's interesting, how White people are associated with very bland foods. Macaroni cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise.

And you know why you're connected with that blandness? Because the way you pronounced it.

Macaroni cheese?

You'd never, ever say... If you tell somebody, if you say, and you would be able to be invited to the cookout, Joe, people like you. If you say, Hey, guys, I'm When I'm coming to the cookout, right? And I'm bringing macaroni and cheese, you're going to get uninvited to the cookout.

How should I say?

Mac and cheese. Mac and cheese. Yeah, you can't say macaroni and cheese. Nobody ever does that. They would look at you as a spy. You would get invited and be uninvited.

Well, I'm a different type of white person because I'm Italian, and we're associated with spicy food. Very strong flavors. Yeah, but- It's a different... Italian people don't like bland food.

They like very spicy, very flavorful food. You're not going to say, I'm bringing baked ziti to the barbecue. You'd be like, I'm bringing ziti, right?

I would say baked ziti. Yeah, because there's different kinds of ziti. There's ziti that you bake, and then the ziti that you just boil and put marinara sauce on.

There's different kinds of ziti. But I will say this. As much as a community make fun of white people and their lack of reasoning, that can save your life.

Lack of reasoning can save your life? Yeah.

When you think about, you look at somebody, one of the most country home-cooked soulful spot, the one ingredient that's in everything that you taste right off the rip is salt. How good is salt for you?

Salt's not bad for you at all.

It's all bullshit. Then why do we think salt is high pleasure? It's all bullshit.

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Salt is not the problem. They associate salt with high blood pressure, salt with this, it's not true. It's bullshit.

What type of salt? Is it a different salt?

Is it like- No, salt is not bad for you. Well, first of all, there's iodine salt, Which is actually good for you because it contains iodine. They add iodine to it, which is good for you. But salt is not a bad thing. I mean, you shouldn't have too much salt. Look, if you eat enough salt, you could die.

Joe, you can't be the president to educate me with this. So all of these It's a- It's a- These people getting their toes chopped off.

Amputated. That's not why. If you're getting diabetes, it's usually from sugar. Okay. There's been a lot of misinformation that spread because of actual scientists that were bribed by the sugar industry. So the sugar industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard scientists. It was Harvard, right? I believe it was. They didn't even give them a lot of money. Was it the 1950s or the 1960s, Jamie? Do you remember? This has all been outed now, but what they did was they tried to associate saturated fat and foods with saturated fat with being responsible for heart disease. They did that to try to get the blame off of sugar because sugar is fucking terrible for you. It's terrible in basically every way, especially added sugar.

Why are all of these diseases that we speak of are more happening in the Black community than in the White community? It's What do you mean? It's diet.

It's 100%. It's sugar. Processed food? Processed food. It's diet. It's sugar. It's sugary drinks. It's the amount of sugar. Say if you drink a one liter Pepsi, the amount of sugar that is... Okay, let's find that out. How much sugar is in a one liter Pepsi? If you drink several of these a day, one of them, I believe, is more sugar than you're ever supposed to have in a day.

Pepsi is the one, and that's why it was- Well, it could be Coca-Cola, it could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew.

I think it's 100%.

Pick your poison I think it's 100% Pepsi.

Well, Pepsi is... I don't know. Does Pepsi have more sugar than Coca-Cola? I don't know. Coca-cola is one of the only things that's still flavored with cocaine leaf. Sugar content, 115, 23 grams in a one liter bottle. That's a crazy amount of sugar. 25 teaspoons, 35 sugar cubes. God damn. That's 130 %, 138 % of the recommended daily value of That's where people are getting type 2 diabetes. They're getting it from excess sugar, specifically excess sugar in a liquid form. Your body does not know what the fuck to do with that because nowhere in nature do you get sugar in a liquid form like that. Even orange juice. People think orange juice is good for you. It's not. Drinking orange juice, you're going to get some vitamin D, vitamin C, but you're also going to get a gigantic dose of sugar that has no fiber in it.

But is it a different type of sugar and fruits and vegetables than what you get off the counter?

You get fructose rather than high fructose corn syrup. Look, sugar from fruit is the best sugar for you because it's attached to fiber. And that's a slow release sugar? Like, if you eat an apple, and apples aren't bad for you. It's a natural way that your body consumes sugar.

But there's not- Apples were bad for Adam.

I don't even know if it was an apple.

It was an apple. It was a fruit.

It was a fruit from the tree of knowledge.

The tree It was an apple.

It was an apple. But it wasn't an apple tree. What specifically does the Bible refer to as the fruit?

Adam and Eve. Adam- You know the truth? What?

Eve never talked to God. Adam talked to God. Adam told God not to eat the fruit. There's nowhere in the Bible does it say that Adam went and told Eve.

This is why we should start not just shutting women down to listening to him. It all starts.

It's all-genesis does not specifically specify, rather, what fruit Adam ate, only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Yeah, so it's not necessarily an apple. We call it an apple. The text never names the species apple, fig, et cetera. The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning fruit without a botanical detail. Where the apple idea came from over time, Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates, including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others. Now, common idea is that an apple developed later in European tradition helped by wordplay in Latin and old French, where the words evil and apple or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly. So it's not necessarily an apple.

I really don't know what to believe. I feel like I get so much more information when I come here. I don't know if people understand that.

Well, the crazy thing is that, I mean, I've found this out recently because I've actually been reading the Bible that there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve, you're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant with the knowledge of good and evil.

I never knew that.

Yeah.

I just knew it was a white woman with an apple and this shit got fucked up after that.

What happened was God created Adam. This is what Genesis says. God created Adam and then told Adam, go and name all the animals. And then when he was done with that, Adam made Eve. But he never said, it never says in the Bible, Adam told Eve, do not eat the apple.

Who's given us this misinformation?

Well, the problem with the Bible is, first of all, that it was an oral tradition forever. So it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written down. Then it was written down in a bunch of ancient languages. It was written down in ancient Hebrew. It was written down in Aramaic. And then when you translate ancient Hebrew to first they translate it to Latin, and then they translate it to Greek, and all these other, maybe Greek first. I forget which one was first. But either way, the translations miss a lot of the language. It's a very complicated... Ancient Hebrew is a very complicated language, and numbers double as letters in ancient Hebrew. So ancient Hebrew doesn't have numbers. All their words have a numerical value to them.

What do you think makes people so connected to the Bible? Is it because of wanting to believe in something? Definitely. In writing?

Definitely wanting to believe in something. And then specifically, if you look at the teachings of Jesus Christ, if you follow them, I think it'll lead to a better life. I think it makes you a better person, makes you a better member of the community, it reinforces community. It's like a really good way to live your life. So I think people that live that way, that actually live that way, they're better examples of human beings. So that makes it reinforced. But it's also people... There's a lot of other religions that people believe in that don't have those aspects to them. People want to believe things. People want to believe in things, even if you... Like Scientology, people deeply believe in Scientology. And we know it was written by a science fiction author who was a bad science fiction author. L. Ron Hubbard wrote some terrible books. That guy would just bang books out. He never rewrote shit. Everything was a first draft. He wrote more fiction than any human being that's ever lived. And he also wrote Scientology.

And people believe in it. I do believe I think people, like you say, people want to, if your life is fucked up, they want to be able to say, okay, this is my savior. If I believe in this, it's going to get me on the right track. A hundred %. And then with that, with these, like Trusky just did a skit that went viral, right? And it was like he was making fun of the mega churches and everything. But these churches, they give these people something to believe in, make them feel better, and they're charging people. Do you think that it should be a separation? If I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to want to do something and change your life and be more financially secure, do you think these people are entitled? It's like, okay, almost like agencies. If I get you to work or get you there, should you hit me off? Or the mega churches, is it so wrong for me just to pour all the money into them? Or are they giving these people something to believe in? If that's the case, do I get a piece of that?

I think they're praying on people's need to believe in things, and I think they're very predatory. I think that's why they're flying in private jets and driving Rolls-Royce and living in mega mansions on giant ranches. And they're doing it all off of donations of people that are barely getting by. That's a lot of it. I think it's a scam that's legal. I think if we were a just and righteous society, it wouldn't be legal. You're taking advantage of people when they need something to believe in, and you're asking for all their money. I remember I was watching this guy on TV once. Tell Evangelist are the worst. And this guy was saying that if you are broke, you should borrow money to donate it to the church, and it will be paid back to you tenfold, that God will pay you back tenfold. And then he had all these examples of people that did it, and they would call in and say, I was a thousand dollars in debt and this and that, but I borrowed a hundred dollars and I donated it to you. And now all of a sudden, I drive a Rolls-Royce.

It's all horse shit.

But those are desperate people. Desperate people. Those are the same people that I'm going to spend $30 on the lottery every day for like fucking 50 years and don't know how much- That's another scam. That's another scam.

Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery. Not only does... Say if everyone pumps money into the lottery, say you buy $100 for the tickets, and Jamie buys $100 for the tickets, and I buy $100. So there's $300 in the lottery. There's not even $300 available if you win. And then if you win, you don't get all the money. You get the money over a long period of time.

But they always give you options.

Right, but if you take the second option, it's a significantly... Here's a good example of it. Speaking of the Epstein files.

What do you mean, Speaking of the Epstein files?

His company, Zoro Trust.

I didn't like that transition. You looked me right in my eyes and said, Speaking of the Epstein files.

Well, Epstein, we were talking about it before the podcast. No, you were talking about- Fsteen came to see you.

No, Epstein did not fucking come to see me.

They loved your show. He was a number one fan.

First of all, I've never It came to West.

You don't know. They came to West Palm Impro because you're a famous comedian, and you were playing in the town where he lived.

So what are you saying?

Nothing. But what I'm saying is that- I'm on- What I'm saying is Epstein won the lottery. His company, Zoro Trust, won an $80 million lottery. And then they took the payoff, and the payoff was only $30 million.

What do you mean $80 million? From a ticket or you mean within a corporation? What do you mean when you say $80?

His company He bought a ticket for the lottery. Oh, really? Yes. Zoro Trust, which is his company. They won the lottery, which is very suspicious. Not only that, he won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for fucking kids or having sex or whatever he was arrested for, sexual hand jobs, whatever it was.

There's nothing wrong with a sexual hand job.

No, but when they're underage, girls are probably not good.

Oh, I didn't know that part.

Then when he went and got the lottery money, the company took the payoff. The payoff, out of an $80 million payment, the $80 million jackpot was only $30 million. So if you want the money, you take $30. So not only did they take $50 out of the $80, but then you think about how many people spent money buying lottery tickets. It's way more than $80 million. So they make money off of that, and then they make money off of the fact that you want the payoff instead of the over 30 years.

So it doesn't matter what the jackpot becomes. They never can lose.

They can't lose. Because they still pay. It's stealing money from people that desperate. It's legalized gambling where the house always wins. Let's find that out. Let's find an average jackpot of megabucks and find out how much money actually goes into it, how much money people spend versus how much money the payout is.

So all lottos are state-regulated, right? I don't know.

I don't know who regulates them.

Okay. So they They get, say, they get $100 million from people trying to win a billion dollars. It's because the state regulation. Do they have to pay taxes to the government for the money they- The lotto?

No, it's the state. Or it's the The government owns it. So it's whatever the... Not only that, you pay taxes on it.

So say if you take that- You're the winner pays taxes. Yes. Yeah, of course.

So say if you take that $30 million payout, you don't even get $30 million. Then you have to pay taxes on that $30 million. So they get money from that, too. So they Can't fucking lose.

But for a person that has never seen, barely seen a thousand dollars anywhere, anything with a million, they're going to be excited about it and take it before they say it.

Exactly. And over time, most people are not going to win. So most people are dumping money into it.

There was a story of a young, young lady. I don't know exactly who it was. I think she won some type of lottery where they gave her two options. She would get, I think it was like a payout of like two or three million right up front, or They give her, I think it was like $20,000 every month for as long as she lived. Yeah, that's how they do it. And she did this. Well, people think that it's crazy, but if you consider the fact that she was probably 2021, her life expectancy, she was white, so she probably lived to in '32. You know what I'm saying? She looked like... That was a smart... A lot of people would not understand that. That was a smart thing. I don't think it's for the rest of your life.

I think it's until it reaches that number. I don't think they're going to give you money for the rest of your life.

Well, Maybe I was reading the- Maybe it's a different lottery that I'm not aware of. Maybe I think it was something as long as she lives.

That sounds crazy. Yeah. All right, here it is. Typical mega millions jackpot run. Total ticket revenue is usually several times the advertised jackpot. But there's No single fixed average because sales vary enormously with the jackpot size. Still, you can get a good ballpark. So around 50% of ticket revenue goes into the overall prize pool. So the government makes 50% right off the bat. So if it's $100 million dollar payout, they already made $100 million. So that's $200 million is what they made. They throw in $100 million for everybody. Of that prize pool, roughly two-thirds to three quarters is allocated to the jackpot with the rest funding, lower-tier prizes. So that means even if there's $200 million, out of $100 million, only two-thirds of it goes into the big jackpot. And that means the jackpot is typically in the order of one-third of total ticket sales that run. And then out of that one-third, so say if it's $100 million, or with the Epstein case, it was 80 million. He took the payout, which was 30 million. So they make 50 on top of that. And then on top of that, you pay taxes on that 30.

It's a crazy scam.

What do they do with the money?

Whatever the fuck they want.

I think they probably- Who can tell you? I think they, in certain neighborhoods, I think they probably pump a certain amount of winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get you addicted to keep going in there and spending your money.

Well, it's supposed to be random. I don't know how much oversight... Look, if a guy like Jeffrey Epstein can win, I don't know how much oversight is. I know back in Boston, when I lived there, Whitey Bolger won. See if this is true. I think he won the lotto twice, which is crazy.

Whitey Bolger, who was there? That sounds like a oversteer fire.

Whitey Bolger was a South Boston mob boss in the 1980s when I lived there. The 1980s and '90s.

A mob boss?

Yeah. He was a dangerous guy. He was the guy that that movie that Leonardo DiCaprio star in with Jack Nicholson. What was that movie, Jamie? Remember that movie that was based on Whitey Bolger? The Deparded? Yeah, The Deparded. Yeah. Okay. That was based on Whitey Bolger.

