Transcript of Will Giannis Antetokounmpo Be On The MIAMI HEAT?! | Hour 2 New

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Zaslo, there were some things that happened in baseball over the weekend that have a hard time sort of getting into the conversation around hockey and basketball and the World Cup and UFC.

Come on, Mookie Betts.

What happened.

He missed a routine ground ball, ruining a perfect game in the 8th inning. I've, like, I've seen some, like, perfect games get ruined, but rarely by just a routine ground ball to shortstop.

Something I haven't seen before is what Jordan Álvarez did, and every time that guy swings the bat, I expect him to get a hit. Did you see in the 1st inning of a game he had a grand slam and a 2-run homer?

Say that again?

That's a good inning.

The same inning he had a grand slam and a 2-run homer?

It's no Fernando Tatis, but that's pretty damn good. That's a good call from Roy there.

Nice call!

So that's right, Tatis had 2 grand slams in an inning, correct?

Senior. That is correct.

Yeah, senior. That is senior. Thank you. Junior hasn't hit a home run in about a month. He doesn't hit home runs anymore.

Luis Urias has more home runs. It's crazy.

You guys don't go with the due factor though. For the last like month, I finally hit it. He finally hit one. I was hitting it with the Fernando Tatis Jr. He was due to hit a home run.

Yeah.

When a guy like that goes like a month and a half without one, you start betting him to do it because of the due factor.

That's a tribute to you right there, Zazz, the way that he said that. He said that with a flourish because that was homage to you there. The due factor.

Whatever. No one could do it like me.

No one can do it like you.

Except when Greg does it like you, but better.

Yo, I don't want to talk about that.

Hey, that's what I'm talking about!

I don't want to talk about that.

People are singing it. What, that's not what you're talking about? People are singing all over the country and internationally, they're singing it. Hey, that's what I'm talking about.

Bullshit.

He stole it and made it better.

That's my catchphrase.

I know it is.

It's like my go-to catchphrase. It's like my number one. And he disrespects it not only by putting a "hey" in front of it and claiming it's his, by singing it, —but he also had it like number 16 or 17.

Now it was— now it's number 26 because it moved back 10.

What?

Uh, so we have some, uh, quote-unquote news here coming from Brian Windhorst. Uh, he says that talks have intensified over the last 7 to 10 days, and Giannis has focused on wanting to be a member of the Miami Heat. Now what I know has been happening here most recently, where you see the Boston media coming out and wondering if Boston is going to get involved, and you've heard Simmons say Boston wasn't interested and now they're not interested. The Bucks have had the Heat's offer for a really long time. It's been out there for anybody to beat for a really long time. And my guess is that what's happened over the last 10 days is Milwaukee wants to get more than what it is the Heat offered months ago. And so they bring up the pressure because they're losing the leverage of everyone knows once their owner says, we'd like to get this resolved before the draft, that everything is coming to a head now. Why would Milwaukee not try to get that offer higher when already it was in place at the trade deadline and it had to be nuked by Milwaukee ownership because they're like, no, we can get more than that.

And the Heat don't want to move off of that position. But I'm guessing the last 10 days of pressure have made it so that Windy feels now comfortable reporting that Giannis has focused on wanting to be a member of the Miami Heat, which only puts yet more pressure on Boston or anyone else who wants him. And this is all part of the game that Milwaukee wants out there. Milwaukee knows what they can get from the Miami Heat. They want to see if that offer can get any better or if anyone can up that offer. That is not something I'm saying that's any kind of groundbreaking. It's the obvious way to do business when you have someone like this. Okay, so two things.

Number 1, the Heat's offer has changed since February at the trade deadline. They can now offer the number 13 overall pick in the draft. Not a small thing. So the Heat's offer has changed a little bit. And number 2, when you say that the Heat aren't coming off of their offer, you say that as if the Heat are holding something back. Like, don't we assume that the only thing the Heat are holding back is Bam Adebayo, right? Like, it's not like Damian Lillard or Kevin Durant, where it's like, this is our offer. No, we're not giving you that. We're not giving you that. They're, they're willing to give up everything except for Bayless.

