Transcript of Who Ya Got: Mike Tomlin or Sean McVay? | Hour 2 New

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Have you guys figured out—

Twice a week, you said twice a month.

Twice a week, excuse me.

Uh, have we figured out yet, uh, how to do the imaging correctly on Michael Wilbon and the unpredictability of Michael Wilbon's opinions?

Dan, we are so ready to cook with this segment. Last time, our third time, you know, third time's a charm. We nailed it. So we're cooking now. We're rolling.

Uh, all right, let's do it.

Time to play a new game. It's sweeping the nation. It's called Guess What Michael Wilbon's Response Will Be to This?

What'd he say?

Shocking Opinions. Unexpected answer.

You know about those answers.

Shocking revelation.

You know about those revelations.

I can't believe he said that.

What'd he say?

Today's clip, Dano. What does Michael Wilbon think of the way ESPN promotes his show?

So do we get to guess though? Do we, uh, like, how does, how does this work?

A new wrinkle!

I don't think you know how this game works.

We were cooking.

No, but I think I'm—

Burn the food!

Let's slow it down.

We run the risk of him guessing exactly what he thinks and rendering the clip moot.

I don't think—

I think that that's the exercise that we're doing.

If we can correctly guess it, then it makes fun of how long that intro is.

But then it makes it predictable. You know, Dan made me think when he said, have we figured out how to execute this yet?

I think Dan is just falling for some fantastic imaging, because in that imaging you're thinking we're about to be shocked. The whole thing is it's very predictable, Dan.

I know.

And so if we predict it correctly each time, we're illustrating—

Let's try it.

Let's try it out. Maybe Dan made the game better.

Dan, guess.

I don't think he feels like they've ever gotten enough promotion.

All right, let's run the clip and find out together.

You watch a lot of promos of this network, of all the shows on this network, and you'll never see mention of this show. There's a, there's a phrase where I'm from that I'd utter, okay? Starts, starts with an F and ends with a U. That's how I feel. I'm from the South Side of Chicago. I got a chip on my shoulder every day. And you want to ignore this show? Really? Go ahead.

But then ignore it.

Don't watch it. Turn the channel. I don't care. But the promotion— you can go, go on, go on your ESPN app.

Stephen A says McAfee says Stephen A says—

you won't find a mention of this show.

So I got it right.

You nailed it.

But what if I had said I'm from the South Outside of Chicago.

What if I'd thrown that in there?

Yeah, it's a big one. Goes to that one.

I think they're celebrating 25 years this month. Uh, I don't—

I'm just learning about this because I've never seen— I've never seen the show promoted.

Couldn't we make the argument, Zaslav, that that's a Mount Rushmore sports show of all time? Like, of course, top 4 all time.

I remember the first time I saw the show, I was blown away. And I'm looking at— hold on, they're telling us what the topics are gonna be that they're gonna talk about? Blown away.

They invented that on cable television. That wasn't done before that. I remember also that first week the show existed and Boog said it'll never last. 2 sportswriters talking on television will never last. What else is on the list of—

if you have to go Mount Rushmore and you only get 4 Studio shows?

For all time.

I'm saying— there's only one from the studio shows that you're allowed to pick. I mean, I think maybe some of you will take College GameDay, but I think it's gotta be Inside the NBA. It's a surefire Mount Rushmore show for all time. But if I say HBO Real Sports, 29 years.

Yeah, it was a really good show.

SportsCenter has to be in there.

Outside the Lines.

I think if you put SportsCenter on there, Outside the Lines wouldn't end up making the cut if your standard is Inside the NBA. NBA, SportsCenter, Pardon the Interruption.

IMAX.

How do you end up saying something dumber than it's not out of the realm of possibility that Lane Johnson missed a game Sunday because he had become a ghost?

I think he's helping.

Are we doing the Wilbon thing correctly yet?

I don't know at this point.

Well, how do we feel about Dan guessing exactly what he was going to say?

I don't like when you get involved with that.

Okay, so let's all go around the room.

So how do you guys want anxiety?

Oh wait, no, I'm still guessing Lane Johnson's problem.

See, that's a good game. Guess the personal problem is a good game.

There, there is one time, okay, I, I'm doing this off of memory, so I don't know how accurate I am, but Barrett Robbins—

is it— that's his name, correct? Barrett Robbins, the center for the Raiders who missed a Super Bowl because he had had a mental breakdown before the game.

