Transcript of The NFL’s Holiday Overload, Darnold’s Crazy Year, Week 16 Murders, and Guess the Lines

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So worth the wait. I got to tell you, Bill, I can't root against them. I hate it. I know it cost us a draft, draft picks in certain order. I know I have Tampa Bay to win the NFC South, and yet when that defense plays with the intensity that it did, it is very hard to root against the cowboy. You have to feel that way, too. Come on. I mean, your team didn't win, but you know what I'm saying, right?

I thought you were doing Collinsworth, but you're doing Sal. I thought you were going to say, This is the greatest game I've ever seen. I've never seen a football game like this, Mike.

It was the greatest everything. It was the greatest secondary, it was the greatest intersection, that run from Baker is the greatest.

The producers are in Chris's ear like, Chris, please stop saying how the Cowboys have nothing to play for, five minutes later, Dallas has nothing to play for, Mike. They got nothing to play for. I don't even know why they care. Why are they dressed up?

Get back on the buzz. What are they doing? I want to watch Vita Bay. I wish he would moon me. I'm going to rename my son Vita Vea. You hear that Jack Collinsworth? You're Vita Vea Collinsworth now.

Mike, this is the hardest hitting game that doesn't matter at all, and everybody should turn the channel that I've ever That was quite an ending to quite a weekend. I got to say, I'm footballed out. I just didn't want to watch this game, especially once Dallas was eliminated, even though they were already eliminated. But I watched it because we had to watch for the pod. But big picture, this football stretch we're in, we had Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, tomorrow, two Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, 9 of 12 days football. I'm already feeling like I'm at Foga to Chou, ready to tap out, ready to turn the card.

You're turning the red? You're going red already?

We got another game tomorrow. I'm like, I'm going red. Red discount. I can't have any more meat. This is too much, especially the college football. It's too much.

It's a lot, man. It's a lot. Yeah, you're right. I had a Friday on... But you and I love it. We love the Moneyline favorites. The Moneyline favorites came in six in a row between the college and Pro Games Friday and Saturday. Well, that's a nice little nest egg we built, right?

All the faves hit except for Philly, which we will talk about thanks to Jalen Hertz. But basically any money line parlay with any reliable good to great team, five, six points and up hit. It was your weekend. I was thinking about you because Oosik was fighting, too. Our guy that we love betting on, he hasn't lost since the first Obama term. Just get to throw him in with different parlays, you get the Buffalo Money Line and the Green Bay Money Line, but Philly was the let down one.

That was awesome. I know. It was entertaining, right? It's nice to win Christmas week, but Philly, and by the way, with Hertz going out, the first thing we thought of was our friend Brad and Hinch, who both separately Leagues had Hertz starting.

The two league were in. Yeah. Our two craziest friends had Hertz.

The most volatile, infantile, fantasy routers and owners. Hinch is talking about the independent neurologist for 14 hours straight on text. He was so upset.

He kept texting. Hinch is like, diametrically opposed to Chris Nuwitzky in concussion protocol. So get him back in there. And then our friend Brad, who hasn't won our knockout league, I don't think since we've had the knockout roll, but he's been voted out three times?

Yeah, I haven't heard from him. Honestly, we may have to do an unplanned wellness check. We've done a few of those, but not for a fantasy.

Yeah. So Hertz ends up with 4.5 points. He He crushes anybody who had him. Not his fault. But not the big story from that game because Jaden Daniels not only locked down offensive rookie of the year, I think five TDs, 82 rushing, another come from behind win, another super exciting DC moment. It feels like his mojo came back the last couple of weeks. He was definitely hurt there for I don't know how long, but now he's starting to look like him again. But that was such a great win. It felt like they had He lost that game five different times. I didn't even know if it was a bad Eagles's loss. They had Kenny Picket. I had the Eagles in a parlay. Kenny Picket's in there halfway through the first quarter, and you're going, the fuck? I definitely never wanted I bet on Kenny Picket again in my life. But he actually wrote me in. I was like, he seems okay.

We're not offering insurance. God bless Kami fan and Ringer pregame show co I know it was Joe House. I picked this Washington team to make the playoffs. Jaden, thanks for the offense rookie of the Year loot, but I can't wait to bet against this team in the wild card round. I mean, the starting quarterback goes out, five turnovers for Washington, and a drop pass, maybe the worst big drop pass of the year by Devante Smith, which would have run the clock out.

There were two because there was that long one with Barkley, too. It was another backbreaker that- He should have had that, too. By the way, the Giants fans have always said he never catches those. He's got He's got like butterfingers on big pass plays, and that was yet another one. But the Devante Smith one, there was a lot of those today, though, in the cold weather games. I think we forget how cold it is. Like the Bill's Pats game by the second half, everybody looked like they were wearing oven mitts.

Yeah, it's not as cold when we're screaming at the TV in our toasty living rooms.

Wearing a blanket.

Yeah. But Washington needed every bit of everything we just named to win that game. Are they the full shit team? Starting with the Hell Mary, I know maybe a few unlucky breaks with injuries, but honestly, as a seven-seed, I'm good.

They're 10-5 right now? Mm-hmm. The Hell Mary was stupid. They had one other really stupid win, and then this one. But this That's when they earned. You have, what was it, first down and goal from the nine under 20 seconds left? That should be the most impi... It's like a nine-yard two-point conversion. Guys wide open. The eagles just completely fucked it up. In that In that case, I felt like that was almost... It wasn't a bad eagles's loss until that last drive, because if your defense is that good, everybody's like, This is the most well-run, including me. This is the most well-run of the team that Detroit's done. Their defense is gone. The Eagles, they can get stops. Not only did that get stops, that was one of the worst touch downs anyone's given up this year.

It was really bad.

Guys, wide open in the middle of the end zone.

You have to think it'll be back hurts, right? If that's the 2-7 matchup, now it spells doom, I think, for Washington. I don't think there's any way Philly loses that game.

Those games are always weird with them, though. How many weird Philly-Washten games can we have? It's true. They made them weird on that Monday night. And then there's always fans from either side at both of the games.

Philly's defense needs to be a little better. That's for damn sure. But a lot of these top teams, you could say that for.

Well, the weird part was I didn't understand the 12 man on the field, guys running off. All of a sudden, they're just giving up like a 70-yard breakdown to give them the lead. There's a lot of stuff I didn't like with them. But you look at the playoff picture, they're locked into the two-seed. They have Dallas and the Giants left. Dallas, your team is like a surprisingly hard out now. I don't think that's a cross-off by any means, especially if they decide to sit Hertz for a week. But you against Penny Picket next week? Yeah, you might be eight-eight. They're locked into the two-seed. Then the The one seat is just bizarre, where Detroit feels like they've lost one time in three months, and yet somehow, Minnesota is controlling everything. If they just win their last two games, they're going to be the one seat.

Yeah, right. Now, the Philly loss. Yeah, You're right. I didn't think about that. Yeah, I mean, listen, I think I have to go to Vikings intervention. You have to throw an intervention for me because every Sunday I come on here and I praise Sam Darnal, and he has 32 shutdown passes now. And then Friday, I'm like, oh, who are they playing? They're not going to show up this week. I'm going to take Seattle. I get it right in the Keyester. It's ridiculous what Minnesota and Donald are doing. I'll probably take the packers next week.

I can't believe you just use the word keester.

Yeah. Yeah.

Is that not allowed? No, it's just mid '70s people and up. It's like, and your dad might have gotten that one, and that's it.

I just came from saying them. I think that's a problem.

I bet on Minnesota this week.

Oh, you did.

And mainly because we have all these Seattle bets. But I'm the same way. I said uncle with them a while ago. They're legit. I don't know how many times they have to do it. And I thought what was interesting about that game So rooting for Minnesota to score. Seattle takes the lead. Minnesota is down four. They actually have to go down and score a countdown. There's five minutes left. And I'm sitting there in the couch where I haven't moved for, I don't know how many hours. I'm like, I think Donald is going to get this. I swear that was my feeling in the car. I was like, he's going to get it. I really think he's going to go down the field and score.

I thought you were going to do the orgasm face again. I was worried there. All right.

Now, that was great. Sitting on the couch. You know what's funny about those is when I'm doing that as a joke to make you laugh, and then it gets cut out as blog post. It's like, look at this weirdo, dude. I'm like, I'm literally doing a joke. You can't cut that out, trying to make fun of me when I'm doing a joke.

They He caught you off guard.

Yeah, it's like, Oh, my God, what's he doing? It's like, I'm doing a joke. But anyway, Minnesota down four. And Darnold, he's done it, I don't know how many times this year, but there's seven, eight quarterbacks in the league that I feel like can get that done. It wasn't an easy scenario, but he's got these two great receivers that always seem to be open in the right times. But that throw breaks through. He's got pressure, cuts through, throws almost like a semi-sidearm. He's got to beat the safety. It was just a great play. Then became Gino at the end of the game.

They got a little lucky because they got the facemat. Was it a facemat called on Darnold? It's one of those things where there's three guys about to sack them, and one of the idiots puts his hand on the facemat. Yeah, and then like, shit. You got to call that. There's nothing about it. But It was a great throw. He is so cool on the pressure and marches him right down the field. Jefferson has five touch downs in the last three games. I don't want to say he was missing. He was MIA the first 10 weeks.

They were double teaming him. Yeah, they were taking him out. They were like, go throw to Addison and go throw to Hawkinson.

They're only going to get better, I think. And so why am I going to bet against them again? God damn.

I think you could... If we're just going, who do you trust the most right now? I think there's a real case for them. Because it always feels like they can score when they need a countdown. Their defense can create enough havoc that they can get some stops. They always seem to grab a turnover when they really need one.