He was a gangster?

Oh, yeah. Terrifying gangster.

What was his demise?

He was actually a fucking FBI informant. Not only was he a gangster, he was working with the FBI, and they were letting him get away with shit because he was throwing other people under the bus.

I think there's a different- They wound up catching him in Santa Monica. Well, I found that- Hunting Whited.

About that, Whited Bolger won the Mass Millions lottery. About that time. Yeah, he won the fucking lottery, man. So this is what it says here. What does it say? I think it was more of a scheme than he actually won, but he was taking money. It's probably a way to launder money. Yeah. Oh, 100 %. It's a way to launder money. So the way it would work was, say, if you lived in the community and you won the lottery ticket, maybe they would give you money for your lottery ticket, then he would get it. And that way it would show that this is where he got his income from. Like, these guys would all own businesses. But the reason why they would own businesses is so they could show why they drive a Cadillac, why they have a mansion, why they have this, because they have legitimate businesses. But really, these businesses were scams.

My father convinced my family that he was a real estate agent for years. Come to find out he was a heroin king in DC for years. All we needed was an excuse. He's selling real estate, all right?

That's hilarious. So he ordered the real winner to sign the ticket over with Whitey and two associates paying $2. 3 million in cash for 50 % of the winnings. Bolger himself paid Michael Linsky $700,000. Although Linsky lost money in the deal, he really had no choice. It came down to selling the ticket or risking his life. Yeah, so that's how it usually works.

So he was a snitch?

Whitey was a snitch. Yeah. He was a snitch, and he got caught in Santa Monica.

Snitch or whistleblower? There's a difference. No, he was a snitch. Whistleblowers are people that snitch on people in higher profile positions like corporate America. But what I'm finding- No, he wasn't a whistleblower.

He was an actual snitch because he was turning other people in. But he was a kingpin.

Is this true? And I don't want to make everything about race. Is that phrase snitches, get snitches more prevalent in a white community or the Black community or it's across the board?

I think it's across the board, isn't it? The black community is famous for keeping their mouth shut when someone gets shot or when someone does something, like when cops come and question people.

I don't know if that's the truth anymore because what I'm not anymore.

But that was the thing with the Mafia, too. The mob would never rat out.

The guys would just go to jail. It's interesting now because now I see, especially in my community, so many people rat. I got the paperwork and everything thing. And now it feels like that motto of being loyal is dead. People now, they getting caught with shit in a minute, they get caught, they snitch on everybody. And there's no repercussions when they come home. There's no repercussions. I don't see that as much. I see so many people that are saying whatever the fuck they want to do, whatever, and they still out here just living their lives normal like nothing fucking happened.

Well, with the mob, it was always It was like, if you ratted on the mob, you were a dead man. You were a dead man. Your family was probably dead. They burn your house down. And people kept their mouth shut because of that. And so guys would go to jail all the time and never open their mouth. And they would be rewarded when they would get out. And they'd have a party for them, celebrate. That's in Goodfellas. You kept your mouth shut. You never said nothing. That was the whole thing.

But the whole thing I used to live- That changed, though, like with John Gotti.

Like the government- Did he snitch?

No, Sammie the Bull.

Sammie the Bull. And it wasn't just them. Everyone was snitching on everybody. It's like they got these guys. We had Donnie Brasco in the studio.

From what?

From that Johnny Depp movie. It was called Donnie Brasco. Okay.

Why am I confused with that?

What's his real... Donnie Brasco's real name?

I'm not confused. That's not... What's that? Joe Postone. Joe Postone. That's not nothing to do with Bronx Tale, right?

No, different story. That's a different story. Yeah. So Donnie Brasco was the guy who was an agent and he pretended to be a mob guy. And he got in with the mob and was with him for seven years, did all kinds of shit with the mob, and then sold everybody out and they all went under.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm just so... The culture, everything is, they used to be a phrase, Snitches get stitches. Now, I don't know if this just everywhere, but everywhere I go, it's like the most interesting thing now that's selling on any platform, especially social media, is beef. And I don't understand why people gravitate toward negativity more than anything.

That's normal.

Why? But you know what? It's interesting. Your platform is not known for that.

No.

Your platform. But I go to these other platforms and I don't know. I think these guys, these people, they just sit back and it's like, okay, what can I say to make people upset, get them riled up, and then I take advantage of the engagement that they do?

They're in a different game than me. All right? Their game is trying to get engagement. My game is talking to people that are interesting.

I don't want to be triggering anything, but doesn't that become destructive after a while? A hundred %. And have you noticed, especially, I'll put it like this, especially with comedians, with podcasts. It used to be a time where, like you say, a person would go on a podcast because it was interested, they told funny stories, or they was good at their craft or whatever. But now it feels like all these platforms, and I don't know that's just in my community, when I say that, Black people, it's like the only way I can find myself interesting if I talk shit about people. And motherfuckers are going away from being funny when you get interviewed. Every fucking podcast I turn on now is somebody, I'm exposed this person. I'm going to tell this about what you didn't know. And the one thing they're not doing, especially as a stand-up comedian, motherfuckers don't give a fuck about being funny no more. Are those days over?

No, no, no, no. Those people that do that are almost always not very talented. Almost always. The only exception to that- So who are they fooling? The only exception to that is Kat. And I think what Kat was doing was different because what Kat was doing was exposing what he thought was snakes and liars. It's a different thing.

Okay. This is my question. Okay.

Okay.

This is my question. I know. This is my question. People can take it.

Okay.

I want to say this. This is what I'm saying, Joe. What are you saying? I'm coming from this place. I'm like this. No disrespect to what I have to care. But who asked you?

Shannon Sharp did when he did that podcast.

Shannon Sharp might have asked one question.

But Shannon Sharp likes that. In his podcast, he likes a lot of that. His people, they find questions. He's got a sheet of paper. He's got questions of people that have beef.

Joe, what do you do with those truths? What do you do with talking about, I watched, this is a horrible impression. I sat there in the parking lot and I watched people go up at the daddy's house and they came down, and they were standing up. I'm trying to figure out, what the fuck do you get out of that? What is the result of that? You exposed these people to say what? Hollywood is never You're going to fucking change. You know what changes? What you do. I left fucking Hollywood. Hollywood is not going to change. And I'm not saying I went to a Ditty party. First off, I was never invited. There's a chance I would accept the invitation with rules. But what is the purpose of exposing something that you- I don't think most people are exposing.

What most people are doing when they're being negative is they are jealous and they are below the person they're talking shit about. Whenever I see someone that's talking shit about a high level- So you don't think Kat was jealous about...

You say that and you use Kat Williams as an example. So when you said they're jealous- Well, first of all, when Kat did it, it was very funny, which is different. It was very funny.

Kat's a very funny guy. When he was doing it, I think he was also being very funny while he was doing it, which is different.

Well, you have to put a L-O-L on the end of it because people might not understand it as humor. Because this is a connection people have. The connection they have with Kat, It's like this is what they say. They ride with him. They say, Where is the lie? Where is the lie? And all this stuff. But I'm just trying to understand what is the purpose of exposing all this stuff? What do we do with this information? What do we do with the information that did he like to have fucking freak parties with baby all this? What the fuck do we do with all this information?

Well, Diddy's in jail right now, so they did that with the information.

Well, Diddy's in jail for doing something that a lot of people... Let me tell you something, Joe.

Tell me something.

I was riding with Diddy for once. I liked the music he did or anything. I don't know did he like that. But when I first read the definition of sex trafficking, right? I'm sure you're a verse person, you're smart. The definition of sex trafficking, to transport a woman across state lines with the intent to have sexual intercourse with her.

When I heard that- When you're paying them, it's trafficking is- No, that's not actually my- Really?

This is my... Jamie, you can pull us up.

Wait a minute. So if you are dating a girl and she lives in Minnesota and you live in California and you fly her to California, that's sex trafficking?

And I'm thinking about- I don't think that's true.

I don't think that's true at all. I think that's just flying a girl in that you're having a relationship.

In the streets, they call it flood out. Floed out.

Yeah, but that's normal. Everybody does that.

But that's the definition.

Commercial sex act. Yeah, commercial. Commercial sex act. Induced by force, fraud, or coercion. Well, coercion's crazy because coercion is like, please, I'll buy you a bag. That's sex trafficking. That's a date. Right. If there's a girl, she's like, What are you going to do for me? You know those shoes you want? I got those shoes for you. Let's go shopping. That's sex trafficking if that's coercion for money. If a girl is thinking about coming out to visit you, and then you go, listen, listen. What are you looking for? What do you want to buy? I got money. Come on, let's go shopping. That would fall into that category. But we're getting off topic. Let's go back to the topic originally in hand. The reason why these comedians are negative- No, I'm nervous about this. I need to know the- No, you're not going to get in trouble for sex trafficking. Listen, that's all horse shit. But the reason why these comedians are doing it is because they're never bigger than the comedians they're shitting on. Never.

One thousand %.

One thousand %.

And you know what it is, Joe?

And they're never good.

You know what it is, too, Joe? Is that deep down inside, they want to be that person.

One hundred %. Or they want to be in the position that person's in is a better way of putting it.

I'll use this. I'll tell you this story. I realize, not to say names, but it's so many people that could be guilty of it. And this is the thing that I hear that understands me, that disturves me, is that a lot of these people that bitch the most, they at some point in their career, they were favored by Hollywood. Good. At some point in their career, they had these opportunities. At some point in their career, guess what? They had the agencies, they had the agents, and something happened in their career where they felt out of favor for whatever you want to call at it, whatever you want to call it, for whatever. Maybe something they did. Agency didn't like them too much. Now everything that they wrote on, everything they wanted to do, now it's all that's fucked up and the only way you get this opportunity because it had to be sexual favors and all that type of shit. Where did How the fuck you draw that line?

But it's not even sexual favors. I'll tell you like this. It's like they criticized the work of the other person. That person ate shit. That person sucks.

Can I get it? Here's the thing.

Come on, you get this all the time because you ride with Dave and Dave's number one, right? You always get this label. Even though you're a great comic, you get this label being a coattail rider.

Right. And guess what? This is what I try to explain to people, Joe. Everybody does I'd have to be Batman. I don't have a problem with being Robin. You know why? Because Robin got the same amount of screen time as Batman. And the reason why I say this is what I get, and I'm I'm going to tell you this, Joe, I don't know if this gum is kicking in. This is what fucks me up, Joe. This is what fucks me up. And I'll tell you an example. I'm going to give you an example.

Don't give me examples.

No, I'm going to tell you. Are you pulling out your phone? I'm going to tell you why, because Because your fucking shirt is fucking triggering me right now. Kill Tony? No, I want to. You've been the greatest comedy show of all time in the history of the known universe? I know that, but there's a lot of lies involved. Listen, this is what they say. This is what they say.

Don't pay attention to what they say. Why are you doing that?

What are you playing? What are the best things that the Kill Tony audience said about me? Chapelle's butt plug is acting up again.

Oh, God.

Yo, I got to deal with this shit. What is the fuck?

No, You got to stop paying attention to it. It's so hard. Do you know what would happen to me if I paid attention to all the haters that I have? I would go crazy.

Do you think that you paid attention to those haters? Now, you're in a position right now. You have so many reasons to say, Fuck them. Do you feel like you had that same belief when you were first starting this? Did you engage them then?

Well, I engaged online with a lot of people in the early days because I didn't understand what you're doing is you're engaging with people that don't have happy lives. Right. And they're negative. And there's some criticisms that are good for you because some criticisms make you evaluate what you're doing and say, okay, well, what I need to do is be undeniable. So these critics mean nothing to me because I'm killing. The audience loves me. I'm selling out everywhere. I'm doing great on stage. You can't pay attention.

You know what? I will say this. I hear you, Joe. I tried that with them motherfuckers on your shirt.

You had a bad show. You had one bad show. I never had. You had a bad show.

You had a bad Please don't do this to me. All right? You did.

You had that one bad show where you went back and forth.

I did not fucking have a bitch.

Did you walk off the show?

Listen, man. I did not walk off the show.

You wanted me to play it back?

Please don't do this.

You were a little drunk. No, please don't do this. Who was the comic?

I don't know his name.

We don't need to bring his name. He's funny. Whoever that dude is, he's funny.

See, now you're doing this. You know what you're doing? You're being a I'm provocatory right now. You're provoking me because we broke this shit down, and I don't want to keep going.

I didn't think of this when I was wearing this shirt. I'll change this shirt.

No, it's okay.

Put something over. I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt.

Let's break it down, Joe.

We don't have to.

We have to. You started this shit. All right? Thank you.

I'm going to change my shirt right now.

It's like, I didn't have a bad show.

You definitely didn't have a great show, right? When you walk off, it's not good. Jesus Christ God.

I feel like Kerry. They're all going to laugh at me. They're going to laugh at me. It wasn't this for the last fucking time, Joe. For the last fucking time. And this is what's so fucking evil about this situation. There's some people call it a bad show. I never wanted to do this show.

But you came back on, you had a good show, right?

I want to go back. Let's rewind. All right? And you were a part of it.

Hey, look, I changed my shirt.

No more trigger. I appreciate that.

Shout out to Benny the Jet.

Okay, I feel a lot better now. I need another piece of gum. I'm going to say this, say what it's worth. First off, I did not want the first time I did it here in Austin. I didn't want to do the show. Okay. And the reason why I didn't want to do the show, now you're not even paying attention to me.

You want a cigar?

Yeah, I'm not going to take a cigar. I didn't want to do the show, and I'll tell you why, because the streets say I'm sensitive.

You are a little sensitive.

Can I not have your opinion to just listen to me, please? They know I'm sensitive. It was during the pandemic, Joe, you remember people would still come to do your podcast because they know the benefits of it and you had your thing doing. They would come to your podcast, and then they would fucking leave because didn't want to catch COVID, and then they would leave Tony stranded, and he had no good guests. I was here, right? I'm talking about the time when Tony had a Black band.

He still has a black band.

All black. There's a couple of black people on in there. I'm into it.

I think it's mostly black, right?

Okay. I want to tell a story. This is the last time I'm going to talk about it.

Deep Madness. I mean, name him all off.

This is the last time, Joe. I want to tell the truth. Do you want to be a story.