But it hasn't been, it has not been reported that way. That's not when, when you see the Bobby Marks salary comparisons, the offer is picks and then they're throwing Jović in there and you don't have to take any garbage from Milwaukee. I still think they're going to have to take something from Milwaukee that they don't actually want. And I think that's where the maneuvering is, is in play, where Milwaukee doesn't just want to give up Giannis. They want to give up Giannis and get rid of some bad contracts. And so, yeah, you could throw Hawkins into that deal, you make it— look, if you make it, if you make it Ware, Hero, and Hawkins, that's a better offer. That's a better offer than Ware, Hero, and Jović. Like, that's— and so all that's happening now is the same posturing. This has been going on for a really, really long time. The fact that Giannis now has, according to Windy, a preferred destination, that has not been reported before. No. That's— we have not seen reported this explicitly that talks have heated up in the last 7 or 10 days, which means the Heat offer has to change there, Zazz.

If talks have heated up in the last 7 or 10 days, it means that the Heat are willing to have a conversation that's larger than the one they were having. And this is the first time anyone's heard, no, Giannis wants Miami, because we've heard all along Giannis also wants Boston. Boston's not interested. And then that changed over the last 5 days because the Boston media people, Kevin O'Connor and Bill Simmons, started talking about how how that's changed after Bill Simmons said flatly that they were no longer interested. And then Bill Simmons had felt the need to say, I'm not recanting what I've originally said, things have changed. What's changed is Milwaukee wants a better offer than the one that's been on the table from the Heat since before the trading deadline.

I mean, weren't we at a place not too long ago where the market for Giannis was thin?

That was the reports from every big news guy, was like, yeah, everybody's kind of like off.

Now nothing has changed, like, like No, but this is how you change it. This is how you change the perception of it, by getting in the news stream as things intensify. Right, but this is— look, this is the patience that's required of the Heat, and I can't imagine what watching this Knicks run has done to Pat Riley. Can't even imagine what watching all of this— the Knicks are not homegrown. They're the first Finals team ever to have 5 starters drafted somewhere else. That's not a homegrown team. That's a bunch of parts that anybody could have had.

That's Riley's style. Like, he— that's the way he would do it.

But that—

those are part— what the Knicks just built are players anybody could have had. All of them. All of those players. You could have had Jalen Brunson for less than the max deal. You could have had Karl-Anthony Towns if you wanted to take on that contract. You could have had Bridges if you were crazy enough to offer up 5 draft picks for Bridges. Nobody was offering that. You could have had Anunoby. That was not— there was not a lot of people running around trying to get Anunoby or thinking that was some sort of seismic trade that was made by the New York Knicks. New York Knicks. In fact, I would say every trade the Knicks made, people said, why are they doing that? They're not a piece away.

You're, uh, you're right. I, thinking back at it now, except for Josh Hart, which I mean, what'd they give up for Josh Hart, you know? But the Brunson signing, trading away Randle for Towns, who wasn't supposed to be a winning player, the picks for Bridges. Yeah, it feels like every move they made was questioned by everyone.

If you want to create sort of fairy tale mythologies around what a sports fan wants to feel for a team, it would look and sound like the parade of gas bags because there was no move the Knicks made that was applauded. None. They were all questioned. They all came with questions. There was not universal— like, when the Miami Heat, if they do acquire Giannis, there will be people who have their complaints, but it'll be muted. People will understand, and there won't be a lot of doubt. Like, whatever doubt The only doubt that comes with Giannis is, is he gonna get hurt?

The team missed the playoffs. How's there gonna be doubt with trading for Giannis? They missed the playoffs!

Zazz, you're old enough to remember how this market got pissed off because Brian Grant, Lamar Odom were traded from a 42-40 team for Shaquille O'Neal. You saw how this market fell in love with a 42-40 Heat team that traded Lamar Odom, Brian Grant, and you can't throw Caron Butler in that deal, for Shaquille O'Neal.

And no one loves this current Miami Heat team. You're right, that was a 42-win Heat team.

This Heat team was better than that Heat team.

That was a 42-win Heat team that we fell in love with, alright, because we saw that, hey, it looks like we might have hit the jackpot with Dwyane Wade, and we love the other players too, and you're right, please don't throw Caron Butler into the deal. But we fell in love with that team. No one loves this current iteration of the Heat.

That team had promise. This team didn't. This team had plan for 4 straight seasons. Everybody got sick of this and sick of looking up north and being like, wait a second, they beat us at our own game.

Which is why another team was willing to take that group of players for Shaq, whereas this group, they're like, mm, for Giannis? Nope, don't want that.

