Transcript of True Super Bowl Contenders, RIP Niners, Savior Penix, and the End for Rodgers (But Not for Russ) with Cousin Sal

Coming up, Thanksgiving Weekend Football. Always Fun, Cousin Sal. Next. We're also brought to by the Ringer podcast Network. You can watch all the clips and videos from the Bill Simmons podcast on my YouTube channel. It's called the Bill Simmons YouTube channel. I'm not sure we're going to have a rewatchables podcast this week. I know. I know. We've had a pretty good streak. It was just a variety of things that happened over the last eight, nine days. We lost our studio. Thanksgiving week. I have a bunch of stuff at the beginning of this week, and it just doesn't look like we're going to be able to tape a podcast. We might take the week off. But here's the thing. We've done, I think, 365 movies. A bunch of them are on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel. We have seven years worth of podcasts to listen to. I would just encourage you to go back. If you miss us on the rewatchables, just go back and listen to one the old ones. Or you can watch Yot Rock, a documentary on Max, because that documentary premiered on Friday. People loved it. I was fired up. People really liked it, and it's doing well.

You can just go Instead of listening to the rewatchables, just go watch our Yot Rock documentary. But I apologize. We'll be back next week. I'm also going to be in Denver with Ursillo this week. We are doing a live show. It's already sold out, but really look forward to going. I think we're going to the Nuggets game on Tuesday night as well to see Jokuj in his own domain in Denver. So that's going to be super fun. Coming up on this podcast, Cousin Sal and I are going to break down everything that happened today and across the week. Always a strange three Thursday games, a Friday game, all the Sunday games. So we're going to try to remember everything that happened, see where it stands and where it's headed. It's all next, first our friends from ProJam. We are live on YouTube. We are live on the B. S. Podcast. Cousin Sal is here. It is 08:15 PM. Feels a little early for us on a Sunday night, right?

Yeah, they did a nice job of just running and running and running the ball so that we get out early and talk about the sloppy, sloppy game. But Bill, forget Halley Steinfeld. I'm going to marry Josh Allen right now. He threw a pass and he caught it for a TD, Mike, same play.

I've never seen that.

I don't care if my son Jack is freezing his balls off on the field. I'm going to marry that Josh out. You watch.

My son Jack is like Jack Torrance freezing to death in a chair. Yes, no. Second time in a week and a half for us. It felt a little less special after Brown Stealers, but it was still really fun.

Do you like it? You like the game? I don't know.

I mean, after we watched football for 10 hours, it was fun to have a wrinkle of a game that actually looked a little bit different. The big thing was this McCafree, them playing him in those conditions. We don't know. We're taping this, and we don't know how badly he got hurt, but he limped off. It didn't look great. It's A bad pop in his ankle. Yeah, there were injured doctors studying, did his calf jiggle, and all this stuff. But I don't know why they played them. It wasn't a game I thought they really had a lot of a chance to win. Buffalo was a Georgetown favorite. It wasn't a game that necessarily made or broke their season because they have a bunch of stuff later. It just felt like even watching it, I was surprised they didn't talk about it more in the lead up to the game than the first quarter, right? Because he didn't He's been seem healthy the last couple of weeks.

I think the problem with these games... Well, first of all, with these snow games, it's either going to be 6:00 to 3:00, which is disappointing, or it's going to be like we just saw where everybody's sliding for nine yards. This is backyard football right now. So I think they put him in there because they know who's better at quick stepping through holes than McCafree. If he's healthy. If that's what's going to be the game. If he's healthy, yeah. He was looking good early on, but they He got smoked. I mean, Josh Allen is just perfect for that one.

Tough fantasy thing if you had him. You're counting on him for a Sunday night. Tough for the Niners fans. The year from hell is officially happening. But I was thinking, playing McCafree Caffrey in that weather. It would have been like at the... How many people did you have for Thanksgiving?

Twenty.

So if you said, Hey, all the relatives over 70, let's all start doing shots. Somebody would have said, Bad idea.

Don't Yeah, but we did it anyway. You did it anyway. It was Zappel-Snyder.

Caffrey in the Snow, same thing. I was trying to think if Achilles is trending on Twitter, which it was today, would he have been the minus 400 for Achilles trending on a Sunday? I would add him, a couple of other suspects, people who have already had Achilles injuries like Rodgers, Kevin Durant, but I think he would have been the favorite.

That's a really good... Could we bet on that, something like that? Trending topics, like if... Sucking the life out of a team is all right, Aaron Rodgers minus 3500. Or is it, you know, Bryce Young? No, he was actually good today.

Well, they just have the word. Sometimes it'll just be like Rodgers, and you just know something bad happened. This one, Achilles, not great. My wife waited. My wife came in and watched some of the games. She thought the weather was unfair. She thought it was an advantage Buffalo, and she doesn't understand why they would want to have advantages in the games. I was like, Well, that's why we have the phrase home field advantage. She's like, But why wouldn't they build... It snows in Buffalo every year. She went to school in upstate New York. She's like, The weather's terrible. Why wouldn't they have a stadium with a roof? I was like, No, you don't get it. They actually want this. This is great for them. They have this team from Northern California coming in and playing in shitty conditions. That's what you want if you're a Bills fan, right?

Absolutely. No doubt about it.

You went to college up there. I mean, you saw some of this.

The second-place team is the Dolphins. We saw enough. They weren't in Buffalo this week, but we know that strategically, that's, of course, how you do it. Yeah, I went up that Lake Effect snow is a real goddamn thing. But yeah, they'll have the advantage for as long as... I mean, they've never sucked in the snow, right? So that's all you need to know.

No, it just feels like Allen, snow, home, night game. I put Buffalo. I had them in a couple of teases. It just seemed like I'd be shocked if this didn't somehow work out for them. I'm starting to see from your demeanor, something bad might have happened today with you.

No. Are you sure? No, what do you mean?

Did you see your bets go? Did you see how your bets go? Everything go okay?

No, they were fine. I had a battle back. I mean, I know this is not the way to do it, but Ohio State just crushed me. I thought that I had a 14 money line parlay. But I'm thankful because had the lions blown it like they should have, maybe, had the chiefs blown it like they should have, I would have doubled and tripled up on an Ohio State money line parlay with something else. But no, my only loser was the Ravens, and I know we'll get to that, but that was such a bummer of a game.

That was my only loser, too. I did well today. Got a little luck. I felt like some of the 50-50 games swung my way. Really glad I didn't have any money in that Tampa game because that seemed like a nightmare, even though they're covered. Buffalo going 10-2 now. They're still in the two seed. Pittsburgh Now, nine and three, two up in the loss column over Baltimore. And yet the odds for that division are weirdly close for where I thought that was going to be. The Stewards are only, what, plus one, 25? And Baltimore is plus 155. The other way. Oh, yeah. No, no. Minus 155. Pittsburgh is minus 155, Baltimore is plus 125. They play each other again, and they both have that weird Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Christmas game combo. And I don't think they know how to do the odds for No, I think you're right.

And you look at the same games I do. I think the Steelers home for the Browns next week is the last time they're going to be favored. So that's why I think it's so tight, but I don't even know what with the Ravens.

They We'll save that because I want to talk to Ribbons. So Pittsburgh has Cleveland Home, then at Philly, at Baltimore on a Saturday.

Underdog.

Casey Home, Christmas, and then Home, Cincinnati, Week 18. Baltimore is a buy. They have the Giants away, Pittsburgh home, Houston home on Christmas, Cleveland home. So they finish with three in a row. The reason I bring this up in the context of Buffalo is because I really want that two-seated if I'm in the AFC. Buffalo right now is the game advantage. It feels like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, however this plays out, I don't think either of those teams catches Buffalo the way this is going. Buffalo- You want the two over the three.

I I want the two-seed.

I want to play Denver or whoever as the seventh seed in that first game. I want a home game. I want the two-three in the second round, potentially. The two-seed sounds great if I'm Buffalo.

Absolutely. We saw what Buffalo did to Pittsburgh at home last year. They canceled the game 14 times and then finally played it, and they went by two touch downs. It would be maybe not similar to what we saw today. But yeah, you definitely want home field if you're an outdoor team like that.

Well, yeah, and especially this year with that 17. But there's also a game behind KC. That Black Friday game feels like it happened five weeks ago. But KC, just yet another pulling it out of their assholes game. They're somehow 11 and one. Nobody feels good about it. This last one really feels like of all the... The Isiah likely is a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10. If I can't believe you won that game, the foot on the line. The Black Friday was probably like an eight It was the Raiders, it was Antonio pierce, it was Aiden O'Neill. There were things I didn't love about it if you're scared for them losing, but they somehow steal it. I have no idea how they're 11-1. Can I say It's like they were doing these stats about how it's happened four times ever where a team has won this many games by seven points or less. They're already making history, and there's four weeks left.

Yeah, their point differential should be about plus 330, and I think it's plus 54. But I have a bigger statement to make. I think, Kyle, can you turn on the MySpace camera right now? I feel... Did he turn it on? It's always hard to tell. The Chiefs will be the first great team whose legacy is affected by their impact on gambling. I feel like no one back in the day would care if the '70s Stealers or the '80s 49ers covered the spread, but it's a big deal now. And even though they won on Friday, games Things like that, like leave a bad taste in your mouth that I feel like they're a great team, but they're not going to be remembered like your Patriots are, even if they get to that many Super Bowl. It's like, damn it, I just couldn't win money off of them. I could never do it. I don't know why. So many people bet on them. That's just how it is these days.

