Transcript of Local Hour: Hi, Lucas

So, Dan, we're all sitting around, even right before you get here, and we're tossing around ideas, and what do we want to do for this show today? And we had Jeremy trying to convince people that a Yannis trade bigger than the Super Bowl.

That's not exactly what happened.

That's the gist of it.

It's the gist. What I did say, and I do believe, is that if you get a three-hour window next Thursday where Yannis, Ja, and another superstar are traded, that will be more entertaining than the Super Bowl.

What's wrong with these people? What's wrong with these people? I hear a lot of Super Bowl slander in the office, people next to me. I don't like it.

The only thing-The Super Bowl is important.

It's a national holiday.

Name names, people next to me. Mike Ryan. Name names.

Mike Ryan. Not into it this year.

I'm with Mike.

Because one team isn't in there.

Tony, make it out of 10. Zero out of 10. Rate every Super Bowl matchup. Where's this one? Ever?

Yeah, go through it.

Don't do that to him.

I'm just saying this is like a six.

How is it a six?

It is a six.

Guys, you guys are out of your mind.

Quickly, I can do it inside of five seconds. It's a Super Bowl rematch. They both wear navy. It's going to be an assault on the eyes, and I'm not compelled by the matchup or stories.

Sam Darnold.

The only thing saving this, Tony, and this is where you'll agree with me, the only thing making this competitive, Bad Bunny's Half-Time Show.

That is fair. This is absolutely a football game around Bad Bunny's show. We are all gathering around in 10 days to see Bad Bunny's show. What's going to happen, this is going to be fascinating, a number of different ways to watch the Bad Bunny show, but how many people are going to be introduced to the idea of, Oh, why? I can't stop moving. I don't understand how it is that this makes me move. Wait a minute, I'm moving. I am now dancing. And then juxtaposing that with, Wait a minute, I don't understand what he's saying. What's that language? Get him out of my country.

And why is he wearing a dress?

Yeah, man, that's going to be awesome. It's just going to be the scene of Beetlejuice.

So, Tony, I want to get into, though, what it is that you're saying, because I learned, I did not know this before today, Louis betrayed him. This is I learned today about Tony. Louis says, Yeah, Tony's a Patriots fan. Tony, I didn't know that Tony- Wait, what? Yeah. Thank you. Okay, so I'm not the only one- I feel like he's so Miami. Well, so Tony is a Patriots fan, and I'd like him to explain himself. But we really have gotten hardened when Mike Ryan doesn't like the Super Bowl, and it is the most improbable Super Bowl there's ever been between a team that was 80 to 1 odds before the season and a team that was 60 to 1 odds before the season. That's never happened.

The A narrative of Sam Darnal getting to the Super Bowl after having 17 teams in his wake?

No, there's occasional good stories.

Yeah, you can- You told me there was no story lines you liked.

No, I said I'm not compelled by the majority of the stories.

You're not compelled by Sam Darnal.

To me, the Super Bowl- Mike Vrabel getting to the Super Bowl, he said he would cut off his dick. All right. Okay, dude.

You know about cutting off that dick?

If he was going to do that, I'd watch.

Whoa. No. I would not watch. Why would you watch?

That would make it more entertaining. No.

Absolutely. It's too graphic to actually show it. I would watch, but there's a curtain there. So I'm seeing his reaction.

I'm like, to waste up.

I want to see him react. No, that's more entertaining. Mike Rable cutting off his dick, then the Yannish trade, then the Super Bowl.

Oh, my God.

He should take that back. You should consider taking that back.

This is the Dan Levatore show with the Stugats podcast. They already played the Super Bowl as part of the problem. Seattle and the Rams played the Super Bowl already. And so I understand how it is around here. There might be a lack of enthusiasm for Patriots Seahawks, because beyond that, we'd all prefer to see, except for Zazlo, Ram's Bills, something that's going to have offense in it that we know is going to have offense in it. And these two offenses have been good, but it'd be really easy to forget that the Patriots are good at offense given the last two defenses that they've played against.

I've been slightly misrepresented just because of the nature of sports debate. Look, I like sports. I'm not here to tell you the Super Bowl sucks. I'll get up for it. I'm going to be watching it. I'm excited to watch- You're going to watch Super Bowl? Yeah, I'm going to watch the Super Bowl. I hope. I'm into the Super Bowl. It's just a sliding scale. I'm not that jazzed up for it. It's all right. I'll get there, I guess.