I am surprised that Giannis isn't able to lure a better offer than the one the Heat have. When you think of Mikael Bridges going for 5 picks, no matter what you think Khalil Ware is going to be, be. I don't think any of us have his growth pattern being Wade's, whatever it is. Like, I, I also think Khalil Ware is going to get a great deal better. I don't know. I honestly— this one's interesting here. This is a potentially ridiculous thing I'm about to say here because Jaylen Brown is as good as he is. But if you're the Bucks and what you can get as the jewel is something like Khalil Ware, somebody who's that young and you know isn't formed as a player, whatever Jaylen Brown is, Plenty good, better than Khalil Ware, no doubt, no question. You will get no argument from me on that. But will Jaylen Brown's best be better than what Khalil Ware's best is 6 years from now as they go to 7-footers on the perimeter who also play defense? Khalil Ware is a pick that I would want on my team because of his age, because that's not formed as a player.

Whatever it is that Jaylen Brown is, is formed. It's not getting much better than what it already is. And so most people listening to this are going to say, what are you talking about, Jaylen Brown and Khalil Ware in the same conversation? But Milwaukee clearly is valuing the age there because now you're against the Spurs and the Thunder, man. It's a different game. Like, I understand actually if you want to question Pat Riley at the end of his window— I'm talking mortality there, I'm not even talking career— saying, look, I'm going all in on a 31-year-old who's got questions even though he's 10 years older than the cores out west that better than my team. I understand people saying it's still not good enough. In fact, I've been surprised, as I've been legitimately surprised at how much Giannis has been devalued by the last season, where people are shrugging and saying, well, Bam and Giannis still isn't enough. Man, that's been enough for most of my life to watch. Those two players are gonna get to the top of that sport if I put them together. Like, if those two players are healthy, my entire life as a basketball fan, if I put— yeah, if I put Giannis and Bam on the same team No matter what I put around them, that's gonna climb to the top of that sport.

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Don Lebatard!

I think I would have been on his side. I would have looked at you like, what did you say? Nah, I'm team Chris.

I'm telling you, me and my friend, the rest of the way home, All we kept saying was, I ain't cheating.

Stugatz. I didn't cheat.

I think you got your ass. I think he got your ass.

I got his ass. Chris won this one for sure. Not with that ass.

Ballot, Jeremy.

Ballot.

It was great.

This is the Dan Levatar Show with the Stugatz.

Is Giannis being devalued or is it that the days of these massive hauls coming in return in trade for these players, that those days are gone. We see especially with the New York Knicks now, who just won it with a player who took $100 million less than the maximum and did all the winning now. And there's a— so many players in the NBA right now who are making the max money and are just— not winning players.

It's both of those things, and you just saw OKC and San Antonio are gonna be a problem for a decade. Like, whether you think they're gonna win—

But you can't just throw your hands up and give up.

I'm not saying you give up. Obviously they're not going to give up. But when all of this comes into play, all of the things that we're talking about, the number of times I've heard, the number of times that I've heard in the devaluing of an all-time great champion in Giannis, Some form of, "Look at what Milwaukee was this year." Makes people forget how he beat Durant in the playoffs and won a championship, and I thought his leg was broken and his career was over, and then he beats the Suns. It's like it never happened because of what happened last year to Milwaukee, where Giannis wasn't in the conversation except as a transaction. It was never for the play. It was always for the mess and the transaction. Like, real damage has been done to the perception of Giannis as a basketball player, as if people forgot that he won a championship with Chris Middleton as his second-best player.

Not only that, when he did play this season, he was great.

Could the holdup be that the Heat don't want to take Thanasis?

They don't want to up the offer. And that would be upping the offer. Taking his entire family is upping the offer.

You gotta take Thanasis.

Look, I gotta assume, I have to assume that the Bucks are trying to say some form of, and you gotta take Myles Turner. Like you gotta take both of our, you gotta take both our fat contracts.

The form of that is likely Bobby Portis, who, which I actually would like. I love Bobby Portis. No, but he is one of the contracts that if you don't have, of Giannis you would want to move.

I think Dan's right though, and, and no team is going to want to take Giannis and Miles Turner because I don't think they're going to play together anymore.

I mean, they were not really a major issue, but that's not what the, the problem is going to be. What, what it is for the Heat is they look at an offer themselves that is 3 first-round picks, including one this year, that gives the Bucks multiple first-round picks this season. They look at Khalil Ware, which, whether you want to take him and make him a building block or move him for another pick because that was the chatter last week, which is that around the league he is viewed as someone who could get you a first-round pick. And you then have Hero and Jaquez, one who's won a 6-man of the year.