That's the only That's the only kind of personal problem that I think of when I think of an NFL player missing a game when the entire standard of what it is those guys believe is you have to be able to count on the guy next to you.

He will play through anything in order to be out there because we are brothers in arms in administering violence and we view what we're doing as sort of, you know, the equivalent of war when we start using our terminology on real estate acquisitions.

Messi just missed some time because his dad died unexpectedly. Sometimes players choose to be there for the birth of their children, which is really selfish of them.

Regardless, we will move on to other subject matter.

He wants to play that game so bad.

You notice that I do.

Well, it's just—

it's— you don't see it a whole lot.

What could be going on there?

My larger point is it's fairly rare when you only get 17 Sundays.

These guys are preparing all year.

for 17 chances. I'm not including the playoffs, but it's for 17 chances. They don't often miss things for non-health-related reasons. And usually there's not some sort of mental reason like anxiety for why it is that you would miss games.

It's a good game. It's going well, too. I have a question because they're showing this Josh Allen Um, incomplete pass. Um, did you see the, the, the, the throw that he tried to throw behind his back as he was getting pressured?

He's about to get a safety on him and he just like—

Yeah, he threw it underneath. Yeah, he chucked it underhanded but back underhanded, right? And everyone just accepted— I had it on mute, so I don't know if this was a discussion, guys. Everyone just accepted, oh, the arm was going forward, but no, it wasn't.

Yeah.

The arm was going backwards, Dan. The arm, it's going upwards but not forward. It is quite literally going in the opposite direction. There was not a receiver in the area. He was inside the tackle box.

But like, it—

like, conventionally, I can understand why, you know, if he was thrown with like a conventional throwing motion, he can escape that.

But they miss out on a sack. Shouldn't that be a fumble?

Think about it.

Shouldn't that be a fumble?

Think about it.

If you're throwing— tossing back underhanded a ball, that's not a pass. That's not the arm going forward. That should be a fumble.

Fumble!

Which way did the ball go?

It went forward. Backwards!

But he was throwing it backwards, but it went forward.

From where he was facing, it went backwards.

Listen to him.

Didier Fuentes threw 3 and 2/3 innings against the Dodgers in a win for the Braves. And the guy who started the game Worked at 7-Eleven 9 years ago.

That's not the ball going forward at that point. It's the ball going backwards.

Which way did the ball go, Dan?

The ball went over the line of scrimmage. That means it went forward.

Yeah, but he was facing the opposite direction and his arm was not going forward.

It was going backwards.

Listen to him.

Fuentes is also just 21.

Uh, the last 2 weeks of Josh Allen have been fun. Among my, uh, 51 observations last week was the play he made on 4th and 7 to help them win the game, which was him breaking out of a tackle and then just sort of flipping it forward to get 8 yards. And the reverse of that is what you saw yesterday from Josh Allen, where he somehow gets out of the sack on— I think it was—

was it 2nd and 15?

He gets out of the sack. No, it was going to be 4th down.

So it was 3rd and 15.

He gets out of the sack and I don't know how he got out of the sack.

The guy was draped on him and then he just chucks it downfield and gets double coverage.

Yeah.

I remember my analysis, which is as bad as any analysis that I have made on television or privately, honestly, where in a game against the Houston Texans, I saw Josh Allen throw into down deep down the field, double coverage to his fullback, like 40 yards downfield after running the opposite way, like 15 yards, if I remember correctly. It's hard to trust, you would agree, but it's so exciting when it works.

It—

he remains reckless, correct?

Yeah, but I mean, I don't think that's what comes to mind at first from everyone anymore. Like, he's, he's toned that down significantly.

Well, he's an MVP candidate, but I don't know. I think— I don't think he's actually toned that down significantly. I think he gets in trouble on it less than he used to, and some of that is random, but he's still reckless, as evidenced by the conversation we were just having.

Is that a forward pass when you throw it forward but you're throwing it backwards because your arm is going You're throwing it forward, but your arm is going backward.

It's going to be— when it does happen, and I'm not sure when it does, but when the sport catches up to him and he starts aging, it's going to fall off pretty sharply for him.

Put this on the poll, please. Was Josh Allen throwing the ball forward while throwing it backward?

Throwing it backward while throwing it forward?

