Transcript of Jason Kelce, Chris Berman, Super Bowl 59, NBA Trade Deadline + Fyre Fest From New Orleans

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Max Week.

The finale of Max Week. We are finally here. Super Bowl 59. Max.

Max.

How you feeling, big guy?

I feel good. I haven't. I don't feel too much different from Monday until now. I still feel confident. I'm still scared of Patrick Mahomes. I still think we're going to win the football game.

Yeah. Yeah. Have you. Have you? When are you going to ramp up the partying? What a noise. It's a tough question.

Sounds like a bird.

No, I still have to edit tonight, so I'll probably dip my toes in tonight and then tomorrow. Tomorrow it's tomorrow. It's full go.

It's full go from Friday morning to Sunday night, Friday afternoon, hopefully.

Hopefully till Monday morning.

Hopefully till Tuesday. The parade. What if Lane Johnson gets you in a parade?

I mean, that's not gonna happen.

Why not?

Max did.

Or.

I think Big Dom could get you in a parade.

Big.

Maybe Big Dom.

I mean, this isn't crazy.

I'm just thinking of. I'm just comparing it to. Blaine Johnson doesn't like me. Like Missoula likes, like Big Dom. Big Dom does. Big Don is. Big Dom is my paisan.

Do you think it's a little like you're jinxing a little thinking about the parade?

You asked me a question. I answered the question.

But you were thinking about the Super Bowl.

Not until you Asked me the question. Right.

But I. You eventually, like you just started thinking about the parade.

I hadn't. It literally hadn't crossed my mind until you said that.

What's your locks level?

Locked. I need to get more locked.

Yeah.

My brain has been slipping this week.

Have you broken down film? Do you have keys to the game win?

Yeah.

This is brutal.

You want to know how locked in I am?

Yeah.

What were my keys to the game against the Commanders?

I think it was winning.

What. What happened?

You won.

You won. What are my keys to the game plan?

Yeah.

Don't you.

Don't you think the Chiefs know that game plan now? Like the blueprints out.

You.

You can't stop winners or not the chief.

I want you to.

I want you to tell me how you stop winning.

Because if the Chiefs have been watching film, they know what your keys to the game are from week, and they can counter that.

That's a great point. They can win harder, by the way. Pft. You look great.

I should have said that.

I should have said that to start.

I feel great.

You look incredible.

I went out, picked up some. Some new threads. Feel pretty good about it. I got some new shoes. Apparently you don't wear socks with shoes anymore, so. I'm not wearing socks.

Okay.

And then socks are out. Plaid pants. Then I got every country in the world. I have a world map. Which our sound guy very astutely pointed out. Like, this is just the. The country equivalent of my NFL shirt.

Yes.

That I was wearing.

Yes.

He was right on the money.

And the kangal hat.

And the kangal hat.

The kangal hat is awesome. It does tie it all together.

I. I got in here and Hank instantly got jealous. Oh, you turned sour immediately.

Yeah.

No, I just said you look. What time's your tea time?

That's very funny.

Huh. Well, you're. I mean, you're still.

You also made fun of Hank. You were like, you're dressed like a five year old.

He's a five year old.

He's wearing off white shoes and a kit.

And a kit shirt, which kind of.

So it's like.

Kid is cool.

It was you trying to flex on him. Significantly cooler than you.

Not significantly cooler than I would say.

I would say Hank is dressed cooler. Pft is a hundred times swaggier.

Hank looks like a drug dealer in 1989. That's what he looks like.

I look like a. Yeah.

No, I don't think so.

Okay. I just realized what I said. Fair point.

He looks like a drug dealer in 2020.

5 Scarface. Yeah, you look like he should be in Scarface as like. Yeah, that's not a bad thing, but like 1989. Whatever.

You're stealing all the swag. How about this?

We both look.

Listen, for the very first time, I went out and I. I spent money on clothes today for the low cost. $3,000. Put this outfit together and I feel good about it.

I don't. I think you're serious.

I am serious.

No way.

Those shoes might be expensive.

Max asked me what kind of shoes these are. I said brown.

Brown.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Anyone want to mention, like 300? Anyone want to mention my.

No, I don't think you're serious.

Black T shirt.

No, this is a nice black T shirt.

Thank you. Appreciate.

I appreciate it.

I. I picked this out today when I was looking at the seven black T shirts I packed.

But let's not let Max off the hook, because I don't think you. You're not dialed.

No, he's not dialed.

No, I'm not.

He's loose right now, and it's in a. Loose in a bad way. Are you worried about Jaylen Carter being sick?

Who's sick for five days? He'll be fine.

A lot.

Magic Johnson.

Yeah, fair.

Also, the entire Eagles locker room, they. They might be sick too. There's worries that it's spreading through the locker room.

It's probably food poisoning.

Okay.

It's probably. It's probably the bus.

Still not good. You still don't feel like if you have food poisoning on Thursday, you're not gonna feel 100% on Sunday?

Will literally ran a 4. 912 hours removed from food poisoning.

Okay, that also might have been just hungover.

Nah, that was food poisoning.

All right, so you're not dialed. Not locked in.

I'm not gonna say not dialed, but I'm. I'm going to leave room for improvement on the dial.

Okay. One thing I learned this week is.

The most dial I saw Max was when we were drunk on Monday.

So.

Yeah, once you get a couple drinks, you'll be back.

It's work.

This has been work week.

It has been work, Max.

It's really. Max weekend is when it's really going.

To turn into it.

So.

So, Max, Max, Monday.

If you don't have keys to the game, at least give me a. Show me the path. What's going to. What has to happen?

I've said the path.

What do the Eagles have to do?

Eagles, they don't need. They don't need to start hot because sometimes they don't start hot. They need to be. They don't. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes they're. They're a second half team. They need to be up two scores going into the fourth quarter. That's my key to the game.

Okay.

Would you say that being up two scores going in the fourth quarter, it would be easier to do that if you started hot.

Correct. But like the Chiefs can score first and we can still get to up two scores.

Okay, true.

Like that's what I'm saying.

You got to win the middle quarters.

You don't have to score first.

No, don't have to score first.

Second and third quarter, that's your time.

Yes.

The second, the middle four is huge.

Do you kick off or do you receive?

Kick off. Always our defense so good.

Do you have to score second?

No, we can score first.

No, no, but do you have to score? Do you like, could the chief score first and second?

Depends on the scores. If it's the field goal. Field goal.

Okay.

What about if it's touchdown field goal?

Yeah, touchdown field goal. I would not be feeling good.

Okay, here's the reality of the situation. A touchdown field goal, you can come back from 10 nothing. You can do that. But if you start out getting safetied and it's two nothing, that's game over.

That's a fact.

Yeah, safety would be tough.

2 nothing is absolutely. Just stop the game.

Max, is this a must win or can't lose?

This is a. This is a mustn't lose.

Okay.

Must not.

We must not lose.

I mustn't lose.

Have you thought about your pregame meal? Yes, of course. What do you mean, yes? I thought about your pregame.

Well, I thought stupidly and someone rightfully corrected me. I almost just tried to run it back and I was like, I should get Taco Bell before. And I was like, that's very stupid because we lost that Super Bowl. So I have thought about it, haven't answered it.

No decision.

It sounds like you've thought more about the parade than the pregame meal.

You asked me a question, right? I answered the question.

Have you thought about how many drinks you're going to have in your system at kickoff?

Great question.

No, that's. Oh, you got to know that.

You have to know that. Are we going like, what's the range that you're looking for? I.

That. That's a fluid situation. I got to see how it's not.

He's not bad. You have to have a plan. Yeah, he's going to be blacked out.

Yes, if you have no plan, you're planning on 20.

No. Truly's only.

Okay, okay.

You're gonna get unruly.

Yeah, I'm gonna be unruly. Okay, but respect. Responsibly. Unruly.

Yeah, you're responsibly, unruly. Have you and Roan talked about what time you're going to, like, start drinking on Sunday, going into the game?

No, we have not spoken about.

These are. These are the most important parts.

We are. I. I do think we're going to be with Lil Sass as well, but he's sitting by himself.

Okay.

So that's another thing.

But these are details you got to figure out.

It's. It's like, just like you're playing the game. You have to script the first 15 drinks.

Right?

And you also have to, like, what time are you gonna wake up on Sunday? Are you gonna sleep in? Are you gonna get, like, Are you gonna get to the game an hour early? What's. What's the plan? Not locked in.

No.

This is bad.

Good news is you can walk there. So, like.

Yeah, true.

I can walk there. I can walk back.

You're gonna put on the boot.

I'm gonna put on the boot.

I like that. That's good. We've got some preparation there.

Yeah, I'm putting on the boot.

But we don't know. Pregame meal. We don't know.

I think if you score first.

No, I can't do doing a shoey before. If they win. I promised if they win, a shoey.

Okay.

I would do a champagne chewy.

If they win, you have to think about your. Your night before meal too. Like, what's your. What's your dinner? What are you gonna load up on?

Seafood? Oysters?

Oysters.

No, I think I'm. I think come Saturday, no more seafood with. Because I don't want to risk the chance of poisoning going into. That's a really good idea going into the game.

So you got one detail set.

He's gonna.

He's not gonna eat combo on Saturday or.

Anyways, I like it. I mean, there's, you know, the. The gumbo yaya I could do.

Yeah, sausage, gumbo.

Sausage and chicken, but no seafood because we can't. We just can't be having food poisoning.

No, we can't.

Going into the big game, Eagles win.

Who's the mvp?

Who should.

The MVP should have been. If the Eagles win, I. You know what? I think it's going to be Jalen Hurst.

I agree with you. I think it has to be jail. I Think it's going to come down. I think the Chiefs. We're actually going to break down the game. Well, actually, let's do some national sports podcast stuff and then we'll break down the game a little bit with some props. Yeah.

I'll check out for a second parlay.

All right. Check out for. Well, we have some Sixers. National sports podcast news. Virginia McCaskey has passed away at the young age of 102.

Gone too soon.

RIP.

RIP.

That's kind of all I got right now.

Moment of silence.

Moment of silence. I felt good.

Her dying.

No, the moment of silence. Yes. It will be interesting to see what happens with the Bears ownership. She did get to see the. Her last game that she watched was the packers beating the Packers. That's pretty cool.

I think 102 is crazy. It is crazy. I don't. For the record, I do not want to be 102.

Yeah.

I never want to get there.

No, I don't either.

I feel like.

Like, unless I own an NFL team, then I do.

What if they suck?

I still would probably want to be 100.

You'd want to be 102 and then go through this season again.

Owning an NFL team would be sick, though.

It would.

Like. You don't want to die if you're owning an NFL team.

I don't want to be 102. Regardless.

Either way.

She obviously. Her father basically started the NFL. She was. Been the Bears owner for a long time. So she's sad. Well, it's not sad. It's 102. Unbelievable life. Incredible life lived. 102.

I mean, we're in New Orleans. They celebrate. They celebrate death.

Yeah.

They do a. A line. A funeral line.

I. I don't know what's going to end up happening with the Bears ownership, but it's not a time to think about that.

It does kind of rock.

Tomorrow's the time to think about that.

It does kind of rock that she said, like, yeah, I'll spend all my money on this new coach and then she doesn't have to actually do that.

Yeah.

That's the way to go.

Yeah.

When I'm like 95, I'm gonna make a major financial commitment and then load up on a huge batch of heroin.

Yes.

That's my plan.

Yeah. So, RIP Virginia McCaskey. 102.

Not a drug guy.

Not a drug guy. 102's nuts.

It is crazy.

Like, I still. So she was born in 1923.

Yeah.

Holy.

Saw World War II.

All of it.

The Great Depression, Great Dust Bowl. Wait, is she older than the Hoover dam? That's crazy.

Probably.

Yeah, she is.

She's older than highways. That's. That's. That's insane. She was older than highways.

I did appreciate in the. The right up.

What?

That's crazy.

That's. That's not computing into my. How is she older than.

Well, because there weren't two. There weren't a lot of cars.

Yeah.

Like invented highways.

Yeah, that's true.

So how did people get from one city?

There were roads, but like, in terms of like the. The full u. S. Highway system, that didn't happen until like right after the great depression. Yeah.

Is Route 60. Isn't that a highway?

Yeah, sure is.

The Hoover dam that was at.

After 1936 was the Hoover dam.

Yep.

Highways.

So she remembers the hoover dam being built us.

Yeah. On sign legislation. 1956, President Dwight Eisenhower signed legislation funding the construction of the u. S. Interstate highway system. Think about that. Max. She older than highways. That's insane.

Yep.

All right, should we talk some trade deadline? I did some winners and losers based on basically just vibes.

Okay.

So I got real no intel, by the way. Our NBA preview will be coming in two weeks, so Ryan Rosso will be on for that. We're gonna do a full NBA preview. It's about time for NBA to start. All right, you want my winners and losers real quick. And again, this is based off vibes. So people are going to be like, you don't know what you're talking about. You might know a little bit more memes. So you can correct me if I'm wrong on any of my winners and losers. All right. Winner, Lakers.

Yep.

Luca also Mark Williams. Even though he gets injured a bunch. They did need a big. That feels like a pretty good trade for them. They traded Dalton connect and a pick to the Charlotte hornets, which that was.

Basically a free roll because they should have been in the luca trade.

Correct. That was like. Oh, yeah, we. Yeah, we got. Yeah. That those. Dalton connected in that unprotected first. Should have been for Luca and like. Yeah, we'll just take a shot on Mark Williams who is injured a lot. But also if he's good and if he is not injured, he's exactly what they needed.

I mean, don't connect was good though. I liked watching. There's only one ball and he could just. Yeah, you're right. He needed the ball. He was a score.

Not a lot of.

Not a lot of defense.

Yeah.

They're also winners because lebron didn't leave.

Yeah.

He said I'M here right now.

Yeah.

Which means right at this very second, he's there, which I don't know if he's planning on leaving, but there were rumors that, like, he might be interested in going to the warriors, which I think would have made everybody hate basketball.

Yeah.

Right.

If, if they got everyone. You would have liked that.

Yeah. It would have been cool if they got KD.

No, they wouldn't have got. They wouldn't have gotten KD and LeBron, I don't think.

Well, they were all names that were, like, floating. I'm glad that didn't happen.

Yeah. All right. Other winners. Oh, by the way, because we're consistent on this podcast. Hank, did you see Luca in a Lakers jersey, Negative aura? Yeah, I did not. I like just the look of it was, Was bad or.

You haven't seen him sweat in it, though.

That's true. But I just. Something about it just didn't work.

77 doesn't hit the same.

It just didn't work. Yeah, exactly. It just didn't work.

I don't think anybody looks good dry in an NBA jersey they don't like. If you just.

If you need him to wet.

Yeah, I got them to oil up a little bit. Oil up a little bit. Then let's see if you got the aura.

All right. Other winner. I thought The Cavs getting DeAndre Hunter was big.

Huge.

Cavs are going for it. They needed that. And the Hawks are tanking now, I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah. So that was, that was big. I thought that was a big win. Miami for trading Jimmy Butler and getting rid of him, and the warriors for getting Jimmy Butler.

Yeah.

Win. Win.

Yeah. You got, you got playoff Jimmy, maybe. Yeah, that's going to be, I think, if they get to the playoffs.

I don't, I don't fully understand what the warriors plan is. I think it's just Steph's going to have to shoot all the threes because they don't. They have less. Like Jimmy Butler and Draymond. You think they're going to get really shoot threes?

I think Draymond's one of the bigger losers.

Do you think so?

The warriors had a deal where Kevin Durant was going to be going to the warriors that he basically shut down just because he doesn't want to play with Draymond again.

Yeah. So, yeah, that would make him a loser for sure. But I, I, I mean, I think the war. The warriors should be better just because it's playoff. Jimmy would play old as. That's what I'm saying. I mean, Steph 36. Jimmy Butler's 35. But that's why Miami so good though.

Jimmy Butler's.

No, but there's a difference between regular season JB playoffs and playoff jb.

Yeah.

You know that there is.

They might win a series barely in the playoffs right now. And Miami wins because they got rid of Jimmy Butler, who is being a. Would you guys agree with that?

Oh, yeah.

And then I think he was being Jimmy Butler.

Yeah.

Like this is what you expect.

What you expect. My other winner is the Clippers. Just because I like Bogdong Luanovich.

It's fun to say.

And he's just like. I don't know. I feel like he can get hot.

You don't like the Spurs? I think the spurs should be winners.

Spurs are winners.

DeAndre Fox.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Deon Fox.

De Fox. Yeah.

Winner.

Big watcher of his.

You could be the Kings. I mean the King's getting Zach lavine for not a lot. Could be winners as well.

Like the Beam.

Yeah. My losers are.

What about the War? The Wizards and the Kings? I feel like just for making a lot of moves.

Oh yeah. The Wizards getting Marcus Smart. That was a win.

They just made moves. I don't know that they were like winning moves, but like I just like that they were so active. Every tweet was like the Wizards were just moving pieces around. I feel bad for Marcus Smart. I feel terrible. Here's the thing about him to come home.

Here's the thing about what the Wizards are doing. They're just. They're moving names around. They're doing stuff with the salary cap that I. I don't understand. But I know that what they're engaged in is just active tanking just as much.

Gonna trade Chris Middleton.

And for the longest time they. They did not have a plan. And their plan was. It was like even worse than the Bulls plan because we would finish outside of the playoffs.

Yeah.

But not be bad enough to get a one pick or two pick until last season. Then we finally got competent front. Front office when we got the dude from Oklahoma City. And now we've had a plan in place where it's like get. You have to get really fucking bad.

Yeah.

And I'm. I'm completely on board with getting as bad as possible.

That's the key.

Yeah.

In the. In the NBA. You like Quentin Grimes. Sixers a winner.

Sure. Who cares?

Also winners. Why Caleb Martin? Chris Middleton Saw the Killers out of the picture.

Well, they're in the east still, right? Yeah.

Went to the Mavs.

Middletons Well, I mean, he's in the East.

They're not going to play him in the playoffs.

Just right down the street. What about. Are you not afraid of Kyle Kuzma? You're not.

No.

You just don't like people with fashion.

That's true.

That's a fact.

Yeah.

You're afraid of it.

It's very funny because all the. All the talking heads on ESPN were like, I like this trade for the Bucks. Kyle Kuzma. I know, I know he sucked, but that's just because he was in Washington.

Yeah.

But now that he's gone, he's gonna be good again. And I thought about. I got mad for a second and I was like, kind of. Right? Yeah, kind of.

That's.

That's a very accurate statement.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you got hanging.

This is bad podcasting. So what, are you gonna cut this? Who is this? Who is the guy that looks like Kramer on espn?

That's Bob. Is it Bob Myers? He's the guy from the Warriors.

Yeah, yeah, that's Bob Myers. What about him?

I was watching.

Oh, yeah, you're right. I know. This is good podcasting.

You literally just.

You took a picture of your TV because you're like, is that Kramer?

I was like, what is Kramer looking.

At this great podcast.

This is some good NBA breakdown. I know that. You can listen to a bunch of other podcasts. We'll break it. We're breaking down high level.

Like, that looks like Kramer's dad.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's. No, he's a good front office guy.

Yeah, he helped.

He helped pick Dan Quinn.

I really hate the NBA trade deadline is super bowl week. Like, come on.

Yeah, it's not.

This is. This is still.

This is their revenge for Christmas.

Yeah. All right, my losers. Real quick, Phoenix, because Bradley Beal just refuses to go anywhere. Right? That. That feels like a bad situation.

If you were Bradley Beal, what would you do? I know I said last week, you have. You have the no trade clause. You got that written in for a reason. But just fuck it. Just like, don't use your no trade clause.

It's also like, you basically blocked the Suns from getting better at all. And then you come back in that locker room and everyone's like, oh, hey, dude, glad you're still hate so much.

Yeah, it's going to suck. Yeah, it's going to suck. Like, you're not. Yeah, you'll. You'll still have that contract. You'll still have the same house. You'll still have the same drive into work every day. But but it's going to get a lot worse.

Obviously, the Mavs are losers for the Luca trade. Raptors. I just. I don't really understand getting Brandon Ingram when they're out of the playoffs right now and they're. Maybe they're trying to get to the playing game. I don't really know.

Yeah, this is always like, Brennan Ingram.

Yeah, I do. I do, too. But, like, I feel like the Raptors should be tanking. Right.

Maybe it's a tariff thing, maybe it's a terror thing.

And then the Bulls are a big loser because they didn't do anything that they should have done besides trade Zach.

But that was a big thing.

But they didn't trade Vouch. They didn't trade Kobe White, who seven teams were interested. And it's like they're just the dumbest organization in AK's dumbest. They extended Lonzo Ball. Who. I like Lonzo Ball. But, like, what do you do? It's just none of the moves stack up together.

It is funny that the NBA is at its best when we're not talking about games.

Yeah.

We're just talking about guys moving to different cities.

Playoffs. I love the playoffs.

Being next to other guys. It's like, oh, imagine if Luca was in LA. Imagine if. If KD was in New York. Imagine if LeBron was in Riyadh.

The there. I guess the warriors wanted Vuch and they just. The Bulls couldn't do it because they're stupid. And then. Yeah. Seven teams. It's basically the same thing that happened last year with Alex Crusoe. They're like, yeah, let's just do that mistake again.

Yeah.

So they're idiots. Memes. Did we miss any big trades? Anything that tickled you?

No.

The song. The Brandon Ingram one. Toronto made a lot of moves. The Pelicans made a lot of moves. I'm more interested in the buyout market right now. Oh.

Oh, tell me about the buyout market.

I. I want Chris Middleton on the Knicks. Oh. I think he's a perfect wing backup. So what about Brandon Ingram? I think he's gonna stay in Toronto.

