Transcript of Saquon’s Big Night, a Vegas Savior Idea, Wobbly Washington, Surging Seattle, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

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And I said to myself, Jesus, they should have beaten the Rams last week. That might be the Rams are bad. And I bet on the Eagles. Interesting. Yeah.

That rarely works. So congratulations, right? When we start playing mind games and double guessing and triple guessing things. But God, they really did look good. I hate that this is... I hate the Giants that much more. Not that Saquon would have been good with them. He would have been ineffective and whatever. They don't have an offensive line or a quarterback that could help. But to let him go to the Eagles, and now, I don't know, man, they're going to be top two in the NFC, almost no doubt now.

Well, it seems like things have tilted too far with the running back position, where the contracts went down. Everyone talked about how replaceable they were. And then it We're at the point last summer or last spring when Derrick Henry and Saquon were both available. They were on bad teams. Their stock was down because of the quarterbacks, the coaching. They're just wasted on the teams that were on bad offensive lines. Then you grab those guys and put them on a different team and they look superhuman. I wonder if going forward now, we'll just know, in fantasy, in futures, in all this stuff, it's like, Oh, yeah, Derrick Henry was on a bad team last year. He should be on a He should be in a really good situation this year. I don't know why this was so hard to figure out.

Josh Jacobs also, right? To a lesser extent, not in the top two with those guys. But yeah, I know. And you need a good running back to go far in January. I wrong about all of it. But Bill, I don't know what to tell you. Melissa Starks talking about being the recipient of the push-push. I can't comment. I like this job, Mike. Come on.

Mike, thank God we're on a seven-second delay. Thank God. Best running back rankings. Are Saquon and Henry one and two?

Yeah.

I think if you're doing tandoms or running back core, Detroit is probably also in the conversation. So Taekwun and Henry, it's the Gibbs-Montcomery combo. And then I don't even think we can make them out Rushmore. I think those have been the best running backs whatever, and then it's like a drop off to whoever you'd want to have next. Miami might have a chance to get there because it feels like those guys are getting going now. But I think that's the top three, at least.

I want to put Ezequiel Elliott in there, but I just can't do it. Let's see who else would have been... Well, Macafre. You want to put Macafre, but now he's stuck on the bad team. I don't know how that happened.

Well, and he doesn't look good is the other issue, right? Yeah. Do you think he looks good?

No, I would never say that about another man. But no, I don't know. I don't know. That team is just falling apart, and they were so deep. And you would think they were like, bulletproof for this meltdown, but not the case. No way in hell they're making playoffs now.

Well, Henry and Barkley are one, two in rushing. Josh Jacobs is third, and Chuba Hubbard is fourth.

Right.

So good luck on your fantasy teams, everybody.

Yeah, I think Philly plays Baltimore next week. In terms of this Offensive Player of the Year award, I think it's going to be one next week, even though I think Barkley is a sizable favorite at this point.

He's sneaking into the MVP conversation. He won't win. Right. He's running back, so they're allowed to win, and we'll talk ourselves out of that in two weeks. So we can start with Eagles, Lyons, how this is a pretty amazing NFC, or we could just do the gambling angle of how Washington Absolutely murdered. A slew of three-team teases, money line parlays. Just, Oh, I'll throw Washington in. Literally nobody on Dallas is playing. Backup QB, they're missing five of their best seven guys. They need the win. I'll just put them in there. We haven't had one of those in a while, Sal, where it was just a mass murder, John Wayne Gacy style, going in the basement, just getting decapitated. Just brutal. Then what made it even worse was you're like, Oh, I can't believe I lost that game. Then somehow Washington comes back with this insane McLaren play that happens once a year, and they make it, and that fucking kicker is lining up. I'm like, I should be more nervous right now. Then I'm like, I am nervous. Then, of course, terrible snap. You knew once you saw the snap, he was going to hook it.

Not only did he hook it, he missed it by, I would say, 10 yards. Awful. Yeah. And they end up losing the tease anyway. Probably other than the Haile Mary, maybe the second biggest gambling moment of the year?

Yeah, I would think so. I would say so. But this one was a sloppy, sloppy, slopp fest from the start, right? Also, I don't know what's going on with the kickers. Were we just too spoiled in the first few weeks when everybody was making 59 and 61 yarders? And now it doesn't even seem like it's raining, but everybody's kicks are getting blocked or sailing far right on extra points.

But Fairbairn today from 28.

Oh, yeah. And people are like, well, they put more loft on it. If it's closer, these coaches have to get closer. I'm like, I don't think so. I don't know. I just don't know if anyone's blocking in practice But yeah, and I really wanted to be mad at my team. What is that McLaren bullshit? Are you kidding me? We can't lay a finger on him. And then when they missed the extra point, I'm like, Can't you just let me be mad at my team? Can you call a time out before the P.

A. T. So I could have been mad for three minutes?

Exactly. But the communists did a communist thing by not letting America cash on their three-team teaser. You're right.

I think Washington... I remember betting on Washington for the division at the height of the... Wow, it looks like Washington is going to actually be a really good time in this season. If the Halle Mary doesn't happen, they're a 500 team, and they are way worse. So 12 games now, They're way worse in the second six than they were in the first six. Questions about whether they're even a playoff team at this point.

I don't know if they get to 10.

Listen, it was a suspicious line. There's no question. The line was too high. It was priced for maniacs like us to make us think twice before we did a three-teamer with them. But there was just no way I was going to be nervous with Dallas. I texted you after the game. The weird thing about this game was Dallas played well. You moved the ball, you ran the ball. Cooper Rush was pretty good. He was throwing completions. I was nervous in the second quarter. I didn't like how it was going. The defense was really active. Washington couldn't run the ball at all. You played well enough that I actually had to I had to redo the play. I had them as a cross-off.

I don't know if you cross them off at this point. Oh, stop this, garbage. What are you talking about? I could see you smiling. That's a nice little smirch you have there.

No, it's not Michael Corleone in Godfather 3. It's Silvio as Michael Corleone. Just when I pulled the house out, they pulled me back in.

No, they're crossed the hell off. They got up for this game. Sal?

You're not crossed off yet. Sal? I could see.

You're nuts. You're absolutely nuts.

Four and seven. You're playing the Giants next week on Christmas. You're going to be five and seven. You beat Cynthia at home, and then you're at Carolina. You can be seven and seven in three weeks. I was hoping. Don't tell me you didn't look at this.

Have more decency. I looked at it a month ago. I know what's up against it. We have too many home games, first of all. We're going to get crushed. But I think we got up for this. And by the way, there's no way... I didn't predict this ahead of time. I was with the rest of the world. But we got up, wanted to show off for Dan Quinn. And just the same, we still needed two returns for touch downs where our guy went untouched to pull it off. So I don't know. I'm not buying this.

You needed more than that. The guy missed two PATs. Yeah, right. He missed two field goals. They got a pump blocked. We missed two goals. And they gave up two kickoff touch downs in the last five minutes of the game, which has to be a record.

And one of the kickoffs was mishandled at the one, and they still didn't get a finger on Turpin, who's very fast. But look, maybe it's Maybe we have to look at these division games like we did in college when we were like, No, division game. Take the underdog. I think every division game, except for yours, ended up one score today. That's not to say all the underdogss covered, but it was at Thursday night, too. Right. Competitive game. I think that was four or five out of six.

So Tennessee, seven and five. I mean, Washington, seven and five. They have Tennessee next week, bye week at New Orleans, home, Philly, home Atlanta at Dallas. There's a nine and eight in there. And you guys, you would have at Philly in week 17, which seems like a terrible game, but they might have everything locked up, and they might have the two seed locked up by then, and that game might not even matter for them. But you play Washington in week 18. And there's a scenario where you're getting back from Washington week 18. All the NFC West teams have just all beaten each other. They're all nine and eight. There's some nine and eight cluster fuck that you could sneak in. I know you're thinking this deep down. I know you are.

There's a scenario where I reach through the Zoom and strangle you right now. Because how do you... Packers in, right? Packers, eight, right? The Vikings have nine. They're in. And then you don't think- I'll give it to you.

First of all- I'll give you six play-off teams right now. Lions, Philly, Seattle, and Atlanta. Let's say those are four division winners. Minnesota, is in and Green Bay is in. So there's six.

Okay.

Washington is seven and five. Arizona is six and five. You're two behind them. The Rams are five and six. You're a game back from them. Niners are five and six, and Tampa is five and six. I'm not buying it. 98 could get this seven seed. You can't rule it out. You can't. When could Dak come back?

I'm rolling it out. He can come back as far as I'm concerned, when he could come back or when he can come back. He could be back. He could be back by the end of the year. I don't think so. Why are we talking about this? I love this. I really hate this.

I hate that you wrote me in. I love it because I like torturing you. You're going to be five and seven after Thanksgiving. We bet that you're playing the Giants.

We bet that you're playing the Giants. Atlanta is going to win some dumb shit-ass games, so they're going to get to nine wins, right? I don't know. Seattle, Arizona, someone stupid will get that seven seed. Don't worry. But I will say, if your point is the NFC is not scary at all, except for the two teams, and we can lock the lions and eagles in for the Championship game, I'm all ears. I would take odds on that right now. I don't like any other team.

Atlanta is going to win their division because they still have Vegas and the Giants and Carolina left.

I thought we bet the- Did you not bet Tampa? We said we were going to bet Tampa.

You didn't bet. I don't know if we ever did. Tampa is five and six.

We did say that.

But you play Tampa. You play Tampa in week 16.

I'll say this about Washington. Obviously, you have to watch them today. You should be less confident in them. But they are a completely different team that we fell in love with that punted twice in three weeks or something. Their offense is very... Are you going to get two touch downs out of that offense? You can't guarantee. If you look at their slate, it doesn't matter who they play. You can't guarantee that.

First half, Cliff Kingsbury, second half, he does this, right? That's his history. They can't run the ball. All right, be honest. You have to swear in your kid's life, all your Cowboys text threads you were on today, not one of them was like, Hey, what's the path for us to make the play? This wasn't discussed on the text thread.

It was, but in a joking way, I think. I even tweeted Super Bowl, and all that. That doesn't count.