It's a great point. I looked it up because in our Picks poll that we have, I would never bet on the Raiders. That line was so high. It was twelve and a half. And I was like, man, it just doesn't seem like the Chiefs are reliable double figures over anybody. What have they been like the last couple of years? You go back this year and last year, and it's just they don't have a lot of blowout wins. It's not like the typical, like a game like today where Buffalo just beats hell out of somebody. But they have a way of hanging around and just figuring it out. We've been talking about it for months and months. It was somebody... Who texted? I'm blowing this. So some friend texted me. Probably Hanch.

Just say Hanch.

I'm sure it was. No, because this is a wrestling thing. He wouldn't have...

Oh, yeah.

It's the Chiefs that become a wrestling finish team. Oh. Where it's like... Remember Hogan in the mid '80s? Mm-hmm. Every Hogan match was the same for five years where the guy would beat him up, beat him up. Then he would hulk up and the guy would beat him up and then he'd hulk up again. I'm like, Oh, he's... Maybe this is the time he's not going to win. And then suddenly he'd flip it, he'd do the leg drop and he'd win. That's what the Chiefs have been doing for two years now.

Interesting. See, I'd compare it to a weird finish, like a roll up from behind when the referee is not looking or when the manager distracts the guy.

It's like, Oh, like a Mr. Fuji salt in the face finish?

How did they pull that out? That's ridiculous. The crowd was pumped. It was eating. Something like that. Salt to the eyes.

You've been doing a lot of media. You were up today. What were we doing on our Sunday pregame? 11:00? You were on there. I came on at 9:00. I had an hour, but you've been doing a lot of media today. We have been doing really well on the pregame show, and John Jastremski is just becoming the weak link. I don't know what we do. Do we whack him? Do we do it like Peshy style? Hey, JJ, you're getting made. You're in the Ringer, you're getting made. He just walks in a room, there's just plastic on the floor. He ruined everybody hit the same game, touch down bet today. Any time, touch down. Three for four. No, JJ had Kenneth Walker. What do we do? Do we pull him for a week? Do we bench him? Do we bring in another host? What What do we do?

I'm going to laugh extra hard because you have no idea how seriously he's going to take this. I know.

Yo, bro, was he serious?

He's not going to have a great sense of humor about this, and I love him. But yeah, I don't know. Jj, we're kidding. I mean, Bill's not kidding, but I'm kidding.

No, it is good. It's good to have a common barometer for the normal betting as we ascend above with all of our. No, I feel like he'll turn around. In general, I said it when I was on the show today, the gravitating toward the bad teams, especially this time of year, unless it's a straight money line play like the Panthers. I just like house was saying, should we throw the Tennessee in the T's? I don't want to put Tennessee. I never put them in the T's. I don't trust Will Levis. That would have been over before. There's certain teams that are just like, I don't trust.

I get it, but there is some value. My best bet was your Patriots over 20 and a half. I don't want to have to worry if they won or something. I know, but for God's sakes, we should have had that in the second quarter, right? But the two touch downs called back and missed field goals and everything else. So there's a little bit of value. It's scary because most of the time you're rooting for bad quarterbacks, but your quarterback is damn good. I'm sure you've set aside 20 minutes for this. No, I didn't.

We're not going to talk about it today. I will say I was happy that you were rooting for the Pats to get the 20 points and got to see what we've seen all year with that Pats team, with the coaching and the strategy. And like, Jake, every time we went back to pass, it was just a 9 to 15-yard completion of somebody. Or he would just run for 40 yards. And then they're like, You know what? We're just going to hand the ball off now for another 10 minutes.

Well, he saw a soft zone, and I'm sure he would love to see that every week. And he got the ball out of his hand quickly, like two and a half seconds or less the whole time. But I do want to ask you, I know you root against him at this point because you want a better draft pick. A 68-yard field goal would have been pretty cool.

It was moronic. It was 30 degrees outside. Where are the ads? Where are the ads he's going to make that? He He missed it by seven yards. He did? Yeah. That's close. I would rather do the Hale Mary. It's 85% of the game. It landed seven yards in front of the goalpost, which means to actually clear it. I must have seen it when it bounced. Nobody's making that. There's not a kicker in the week that can make that. Rudy texted us during this that Shana had said, McCaffrey has probably a season-ending PCL injury, so it's a knee injury.

Jesus.

Tough one. That's really good. The official year from hell for the Niners, and somehow they are not out of it. One more of Bill's Niners' topic is this now feels like Allen's MVP to lose. I feel like we've used the MVP to lose with different players this year, but now there's only five weeks left in the season. He's going to be a one or a two seed, which is one of the things that usually has it. It just seems like the way Lamar played today and the Ravens played today, and they have five losses, he's got two. I don't know who's taking that from him.

Goff is not going to get it. Well, here's what's interesting. The odds are out. And I think you're right. Lamar played himself out of it today. Goff had that five interception game, and even though he's been good since, he doesn't seem to be able to crawl back in. Mahomes is too far beyond. Barkley, this is going to be the narrative right now. He's plus 500. He's second to Josh Allen, who's minus 230.

I know we talked about it last week, and I read some good pieces just in general about how MVP works. And then I forgot who made the point. I was just like, Shit, I wish I had said this week ago. I know Barkley's having a great year, but we can't say he's the MVP of the league. If you just remove him and put an average running back in the Eagles's attack, I still think they're a playoff team. If you removed Josh Allen, and let's give them... I don't know who's the 20th QB. Let's give them Ty Rod Taylor. Are they a 500 team? Probably not.

No.

I think the Eagles would be a playoff team no matter who the running back was, as good as Barkley's been. I think, to me, it's more of an offensive player of the year. I hate the MVP conversation where it's always like QB has to win, QB has to win. But we just have too much evidence how crazy valuable the QB is and everything Alan does week to week. I don't know how he is in MVP.

He touches the ball every snap. He has more opportunity to screw up. Obviously, he has more opportunity to produce numbers too. But yeah, I think you're right. But two things working against Barkley. He's a running back. And two, he's part of a team that has the best, most effective play in all of sports, which is the push-push. And he's not even He's not a factor in it. So what are you going to do? That said, if he breaks the record, maybe he should be considered. If he gets the 600 yards, whatever he needs, next four games.

Who's your craziest I know this guy can't win the MVP, but there should be some separate award for what he's doing this year, God, because mine is Baker Mayfield, who is 201 to win an MVP, and just feels like week after week. There was that month long stretch when he just had no weapons. You couldn't name a single receiver that he had, rookie running back. Their line is like guys are hurt. Their left tackles out. It just feels like he's running for every three players. Even today against Carolina, I have no idea how they won that game. But it feels like week to week, he's just dragging that team to whatever the potential of the team is, which isn't high. It's a good one. I feel like he should be higher than 201.

Absolutely. Great energy he brings. Now, he got hurt for a minute and came in and threw a bad interception, but he fought them back into the game. I would say if I have to pick someone from that, Joe Barro, because he's losing games that are just statistically Basically, if you look at Brady's numbers, when he put up those numbers versus Burrow, braided was like 22 and one, and Burrow was like three and nine or something. So I don't know what's going on. Probably can't give him MVP.

Yeah, Burrow has been saddled with the worst defense in either conference. It's incredible. It's just over and over again. It feels like they're down 17 points. All right, break for the podcast. Next topic. I wanted to play some... I had some questions. Speaking of the Ravens, same old Ravens or brand new eagles, if you had to pick one, because something felt a little different about that Eagles game, especially defensively, that was the most excited I've been about their defense in two years. On the flip side, Ravens, nine, nothing, miss a P-A-T, lose momentum for whatever reason, fall behind. It's a team that sometimes when they're behind, I just feel like the game's over and they can't move the ball. All of a sudden, it feels like they only have one receiver. Lamar is just running around. You just watch it going. I feel like I've seen this game and bet on it 20 times, and now I'm here again. So which one would you go? Same old Ravens or brand new eagles?

I don't want to give the eagles any credit. I gave them enough just saying they have the most effective play in sports. But I'm going to I'm a cynic, I'm going to say same old Ravens, but for different reasons. It doesn't make any sense. They got the best free agent of the offseason, Henry and Barkley are 1A and 1B. And now with Henry, they can close out games. They have leads, and it's all negated because the greatest kicker of our generation thinks it's funny to bang every boot into the upright. It doesn't really make any sense, does it? How are they going to lose because of this kicker?

Well, that was part of it, but I felt like he was getting an unfair. He caused them seven points.

They couldn't cover A. J.

Brown during a huge swath of that game where it just felt like he was tearing them up. I don't know what they were doing offensively with some of the play calling. As usual, they only had one receiver. Aguilar had his typical huge drop at a really pivotal moment. I didn't think the whole team played well. And if Tucker had made all those points, well, except for them.

Am I looking at that? They gave up 252 total yards, like 12 and 140.

Because the offense had the ball a lot, but didn't seem to ever be really doing anything with it. Right.

Yeah, I know.

But it felt like when they're up 9, nothing, 10, nothing, it felt like they were just going to... That's when they should be putting teams away, and they went the opposite way on them. Yeah.

Four-loss team, up nine, nothing at home. Got the fans on their side. I still don't understand the kicking because it all led to everything else. Then they had to go for it on fourth and eight because he missed those field goals and gave the eagles good field position, whatever. But that push-push is really... Do you know of anything else in sports? If a bunt down the first baseline worked every single time, or if a corner kick in soccer, or if you deflected a wrist shot in hockey that went in the net every time. I don't know. I don't think that we've seen anything like it.

I'm trying to think. It's almost like Kareem Skyhook is the only thing I could think of. Yeah, maybe. Even that It wasn't nearly as reliable.