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Look at the old... When it was all in that high production, all that type of shit. Tony is like, It's hard for me to get a guess. Would you stay? And this is when you fucked me up the last time. You wasn't playing fair. I didn't? Yes, you did. I wasn't playing fair? No, I'm telling you when you weren't playing fair.

When was I not playing fair? Can I talk? Please.

All I wanted I do it. I don't know if I got to raise in my head. I just want to be able to speak. It is my month. It's my fucking month. So Tony said, Would you stay? Come on. I was like, You know. And I stayed, right? Okay. And I stayed. And I stayed. I was on this show for two and a half hours. I told him, This is where it gets all crazy. I told him I had something I was supposed to do later. There was another Black comic that was on his show. He started roast me. I had no problem with that. I had no problem with him roast me, but I felt fucked up because it was only me, him. And I was trying to get this guy some sound advice, but the only way he thought he was going to get off by, Fuck with me. So I was like, Why are you fuck with me? We're on this fucking same team. What they did was, Look at the fucking video. You see? I want you to slow Slow it down.

Slow it down.

Slow the video down.

It's like a Zapruder film.

Back to the left. You're going to let me get my thought, Joe. Sorry. It's so easy for me to get distracted. Just hanging in with me.

Want another piece of gum?

So if you look at this video, you see him saying something to me. And then when I leave, it's two different fucking comics on the fucking stage. It's a dude that I was roasting, and then they showed me to exit. And then these kill Tony bitch-ass motherfuckers. And I'm telling you, I'll get past it. They made all down there, walked off. I didn't walk off. I had some other shit to do. And then on last episode, you and your boy, Tony, he caught here, and Tony doubled down on it, and he said, no, that's not what happened. Of course, them comment motherfuckers, the ones that be putting cringe on it, they roll with it. Okay. Then I came back.

Came back in an amazing show. Tony said it was one of the best shows he's ever done.

You know why it was amazing? Because you were ready. I'm amazing.

You are amazing, but also you wanted to get it back, right?

I didn't have... You know what? This is what Red Man said to me. Red Band, Red Man, whatever the fuck his name. He changed, too. I'm going to tell you about it. Why?

He's in the Wutan class.

I'm going to tell you the difference between him and I'm going to tell you the similarities between him and Jamie a little later on, right? Okay. How they're divas now. I know you said it's different. Jamie?

My Jamie's a diva?

Yes.

He You have a false memory of something already. I'll let him go.

Jamie is the last thing from a fucking diva.

I will defend Jamie to the bitter end.

Well, maybe you don't know him. I don't know Jamie? Yo, let me tell you, this is Jamie.

I know Jamie better than his mom.

I know. But this is a Jamie I saw. And killed Tony after the party.

Sit down. You're not on camera. Okay. It was also Saturday night. Okay.

He had a leather jacket on.

Don't have a leather jacket. Jamie had a leather jacket. He didn't call it a leather jacket. Whatever it was. You own a leather No, he doesn't even know.

Wait, wait, wait. The collar was flipped up. You have a false memory. Joe, your collar was flipped up.

Like dice.

And then he had this shirt.

He might have had Timmy Nobreke's here?

He's confusing.

Timmy Nobreke's the Jamie.

He had the shirt open to this button right here.

Oh, right.

Gold Chains? And he was sitting in. I don't know what type of moose.

Timmy had a Gold Chains boost on his hair.

Ponytail was popping. He had some type of moose or something, right? And then he was just looking, and I was like, What's up, Jamie? He was like, he had his hands in his pocket. It was given, as they say, it was given Fonzie attitude. I knew that had changed. But this is what Red Band, Red Man, whatever man he is. Red Band. Red Man. He said, after the show, he said, That must have been the most epic comeback in kill Tony history. I was like, no.

Well, the second episode was.

You came back full steam. You know what you're doing? I don't know. It was great. I'm trying to use the term. I don't think this is a passive, but you're fucking with my mental right now.

No, I'm telling you, you're a great comic and you're funny as fuck. When you came back, you It was amazing. That's what you said.

The second episode was great. This is the point I'm making, what you're doing. The first episode was great. It was Dr..

It was Dr..

Video Search. You've docted it. But then here's the thing. They said, Red Band, he said, That was the greatest comeback. I was like, It wasn't a comeback. You're editing what it was. And this is what I did. You're editing. This is what I did. And I'm not saying I think about the Kill Tony audience like that, but I thought about them because this is what I said. I was like, this is where I went. Like you said, I'm a great comment. I know what I do. I said, you know what? I don't want to give these motherfuckers an opportunity to be able to fuck with me. So I did. Before I went to the last, I said, okay, what did you do last time that you're going to do a difference for they want to say that? I was like, the last one, you had some drinks. Well, I wasn't able to do anything about that because I had some more drinks. But I was like, I tried to address what their concerns were, Which with them, it's not going to make a difference because I know that last episode. This is what I didn't understand about Kill Tony.

I didn't understand the formula. I don't watch it like that. First time I ever did it, I was interrupting the one minute part. You know what I mean? Oh, okay. And Tony told me, the first time I did it, he said, Dee, only one rule. He said, let them talk for a minute. I said, Tony, why you have me on this show? You know I'm going to break the rules. He knew that, right? But then after I I was like, I understood how important was to let those comics get that minute. So when I did it the second time with Rob Schneider, I didn't interrupt. Sometimes my criticism could have been too hard. I was trying to be more supportive than anything. If you watch the last one I did, I had nothing bad to say about people in a harsh way. Certain people I knew was up there just because it was a gimmick. And there were certain people I was like, oh, man, they really got talent. This one lady, she was an older woman. I think she's a regular there, right? I don't know what she was, but I told her, I said, it's so awesome.

I said, when I watch you perform, I see passion. I see somebody that's going into a different career later in life, which is the hardest thing to do. I made those points, and I wasn't trying to be an asshole. I got caught up in one and they ran with this shit. And it's a song that was one of the acts by the name of Juanita. Juanita is a gender... What is it when you-Transgender? Yeah, you have a dick, but you're a girl still?

Yeah.

Yeah, transgender, right? So she came up with this song, and she did this song, We will praise you, praise you. And I had a couple of drinks, right? And I said... And I was thinking like- Shit, you don't have headphones on?

What, Jamie? I just started playing it. Sorry.

What? Oh, you geared up for that shit, huh? Put your headphones on. No, listen.

Put your headphones on.

Oh, God. Okay. Go. Go. Go.

Go.

Wait a minute. That's Juanita's version? That's the-We were, we were, we were. Okay, do you got Juanita's version? Oh, I can find it. So this is what happened, Joe. So I had a couple of 2, 2, 3, 4, 5 Titos in. And I'm only looking at the artist with my peripheral. I'm not staring nobody down and looking at them through the pupils or whatever. So the performer, I'm going to say that because I don't want to get anybody upset. The performer was like... Here we go.

I'll just let them talk to still though. Okay.

Now look how I'm not paying attention.

Right. You're looking right at her. Shut the fuck up. Okay, listen.

All right, we'll see. So it was a very strange one in 2000. I'm going to skip that.

Sorry. Okay. They had to cut it out, too, I Probably the song. That's the gayest thing I've ever done. I do anal.

I believe it or not.

Juanita, welcome back to the show.

Can I do a remix of that song for any black guy watching her right now? I don't know. We will, we will, fuck you. It's probably true. Until you find out she has He's a dick, Donnell.

That is a dick. Keep it going. No. Keep it going. This is amazing. That's how it happens, ladies and gentlemen.

They can't tell. No, no, no. Come back.

The brothers can't tell.

The brothers can't. They will, they will. They never... The last place- I was trying to be nice.

I was trying to be nice. Keep it going. Keep it going because it's hilarious.

Whereas white guys, no. That's the first place the white guys look. It's over for me, nigga.

You're doing me.

I'm going to say, Charlamagne is going to find that clip. You're doing, We will, we will.

Fuck you.

You are fucked, Donnell.

I'm getting word from the street. I was being nice. He's not getting work for the street.

I knew it was something different, son. I'm sure this happened. I don't want to get banned like Dave Sipel, nigga. Donnell, I'm sure this happened before in Korea. Stop touching me, son. I'm sure in Korea, as an 18-year-old boy. This is a memory coming back to you.

Oh, my God. That's usually how black guys react.

It's pretty. Juanita, have you been with a black man before?

You Give it going. Keep it going. I guess it gets you fired. Okay.

Are you just saying that so that he doesn't find you and kill you? No, it was race, right? I'm just kidding. I'm about to jump. Oh, shit. Now I'm offended.

No, I've been with one.

He was half.

Okay. He was half.

Half a block. Okay. My career is over, digga. It's over. Come on, that was funny. No, wait a minute. It was funny. And the funny thing about it was I did have a couple of drinks, right? People like, How did you not know? I live in the Midwest, and what I really thought it was, I know women that look just like Juanita. Sure. That in the face, it's sketchy, like a Dollar General one to two. And I wasn't offended, but it just caught me off guard. But going back to what I was saying about the Kill Tony thing, And this is another thing people said, well, Donnell, you got upset because Rob Schneider was roasting you, whatever. First off, there was the first time Rob Schneider was on the show. He didn't really know too much about the Kill Tony platform. I knew a little more than he did. And at the beginning, he was cold, if you want to say. Not cold, like not funny, but he just wasn't warmed up to the flow. And then I started saying things. I was alley-uping him. Basically, people can say what they want. I helped get him comfortable in the show, and then he started crushing.

He started crushing. And then we did... Anybody tell you that episode was amazing? It was amazing. But this is the thing. That platform is not a place for you to tell how you really feel about somebody. And I owe Tony an apology, and I'll tell you why. When Tony did the RN, Republic National Convention, whatever, remember when he did the roasting? Yes. For that, it was a very testy time. Right. Politics, everybody said, you shouldn't do this and everything.

I told them not to do it.

You told them not to do the show?

The Republican Party thing.

Here's the thing. Just for the people that's listening, this is what happened at the end of that kill Tony with me and Rob Schneider. All I wanted to do, I had the question on, where do you draw the line? Do you draw the line of what people think, how you're supposed to respond to something? Or are you loyal to somebody on how they treat you and how they are as a friend to And Tony wanted me to do that show. And anytime I've called Tony, he's pick up the phone, vice versa. We've been in for each other. My publishers, I don't know if this is a good idea right now, too, because what you think is a nice gesture, you want to do the show, people are going to act like it's a political stand. I didn't want that, right? So I had to make- He can't listen to publicists. This is what I learned now, Joe. You know what I'm saying? That was my inexperienced whatever. And something I kept calling, and I was like, What if I do this? Because I wanted to be reconnected with him, whatever. And I told Tony he was hot in a good way and a positive way.

I felt so bad. I called him and said, Man, I really want to do this show, but I think people are going to take it the wrong way now, right? And this was me. I felt bad about it. I stood up at your condo. I was on the balcony, bro, and I watched the motherfuckers going to the show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it. And the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to apologize to him and say, as a friend, I probably wasn't there. And he understood, even though I was like, he's never going to let me do the show again. He said, I'd love to have you there. The only issue I had with Rob Schneider, in that moment, he didn't have the sense of me trying to say something serious, right? And he was getting a laugh off this one joke, and it was at my expense. When I had this moment, I was talking about friendship and everything. Rob kept on with this fucking corny joke, and I didn't want to flip out. And then people took that as like, Oh, yeah.

Rob roaster him. The fuck out of here. I was trying to talk about... And I had this issue. You might have the same issue. Some people know people a certain way, you know them a different way. And I use an example, and I'm going to get shit on for saying this or whatever. I was like, Oh, how could you say that?

You got to stop worrying about what other people think.

I can't do it.

You got to stop worrying about what other people think. This is the conflict. You know how you feel.

Just be yourself. I'll I just say this, Kid Rock. Kid Rock, right? You say that name for some people in certain places, they can go, Oh, fuck him, or whatever, right? I met Kid Rock some years ago when we were doing the Cornfield shows in Yellow Spring. I tell people, and we talked about this earlier. Some people are provocateurs. I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the shit he say, but I think that he knows it's going to move the dial as well as it's going to make him be in the headlines or what people are like, Oh, shit. He's going to stick to that.

When we did that show in Nashville, remember we out with him? Went to his house?

Yeah, exactly. And with that, even when he came to conference that time, this was the point when he said some crazy shit out of his mouth. Nobody wanted to be around him or anything. They was like, Oh, pop, pop, pop, pop. When I do this thing, I do river runs in Yellow Spring, Ohio. And for some reason, I take people down the river and it's like a peace thing. Like you in nature.

Got a photo of you right outside the door.

I know. I asked for that photo here, too. It's right outside the door. I love that. Now, if you look at that photo, you'll see the energy. That's the vibe I was on. And nobody wanted to get close to Kid Rock or anything. And I remember as a kid, how the Black community accepted him in school. I'm thinking about that shit. We were riding down the river. Kids over in one kayak. I'm on the other side. We smoking a joint. And he looked at me and I know he was sincere. He said, Man, it feel like I just had 13 hours of anger management. And I was like, Okay, I'm not trying to be a therapist or anything, but that felt good. Then at the end, we stopped. He's flipping burgers and shit. We got to know each other. We kept in touch with each other. And he was doing a comedy festival in Nashville. He appreciated me as a comedian. He said, Yo, D, I'm doing this. I was like one of the first people he called. He said, You want to do it? I was like, Why not? Then I thought about it.

I was like, Again, what I was like, What people are going to think? Seven comedians on this show, I'm the only Black guy. I knew what I was walking into. I knew it was going to be all maggas. It wasn't going to be a gay person. It wasn't going to be a midget. It wasn't going to be a lesbian. It wasn't going to be anything but bonafide, the real, real red, white, and blue flag motherfuckers. But I said, Daniel, can you separate? Can you go up here? Can you perform and be entertaining, not shucking and jiving or none of that type of shit. I went up there, last person got a standing ovation at the end of the show. This is what people might not understand, and I'm not trying to defend them or anything. At the end of the show, me and Kid Rock, in this case, I want to say, Kid Rock wasn't backstage. Bobby was, right? And he said, Man... He looked at me. He said, Man, I think we just brought this country back together, right? And I said, Well, don't separate it, motherfucker. He said, Okay, two weeks later, he'd do some other stupid shit.