Why would you want to move Ware for a first-round pick? He's a first-round pick.

I agree, but if that's not the guy they want to continue to build around, then they get back to the value where they can choose their guy. And now that's 4 first-round picks and you'd have Hero on an expiring contract. You can extend him if you want. You have Hawkins where he is. That is a major deal for a player. When you look at the Jalen Brown part of this, this is not so that the Bucks would be building around Jalen Brown. This is not the one-to-one comparison. This is, okay, so we can get a third team involved, whether it's the Clippers and getting that number 5 pick or Atlanta and getting one of their picks, because Jalen Brown is not the guy they would be planning to build around. They want to hit bottom and get as big of a pick haul as they can. Right now they're getting 3 plus a lottery pick from just a couple of years ago.

Let me ask you guys about this because this part has been really interesting to me as I've watched the last 3 years of basketball and see what looked like a Boston team that had rigged the system sort of fall apart this year. But Jaylen Brown got a taste of what Pat Riley called in his book, The Disease of Me. When Jaylen Brown sees what Jalen Brunson just did, he says, I could do that if I didn't have to share the ball with Tatum. I could do that if you make me the lead player. Did you see how good my Celtics were this year during the regular season when I didn't have to have Tatum around? I could do what Jalen Brunson just did if you give me the chance. And so I want to examine some of this with you guys because I really don't believe that any of us would know that Jalen Brunson is this good if Jalen Brunson had just stayed next to Luka. If for whatever reason Jalen Brunson said, you know what, I love playing with Luka, I don't You don't have to show anybody anything else. This is enough for me.

He would have never gotten the usage rate that he needed to, to be the fourth-quarter clutch guy, to be the guy who's the killer at the end of games. Why wouldn't Jaylen Brown believe that if you send me somewhere and I don't have to deal with the shackles of Tatum, where I tell you this year was the most fun I've had, even though it was the first— I'm out in the first round and we're embarrassed.

Favorite year.

When he says that, though, like, isn't that the most human thing that no matter— I've said this to my adult friends, especially as it comes to men. Understand that everything's high school no matter what age you are. We, we are just boys. Many of us are just high school boys. We don't actually grow up. You think that Jaylen Brown thinks team and championship and I want to keep playing with Tatum, or you think Jaylen Brown says give me my own team, I want my own team?

That.

It's the most human thing, and it doesn't matter how much money you make, and it doesn't matter how much everyone loves you in a city. It's just the ego run amok, and understandably the ego helped get these guys to where they are, so they They don't put it down. They don't put it away. And they don't put it within your construct of, well, you won a championship as a team. Why wouldn't you want to stay there? Durant left Golden State. Winning wasn't as fun as it seemed like it could have been forever.

What do your adult friends say in response? You got math friends? How many friends? Math friends, adult friends.

Weather friends.

Weather friends.

You are chief among the late 30-year-olds who aren't actually an adult.

I was gonna say, I'm one of your adult—

I'm one of your adult friends.

No, no, no, you are not. I'm making— what I am saying, what the distinction I'm making between my adult friends and boys are people who live in the real world.

Your boyfriends.

And you guys. You guys are my boyfriends.

Hey, I'm happy to be a friend.

You guys are my boyfriends. You are none of my adult friends. What I do here every day is not done with adults.

Look to your left.

Not an adult.

At least Chris has a forward hat on.

I mean, Zazz with a backwards hat, but I am back here miming a baseball swing and I don't feel like adults do that.

Yes, they do.

Yes, they do. That's more of an adult thing than a kid thing, I think.

Yep.

What batting stance is this?

Sheffield.

Nope.

That's not Sheffield. That's not Sheffield.

How is that not Sheffield?

What do you mean that's not Sheffield?

That is Sheffield.

Cheater. Kevin Millar.

Millar. No, it is Millar. I can't see your legs. It's a big part of it.

Yeah, the legs are—

You guys are suckers.

You fell for the Sheffield.

Like, it's the oldest trick in the book. You start doing this, everyone says Sheffield right away.

It's clearly Kevin Millar.

Show me a new one though.

Nope.

Let me— can I—

I can't guess on another one? Do one later. That's it. That's all you get for now.

