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Mike Babcock can be best described with the last 4 letters of his last name, a dick.

What?

So, yes. Don't you get it? The last 4 letters of Babcock. Anyway, why is he getting another chance in the NHL? We'll talk about that. Plus we got Steve Goldstein to talk about the Panthers and the Stanley Cup Final. This is The Hockey Show. [SPEAKING FRENCH] With David Druker, The Hockey News, and with Rose, my name is Roy Bellamy. Before we get to the Stanley Cup Final, we need to talk about what's happening in Edmonton. On Monday, it was reported by Darren Drager that the Oilers met with the NHLPA about objections over possibly hiring Mike Babcock. Babcock has a reputation of being above and beyond abusive to his players in Detroit. According to Chris Chelios, who was on the team at the time, he verbally abused Johan Franzen so badly that he had post-traumatic stress disorder, stress, anxiety, depression, and panic attacks.

Jeez.

He healthy scratched Mike Modano with 1,499 games played in the regular season. He scratched him, did not play his 1,500th game. I mean, that would've been a nice milestone to have, but he did not do that.

2 games left in the season. He needed 2 games to hit 1,500.

No, he needed 1 more game to hit 1,500.

No, he scratched him for the second to last game, so he would have to play the last game without reaching the milestone. It was like double bleeped up.

Yeah, it was terrible. Now in Toronto, he made Mitch Marner list his teammates in order, in a list, in order of how hard they worked. And then made Marner say this list in front of the entire team. Like, that's just embarrassing.

He's like a mean teacher. Like, stand up in front of the class and insult everybody.

Yeah. Yeah. And he had to resign in Columbus after taking cell phones of the players and making them show the pictures that they had saved on their phone. So that's invading the players' privacy. And he had to resign, uh, resign before training camp.

Yeah, so there was never— the investigation never happened back then. He resigned before anything could kind of— the wheels did start moving.

Yeah.

Wow.

Well, the NHL never completed that investigation because of that resignation. Now, Frank Cervalli said, um, that there was another reason, a worse reason.

Yeah.

Not that reason.

A yet to be revealed reason.

Yeah. So a receipt of significant additional claims from the NHLPA's own investigation that was not publicly reported in 2023. So that is the reason why he really had to resign. And that's the reason why the NHL did not complete their investigation because he resigned.

He was no longer an employee.

So with all that said, now Edmonton wants to hire him as their head coach and they, Apparently the players want this. Apparently the leadership, the leaders of the team, the players wanted this. So I guess maybe Connor McDavid wanted somebody to yell for him on behalf of him instead of himself. Maybe that's the case.

He needs to take a walk, man. Just needs to take a walk.

Yeah, so—

I have a story. A teacher story. If you're interested after.

Yes, I am very much.

Rose had a Babcock teacher.

I guess so. We'll get to that story in a second, but let's talk about Babcock right now. We talked to Sarah Sivian a couple of weeks ago about guys getting second, third, fourth, and fifth chances in this league. And one of those guys is Stan Bowman, the general manager of the Edmonton Oilers. He's getting his second chance after ignoring sexual assault allegations while he was the general manager for the Chicago Blackhawks. And now he, who is on a second chance, is giving somebody a fourth chance, basically, at a head coaching decision. What do you think about what's happening in Edmonton, Dave?

I think it's interesting that the players are pushing for this. If that's what the leadership is doing, I think it's kind of indicative of the way the last few seasons have gone for Edmonton with the two Stanley Cup Final losses and then getting, what, ousted in round one this year. I think the players are kind of looking for a panic button to hit, and if you're looking to hit the nuclear option, Mike Babcock might be the best possible nuclear option that they could take. Look, he's a winner. He's won. Like, that we know. He's won gold medals, he's won Stanley Cups.

One Stanley Cup.

One Stanley Cup.

We have a winner.

Two gold medals.

Yeah.

But then he's also got a reputation for treating his players like shit. Maybe the Oilers are fine with that. Maybe they'll take a season of being beaten down if it means that they have a chance to win the Stanley Cup. But just getting back to like what we were saying about Sarah and second and third chances, it's gonna feel like an old boys club in Edmonton if it's Bowman and if it's Babcock. And honestly, who's going to be rooting for that?

Well, apparently not Darnell Nurse because he's asked for a trade.

I think it's not surprising and the timing wasn't surprising either.

No, it doesn't make any sense to me how these people who have been abusive to players are able to get another chance in this league. And the fact— maybe they're masochistic.

Maybe.

I mean, you said maybe the players want it. Maybe they do want it. Maybe they want a kick in the ass because apparently Chuck Knobloch did not— Chuck Knobloch.

Chris Knobloch.

Chris Knobloch. Baseball. I grew up playing baseball.

Apparently Chris Knobloch was hitting shots in the gap. Connor McDavid wants home runs.

Yep. Chris Knobloch did not pass the test in the years that he was there, even though they've gone to 2 Stanley Cup Finals.

Yeah, that's tough. 2 straight Stanley Cup Finals, 3 straight playoff appearances, not good enough. And then they're going to go to Mike Babcock.

Yeah, that is a regression.

Who hasn't coached in the NHL in over 10 years.

Yeah.

Over 10 years, including a stint that did not last even before training camp.

This is still— I mean, in one sense, it's very shocking. In another sense, it's like, well, what else were the Oilers going to do?

Yeah. Apparently Rose has a Mike Babcock type teacher that she has a story about. So Rose, what is the story?

Yeah, I'm gonna try to be fast, but in school, like, my conduct was not that very good. So I had a teacher—

She was a bad girl.

No, not in that way, but I talked too much. Like, you know, I am hyper. So right now it's like 50% less of what it was in school.

What?

Yeah, I know. So this teacher was like, there's someone today that it was very bad what she did, and I'm not gonna say her name, but she knows she just disrupted the class, so I'm gonna talk to her after class because this cannot happen.

Rose, stay.

I'm like, what?

Wow, man.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm not gonna name this student Rose.

Rose, stay. I'm like, buddy, your entire speech just went to trash. So yeah, she was a bully. She bullied me.

She picked on you the entire time and not anybody else?

Oh yeah, but I also understand some of them because I also was a—

Was this like a religious school where you got hit with rulers and stuff?

No, we did not get hit with rulers, but it was a religious just girls' stores.

Verbal rulers.

No, it was not a nun's school, but it's just only girls, Catholic.

Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't get that paddle. That's what the Catholic schools are known for.

No, I got kicked out 3 times, but the 3 times they got me back because I know—

You were expelled 3 times?

Yeah, but I don't know how to get my way back because I have a way with words in Spanish, in English now.

Ah, okay. The Hurricanes now lead the Stanley Cup Final 3 games to 2.

Segue!

Over the Golden Knights with their 4-2 Game 5 victory. It really felt like Carolina dominated that entire game. Although Vegas had scored on a power play, I believe it was a power play, Pavel Dorofayev scored on. In fact, he was the only person that provided offense for the Vegas Golden Knights as he had the 2 goals for Vegas in this game.

Yes, power play goal.

Yeah, Vegas didn't look good, man.

