Transcript of Greg Cote's Catchphrase List Is Starting To Climax | Hour 2 New

This is the Dan Levatar Show with the Stugatz Podcast. I want to mention something real quick here before we get back to the Love Doctor. Uh, I don't know if you guys, if you guys have been seeing on the news, on social media or whatever, but, um, I— one of my dogs, I have two dogs, one of my dogs is a rescue. And as a result, like, you know, a lot of my algorithm, you know, it's a lot of boobs, but also there's like rescue dog stuff that's on my algorithm, which is great, alright, 'cause I love rescue dogs. And so there is— you may have seen on the news, there was a test— a breeding facility in Wisconsin called Ridgeland Farms that tests beagles. They do all kinds of tests on beagles.

Like Forty Time?

No, you know what kind of tests I'm talking about. And they breed these beagles, thousands of beagles, and they just live in cages, these beagles, and they don't go outside, nothing. They're just bred and they're used for testing. Well, there was an animal rescue down here actually called Big Dog Ranch Rescue. It's based down here, and they negotiated—

it's good—

essentially a buyout with this, uh, Ridgeland Farms, where they are essentially shutting them down. They bought them out, and so they have taken all of these beagles, like 1,500 beagles, and they partnered with some other rescues around the country. But like I said, the main one is down here.

Wait a second, you're telling me All I gotta do is start a farm with a bunch of beagles and tell people I'm testing them, and someone will come give me money to make me stop doing— I just keep doing it.

All right, so this, this Big Dog Ranch Rescue has facilitated this, and you could see in the video— I mean, I used to have a beagle, uh, they're such gorgeous dogs, these dogs. You look at them, they are, they are beautiful. And down here in, in South Florida, this rescue has like 500 of these beagles that are, uh, soon going to be ready for fostering and/or adopting. They're such gorgeous dogs. They're beautiful dogs. Yeah, I love beagles. And so I just wanted to put it out there, if you are interested in, uh, in fostering or you've thought about getting a dog, uh, this is such a great cause and I hope you check it out.

I'm thinking about getting a lot of dogs and, and then just testing them. I won't tell people. All right.

What's the matter with you?

You know what's funny? The term rescue dog— I swear to God, I'm not trying to be funny— maybe like 4 or 5 years ago, up until 4 or 5 years ago, I thought it meant that these dogs were like trained to rescue people. It's a rescue dog. I was like, wow, I'm like, it got a little small to be— I don't know, man, maybe just it's like Lassie, it alerts people or whatever. And so finally someone's like, no, no, no, we rescued them. I was like, oh. Wouldn't it be rescued dog as opposed to rescue dog? Rescue dog sounds like it's rescuing. Rescued means it was rescued.

Ah, Michelle Beagle.

Well, it's because they come from an animal rescue, so they're rescue dogs.

But aren't they— I think this is a lovely thing and good for you to promote it and all that, but aren't they— aren't these beagles all injected with various diseases? Like, hey, I got a beagle who has lupus.

I'm sure they're all being checked out and hopefully, you know, they're okay. But I mean, these dogs, and if you see in the videos again, like it's all over social media, all over the news, they've never even been outside. They're touching grass for the first time. They're such beautiful dogs and I highly recommend—

Wait a second, they've never been outside? That dog can't be well adjusted. That dog's gonna go home and it's gonna be like, "Ah, what's this?" You're right.

You're right.

Ameen has taken on an important cause trying to denounce these beagles, these poor abused beagles. I have a question—

I'm glad that Zazz is finally getting support here.

Cody, I have a question for you. Is your wife's twin sister married?

Yes, she is.

And I obviously assume you've spent a fair amount of time around this guy. To a firefighter.

And he's, he's in the ginger— he's not a purebred.

Oh, so this is a fetishization.

He's a ginger mutt.

So, so, wow. So, so they both fancy gingers. Now, the twin sister went fireman.

Yes, and my wife went podcast producer.

People like— I've noticed a lot of women like to say, like, "Oh, those firefighters, boy, they get those calendars.

Hang 'em up." He's alright though, he's not one of the good ones.