You have many, many days. We're not going to the Super Bowl this year. We will rumage at the big guest bin on Radio Row next week from afar But I want to get to a sentence I didn't think I'd be uttering today. I want to listen to what it is the Dolphin's Long snapper had to say, because the Dolphin talk that we had yesterday with nick Wright caught me off guard. It legitimately caught me off guard when he said simply that cold weather teams are tougher and Miami teams aren't tough because you don't have to deal with cold weather. And I'm like, Man, that seems ridiculous what he's saying there. But then Zaz comes in today, seriously, no sense of irony. He's not joking in any way, and he just looks at me and he says, It's too cold out there.

It's too cold, Dan. I didn't even want to get out of my bed. All right?

Zazlo, it's four degrees in New York. Can you guys give me where it is cold? Never. It's not competition. Give me where it's coldest in the United States right now, because I've got my friends from New York calling me saying, I cannot go outside. It's way too cold. Zazlo is complaining. It was cold this morning for us, but it is still the '50s, right? It didn't get under '50s.

My car said '49 when I got in it. You don't know these car things. You don't really trust.

My wife told me it's going to be in the '30s here this weekend.

It will be. It will be. It was '32 in Orlando, and it was like 39 degrees in Juneau, Alaska.

It is negative 28 degrees in Forest Center, Minnesota.

This is, I believe, the warmest place in the United States right now. I don't know what Arizona and California are doing, but it's got to be warmer right here. I saw some people, college football making fun of the fact that Norvell's hot seat is warming all of Florida, keeping off what is an Arctic cold front. What's second place right now in terms of warmer than us?

Well, it's us because 78 degrees in Malibu. Really?

Nice.

That seems like an awesome place to live.

At 6 AM, too.

Microclimate. The fires.

The fires.

That's the thing. It's weird. They still have a repulses, by the way.

It'll be like 78 in the middle of the winter, and then like 52 one summer. Summer night. California is crazy like that.

The thing that I wanted to get to about the long snapper, though, we'll have to wait because the University of Miami basketball team is a tournament team. They've lost only four times this year. Two of the losses are totally understandable. You lose to B-Y-U. I don't know if you guys saw the Arizona. Bukhshan be called the Arizona. Arizona is unbeaten. They're great. They went to B-Y-U the other day, and they lost by three points. So Miami losing to B-Y-U, There's no shame in that. Miami losing to Florida, there's no shame in that. The loss at home to Florida State was inexplicable because Florida State's not any good. Surprising. And then another conference loss to Clemson. But that's a good basketball team. That is a tournament basketball team It seems like it. Laranaga and Miami weren't able to capitalize the way you would like to off of a final four appearance where you build off it. But what Jay Lucas has done here is repair what's happened at Miami and gotten them back to a place where they can be a tournament team and will be a tournament team, but it probably also means that they're going to lose him.

I'm worried about that, especially with Kentucky's head coach being under a microscope and the results not being there.

I get it that it's Kentucky. You think they're going to get rid of Mark Pope in his second year?

I mean, look what Jay Lucas has done in one year. There isn't a single holdover from the previous season. This is an entire rebuild for Jay Lucas, and he has Dan talking tournament. I want to believe right now they projected in that 10-seat range.

They're 6-2 in the ACC.

The FSU loss was so bad. It was such a bad loss that it made me reconsider this team. If you've seen their game since then, not that they've been figured out. I mean, there's not We are what we are. We're tough defensively. We're going to struggle with outside shooting. We're just going to try to out-tough you. I don't know how sustainable that is. But in terms of year one, I think Jay Lucas has proven that if there is a big-time a key job available, he should be atop any search, which worries me because I think that dude is a dog about talent acquisition. He's basically Mario on the trail, and he's a really smart defensive coach. I really hope that we can keep him.

I think what he's proven is that Jay, spelled with an I at the end instead of a Y, is much cooler. This J Lucas with a Y doesn't really do anything for me. You look at this guy's name, J-A-I, I'm like, This guy is going to the tournament.

Chris Cody is a two-time battle core champion. We are confused by the spelling. J-lay. Because that's usually high Lucas. Hi, Lucas.

I think we should start calling him Hi, Lucas, I think, in honor of GM of the Year. Mike Ryan's the GM of the Year. Co, co, co.

You are looking at the GM of the Year, but that's because you're looking at both of us at the exact same time.

Don't overlook me here.