No, that's the thing. Like after the game, I'm thinking to myself, was this Carolina's best game of the series or was it Vegas's worst game of the series? And I think the answer is just yes, but I think I think it's more Vegas just looked bad. Like compared to what we'd seen in the series, and maybe it's a credit to Carolina because it's kind of what we've seen in other series where it takes them a little while, but once they get rolling, they start to look really good. Now Carolina's won 2 in a row. Vegas has looked bad. They really struggled to get anything going last night. Let me open up the stat sheet here. What, 25 shots for Vegas to 24 shots for Carolina, and Vegas more attempts, they just didn't capitalize, and that's— I feel like that's been the story of the last 2 rounds, whether it's been the East or the West, is just teams not being able to capitalize. It crippled, crippled Colorado. Uh, they just couldn't find the back of the net. And now Vegas, uh, is struggling to produce offense at a time where their goaltender cannot stop giving up goals.

Andrey Sveshnikov scored 2 power play goals, and Vegas was very, very undisciplined in this game. In fact, Mark Stone had a double minor. For high sticking, and that was not great.

Just as I'm texting Roy, I think Mark Stone's about to score for Vegas. He's going into the penalty box, like, great. God, can I pick him?

Connor Hart gave up 4 or more goals in each and every game in the Stanley Cup Final. That has never happened before, so congratulations, you have made history, Connor Hart. And I don't think not a single person outside of Vegas is crying over that at all.

No, there's some people in Vegas.

That's another second chance situation, by the way. Uh, yeah, so, um, John Tortorella has apparently guaranteed a Game 7 back in Raleigh, saying, and I quote, like I always do, "I'm going to leave my clothes here, that's for sure." Where though?

Like, does he—

They're good, they're gonna be in a hotel.

Leaving them in the hotel room? Are they keeping the hotel room for another 2 days? Is he leaving them at the front desk? Like, I need more information.

Maybe, maybe not, who knows.

Did he give them to the homeless guy outside the hotel? He said he'll get them.

Yeah, I just said it.

Where in the hotel? Is he just gonna leave him on the couch in the lobby?

The holding room with the rest of the bags.

In the room maybe, yeah.

Rose, what do you have?

Well, uh, surprisingly I was watching the game yesterday.

Surprisingly.

Yeah, because I don't want— like, I had 3 games on.

World Cup, yeah.

Yeah, and I think the moment it all turned out, it was when McNabb got that power play right after the other power play just ended.

The penalty? Yeah, that penalty.

And they gave them— I think they just gave Carolina their boost, and then they just lost lost like their confidence in themselves because they were trying too hard and—

That was the first—

Hitting everything. That was the first power play goal. That was when they went up 2-1.

Yeah, 2-1.

Yeah. McNabb, by the way, he got away with a couple of penalties on that one, so he finally got caught.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's starting to get ugly, which, you know, that's what you expect at this point of the playoffs when the series gets this deep, but that's kind of the fun part.

Mm-hmm. The final NHL award winners were announced this week. Nikita Kucherov has won the Hart Trophy. He's the most valuable player as chosen by the Professional Hockey Writers Association. It was the closest vote in that award's history. He won by 10 points. That is a single first-place vote. Those 10 points.

You're welcome, Nikita. He was at the top of my ballot.

Yeah, well, I didn't vote, so unfortunately I don't have that power as of yet. He won that over Connor McDavid. Connor McDavid was second. Connor McDavid, by the way, won the Ted Lindsay Award, which is MVP as voted on by his fellow members of the NHL Players Association. So the players believed that he was the MVP this season. Uh, Andrzej Waskielewski, uh, was awarded the Vezina Trophy for best goaltender. Gabriel Landeskog won both the Marc Messier NHL Leadership Award for leadership on and off the ice and the Masterton Trophy, which is a vote that I do have for president, uh, Perseverance, sportsmanship, and dedication to hockey. The decision on the Masterton Trophy must have been a close one as well.

Yeah.

I didn't see no numbers on that one, but Ramses Dahlin and Jonathan Toews were the other finalists in that award. So that really, really must have been close. Now you are a voter. Did you agree with the winners?

Well, yeah, as I just said, obviously I agreed with the Kucherov winning because he was at the top of my ballot.

That wasn't mine.

Yeah, I thought he was otherworldly for so much of the season for Tampa. I did just find the Masterton voting results if you would like me to—

Yeah.

So it was actually not that close. Landeskog won by over 100 points.

Oh wow, okay.

The top 3 were far and away better than the rest of the field. But yeah, I mean, Anze Kopitar was 4th, Ulmark was 5th, Brad Marchand was 22nd.

22nd. So that was our representative. The Florida chapter of the PHWA picked Brad Marchand. No first place votes. Wasn't even close. No first place votes.

One second place vote and 5 third place votes.

All right. So there you go.

Thank you.

You're welcome. So yeah, those are all the award winners for the NHL Awards. And they're done. There's not going to be another announcement.

One more award to go.

Oh, there's one outside of the Stanley Cup?

No, the Conn Smythe.

Oh, the Conn Smythe. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's true. Oh man, that's the other thing. Who's the Conn Smythe so far? Because before—

Sebastian Aho.

No, I'm just kidding. No. Before Game 4 and 5, there was a good chance that maybe Mitch Marner could have won even if Carolina had won the Stanley Cup. But Jordan Staal is taking over.

It's Jordan Staal, right?

Yeah.

No. Look, nobody else on Carolina, like going into the series, we're like, well, maybe it's Freddie Andersen, who's clearly not gonna be the Conn Smythe winner at this point.

No.

But yeah, if Carolina closes it out in Vegas and if he scores it— what did he have, 6 goals in 5 games? It's gotta be Jordan Staal.

Yeah, so yeah, it's looking like Jordan Staal if Carolina wins. But if Vegas wins, Mitch Marner?

Well, if Vegas wins—

Doughty or McAvoy leads the team in goals, right?

It's gonna be TBD to whoever carries them over the next 2 games. Whether it's Mark Stone or Mitch Marner or whoever it is, somebody in Vegas is gonna step up.

It's time for Puck Luck. It's brought to you by DraftKings. DraftKings, the crown is yours. David, what do you got?

Well, Rose, are you good?

Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Okay.

Are you just laying on the ground?

She looks like one of those wacky waving inflatable arms.

I am in charge also of producing, so I have to do something.

Do you need to do the intro again, or am I good to puck luck?

No, you're ready to puck luck, brother.

All right.

Might as well go ahead.

Last puck luck of the season. Probably, yeah.

Yeah, because there's not going to be another game before next week's show.

Let's go out with a bang.

The easiest one—

Oh, actually, there is no show next week. It's Juneteenth, so there's no show next week. Weehee!

So this is the last Puck Luck.

Yeah, this is the last Puck Luck of the season.

Let's hit big. Carolina over 2.5 goals for their team total. This is a pretty easy one. They've scored at least 4 goals every day in this series and have looked great in each of their last 2 wins. So let's take Carolina's goals there. We're going to take Jordan Staal over 2.5 shots on goal. Talked about how good of a series he's having. 17 shots on 26 attempts during the series, over in all but one game, and he had 9 shots in 11 attempts during the two games in Vegas. And finally, we're going to take Golden Knights defenseman Rasmus Andersen over 1.5 shots on goal. 12 shots on— I wrote 205 attempts. That can't be right during the series. I think 20 attempts during the series, and he's been over in all but one game. And that's going to be a— A nice little parlay. I'm sorry, Roy. I don't know what happened there.