You don't— have you done the math on that? I mean, did they— it's a pretty easy evaluation. They look exactly alike, but I like her a little bit more because of her whimsical sense of humor.

I'm kind of done with this game.

What is— what is— what is, uh, who do you like better, the firefighter or Chris Cody? Who do you like better?

Wow.

I'll say me just to save face.

Who would you go for? Who won? Can you objectively— do you have a photo of this guy? Do you have a photo of the firefighter?

I don't want to do this.

I'd like— well, I would like to do it. I'd like to see a side-by-side, and I'd like to vote which way you— which the— which way we would all go. Chris Cody or this unknown firefighter?

So Dave, just to be clear, we want for Chris Cody's lovely wife to find out not only does her husband fantasize about her twin sister, but also that she picked the wrong husband.

Hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. And if that's the guy who talks like a goose, I can tell you she got the good one.

Whoa, wait, hold on. What's wrong with the firefighter?

Hold on.

No, I just, I've gotta be on team me.

If I'm not on team me, who's on team me? Can we get a picture of this guy and we'll make the decision who's better.

Ted Turner, the larger-than-life media mogul who revolutionized cable television and the Monday Night Wars, has passed away. Wow, 87 years old. I could have sworn he died long ago.

Was he still married to Jane Fonda?

No, right?

No. Come on, man.

What do you mean come on? That's like a known thing.

Hanoi Jane.

Invented the Super Station.

He invented Super Station, TBS. Yep. That's the reason why there are millions of Braves fans.

Yep.

Despite never having set foot in the state of Georgia.

Remember when TBS went Super Station? All the shows used to start at 05.

Yep.

Really?

Really?

You didn't know that?

Oh yeah, that's weird.

Yeah, they start a few minutes after the hour.

Beverly Hillbillies, 6:05 Eastern.

05. That's right.

I've never noticed that.

Yeah.

Oh, that TBS make everybody a Braves fan gambit didn't really work out over the long haul, did it? I don't know very many Braves fans.

You know, some because you're wrong down here in South Florida.

I think it absolutely worked for a minute.

It has to be somewhere where there wasn't a team. Yeah, like here. Yeah.

My generation, they kind of had that a little bit. Oh, I grew up simultaneously liking the Marlins and the Braves.

Yep.

And also it lined up with the Braves kind of having a dominant '90s.

Yeah.

But also, like, if you're from Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, you didn't have a team. Like, you didn't have a team. So that was a team that was on in the same way that people from Iowa, the same people, people from Iowa are all Bulls and Cubs fans because of the WGN.

Yeah. When I went to the D.R. years ago when I was a little kid, they had WGN and there were a ton.

I was a Cubs fan growing up because of WGN before we had the Marlins.

That's not what he looks like.

I just saw that. Holy shit.

I think that's what happened. I think the Cubs got in on the Braves business and trumped them. I think people said, oh, Harry Carey's way better than the fellas calling the game for the Braves, and now we're all Cubs fans. They became America's team.

Skip Carey? You can have a second team in baseball.

We have a lot of listeners who are trying to get questions into the very busy Love Doctor. The Love Doctor, of course, is Greg Cody. Greg, are you ready to field another question here from one of our listeners, one of your patients?

Let's go.

Hey, this is Dad. Just wondering if you are obligated to get your ex-wife a Mother's Day gift outside of the gifts you get that are supposedly from the children.

Oh, wow. I think a lot of this depends on whether you're happily divorced or not. But let's keep this simple. The gifts that you buy your ex-wife that are supposedly from your children should be such cheap and monumentally rotten gifts that they make your vindictive, conspicuous non-gift seem great by comparison. Do it.

Wonderful advice. Greg, while we have some time here though, there was a new episode of course, The Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody. Can we update your catchphrase list?

Sure, I just happen to have it with me.

What numbers are we on now? 15 and 16? Does that sound about right?

Uh, we are on 16 and 15. We go sequentially, uh, in, in reverse order, so 16 and 15.

I mean, that was not a necessary correction.

Yeah, well, you know, I'm a perfectionist.

All right, all right, let's, let's just get right to it. We don't have to go from 50, right? Let's just get right to it, right? Do you want to count from 50? What do you think, Chris?

It's this thing.