I'm just going to say fumble.

Or fumble. It should have been fumble.

Okay, some people in the chat are saying that he was outside the tackle box. Okay, then here's my argument.

Fumble. Not a pass. The arm's not going forward.

But it's backwards.

If it's—

if it's—

Yeah, it's going forward. But it's going forward, though. Hey, which way is my arm going?

Forward.

Forward or backwards?

But forward if you're facing—

But it matters where the ball is going.

Matters where I'm facing. That's how you decide.

But your line of scrimmage is that way.

If I do this, is that a behind the back? Jokic, was that a behind the back pass or a forward pass?

It was a cross-court pass. It was a cross-court pass.

That's a behind the back pass. Behind.

He made the forward pass behind his back.

You can do that sometimes, but When you're facing that direction. If I'm facing this direction and I'm throwing it back, I'm just throwing the ball backwards.

Let's say you do it if the line of scrimmage is that way.

No, but it's got to be behind the line of scrimmage.

But it's a backward— my arm's not going forward.

So are you telling me if you're facing backwards but you throw the ball forward, that's not a fumble? Forward pass.

Which way am I throwing this pen?

Which way?

No, no, why don't you answer my question?

Which way did I throw that pen?

You threw it forward.

No, I threw it backwards.

This is me throwing it forward.

This conversation in the history of the sport is the only one we can have around Josh Allen.

Like, no one—

this isn't a conversation that—

Mahomes and Cam Ward too, inexplicably.

No, no, I disagree. I disagree. This conversation is not one we can have about Cam Ward or Mahomes.

This is a Josh Allen exclusive conversation.

Cam Ward.

Oh, Dan.

Cam Ward.

All right, so just so we all agree, I mean, this is a screwdriver. All right, forward, forward, down a gas.

Dan Le Batard, you're gonna go to Buffalo with Bernie Parmalee, Mike Ryan, and the Jags.

This is the Dan Le Batard Show.

Something else that I wanted to point out from the college football games, I want to, I want to, uh, just I think I am not prisoner of the moment when I say we live in a time that has more hard-to-pronounce, unspellable medicines than we have ever lived in, where the person comes on at the end with a ukulele and they give you 45 seconds of side effects that include anal bleeding and spinal leakage and don't worry—

And death.

Yeah, just an assortment of, of just hard-to-pronounce, Impossible to spell things. But there was a sponsor on the final 2 minutes of a college football game that I, I laughed when they put up on the screen basically a bunch of letters that were just gibberish, and, and it went on endlessly. Okay, I'm not making this up when I say that the medicine is called Skyrizi, and it's S-K-Y—

That's a classic, Dan.

Skyrizi.

If you watch sports, Skyrizi is everywhere. No, but the rest of it, it's not Skyrizi that Related to Darren Rizzi? It's not the Sky Rizzi that gets you. It's S-K-Y-R-I-Z-I, and then beneath it— and I'm not making this up, it sponsored the last 2 minutes of a football game I was watching— R-I-S-A-N-K-I-Z-U-M-A-B-R-Z-A-A.

And we're just taking money from anybody now to sponsor anything. Because we need to put sponsorships on everything.

It's not enough that we're bilking all of the sports customers by charging them more than we've ever charged them, by making them go to every single streaming service that exists if they want to make sure to get all of their football games. But beyond that as well, this is for what? It's for psoriasis.

What is this exactly? Now, Dan, they're notorious spenders on all sports products. You see it in the NBA a ton. You see in the NFL, you see it everywhere. What if I sell you this, Dan? You ready? The Dan Levitart Show brought to you by Sky Rizumab.

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Which is a good tagline for us.

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You want to try and pronounce that, Zaslav?

Yeah.

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Blue liner for the Penguins.

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Man, if I was this company, I would just buy time on our show.

There were a couple of broadcasting stories over the weekend that I found interesting. Uh, one of them is, uh, Tony Romo, uh, ends up being out at CBS. Uh, that happened somewhat quietly, I felt like, over the weekend, where football's moving so fast that J.J.

Watt's the guy for the rest of the season, and now One of the premier broadcast teams has been broken up.

And I would say this is a bigger fumble for Romo than the extra point that he dropped in the playoffs against the Seattle Seahawks to cost the Dallas Cowboys a playoff game as the holder. A giant fumble by Romo, whose last words on the subject in a statement was that he was in constant debilitating pain and that he had swapped out alcohol for painkillers because of the amount of pain that he was in.

