Transcript of Hour 1: The Gino Torretta Monologue (feat. Gino Torretta & Jessica Smetana)

This is the Dan Levatard Show with the Stugats podcast. This episode of the Dan Levatard Show It was presented by DraftKings. Draftkings, the Crown is yours. The show is moving a little too fast. The week is moving a little too fast. Building up the entire week until next Monday. It is a company holiday. It is a holiday around the country, but we're working two shows that day because we're going to be doing a live stream of the National Championship game. My friends feel bad for me, the friends who are going to the game, the friends who understand that I can't go to the game. Mike Ryan is, I'm assuming, going to the game. The tickets are really hard to get. They're crazy, crazy expensive. I have never been solicited this way by people that I haven't heard from in 20 years because of what this game is. We haven't gotten to the Yannis stuff yet. Yannis was booing his own fans. That seems like something that Miami Heat fans would be interested in. I will be before the end of the show, nude recreating the Don Bailey senior carpet pose. At some point, I'm telling you guys, thank you, Zazlo.

Maybe for the Columbus hit. Thank you for the support. We are getting into Columbus. Are we getting into Columbus? You're confident? Like he said earlier, Tony is telling us for hour two, he's going to be somewhere. I don't know where that will end up, but we're hoping to go to Tony in hour two. It was locked in, but then the last segment happened. The Bucks lost to the Kings at home this year. Two losses to the Wizards, a 39-point loss to the Nets. They lost to the Nuggets who were missing four starters. They've got a 33-point loss at home to the Wolves without Edwards and Gober. It's disintegrated there. He's available. He's booing his own fans. Yannis is available. It seems obvious. It's an interesting strategy from Yannis. I mean, just make it messy. But he won't. But he just did. He just did. He just did. He keeps saying out loud, no matter what, I won't ask for a trade. I won't ask for a trade. I won't ask for a trade. That's messy. He claims that it's just because of the way that throughout the year on the road, this is what he does.

When he's getting booed on the road, he'll flex and he'll boo the opposing crowd. But he knows the difference between home and away, right? Yes, and it's a bit of a reflex. Big difference. The biggest difference is that this was clearly a premeditated feeling because the booing happened as they went in for the half, and they were down 30 plus. And this happened on the first bucket of the second half. This is not like, Oh, it was much later in the game, or it was in the flow of the game. This is the first opportunity that he had to do something like this after being booed. Does he think it's inappropriate for the fan to boo the home team that's down by 30 to the Kings? Well, they reacted to it after the game. Like an inappropriate thing for the fans to be upset about? Look, they had a really poor showing, and they continue to struggle amidst a moment like this one. Wouldn't the Bucks trailing the Kings at Home by 30 be one of the top reasons to boo if you're a fan? Well, it was the Timberwolves, but it would be against It's the Kings, too.

Okay, Timberwolves. Sorry. But it's the Timberwolves without Edwards and Gobert. A good correction, Jeremy. That's what I meant. Just useless correction. Someone say that team without Gobert and Edwards is the Kings. Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. The things that I need to get to We need to keep this moving. Emmy winner, Jeremy. He put the Emmy and Jeremy is gaining confidence around here. He called Zaz a dumbass earlier. That seemed out of character. That was wild. A lot of names have been thrown around. Cody, again, Wednesday. Please find me a hurricane that will read what Mike Ryan... Just find me one. Get one in studio. I want one in studio before the end of the show, a hurricane of some repute, to read this quote to threaten Indiana from Mike Ryan. But in front of Greg Cody, he has fished something out of his garage. I believe they are the Dead Sea scrolls. I'm looking at them right now, and I don't know what this is. Can we take some guesses on what this is? We've asked Greg Cody to go through his garage, to find in his garage just an assortment of things that haven't moved in 50 years.

He's got something. Zazel, why don't you describe it to the audio audience? Yeah, it looks like part of the set of the movie National Treasure. It looks like the thing Nicolas Cage is carrying around. A manifesto, scrolls of some sort. Does anyone in the shipping container have any guesses as to what it is that Greg Cody has here that he is soon going to reveal for us? Is that my first project when I was four years old? Is this a sports thing, Greg? Can you give us some hints? Is this a sports thing from your garage? It is a sports thing. It's related to the Cody family legend, P. F. E. I. Is it the original column you wrote to Trey D'Amerino? That is framed on the wall next to Pat Reilly over there. Roy, if you want to get that and hold that up for the people we have, okay, Jeremy will do it. This came about 20 years before that. All right, so do you want to unspool it? We're not getting a lot of guesses here, but it looks like it's poster-sized. It's got a lot of stains on it. What are those stains?