All right, all right, it's this thing. Are you ready to count from 50? You ready to do the whole thing?

Yeah, I'll do it quickly because there's quite a few here. Number 50, I'm Fullerton Verne Fuller. 49, where's my click click? 48, hey butta ringa! 47, punt! 46, Scranton! 45, I'm visiting a one-armed paper hanger. 44, Georgia! Georgia. 43. I'm the kind of guy that— 42. Ballin' the Jack. 41. Hey hey with the Monkees, baby. 40. Thank you, Billy. 39. I love him like a pet. 38. Who made it a salad? 37. We're rolling now, huh? 36. Your brain beating me. 35. Let's go States. 34. Driver comfort is paramount. 33. Dummy up, save up.

32.

Catch as catch can. 31. Doesn't make it right. 30. So on, so forth. 29. Very good. 28, The Little League Theory. 27, Nice Hat, Asshole. 26, The Others, They All Learn From Me. 25, Don't Go Showering to Try to Please Me. 24, Look at That Jerk. 23, It's Like a Packing House in Here, There Should Be Hams Hanging from Hooks. 22, Would You Learn. 21, Hee Haw 3, Ba-dap. 20, I'm Not Gonna Take a Quiz. 19, Sassafras. 18, What We Do, Break a Window? 17. Hello! And now number 16. Who won? Wow, okay, they just played Freebird. And number 15, Trailers For sale or rent. Yeah. Rooms to let, 50 cents. On Greg Cody, and that's how it was. Back in my day.

We're getting to the portion of the concert where it's just banger after banger.

Lighters are out, pants are off.

Singing it.

What do we got? We have like another 7 weeks then, maybe?

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah, we drag this thing on. We drag it on, baby.

All right.

Hey, Dr. Love, who's more handsome, Chris or the firefighter?

Well, you are really trying to dig a deeper hole here, aren't you? For my poor son. I'm going to take the Fifth Amendment.

I don't like—

you should just say me.

Me.

You should say me.

You.

Yeah.

In abstentia.

My son. Of course.

Don't make it right.

It does make it right. Oh, wait a minute, that was my, my inside voice.

What a jerk.

How do I look in this hat, by the way?

Great.

Normally I only wear this when I'm doing surgery. I just had an old-fashioned to sort of calm my nerves because I'm, I'm going into the op room right after, uh, right after we do this bit.

Greg, you could pass for a doctor.

Thank you.

I look at you and I'm like, you know what, that's the kind of guy You're the kind of guy that could pass for a doctor.

I'm the kind of guy that should have a scalpel in his hand.

Exactly right.

Yeah.

And a couple old fashions.

By the way, we started on the Greg Cody Show this week a segment called I'm the Kind of Guy That, where you just go around and we all say things that we're the kind of guy that—

Oh, I like that.

That's a good bit. Can we steal that bit?

I think Greg's— I think one dad you had was I'm the kind of guy that likes to climb ladders.

Yes, that's correct. Yeah. And I told the story about— and this is a hand on heart, a true story. I'm the kind of guy that will climb a stepladder alone in his garage up 2 steps to try to envision how it would look to be Victor Wembanyama or somebody extra tall. I like to imagine myself as being extraordinarily tall, so the easy way to do it is to climb 2 steps on a ladder. Everybody should try that, you know. Everybody want to relate Relate to the taller people.

Can you also try talking directly into the mic and not the side of it?

Oh, sorry. Okay. It's, it's much, it's, it's natural to do this for me. You know what I mean? Yeah, but that doesn't work for audio. Hey, that kind of thing. Am I right, Rory? Whoa.

You look like a gangster shooting the gun sideways because it looks cooler.

Baby.

All right. Nice chatting with you.

All right, we'll be back with more Dr. Greg Cody at some point.

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Dan Lebatard!

Baker Mayfield tearing up Tampa Bay, 38 for 45!

Stugatz!

This is the Dan Levatar Show with the Stugatz. I mean, have you seen, uh, it's a pretty nasty, uh, beef right now. Sport— well, I don't know, I guess like sports media beef. No, NBA player beef.

NBA player beef, I would say.

Is that the best way to put it?