Rose and I are having a discussion underneath the show right now about what's next after Puck Luck.

I was asking a question.

It didn't sound like a question. She was asking what was going to be next. It didn't sound like a question. And I'm looking at the rundown right now. I'm like, I know. Yeah, I'm just trying to do what I'm asking.

So sorry, finish, Dave.

That's it. Those are my 3. Carolina team goals, Jordan Stahl over 2.5 shots, Rasmus Asmundsson. They're done. Rasmus Andersen over 1.5 shots on his 205 attempts in the Stanley Cup Final.

All right, so what is next is the Hockey Stat of the Week.

The Hockey Stat of the Week.

Bell Center, Roy.

Yes, sir.

Bell Center, Rose.

Bell Center.

Bell Center, yeah.

All right, so Roy alluded to our stat of the week. Carter Hart has made some history during the Stanley Cup Final. Uh, he made history by giving up 4 or more goals in each of the first 4 games, and he extended that history because now it's 5 games after he gave up another 4 goals.

Congratulations.

During Game 5. Uh, yeah, not, not the best. Uh, like, as Roy kind of alluded, I'm sure there's more people celebrating this than there are wringing their hands about it. After the game last night, a friend of The Hockey Show, Johnny Lazarus, asked John Tortorella about Carter Hart's futility and whether he'd consider making a goaltending change. Here's what Tortz said.

Left side standing up.

John, did you consider at all going to Aidan Hill in the third period, or was there any conversation?

Oh, for Christ's sake, that could be the stupidest question I've heard.

Yeah, the guy is playing so bad, how could you question replacing him? Well, that's so stupid journalism. Like, talk about somebody who's good.

I asked you earlier if Johnny Lazarus was covering the Rangers when John Tortorella was the coach there, and apparently not. So I thought that maybe—

I think Johnny was still in high school when Tortz was coaching the Rangers.

It's been that long?

It was 2013.

God.

Was his last season with the Rangers. I am so old. I did text Laz this morning to kind of, you know, find out a little bit more. He said he's interacted with Tortz before. That wasn't the first time, but he's wearing it like a badge of honor today.

I'm sure he is. Uh, geez. I would too. Getting reamed there by John Tortorella, I definitely would too.

For asking a totally reasonable and valid question.

Yeah, yeah, he's just angry that they were a game away from being an Olympian.

He didn't know where he was going to leave his clothes in that moment, so he was a little flustered. Like, he's like, where am I going to keep my suit?

Probably left it in the interview room.

He's going to watch my underwear.

Yeah, it's time for wins and fails of the week. What is your win, David?

All right, my win of the week, we're going to go back to Lenovo Center in Raleigh. They were holding these really cool watch parties, as we've seen happen during the Stanley Cup Final. They packed the house, but in addition to playing the game on the jumbotron, they had a player tracker going on on the ice that was incredibly accurate, like, to the goals, the puck moving, just a really cool element to their watch parties that I think the fans really enjoyed and appreciated, and I wanted to give it a little bit of air. I thought that was a really neat way to do it.

Yeah, that's very nice. Uh, my win is the Brantford Bulldogs. Who picked Sophie Jovan— I'm sorry, Jovanovic. Make sure I get her name correctly. It's a hard C. Yeah. 40th overall in the Ontario Hockey League's Under-18 Priority Selection Draft. She's the first woman ever drafted in the Under-18 draft and the second female player to be drafted in the OHL. Taya Currie was the first when she was drafted 267th overall overall in 2021. So, uh, Sophie's going to be the goaltender at the University of Wisconsin. So good on her.

Congratulations.

Go Badgers!

You're now in the OHL. So you got drafted. Good on you. Go Badgers. All right. Uh, Rose, do you have a win?

Um, I'm so sorry, guys. Yes. Um, my win of the week is the World Cup is here and that—

Soccer?

Yeah, World Cup. Yeah, that's Me and my bloods, and I'm excited about it, like every 4 years, and let's go Portugal! Let's go for todo!

So you are cheering for Portugal?

Yeah, I want them to win it all, because Guatemala is not there, so it's not that I have a team team, and the rest, like, my second team, as I told you in Mr. Crit, is Ghana, because of a thing that happened when I was like 12 years old, but—

'Cause of a thing.

Yeah, go listen to Mr. Crit if you want that story. But I want, I want Portugal to win all this and El Bicho to have, uh, to live with his World Cup because it's gonna be his last one.

Okay, so is Messi playing final World Cup?

Yeah, yeah. Uh, so sorry, for Cristiano Ronaldo I, I meant.

Well, he's Portugal.

Yeah, yeah. But when I say El Bicho, that's Cristiano Ronaldo, if you didn't understand.

Uh, oh, sorry, I apologize.

Yeah, for the hockey fans listening to the hockey podcast.

Yeah. No, and for these guys, because these guys also died. Did you know?

No, I didn't know.

Okay, sorry. So yes, I want them to win, woo! That's why we're not at the weekend, and now I'm watching a lot of games because of that.

So you've started to watch soccer games instead of the Stanley Cup Finals.

No, no, no, I have 3 yesterday.

She has multi-screens.

3 screens. I had Kaitlyn Clark, I had the World Cup, and then I have, that's why I told you, I was watching it and I knew that they messed up when McNabb had that, penalty.

I have a WNBA comment for you, by the way. I've been kind of inundating myself with it more and more. Why is Angel Reese so hard to like? She's so abusive to the other players. She plays rough, and I can appreciate that, but it's, you know, because there's—

yeah, they have some things with their egos that if you don't know how to control that, you can get off as someone that is a little bit rough. So I just think she needs a little bit of more help with like—

Maturing?

PR. No, PR and all that.

Oh, you said—

Oh yeah.

Her image needs work.

Yeah, all of them are girls, like they're kids coming out of college, so you understand, and like they're under a lot of eyes. So yeah, it's hard for them, but I think she like, she should just, as also, For me, that I love Caitlin Clark, I think she's right now that she's fighting with the refs all the time, it's like, buddy, it's gonna get old, and that's why you're getting bad press.

Well, that was it with the Angel Reese thing. Like, she pissed off the coach from, I think it was the Washington Mystics, so bad that the cops had to escort him off the court. You didn't see this? I'll send you the video. Yeah, the coach was so mad and he would not stop going at the refs for the way that the players were getting hit in the face and stuff that His coaches couldn't control him. The cops had to escort him off the court.

Yeah, so I just think it's those kind of things that, you know, they're kids and they don't know how to control their— well, I'm not saying they don't know how to. They're in a moment where it's harder.

No, I'm not gonna say it.

No, me. It's harder because we've all been that age, so I don't know. Like, we're not in their positions, but I have had the same problems sometimes that some of them, they're hard to like, because of—

Oh, you had that problem in school with the, uh, the teacher that you have, the Mike teacher?

No, in school teachers had problems, uh, liking me. Uh, yeah, I didn't like my— I, I am friends with one of my teachers now.

Um, so yeah, that's great.

I'm a great person.