Sareody says Dak is officially out for the season.

Yeah, I think the IRR puts him out.

What if you sign Daniel Jones tomorrow?

Well, I thought it'd be funny just to match him up against Cutlets, but I don't know. No, we're not getting to nine wins. We're not doing it. We will not do it.

Can't be ruled out, Sal.

You're crazy. I wanted to make fun of your team.

This should not be- Well, we're going to do that later. Don't worry. I have plenty of spots for that. Do you think the Ms. Pia by Washington canceled out the Hale Mary? Now we're back to even. It's like a zero-sum game.

I guess so, but they've been crappy for a couple of weeks now, right? So I don't know. Momentum-wise, it might kill them further, but They have not been good at all.

I'm going to read you three David Chang text on succession.

Let's hear it.

Washington fan David Chang. I quit this team. Then McLaurin, TD. I'm back, baby. I'm back. P-a-t. Fuck this game. Three in a row, just like in the span of a minute. That was a roller coaster ride of an awful loss, especially because everyone there is probably like, Oh, my God. Hale Mary a couple of weeks ago. Now this crazy McLaren play. We're going to win an OT. Here we go.

But Daniels isn't what he was, right? Even when he takes off, he looks slower. I don't even know if it's ribs with the original injury, or maybe it's just a long season. It's finally gotten to.

I think they can miss the playoffs because if you look at the five-loss teams, they have five losses. So does Arizona, so does Seattle. And There's one spot, well, Ram, Seattle, whatever. There's an NFC West title team, but then there's another spot for the wild card. Washington had this. They were seven and two. Now it's like, holy shit. Atlanta has five losses, Tampa, six losses. I like the way Tampa looked today. Tampa has finally gotten their team back. Evans played today. Cornerbacks are back, so they can't be ruled out either.

I don't like that you didn't bet them with me at five to one. We said it on... When you say you're going to bet something with a friend that's worse than then you don't do it. You know what I did? You know what I did? I was sleeping with his wife. No, you know what I did? I can't believe you didn't take it.

I was going to bet it with you, and then I remembered that we weren't allowed to bet on the NFC South in a positive way. It was on the shorting.

No, I know. But plus 4:50. I love Tampa schedule the rest of the way.

You know what I'm noticing? As always, I'm reading your facial cues. First 10 minutes of the pod. How many bets did you have washed in then? Like all of them?

Oh, not all of them. Probably 70, but not all of them.

How many times is Friday and Saturday games?

Ohio State, Notre Dame, some UFC that I didn't even get to see that was in China. Yeah, I mean, I had it all. I had it all. It's always worse when it's your team. It's like, I can't even get weirdly excited for my team because the other team is screaming.

You make fun of me for that.

I know.

Welcome to Who's Delivering, presented by Uber Eats, where we break down the NFL players who have delivered so far this season from household names to out-of-nowhere surprises. I think Saquan is the number one guy on this list because it's not just that he improved their running back situation and just makes them more dangerous when you see all their playmakers now, the Smithsert now. But the finishing ability of him, this team that you always felt like they would start out great, and then they would limp to the finish of these games. You never felt 100% on them. Now it just feels like they can extend leads. They're a game behind Detroit. The lines are like, We've won nine straight. How do we not have a bigger lead than this? I would say Barkley number one for me. What do you have?

I would say, Well, this is down the list a little bit, although in terms of next year for fantasy, Courtland Sutton, out of nowhere. 90 plus yards in three of his last five games. Touchdowns all over the place. Bo'nicks, Courtland Sutton, maybe a top five hookup. Which first-round wide receiver that everybody swung and missed on would you take over Courtland Sutton at this point? Not too many.

All those $30 to $40, DJ Moore, Jalen Waddle types. The other thing is he's made tough catches. He'll make a countdown catches in the corner with two guys on him, getting the feed in. Yeah, he's good. The other one I'd want to mention for this is Jackson Smith Najibba, the Seattle guy, he's 336 in the last three weeks. But it feels like every time they need a first down, anytime it's third and eight, third and eleven, third and seven, he's open somewhere, he's making a play, and he's the best receiver on that team, though. That was Who's Delivering, presented by Uber Eats, where you can get the best deals on game day food all season long. Uber Eats, the official on demand delivery partner of the NFL order. Now, taking a break for the podcast. So speaking of JSN, Seahawk 16, Cardinal 6. This game killed me.

Yeah, I think you had a lot more riding on this one. I could tell by our text.

I like the Cardinals a lot. The game came down to two terrible Kyler Murray plays. That was really… I mean, Gino threw a pick in the end zone, but you factor that in when you're taking the Seahawks. You know he's going to have one terrible pass. Kyler had been playing pretty well and pretty responsibly. The game flips in third quarter on this fourth and one where he rolls out, and then he has the guy. He just has him for a little five-yard flick pass and sails it right over his head. It's a pick six. They were on the Seattle side, and it was at least a 10-point swing. That was one. Then the other one, he just missed McBride when they were driving in the fourth quarter where if they had scored, they would have been able to get the ball potentially back with four minutes left. But here's where I landed, Sal. I don't know if I have... Who's your career leader later and, God damn it, why the hell did I bet on that guy, guys? Because I think Kyler is number one for me. He sucked me in nine different times where he's done this to me.

I always forget. It's like one of your friends who just has terrible taste in women and dates the same type of woman over and over again. You're like, why? Isn't that girl like Jenny from before? No, she's different. That's like, you're right.

Same thing.

I can't quit Kyla Murray just getting kicked in teeth by him.

Mine's Philip Rivers. Phil Rivers or Matt Ryan. I'm not even sure they're different people, actually. I think they might be the same. But it was those two. Currently, there's just so many. I couldn't even name one, but you're right, he was three for twelve. If he had a little better of a game, they would have won. In third of one. Yeah, three for twelve and third of downs. And still favored to win that division at plus 155. Still favored.

Sixteen pressures on him during the game by Seattle. Five sacks. Their defense, Rahim was calling on this on the Ringer Sunday pregame show today. He was saying how he thought Seattle's defense was coming on. They did get some guys back in the middle. The thing that shocked me, one of the reasons I really liked Arizona was that I thought they'd be able to run up the middle and really run on them, especially with Connor, physical type of team that Seattle's had a lot of trouble with this season. Connor had eight yards. They locked him down. Arizona scoring them only six points is crazy. That team has talent. But this was a must win.

That was the first time. This was a must win for Seattle, right? This would have been five in a row at home, and only the Cowboys do that. I'm not even sure, and it looks like Fandle is not sure either, that Seattle is back to their Marshawn Lynch days, really. They're not even favorite to win after taking this game.

The only team I'm willing to cross off mentally, I wouldn't cross them off with Penn, but maybe with Pencil, I think the Niners are just a wrap.

Oh, yeah.

I don't see it. We do this every year with at least one NFL team where we're past performance judging them, and we don't want to see what we're watching now. They've lost too many guys. They're not the same team. It wasn't even that they didn't have Purdy today. Their defense got violated. The packers ran it. Jacobs was the best guy in the field. They couldn't get their defense off the field. So even if Purdy had played or not, I don't think it would have changed the result.

Too many injuries. When McCafrey was hurt, they had good fillings. That was fine. They kept their heads above water. And then, all right, Ayuk is out. All right, it's all right. They still have, oh, well, Debo Samuel hasn't done anything. Then you convince yourself, Juan Jennings is great. Now it's like, wow, they have really nothing offensively if Kittle is going to play every other game. But the one thing I thought today is, didn't you feel like, didn't you feel like I'm not betting the packers because we haven't praised Kyle Shanaher in years. And this could be the where he puts it together. A nice game plan for Brandon Allen. No, not even close. It's over.

I had the packers for Million Dollar Picks, then Purdy got hurt and the line went up. I was like, this has all the makings of a stay away in real life. The line's up too high, Shannon. I wasn't going to bet it. And then the Washington game happened. I'm like, All right, Broncos with the packers. Let's go. Good for you. Just throwing teams together to try to win money back. But I still like this Packers team. I know even today, love wasn't great today. He was fine, but he missed. He had Watson. What do we make a Watson? Is he just... I was texting our fantasy guys, Danny, Danny, and Craig about it. I was just like, Is this guy, has he killed more fantasy teams in seasons than any rate? He's not like he's a marquee receiver. But this past day, he's wide open. He's running like a gazelle. He's beating two guys. It's right in his hands and he just muffs it, like the dude from the replacements. But anyway, that was Love's big, big, big, big, big breakdown that he didn't get. But I thought they looked pretty good.

Yeah, They did. And they stomped out whatever offense the 49ers had, so it didn't matter. And they had good field position most of the way. But, yeah, they're definitely a playoff team. They're definitely not as good as... I think we get accustomed, and we'll talk about the Vikings, but you think teams like Green Bay and Minnesota should crush other teams like the Lions do every week, and they don't until this week when Green Bay stepped up. But you know what? You did a smart thing because you just can't rely on bad quarterback. So it's a miracle that Levis won. It's a miracle that Cooper Rush won. And then you're like, All right, that's out of the way. This is filling out nicely. I'm going to go against Brandon Allen. And who else did you go against Minchou? That's a nice little couple of them.

That was one of my favorites all week. We had them a million dollar pitch, teased with Washington and Casey, two teams that almost lost. That should have just done the Broncos money line. I love the Broncos against the Raiders. So the packers are somehow eight and three. Yeah. It doesn't feel like an eight and three season, but it says that's their record. They're going to be no worse than a six seed. I think you want to be the six seed this year because that means you're either playing the NFC South, Atlanta or Tampa, or you're playing Seattle, Arizona. I'll be those two.

The seven plays the two, the six plays the three.

Three seats is going to be either NFC West or NFC South. Yeah, that's fine. They're right where they need to be. But then if you're the six seed, you also... Oh, do they reseed in the round two? They do. Yeah, this is the only sport they do. They have to play Detroit in a round two.

Yeah.

But maybe you want to be the five seed.

Well, we're thinking I'm not sure about it. Is Minnesota a favorite at Atlanta if that's a first-round match? I wish I can get into Minnesota. I can't bet them any weeks. They're a weird team. Like, Donald goes for 3-30, but Jefferson only has 27. I don't know.