When Trump got elected, I know people went to his page to see what his response was going to be. Was he going to gloat? We were like, Fuck, this is America. He did this video, which I thought was so dope because it showed two sides of him. It showed Kid Rock and it showed Bobby, right? And then how they both responded to Donald Trump being elected. The Kid Rock was the crotch-grabbing motherfucker, fuck you, right? Then he came out. You find this, he came out as Bobby with shorts, just no American flags, baseball cap, fucking ring glasses, whatever. And I thought it was dope. The dialog that he had with it, he played the victory. He said, We did win. He said, But this is not a time to gloat. It's so much stuff that we need to do. He said, All sides want to get to a certain place, but we have different ideas on how are you going to get there. I thought that for whatever people want to think, I thought that was showing another side. And also I told him, because I would talk to him off and on. I said, You know what song you should do?

You should do Nina Simone's song, Misunderstood. Right? Just seeing that shit. But I know he wouldn't ever do that because the bass that really supports the mic is like, Oh, he's soft now. Point I'm making, even though with Tony, with the situation, I consider Tony a good friend of mine for different reasons, right? That's why I wanted to have that moment to say that. But Rob Schneider, as much as they say I took away from moments on that show, he took away from that moment. I wasn't trying to be a bitch. I wasn't trying to be soft. I wanted to say I apologize because sometimes friendship has got to be stronger than that. And that's where I was with that. And as much as I don't need the Kill Tony show. This is what I always say about that show. I said, Kill Tony reminds me of the Def Jam era. And when I say that there was a platform for undiscovered talent, people that you've never seen. It's such a spectacle. Like Def Jam, it was people that didn't have the skill set to fucking go headline, but they were being seen. Same thing with Kill Tony.

You look at what-Is your phone on?

Is your phone on?

This is what I appreciate about this show, for whoever likes it or whatever, it's a platform to get on. I travel around the country. It used to be, you remember back in the day, it was like, Oh, I need to be on Letterman. I need to be on the car, so whatever. That is the... I got to get on kill tone. A hundred %. And in some cases, it's some good and bad to that. There's some people that was ready for it. There's some people like, You know what? You had two or three minutes worth of jokes. You know what I'm saying? You're not ready. But it gave people some hope. When I was staying at the hotel the other day, three people traveled across the country with the hopes of that. So I know how important that show is. Is it the fan base? I want them to be like, Oh, I can't wait to see them. But For me, my whole career, Joe, I always wanted to be around the people, the places that they say the best comedians perform. When I started, when I was in New York, I wanted to get passed to the Comedy Cellar, not because I wanted to be a cellar dweller.

I didn't want to be the guy in the back, fucking just every weekend, just sit back there and tell them what stories. I was like, If this is where the best comics perform, I want to be a part of that. I want to be a part of that. Because when I got passed in the Comedy cellar, it wasn't a lot of Black comedians working in the cellet. It was Greer Barnes. It was Keith Robinson, R. I. P, it was William Stevenson, Patrice, Dave Chappelle. In fact, Barry Katz had a room, Boston Comedy Club, and it was Black Night on Sundays, right? The Black community looked at me like, they'd say, Where are you going? I was like, I got a spot at the cellar. How the fuck did you get in the cell? The way I got into it was put the work in, I hung out, got a couple of recommendations, and when it's time for me to showcase, I did my thing. But the minute I got past in the cell, I didn't really care about working there all the time. I just wanted to be validated as like, this is the spot.

I get it. Same thing with the Comedy Store. Same thing with what you're doing here. It was that part of it.

I get it. Grant Barnes is probably one of the most underappreciated talents in the country.

But you I've known that dude for 30 years.

He's a funny motherfucker, and he's been funny forever.

You know it's so funny that you said underappreciated because you know comedians that put the work in, whatever, it's a phrase that people use underrated, but then you got to ask who rated. You didn't use those words. You said underappreciated, but he is. I don't know. Sometimes you got to ask yourself.

He's not underrated by comics. He's underappreciated by audience members for whatever reason. I think it's a social media thing. I just think he doesn't have a big presence on social media for whatever reason. He's a solid, solid fucking comic, though. Always has been.

And a solid guy. And a good dude. But that's another thing. This is the area that we in right now. And you notice it's even more so now, the most talented people aren't getting his shots if you don't know how to evolve.

Well, it's not even just that, because look at Dave... Not Dave Chappelle, excuse me, Dave Attell. Dave Attell, I think, is one of the funniest dudes who's ever lived. Ever, ever. One of the best comics ever in the history of comedy, and mostly does clubs. He does like, theaters and stuff like that. He should be sold out arenas all across the country, but he does not promote himself. He's not into social media. He doesn't do much other than specials.

I think a would be petrified. Not that he couldn't do it. Remember with the show he had, what was it? The Late Night Show. That was before anybody was doing it. The Late Night Show, he'd go to bars and stuff like that. Insomniac. Yeah, Insomniac. This is before everybody was doing it. I don't think that Some people, I think he's always going to make millions of dollars, touring or whatever. But I think his comfort zone is like, he's not a club act, but he's a club comment. I think the best thing for him he ever wants to be is in front of 250 to 500 people.

Well, he's awesome in that. But he does, like when Bert does arenas, he does Arenas and he murders in arenas. I think the real thing with him is that he's just focused on his craft only. And the props that he gets from other comedians on podcasts and things those lines is what really fuels his popularity. And then when people go to see him, just word of mouth.

Do you think some people might be afraid of a certain level of fame that they don't want to have? There is that.

But I don't think he's that. I just don't think he thinks about it. I mean, he doesn't even have a phone. He carries a flip phone with him all the time. He has an iPhone that he stores away, and sometimes he uses it. But when you text him, he texts you on... You got to press four times to get an S.

You know what it is, though, Joe? You know what it is, right?

He doesn't want to be distracted.

He's in Epstein files. He doesn't want to be distracted. You need a burn of phone. If you're heavily in the Epstein files... No, I think- He's only in the Epstein files because he was on a lineup that Epstein was going to go see at the cellar. I think Dave O'Tell.

Louis J. Gomez is on that, too.

I like him. I think Dave O'Tell is like... I think Dave O'Tell's ultimate happiness is being on stage.

Shut your fucking phone off, man. Put that shit on silent. Just Don't put it on silent. Do you know how to do that? You don't know how to do that.

Don't disrespect me like that.

Put it on do not disturb.

You know how to do that? It's okay. It's off. It's off. Okay.

It keeps digging in, you popular motherfucker.

I think some people... I think, my opinion, Dave O'Tell, his comfort zone is fucking just being as incognito as he tries to be. It's just like, oh, I came up with this, but I don't know anybody that turns over material. There's certain comments you look at Joe and you're like, God damn, this motherfucker is constantly trying. Yeah, always. When I work with Dave, he forced me to do that. Deion Cole is another guy. When I watch Deion Cole does at the Hollywood Improf, I think maybe three times a week, he just have a Monday night and he just use it as a workout. Me, when I go into a spot, I'm trying to beat it up. So sometimes I get distracted on what I'm really there for, that's to work on new material. There's a different level where you just like, you know what? I could deal with the silence. I could deal with something not working. And when I watch people like him, there's another comedian in LA by the name of Malik S that doesn't have all that notaraderie like that. But when I see him, I'm like, damn, every time I see this motherfucker, he's working on some new shit and has the same passion.

Everybody doesn't have that. That's why David Tell will always of other comics, something to try to achieve because you're like, you ain't going to see him doing the same shit. It's always a flip. And that's what makes him who he is. And that's why he gets so respected by something.

Well, he's only focused on his craft, whereas some people are really focused on social media and promotions, and they have a guy that films them doing a bunch of wild things and edits with music.

I've never seen so many comedians have full-out production crews with them on an intro.

I know.

On stage.

They think that that's what they need. They think that's what they need to separate them. And it does get them attention. But it takes away. It does draw some focus away from what you're trying to do, which is work on your shit and come up with new stuff, where a towel doesn't have any of that.

But with that said, it takes away. But then it also lets you know who the special people are. Right now, fucking my goddamn guy that serves as my pool and should say he's got a special coming out. I don't know who doesn't have a special coming out. And the thing about it is like, now, Joe, you know it. Specials aren't... If you really look at it, specials aren't special anymore. It's a weird word, right?

Specials are a weird word. I got a new special. No other art form calls it a special. If someone, Taylor Swift, puts out a concert video, it's a video of her performance. A musician puts out a video, it's that. It's like for a comic, we got a weird word special.

You know what special is now? When you get excited about special, if people still do that, it's who's putting it out. It's special people that do it. It's special people that are like, Sebastian, he's doing it special. You know what I'm saying? Fucking Tom does it special. It's special people where you know it's special. And a lot of them now, it's just people that's doing 45 minutes worth of comedy. No beginning, no middle, no end, no point of view. You don't know anything about them. It's just like the same way they do photo dumps. It's just like joke dumps. All right. But I have to say, and I'm not... People say Dave Chappelle's a butt player. But one thing I could say, however you look at it- Dave Chappelle's a what? No, I'm Dave Chappelle's butt plug. I'm going back to... That's what people, they understand.

You got to stop listening to what other people say.

Joe, I'm second-waying into a story.

Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonzie jacket?

He's got them in all colors. He's got him in all colors. He's got a red, white, and blue one.

He took it off before the show.

People get so critical. But at a certain point, people evolve. You know them a certain way, but then you're talking about a person who has a 35, 40-year career. People are like, Well, this last special, so and so did. It wasn't that funny. But how often, how long are you going to just be like, rip-roaring funny? Some people have a position where when they talk, people listen. And I'll look at, I'll use Dave as an example. If you look at All is Special, 20 years from now, right? You have a Netflix and Chill day or whatever. If you play All is Special that Dave ever did, you would know exactly what was going on in the world at that time. You know what I mean? You know what's going on. Some people put out singles. They got one or two jokes. Some people put out albums. He's one of those people. Sebastian is another one. You look at like, you see how his comedy is involved. People get older, they have different perspectives on life, and that's what you have to fucking accept them for. But we don't do that. And another thing, I don't know if this is prevalent in your community.

And when I say that your community is a lot of people, but my community, man, it's just so much dumb beef. It's only one white beef I've ever known about, and that's yours.

Mine?

Yes.

What do you mean?

The beef that you had with- With Benzina? Yeah, years ago.

Well, that was the same thing with Cat. Some shit just has to be exposed. That was a real problem, man. You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem, where he had that special or that show, rather, on Comedy Central after Dave left, which was basically doing his version of Dave's sketches. And he was still- Do you think it was his version of Dave's sketches? It was a lot of shit was. When he dressed like the white guy and had white paint on his face and wear the white wig. It was basically the same character that Dave was doing.

Yeah, but if you look at the history of sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first person to ever dress himself up to look like.

Yeah, but it was right afterwards. Right after. Anything Same slot.

Anything that came after Shapel show, they would have compared it to it.

Dave was saying it.

Yeah.

Dave never talks shit about nobody. He was like, This motherfucker is doing my show. Dave was saying it. Dave doesn't talk shit about nobody.

Right.

But that was only one of the problems. The real problem was he would sit in the back room and watch open mic nights and take their shit. They would flash the light when he was in the room, so comics wouldn't do material. They would start doing crowd work.

So why didn't he get exposed before that? Why did it just come- Because nobody had the balls to do it.

And then he had the platform. Because he was famous at the time, and he was doing... And look, it cost me. I got banned from the store. I lost my agent, and I was famous. I was on Fear Factor. I was rich. I had a lot going for me where I could stick my neck out.

But you came back stronger. I'll give another example, the same situation with Dave and Comedy Central and shit. As much as he went through that, he took a twelve-year hiatus or whatever you want to say.

What Dave showed in that is that he's a real artist. Dave just said, Fuck it. I'm going to disappear for a while like a legend. He just disappeared. I remember when I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows where he would set up a speaker in Seattle in the park and just start doing stand-up and people were like, What the fuck? And for no money. People would just show up and he would just do street performances.

But you know what was where he got it from? You've heard of a comment, I'm pretty sure of it. Charlie Barnet?

A hundred %. Yeah, we played Charlie Barnett on the show. I knew Charlie.

Charlie was like, If you ever thought you were funny, whatever, go. This is what the art of... The only people I've ever known that got certain level of success were Charlie Barnet, Michael Collier, when he used to live in his beach. Right. But people don't understand how Charlie Barnet To go to a park, go to the center of Washington Square Park.

And get to gather around a bunch of people in a circle.

It's a certain technique. Not only that, you got to hold their attention for one joke. You got to get them involved, and you build this audience up, and then it's really for one joke.

A lot of people don't know that Charlie got Saturday Night Live, but he couldn't read.

Yeah, he couldn't. And that's when he opened up the door. But he was so gangster. When they wouldn't give him spots because he was probably a bit to deal with, he would go to the Boston Common Cup and yell in there, Don't go in there. I'm doing my show in five minutes. The whole fucking club would come out. That's how much power he had. But But then sometimes that we become victims of our own vices and everything and destroy us more than anything. That's why when people talk shit about Kevin Hart didn't get out the mud, you got funny, but you know funny isn't everything. You're funny, that's not... Oh, so good that you got talent. But more importantly, it's your work ethics. And how do you take your God-given talent and your passion and turn it into money? You know you're music and everything, you probably could name a million saxophonists or whatever that didn't get to do that. You could be like, well, listen to this shit. But for some reason, they didn't have the business part and all that together. And I'm going back, I'm probably talking in circles now, but this is what upsets me the most about my folks or whatever, these people that go on these platforms and talk shit about people.

There was a comedian that was talking shit about Martin Lawrence, right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence, and Martin Lawrence in the casino No, it's not that funny. I'm like this, motherfucker, he's Martin Lawrence.

Well, they didn't know him in the '90s.

I used to have to follow Martin Lawrence at the Comedy Store. No, this person, particularly, no. If you just know Martin Lawrence, period, that's enough. Richard Prior, before he passed away, when he was in the wheelchair, damn near rolled him out on the stage, sold our audiences.

I followed him for six weeks. I followed him for six weeks at the Comedy Store when he was like that.