Okay.

The idea is, as— and I know we love these constructs, right? Because many people do look at professional sports and because their experience is high school experience, they think it's the rah-rah of high school. Put the team first. If you win a championship, it shouldn't be about the me, it should be about the we. But what I'm saying is fairly obvious about Jaylen Brown, correct? That Jaylen Brown is looking around and wondering, what would it be like and what would it feel like if I were to go and be the leader of my own team?

In fact, my guess is Jaylen Brown would be fine in Boston as long as they traded Tatum.

That gets to the means to the end, right? He has his own team, just Jason Tatum's not a part of it.

Well, he had it this year. It's why it was his favorite year. Like, he had it.

He wouldn't have to move.

He's sitting there. I put it on the poll at Levitard Show.

Moving sucks.

Was Jalen Brown putting things in the training room for Tatum to trip over? At Levitard Show, because he wasn't—

He was booby-trapping everything?

Because he wasn't in any hurry for Tatum to get back and take the team from him.

I get how it gets there though, right? He's the one that won the Finals MVP the year that they win the championship. He's the one that was the best player on that team when it happened. He's the one that took a roster that nobody expected to be good to be this great in the regular season, as opposed to teams that constantly sort of underachieved compared to what they anticipated and where the roster was until that championship where he was the Finals MVP. And by the way, two of the last three Finals MVPs are named Jaylen.

Dan, you saw Jaylen Brown's most recent tweet. Yes. I did not. He tweeted out, "The neighbor's rice always smells better." I did see that, yeah.

What do you think the booby trap looks like, right? Is it a fishing wire that's all the way in the bottom when you open the door and you don't see it and you trip over? Is it like el coolo that's on the top of the doorframe that falls over with the water and he's like, "Oh, where did that come from?" Legos. Ooh, Legos. Do you think it's dark and he's like trying to find the light switch?

Oh, my kid left them there. I'm so sorry. That wasn't my fault. I think the thing that he's underestimating though is the burden of expectation. Expectations. This season for the Celtics, didn't have any expectations. When he was Finals MVP, he's not the one expected to be the Finals MVP. Tatum is. And if he goes to his own team, all of a sudden 50 wins isn't going to be good enough. Like 50 wins in a season, you got to be the— you got to be the guy. And I don't think— and I don't think anyone listening to this thinks that Jalen Brunson should be the best player on a championship team. You think you need somebody better than that, correct?

I mean, we just saw it.

Everybody wants to play the, the sport the way Jalen Jalen Brunson's allowed to play it. Like, everybody playing in that league wants to be playing— yeah, I'm the lead guy. Everyone knows, hey, keep setting the picks and keep giving the ball back to me. I'm the one who's going to get the 30 points. I'm the one who's going to get the 25 shots no matter what. Every guy in that league wants his team. It's why Brunson— look, there are a lot of reasons Brunson took less money to be there, and he's going to make it all back right now and whatever it is he's going to get in advertising. But everybody wants the situation, and many of them would take a discount to have a team be theirs the way that Brunson's is in New York. And the expectations— this is a big one, Sazh— he has exceeded every expectation, at least in part because there were no expectations. There really weren't. Like, what he's been doing the last few years in the playoffs before this year was fine for them. Like, they were perfectly happy with him. I'm not saying that they wouldn't have been disappointed if the thing hadn't kept growing.

I'm saying no one blamed Brunson for them not advancing to the championship. He has exceeded every single expectation that anyone had for him as a basketball player.

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Dan Lebatard. I've never stepped foot on that campus. If you told me right now your life depends on it, go to Santa Fe University and just take a picture.

Stugatz.

I would die. I don't know where it is. This is the Dan Lebatard Show with the Stugatz. I mean, we heard during the parade of gasbags though, everyone saying, you know, this is not a good signing, this is not a guy who's gonna get you out of the first round, all of— he's not a top 10 point guard in the league. Nick Wright, that's on you. And then he winds up having this type of— what, this is only his 4th season. Like, he was good right away for them. He got them into the 2nd round his very first year. He took that ass, of course. If Brunson was not great with the Knicks, I do think there would have been a lot of attention from the media. I mean, you heard right there people criticizing the signing.

I'm saying that his great before this was great enough. He had already delivered more playoff victories and moments than they'd had for a generation or 2 generations of fans. He did more before this season in the playoffs than Carmelo Anthony did in the playoffs for them.