He had seven at the end of the regulation.

Yeah, that's right.

Our seeds right now would be 27, Philly, Washington, 36, Seattle, Green Bay, 4, 5, Atlanta, Minnesota. Right. I think you're right. I think Minnesota is a two and a half point favorite. If we don't know what's going to happen the next five, six weeks. Seattle, Green Bay. See, go through Green Bay schedule the rest of the way. First of all, this Miami game, they have Thursday night. Now, actually, a week ago, I wouldn't have said this was that fun of a game. Now, I'm excited for it. That's the way two of them today, right? All of a sudden, that's a good game. Then they're at Detroit the next week. Then they're at Seattle. So this could go from eight and 3 to 8 and 6 in two and a half weeks. Then they play at Minnesota in week 17, too. I think you're right about the seven seed, having nine wins, which in that case, Green Bay doesn't have to worry about falling to seven.

No. They'll get to 10.

Plus, your team could potentially make it. Shut up. It's so stupid. But Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones leads the Cowboys.

Daniel Jones is Jerry Jones' illegitimate son, and we learn about it on Thanksgiving.

I can't believe it. How did they do that? Speaking of the Seahawks, really good interception title battle going on right now. We have a three-way tie at 11 with Gino and Mahomes and Love. And then your guy, Sam Darnold, your preseason pick when we did our Futures draft, you had Sam Darnold. What was it? Like 10 to 1?

I think so. Yeah, it was somewhere around that. He's at 10.

He's only one back.

He's got 10?

Somehow, Goff isn't in the top four. He had five picks in a game.

I Caleb Williams would be up there, too. Just shaking off the rookie rust. But he had four weeks where he didn't have a shutdown or an interception.

Did he have one today? What did he have? Actually, what did he do? Did he have a countdown today? He had- Oh, yeah. He had one of DJ Moore. You know why I know that? Because I bench DJ Moore. The Seahawks, they're at the Jets amid Could Aaron Rodgers be Cut? Rumors. If Aaron Rodgers got cut before December, before the Netflix thing came out, what would the odds have been on that in August? Aaron Rodgers will be healthy but cut before December. 100 to one, 50 to one? No. What would you have said?

No. 200 to one? No, he's a basket case. Five to one. Of course, that's a pop. Five to one. Yeah. Why not? Yeah. Or cut. I'd feel he walked away from the game. That's what I would think would happen. But I said enough about him, but I don't think they're planning it around any Netflix release at this point. Yeah, he's going to have the phantom injury, just like we all said, and that'll be that.

It's probably going to be this week against Seattle. It's a home Jets game. So that's Seattle's first game.

Gino Smith, back at the old team.

Then they're at Arizona, rematch. Home Green Bay, home, Minnesota, at Chicago, at the Rams. I went and looked at all the future bets I made, and I think I had the most bets on Seattle, which I might have made a mistake and accidentally bet on their over twice. Oh, really? I had them most on their over to make the playoffs and to win the division. I had the trifecta, and I thought it was dead two weeks ago.

I think that's the only division that's going to come down to week 18. I don't see how it doesn't at this point. I mean, these five and five teams, six and five, they're going to split everything the rest of the way, and it's going to be for positioning Final week, first week in January.

Our Sunday night, NBC week 18 game. What do they have? Seattle at the Rams or Arizona against San Francisco. It could be Seattle at the Rams. That feels very Sunday nightish.

You got to go with the quarterbacks. Yeah. I mean, if Purdy is still upright, then maybe it has a chance. But I think you're right. I think Seattle.

If the Rams are a game back.

Yeah. It all depends, right? They have to be playing for something.

So the Niners game, the Niners lose by 28. Mcafree is 11 for 31, 37 yards receiving, and has had one of the most disappointing fantasy seasons in a while, considering it came back. But there was some... Green Bay, Dobbs got a concussion, probably Noah Alexander, and they're playing Thursday on Thanksgiving. We'll see what happens with that.

Yeah, but the dolphins have a huge handicap in that they're going to be playing in something less than 72 degrees.

Oh, it's going to be freezing. Yeah, I can't wait to talk about that. It's going to be a fun one. Then San Francisco is at Buffalo, which could be their five and six. That could be it.

That's it anyway. Look at the rest of the even beyond that week. It's really bad.

You mentioned Vikings, bears. The Vikings played Detroit in week 18, and they're a game back. It's not inconceivable that that game would decide the one seed, but I watched these Vikings games, and I felt this way for a month. I'm sure you have, too. You're like, How are they doing this? Today, it looked like they blew the game because they didn't get the onside kick. But then Darnold was awesome in OT, and that was why they went. All of a sudden, Darnold really hit it up, and he's done this a couple of times. I can't tell. Do you think he's sucking us in like Flacko did last year, or this is more real?

He might a little bit, but just like you said, you were surprised that the packers had what, eight wins? I can't believe this team has nine wins. They struggle with all the teams at the Lions, and they're a game behind the Lions. Like you said, they struggled with all the teams that the Lions just obliterated, right? The Titans, the Jaguars, it all came down to this was a fourth-quarter game. And even this one, the bears. I had the bears plus three and a half. I know you don't like that, but I did have it at Three and a half. And it came down to the kick. I mean, you have to take away three points on the bear spread every week because of special teams. It's so bad. I've never seen a punt return to wave everybody off and then get hit by the punt himself in turnover.

They are.

They really...

The montage of them at the end of the season would be pretty great. Yeah, so on our Sunday pregame show, your wise wager, you're 10 and 2 now. You had the bears three and a half. It was three and at 7:57. We start the show at 8:00 Pacific Time. And at 8:10, the line went to three. I don't know if you moved the line or what happened.

I think I did move it. Take credit for it. I'm going to say I announced three and a half, and then you text like, This spread is three everywhere. The spread Nazi, Bill Simmons, weighs in. So I was like, What are we going to do? We have graphics everywhere. This is TV.

Spread Nazi.

I don't know. You make music documentaries. You don't understand sports where you have to put the graphics on as they're going, but that's how it is.

Hey, if you said it was three and a half at 7:57.

Thank you.

That's when you guys were starting the show. I just said it was a pretty lucky break.

It's my 7:57 bet. That's all. That's what I call it.

Pretty lucky break. So, Minnesota, they played three games in a row at Jacksonville, at Tennessee, at Chicago. And they won those games by five, by 10, and by three in overtime. In week nine, they beat the Colts, 21-13. In week five, they beat the Jets, 23:17. 17. And in week four, they won at Green Bay, 31-29. They have not had a blowout win since week three when they beat Houston. Their next three games are at home. Arizona, Atlanta, Chicago on a Monday night, all Super winnable at Seattle, home Green Bay, at Detroit to finish it. I don't know what their final record is going to be. It could be 14 and three.

Yeah, I know. Then they have all these one-score wins. I guess you can compare it to two years ago with Cousins when they had all the one-score wins, but they won the division, and they were a high seed right that year. This time, they're going to have to do it on the road. When are they going to surprise us? When they blow it or when they just march all the way to the Super Bowl?

I think this is a better team than that Cousins team.

Really?

Yeah, because the Aaron Jones piece, they have two good receivers. Hockinson finally came back. I feel like they can move the ball when they actually need to. And Darnold, I want to not believe it, but we've seen guys, the Gino Baker, there's a track record for this now. Worst case, they are probably Cace Keenum, who's also on the seventh.

I just can't explain how Jefferson has 20. He didn't get hurt, did he? Maybe I missed that.

He sat out. Well, there was one play in the second half. He had a 60-yard countdown. He tiptoed down the line and scored and got called back.

Call back.

All right. I think that was this big one. Okay. Chiefs Panthers is another one we have to talk about. Chiefs 37, Panthers 27. This was the other sweat it out part of the tease that was actually-3027. Hitting. Yeah. Actually hitting as the Washington game was.

Right.

I have two things on this one. One is that KC is just Milton Burling in every week now.

Yeah.

They're barely pulling it out of the zipper in these games. Then it's like, All right, you guys tied and got the two-point. Okay, now Mahomes is just like flying around. They're throwing to Kelsey. But it just feels like they're trying to get to January when you watch them. With that But as I said, Hopkins got going a little today. Worth. Apparently, they have Hollywood Brown coming back. Kelsey, this gray, always seems to make one big catch. They can run the ball. Their offense looks like it's in way better shape than it was a year ago. Are you any concerned with them yet? Because I don't have any.

Well, it's interesting because I'm both unimpressed with KC, but I'm also like you. I won't say Milton Burrell. I mean, we have plenty of dick jokes in this podcast, but I'll use a more PG 13. I think it's more... I think they were playing... It's like when you play horse with your seven-year-old son and you spot him, H-O-R-S. But then you don't want him to win. So you try, All right, I'm going to start doing lefty hook shots and everything because you can't ultimately let them win. I think that's what they did. But also what's going on? Mahomes had like 180 yards passing at half. They had 10 points in the first quarter. It looked like they could score 50. Can they just get back to that after a loss? Did they have to make you sweat it out like this?

Mahomes, we have one of the futures bets that we did when we did our future draft was Mahomes to get to 4,000 yards. Oh, he's not- It's going to be- No, it's going to be tight. Is it going to be close? I think he can do it. He's got to average... He's over 2,400 right now, so he's got to average, I don't know, like 2,60 a game the rest of the way. But I can't believe I'm sweating that out. Mahomes is going to play every Three games, 17 games, and that throw for 4,000 yards.

They're going to go 15 and 2, and he's going to be stuck at like 3,700 yards. But until Noah gray starts dating Olivia Rodrigo, I don't think the world is going to be right.

That'd be great. Or Sabrina Carpenter. That's one thing. The other thing is I thought Bryce Young was good in this game.

Yeah.

Especially in the second half. I thought there were plays where they... Apparently, he was 11 for 13 on blitzes. That was the stat I saw on the internet. But there were plays where you kept waiting for him to make a terrible Bryce Young pass or a tip play, but he had a lot of poise. He delivered on some third and longs.

Yeah, some gutty third down conversion.