And Ginkle is always They're exceptionally coached.

We make fun of coaches a lot. My Patriots today who had two really good drives in a row to start the game, but then as the game went along, the wheels start to come off. We had a backward lateral on our own eight-yard line that ended up getting recovered for defensive touch down. What are we doing? Why are we having Drake May whip a screen pass to Stevenson, who's already fumbled, who isn't exactly Mr. Hans in nine-degree weather inside our own 10-yard line? What are we doing? Why are we punting from midfield when we're down 10? You watch that stuff.

Then you watch- He went on fourth of 2, though. You had the nice fake there. That was fun for me.

Well, we had the fake punt. But then you watch Minnesota, and it's like, I agree with everything they're doing. This team has it. They're really well coached. Flores is great on defense. O'kano knows the fuck he's doing. Really good team. I'm in on the Vikings. I think they're legit.

I think they are, too, and I think they play defense. If you talk about the four or five top teams. Obviously, the lions didn't kill them today, but their front seven is injured. They have 22 guys on IR or out. Most of those are defensive players. We saw the Bills defense. I don't know how much more you need to see out of that. Who else? Philadelphia was bad today. Really just the Chiefs and Vikings are the only two teams defensively right now with a few weeks left that I'm comfortable with.

Yeah, the Pats had 28 first downs on the Bills defense today.

Yeah.

Wow. We have no receiver We have an offensive coordinator that will do 10 dumb things a game, and we had 28 first downs. That was a winable game. That was a winnable game. We had six winnable games. May wasn't that good in the second half. I'll admit it.

Yeah. He was. I mean, you know. When is this Listen, you give him 15 chances to score from inside the five. He's going to hurt you. That's what he did at the end. Don't do that because he will show you up.

Come on. Why are you making fun of me? My team, I have the second pick in We're in a draft right now. I know. Next thing, Antonio pierce.

That is nice.

Antonio pierce, fist-pumping in the sidelet. It's like, We did it. We dropped from two to six. We got this. Wait, going back to that, let's talk Washington, Philly, Minnesota, that whole vortex. The Hertz concussion, I think, is in the running for one of the biggest football moments of the year because it didn't just feel like it swung the seeds. It also happened during semifinals in fantasy. I was trying to think of what injury that he'll be fine in a week or so, but what relatively minor but sucky injury would have had more impact on more people. Hertz is a top five fantasy quarterback. I guarantee he was on all this. It was just a crazy moment. Then watching Picket go in there, and you're thinking for Washington, this is really good for them. If they're any good, they should probably steal this game, and they couldn't do it for two hours. But so that happened. Then the Minnesota thing, and Seattle's out now, it seems like, right? I mean, they're not officially out, but- Well, they play the Rams, right? I know, but they're a game back. They basically need the Rams to lose next week.

They need to win next week, and then they need to beat the Rams.

And those Rams will... I mean, there's a couple of games they've won scoring one or no or two touch them, right? They just get it done. So weird with them.

You know what's weird about them? They're a January team. They're like the opposite of what their profile is. You think of them, you think that they're like this Dome team. They're going to be in these 37. They're in these ugly 19 to 16, 20 to 17. That's It makes more sense when you're watching them. I don't think they punted today or they punted, they punted once. But just like ugly turnovers, going for it on fourth down, not getting it. I don't know. They're like one of those boxers that you can't figure out what their style is. They run the ball really well some weeks, other weeks they don't. Some weeks, Stafford looks like he's 40, other weeks he looks like he's 25. I don't have a handle on them at all, do you?

I don't either. I don't know. I want to say I want to bet against them in the playoffs, but I think Stafford is going to struggle in cold weather a little bit. I think we saw that and the numbers support that. If Aaron Rodgers just didn't hand them the ball at the end, that might have been a game. He was at least... He was at least... Oh, really good. Really good stuff. He was awful. But yeah, they have what? What did they score against San Francisco? Twelve? And then barely 19 today? In 10 days, I think they have three touch downs now.

And it's a lot of... It's a little chiefish. If it feels like if it's close in the fourth quarter, you feel like they're going to pull it out and I'll show them a play, and he's high-fiving people and doing that whole thing. The other big scenario that happened today, and you could feel it coming Thursday after that game flipped with the Chargers and the Broncos. It's like all of a sudden, Cincinnati is doing the sleeper hold. Since then, it's like, one, two. And it's like, oh, the finger. Oh, my God, what's going on? They won three straight, they're missing their left tackle and their right tackle, and their defense is awful. That was pretty good today. And yet somehow they're still alive. And if they're playing Denver at home, next week, and then at Pittsburgh week 18.

Which might not mean anything. Pittsburgh could be in that scenario where they're, Oh, we're the 6 seed. We don't care if we're the 7 seed. It doesn't seem like the team's really mind.

Pittsburgh could be the 5 seed. Yeah. They could be five or six and not even care. Then they need Miami and Indianapolis to lose.

Can I just say something?

Which, by the way, is not a... Miami is playing Cleveland and the Jets. Indianapolis is playing the Giants Jaguars. Those teams might run out. Right.

I had my biggest bet of the year when we were coming clean, Penn State, Cincinnati Teaser. And I was so mad at the bangles. I was like, how the freak are you not putting this game away. You make everyone sweat it out.

17 points for 2 hours.

Jesus. And you got Dorian, Thompson, Robinson, Pete, whatever his name is, running up and down the field. Are you kidding? I know it's 24/6, but can't they... This is the defense. Your defense has been awful all year long. Can you just keep it in check against Cleveland, not scare us so much?

No, nobody would believe it from the box score. I actually really enjoyed the bad football. I had bets on every game except the Rams-Jets. I was like, I'm not going near that. I don't like what we talked better with the Rams. But that Cleveland game was close. Their kicker missed a couple of kicks. Dorian Thompson-Rovinson was terrible at exactly the wrong times, but for the most part, seemed pretty competent. Their defense was doing a good job, I thought, against the Bengals. It felt like they were hanging around, hanging around, and all of a sudden it was going to be 17, 13, and they were going to have the ball with five minutes left. I was freaking out, too. I didn't understand why the Bengals couldn't close it.

It's a sexy bet. I know our buddy Rahim went with it plus 680 to make the playoffs. I haven't checked it. Of course, it's lower now. That's what it was this morning. But I don't even know if they run the table, even with that slate that you said, home against Denver.

Their defense is bad. Everyone's doing, You don't want to see them? It's like, I think I'd feel good about seeing them, actually. They can't stop anybody.

Yeah, they're very consistent.

You have them, you have Denver, who really looks like smoking mares personified. Miami, who actually got a good game from two of today. We'll talk about that later. Then Indianapolis, who ran for 335 yards today against a terrible Tennessee team. But if you catch them in the right 20 minutes, they look pretty good. I don't know One of those teams is going to be the seventh seed. Who would you be the most afraid of out of those four?

Let's say who's the two, would we say? Buffalo?

I think two is going to be Buffalo.

Yeah. You're hoping for Miami. I'm going to contradict myself, but maybe Cincinnati. But Miami, it wouldn't scare me if I'm Buffalo going there. Colts wouldn't scare you. No, they can't. I don't know. Are they going to have a bombing day in January? I don't see it.

I guess I'm Buffalo, I'd run.

But they're going to kill everybody.

What do you think? Who would you be most afraid? Well, Miami, I'd be fired up about because cold weather, they have no chance. Yeah. Indianapolis Richardson in a play off road game, no chance. Denver, Bownecks, I don't see it. Sorry, I know you love Boehnicks, but- No, it's fine. It seem teams like that. That team has a good hour in them, and they need the lead, and then they hold on.

Their offense, Boehnicks, I do like them. Pretty much the same as last year, if you look at the numbers. It's a defense that's allowed seven fewer points a game.

Yeah, and Benito turned into one of the best guys in the AFC. I would be the most scared of Cincinnati. I know it sounds like I'm contradicting what I said before, but I think the team that beats Buffalo in the playoffs is just going to be the classic, we outscored them. We went 42 to 40. We went 38 to 35. You're not stopping Buffalo anyway. So weirdly, the bangles not having a defense. I don't know if that matters because whenever Buffalo wants to move the ball downfield, they do. It's interesting about them. Cooper, again, didn't do anything today. Nothing. One catch for 10 yards. Yeah. And that was their big trade deadline move. It makes me wonder, should anyone trade for a receiver during the season? The Adams is doing well for the Jets because Rodgers is throwing to them 28 times a game trying to get them going. But meanwhile, they scored nine points.

Yeah. I don't know what's going to be with Buffalo Buffalo. But I think with Cincinnati, even if they do outslug Buffalo, there'll be a time to just bet against them. This team doesn't win two, three games in the playoffs. It's not built like that at all.

No, but they could win one. I think if you look back at the season they just had. So what's their record? Are they 500 yet? No. They're seven and eight. But they had how many dumb losses? Kc, 26 to 25. Washington, 38 to 31. That was stupid. Baltimore, 41, 38. That was dumb. They lost that other Baltimore game, 35, 34. They lost that stupid Chargers game, 34, 27. And then they lost that Stealer's game when they put up 38 points. They've been around some of these losses. But I do think they could play a 38 to 35 type game. And maybe Burrow is just awesome. So that's who I wouldn't want to play if I was Buffalo.

They have superstars, Chase Brown, Higgins, and our chase. But yeah, it is interesting. They're almost exactly the opposite of the Chiefs who have somehow made a deal with all the players and the organization. We're not going to break 31 points this year. We're going to repeat but never score 31. And here, Cincinnati is scoring 31, three at every four games and get win less than 500.