Certain people, Joe, I look at this business are made people. How dare you talk shit about this motherfucker. That's a good way to put it. He's a made man. Another thing, Joe- A legend. You know, in this business, you can have a career, right? But you have certain times where you just ruled. You had three years. Martin Lawrence, film star, movie star, comedy star. He had one period of time for five or seven years when it was just Martin everywhere. How dare you, as a person gets older, and whether he has a good, bad night or a bad night, how are you to judge? And you ain't doing shit. How are you to judge a motherfucker that when I was coming up, Joe, every fucking Black comic in the business wanted an audition. Everybody wanted to be hustle, man. Everybody wanted to just get two or three minutes on Martin show because they knew that would do their career. So you judge a motherfucker, years down the road, right? Where they basically... When Martin goes out, guess what? Martin not doing no tour saying, I'm doing 45 minutes. He was like, Y'all want to see me?

Guess what? Y'all going to see this young talent. You're going to see person. I'm putting people on. How dare you even have come out your fucking mouth and talk shit about this motherfucker? How dare you talk shit about motherfuckers and talk shit about Kevin Hart? How dare you talk shit about a motherfucker that was rocking with a dude, Nate Smith, RIP, passed away. I I remember when Kevin Hart was the one of the motherfuckers doing those comment cards. All right, I'm doing email list. I remember when Kevin Hart had fucking 20,000 people on Instagram, no, on Twitter, and at a radio, he was like, Yo, D, this is a problem. I've seen the hard work. I see him not just come to fucking New York and do the Black rooms. I'm doing the Black rooms, I'm doing the White rooms, I'm doing all this shit. How dare you? I'll just say this, and I'll answer this. It ain't no B for nothing. This is what Cat Williams said about Kevin Hart. How I find it very strange that you just come from New York and then you have a TV show and a movie show.

And how does that happen? You were in New York. I'll tell you how it happens. You're on the biggest showcase in comedy. And you know what that is? Jfl. Just for laughs. Kevin Hart was a product of that. Monique was a product of that. Dave Shapet There was a product of that. No, Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the streets in LA, but he happened to be on a showcase. Back in the day, you do a JFL, it was motherfuckers leaving there. They'd probably have $500 in the bank leaving with a quarter million dollar development deal just to do nothing. That's the error it was. I remember. So just because you weren't in LA doesn't mean you weren't beating the pavement. And I don't care. In LA, you got LA and New York. Nobody, as a stand-up comic, grinds as hard as a comic coming from New York, opposed to LA. And the reason why LA don't have that many stages. La don't have that many stages. They tell you all the time, as a stand-up comic, if you're trying to be an actor, whatever, go to LA. If you want to be a great stand-up comic, bang it out in New York.

And this was the rule back in the day, Joe, let Hollywood call you. You just don't go to LA to sleep on somebody's couch. Some people had that story, but it was like you grind. And back then- Everybody's got their own path, though.

You could do whatever the fuck you want. It's just work on your act.

That's the point that I'm making.

Yeah. It's just everybody's got their own path. The real problem in this conversation is what I said earlier. It's worrying about what other people think. The more you spend time worrying about what other people think, the less you're worrying about what you're doing. The less you're thinking about what you're actually trying to achieve.

I listen to what you're saying, and I don't listen to what you're saying. And the reason why I say that every time I go into this rabbit hole or whatever, it's the echo. It's like a rogue angel right here and is whispering, Don't read the comments.

Yeah, but I'm right.

I still read them.

I know. You shouldn't.

But I'm stopping. But this is another thing. What I didn't know is that white comedians actually have beef with each other. I did not know, or at least you don't hear about it.

It's rare. It's more rare. And the ones who have beef are usually failures. They're usually people that aren't doing well. Idoing well.

That's your example? Okay. I'm exposing the industry right now. I'm not exposing. I have an example. It's so funny. And this was interesting. I was at the Comedy Store.

Oh, you told me this?

This is so fucking funny to me, said about two months ago, right? I'm good friends with Bill Bur. We had the Rich Bitch Tour with Charlie Murphy, me, Bill Bur, years ago. And I know Marc Maron, right? I don't know. What I found out is I didn't know Marc Maron the way white people know Marc Maron, right? So I know Marc Maron. When I see Marc Maron, I was like, Oh, that's the guy that had one of the greatest podcast out. That guy that was one of the alternative comedy favorites. Marc Maron's special. So when I see Marc Maron, I I have a certain level of respect. Like, Oh, that's the guy who did it, whatever. So I was doing an Annie Letterman's show, Annie Wood or whatever, right? And I love that girl. And I'm in a green room and I'm smoking a joint. I forget who sponsored this weed, but it was incredible, right? So I'm in here and I'm crack of jokes. Bill is right there, and then Marcus over by the side of the door. And I'm crack of jokes with Bill and everything. And I felt something didn't... Nobody was really laughing in my jokes, right?

That all of a sudden, a whole fucking argument popped And it was white argument because it was so nice. They were so gentleman to each other. It was a whole bunch of, Oh, yeah, but you'll never do my podcast. It was like podcast beats. I'm right in the middle. I don't even know. I didn't even know that they had beef like this, but they were so gentle about it. But I tell you the difference between white beef and Black beef, I never felt that I was going to get shot. Yo, I felt so safe. If anything, I thought it'd be like Lawsuits the next morning, defamation of character, slander. But I never knew that it was fucking Caucasian beef like that. But this is an example. And it was entertaining.

This is an example. Mark Maron was doing really well at one point in time in his career, and now he's not. So Mark Maron had the number one podcast, and after a while, his podcast wasn't even in the top 200. It dropped off. Bill Burr, his careers took off. He's doing arenas. He's killing it. Mark's not. And Mark finds reasons to criticize other people that are doing much better than him. And he focuses on that because he thinks he should be getting more than he deserves.

But do you think that's going back to being a provocateur? He knows if he talk this shit people are engaged.

No, I think it's going back to being bitter and jealous and thinking about other people instead of thinking about himself and why people don't want to go see him anymore. He was upset when we left the Comedy Store because we took the crowds away. And it's like, Hey, you were on the fucking marquee, too, man. They're not coming to see you. And the reason why they're not coming to see you is because you're not doing well. And your podcast was in the top. It was number one. And when it was at number one, by the way, that's what I always say about Mark Maron, he was great. Mark Maron was fun to hang out with when he was killing it because he was happy, because he was getting validation, because he had the number one podcast. We were friends I did his podcast, he did mine. We had a good time. I'd hug him when I see him. We had gone back and forth many times having beef with each other. Let me finish. His problem was when everybody else started doing really good and he started dropping off. That's what happened.

This is what I understand. Why can people understand that you have a moment?

Because he's a fucking narcissist, and he wants the moment to always be around him. He wants it to always be about him. And when other people are doing better than him, he wants to talk shit about them. And that's where Bill had a problem with it.

You think being a Narcist in this field is a bad thing? For some reason, I think that fuels you to be the person that you are, to be determined to do it and not give a fuck about what nobody thinks.

Well, having self-respect and having an ego Where you care about what you put out, yes, that's a good thing. But making it all about you and not being able to appreciate other people's work is crazy because other people doing well can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better yourself. And that's a positive thing. And if these people are your friends and you love them and you care about them, you should be happy that they're killing it. And if you're not killing it anymore, you should try to figure out why. Because it's not like the door is not open. It's not like you're not getting on stage. It's not like you're not putting out specials. You should probably figure out why your podcast dropped from number one to not even in the top 200 anymore without anything happening. You didn't get arrested. There was no scandal. There was nothing crazy. You should try to figure that out. And he doesn't do that because he's instead bitter, bitter and jealous. He's always been like that. I didn't know that part. It's a story about Jon Stewart. And Andrew Schultz came on the podcast and told a story about Jon Stewart and Maron, where Maron confronted Jon Stewart, where Jon Stewart got on television show.

He called him a fucking sell-out. He yelled at him, all this different shit. Jon Stewart left the show, and Then they hired Maron to do the same show. The same show that he was calling John Stewart for being a sell-out.

How did you go from that to... Okay, for you to have one of the biggest podcasts, at some point in your career, you had to be likable, or you think people just wanted to do this show because it was a platform?

There wasn't very many podcast back then. The thing that killed Maren's podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the beginning of his podcast that's not entertaining. I don't think it's good. The rant was long, and he would just ramble about himself He was very self-obsessed, and I just don't think it was good. And I think that was part of the problem. It's also the problem was how he interviewed people. He had a very confrontational interview style, specifically with some comedians that he felt like were below him or that he could pick on.

You would think that that style would work in this day and age?

No, people don't want always to be uncomfortable. They want to like you, man. They want you to be a good person.

People want train wrecks.

They want train wrecks for 15 second or 30 second Instagram clips. They don't want train wrecks to be their primary thing they're listening to when they're in traffic on the way to work.

But the people that host these podcasts now, I think people go on these podcasts now and like this, this is going to be clickbait. We're going to go viral. Some of them.

Yeah, but they're not that talented. That's why they're doing it, is because that's their only method of getting attention. If they were entertaining and interesting and fascinating, then their podcast would be about that. You know what? It's all in what you're trying to focus on. What I try to focus on on my podcast is who do I want to talk to? I never have someone on and go, Oh, this would be great. It'll be very controversial. People will fucking hate them. It'll be crazy. They'll say wild shit. I never do that. My podcast is only about who do I want to talk to? That's why I have a lot of people on that aren't even remotely famous because they're interesting. I find them interesting. I find with the book they wrote interesting, the documentary they made interesting, I want to know something about them. It stimulates my curiosity.

Do you think that there's going to be a shift? Do you think that these salacious interviews, these interviews with the provoctor, you think that- I don't think about it.

That's my key. I don't think about it.

You know what's so funny? I want to say this. You know what's funny about what you said? That I was with Dave a while ago, and he echoed the exact same thing, and I was having this conversation with him. He said, D, I don't even think about that shit.

Yeah, don't think about it. There's other things to think about. I've said this too many times. If people heard this before, I'm sorry. Think If you have your focus and your attention like a number. Think of you have like 100 points in a day to spend on things. If you spend 30 of those points thinking about haters or 30 % thinking about bitter people, 30 % thinking about other people that are doing better than you. That's 30 % that you robbed from the 100 % that you have to focus on your life. I have things to do, man. I have a family. I have friends. I have loved ones. I have interests. I have hobbies. I have Comedy and podcasts and the UFC and all these different things that I like to do. And I think about those things. I don't think about negative, stupid things with people that have bitter, angry minds that are concentrating on other people's success and trying to tear them down all the time. Because they're trying to tear them down all the time because they compare themselves to them and they don't like how they stack up. They don't like the fact that person is doing better.

They don't like the fact that person is more successful. So they try to take things either out of context or they try to misrepresent who that person is. They try to change to change public perception of that person to try to drag that person down. And it's transparent. The reason why it doesn't work is because people inherently know what you're trying to do. It might get people, Oh, there's beef. Oh, there's beef. Those are simple-minded people that you're always going to attract, but you're not going to change people's opinions of things. It's a trick. It's a trap that you're playing on yourself. It's a waste of your precious resources. You only have so much time in the day. My time I spend on things that I think are interesting or beneficial or things that excite my curiosity. And I think that is the way I like to live my life. Now, if you like to live your life constantly engaged in beefs and being filled with anxiety and stress, and you want to do that, okay. But those are bitter fucking people. I don't want to be a bitter person.

In another life, could you have been a therapist?

Well, I majored in psychology for the brief amount of time that I was in college. That was what I was interested in. But I was doing that because I was fighting at the time, and I I was trying to figure out how to manage my mind. So I was trying to figure out the inner workings of the human psyche.

Do you think your success made you a more calm person to not give a fuck?

Well, it certainly helps, right? You don't have to give a fuck. If you have enough money that you could just disappear off into the sunset, never have to worry about money. Because a lot of people are always worried about money. And so you're always constantly in this state of anxiety, you're trying to get more. That helps. But it's also, it's like there's other things in life. I concentrate on my loved ones. I concentrate on my friends. I concentrate on things I enjoy doing, on fun. This life is short, man. You and I are 58 years old. We're more than halfway dead. Why would you spend time concentrating on people you don't like? Because one thing if someone's wronging you, it's one thing if you find out you have a business partner who's been stealing money or you have someone who's lying about you.

Shut up to Dane Cook. No, I'm just saying. His own brother stole from me.

That shit's crazy.

I know Dane is like this, yes, the fuck. Yeah, it's very interesting. And I'm at a place right now. I was with Jon Ham, San Francisco. And I had just did a show with Dave, and it was interesting. He said something to me. He's in the back and he's with his wife and me kicking in. And he used to come out to summer camp and everything, hang out with us. I don't even say we're super friends, but we have mutual respect for each other. And it was interesting because we're in the green room. And This is after I just slayed this audience or whatever, right? And I'm feeling good. And he said, Donna, what is it that you really want to do? He said, what is it that you want? I said, what question? He said, no, I mean, what is it? Is it TV? Is it a TV show? Is it movies? I was like, John, I'm doing exactly what I want to do. For me to be able to wake up, not have to work for anybody, call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care of my family, enjoy my friends and everything, and it's me connecting with a God-given talent.

Anything else is a bonus. I don't look at it like I need the private jet and everything. Certain things you're like, that would be nice, but I just look at what this life has given me, and I'm appreciative of that. I know so many people of my class, whatever, that aren't doing nearly as well as I am, or even the ones that are, that don't mean that they're happy. You know what I'm saying? So when he asked me that question, I didn't think any bad of it. I was like, this, I don't get caught up on looking at somebody, they got this, they got that. I like this. Am I happy? Am I comfortable? Do I get to do what I want? So whether I tell people all this all the time, whether I get another film opportunity, whether I get another TV show or whatever or any of that, I'm living what some people's dreams are. Yes. And it's not my dream, it's my reality. Yes. And I also had to realize this is so easy for us to do. You can be so connected with somebody. And even with my situation, with my connection with Dave and everything.