Moved around, himself time. I don't remember a situation like this. We've seen a guy lose his mojo on a team where it seemed like it was over and then he went to another team. But not in the same season with the same team is pretty unusual.

It is bizarre. I think we both thought Andy Dalton, this was his team for the rest of the year. I don't know. It's not the same as what's going on with Richardson, although I don't even know what's going on with Richardson because they brought him back.

He was bad. He was bad. Not good. But tough matchup.

Yeah. No, I'm impressed with him. I mean, as long as he doesn't embarrass himself, and he's not even close to doing that, he's putting up points and staying close with Kansas City, put them in the seven seed. They're getting it before the Cowboys. Carolina. There we go.

The weird thing about this. So Dalton has the job and they're playing okay with him and it looks like he's... And they're talking about, Can you trade for Bryce Young? Are they going to wave him after?

Trade him to the You have to get in a chance before you go to overseas. Yeah.

Don gets in a car accident.

Right.

He's with his wife and all three of his kids, and they're driving home from the school pickup and they get in an accident. And it's like they're banged up, But nothing too bad. They weren't airlifted to the hospital or anything. But it was bad enough that he didn't play that week, right? So Young, they were like, What else are you doing? I guess we got to start Bryce Young, this guy whose confidence we just murdered. So the only reason he gets his job back is this bizarre our Fenderbender with Andy Dalton leaving his kid's school, and now he's going to have the job the rest of the way.

Why do you think it was Bryce Young? I see what you're saying. You think Bryce Young should be brought in for questioning? Interesting. I hadn't even considered that. Wow.

That's good. You said it. I did No, it was just I can't remember a weirder just saga than this. It is strange. If he don't has it, gets in a Fenderbender. He's like us driving her, you picking up Harrison. Yeah. And now he doesn't have his job anymore. Not since Tyrod Taylor getting stabbed by the team doctor. Has there been a weirder way for a guy to lose a job?

That franchise, we should pay more attention between that owner and everything else that goes on with that franchise. They're right up there. They're not like Clippers. They're not Donald Sterling Clippers yet, but they get there.

We'll take one more break for the podcast. Couple more games I wanted to hit. Titans, Texans. Titans beat the Texans. Texans I think, locked down in the Shakeys game now. I don't think there's any stopping them. It's a wrap now. They're seven and five. Everybody in the AFC wants to play them in round one. They're really singularly unimpressive. Will Levis, who, even when he's playing well, still has to throw a pick six to the other team. He can't help himself and fumble and somehow Tennessee wins anyway. You guys talked about this game a lot in the Sunday pregame. We all had them. It had a whiff to it.

Yeah. Well, first of all, there's always one AFC South game where you're like, No, the first-place team has to beat the fourth-place team, and it doesn't hold true. Secondly, the Titans, even though they had no business winning this, their defense is really good. By every metric, they're either first, second, or third. And passing, red zone, take a look at rushing. They held the Texans to 260 yards and 40 yards rushing. I don't know what's what with C. J. Stroud. I hope that he hasn't been figured out because everyone's like, Oh, there's enough tape on him. I'm like, No, I don't want to hear that. But three touch downs, five interceptions in the last five games. It'll be enough to win the AFC South. But my God, you're right. This is definitely the team you want to play.

Does it ever look like he has a ton of time?

Yeah.

When you watch, it always seems like he's backpedaling or he's under duress and just- Times bring it, though.

Yeah. He wasn't under duress against my Cowboys.

They missed the 28-yard field goal to tie the game. Then they did have the ball back near the end, and he pulled a Norlowski, and they ended up getting a safety. That was nice. They hung around. They gave up an 80-yard countdown on the fucking tight end. When does that ever happen? It was a weird one, but a classic AFC South camp. Then, Broncos, Raiders. The Vegas that now has seven straight losses. Bobby Bacala, Antonio pierce, was playing with his trains on the sidelines again as his team was trying to cover and somehow didn't. Broncos minus five and a half. Raiders, guy gets tackled on the one-yard line with 12 seconds left. They somehow don't score.

First and goal, 20 seconds left. What's the odds of the Raiders covering, do you think? They need to score first and goal, 20 seconds left, no time out. So they're going to pass, they're going to pass and maybe run.

You could QB sneak, you're probably getting it. But the funnier thing was that they're just running a non-two-minute drill Well, down 10, where everyone else usually kicks the field goal when it gets to the 30, so you have more time. They're taking their time, going down, trying to make plays. It honestly looked like he was just trying to cover. He had given up on winning the game.

The coach was, but Desmond Ritter is like, You know what? I'm not doing this. I'm not for the moral victories. I'll throw the fade out of the end zone, and then I'm going to get sacked, and that'll be that. I'm not even going to rush to the line.

So they're three quarterbacks, Minchou, O'Neill, and the Riddler, Desmond Riddler, the big three. 11 touch downs, 11 picks. Can we have a quarterback four or have more picks than touch downs this season?

It's in play. Oh, that'll be fun.

That's what we grew up with. We're like, Richard Todd would have 16 touch downs and 27 interceptions.

Yeah, that's right. Can I read you an unbelievable stat? Yeah. The Raiders have lost eight straight to rookie quarterbacks. So they are now- That's an actual stat? That's a stat, yeah. That's from ESPN. So they're like the enhancement talent. They're like the SD Jones now. If you want to make Bo Nicks look good, if you want to make Bo Nickel look good in the UFC, you'll put them up against what would be the Raiders of the UFC.

I think they're more Franky Williams.

Franky Williams? Got his ass kicked on Piper's Pit. Piper really destroyed that guy. Top three moment of me growing up, sadly.

So Vegas is He lost seven straight. Pretty much guaranteed a top three. This was in the ESPN, the summary of the game. It said, What we learned about the QB today. This is an actual paragraph. While Garner-Minchie threw a game turning third-quarter interception, parentheses, his 10th, and Aiden O'Neill, broken my thumb, is now eligible to come off IR, a short week means Minchou probably still starts at Kansas City unless his left shoulder injury is worse than expected. Desmond Ritter, anyone? Question He was stripsacked upon entering the game, denying the Raiders their best attempt to tie the game. This is a fucking shit show. It's what they'd have bad quarterbacks. Why can't these guys sign Daniel Jones? Because I guess they don't want to. They want to be bad, right?

That write-up It's like a game changer for Little League. It tries to be nice when they're like, Yeah, they made seven errors, but a mighty comeback, and they only ended up losing- But Bobby had a couple of strong swings.

Exactly.

He picked his nose, he ate some booger's, but then botched it in the bottom of the seven. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, of course they want to lose, but they have so much to do. I don't know what the... I don't think they'll ever be good. Why do I always bet them? Why am I still on this team all the time?

You had them to make the playoffs or just over?

To make the playoffs. I'm an idiot. That was my big swing and miss. I have 10 swings and misses.

Kyle, turn the TikTok camera.

Uh-oh.

So Vegas is going to have a top three pick. I would assume their coach, Bobby Bacala, is not going to... He's going to go back to be an uncle junior's driver after this season. They're going to need a coach. They need a quarterback. This has Shadr Sanders and Deion Sanders written all over it. All over it. And by the way, I'm here for it. The Vegas Riders with Deion and his son, I'm in. That would be great. The merch would be the number one merch. The Sanders, hard knocks, 10-year contract. Let's go. What are we waiting for?

I'm with you. Mark Davis is nothing like... People are saying Shador and Deion go to Dallas. Not going to happen because Mark Davis is nothing like Jerry. First of all, his hair is beautiful. It really is impeccable. Secondly, he doesn't care who gets the spotlight. He just wants to be Raiders. That is the perfect, perfect move for them, Shador and Deion.

Do it. People like Shador, too. Yeah. They talk about tough. He's athletic. He's a leader, brings a bunch of stuff to the table. Broncos, seven and five. Sean Payton, fist pumps at the end of the game. They have Cleveland next week, bye week, Indy at the chargers, at sincey. Then week 18, home KC in a game where I assume KC will have the one seed locked up. Who's their backup quarterback this year? The Chief Is it- Whoever it is, he's playing in week 18.

Yeah.

Why can't I think? Denver looks like a 10-win team. It's amazing. We talked about this in the Over-Under pod before the year, and they had a lot of the makings of a possible sneaky seven seed, but the defense looked so bad on paper. It didn't make sense.

Carson went, by the way, for the Chiefs, but I'm with you.

The Red Rocket.

Yeah. So he'll get one more shot at Cole. But I don't know. What do you think what their odds are to make the play-off? I was looking at this before we hopped on Denver.

Probably minus 130.

Oh, wow. You're good. It's minus 154. I thought it would be much higher. Aren't they going to be... To me, they're good. They're decent. They can move the ball. They play defense. Well coached. They're well coached. They're not going to embarrass you on national television. They have a Monday night game coming up. It's like The networks are happy to have them. I think this is a good team. They're not going to get to 10. I have to reorder my... I'm not sure who's going to beat them out at this point. Not the cults.

And I feel like I've watched a lot of Broncos because we get these late games on the West Coast, and there's only three or four games. I feel like I've seen a lot of their games. First of all, Nix has gotten... He's just night and day from that Jets game when he threw for 60 yards. It's like a different human being, but it's He's a badass. He talks shit. They made a replay today, and he's just screaming at the defense 11 of the other team. Now, granted, he's like a 30-year-old rookie. He's like Scott Bacula, Necessary Roughness. But I thought The way he carries himself, he doesn't carry himself like a rookie. He's gotten better week to week. I think he has real chemistry with Courtland Sutton, which you mentioned earlier. I don't know. I could see them in the playoffs. If they're in the playoffs, I wouldn't be like, Oh, I can't wait to bet against Denver. I think they're pretty frisky.

Well, this is a question. If you put the Chargers in, who else you're going to put in? You're going to put the Steelers in or the Ravens.

It's Chargers, Ravens or Steelers, and then Broncos.

So it's the bangles. They have to beat out the bangles, but the bangles are plus 350. They play the bangles, so that's going to be an interesting.

There's another team.

Who else? The Dolphins. What's it? The Colts. I think they go away this week, but we'll see.