Okay, can you explain to me, like, I'm five, how. How that market works? So the Wizards trade assets, so pretty much everybody, and then we just pay him to not play for us.

Yeah. And then someone else, and then.

But then that's good for us.

Yeah.

Because you already got the other assets and you traded away who you needed to trade away. Yeah.

Okay. I don't understand salary caps.

No.

It makes no sense. And a lot of people who Got traded today.

Are just going to get bought out.

Yeah.

So Marcus smart.

Yeah, Marcus smart. Potentially. Oh, Hank. Pretty much the. The big picture trade deadline is the. The.

The.

It's rigged for the Lakers and a lot of dumb organizations continue to do dumb things. And the warriors are going to have at least be more interesting.

Yeah, one last ride for Steph.

Yeah, one last ride for stuff. But, yeah, we are going to have Rosal on to break down or to preview the NBA. But it's still football season. It's just still football.

It is.

We got one game left. Enjoy it. I was thinking about what. How my brain is going to feel on Monday morning with no football.

I don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about it. Did you guys see, by the way, Rob Ryan's press conference? No. It was incredible. It was incredible. I don't know if this is bad podcasting, but I can just play it because it was just so. It was so, so good. He is, I think the linebackers coach at usc.

He is.

Yeah. Here, I'll play it. We. We can. We can cut it if it doesn't make sense, but it was all right.

Here he is this year. Did. Watch where we finish this year. Watch where we finish this year. This guy is special. He's special. He knows how to get it done. He's a great communicator, great teacher. He's fun to be around. He makes everybody better, including the coaches. And, you know, we'll see. You know, I'm looking forward for the. What do you call it? Spring ball or whatever. I can't wait. Go against the best. Oh, good. Bring it on. See that little juco kid from Hutch? Bam. We're going to get after this. But anyway, it'll be great. We're excited, you know, And I saw the Myava guy. I coached his uncle. I hated that kid. When I first had my USC kid, a little captain, remember, he could walk under this table right here.

He's doing a bit like, oh, man.

He'S dominating every inch of that stage, kid.

During the OTAs, like, man, this guy, man, you gotta run. Cover guy. Anyway, so then I'm like, hey, guys, going on vacation with the family. Going out to Hawaii, going to Maui. I never been to Maui. I. I run things in Oahu, but to go to Maui. Hey, Rob, you getting any kind of trouble now, you just tell them, you know, Kalukes. I'm like, yeah, I'm telling my. No.

He'S facing around like, Chris Rock.

Go out there no, rent a car. What do you mean? You never called for the rent a car. I told you, she's Greek. I'm like, yeah, they must have lost it. So of course I forgot to call. Now they're out of cars. I'm in Maui. I had no car. So what do I do? I know kalukes. I got a car. Oh, you know kalukes? Swear to God.

Handed down.

Anyway, I ended up loving the kid. He was. Oh, man, is he mean as a rattlesnake. There was a reason why that kid was captain with all those first round draft choices. I love that guy. Ended up. Looks can be deceiving.

That's so good. There were like nine times in that. In that one story where I was like, please, please stop talking because you're about to say something that's going to get you in trouble. Big trouble.

I don't.

I mean, that was just. I love him so much. He was just pacing the whole stage. We're talking rent a cars in Maui. I know Klooks.

Yeah.

So if you're in Maui, just say, hey, I know K. Luke's tougher than a rattlesnake.

Oh, man. Yeah. So that would be fun having Rob Ryan in the usc.

I'm excited we got Ron Rivera going back to school, too. Oh, he's going to what? Cal, right? Oh, he's going to be consulting to the GM at Cal.

I love it.

So he told the text that he sent to Adam Schefter was it was going back to school is cool again. Bill Belichick taught me that. So I'm going back to school. Very cool, Ron.

Very cool. Do we think Josh isn't going to win the mvp, right? It's going to be Lamar. Yeah.

I don't know. It's like 50. 50 right now.

I'm not going to be mad. Like, Lamar deserves it as much as Josh, but it would be cool if Josh.

I would like to see Josh win. Just because seeing the story with Josh and, like, being, you know, around him enough over all these years, it would be very cool to see that after everyone doubted him. So I. In my heart, I would like that. But my wallet wants Lamar very badly.

Yeah. Okay.

If I get Lamar 15 grand. No doinks. If they let me put that in. Do you think they'll let me bet that?

Yeah, why not? Yeah, I think they will.

They should.

No, you don't just shake my head like, you shouldn't do that.

Why?

Well, what happens?

It's such a dumb.

It's an easy electric for the gamut.

It's an investment, Hank. It's a 10 overnight investment. It only didn't hit last time because of a fluke.

But what happened?

Okay, there were. I think there were seven. No, there first kick, there were eight. No, that's not true.

Pft. I got your back.

There were like eight kicks in the last game. Seven of them did not hit the uprights. What are. That's like 85.

No, no, no, no.

We'll get to it later. But we had a really fun, friendly competition the other night where we all competed and did different activities. Throwing, kicking.

You were really good.

How are you?

How was I?

Did you make all your kicks?

I did not make all my kids.

What happened on the one you missed?

I was barefoot and I kicked it and I donked it.

Does that mean the joints out of the way?

Does that mean it's less likely that these are gonna doink?

I'm with dft. Pft. I will.

Yeah.

How many kicks?

Eight.

How many kicks did you hit it?

You know what?

7 out of 10 and.

Oh, you're gonna bet the. No doing.

All right. It's only right because the last time this was the Super Bowl. You got my foxhole. I'm gonna get in your fox.

I appreciate that. Here's whatever you bet.

I'm gonna bet the exact same.

I want to bet against it, but I can't.

Like, just prepare. You should. You should bet against it.

Yeah.

You know you're going to anyway.

I have a Lamar future as well, and I might put all that on doink.

Yeah.

You know you're going. You know you're going to.

Oh, we got a doink off.

All right, so let me prepare you for what you're going to experience with a no doinks bet. Oh, don't do this every single time.

Don't do this. Josh is gonna win anyway.

Someone scores a touchdown, you're gonna hope to God they go for two for some reason first.

Yeah.

Then when they line up to kick, your butthole is going to shrink up to about the size of an electron.

Okay, you know what I'm going to do? I'm just going to.

I'm just going to want it. He doesn't want the smoke.

No, I'm. I.

But no, I haven't got to the good part yet.

Okay, but would you rather me bet the exact same amount as you or just be all in with you?

Just. Just be all in.

I'm root for this loser.

Do not put 15. It's not for the faint of heart.

I already have that. I've already got that put away for tails anyway.

Bet a little bit on it, but yeah. And then after the ball goes through or miss, misses and doesn't hit the upright, it's a great feeling because statistically it should. It's a good investment.

Yeah.

But you just have to be prepared to go through hell.

I'm gonna be rooting like hell.

Doinks. Doinks are.

Are very rare.

They're more rare than you think. You only hear about doinks because every time it happens, the NFL has put microphones closer and closer to uprights to make them sound bigger. And then everybody in the world tweets doink at the same time. That's why you think it happens all the time.

Come on. Put your money where your mouth is.

Lamar wins. I will do it.

I will do it anyway. It's great odds.

Yeah. Plus 500. Right?

Do it anyway.

Good luck.

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Okay, boys, let's break down this game a little bit. I. I, like Hank, have a future on the Eagles. I'm not going to cash out. I think the Eagles are the better team. I'm so, so afraid of Patrick Mahomes and the history that they're going for. I do think, though, the Eagles defense is the best unit that he's going to face in probably. Yeah. I mean, in the playoffs. And then, oh, man, those big boys on the Eagles offensive line, they got to just do work, Max. They gotta do works. I really do think this. I know it's very reductive to say, but, like, Jalen hurts, has to play great.

Yes.

Because the. Because the Chiefs. If. If he makes any mistakes, the Chiefs will capitalize and they will win the game. And we'll all be sitting here being like, how'd this happen again? Jalen Hurst has to play the game of his life.

Disagree with that.

Okay.

I think he needs to make plays when plays need to be made, but he doesn't need to. Like, what about for 300 yards?

What about making plays when plays don't need to be made? Because sometimes that's the best play.

Like. Like, I think that, like, he's going to need to hit. Hit a big third and long to, like, keep a drive going. Like, he's going to need to make clutch plays, but I don't think he needs to have this huge stat sheet game, because the recipe to winning is to go up and then use Saquon twice the game.

Is a punt a bad thing for you guys?

Yes. We need to score.

All right.

What? Who?

Give me your top four things you're scared about on the chief side.

Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes.

Patrick Mahomes.

Oh, that's it.

Andy Reid.

Not Andy Reid.

Chris Jones doesn't care about Chris Jones.

Trent McDuffie.

But, like, Patrick Mahomes is so much scarier than everyone.

Carlotis.

I would be scared.

Chris Jones is scary.

I'd be scared of Andy Reid. I'd be scared of Spags. I'd be scared of Chris Jones. McDuffie. McDuffie.

But he's just one guy. We have. I understand, but we have so many other guys.

I'd be scared of, like, Harrison Jones is really good.

Our interior offensive line is very good.

Harrison Bucker is a very, very good kicker.

I'm not. You just. I don't. I'm not. He's a good kicker. He can hit a long kick.

He's a very good kick.

But if you go into a game and you're scared of the kicker that like.

No, I'm saying like in an end of situation.

Yeah, but that's more getting to that situation.

57 yard field goal. He can probably make that.

But I'm more scared of Patrick Mahomes getting them into that situation.

Okay, so he's like. He makes Patrick Mahomes more powerful.

Correct.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

Did you guys hear what long time Eagles fan, die hard Eagles fan, co worker, all business Pete said? No, he said, I can't believe the sound got up again.

Okay.

No, he actually said that he feels in his balls Eagles by 20.

But he doesn't have balls. He got him cut off.

I kind of do too.

You do?

Just hearing the. The actual football guys that we've been around, they just keep talking about talent, talent, talent, talent.

This is a very good Eagles team.

And yeah.

So yeah, PFT likes the Chiefs though.

I also think the Chiefs have all.

I just are the worst respect greatness.

Good team of all time. This team stinks.

I want to respect greatness.

I don't like, I need.

They got bailed out by the refine.

No, I need you to take the Chiefs is what I'm. I need you to like.

No, I'm saying I want to respect greatness.

Yeah.

And what I saw especially last week in the championship game, a team win by 30 points in the championship game. That's a great team.

Great.

And you have to respect greatness.

I feel better about the Chiefs than I have all week.

I mean, put it up.

Sorry.

All the logos for part of my take.

Birds. No, I'm birds memes.

You birds.

Birds, baby.

I've been yelling across Chiefs. Shane's not Chiefs. Yeah, he's a Chargers fan. The Chiefs are Eagles.

The Eagles should win.

But.

Okay, so. Okay, well that sounds like birds all across.

I think the Birds are going to win, but I'm going to bet on Mahomes. But for the record, I'm picking the birds.

Wait, no, you're betting on the Chiefs.

If you're betting on Mahomes, I'm betting on the Chiefs. No, but. No, your pick is. I'm betting on the Chief. I'm picking the Eagles. What's so hard to understand?

No, because of how cool that kangal hat is. But no.

Well, you don't get to tell me what to do.

I. I would.

The. The graphic that we're gonna make is gonna say no.

Bird.

Bird.

No. It's gonna be our picks to win the game. Who we have money this is the.

Picks and preview segment of. Of the show.

Your pick is what you put money on.

Caesar, My pick is none of your business. I want the bird on the graphic. Okay, I know. I'm taking cheese. Listen, you have to respect greatness. I respect greatness.

Listen, I've. We've had this conversation. I mean, you.

I.

If.

If I didn't have this future, I probably would. Would just be like it. It's my homes again. Because last year was the easiest Super Bowl I've watched. Was like, I don't care. Mom's gonna win.

Birds.

I've talked. It's birds. It's got to be birds. Birds are a better team.

Birds.

They're gonna win. And Max is going to finally have his moment in the sun.

The trenches are healthy.

The trenches.

And on Sunday night, the trenches.

All right, favorite props. So, yeah, say the props that you like, but then you got to pick one that we're going to put all together.

Okay.

Tails is obviously my first pick of the game. And then the other one I feel very strongly about, this won't be in the parlay unless someone else picks it. Over 52 and a half yards for Dallas Goddard.

Okay.

So those are. Those are the two that I really like. I also did bet Saquon over longest rush, 24 and a half. I think it might be 25 and a half. I bet it literally right after the championship game, which I actually don't even like it that much anymore. But guess what? It's already been bet, so we're gonna ride it. What do you guys like?

I like. I like Jalen hurts over 38 and a half yards rushing. I like Patrick Mahomes over 29 and a half yards rushing.

Okay.

And then I saw one earlier. I'm trying to track it down again. It was Saquon Barkley to have a certain amount of yards per quarter in every quarter. Oh, I forget what that number was, but I remember seeing it and looking at it and thinking to myself, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And I like flea flicker plus 250.

Okay. I also like Travis Kelsey to score a touchdown. I think he's going to score a touchdown. Hank.

I like the flea flicker. That would be my pick for the parlay, if you would allow it.

Okay. My pick was going to be over two and a half pass players to have a pass attempt. Do you not want me to put that in there? Do you want me to put Dallas Goddard in there instead?

I don't mind. Whatever you want to do. Whatever you feel best.

That's What? That's my favorite bet every super bowl over two and a half players to attempt a pass. But we can do flea flicker instead because those are kind of similar.

Well, it's like there's better odds though.

Yeah.

There's not crazy odds.

Yeah, it's. It's similar in the fact that it's like kind of two trick Playish.

This one. This wouldn't be for the parlay, but one I like because I feel like Andy Reid dials these up in the Super Bowl. We've talked about it a lot about how he's got, you know, these, these plays in the vault only seem in the Super Bowl. Any offensive lineman to score a touchdown plus 1600.

I like that a lot. Because when we talked to Lane Johnson, I don't know if you picked up on this, but we said like, what if you caught a pass? He's like, me. No, not me. Like they might be looking at somebody else that could get a touchdown.

Yep. I like over 11 and a half. Longest punt return.

Oh, that's fun.

Whoa.

And I like that in the DraftKingsports.

Book somewhere because I did bet. I did bet over or. Sorry. A kick to be turned. Turn for a touchdown on a kickoff. That's 22 to 1. I would say sprinkle it at most on that. I just. That was more of a stay woke. They're going to try to get one.

And this is this, this goes to the talent, this goes to the birds and. But the. The Chiefs can help out too. Over three and a half total number of three and outs in the game.

Okay.

What's the odds?

Yeah, that's like. Sucks. But yeah.

Minus 105.

That's so many. Three and outs. Four three and ounce.

More than three.

Okay.

I found. I found that bed at Saquon Barkley to have 10 plus rushing yards in each quarter. Minus 150.

Okay. All right, so yeah, let's put. Let's put this parlay together. So I'll go. I'll go to Dallas Goddard Over 52 and a half yards.

Okay.

Okay. So that'll be my pick in this. Do you want to put it together in your phone real quick? Also, this is not for the parlay, but I also like Xavier Worthy's yards over because I think he's just been getting a shitload of targets. All right, Hank, what's your pick?

Flea flicker.

Flea flicker. And then pft.

I'll do mahomes rushing yards. 29 and a half over.

Okay, I like that. I like that. All right, you Putting it together here, Max.

I'm trying. It's hard. It's hard to find them so quickly.

I'll do it. Why don't you just worry about what your pick is?

My pick. My pick has been Devontae Smith, 50 plus yards.

Okay, so Patrick Mahomes over 29 and a half, you said?

Yep.

Pft.

Yep.

All right. And Devonte Smith is over how many yards?

I did 50 plus, but I'll take.

Like whatever, 52 and a half. Okay. All right. So right now it's plus 500 and you might. Hank, we might not be able to use yours in a parlay.

Jalen Carter, one sack.

Okay. Love it. Okay. Is it over a half a sack? Yeah.

One plus sacks.

Jalen Carter. Okay. Okay. One plus 12 to one. Okay. So here it is for the people. Go bet it in the Now. This is too much.

Oh, no.

We have one Chiefs. It's Dallas. Got over 52 and a half yards. Jalen Carter, one sack. Devonte Smith over 52 and a half receiving yards. Patrick Mahomes over 29 and a half rushing yards.

I feel really good about it.

All right, Max, before we get to our interviews, which are incredible, we have Jason Kelsey and Chris Berman. Awesome, awesome interviews. Final score prediction of the week.

26, 21 Eagles.

Whoa. You went down.

What happened?

It's gonna be a closer game now. It's gonna be a dog Play it.

You went 32.

34.

34. Now down to 26y. Oh, no.

Why's that?

Eagles. Eagles. Gotten worse as the weeks ago.

No, you just have to respect the Chiefs.

Okay.

You have to respect the Chiefs.

26, 21. So that's a one score game. Does Patrick Mahomes have the ball?

No, he backdoors it into the one score game.

Oh, 26, 14.

And then they go get. They go for the onside kick. It's a really good onside kick. And you think that they're going to get it, but the Eagles get it.

Holy.

That's.

That. That would be amazing. I feel like we've had a lot of good Super Bowls recently. I hope we get another one. I don't know if we will.

We will.

So it might be a blowout.

So which actually.

Which side?

I just think it might be a blowout.

Which side?

I think the Chiefs or the Eagles? I think the Chiefs might stomp them.

No, too much talent.

Remember this? I mean, put him on a list.

He just. He's a guy who just got stomped.

So.

Yeah.

Huh.

Put him on a list.

No.

Yeah, he's on the list.

Okay.

No, I'm not. You haven't given us a list update. I. I don't think you have the list anymore.

No. People have been giving the Eagles more respect this week, which I don't. Which I don't like as much.

I'm doing you a favor.

Yeah.

Yeah, you are. You are.

You are.

You are.

Good friend.

Okay, we will. We will be streaming the super bowl from the gambling cave. Max will be at the Super Bowl. Don't worry. Max will be on no matter what, win or lose. We have all the setup, so we'll have. We'll have good audio.

There also be plenty of clips from the game.

Plenty of clips from the game that we'll tweet out. And your setup on Sunday night will be. It'll be an actual camera with good audio equipment, right?

Yeah.

All right. So it won't be like a zoom. I mean, it will be zoom, but it will be very. It'll be good. Riverside.

Riverside. Professional mic. Webcam.

Webcam. Okay. Love it.

That's what. That's what I.

And possibly Rome and Roan and Rome. Okay, let's do our interviews. We have an awesome interview with Jason Kelsey, then Chris Berman.

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And now, Jason Kelsey.

Okay. We now welcome on a very, very, very, very, very special guest. It is super bowl champion, six time all Pro.

You're not leading off the podcasters.

I think it's seven, seven time All Pro. I know it's seven pro Bowls.

Six time All Pro.

Six time all.

Probably should just let you talk.

Seven, seven Pro Bowls. Future hall of Famer.

Yeah.

Oh, I like that. Yeah, it's Jason Kelsey.

So.

So you just have accepted, like, hey, I can't wait for my five years. And they're gonna knock on my.

Well, I don't know about the hall of Fame.

Yeah, you're a hall of Famer.

I don't. Yeah, I. I don't know. We'll find out. I think it's. It feels weird to think of yourself in that way. I don't know. What. I don't. Yeah, I don't know.

All right, you know what? Why don't we do this? As first reported by. Pardon my take, Jason Kelsey's in the Pro Football hall of Fame.

Congratulations.

Thanks, guys.

So when that day happens, you have to thank us first.

Okay.

Because we were the first to have it.

You know what I mean? Seems only fair.

When they do your bust, are you going to want the. The big hair?

I don't.

Do you get to choose the actual.

I think you do you.

That would feel right.

Sit down. And then somebody comes in and like. Like, paints your face or does whatever. I don't know how they do it with a sculpting, but, yeah, I think you get to choose the era of look that you have. So you could be like, yeah, give me the.

Give me the long hair would be good.

I'm gonna take my Max era.

Yeah, the long hair. Yeah.

Long hair.

Yes, this is. Max is very.

In this hypothetical world.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, so super bowl week, Is this one a little weird for you because. Well, obviously, because your brother's on the Chiefs and the Eagles are your family. But. But is it weird that you're like, man, I kind of wish I was getting out there with the boys.

Yeah. I mean, you always wish you could get out there with the boys. I don't know that'll ever go away. Yeah, but it's certainly during a Super bowl, it gets magnified and obviously, just one year away, I'm still really close with all these guys.

Right.

So, yeah, I would love to go out there and play, but how many.

Snaps could you give them right now?

How many snaps?

You're looking. You're looking good. I. It looks like you've lost some.

Chris Jones might, like, ddt me into, like, the ether.

Yeah, but you could give them a.

Snap, then I'd be out immediately. Yeah, but no, it's. I don't know how many. I could go. I think going before the season, it's hard to envision, like, doing anything.

Yeah.

And then once you get to this point, adrenaline could get me through something.

Yeah.

I think Every former player, like, thinks that to a degree.

Yeah.

But then I'd be curious to see what actually would happen if I went out on the field.

It's interesting because I was reading an article last night from your former teammates, and I feel like, tell me if I'm wrong, but you played for so long, but for, like, the last three or four years, it felt like every year you were like, this might be it for sure. Like, I might. So you were kind of contemplating retirement for essentially the back third of your career.

Yeah, I mean, I made a whole documentary that lasted three years thinking about retiring. I think it's playing football is really hard. Playing off as a line's really hard, and the physical toll takes on you. I think you. It's. It's. It's something that you really have to, like, disconnect from the season and be like, okay, do I want to do this for another year? At least once you get older, that's the way I did it. Lane's fully on board with playing another year. I already saw the press conference fired up about that.

We were with him yesterday.

Yeah.

He promised that he was playing another.