The cyclones. I was looking at you because he's been saying you're looking at the GM of the Year, and he was never pointing at you. I meant that. I meant it.

Collectively.

When you have said you're looking at the GM of the Year out of your mouth- Chris Cody was spraying champagne over there.

I would have said that the same way. I'm heavily inspired by early- You're doing the thing.

You're not going to do it. 1990s WCW. You're not going to do it.

You're not going to divide us. There is no schism in this locker.

That's fine. I won't talk to them about this. When Mike Ryan was saying, as he has been saying for several weeks now, You're looking at the GM of the Year of the Year. Was Chris Cody ever in the room? Was he ever pointing to him? Was he ever asking us to look at Chris Cody when he was saying and has been saying the phrase, You're looking at the GM of the Year?

I'm just remembering a post-tournament video interview, and it was just Mike Ryan on the microphone holding a trophy.

I was too busy.

There was plenty of Chris Cody clips. What are you guys trying to do? We have a championship culture. It's not going to work.

I'm just interested in accuracy, and I'm asking Zaz, who's the biggest journalist among us these days?

Don't ever question my integrity.

Look, in fact, this is a good time.

We're like Reilly and Ellesberg.

This is a good time to do an Is this Journalism segment with our foremost journalist. Which one are you, Chris? Jonathan Zaz. Zazlo. Jonathan Zazlo is a judge. He is somebody who's an expert in the race wars.

Race war expert.

He is a journalist. He's a radio host, obviously. South Florida legend.

Don't ever say that again.

He's also a cuck. You're a sucker. You know that. He's a cuckold.

Everybody knows I'm never going to be a cuckold. Big head. If there's one thing they know about Zaz is that that's not for him. Can we get to this? Is this journalism segment? Does it have any imaging? Is it just a question we're asking? And then Zazlo rules. What is the nature of this segment? Is this journalism?

All right, Dan, let me present to you here the latest edition of Is This Journalism. You may have saw awful announcing. They link to the story, awfulannounced. Com. I like them. Read them all the time. The headline here, Shams Charania, ESPN, NBA, Insider, Sham Strania, to play an NBA All-Star celebrity game. In a couple of weeks is the All-Star Week, and they have all kinds of activities. One of them is the celebrity All-Star game. You all have musicians, media personalities. Celebrities. Tiktokers. Celebrities. Yeah, like low-end celebrity.

I don't know about low-end. There's some good celebrities. Kind of low-end. Jay Cole played one time.

Where were you when Wyn Butler set the world on fire?

I I don't even know who that is. But Shams Sharia, Brad Williams has played in there. Has he really?

You got to post him up. The thing that is happening with this celebrity game, though, when you guys say that There's no way that...

I love Brad Williams. I love him.

Don't make me break character. There's no way he played. Do not make me break character. Hell in the paint. You guys got to keep a straight face there. You cannot. You cannot.

He can set a scream, man.

The The accusation being made by all of you that the celebrities are low-end, it's hard to...

He did the jump off. We're playing this. Wait a second.

No. Bad shot, dude.

No.

Let's make sure that tip is sent to video. That was great. That was really great. Was that AI?

It is correct. That was not Allen opposite, no. It is correct. Look, this is what I would say, both of what Zaz is saying is it regards to the cold, okay? It is correct to say that it is colder than it's acceptable to us, but it's also wrong to say that at present, right? So you're right, but it's wrong. You're right to say that there are some low celebrity quality of curating in that game, some, but you're wrong because it's hard to find enough celebrities to fill out two total basketball teams to make that game as high-end as you'd like it to be. But if you guys would look this up for me, I'd appreciate it, Jeremy. Just the last five celebrity games, give me what is the highest rated celebrity based on Fame and the lowest rated so that I can get an accurate appraisal here. But please make a ruling first on whether or not this is journalism.

Shams Charania is going to play in the NBA All-Star celebrity game. Is this journalism?

German. German.

No, it is not journalism. Shams, playing in the All-Star celebrity game, not journalism.

By the way, what are his credentials to play in that game? Just because he covers the sport, just because he's-Celebrity? Sure. He's probably the biggest celebrity if you want to talk about followings and people that know him. But Where's his hoop credentials? Where are they? What are you getting at? He covers the sport. What are you getting at? Let me see his jumper. What are you getting at?