You know I agree because it's cold weather, but if they can somehow pull off this Green Bay game, it gets pretty fun for them because they'd have the Jets at home, which is suddenly a way easier game than it looked like. When we had this written down before the season where we were talking about the Over Under, This looked like a death stretch. Where it went at Green Bay, home Jets at Houston, home San Francisco, at Cleveland, at the Jets. It was like, Oh, my God. It's brutal. Now, it's like both those Jets games. San Francisco, at Cleveland, none of those games are hard except this Green Bay game. All they have to do is get to 10 and seven.

Much like the Vikings, I still don't know how they're not doing this with their best player. Jefferson hasn't been lighting it up, and neither has Tyree kill. I mean, you got this John Smith. They should just trade paychecks at this point. Or maybe Tyree Kille needs to get arrested every week because he doesn't show up for these games. I don't know. I think they'll be stuck I had eight or nine wins, but I like this Denver team.

We'll see. If they lose this Green Bay game, it's going to be a lot. They'll basically have to sweep the rest of the way, I think, because they would be five and seven at that point. The good news for them is in the pregame show for NBC today, Jason Garrett was raving about Tua, who was really good today, and compared him to Magic Johnson, the way he was spreading the ball around. At that point, I don't know if MBC has this person on staff, but there probably should be one of those giant things that cops use to tease suspects. That's where somebody should just run on the set and just tease Garrett.

Yeah, well, but in his defense- And he would still be smiling if he was electrocuted by a taser.

He's like, That's great.

In his defense, he's an idiot. I think that's all you can really say. I forgot. There's that. There are four taser moments for Jason Garrett. When they're going over the highlights and Baker Mayfield's making fun of Tommy DeVito and doing the head thing, and Jason Garrett's like, How about a little helping a gabagool? He's laughing, laughing like a schoolgirl. I'm like, not that I'm offended because he made an Italian reference. I'm offended That he's the worst head coach of our generation, and he's talking at me through my television set. That's why I can't stand it.

I think he'd be offended that he said Gabagul correctly, and I didn't when I was half Italian.

Yeah, I know. I like you, and you are half Italian, so that's a difference.

Well, Miami looked good today, but they were playing the Patriots. I thought the Patriots were a live dog today, that the game would be close and that they'd be able to move the ball up and down the field. And if you, Kyle, watched the game with me and can attest, I was about as locked in as I've been in a while in a Pats game.

Well, they did move the ball down the field. Maybe not up and down.

It was down the field, the other direction. They had nine first half penalties. But the really special thing is six of the nine were pre-snapped. Snap, which is basically like we don't practice. You have pre-snap, it's like that's what if you're a high school team in the ninth grade left tackle, it keeps forgetting that it's on two instead of on three. It's six pre-snap One of these, they got... May got sacked four times, but was running for his life half the game. Two turnovers. One was May's fault, one wasn't. It got tipped. Mayo loses a challenge. Did you see this?

Yes. I know what you're going to say.

For the viewers, they throw to Waddle for 19 for a first down. And there's also a pass interference on the play. So it's a first down either way for the Dolphins. But it looks like the ball hits the ground. Mayo says, Fuck it, and challenges the catch to, I guess, save 14 yards. And then they said, No, it was a catch. So we lost our challenge on a play that would have been a first down anyway. For Dolphins, you stuff every week with this team that you just never see before. We had the same left tackle, had three pre-stab penalties in the first half.

This coach is really something else. I was like, you're exaggerating. But you saw his comment in the postgame presser. He said, Oh, there's not much I could do once they crossed the white line. It's like, oh, my God, you're not supposed to say that. You definitely didn't say that in the interview. Of course, Just like you said, they should be coached better, and then they wouldn't be having these pre-snap penalties. Well, there's not much. That's like you and I saying, well, why would we do a podcast? We'll let the players do the talking, and then we'll see what the records are at the end of the year. What the hell is he doing?

This team, it's so frustrating because I really think Drake's good. And they'll start every drive with run into the middle for one, or there'll be a false start, now it's first and 15, or it's a run play where the guy gets tackled four yards I've never seen a team have more second and 14, second and nine, second and 15, second and 12. And just over and over again, they're behind the eight ball. And then when they actually make a play, if they're driving, Drake throws a really nice play, Ramajer breaks a tackle, they get 20. No, that's coming back. Holding penalty. Just this team that he's saddled on with the worst coaches and the worst offensive line and wide receivers that can barely catch the ball. And part of me is wondering, are we even I've now reverted back to, should we just sit him for the rest of the season so he doesn't get hurt? Because it's this bad. But then you watch him and he'll have these series like he did with the Rams last week, where it's like, he might win this game by himself. So I don't know what to think.

Well, you should think that you're going to bet them over four and a half wins because you know they're going to surprise you a couple more times. They'll really end. This game today was so bad.

This game today on both sides, it just shouldn't be... Last week, they're just blitzing Stafford over and over again. It's like, Rule number one, don't blitz Stafford. They're just doing it the whole game. Today, they just seem completely blindsided by the disk jockey. Disk jockey was like, he was really spinning the tunes today. He was like, all right, yeah.

Miami Sound Machine. You got it going. Yeah. I don't know. Look, there are some coaches who just pull some bullshit and then they get away with it. Like, Siriani. I don't know. Like, Barkley is so good. They're going to win regardless of his nonsense. That crazy. Not to take it back to that game, but when he was like- End of the first half. Yeah. No, when that whole thing with third and 13 or fourth and three. Right. Then they bring them back to third and 13. He was like, No, no, no, no, no. But it worked.

No, no.

You already said, no, you can't come to Thanksgiving. Our table's full. You already RSVPed down. Just what are you doing? But he's going to survive that. This guy, Jared Mayo, can't. The talent's just not there.

See, I just don't think Kraft is going to pay for another coach. I think we're stuck with this guy next year. The thing I hate the most is he was such a tough player. He was a middle linebacker. He was just a badass. And then as a coach, he just... I tweeted today, I was joking that his book would be called Scared Football. He's just scared the whole game. It's like, Oh, it's fourth to one. We better punt. Even if they're going to go for it on a play, it's the most predictable play ever. When they run some trick play, it's the worst trick you've ever seen. It looks like they don't practice. I said this a few weeks ago, and I'm going to predict it again. I think it's going to be a really hard week for him in Boston because they were so poorly prepared and coached in the game today. I don't know how that's not the preeminent talking point of the week.

These guys, just because they're good at something, doesn't mean... Look at Jason Gareth, horrible, horrible coach. And then he goes on and is even a worse pregame commentator. So How could you even tell what's going to be?

Well, the problem is if they're not going to fire him this year, and then it's not going to really get better next year. Maybe they can change your offensive coordinator. Let's say they get Dayball. Let's say they sign Tee Higgins. They just do those two things. Dayball is the OC. T. Higgins is the wide receiver one. They get a left tackle in the draft. They're just noticeably better in a couple of ways. It's still not going to stop how unprepared the team looks. You I can't blame the players on that when you could just have guys jumping off sides, left and right. They had one play, I think it was Hooper or Henry, one of the tight ends. They had two penalties on the same play. So Dolphins was like, Oh, we get to choose. But one of them was... The tight end was... He was just a foot... His whole foot was over the line of scrimmage. He was basically like where the Dolphins were.

That's fine.

How are you lined up this way? You guys are professional football players. Miami didn't have a penalty for two hours.

I think you're really bad. Well, I don't know if you're wrong, because there's no way, there's no precedent to tell if Kraft will fire a coach because you had an unfireable coach for so long. But I don't think he's going to be like Jerry Jones, where he's just going to take shots every week and everyone's going to be like, What is wrong with this guy? He's just going to sit there and take it. He's used to winning, so he'll make a change.

Vrabel was a really good coach who had real ties to the Pats, and everybody always thought he would follow Belichick, and he's sitting there right now. And I think the fear is you don't get Vrabel, you do another Another year with Mayo, it's just as bad next year. And now Vrabel will get one of his other jobs. There's going to be eight jobs open. He'll get one of them. And then you missed out on this Vrabel chance. The only thing I had before we get to guess the lines is Bucks Giants. When you mentioned Tampa trying to steal the NFC South, here's the thing against it. Atlanta beat Tampa twice already, and they have a one-game lead. So they're basically two ahead of Tampa. Think about it.

So But look at that. Can't they go five and one?

Look at that. Do you want to do the schedule? Do it. Tampa is at Carolina, home Vegas, at the Chargers, at Dallas, home Carolina, home New Orleans. Yeah. That could be... They could get to 10 wins.

Four and two. I know everybody slips up, but with this offense getting healthy, I think that's four and two or five and one.

Do I have to worry about my NFC South bet? The division has 18 wins with six weeks left.

But did you figure out how many How many automatic wins there are? How many division games?

There's a couple where they play each other. But we have that. We had two because one of the ones we did was the NFC East against the NFC South. The NFC East has a three-game lead over them, but the Giants probably are winning again.

Right.

They play a couple of NFC South teams.

Three weeks ago, it was looking great. It didn't look like the Saints or the Panthers would win another game, and the two receivers went down for Tampa. Now, you're going to have to do a little work, I think.

Let's take a break for the pod. Week 13, Guest Alliance. I got sad today because once it's Thanksgiving, it's almost the end of the regular season in the playoffs. What are we 60% done with the season now?

Yeah. So this is 12 out of 20.

12 out of 20. I guess 12 out of 21. Yeah, we're like 58% done with the season.

Well, I know. It gets both ways, right? I'm I like... Well, first of all, Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday, but then... Because it's just football, football, football, and food. But I also can... You and I will be able to memorize most of the team's remainder of their schedule, right? But that's also Very sad because that only means there's a few left.

I think saying Thanksgiving's your favorite holiday is not a controversial opinion.

Is Thanksgiving your favorite day?

I think is a better conversation. So your single favorite day.

Yeah, I can't think of what will... Yeah, nothing compares.

Except when the Cowboys allows it. I think it's my favorite day, too.

Yeah. It's great. You don't have to worry about your team losing, though, right? You just got bets and food.