They false start and fumble and still got it and scored. Right. Forget it. It's over.

Tucker costs them seven points. It was his first three miss game ever. For the season, though, not as bad as I thought. It feels like they're all loud misses. He's 19 for 27 as a kicker. It's pretty run-of-the-mill average. I don't think Kuh in Atlanta is better than that.

I like that when you said a loud miss. Do you mean literally loud?

I just It feels like every miss really resonated. It wasn't just like, Oh, it's a random miss. They're up 16 in the fourth quarter. It's like every miss felt like it was this pivotal momentum swing in a game. But it's also actually loud. He's 42 for 44 in Pats. It's not like he's missed a million. He's missed 10 kicks total. And yet I think I remember 9 of them. It's been one of those seasons. I didn't like how they played, though. I feel like if you're up, you have That lead at home. Sure. Against the team, Hertz finishes 11 for 19 for 118 yards, 9 for 29 rushing. She just told me those stats. I'm like, Oh, the Ravens are in. The explosiveness, other than Zee flowers or a big Lamar scramble, just doesn't seem to be there unless Henry can bust through. But I really thought the Eagles defense was excellent. And their D-backs that they drafted. Jalen Carter, the fact that he fell to them going back two years ago when all those teams passed on him. They didn't have Brandon Graham today. They still looked like they didn't miss him. But I thought, from what we saw, what are their NFC odds?

Because we talked about this on this Sunday pregame today. Oh, shit. So they were plus 750 after I remember looking at that at Thanksgiving after Detroit, who I want to talk about in a second. And I was like, Man, Detroit feels vulnerable. I wonder who the... And it was Philly.

They weren't 750 last week. No, they weren't.

But packers were plus 750. The Now they're 701. Philly, I think, was plus 3:50. Now they're plus 250. That's what it was. That makes sense. Yeah. Philly's now plus 2:50. And only a game back still from Detroit.

I know. You know what? I know everyone wants them, but while they have to get the home field, I just think if that running game is working, they'll win anywhere. I hate to say it. In spite of this coach, it's really everything is working out perfectly for him.

The coach, it seemed... I remember making a joke on Twitter in September about being ready to try to bring him in for the Ringer, toast the Ringer Philly Special after he got fired. It seemed like it was going to be a wrap.

Was it on the chain with you? We were talking about, has a coach like this made a comeback like before?

Like a guy who. Yeah, I'm sure it's happened. Well, they've won eight straight, and now you look at their last five, Carolina home, Pittsburgh home, Washington on the road, Dallas home, Giants home. Pittsburgh is probably the toughest of those five. But to have a chance to be 13 in a row heading into the playoffs as a two-seater or a one-seater. I was not expecting that in September.

Yeah, they're over on this 13.5, and the over is minus 2.45. So they're going to have two or three losses.

Ravens had the ball for 34 minutes. They had 24 first downs. They outgained the Eagles by 120 yards. So a lot of those, that last drive, they had the cheap drive at the end where they went like 80 yards or whatever. And they have five losses somehow, the Ravens.

Yeah.

Would you keep them in your Super Bowl circle at this point? If I gave you seven teams?

Yeah, I think you have to, because I think we talked ourselves into... First of all, we have that AFC division parlay with the Bills, the Ravens, the Texans, and the Chiefs. And it looks like the Ravens are going to be the tough one, even though, like you said, they're plus 125. But yeah, if they win that division, I'm pretty sure they could win on the road. What would be their... If they went to Buffalo, you would feel least confident.

You could argue for them if If you're going to be a three seed.

Yeah.

You could also just be the five seed and go in and beat the hell out of Houston in the four or five game.

Right.

And then hope a two seed or a three seed loses. If they don't, just go in a KC in round two when they haven't played a meaningful game in a month.

Yeah, lose by one score or win. Okay, that's what it's going to be.

Our friends at FanDuel still have them with the best odds. Detroit plus 290, Buffalo 5 to 1, KC plus 5:50. Eagles, plus 550, Ravens 10 to 1. Packers 14 to 1, I think, are the intriguing long shots.

That's it. It's those six, right? With a month left, would you say it's those six?

I would put the Stealers in there. The Stealers are 24:1. I think the Stealers with the coaching and the defense and the field goal kicker who's been the best guy in the league this year. And the fact that they always seem to make two or three big plays. There's always a 40-yard play somewhere. I would put... I would have those seven. And then I can't really make a case for any other team.

No, that's it.

That's it, right? Yeah. Like chargers, you start looking at it and you're like, I don't think that's it. I don't think that's it.

They were not good today. I mean, you had the right side and everything. But I think I told you... I think I told you that game is going to be 15, 13, the fourth quarter, but it was actually 17, 13. It was a little more conventional, but same stuff out of them.

Next topic. Next question. Speaking of the Stealers, what were the Russell Wilson Comeback Part of the Year odds? Because I feel like he already has it wrapped. Who He's even in the mix. Who else would get it?

Well, the odds are up. Barro has been favored for the last month, and he's even odds. Kyla Murray just jumped ahead of Kirk Cousins now, plus 650.

How is Wilson Wilson not Comeback of the year. He was dead last year. Denver paid 50 million in their cap to not have him play anymore. And he didn't even start the season. And everybody thought Fields was going to be the starter. This guy, 414 yards, three touch downs. He threw a pick six because Pickens got interfered with. They didn't call it. That was a red flag. Since he goes up seven, nothing, it's like that was PI, he didn't call it. But I got to say, I thought he was done. It didn't seem like he wanted to get hit last year, and he's rejuvenated himself. I mean, he's not awesome. I'm not saying he's Russ from 10 years ago, but for whatever they were expecting from him versus what he's delivering, it has to have surpassed it.

I'm all confused now with this. He played the full boat last year, right?

Yeah, he was terrible. I mean, he got bench for whoever.

I don't think you can win. His career was over. See, there's a whole discrepancy here, whether you could win the award just because you sucked last year. I think you have to come back from- It has to be an injury? Injury or some weird circumstantial. But they still have odds on them.

If you asked 100 football fans, what's been the most surprising comeback in 2024? Russell Wilson wins the boat. Yeah. Nobody was like, Oh, you know who's going to be awesome? In Pittsburgh, Russell Wilson. I have a good feeling about this guy. I think he's going to be great. He seemed like he was done.

Wouldn't even think he'd start. Yeah.

Well, I realized this, Sal. The 2-7 could be Stealers-Broncos.

Oh, wow.

That's in play. It would involve Buffalo would have to mess something up, or Denver would somehow jump to six. So maybe it could be a 3-6. But Stealers-Broncos, round one would be super fun. Wilson going against a team that paid him to leave, and then he has to play him in the playoffs. So Tom, one coach of the year. Do they have the odds for that?

Yeah. So I was going to make a case for that. I don't know that we need to see, although we just did win over their schedule and how tough it is the rest of the way. But I think he's the guy. I mean, he's the favorite. They don't have odds up right now. He would be my pick right now. I mean, the guy, the fact that he's got nine already, he refuses to go under 500. He's so good after a loss. Just doesn't F up. It really doesn't.

Who else would it be? I think you could make a case for Sean McDermott, considering all the change that they had on that team with the coaching staff and some of the injuries.

I'm just looking because- O'Kannell is up there. I'm trying to think.

Who am I missing? O'kannell is done, like rejuvenating Steve Darron. Yeah, he's definitely in there. Yeah. Maybe Dave Knauss turning Carolina into a watchable team over the last five weeks.

The kneecap fighter, too. Dan Campbell. I think he was first last week.

No, that's a good one. So Wilson is 15 to 1 win, come back part of the year. And Kerr Cousins is 7 to 1.

Yeah. Is that true?

Yeah. Kerr Cousins, who leads the league in interceptions, is probably going to get benched at some point soon. So Baltimore somehow still plus 125, two wins, two wins behind the Stealers or two losses behind the Stealers.

They have the game at home, right? When they match up again, they play home.

You mentioned the bangles. Is that the most disappointing team for you now?

I think so.

Their over-under was 10 and a half wins, and their four and eight.

Yes. I mean, the Niners aren't going to get to their over-under. My team, of course, Personally, I'm most disappointed in my team, I guess. But yeah, the fact that the bangles and ravens had 13 combined losses and the calendar just turned to December. Jesus. It's rough, man. It's rough. I don't know. Lou Anaruma, everybody loved him, but I don't know if he's scheming the wrong way. But as much as we like Russ, you can't give up 4-14 to that guy. You can't.

Last three games, they gave up 389 yards, 435, 510 today.

Jesus.

They've given up 35, 34, 44 last three games, and they give up big plays. I think Wilson had nine, 10 plus yard passes. We It just felt like they were moving the ball downfield. But I don't know, the Burrow thing's strange because he's one of the five or six best QBs by any calculation. He seems like if you were going to just draft QBs to try to win a Super Bowl, he'd be one of the first ones that went. Usually when that happens, the team is at least... He pulls the team the nine wins, 10 wins, no matter who's on the team. This is about as bad as you can do with a quarterback like that.

Yeah, how It's not six and six? Just from a betting perspective, if you back this team, you just get used to the idea that you're almost definitely going to have the better quarterback, and they're going to lose because the defense is so bad.