I want to see his triple threat. I'll tell you what he's getting at. Let's go and put a camera directly on Tony. Exactly right. Thank you. Go ahead, Tony. Zoom in on me. Go ahead and tell Shams what you actually want to tell him here.

Shams, big fan of yours. I like what you do. I like what you've become. Don't do this. Me and you on a court right now? No, stop. I beat that ass one-on-one. No. Easily. I don't know how tall you are. It doesn't matter how tall you are. If you get one of these in the post, you're flying back, buddy.

You're going to feel like Brad Williams in the pose.

Me and you. Where is it at this year? San Francisco?

No. No, that's where the Super Bowl is.

Super Bowl is, okay. Wherever it is, it doesn't matter. La. La? Okay. La. Inglewood. Inglewood. That's right. It was up to no good. Thank you. At the wall, meet me. At the Intuit Dome, I think it's Intuit Dome. Me and you, one on one. You'll get into it. I'll wait for you here.

Wait a minute. So go to the Intuit Dome. You'll wait for him here.

I'll wait for him here. He's going to be there. I'm going to wait for him here until we get the thing from him.

As far away from him as you can be, practically, while remaining in the geographical United States.

Exactly. But then I'll go over there.

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Don Lebatard. Greg Cody of the Miami Hérald is writing an article, and I'm reading in it, Moss, Miami, sold out. Miami artist, Miami culture. I'm reading, Moss, Miami is sold out. I'm reading about Digital Podcast Network, and I'm reading about us, and I'm like, This is our dream's coming true. Stugatz. A thousand people come out, and we see the shipping container, and they're on a stage, and they're like, Rock stars. You and me both had tears in our eyes. We're like mom and dad of sentiment, and it's hard to get you to That was a very emotional moment for us to see those guys. I'm telling you guys, you were on stage.

Dan and I were both crying.

Are you guys aware of this?

Crying. Like, Crocodile tears. Crocodile tears are faked. Crocodile tears are faked. I thought they meant big. This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugats. Mike, do you think he should have another crack at calling out Shams better than Matt?

No, I didn't enjoy that one bit. We talked about the University in Miami, and we closed that loop and started talking about journalism. We didn't talk about the headline when it comes to the University Miami basketball team. I'm talking, of course, about Salih Althuntaj, the Turkish delight.

Every time I've seen him, I notice his bald spot. I'm like, How old is that person? How old is that person playing for the University of Miami?

Saly Al Tuntaj is definitely 38 years old. There's no question about it in my mind, but he is regularly getting playing time, 6'10. I like it. Jay Lucas has these Europeans playing some defense. Sorry. Hi, Lucas. But every time Salih Althuntaj steps on to that hardwood, I also get hardwood.

I'll be him when I want to.

No, you will not. He is fun to watch. He is fun to look at. Mike, is anyone questioning? Because when you say 10 seed for the University of Miami, 17 and 4 ACC team, I think Renault and Henderson and Donaldson, that's enough. To me, that feels like enough to be something that's in the tournament.

Henderson's a good player, huh? Yeah, he's a really good player.

You win 10 games in the ACC, you're in the tournament.

I don't know. The ACC is not looked at the way it once was. I'm not quite there yet. I'm not quite there yet. They look so bad against FSE. It's such a bad, bad loss. I know it's college basketball, and that happens.

But they're 17 and 4. Their other three losses, those are credible losses.

That's not- Just beat Cal. Beat Cal on Saturday, I'll be- They beat Stanford.

Stanford is not making the tournament. They beat Stanford at home. I understand why- They got a good little point guard, though. That FSU game, it's inexplicable that they lost that game at home. It honestly is beyond college kids are going to be inconsistent because they're college kids. I'm not even talking about athletes. I'm just talking about college kids. But that seems like it's obviously a tournament team to me. I don't know why it is you would be hesitant about that. What are they saying, Jeremy, the people do these rankings and seedings in season because we're going to have to start getting ready for this stuff. I do plan on and want to have a combined Selection Sunday Oscar show that we combine with Adnan Virk and David Samson and just make a mess of that Sunday night. What are they saying? What are the experts saying?

Well, Joe Linardi is the expert, and he has the University of Miami as a 10 seed right now as one of the last four teams to miss the play-in games.

So you know how there's those play-in games amongst- Wait, they do last four in and also last four to miss the play-in?

He's breaking it down.

He's giving you as many specifics as possible. Just give me the team. Also, Kyson not played in the celebrity game, Dan, so you might want to eat your words.