I'm a huge fan of Dave. He's given me great opportunities and everything. But at some point in my life, I had to say, you can't be caught up in somebody else's dream so much that you forget your realities. Am I My reality is, whether I'm alongside of him or what I'm doing, I got to continue to be down there, Rollins. I got to continue to support my family. I got to continue to do things that I do. And it's so easy. It's so easy for me to get caught. I'm like, I'm rolling with Dave. We on a jet. We're doing this type of shit. But then I'll lose focus on who I am. And I realized for me, and my career continues to go, when I know how to make that separation, I do have- Yeah, but the thing is, even when you're caught up with Dave, you still love him and you don't hate him at all.

You're not jealous of him. Not at all. You might get caught up in the wave because you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics that's ever lived. But it doesn't mean that it's a negative.

And you know another thing? Let me add to that. And I'm not blowing my own horn or whatever. You said one of the greatest comedians I've ever lived, All right. If a person had a conversation with Dave Chappelle, people could say whatever I'm wearing about people think. If you ask Dave who is in his top five comedians, my name is going to come up. So as much as people, they always talk They always try to pin me like blah, blah, blah, this and the other thing. I respect the fact that he respects me. I respect him. When we work together, we push each other. We make each other, whatever people want to say, we make each other better. And what other people I understand is that he's truly my friend. You know what I mean? It's not like I just work on a show, he's my friend. And even some of my fondest memories, especially when I come here, is when we was doing those fucking shows. When we was doing shit nobody was doing.

When we were doing those lockdown shows, that was fun.

That was wild times. We already have a community. We all have mutual respect for each other. But the thing that made us so special wasn't nobody doing this shit. That's what made it even... And really, one thing about the pandemic, it made you appreciate life a lot more than before the pandemic.

Yeah. It made you appreciate freedom.

Freedom?

Ability to do shows. Remember we did those shows outside and everybody was wearing a mask? It was so stupid. And they all got tested, too.

I had so much fun during the pandemic. I was almost embarrassed to show the pictures I wanted to show, like faceless shit. No mask. We would take pictures, and people was like, this, look at him. He could kill my grandmother. I'm like, all right, first of all, you did it. Dave did. I was like, People's like, this, oh, it must be nice to have rich friends to have testing machines. I was like, you're absolutely right. It is. It's beautiful. It is the most amazing shit ever. Dave Chappelle raped my nose for two summers in a row when we were doing the shows in the cornfields and shit. But this is what people don't understand. He took the opportunity. That village of Yellow Spring, he made it as safe as it could be. Like any place we would go, hotels, staff, everybody had an opportunity to get tested. And I remember this was very interesting. When the bubble we did, this was Bob Saget, R-I-P. We were doing these shows. And I think that before Bob passed away, when he came out to Yellow Spring, he was hanging out with Dave and us and everything, it gave him some incentive to want to go back on the road.

He was just We got really excited about doing it again. We did like 55 shows. The summer was over. The run was clear. We had no positives or anything. Dave extended the show another week, and that week was when the bubble popped, right? And now everybody's freaking out like, oh, my God. These same women that was people's coming out there when they were getting flown out in jets. They weren't getting traffic. But they've created an environment. He wanted his friends around. They We was going to restaurants. We will have the whole spot. We was just doing all this stuff. Nobody was thinking about the possible consequences of that. And I remember this one girl was like, Oh my God, I don't even know why I'm here. Then I looked at Dave, I was like, Yo, man, damn, we almost made it, man, through. He was like, Daniel, it's going to be okay. He said, You got to realize this is the reason why we test. When we first got our first positive, had we not been testing, it could have been crazy.

And we got a first positive because dudes went to do somebody else's podcast, and they didn't test. Remember that?

I remember that. I remember that because I remember that scene. It was so funny. Yeah, that was here. It was like something was different because we had one positive, and you remember That backstage was being packed out, right? It started to be lower and lower, right? It was basically like me, Sife Sounds. Somebody else was in the green room, right? And then Big Jay came. That's one of my good friends, Big Jay came back, and he had this look on his face like it's over, He came in there and I looked, I said, Boss, man, got it. He's like, Yep, right? And another thing Dave could have did, this is why I respect his character. He could have been, at that time, he could have just been in the mask, went on stage, went back out. He canceled the show. But the funniest shit, it's a hole at Stubs, Roman sold out, right? And then senior comes back, and seeing it was like, I need you to go out there and tell people that the show is canceled, right? I said, You don't need me to do that shit, nigga. Because the minute It's one thing, if I go out there, people will be like, Show starting, right?

And as a comedian, I'm not going to not tell jokes. And then I'm like, Oh, yeah, Dave, not going to show up. But the crazy thing about that, everybody at the Line Hotel, they was making jokes, Joe. They call it COVID Row, because we had the whole floor locked down, right? And everybody in our team got it. But it felt like an old-school chicken pock party. You know what I'm saying? We got it. We got it. What I tell you, man, what we did, everything was like, okay, make sure you had your vitamins, all that type of shit. But the beauty of it was we was like... People was testing out eight or nine days, right? So we thought he was going to leave. After a while, we was like, wait a minute. The next promo is going to be in 10 days. And for some reason, everybody went back to being negative. We closed and did more shows, and we got the fuck up out of here. But it was a beautiful time, man.

It was a beautiful time.

It was a fun time. It was a fun time.

But it was a fun time. But it was crazy.

And then we did that. What that fucking joint we did? It was in Tacoma?

The Superdome. That was wild.

That was 27,000? 25,000?

Whatever it was. We broke the Tacoma Dome record.

I never been in a place where the laughter was so hard. It felt like helicopters. It was crazy. It was crazy. It was crazy. This is what I respect about what you guys did. You got people saying they're doing arenas and shit, but normally- But that was pre-COVID, brother. It was pre-COVID?

Yeah, that was pre-COVID. That was before everything popped off.

What I will say about a real arena show, you got the arena show where a quarter of the venue is being used for stage, right? So it ain't the true capacity. But the shows you motherfuckers are doing, it was in the realm.

Right. Well, the wildest thing was walking through the crowd to get to the stage. Those were crazy times.

You've experienced this shit of that walk from your UFC shit? Man, I'm I'm so grateful for you guys, friendship and everything. And for me, it was so special for me because I didn't sell a ticket. Nobody else, no open. You and Dave sold those tickets, right? But the best feeling for me, Joe, was when I go out and DJ trauma and be like, you've seen them on HBO's The Wire, you've seen them on BMF, whatever. But simple line. But you fell in love with Ashley Lared, Shapel show, and them people fucking go crazy. I don't give a fuck if you've ever been in the fist fight in your life when you come through them tunnels. You doing this shit right here. You feel like Tyson. Like, just give me a robe. Just give me a tie. I'm about to go beat these motherfuckers up. And every show, there was no room for being okay. You had to be on your game every time. Yeah, It was a good time.

It was a good time. Well, that was when all that COVID shit went down with me, when CNN turned my face green. That was because of a Nashville show that we were doing that we had to cancel.

Yeah, I didn't know that.

That's what that was. Yeah, we were supposed to do a show that weekend, and I got COVID the previous week. And I was doing an arena with Tony in Florida, and I got COVID in Florida. And then I made that video on a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was the third day after I got COVID, where I got over it. And I was like, I feel fine, but we have to cancel the shows this weekend. And that's when all the shit went down because I took Ivermectin. That was those arena shows. I remember that.

He has to answer everything. If he don't have to answer, at least he's fucking trying to find it. It's so Well, whether or not I had the answer, the crazy thing is I was better.

I was already better. And they turned my face green on CNN. We got to see how crazy the media really is. They didn't want to hear nothing, but you have to take this vaccine.

And you have to do that.

And if you didn't take this vaccine, you're a part of the problem.

I just don't... As devastating as that time was, how was it just fucking Over now. Is it herd immunity? How is it just like- It's herd immunity.

It's also everybody got it, got it. You got immunity because of it. And then also whatever variants are still left, they're significantly diminished. That's how virus is generally- It's like a cold strand now, right?

Yes.

Well, that's how viruses generally go. They become more transmissible but less potent over time. Yeah, and that's what happened.

I'm going to tell you, there was a time, though, man. I even said, man, maybe it was Something like something about how people got along with each other. I was like, We should do once a year, just have a week of just lockdown. Yo, just so you can get in.

It makes you appreciate freedom.

That's for sure. It made me appreciate nature, bro. I bought a fucking house in Yellow Spring because I was like, You know what? Trees, woods. I don't know if the street can handle this, but I became a birdwatcher, bro. I watched birds. You know what that does my street credit?

What?

To know the difference between a Cardinal and a Blue Jay?

Is that bad?

It's not the most... Listen. It's a Blue Jay call. I can't be in the street talking about... It was good shit.

If you can't appreciate nature, that's whatever. That's a bullshit narrative. That's ridiculous.

Here's the thing. I didn't crash out today. I I'm going to crash out. I know people think I'm a crash out king. It's not that. Sometimes I just need to talk.

You mean on this show today?

Yeah. What did I?

No, you definitely accused Jamie of wearing a leather jacket.

Jamie did have a leather jacket. He had a leather jacket on, man. And I think he brushed his eyebrows, too. It was everything. I was like, I've never seen this sexy side of Jamie. He had a British accent. He was like, I think you want a book, your only shadow. I was like, who is this? He brushed his eyebrows. I was like, who the fuck is this person, man? It was something different.

We definitely went through something that most people will never experience in their life.

Nope.

And most previous generations never experienced it. Having a nationwide, worldwide pandemic that everybody freaked out, and we didn't. Not only did we didn't freak out, we did shows. We had a good time. We hung out together. Those after parties, when we go to the line, you had a DJ, we would laugh and laugh. We would laugh till 2, 3 o'clock in the morning.

We had so much fun. Girl, I was dating the time. She couldn't believe that she was like, I'll be like this. So what do you do? I was like, well, I was at the line kicking it with Dave and Joe. What was you all doing? Just talking and laughing until 3: 30 in the morning. They were like, Get the fuck out of here. You was fucking. No, I wasn't. We was just on some bro-hood shit. It was just really good. We had so much.

We also realized how special it was that we could do this while the whole world was locked I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to show pictures.

My mother would call me, You better be careful out there. I'm like, Man, I'm getting tested. We got tested more than probably anybody in the country. I got tested every day because I was doing podcast through the whole thing. I did your show during that one time. And then I sat down before I got the results. The last time I was here, he was like, Did he get the test? I'm like,. I'm like, Please don't come in here. Get this motherfucker out of here.

Well, we definitely had a couple of people that We had to get them out. And I tested positive once.

But the thing about it, taking those precautions, you could isolate it. You knew where it came and you shut it down. That's one thing. If you're not doing that, it's all over the place. Just think about it. Imagine if Jamie would have got COVID, then we would have never seen his sexy side now.

Jamie got COVID. He got COVID before anybody. He got COVID really early on when there was no vaccine, no treatment, no nothing. He had to take a whole week off.

Maybe that's why he has the attitude dude that he has. Yo, you all get all this sex.

But we did the Kanye podcast. You had COVID that week, right? Yeah. Yeah, he missed the Kanye podcast.

Yeah, but I'm sorry, Jamie. If you thought I said anything that was disrespectful to your character.

It was just totally false.

No, it wasn't. I'm telling you, that fucking ponytail tail. I don't know what the fuck he did about it that time.

Like a Steven Segal ponytail, like slick back.

And not only that, but he put his hair back like this. Almost like a A ditty party. That's how they start ditty parties.

Oiled up?

Yeah. I'm not going to say that because I was... Never mind. I never went to a ditty party. I have a photo, but I never went to a ditty party. Jesus Christ.

I think people are going to be wiser if something like that happens again. Could it ever happen again? Yeah, 100%. It could? Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of people that think they engineered that whole thing. They wanted it to happen. Because it's the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history.

Small business Businesses went down.

Big businesses got made more money.

Look what it did to Zoom. Zoom took off. I remember Zoom because I had a show in Naples, wherever I met this doctor that he wanted me to be on his podcast. And I was like, How are we going to do? He said, We can do it by Zoom. This was when it was only for business people. It was really the nerdy thing.

Yeah, that's what it used to be.

It used to be, but the pandemic, it blew it up. It was like, now Zoom is like, that's the best way. You don't want to talk When you're listening to somebody on the phone. They call you, Oh, I'm on a Zoom right now. It is so in everybody's household, and that shit blew up. So many businesses did the same thing.

Is anybody using that anymore?

Zoom? Yeah. They use it for an excuse not to talk to somebody.

Do they do Zoom podcast anymore? Do people do Zoom podcast? I never hear that term. It used to be things like, Oh, we're going to do it on Zoom. I don't hear that anymore. A few other platforms exist now. I don't even think people discuss it.

They had one was at Clubhouse, whatever, all of these things.

Oh, yeah. Clubhouse. Clubhouse This is a big one. That was a big one where people were essentially doing podcasts. Like, anybody could just chime in and talk shit.

People was getting a million followers in three days and shit.

Oh, yeah. There was a lot of that. And a lot of people thought that that was going to keep going. Clubhouse is going to be the new thing. I'm like, it's It was just bad podcasting.

And it's what? There was so many things. That battle, the diversest battles that they do now, when they have... Mostly it's been hip hop and R&B. I think it was... Who was it? It was Swiss Beats and Timberland, I think. They started this thing during the pandemic. It was versus, right? Where you have an artist versus another artist in a competitive type of situation. They didn't win anything, but it was just entertaining for everybody. And that went from... It was so low level. People was in front of their computers. It was freezing up and everything, but it was what everybody was doing. Now, that's one of the biggest things. Now, they did one at Madison Square Gardens. It's a big thing now when you want to... It's just like a competition. I think they had cash money and no limit records, but it's very... I don't see no white versus, but it's a popular thing, and it started because of the pandemic.

Well, so many businesses started during the pandemic because a lot of people got laid off, so they started their own business. A lot of online businesses. Business has started. A lot of people quit their jobs because they realized, look, they could just take this shit away from me at any minute. Why am I doing something that I hate when I thought there was security in it? There's no security in it. I'm going to start my own business.

Also, even like you, you're an example of what It happens when you finally realize that you don't need Hollywood the way it used to be.

No. Well, we figured that out a long time ago. We figured that out when the podcast started kicking off in the early 2010s. I realized that. I was like, I don't need TV shows anymore. We figured that out in 2013, 2014.