Well, I said that when I came on my picks today, when I went on Ringer Sunday pregame. I really feel like this Thanksgiving week is the week that teams have been trying to tell us who they are, and we're choosing just not to believe them. The Niners were like that. The bangles were like that. The Falcons were definitely like that for me. But you hit this point, it's like there's no, Oh, maybe this would be the week. We have a three-month track record of behavior at this point. The Saints were a team that I thought We talked about it, but it really feels like as soon as Taysam Hill is hurt, injured, whatever, that team just completely falls. Maybe he should have been an MVP candidate. They hung around that Ram's game. They were winning, even near the end. But that was the only... I was trying to figure out, could there be a 4-8, 3-6, 3-7 type team? But all of them got wiped out this week. The Saints, Miami, the Bengals. I guess maybe Indianapolis would be the only one, a team with a losing record that's still hanging around, but that's it.

Anybody else? I'm with you. No, I'm trying to think. Tampa Bay.

The bears were another one. They're like, Oh, maybe the bear. No.

Yeah, everyone else is like six or six, and it makes sense that they are. I mean, I guess San Francisco, what were they? Five and Six? Or are they Five and Six now? I don't know. No, I think you're right. Nobody's coming from the depths. But New Orleans, I feel like with the coach, you have to see what the clogger did in the office, what he did earlier. You don't have to see a picture, but I I want to know before I bet on the Saints, what damage he did.

Maybe he should tweet that out. Yeah, he should. Maybe he should do Mexican food the night before or something.

The players walking into the stadium like, Cam Newton, no, he's dialed in. He's got the fedora and the multicolour mascot. It's the same thing for the clogger.

So Michael Penix was trending on Twitter today. Speaking of seeing things trending on Twitter and being able to guess the result was. Kirk Cousins, zero TDs, four picks, including a pick six. He was one away from the full DeLorean. He is now our interception leader at 13. I think your Darnal bets in Jeopardy. And he can't move. And they're six and six, and it feels like they should be two and 10 or three and nine. Here's my question. So they signed Cousins on March 11th, and the draft was six weeks later. Do you think they saw something in that six weeks that made them think they had to draft a QB?

What did they say? I don't know.

They're just soft-tossing at that point. They spent all that money on Cousins, and then they got some word between March 11th and near the end of the draft that, I know you paid for this guy, but did you know blank, or they're working out with them? I don't know. Because now I feel like Pennex, if you put Pennex on the team that we've been watching the last couple of weeks and he's moving around, I actually think they'd have a better chance to win.

Well, I'll tell you what, they may have seen, and it's a good point because by that point in March, they're really just throwing the ball around and stuff if they're even doing that. But out of all the terrible quarterback metrics you just read, the one that you didn't was one that was just invented the next gen stat. That miles per hour one? The miles per hour. Kirk Cousin must be like, What the fuck? There's another He did not throw over 36 miles an hour. Minimum 20 attempts, no one's ever done that in a freaking dome. No one's ever done that before.

I was trying to think, 36 miles an hour. Nobody could throw a... You couldn't throw a baseball pitch 36 miles an hour. It's basically impossible. That'd be hard. Almost too... If I'm going 36 miles an hour on a 35-mile-an-hour street, I'm probably getting tailgated.

Right. You get a ticket for going slow.

If I'm going 35 on the highway, I'm getting pulled over.

Yeah.

Not one time did he unleash it. So he's clearly not healthy. And he's been terrible for three straight games. He has been a shutdown in three games. Touchdown pass. He's been sacked seven times. He's six picks.

It's the easiest pick six in the league if you're throwing 30 miles an hour. I mean, the charges are 100, 187 yards.

That one he had in the end zone?

Yeah.

With the three guys where he lobed it up like he was trying to throw something on top of a Christmas tree. It became a contest for who was going to intercept it. He was so bad in that game. Honestly, they had no business losing that game, and he single-hand They've lost the game. That was my takeaway from that game. They had no business winning.

The Chargers had 187 total yards on offense. I commented that Cousins is throwing the ball like he's having a soft toss catch with his seven-year-old on a turkey day, like a turkey day game in in the backyard.

I think he's coming back from rotator cuff surgery. Right. Chargers had 10 first downs. No. I'm sorry, 10 first downs. Ten touch downs have been a lot. Ten first downs, 187 yards total. But McConkey had 117 yards receiving. So go figure that. Number 29, I didn't have sound for that game. I had that on the TV on the bottom left in my house. I don't know who number 29 is, but he picked off. He was all over the place. Who was number 29?

It's just some fan with a jersey. Some guy? Yeah. Just threw a jersey?

Yeah. But yeah, Atlanta had the ball for 36 minutes and somehow didn't win. I think they should start Pennex next week. To me, that's not even overreaction. It's like they're six and six. They still, because they beat Tampa twice, they still have the division in their destiny. And there's no way you can think Cousins is going to turn this around at this point. Why not play Pennex? I'm trying to think of where they play. You got to suck it up.

They're at Minnesota. To me, it's like the Russell Wilson thing. Oh, no. Hold on. They're at Minnesota. This is team.

That makes it worse.

I know. That's why we have to see it. We have to see it.

Next question. Will you ever trust the old starting QB coming off a tour in Achilles ever again after this season with Cousins and Rogers? Yes. Can we now never trust that again now?

I'm trying to think if there's an age, right?

How about 35 and up? Yeah, for sure. Sounds good.

Yeah, 35 and up is good. I'm out. I'm out on it for sure.

You know what I was thinking about? Remember Rodgers, when he tore his Achilles in week one last year, and then there was that stuff about how he might be able to come back?

That year.

Last year. We were making fun of it on the pod, and I was trying to think of some crazy thing to do if he actually came back because it was so ridiculous. He still hasn't been able to come back. It's 15 months later. It still sucks. He can't move.

He should have come back last year. That was ridiculous.

Yeah, he was coming back last year. He would have been just as good. He has not had a three. We're almost at the three-year anniversary of his last 300-yard game.

I love it.

It's a week from Friday. Hasn't won a play-off game in four years. Turns 41 tomorrow.

Can I do a couple here? From Ben Fouls? Yeah, please. Jets are the first team to be favorite in nine in the first twelve and end up three and nine or worse. Wow. Rodgers has had a chance to tie or take the lead five times in the fourth quarter, 0 for five. I wanted them to resign. I know we all had Seattle Well, so this wouldn't have been the game to do it. I want the Jets to have a little bit of a one, two game resurgence just so they sign them again.

So they're three and nine against the spread?

Three and nine on the year, right?

Are they three and nine against the spread, too, or like two and 10? I don't know. They covered those Thursdays. They've only won one game on a Sunday.

Right.

So three and nine against the spread. Jj is taking them all nine times. Bro, this is the game. Bro, enough. You made your jokes earlier on. That's enough. Jets today, 12 penalties in a pick six. Yeah. And the pick six was especially great because For people who didn't see the game, Rodgers had Wilson wide open on the play before in the end zone and missed him, and then through the pick six on the next play. Probably should have been pulled at that point if they're actually trying to win the game, but they're so scared of them for whatever reason. But see, they Seattle wins a game where in the first half, they gave up a kick-touchdown. They fumbled on a kick-off twice. They missed the P-A-T, and their punter was so hurt that they just kept cutting to him. And he just kept doing that thing where he just had his hand on his back. And the announcement is like, well, that doesn't seem good. It's like, yeah, it definitely doesn't. This guy is supposed to be the punner. Definitely not good that he's like me playing pickup at age 55. And Seattle wins anyway.

It was a ridiculous win. Their fans are miserable, even though they won because it was such a bad game for them. And the Jets were just somehow worse. And that was the legacy of that game.

I'm trying to think of why I know people hate me with the Roger stuff, but why would he even- Who hates it? I love it. He's on McAfee every week. And what's the point of even asking him about what he thinks about the future? What's your future going to be like? This What old actor? It's like you having an old actor on every week. Who's not been in movies for 25 years?

I feel like whoever you say is going to be probably super-insulted.

Is Sean Connery still alive?

I don't know. That's good. Sean Connery. Let's use him because he said- Sean Connery. You have him on and- Alec Baldwin. We could use him.

That's a good one. Yeah, Alec, would you do Gladiator 3? And he's like, Well, it's really up to the directors and the studio and stuff like that. I was like, Yeah, no shit. Yeah, it's not your call because you don't have it anymore.

I think his only chance, Belichick loves him. I think his only chance is if Belichick got the Vegas job, and it was like Belichick and Aaron Rodgers went to Vegas for a year, some team like that, where they didn't have a quarterback and Belichick just liked them, and then they would turn out each other in eight weeks. Yeah. That's how that would play.

That'd be fun. All right. That'd be for that. That'd be fun.

He's done, though. It happens. We've watched... Sure. You and I are old enough now that we've seen a lot of quarterbacks, hit the end. I'll never forget, one of my first ones to break my cherry with this was Dan Moreno, who I was terrified of for the entire '80s and for the first part of the '90s. '90s. And then by the time we got to the late '90s, and he had a torn Achilles, and his arm was fucked up, and he just wasn't good anymore. I remember betting against him and being like, Holy shit, I'm betting against Dan Moreno. This is like fucking touching the third rail in the subway. You're not supposed to... Just doing it and winning and being like, Oh, my God, I want to bet against Dan Moreno. But this is what happens to the old quarterback.

Dan Moreno and Jimmy Johnson was the pair, right? When Jimmy Johnson was coaching. Yeah, it was scary. But this happens with pitchers, too. I don't want to make excuses. But Rodgers is just... Now he's just looking out for a way to get out gracefully, right?

Yeah, it's fake injury is coming. It's fake injury time. But I was thinking if they did win this game, how annoying the Tuesday interview would have been. We were just like, We're just out there having fun. Football is fun. And what we were doing out there, you got all this tension, all this pressure. And we just went out there and we made like we were when we were kids.

He might still say that.