Yeah, even in the Casey game this week was like, God forbid, they took a 10-point lead. The other team always has to be within one possession with 10 minutes left for some reason. I will say, though, with Casey, and it's a little like Usyk watching him just figure out how to win the last few rounds. You just feel like when you're in your fourth quarter, they're chiefs, you just feel like they're going to figure it out somehow. It doesn't really make sense as you're watching it. They don't seem really better than any team they're playing. You're not like, Whoa, look at those guys. It just always feels like they're just going to make two plays and steal it. But if I was the rest of the league, I'd be dying to play them. I don't know. I don't know anymore. I just feel like we can beat these guys. Watch this tape. We can take these guys.

I just think it's all bullshit. I really do. They're good. They know, like you said, they know how to be there at the end, and yet they don't have a go-to guy other than Mahomes offensively, right? It's like, Noah gray. All right. He's their guy. Oh, Kelsey can only catch a three-yard pass and spin for five. But I don't know. Also, can we stop with the high ankle spraying garbage? That's Don't call it that anymore. That's not what it is. If he's not wearing a boot on Wednesday, it's not... Call it tooth decay. That's closer to what he has than a high ankle sprain. If he's running around, it's a full participant in practice on Tuesday. Give me a break.

It was like an ankle tweak.

Yeah.

That they tried to sell like it was this terrible- When you run off your curb to get the mail or something, that's what it is. So Denver has Cincinnati and KC left. Chargers have the Pats in Las Vegas, so they're winning with that. Miami, Cleveland, and the Jets. Colts, Giants, who are awful. They are the worst team in the league. They just suck. They're so bad. I was having fun in the first quarter of that game thinking, Oh, they took the lead, seven, nothing. It's like, Okay, just don't make any mistakes, Drew Lock. Is it not? I'm going to throw some pick sixes. I'm not even going to throw one pick six. I'm going to throw He got it. I'm going to throw in a judon.

Yeah, right. He got it. He knew what he was doing.

They play the Giants and the Jaguars. The Jaguars are pretty terrible, too. I don't think He's going to make it. Between Miami and Indianapolis, I think one of those teams are going to win.

Yeah, it's only two more games now for each of them, so it's doable.

Special season for the Cleveland quarterbacks. I added up the touch downs and interceptions. What do you Who was the best?

Was Jameis the best?

Probably the most productive both ways. What do you think for TDs and interceptions for the season? Tds? All the guys combined.

11-21.

Oh, that was pretty negative. Eighteen touch downs somehow. Twenty. Twenty pics. Eighteen touch downs? If that many. Well, James had 13 Well, I guess he did. Well, I guess he did.

Six weeks. Yeah, that's true. He went crazy in that one Monday night game, too.

What would you guess for Thompson Robinson's career? Touchdowns and picks.

I know he's amongst the lowest lowest in six weeks. I know he's amongst the lowest in six weeks. 6:14? I don't know.

Nine picks, one countdown.

Is that what it is?

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Oh, good.

Yeah. First up, the Raiders murder They're a top two pick. The Raiders are locked in to... It's a two-quarterback draft. How do you feel about Kam Ward? What's your take?

I like him better than Shador Sanders. My problem is I bet all these guys and lost a lot of money on them. I've cursed Shador Sanders for hanging around the pocket too long and taking bad sacs, but I like his mechanics. I just feel like Kam Ward is more NFL-ready right now. Like I said last week, I'm not sure any team... Because you get the Deon BS with it, right? True. You can't shed that if you take Shador. I don't know why. So you're thinking Rater? I mean, who would be more fun?

Well, the Raters, right now it's Giants 1. They're taking a quarterback. Raters were the second pick. They desperately need a quarterback, even though I guess I wouldn't say O'Neill was good, but he at least was... It's like when my dad drives to my stepmom's house in Albany, it's like, he got there. You're proud of him. It's like that. Yeah, it's like a compliment. Riders go from 2:00 to 6:00 because they lose today. Pats move into 2:00. So all my Pats text threads, if we just hold on, chargers next week, Buffalo Week 18, that two spot- We just hold on. If we just hold on at 3:14, and then we're in the trade spot.

What do you want?

What do you even want? I don't know. Let's say the Raiders are six and they want to move up for Shador Sanders at number two. It's at least Remember the six-pick, next year's first, some other stuff. Tennessee is going to need a quarterback and the Giants. Three teams in the top seven need a quarterback. There's only two. What I didn't want was for the Pats to be third. So right now it's Giants, Pats, Jaguars, Tennessee, Cleveland, Vegas, Carolina. And the irony of this is Mac Jones helped us twice. After completely murdering us last year, he wins a game to push them to three wins and push them behind us and then loses three of the Raiders, pushes them ahead of us.

So he pushed- Is it irony or is he still on the payroll? Maybe he is. Is it irony?

Yeah. Maybe it's one of those things we didn't change the books. It's too much irony. Yeah, so the Raiders were in their pick.

You're going to get, so what do you get? You want a big lineman to protect this guy, right?

We need a lineman. That's what you have to do. Scouting left tackle footage, which is about as boring as it gets.

It's not going to be sexy. You don't want the wide receiver. You already said That, right?

No, it's like, Hey, let's take a long look at Kelvin Banks Jr. Of Texas. Anyway, I don't know. We'll see what that pick's worth because once we get close to the draft, people start getting excited about the quarterbacks, and then you start forgetting the bad stuff. I don't know how it's going to play out. All right, that's one murder. Miami murders the Niner season officially. Now, you could say it was on life support. They were awful. I really don't I don't know where I stand on the Brock Purdy contract extension now because he had a couple of terrible plays today. I don't know, once you start removing those weapons, Debo is not quite Debo anymore. There's no Iuk anymore. There's no McCafree. He just looks like another guy that I'm watching who's good at scrambling and occasionally throws the ball for grabs.

Yeah, there's just no way to tell with him. I guess we're getting a look now. He was the guy that everyone needed to be there, like you said, the conditions have to be ideal.Shana.

Hanski have to be working.But you and I were both in on him. We were like, This guy's impressive. You got to hand him to him.

We flip-flopped a thousand times on Marty, I would say. But I still think he's worth it, man. I watch these 10 AM games on the West Coast. I see eight or nine bad quarterbacks. So what are we talking? Fifty? Fifty-five million? I feel like... I don't know. I think you're going to get... I wouldn't do it. We know he could win 10 or 11. You don't think so? I wouldn't do it. You think all these guys are going out?

I wouldn't do it. I I don't want to pay $50 million a year for somebody that's not... You're in the two-a situation. Again, two was good today, but do you want to pay two of 50 million a year?

No, but I think he might be worth it when you look at these other guys.

You got to start from scratch. I don't know how you build a great team around them because you need a better line. Like, Trent Williams has been out, and all of a sudden, they can't block anymore.

Yeah, that's interesting.

To me, the question would be, is there a Darnold every year now? And there won't be a Darnold this year because I think if Minnesota doesn't bring him back now, this is lunacy. But maybe that's the move is you trade for JJ McCarthy. The Niners have the 10th pick in the draft. Maybe they're just like, Let's take that guy off your hands.

That's a monster. That's a first-round pick. So you're going to trade. Yeah. I don't know.

Mccarthy went eighth last year and got hurt.

Right. I don't know. So what's the word this year? When you say, Is there another Sam Donnell? This is like a unicorn situation. This is what?

It's not though. We had Baker Mayfield the year before.

There's not too many guys who need seven years to prove themselves, is there?

Could be Zack Wilson next year. I guess. It could be Cooper Rush.

Interesting.

Would you take a first for Cooper Rush or no?

I think we got to get two first, and someone has to fix the roof.

Yeah, you're probably right. History of the NFL says, Donald's a complete anomaly. You can't count on getting lucky like that again. Other teams have tried. But like, Gino Smith on Seattle, they were able to patch that together. Yeah, I I think it happens a little more than people realize, but what I know doesn't work is paying somebody 50 million who might not be worth it. I'd be really nervous about that.

Yeah, 49ers, the window might have closed with this core group for sure. But It's still that offense does home when McAfree's there and Ayouk's there and everybody else. They have to keep... Man, it really is the Trent-Williams thing, though, isn't it? That's the big piece. It's so different without him.

When we did our Futures draft before the year and you tapped out, I won the Fogga to Chia. I can't wait for next year now that we know it's like whoever taps out first loses.

What do you mean?

I did. You tapped out. Yeah.

Because I had enough winners.

You had Futures back and forth. You ran out.

I got it, but I won. You ran out of futures. I'm going to win. I'm going to win.

I did No, I'm definitely winning. I hit more on this. Really? I had some great ones. I had some plus 300s. I had some big ones.

We got to look at those. I want to see those.

No, I think I'm going to win. But one of the ones I took at the tail end after you tapped out was Niners under nine and a half wins, and it was plus 260. Next year, I just want to print all these out. What do you think Niners under seven and a half wins would have been? Plus 700?

Yeah, that's nuts.

I think we have to remember that for next year. There's always going to be one or two teams that are five wins worse than whatever the over-under is, and with some crazy seven to one value, try to in each conference what team it's going to be.

What was McCafree's prognosis when we had done that? He might miss one game?

No, we were dubious. We thought he might be out for the first month.

We thought that. We know better than everybody. But what were they saying? They said really maybe a month or they weren't saying anything.

It was dodgy. It was dodgy enough that it affected our fantasy draft.

Right, that's true. I want to look at those numbers. I picked offensive rookie of the year winner I picked possibly the defensive player of the year. You had a couple.