What are my words? I've said they have legitimate celebrities at the high end.

Chris Brickley. I think Zaz is the one, the ball trainer.

Chris Brickley is famous.

That's the least famous of the group.

Kyson, that's a low-end celebrity.

I don't know what you're talking. What He did like a billion streets.

What about Drusky?

He also played.

He's also low-end.

You're low-end.

You are low-end. You shouldn't be saying that about Drusky. You know what? Zaz, you know what? I hate to hit you with this.

No, you don't hate that.

Minor penalty, two minutes. Accidental racism. I do hate to hit him with that one because that's what just happened. Two Americas.

I don't know about that. You're deflecting.

Two Americas. What do you mean? I took my penalties. I served my time.

You like Drusky, Dan?

Yeah, I do like Drusky.

You would call him Tyson at.

Major penalty, five minutes to fruiting comedy.

Five on three. That's great. Those are the toughest to stop.

What Zaz just did there to Ky Sonette, I can't believe he just did that, where he's that far out of touch. I understand generationally, I understand even culturally. You can't look at what's happening among young people influencers and ignore the following. How In what world are you calling Drusky and Ky Sonette? In what world are you calling them small celebrities?

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I'm in my 50s trying to keep up with the young people. I hope people do not hear my inner monologs.

Get really worked about Drewski.

I just got enraged on behalf of Drewski's following.

How do you? You played it well, Dan. No one knew.

No one noticed that I'm 57. You're cool. No. Push through. No, I am. No one's seizing on this. You're cool. Keep it together. I stream shit. Wait, I like this character. You two speaking as my inner monolog, whispering as my inner monolog.

Say something about I show speed.

The long snapper for the Miami Dolphins. His name is Blake Ferguson.

Former long snapper.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Here we go, sweet spot.

Back on track.

Everybody's none the wiser. You think long snapper is my sweet spot? Former Dolphin.

Yeah, Dolphin.

Share that. Share that Lari Asso story.

So Blake Ferguson was the long snapper for the Miami Dolphins, and he is on a podcast. The Dive Bar pod.

Jed Weaver was my neighbor once. Say that.

And here it is what Blake Ferguson had to say, again, as the former long snapper for the Miami Dolphins. Do you think it's fair to say that McDaniel was too much of a player's coach and too lenient at first? Then when shit hit the fan, it was like, Oh, let me try to roll it back in.

It's too late.

Yeah, it's too late. The leash had gotten too long. His intentions were right, but the execution got the best of him and the team. When you allow players to have a voice in the locker room and control a lot of how every single day runs, you leave yourself vulnerable to that getting out of control quickly. I think the best coaches are able to manage player relationships and manage keeping their players happy while still having a healthy level of respect for the fact that at the end of the day, it's his call. I think that sometimes that line got blurred.

I do not mean this as insult. I actually mean it as compliment. It's going to sound like an insult, and it's weird. No, because this one, you guys will understand what I'm saying as soon as I get through it. Blake Ferguson, and I do not mean to rip him on this, is somebody the entirety of his career, because he did his job so well, I never noticed or thought about as a Miami Dolphin. It's only because he did his job successfully that I can say that. And so this is a person giving voice to something who's in the locker room. And you can dismiss him as a long snapper if you want to, but he was exceedingly competent in his job because none of us ever noticed in his entire time long snapping that he messed anything up.

The Ferguson's are the first family of long snapping, by the way.

Does a long snapper ever actually get coached?

By the special teams guy. Does he?

He doesn't have to block anybody. Hey, a little lower.

Hey, no. A little higher. Hey, good job.

He does have to block. He does have to do other things.

Well, actually, are you not allowed to- No, you're not allowed to touch him. He doesn't have to block.

No, but he's either got to go down the field or be in a. Yeah, he's got to play football after snapping the ball.

Oh, right. Okay. How many career tackles has he got?

I thought it was pretty good there.

Wait a minute. That voice changed. What's happening there?

I got to find your inner monolog voice.

You got to stay in character. It's got to be a little insecure.

It almost turned into Man 101.

It's too masculine.

We're doing okay.

It's got to It's going to feel a little feeble is what it has to feel like. Keep working on it. We'll get it before the end.

Blake Ferguson had one assisted tackle last year.

So a lot of... He needed more coaching.

One assisted tackle.

That job is a really excellent one to do for a living if you don't mess up.

If I had a son, I'd be like, I'm going to make you a long snapper. We can do this.