Year, and he should. He can tell. He's still playing a really high level. He's still dominating. And then I think at some point, you realize that your body is, like, barely hanging on, and you're like, okay, how much longer do I want to do this?

Yeah.

And I did that for about three years longer than. Yeah.

It's a testament to you, because you. It feels like when you look at your career, you got better as the years went on, and some of your best football was in your 30s. What was that? Was that just figuring out the game? Was it figuring out your body? Like, what. What made it so that you got that much better as you kept on going?

Yeah, I think a lot of it, you know, the center position, you can get by more with tricks of the trade and, like, kind of just understanding things and accelerating that a little bit. I think some positions, like tackle, you gotta be like Man Mountain Dean out there to go block Miles Garrett. I was not blocking Miles Garrett often.

Right.

So I think when you're in the middle of it, you can use, like, calls and different things that, you know, put the line or you in a better situation and you understand technique more, so that helps you play it a little higher level, even though physically you're nowhere near the player you are. And that's where it's like, for the last three years, I could feel myself physically deteriorating, but, like, on the Play like I'm still playing at a high level.

Right.

So it's this weird thing. It's like, I don't know when this physical deterioration is going to catch up, but it feels like it's like catching up now.

Right.

And that's kind of what leads to those years of, you know, what am I going to do next year?

Yeah.

So from the center position, what kind of level of detail do you. You do you have to put in going up against Spags, especially in a big game like this?

Because I always loved going up against Spags. I mean, another guy who's actually in college now, Wig Martindale, used to be able to give blitzes from any direction. And Spags is going to put a safety down week. He's going to rotate it all the way to make it look, there's no chance the nickels come, there's no chance the corner's coming and then all of a sudden it's going to rotate the other way and they're going to come them or you're going to think you got them and you do have them and then they know you got them and they're going to flip the blitz and then they're bringing it the other way. So it's like this cat and mouse game that's going on with Spags. It'll be zone pressures, overloads to a side. It'll be, you know, single dog pressures that are like run stoppers, be zero blitzes, especially in got to have it scenarios. I mean, that blitz that he pulled out against. Yeah, the Bills, everybody's talking about it. I mean, I still have nightmares from that when he was with the Giants and they did it with the corner because it was a condensed split.

But he used to do the same thing with Landon Collins, put him down on the line. They'd have these stand up guys over here to the right and you'd have to guess like it's like, okay, either the safety and it's coming from the weak side here or he's going to overload you over here. And if the center is going the wrong way, you're going to be hot.

Yeah.

And that's where like, you know, the quarterback has to be firmly ready to throw the ball if you are wrong.

Right.

And that's hard when you're in a situation like a third and long because typically the hot answer is not going to pick up a first down.

Yeah.

He knows that. So it's, I love that cat and mouse game going against Spags and you're trying to get any little tell, it's like, all right, the safety's like inside the end. He bails. If the safety, if the nickel's pressed, he's coming. And then over years they realize they have tells. And it's just a fun part of.

It for sure was when you have a situation like that and you guessed wrong, do you know instantly?

You're like, oh, you know right away.

You're like, I.

You know right away sometimes even if you guess wrong, like you'll like pop out. You're like, I'm just going to try and bail and get something on this guy because he is screwed right now.

Yeah.

So typically, you know right away.

Yeah.

So once, once these guys drop and this line starts slanting this way, you know they're bringing it to the field.

Yeah.

What's the, the 10 seconds like as you get up to the ball and you're like scanning the field and you have have to figure out protection, all that stuff. Like what. How do you process that? Where does, where do your eyes go first? What do you think about?

So the first thing you're trying to pick up, and this is before you've broken the huddle, is what's the down and distance? And based on that, in kind of your pre work, you're already in a mode of like, these are the pressures. They kind of like, right, first and 10, second and 10 run situations are going to be in this world third and long. Then you're getting ready for the exotics. And then with a guy like spags certain parts of the field, he'll just whip a blitz zero out and it might not even be a tell. Like he's going to give you one or two a game where you're not ready for it at all and you're just going to have. He's going to see how you're going to respond.

Right.

But you're breaking the huddle. Think about the down, the distance, engaging the personnel that they have on the field. They have three down linemen, four down linemen. Are they in nick or they in dime? And sometimes that stuff will give you little breaks into like the pressures that they like out of those situations. And then once you get up there, you're IDing where people are. Is it a shell with two safeties back? Is it a single high with the safety down on the line of scrimmage? Is the nickel to the field way off the ball? Hopefully you get a double count, but then they kind of know you're double counting, but. And you can get a Tell somebody will start trying to go back early or something like that and then you can get a. That's all like that. But that's kind of the process. And then my whole job is to try and set the protection, the center going the direction of where the most guys could potentially come.

Yeah.

Because the running back can scan. So the only way a six man pro, and this is what you're generally in for the majority of, you know, third and long situations. The only way a six man pro is going to get beat is if they bring two to the side, the backs or two away from where the center's going.

Yeah, yeah.

And a four down front.

That's.

Sorry.

I know that I like this.

Yeah, we don't, we don't know about this as fans sometimes.

Sure.

And I, I don't know, maybe it sounds like you really put yourself into, you know, dedicating your, your like, you know, prep to this type of, of like understanding and, you know, your routine that you have to get in. Do you think there's some centers in the NFL that just go up there and they're like, oh, I have no idea. I'm just going to try to kill the guy that's closest to me.

I, I think probably not anybody who has no idea, hopefully nobody that has no idea what's happening and just gonna kill somebody. I think the position requires a little bit more than that mentally to be good. Because part of it's not even just one of the things I loved about centers. It's not just your job. You're responsible for helping other guys play better by just making a call. You can make the quarterback better situated, you can make, make the right guard in a better position to block whoever. Right.

Yeah.

And you need to embrace that to be a good center, in my opinion. But I think there's differing degrees of control that centers have. I had a lot in Philadelphia and that got built up over a decade plus of playing there. When I first got there, Michael Vick controlled the vast majority of it and I was like, hey, I'm going to start this with like what the rule in the playbook is. We're going to go to the mic and Vic's gonna do everything off of that. And then my next year they give you a little bit more like, all right. Because it's hard, it's hard for the quarterback to know all of those different fronts and everything. They can read coverages and all that other stuff. So the best situation is when the quarterback and center are on the same page. They've talked all week and they know, you know, what each person's looking for.

Yeah.

And I think that the older you get as a center, the more leeway you get in helping the quarterback out, because that's, at the end of the day, our whole job.

Yeah. And I mean, you want a part of your career that was so incredible, is the amount of games that you played not missing a lot of time. I think it was, what, 150 starts in a row? Something like that.

It feels like, you know, my career.

But my question to you is that, you know, we. We talk about offensive line play all the time, and a team gets ravaged by injury and they're shifting guys and even like the Chiefs right now, Joe Tu Thuney's going from guard shout out to John too.

Man, that's.

Yeah. Incredible.

Insane.

So how long, like, at what point do you. When you're working with people, do you feel like, all right, I know what they're gonna do. We can all this. The. The sum of the parts becomes even better because we all know each other so well, and we can team block here versus when someone gets thrown in. You're like, all right, we're kind of. This is gonna hurt us here.

I think it depends on how many new guys there are. There's a level of communication that's verbal, but there's also a level of communication that you kind of just understand. And that's kind of like where Pat and Travis are on that page. Right. Where like, at this point don't even need to tell each other. Like, this guy's outside leverage on this play. I know Travis is going to do this. Even though nobody. He and I haven't even talked about this. It's going to happen right in offensive lines the same way. You know, it's like, okay, when this look happens, I know my right guard's gonna do this. Isaac Singh Miles gonna do that. And when. When Isaac's not in and there's a new guy, you have to over communicate.

Yeah.

What's about to happen, that makes sense. And that's hard to anticipate when there's a new guy in there.

Yeah.

But generally, like, if there's two new guys on a side, that's when I get a little bit concerned.

Yeah.

Like, if you plug a guy in just at one person aside, generally that communication gets ironed out because there's like continuity between the center and that side.

Yeah.

When there's two new guys in a row, it's like, okay, now we got some room for some communication. To break down.

Yeah. And that's all it takes is a little communication.

Makes a big deal. I mean, half of you know, the run game, passing game, half of it is just like everybody being on the same page.

Yeah.

If you're not on the same page in the run game, you're pretty much. If you're not on the same page in the past game, you're so like, that's the most important thing.

Yeah.

If to offensive line play or really offensive football. Yeah.

How bad was the Turf in the 2022 Super Bowl?

It's pretty bad.

Yeah.

But we.

We did an investigation. You guys got.

You did it?

Yeah, he was at work. You should just bring that up to Travis.

Go figure.

Yeah, I got one over you just like the sod father got one over.

Yeah, that's right. I didn't lose the Travis Scotch in the Chiefs.

I think he got a ring. Yeah.

It's okay to say your Max is just viciously shaking his head right now, you know.

Yeah. I think our D line was. Was hindered quite a bit.

Yeah.

But so was Chris Jones, so I wasn't complaining.

Well, no, they knew the Sodfather worked for the Chiefs, so they knew they were wearing the right spikes.

They slipped a bunch as well on the defense. Here's the thing. A bad field is to the advantage of an offensive line because the defensive line are the ones like. Like really trying to get a good get off on the ball. So multiple times, like their D line slipping, too. Now, I happen to think, like, you know, son Reddick's like, major move was taken away because of the way that grass was. Like, he's a heavy bend the edge type rusher and that kind of got neutralized. Hargrave, really good get off quick twitch guy. It's going to hurt, guys like that.

Right, Right.

So, yeah, so I played Chris Jones in that. I also played in Dominican sue and Nick Fairly in the snow in Philadelphia. Love that. Yeah, I played in Dominica 2, like four years later when he was with Miami or something like that. Maybe it's actually just two years after that. Two or three years. And it was a significantly different endemic. And Sue.

Yeah.

Good field for sure.

Who's. Who's the toughest? Who's the guy who gave you the most problems? So you're like, you know, I. I know I'm. I'm all pro. I know I'm a really good center, but yeah, something about him.

There's a lot of guys that. Yeah, I mean, I think the best player I ever played against with Aaron Donald, for sure. Luckily, he chose to, you know, be a nightmare for the guard more than he was for the center, so I didn't have to deal with it too much. But he was a freak for me specifically, Dexter Lawrence in the second half of my career was a nightmare in New York. He still is. I see. I see him now. I can't believe I used to have to, like, try and, like, block that guy. He's enormous like, he is. And he's not even, like, big. Like, when I first came to league. Like, Vince Wolfork was, like, the big guy.

Yeah.

But, like, Dexter's like. He almost looks like a basketball player just, like, ballooned up. Like, he's, like, an athlete. Athlete.

Yeah.

It's crazy, but he's. He was great. Still is. Snacks Harrison, who probably. If you're not a Giants fan, you might not even know. But, yeah, he was really good. I was always, for some reason, like, not the best guy. Sometimes gave me issue, like, Puna Ford. I don't know if you.

Yeah.

Backup nose guard. Sometimes gave me, like, the most fits out of this.

Right now. He's like, what?

The man will start in Seattle. Played really good this year. Kind of like a down year in Buffalo.

Yeah.

But he had longer arms than me, and he's shorter than me. So, like, for me, it's like, all right, at least when I play a bigger guy, I can get up under him.

Right.

Win the leverage battle. And if I play a shorter guy, okay. At least I have longer arms. So, like, when you play somebody shorter with longer arms, like, I've negated every technical advantage I have. I have no mass advantage. So it's like.

That's a great answer.

Yeah. Ford. Yeah, he was. I hated Buddha.

I love that.

So.

So with the. The last Super Bowl, I'm more interested in how you went about scheduling the next podcast after that. Like, who sent the first text?

And it's like, hey, it's probably intern Brandon.

We should probably record.

And it. Very softly worded, guys. Not sure if you guys are aware, but we have the podcast recording coming up. Yeah, I mean, I was ready to do it. It sucked. It was the worst podcast for me. So, yeah, losing a Super bowl that you're playing in is by far the worst feeling imaginable because you take so much to get there. One of these teams can be heartbroken.

Right.

That's why.

That's where I'm, like, in a weird situation again, where, like, there's a lot of people I care about on both sides. And you know that somebody's just going to be, like, absolutely devastated.

Right.

And it's like, on some level, like, you almost wish you lose the championship round or something.

It was great. It was great for me this year.

I love it.

Thank you.

Well, in the commanders, they're playing with house money this year. There's, like, zero expectations of that.

Okay.

So I get the house money argument, but at the same time, there's a lot of guys that get to the NFC Championship or AFC Championship that don't get back. So it's like, when you're there, you want to win. But I am glad that we got our ass kicked. That's way better than losing.

Almost like. Yeah, you lose on a call or.

Yeah, the Bills. Yeah.

Every time the. It's funny to say because the year we won the Super Bowl, Brent Selig actually started that year out saying he went to the NFC Championship. I think his second year in the league is either first or second year. He just thought he'd go back.

Right.

Like, every year. And then it took him all the way to, like, year 13 or whatever. It was 11 to get back to the Super Bowl. So. Yeah. Don't take it for granted when it's there. It's hard to get those teams together. It really is. Unless you have, like, a perennial quarterback, which I hope maybe.

Yeah, you look pretty good this year. Yeah.

I don't want to jinx it, but, yeah, he's pretty awesome.

After a bad loss, what's the time frame for, like, friends and family to text you? Because we, you know, we've been lucky enough to do this a long time that we know a bunch of these guys.

Yeah.

And I always am, like, I usually give it a week because, like, I don't. I don't know how, like, if you text someone, like, a day later, like, hey, man, that sucked.

Day later is good.

You think so?

I feel like. Because everybody's texting them the day of.

Yeah. The day of his.

The day of. It's like. Like, first of all, there's a lot of text happening.

Yeah.

You're still, like, pissed off and don't want to respond to anybody.

Right.

Next day is a good text.

Okay.

Emotions have kind of come down. Sorry. Like, what's the stages of grief? You're, like, in that denial. Denial is happening the first day.

Yeah.

Second. What's second stage?

Maybe acceptance.

Yeah.

I think you've started.

That's probably at the end, right?

Acceptance is the end. Anger.

Anger's in there.

Anger is definitely as well.

Targeting yeah, Bargaining.

Bargaining happens bad.

Yeah. Sodfather.

Because you start thinking about, like, all bargaining in. In, like, the stage of the grief for the super bowl loss is like, man, if I just would have did this or if I would have did that. And that's what's happening, really. Especially the second day. God damn, I could have won the super bowl if I just would have done this.

Right.

Like, if I would just would have did that, we would be super bowl champions. And everybody was like, Mark Andrews is doing that with the. The loss this year in the playoffs. Right?

Yeah.

And he does it. That negates everything else he's done for the entire season.

Right.

His entire existence is a Raven. It comes. He's, like, thinking about that and every.

Other mistake everyone else made in that game.

Everybody's thinking about it.

So just don't make the last mistake. Yeah, that's.

That's a big one.

Yeah, that's what everybody remembers.

Yeah. Like, yeah, everybody remembers Bradford with the holding call on juju Smith in our last Super Bowl. They don't remember me up a blitz, you know, on third and five or whatever.

Right.

It and sounds like you remember.

Oh, I remember it. It haunts me very much.

We're doing some bargaining right now.

Spags.

Yeah.

So I've been bargaining for that for a long time, but I think. So that next day text.

Okay.

Is. Is good to distract that person's mind from thinking about all that? Yeah.

Because I don't know. I mean, that's just. It's. It's got to be. And then the element of Travis. Has he rubbed it in your face at all?

He's been a good brother. He has not rubbed it in my face.

He would you face.

I. I don't think I would. No.

Come on. I mean, you're the older brother. You can kind of.

I think. Well, let me put. Now being on this side of it, I definitely would not do it.

Right.

Had I never experienced what it feels like to lose a Super Bowl, I still don't think I would have done it. It's a freaking downer. It's a big one.

Yeah.

But if. If you had played another year and then you somehow beat the Chiefs in the super bowl, then you would rub that in his face because he already got one on you.

Yeah.

If we were one on one, then it's like.

Like, all fair play.

Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

I. It's really hard to rub something in Travis's face when he's better in, like, every facet of the career. You chose to Go into.

Okay. When you put it that way. Okay. Okay.

You're a much better dresser than he is.

Yeah, that's right.

You drink more beer than him, I assume. I.

Actually, you know what?

He can down some beers.

Really?

Yeah. He's very good.

You gotta have something.

I think I always can hang my hat that I'm the older brother.

Yeah. Your mom's gotta love you the most.

The mom definitely loves Travis.

God damn it.

This came across my timeline the other day. This is Travis back in, like, 2015, maybe 2016. Do you remember this? When he went through, like, his kind of meth era?

What is that?

I don't know.

He's going to, like, a shop class. Look at that. Yeah, that's crazy.

Eye protective.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, Trav has always had some pretty amazing style.

Yeah. But.

Yeah. So you. You were just saying earlier how, you know, getting away from the NFL, you weren't sure if your body could do it. It's a lot of pain. A lot of. A lot of stuff that, you know, aches every single day. Is it harder being a podcaster, though?

Yeah, my bad. My back hurts way more. Podcasting?

Yeah.

Seated more.

Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I feel awful every day.

Yeah. If I don't work out, I feel worse than when I did playing football.

Oh, I don't work. Yeah. They're gonna do a study on podcasters. I think it's gonna be like, they're gonna have to make a movie about.

It's gonna be an epidemic.

These guys. Yeah. They really put their lives on the line watching football 12 hours every Sunday.

Like, hairy lifestyle.

Yeah.

This is. Yeah. If CTE is from repetitive hits to the head.

Yeah.

What's the podcasters brain function where they just never got their heart rate up enough to get the blood up to the head.

Yeah, Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I' it 100.

Strangling yourself.

Yeah. Wait, so Travis doesn't give you about the Super Bowl? Does your wife give you about her podcast being more successful than yours all the time? Yeah. That sucks. Yeah.

Hey, it's all going to the same account. Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

It's a team win.

That's right.

Yeah.

It's success across the board.

Yeah. It seems like you guys enjoy it. You guys are. Are crushing it.

Yeah. I mean, it's. It's been. Yeah. I think the podcast on both sides has been amazingly successful, and we have a lot of people that help us out with it, and that's been fun. I think that, like, we didn't really know we're still working out, like, the scheduling of everything. Like, I think that that's the reality of one of the things I do miss about football is like, everything is like. It's almost like the military, where every hour of your day is scheduled to the T. And when you're in the podcasting world, at least for me, you guys may be way more dialed than I am, but I feel like you're more. Between that and ESPN and all this stuff, you're kind of all over the place. Yeah, I'll hop on a zoom here. I'll go do this. We can get this guest at this time. So, yeah, I'll be there for that. And I think that when we're both in that kind of realm, we've kind of had to figure out how do we, like, bring organize to this chaos.

Right, Right.

So that's been a new experience.

But is there a part of you that's like, you're busier than you were when you were playing football?

I'm doing everything. I'm, like, less busy, but I'm more inefficient with my time.

Okay. Like, I feel like podcaster. Like, like, yeah, like.

Like every. Every second of your day is busy or that you're working for. And you're amazingly successful at utilizing your time. And now I'm just like, the biggest time suck. I. I lose so many hours because I'm like, oh, if I just, like, you know, I got this in an hour, so I'll do nothing for an hour.

Yes. That's what we've been doing for the last hour and a half.

There we go.

Yeah.

So that's a lot of my day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's crazy to see your career. I mean, we were reminiscing. I don't know if you remember this. You probably don't, but. And I think it was 2017. Yeah. We went to the Eagles Bears game, and then we went to Bo Allen's house afterwards. You, Bo, Chris Long, and Brent Selleck, and it's like, you know, people don't know offensive linemen that well. And it's just like, now to think about how. How popular and, like, incredible your post career has gone is insane.

Yeah. I mean, back then, did not expect this one bit. Yeah.

I don't think you said anything. You were just sitting on the couch.

Yeah, I was just hanging out.

Yeah.

I think I made a drink.

Drink?

A beer. Yeah. But I think. Yeah. What were you even talking about?

We were just hanging out.

Just hanging out.

Yeah.

Shooting the.

Yeah.

I think at some point, you know, seeing other guys have successful podcasts, Travis and I just decided to try and do it, and then we got lucky enough to play each other in a Super bowl the first year.

I know it's pretty good.

And, yeah.

You'Ve been trying to get Hank today.

We are probably trying to boost these.

Numbers up a little bit.

We have a very good demographic diversity.

In our podcast, I would say. So.

Yeah, you got it.

Yeah. I sometimes, like, click on my Instagram follows and, like, it's like, 99.9 to do this.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like, oh, okay, cool.

You. I mean, you. You've. You've done very well in the podcast game. I think you understand how to poke the. The hornet's nest sometimes. But you apologize too much.

Yeah.

That's one thing you've told me.

The secretary thing. You had a great take on the secretary. Like, I agree with you.

I. I DM'd you right after. I was like, hey, offline. Like, don't apologize.

Do not do this.

We have to.

We have to stick together. Like, you have a good take. That horse was doing steroids. We've heard from. From horse racing Randy Moss.

He.

He's like, the biggest proponent of the sport. He's like, yeah, I mean, he probably was. It doesn't detract from his legacy, but we can be. We can speak honestly about, we should dig up his corpse and give him a blood test and see what's what. And then you apologize to a dead horse.

The dude stay. We don't have to rehash that. Shouldn't have apologized for that. That guy was a.

That was a soft apology, but that.

Yeah, that was a dig that you do. You just got to stand. People love you, and people have your back. Anyway, if you say, secretary did a little steroids, who cares?