One of your best ones was you had Pat's worst record. Detroit's best record was like 36 to one. You're not going to hit it. But I hit a bunch of Pat's Under's NFC South. I did pretty well. We got to pull this out. It's going to be a good battle. We'll see. There's a lot of them ones left, but we did well on the overrunners, too. That Miami Niners game. I don't know what happened in Tyreek, I don't know whether he got paid, but it feels like he's not as... It feels like Johnny Smith is the most valuable offensive weapon they have now. But they really ran the ball today. It was the first time they ran the ball in a while. Now, granted, they're playing this Niners team that felt like it was whatever. But it did make me think, this is the Miami team we thought they were going to be before this season, this speedy team that could also really pound you with this crazy run game. It feels like they're figuring out a little bit. I thought they played really well in that game.

How surprised were you to hear that Tua threw his 100th breakdown pass of his career?

That makes sense. That's like 25 a year.

I don't know why it really threw me for a loop. I was like, this That guy has 100? That's exactly what I thought. He's had 25 for a year? Yeah. But they're sitting all that time.

We've been really harsh on him. I thought he was good today, and Tyreek dropped two touch downs.

They said that someone got a hand on it, but Yeah, I agree. No, he was good. He pulls those in. You know what was good? Me for taking the over in that game. 14 and 2.

Let's talk about that.

14 and 2 with my wisest wagers. Just let me get this out. Everybody, set your alarm if you're on the West Coast. Watch the Ringer pregame show on YouTube TV on the West Coast, it's 8:04 in the morning. You catch my bet, you plug it into Fandle, and you go to sleep until 1:00 or 4:00, you'll wake up a winner.

You're on a heater because the one today was super lucky. It really was. You were going to lose. You were under. Echan is up five. He's an idiot. With less than two minutes left, running for a first down. Most guys in the league fall down on the five-yard line, and he's like, Fuck it. America needs fantasy points in the over, and he just runs right in for the countdown.

Big ass smile on his face, too.

You must be going nuts.

I was like, This is this is insane. Yeah, I don't think I'm ever going to lose again. I had a four Eastern.

I mailed you guys my 13 pointer today. You had that on there. Which was the Bill's packer's money line, the bears, plus 20, which I somehow won. And then the other one was your over. It was like over. I teased it down in a 31. They almost had that in the third quarter.

You needed Yeah, in the fourth. Yeah, that was good.

One other funny thing about that game. I think Shanehan is my number one coach where it's like they're down between four and seven points, and I feel like they have no chance. Remember I actually looked it up because I was like, I vaguely remember there was some weird Shanehan comeback thing. He was like 0 for 37 before the playoff game in January. Right. Against Green Bay was the first time they came back. But it was yet another one where it's like, Shana, they'll probably not come back. All right, next murder. Carolina murdered Arizona season.

Yeah, they did.

And Bryce, who we left for dead last week, outplayed Kyla Murray who, yet again, as a recurring theme with him, both this season and for his career, just cannot stop having three absolutely horrible, abysmal, excruciating plays per game. He can't not do it. He's been in the league, what, six years? I'm out. I was out already, but I'm all the way out. Doors closed, locked, done.

It does seem like he's one of the quarterbacks who really should lobby for a three-quarter football game. You're not going to see... Fourth quarter is too long for him to not make one or two crucial mistakes.

Or maybe mulligons. Yeah, he's like the guy in golf. He's like, Can I get a mulligan on that? I just almost killed the foursome to the left on the other hole. All right, take another shot. He says three mulligan passes that you don't get mulligan in football.

Right. We used to... Imagine when we were growing up, if someone kicked... No one kicked a 58-yard field goal. But if someone kicked a 58-yard field goal, you were going to win that game, right? If it was that Orton, and he couldn't even do it. It was like a punt return for a countdown. Couldn't even do it. Couldn't win them this game in overtime. Very strange.

The guy who kicked the field goal, Chad Rylan, was on the Patriots last year and single-handly lost those three games with terrible kicks. And that's the reason we have Drake May. There's a couple of people I follow on Twitter that are Pat's people that they call him the Tank Master, the Commander and Tank Chief, because it was like he just brought home. And he went to Arizona, and now he's just banging home 58 yarders in bad condition. It doesn't matter. He makes everything.

Yeah, he's a best offensive player.

So he hits that. And by the way, they got really screwed on a call on that end of that game where he was... Kyler scramble out of bounds, and they did that weird. This is another NFL call that they just have stopped being consistent on ever. Is the guy, did he fall forward or not? All of a sudden, the ref's like, No, no, no, keep it going, even though he It seemed like he was in control of his own out of bounds. That's the thing. I haven't figured that out yet. Then the Panthers went in OT. The Panthers now have four wins. This was my lock of the NFC, five F wins under Panthers. You're good. I feel like I'm going to get it.

Yeah, wait. How does it end up for them? My boys- A little nervous.

They're just playing the other teams in the conference or in the division.

Oh, they're at Tampa. I mean, Tampa, talk about a murder. There's going to be murders if they don't win that game.

Yeah, they played Tampa. They're on the road, Tampa and Atlanta. They're not going to win both of those.

They're good. Yeah. They got to start thinking about top five picks now.

Am I good with the NFC South? 25 wins?

How many is it now?

They're all playing each other. It's going to be closer to 30 than... I'm a little worried. That was my all-time lock.

Oh, there's 25 so far. Oh, I see. I see what you're saying. Oh, man. What are you going to have to hedge? You're going to have to hedge some dumb week 18 game.

No. Yeah, Tampa's 8, 16, they have 25. It's three where they're playing each other where somebody wins. So that's 27. I think I'm going to get it, but I can't believe I'm sweating it out. And then we're going to win our NFC used to win.

Well, hold on. Yeah, so it's Bucs, Saints, and Carolina, Atlanta. So you'll know before week 18. That's week 18.

I'm okay.

I'm going to be fine. He'll be good.

I'm furious that I'm sweating it out. Next one. The Rams somehow remurdered the Jets season. It felt like this was like positive vibes with the Jets. Enigma came out. They won last week. It's like, Oh, Rogers, if you look at his stats, this is the best season of Jets QB has had in 12 years, all that stuff. Nope. They sucked, and he sucked. He was terrible.

He was bad, right? He was awful. You're right. The highlight will show the Devante Adams' countdown, right? Yeah. But everything else, poor decisions in the pocket, can't get free.

Slow.

Just slow as shit. What are they talking about bringing him back or another team signing him? I just don't get it. I don't care. Please, it has nothing to do with him personally. What would possibly catch your eye that you would sign this guy again?

I can't think of a single thing. I will tell you another person is not going to be back.

Obreg.

He's the 2024 Brandon Stealey Award winner. I don't think anyone has a worse sense of when to go for it, when to go for it on fourth down, when to punt. He just fucks it up every time. It's like, whatever is going to work He's like, I'll just do the opposite. Let me try that. This guy will never be a head coach again.

He's got brick in his name. The brick layer, we got to come up with something for him, but we have two weeks to do it.

How about you'll never be a head coach again? Can we call him that? Is that a good nickname?

Yeah, it's a little long. I don't know. A little long. On a license.

I just feel like we should have appreciated Pit Boss Rich a little more when we had him. The whole concept of an interim coach with real character coming in and just being like a substitute teacher. I don't know. There's a Garrett Wilson subplot with the Jets that you can really feel when you're watching them. I just don't think he's going to be on that team next year, and I would love to get him on the Patriots. I'd take him right now.

Oh, yeah.

I think he's really good, and I think Rodgers is just favoring Adams or Lazard or whatever guy he has some history with over like, Garrett Wilson. Garrett Wilson is going to go to another team and be awesome.

He's got to be great in a right offense in the right scheme. I don't know if it's the Patriots, but it's definitely not the Jets.

Come to the Patriots.

We'll play with Drake. Remember, we were told you have to take Garrett Wilson no later than seventh in the first round and Breese Hall, fourth. Forget it.

Gary Wilson murdered two of my fantasy teams. Here's another murder. Gerard Mayo, murdered Analytics. I don't know if you caught this. So when the pats punted from the New England 45 on fourth and 833 remaining in the fourth, down 10, punting to Josh Allen, the MVP of the league. A surrender index, according to the Surrender Twitter, surrender index of 9.08. It ranked in the 95th percentile of cowardly punts of the 2024 season and the 91st percentile of all punts since 1999. Another chapter for Gerard Mayo's new book, Scared Football.

I love the fact that That cowardly punks has to go on someone's resume. If that guy goes for another job, all right, let's see, your teammates, team seems to like you. Yeah, you did this. All right. Yeah. Oh, cowardly punks.

Two cowardly punks in 2024.

Can we get that down? Can someone write a letter on your behalf explaining the cowardly punts?

The announcers were praised in the past today because they rolled Drake May out a couple of times. They played with pace. They did a fake punt. They were like, The Patriots, aggressive. I'm like, We're 3-11. Of course, what are we protecting? We suck.

I was sending you live odds for them. They were plus 142 when they're up by... What was Was it 14?

Never, ever, never, ever did I think we were winning that game. Because if I had been panicking about the draft pick, there would have been a moment in that game where I was like, holy shit, we're going to blow this and actually win. But it was the perfect game. Drake may He knows the program. Do just enough. Get everyone excited. He's going to have a couple of dumb 21-year-old plays. He has every game because he's 21 years old. But I love him.

Let me ask you something. I'm being honest. I love him. I'm not being a jerk. No, don't. I do. No. But what is the difference between him and Mac Jones? The first 12 weeks of Mac Jones. Oh my God. After 10 weeks, you were saying they should redraft. Mac Jones would be one or two. No, stop. It was not. You did.