Just because they have media outlets that they use to project this stuff doesn't make it media.

It's, it's kind of nasty right now between Draymond Green and Austin Rivers. So if I can give a little context here, uh, we, we all saw, it was like a week ago, uh, Draymond Green's got a podcast because everyone has a podcast. If you don't, you're a huge loser. And Draymond Green on the Draymond Green Show was talking about Steve Kerr And what stood out was he said Steve Kerr hindered part of his career, that he could have been a better offensive player if not for Steve Kerr holding him back. And on the Dan Patrick Show, Austin Rivers, who's now strictly like media, he's NBC, you know, Peacock does the games. Austin Rivers, I guess, was, you know, didn't think that was a, you know, respectful thing to say, I guess, about Steve Kerr and all that he has done. For Draymond Green's career. So here was Draymond. If I give you a little backstory here, here was Draymond responding to Austin Rivers.

You know, I saw he said he's bewildered and it's ridiculous of what I said. And I just find it interesting that a guy who was the 10th pick in my draft, I was 35, who's on his second act, still on act one, he goes, Draymond never been a scorer. Austin, you and I averaged the same amount of points in high school. I say high school because that's when you were at your best. And then in college, you he was still good. He was very featured at Duke because NBA careers— should he really talk about my NBA career? I'm still with my first team. He was gone from his first team in 2 years. The guy received the biggest bailout in US history prior to President Trump bailing out the airlines when his dad gave him $42 million.

All right, so an ally with our airline stance. Yeah, it's really growing in momentum.

Love Draymond.

So now Austin Reeves, of course—

Austin Rivers!

Austin Reeves is a white guy with zero muscle definition.

Austin Rivers has to—

Austin is a lousy name for a baby and a grown-up, right?

I agree.

Austin the baby, that's what you're gonna name it? Weird.

Austin Matthews?

Not interested. And also Austin the grown man. Yes, we're workshopping here.

I know a big Austin, like an older Austin, like a 30s Austin, and I'm like, oh, we don't call— we don't call him Austin, we call him Coacher.

Hey, you got to change it.

You don't want—

no, Coach, he's a coach, so we call him Coacher because we don't like Austin. Yeah, Austin's weird.

Go hard ER, huh?

Yeah, we do.

Coacher, coach up.

So Austin Rivers has to respond now. So here's a little bit of Austin Rivers because it Like he went at Draymond. So here's Austin Rivers on the comparison of their early careers.

Belittling my career. First off, Draymond, we weren't the same players in high school. I don't care about our numbers being similar. I did it at the national level, the top level. Hence why I got the Naismith Award and I got pretty much every award you can think of in high school. I was ranked number 1. You were ranked, I don't know.

So cut it out.

Next.

College, you actually were a solid— you're actually a really good college basketball player, but It's hard to compare because I was only there for 6 months. Something you could never do. Talk about I was, you know, one of the featured guys. No, I was the guy. I led my team in scoring. I was first team All-ACC, freshman player of the year, lottery pick.

Stop.

All right. All right.

I think everyone agrees. And I can't believe we're talking about this with at a certain point in time, world-class athletes. There is nothing lamer than high school glory days guy. I mean, we're 20 years removed. What are we doing?

Well, Draymond's the one who brought it up.

Yeah, but come on, like, your comeback is like, "In high school I was better than you, pal." Like, what are we doing? That is so lame.

Guys, Draymond put a box with a twig and a little rope on it and put a banana, and dumbass Austin Rivers went in there like, "Ooh, a free banana!" That was a trap. He said, "I'm gonna— we could compare high school because that was the best you've ever been in your life." And then he proved it. That was the peak of your life. And he said, even then we were peers. And also, no we wasn't!

I was—

like, you just proved what a doofus you were. You had all the advantages. And we're not just talking about advantages of the starting point of being number 1 and number 2 in the high school class, but also the advantages of a father who not only played in the league but coaches in the league. All the resources, all the money, the definition of born on third base. And thinks he hit a triple. Austin Rivers. And he took it hook, line, and sinker. We can have a conversation about Draymond and Steve Kerr. I think that's a more fascinating conversation to have than doofus with a microphone, like, trying to say, hey, remember, I dated the captain of the cheerleading team? And it's so dumb, dude. You sound ridiculous. And again, full disclosure, I've had my run-ins with Austin as well, and I told him, I was like, this is why nobody liked you, dude.