Yes, yes, you are definitely, uh, you are definitely a great person.

Um, I try.

Let's go to fails. David, what's your fail?

Uh, former 4th overall pick and former Florida Panther Jesse Pulijärvi was part of Finland's gold medal-winning team at the IHF World Championships a few weeks back. Apparently he's already lost his gold medal, Roy.

Oh.

According to the Finnish podcast, Juheliruukat— God, I butchered that, I'm sorry.

Yeah, it was a good day, boy.

Pulijärvi, he lost it somewhere in the Helsinki metropolitan area and it was reportedly stolen at a place called the Ake Karaoke Bar. People in the area have been asked to look for the medal at karaoke bars around Helsinki. Apparently, Plijarvi was doing a cool thing. He was just kind of letting it be passed around the room so people could check it out and sharing it with people, but then somebody was a douche and just decided to pocket it and take off with it. I think his quote here, it's, "It really doesn't have any value to anyone other than those who won it. I will offer the person who returns it ice cream, a coffee with a bun, or even both if I get it back." Ooh. Now that's a sweet reward offer.

Coffee ice cream with a bun.

Give it back to him, Roy.

Well, I can, I can tell that guy that I lost my credential for the finals, so.

Yeah, I'm sure that's, uh, he feels the same way. He feels—

Nah, yeah, exactly.

You got a new credential. He's not getting a second credential.

Wait, he could have asked for one.

No.

I don't think that's how it works.

Oh, come on.

They're not cheap. It's like a big chunk of gold.

Well, he won.

Like, they're not like It's not like iron with gold painted on, like they're actual piece— chunks of gold.

Oh, okay. Yeah, they bite into it.

Yeah, okay.

Why is there this zeal to give votes to Sidney Crosby for NHL awards that he doesn't deserve?

Oh my God. Because everybody but you loves Sidney Crosby.

He got a vote for the Selke Trophy last week. A first place vote at that. This week he got 3 votes for the Hart Trophy, 1 fourth place vote, and 2 fifth place votes for a grand total of 5 points. That's tying them for 12th on the ballot. I want names, David. I want names. I want to know who these 3 people are who gave him votes for the Hart Trophy.

The NHLPA will release the— or not the NHLPA, excuse me. When? The, um, PHWA will release all that. Usually right after the playoffs is over is when all that comes out, but you'll be able to see. Kudos to whoever gave 2 5th place votes to Dan Vladar, though. He was outstanding for the Flyers and really the reason that they did much of anything, so I like seeing that in the list.

Yeah, uh, and Ilias Romanov, Sorokin got a vote.

Yeah, well again, two great goaltenders, but the fact that Vladar is higher than Sorokin, even though Sorokin had a better season, Vladar perhaps more impactful, certainly towards the end, but goalie glove.

Yeah, that's a biased member of the goaltenders union right there.

I don't try to hide it.

Yeah, you sure don't. Rosie, what is your fail?

Ah, actually I have another win.

And it has nothing to do with hockey.

You have another win?

Yeah, I got Jamie to join us for Off Campus.

My Jamie?

Yes.

My wife?

Your wife. So I'm taking a second win. What can I say? I'm a girl of wins.

My wife passed me in Off Campus.

Yeah.

She started and watched the whole thing in like a week.

All right, all right.

Jamie.

That's my other win, yeah.

Jamie is going to join us in a few minutes. But what is your fail?

Oh, I don't have a fail. Took it for another win because I am not a girl fails. I don't fail.

That's confidence right there.

That's a— that right there is my second fail for you being so proud of what you did.

Okay, my fail is Mexico winning. I didn't want Mexico to win.

Wasn't there like 3 red cards in that game?

Yeah, yeah.

There's your fail. The 3 red cards.

Yeah, no, no, because it was 2 red cards for South Africa and 1 for Mexico, and Mexico didn't do anything with 2 boys— guys already out of the pitch. Like, 2 less guys out on the pitch and they don't score more? Come on.

Do we have a little extra time to talk about something, or?

Yeah, actually, I wanna bring this up because there was another coaching vacancy that was—

That's what I was gonna bring up, you asshole!

I'm sorry, I apologize.

No, I'm happy about this. That was a happy asshole.

The Los Angeles Kings have hired Peter LaViolette as their new head coach. So he is taking over for a team that will not have Anze Kopitar on their squad next year as he is retired. Dave, what is your opinion about this one?

I think it's super interesting because the Kings have been this like defensive-minded team for years that have really tried to, you know, wear you down. And now they've hired a coach that's an attack, attack, attack type of coach. So I think it could be fun and exciting. I'm curious if the Kings are going to have to maybe think about the way that their roster personnel is made up. But look, I think for a team like the Kings that have kind of been on the cusp for the last several years, they couldn't get out of the first round, but they've always been kind of decent. This, this could make things— it could go either way pretty starkly. But I don't know, this— when I saw it, I was happy. I was like, all right, cool. Let's get some exciting hockey in LA. I liked it.

All right. So yeah, I think that's definitely a good hire as well. His last stint was with the New York Rangers before they went with Mike Sullivan, I believe. That was his last stint. His last year was 2024-25. So yeah, that was his—

Yeah, he was there when the Panthers played the Rangers in the conference final, I believe.

Yeah, we were there to see that team lose. But yeah, I mean, won a Stanley Cup with Carolina after he took over for Paul Maurice. That was his second year. So yeah, he has winning experience. He went to the conference championship with Philadelphia, went to the conference championship with Nashville, of all teams. That was the team with PK Subban, and they lost, unfortunately, to a team that has apparently a person on it who did not deserve any consideration for the Hart Trophy but got 3 votes anyway.

He also has never been investigated or indicted, so he's got that going for him.

Yeah, so very good.

Yeah.

That we know of.

Well—

That we know of.

That's, yeah. I'll take it. It's better than what we talked about earlier in the segment.

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You usually find Steve Goldstein calling Florida Panthers games at Scripps Sports. He had a little bit of extra time on his hands. Very unfortunate for us and him because, you know, Panthers hockey wouldn't usually go past Yeah.

April. We're usually doing stuff at the arena. Goldie's busy hanging out in Sunrise.

Yeah.

He has been hanging around everywhere, though.

Yeah. Yeah, he has because he's had a little extra time on his hands, so he called postseason games for SportsUSA up until the Stanley Cup Final. We will talk about the Florida Panthers in a little bit, but let's start with the final and how this series has gone. What did you make of Game 5 and the series in general?

Well, the series has been great. It really hasn't surprised me that it's as close.— you know, as tight as it is, I thought it would go 6 or 7 games. It will do that. But in particular, you know, the goaltending hasn't for the most part been great. So we've seen high-scoring games, but Carolina, you know, they've been knocking on the door for like 8 years now. Obviously they lost the 2 series to the Panthers in '23 and '25, or else I think they would've had a good chance to win the Cup. Both of those, those years. So, hey, they still got to get this through 60 more minutes. But they look like a team that is conditioned enough and experienced enough where they've, they've experienced enough disappointment that they may be able to win one more, break down that door, win that Stanley Cup. And from the Vegas standpoint, it's pretty obvious, Roy, you know, Jack Eichel is not 100%. And now William Carlson is probably done for the series. That's their top 2 centers. And as we know, you know, it's a war of attrition, these Stanley Cup playoffs. These guys have been going for like 9 and a half months now, going back to last September and the preseason.