Yeah.

And Carmelo Anthony is as beloved a son as they have in 20-something.

He equaled Carmelo his first year in New York.

But that's what I'm saying. If the starting point on Brunson is you immediately exceed Carmelo, you've made the sport fan in New York, who's really hard to please, okay with who you are. There's never been any criticism of Brunson. Why would there be? Like, it, it's just such a rare story. I'm gonna go through it again because Amin ends up being right on you have to have playoff experience to win the title, but the place he ends up and we all end up being wrong is that Jalen Brunson is too small to win a title as the best player on a team. One of those things had to give in this series. Either a team with no experience was going to win the title, or a player player who was too small, the smallest player on the court, was going to be enough to win a title when it's Isaiah Thomas, Steph Curry, and that's the list in the history of basketball. Two really uncommon players. And I don't think before this series has anybody would have put Jalen Brunson in the Isaiah Thomas, Steph Curry class, but you kind of got to now, don't you?

Well, that's why I, I don't like the criticism that is being levied at Becky Hammond. I think it's unfair. First of all, she was in the media at the time when she— like, she was working as an analyst on ESPN. She's not like the Las Vegas Aces coach or the San Antonio Spurs assistant coach and decides to give her opinion on Jalen Brunson not being a guy. She's literally equal to guys like Kendrick Perkins and Stephen A. Smith and any of those guys that are on television. So she's allowed to give her opinion, and guess what? You're gonna be wrong sometimes. So I don't understand this coming after her where like she has to apologize, but more so the point being historically her opinion is correct. Even with Jalen Brunson proving her wrong. Even with Brunson proving her wrong because now guess what? The number of small guards who lead their team to a championship is 2! 2 in the history of the NBA! Like her point— she was wrong about Brunson? Yeah. But her point still stands.

Let's play that sound as a refresher when the media caught up to her and said, are you sure you want to still keep believing this or has he proven you wrong? And that's the other thing is I think Jaylen Brunson's a hell of a player. A hell of a player. I'm speaking historically on the NBA with what I said. I don't know why that's being brought, like why everybody's so stuck on that. I said it 2 years ago.

I stand by it.

I'm glad you cleared the air.

There's no air. I don't care to be cleared.

I said what I said. He proves me wrong. He proves me wrong. I mean, good for him.

He proved her wrong, proved everybody wrong. And she's still historically correct just because it happened for the second time in— what are we talking, 60 years? She's still historically correct.

Zaslav claims, and I don't know if this is accurate or not. I want to hear the sound from the New York— is this the New York radio call of this?

This is so good.

Zaslav is claiming that the New York radio announcers, okay, who will never get a chance like this again in their life—

And they nailed it, by the way.

This is a once-in-a-lifetime team. Whatever it is, the Knicks could win the next 3 championships, it's not gonna feel like this. This is a once-in-a-lifetime team. You will go the entire remainder of your fandom and not feel something that feels like what it is New York gets to feel now. And you're saying— I've not heard this call.

Yeah.

You're saying they met the moment, but they did so while stealing something. Okay. I don't know what you think they stole, but you're otherwise saying that if not for this egregious act of stealing something, it's a perfect call.

Okay. Tyler Murray and Monica McNutt are the radio voices of the New York Knicks on ESPN New York. And here is their final call when the Knicks win the championship. And I will preface it with saying they nailed the call.

This league has seen some impressive playoff runs over the years, but we've never seen anything like this. The 2026 New York Knicks. They will be forever remembered as the team that proved no lead is too big and no guard is too small.

What a, what a line. No lead is too big. No guard is too small. Phenomenal line. I loved it. And then, and then it sounds familiar. I, I, I have, I have kids. I have teenage boys who were once toddlers. And there was a show, I think it's still on television, it's called Paw Patrol.

They're making movies now.

It's a very popular kids' show. It's about these dogs who are like cops, you know, like they— They save the day. Yeah, they fight crime.

Cop dogs?

Paw Patrol. No lead is too big, no guard is too small. Unbelievable line. Is it Paw Patrol? No job's too big, no pup's too small. It's a very famous line from Paw Patrol. No job's too big, no pup's too small. No job's too big, no pup's too small.

All I will say in your defense here, because this is clearly ridiculous, there's no connection here.

I don't need defense.

But I will give you this defense. This Tyler guy, the Knicks broadcaster, seems like a young guy.