Really?

I told him straight up, "Oh, you can ask any of my teammates, like, trust me." Why did you have a run-in with him? Well, so years and years ago when Austin was playing poorly, I might add, I was very critical. Critical, fair, critical.

On ESPN?

On ESPN, yeah.

But wait, he's better at basketball than you, so who are you to step into that conversation?

I know, wild how that works.

Well, I mean, listen, that's exactly what you're doing. You're taking Draymond's side because he's better than Austin Rivers, and so therefore we should take Draymond's word over this. I—

you haven't been— no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I did.

Okay.

What I said was Draymond set the trap of, hey, let's talk about high school because that's the peak of your career. And Austin, rather than saying, look man, like, everyone was great in high school, took the bait and started beating his chest about his high school career.

Yeah, that was dumb. I agree. He has a chip on his shoulder.

He panned to the Naismith.

He did. This is—

he gave a little lean.

This is Al Bundy, ladies and gentlemen. This is Al Bundy talking about the 4 touchdowns at Polk High.

Okay, so you were me— you, you said things on ESPN.

So I said things, and Austin's brother, who I think— well, I guess was on the Bucs staff, Spencer Rivers, I want to say his name, was like talking trash to me real time on Twitter while I'm, you know, I was talking about some game or whatever.

While he's an assistant coach?

No, no, he was, he was in high school— college or whatever. He was in— he was a or whatever he was. I don't know what he was doing. Anyway, so he talks some shit. I was like, ah, whatever, dude. And then he's like, no, no, let's fight, or whatever. I'm like, what are you talking about? And right as he said that, like, Austin blew a wide-open dunk on ESPN. I was like, oh, this is— could not have framed this better. So I go to the Clipper game, the very next home Clipper game, I go to it, right? And so that's my thing. If I say stuff about players, look, I'm not gonna go out of my own travel cross-country, but if I'm in town and you're in town, I'm gonna go to the game. I sit there and I'll just— I sit right there courtside. If you have something to say to me, you can come say to me, to my face. It's happened several times, uh, over the course of my career. So I sit there, he comes out, he warms up. I'm not gonna interrupt his warm-up. He doesn't see me, or maybe ignores me, whatever, does his thing, whatever.

I go to the back, the Clippers PR is like, oh, oh, did you talk to Austin? I'm like, well, no. He's like, oh, I'll tell Austin you're here. I'm like, okay, fine, tell him I'm here. I'm not— what am I, I'm not running away from this. So I end up in the back tunnel, uh, in Staples outside the locker rooms, and one by one people are coming out, right? And, uh, Chris Paul comes out and he looks at me, but he's got his kid with him. Like, he wants to say something, but he's like, ah, whatever. And then Jeff Green walks out and he's just kind of like— his eyes get wide.

So like, they all know that you said something about their teammate.

They all know, right?

They all watch, they all watch, they all listen, they all read.

The, the last person who comes out is Austin. And Austin walks up to me and says, "Hey man, have I done something to wrong you?" I'm like, I was so tired, I'm ready for, alright, here it comes, whatever. And I was like, "What?" And he's like, "No, I just feel like you really pick on me." And I said, "Nah man, I'm just what I am, I'm critical. I do this to everybody. I'm not, you know, like I might do it in an asshole way, but it's not personal." He's like, "No, no, it feels personal with me." And I said, "It's not personal." And there's a couple beat writers, I'm like, "So-and-so, is it personal or am I just an asshole?" And they're like, "He's just an asshole." And then, "So-and-so, same thing?" And then, "Yeah, he's just an asshole." And then Jared Dudley comes out and I said, "Jared, is it personal or am I just an asshole?" And Jared says, "Nah, he's an asshole, let's kick his ass." So, he's obviously joking. And Austin's like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that, no. I don't think that's right and I saw what my brother said and I told him not to do that and that's not cool." And as he's talking, I'm like, "Damn, man." He seems like a pretty okay guy.

Yeah, sounds like it to me.