Do you realize where it comes to human error, honest to God, it's something that's perpetually unnoticed in the NFL and next to nobody talks about it, but it's the weirdest. Do you know how exceedingly odd it is that none of these game-ending field goals ever have a bad snap that doesn't get handled by the holder?

It's going to happen in the Super Bowl now.

But it's just an insanity that it's never a bad snap.

Do they use different balls?

No, it's the same.

Yeah, they use kicking balls.

But it's not the ball that the reason... You would think, right? There have been times What was the name of... The last time it happened was the New York Giants, and I remember the name only because it's so... I'm close to remembering the name. It's Junket or something like that. It was so many years ago. A Giants long snapper ended up costing a playoff game. I think it was- Against the Niners. Because nobody knew his name before that. And then we're all stunned because none of us on an extra point or field goal are ever expecting a bad snap. But your entire worldview is upside down as the long snapper. It's not an easy job. It must be easy to perfect because they've all perfected it. It never gets messed up, or the holder is often so good that he corrects the bad snap. But just off the top of your head, give me all the famous miss snaps you remember.

Romo.

That was Romo putting the hold down for it.

Is it a great snap? Dan nailed it. Trey Junkin.

No, it's a good point you're making because you see at least once a game, probably, the center does a bad snap to the quarterback, rather than one time a game.

Where they have to reach up for it.

It's hard to be consistent about.

It never happens with the long snapper.

Well, that snapper is doing, what, 45 a game?

No, but that's not why that's happening. The reason that some of the shotgun snaps happen is because the center is also worried about, holy shit, this pressure is coming. He's got to pull. Not just pull. He's got to make sure-Centers don't pull.

centers sometimes pull. Yeah, centers are like the most important guy.

Aaron Brewer, Dolphinsenter, that guy pulls.

He pulls. Centers are also identifying protection.

You got to point the mic. That's the mic. I don't know what that means.

I never know what that means. That means it's the guy that's most likely to blitz. Will Sam-What does that mean, though?

I know they say the middle linebacker.

It tells you what the entire defense is.

Sam's strong side.

Wait, if it's always a middle linebacker, why does the center have to point it out?

Because everyone's Because he's not always in the middle. Because he's not always in the middle. He's not always right away.

I feel like you guys are being dismissive and you don't know exactly.

You guys have an idea. So if the middle linebacker moves off to the side, he's going to point... He's over there, Mike there? Yeah.

It's for the protection.

That's why he's pointy.

All right, I'm sorry to do this. No, him and Chris.

Chris has been bad today. Chris has been bad.

Minor penalty, two minutes for a shit contribution.

Whatever.

That's right.

Wait, I was offering-Me and my 50s. Wait a minute. I was giving that penalty to Zaz, and now Chris is always also leaving. No, Chris is getting it, too. Wait a minute. Why is Chris being penalized.

Because he was doing the same things as once. He didn't understand that you point the mic out. It's the middle live actor.

But sometimes it's to the far right. Sometimes he's like, Watch the mic.

Yeah, because they're in a different alignment.

All right, so hold on. I'm sorry.

Minor penalty, two minutes.

Peste tremenda come emieda.

I'm going to look it up. Peste tremenda come emieda. For those of you who do not know, smelly tremendous shit-eater is what it is that Chris Cody just got penalized with. Thank you, Roy, for sitting in the seat. Don Levatard. John Zaslow, how you love that catchphrase. Bad news for opposing teams in the Triple-A. Stugatz. These are smiles till the bloods are clutch again, clutch again, clutch again. This is the Dan Levatard Show with the Stugats. What about the meat of what it is that Blake Ferguson said? What are your thoughts? This is the reputation, and I don't know, guys. I really don't. Do you think that Sean McVay is a players' coach? Do you think Pete Carroll is a players' coach? How are you guys doing this? A lot goes into the leadership of people. Many of these people are learning on the job how to lead. Mike McDaniel has never been a head coach. You get the reps that Andy Reid gets, and you go from being what Andy Reid was, bad clock management, to being Andy Reid is. We're talking about Tom braided here over the last couple of weeks. Tom braided has gotten better.

Why? Because with reps, you get better. You have to have the opportunity to get better at these things. But I would want to work for somebody who's a players' coach, It insults, to me, adult human beings who are responsible professionals to say they can't be trusted to keep each other in line and accountable because they're professional, good at football, and they don't need somebody who's a scolding teacher to rain down fire on the back of their heads and yell at them like Tom Coughlin did when the kicker misses a field goal. And that's not actually teaching or leading. It's just Tom Coughlin being mad and venting.