It was funny because you were, like, heartfelt in your contrition. You were like, I know that there's a lot of fans of horse racing out there. I did not mean to denigrate and the passion that you so clearly have for a legend. No, the horse was juicing.

Yeah. I hit you up right away. I was like, dude, don't apologize. Do not apologize. Like, we have your back.

Have you ever switched balls? Have you ever seen his balls?

No.

That's right. Because they're so small.

You ever see him. You ever see him swing a bat? Guy could hit it 550ft.

Just promise us that you won't apologize to any more horses.

Yeah.

All right.

And, yeah, we could be the apologizing.

Thing is, is difficult, too, because it just gets, like, clipped up and it doesn't accomplish anything. Anybody.

Right?

Yeah.

It's like, guys, I was just trying to be funny about a horse taking steroids. I wasn't being that serious about it.

Yeah.

And little do I know. Secretary. It's like grandparents.

Yeah.

Tweeting out messages. I'm like, God damn it.

Yeah. But that's all like, you'll just appease the, like, five people that are actually mad at you, and then they'll just be mad about the next thing.

No doubt.

So no more apologies.

Just own it.

We could be apology police for you. If you have a thought of apologizing, let it run it by us.

I'm running by you guys like, no, no, do not.

That kid at Penn State was a dick. He was back you up on that one?

He was. It was also great product placement. I. I thought it might have been a viral.

We were.

We're so stupid.

In our podcast.

Planned.

Yeah. We're like, oh, this is going to be a Super bowl command.

I mean, it was a very perfect slap on the ground.

You put that phone into the earth's core.

Yeah.

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And now here's more. Jason Kelce. What do you say to the haters out there? That Are saying, oh, Kelsey retires and then Saquon Barkley sets every record ever. Are the Eagles better without Kelsey?

Well, I think they're definitely better with Saquon Barkley.

That's a good answer.

And I think Cam Juergens has been phenomenal this year. Makai Becton has come in and been a big part of that offensive line as well. And for me, as an undersized guy, I always played really well with big guards next to me. And I think Makai and Cam have played well.

Really well.

There's no question about it. And they're a better unit physically than we were last year. There's no question about it.

Yeah, I think that was just me that said that. I don't think there's actually any hate.

Well, I think that. I think that they are. I mean, Saquon Barkley almost broke the Russian title. He would have broken the Russian title if he would have played. I mean. Yeah, he did pretty good.

Yeah. I mean, absolutely. That's like.

You still have Jeff Stoutland.

Yeah.

Lane Johnson. I mean, Lane Johnson. Johnson's been the linchpin of the line for a long time. Yeah, it was Jason Peters. Then it really went to Lane Johnson. Jordan Malata. This year has been potentially. I mean, I think it might have been the most. The best tackle in the NFL this year. And I say that, like, Lane is still the best pass blocking tackle, but Mulatta does a lot of things in the run game as well. Both of those guys booking in that line have been unbelievable.

Yeah, no, that's just a little podcaster trick. Anytime somebody good retires, you just hopped you. You try to be the first person.

I'm a part of it.

Yeah.

Are they better without this awesome guy?

That's how the takes work.

Yeah.

Yeah. You got to fire them off. One thing I love about your career is you. You were an underdog and, like, you know, going to Cincinnati, changing positions, being a late round draft pick. Was there ever a point where you were like, this might not be my future? Because I always love those stories where people are like, yeah, I actually had a sliding door moment where it's like, if this didn't happen, I probably can't keep going and have the career I have stuff.

Yeah, there's a lot of points. The big one coming out of high school was being a walk on. I'm like a walk on linebacker. And I had a grandfather who's actually like, Loki a piece of like, I love the guy, but he was a bad grandpa and, like, a bad person. Let me tell you about. He's a good grandpa. Bad person.

All right. Better grandpa than person.

Yes.

Which.

Hey. Yeah.

Good job being a good grandpa.

Yeah.

And he, like, gave me a quote, quote about persistence from, like, Calvin Coolidge at the time. And it just, like, really just hit me smack dab, like, right in the face when he gave it to me.

That's a good quote.

Yeah.

It's like the world is filled with, like, geniuses that don't work hard enough, essentially. They say that they could have been something.

Yeah.

It's wasted time.

Nothing will take the place of persistence. Talent will not. The world is full of unsuccessful mama talent. Genius will not. I'm rewarded. Genius is almost a proverb. Education will not. The world is full of educated derelicts.

Yeah.

Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. Right. So it's basically like, don't give up. You.

Yeah.

Right.

And it was just a great quote. And I would. I had, like, a lot of, like, Division 2 offers and, like, a lot of Division 3, like, places I could go. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go try and walk on a Division 1 program and see if I can't hang with these guys. And ended up going to Cincinnati.

That.

I really just gotten a lot of fortune, to be honest with you. Like Paul Longo. Sorry, Beers. Get me. Paul Longo was a strength coach that came with Brian Kelly, and he's got a moving offensive line. If he would have never came to Cincinnati. I don't know that I've ever been moved. Offensive line.

Right.

Because I had never played the position. I didn't know how to do it. And he was like, hey, I've done this. He did with Joe Staley at Central Michigan, and then he did it with me in Cincinnati before I came to Philly. And it. That kind of sparked everything.

Yeah.

Got a starting job in college. Then you're undersized. I got lucky that Howard Mudd came to Philadelphia. Who worked with Jeff Saturday at Indianapolis. Liked undersized offensive linemen. So he drafted me in Howie Roseman and then got fortunate to work with Jeff Stalin has been the best offensive line coach in the past decade.

Yeah.

So it's like. It's kind of crazy how really just that one little stupid quote led to me walking into, like, the most fortuitous situations.

Right.

Over and over again. Even though everybody else thought I was terrible or didn't think I'd make it.

Right.

I kept getting these situations. It's like, one. The right person kind of believed in me.

I Love those stories, though, because it's, you know, I think there's the one thing I hate when people get very successful and they're like, oh, yeah, I'm just more talented, talented than everyone. Yeah. It's like, no, there's. There has to be.

Well, what do you do with breaks?

There has to be people that believe in you along the way to get to where you're at. And it's really cool to, to hear like, all those people along the way, for sure.

And nobody's so talented that they did it on their own.

Right.

I mean, I guess maybe Miles Garrett, but maybe Miles.

It could have been.

There's like, I think Arnold in his, like, new book, he's like, you know, I'm not a self made man. I'm the opposite of a self made man. There's a bunch of people that help make me be. To be like, you know, this successful.

Right, Right.

And I think for sure most football players are like that. Most coaches feel that way because you realize how, especially in football, like, there's so many different things that you're relying on. Do your job.

When are you going to start coaching? When are you going to be the assistant offensive line coach? Dude, Is that in the future at all? Because, I mean, that would be.

Part of me would love to do that.

Yeah.

But that would be a significant pay decrease.

Okay.

From podcasting.

Podcasting pays well.

So I'm navigating that. There's also just the time commitment of those guys.

Yeah.

It's like, you know, I got three young kids, a fourth on the way, and I don't know that I'm ready for that yet.

Yeah.

But I know that I would absolutely love it. I love, like, the X's and O's part of it. I love being with the guys. That's the thing I miss most about, like, do I want to play in the Super Bowl? Yeah, I want to play in the Super Bowl. I want to be like, with the guys. That's what I want, you know, and when you're not on the field with them, that's you miss.

Yeah.

For sure. You get to say we still about the Eagles, but what about us? Like, if I talk about the commanders, Big Cat talks about the Bears.

Yeah.

We say we. We feel like we're on the pocket.

That's what.

Is that cool?

I'm fine with that.

All right, good.

Well, I say as long as you guys are legitimately. Yeah. You have to be full in. Well, then.

But I do, like, I do catch myself every now and Then being like, they. When it's going bad, I'm like, wait, you got to stay consistent.

Yeah. I think I might have said they early on in the Eagles season when people were down in the. Man, they're really not doing this well.

One thing that gets said about you a lot is that you're a better person than you were a football player.

People say that about me?

Yeah, they say that about you.

Do you realize you making this up on the spot?

This. I've seen a lot of quotes like, he's an incredible person, but do you realize that's we're here to tell you? That's.

That's why I'm here.

Because that would make me honest. Steve, like, you're. You're one of the top. I don't know if you're in the hall of Fame. I don't know how many people are in the hall of Fame, but one of the top thousand guys ever to play football. You're not. You're not one of the top 5,000 people to ever live.

I can guarantee I'm not a good person. I'm a piece of.

Okay. All right. I just want to make sure, because, like, we always say, like, when people are like, oh, J.J. watts, better person than football player. Yeah, dude, he was a really good football player. I don't think he's that good of him.

There's no chance.

Yeah. Like, zero. Can't be that good of a person.

Person.

He's a great person.

Dalai Lama.

Yeah, right, Right.

I've never seen three points that might not have gone. That didn't age well, did it?

No. He licks boys.

Yeah.

That was a weird week on the Internet.

That was a really weird week. Yeah, he just. He was just, like. It looked like he was, like, sending an envelope with a stick.

Is there anybody that is a boy lived up to being a good, like, Mahatma Gandhi? Like, apparently, like, just love sex orgies or something like that.

Yeah, it's always worse out.

Yeah, there's something, and it's like.

It's. It's got to be, like, just some random person that you never.

Wasn't there something, like with Mother Teresa, where there was something.

Oh, yeah, yeah. She's bad. She was a stat.

She.

She was a stack compiler.

I mean, what the.

Yeah, I think she had some bad tweets. She would.

She would, like, go into a hospital and just be, like, blessed, blessed, blessed, blessed. Just, like, walk through the hallways. Room, and she's like, got another 200 today.

Yeah.

Another 200 souls in heaven.

Yeah.

It was garbage time that got added to her lifetime. Dead serious.

You take out the garbage time.

I think. I think Mr. Rogers, if Mr. Rogers, if something bad came out about him, I'd be like, yeah, nothing's real. Yeah, he's a one one solid. Him and Weird Al, I think.

Yeah. The best people are like. It's like some, like, grandma in, like, Toledo or something that no one ever's heard of. That's. That's probably the best person, there's no question.

Yeah.

You're way better football player than human.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you were an incredible football player. Not even.

Not even close.

Not close. No. But people did always. I mean, it seems like, especially in your entire career. Like, you're. You were a locker room guy. Would you. Do you, like, take pride in that being, like, because you, you know, you had roster turnover year over year.

Yeah.

Where you had to play with tons of iterations of a roster where you're like, I'm. I take pride in being, like, the glue guy here a little bit.

I don't know if you ever think about it that way. You're just kind of, like, going about being a teammate. And you. I think when you've. I don't know, when you've been on the end of the stick or on low, man on the totem pole, you kind of just have a frame of reference for that. And I think you. There's always people that, you know that treated you well, that you looked up to, and people that maybe didn't do it as well, and you, like, okay, how can I just be, you know, a good teammate? Right. And I think that's. There's. You also, like, find out. At least I did. I think that a lot of the selfish things that happen in football, specifically where, like, guys get worried about another guy taking their job or, like, they. They don't talk to, like, young players. It almost never works out for the older guy.

Right.

Like, it almost always leads to something bad happening.

Right.

And it's almost always the young guy ends up playing and the guy gets traded or cut. So, like, I do think there's even, like, a bit of selfishness there of, like, hey, like. Like, no, it's actually good for you to, like, talk to this guy and, like, be in a conducive work environment. You're gonna play better as well.

Right.

And, like, at the very end of the day, if this guy's better than you, he's gonna take your job regardless.

Right.

Like, it's an inevitable thing.

Yeah.

You know what? I mean, so, like, you can either be a proactive member of this, and that guy can then be like, hey, like, that guy was really awesome to me. Young in my career. Or you can be a piece of. And then that guy's still going to take your job, and then you're gonna be remembered as this douchebag.

Yeah.

Bitter.

They don't want. Yeah.

So.

And if you can teach somebody how to do something, if you're, like, trying to be helpful, show them the way. If you can actually impart that knowledge, you're learning more about it yourself. Right.

There's no. No question. I mean, we. Stout would actually talk about that. Like, he would have guys. Older players describe plays to young guys. Because a big part of, like, learning something, when you're teaching something, you're actually reinforcing it to yourself. Right. So, like, when you do that, especially in the conf. Context, like a group, like, everybody's collective thought on, like, what this play is, becomes more solidified.

Yeah.

So I firmly believe that, like, you teaching somebody else is actually helping you.

Yeah.

It's really good.

And you're also gonna, like, I. I've even Cam Juergens, when he was a rookie, Landon Dickerson, when he was a rookie. You're gonna find stuff out from them that you can take. Even though they're rookies, they still have frames of reference from the game. And like, college, they're doing creative new all every year. It's like, oh, okay, that's how you guys did that. And then you're like, in your head. Okay, well, that's stupid. Grid. Or you're like, oh, that's really cool. Yeah, try and do that.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Yeah.

I'm fascinated by the. The transition you made when you go to college and you become a lineman and you're what, a running back and a linebacker?

It's a linebacker, primarily. I did like, we were in a wing tee in high school.

Oh, nice.

And I was a. One of the wing guys, and we would run the ball at me 98 of the time. I was just a lead blocker in the wing pullback. Yes. And every once in a while, the entire defense knew that was happening.

Right.

And we. I get an audible jet sweep the other way. So I average, like 9.8 yards of carry because it was wide open.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

But I was a linebacker, so.

So you. You go to college and some coaches like, hey, we'd like you to play center.

Yeah. Were you.

Were you immediately, like, okay, no, I.

Was in Winter conditioning. This is right when Paul Longo got hired. And he said, you know, you make a good center one day. What the is this guy talking about? I've never played offensive line. I'm £235. I thought he was like, just like, with me, like, calling me unathletic. He's like, a line. Like, that was his way to talk me for being, like, a bad athlete. That's what I would thought.

Like, you got fat over the.

Over the winter.

I get it. I freaking put on a freshman 15. I'm doing it. And then I was a walk on in like, three days into spring practice, spring ball, before we started hitting, which was like, the worst part of my game, because we were just doing like seven on seven. I couldn't cover anybody. Like, I was a downhill fill the A gap. My climb back. I was not like, go. And this is probably why they moved off. It's a line. But three days in, they're like, hey, we want to try out offensive line. So I do that for the spring. And then after that, they came up and offensive line coach Jeff Quinn, I was like, hey, we're going to keep you at center. I was like, well, coach, I'll probably just transfer. Like, I don't think I'm going to put on £60, £50 for free. I'm a walk on. I'll just go walk on someplace else.

Right.

And they said, well, if you agree to go to offensive line, we can't give you a scholarship in the fall, but we can give you one in the winter. Like, we're already filled for this next quarter.

Right, right.

But the moment those guys graduate, we'll put you on scholarship. So that was kind of like a quick way that I got a scholarship after my first year.

Yeah, it's my first contract negotiation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then I just, like, loaded up on the double cheeseburgers and french fries, and I had high blood pressure for a year in college because I was eating.

That's incredible, though, that he just looked at you and was like, yeah, you'd be a center.

And I mean, that's what Paul did. Like, he. Again, Joe Staley at Central Michigan, he did with a bunch of guys at Iowa, too.

Like.

Like, he had this knack of just looking at somebody's frame, and he believed in, like, taking athletic guys and making them offensive linemen.

Right.

That was like his model.

So, yeah, I love that. That, like, character trait about a football coach where he just looks at a human being. He's like, sees his Hips. Tight end.

All right.

I don't know if it was the way I was moving or what.

It was really.

Every. Everybody else thinks I'm way too small. He's like, no, you're gonna be good.

Yeah.

Yeah. All right. I got a very important, important question for you. Your Draft King Sportsbook. We're DraftKing Sportsbook. Shout out our guys at DraftKings Sportsbook. We love them.

Yes.

If you had to bet aside in this game.

Had to bet. Okay. And we use it spreads one and.

A half right now.

Spreads one and a half. It's good. Yeah, this was one because we were just talking about all this stuff on the pod and I didn't want to touch anything with the game. I end up taking.

And you got a prop.

Yeah, yeah, we did a, we did a prop parlay. I took Mahomes over on passing touchdowns and anytime hurts. And then a coin flip.

All right. Because I can't do with the coin flip.

I went tails.

All right, There we go. Good calls.

Smart gambler.

Absolutely. Tails never fails.

But it's. Yeah, it's hard. This one's a very difficult one. I could see it going either way. I think the Eagles are really, really talented, but if the game's close, it's.

Always just like, seen it before.

Like, it's Mahomes, Andy Reid, they've been there so many times. So I could see them getting out to a big lead and having a controlling game, the Eagles, but I could also see it being really close because they got Spagnolo. They have a really good defense. I, I, you know, it's, it's the.

Dumbest analysis, but it's also the smartest.

Yeah.

Like, before, I think it was maybe the Chiefs Texans game. I was like, we were breaking it down. I was like, like, I don't know, man. Like, if Mahomes need, if they need a first down, Mahomes will either run for it or find Travis Kelsey and then they'll get it.

Yeah.

And then they'll just do that again and then they'll win the game.

Yep.

I know there's a lot more to football and the defense and everything, but it's like when you decipher it down to like the, the three or four, gotta have it. Plays on offense for the Chiefs in this run has just been moms with his feet or finding Travis.

And their defense is really good. They keep them in those situations. If they didn't have a good defense, the Chiefs would not be a good football team.

Yeah.

I mean, no team would be Good without a defense, but. Well, commanders were pretty good.

Yeah. Yeah, we didn't really have much of a defense. We ended up being, like, average by the.

They got a lot better by the.

End of the year.

Bobby Wagner and like, Dan Quinn did a phenomenal job.

We had a great goal line defense against the Tush push.

There you go.

Just jump over top. Just keep going off.

How much more awarded points?

How much would that suck? Yeah. Being Cam Jurgens, you get a bad back.

Landing on you over and over, it would suck. Yeah, I think it's. Yeah. They have a defense that's going to keep the game within a score, and they have a quarterback that is, like the best of all time with the game that close. So it's. It's hard to, like, pick against that. And that's why they keep winning, right?

Yeah. Have you.

That's why everybody thinks that the officials are on their side and.

Yeah.

You know, it's all rigged for them because how do they continue to win all these games?

That one was real.

Yeah, that one. Yeah.

Have you noticed the difference in Sirianni in that, like, you. You obviously, you know, you saw him when he's early coach, he goes to the playoffs and goes to the Super Bowl. Last year didn't go so well towards the end of the year. Felt like he was kind of losing a little bit of the hold of the rope. But this year they've been incredible.

Yeah.

Like, what has he. Do you think it's just him getting more comfortable with the job?

No, I think they got better players this year and hired two really good coordinators. Not the. That the guys weren't there last year, weren't good. It's just. I think they have better players. Offensively, they signed Saquon. Right. Defensively, they. All these young guys they've drafted have panned out.

Yeah.

Quinon, Mitchell, Quinon Cooper, Zach Bond. In the off season, Jalen Carter has really come into it, like, somehow gotten even better from his rookie year. So, like, they have a lot of really talented players. The young guys have panned out, and both of those coordinators have done really well. I think Nick's been a great head coach since he's been there. He communicates really well in team meetings. He's. He. The organizational aspect of being a head coach. He's, quite frankly, probably the best I've been around. I mean, I was young when I was with Andy, so it's hard for me to. I wasn't like, evaluating the head coach. It's like a rookie.

Right.

I Was like, yeah, yes, sir. Yep, I'll go do that. But, like, now, having been through, like, four different head coaches, he does that very, very well. So I think. I think he was a great head coach last year. There's just a lot of circumstances that led to a deterioration at the end of it. Part of that's like, the defense underperformed offensively, started getting crushed, couldn't handle blitzes. Now they've gotten that structure back, and they're excelling.

And he also knows when to use his kids as human shields.

Dude, he's been doing.

That's the best.

I felt so bad.

It was the funniest, like, most transparent move. I would do the same thing.

Jacob's caught in the middle of this. Like, I just can't wait. If he does win the shoe bowl, I really hope he brings the kids up on the podium.

Just, it's like this giant. Yeah. Here's a question for my kids. All right, so are you ready? We got a whole gang of Philly representation in the room.

Yeah, baby.

Are you ready for some guest questions?

Oh, yeah.

Okay, so let's start with Roan.

Roan. I see him. He's already getting ready.

Yep, Roan's ready to go.

I love that sweatshirt.

You were so you. You obviously feel it. But I don't think there's anyone in Philly that's more loved than you say that. It's not true.

I think the thing about Jason is you look like an Eagles fan.

Yeah.

I think if you were to take, like, one guy in the NFL and be like, does this person look like. So we're from the city of the team.

We look.

We did a look alike thing yesterday with Marriott where? Or Marriott where there's like 25 Kelsey lookalikes, and there's been, like, all these lookalikes all around the city. I just. I think I look like a lot of white guys that have beards and are kind of overweight. The average any city I'm very relatable to.

But I do think PFT's right. It's like 101 Dalmatians. When the owners look like the dogs, you just slowly started looking more like Philly.

It's like with Garden. She was on the Jags. I was like, that dude, he's from Jackson.

Fair enough.

But that's kind of what my question kind of leads into.

Like, Delco, Delaware county has almost become.

Like a national thing.

Like, people know about Delco, and then.

I see you on. They call it late night, and you're like, Rocking the Tims and the hoodie.

Yeah.

And it's like Delco coded almost.

And then like the sea owl stuff. Like, how has that informed your personality? How did you kind of choose that.

That as your tribe as opposed to living in a gated community in South Jersey or something like that? You're in the.

Yeah, I mean, I would not say we're in the.

You're mixing it up.

Yeah, that's what I mean by it.

Well, I grew up wearing the Tim's in. In high school. That was like. I wore a pair of Skechers one time to high school and never again. I was like, dude, I gotta wear something better than this. And all. All the. All the. Everybody who was cool as wore Tim. So I'm like, all right, I'm wearing Tim's from now.