I started to feel bad.

Yeah.

And then he said, but I'm going to win Most Improved Player. And I'm like, shut the fuck up. And he walked on, right? And so for me, I've told that story for years about like, yo, I thought it was going to be contentious. It sounds nice, but he was real nice, right? Fast forward to some dumbass like aggregator posted a video of my jump shot and was like, this man has the ability to convince people on the NBA, but he shoots like this. Like, that's exactly how the guy sounded. I'm like, Yeah. So I'm like, okay, whatever. But one of the comments under it is Austin Rivers. This guy's a bum and he doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm like, word? You want to play that game? So I hit him back with like, yo, I hit him back on Weekend Observations. I said, it's not my fault that nobody likes you, that your teammates didn't like playing with you, that you think that the reason you're out of the league is the CBA, but the real reason is because you just weren't that good enough to stick around. And you know, and he's like, that's not true.

My teammates, he did the same thing. And but I'm like, whatever, dude. So fast forward to this thing right here. He's talking, Draymond sets a bait, he falls for the bait, falls in the banana and tailpipe, all that stuff, right? But the reality is Austin Rivers does not possess the self-awareness to be properly critical of the game. Everything he says, you watch everyone listening to this right now, when you watch him do broadcast You're gonna notice everything he says is through the prism of like, how I would have done it, or what I did it, or what— like, he does not know how to just critique the game. It's always about him because he still thinks, damn, I should be out there. I guarantee he's watching these playoffs like, I'm better than that guy, I should be out there.

Dan Levitard.

It's all about me.

Stugatz.

Whee!

This is the Dan Levitard Show with the Stugatz. Do you want to hear any more of Austin Rivers? I mean, he went at Draymond Green's NBA career too.

I think— no, I don't care what he has to say. I would like to have a conversation about Draymond and his, like, his comments because I think they're fascinating.

All right.

Well, first, let's check back in with the Love Doctor here. He's got an opening in his schedule now, so we may as well let another one of our listeners get in a very important question with Mother's Day ahead. For the Love Doctor.

I've been dating this new girl for about a month now. We've been doing a lot of, I would say, a lot of fun things, a lot of expensive things. And my question to you, Greg, Mr. Love Guru, is how do I ask this woman to be my girlfriend? She told me she already essentially said yes. I just got to do it in a loving way.

Oh man, I have just the way for you because it worked for me. Okay, it's fail-safe. Spit on it. Here's what you do. You do it without words. You do it. You ask her without words. Here's the drill. Take your bestie out to the finest restaurant in town, candlelight dinner, the whole nine yards. But the best part is yet to come. You take her back to your apartment, baby, and then you imagine the look of delight on her face when you— when she sees that you have spelled out 'Would you be my girlfriend?' with 147 empty Miller Lite bottles.

It's a white trash proposal, baby.

Classy one.

Damn right, it worked.

Is that in the window?

Yo, why am I in the window?

I said, asshole, been a lifelong partner of the Dan Levitard Show for most of its existence. We're gonna have a chat.

Says, get out of my window.

Um, it's the other window.

It's a Peeping Tom over here. Peeping Zazz. Ridiculum. Cucking it.

All right, thank you, Love Doctor. Go ahead, Amin.

All right, so Draymond's thing is like, Steve Kerr helped me, he helped me become a champion, but I can't help but—

Draymond is being a dick there, what he's saying about Austin Rivers.

No, man, no, because of course he is, as what, being a dick about what Steve Kerr said, or what he said about Steve Kerr?

No, what he's saying Austin Rivers, like, what's the point? Like, Like, instead of reacting to what Austin Rivers said on the Dan Patrick Show, he's attacking the messenger instead of the message.

That's exactly right. And by the way, Austin Rivers' better response instead of taking the bait would have been like, hey, by the way, if we're getting into this, who are you to talk about football, Draymond Green? You never played pro football.

Right. Like, it's such a tired— like, we did this the other day, right, where no, you can't talk about this. So when Draymond Green— Draymond Green's going to be in television, right, most likely when he's done with his career. So anytime— like, we're talking about Jokic. Like, Draymond's not allowed to talk about Jokic, I guess, right?