And you get those injuries and you get beat up. Sometimes that is a major difference in a series. And right now— And give Carolina credit for it because the way Rod Brind'Amour runs that thing, That team is well conditioned and they appear to be at least relatively healthier than Vegas right now.

You mentioned that the goaltender hasn't been great and neither has the defense all that much either. Especially for Vegas in Game 5. Do you see that trend actually continuing, especially considering that William Carlson's out?

Well, you know, it, it's tough playing against Carolina. We know this, you know, when these guys are on their game, It's pressure all over the place. And you know, they play a lot like the Panthers play. And we know when, you know, when it's going as a unit, when there's 5-man units on the ice, the D and the forwards, it's difficult to handle. It's frustrating to handle. And it's pretty miserable. And now really for the first time for the Hurricanes, you kind of throw in that they're able to score enough goals. And you know, when you win the Cup, you get these playoff heroes that kind of come out of nowhere. And Jordan Staal as a goal scorer appears to be that. The other factor is when you look at Vegas, you know, Carter Hart's never been through this before. It's a grind. Some of it may be physical, some of it may be mental, but this guy's given up 4 goals every single game. No one's ever done that through 5 games. The first 5 games of a Stanley Cup Final, number one, it's usually more lower scoring. And number two, if you give up 4, Once, twice, 3 times, 4 times, very often the team will make a change in goal.

Vegas hasn't done that. So hey, right now it looks like it favors Carolina, but you know, Vegas has a great chance to win Game 6 at home. And then as we all know, you get to a Game 7 and it's kind of all bets are off. But it's fascinating that 9 of one of these goaltenders has really been through this before. And one of them's gonna be, be hoisting the Cup in the next few days.

Usually when we get to this point of the playoffs at the final, like it's like the cream has risen to the top. We're seeing the best hockey of the best playoffs in all of sports, but this year it, to me, it's kind of felt almost like a really good, fun, and exciting first-round series because there's been so many defensive lapses, the goaltending has been subpar. To me, it just doesn't feel like a final. It's great, exciting, fun hockey, but what I've grown accustomed to at this point is just, I guess, what we've been spoiled with the Panthers for the last several years. But what's your opinion been on it, Goldie? Like, I know you said it's been a fun final to this point, but do you agree? that it's been a little nontraditional in that sense?

A little bit nontraditional, but you— but you go back, you know, some of those Panthers-Oilers games were pretty high-scoring as well. You know, you had some, some, some goals in games. But, but to your point and what Roy said about the defensive, you know, effectiveness really of both teams, yeah, you figured it would be more locked down. Nobody expected the high-scoring series that we've had. And again, style of play, defensively, those are certainly factors, but you haven't had a goalie on either team really steal a game in this series, and that's pretty rare. Usually you get, you know, at least once in a series where either both goalies or one goalie gets, you know, gets on a big roll. I thought Brandon Bussing in game number 5 was very good. So yeah, it's been a little bit untraditional. And I think that's what's kind of made it, you know, fun that, you know, the Stanley Cup Final and the NBA Final this year, both series have been untraditional. And I think that's made it great for fans. Even again, I'm all about bringing new people to the party and everybody, whether you know one player in the NBA besides LeBron James or not, knows what the New York Knicks did in game number 4.

And there are so many people that don't watch hockey all year that are now turned on by this series because of the comebacks and the tight games and the high-scoring games. So non-traditional, yes, but I'd say in some ways, in a good way.

You're a New Yorker, so I'm not really surprised that you brought up the Knicks there. So good on you there, Goldie.

You know what, Roy? I'm Anthony Mason, Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Derek Harper, Pat Riley, Jeff Van Gundy, New York. And you know, then being here in Florida, obviously I root for the Heat. So I'm one of those rare people with that great rivalry that can actually like both teams. But yeah, it's nice to see. That said, that series isn't over yet either. Nothing's done till it's done. We know that.

Yeah. Well, it's like the Rolling Stones and the Beatles. You can only pick one. So you gonna have to pick one. Freddie Anderson was lifted in game Week 3 and has been a healthy scratch ever since. Now, keep in mind that Freddie Anderson's agent was Claude Lemieux, who tragically passed away a couple of weeks ago. So this could— this is obviously going beyond an injury. Could the Carolina Hurricanes be protecting Freddie from maybe mental health issues because he lost a good friend?

You know, any kind of speculation, Roy, on that is fair. That's possible. In general, during his career, Freddie has broken down at times physically. Obviously didn't play a lot in the regular season. So maybe it's physical, maybe it's a little bit physical, maybe some of it is mental, but he's not even, you know, he's not even the third goalie. Obviously he's not the backup. He's not even the third guy. They called the guy up from the AHL yesterday. So it kind of tells you all didn't need to know Either way, you gotta feel for the guy, whether you like the Hurricanes, you know, like Freddie Andersen or not, you know, as a player. He takes them all the way to this level, right? He gets a couple wins in the Stanley Cup Final, and now apparently he may be finished, or they're just giving him a few days off and he comes back. I don't know the answer to that, but— Yeah, it's a strange situation to see something like that happen.— in the middle of a series. And hey, kudos to Carolina for really not letting them affect them too much. And you know, obviously from a hockey standpoint, Brandon Bussey had an amazing season, played most of the season, you know, a big stretch there from early on until late, you know, midseason.

He was the number one guy. So probably not as big a deal to the players as maybe everybody else. But yeah, hopefully one day, you know, we find out what's going on.

But—

really, hopefully, that he's okay, whether it's physical, mental, or both.

Goldie, we talked about a month ago, uh, when you kind of laid out for me the crazy Stanley Cup Final travel schedule, broadcast schedule.

Yeah.

Uh, it was pretty incredible when you were describing to me all the places you'd gone. And this is a month ago when you talked to me. So there, there could be more, but as of then, Dallas, Boston, LA, Tampa, Las Vegas, Anaheim, and Denver in a span of like 3 weeks. Uh, and that was just the beginning of round 2. So how crazy has your schedule been over the last month and how much have you just loved it?

It was pretty wild. It was awesome. And they were actually 2 Tampa trips cuz I did game 5 in Tampa and then I don't think we did a game in between. We didn't. I went home and then I went back to Tampa for game 7 and then went to the next place, uh, from there. So I was real thankful for the opportunity. Uh, obviously wish the Panthers were in the playoffs and busy with that so you couldn't do anything else, but It was a lot of fun. The West Final day felt like nothing because, you know, you're in the same place for 2 games in each city. So it felt like there was like no travel for that thing. And shockingly, Vegas ended up, as we know, sweeping Colorado. So I was done quickly, but I appreciated the opportunity. It was a lot of fun. And hey, we all know that there is nothing like the Stanley Cup playoffs. I mean, I was just a small part of it. Imagine for these players where like they literally don't know, you know, if there is a tomorrow when you start getting late in the series. That's what makes hockey and that's what makes this tournament the best.

So one two-part question for you based off of your travels and then something that Panthers fans threw at me after we talked last month. The first part is of all the buildings you went to this year, what was the loudest? The second part is when you call an overtime game, do you still say, "Let's go home, baby," or is that something you save for just the Panthers?