You absolutely did. Mac Jones was always a game manager. This guy- Oh, my God. So Dubundo sent me something. Nfl offensive success rate leader since week 10. Lions, packers, Ravens, bangles, bills, rams, patriots.

Yeah.

Jake May is good. We have nobody. We have no receivers. We can't block. We have a running back that has seven fumbles this year. You never said Mac Jones- There has been a seven fumbled player since 2020.

Yeah. I'm sorry, but you love Mac Jones. You did. I'm I'm just saying be careful. You did love Mac Jones.

I'll go further.

Yeah.

My favorite Boston rookie of the 21st century.

What?

Yeah. Yes. Really? Yeah. I'm all in. I'm happy to be haunted with this clip forever. Jake May is a sure thing. All the Pat fans are nodding now. We've been watching. He's fucking incredible. Team sucks.

Wait a minute. Wasn't Muki Betz a rookie for you?

Yeah, I love Muki Betz. I have him above Muki Betz. And I love Muki bits. Oh, man. You are drunk. It's so hard to get a quarterback. It's like the fucking single hardest thing to do. I know. You could go decades without one. I really thought after braided, we'd have no chance to ever have one again. And now we have this fucking guy fell out of the sky. It's amazing. The funny thing is he might not even be the best quarterback in his class because Daniels is also amazing. But if you gave Caleb versus Drake May, it's like no contest.

I can't believe you. This is a little much. This is just a tiny bit much. I don't feel like it is. Based on the Mac Jones phrase, you did love him. You didn't call him a game manager after 10 weeks. You loved him. You thought he was number one or two in the league, rookie.

If Harrison started to be like a lifeguard at the beach.

This is personally now. Yeah. My Harrison or James Harrison? Yeah. Mine.

And he just swam out and saved somebody's life.

Still wouldn't like him.

He'd be like, Wow, that was nice. If he did it every week, he'd be like, Hey, this kid's a hell of a lifeguard. What life is he? Jake May, week after week, it's just like- He's saving lives? I can't believe the shit he's doing. Oh, my God. The first drive today, he did five, six things that were like, I can't believe he didn't get sacked. I can't believe he got out of that. I can't believe he threaded the needle to Boody, who's covered by two guys. How did he get on the ball? He's incredible. But you could believe that he...

And then he stuck in the second half. You could believe that he didn't win, right? Because he's done that 12 times.

Well, not that much. That you could believe. No, I'm super excited about Jake You're not going to pour water in it. All right. I'd be excited for Harrison if he was a great lifeguard and just saving lives every week.

I think both of those are over-exaggerating.

Three and twelve. Have you been watching him? I have. He's shockingly good.

What the fuck? What? Really? Yeah. I don't know. All right. I got to look.

Give somebody who's super talented the worst coaching, the worst play calling, the worst blocking, and the worst receivers, and then they're still going to get 28 first downs on the road against Buffalo.

I'm just saying be careful because we saw Trevor Lawrence. We saw Mac Jones.

Trevor Lawrence never did this as a rookie. He was never this competent ever in his life.

I can't believe you have three wins.

Here's what's going to happen. This is really... Here's what's going to happen. Mark my words. The nerds are going to come out.

This was a winnable game today. You could have been in the goal.

We've had seven winnable games because of him. We have no good players. We have him and Gonzales. Here's what's going to happen this week. The nerds, when they do the EQ, all the fancy stats. May is going to be amazing in these different stats, like the PFF, all that stuff. I'm telling you, he's going to be great.

You and the nerds. You should watch the games with the nerds.

Can we bring in Kyle for a second? Kyle, are you listening to this? Well, this is- Kyle, tell Sal how good Drake May because he doesn't seem to believe me. He's really good, Sal. He's really good.

Oh, he is?

Watch the first half of these games. You should just watch the first half.

Oh, just the first half. Okay.

All right. He's really good.

All right. You turned me around. I didn't believe you, but Kyle- Sal, just be on the right side of history of this.

Drake May is a guy. Really? It's a guy. He's a guy. This is happening.

How much are you going to pay for him in fantasy next year?

I'll say this. He's going to be on all my fantasy teams going forward.

Really?

Yeah.

What a lunatic you are. What are you Eight years old? I love Jake May.

This is great.

I'm so happy we have a quarterback again. It's fine.

It's great. I love Tatum. At Tatum, first year, I was like, This guy's got it. We got somebody. This guy's a special guy. I feel the Felt the same way about Trey May. Felt the same way about Ray Bork in 1979. It's like, This guy's a guy.

I got to look back.

You're missing somebody here. Muki Betz. Same thing. Muki Betz is a rookie. It's like, this guy has it.

Yeah. He did have it.

He did have it. Then he I'll just wait on this guy. It'll be a ram. We'll see. The Saturday games. Baltimore handled Pittsburgh. Winnable game for Pittsburgh. Russ Wilson.

We were waiting for it.

Is it a Pickens thing, or this is always who Russ was?

It doesn't help, but I was waiting for this. I mean, it was the first bad hustle and bustle game we've seen in a while. He fumbled He's about to go to the goal line, then he threw that bad pick at the end there.

Two terrible plays.

But honestly, the thing that makes them, just like everyone else, if they're going to give up 220 rushing yards, I mean, I know it's Derek Henry, but that defense can't take weeks off. That's for sure. Otherwise, you're going to look at 34-17 every week.

Yeah, I agree. I just feel like with Pickens, I'm not willing to make a definitive anything on them until Pickens is back. I want to see what that looks like. He claims he's going to play Wednesday.

Yeah.

Pittsburgh has to win out of there, the five seed. The other team is Houston, who I thought was on pace to maybe win that KC game. That tank down injury was one of the worst injuries in a while. It seemed like it sucked the life out of game. It sucked the life out of them. All of a sudden, they only had one receiver. But it felt like they had a real chance to win that game. I like the way their defense was playing. After that, it was like, They're not going to win this.

You know what? I think they're mid-carters. Who's a good Wwe comp from the '80s? Like David Bruno. Tito Santana. Tito Santana. All right. Yeah. On his way down, I would say. Santana. Cowboy Bob Orton, somewhere in there. Because that's perfect what Right there. But yeah, that injury was awful. Valvinas? Yeah. Vita Vey? I don't know. No, but that was an awful injury. It was gross. It was a lot of emotion. Then the sadness turned to outright hate when Fairborn missed that extra point, which basically took another day. I know.

He had ice for a half hour.

Yeah, that was it.

We had those two games. We had terrible college football games, but we had the fight was awesome.

Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

Both of had a lot of money on Usik. After round five, I was super worried because it felt like Furi had put on so much weight. It just felt like he was too big. It felt like he had somehow stayed in enough shape to battle Usik, and it felt like Usik could not figure it out. Then, of course, he figured it out.

When Fury came out with those trunks and they were so high, they were just right under the nipples. And you're like, Oh, yeah, he's high He's hiding that gut. But he kept coming at him. I hadn't seen heavyweights like that, where usually you're going to get clenches for half the round. You got one or two per round. Those guys were just thrown at each other. Yeah.

And Fury was and not to be leaned on, be trapped against the ropes. He was always trying to stay in the middle moving around.

Could we see it again? I know he's beaten at place, but it's weird because neither guy was rocked to a point where, oh, man, he's really in trouble. And I'm going to fight, I don't think. But I'd love to see it again. Why not? Just keep fighting.

It was great. I would watch Usik fight anybody. I really love how he changes his style depending on who he's going against. He'll go back and forth in South Palm, Larry Larry. He's always up to shit. What about Drake May?

Would you want him to fight Drake May?

I think he would beat him.

I think you believe that, too. Kyle, come on.

Come on. Jake May is a little brother. He got beaten up by his brothers his entire childhood.

Does Drake May be sick in a fight, Kyle?

I love Drake May. I am happy to die in this hill.

Good. I am happy. We have a guy. I'll tell you the best funeral.

Remember when Dak was Did you get good those first couple of games with Dallas, and you were like, fuck, Dak might actually be good. And you just slowly realized, oh, we have a guy.

Yeah, but it was an angry guy. I was such a Romo guy there. And he won when he beat Pittsburgh. That's true. That was It was like an Angelina Anaston thing. Yeah, my hormones were way out of whack that season.

Couple of random observations for you. Brian Thomas Jr.

Yeah, really good.

I think he's the best rookie receiver. The stuff he's doing in these games with the quarterbacks he's had and the amount of times he's been withdrawn and all the different things they ask him to do, he's just terrifying. I I feel like he's a top seven receiver now. If we're doing fantasy again right now, I think he's one of the first seven.

He's stuck on a bad team, I think, right now, but I was looking at his comps against Malik Nabors this year. Nabors has been out a bunch, but still has more catches and not nearly as many yards or touch downs or anything else. The guy just knows how to get open. I was looking at these odds. It doesn't matter if Jaden Daniels is going to win, but I I think it's a handful of guys who are second. You could put Bowers, you could put Bucky Irving, you could put Brian Thomas Jr. Right in there, I think, for a second.

Thomas Jr. Has to have that degree of difficulty of how bad his quarterbacks have been. I don't know. I'd love to see a montage of how many times he's been wide open and somebody threw it over his head. But it's at least four times that I can remember watching. But he went 23rd, so.

Yeah, right.

And Adunze went over him. Nabors went him. Marvin Harrison went over him. There was three teams that needed a receiver, and then he dropped, and he dropped. If you go look at the little pocket of players, all the players are good, like Jared Verste, you go on through. But I was like, God damn, I wish the Pats had traded up for him or somebody. Imagine if KC had traded up for him. He was right in that zone where it would have been pretty easy to move up five, six spots and grab him. But he just seems like he's a home pick for them.