Hollywood is not like... It used to be. I'm a very old-school guy, but I remember when When I first started, you couldn't make it in this business. You had to be in New York or LA. There was no producers going to. If they wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio, there was no way. This was big.

Well, there's no comedy communities outside of New York and LA.

No, not at all.

Not a real community. There might have been a good club that had some... Denver always had good opening acts, good community.

Comedyworks was responsible for that.

But it wasn't a real hub like Austin is now. And that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic.

People wouldn't have moved. They wouldn't have moved. No. And you brought a whole community here. This place was always big for music or whatever, but there's no way anybody cannot agree with what you did and what you made it appealing to a lot of people is that you could go somewhere else, get a better quality of life and everything.

Lower cost of living, better quality of life, no traffic, nicer people, and no Hollywood bullshit. The problem with the LA is always going to be poisoned by the idea of going there to become famous. That whole idea was permeated in the culture of LA, and that Fame was the number one commodity.

But back When it was, that was the case. It was the case. But the problem is that's bad for art.

That's bad for your ability to produce shit. I mean, you got great comics that came out of LA, but that was in spite of what LA had to offer. It wasn't because of. Whereas Austin, the main reason people come here, first of all, is Kill Tony, because like you said, Kill Tony is one of the rare places where you can be a comic that's been doing comedy three, four years, even just start now, but you got some talent. You can have a fucking career, a real career, and it'll launch. Look, you got Cam Patterson who's on SNL right now. You got all these people like William Montgomery, David Lucas. They're killing it on the road, selling out everywhere they go. Ari Maddy. I mean, they have a real career now because of Tony.

But you know another thing that they don't understand is like, this is what I say, and I use you as an example.

Whenever you hear about somebody saying that they want to do a podcast, the first thing, a certain name is like, I want to be Joe Rogan. And I said this before, nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan fucking 25 years ago. They didn't want to put the work in. They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built. They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work. Even with Kill Tony, the fact that during the pandemic, when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart, we don't know when we're going to do it. He dug deeper and figured out a way, I'm just going to continue to do it. Nobody ever respects the journey. And if you think about it, Joe, and you probably the same way, most successful people, and I know some very, very wealthy people, right? And when they talk about their career, whatever, they hardly ever talk about the yacht. They ever talk about the fucking mansion they got in Paris. You know what they talk about it was just me and my wife, and we drove a Toyota Corolla, and we was down to our last 10 bucks, and she did this.

That's the most interesting part of the story for most successful people. People don't understand that.

Right. They only think about where you got to. I want to get to there, too. They want to skip everything.

I hear people right now. I want to be like, stand up. I'm like, all right, well, no. When I was doing HBO's The Wire, this guy I knew I grew up with. He was like, This motherfucker said, Yo, D, what's the number to the wire? I want to call him. I want to be on the wire. Like, there's a wire. Hey, is this David Simon? Yeah. I could be Omar. They know. I was like, And guess what? If I knew the number to the wire, I'm not giving it to you. I'm not giving it to you. I want you to get that busy signal. That's what it's. Nobody ever wants to respect the grind, and everybody wants the rewards of the grind.

It's not everybody. It's just people that are missing it. They're not getting what it's all about. Kill Tony is a great example of that. I was there in the early days of Kill Tony. When Tony started out in 2013, there was no one in the crowd. There was no one there. It was a small show. You'd have a few comedians. I was doing it back before I was back at the Comedy Store, but I was still banned. So I was doing it from the Icehouse. And he didn't do it thinking it was going to be the number one show in the and he was going to be on Netflix. And he did it because it was fun to do and he wanted to do a great job, and he wanted to make it better every week, and he kept doing it and kept getting better at it. It's the same thing with this podcast. This podcast didn't make money for years. It didn't make any money for years. It cost money.

But the most successful people are the ones... Even when I first started doing comedy, right? I never... Do you have some communities that go out there like, I want to do comedy. I want to get the money. I want to get pussy off of it. When When I first started, the only thing I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to be good. I was like, If I'm good, all those other things that are rewards of that, they will happen. But I had to be good first. And here's the thing that I think, especially when you have these social media communities, whatever, the interesting thing about it, it's hard to tell somebody to work on their craft when they're getting all the perks of what the craft can present them at an early stage. It's hard to tell somebody that's only been doing it for two years, just making 50,000 or $100,000 a month off of monetizing something, they're like, this, you need to get better. Hello?

Well, they don't have to. Do whatever the fuck you want to do. If you just want to Do that, do that. And also, some of them are going to figure it out anyway. Some of them are going to figure out, I'm not getting better. I'll get better. Work harder at it. There's going to be people that don't figure things out no matter what you do in this life. There's going to be a bunch of people that have a distorted A clear perception of what success is all about and what you really want. It's always going to be that.

This is an interesting question. What is your definition of success?

Happiness. Happiness in doing something that you enjoy doing. It's something that's challenging.

So what is your definition of happiness?

Friendship, love, doing something I enjoy doing, doing it well, doing it better all the time, getting better at it, and struggle. You're always going to have some of a struggle. And that struggle, hopefully, is you trying to be better at the thing that you're doing. You?

What gives you... This is an interesting question. What gives you the incentive to always continue to want to perform? What gives you incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan and Friends when you could just sit back and fucking just do everything?

Because it's fun. It's fun. It's, first of all, the green room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the mothership. It's one of the funiest times I've ever in my fucking life. It's so fun. We have so much fun there. There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis and Tony. It's fun. I mean, it's community.

It sounds like you're trying to give me to change my fight.

We enjoy our times. You want to come on?

I got to come to Tuesday.

What are you doing tomorrow?

Come on, Dunnell.

What do you got going on tomorrow? Where are you headed back to Ohio?

No, I'm going to LA.

Do you have a show?

I got a son.

Okay, well, that's different. That's more important.

But I can just give him Roblox money. He'll be all right. He can see you on Wednesday. I'll give you some Roblox money. He'll be cool. Let me tell you, I might... Because, Cam, I wish I would have even thought about it before. But I might because I haven't had that experience.

Oh, calm down then. If you can. If your son's cool with it, do it. If not, there's always another time.

I can bribe him. You can book it another time. This is another thing about me being an older dad. My son is really the age. He could be my grandson. I don't have time to do all those instill values and morals and shit. I'm like this, Will Candy shut this motherfucker up? I'm like, Yo, let's go to McDonald's or whatever. But yeah, I'm going to say I would definitely consider that.

Consider it. But that's what I like. I mean, I'm just enjoying my life, and I like to do things that I find that are interesting and challenging. And I like to have conversations with interesting people. And I like the fact that people enjoy it still.

When I first met you, I already knew that you had the ultimate platform, right? And I never... This is me. And I don't know if this is what happened, but I was like, I never want to be like, Hey, Joe Rogan, I'm Daniel Ronson. So and so. And the only respect I ever wanted to get from my peers and people that were doing it was from the stage. I was like, if we ever make the connection, I wanted to be off of, Yo, this motherfucker is funny first. Not just like, hey, I rock with Dave. I think that was what happened. I used to spend time in it and I never... Even to this day, I I just look at the... I just want people... You can respect me as a man and respect my character, whatever. But at the end of the day, what I love to do the most is stand up. I want you to be like, yo, this motherfucker puts it work in, and then we can build everything off of that. That's the respect I want it. I want the respect from what I put in the work I put in.

People can acknowledge that, then that's what builds my relationship with you. It's built my relationships with all of these guys, Bird, all of these people that I fuck with now. It ain't because anything other than like, he's a dope comic, and then you can find out that I'm a good dude after that.

Yeah, it's that. And then after that, it's got to be like, are you cool? Is he fun to hang out with?

Right. Barry I said that one time. He said that in one of his podcasts. It's one of the things that separate who goes on the road or so and so is if you're a good hang.

Yeah. Oh my God. That's everything.

I don't know how many people quote Barry Kets, but I want to share this story. You might be the only one. You said probably the only one. But you said something earlier about undeniable, right? I remember when I first moved from DC and I moved to New York, I was doing the Chitlin circuit, the Black circuit. I was popular in the Black community, whatever. I was like, I don't think this is going to be enough. I want to do the mainstream stuff. I want to do these other things, right? And Barry Katz, Dave used to host this communite, this place called L Flamingos in DC, in New York. And Barry Katz saw me there one day. He was like, I I don't think I've ever seen a comedian that go in front of an audience that were ready to rip someone's head off and you could hear silence. That's the control I had with the audience. So we built a respect for each other. And I remember one time I was at the Comedy Cellar and he was there. And I knew that he was... Back then, whatever you want to say about him, nobody had a roster bigger than Barry Katz.

Back then in '97 or whatever, he had everybody. The list goes on. And I knew he was a fan of mine. And I said, Barry, man, I'm trying to work these clubs, these mainstream clubs, where I'm having a hard time getting in passing these clubs. I was like, Could you make a phone call or whatever for me? And he looked at me, he said, Donnell, he said, This is what you do. I'll probably do the worst. Everybody does a better Barry catch me.

You got to do Barry like this.

Yes. Okay, I'll try to get it.

He was like, This is what you do.

And slowing down. He said, Donnell, Just rip. Right?

He said. Yeah, be undeniable.

That's what he said. He said, I'm not talking... And I tell... This is advice I give people. They say, Why need so much? I was like, I'm not talking about have one good set and you have four bad sets. I'm talking about the consistency where every time somebody sees you go on that stage, you're blowing the roof off. And once you do that, if that manager is going to come to you, they're going to hear about it. That's one of the things that a lot of people try to skip. They're like, Oh, how was your set? It was okay, but I can't talk to you. Unless you just straight just destroying shit everywhere, then you got other shit to work on.

Yeah. And there's also a lot of people that are very delusional about how well they're doing because they want so much. They want it all to be about them. So they think they should have already had this. They should have already had that. Why don't I have a sitcom? Why don't I have a this? Why don't I have a that?

And I always said this is another thing. Even with these lineups, you do these shows, whatever. I always I'll say that you have time to have a defining moment. If you're in a room, right? And for some reason, the room is on fire, the club is on fire, everybody is ripping. You probably won't stand out as much as that night when every Everybody was bombing. You've seen rooms where everybody come back in and say, That crowd was weird. But then you got one motherfucker back there like this, I don't give a fuck what you all doing. I'm going to elevate this. Those are the times when you got to fucking stand up.

Yeah, but we used to see that all the time at the store, late night at the store in particular. Because the way the store works, the show starts at 8: 00 PM and it goes on till 2: 00 AM. And there's a lot of people that get there at 8: 00 PM that are like, tourists that are in town. And they sit there for the whole fucking show. They came to see the Comedy store. So by the time 12: 30 rolls around, fuck, they've seen everything. And so you get this lull period, and then someone will go up and just tear that fucking place apart. For 50 people.

I was so naive when I first started that we used to have open mics, right? And the open mic list would be like 25 people, right? And the guy that was running, they hated me so much because I used to talk shit in the audience and everything, and they would keep bumping me down, right? And my dumb ass never got mad, right? I was like, this, yeah, they want me the headline, right? 25 not comedians. I took that, I was like, yeah, except I didn't think about audience fatigue or anything. Oh, boy. I just was like, yeah. And it would be... But I'm telling you, I think that was one of the things that made me strong because-100 %. I was like, I'm going to do what the next person... There's one story. If you ask Dave Chappelle, one of the dopest sets he's ever seen, I just would happen to be a part of that. It was at the Hollywood Bowl years ago, about three years ago, right?

Was that when he got attacked?

No, that wasn't that. It was the year before. You know Jeff Wills Live Nation, right? Sure. So we're doing- Shout out to Jeff. Shout out to Jeff. We're doing a show. Hollywood Bowl is 18,000 people. So show starts at seven o'clock. Jeff comes up to me. He was like, Donnie, I got some good news and bad news. He said, What? He said, We're going to start on time. It's only but 700 people out there. Now, you imagine what 700 people look like in front of an 18,000 place. He said, There's only 700 people out there. He said, Well, I can let you start now or we can wait 10 minutes. I was like, Jeff, it's not like 17,000 people going to show up in 10 minutes. I said, Give me the mic now. Big ass stage. I jump off the stage. Dave and all these people in the green room. I jump off the stage. I go into the audience. I'm literally going to each person in the theater. And I'll get you a picture. You can answer this. I'm going to each person.

Why didn't they wait for the I want people to show up and sit down?

That's what I wanted to say, but they were just like, The show has to continue.

I don't allow that. I never allow that. I'll tell you another story. They've tried to do that before with me, and they say, We're going to have to pay more money if the show goes over. I go, Then the show goes over and we pay more money. Get the fuck out of here.

But for me, it was a moment because any other comedian, not any other, most people were like this, Oh, was nobody out there? So many excuses. I jumped off stage. I was like, No, I can't be up here. Looked like I'm about to be auction off. I go in the audience, I'm going to each joint, right? And I'm fucking killing 700 people in front of 18,000.

That's a great way to start a show.

But listen, and I'm like this, and here's the fucked up thing about this. Nobody's going to know about it because your fucking phones are locked up, right? Yo, it was a moment. Dave, everybody for the Green Room came out, right? And Dave told me to this day, he said, If I was doing a class on stand-up comment, he said, I would use this as example of owning up to it. And it was so crazy, man. It was crazy. I remember another time, I was working with... I think I was working with you. It was me, you, and Dave. And I think it was a time we was doing an outdoor theater, and it was supposed to be a break. It was supposed to be me. It was supposed to be, I think, you, Tony, or whatever, or something. Then it was a break, and then it was going to be me and Dave. But it was still daytime, right? Where was this? I can't remember the place. It was still there. Jeff, he came up to me. I was like, I already know. I'm going to have to go in there. And I literally had to perform until it started getting dark.

Oh, I remember this show.

And I was saying to myself, I was like, ain't no way. I was like, this ain't no way. They're giving Rogan. And it wasn't a shit. The audience people just hadn't come yet. I was like, I knew. I was going to even suggest. I was like, no, we had these two heads, right? And that was another example. Okay, you got to do what you got to do. And I had to go up there. It wasn't the spot that I expected or whatever, but I was like this, for the sake of the show. And I'm always like, what do we need to do to support this? And we had to bring it down. We had to buy some more time. And then by the time you got on stage, everybody was seated. It was dark.