That's fun. Well, you have... Cowboys Giants is our second game. It's only the fourth time since the merger that these two teams have played on Thanksgiving, where they both have losing records.

I believe it.

Choke on your turketer in that stat.

I'm setting my alarm for a nap for that game. That's for sure.

What's our Guest Aligns record? 7-4?

7-4-1? I think you're better than that. Yeah, 7-4 Four and one.

You beat me last. You're still in it.

Go over how I can make the playoffs at four, seven, and one. I want to hear it.

Signed Daniel Jones. Stop you with your pics. Thanksgiving. Lion's bears.

Daniel Jones is my son. Go ahead.

Lion's Beers in Detroit. Here's my thinking on this. I think they had to jack this up so that you couldn't tease the lions with anyone else. Even though this probably should be lions seven and a half, I think it's Thanksgiving and everybody loves turkey and throwing somebody in a tease on Thanksgiving. I think it has to be lions by nine.

Okay, good. I get this. I I said 10. They're not screwing around with the lions. It's 10 and a half.

That's too high.

Well, hear me out. Not that I have to convince you the lions are going to win this game, but I feel like this is the season where they get the monkey off their back in many ways. Like Dan Campbell beat the crap out of the Cowboys for all that nonsense that went down last year in the regular season, right? The 49ers are gone, so they don't even have to worry about them and what happened in the NFC Championship. They do have that whole, oh, my God, we were embarrassed on Thanksgiving last year by the I think they're going to be up for this. I don't think that happens again.

I saw a great Dan Campbell postgame speech. As I've been pushing, I don't know why this isn't just a Twitter feed of all the postgame speeches and all the locker rooms. That's all it is. It's just game ball speeches. He gave game balls to four people and then was talking about how they were road warriors. Did you see this?

Yes.

He was like, When I got here, we owe 11:00 and 1:00 and all of our road games. Since then, we're 16:00 and 5:00. All you guys in this locker room had something to do with that. He's great. He gives a great postgame. Probably number one postgame speaker right now.

Wouldn't you rather see the feed of the losing coaches give their speeches?

Like Mayo?

Yeah. How great would that be?

Mayo like, Hey, six pre-stab penalties in the first half. We got to work on that, guys.

That's on me. Oh, that's on you. That's on you, guys. No, nothing's on me. It's definitely on you. Yeah.

Guys, when we're slapping the ball, it's either it's on one or it's on two or it's on three. You just remember when you line up, it's going to be two this time. Then you move when it's two.

It's just all numbers. We'll take off till Wednesday. We'll figure it out.

Unbelievable. We're going to have him for another year. Cowboys Giants in Dallas. I I can't believe I'm doing this, but I think it's Cowboys by 7.

Oh, wow.

I said three and a half.

I said three and a half. It's four and a half. Yeah. Vegas, Fandle, Vegas It wasn't like Dallas this year.

They just put that in the Vegas zone, huh? I don't know if you read anything about the Giants game today, but apparently the Giants were like this console after the game. They were all saying after they waved Daniel Jones, The guy's our best quarterback. Why are we waving them? And then they're not even playing the second best quarterback. They're playing the third best quarterback. This is why you're not supposed to tank in the NFL because this is this violent sport that guys have to commit to at a certain physicality level. And when you have your franchise base. Like, Yeah, we're done. How do you expect the team to respond to that? The coach is on his way out, the GM is on his way out, the quarterback is not going to be there. I don't understand. Why would the Giants beat Dallas and Dallas?

I think we should just go with division game. Underdog is always a spot to win here. I really have no idea. I don't know. Tommy DeVito. Yeah, but it was like neighbors going off on Dable. It was like, Ask Dable why I didn't get a reception or target until the third quarter or whatever it was. But yeah, they're a mess. But Daniel Jones is probably like, I see this guy get sacked. I'm glad it's not me. Just get me on a playoff team as a backup.

There's one silver lining to this game, which is one of the worst quarterback matchups we've ever had on Thanksgiving.

Yeah.

Although Cooper Rush wasn't bad today. Tom braided announced in this game.

Oh, wow.

That's right. Could this be the Tom braided heel turn game? Could this be his Walter White, Breaking Bad, Getting Pushed Over the Edge, Shaving His Head, performance, where the quarterback play is so bad and he's so mad that he's working on Thanksgiving, he finally becomes Tom braided, TV analyst, and he's just ripping guys and actually telling us what they're doing wrong. Could it happen?

Starts beating the shit out of an intern with a turkey leg that's put propped up on the set. I'll show you jiu-jitsu. Do it, Tom. Why does he have to lose? Yeah, he owns a team. It's all right.

Shave your head. Packers Dolphins is our third game. It's a great game. It's in Green Bay, and it's going to be freezing cold. Cold. You're going to see over the next four days a lot of stats about how bad the Dolphins are when it's super cold, how bad Tua is when it's super cold. I can't wait to bet on the packers in this game, Sal. It's just spoiler alert. I'm going to say packers by four.

Yeah, that's what I said. It is three and a half. We split that, man. All right, so what's the tease? You're doing a money line parlay. Is it just lions, packers, and you'll pay a little juice?

Should we do this for Fando I'll tweet this out. Go ahead. I like Fando. So we could do...

You can make it simple. I mean, forget that middle game.

Packers money line with...

It's minus 120.

With Detroit money line? That's minus 120. That's minus 120.

Oh, they're going to make it that easy.

That seems so easy. That's all we have to do. Packers.

You'll win that first one by 9:50 AM, and then you take a nap, and then take some gummies and you take a nap, Phil, and you miss that giant cowboy game, and you come back and watch Lambo, and they're going to win.

I'm all in on that tease. I feel like we have to grab that right now. I know I always say that, but that minus 120 is not going to be there much longer.

Yeah, let's not screw it over on there's anything. That's it.

Then Thanksgiving, so you get packers, dolphins. Then when it hits midnight on the East Coast, you get to my Yot Rock documentary.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That'd be fun.

It's great. You'll love it. There's no way you're going to love it. Of course, I'm going to love it.

Come on. Kidding me?

Sunday Marquis.

Well, hold on. Are you going to do Friday? Oh, you didn't know.

Which one's the Friday game?

It was a Friday game. Raiders Chiefs. Raiders Chiefs. We can't start over because we're live.

I put that in the Fairly Watchables. No, I'm not going to change my guess. I forgot about the Black Friday game. It's funny because they sent me a T-shirt of the studio crew with my face in the middle of it. I should have worn it.

Really?

It looks like I'm in the crew. It looks like I'm ready to have an argument with Sherman.

I love it.

All right, so Kansas City home for the Raiders.

It's probably going to be Ritter, right? Because you read that blurb to us. It seemed like it was going to be Ritter. Might be It's inspiring.

I have the Chiefs by 11:30.

Oh, you get it. I had 11. It's 13:30.

Oh, boy.

Now, listen, if you want to wait just a few hours more and do Lyons, Packers, Chiefs, that gets you in the plus, 103.

But that's another Milton Burrell situation for the Chiefs. It's Black Friday. Trust them.

They're not, Lou. They lost to them on Christmas. They can't even keep listening to the radio.

But even if you do a 10-point... Oh, so you can do a 13-point piece. No, just money line.

Just do the money line. Just Lyon's money line, Packers' money line, Chief's money line.

What is that going to say?

Plus 103.

That's pretty good.

There's so much college.

Aren't the Chiefs going to fuck us one of these next four weeks like they did that time with the Raiders a year ago?

Yeah, but it's the Raiders.

Where Mahomes has the game, he fumbles, he throws a pick six, he gets hurt, he comes back in. They haven't had that game yet.

They hate this team, though, right? With the cigars and everything else.

Yeah, they do. The Raiders talk shit. Sunday's marquee game is the Ravens and the eagles in Baltimore. It's a wonderful sporting event. The Ravens, for all we know, could be seven and five heading into this game.

Right.

And sweating out a playoff spot. I personally think they're going to win tomorrow. I don't know. Where do you stand on that, Chargers? I do, too.

Yeah, I have them money lined them, so that's probably going to be bad for them. Well, Big Brother wins, right? Big Big Brother always wins.

Ravens, I have minus three against the Eagles.

It is... You got it exactly. I said two and a half. Now we're tied.

Okay. It's a good game.

That's it. Barkley Henry, offensive player of the year. This is it.

Trades of the Year. Watchables, three of them. Bengals, Stealers in Cincinnati. Bengals now in We Have To Win Every Game territory. Stealers. I was at the... We did a premiere for the Yacht Rock Doc on Thursday night, so I had the Stealers game on my phone.

Beautiful, wasn't it?

I couldn't watch it during the thing. I also really wanted to watch the thing, but I glanced at it a couple of times, and it was 18:06.

So pretty.

I didn't look for 10, 12 minutes. Looked back down, it was 1918 Stealers. I was like, Oh. Looked back again, it was 24-19 final, and I was like, I can't wait to find out what happened in this game. That game was just fully bonkers.

It's a fun Jameis game. I feel like Jameis might be the quarterback who doesn't have a chance that I root for the most. It was like 0 for 9 and third down and 4 for 4 with 4 downs. It was just perfect for him, and it looked great. Nfl Films did the thing, him running in slow motion. I'm like, Oh, this is why I love football.

I don't even care. I can't believe. Of all the shitty Thursday night games we have to watch, that game, you know how much I love. I know everyone loves snow, but I really love snow. I'm a 10 out of 10 for Loving Snow. I love seeing it on the TV, the flake sticking to Tomlin's beard. Of all the games, why doesn't it have to be the game when I was at a documentary and premiere?

I'm a 10 out of 10 for Loving Snow. Sounds like something you'd hear on Yot Rock, so that's perfect.

I think that was the song. I think Steven Bishop wrote that one.

Yeah, was that Bishop? Yeah. Is that Steely I don't know.

I'm a 10 out of 10 for love and snow.

I have bangles by one and a half against Steelers. I get this. I said two, it is two and a half.

When was the last time a 4-7 team was favored by two and a half against an 8-3 team that did not have any injuries?

Probably a long time ago. Yeah, pretty rare. Are they going to outslug the bangles, though. That's it. Because you know, Burrows dialed in, right? So even the Stealers defense, as much trouble as they give them, should score 26, 27 points. I think it's enough. And everything's a must win now for Santee. That's why they're fine.