They look like coffee stains. What are those stains? Those are the stains of time. It's been in a plastic tub for decades. I had forgotten all about it. Then you asked me to bring in some artifacts. I brought in three. I brought in a 1967 Dolphins Media Guide. I brought in the first photo of me when I think I was still a teenager on the job interviewing someone. And you brought the Bill of Rights. And then I bought... I refer to it as the Magna Carta, but we're on the same wavelength there. The Bill of Wongs. So go ahead and spread that out. I feel like I'm going to start coughing because of the amount of dust in there. It could be. Because it looks dirty, looks old, and it really does look like something you would fish out of an Egyptian pyramid near a mummy that would be thousands of years who's old. It looks like a big, giant birth certificate. It is a certificate of appreciation. This presentation is made to Commissioner Gregory Paul Cody on this day, December 27, 1971, in appreciation for a job well done while serving as Commissioner of Professional Football Predictions Incorporated.

All members of the League wish to express their... What's that word? Their performed? Profound. Oh, their profound. Thanks. Well, the cursive is bad. They're writing it cursive. Their profound thanks and gratitude for his diligence and performance of the duties of the Office of Commissioners, signed Dix Rough Riders, Dad's Dynamics, and Greg's Lobos. So you signed it for yourself. You made that for yourself? It was cursive back then. Hey, kids, this is what cursive looks like. No, I believe my brother did this. I did not make this for myself. I cannot believe Uncle Dick would do that. It seems like something you would for yourself and then have the family sign it. No, I didn't. Do you think I'm going to honor myself with an appreciation of- You do it once a year. There's a time during the PFBI gala where you go, Now, let's hear it for the Commissioner, Greg Cody. Well, I also floated the idea of a PFBI Hall of Fame, and that never got off the ground. But anyway, I hadn't seen this in decades, and I was thrilled that- The color on the writing has held up. It has, yeah. But the paper itself, I think when I went through that rat phase, rats will eat anything.

They'll eat cardboard, they'll eat cotton, they'll eat anything you put in front of them. I think there may have been some rat involvement on that. I'm not sure. I just saw Playing Domino's in the other room, a credentialed and famous Miami hurricane, and they work quickly over there to get us people when we need them to read Mike Ryan quotes from threads that he didn't want read. Heisman Trophy. We're TSLs deep. That is too many-When I say four, it was eight. Too many hints. When you say former Heisman Trophy winner, that makes it people, Greg. I was trying to be cryptic to the audio audience so that it can-Pretty obvious, though, no? Audio audience. The audio audience, Greg. No, I misspoke. It's not a Heisman Trophy. Misspoke. I was just kidding. Minor penalty in two minutes. Sport came out of your mouth. Just get out of here, Greg, for two minutes. You've been on fire today. We'll get to the Heisman Trophy winner, Gino Toretta, in a second. Mike, print out that quote you didn't want anyone to see so that he can read it right next to you, please. Hey, listeners, I don't know about you, but at the start of the new year, I always want to make sure I have my finances in order.

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Who needs me? This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugatz. Jessica is going to join us here in a little bit. But Zazel, I've been remiss in not getting to this. Lebron James, this is interesting when he's going to fight his way out with the Lakers, and he's going to continue to try and change the paradigm in a number of different ways. Rich Paul is doing a podcast and has been doing a podcast here for a little while. And if you thought Max Kellermann was going to come back into this game quietly, he is not. So this is all very purposeful. Max Kellermann, getting back in at the top of the media game is doing... He could have chosen anything. Max Kellermann really could have chosen anything. He chose to do this podcast with Rich Paul, who is interested in changing the way all of this is done. Rich Paul is an agent. Rich Paul, as the agent for LeBron, has an uncommon amount of power, and he's just sitting there on a podcast, pissing off Laker management by doing things like this with Max Kellermann. The Lakers have options. If I was the Lakers, I would probably be targeting the Memphis Grizzlies as a trade partner for Jaron Jackson.