I can answer the second part cuz I did game 5 in Denver when they eliminated Minnesota and Brett Kulak scored and I did not.

There it is.

Say let's go home baby.

There it is.

That is, that is reserved right for South Florida. Now I have had the question, as you know, I do the Dolphins preseason games. If they get a walk-off touchdown or, you know, obviously more likely a field goal, and it's only preseason, would I do a let's go home baby? And, and I think the answer is no.

Hmm.

Because it's preseason. If I ever, you know, did a regular season game of one of our, like a Dolphins game, then maybe I would do it. I, that hasn't been determined yet. But you know, the Panthers won a game, might've even been Sanders Vilminis. Was it last year? Didn't he score against Carolina in overtime? And anyway, it was a preseason Panther win in overtime. And I did not say it. So I think, and this is by the way, completely unplanned. None of this is laid out. You just happen to bring it up. So I'm thinking about it. It would appear to me that it's reserved for Florida Panthers regular season and playoffs. That, that's what I think. Yeah. Now that I think about it.

Jack Studnicka had the overtime goal against Carolina. So pretty good memory on your part. You knew it was a, a, a Charlotte guy.

But apologies to Jack.

Loudest building. What's your take?

You know, Game 7 Tampa, just 'cause it was a Game 7, was really loud.

Well, it was all the hockey fans in there too. Yeah.

That's true. When McKinnon scored in Game 5 in Colorado, remember they were, Minnesota had a 3-nothing lead. It looked like we were gonna go back to Minnesota for Game 6. I was really looking forward to the Dairy Queen at the Delta Terminal, the Minneapolis Airport. There's a terrific location there. But then remember, Colorado came back. I think Jack Drury scored to make it 3-1. Then they made it 3-2. And then Nathan McKinnon scored on that shot. If you remember that shot when he beat Vahlstadt with about 2 minutes left to force overtime. By the way, it's the same shot that he missed in the Olympics.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That, yeah, same shot, same location. That place was nuts when McKinnon scored the force overtime. At least the games that I went to, that was the loudest. I will say this, along with Tampa Game 7, a close second was Game 4 in Anaheim when the Ducks pounded Vegas. You know, Beckett-Seneca scored that. They got it rolling pretty good there. I'll tell you what, Anaheim, smaller building, low ceiling. That place was rolling pretty good. But I'll say the McKinnon game-tying goal in Colorado, at least for me, that was the loudest of all the buildings I was in.

As we talk about the Florida Panthers, for those of you who are in South Florida, the team will host an NHL Draft watch party at the Baptist Health Iceplex Friday, June 26th. Festivities will begin at 5:00 PM, and Goldie will host a live panel before the draft. So those of you down here, you can go ahead and check that out. Now, the Panthers are going into the offseason, with decisions to make. They are still trying to figure out how they're going to re-sign Sergej Bobrovsky. That negotiation is taking way too long, and now there's word— there's a lot of people were talking about maybe they might trade him, and they got the 9th overall pick as trade bait that they can use in a package to acquire a player. Could that player be Dylan Larkin? Could that player be Connor Hellebuck? Hopefully not Jordan Bennington. What do you see the Panthers doing in the offseason, Bodhi? Ah, that's a good question.

Hopefully not, huh?

Well, I see them, if they acquire Jordan Binnington, not giving you the first interview after that. I can see that, Roy.

Yeah.

You know, it's a great question. As we know, Bill Zito is great at exploring all options. They've got Roberto Luongo in that goaltending excellence, you know, group. So, you know, they're on top of all this. They didn't all of a sudden get to April and May and be like, oh, what are we going to do in They've been thinking about this for a long time. So it's pretty fascinating. You know, they re-signed Cooper Black. I'm not sure if he's the starter in the AHL or if he would be the fourth guy. So are they still looking at bringing in 3 goalies? As you know, you need 3. Maybe Black would be the third. I don't know the answer to that yet. And then of course, you're wondering who the starter is going to be or whether it's a 1A, 1B situation. So there is— I'm just guessing. There's a ton of balls in the air. Things need to fit financially. One thing the Panthers are great at is managing that salary cap. And so they probably got like boards, right? With like 7 or 8 different scenarios. So if Dave Dwork's our goalie and he's making $2 million, or if Roy is our goalie and he's making $3 million, or Rose is our goalie and she's making $5 million, what does that do to this position and this position?

So they've got all this stuff. Kind of mapped out, you know, perhaps Sergei Bobrovsky wants to see what he's worth to another team. Perhaps the Panthers want to see what he would be worth to another team. It's a fascinating situation. And, you know, you do wonder where all of these teams are now with goaltenders because you look at Vegas, right? If they were in the Eastern Conference, they don't even make the playoffs. Okay. They've got a different goalie than when they started the season. The guy wasn't even on the team. Forget about being the starter. So obviously extenuating circumstances with the Carter Hart off the ice situation. But the bottom line is they're going through the whole playoffs with a goalie that wasn't on their team when the season started. Carolina now has shifted to a goalie that wasn't on their team until training camp ended when the Panthers tried to get him down to Charlotte and They claimed him on waivers. You look at Colorado, they didn't get there. They're trying to do it kind of with, hey, make a trade for Mackenzie Blackwood, borderline starter. Well, Scott Wedgwood is a 33-year-old backup. He ended up carrying the ball most of the way.

So I do wonder in the league if there are teams that think about the goaltending position differently, that, hey, if everything else is in place, Do you need the one main superstar guy, or do you want to try to bring in a few different players that you think may have a shot at being that guy in a playoff run and let them battle it out? I, I, you know, I still think the preference would be, if the term and the finances work, to have Sergei Bobrovsky as a Panther. But that said, nobody really knows for sure at this point what Sergei wants, how far the team wants to go. And the Panthers have been so good, you look up and down the roster at finding players that were afterthoughts on other teams. Do they have a goalie or two that are either a backup playing internationally, even a third goalie with some team that they like a lot better than those teams do. Because let's remember, that's how this team built half of this roster, with players that other teams and average fans never even gave a thought of. So I'm pretty fascinated to see how it, uh, how it shakes out over the next 3, 4 weeks.

Well, it should be a lot of fun. Uh, we're going to the NHL Draft in a couple of weeks. We're going up to Buffalo. We're going to see what happens in Who knows? Who knows what Bill Zito has up his sleeve. So Steve Goldstein, we appreciate you joining us here on the Hockey Show.

Thanks for having me. And a little shout out right there to St. Thomas University. They're starting their club hockey team.

Hey.

Okay. They're gonna start playing in August or September. So new college hockey in South Florida. They'll be playing at the Baptist Health Iceplex.

All right. St. Thomas, let's go. All right, good.

I'll get you some gear, Roy. I'll get you some gear.

Oh, awesome. I will work for the Hockey Show. Definitely.

Me too, because I am Catholic.

Yeah, yeah, no, no, not—

Okay, so now you guys are putting in apparel orders, I see. Okay, that's fine.

Send me one. You could have opened the door, Goldie.

You know, I mean—

Yeah, now we kick the door open.

You realize you're talking to radio people. If you dangle free stuff in front of us, we're not gonna say no.