It's hard. I'm not going to say it's hard to pick then a quarterback, but some of these guys are in such spread, weird offenses in college. It's tough to see what she's going to translate, even with pro days and timing and everything else. But Yeah, he was a steal.

I will say Van Lathen, an LSE fan who watched him there, was adamant that he was going to be awesome. He was like, I don't understand why he's the fourth guy and how did they decide that he was just the fourth best I had all these guys? The guy was incredible in college.

Right.

Jared got 33 touch downs this year. Wanted to mention that. Touchdown passes. Outside chance for 40.

Donald at 32? Is it 33 to 32? I mean, that could be a good week 18. That would be fun.

I was just thinking that's one of the great random trades of this century, that Stafford golf trade, how it rejuvenated the... I know people have talked about it a million times, but Goff just being miles, leaps and bounds better than you ever could have expected if you're the alliance and you're getting him. Then Stafford wins the Super Bowl. But imagine me telling you three years ago, Goff is going to be the quarterback on a team that's 13 and 2, and he's going to have 33 countdown passes with two weeks to go. You'd have been like, What?

I would. Well, you told me the same thing about Mac Jones, and I didn't believe you. But yeah, no, you're right. No, if anything else, we could stop the golf in cold weather, can't get it done thing. He's now done it in Green Bay. He's done it in Chicago. This was an easy trap game, as bad as Chicago has been, and they're butchering him.

I wrote down, Caleb has replaced Kyler as the new king of Garbage Time?

Yeah, maybe.

Down 20, the fucking lights it up. Look out. Here comes Caleb.

I want him to break the record. Nobody's sacking him enough anymore. It's going to be David Kahr's He has like 60. He needs 70. David Kahr is going to be popping the champagne in yet another year. He has a franchise record. He has a franchise record for Sacks. If they told the bear, it's like, Hey, this quarter best, Caleb Williams, he's going to set a franchise record this year. You'd be like, Oh, this is great. Really? Franchise record? Terrific. Hundreds of years.

Pennex? Looked fine. Yeah. He's okay. You know what? He can move unlike her cousins.

He was, what was he, 18 for 27, 202? I bet, maybe you think this is a dumb bet anyway. I bet no interceptions because I thought they were going to put kid gloves on him. It was going to be a lot of Bijan going to be a lot of screen passes. And that fucking Kyle Pitz. Oh, would he throw- The worst player in NFL history. And it doesn't even count as a fumble because he catches the ball and bats it right to the defender. He even drops the ones he catches, not called fumbles. Drafted fourth overall. That's a bad pick. That's the worst.

I would have been more outraged about that, but the Patriots have done that to Drake May four times this year where they've caught the ball and then just whipped it to the other team. That should have a name when a guy does that. It shouldn't count as an interception for the quarterback. It should be like a team interception or something.

It's not good. It's the pits for sure. That said, Falcon's defense was the add drop of the decade. Anyone who had the Falcon's defense, picked them up Thursday, Friday. Good job by you. You won your fantasy week.

Last thing I had before I guess the Alliance, Ricky Henderson.

Great met.

Ahead of his time, would have been really great with the internet. Like social media, he would have been a whole other level of famous, notorious, everything. I remember doing the Unintentional Comedy rating, doing that whole... He was one of the One of the unintentionally funiest athletes we've ever had. He was also great to watch. There was nobody like him. He was way ahead of his time with the on base, steels, power, all the stuff we knew in the 21st century mattered, but we didn't really know in the previous century. And in person was one of the seven or eight most memorable baseball players I ever went to see in person, right? Is this the same for you?

Terrific. One of the most entertaining, obviously, the fastest you've seen, headfirst, sliding, just taking the base off, just holding the base over his head. We just don't see it anymore because no one's breaking the records like he does. But yeah, I think you're right about the social media. He would be just what Major League Baseball needed. For Mike Trout, you He didn't get any good sound bites at all. Ricky Henderson would be all over. He would be basically Yogi Berra from 2000, right? And before.

The third person stuff was so fucking funny with him. Other people have done it. He did the best. I remember I went to Yankee Stadium once with a couple of my high school friends, and we sat in the left field bleachers. He was playing left field. It was like late '80s. He'd run out every evening. Our whole section was just screaming, Ricky, Ricky, trying to get him to turn around. He came out every ending for five, six innings, and he wouldn't turn around. We're just, yeah, we're drinking. We're like, Ricky, come on, Ricky. One time, Ricky. He's just stonewalling us.

Nothing?

Then the sixth ending, we're like, Ricky, Ricky. Then finally, he turned around, huge smile on his face and tipped his hat. But we had been doing it for two hours. We were like, What was the tipping point for him? We couldn't have done that in the third heading. But it was so much fun to just watch him walk around, interact with people.

Yeah. Well, there was nobody like him. His hearing was very bad, so maybe he just didn't notice it.

He put his hearing in.

He was so much fun.

What a bummer. I felt like he was on a lot of teams, too. He was in the Red Sox.

He was. You do Immaculate Grid.

He was on the Mets and Yankees.

You can aim him out Immaculate Grid with him all over the place. Yeah.

We had a fun year with him just watching him. He was an older version of himself. All right, guess the lines. What's the score?

Let's do it. You're up 871 heading into week 17. Yeah, 871.

I don't know if you know this, but there's Christmas Day this year on Wednesday. Are they really?

Yeah. What? I mean, CBS, NBC?

No, Netflix.

What? The one where you mail in the DVDs and you get them back? How is that going to work?

20 people doing the two games? Pretty much everybody.

It's a lot. It's your nightmare. You hate that.

Well, it seems like they're only going to have four or five people on the thing. But the good news for them is Nothing can be worse than Jack Collinsworth interviewing Tony Dungey. What is that segment? Why doesn't Jack Collinsworth get to make points? Just like, Tony, what do you think about their defense? Well, I guess- So you're just setting them up for questions?

Like a fan can do that. Yeah, it's weird. Tony Dungy just asked himself the question, so I guess that's how it has to be.

That would be amazing.

You'll learn a lot from this guy, Jack. Just ask them anything.

The Catboys just play. That's the greatest game I've ever seen, Jack. Let's get a drink.

I can watch these two teams play till March.

Secondary. Christmas Day, Chiefs at Stealers. So spoiler alert, I have home underdogs for both games. Chiefs at Stealers. I have Chiefs by two and a half in Pittsburgh.

Here's where the Netflix cheating begins. I had three. It is two and a half, exactly.

Should be two and a half. You're being Seconds back for this game. Super winnable game for the Stealers.

This is a good one. Which NBA game is this up against? You're not going to watch any NBA, are you?

I might sneak a little. I don't know what the NBA is doing with the scheduling. Three games today. God forbid, they had a game going against Cincinnati and Dallas on Sunday night, a game that literally meant nothing. God forbid, they had one game going against that.

They wouldn't do No, didn't make sense.

They're intentionally shooting themselves in the foot.

Or your Celtics play at 2:00, our time, so you should be good.

It's a bored Celtics team. Just waiting to get to April now. The Celtics are, anytime they're favored by 10 and up against anybody, you got to be careful. Just don't know. That first Bulls game they played, I know in the first quarter, I'm like, Oh, it's one of these games.

Okay, I got it. Well, let me know because I'll live bet against them.

I know you won't, but just send me a little text. We'll split that. Tate has been great. Next one is Ravens@houston. No Dinkdale, no Stefan Diggs.

Mid-cartier's, Salvatore Balomo. Here we go.

Salvatore Balomo. Sd Jones, Ivan Putsky.

I He's perfect, actually.

I have the Ravens by two and a half.

All right, that's exactly what I had. It is three and a half.

It's tough one.

I'd be surprised if Baltimore- What's the bet? For Wednesday? Celtics? No. Man, I like both favorites. We do.

I like the Steelers and the T's. Thursday. We have two Wednesday games, and then somehow they're like, Let's also have a Thursday game.

Yeah, barely.

Seahawks at the bears. I have another road favorite. I have Seahawks by two and a half.

I changed this. I had three and a half. I changed it to four and a half. We're going to split it. It is three and a half. I went four and a half.

Thank God they fired Matt Iberflus.

What a freaking disaster.

That fixed it.

It really is something.

Sunday Marquee. This is a really good game. Vikings packers in Minnesota. It's one of the five best games of the year.

Really good.

I had the Vikings by two because I don't think... I think people, there's a shred of doubt, which even you have. It should be a three, but I'm going to say Vikings by two.

I had three and a half. I still need some convincing that it shouldn't be. You're right. It's one and a half. You get it.

What did you guess?

I had three and a half.

Oh, Jesus.

What do you mean Jesus?

No, people like this packers thing. I know. They have to- One and a half is like that's an even field line now. That means if it was in Green Bay, it would be Green Bay by one of them.

It shouldn't be. It shouldn't be. Packers off a short week and Vikings. Don't get me wrong, I'm going to take the packers after all this nonsense talk.

People like the packers. Wow. So Stealers packers is a tease. I'm going to look at that one. Watchables. I got four, and it's mostly playoff related. Chargers at the Pats because the chargers need it. I think it's a game to watch. It'll also be fun because Jake May is really good at football. You'll enjoy watching him. Jake May fans.

It's a Saturday game, Saturday morning, right, for us?

Oh, you're right. It's a Saturday game.

It's three Saturday games.

See, I didn't mark down my Saturday games.