It's proportional to your body. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah. I can't wear, like, running shoes.

That's right. But, you know, I don't know. I think. I don't. I've always identified and, like, I just like hanging out with people that are freaking down to earth. Don't take things too seriously. Just want to, you know, enjoy life, have a beer. So, yeah, I was kind of trying surround myself in those areas. I wanted to be in Upper Darby, actually. And Kylie was like, there's no chance we're living in Upper Darby.

That's what I said.

They have fights every day at school. And I'm like, that's a good thing. We had that in my high school. You learn more about life in a school.

I want to see my kids the most violent elementary school.

Yeah. And then they're like, jason, we have three daughters. Okay, that's fair.

Yeah.

They gotta learn how to fight.

And then real quick, X's and O's.

So everybody's talking about the big thing in the offseason was like, the.

The line calls are going from you to Jalen.

Hurts Jalen.

Yeah.

To Jaylen. So as you're assessing back over the season, how do you feel like he did and how.

What did you do to kind of.

Prepare him to take on that big role?

We've. We've been, like, kind of jointly doing that for a long time now. I would handle it a lot at the line of scrimmage. He would handle extreme situations, blitz zero things that need checks. And now he's taken over for all of it, and he's done a great job. And I think the biggest. The biggest, like, thing that's the most important with blitz pickup is that the quarterback knows where the protection is and he has an answer. If he's going to be hot, that's the most important thing. And now he is so aware of all that that even when it's not picked up up, he knows where to go with the football. It's not a catastrophic situation. And I think that towards the end of the year, and especially if you're going up against a guy like Spags, who's going to overload you if you don't. If you aren't comfortable being hot, it's a bad situation to be in. And I think that now they've handled that so much better. And the numbers seem to say that. I mean, I don't remember exactly what they were, but I know early in the year the numbers against the blitz were like, very, very good.

So I think he's done well.

Yeah, I think so too.

You're doing great too, brother.

Thanks.

Appreciate your questions.

All right, Max, what do you call.

A group of people from Philly? You know how it's like a. A murder of douchebags?

John, but that's in a loving way. Yeah. I mean, I love most.

It's John, right? It's a John.

It's a John.

Yeah, it's John.

Yeah.

The.

It's plural and it's whatever. Yeah.

You.

You met Max over in Tahoe. This is a lot of meat. You are literally his hero. You probably. You saw him in. In the Beer Olympics, cosplayed as you. Yeah.

Nailed it.

This is a big moment for him.

It's a big moment for me.

No, I'm. I'm. I'm cool. No, no. Strong, confident.

We have Jason Kelce at home.

Do you have a question? You still got a question?

I got a question. What? Have you decided what you're wearing for the game yet?

No.

This is serious.

This is serious.

You're blowing.

No, no, I'm not. No, I'm not. Because this is. I've talked to my friends, I've talked to my family. The one question it. Everyone wants to know is what you're wearing.

I know. I don't know what I'm wearing yet. I'm still figuring it out. I was gonna wear a share T shirt to just like, not wear anything. Eagles or Chiefs just go completely different. I have not figured it out yet.

Now just my shirtless.

Do you have recommendations?

Yes. Eagles, yes, that is my recommendation.

Yeah, I understand that.

You know, Chiefs, brother.

Yeah.

You love. Love family, but I mean, yeah, the city of Philadelphia.

There's some family there.

Maybe get Big Dom to give you a tracksuit.

I could just wear a Big Dom shirt.

Yeah.

Big dog.

Oh, that would be good.

Big Dom's the best.

Big Dom's best. We met him finally for the first time yesterday. He told us he. He just pared down his entire closet. He only has 131 tracksuits.

I mean, it's what he wears every single day. It's like the funniest stereotype I've ever seen.

And Lane Johnson was very. He was like, I've never seen his legs. He's like, I don't think I either. He's like, I've never seen him run. I've never seen his legs.

Yeah, I mean, he's fully tracksuit. Every single day you see him.

Yeah.

You go in there before the game, there's Canolis and, like, freaking chicken cutlet sandwiches.

You got the life force behind the Philadelphia Eagles, and I believe that.

Yeah.

I. I mean, look at our record when freaking. He got kicked out of the game against San Fran, and all of a sudden. And I mean, there's something to it.

Yeah.

He's been a mainstay in Philly for a long time.

Yeah.

All right, Max, you want.

All right, last question. I feel like the Super. Like, the most recent super bowl was when you became, like, nationally known for, like, a personality and everything.

Yeah.

I feel like in Philadelphia, it was this. It was the parade speech.

Yeah. Seventeen. Yeah.

That was, like, where everyone really. Everyone knew we had a great center, but that was when it was like, all right, this guy is, you know, the face of this city as far as personality and everything goes. What would. Did you, like, have an idea of what you were going to say going into that and then just kind of went off of that, or did you write everything down? Like, rehearse it? What went into that, going into that speech?

Didn't write it down. But it wasn't, like, off the cuff, like, either, because, you know, you win a shoot bowl and, like, you just think about this stuff. So, like, the moment you win, you're, like, thinking about everything you had to do in your career to get there and all these things ahead to go right. To accomplish that lifetime achievement. And you're, like, thinking about that initially, and then you start thinking about, like, oh, my God, like, not think about Nick Foles and, you know, you know, Lane Johnson, like, all these guys, their career story arcs as well. Now you're thinking about even just, like, the season, how a lot of these guys were kind of, like, misfits added in, and you Think about Doug Peterson. Howie Roseman was just on the other side of the building. So, like, all that stuff starts going in. So I kind of knew. I remember like, three in the morning. I like, wake Kylie up. I'm like, hey, like, what do you think, like, about this? I gotta like, say it? And she's like, will you go to sleep? And so I kind of knew what I wanted to say.

I knew I wanted to kind of go through the coaches, then to Howie, then go through the team, and then draw back to Philly, and that's kind of how it ends.

Weapon.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Good job.

That's it. I love you.

Yeah. And then last one.

What are you wearing?

Yeah. Yeah. What are you wearing?

I will be wearing my Eagles overalls underneath a black sweatshirt that Big Dom gave me. So I can't now.

My ass is just.

Good.

I actually like that butt crack out is out for this.

All right, that's it.

Good job, Max.

All right. Kate's last.

That had everything. Everything. We expected more.

Max. You are all these people's heroes, you know that? Kate is last up. Who you. You met at your event.

Yeah. In Seattle.

Jersey shore. Yeah.

Yeah.

So many notes.

This is going to be weird.

You got this, Kate.

Oh, hi, Jason.

Jason.

Hi, Kate.

You probably remember me from the Eagles autism fundraiser last summer.

Yes.

Where I drank so much that I donated a thousand dollars to play flip cup with you. And then I lost. And then later that night, I had a full blown panic attack because I had just yelled at Pat for buying a $99 beach umbrella the day before. We got into a huge argument. How are you doing?

Doing good.

Good. Yeah, that was cool. So my thing is roasting a little bit. I've been on here before. I roasted Chris long.

Okay.

I think you have tough skin.

All right, let's do it.

Here we go. In 2007, the UC Bearcats won the Papa John's Pizza Bowl. And here in New Orleans, you were in the 2010 Sugar Bowl.

Oh, God.

Maybe it's time for a salad bowl. I'm just kidding. I like my men how I like my Campbell soup. Chunky.

Yeah, yeah.

But wow, look at you. Post retirement. Podcasting, singing, late night TV show, beer commercials, NFL commentary. Flag number 62, holding onto relevance.

Holy.

My God. Taylor Swift has songs like, like blank space. And you need to calm down. What's it like to be such a big inspiration to her? No, you know what? I can't roast you. I can't do this. I don't know if you could tell. I'm a huge Eagles fan, and I'm a huge fan of you. And I have an ulterior motive, and this is genuine. I want to become part of your inner circle so bad. I want to get in with your people. Shout out Emily.

Her.

I've been texting her about kids stuff. Yeah, we're super cool. So I thought, you know, my mom havertown up behind the Manoa shopping center. I'm sure everybody knows the Manoa Shopping center, dad. Drexel Hill. Down the street from Maple Lanes.

Bowling alle.

You know, I pretend to be from Delco. You're from Delco. That's a. So I thought we could go over some things we both have in common, and maybe you could decide to, like, pull me into your inner circle.

All right.

Instead of kids. We've both lost rings. You lost your super bowl ring in a pool of skyline chili.

I did.

And I got divorced once. I don't know for sure, but I'd say both. An enormous amount of pubic hair. It's true. You played for the Birds. And I've been told I look like Larry Bird. My mom also prefers my brother. We won't say it out loud, but we both think Patrick Mahomes is a fucking dork. I know we do. You were a fast offensive lineman. Back in my prime. I was offensively fast with lines and men. We're both obsessed with your wife. Yeah, big time.

Definitely.

Someone got in your face to call your brother the f slur. That used to happen to me, too, in high school. But my brother was on the robotics team, so it checked out. Wait, there's more. We both know what it's like to have haters. Yours, because you're incredibly smart, you're kind, hard working, and that leads to a lot of success. People get jealous of that. And mine is more of a personality thing. People just kind of hate me because.

Of who I am.

Really, though, I admire you and your family, So I have to do it.

Sorry.

I admire you and your family so much. I love that you stayed in Philly, that you continue to highlight the team in the city in such positive and fun ways all the time. And what your family does for Delco and businesses there. And the Eagles Autism foundation is amazing. And I just. I just love you.

You okay?

You're still fat, though.

Thank you.

Oh, man.

Officially part of the inner circle.

Yes. Has to be. All right. Well, Jason, this has been so much fun. We got one last question. Roback question. R b.com promo code. Take 20% off your first purchase Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com promo code. Take Kate mentioned it. How does your wife deal with you? Because she actually, I think, is like a role model for all idiots out there. Like, I know personally, I. I'm like, look at him. When my wife is like, you're being an idiot. I'm like, but he's got his shirt off.

Yeah.

I've actually been told not to. Like, I've done a lot of. In my bar stool career. I told you about eating vomit.

Yeah. Yep.

My wife, literally, the only thing she gets mad at was when I take my shirt off. She's like, just stop taking your shirt off.

Really?

Yeah.

She has an issue with it.

My pants. I do everything. She's like, just don't take your shirt off.

Why do you gotta do that? Nobody wants to see that.

Like, come on. Yeah.

I have no idea how Kylie puts up with me. And I think. Yeah, yeah. You have to ask her. Emily, do you know how does Kylie handle me? Emily.

Emily. Yeah.

Yeah. She just tells Emily.

I think. I think. I don't know. We just.

Yeah.

I don't really know how to answer that question.

It's just great.

I think I'm a. I am a half Neanderthal, half 21st century human being that functions very much by the seat of my pants. And luckily, my wife puts up with me and loves me in a way that she sees my flaws and runs with them. And. Yeah. I don't know. That's about.

It's all an answer for it.

Yeah.

You're real. That's.

I think.

I think that's what people love, is. You're real.

Yeah. I think the biggest thing that's a struggle is, again, like, I am awful at sticking to any type of schedule or knowing what I'm going to do. And when you have three kids.

Yeah.

And a fourth on the way, that's like the number one thing anybody wants. So that's the biggest thing. But, yeah, outside of that, she doesn't care that much when I take my shirt off. Except for the one time I did in front of Taylor.

I'll say that your performance at that game, it was. It was perfect because you were. You were obviously hammered. You were having a great time.

Very.

Yeah.

But you also didn't do anything embarrassing. Like, you just. All you did was skyrocket to the top of, like, most average dudes, like, number one guy they want to drink a beer with.

Yeah. I find most of the time when I do embarrassing things, it ends up Positive.

It could have been way worse.

I think most people like having fun. People see that and they're like, man, like, as long as you keep having fun.

I just, like, I've always. I've always watched the Buffalo games and like, I love when Fitz takes his shirt off. And like any fan outside in a snowy environment. Yep, shirt off. I'm like, that guy's the coolest dude on the planet.

Yeah.

I don't know why, but I like that.

Oh, yeah, I agree.

So I'm like, all right, I'm gonna do that.

Yeah.

But I can't do that in the suite. Like, I'm surrounded by heat, so I gotta jump out of the suite so.

That this makes the real feel. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That actually makes perfect sense. All right, well, Jason, thanks so much, man. We really appreciate it. You got a ton of huge fans here. Keep crushing it.

Thank you.

Don't crush too much. Like you have football money. This is our live.

How many podcasts do you a week? What's your schedule? One a week.

We're doing one a week.

Yeah.

Maybe one every other week.

One every other week.

Yeah.

This is our livelihood. You're doing this.

You parachute it in and you try to. My culture is not your costume.

Just.

Just relax.

Okay.

Well, I think we admire everything you guys do. I think your guys show is fantastic. Max, pleasure to sit on this couch with you. Kate, Pleasure to be roasted by you, all the Philly people and non Philly people associated with the show. I'm a huge fan, so it's an honor to be here.

Thank you, man.

Shout out, pug.

Yes. Shout out.

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Okay, we now welcome On a very, very, very special guest. It is now one of our favorite annual traditions. It's the Schwam. Chris Berman, before the super bowl, had to have you on. Let's start with this. How are you feeling overall? You congrats on 45 years of ESPN. Yeah, hard to believe. Are we going to 50?

Well, hi, fellas. La Rocco Leconcha, named after Andres Galarraga, the big cat and the commenter, the rock hunter, the explainer. I never thought of that number until I did a couple interviews about 45. And I'm the first at ESPN to get to 45, which again, I don't know if that meant I climbed Mount Everest or discovered the North Pole or what it is.

Yeah.

There was never a goal. And a couple of folks like you said, well, have you thought of 50? I said, actually, I have not because that was never a goal. But, you know, we have our first ABC said Super Bowls, But ESPN has their first super bowl in a couple of years. I think they want me around for that. I mean, I'm not saying they should, but I think if I get there, that's kind of 47 and a half at this point. Either tush, push it or give it a Marshawn lynch and get in the darn end zone.

Right? It really is.

So it would be cool.

It's outside of espn, just that many years in this business, which, you know, is a cutthroat business, and people are always trying to knife each other and, and people don't last for this long. It's, it's a testament to you and your talent. Like, it's incredible. So I, I, I'm there for 50 if you want to, if you want to do a big party, we're there for 50.

I think this is the site. I mean, you guys treated me like royalty. I'm really not sure why, but, but I love it. Like I said, I get stocked, stopped nine months later after we do the super bowl show and either tells me one of two things. They go, your show with a part of my take eyes. It's great. It tells me one of two things. It tells me it was really a great show and they remember it or the rest of your shows are terrible. I, I really haven't decided yet, but I'm here to bail you out. All right, so 50, if they'll have, look, if they're stupid enough to have me, I'd love to do it. Because it's football.

Yeah, it's football.

Football.

Then I come after football. I don't do Everything I use.

You actually now have the job that we really like lust for is that football, do football and then after football be like, hey, you know what? We're going to take six months off, play some golf.

I work pretty hard to do this.

I know. You deserve every second of it.

You know, now I'm going to have to live a long time to play the golf. If I can shoot my age, I'm going to have to, to live to about 80. Shoot.

Okay.

But you know, we'll see. Maybe we can lower that to 84, but thank you. It is, it was never a goal.

Yeah.

And if we get into this with goals, like, I'm going to do this, I'm going to be famous. I'm going to make this kind of money. We don't get there.

No, but once you reach this stage, you, the numbers in front of you have to think about it.

Yeah.

It's not the, the start. At the start you weren't like, 50 is my number. But you're so close. It's like, yeah, 50 would be magical. We'll build a statue, be the first.

Well, I don't need that. But, but, or some. You put my face somewhere that they could throw darts at. Yeah, but, but it would be a 50 year employee at ESPN. There may not be another one. Yeah. Because times are different.

That's what I'm saying.

That's so hard, right?

Yeah.

So at any rate, so I'm in. I'm glad you're in.

Okay.

Yeah, we got that going for.

It's a party of three at least.

And a party was the key word.

We, we love, love how much you love football. It's very clear that you still love football. I don't know if the game has changed. It's obviously changed on the field, but like your relationship with it, your relationship with the game itself, it's gotten so much bigger. All the, you know, media, all the marketing around it, There's a lot that is wrapped around football that's changed over the years. But in terms of you and the game, how you see the game, has that changed or has that kind of stayed the same?

Stayed the same more than you think. Now that sounds goofy after what we've just said. I mean my first super bowl, just to put it to that was Super Bowl 16. The Niners first one. And you know, the amount of media coverage, I mean it's A versus Z, obviously and a different media. So it's okay. What surrounded even, like Even media day 10 years ago, you still, on Tuesday were In the stadium, interviewing the guys.

Right.

You know, now it's Caligula or whatever they have, you know, on Monday. And it's okay, you know, 10, 12 years ago, I did the draft. Well, I did 35 of them, which doesn't make me good or bad, but it's whatever the number is. Until 10 years ago, like the biggest we'd see the Radio City musical, which is. Oh, my God, the history. And it's 5,000 people and it's fun. And now we have half a million, you know, 250,000 people outside, maybe waiting for a name in 30 degrees and. Okay, well, it'd be Green Bay. I mean, how's that gonna. Well, I mean, it is April, but still. Yeah, so. But the game itself, I mean, we're not getting xo. I mean, we could do that too, because the Chiefs are a perfect reason to go exo. Comparing them to the great teams that repeat it, you know, that's actually fun when you think about it. Yeah. It's still the last game, I think. Okay, you guys are in at 7:30 in the morning. Not like that's the worst thing. There are plenty of people that go to work at 5:00am you know, you're in and you're going to know the game plan.

So there's still a lot of old world. Wrong term.

No, but you're right.

Older world, this is the way it's still set up week to week when you get there. I mean, the money and the this and the fame and this is all different. But success, they still. And look, they'll play 18 games. If it's not next year, it's a year after or whatever. And they'll play in Australia and they'll play whatever, but at the end. But still not playing 162 games or. Or 82 games every week matters. It does. You can have two off weeks and you're still okay. Yeah, but you better not have four. Yeah, yeah. And that's still, you know, the coaches go to work kind of the same way they look at these films or whatever they're on now, you know, on Tuesday nights when the players are, you know, their day off. That really hasn't changed.

So it's.

It's changing the way they do it, but not that they do it. Does that make sense?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I kind of like it. There's still a. And when I see a pocket passer, which we don't, I still think of the first videos I'd see of Johnny and Itis. You know, like. Or Namath who is my guy who I grew up with. And when there's a perfect pocket and it's a pocket play which the minority now. Right.

Yeah.

I see it. It's like ooh. Or I see an old fashioned screen. Old fashioned screen. Go back and you're in and you don't. Oh my. There's. When we watch the games on Sundays like you guys do. And my favorite is when Baltimore does it to Ricard.

Okay.

The fullback.

Yeah.

Yeah. I always beg John Harbaugh. I get. Come on, this is a week you can, you know, give me one. And it's like the ball floats and he's not mercurial. He's not Lamar Jackson catching a screen pass. And then the three blockers you can see on tv. Oh, this is set up great.

Yeah.

And I still remember those plays. Again, it's a long answer for. I'm still excited about. I still think there's a lot of similarity.

Yeah.

Baseball's a. I think football still holds the most. Maybe 45 years ago. That's the right thing to say.

Yeah. It's still business. It's still about. Yeah. Yeah. They get.

They should. You know, they can change the game. They can make. Make certain hits illegal. It's harder to hit the quarterback, all this stuff. But anybody that says like, oh, they're. They're turning to flag football. It's try stepping out on the field.

Yeah.

It's a very. It's a very violent sport. Yeah.

So. So you mentioned the Chiefs. You are a student of the game, historian of the game. If the Kansas City Chiefs win on Sunday and they complete the three peat, are they the best team of all time? And if not, who do you have?

Oh, that's a tough one because we're. We're in the world of goat again. The team is not that. What some other.

It's never been done.

No. So here's the thing. And of course their fourth one's not that far back. If they get it.

Yeah.

Philly is the best team they're going to play. I mean this would be rough. We'll get to the game for them. I majored in history of college, which neither here nor there. There, you know, did I. Did I go on to be a Rhodes Scholar in it?

No, I'm saying maybe football history as well. Didn't use it at all.

Right. Well, no, I do. You gotta say.

I don't.

Well, we're in the United States, so you gotta know who. You know, Abe Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson and I throw them in every now and then George Washington, he's on the dollar bill. And you know, Andrew Jackson in Mississippi, New Orleans, you'll hear him this week. I'll trot them out.

Okay.

And so first of all, I'd like, I've been thinking all year that we might see it, but certain things had to happen for them to get to this place. Last year they won for the first time. But they beat Baltimore, Buffalo and then Baltimore on the road. I don't think their defense is quite as good as last year. They would probably admit that and say that is still better than the one that won the first time. But their offense was better than. Their passing game was better, I think. And they also knew that they did not have to beat both by working their tail off and blocking field goals and having the Raiders fumble the snap and doinking it in off the upright and the size 15 shoe on. Baltimore with a size 13 foot, I mean we could go on and on and on. Oh, they're lucky to win. Wait. Well, all that got them home and they did not have to play both Baltimore and Buffalo. I don't know that they could have gotten through the two of them on the road like last year. That sounds like I'm saying they wouldn't have won.

No, but you're right.

I, I, I don't know that they would.

Yeah.

So are they the best team of all time? The fact that you won three and Pittsburgh won two, but four and six years, I still look to them, but then again that's 50. You know, I was young.

Yeah.

And football was different. And the difference. Well, because Mahomes is constant, the coach is constant. I mean, I really haven't thought about this. Yeah, that question.

Yeah. Because it is history.

Chelsea's the same.