He had one of the premier jobs in all of broadcasting, and these jobs, uh, uh, don't require any training. He went right to the front of the line and became one of the premier sports broadcasters in America. And maybe he works again in broadcasting, but it's going to be quite the substantive climb to get back in the game.

Dan, the tough part is— and I was just starting to miss Tony, right? Like, because when you watch J.J. Watt, and listen to him, it sounds like all the other ones. What I loved about Tony is that he would break in with, yeah, I don't know, and would break up the monotony of listening to the game and the cadence of, all right, first and 10, here we go. Wow, that was a great play by the, uh, by the A-gap, you know, blocker, whatever. Like, Tony was able to cut into things that I had never heard of, which were sounds usually.

Can you remember a broadcaster who was as popular as he was immediately that had a downfall like this? I don't mean downfall as in, you know, DUI, lose a job, whatever it is, but from the public not really liking him so much anymore.

A broadcaster that was wildly popular at the beginning—

he had a parlor trick, right? The thing that he did at the beginning is he was so fresh off of the game that he was correctly predicting the play that was being run because he had so recently been in a huddle, and it's something we hadn't seen before.

And so I feel like he was getting credit for that more so than even the charisma. The charisma worked, but there have been other charismatic broadcasters. In fact, in order to be one of the most popular broadcasters, you have to have a charisma and an enthusiasm for what you're watching. All of the greats, whoever you think they are— John Madden, Jon Gruden, whoever, whoever you associate with— they're the best of the analysts. Their love for the game shines through. And when he mentions J.J. Watt, I told you the first time I heard J.J. Watt, it felt to me like he was trying to summon an enthusiasm that had been practiced, like that they are telling him in the conference rooms, hey, J.J., you have to be even more excited than you usually are because otherwise it's going to sound muted by comparison. But another very popular broadcaster whose popularity eludes me, even though I don't mean this as criticism, I don't.

I just have not understood why it is that everyone seems to love Kirk Herbstreit so much that we have to have him on all of the broadcasts.

The reported details on his latest deal with Amazon is that Amazon could get out of the deal at any point if they find a broadcaster that they like more than Kirk Herbstreit. And I just found that to be unusual. And I assume that the reason for that is that Al Michaels is in his 80s. And Al Michaels and Kirk Herbstreit do not have magical chemistry. Like, it's a professional broadcast, but it doesn't sound special compared to the other broadcasts. It sounds special because Al Michaels is on it and you know who Al Michaels is, but as, as part of the chemistry that the two of them have, I don't think any of us would say that it's even the chemistry that Romo and Nantz had, or that Collinsworth and Tirico have, or that Buck and Aikman had.

We've now seen this happen with Tony Romo. And granted, there are some personal issues that have affected this, but there's all sorts of ambiguities. What, what is ESPN gonna do with the Monday Night Football booth? Troy Aikman's contract status is up in the air. We now have this Kirk Herbstreit deal signed and everyone's like, wait, there's a weird out here. The entire industry is waiting for Sean McVay to go into broadcasting. That's what it is. And everyone wants to see how the dominoes fall after that, because the same way Tony Romo bursts on the scene, Everyone is fully expecting Sean McVay to be immediately incredible at this. Predictive analysis, charm, a voice that feels big when you attach it and pair it with someone, which is something that J.J. Watt is kind of struggling with a little bit right now because he's following somebody who had a genuine enthusiasm for the game. And even if it wasn't, it paired well, nicely. A shtick, a thing, a gimmick. And McVay enters broadcasting with all those things already established.

So you're saying Herb Street signed a non-guaranteed deal? Like, the, the team doesn't have to hold up their end of the contract. They can get rid of him when they want.

While paying him whatever the substantive penalty costs would be to get out of the contract. I think Mike Tomlin could already be that if you wanted him to be that.

If you wanted to stick Mike Tomlin in one of these booths— one of the rare things about what it is that we're talking about is It's fairly stunning and doesn't happen in a lot of other places where meritocracy is supposed to be what it is that you're striving for, where somebody with very little experience just shoots right to the front of the line on the very best and high-paying jobs in the sport. Now, you have to have generally the pedigree of a Cowboys quarterback.