No, but just—

Dave Bork, you would have one problem, okay, with wanting that free stuff. You'd all be behind me in line.

Come on, look who you're talking to, bro.

Come on. That's true, that's true.

No, and just because he's Catholic. If it was another thing, I would say no, but Saint Thomas, ooh.

Well, good for you.

Good for you. You guys got it. I'll get it.

I'll get it.

I'll get it done.

Thank you, Goldie. Appreciate you, man.

That was great, Goldie. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

Thanks for having me.

See you guys. Take care, buddy.

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Off campus, and we are joined by—

We're done!

We're done!

We're joined by Kirsten, uh, thank you for joining us here, and we are joined by David's wife Jamie as well.

What?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we talked about this earlier. Rose, take over please, because I don't want to talk about this.

Yeah, people, I have to bring this— these two ladies, because you two don't give me anything. You just give me negative, so—

I don't give you just negatives. I've said some nice things.

It's just me.

It's not my fault this guy is Just the worst captain I've ever seen.

Yeah, but sometimes he just give me like things that doesn't help me.

So I— That was a Rosa line.

Yeah, that's why I'm gonna ask them first. What do you think? First, I'm gonna go to you, Jamie. What do you think about Off Campus?

I'm obsessed.

Right? I actually just watched, I watched, finished the whole season this week. Yeah. Thank you to my friends, my girlfriends who told me to watch it.

Ah, you asked me, David.

Had nothing to do with it.

Non-David.

She asked, she's like, do you watch this show? I'm like, how do you, of course. Like, do you pay attention to what I do when I'm not home? Like, yeah, I'm like, I've been doing it for weeks. And she's like, oh.

None of the wives do. No, no.

No, I binged it in a week. I already had watched episode 8 a couple of days ago and then I watched it with David last night and now I don't wanna watch a show with him.

Very negative.

Thank you. Yeah, it is everything. I'm like, oh my God, Graham.

Oh, 'cause I critique.

That's what I do. He's taking too much ice time. I'm like, let me enjoy the show. Yes, yes. Rose, when the next season comes out next year, we'll watch it together.

Yeah, yeah.

You two can watch it together. I will not be a part of it.

It's gotta be the three of us and Ethan because Ethan did like it, but ugh.

Of course.

What about you, Kirsten?

I loved it. It is so good and sweet and a little unrealistic, let's be real.

Not just hockey. You don't say.

Not just in the hockey sense, but in the, like, Garrett is written by a woman and it's so clear and all of the men are written by women, 'cause where are, no offense to you two, but where are they?

Where are those kind of guys? They're nowhere to be found.

They're nowhere to be found.

Certainly not in hockey locker rooms, I would think.

No, no.

No.

You don't know.

I mean, I have muscle. Like, I got muscle too.

It's not even that. It's the way they would hold healthy conversations.

Yeah, the maturity.

The maturity.

Where were the immature group texts? That's what I wanna know. No, that's one of the things.

They are emotionally available. Emotionally available.

Exactly.

And they communicate.

Yeah. Yeah, that's very unrealistic.

Sorry, babe.

I have no emotion.

No. And I will, I will say, like Jamie, when we were talking about it yesterday, like she made some very good points that like this show, it's— there's so much positivity among these— this group of friends that they really care for each other, that I think the term she used, what, there's no cattiness, like they're not trying against each other, even though they kind of put little points in the plot where like you could see maybe this guy likes this girl even though she's with this guy. But it never like turned into anything like toxic. They all just took care of each other. And that I thought was a great point that she made. And I agree. That that was something really good about the show.

That really didn't go anywhere, by the way. That subtext of who eventually became captain.

Yes, the deserving captain, by the way.

Oh my God, you and your deserving captain. Like, I do think you deserve to be captain, but Graham was going through a lot of things, so you have to understand—

Kid, don't bring it on the ice with you, dude. That's like hockey 101. You don't take on the ice, off the ice. You don't take it the other way around.

Yeah, you have to take a walk.

Okay, let me ask Amy and Kirsten. —because they were—

Shut up, Roy and Dave. I'm sorry.

They were complaining that Graham, he's a kid and he couldn't be a captain, but I'm like, hey—

No, I'm not complaining that he's a kid. I'm complaining that he's mentally soft. Mentally soft. He's not a captain in terms of his actions.

Kirsten, what did you think about the hockey action in this show?

Was his, like, emotional and physical abuse too much for you?

No, it was too much for what he did for his team. He totally effed his team over. Like, you gotta leave that shit off the ice.

But the thing is, he's only a kid, and—

He got drafted by the Bruins in the first round. He's not just a kid.

He is just a kid. He's 20. So you have to think about him in his head, and you don't know how college kids—

Oh, and the other thing, he got his team's wins vacated, right?

Good job, captain.

Hold on. That's—

And they supported him. Okay, speaking of unrealistic, Kirsten, speaking of unrealistic, The fact that in the show they blamed the Bruins for inviting him to this practice is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard in my life, because any NHL team is going to take care of their prospects better than anything. So the fact that the team that drafted him may have screwed his career blew me away.

Here we go again.

Okay, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not going to say that you're right either, because— Well, thank you. It gave us— it gave us the little bit of drama that we needed because, like, hello, Exactly. We needed that.

Like, in a movie you have to put drama, like based on true stories, you have to be invested.

But they made the hockey elements so insanely like cockeyed. But I guess to keep the friendship and the feelings and all that good. So I'm cool with that. But holy cow, man, like this is a show that's like hockey. If it's not a hockey show, it's certainly a huge premise. And so you're trying to bring hockey people in to watch it is what I'm thinking. And then this is the result.

You're bringing it.

You're bringing women to watch it.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.

Ding, ding, ding. What I told you.

But what about the hockey? What about the hockey? This is a show that has hockey in it.

That's secondary.

Exactly. Hockey is secondary.

I do like, Jamie asked me a question while we were watching last night that I thought was great that I didn't think of on my own. Do you remember what it was? No. It was, she's like, we're watching them, we're talking about how they're paying attention to all these characters and how, and I was bitching about how long the episodes are. And she's like, you know, they really don't pay much attention to the goalies, do they?

Oh, I did say that, yes.

And I'm like, no, you're right, because if— because the goalies are so awesome that the episodes would be 90 minutes long if they had to do anything about the goalies, because, you know, we need some air.

I honestly do not know who the goaltender is, honestly.

Who was the goalie?

I only noticed him at the end. They just like panned to him and he was just sitting there.

Yeah, he was just sitting in the locker room looking at his skates.

Oh yeah, didn't we see him like in the turkey thing?

Maybe there was 50 people in the house for the turkey.

Was he the one reading the book in German? Is that—

What?

At least there would be something quirky about a goaltender. I hope so. Yeah. Hopefully in season 2 they include the goalies a bit more. 'Cause that, that, that's a big fail, I think.

Okay.

Yeah. So now going into the finale, because, uh, that, uh, episode is very intense and very beautiful. And of course, I don't remember a lot of emotions. Yeah.

I told you to rewatch it because I knew you thought I was gonna rewatch it.

It's not gonna happen. Are you kidding me?