But Chris Jones.

Yeah, Chris Jones. But they're not a lot of others. Whereas Pittsburgh, although that, you know, that was, you know, two and then not and then two, four and six years. You didn't change rosters because you couldn't.

Right.

They played until they were almost too old.

Right.

Because other than the draft, you're not, there's not where we're getting players. So guys who are in their 12th and 13th year, I mean the Steelers were kind of 78 Steelers for one year kind of come to mind. So best team, meaning in a five or six, seven year span or best single team, because the Chiefs might say we've had the offense that won the first one, which remember they trailed by 10 in the fourth quarter of San Francisco, whatever. It was 11, it was 10. I think. Right. 10. But they had younger Mahomes, younger Kelsey. Not necessarily better. Actually not probably. But still them, Tyreek Hill and Sammy Watkins, they. Last year they couldn't catch the ball. I mean right.

Until the. Until they had to.

Yeah. Right.

So. So it, I'm taking a long time because I want to give you. So the fact that they would win three in a row, does that put them ahead of any other three year span?

It's such a funny question too because like you said, this individual team.

Yeah.

You could, you could make the argument that the 160 Patriots were a better team than these Kansas City Chiefs. But look who's you know, got the opportunity to win three in a row.

Correct.

And it's just going back. You know how hard it is to get back up because it's never happened. You know, there's, there's been great teams. Cowboys won back to back, the Patriots won back to back. Like there's these great teams in the history NFL. But to be able to get back off the mat again and put together this season, it's incredible.

It is. As you know, guys know, no one's ever made it back to the Super Bowl. Yeah, I mean you would think one of them would have, but a lot of times they ran into a team that was going to win the Super Bowl.

Right.

Miami, that's going way back. Well, that was the sea of hands. Excuse me. Pittsburgh got beat by Oakland one of the times. Then Oakland won that first Super Bowl. So because they're not blowing teams away, you can. The easy argument would be, well wait a minute, did you see those Patriots? Except they don't have a championship. So they almost eliminate themselves in the last minute I guess in this discussion. Although they were great. The Bears of 85, which is for a one year team that was like whoa. Obviously the 49er team, they went 15 and one the year before that. More recently New England. What would I say? They're well, their most wow team because they scored 50 every week was. Was the 07. Right. But their best team of the run was oh, four of those three and four years was all four. They had a big running back. They had Corey Dillon, which they did not have the other two years in 01 and 03. And Brady was better, you know, than he was in 01. Although hard to get, much better than clutch, etc. Sounds like I'm dancing around the answer because I don't know.

One year team, it's hard to. But yet. Okay.

The totality of it.

But here's the Thing actually, we should throw that all out the window and say the following. No team ever even made it back to the super bowl and they've lost one game since Christmas that they played everybody.

It's pretty insane.

So if you just say that, you don't care if it's 50 to 3.

Yeah.

I don't know. Do you think.

How about not using the word best? The greatest?

Yeah, I think it's. It's. It's. And Andy. Obviously there's a lot of parts to a football team, but I think it puts Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes specifically at a different level because of that. Just the accomplishment that has never been done. And we know how hard it is to get back there. So if they do it, it's. It's going to be one of those, wow, We. We probably won't see this ever again.

I don't think we will it just because of the way, you know, it's been the longest run. 20 years from New England. We've never waited. Had waited this long. You know, with the way roster, like in the 70s, they didn't change. So if you were Pittsburgh, you. Well, you're also playing Oakland and Miami, but you know what I'm saying, they were very. We. I don't think we would see it again, at least in my lifetime. You guys are young. I mean, you just turned 40. I mean, I have socks older than both of you. Okay. It does rain the basement, it gets wet. You have to back up. But I'm not. They're of this run and they haven't beaten Philadelphia yet either. By the way, their defense of this run was the best last year because they had snead in addition to McDuffie. You know, although those young ones have gotten better. So when Chris Jones takes three guys, Carloftis and Leo Chanel, number five, good perfume.

Manager hasn't lost the playoff game, huh? Yeah, those guys that drafted in 2022 have not lost a playoff.

Yeah, that's when you say that. And by the way, Mahomes is 17 and 3 in the playoffs.

It's crazy.

Bart Starr was 9 and 1. Mahomes is next in percentage. 9 and 1. He lost the first one, by the way, and won the other nine.

I wonder what Brady's gonna say during the game if the Chiefs win and if they win convincingly, like, do you think Brady's gonna take a moment and just. And almost put Mahomes like in his place historically? Is he going to want to do that?

I. I think so. I don't Think Tom is so wait a minute. Nobody's approaching me. I think I know Tom some have I talked to him this year. Really not. But if we'd see each other we would but go back to 01. I think Tom always felt embarrassed if he was put prematurely ahead of Joe Montana. If you just want to say one but Joe was his hero.

Right.

He grew up the Bay Area. So Tom lived it from the others. I don't think he's going to be. Well, nobody's approaching me.

Right.

I don't. I. I don't see that in Tom.

What.

What would be the purpose?

Right.

It's a good question. I. I think what he would say is the kind of stuff that. That Teddy Bruski says week in and week out on our. On our morning show was a really good show they had this year. I mean in my old show. But I have nothing to do with it. I mean I've said that I did a few interviews and I got a piece Sunday on the other eight teams who tried to three peat him. What happened to him? I already did that but we'll see. Hopefully it runs. I don't know but I recorded it. But I don't think the fact that they find a way to win and they expect it to win and maybe the backup left guard also expects. So he's in there in the fourth quarter. We don't even know if it's going to be Patrick or if it's going to be block a kick. We expect to win and we expect the other team maybe to make a mental error somewhere. Somewhere change their game plan a little bit. Just a little. Which sometimes. Oh they changed at the last drive. They didn't suspect that they won.

Yeah. But every time. Look at the championship games against. Against the Chiefs. Buffalo played great.

Yeah.

Yeah. That catch with Kincaid, he's getting tough play. Okay, but another call. Did he make it? Did he forget it? But did. Where was Cook on the last series? I know again but I don't want to say. How foolish are you? It's not for me to say.

Yeah.

It's just Baltimore gave up the run pre Derrick Henry last year a little early. In retrospect it was only a 10 point game. A little early. I'm not saying that that makes Sean or John or their offensive coordinators. I'm not saying it's just. But sometimes we're going to make a change because and Spags was ready for that.

Yeah. And it's also the testament to their. The chief's greatness is they make Teams panic a little, you know, where they. They will do something different because they're like, we're playing the Chiefs. We can't make mistakes. And then they get you in that. Like the Baltimore game last year, the AFC Championship game. I thought the Ravens panicked.

You know, not so much.

Not so much. The Bills, I. I think there was a couple plays and. And the. The few wrinkles that Spags put in, that Andy Reid put in, that's sometimes the difference. That's why the game is so much fun to watch, because you just don't know what's going to happen.

Which leads us to the thing, and I'm not trying to lead the witness here. I mean, you guys interviewed interviewing me, but mistakes. Philly in the playoffs is plus 10.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Chiefs are actually minus one, which doesn't mean anything, but took the Chiefs all year to get a plus.

Yeah.

Which again, defies. But you didn't lose any games.

Yeah.

So Philly comes in, I would think, pretty darn confident that we're not going to make mistakes. No, I mean, because they have not. I mean, by the way, they've lost one game since October 1st.

Yeah, they've lost one. They've. They. They have. Yeah. The Bucks game, Week four.

September.

September was the last time they lost a game that Jalen Hurst finished the.

Whole game very good.

Yeah, it's. It's pretty crazy. I mean, their defense is lights out, and Vic Fangio's lights out. Do you want to give us your pick?

Let me say the biggest thing in the game that obviously the Saquon Barkley plays for the Eagles, and he ran for 2,000 yards, by the way, in the playoffs. 205. 1. You know, he averages whatever it is, 7, 6.7 yards of carry the line. Oh, he's hurt the center. It did. No problem. Now, I find this the most intriguing part of this game. Look, Steve Spagnolo has been around a long time. Andy's been around a long time. They all have a hand in the defensive game plan on those bags. You haven't seen game plans to show back to. Not that we're going back to the. To the 40s or the 60s, 50s and 60s with Jim Brown or even, you know, the running backs with. Where, ooh, there's a 2000. Or in Henry's case, 1900 yard back. Been 10 years since Adrian Peterson. Like who? Somebody like. Whoa.

Yeah.

Okay, well, if their quarterback plays great, then God bless you, you're going to beat us. Here's a game plan. It's not oh, they have a good passing attack too. They like to go to you. The other team likes to go to you. I get it. But okay, this is a different. How do you then they play good running backs. Running backs that are good, but not this good. With this good align, what kind of game plan are we going to see? And the three of us aren't going to be smart in the way you guys might be. I'm not going to be smart enough on TV or I'll be at the game. But what you at least see, oh, they're playing this linebacker to come up and chip. I, I, I don't during the game, I'm not that smart. So. But how does it turn out? Is there a number that you got to keep him to. I don't think that's the case. Like when Buffalo beat Henry, he was under 90, right? 85, 86, 84 or whatever it was. So. Okay, but if he gets 120, which by the way is not a lot to ask, is that enough to tip it that we haven't made game plans like this?

Yeah, not with my team. I find, I find that interesting as hell.

I think it matters a lot how he gets that 120. So he gets, you know, he breaks off a 70 yard run in the first quarter, scores a touchdown, kind of bottle him up a little bit after halftime, I think. Yeah, the Chiefs should be able to win a game like that. But if it's just constant, you know, he's, he's breaking off nine, 10 yard.

Runs, they're getting in the fourth and shorts and third and shorts, you know, it's going to work.

Yeah.

And I also feel like if the Chiefs win and, and the defense shows up and there's, you know, a couple splash plays here and there like we've seen from the Chiefs. Spagnola should be a Hall of Famer as a coordinator.

Absolutely.

I know they don't do that, that for just coordinators you have to be a head coach. But if, if you're the DC for a team that wins three Super Bowls in a row in large part because you dialed the right things up at the right times, put that man in the hall of Fame.

Well, he's done it. You know, had Bill Belichick never been a head coach, which is a big if now, of course. But he already, you know, was on that path himself with the Giants game plans against Buffalo, you know, we're gonna, Thurman Thomas said that they're not going to, we're going to hammer every receiver and if THURMAN Thomas gets 190 yards, which about. He did.

Yeah.

In about 19 minutes or whenever they had the ball. But you're. I agree with that. I mean, that's it.

Why.

Why can't they. Potter never got in with the. Ray guy was great. You know what? He's now the only one.

Like, there's.

There's others.

There's others.

Yeah. And I agree with that. It's just different from a football. Like. No, no one's really. Because the running back is like. Oh, we remember that. Running backs are.

Yeah. This year. Yeah.

Right.

Yeah, it's. It's been a really cool shift to watch because it's, you know, a lot of the. The two high safeties and being like, all right, you got to beat us with, you know, going down the field, 10 yard drives. And now running backs are the light boxes. Running backs have had a resurgence this year.

It's been fun. Yeah, I like it. And of course, the Eagles love run blocking. Do they pass block right now? Hertz threw the ball great that last game, you know, and of course they had a lot of short fields. They had. I mean. But so what? I went back to the super bowl two years ago. Doesn't make me a genius. We can all look it up. Right. You know, Hertz was. We remember. Great. That he was incredible.

Yeah.

He was better than he's played since. Right. So the receivers are the same 3. One caught. 7. And I'm going to forget whether that was the Slim Reaper or. Or was A.J. brown. It might have been Smith, Brown and Goddard. I think we're 7, 8, 7, 6, 6. Catching. Supposing they do that again.

Yeah.

While Barkley runs for just a pedestrian 110, and hertz runs a little. You know, let's see what happens now. What is Fangio. Okay, so Kelsey caught a ton against Houston. If we just look at the playoffs, he had an off year, 97 catches. Just stop. Okay, Houston, he caught a ton, right?

Yeah.

Buffalo, I think two.

Yeah. They kind of took him away.

So where is this go? Is this six is. And what are the six and. And who then on the Chiefs beats them. And we know what the answer is going to be in a minute. But what receivers fever. They're kind of the way they've evolved this year, especially with, you know, Hollywood out. He's back, but we'll see, you know, Rice out. And they were cultivating him. And if Kelsey isn't, oh, my God, we can't cover him. And I think Philly's Pretty good.

Yeah.

Levels who. So I'll give you a prop. Oh, I like it. Maybe not the first one because we were. Yeah, well, you gave, you nailed.

Versus last year. Yeah, last year. And he didn't score first, but he scored, which is a great, great caught the ball. Yeah, Yeah.

I like, I like where you're going. I like it. I love it.

It would be plays inside red zone and maybe what they call the inner red zone or there's another name for it. Okay. You'd be at the 12, but I.

Mean.

DeAndre Hopkins because, because he. Can he get open the way he used to on a 40 yard pattern? Maybe not. He still could. He's DeAndre Hopkins, still tall with big hands. So what do we see down there from the 12, from the 7? We haven't seen it yet. There's, there's, I think if that's the sort of game that the Eagles are going to give them kind of, you know, dink and dunk plays and the Chiefs are going to trust themselves not to turn it over. Okay, now we're at the seven, we're going to eat three guys on Kelsey.

Yeah, duh. Yeah.

Right. And, and then, well, that leaves Hopkins up. Yeah, I, I, that's my kind of.

I love it. DeAndre Hopkins has been such a good player for such a long time and he's played on some terrible teams. He's had some really bad years in his career just in terms of having to show up every day and, and still, you know, he's still always been a professional, but in some situations where it was a little bit harder to do, this has got to be like, he is so focused on this game. This is what he's worked for. This is why he's, he's done it all these years and he finally gets a chance. He's a little bit older. He can still catch the ball. He can catch the hell out of the ball. I like that pick a lot.

I also like a touchdown.

I love, I love the pick. I also like on Philly. I like Goddard.

Love it.

He's underrated. He's, he's leading their team in, in receiving yards these playoffs.

Whose birthday?

Absolute beast. Saquon.

Saquon's birthday. Did you know that?

Yeah, on the Super Bowl.

On the Super Bowl.

Yeah. And Cooper Jean, by the way, how.

Did Howie Roseman draft the last few years? Yeah, those two DBs, kid from Toledo. Toledo.

Mitchell.

Yeah, yeah, Mitchell. And then, and then the Carter and the guys up front, either two years ago or three, they've Remade that defense. There's not a weak bond trade. They. But I like where you're going with Goddard too.

He.

He's. They were a better passing offense than they've been in December, you know, with him back.

Right. Yeah. I bet all his props the last three games is just. Just do it again this season.

Turned around down in New Orleans on that one breakaway run that he had too. Yeah, they were. That game was not in hand. They looked like they might lose that one. And the season was kind of shaky, sir.

Early in the year.

Yeah, he's making some weird decisions. It was. That was a moment that kind of shifted the entire season around for him.

That's a good call. Especially since they reminded me after they won there. You know, we never win in New Orleans. Yeah. I mean, you could look it up. I'm sure they want to. But he goes, we never win. And the Saints had scored 91 points in two weeks. We. We barely remember that team right then what happened? Well, they got in their own way. Yeah, but. But that was a big win. Do you know that? How about. This is an interesting one. I just thought of this. The first game of the year was Chiefs, right in Baltimore. Thursday. Second game of the year was in Brazil. Phil, they're still playing. Yep, they're still playing.

Yeah.

That's a lot of football.

Long season.

I like where you went on the touchdown of Goddard. I like that. I like our.

I'm betting all the Goddard props as well. Yards, catches. It's gonna be a big day for Goddard. Big day.

It's a big guy. Good hands. They. You know, there's just a lot to see. And. And then the other thing I would say back to Spags for a minute. So the blitz that he called that then Josh had to throw. Catchable. But he didn't. It was a tough play. Right. He didn't. Now McDuffie didn't get through, but that allowed Karloftus to get through just like the one late in the super bowl regulation last year that McDuffie did come through. Purdy had to throw in the dirt and they came. Picked a field goal. Other than like maybe go ahead by saying then the Chiefs only got a field goal at the end of senate in overtime. It's not the same blitz, but it was. But when is it coming? Yeah, when is it coming and what is it coming? Yeah, you know, Vic doesn't. He doesn't blitz as much, by the way. As soon as we say that. Yeah, he might.

Yeah.

But he sends one, so that's fine. Because that front. That's. So you said. And four on the one. It leaves him pretty good coverage. I mean, but the reason. Okay, so I think the Chiefs win because the guy I call, he likes this. The electric eel. That's Mahomes. When he runs, he slithers. You know what I mean? It's like. It's not a run. Oh, it's an rpo. And we're rolling out with Patrick. The two runs against San Francisco after we hurt the ankle and then. Right. The run last year. Late, by the way. Fourth and one.

Yeah.

In the. You're down by three, you get stopped. See you later. Congratulations. 49ers.

Yeah.

Four yards. It wasn't even up to the line. Slowly. And I asked him. So, I mean, did it occur to you that, you know, like, the game's over if, for example, you even bobbled the snap and you're trying to run behind?

Yeah.

He's like, no, I knew we had to convert it. And we would, like, really? Like, that's quite an answer. Yeah, it'd be an answer like I would get from Tom or from Joe Montana. So, you know, you look at stats, you know, home 6 for 42, which is good win, and it's always okay. You got a lot a slither for those five extra yards. Oh, it is a four first down, even though it's third and 12.

Yeah.

He got 14, not eight. And we can now punt him in the corner.

Yeah.

It's just. It is.

No one looks at him as his running because he's not Lamar, he's not Josh. He's not.

Yeah.

Name your guy. Right?

But when the playoffs come, he makes those big plays.

It's so much fun to watch. Now, that being said, Philly's going. You're not giving us our due. Because I think they have the least questions, maybe even less questions than the Chiefs of any team in football.

Yeah. Top to bottom, they're roster his lights out.

What?

Sweet. What was the score?

Well, score that I'm going to print, but for your show, I'm changing it.

Because we need that.

We do.

We need the Schwarz, the one that always you'll read. I've told you, it's. It's because when I was a kid and I was watching, and you would do the scores, and I'd be like, what? Why? What is that score? And then I'd see the little arrow next to it, and that's like, oh, okay, point spreads. Okay, this makes sense.

Like 80. The Rams were playing Brett Farm. I had like 85, 82. Yeah, but somebody covered I had the arrow, you know, like, what is he, an idiot?

Well, 22, 18, I'm telling you, a lot of points. Okay. Yeah, right.

Don't get so literal. Or three to two. I used once a long time ago, because why not? Yeah, right. A running knife. So you'll see in print, because I wrote a thing, but it won't be out till Friday. This show probably run before. So you'll see 27, 24, Kansas City. You'll see it. But for this show, for this show, we're gonna go. Because if you have these squares, you're upset. Really? 29, 26, right? Same spread.

Yeah.

You know, 29, 26, chiefs. I. I somehow think that's a little high.

Yeah.

But it could be upper 20s. How do we get. What do you guys think?

How do we get.

How do we get to 29?

Well, I hadn't got to that far yet. I'm walking up here to do this show. I said, I can't give him 27, 24. I can't do that.

These guys will run me out of the building.

I have a 29. Go ahead.

Yeah, I have a future on the Eagles. I think I. I think my squares are 2 and 1. Which are the worst numbers possible.

Want 21.

So maybe 32, 31, Eagles, anything. That's a weird score.

Well, that's about.

Yeah.

I mean, how do you get to 29? There's got to be a safety in there somewhere.

Yeah, right.

I don't know where.

Maybe It's. Maybe it's 21 and then a two point conversion.

Yeah.

You said 29, 26.

29, 26. So if it's 29. Yeah, you go for two once, but that's four touchdowns.

Yeah.

Now Elliott has missed some extra points in the Super Bowl. He's a very good kicker. He's. A lot of the good kickers have had bad years.

Not only Tucker, it started hot and then it started to. And everyone started missing.

But he's made all the field goals. But he's missed three exercises. Maybe that's. And they have to go for something in there.

Yeah. So it's 29, 26 Chiefs. It's maybe 26, 21, Eagles. Chiefs score. And they say, hey, let's go up three instead of two. Of course, 29, 26.

Of course.

There it is.

Safe. Safety. Who would get the safety?

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The best bet. I think I told you this. I don't bet anymore. I mean, a long time ago. That's 40 years. But Swami is all for fun. True. But first mortgage payment. I decided now you're not doing this anymore. That was early 80s. You get a little baby and whatever. So. But I can still root. At any rate, I'm in the hotel. The Seahawks at vs. Denver, N.Y. it's like Thursday and there happened to be a lot of Seahawk fans and they know that I like them and picked them for the super bowl that year. Or I mean, you know, and. And, oh, we know you like us, you know, wearing the hats, great colors. Guy goes. Well, I made two bets, kind of wild ones. I might have told you guys this. I said, okay, what are you. Because I'm at that point, you're not. I'm 10 years ago. It's not as. Sorry. Prevalent is all the things you can bet now, even though they existed.

Right? Yeah.

First score safety. Oh, and whatever. Those odds were like, okay. And. And sure enough, ball went over. Pton said was two nothing.

I had the Broncos in that game. It was not fun.

2 nothing.

It was not fun.

That was.

I didn't cheer.

Hit a two run homer. Right. Right out of the gates for Seattle. Yeah.

Didn't share.

And the other one was. Okay. He said, I also bet. Here's the odds on Denver. Maybe they scored. Remember they scored 600 and whatever points. Right. To win by 20 or more. It could have been 21, but 20 or more, what were those odds? Team scored 600 points. I put money on the Seahawks to win by 20 or more. I went, oh, now let me think about like your question. Okay. Let me think how that could happen. Yeah, Denver's gonna get no points. I mean, you know, 14. Okay, let me think about this. They're gonna Return an interception. There's gonna be a safety which is only two and. Yes.