It was like, Yeah, that happened. But also, Seattle made 45 mistakes, special teams. That was also super fun. I got a shout out Sean Fentacy, who tweeted on September ninth, 2024. So I have this on the record. I think this jet season will be an epic disappointment. Everyone will be fired at its conclusion, and Aaron Rodgers will retire. Wow. September ninth. Pretty good.

Fantasy.

Good job by him. He was adamant. I got to say, the whole summer, he was adamant that this was going to end badly. All right, we're going to take one more break for the pod. So Ibrafluz got fired after that Thursday game. Why? And the reason I bring this up off the Jets. Who's the worst coach now? Because I said that Ibra Fluss was my favorite bad coach. I really enjoyed him. I really enjoyed the Thursday game, knowing that they'd probably fuck up that last minute, which they did, and watching things you don't get to normally see. Who's the guy now? Because I haven't narrowed down Antonio pierce, Coach Middle Seat.

Middle Seat's got to be in there.

Or the Jets guy who's pretty terrible. He's been one of the worst interim coaches we've had. The team's definitely worse. There's no way they'd be this bad with Salah.

Yeah, we can't count. I don't know if we can count. Can you count him? Can't count him? Yeah, they have to have the job more than four weeks, five weeks or so. Okay.

Well, he's bad.

Yeah.

Did you put anyone else in there?

Can't even say Seriani anymore.

Mayo is pretty close. You got to see him firsthand today against the Colts.

My guy is not lighting the world on fire.

You guys are coming back.

That's for sure. Is my guy... I don't know. Do you put him ahead of Miami? That's getting close, too.

Mcdaniel? Yeah. At least... Yeah, maybe.

I know we want to blame Tua, and it's fun to blame Tua, but he's got to try to figure out a way to win some of these games. He's got talent on that roster.

The Disk Jacky?

Yeah.

I would have said pierce before this week, but I actually thought the Raiders played pretty well against the Chiefs, and at least they're smart enough to realize that Brock Bowers is this generational tight-end. It's just throw him the ball every time. It's like Kelsey crossed with Grunk. Yeah, so Coach Middleseed is probably still the worst.

Yeah. Although I found myself feeling bad for him with that late hit, which was insane.

I'm glad you brought that up. That was worst quarterback hit since when?

Thaisman? No. I don't know, man. No.

There was a really bad Trent Green one a while ago, I remember. Oh, right. There was a bad Flacko one.

Yeah. What do we mean bad? Like Dirty? Dirty or because two of them got rocked.

Dirty cross with, Oh, my God, is he still alive? Because that was the first like, Oh, my God.

Right. But the penalty is offset, you understand?

Yeah. They got to figure that out. I've always made this joke with Warren Sapp, horse collar, Jerry Rice, and blew out every knee leg of it. That should have just been a 100-yard penalty. You get a countdown.

Yeah. Or people say that guy can't play until Lawrence plays again. But to hit the guy that retaliates just shoves the player over. It should be less. What is he supposed to do? Either he's a pussy for not defending his quarterback or he suffers the same punishment as the head hunter. It's like if you shot my dog and then I slapped you in the face and we both shared a jail cell.

It's offsetting.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I would never shoot your dog.

Thank you.

You know what it did lead to, other than a really scary moment, a great bra, a rare, we are immediately fighting NFL moment where it was just... It really felt like that was going to Keep going and going. It led to one of my favorite sentences in NFL discourse.

No love lost.

There's no place in the game for that. Oh, yeah.

There's no place.

No place in the game for that. Where are the places for that? Do we have places? Can I go on Google Earth? Where can I just hit a guy when he's not looking and knock him out in my forearm? Are there places?

The octagon, I guess, but not with pads. Pads and a helmet would be weird. I don't even think there's a place. There's no place. It happens every three weeks in the NFL, but there's no place for it.

It's not what we teach here. No place for that. That's a cousin of you hate to see that? Right. I hate to see that. Let's go to break. So Jacksonville is 2-10. So is Vegas, and so are the Giants. You know college football way more than me. Is there a franchise quarterback that you feel like could be on that, at least, bro, Drake May level?

I don't love him this year. I really don't. I mean, it's fun to say you have Shador Sanders, but I don't really think... I think this is not the year to go 2-15.

Who would you take Hunter?

Yeah, but I think they're going to have to make a decision on him if he's a defensive or offensive player. I think whoever draughts him is not going to have in mind that he's playing both ways, right?

If I'm him, I'd want to go to which position if I was one of the best in the league at, where do I make more money? And I think the answer is receiver, right? Sure. If you're a good receiver, you're making 30 to 35 million a year. And he could also just play defense. He could be the nickelback on third downs if they wanted to use him that way.

Can I say this? He's excellent. And believe me, I go nuts when O'Tani's people are like, Oh, he's not MVP. When he's pitching, when he's playing both ways, are you kidding me? There's nothing to compare it to. For sure, Hunter should be the Heisman winner. But I've never seen a coach try to win an award for a player more than Deion Sanders is. They're throwing to him on fourth and 31 when they're up 21 points. Just to pad stats. Oh, yeah. It's crazy. He's going to get it done.

Like LeBron going 29 and 16 in Utah tonight? Something like that, yeah. Utah is like, We just want to get Cooper flag. Like, knock yourself out, buddy. Yeah. Next question. Could Bryce Young win Comeback Player of the Year just from what he came back from in the same season?

Oh, well, again, we'd have to get the stipulations. It wasn't an injury?

Well, I suggest a new award, and maybe Russell Wilson could have qualified for this, too. The Austin Power's I Found My Mojo Award. And the nominated would basically be Russell Wilson and Bryce Young, right? Maybe Baker Mayfield? Yeah. Although he was good last year. Bryce Young looked like he was being bullied in school, and he lost his dog, and his parents got divorced in week five. When they cut him, he just looked so sad, your heart broke for him. It was like, Oh, Man, this guy's a bust. And now today, he was really good in that Tampa game. It's not like he has a shitload to work with. I thought his demeanor was the guy from Alabama. Walking around, his chest out, making plays, creating stuff. I'm glad that he's not a bust because we need more quarterbacks.

I'm with you. I'm torn. And I think you are, too, if you would be honest, because it's nice to have a team to bet against every week. It's safely But yeah, I want him to be good, right? But the bad teams always figure out an effed up way to lose, don't they?

They always- Well, today was one of the worst... How did you lose that game losses? Basically, if Hubbard doesn't fumbled, they'd probably Tampa handed it to them by getting that field goal, and then they came down.

But really, they're like, All right, you're not giving me much, Tampa, but we're still going to... It's like when your mom comes over, right? And all you have in the cupboard is goldfish crackers and Nutella, and she somehow whips up a Veal Parmajian. Yeah. It's like, Wait, how did you do that? It's like the bad team's find a way to lose.

That sounds delicious.

Yeah, it's pretty good.

Does your mom do that?

It's more fluff than Nutella, but yeah, she does.

I'll tell you this where Carolina reached. I looked Tampa all week. I thought about putting them in parlays and teases or just doing Carolina straight up, first half game. I mean, I'm sorry, Tampa, first half game. Stayed away.

All right.

Because I was like, Carolina has been good for four straight weeks here, and they make me nervous. I'm not going against them. Rightfully so, they were good again.

We crapped on Atlanta for good reason, but that is really tight now. Minus 145, Tampa 120 for that division.

You know what else is really tight? You almost won the Sal Steeler Special again. Oh, man. Bangle just had to take care of business. They had to put up 20 points in the second quarter. It looked like you were going to get a 21 to 20 type situation. Yeah, something in there. And then take it in the second half. That didn't work. Next week.

It's always going to happen eventually.

Well, do you want to do this NFC South? Do you even want to waste time on this?

I feel good about Tampa. I know they'll probably blow it, but you're going to look at Atlanta schedule and tell me it's easy, right? Giants.

Tampa's four and two on the road, and their two losses were fourth quarter losses to KC in Atlanta. In the Atlanta game, they should have won. I just like the way they're playing way more. You have that Tampa bet, which I backed out of 5 to one. They have to beat Atlanta by a game to win the division.

Because they lost both.

Your fear would be Pennex starting this week.

Yeah, I think so.

If you got the news like, Michael Pennex will start this week, you'd be like, Fuck.

Right. Tampa is good. They beat Detroit and they beat Philly. They're not going to make the playoffs in that garbage division.

Tampa has got Vegas at home, Chargers Dallas on the road, Carolina at home, New Orleans at home. It feels They could get to nine or 10 wins.

Yeah, three or four.

Atlanta's at Minnesota, at Vegas, Home Giants at Washington, Home Carolina.

The question for me is, could we get eight, nine like an 8-9 tie for that division.

Is that in play?

Yeah, sure. No one's going to go four and one the rest of the way. I'll take four or no. That'll be the first time a division has ever been won three years in a row with a losing record, ever.

Relegation. Maybe we got to start thinking about it. And yet somehow the NFC West is weirder and more annoying. Arizona just completely choked in Minnesota, and I can't believe we didn't talk about that yet. I had them. They still covered. I didn't expect to sweat it out when it was 19 to 6. They had the ball for 36 minutes. They had 406 yards. They had 25 first downs. Minnesota is one at eight on third down. The same Darnell had to orchestrate two shutdown drives to not even win the game because they also needed a field goal. Arizona, 10 penalties for 96 yards. That was one reason they lost. The other reason, and you and I vacillate on one team should do this or not. But watching in the moment, fourth and four, Arizona is up three. It's like three and a half minutes left, whatever it is. They're inside the 10. They kick the field goal to go up six. It felt like the wrong move because Minnesota had been going up and down the field on them. And watching it, hoping Arizona was going to at least lose by three and still cover my bet, I just wanted them to go for it because I felt like they could have closed the game out because I like the way they were moving the ball.