You have to have— resume like Troy Aikman's or Tony Romo's in order to do it.

But it is rare that you shoot to the front of the line. Let me ask you, Tomlin, what he's presently doing, do you guys think Tomlin will ever coach again?

Doesn't— the way that this is going right now, I would say no.

Depends on how long he wants to stay away from it. I think he will. Yeah, because Cower for like 4 years was still at the top of every list. And then eventually people got the idea and the game passes them by. Tomlin is going to be at the top of the list in terms of being sought out for a window here.

It's always though, always something that intrigues me how it is that you could have the cushy job that pays just as well, that has no pressure, or you can have the job that makes you miserable and so many of them and, and pays the same.

Doesn't pay more, pays the same. And so many of them choose the misery.

Uh, McVay could have gotten, in his mid-30s, after winning a Super Bowl, could have been cushy for the rest of his life on, let me go just be adjacent to the game. But there's something addictive about being part of the game. Because these guys— I've told you guys before that these coaches are all control freaks, and some of the weird things that happen around the shape of the ball and some of the weirdness that happens in the games gives them an absolute thrill. of control.

So they control, you know, they control the timeouts and they control who plays, but very often they can't control how well the person is playing. And there's something addictive about even having that much control, which you lose when you're in the booth, when you're not actually connected to the people. You're in production meetings, but you're on the outside, and there is a walled— a giant wall between you and the access, the glorious, holy access to what is the misery, the pain, the suffering, and the pressure. But if you're— Tomlin looks so much happier. He looks, he looks just when he's talking like he's happy to be talking, as opposed to his press conferences when he's grinding through the press conferences in order to get through them, but not necessarily looking like a man who's enjoying his work.

Optics matter, but a lot of those people love that misery.

It's like the scene in Heat. The action is the juice. Like, it's, it's not about the money. The action's the juice.

But you understand what I'm saying when I say that one of the jobs allows him to spend time with his family and not have stress when he's away from the office and not have just an assortment of headaches because these are sprawling businesses. And I've told you guys before that whether you're the director of a Hollywood movie, whether you're a CEO, or whether you're a coach, all you actually are is the place where all of the problems go.

Like, I know the power position looks to people like, of course I want that, it's the money, I want the power. But it's just, if there's a problem anywhere in your organization, the 52nd guy did something dumb the night before, uh, the problem ends up on your desk.

And I would just think that in the case of Mike Tomlin—

For what?

Like, what do you— every season that you had a season, you produced a winning season, even when your quarterback was Mason Rudolph. Like, you've won a Super Bowl. Everyone knows you're great at your job. Why would you risk going back to anything the way Belichick has? Like, what, what, what's the point of doing anything like that when you're already out? You're golden. You have, you have been released.

But you're not the center of an ecosystem. Yeah, there's misery and a lot of hard work, but you're the guy. The buck stops with you. You're just a part of a team where you are the team, and control freaks probably like that. Frank Costello could have gotten out at any moment when he was asked directly, hey, why don't you get out? It's a product of his environment.

Right now you're just working with Jason Garrett.

The most electric man on TV.

I was seeing people were tweeting us that, like, I didn't catch any of it. But that there were some glares from Jason Garrett not loving how electric Mike Tomlin is, that there were some like looks.

Yeah, back off.

Why are you killing this?

Simmons suggested that Tomlin get a couple cracks in the main booth with Collinsworth and Tirico.

Well, this is what I'm telling you.

I'd like to hear them pair.

I think that's the next step for him. I think there's no way he's bad at that job.

Like the—

Occasionally get multiple games, they'll get a playoff game, maybe he gets worked into that third broadcast and we realize because Because the one thing, like, Gruden made it hard last week because I'm— I like Jon Gruden on social media videos. I loved his enthusiasm of the game. If I could pair 2 people together, it'd be Harlan and Gruden.

Just give me that because I love Gruden's thing.

Gruden was well on his way before he decided to go back to being that generation's John Madden. Super exciting, kitschy voice, a gimmick. Though I think Tomlin has some of that potential.

I believe that when you're talking about McVay as the up-and-coming candidate, he's not more credentialed than Tomlin. Those are equals. Those are like—

to me, I know that he's got more word of mouth and people think of McVay as somebody who's got more personality. I say push. I say even. I say you can sit there and tell me whatever it is you want about McVay, and I would say that Tomlin is just as good and has just as much credibility. I think that's a fair assessment.