Yeah.

Because I. Those are the two guys. I never met this guy. He was in the lobby of a hotel. He had a Seahawk ski hat on. I'm sure he was happy.

Yeah.

Safety and Seahawks by 20. It was a pretty big odds that they were gonna roll the Bronco. I was like, okay. That always stuck in my mind.

Yeah.

So to your point. Okay. How do we get to 29 or 26?

Yeah.

Oh, I mean, I don't know.

I'm gonna bet the exact score now. I have to.

Yeah.

I have to change it for your.

Show only you'll see it. I gave 27. 20, but. But for this show.

Yeah.

You're on Goddard for any score or I'm as well.

Yeah, any score. And I'm going to do Hopkins anytime. Touchdown.

I like that.

And tails.

Tails. Big one also here.

Always.

Here's a nice one. I'm on.

Always. It's like roulette.

Like, just go with it. No doinks. It's a hot bet.

No kidding.

Is there a.

Two years ago he bet no doinks.

I bet no doinks in the first matchup between these two teams. Minus a thousand were the odds on it. So I looked at it like an investment. I make 10% back if there's no. No doinks.

Were there where there was a thought. Oh, sure there was.

And it was. It was bad. But I'm simply just going to bet more this year on no doinks.

The do theory.

It can't happen twice. Yeah. Lightning doesn't strike twice, actually.

And they've already. The Chiefs have doinked.

Yeah, right. Yeah.

I mean, so they should be. Be good for no doinks, I would think. Elliot, have they doinked during the season?

I don't know what the. The point you made about Elliot. You know, he's the most accurate field goal kicker in the history of the postseason and he's the least accurate extra point kicker.

I did not know.

I think they're 40440 when he misses an extra point, so.

Oh, they. Well, it means they're kicking extra points.

Yeah, right.

See, that's how you read it.

Right. Okay.

Down.

Yeah.

Okay. So I didn't know. Well, not surprising. I mean, I'm not saying he's going to have a bad. We thought moody, you know, rookie kicker, you know, he's kicking 57 yarders. So no doinks. Is that the same thing? A minus thousand.

Minus thousand. 10% return on investment. I mean, try to find me Better investment than that overnight.

So you got to hit 10 in a row. Not him. Say you've made money. Yeah, that's one way.

That's one way to look at it.

Yeah. I didn't think about it that way.

But I. I might be betting 10 times as much as I did the first time.

So he's making all.

Let it ride.

Yeah, I'm gonna.

Well, I lost like a rule.

Yeah. Yeah.

I learned that I found a system and a. A flaw in how gambling math is constructed. But in reality, I'm probably going to lose a lot of money.

You're gonna win this year. I like it.

Okay.

I want to keep that in mind.

When I watch again.

Here's another stat. Has nothing to do with my pick because if Philly wins, I will not be surprised. I mean, I think the Chiefs are going to win because coach Reed, Patrick Mahomes just. It's not the magic thing. It's just when you've. When you've won this many ways and you're confident that we're going to. Not all going to figure it out, then you've lost.

Yeah.

Like no. Something's going to happen. The kid, the bermihio returns a kick. You know, Tony two years ago with the punt like you just this special, special team. Something odd is going to happen. Here's an interesting number. And again, this is no reflection on Nick Fangio. Vic. Nick. Vic Fangio, who's a great defensive coordinator and you know, put his pelts up there against the Chiefs. 09.

Yeah.

Now six were head coach Denver.

Yep.

They weren't good.

And the Miami teams.

Yeah, Miami last year too. And he was the. Brought in as the consultant in the super bowl two years ago, which I forgot. He wasn't the coordinator. Again, I'm. This is not okay run. Because they're 09. That nothing. It just. By the way, you think he's sick and tired of that.

Yeah.

So maybe he does dial stuff that he doesn't normally dial at a point in the game. That's just the right point. One other thought. Don't you think that Fox or whoever's doing the game, which is Fox, you know, we. We've all invented the line, you know, for the first downline. But for the Eagles, you should only have a nine yards.

Seriously.

Right. I have a green line.

Seriously.

Right. Let's just have it because third and fourth and one when we. They should already be on the line.

Yeah.

The tush.

Yeah. It's absolutely true.

Does that make sense?

Yeah. I don't Know if we brought this up last time, but Chuba Hubbard, and you called him the Chubin Missile Crisis.

That's beautiful.

Was that a moment where you're like, still got it. Like, yeah, the schwam. Still got it. Because I thought that.

Thank you.

When I heard it, I was like, still got it.

I didn't do it. To be again. American history. So there you go.

Yes. There it is. Yeah.

I was alive that man. I was young, seven. I mean, I didn't, you know, Kennedy, Castro, I mean, the Chuba missile crisis quietly the year before, but he didn't have the year like he did this year, you know, and then they won some games and they upset a couple teams late in the year. So you could use it. It wasn't that I still had. It was like it came to my head in like eight seconds. I know. Not while I'm doing it live, but it's right there for the Tuba missile crisis, like, and that's the way they used to come when I was young and had a brain, you know, like.

No, you still have.

Thank you, everybody. Everybody hits the green every now and then.

No, but 150.

Okay.

I watched the interview with Bob Dylan. He was like, I, I don't have what I had when I was younger. Like, I can't just spit out songs like I used to. You can. You can still find it.

Well, not as much as you guys do on your, on your ode to me. I mean, I'll tell you where I, I, I, I don't know if this was last year or this has had just happened this year. So I may have told you about it, but we didn't do it on the show. I don't read Twitter. I don't even know how to go, you know, whatever. But sometimes it's stuff. Stuff flows to me, and I see it. Can you believe Chris Berman is ripping off those two guys? I've read it just a few times. No, it's an old.

It's like, okay, the other one, the other one that we, we laugh at is we do Mount Rushmore season in the summer. And people. And it's, it's an ode to our fans, who are the most loyal fans, but people saying, like, whenever anyone else does Mount Rushmore season, they're like, you're ripping off part of my take. It's like, guys, we didn't invent this. This is not. We're just doing something in the summer when you got nothing to talk about.

That's smart. That's smart. You still got it.

It's our loyal fans.

No. And then they want. They want your take on it. Obviously, Mount Rushmore's not easy. As a matter of fact, I went to Seattle camp this summer. I'm close at the Seahawks. I like them. They had a nice year. Coach McDonald will be good. They're going to be okay. So they asked me for their in house and I think they put it on somewhere. I don't know. Like, I really wouldn't prepare. Like, who are the. Who are the Mount Rushmore for the Seahawks? How about Mount Rainier? Can I go with Mount Rainier, please? You know, and then I gave him Steve Largent. Yeah, of course. Supreme Cortez Kennedy and Big Walt Jones and. Yeah, whoever else I, you know, whoever else I said. But no, that's yours. Take it. Even though. Even though, you know, they haven't put a new one up there. Said Teddy.

Yeah.

Roosevelt.

Yeah, well, there's some.

Never mind. There's some rumbling that I don't even want to go there. I don't want to give it any.

Jimmy Carter, maybe Jimmy Carter, somebody who's in now.

I'll rush more. Come on.

What do. Do you do a fastest two minutes after the Super Bowl?

No, no, no, no, no. I do prime time after super bowl. So you'll see me like we did championship on espn the regular. And it's just interesting. People go, oh, my God, no. I've been doing prime time for like six years now.

Yeah, I know.

Plus, I understand it's 12.99amonth or whatever. It's. I make no money on.

Off it, so I watch it because I have. I have ESPN plus. You gotta. I gotta watch every game.

Well, I appreciate it, but it's like, wow.

Oh, look who just walked in.

Who do we got here?

Another super bowl legend?

Well, I don't know if I'm.

He's a podcaster.

Sit right there. He's a podcaster. Sit. Sit right there. Sit right there. Sit right there.

At the diner.

Sit there. Jule, sit in the seat with the mic mic.

Julian, what's happening?

How you been? I get up, but this couch is deep, buddy.

What's up, man? Good to see you wearing a shirt.

Sit right down.

See, I'm overdressed for this.

He's a big time awl.

Good. How are you on stage at the Boston Garden? I mean, you remember that?

Yeah.

You and me and Teddy and Fluty, we had a.

We had.

We had some good times. Where was. We were at the ESPYs. We were literally at the SBS in 2011, I believe.

Julian Edelman, unknown.

We went out to dinner at. Or we. We went post somewhere. We went to the little diner over there in the mid Wilshire and I. And I was telling them, literally, you got to go on this show. Part of my take. These guys pretty much designed a show off of you. I was probably a little hammered, going a little different.

Wait, dude, this was what year? 2000.

This was two years.

2011. Because 2012 then.

No, 16 is when we started.

Yeah, way off.

Hold on, let me give, Let me give you a broadcasting tip because I can still do that for you. Receiving, you got catches and Super Bowls, you got. Don't ever let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Exactly.

If you tell me it's 2012, it's 2012.

But it was 2016, I think.

2016. That's exactly what you were saying to me earlier.

I think.

Ever.

So, hey, if you. You fly out to la. Hey, what happened to the telephone? Can I just do it on the phone? I know, I know, but my kids are in la, so. It'll happen.

It'll happen.

Kids with little grandsons, they're out there.

It's crazy that you came in here, Jules, because Chris was just telling us a second ago how if the Chiefs win the super bowl, far and away the best team of all time.

I mean, they wanted to goad me into it. However, get your take on it.

Look, this is something that's never been done. And if they go out and win this, this game, there's no reason you can't argue them to be the greatest football team of all time. Not only did they only lose two games this year, they're back to back super bowl champs. And I've been in the situation when you win one super bowl and you go back to the next one, you're America's Most most Wanted every freaking week. Everyone is literally playing their best game against you. Dog. Teams that aren't supposed to play good, play good against you. This team is battle tested. If this is a close game, I mean, they're going to be the best football team of all time, probably.

Which is because they've won in various ways.

Various ways?

Yeah.

I mean, some of the Patriot teams won by 50 all the time, but. But when you win in the odd.

Way, it's odd ways. But they've also won so much where you put yourself in a situation where you're not thinking about stats, you're thinking about what do we have to do to win this game? What do we have to do to have one more point than this team. The Rolex situation, where the time's more important than the ball are the points. All these little situations that we've all heard through the Patriots things and all that. Now, like, you're watching it firsthand with the Kansas City Chiefs, who dominate in all those situations, may not have an electric guy, may not have someone that's going to blow the top off, but they know how to execute when it's a high pressure situation. In those situations.

It's the AFC Championship game that we just watched with the Bills, where we were sitting in the gambling cave being like, you know, it's third and nine. We're like, oh, they're going to kick a field goal here. Are they going to punt? And then I had to stop myself and be like, what am I talking about? They're going to convert this.

I got to go, though. I'm going to do Gruden. Guys, guys, I'm sorry.

Oh, hell, yes. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Well, he could wait for me.

I don't want to steal yours.

This is you.

One thing. So on. You were still kind of relatively unknown. It was Boston after the marathon thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, thing, Right?

Awful.

Yeah, awful. And Boston Garden had what Master Court. Garden did like, after, you know, 911 and one and all the great, you know, Aerosmith, Steven Tyler and, I mean.

James Taylor or no New Kids on the Block were there.

Yeah. I mean, every buffet even showed John Denver. We.

We.

It was. It was great. I mean, we could go on and on and on. So they had four of us, sports other than to intro. We introduced Carol King and. And James Taylor.

James Taylor, too.

So we had. Here's where history came in for me. So Julian was up there.

Doug Floyd, Fluty flutes, Brusky Teddy.

And I said, okay. They did all the Boston stuff. Where am I gonna go? I'm last. And I went back to the Revolutionary War. I said, you know, we didn't fire till we saw the white in their eyes.

We didn't.

I mentioned history down the road in Rhode Island. Remember that?

I remember, like, yesterday.

Oh, my God. I went, you know Paul Rivera? Yeah. One lantern, and he was off.

John Hancock was buried right down the street. I was all in the damn. I was in it. Yeah, right.

I can't believe I'm not shocked, pal. No way.

All day. I just want to say hi.

You did say.

I said, you got to go check these guys out. All right, boys?

Yeah, yeah. All right. I'll see you.

See, Jules, what a year for you. Pretty cool, right? Yeah.

I forgot that I got to enjoy.

For football season for.

I should have.

For the first time.

I should have. I should have done. Yes. And that. And it's funny. You got an owner, you got a general manager, you got a coach, you got a quarterback, all at the same time.

And I haven't had.

And then what? You saw it.

Yeah.

And a franchise. It's your team, but a franchise that there's lot to hang on. But not lately.

Right.

And it's cool. If for football, somebody asked me, what do you think the best coaching job of all the ones that were available this year? And I said, well, I'm not analyzing what their cap is. I'm not analyzing the draft numbers. So there might be different answers. But if. Similar to yours. If you can hit in Chicago. If you can hit. You know, you guys.

If you can.

You can hit. Now that's a big hit. Yeah. Every team in the division won 11 games.

I know, but.

But if you can hit there. So Washington was. If you can hit. Yeah, that was a great. That was great.

I like to remind people too, about. About Joe Gibbs, because I feel like people don't talk about the job Joe Gibbs did in the 80s and early 90s enough. The fact that he won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks and three different running backs is crazy. I don't think we're ever gonna see that again.

No, no, I don't see it. I mean, the only constant. There's a couple of changes in the Hogs, but the Hogs were.

Yep.

I mean, Russ Grimm and Bostic and. I mean, there were a couple of. Chandler Shea was. He wasn't on the first.

Right.

But. But they. But they were. But they had the hot. You're right. Three different quarterbacks.

It's pretty.

None of you know will Doug. What he accomplished. Just the big picture. You know, I might knew him a long time, but they were good. I mean, Joe Tysman and then Mark Rippon, they were all good. It's not like, yeah, they won the super bowl, but they weren't. Yeah, but they're not hall of Fame, Doug. Could be for reasons why. It's obvious.

Right.

But Joe Gibbs is great.

Yeah.

I mean, great coach and. Well, in this case, different quarterbacks. But you got one now. Yeah, this kid. You know, when I knew you had one. Actually, Dan Quinn and I have known each other a long time. I don't want to misrepresent that. I talk to him all the time, but we. When we talk, we talk a while And I said, your first game of the year, you got people at Tampa, right? Was that the first game? He got hit hard. Second quarter, third quarter, remember the helmet was off. He got hit hard. Like, welcome to the NFL. NFL type of hit. And a smile on his face. And I'm watching tv. We. We watch like you did the eight games. So we don't even hear any of the audio. I'm just, okay. He. He loves this. Not loves getting hit hard, but he loves this. That was my Dan goes. I remember that pretty clearly. That's the guy we saw in August. It's the guy we saw, you know, and minicamp and, you know, whenever he signed in June or whatever. And yeah, you got somebody now. It's fun. Fun. The only thing you miss is the stands that used to move an rfk, right?

So we just. I think we got that land back. I heard we're going to develop that RFK2. RFK Jr is what. Some people don't do that. James. I'm gonna be taking these shots in there.

Everybody will have different health, you know.

But no, I think they're going to get that land back. And ideally, it'd be cool if there was a section of the stadium it was like on hydraulics that could bounce if you jumped on it. Like, hey, you're going to the springy part of the stadium. Here's your waiver to sign. Make that thing shake again.

They, I mean, those fans there I was at a couple of those championship games. The, the 82 and the 80, 83. They beat San Francisco, but lost the Super Bowl. So I mean, it was like, whoa, this is. I'm young and covering that. I was like, ding. Look at these stand. They're moving and they're singing Hail to the Redskins. At the time, you know, it's like, this is good. It's good. It's like Detroit. It's good that they were good and they'll be good next year. And Buffalo. So what's going to happen next year? Somehow, unless the Bills have a rough year, which I think they'll be better. They came farther than a lot of people thought in August. Trust me, somehow they will not be on the path of Kansas City in the playoffs. Like, I don't know. How. How do we get to 29? I don't know. I'm not going to. To predict, but somehow it won't something. And they're not going to see him. Not that they couldn't beat him somehow.

That'd be nice.

Remember that we, we. We said it Here it just, I mean it would, I mean they, you know, Tom Brady was. Excuse me, Peyton was 02 again it seemed like. Oh, and 10 against, against Manning was. Owen seemed like 010 against Brady in the playoffs really owing to. He ended up 3 and 2. Now it's 0 and 4 and it's not about who beats who. But anyway, we're, we're digressing because we're talking football.

Yeah, I, I do have a question I don't think we've ever asked you before. What is the best football game you've ever seen?

So I've been fortunate enough. So let me say that I don't go to that many because of all the Sunday shows.

Right.

So in the 80s and so sometimes Monday night games I would go until I was doing all this stuff. So one, you know, I'm in all the Super Bowls. So we could pick any of like 10. Right. So let's. You want to eliminate them for the minute, for a moment while I do this?

Sure.

I was at the Monday night game that Marino beat the 85 Bears. Oh, because they were 12 and old and they were the Bears. I mean in one year they were Bears. Get you and McMahon. And I don't have to tell you every. I mean they're getting. They. I'll tell you my story from that game. So I did the show Sunday. I mean that's like again, we're doing football, we're not in a coal mine. Right. But you know, you go in the building about 7 and you leave at 12:30 at night. Night. And you go home and then take a 6 o'clock plane to go to Miami because you're going to see the game of the year. I think it's still the highest rated Monday night game of all time because the ratings were different then anyway. Right. And the orange, it's in the Orange bowl. Which. Say what you want rickety, it's the Orange bowl. Okay. And hang up to get that. Do my pre game interviews, including Coach Shula. He always gave me one. Not sure why, but he did like at 6:05 on sports center he would be there and get up something to eat, then came back down.

And I'm about 15 minutes before the game. They started at 9:00 Eastern then, so it was late. But you know, you come down, it's under the Orange Bowl. It's like a light like, like a carpenter's light, like hanging like a single light bulb as you walk under the stairs. Like are you kidding me?

This?

And then you go out and the palm trees. It's early December, and you've come from Connecticut. It's nice. And there are the Bears over there. And I. But I come out on the Dolphin side, and to me, Shula's jaw was out a little farther at 8:45. And I looked down, I looked down the bench, I come out and I see Larry Zonka. I see Jim Kick, I see Paul Warfield. I see all these guys are friends of mine. I see Larry Little, you know, and a couple others Nick, I'm sure was there, Monicani. And I went, oh, okay. Oh, I see what this is. They're all here. All Those guys from 72 Dolphins. The Bears are not winning this game. I don't know how that's going to go. And they didn't. And that was really Marino's finest hour because he never went to this, other than the Super Bowl. They lost to Montana. The other one, I'll give. Because it might bring us back to this. I know you want to run out and I mean, you know, you got other people. But it brings us to New Orleans, the game that reopened after Katrina.

Yeah.

So they hadn't played in a year and a half. Right. Katrina was a. Was a staging area for the homeless. I mean, they had 10,000 cots or whatever the number is. I may have my facts wrong. And then they didn't even open for like three games. So it was like late September was their first game. It's a Monday night game, which we had that year in 06. It was Atlanta. And I remember and, you know, it was unbelievable. People were hugging and crying in the stands. Like, you made it. Like, you know, season tickets. You. You're friends with them, but you don't even know where they live. Like, you don't know, hey, did you make it? You don't know their phone number. You're like a family at these games. And when I did, we did the pit, you know, we did. Came out to everybody. I was the last one. Steve Young's on the set, Tommy, et cetera. And they came to me and you could just feel it and what it meant to these people here in New Orleans. I'm tearing because sports still does that.

Incredible. Yeah.

And I looked in the camera and I said, the 78 Steelers would not win here tonight. No way. You can look that up. And. And then Steve Gleason, and we know his story.

Yep.

And he's topical this week. He's still doing charity events, he and his wife Michelle. And I'm going to go to one Tomorrow. And he blocked the kick. I've never heard any place so loud, you know, I mean are you kidding me? And that. And that's New Orleans like that. It reminds us of what a team can be to a community. It was a September game. It was those two is regular season Super Bowl. We could debate for a whole show and I. I wouldn't want to just throw a couple. Huh.

You just say the cat. Catch. You were there.

I didn't get there yet. Yeah, I was going regular season. Those are the two regular season games. Yeah, I'm tearing on that too. Catch would be. It kind of was at the beginning of my career and as it turned out the beginning of my association with the 49ers which that was one of the most. That and the Bills niners of the 80s and the Bills of the 90s. I didn't get into to be a jock sniffer, trust me. But it. I was their age.

Yeah.

I picked them every week. I was doing the 2:30 in the morning show which is 11:30 out there. I went to cover the championship game. Little Chris Berman. I'm 20 whatever. Six, seven years old. Whatever. And one of the veterans, Charlie Young said. Oh, you're the swami, right? Yeah. You've been picking us every week, right? Yeah. I'll have everybody lined up for you. 11 players lined up to do an interview. Go from Joe Montana to you know, Jack Reynolds was the middle linebacker then to. It was so yeah, I was getting there. I was kind of eliminating the playoffs. Oh yeah. G to give me a tissue. I need.

I mean I cry at the Lion. No, no, this is the Gleason one is. Is fantastic.

And by the way, Dwight died of. Of als.

Als. My mother in law passed away from Al. So it's. Yeah. I mean it's, it's a horrific disease. But the, the. The point of the the Saints one which I love is just. You're right. What sports mean for a city in a community. It's. You can't get it anywhere else. That's. And that's why we love this game. That's why we watch this game. It's beautiful.

Yeah.

And the city's been through a lot. You know they still, you know, it's still. You can see the effects still and. But they know how to throw a party. I mean they even move Mardi Gras kind of sort of a week, right?

Yeah.