The nerd stats actually supported going forward on 4-4. It was like 88% you win the game. If you do it, 80% kick the field goal. So they kick the field goal, they go up six. There's There's been other times where I'm like, Just take the points, go up six. They're not going to come down and beat you. But you were watching. Did you feel like Minnesota was going to come down and score on them? Because I did.

Yeah, I thought it'd be close. They're going to get to the 30 or something, then it's going to be luck. But I almost think you ask the defense in that situation. Hey, how tired are you guys? Because I know you've been at it for almost three hours. Are you going to let Sam Darnold go up and down the field here?

Yeah, it's Sam Darnold. You guys realize it's Sam Darnold, right? Right.

Yeah. So I don't know. Is Minnesota the most boring, good team out there? I should have been due to that Arizona-Munnesota game. They had 75 yards at half, Minnesota. I'm like, Oh, they're probably going to win.

It's really unimpressive. I can't wait to bet against them in the playoffs. Arizona loses two incredibly winnable games in a row against good teams. Seattle last week, Minnesota this week, they're in a tie. The Rams had their fourth, I think their season is dead, moment of the season. They're down in the Saints game, and it's just like, Oh, of course, this is a five and twelve team. Why were we fooling ourselves? And then they pull that out.

Do you ever feel like we inspire a team through our text? Because we were on the ring of pregame text about how bad Stafford is, and each one of us is sending one stat worse than the other for Stafford for third down conversions and how many this and that. And then just like that, their offense came alive for two drives, and it was enough.

It doesn't seem like they can block even remotely where they were last year. That's one problem. But I don't know. I looked at all the schedules. San Francisco's at Chicago, Home Rams at Miami, home, Detroit at Arizona. And those Detroit games in week 17, week 18, there's a chance they weren't lines. We're not going to have anything to play for, but now we know they will. I think they're a cross-off.

I think they're a division that comes to week 18. Oh, the Niners are a cross-off?

I think Niners are a cross-off to me.

Yeah, I agree. I don't see it. But I think this is the only division that comes down to the final week. But in fact, we have the rematch Seattle and Arizona from two weeks ago. So that's as important as any other game, I think.

Seattle is plus 145, Arizona is plus 180, Ram's plus 290, and Niners 14 to one now. So Fando agrees with us. At At gunpoint, I like Arizona's last five the most for opponents. They're at Seattle, home pats, at Carolina, at the Rams, home San Francisco, who might have packed it in by that point. It feels like at least three more wins, but it's probably nine and eight, right? I don't think anyone gets to 10. It's not bad. Seattle have seven? Oh, yeah, Seattle, seven and Yeah, I got seven.

But that's the game, right? They play this week. I don't know if Arizona... You might as well just bet them this week, I think, if you're going to take them to win a division. And then if they need a game in three weeks or so.

Oh, that game's in Arizona. I fucked up. Arizona has got Seattle home, New England home next day.

Listen, it pays to come and last every year. Eventually, it pays off. When you got a schedule like this, where the last month is Kate.

Well, Seattle has at Arizona, home Green Bay, home Minnesota, at Chicago at the Rams. I don't know whether Seattle is roping me in, and I'm going to regret it, but I do think they can move the ball when they need to. If they really need to go 75 yards, I think they can do it. And I wouldn't say that about a lot of teams, but it's just really painful to watch them get to that point.

Their offense is different, it seems, every week, right? It should be that Metcalf is around 100 yards, and Kenneth Walker is either going to get two touch downs or three. Oh, no, Charbonne, what? The tight ends involved, but Metcalf is not open. It's very strange the way they do it.

Well, they definitely can't block.

No.

Are whatever games, Texans, Jags, Washington, Tennessee, and then Pats, Indy, which I had no idea how the Pats didn't score 30 points.

Right.

Did you see the clip of the two-point conversion that the pats were blindsided by Richardson QB draws in big moments? No idea that the Colts might try that. How would there be any evidence they would do that in the biggest play of the game? But Barmer got tackled by the guard and pulled backwards. Richardson went right over him. There's a great end zone angle of just the most obvious holding call of all time, and they didn't call it.

The false starts must drive you nuts because that was not even a close to being a thing under Belichick regime. You just never saw it.

You'd see one every two weeks. I was watching the Bosco versus What was the Championship game?

Oh, the football- Mattered. Mattered. Mattered. Yeah, Mattered.

Even in high school at that level, there's not false starts at holding every five plays. Somehow, the Patriots are professional team. They were saying, My dad was complaining after. My dad was upset that they lost. He was saying the Colts have this offensive line where four guys are new and backups. They've had a whole bunch of injuries. The Colts, nobody jumped off the whole game for them. It didn't feel like. The Pats just holding left and right. But it's a shame.

I think the Pats would kill Bosco. They'd win by at least 10, I think. They played Bosco.

I swear the Pats could have four more wins. They could totally be in this Denver. If they were actually well-coached, I really feel like they could be in the seventh seat, but maybe it's working out for the best. All right, it's time to guess the lines. It's brought to you by Workday. Get the whole band together with Workday pair of finance and HR on one platform for an epic performance. With Workday AI at the core, you'll make confident decisions faster than ever, and you'll drive flawless business and finance operations with an agile platform that constantly evolves to future proof your organization. Do you finance an HR Rockstar with Workday, visit workday. Com to learn more. What are the records?

Seven, five, and one. You have the lead. You have a three-game lead.

You're lingering this year.

Yeah, I'm not going... I think I did all right today. We'll see. We'll see.

Obviously, you cheated.

You steal these by half a point every time.

Well, this is an interesting week because it's week 14. It's the last fantasy week for any normal fantasy league, I would think. We have all these crazy buys.

Yeah, they used to get rid of the buys by Thanksgiving? Or am I imagining that?

This feels late, but I think they had to do it because of this Christmas game. I think they wanted those teams fresh because it's Baltimore, Houston. I guess Pittsburgh is that one of them. Baltimore, Houston, Indianapolis, New England, Washington. I mentioned that because there's some big starting QBs in that. A couple of good running backs, a couple of good receivers, and it's weird fantasy implications to lose that many teams. Anyway, Thursday night is an awesome game.

Really good.

Lynes, packers. It's in Detroit. I meant to talk about this earlier, but I guess we can talk about it now. I really do feel like it's sitting there for the packers now with all these injuries the Lynes have had on defense. You could feel it in the second half of that bears game. We always talk about passing the point of no return, and it feels like that Dallas defense is right on the edge of maybe too many injuries.

Dallas? Oh, Detroit.

Detroit. Yeah.

Dallas defense, too.

Dao is definitely. I think they passed the point. But if on the packers, I'm feeling really good.

Yeah. I actually think Ibra Fluss gave it to that. I think he was like, it was a sympathetic move. He was like, this will destroy too many money line parlays before the first helping of cranberries.

He's trying to heal America.

Exactly.

I can't. You know what? Surliness at the tables.

We're not calling a time out.

I'm going to take this time out right in the locker room.

You're right, though. I mean, they get you. I hear Alexander, Romeo Dobbs back, right? Like, Jordan Love was left for dead in Brazil. They were going to death his body in the rainforest, in the Amazon. But Tucker Kraft, all of a sudden, a top option, a tight in. Jacob's force, 15 missed tackles the other day, the other night. I think they're really good. This is a big fun game.

I've been on them the last couple of weeks with Million Dollar Picks and just on the pod because I felt like people were sleeping on them or looking for reasons not to think they were good. And even a couple of weeks ago, they only want because of this. Then last week against my, Oh, it was cold weather. It seems like there's always an excuse for them. I just think they're pretty talented. They have a ceiling that I'm not sure they've scratched yet, but they can run the ball, they can throw the ball, they can do explosive plays, they can create plays on defense. They're pretty well coached. They have a home field advantage. This will be a nice test. They're catching this lines team. They can definitely come in with some swagger. They played them well. I like it. I have Lions by four and a half. I put this in the Vegas zone.

All right, I get it. I said four. It's three and a half. Wow. I think they feel the same way about this lines defense as you do.

Yeah, it's tough because we know the don't get carried away one way or the other with these Thursday games.

Right. Well, they beat them on Thanksgiving last year.

Whatever happens, don't assume that that means that's going to happen in round two, round three, but it'll mean something.

They beat him in... What was that? It was beginning of November, right? Yeah. 24-14.

I feel like they're much different now. They beat him really well.

Yeah, but I think they're better. Jordan loves one of the best... I think he's the best quarterback getting blitz. They're really in sync.

Sunday Marquis, I could give you Bills at Rams or Card Seahawks. What do you think is the Marquis out of those two? I guess Bills-Rams. Okay. I had that, too. Bills at the Rams? I have the bills favored by two and a half.

Let me find this because they had it. Higher? I said three. It's four and a half.

Oh, wow. Yeah, you going to beat me this week.

Well, now you know how it's going, though.

Four and a half. That seems like a whiff too high.

Maybe a little bit. I mean, how much... The Rams were so unimpressive, but the Bills have such a lead now on their division. I know they're chasing the one, but you got to think that they can't get up for all these games.

Watchables. Cards home for the Seahawks. Rematch. We saw this two weeks ago. This feels like a 1.5 or if I've I've never seen it. Cards by one and a half.

That's what I said, because that's what it was a couple of weeks ago. It's two and a half. This is the one that flipped. It was Seattle, one and a half, then it was Arizona, then it flipped again. They really like Arizona.