Dan, it's also Tom a Kauflin two-time Super Bowl champion. Correct. I do think that there is something to be said for culture, and sometimes disciplinarians do break through, and sometimes locker rooms are too loose.

So do you think Siriani is a disciplinarian? Do you Do you guys think that Andy Reid is a disciplinarian?

I mean, look, if nick Siriani was a true disciplinarian, would A. J. Brown be doing this weekly?

Would it be reading a book on the sidelines?

I just don't know. Look, Blake Ferguson has more information than we do, and it is really easy to say from the outside, players' coach didn't have any control of his men. But to me, it is deeply insulting, given what all of these men have done to get to where it is that they've gotten. I don't mean this as a slight against the long snapper either, but it's easier to be a long snapper than it is to do some of the other things required to be great at football. It insults them, to me, to say they need a babysitter, that they can't learn how it is to control themselves. The reason for a manager to me, a manager of people in sports, the reason is because all the guys want to play and everybody wants to be out there, and somebody has to make those decisions that are hard decisions to make that, look, you merit this or you don't, and this is how I'm assessing you. That's the job. Now, there are other parts of the job, and people management is one of them. One of the things you have to do is when the guy who's not playing or not getting the ball enough, you got to get A.

J. Brown right. But who are the coaches in the NFL? I know Belichick's the model, but we've seen there, Tom braided had that one figured out by the end and didn't actually need a whole lot from Belichick in terms of breathing on his neck.

Right, but we can't just discount the winning-est champion head coach of all time in the Patriot way. You could hold up Pete Carroll, who's won a championship in college and in the pros, who's highly regarded as a player's coach, and you could hold up Bill Belichick on the opposite side of the spectrum. Ultimately, leadership is getting the most out of your guys in your locker room. If you have the right locker room, maybe you don't have to press on the gas as much.

But I don't think there's a single way to do it. Mike, I'm not discounting scounding Bill Belichick's way of doing it, but the hiring trend right now in sports respects very often that these guys are adults and need an ally. You've heard me say before that in some instances, the CEO or the coach or the leader also has to act as administrative assistant, especially in the modern age, where you've got a generational gulf. But I get it in college, they are often kids, so you might need a guy who's a little bit firmer with stuff because they're still kids and they're still trying to get away with things, and college kids are rule breakers. But the adults are professionals who have climbed over a whole bunch of other professionals who are fighting for money to get where they are, and they care deeply about being good at their jobs. What they need is someone to help them as much as teach them, but the audience loves the teacher, loves the guy who's going to point at them and fire at the back of their neck. And I just don't think that that's not what McVeigh is doing.

It's what Signetti is doing, but it's not what McDonald is doing.

Dan, to your point, though, you said respect, and I think respect is a two-way street between players and coaches. You can't have the substitute teacher that lets you do whatever you want. And then when it's time to buck up and he's like, Hey, you got to respect me. And I'm like, Ah, buddy, we know what your deal is. You have all these new coaches that can do both things. They can be the teacher. They can be the guy that puts you under his wing and says, Hey, look, this This is how we do it the right way, and also be a player's coach. You talk about Ben Johnson, Campbell over in Detroit. There's guys of that mold that can be in both worlds, yet command respect from men in that locker room being like, No, I'm the big dog here, and you're going to see.

But generally, and this one happens all the time, right? Dan Campbell is a great example, Tony, because this one happens all the time. That guy better have played football. If you're going to be Dan Campbell and walk You mean at a high level? Yes, played football. Not at Yale, the way that Mike McDonald did. You look at him and you know he played- Belichick didn't play it at a high level. You know that he played foot... No, that's that guy. But Belichick wasn't, I'm also a player's coach. No. Belichick was just, I'm in charge. You mean like the Vrabel? I'm talking about what he's talking about, where Dan Campbell can live between both worlds. I'll breathe fire in your face, and also I did it. I also was tougher than everybody else when I was playing, and everyone knows that about me. Mike McDonald doesn't have that, but none of the Whizz-Kid nerds do. None of them do. We were making fun of the dolphins. They're all small. The dolphin leadership is now all physically smaller than Steven Ross. Everybody who leads the dolphins is now 5'9.