That screws you up. That screws you up, buddy. I win the week. That's the thing. I win the week. It's like you're not signing your golf card at the end. No, no, no. That's fine.

Chargers, Pats, I have the Chargers by four in New England.

I get this. I said six and a half, and it's five and a half. That's stupid.

It's too high. I like the pats.

No.

You've seen their The problem for the pats in this game is they had the lad, McConkey, pick number 34, traded backwards three spots to 37 to take Polk. Then with the fourth rounder they got, they took Baker, and McConkey on Thursday night had more yards in that game than those two guys had the entire season.

Polk was good, though. Shit.

Yeah, Polk lost his confidence. It was good. I don't know what happened. Next Saturday game is Bengals-Broncos. This is in Cincinnati. I think there's going to be a little irrational Bengals love that pushes this line over three to three and a half. Bengals by three and a half.

All right. Well, I was way irrational here. I said five and a half. It's three. Nobody trusts. Fandle does not trust the Bengals at all. This does feel like a- That's a Saturday game, too, by the way.

I'm on it. Okay.

All right.

I didn't realize that I actually did this correctly because the third one I have, I just wrote down Watchables, and I meant to write down Saturday. Because the other one is Ram's Cardinals, which is also a pretty good game.

Yeah.

Although the cards have been eliminated. It's in LA, and I'm going to say Ram's by four and a half.

It's Ram's. I got this exactly. It's five and a half. Oh.

That's fair. Notice I'm on with these I'm very close. This is usually a good sign for my betting.

The Cardinals beat them 41-10 in September?

Yeah, that was when the Rams were all banged up, though. Jeez. Fairly watchables. Tampa Bay Bucaneer Home for the Carolina Panthers in a game that I think is almost guaranteed to be Joe House's Underdog Money Line Special on the Ringer Sunday pregame.

He shouldn't do it.

Lock it down. I have Bucks by 8.

You're going to get this. I said nine and a half. Why is it nine and a half? It's eight and a half. No, I did get it. Teaser. They played what? Two weeks ago, three weeks ago?

I don't think I would tease Tampa because I didn't love their defense. That was another iffy game for them. Okay, next Fairly Watchable. Dolphins at Cleveland.

What does Fairly mean anymore? I got to look up Fairly.

Well, it's an important game for the Dolphins. The Browns are always a dumpster fire. It's cold weather. Miles Garrett. This game could go in a lot of directions. I have Dolphins by six and a half.

I get this. I said six. It is Five and a half. 6 to 5, you're up.

That would be a nice little cold weather test for the Dolphins if it's cold.

Yeah.

Right? Let's see what you guys have.

Is there a team, a quarterback bad enough that you could win whether a The temperature doesn't matter. It's interesting.

Is there another quarterback they can play? Are they down the road with Thompson Robinson? Is there anybody else?

They're talking about signing him for next year already. I was looking into this. Keeping them around.

Eagles Cowboys in Philly. I would have said 10 and a half before what I watched today. Now, I'm going to say nine.

Yeah, you're going to get it anyway. I said eight and a half. It is 10 and a half. You could have stuck there. Jesus.

That's too high.

34.6, they beat us in November.

That's too high, especially because I'm not convinced Hertz plays next week. Are you?

Well, is it going to be a dependent neurologist or an independent neurologist that tests us? We shouldn't make jokes. I don't know. Is this his first, though, right? Is this his first concussion?

But But the game doesn't 100% matter for them. Why wouldn't they take it easy with them and just play pick it for a week? Yeah, it's true.

They like beating the cowboys. That's why.

Four poopfecta games. Bills, Giants, and Buffalo. I got Bills by 12.5. Bills, Jets. Bills, Jets. My bad. Bills minus 12 and a half against the Jets.

No. I had 10. It's nine and a half.

Too low.

Let's take that. Let's figure something out with It feels like a three-team seven-pointer.

Yeah. Saints Home for the Raiders. Awful game. I have the Saints by two and a half. Jerk.

I had three. It is two and a half.

Colts at the Giants. What's crazy is I don't think the Giants can be getting under a countdown against anybody at this point who's half decent to somewhat crappy, which is the Colts are in there. No, they can.

No, go You should guess under. Guess under a countdown.

I got Colts minus 8. Shit.

I said 6. It's seven and a half. You got it.

I'm on this week, so.

Damn. Hold on. Let me count. Can I even win? You're done. Seven 8, 9, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. You're right. I'm down three with three left.

Jag's home for the Titans. I got Jag's minus one and a half. I think this is a neutral field line.

Man, I can't believe how much I'm losing by half a point here. I said two. It is one and a half.

I'm on it today.

Really? It's like when the Patriots were cheating at their best, the spy cams and everything, stealing signs, everything Working that. That's fine.

You say what you need to say to help yourself.

It's what you got. Thank you.

I mean, we agreed that minus one and a half is the neutral field line, right?

I know. They shouldn't even have a line on this.

Are the Jags one iota better than the Titans or vice versa? They both suck. I mean, That's a neutral field line.

Then it was 10:06 a couple of weeks ago.

Sunday night, Washington, home for the Falcons. It's a good game.

Does it mean anything for the Washington? I know there's a 3% chance they don't make it or something, but that that shutdown now, that really did kill me.

Does it mean anything? Let me see.

No, they could still, I think, be out.

No, Seattle or Atlanta. The Seattle-Atlanta combo could catch them, right? You could get a three-way tie at 10 and seven. I guess that's what it would be. Maybe it's bad for them. If they had clinched, we would have heard that they clinched.

Right. No, I know. I saw Corenacki said they had 92.

Oh, and by the way, they're playing Atlanta, which is one of the teams that could catch them. Washington minus three and a half is my guess.

I get this. I said four, it's four and a half. But I think that's a little high.

That's too high.

Atlanta has Kyle Pitz, though.

They factored in the Kyle Pits team interception. Last one, Monday night, a game that I guarantee they were thinking was going to be fucking awesome. Detroit at San Francisco. This was like ESPN. It was probably one of their first draft picks when they draft what games they want to have for Monday night.

The NFC Championship.

Probably a top three game, right? Oh, yeah. Let's put that December. The Monday after Christmas, Lion's Niners. That's going to be one of our best games. We'll have an awesome manning cast. Well, the joke's on you because this game is going to suck. Lions minus six and a half is my guess.

Wow. I said five and a half. It is three and a half, Bill.

Oh, my Lord.

Wait, did I maybe six, eight, Three. Yeah, I want it. No, you want. 10, 8.

What? Three and a half. What's the explanation for that? The lions need the game. They're trying to get the one seed. How does Does that make sense?

Is this a get-right game for the Niners offense? If the lines are that banged up, now have to travel?

I'm in an unbelievable hedge situation with the lines, one seed if they win that game. Because we We have a lot of one seed money. We had them at 6:00 to 1:00. They're going to be home for Minnesota week 18. Right. Yeah, sure. If they win, they get the one seed. If they lose, they don't get the one seed. We'll be able to take the Minnesota money line and just walk away with a profit. And yet we won't do it because we're going to have that heat moment where you do the Tom Seismar and you go, For me, the action is the juice. Let's ride the lions. And all of a sudden, we're riding the lions. That's how it's going to play out.

I like that movie a lot, and I like where you're coming from. Should we bet the Vikings this week? Isn't that the same thing?

Well, the parlay would be they'd have to beat Green Bay and Detroit.

Yeah, but if they lose this game- But with the odds wouldn't be...

I don't feel like the odds are worth how hard that's going to be to do that. All right. Do they have the odds? I'm going on Fandil now.

For the division?

Yeah.

Minus 290 for Detroit plus 240 for the Vikings. I guess we could just do that. You can't be the one seed, not win the division, right?

Another interesting thing that happened with speaking of Fandil, do you see the MVP ads? I have not looked. Because Allen wasn't awesome today. Yeah. It's down to minus 450.

Right.

They're playing... Who did we say they're playing this week? The Jets. They're playing the Jets. And then week 18 Pats, he might not even play. Then Lamar is playing on Christmas, trying to get the two-seater, three-seater.

Lots of eyeballs there. Yeah.

So Lamar is plus 380 now for MVP.

He'll have to win the division, right? So he has to lucky and have big games.

I think if he's incredible on Christmas, it's in play. But Alan was 9:00 to 1:00 Thursday, now he's minus 4:50.

Yeah. He threw an interception, God forbid. That's good. That's a good battle, I think.

Then make the playoff's odds. Then we have- Then we have- Cincinnati is 22 to 1 not to make the playoff.

Wait a minute. That went up from this morning?

If you bet them to make the playoff, it's plus 10:40.

It was 6:80. They have a worse shot now, I guess because the Colts and Dolphins. You know why?

Because of the Colts and Dolphins. Yeah.

Wow. Numbers are fun. Yeah, the Colts are plus 390 and the Dolphins are plus 820.

In Denver, it's minus 280.

So the Colts need Denver to lose to Cincinnati, and then they need to win their last two, which you said were very easy, right? Who was it? The Raiders?

Yeah, but they're the Colts. I know. They really are. They just loves to throw. They're playing the Giants, so they'll win next week. But then they're home against the Jags. I guess that's pretty easy. They're playing, those might be two of the three worst teams in the league.

Yeah, the Jags will try, though. So Indy That's a fun one.

Yes, plus 390. Denver has... Denver is at Cincinnati Home KC. Why are they favored?

I go back and forth as to who that's going to matter for. Well, now it's going to matter for Denver, right? Is Denver in if they win?

I think they have to win the last two.

They have to win both. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Interesting.

Then we have conference.