Fairly watchable. It's got four. Vikings, Home for the Falcons. This immediately becomes a watchable if it's Michael Penix. You could argue it should be a watchable anyway. I had to put the 0.5 on this. Vikings by three and a half.

I get this one, too. I said five. It's four and a half.

Oh, come on. That's too high.

Cousins Ball. This is a fun one.

That's stupid.

How about this? Jj McCarthy against Penix, and then it's a national championship from last year. If McCarthy can get off his ass.

Supposed he got hurt again.

Yeah, I know. I think that was a setback.

Let me ask you this. If Penix becomes What's the starter on Tuesday, does this line move?

Oh, man. No, I think it's already high.

You don't think it moves toward the Falcons?

No, no. You got to see. Are you sure? Get in there. I'm not sure. I'm never sure about this. I'm 5, 7, 1.

I think it moves a point toward the Falcons. Really? A point? I think that's how bad Cousins was today. Is that point better?

Yeah, I do. No one's ever seen him throw in the pro game.

No one's ever seen him, but I know it's better than what I watched today.

Cousins will be so pissed if they take this game away from him.

Fairly watchables. Can't believe it. The Panthers have crawled out of the poopfecta.

Wow.

Through 500 yards of shit-smowing fowelness, the lakes they I can't imagine. Panthers and eagles. And I have the eagles favorite by 12 and a half.

Oh, you nailed it. Wait a minute. This doesn't make sense. How do you make this a Fairly Watchable and make the line 12 and a half, which is right? You know how it's a fairly watchable? I said 12.

You know why? Because this pricey-own thing is really fun. I like comeback stories. It looked like he was dead. And this seems like a classic eagles's take a dump in their fans freaking out game. It's at least a fairly watchable for an hour. I want to see where it goes. I'm there for it.

That'll be fun.

Stewards Browns in Pittsburgh. We saw this game 10 days ago, and they'll make this just high enough that I have to sweat it out when I'm teasing it, but not too high that I can't tease it. Stewards by eight and a half.

Oh, good. I get it. I said seven. It's only six and a half.

Oh, come on.

They're really about all these division games. This is a teaser game for me, and I'll be pissed if Tom one doesn't come through.

Can't get stopped by the Browns. What happens tomorrow if Denver beats the hell out of Cleveland? This goes up.

It'll go up, yeah. Short week going to Pittsburgh, an angry team that you beat 10 days ago, they can't. They're not sweeping anyone, the Browns.

49ers home for the bears. Fairly watchable for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the new coach Bump. One of my favorite things to bet on, Thomas Brown, very well-liked in the Chicago locker room. Respected. Eber Fluss, lost the locker room. They always tell us after the guy gets fired, Yeah, he lost the locker room last week. Where was that? We looked I was doing that two weeks ago for gambling. 49ers minus three over the bears.

Oh, no. I said five, and it's five and a half.

Oh, that's idiotic.

But McCaffery might be out. I don't know. I think people... I don't know. You're betting Chicago here? You're not going to bet Chicago.

That line's three points too high. Three? The 49ers are better than the bears. The 49ers, you just watched them. They stink.

Yeah.

They're five seven. They keep telling us that they're not a good team. Everybody's like, I don't know, 49ers.

Unless you're right about this new coach. I haven't seen the craps he's taken in the toilet situation. But other than that, I just feel like they just blow every game. They don't care.

Yeah, I need some Thomas Brown info. I want to find out more about him, his bathroom habits, drinking habits.

What did Brown do for us?

Yeah. Bears look like a great underdog pick. Does that line out for the underdog or for the money lines? They don't have the money lines yet, right? I didn't see it.

No. No, they don't have it for that one.

Damn. Okay. Poopfecta, speaking of the clogger. Saints at Giants, clogging it up. I think this is in the Vegas zone. I have Saints by four and a half at the Giants.

Yeah, you nailed it. I don't know why I said two. It's exactly four and a half. Derek Carr is Just miserable. I always forget. Always forget. And then it happens.

At the moment you pressure him for three plays in a row, he just turns into a different human being. Right. I think some people, hopefully not on the Ringer Sunday pregame show, will be talking themselves into the Giants' money line on Sunday.

No, not this one.

Does it feel like a JJ picked you? I don't know, bro. Yeah, maybe.

Bro, I'm listening to talk.

Dericro and Giants Stadium.

You listen to these fans talking in a local radio, they're dialed in. They're dialed in for the Saints.

The case for the Giants would be they always win one dumb game when there's four or five left that screws up their draft pick by three or four picks.

Right.

And this is definitely a candidate for that. Titans, Jags in Tennessee. I'm going to try not to watch one second in this game. I don't want this I don't want a multi-view. I don't want this anywhere. I don't want to see it on the red zone. Titans minus three over the Jags.

You get it. I don't know why I said one and a half. It's four and a half.

He lost by 23 today.

It's so high, that number. Although your boy, Mac Jones, missed some very, very easy throws. They could have won that game for sure, the Jags.

I saw some of the clips on the internet. I swear the first three months of his career, Mac Jones was good. I swear I would go to my grave saying that. I don't know what happened to him that he can no longer come even close to hitting wide open guys. But for three months, he could. That should scare you.

That should scare you in the jersey you're wearing.

No, it's different. Yeah, I'm wearing the jersey. I had this on for good luck today.

Why is it different? What would Kyle say is different?

You can't... Jake Mays, he's He's the best rookie quarterback we've ever had. It's not even close. He can do everything. Okay. Yeah, he's unbelievable.

The best rookie quarterback?

That we've ever had, yeah. Braided didn't play as a rookie. Yeah.

All right.

Dolphins Jets in Miami. Bro, we are going to take care of business in this game, bro.

He's going.

That's right. Jj is going.

He's going to be there.

Dolphins minus four and a half. Does that sound right?

No, I hit this exactly. Six and a half. Can you... If JJ has to be in the building when Aaron Rodgers beats the Dolphins. Good night.

What would you put on the announcement tomorrow, Tuesday, Aaron Rodgers has been waived by the New York Jets?

Oh, waived.

Released.

Yeah, but there's no consequence, right? I mean, there's a little bit of a hit, right?

They're just like, We're out. We're out of the Aaron Rodgers business. Good luck.

Yeah. Tuesday?

What are the odds? Would you say five to one?

You think they time it to happen during the McAfee interview?

No, that would be something else. Like 20 minutes before the McAfee interview, they're just like, You know what?

You're released. Yeah, I like it. I'd bet it. I'd bet it just for fun.

No, but what are the odds? What do you think the odds are, though? Because I don't think it's 10 to 1. I think it's in the 4 to 1, the 6 to 1 range. If you're booking the bet and you had to put odds down for people to bet, what would you put down for the odds?

10 to 1 is too high, but I always imagine him walking away from it. I don't know why. When you have a friend- Just the retirement, right before the Netflix thing comes out? Yeah. You have a couple like, Oh, man, he cheats on her all the time. Wait a minute. She left him and she didn't even know that he cheated? Wow. I feel like that's what it would be.

What couple do you know that does that? That sounds like a fun couple. Bucks Home for the Raiders is our last poop facta. Baker Mayfield could be seven and six. Mvp candidate. Put that two-inch-a-one odds down now. I have the Bucks by six and a half over the Raiders.

I hit this exactly. I swear in our friendship, seven.

Okay. You were confident heading into this.

They got to win that. Aren't there some teasers staring us in the face Some nice... We don't even have to do three timers.

I'm scared to put the Bucks in anything after to watch them today. Really?

He's your MVP. How's he going to lose to O'Neill, whatever.

We have to talk JJ out of not taking the Giants or the Jets as his underdog Man's best bet, whatever we call it. I have to beat these guys. We just can't allow them to do it. Sunday Night, Chief's Chargers in Kansas City. It's a Vegas zone if I've ever seen I'm going to say Chiefs by five and a half.

You went too high. I said three. It's three and a half.

Oh, wow. So everyone's just done with the Chiefs as a high favorite now. They're on to it. Okay. Yeah, they're on to it. All right, we're all done. This is Mahomes, though?

He doesn't know. They don't tell him. They don't tell him until the last minute. Well, the chargers have eight wins, right?

Yeah.

They could play like stifling defense. I don't know. I mean, at this point, the Chiefs are good for 22 points. So what's the other team that score?

I have some chargers action for the season that I'm excited to cash in on. They're one away from their Eight and a half was their over.

That was good.

Playoffs was, I think, pretty... I think it was at least plus 120, something like that. I have Harba, Coach of the Year, which is probably not going to win now.

What do you have to do?

Yeah, he has to go at least 12 and 5 to win that, right?

It's tough. You got too many other division winners like that. There are guys.

Monday night. What a hilarious game this is. Cincinnati at the Dallas Cowboys unflexed because it's on a Monday night. I don't know what team's been more disappointing. I have the Bingo's favorite, Bingo's minus one and a half.

Oh, wow. I thought this one you could have stolen wouldn't have mattered. I said three and a half. Six and a half is the number.

Come on.

Well, this is a tease, darling, right? Borrow against Rush. This is the season. Tis the season, Simmons, for the bangles.

It's over anyway. Even your crappy team could move the ball on them, though.

I know.

It's going to be fun. You could win this game. Somebody will take... That's That's an underdog money line bet.

7, 6, 1 on the year.

Here we go. You're almost tied. Jacobi's got to be fired up. Oh, yeah. Thanks again. Thanks again to Workday for sponsoring this segment. Be a finance and HR Rockstar with Workday to learn more. Visit workday. Com. One more break, and then we do Parent Corner. Parent Corner, Coming Off Thanksgiving, always a liability edition. What do you got? You could do your own kids. You could do your parents.