Seems like he could have young kids.

Could have young kids.

That's right. I'm assuming that.

This could be a subconscious thievery.

No lead's too big, no guard's too small.

No lead is too big, and no guard is too small.

Incredible line. No job's too big, no pup's too small. No job's too big, no pup's too small.

And if you think about it, right, no job too big. 29 points down, big job.

No job's too big, no pup's too small. Paw Patrol is on a roll.

Are you making the accusation? Yes or no? Are you making the accusation to Tyler Murray? Are you saying out loud that that was a stolen line? That one— you don't get any chances. Broadcasters go their entire careers. I mean, imagine you've been broadcasting Kings games for 40 years. You've been broadcasting Hawks games. You've been broadcasting Clippers games. You don't get the chances to do— Minnesota You don't get the chances to say the thing that people are going to remember. You can't steal it from Paw Patrol.

Can you imagine being the Kings broadcaster for 40 years? I'll never forget Mike Inglis, former radio voice of the Miami Heat, my all-time famous line from him coming back from commercial break, the Heat are at the Kings. All right, here we are live, third quarter action from Sacramento's Arco Arena. Boy, I got to tell you, this place is a real dump.

Now, Tyler Murray had that one locked and loaded, right? Like, he goes to bed at night before, he's like, how am I going to call this one? This, how do I say the memorable thing?

You got— you have to think it out beforehand. You have a chance for a forever call. You know, the play-by-play guys like say, "Nah, nah, nah, I want it to be organic." You have to think it out before, 'cause you have to nail it. And he nailed it. He did. He nailed it. It's a great, great call.

I've got him in his, you know, in his kitchen. His kids are in the living room, he's eating his breakfast. What am I gonna call tonight? And then he hears this in the background.

No job's too big, no pup's too small. Aha!

I'm with Zazz now. I fully flipped on this. He stole it.

No lead's too big, no guard's too small.

No lead is too big and no guard is too small.

I want an Ophius Kids. I need an Ophius Kids.

Do you guys think that when Al Michaels did "Do You Believe in Miracles," there was someone on sports radio claiming that he'd stolen it from his kids' cartoons in the morning? Because you've just desecrated a really wonderful moment with an accusation that is, uh, I, I think it's brazen. And, uh, and if I were Tyler Murray, I'd be hurt and scared if indeed either consciously or subconsciously Paw Patrol had been the thing that I summoned to reach for the most moving moment in New York sports history.

No job's too big, no pup's too small! I don't think he stole anything. I think he might have drawn inspiration. It's a great— he nailed the call.

Tiene pinta, Dan. Tiene pinta.

It's a great call.

Now I'm picturing the writer of Paw Patrol like watching the game— or listen, no, no, my bad, this is radio— listening, driving around New York.

What?

Jeremy loves that I still listen to baseball on the radio.

It's my favorite thing. I'll get texts from Dan with just photos of his radio that have like the score on it, and I'm just, I'm moved by it. The idea that Dan is just either driving around or, or choosing to just, I don't know, sit in his car and listen to baseball on the radio as a form of entertainment. You have people doing stuff for you.

Why do you need to go places?

I have to drive places, and when I drive places—

Dropping off a 95-cent stamp or what?

I have satellite radio, and I thought about this the other day, actually, because I'm fairly amazed that you can basically get any game anywhere on satellite radio because of the amount of play-by-play they have. But on one of the channels, there is a guy who is just simply reading where you can find all the games and sports on all of the channels.

I hate that guy's voice. Well, he's got a voice.

Be replaced by AI. Like, there's no— there is no circumstance under which that guy gets to keep a job where he is just simply telling you, you can find this on Sirius Satellite Channel X, and you can find this on internet feed, and it's MLS, and it's WNBA, and it's just all of the games. I wonder if that guy goes home at night and says, are they going to figure out whether I'm just reading the schedule and they can absolutely replace me with one of these voices that keeps getting better and better? You guys can recognize AI voices still, correct? You guys You guys can, it's always because they mispronounce basic things that you know. That's why I can't tell anymore on AI voices until they mispronounce an obvious name incorrectly. And then I'm like, oh, okay, this is computerized.

You know where else I see that? In local broadcasts, Heat, Marlins, wherever. And then the person who's talking about the car dealership says, hi, Alea. Ooh, I know you're not from here.

No job's too big, no pup's too small.

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