Yeah, that would be a great fit. For whom? Well, that's the thing. The package just goes out is what you have to decide. Because if you're able to trade out expirings and give up the last first-round pick you got, that could be one scenario. Right? Or you could say, Let me withhold that. But this comes with a-Austin Reeves. This comes with a very unemotional attachment because Austin is beloved, which he should be. But he's about to get paid. He's an underdog. Here's the thing. There's a world where you can do what's best for your team and do what's best for Austin because Austin deserves to get paid. That is fairly uncommon, what we just witnessed there. Lebron is flexing through his agent, but LeBron is distancing himself from all of that by saying, Oh, no, no, no, no. Rich Paul is his own man, his own man, his own man. Fascinating to me, all of it, because if the Lakers think they're bigger than LeBron James, and I understand why they would, the last 15 years have emboldened LeBron James to do things the way that he wants. He's got out here a mouthpiece for him who is his own man, but is developing his own media persona and is going out on...

What an interesting choice for Rich Paul to be able to do this with anybody and for Max Kellermann to be able to do this with anybody, and they chose to do it with each other. And for Rich Paul to do it when we're in the peak of NBA trade season. We're a month away from the trade deadline. And so LeBron got asked about it last night, and LeBron is trying to distance himself from it. Like you said, Rich is his own man. I hope people know that, and if they're not sensible to that, that I don't know what to tell them. I think it lacks a little bit of self-awareness there where LeBron seems... He doesn't understand why anyone would try and connect the dots there that the most powerful agent in the game, who's the most powerful agent in the game because he represents LeBron James, is trading players to and from LeBron's current team. People are thinking, Wow, I wonder if that's passive-aggressive LeBron, who's putting the words in Rich Paul's mouth there. So there's a little bit of a lack of self-awareness there. But I also don't understand, that's a move from Rich Paul, where he's getting up there and trading someone else's clients.

And by the way- Well, Max Kellermann is the one who inserted the name by name Austin Reeves there. That's not what Rich said, but then he followed him down the path. And Austin Reeves This agent confronted Rich Paul last night at the game. They apparently had a conversation courtside for a few minutes. You don't want another agent, the biggest agent, trading your client? It's It's inappropriate. I want to get back to this, but we have royalty in the house, and at the risk of making things awkward, as I always do, Mike, would you like to hold Gino Toretta right now? Because I really do feel like... I feel like- That didn't take long. He got mad at me because I said, War and Moon when I saw his jersey. He said nice Worn Moon jersey. No, that's Kim Worn. I'm like, I just showed my age. It's War and Moon, and that's a oilers jersey, right? It does look like old oilers. I've seen I've seen Gino once in the last, I don't know how many years. It's been a long time, but it was in an airport, and it was basically just the both of us going, Cam Warren, huh?

L-a-x. Cam Warn is pretty good at the position. He didn't win a Heisman, but you did, Gino. You did. Where is that, Heisman? Right now. It is in the bookcase at home. Of course. Weird. You don't bring your trophies with you to work. That's strange. What a highly conventional place for it. They're a little heavy. This one's a little heavy and large. Do we want to give Gino the telestrator? Well, I want to give him the telestrator, and I want to give him the Mike Ryan speech to make it. Is he willing to do this? I haven't prepped him for any of this, and I haven't seen him for a while, so I don't know how playful he wants to be with this. This is my first invite. The only time I get invites on this show is when Dan wasn't in, and Steve Gotts would invite him. I don't know where that is. Gino. I don't know why, Mike. We got ties. Well, I appreciate you. You're a high Trophy winner and a legend. You don't have to do what Dan is going to ask you to do right now. Okay. All right. I just learned how to play Domino's.