Like kind of so shorter.

I don't know.

It's like a three week party.

Yeah. Yeah. Well Schwam, you're the best Yep. This is our favorite. We're. I'm so happy this become a tradition. Next year. We gotta do it again next year. Next year will be four, I believe, in a row.

Five, I think.

Five.

One in your place.

Yeah.

I love the cookbook too.

Yeah.

Right.

So, yeah, this is year four. It's seriously something we look forward to.

San Francisco. I mean, now you're.

Yeah.

That's a home game. Yeah, that's. Yeah.

So maybe we'll go to house of prime rib.

Well, we could go anywhere. We could go to the Buena Vista where they invented the Irish coffee. Okay, now you talk about important.

The light bulb is one thing.

Okay, but. But the Irish coffee is another thing. Right?

They didn't invent that in Ireland.

Huh?

The Irish coffee.

Yeah.

Well, at least in our. Look, they claim they invented it.

Like, you know, it's smart. Yeah.

Louie's Lunch in New Haven claims they invented the hamburger. We're going with that.

Okay.

So listen, I'm proud of what you guys have stood for. I don't want to come and blow smoke, you know, but you know that I. This is not. You guys love football. That makes it. That's 80% of the battle before you even open up your mouth on any of your shows. You know, pro football, that's another. Now I'm Yogi. I'm going to run out of the percentages. You know that 90% of the game is mental. The other half is physical. So. But, but you, you, you. You love pro football. You know, pro football. And you're inquisitive about pro football, but you have opinions that are. Okay, I get how you got there. You revive. Disagree. And you know, you, you. That's hard to convince people that that's what you're about until they listen all the time.

Yeah, we love you. Greatest ever do it.

Yeah. And we. And we really hope you understand how much you mean to us and how much this means to us because it's. We've done a lot of stuff. We've been doing the show for nine years and there's a lot of pinch me things, but I think this is at the top of the list of, hey, every year we get to sit down with the schwam right before the Super Bowl. It's awesome.

I wouldn't miss it for the world because it. It the grand shot and the rock hunter and we're New Orleans, so we.

Can speak a little French.

Yeah.

I think Jameson asked us the other day or somebody that we had on the show was like, what's. What's the coolest thing that you guys get to do. And I was like, you know what is like the most surreal moment that I think I've ever had, maybe the happiest that I've had related to this show. When you texted me and Big Cat at the start of football season this year when I woke up in the morning to a text from Chris Burman wishing me a happy football season.

Yeah.

I was like, well, I think I'm dead. And I think that this is a simulation or something.

You know what I mean?

Happy with it.

I finally learned 21st century technology. That's what it means.

Two people at the same time. Yeah.

But only because you guys had texted me together. I wouldn't know how to actually do that. Damn. I'm not texting each one of these freaking guys. That's too much work. It's 7:30 a eastern. That's why you woke up.

Yeah. Yeah. Thanks so much.

I'm glad you made time for me. We've had all different locales.

Yeah.

Scanning invites.

We're moving the next. If you go for the week which.

You probably will do San Francisco.

So we've done Connecticut, we've done the Midwest. Like both north and south. Chicago and New Orleans.

San Francisco.

We're. We're San Francisco. We're truly global.

Yeah.

Well then when Goodell puts the super bowl in in London, we'll do it over there.

You know what? Don't even. I want to put something out there because this show can maybe help. So these international games which are fine, you know, whatever. I said it on the air. So it's not and I don't know when they're scheduled yet but Veterans Day weekend they played in Germany.

Yeah.

Two years in a row. This year it's in the Olympic stadium.

Which do some research on that.

You know what the background like NFL. Do me a favor. Any other week. Germany's great. They're a great ally. Has nothing to do with it. Not Veterans Day weekend.

Yeah.

Before you make the schedule, listen to. Pardon my take.

Yes.

I said it on fastest three minutes that night.

Yeah, I know. I remember that.

Ah. Veterans Day in Germany. Can't misquote me but you know what I meant right? Like don't do it play any other week. I'm good. Bratwurst for everybody.

You know Oktoberfest.

Yeah, sure. I mean there's plenty of things we can do. That's the one day v schnitzel free. You know but. But not enough. You would think I could get that done by Speaking on espn. This is how I got.

We're gonna get it done.

Think of how you.

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My fire fest. We've, you know, been talking a lot about getting older and. And, you know, some thoughts and stuff.

And.

Yeah, I've just. As I've gotten older.

Are you golfing today?

No.

That's what I asked him earlier. He's like, dress for the job you want, not the job you have.

You have golf today.

I don't have golf.

This is a golf outfit.

That's a golf.

These.

Dude, they're sweatpants.

Hey, question. What does your shirt say? A polo shirt.

Tailor made.

Kiss.

Huh? Okay.

You're golfing today. It's fine. It's fine.

Can a guy not wear a polo?

Where are you playing?

I'm not playing.

Did you bring your sticks? No. What track you at today?

No, I got invited to play. I just said no, I gotta work.

Wow. That's progress.

Yeah. But anyway, back to my fire fest. I have just come to the realization in the past year, specifically the last few months, that I may have some irrational confidence about my athletic ability.

No.

And I may not be the athlete that I am in my head. Last night we did a skills challenge and I was quarterback.

That's a sound guy. Shout out, Ian.

Last time we did that, I'm wearing.

A train conductor hat all week.

Yeah, he's gonna have our. Our actual Emily super bowl tradition to get our Our sound guy on the mic.

Yeah.

The train conductor hat is wild.

It is.

You walk in the room, you're like, am I at a diddy party?

Yeah, I kind of like it. It's just like something different.

But I was. I got tasked with being the quarterback. I had to throw to different quarterbacks.

I.

And I put my hand up, I said, I can be qb, which where.

The irrational with being quarterback we were.

Talking about, you know, there was five different positions.

Our.

Our coach, our leader was assigned with putting people in different spots. And I said, whatever you need, coach. And I said, I can throw. I said, I can throw. I thought that I could. You know, again, in my head I was like, I'm an athlete. I can do anything. I'm great at everything. Need me to be a quarterback. I can be a quarterback easy.

But you can't.

That's literally my fire. Yeah, I can't. I'm not. I'm not.

Would you say that I'm not a.

God gifted natural athlete?

If you were a coach and you had one of your players be like stepping up, being like, I can be the qb. I mean, the coach has to be like, hey, that guy wants the ball. Like, let's give him a shot. Not, hey, that guy doesn't know how to throw.

Yeah, no, I'm. No, no blame. I'm putting all the hand up, hand up.

Hank's been consistent about that.

Yeah. Sounds like it's just all blame on yourself.

Yeah, blame on myself. And you know, going back to the dunking thing, it's kind of the same thing. Like, I just. Maybe, maybe I've started to accept the fact that maybe not. The jury is not out yet on the dunking. Just in general athletic ability, maybe. Okay, I may not be as God gifted athletic genetic freak as I. I thought I was.

You got a hole in one, like three swings the other day.

True. Five, but yeah, three for 57 on throws.

Yeah, it was windy, the balls were wet, but yeah, it was. It's all on me. No excuses.

How big are your hands?

I got Pedro Martinez fingers.

Tiny hands. No, somebody said you had tiny hands.

Yeah, you did.

I. I didn't say that.

So next time we get in a situation like that, do it. Do it. Oh, no.

Hey, Hank. Hank, let's go.

He's got you beat.

Well, he's also like three.

Yeah. So next time we are forced into a situation like this and it's like, hey, can you throw a football? What will your answer be?

I say whatever you need me to do.

Okay, so I guess that is different than what you said on Wednesday night when you said, I can quarterback.

Yeah, I said, I can quarterback, I can jump, I can run, I can. I probably couldn't do any of those things.

No, actually, I think the only thing you volunteered for was quarterback.

If that's how you remember it, then now.

Well, no, I have the video.

This is crazy.

Typically.

Not crazy.

Big hats clipped out specific parts and removed context, typically in the NFL situations. And that's fine.

Performs bad. The quarterback is the reason why.

Yeah. It goes quarterback one, then coach. That's usually where the blame goes.

So the beginning of this clip is me asking Max if he could quarterback.

I said I. I said no.

Okay. Yeah. Max said no. Can you throw?

You got tight handies.

You can throw, I can kick. See, that was Hank saying, I can throw.

Or it was me saying, if you.

Need me, I can throw. He says, I can throw.

I heard static shout out Pete. But no, again, I'm not blaming anyone. I'm blaming myself. And. And, yeah, when you go 3 for 57 in front of the world, in front of John Gruden, who's just been roasting me ever since for putting up that performance at Pan American Stadium, it's tough. Joe Burrow came in today, and he was that. First thing John Gruden said to Joe Burrow was, we got this guy Hank over here. He went 3 for 57 last. What can we. What can we do to help him? That was tough.

Can I say something? You do a very good John Gruden.

Thanks, man.

Yeah, that's good.

Yeah.

That got me feeling nicey.

All right. So where are we going forward, though? From here? Is it just like I'm.

I'm just not gonna, like, make these claims that I can do things that I. My body can't. You know, I'm not going to cash checks that my body can't write.

Yeah, yeah. Cool, Hank. That it is growth. Because in the past, you would say, say, well, I. I'm just not going to do any work. No, in the past, everything I do is wrong.

In the past, I would be like big cats. The coach who's got to know me better and know that if I can be quarterback, he should have evaluated my talent and known that I'm not capable of doing that. But in the past, that's what I would have said. Now I'm just saying in the past.

You mean, like 15 minutes ago?

Can I do my firefest real quick off that one?

Yeah, my fire usually PFP goes second.

But, yeah, I know, but my fire festival is that I look up to Hank and he's, you know, one of the younger members of Pardon My Take. And I look up to him to be, like, a good athlete, and I just have to come to the realization I'm just a better athlete than him at everything.

That's sad.

It is.

That's a tough place to be.

If you could have made five of me on that field. And I don't think I'm a good athlete, so I have at least a humble thought to it. And then I go out there and I just stun people.

Yeah.

But I. The problem is I have to just realize, like. Like, if Hank thinks he can do something better than me, I got to remind myself, like, no, he can't.

That's a big fire fest for you. Because if you care about somebody so much and you believe in someone that much, and then they just disappoint you over and over and over and over and over and over again, then it's like when your parents tell you, like, I'm not mad, but I am disappointed. That's the worst punishment of all.

Yeah, you know what?

I was like, like coaching, you know, that's where it's like, yeah, like, hand up.

Hand up, up. Hank just sucks at all sports, and I'm better than him at it. Like, hand up.

But, yeah, you still put me in pretty good. You still put me in the number one position.

Well, you, you, you. That was. I'll tell you what, that was my firefight. That was the last time I'll take Hank's advice on his own athletic ability, wasn't it?

It was again, whatever. Hand up on me.

No, hand up.

Old me only would have been like, hand up. Hey, Cat, did you ask me if I could throw and I said yes, or did I say, I just played the throw?

You did. You said, max, if he could throw. And then you said. And then you butted in.

You said.

Said, I can throw.

Or you said, can you throw?

I can throw to Matt.

And they said, can you throw? I said, I can throw.

No, no, no. Yeah, let's play it again.

Old me would want to watch again.

I'm looking at Max and I'm saying, can you throw? I'm looking at Max.

Wait.

I could throw is what you said. I physically.

I could physically. I was able to throw.

It sounds like big Cat, you're mad at. At old Hank.

No, I'm mad. I'm mad at myself.

What about present day Hank?

I'm mad at my. I'm mad at present day Hank as well. Because present day Hank, like I said, it hurts to know that, like, someone I look up to and I'm like, I. I think he can do everything. Turns out he can't do anything. So I'm mad at myself. Hand up accountability. I'm just better at. Than Hank at everything. Hand up.

Yeah. Congratulations.

Hand up.

I think you should be proud of your team.

Seems like a fully dysfunctional front office.

No, no, no.

It sounds like it's chaos from the.

When it comes to a team, it's all on the players. There's nothing that the coach could do separately. And it's. It's players.

Yeah.

And. And the players let the coach down.

Don't. Don't the coaches put players in position?

No, not when the players decide what position they point.

When the players demand that they can throw and they can't decide what the players think.

Okay, I want to play wide receiver today. And the coach just has to listen.

The problem is if I could clone myself and put myself in every position, we'd be in a better spot because I should have kicked and thrown. But Hank had to do something, and he stinks at everything. So what are you supposed to do?

Hank, I have a question. Why didn't you volunteer for. For high jump or something?

I did.

You're training on jumping?

No.

Yes.

I want old.

Me was saying, whatever you need, coach.

I can throw. I can throw.

I could.

I thought I could.

I started two for two.

What happened after?

It got really windy.

Yeah.

And the balls were wet.

Also my fire excuses. I'm just. Every super bowl week, it. It hits me a little harder. I'm just old.

Yeah.

But still a better athlete than Hank. So kind of reverse fire fest on that one.

Never forget that. Two for two, Hank.

Yeah. No, it was electric.

It. I was.

Japan started off World War II pretty hot, too.

Yeah. And you just missed everything.

They'll always have. What?

Everything. You know what.

No, no, no, no. All that stuff. Two for two.

Yeah. All right. Pft. Yeah.

My fire fest is. I've gumboed myself to death. I realized last night at dinner I do love. I used to love gumbo. I. I don't really want to have any more gumbo.

Yeah.

I'm going to. And I'm gonna try to enjoy it.

But right after this.

After. Yeah, for lunch. I'm about to have another gumbo, but my body is, like, all sodium right now. I'm bloated. I haven't pooped in three days, which is the exact opposite of what People thought was gonna happen.

Yeah.

All this gumbo. But yeah, I'm getting. I. I have to have gumbo for lunch and then I have to have gumbo for dinner, but then I have to sneak a gumbo in in between.

How many are you at?

I'm at 10. So the. The middle five more. The middle gumbo is pregum.

Sunday night one was a big mess when we went out to dinner and there was no gumbo.

I'm gonna pre gum that pft for dinner tonight.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was bad. You couldn't. We knew in the moment too. We're like, this is a big missed opportunity for gumbo.

It was huge.

They.

They had a gumbo, like, dish on.

The meal that was basically you got. You got stopped on the goal line in the first quarter and it was.

Like, it's hard to recover. But guess what? It's not over.

Hank.

I got. I got the rest of the day today. I got all day tomorrow. I. Gumbo is delicious. But I. Last night at dinner, I was just looking at the menu and my body needed. It was craving the color green. I needed something. I needed a green. And I don't know if I'm getting scurvy probably, but, yeah, it's been a lot of gumbo.

I got a solution for you. You could do what some people in this room do, and you can be like, I can eat gumbo. And then when you can't eat gumbo, you can just blame everyone else.

Yeah. Well, you guys did. When I.

When I said old pft probably would have done that.

At dinner the other night, I put my hand up and I said, I've got a good place that has gumbo.

Yeah.

And then we got there and there was absolutely no gumbo whatsoever. But I started the dinner out hot by saying, I've got a place.

Yeah.

And then after that, it all fell apart. I do take accountability for that.

That's huge.

Yeah. But I. I feel like I'm just sweating root.

Yeah. I. Last night I went and grabbed pizza after our competition. Feeney pizza has a pop up. And our friend Sean Feeney, great pizza. But I was talking to him and he was like, oh, pft, we gotta get pft by here. And I was like, he's only eating gumbo. And he looked at me like, what?

That's the other thing. There's so much good food in New Orleans. Etouffee, jambalaya, po boys.

Yeah.

And as much as I want to have it, I just. There's no room for non gumbo.

Yeah, you got.

You.

Your schedule is full of gumbo.

It's gumbo.

Yeah.

You're running a marathon, and you just. You have the runs, like, you gotta. But you gotta finish.

Well, I don't have the runs.

No, I know, but I don't know.

This shouldn't happen. That's what I'm shaving.

You're bleeding from your thighs.

I'm also concerned about that as the finish line is. I'm actually bleeding from my chest a little bit from the waxing. But the. The gumbo blocking me up is a side effect. That should not be happening.

Yeah, it's gonna be the reverse.

It's just my body being like, hey, dude, stop. Stop whatever you're doing. Stop this.

It should. It should be the exact reverse. It should be like saying, like, I can throw, when you really should have said, I can't throw.

Yeah. I would kill for diarrhea right now.

Yeah. Like, old me would be upset that, like, you, like, you want players. Don't you want players that, like, want to compete?

Yeah. But I do realize that right now, like, you could quit. No, I couldn't. I can't.

You got, like, you don't like just because you get put in a situation where you might not excel.

The difference, though, is even though old.

Me would be upset at the lack of accountability by the coach, but.

Situation I put myself. But you know what else I'm going to do?

Yeah.

Even though I put myself in a bad situation, I'm going to finish it, and I'm going to do it, and I'm going to win.

Blame anyone?

No. And I'm going to win.

I did finish it.

I blamed everyone.

I'm embracing the suck cleats in the grass, man. In the arena. I'm going to finish the week. I'm going to do what I said I was going to do. I'm going to eat 15 gumbos come hell or high water. I'm gonna go 15 for 15 on gumbos, which is a pretty damn good percentage.

Yeah, it is.

I said I was gonna throw, and I hit every target I needed to hit.

57 throws, max.

Mine was kind of like that. I. I need. I need some greens vegetable. And I'm still here for. For four more days. And I. I'm.

Oh, I have to go to the Super Bowl.

No, I'm excited for. I'm excited for that. That's. That. I'm talking about my diet.

I'm gonna say, go birds to a thousand people on the street.

All right, all right, all right, fine. I'm excited for. I'm excited for the Super Bowl. I'm big, big diet starts on Tuesday.

Why don't they make just a pill fire fest.

You got to talk about that's going on.

What do you want me to say?

They should make a Super bowl week. They should make a pill for guys like Max that just has a salad inside the pill.

No, I like salads. I'm gonna have a salad.

You're experiencing a full New Orleans. When we came here for the final four, we're here for like six days. You get to a point in New Orleans because the food is so good and the drinks and everything that you just feel like a sausage on a grill and you need someone to come poke you with a fork.

Yeah, that's exactly what I need.

Yeah.

Let's get our audio guy here. Go sit in meme seat. Sit in meme seat. We'll flip the camera around.

So this is Ian.

Ian.

Ian. Trained conductor. Hat Right there.

Sit right there. You sit right there at the desk.

Yeah, there you go.

I didn't have him sit there.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

All right. Come sit here.

Sit here.

I realized this was happening right now.

Yeah, that's all right. That's all right. So this is Ian. He's our audio guy this week. He spent the whole week with us. Also part time train conductor.

What.

What would you. How would you describe you? You basically got to sit in this room through all the interviews, through the bickering, through the ball busting. What. How would you grade our operation?

I thought you killed it. I especially. What was it? What was the best one so far? I think we got Berman.

Who was before Berman? Oshkosh. B'gosh.

Yeah, it used to be like workwear.

Yeah, that was for kids hits.

No, it's like. It's like coveralls.

Oh, okay.

That's sick.

They make full size trains, too.

Oh, I like that. Yeah, Sorry, I. I just got.

Who was before Berman?

Jason. Kelsey.

That was amazing.

Yeah, that was like front to back, we hit it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What about off camera? What you think about the operation? Like off camera?

Yeah, like the.

Well, I mean, my phone went off in the middle of this one, so. Yeah, probably this.

I like that. Accountability.

Yeah, that's big time accountability.

My part is my parking.

Oh, okay. Nice, nice. But, yeah, what do you think about, like, you saw some fights, some arguments, some disagreements. Yeah.

You were being kind of mean to him about the.

The throwing. Yeah, but he said he could throw. Yes.

Yeah, that was probably a mistake.

Yeah. Yeah.

You're really going in on him.

Yeah, but he.

Because he came in here coming in on me.

Yeah, I didn't hear that part.

I can play the clip for you where he said he could throw.

I heard that. I heard that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he can't throw.

Yeah.

You didn't see him try to throw? Seen how bad it was? You would be like, yeah, sorry.

Two for two.

I. I don't think I was mean enough. Because he was that bad. That's pretty bad.

Hank said earlier we'll always have Pearl Harbor. I didn't think.

Yeah, he did.

Yes.

Max is my boss, so I can't really, really.

Oh, I can't really say Max's performance as a boss.

Yeah, no.

Max is the man.

All right, well, thank you so much, man. We appreciate it. I also like you.

Thanks for having me.

Every now and then, why don't y'all.

Take me to the combine?

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Come on, let's go. Party going.

Do you have any spicy sports takes?

I was hoping y'all.

I was hoping y'all would have Marshawn lynch, you know?

I was like, maybe I'll finally get.

To meet Marshawn Lynch. So. Yeah.

Yeah.

So, Marshawn, if you're listening, we should definitely be best friends.

Okay. That's awesome. Oh, you got a pick for the game.

Yeah, Seahawks, super bowl. Future for next year.

Okay, congrats.

Probably got 30 to 1 odds right now. I would hammer it.

All right, Gino, you're a Geno guy.

All right, well, thank you so much, Ian. Appreciate it, man.

My pleasure.

Great week.

Great week. Really appreciate you.

That was a blast.

All right, let's kick it to ourselves for lottery.

I'll say the pearl arbor thing.

Okay. Next show will be either happy Max or Sad Max. Let's Finish with numbers. 59, 40, 11, 2, 3. I'll go 3. Good guess.

Maybe when you said that you took it for Jalen Hurts.

Yeah.

Wait, what was your guess for Jalen Hurts?

It's birds week. What was your guess last? Last?

Number one.

77. All right, I'll go 72.

A giant fathead of him wearing number one behind you.

His rookie year, he was number two.

I'll go 77. Hank, what was yours? 42 for PFG. What was yours?

Memes?

59.

Super Bowl.

59.

23. MJ.

Love you guys.