I mean, well, and I mean, Amin's never been the, the star of a movie, so who's he to talk about movies, right? I mean, if we start applying that measure—

no, no, it's not a good point.

The idea is this, that Draymond again is not even— it's like, I don't have to entertain what this guy is saying. And by the way, neither should we. Like I said, the more important and interesting conversation is what Draymond said about Steve Kerr. What do you have to say about Austin Rivers? I don't give a shit. Because Austin Rivers is irrelevant in that way. It's— there's no part of this that advances the story or the idea of what Draymond is talking about.

I guess.

So, in terms of what Draymond's talking about for Steve Kerr, saying that Steve Kerr helped him but in some ways hindered him. And it goes to the heart of like, when you play team sports, what is a word that comes up all the time? Sacrifice. Sacrifice. Meaning I am going to give something up in order to be for the greater good of the team. The reality is that you being the best version of yourself isn't always congruent with the team concept. Years ago, Mike, remember I was telling you that Dwyane Wade needs to change because he can still be Dwyane Wade, puts up all those numbers, but this team's not gonna be good. It can be good in service of that, but in terms of winning, That's not the best thing. The best thing is if he takes a smaller role, he ends up leaving, when he comes back, he embraces that smaller role, and I think the team was better off for it. So Draymond, I think it's fair to say he did that. He hindered his offensive development because that's not what the team needed from him. They needed him to be a passer, they needed him to be a defender, they needed him to do all those things, right?

The year where Steve Kerr was hurt and Luke Walton was the head coach, Draymond shot almost 40% from 3, and he was— he's putting up great numbers and, and, and was a driving force to a team that won 70-plus games. So it can't help but be in his mind like, whoa, what would have happened if I had been allowed to continue down that path? Now, I maybe not be as successful a winner had I done that, but in terms of like what we're talking about Jalen Brown, like, how good am I? That's a question, of course, every player has to think about.

I think that this pairs up neatly with what Mike Ryan was talking about yesterday with Rudy Gobert and giving him his flowers for now two rounds of high-end, you know, centers that are, you know, you would put on a piece of paper better than Rudy Gobert. I think Rudy Gobert is only playing two-dimensional basketball. You're not asking him to be the three-dimensional player that he's going up against. You're asking him to play defense. That— focus on that, Rudy. You don't have to do anything at the other end of the floor. I think the most severe examples of that, I think, are, are in basketball. I always invoke Kurt Rambis. Kurt Rambis is not a rotational guy on bad teams, but he's a starter on the Lakers because he is— do one thing, Kurt Rambis. And Rick Fox, to a lesser degree, is also that on those Lakers teams. You're not You're not— you're not in the 6 or 7 first names mentioned by any coach except in that Lakers situation. If you just do this one or two things for us, Rick, we're a better collective.

Well, Rick Fox is different because Rick Fox was actually the best player on the Celtics. Celtics weren't good, but he was like one of the players.

I mean, and then he gets to L.A.

and it's like, hey, we need you to fit this role. I talk about this all the time. The most important question every player needs to be able to answer accurately and truthfully is, "Who am I?" Because if you answer that question correctly, it will lead to the best possible kind of career in terms of helping the team be successful. If you answer incorrectly, you end up like Austin Rivers, always like, "Well, I should be this," but you're not, right? And that's the key. Draymond Green accepted the answer to, "Who am I?" is to do these things. And when we do these things, we're a championship team and I'm a Hall of Famer. But there's a part of him, of course, that's going to wonder, what if I had said, wait, hold on, I don't want to stunt my offensive growth. I want bigger roles. I want plays called for me. I want to find out where my limits are.

I hear you, but he's— it sounds to me like he is putting himself into a Scottie Pippen type of level player. Were it not for me accepting being the 1A, being the, uh, riding shotgun to the, to the guy on the team, Scottie Pippen actually could elevate. I don't buy that Draymond Green is that for a half decade, is the best player on a good team.

I think you can make the argument that Draymond Green's like the Michael Jordan of Robert Horrys.