First time is the charm. Let me preface this by saying this was about 12 tequila soda limes deep. This is a tweet from Mike Ryan, the guy wearing-It wasn't a tweet. It was a thread. Because he was hiding from the niche. We need this to be more intimidating than the way Mike Ryan did it, where he's basically threatening Indiana, but it's a mild threat. We don't think that coming from him, it's as strong as it would be coming from a voice, sound, face of college football and the hurricanes. And I don't think it's too dangerous for you to say. So Chris, can you give Gino Toretta some music here of some sort? And I'm just reading this. Yeah, but you've got to go summon your- With passion. I'm going voice. He's a broadcasting legend, too. So Gino knows how to find this. But also the soul of Hurricane Fire. Yeah, Ray Lewis is what we want. Indiana is coming into town. They're playing a big game, Gino, in Miami. Miami doesn't lose the big games. Miami Gardens, Dan. In Miami. Do you know how to summen the soul of Hurricane Fire as Dan put it?

Sure. Would you like to threaten me? All right, we got some music. Yeah. We ready? Yeah. You haven't been tested. Our minds, bodies, and spirits have been in hell since Halloween. You're walking into an asylum. The same folks picking you have been pouring dirt on our grave for two and a half months or 20-some years. We're still standing. We're forged in fire, been fighting for our lives longer than you've mattered. See you in a week. Spot the goddamn ball. That's what I'm talking about. I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's go. That's what I'm talking about. It's a lot more weight when it's a Heisman Trophy winner saying it. Now do it with Mike holding you. Gino How hard is it to get into that stadium and be around that game? You have some power, but I imagine you're getting inundated with people who think you could get them tickets. Yes. Calls from people I haven't seen or heard from in 35 years. That takes some balls to be that person, doesn't it? Did you have any people do the thing where a week early, they just do the-That's a good move. Hey, check it in. How you been?

Just setting up for the week later where they're like, Hey, we caught up last week. Oh, no. I got it after the Fiesta Bowl. I think my first text was, let's see, I woke up in Phoenix. It was probably five something in the morning, and I got a text. It was like, Hey, do you know how we get tickets? I'm like, No. How is Stugat doing? What percentage of people, like if 1-100%, are you going to be able to actually get tickets, and how many are going to be disponible? Zero. I'm in the same boat. Basically, the alumni, we can put in a request for two tickets, and we have to use one of them. I don't know how they're going to decide. We did that yesterday. Thursday, they're going to tell us. I've been asked by Siri to do some pregame, so I'm going to get a credential, but my wife wants to go to the game. I'm not saying no to Gino. How do they decide which players? Gino, you got to be at the very top of the list. I don't know. I mean, Sap is like, Hey, I need a parking pass.

I'm like, Dude, there are a thousand bucks online. I don't know. The bad thing is I'm on the Orange Bowl committee. Normally, I get to buy my same tickets that I have for the Orange Bowl for the Championship game. But this year, my 14 seats are corporate. Mike Ryan, how many parking passes have you gotten? How many tickets have you gotten? Twelve. See, but he's probably like a big booster and a donor and all that stuff. I didn't win a Heisman, but- Well, if I wear a 26th jersey, I think there's some guys on the sidelines. I don't know how they get down there the last few games. As someone who really knows college football, still modern college football as well, can you separate your emotion from your analysis on this game? What do you believe is going to happen? But answer my first question first. Can you separate your emotion from your analysis? Yes. I would say this. Emotionally, personally, I'm rooting for Mendoza because he's a stud. He's a local kid. Met him in New York at the Heisman. And great story. I can remember doing a game, Cal and USC, and they lost 50 to 49 I remember Dan looking at my boards going, Who the hell is this kid from Miami?

Why isn't he at Miami? Because he was accurate as hell with the ball throwing, and he's gotten better from there. I think individually, I guess all of us root for guys individually. Obviously, Miami, they have the talent, skill up front. They have mass on the offensive line. A little different than when we were in school, it was all speed and using the skill guys on the outside. I think there are some guys on Miami's team that remind me of guys I played with. I think Fletcher is a guy, just give me the damn ball. I'm not going to let us lose. I think Malikai is the same way. He's just been dynamic and unbelievable, Bane. I think as far as when you look at the catch up. Indiana may not have the superstar power, I guess, that we have outside of Mendoza, but they play arguably the best team football of anybody in college football. Now, the bad thing is everybody's blowing smoke up there, you know what, and saying they're the best team since the LSU Joe Burrow teams. That's a wrap poison. Yeah, wrap poison. But if they win this game, Gino, they will be regarded as such.