I think the Stealers are good. And I think they played a Thursday night game, right? Four days after this emotional win over Baltimore. It snowed like a motherfucker. It was a stupid game that had a lot of dumb momentum him twist, and I think you throw it out.

He also got outcoached a little bit. And he's allowed to, right? He did. You can get an outcoach once a year, and now it's that game. He got outcoached. Yeah. It's always a tough division battle.

Falcons chargers. It's in Atlanta. Probably not betting on this game. I hit it exactly. I do. I'd probably be the chargers in the tease, but I'm going to say Falcons by one and a half.

That's why you did it. Well, You're right and you're wrong. I said chargers by one and a half, and it is chargers by one and a half. But the one and a half always flip. They always flip by Thursday.

It's chargers by one and a half.

Chargers are favored, but-Oh, my God. If we talk Thursday, it'll be Falcons, and then it might flip again. I mean, that's what happened with Arizona and Seattle. It happened with so many of these. Jets, Texans, same thing.

So you think there's a one and a half conspiracy?

There is. It's the tic-tac terrorists out there moving these lines.

It's the Black Eye conspiracy with celebrities. And celebrities only have Black Eyes on their left eye. It's some Illuminati thing. Exactly. So Leno fell down the hill and it's like, Left eye was black. Shit's going on. I don't know how they come up with this stuff. That's true. It's all true. I'm going to have a black eye on my left eye in two days. I was like, We'll show you. There was a Reddit person who broke down that Leno thing really well.

But He ended up, he almost definitely is telling the truth, right?

Yeah, it seems like he's telling the truth.

He was playing- Yeah, that sucks.

He was playing at some weird club in Germanstown, Pennsylvania. There was the hotel. Everyone was like, Why is he staying at that hotel? He's a billionaire. But it was the nearest hotel to where that gig was.

It's also cheap. It's also very cheap.

And he's also super cheap. He spends all his money on cars. He was trying to walk to some restaurant that he tried to walk down a hill to cut the distance so he didn't have to go around. And he's 74. It's the thing like our dads would have done. I'd be like, Sal, what happened to your dad? He's like, he fell. It's just what happens when you're mid-70s. So I think it adds up, but I still like the conspiracy stuff. I enjoyed all of it.

Either way, the irony is great that he didn't have a car. Guys got like 75 funny cars and hangers all over California.

The more confusing thing to me is he made... I mean, he was making 30 million a year in the Tonight Show for 20 years.

Yeah.

And when he was doing stand-up gigs and making crazy money on those, why does he have to go to the middle of somewhere in Pennsylvania to do stand-up?

Yeah. And he's indignant when they ask him about it. Why don't you just cancel the show? The show must go on. It's like, All right, you're 103. You could sit one hour.

I'm at the Red Roof in on Big Bear Mountain on November 29. It's like, What? It's a place 74. Why didn't you retire? Go sit on a beach.

Right.

Vikings are home for the Cardinals.

That's a good one.

I'll never trust Kyler Murray again until about three weeks from now. I have Vikings minus three against Cardinals.

I had you out here. I had three and a half, and that's what it is.

That's too high. That'll be three.

You're going to throw that? You're going to throw Kyla in a teaser?

No, I'm not going to hear this game. Fairly Watchables. Colts at the Pats. I just think the Richardson May makes this a fairly watchable, not a poop factor.

Sure.

Colts are going to be favored. I think it's Colts by one and a half.

I had two. I think it's two and a half now. That's fair.

It's going to be a loss. I don't think the pats are getting a five wins. I think to win that bet.

When did you make that bet?

Before the year. That was my lock of the year. I had the pats under four and a half wins with a whole bunch of stuff. You could do it again. But I didn't know Jake May was going to be... I wouldn't have made that bet if I knew Jake was going to be good. Well, you could sell it if you want because it's still four and a half.

The under is minus 144.

Is that what it is on Fandr?

It's still four and a half.

What's Carolina? Just out of curiosity. That's four and a half, too.

Yeah, some of these. There's a Cleveland, I think, is also four and a half.

Your team's six and a half.

I know. You have them winning 10.

Sure. I said nine. Denver is nine and a half now. Jesus. What's Miami? Wow, Miami is only seven and a half. They're five and six.

The over is minus 200, though, right? Yeah. It's a big juice.

What's Miami to make the Playoffs is plus 240.

I don't like it. You might as well just bet them against Green Bay and then just keep rolling it in some of these important games.

Washington to make the Playoffs is... Oh, that's Tampa. Tampa is plus 114, Washington is minus 188. Okay. Seahawks are at the Jets. Seahawks are going to be favorite in this game. I don't know if there's a lot of weeks left to win real money against the Jets before the line shift. It feels like the last week. The Seahawks defense has looked legitimately good the last two weeks. Seahawks by one and a half is going to be my pick.

You got it. That was smart. I said two, and this is another one that's going to flip unless there's a quarterback change. Although I don't even know what would have to move. Does the line move if Rodgers is out? Jets faked by three.

Would Tyrod Taylor, I don't think the line moves. Rodgers has been awful. Yeah. So Tyrod Taylor, does the Jets Seahawks line move with Tyrod Taylor? Like, San Francisco moved three and a half points today when Purdy went out. I think it stays the same. I don't think it moves. It would be crazy is if it moved the other way and the Jets were favored with Tyrod.

What's he going to do? Not throw downfield? It's fine. So that's exactly what... Can he bring his friends in, Tyrod Taylor? Okay, we have a whole new receiving call. These are my buddies. I grew up with them.

Rogers dresses up like the Chargers team doctor and tries to stab Tyrod with a needle.

Yeah, well, he's a medical expert.

Washington is home for the Titans. So this was, I guess, the lines before the day, and I had washed him by seven. I'm going to knock that down to six. Washed him by six.

Yeah, you get this. I said seven and a half only because... I don't know why, but it's five and a half.

Well, it looked like Edgar got knocked out at the end of the game.

Right.

So he won't play. And he's had a few concussions before. So just Brian Robinson, who was hurt during the game today. And they have that McNicol's guy, but I didn't think they're going to have trouble running the ball. And then Daniel still doesn't look healthy. We're going to find that after the year that he has three cracked ribs, right?

Yeah, for sure. I'm just looking at as a must win in Tennessee. It's also a must loss for them after winning this today. How are they going to pull this off?

Rams at the Saints. After what we saw for the Rams today, I think they're going to be favorite, but I don't think it's going to be much. I'm going to say Rams by one and a half at the Saints.

Rams by, I said two, and it's two and a half.

A lot of momentum for the clogger. I don't know if you've been following this. Yeah, why not? People like the clogger. The team's responding.

What is the clogger?

He's clogging up that team with wins.

Oh, my God. What is his bye week like, the clogger, when he doesn't have to watch what he eats?

A lot of salad. A lot of salad and hot water. Poop Fecta, speaking of the clogger, we got two. We got Texas at Jacksonville. I can't believe Doug Peterson is still the coach. It seemed impossible after the 52 to 6 game. What was that, a week ago?

He survived the buy. I didn't even realize that. Yeah, they must have been busy. The ownership must have been vacationing or something.

I have Texans by three and a half at Jacksonville.

I had four and a half. It's five and a half. We're both.

I like Jacksonville.

You do? Yeah. Because of your guy.

No, I don't think Houston's very good. I have future bets on them. I was all in on them. I've been waiting for it to turn around, but I don't think they can block. From what I'm watching, week to week, it doesn't seem like they can block. Their defense seems like when you really need to drive the ball down the field on them, you can.

It's probably a stay away. What I don't want for the last seven weeks of the season, whatever, is for the south divisions to rip my guts out. If we're on the wrong side of too many of these, I'm going to miss my mind.

It's a great way to think about it. Great way to think about Here's another one, Bucks at Panthers. I have Bucks by four and a half in Carolina, and I like Carolina.

I had six. It's six and a half. I'm going to win this week. No.

Come on.

It's 10 to 5 or something.

I guess you are going to win.

Wait, who did you say? You like Carolina? No.

I'm going to give you Carolina's last couple of weeks. Week 9, they beat the Saints by one. Week 10, they beat the Giants by three. Week 12, tied with KC with a minute left. They had a buy week in there, too. They haven't really had a bad game since week 7. They got killed by Washington. But even the Denver game, the 14 to 28 loss, it wasn't like they didn't get demolished. So at least they're getting better unlike my team.

No, it's respectable. I mean, I have the Bucks. You should also have the Bucks in one division. We had an agreement, but I have to lean heavy into this.

But instead of doing that, I could just bet against Atlanta this week, right? Right. Because that Tampa, for them, the division, Atlanta would have to win. Sunday night, Bills, 49ers, a game that I'm sure they were thinking was going to be one of the best games of the Year three months ago. I'm thinking about how great this game seemed to knock August. No, I just want to do a shot of whiskey or something, Al.

I don't have a goddamn good thing to say about Brandon Allen. Can we just fast forward to next week?

I'll get excited about George Kittle if you want me to, Al, but I just... I think this goes over seven. I think this is bills by seven and a half.

I said seven, and it's six and a half.

Just like a point off with all of this.

Well, is this the Kyle Shana hand? We're going to F everybody up, everybody trying to get their money back from the Thursday night and Thanksgiving weekend. Is this the one?

So Purdy's probably playing. Yeah, that's true. That's about all we got. If you're making the case for the Niners, it's backs to the wall. If they lose this game, their season's over. They have a losing record in their division. You can't lose this game and have a realistic chance. I guess maybe you could sneak in in the playoffs as we made the case with your team.

I think is he definitely playing? They thought he was going to play this week, too. To say that they think he's going to be ready, I don't know. I guess this is their season, though. It's got to do it.

Monday night. Bronco's home for the Browns. This is really the Sal bowl. Your guy, Bo Nicks, against your guy, Jameis.

So much fun.

It's really everything you want.

Do you want to guess? Because there's odds up for offensive rookie of the year.

I think Bo Nicks has to be favored.