I think what people are looking for with McVay is like this weird borderline Rain Man thing when it comes to offense because you've heard him talk. Yeah, memory, being able to go back into his vast archive. Whereas what Tomlin gives you is more of a John Madden, John Gruden type of enthusiasm where he'll just like spout a cliché, but it'll land and it'll make you smile. Where if it came from somebody else, I don't like that guy. I like this guy.

Did we know that Tomlin was gonna do this? Like, were we talking about this a year ago, 2 years ago, 3 years ago, that when Tomlin is done coaching that he's going to go into broadcasting?

No.

The way that we talk about McVay.

Yeah, we all expected him to go back into coaching.

Yeah, so the point that I'm making is Tomlin is like— part of what has helped Tomlin's case here is it's a little bit of a surprise. It's like, oh my God, he's so good at this. With McVay, I don't know, maybe we're building it up too much.

We're all—

we've been expecting this from him for for 5 or so years now. When he finally gets there, he better be great.

Anybody who's listening to this and has been listening to our show for a while knows that Mike Tomlin speaks electrically.

Splash.

Everyone who listens to the Useless Sound Montage knows that Tomlin can make a cliché— he could dress it up and make it sound like it's not a cliché.

My only worry for him is that he's so great in long stanzas that to, like, get him in bite-sized pieces, how can he do that?

No, that's my—

He's got so much stuff to say.

That's my worry with McVay. Like, when you want him to do the Rain Man stuff on memorizations. My worry would be that on McVay. It's less so on Tom.

He's gonna be like, I remember 7 years ago we ran this exact— sorry, dude, just focus on this game.

I want to hear him say that though.

Yeah, he's got the exact play 7 years ago in the 3rd quarter, 7 minutes left.

Yeah, see, I don't like your McVay. I hate your McVay.

I'll work on it.

I don't think I like McVay anymore because of that.

Your fake McVay, um, sounds like a '30s guy.

Al Capone.

Yeah, you sounded like a 1930s guy in a report A reporter with a press hat going in with a lot of flashbulbs asking interrogation questions during the Prohibition era. It was, it was very strange.

Not my best work.

But it is that you made me feel so old.

I was just trying to go higher with the voice, and when I think higher, I go, ah, I'm old-timey now.

Down levitar!

DJ Laz is playing Kool-Aid in the back of my pit bull.

Here's Dave Demachek, and he's like, hey guys, Pittsburgh, uh, all right. Everybody's like, who the fuck is this guy?

Dave Demachek.

He goes, what TV's the Penguins game on?

Who the hell is this guy?

The Rams might not have rescued their season yesterday, but they did some salvaging.

How they almost lost to an Eagles team that is empirically playing the worst offense that an Eagles team has played this century.

They were 0-for-12 on 3rd downs yesterday. Going back to the 2 games, they've been like 0-for-17 on 3rd downs. It is inept offense. And the reason for it is— and I'm going to keep saying this because I know that we get so enthusiastic because the games are close and exciting and interesting that we miss it— but the Eagles missing 9 starters cease to be the Eagles.

Those are just the Eagles uniforms. You can't be missing half of your team and expect for the offense to look the way that it looked during the Super Bowl. They can't even do the tush push anymore.

They're not good at it anymore.

They got stopped.

I mean, Kelce and those guys were really stronger than everybody else for a while and had an unstoppable play that had us changing league rules for a while. But do you understand what I'm saying? When we keep putting the uniform out there, we keep putting what is ostensibly an NFL product out there, but the Detroit Lions secondary might as well have people running around in mechanics' scrubs. Those are not NFL players that are getting dusted in the Lions secondary the first month of the season. They're pretending to be NFL players. They're NFL players only because all of the other NFL players are—

Injured.

gone, and we're a month in. We're a month in and Washington's season is ruined. Washington's season, they cannot play.

Maybe not. I don't know. Jayden Daniels may come back.

You got to injuries for a 5th time before Drew Rasmussen. Drew Rasmussen did.

I saw Austin Ekeler out there.

It's your boy. Just wait till I go to it an 8th time.

I saw Austin Ekeler out there as well.

Kaleb Akane to Austin Ekeler. I was like, whoa.

Oh, uh, Jeremy, who here do you think I would talk with, uh, about Drew Rasmussen?