If they win this game, they will have to be considered one of the best teams of time. I think they will be considered to have one of the best seasons. Lsu, you got to go back. Add in the fact of, look at the pics on their team. The pros. I don't think that Indiana is going to have that type of draft day success. I would say if they won, Mendoza will have had the best, by far, playoff, bowl performance of anybody in the history of college football. I think that What he's done, he's gotten better every week. It's amazing the accuracy he has, the precision he has, and nobody's been able to get him off platform, even when Ohio State lit him up in the first play. Even the first series last game, they didn't look great. He makes adjustments, and he's been pretty impressive. Well, I agree. They certainly don't have the talent and the NFL draft talent that that LSU team did. I think people do this thing where they see the eight blue chippers, the five and four stars, and they say, Wow, this team is really maximizing on their talent. They're plenty talented.

No question. When it's all said and done, they probably have four first rounders on that offense when you have Mendoza at the center Serrat. I know that Charlie Becker is not eligible for the draft, but he's looking like a player. I think he's PFF's highest rated wide receiver since week 11. He's really come on. So they got a lot of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Yeah, not Justin Jefferson, the guys that are the best in the NFL. Fair enough. That's all I was saying. Fair enough. I just what's impressive when you watch their defense, they are sound in their assignments. They don't miss gaps. They don't let somebody cut back and just gash them. Everyone's had a 50-pound advantage on their defensive line. Everyone has that advantage. I mean, they lost arguably their best rusher to a freak knee injury after the Big Ten Championship game. They have just not missed a beat. So it's been impressive. They're sound, they don't beat themselves. At some point in time, everybody's like, Get to the quarterback. Yeah, get to the quarterback. A little easier said than done because it seems like Mendoza, if you rush him, he gets rid of it quick, or he's been athletic enough to make some plays.

Gino, I can't stop watching the Carson Beck shutdown. Can you take us what you were feeling, that play, and all the emotion? Well, one, obviously, I thought that it'd be in there. I was like, Man, does LSU or Ole Miss have the magic at the end, and we don't have enough time? And then we march down and get in that range. I just remember watching the play, and obviously, we're trying to throw to Malikai. He gets doubled, and Carson looks right. And I watched the detackle for Ole Miss fall down, and he's just gassed. The guy can't even get up at that point. People were upset at him. Ole Miss, he quit. People were upset. How many plays had he played at that point? I mean, the guy's got no gas at that point. And when he turned back around, he didn't even run. I go, a shutdown. And my buddy in the box goes, What do you mean, a countdown? I go, There's nobody over there. All he's got to do is... Hell, at 55, I could run for a countdown at that point in time. That's a visual manifestation of a team getting worn down, though.

That's what Miami's offensive line will do to you. It'll make you stay on the ground. I mean, they're enormous. You know what I mean? I still work out to Wellness Center on campus. You see that Markel Bell, and It's just like, if you walk next to him, it's like a shadow. The weird part about that is Miami's never had the great offensive linemen. I know McKinney was drafted high. This guy's bigger than McKinney. That's why I like his size. It's just like you look at these guys, you're like, he's enormous. And then they figured out, I don't know, the push, the pile pushes are... I don't know how they're legal in football because I don't think they were when I played. They shouldn't be. But man, they get stopped, and it's just like, Push the whole pile 8, 12 yards. I pop for I love it. Gino, we'll get back to you in a second, but out there, they're summing you to dominoes because somebody, I think it was Robert, the IT guy said he wanted to kick your Heisman ass. We'll come back and get you. Let me put it to you this way.

I ended with the most, whatever you call them, cards. I was saying, This is like uno, but my partner dropped them and we won. I don't know what that means. Fechas. Go ahead and get out there. We'll come back to you because we've got Jessica coming in here. We'll come back to you in a second. We also have to go back out to Tony at Columbus. Also, I'm going to be nude later in the show laying on the carpet. What a show. Yeah, we got a lot going on. Draftkings Sportsbook, the number one sportsbook for live betting, is turning up the stakes this NFL playoffs. Every Sunday, every DraftKings customer has a shot at over $2. 5 million in prizes. Holy moly. Here's how it works. Open the DraftKings Sportsbook app and opt in. Place a live bet of just $1 or more on Sunday's playoff games, and every live bet gives you another chance to win. The more you bet live, the more entries you stack all Sunday long. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app right now and use code Dan. Bet live for your share of $2. 5 million in prizes with code Dan.