I don't They all drive me so nuts. Really, you know what? I'll do my kids. Here's what I was going to go with. I feel like I'm thankful that they all have a piece of me. It's not a great piece of me, but I see me and all of them. My oldest son, I told you last week, was leaving early Friday to go to the Oregon-Washten game. So yes, sports over everything. He's gone Friday after the meal. Good job. The wife's upset. The youngest kid, we go around the table on Thanksgiving, and it's a torturous process. It lasts 20 minutes, but we all say what we're thankful for. And my mother goes for eight minutes, and it's crazy. But when we got to my little one, Harris, he thanked the Mets. He thanked the Mets for an exciting September, and I like that. I was like, and only when he was prompted by my mother did he come around and say he was thankful for anyone in the family. So there's that. I love that. And then my My middle son, Jack, gets such a kick out of our friend Brad, our crazy friend Brad, who stayed with me.

I said, Brad, you can come to Thanksgiving. It might be too much for you. There's going to be 20 people, or you could stay with me the rest of the weekend, or you could do both, whatever. He's like, I'll be there Friday. So he comes out, and my son Jack just loves it. I mean, you know Brad. He's like, every noise Brad makes, he loves it. If I let the dog out, I have to close the door quickly because Brad is usually screaming. If there's a play on TV or if there's hip hurts or something, I don't want the neighbors to think there's a murder going on in the living room. So I'm like, come on. I'm like, waving the dog in. And my son loves it. My son loves it. Brad is like double fisting Mountain Dews at 9:00 AM. He's all over it. And this is when I knew, that's my boy. We ordered ribs Saturday night after watching football, and the order came and it was a little light. You could tell, damn it, I'm mad. And Jack gave up his ribs just so he could watch Brad eat. Just so he could watch it.

Wow, that's true love and affection. Yes, it's love and affection. But it's also like he's like, sneaking pictures, too, because you could have a twelve-pack of brillo pads and not get the barbecue sauce out of his beard for 10% of it. It's a real spectacle. And that's my boy. They all have terrible qualities in mind, but it adds up.

No family dysfunction, no shouting matches, nothing?

Not too much. My father started getting into politics, and he was shouted down. Luckily, that was good. How did that go for him? Yeah, that was great. They're like, No, no, no, nobody wants to hear it. My sister announced that she and my mother are in therapy to 20 strangers, so that was fun. But that's it. It was pretty light.

My daughter went back to school today, but she was here for a while. It's just you fall back into the old habits. But on Friday, Okay, day off, my wife wanted to go for a big long walk, and we'll just go, and maybe we'll stop and get a drink somewhere. So we walk, we walk, and we walk, and we walk, and we end up all the way in Beverly Hills. We decided to get a Bloody Mary. We're with her friend Krista. Then that leads to we go by and we stop by my mom's house, who, of course, has wine going. So there's some wine there. Then we're walking back. We're talking about the French fries at the Four Seasons, which has spawned David Chan to his BS fries at Major Domo. You never had the French fries? So we go there, two more drinks. So now we're like, I haven't had this many, but my wife and Krista are definitely going for it. There might have been a couple.

This is all on a walk?

This is all on a walk. We're doing that on a 25,000-step walk. This is what they drink and they walk it up. But getting a little tipsy. So my wife's trying to get my daughter to come out, and my daughter doesn't want to come out. So I'm like, Come Now we're going to be here. Still doesn't want to come out. Then at 4:00, we're walking back and it's like, Let's go to the Grove. We're walking through the Grove, text my daughter again, Meet us now. Then a half hour later, she text both of us like, Where is everybody? I've been alone all day. Sets my wife off. She's just like, We've invited her this whole day, and now she's mad that we're not home. I'm coming home and I'm going to talk to her. I'm like, Just don't. We get home at 6:00. My wife goes upstairs, and all of a sudden, they're just yelling at each other for 10 minutes. I'm sitting down, I'm like, Oh, my God. Really? We're going to do this? Then my wife comes back down. She's like, I'm leaving. I'm going out. I'm like, Where are you going? She's like, No, I'm going to walk.

There's this party over there. Friends leaves and goes, walks to somebody else's house, and she's just mad. Next morning, they wake up. Everything's fine. She goes in, Hey, sorry about yesterday, but I was like, Oh, yeah, it's I'm like, We're back. How did we run this back so quickly? You guys played all the hits. You crammed them all together. Well, that's great. You see, you never had it because you had the three sons. The mother-daughter energy is like nothing else. What was the fight? Honestly, I don't even really know what the fight was. My wife didn't really know the next day either. What I realized is with moms and daughters, it's like in hockey when it's like game four of a series and it's five, two. It's 10 minutes left and all of a sudden the enforcers are skating around and they're like, All right. And they just dropped the gloves and start going. That was what it was like. They just needed to drop the gloves and go get some punches in, hold each other, have the guy, have the teammate. So I was basically the teammate in the... Where do you call all the hockey players?

The bench?

Yeah, the bench. I don't know why I was blanking. I'm on the bench, tapping my stick like, Good brawl, guys. Good brawl. And then they hang out the rest of the weekend. We went to dinner last night. My wife drove her to the airport today. It's like, couldn't be better. They just had to drop the gloves.

Yeah, because like hockey at the end of the playoff series, everybody lines up and shakes hands, right?

That's what it is. I was saying to my wife, It's just weird that you guys have to do that. She's like, If we didn't do that, I think that would make me nervous.

Interesting.

I'm like, Okay, I guess that makes sense. Whatever weird world you're in. It just means we're communicating. All right.

Sure.

It is interesting. I guess that's what it means.

That the 25,000 steps Walk leads to a 12-step program. I don't know. There's something in there. I'm not sure.

Twenty-five thousand steps, seven drinks, and then twelve steps.

Step one, denial. Step 24,998, admittance.

I want to have the Sopranos intervention for her and Krista. Just have Pauly and Silvio and Tony. Pauley going, You make me sick. Chrissy, you make me sick.

Ms. Just a Type A personality. This is not about my personality.

Anyway, that's Perkorder. That's great. Great to have the family back. What do you got? What do you got to plug?

What do I got a lot through the Ringer with the great Tate Frazier against the Lads. We're going to go over the conference finals for college football. Ringer pregame show, which you were on. I'm 11 and 2 with my best bet, Simmons. I'm trying to make it a game here, but nobody wants to catch me. What are you going to do? Cut and Sal's winning weekend. Boomer Assayasin is a guest, and I have a documentary that I've produced on Yot Rock. It's on Max.

Oh, I heard that was really good.

No, it wasn't me. That was you and Daniel Kellson produced that, and I loved it.

It was his idea, apparently, in some form.

I loved it. I really did. Thank you. I'll tell you, my favorite is the Michael McDonald collaboration stuff with Kenny Loggins. By the way, the documentary says that Michael McDonald, not the same Michael McDonald, but coaches the Seahawks. So I didn't know that. Different one. A whole different guy. But no, that they did What A fool believes, which I know. And then talking about that they knew their next Well, they thought their next project would fail, and that was this is it. That was not a fail.

Yeah, they just wanted to bang out a song quickly so they could write something else.

Then Heart to Heart. I loved it. I really, really did.

Thanks, buddy.

It was fun. One thing I'll say, though, and I feel like this could be like, is Die Hard a Christmas movie, debacle. Total definitely influenced other Yot Rockers, but I don't consider Total Yot Rock.

Interesting. Is that weird? I think they're an essential because of Rosanna and Africa.

Yeah. You think those are... I mean, I don't know. I think Rosanna rock too much.

I think Africa is known as a Yot Rock staple, right? Really? I don't know. You wouldn't put Georgie Porgy in there as a staple?

Maybe. A lot of bands have one maybe song, but it was done so well, where people were like, You can't put your finger on what is your... You just know. You just know when you hear it.

Yeah, Lambert said it was like pornography where you just know that it's porn.

Exactly.

The weird ones for me are Hall and Oates, who I don't consider Yacht Rock, but I do think they have a couple of Yacht Rock songs. The Eagles are the same way. I don't think they're a Yacht Rock band. I would never say they did Yacht Rock, but I think one of these nights is a Yacht Rock song. There's a Venn diagram where when it crosses, you know and you just grab the song. Michael Jackson, Human Nature and Rock with You or Yacht Rock songs, but he's obviously not a Yacht Rock artist. Right. Lionel Richie, the Commodores, those guys had... They're more pop artists, but they definitely had songs that if you didn't know who sang them, they're Yacht Rock songs.

Did you find that most of them were... I know that was definitely... I don't want to ruin it, but people were annoyed to be put in that category, too, right?

For a while, yeah, because it became... It's like, Are you making fun of me? Are you on my side? I think that existed for a while, but now I think it's such a popular genre. Now I think the artists get it that it's good for them. It's good for their music. It's good for the Spotify. It's also for playlists. It's got its own serious station. It's so good. It's become its own genre. Right. Which is disco that happened, West Coast rap. There's certain genres that you know it when you hear it.

It's right up my alley. I recommend it to anyone. Anyone going on a 25,000 step walk, just pop in back.

Twenty-five thousand, twelve step far. Cus, pleasure as always. Good job by you.

Good job by you, buddy.

On the way, so I never said I don't have a few years with them. On the way, so I never said I don't have a few years with them. On the way, so I never said I don't have a few years with them. Cus. Pleasure as always. Good job by you. Good job by you, buddy.