I think if you're going to be a players' coach, you need to earn people's respect. You can build relationships, but you also have to show that you have your stuff together.

Well, that's what it is. Anytime I've ever asked former players or even current players about that stuff, it's always all they care about is, Can you help me be prepared on Sunday? Exactly. Do you know what you're talking about?

That's all I care about. Dick Vermeer was out there crying, was widely considered like such a players' coach, but he's also a Super Bowl champion and made it to another Super Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. He commanded respect, and they never had to wonder, Is this guy just a joke? He's got his stuff buttoned up.

Yeah, I don't know where we put Josh McDaniels on this tree in terms of coaching. Obviously, he was someone that was under Belichick and saw everything there. But as an offensive coordinator, the way that he handled Drake May, there's a clip from NFL Films that was circulating around, and Drake May in the middle of the fourth quarter, vulnerably, goes, It's hard. Good God. He's just really frustrated offensively saying that to Josh McDaniels. And he says, Look at me. It's going to be hard. But look, this will be the most rewarding six and a half minutes of our lives if we can get it done. And he just looks him in the eye, man to man, on a knee. That's just having a moment with a vulnerable player. And Drake May, then later in that game, has the confidence to call his own number and make the play that gets them to the Super Bowl.

The vulnerability is interesting. I don't know if you guys saw what Tom braided was saying about his improvement. He said that Kevin Burkhardt, working with him, feels like the greatest and most helpful teammate that he's ever had. And it got me to think, Oh, of course. Tom felt frail. When's the last time Tom felt frail and needed just somebody to hold his hand because he was lacking confidence in a public setting where everybody was ripping him for not being any good. And he's got somebody next to him just tapping him on the knee and helping him and being kind. But the thing you guys have heard me say a lot, because everybody loves the Bill Parcells type, and you've heard me say that everyone listening to this wants the player to have a boss they themselves would not want to have, the guy who's just lording over you. We don't run this place this way, and it's probably an indictment of how this place is run, that I'm not sitting there breathing fire on everybody's neck, chasing them around on, Hey, make sure you get your deadlines in. There are barely any rules around here, but it's also why people enjoy working here.

But it probably doesn't lead to maximum efficiency on however it is you arrive at success.

I don't know. In recent years, just being close to the University of Miami, I saw how Manny Diaz did things, and I saw a very stark departure.

Kids are different, though, Mike. I understand. You said this, so help me because you are- But Pete Carroll was a successful college coach. You are embedded in the University of Miami stuff. And so you said something earlier in the show, and you say it a lot, that Jay Lucas is obsessed with talent acquisition. And while I know there are some coaches who are lazy and some coaches who are not obsessed with talent acquisition, the grand majority of them are achievers who are obsessive, compulsive about knowing that the way I'm going to do my job correctly is to get the best players. So while you've gotten close to Jay Lucas and Mario Cristobal and seen, my God, the work ethic on these people is insane, I will tell you that the best coaches, all of them across sports, are that, all of them.

Right. Look, this is a very isolated sample size. Manny Diaz's approach, Mario Cristobal's approach. When it came to talent acquisition, Manny got some guys. But when Manny was told no, he'd be like, All right, best of luck to you. And Mario doesn't take no for an answer. And that's why he's much better at his job.

But Manny Diaz is the one who won the ACC.

And he just got cucked. Manny Diaz. And he just got cucked because he just lost his leading receiver and like Zaz passed.

Zaz, you know what that cuck?

He lost five games. Why are we comparing... Don't ever ask me about my cuckhold. Why are we comparing Manny Diaz to Mario Crizwald? Manny Diaz lost five games this year.

What did you shout? You copped to your a cuckold. You said, Don't talk about my cuckold.

No, I said, Don't ever call me a cuckold.

Is that what you said?

Why would I ever say, Don't talk about my cuckold?

Please cut that up. I want proof in the next segment. Cut it up and we will get proof because I may have heard him wrong, but I really did think that he... I think he copped to the thing that we know about him.

I would never copped to that. Everyone knows that.

Well, it sounded like you've copped to that, and it also sounded in recent weeks like you're having trouble with speech, and you've had a bit of an impairment in a way that's been revealed to all.

I don't like the words you're using. Use different ones.

All right. Can you guys put up on the screen, Brad Williams, please, taking the tip at the NBA All-Star Game? Tip off. Hey, yo.

I shouldn't have put it that way.. Okay, Nikola. Quizfrage.

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