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I'm like, I'm sorry, man. I'm improv in here. It was a pretty cool rip. Exactly. I thought I didn't hear you correctly, a white Chubby checker running down the sideline. He spells it differently. All right. His name is Chubby. Maybe you didn't hear me correctly. His name is Chubby checkers. There's an S at the end. I feel like that should be the largest of five. Chubby checkers It sounds like a college football name. This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stukatz. So Jessica is here, and I was fairly shocked to learn this. I feel like this was her man betraying her. But during the Stealers game, during a Stealers loss, we've got this is not made up. It is not altered. This is Jessica has released this to the public. She had fallen asleep, and this was the sound that was coming out of her face. You can hear Al Michael's in the background. This is People are going to think that's altered, Jessica. What happened here? Hi, Dan. It's nice to see you, too. Thanks for setting it up that way. This was actually during the bears game Saturday night, and the setup is I got really cozy and comfy in my jammies, and I thought, there's no way the bears are going to...

My Chicago bears are going to come back in this game. So I got a little cozy and I closed my eyes, and then the next morning, Lehman showed me this on his phone. It's fairly sterling. Was it a betrayal? Did Lehman just betray you? Yes. He said, Are you in a good mood right now? And I said, Why would you ask me that? He's like, Are you capable of seeing something that may upset you? And I said, I mean, Yeah, sure. I thought it was going to be something terrible about a sports team that I follow. And instead, he pulled up his voice recordings and played that for me. I still think it may have been the dog. This sounds like some milligrams here. How many? We're thinking 10, 20? I It sounds like a lumberjack. It does. After just an exhausting day in the forest. Yeah. I mean, it was a long... I got a lot of fresh air on Saturday. What's a gal to do, Dan? I was sleepy. It was late. I belong in the central time zone. No one should be on the East Coast to watch primetime football games. You do understand no one's going to believe that that is actually you.

They're going to think that we altered that. Why not? It fits my whole... I sneeze loud, I snore loud. I was with a baby yesterday, a six-week-old baby who was... She's having a tough time sleeping at night, Dan, and she finally fell asleep in her mother's arms, and then I had to sneeze really bad. I let it rip, and I woke the baby up, and I felt so bad about it. But sometimes there's just nothing you can do. A week ago, you were drinking fake alcohol on here celebrating the stealers. Who was drinking alcohol? Not me. Tomlin has now been fired, or he's stepped down. Excuse me. How do you feel about this today? Thank you. I think I have mixed feelings. I'm not celebrating that he stepped down, but I also think it feels like it was time. 19 years is a really long time. It had been the same story for the last few seasons where the team claws its way into the playoffs, and then I have to watch a brutally embarrassing wild card weekend payoff loss to Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes or Houston Texans defense. I get why he would want to move on.

It doesn't sound like a decision that he made after Monday night. It sounds like something he had been thinking about for most of the season based off of Jeremy Fowler's reporting. I get it. It makes sense And I'm sad I'm going to miss him, but 20 years is a long time. Jess, better chance for the Stealers next year. They're in the playoffs again or they have the number one overall pick? Probably the latter, if I had to guess. I think It's a tough spot for any new coach to come in because the quarterback situation is obviously very unsettled. I think the bright side for me is it sounds like Aaron Rodgers' return is extremely unlikely now, so that's great. So I didn't want to run that one back next year. But yeah, if you look at the available jobs, in your same division, you've got a job in Baltimore with a MVP caliber quarterback, and then you've got the Steelers who have a decent roster, but some flawed, expensive contracts on older players. But at the same time, there's some nice younger players. They've drafted well in the interior of the lines. They have some nice younger players there.

But with the quarterback situation being what it is, yeah, I think that that's going to be tough for whoever takes that job. Jess, what do you think Tomlin's legacy is? Because despite the relentless winning seasons, one Super Bowl win, a bad finish, I think it's fair to say, with the playoff win drought. What do you How do you see his legacy in the bigger picture? In the big picture, I think Hall of Fame head coach that won a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh that had a record of winning, not losing seasons, winning seasons that... I don't think anyone's ever going to break, Greg, honestly. I think if you look at the last few years, yeah, it's been disappointing, but it's still been better than a lot of other teams. And so you give him credit for what he's done with imperfect rosters and without a franchise quarterback. But over the span of 19 years, I think, without a doubt, a Hall of Famer and one of the best to ever do it. Dan, you think he's going to go Hall of Fame? Yes. Yeah. Is that up for dispute? There's a lot of coaches who've won as Super Bowl.