Then you should bet him. He's plus 125. Daniel is minus 150. The number one pick- That's a pretty good bet. Is 50 to one, Caleb Williams. Jesus.

I don't think he was bad No, he wasn't.

He was.

He made some plays. Yeah. I got Broncos minus three and a half against Cleveland.

You're going to get that. I said three, it's four and a half, but too little too late for you, Simmons.

All right. 7, 5, and 1. You beat me on your favorite week of the year.

I love it. I love it.

Cowboys are alive.

That's got to stop. I don't know why that still gets me annoyed.

Listen, are the Cowboys alive or are they not? They're alive.

No, we crossed them off. We have to say.

They're alive. What do you got for Parent Corner?

What do I have? A couple of things. Well, first of all, again, favorite weekend of the year, Favorite day. There's always home already, right? Yeah. Now you got to see her for what? A week or more?

Yeah, it's like eight days. She's been home since August eighth.

Yeah, right. Same here. My guy comes home Wednesday morning, and he's leaving Friday. He's like, I'm going back because Oregon's playing Washington. I'm going to that game. My wife is like, Oh, this is terrible.

It's like- How many times did she cry?

Well, it hasn't happened yet, but I think it's about that. I think it's going to be bad. But I was like, this is cats in the cradle, right? I would do the same thing, and my parents would get mad. And what are you going to do?

But she didn't cry when Archie said he was only coming home for two days. That didn't elicit tears?

I think she had regrouped and composed herself because I found out hours later. But I think the tears will flow naturally when it actually happens. It's like, going off. But, yeah, so that's that. The other thing is I picked my son Jack up from wrestling practice, and he's like, extra dirty. And I was like, what the hell? Why do you smell? What's going on here? What did you do? He was like, we had a clean garbage. So what do you mean you had a clean garbage? He's like, Well, Coach got mad because somebody went in the wrestling room and tried to lose extra weight and was jumping rope, and they were unsupervised, and the principal found out, and nobody would fess up. This is like the fourth Nobody will fess up thing that they had to do. They had to do community service as a result. And so we all had to clean garbage over an hour, an hour and a half after we ran. I was like, All right, but can't the Coach I've had bosses that do this, bosses and teachers and coaches that punish the whole group. But if you looked at it, logically, my kid is not going after hours to jump rope.

He's just not. Can we could excuse him? What are we doing here? If you were at work and a beet salad was missing from the community refrigerator and you're like, No, we're unplug the refrigerator for everyone. You I could assume it's not me that took the beet salad. Right. I haven't seen a vegetable in seven years. So I don't know where you stand on that messaging, but it seems like it's successive.

Do you think Gerard Mayo should try some of this Motivational tactics with the Patriots?

Maybe.

We have six pre-staff penalties in the first half. You guys are all going to have to clean up the garbage outside of Gillette Stadium.

Yeah. I'm unplug all the electricity in the locker room. You're done.

So everyone enjoys your parent corners every week. Rarely did I get multiple people in my life asking the same question about last week's parent corner from you.

With the match? Yeah.

If your kid throws up during the match, why isn't that an automatic forfeit?

It's supposed to be. Because our coach, which coincides with my story this week, is a lunatic.

So he somehow Now talk the ref out of the forfeit?

He had to be like, Our kid's nervous. He's not sick. And then my kid's like, Yeah, I'm nervous. And they're like, All right, we'll clean up the dominoes and then we'll let you finish. But yeah, that was it. But yeah, normally it is.

It's amazing that it just isn't a rule in Southern California sports, like vomit, wrestling, automatic match over.

Right, exactly.

And then my wife wanted to ask that it must have smelled, like puke smells. It wasn't like- So they cleaned up on the mat, but it's still going to smell, right?

It was a little bit. It wasn't like stand by me, like with the pie contest. I wouldn't say that. But yeah, that was a lot. It was a little bit, and they cleaned it up. And that, yeah, I mean, the kid was like, yeah, that's a good way to get a kit to forfeit. I don't want to be vomited on.

But yeah, that was it. But then I was thinking, maybe that should be Jack's thing. He throws up during every match. The other kid is so bummed out. He just wants to get pinned.

I once farted so bad that I was wrestling a really good kid, but I shouldn't have been pinned in the first period, but I was. Then afterwards, he's like, I'm sorry, man, I had to get rid of you. That was so bad. The farting? I thought it would work to my advantage, but no, he had to step up his arsenal.

That was it. My parent corner. I picked up my daughter on Friday from the airport, and I did the where you pull in illegally at the arrivals, park the car. There were no cops. I think they know because it's Thanksgiving. I got there, I was four minutes before her, and I was watching these other cars. There was a lot of kids coming back from college already on that Friday. It's the most emotional hug. You're getting choked up in the car watching all these people who haven't seen their kids. They did these huge long hugs. I'm like, Is This is the most emotional place in America every year, the kids coming home for Thanksgiving on the airplane and seeing their families? Then I was thinking, If I'm united, this would be a great commercial over Fly the friendly sky, whatever United commercial is. It should just be these home movie iPhone shots of all these people. People were like, hugging each other and crying. They were so excited they see each other. I'm getting emotional watching. And then my daughter comes in with the bag and she's like, Hey, dad. She just gives me because I'd seen her a few weeks ago.

So I was ready to really have an emotional moment. It didn't happen.

I thought you were going to say this should be a Twitter feed with only embraces at the airport.

I need game ball, locker room, speeches, and emotional airport hugs.

I would like somebody to come off and someone coming off a spirit airlines flight. Why do you have a black guy? What happened? You and Jay Leno, what is this? What's going on?

Are they looping out after you? Anyway, I was in a good mood the whole day and then picked her up. We're talking in the car, we drive back, and we ended up going for dinner that night, the four of us. It was like all times. Then within not even 24 hours, my wife and my daughter yelled at each other.

Nice.

By Sunday, my wife's like, She's just the kitchen. Here's what I didn't miss is the way you treat the kitchen. It's just like, We're just back. It's like, Oh, the emotion's out the window. Now everybody's yelling at each other again. We're really back, though.

Yeah. There might be too much lead-up time to Thanksgiving, right? I wonder what the perfect amount is.

Two days.

Two and a half.

Probably like a Tuesday. But it's nice to have her home. The dog, Murf, just absolutely lost his mind. Because he had seen her in three Three and a half months. They probably didn't even know. What do you think dogs think when people disappear? They're not smart. I don't know. I don't know if you've noticed, but not smart animals. Or do they just have it? It's almost like have dog Alzheimer's where they're just They have no long term memory. It's like, Hey, it's that person.

Right. Yeah. I don't know what they think. You know what? I'm so locked in the sports gambling and losing. I don't have time to think about what dogs are thinking about.

What does your dog think of a Washington somehow losing kids' house.

I have kids vomiting on mats and stuff like that. I'm trying to psychoanalyze a dog.

It's great, though. It's great to have everybody in one spot.

I like that idea for United or whoever, though. I can't believe they haven't done that.

I was trying to think what's the more emotional other than happy emotional, not sad emotional, like a funeral. I guess a wedding would be happy emotional. Yeah. Airport, my kid is coming up from college. There's not graduations, maybe. There's not a lot of just pure happy moments.

Wedding, it's the whole event. But you're right. But the airport, it's that exact moment of embracing. Because we think about, I don't know, living out here, we think about the airport as, Andy Dick's going to say something terrible to TMZ stepping off a Jet Blue flight or something. But you're right. It's been in a positive way.

Even the people whose parents didn't greet them, like hugging the Uber driver. Yeah.

Exactly. There's always a hug out.

Uber driver is like, Ha. All right, that was his parent corner. What do you have to plug?

What do I have? Simmons, Through the Ringer with the great Tate Frazier, Against All Ods, a couple of times a week on the Ringer podcast network. We're going to review Monday Night Football, go over the big college games and playoff implications. Cousin Sal's winning weekend with Michael Irvin and Ringer pregame show. Now, listen, this has become very competitive, and you know I don't like But I gave out a bunch of winners. It's not a four-hour show. We only get to talk seven times each. Wisest wager was the bears locked in at three and a half. My dog was the Titans plus 310. Tommy DeVito to not throw an interception. Jacob's over 74 and a half rushing yards. And the Ice Cream Sunday, a segment you created, lions by 11 to 20 points plus 290. What a week for me.

That one hit. The Titans didn't hit, though.

The Titans plus 310. Oh, they did win. It's a matter of view.

Yeah, they won.

Yes, so you hit all of that? We just did 40 minutes on it. You need a hug from your daughter. It's a matter of view. Yes, I hit all of it.

We've been talking for an hour and a half. Yeah, for some reason I thought they covered. That's it.

Watch the Ringer pregame show.

How many sides of the Ice Cream Sunday pick did we get?

I was the only one. Yeah, might not have been great. I don't want to crap on these guys, but I was the only one. What are you going to do?

I have to plug Yot Rock on HBO and Max on Friday. It's really good.

Give us a little tease.

Just be able to queue it up.

What's good. What are people going to sink their teeth into?

I'm really glad that Michael McDonald finally gets his Just Do. But I think, put it this way.

You don't know me, but I'm your brother.

He has multiple moments where he just cooks in it. But it's really, I think, it's not what you think it is, this doc. That's what I will say. I don't want to spoil it.

The hell does that mean?

But it's way more about the music than the comedy of it and stuff like that. I think people are going to be surprised.

Okay. And it has nothing to do with Vince McMahon?

Vincent couldn't put Vincent into this. All right.

All right. Next time.

That's it. Because Good job by you.

Good job by you, buddy.

All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cus and Sal. Thanks to nephew Kyle, Steve Cerruti, Gehow, everybody behind the scenes who helped with such a spectacular production. Wasn't that many people, but it was still fun. You can watch this podcast on the Bill Simmons YouTube channel. Don't forget, new rewatchables coming Monday night. Running Scared. Don't forget about the Yatt Rock documentary coming Friday, the day after Thanksgiving on Max and on HBO. I will see you in this podcast on Tuesday. On the wayside, never on, say. I don't have a few years with them. On the wayside, on the wayside, never on, say. On HBO, and I will see you in this podcast on Tuesday.