So like, in the books she breaks up with him, but here, yes, what they did is that, uh, he breaks up with her. So they made it even, even better because they bring that one trauma and they make it like about it. And when, when he says, uh, you're afraid of me, and she's like, you're not listening, I'm like, oh my God, that killed me, bro.

You just gave me chills because I had no idea that the book has, sorry.

No, I'm good.

The book has her breaking up with him. That's devastating. I'm so glad they went this route because that was a moment of self-realization even though he was not right.

Yeah, that would've sent him into a bad spiral, right?

That would've been a really bad spiral.

After what happened in the game with him beating the shit out of the guy for the girl.

Who, by the way, I was very happy about.

Oh yeah, that guy needed to have his ass kicked. If there was one of the most satisfying elements of the show, was that guy getting his teeth knocked into his throat.

I would definitely only take a 4-game suspension. And that is very—

Graham dropping his stick.

That was Graham. Oh my God, that's when I knew.

I do like that in the finale though, how like he acknowledged, you know, when he was getting the shit together at the end and he went back to the cat— the real captain. Yeah. And he thanked him for like not letting him— like, I thought that was really nice.

Yeah, no, the friendship there and everything.

Like, as you say, like, that guy's eyes are big though.

Yeah. No, he has beautiful eyes.

Oh my God.

He sings.

With his eyes?

Yeah.

He sings with his eyes?

Basically.

Are you in love?

No, but he was in Broadway.

That guy can literally see into your soul.

And so also side note, did you know that he was dating Renee Rapp? Do you know who Renee Rapp is?

Oh, I thought you forgot that. Pat Rapp's daughter.

Yeah, Pat Rapp's daughter.

Yeah.

That's funny. He was or he is?

Pat Rapp.

I don't know.

I don't think so.

Can we strike that?

I don't know.

No, no, that's—

So who's Renee? Who's Renee Rapp? Is she a rapper?

No, she's a singer. She was like a Broadway star. And then she's like, really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're still dating, right?

No.

So is it the girl that is going to be Grace?

The one she's dating now?

I don't know. I think so. Maybe.

Oh, this feels like an episode anyway of All Campus now. We have all the hockey men.

Didn't I read that two people who are on the show are dating?

Oh, I think—

Oh, they're not anymore?

I think— okay, Allie. Allie.

Allie, the hottest girl on the show. Definitely the hottest girl on the show.

Yes, she just—

You say that in front of your wife?

Jamie, do you agree that she's the hottest girl on the show?

I do. She's a young Susan Sarandon. That's who she looks like.

A young Susan Sarandon?

Yes, she does.

I like that.

I think Hannah is also very pretty, so they both are there. My, my perspective. But, um, she was engaged, the, the actress, and she broke up the engagement, and now there's rumors that she's dating Justin the singer.

Ah, the, the curly-haired guy that was Hannah's love interest at the beginning? Yeah, that's who she— that's who— I can't think of her name.

Ally.

Ally's dating in real life, right? That's the— yeah, yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because now on my TikTok, I'm getting all these edits where like they're doing their press press conversations and they're like lifting them up. But yeah, tea.

Oh, but this is going YouTube.

Yeah, there was an F-bomb on Dave's little—

You guys are really bringing it out of me. It was around 12 minutes, okay? Come on.

No, but that doesn't matter, okay?

Rose doesn't care. We're talking about the movie.

I love the scene and how it made a— how do you say it? Comparación con otra película?

Compatible?

No, it was—

It was a remake from a movie. Yeah, from the movie.

Oh, a reboot.

Oh, with the signs.

Oh, Say Anything?

Yeah.

Say Anything, that movie?

No, not Say Anything. The one where he's like holding the signs like, I'm sorry I did this. Oh.

Where he's waiting like this for her.

Oh, on the car?

The guy from The Walking Dead.

Jake, what was his name? Jake. Sixteen Candles. It was Jake, right?

Sixteen Candles.

With Molly Ringwald?

Yeah, that's what we're talking about, right?

So that's the guy from Two and a Half Men.

No, no, that was Ducky.

Yes, but no, that was Ducky.

Emilio Estevez? No, that was Breakfast Club. Uh, yeah, John Hughes movies over here.

We are so far off right now. What, what, what Sixteen Candles are you talking about? Uh, the old one. No, no, I mean what part of it?

Oh, oh, then it was not Sixteen Candles. Well, it was another movie. I don't know. Unbelievable. But that end and, and that conversation, then when she says to Graham 'Girls don't like men that are so available,' and then they kiss. I'm like, 'Ay, qué lindo.' They ask me, 'What, you know a good tutor?' Wow. But, but it ends like— yeah, I think they have a great hook how it ends with, with that fight.

Oh God, I'm scared, Roy, because I like— I'm not watching. We're sitting here talking about it and I'm sitting here kind of— I'm like a little afraid I'm gonna end up seeing season 2.

I'm not watching Well, Roy, maybe you're not, but we are because we need it. And because you see that we ended up with a fight, who doesn't wanna watch what happens next?

What if season 2 is only 30-minute episodes, Roy?

What if it's only 18-minute episodes?

Hey, hey, hi, you would've died in the— Then it better be 20 episodes. Exactly, you would've died in the era of Gossip Girl. It was 21 episodes, an hour, 4 seasons.

Yeah, but that was on TV.

We have to go back for that.

What's your point though?

They were already watching it on last night.

You can binge everything. No, I'm saying it was a TV show as in there were commercials that you couldn't watch it on Netflix or Amazon Prime when that was on. It was a totally different concept. Like now you can watch it all in one night, which apparently all you guys did.

All right, we gotta go. All right, that's enough, that's enough. All right, thank you. Oh boy. I'm sorry, but we have run out of time. Kirsten, thank you for joining us. Jamie, thank you for driving while talking. We appreciate it.

Look, you criticizing someone else's driving is rich, sir.

I'm not on the phone.

God help us if you ever are.

Okay, well, I—

Look, if I ever have to get somewhere far and fast, I'm calling you, but I'm still scared.

You're talking about cars and not off campus? Oh my God.

I'm an offensive driver.

I'm a goalie driver.

Yeah, of course you are. We have a lot— we have a watch-along for games Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final. That is this Sunday as the Hurricanes look to lift the Stanley Cup in Vegas, looking to end the season. So join us at The Hockey Show DLS YouTube page. That's 8 PM Eastern on Sunday. Let's hope for no overtimes. Remember to subscribe to The Hockey Show YouTube page at The Hockey Show DLS, on TikTok at The Hockey Show 7, and on X, Instagram, and Threads. At The Hockey Show DLS. For Jason, for Gino, for Rose, for Kirsten, for Jamie, for David, I'm Roy Bellamy. We will not see you next week. We are off for the next 2 weeks because of Juneteenth next week. We are going to be in Buffalo for the NHL Draft.

Oh, wow. We're not off. We're doing a show in Buffalo.

Yeah, we're doing a show in Buffalo.

The Juneteenth?

We're off next week.

Off next week.

We are back on in 2 weeks.

Which is good because I'll be filming.

Yeah, that's great. All right, we'll see you guys in 2 weeks.

Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Kirsten. You saved the segment. Bless you. You can call me anytime and we can talk about it all. Oh yeah.

We will never talk about this again.