They're not even a Hall of Fame. That's not even a question as 100% he'll be a Hall of Famer. Every coach who wins a Super Bowl is in the Hall of Fame? 100% he's going to be too mean. No one said that. You're changing the argument. That's not every coach. That's a straw man. It's the one who has 19 straight winning seasons. Dan, don't fall for it. That's a straw man argument. No one said every coach that wins a Super Bowl makes the Hall of Fame to ask. Straw man. We're talking about one specific coach. He's a really good coach. He's a really good coach. Never had a losing season. Nine and eight is not that great. All right. I agree with you. I think it's been imperfect the last-The better question to me is, is Antonio Brown a Hall of Famer? Because Antonio Brown's statistics, they're a good deal better than the wide receivers that you guys are talking about that have been snubbed. This isn't Tori Holt. I Antonio Brown was the best receiver in football for five straight seasons. He might be a Hall of Famer, but they will not vote him in.

Okay, but I think it's a better- Is there a character clause? I think it's a better question than, is Mike Tomlin going to be a Hall of Famer? Because I think Mike Tomlin is obvious, and there's nothing bad to put there. There's nothing bad to put next to Mike Tomlin's resume. You could say no playoff victories, but winning seasons every year. She's talking about a record that's not going to be broken. There's a little stigma about one Super Bowl, and I think it applies to Aaron Rodgers as well. And it may be unfair, but if you have a great career and win only one Super Bowl, that's a stigma. Greg, do you think Aaron Rodgers should be in the Hall of Fame? Yeah, without question. No, I don't. So obviously, there's exceptions then, even though there may be a stigma to one Super Bowl. And I think Tomlin will be in the Hall of Fame, but I don't think it's unfair to ask whether or not he will be. I don't know that it's just an absolute no-brainer. She's We got a weekly podcast, Notre Dame podcast, The Echos with Mike Golick Jr. Before this game that's being played, I don't know if you're going to be a part of our livestream on Monday.

I hope so. It might be too late for you. You might be snoring. Do you have both a routing interest and a thought on the way that that game is going to go. I don't really have a rooting. I've gone back and forth on this. I don't really have a routing interest, Dan. My best friend Priya went to Indiana and has been following along on their postseason journey, so I I'm probably going to be with her this weekend, and I'll probably have to cheer for Indiana, but I don't really have a dog in the fight, so I'm rooting for a good game. How about your analysis as someone who loves college football and loves the minutiae of breaking down games? What are your thoughts about Mendoza's precision against Miami's physical strength? Yeah, I think it's going to be a better game than people are giving it credit for. I think that having the Oregon-Indiana game be so recent in people's minds which was a total Dan Lanning disaster class, is making people think that, Oh, man, Miami's got no shot. But I do think it's going to be a good battle in the trenches. I think Mendoza has obviously been really excellent.

I think if Indiana plays their A plus game, they're probably going to win the game. But I think it's more of a game than maybe the spread is giving it credit for. Thank you, Jess. Folks, listen up. Draftkings Sportsbook, the number one sportsbook for live betting, is turning up the stakes this NFL playoff. Each Sunday, every DraftKings DraftKings' customer has a shot at over $2. 5 million in prizes. Open the DraftKings Sportsbook app and opt in. Place a live bet of just $1 or more on Sunday's playoff games. Draftkings. There's two Kings. Every live bet gives you another chance to win. The more you bet Bet Live, the more entries you stack all Sunday long. Download the DraftKings app right now and use code Dan. Bet Live for your share of $2. 5 million in prizes with code Dan in partnership with DraftKings. The Crown is yours. That guy's not winning an Emy. Gambling problem? Call 1-800 Edward Gambler. New York, call 877-8 Hope & Why or text Hope & Why. Connecticut, call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg. Org. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino in Kansas, wager tax pass-through may apply in Illinois. 21 and over in most states, void in Ontario.

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