It was dark. That was outside of San Francisco.

I can't remember exactly what time.

That was California. That was California. That shit was fun.

But I tell people all the time that I do slight mental. I was Man, it's certain times where you got to do what the next person is not going to do. You can't bitch about shit. And at the end of the day, you got to be a fuck. I know when I used to do these shows with Dave, I used to fucking get the shittiest time. We're at 30% capacity. I'm like, Man, half of these motherfuckers are not even going to see me. But I looked at it like this. Well, the people that's going to see me, they're going to remember it. And you just got to keep on going.

That's a good attitude. Yeah, that's healthy.

See, I feel like this-Very productive. This conversation is going to bode well with my mental health.

Yeah, I think so, too. Everything except the lies you told about Jamie.

You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to start taking fucking videos. I wish I would have had it.

Yeah, I wish you did it, too.

And the thing about it was- You would see like, oh, man, he didn't even have a leather jacket on. And he wasn't even talking to me. He was talking to me like, What is it?

I walked up, he didn't even know who I was at first. I'm not.

Guess why? Why didn't I know? I never knew. I was like, who is this fake-ass Jamie-ass motherfucker? It was almost like, remember when Family Battles, Hercel and then Stefan? It was two characters. They had the geeky Hercel, and then his alter ego, whatever. He was just this cool ass. He was the same person.

What ever happened in that, dude? Erkel? Erkel? Yeah. He's been around. What's that? Is he selling weed?

Is He was. And his weed is really good. He's got a weed?

Erkel Purple?

Purple. Purple. It's the best. He got this joint. He wrote in his like some type of Italian noodle, the spiral noodle. He used that as a filter. But also I spent a lot of time with him because he would come out to the cornfields or whatever. So I've been seeing him. He's got a talk show.

Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like... Is that him? Julia White? I heard Ergel got in great shape.

Yeah, but he's a good guy, man. But he's another one of those celebrities I know that want to do comedy but don't have the heart to do it. He said, No, don't do that. But he's a great guy.

It's hard to start out already famous. That's one of the things that I really respected about Charlie. Charlie was already famous when he was starting.

Do you know who started Charlie?

Who?

Me. Did you? And this is how it happened. When we were doing the Shapel show, it's safe to say nobody was really making money. You know in your contract, if your show just blows up, you got to stick to whatever you was getting for the contract. So we weren't making a lot money doing the show. But I was like, We're too popular right now. At that time, it was me and Charlie. It was Dave, me and Charlie, the biggest names on the show. So this was Mike Berkowitz, who's head of William and Morris right now. He was a young Asian at the time. He was coming up. And I was like, I told Jason, my manager at the time, Jason Steinberg. I said, Man, we got to do a tour or something. I was like, Yo, everybody's talking about I'm Rich Bitch. I was like, Let's do I'm Rich Bitch tour. He was like, it's a good idea. I said, Me and Charlie can do it. At the time, that was only a two-man show. Charlie didn't have no time or anything. And I was like, You know what? I want to do it. It was my idea.

I said, I want to do me Charlie. I said, We need another comedian. At the time, Bill Bur was not making a lot of money doing stand-up. And I'm not disrespecting, but everybody knew he was going to blow. But that was early on in the career. All Bill had to do was have a situation like he had in Philly. Everybody knew he was going to blow. So I said, Why don't we do a tour, me, Charlie, and Bill Bur? That shit will be hot. Charlie had never did stand up. And I used to always crack jokes. I was like, Yeah, you talk a lot of shit. But once that microphone, your ass, you're a bitch ass motherfucker. So Charlie was a guy like, Don't threaten him with anything, right? So this one, they had the Laugh Factory in New York, the Times Square, right? One of my friends was doing a show there. I was like, Charlie, we're going to do this tour. You got to at least have 10 minutes. At that time Charlie was so hot. People would have just yelled out Charlie Murphy for five minutes. He was the MCAP. We just needed his face to be there.

And it would be Charlie, Bill Bur and myself. And Charlie had no jokes. And like you said, I was like, maybe I don't know if you guys understand how it is to be selling out as an open micer.

Crazy.

And he had to get his voice. And I was like, why did he never do this? But part of it was because he probably never wanted to be compared to his brother. He never wanted to be able to like, that's his brother. And he had His Own Style or whatever. So we did this fucking tour for a year. And then I saw him start to grow. Sometimes he took some hits, but he became Charlie Murphy. He became like, I'm not my brother. I'm a storyteller. He stuck to that shit. And the one of the things that I would say that I really appreciate about what the Chapelle show gave to Charlie Murphy, when Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died. They said Charlie Murphy passed away. So that show didn't do... And when I tell you one of the most stand-up original guys, all of those stories, was it true? He told that was just part of the story. Me That day, me, Charlie, and Bill built a relationship. We did something that was spectacular. But Bill Bird used to fuck with us. And I'm going to tell you one of the things he would do.

We would be on the road, and all we used to was arguing a fight and just fuck with each other. Bill Bird, he did some fucking, I don't want to call this racist or whatever, but whatever. It was very Bostonian, okay? I won't say. But when he did, I didn't know two years later, Bill Bird, when we meet up, He would buy a fucking twelve piece of Popeye's chicken, right? And he knew me and Charlie would devour that chicken, and we would be in a sleep coma, right? The next 15 minutes. And it was almost like he gave us sleeping pills and shit. He would get us a chicken, we'd be knocked out, and then he'd just go and just laugh at us and shit. But that time, that was such a great time because you saw people's careers being born. Bill was already on the trajectory to be great. You know what I'm saying? But at that time, and this is when I say the stories that you remember, I'm pretty sure Bill still remembers. This was the first time that he was making regular good money every week. You know how it is for be a fucking headliner that's doing a weekend or they give you a deal $2,000, and then you get a $500 bonus when you sell or give away 300 tickets.

And you're not working every weekend.

And you're not working every weekend. And then you got club on. It's like the bonus is supposed to be at 300, and they'd be like, Couldn't give me that bonus. You was at 298. I'll be like, Motherfucker, I could have bought those. And they lied, too. They lied to it.

They lie about how many tickets you sold.

They lied to it. And then they wonder why when guys become big and everything, they don't want to come back because I I remember that.

Oh, I remember that. There's a couple of club owners that they can go eat shit.

I'll never wear a suit of them again. And I tell people all the time, when everybody talk about this, I was like, Yo, try this. Try doing a fucking tour for a year and a half, and every night you had to come behind Bill Burr. I had no days off. And I knew when I had a day off, I wasn't hitting on all cylinders because that's when they used to have comment cards, right? The comment card was like, I don't know why the white boy didn't go last night. But that always kept me in shape. You know what I'm saying? It's like this, you don't got no time to flail around because Bill was one of those comics. Bill did the mainstream shit, and he was one of the only white dudes who would do the fucking most grimey spots ever. I'm pretty sure he's always going to be a great comic, but I think that that helped build his character. I think that was probably what made him be in a position when he go to Philly like, Yo, fuck you all. I just did Donnell's fucking hood Club in Brooklyn. If I could handle that, I could handle that.

Well, that rant in Philly was because he was doing the Opey and Anthony tour. So when Opey and Anthony, their crowd were brutal. Their crowds were fucking brutal.

They was kill Tony's before kill Tony's. Way worse.

That they had fed into that crowd. They fostered that crowd. They called them the Pests.

Even Going back to what I was saying, in this career, sometimes you have situations to have a defining moment. And that was one of those things. I'm pretty sure everybody went on before Bill was throwing a towel, and he was like, Fuck that.

But Bill was built for that. What happened was, Dom Herrera went on. And Dom Herrera is a legend.

How's he doing, man?

He's hurting. Yeah, he's hurting. He's got whatever that neurological condition is. It's not good. I don't want to speak out of turn about his health, but it's not good. But they booed Dom. They were just rough. They wanted you to fail. And Bill went out and go, Fuck you. And he just went into this crazy rant.

You know who else had a moment like that? Who? Bernie Mac.

Did he? Oh, on Def Jam? Yeah. I ain't afraid of you motherfuckers.

You know how that was born?

Why?

First off, Martin Lawrence was the host, and that night, everybody was taking licks. And there was a comment from DC named Butch Burns. He was very popular in DC. Butch Burns went on stage and bombed so bad. Motherfuck was throwing shit. There was nothing that Martin could do. You know how sometimes you try and you're like, just you're on your own. It's like, Hoop-de-doo. So Butch Burns had bombed. The room was going crazy. Martin couldn't do anything. Next on deck was fucking Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac saw Butch Burns on the way out, and he told him, he was like, Listen, man, hold your head up, man. He The sun might not shine on your day, but you'll have another opportunity to shine. And the reason, he didn't plan on, I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. And then Bernie had a situation to go through because Bernie was on Def Jam before. He dressed in a suit and everything. He was looking like a Chicago player, but he didn't think that he connected with a young audience like that. So you even watch the way he was dressed from the previous show to the next one.

The next one, he had more of a hip outfit, had graffiti on the jeans. He was dressed up for that part of it. No idea. I didn't scared of you motherfuckers. He did have the energy that he was going to do, the connection he was going to have with the DJ, right? But what made it so explosive is that he said, Fuck you all. He said he did his joke, and then that's That's why you hear like, why was he saying, I ain't scared of you motherfuckers? It was because of the other shit. He said, I ain't scared of you motherfuckers. He said, What did he say? And it was such the most simple stock jokes. It was so powerful. So powerful. So powerful. The rhythm that he had and the fact that you knew that something was special would happen. That's why that fucking audience looked, was so fucking charged up because he said, Fuck you all.

I saw Bernie Live once at the Comedy Connection in Faneu Hall in Boston.

I remember that club.

He was on fire.

He was so powerful. First time I saw him at Comedy Connection at Greenbelt. I used to do this club, and it was a couple of people that come through, and I was these motherfuckers on the next level. It was him. Another person that was like that was George Wallace. Oh, yeah. Another person that was like that, Rich Voss. Oh, yeah. First off, I do George Wallace on the next level. I've never seen nobody go to the Comedy Club, and the deal he had was 100% of the door. Everything. You just get your drinks, your chicken wings, 100% of the door. They had to give it to him. George Wallace, he was... George Wallace has always been an older dude, right? Somebody said, his thing It was your mama jokes, right? Somebody had did a mama joke, and motherfucking George Wallace ripped off about 30 mama jokes. I felt so bad for him. And then Rich Voss fucked me up because I'd never seen a white comedian perform in this club. It was a Black club. Rich Voss came in here. He had a ponytail similar to Jamie's, right?

He had Jerry Curls.

No, Rich Voss had a ponytail. It's the same one that Jamie was wearing. It was Rich Voss's, right? And I saw Rich Voss go in there and destroy this crowd. I was like, This white dude don't know what's going on. And he fucking killed that shit. We talk about jokes stealing, right? I stole one joke in my life, and I apologize to Rich Valls. I was doing a show, and none of my jokes worked. I tried everything. I tried everything, and I said to myself, What joke have you heard? I didn't mean to steal Right? I borrowed it, okay? I said, What one joke you know that fucking will kill this audience? And Rich Voss used to have this joke. He said, You know what they say, once you go Black, you never go back. He said, Yeah, because your father won't let you back in the house, right? I stole that joke. I got him laughing. I got him back on track. And then I had to call Voss. I said, Man, I'm so sorry, bro. I said, It's going to get back to you, but I stole the joke. He was like, No problem with it.

Well, at least you admitted it.

Yeah, I did.

All right. I think we accomplished a lot.

This was therapy for me.

I think it was good for you. Stay out of the comments.

I'm going to stay out of the comments.

Remember that podcast we did with Riza?

No, don't do that. They still talk shit to me.

I grabbed you at the end of the podcast and said, That was great. Don't read the comments.

Exactly.

That was a long time ago. I've been giving you that advice for a long time.

You did tell me, Don't. But the part of that story people don't know is that I did my podcast early. I hadn't seen my son in two and a half weeks. I was on a roll. And I came straight there, straight to the podcast to do it. And then you was like, Yo, you want to hang out? This is what people don't know. This is the side you don't tell them. You invited me. You invited me. I did invite you. You did invite. You said, Yo- I thought it would be fun. You said, The Riz is going to come, right?

Well, we were having a good time. We did a podcast together. We were hanging out, and I said, Are you going anywhere? I'm doing a podcast with Riz next. You want to hop on?

I thought it would be fun. I thought it would be fun. It was. It was fun. I would like to tell my side of the story.

We already did. We've done this many times. Every other podcast we do, you tell your side of the story.

I'm never going to say this again, Joe. I was going to leave, and I was like, Man, fuck, Wu-Tang, man. I'm going to sell my son. And I'm leaving out. And as soon as I get ready to get in my car, the Risa comes out and this motherfucker said, What's up, Ashley, Larry? And I said, Fuck my son. I'm fucking with the Wu-Tang, right? And I didn't, but it was a good time. It was fun. But people don't understand this. Before we did that, Risa said, Yo, yo, bang, bang, bang. I got this idea, right? I said, What? He said, I'm going to do these jokes. They're going to be... He was trying to pitch jokes. He was on jokes. And I was like, Please don't do that. I was like, Please don't do that. And we sat down and, of course, it went... I had a good time. But people was like, You just ruined it. You ruined it for Rizla. You just ruined it. But shout out to the rest.

It was fun.

It was a good time. It was fun. And thanks for whenever I call you, let me... I can't even tell people anything other than, yes, I'm on tour. Go to donairrollins. Com, get tour dates. All right. And here's my shit. A joke could be too soon, but it never could be too soon for a funny observation. And that's what you're going to get when you come to my show. All right. Thank you, sir.

I appreciate you, brother.

I'm taking this gum with me. Jamie, stay sexy, son.

Stay sexy. Bye, everybody.

(tatiana) Aber was ich noch erzählen wollte: Meine Nichte kämpft sich ja ganz schön das Studium. Semesterbeitrag, Laptop, Bücher, Software, Handy, Internet.

Ey, so ein Master ist echt teuer. Ach, sag ihr, sie kann sich das zurückholen.

Ja, du meinst von der Steuer absetzen, ne? Aber sie verdient ja nicht. Egal. Zauberwort Verlustvortrag.

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