I think Denver would only have to win one, Simmons, because that minus 280 It wouldn't be minus 280 if they have to win both. Would it be?

Yeah, maybe they have to win one and then all the other variables if anyone loses anything. They have one seed bets on Fandle, Detroit's minus 310, Minnesota is plus 310. Eagles are 17 to one. They're not winning. So we could hedge right now with the Vikings plus 310 if we wanted to. Plus 310? For me, the action is the juice.

That's it, Billy Size I like it. We're staying put.

What do you think, Rahim? The bank is worth the risk. Raheem is threatening to go in another cold funk, by the way. I'm worried about him.

What do you mean?

He lost a couple of bets. He was all upset in the text thread.

Yeah, that's all right. He's in Vegas. He'll be fine. He's in Vegas for three and a half weeks. What could go wrong?

What could go wrong? We'll see him for a round one in my house. Yeah, I don't know what shape he's going to be in mentally, what shape JJ is going to be in. What if we get Dolphins in round one?

Oh, yeah. We should start Roon for the Dolphins now. That's what we need.

Rudy says the Broncos only have to win one of the next two to get in, which we probably should have known.

Minus two-eight.

That's at Cincy, home KC.

Well, they're only a three-point underdog at that, at Cincy, so they're right there.

What do you got for Parent Corner?

Parent Corner. All right. So I mean, you would thank you for checking up on me there Saturday. It did turn out my son did not have a ring worm, so we did have to go to the tournament. I had to drive him to get weighed in because the team doesn't have busses. At 07:00 AM, sat in my car. I bet EPL, like a lunatic. Tournament started at 9:30. All these games going on. It was supposed to be... Luckily, the games weren't great, but I still had to watch wrestling till 07:00 PM. So my car from 7:00 AM to 2:00 PM.

The fight was at 1:30.

It was 2:30. I got home just in time for it. But you and I were talking about this, and I feel like we should go further with it. I think you said something like, We do these things why so that our kids don't abandon us later in life when we need them.

Oh, you want to talk? This is the depressing text thread we had.

It was, but I think we should make it official. I don't know what we call this, but we should make agreements with our kids.

It's It's layaway plans.

Is it layaway?

Yeah. When we get old and we're dying and they're taking care of us, if they complain at all, we're like, I was at that fucking wrestling tournament for you in year 15. I wasted my whole Saturday. It was a great sports day. You're going to go get me a glass of water now.

I like it, but I wonder if we present it right away. Right when they move out, when they're 18 years old, you have a list, a scroll of stuff. I don't know if we call it a parental prenup or kinsurance, maybe. And you just show your kid.

Kinsurance.

Kinsurance. That's what it is.

You have to take care of me.

Yeah. It's like, hey, remember you got a D in geometry? And I found out and you told your mother you got a C. And well, I never said anything. So you have to shop for me when I'm old. And remember, I took you to wrestling tournaments in Orange County at 6:00 AM all throughout the fall. And I don't watch Penn State. I had thousands of dollars on a teaser. Also, for your benefit, on my phone from the smelly bleachers, you're going to wipe me when I I turn 80, all right? If I bail you out of juvenile detention, you're building a ramp in my house when I can't walk up the stairs. I think we should have to lay it out for these kids as we're... It's not like, All right, plus you get money, whatever, if I pass on. But I think this needs to be an official thing.

Cinsurance.

Cinsurance.

So your dad, if he had played the Cinsurance card a couple of years ago, is anything different? You're spending more time with him on the weekends?

I would never see him after he turned 50. No, that's not fair.

You feel like I've lost your insurance papers.

No. He's like the Dallas Cowboy. He's like, You know what? Why couldn't you be good early in the season, early in my life? Why are you turning it on now as a grandparent? No, I shouldn't say that. He's a great dude. Insurance.

Why are you trying to finish 9:00 and 8:00?

What would you say to Ben? What would you present to Ben?

I'm lying for Ben tonight. He's got girls over, and he's like, Don't tell mom. I'm All right, I won't tell her. There you go. I'm on a live YouTube. I guess I said something. There you go.

He's got to take you to the Celtic state.

I'm going to invite people over while my dad's doing a podcast in a different room in the house.

Perfect.

Yeah, it's great. In fact, we probably should wrap it up soon. Yeah, I'm going to cash it on my kid insurance.

I love it. I think you just said yours. It's better than that. He's got girls over right now.

My My stepmom, who has been in my life since the mid '80s. The whole time when we met her, she was like a young... When my dad met her, she was a young doctor. Doing the crazy hours, like you would see on the Grey's Anatomy, just like nuts. Then eventually, got better and better head of practice. She's been delivering babies, doing all kinds of stuff, OB-JYN, forever. This is This is the end of the year. She's done, retiring. Really? Oh, wow. That's it. Great career. Nice. Saw a lot of female body parts.

Delivered a lot of babies. Not as many as been, but yeah, somewhere.

It's It's a weird thing because Zoe had a playoff game a month ago, and the coach came over, the other team, for the game. My stepmother was like, Oh, I delivered her baby. She just runs into these people who she's delivered babies and done the most intimate doctor-patient things. It was like, Oh, this is Jessica. I've delivered three of her kids. Anyway, she's wrapping it up. I thought, since this is a nice moment, I would tell a story about my stepmother. But I don't know if I've done much on Parent Corner, who doesn't like to be talked about at all and is probably mortified right now. When I was going to college in Worcester, but then I was living in Boston, I would go hang out with my dad and we would watch sports. We'd go watch like, sell at the game, football game. I would just go over, we'd get dinner, and she would always be on call. And part of the reason I would be over is like, oh, we'll watch sports. Molly's not going to be home. She wouldn't want to watch. Her car, you would see they had this driveway in front of where the TV was in the window.

There would be a minute left and be like, tie a game. We'll be back after this to see what happens with Larry Bird and the Celtics. And then the headlights would be in the driveway and it would be like, oh, she's home. Then she would come in and my dad would have to talk to her about her day as the last minute of these games. I used to think it was the funniest thing ever. I was like, Oh, my God. Uncanny timing for showing up anytime there's a big moment. I thought it was a couple-time coincidence thing, but it became something that happened all the time. I I was telling my buddy Gus about this, and he had the same thing with his wife, where he'd be watching a Mets game and she'd come home with the groceries. Oh, my God, I got to tell you a story. I think some people have this power and other people don't, where they show up at the perfectly wrong time of the game. I was like, well, when I get married, that's never going to happen to me. Then I met my wife. Same thing. Shows up, comes home right there in these huge moments.

Do you think some people just have these powers? It's like a magnet? Because my stepmother, I feel like, invented it.

I think 30, 40 years ago, it's more of a power. Now, you and I watch sports all the time, so it's going to be- Do you think we would even phase us because sports is on all the time? But also our TV breaks in the four bot. There's always going to be something interesting that they're going to walk in on.

We can pause it.

Right. What I want to know is maybe, like a fox, she's been hanging out in the driveway listening to the Celtics game.

Oh, waiting to fuck with us? Waiting, yes. Oh, that's interesting.

She's a bigger Celtic I wouldn't be surprised. Than you are, it turns out. She's actually roots harder than you.

I wouldn't be surprised.

She's the greatest practical joker of all time. I like that.

Her favorite Celtic was Robert Parrish. Nice. Still wears the Parrish Jersey or the KG He was in the games. When my dad met her, she didn't know anything about sports. Nothing, didn't have a TV. And now has this whole Celtic sister. Anyway. That's great. Dr. Molly Clark, hanging it up. End of the year. Great job by her.

Great job by you, Dr. Molly Clark.

A lot of deliveries, a lot of vaginas.

She delivered 14 of Tiny Archibald's babies.

Calvin Murphy.

No idea.

What do you got for the holidays? How many people?

Well, we got a Ringer Free game show next Sunday. I don't know if I mentioned, I'm 14 and 2 with my wisest wager against the Lods. You didn't mention that. 14 and 2. I didn't. I should mention it now. 14 and freaking 2. That's pretty good. Christmas games we'll talk about on against the LODs, the NBA picks. We got a lot for you. There, that's it. Just sticking around. What do you got?

How many people?

How many people for Christmas?

How many people during those two Christmas games? How many people are you going to have to navigate?

Nine.

That's not bad.

Nine. Yeah, not too bad.

You know It's interesting. The games are earlier.

Yeah, right.

Because they wanted to get them on in Europe. The first game is at 10:00. It's almost like Thanksgiving times. Then the second one is at 1:30. There's no night game.

I think Thanksgiving is a bigger pain to ask to navigate because you have that hour. You actually have to sit at a table. Christmas, you have the same thing, but the opening gifts doesn't take forever anymore, does it?

Well, we don't have little kids anymore.

Well, how long did you knock even so?

Was it an hour? The little kids part, though, that's like in the morning, you open, you take the pictures, and then at 10:00, you're like, All right, I'll see you guys later. My home's is on. It's tough. It's a tough one to pull off.

I need a wife who delivers babies or something so she can go and I'll let her know when to come in.

A lot of babies. They name babies after her? That's great. Hundreds of Mollies in the New England area because everybody likes her.

Amazing. Good job.

Hanging it up. Speaking of hanging it up, we're hanging up the podcast. Thanks to Kyle and Sareuti and Gehow. Sal, I'm going to be back with the rewatchables on Monday, and then I'm not going to be back on this podcast until Thursday. What's your schedule going to be?

I don't care about your other podcast. No, against all odds, you'll hear it Tuesday morning. We'll do it right after the Monday night game. Like I said, Ringer pregame show on Sunday. Check it out. All right.

Good job by you. Happy holidays. Merry Christmas.

Yeah.

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