Who here even, like, do they know what sport he plays or what team he plays for?

Well, they know what sport he plays because I brought it up.

He's a Brewer.

I mean, he could be a Heat 15th man at this point.

You guys are killing me.

I know Colby Rasmus. Yeah.

Drew Rasmussen threw 7 and 2/3 no-hit innings against the Yankees.

He's a Padre.

Bad baserunning.

He's a Padre.

He's a, he's a Ray. The Dodgers and Braves were playing at the same time as Sunday Night Football, and it asked me, do you want a second screen.

No, no, not whatsoever.

I, I do.

Panthers-Sharks.

Oh my God.

Let's talk about the baserunning mistake that the Yankees made against Rasmussen when they did finally get a hit and decided to, instead of just settling for second base, trying to get to third base on the most efficient fundamental team that there is in baseball. The Rays have not made this baserunning mistake all year. Uh, that the Yankees made in a playoff game, a playoff game that they lost 1-0. Tim Kirkchen was appalled by it. It was— Tim Kirkchen found it to be blasphemy, the idea that you would try to take third base when you're already in scoring position and the right fielder is holding, uh, the baseball.

Because it's the first hit of the game. They haven't gotten a hit off Rasmussen. It's a 1-0 game, and Austin Wells, a tries to take third.

Not only did he try to take third, I love the analysis. And I don't know why it is that we all use a piano as the analysis, but many people were pointing out that as he rounded second base, you can see him slow down as if someone had placed a piano on his back.

Let's just react.

Yeah, let's just see Kirkshen's reaction here so that people can see Yeah.

And just—

he's exasperated. I've enjoyed listening to him with Michael Kay on the Yankee broadcast. And he was just pissed off on behalf of baseball, on behalf of baseball played correctly. He was angry that the Yankees would desecrate the uniform by not understanding you can't hit this human being. You have finally gotten a hit. You're in scoring position. Get his ass out there. Pinch run for him. Put him on second base.

See if you can get another hit.

You're buying yourself nothing by getting to third base.

You're already in scoring position.

in his phone because he doesn't want to listen to baseball.

I was listening to Mike Vrabel talk about CJ Gardner-Johnson. Oh, what'd he say?

I saw that quote.

Yeah, for a guy that's been on 18 teams, he should know the drill.

But Dan, as we're good, we got to play this Kirkjens sound. I want you to— for the audio, it's good audio here, but the visual audience, 2 things to look at. Tim's hands flying up and just annoyed at the bad baserunning. And then the ultimate— I don't know if Tim Kirkjens has ever done this— the flip of the glasses. He flips his glasses onto the table. 'Cause he is mad. Let's play it.

Rasmussen rocks slightly and fires.

Hard line drive, and it's down the right field line, a fair ball. The no-hit bid comes to an end. Wells rounds first, heads for second. He's going for third. The relay throw from the shortstop Walls beat him by a mile, and he is toast at third base. And the inning is over. A roller coaster of emotions as the no-hitter disappears, and so does the Yankees' threat of scoring here in the 8th.

That can't happen. Cannot happen, Eddie. This is the big leagues. This is the playoffs as well. That cannot happen. Thrown out by more than 4 steps before you even go headfirst into third base. I am sorry, but you do not make the first or third out at third base, especially when a pitcher like Drew Rasmussen is absolutely killing on the mound.

Oh, he's pissed.

Oh my God, look at that still shot of Tim.

It's as angry as he's ever been in his life.

He is so mad. Uh, Drew Rasmussen, the Rays have won his last 13 starts. Every time that guy takes the mound, they win his games and he strikes out, uh, 10 people.

Look at Tim's face.

And, and nobody knows it. Nobody outside of baseball knows it.

Nobody.

I, I could have quizzed you guys for the rest of time and you wouldn't have told me who it is that Drew Rasmussen pitches for or that he was He's a Brave against the Yankees in the first round.

He's a Guardian.

He's so— let's, let's just look.

In our defense, we weren't listening.

Let's just look again. Just, you know, I don't want to play it again, but I just want to see the pictures. Eddie Perez, Eduardo Perez crosses his arms and just stares down.

Look how mad both of them are.

They are just so mad at the Yankees for playing baseball incorrectly. It's particularly offensive, though, to have your catcher trying to take an extra