Yeah, look, David— Coach David Thorpe— Coach David Thorpe had this, this concept. He called it royal jelly, right? And in the— in bee colonies, the bee that is going to be queen, they feed her the royal jelly, the very highest grade of like the honey. Because they want her to be big and strong and be a great queen, right? In basketball, like, when you have players that are fed the royal jelly, meaning we are exhausting all resources to maximize your development in every single way. Obviously Victor Wembanyama is a guy who's getting royal jelly. Obviously someone like, you know, Cooper Flagg is getting royal jelly, right? Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards. These guys are like, these are anointed. Usually it's top picks or whatever. Sometimes it's a guy that comes out of obscurity. So Kawhi Leonard wasn't a guy getting royal jelly, but at some point the Spurs realized, oh, he's better than just a 3-and-D guy. Feed him the royal jelly and then he turns into a superstar.

Jalen Brunson.

Jalen Brunson is another good one. There you go, right? So for Draymond Green, you're saying I couldn't see him happening like the way— and I agree with you, but a lot of that is because early in his career he wasn't fed royal jelly. Meaning not the time, the resources, the, uh, and also the opportunity to try these things in game, right? And because he's not getting that, his growth is stunted, and he grows up to be, again, a Hall of Famer, but a very different kind of player than he would have been had we taken everything into saying, hey, we're gonna make him the best possible player.

I mean, but it's the intellectual seesaw of, do I want to win, or do I want to have my cake and eat it too on a great team? Or be the best player on a team that may not be great, right? And it's like, how, how far can I push my limits? How far can I challenge myself? And we're looking at Jaylen Brown being like, I can look at that Atlanta roster and maybe I can be the guy to get them over the hump, right? They made it to the, to the Eastern Conference Finals a couple years ago. Maybe I'm the guy, the missing piece that's there. I've already done it here. I like— I'm not simulated here anymore.

That's a great— the, the, the— what he has done, Jaylen Brunson, has created a bunch of other guys around the league who think He did it, maybe I could do it too. That's dangerous for the general managers of the NBA.

It's dangerous unless you pick the right one. Right? And like, so Tracy McGrady, it's ironic that we had Tracy on with Vince on their podcast, 'cause they were teammates. And Vince Carter was a global superstar. He was NBA darling. Media hit, ratings every time he was on TV. And Tracy was a really good player. Like, oh, he's a good young player. It's his little cousin. They're cousins, they play together. Little cousin. Little cousin's pretty good. And when Tracy decided to leave and go to Orlando, everyone said, "What are you doing? You guys together! It's a great one-two duo. You guys are gonna run the East in a couple years. Why would you leave to go to Orlando of all places? They're not good. They don't have anybody." And he goes there, and he's the number 2 billed guy, by the way. Grant Hill's the number 1 billed guy. But Grant Hill is hurt. So Tracy McGrady plays. And he plays a lot, and he has full control of the offense. And guess what we found out? Tracy McGrady, pretty fucking amazing at basketball. And that changes his entire life right there. That decision to say, I'm gonna leave comfort, I'm gonna leave where this thing is, and where everyone tells me you're good being just you, I'm gonna go take that chance.

Now there are countless examples of people who took the chance and flamed out. Trevor Ariza left the Lakers after winning a championship thinking he could be an All-Star. He wasn't. Aaron Afflalo left the Nuggets thinking that he could be an All-Star. He wasn't, right? It happens a lot, but I don't fault guys, especially if they've already won, to kind of take that chance. I want to know where my limits are.

Let's check back in with the love doctor here. We have another patient who needs that advice with Mother's Day this weekend.

Go ahead.

Hey Greg, is it okay to bring a fake date to Mother's Day just so my mom relaxes?

Oh my God, uh, Mom's a little judgy, huh? Um, no, don't come off as desperate. The last thing you want to do is bring a fake date to Mother's Day. You want to bring two fake dates. You want one on each arm, and you want to be super touchy, super flirty, like your mom has never seen It's like, what's my daughter— ménage à trois. You want mom to think that you not only have a boyfriend, you know what I'm saying?

You know what I'm saying?

And you're gonna leave her. When you leave with your two boyfriends, she's gonna be a nervous wreck, but she's no longer ever gonna push you to have a boyfriend. You've solved your problem.

DP in it.

Take that advice.

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