Transcript of Kylie on How to Talk to Pregnant Women, USWNT Legacy & Retirement Surprise with Alex Morgan | Ep. 5

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I'm not going to lie. We're a little under the weather in our house this week, as you can tell. But that should explain why I have boogers on my shirt right now. They're clearly not mine. Let's get this podcast started. Welcome back to Not Going to Lie: A Wave Original, brought to you by Duncan. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, former Kevani Cavalier, RIP, noted doomscroller, and I once had a verbal altercation in a parking lot. Yikes. As always, make sure you follow us on social @nglw with Kylie, and subscribe to the Not Going to Lie YouTube channel. Coming up on today's episode, like I mentioned last week, Baby Number 4 has officially popped. So now that I'm showing, I figured now is the perfect time to get honest about not to say to pregnant women. After that, I'm going to be joined by a guest I truly have no business speaking to, Alex Morgan. I'm going to talk to Alex about her retirement, the current state of women's sports, and her motherhood experience as a professional athlete. But before we get to that, we've got some show news. Not sure how this happened, but this show, the one you are currently watching or listening to, Not Going to Lie with Kylie Kelsey, has received its first award nomination.

Ngl has been nominated for Best Emerging Podcast at the 2025 iHeartPodcast Awards. First of all, thank you to the NGL-ers who have tuned in and have enjoyed the show thus far. I'm always going to be honest with you guys. There are a number of podcasts, obviously, nominated in this category, one of which I have to tell you, in spite of my entire production team shaking their heads while I say this, so true with Caleb Heron. I just can't explain how much I enjoy when those clips pop up on my TikTok feed. I outwardly cackle and often cry I have to say it. I think that's where that should be headed. Next up, I want to shout out some of you in our mentions. You guys are being so supportive during this very difficult time of accepting my minivan fate by sharing what you love about your minivans from Stephanie Stuart on Facebook. The sliding doors alone are worth the minivan. No worries about kids dinging other cars or slamming doors. This is honestly one of the things that has been a driving factor. It's not necessarily the dinging other cars because right now my girls are so young that they know They can't open the door until mom comes around to the door.

But the idea of getting to open the door for a car line, like school drop-off, and just pressing a button from the front seat sounds lovely. It's like release the crack in. I love that so much. That's what I want to do. Also from my ins and out lists, I was I believe to see you guys are also on board with my Zippered Only Baby Clothes initiative. Shout out specifically to NGL listener Cee Ferry on TikTok, who expertly drags buttons. Let me introduce you to the true fucking horror of baby clothes. Buttons.

What asshole thought putting buttons that need to go through a hole, especially those stupid loopholes, on a feral squirming, raging allegator?

Fuck you. Fuck you, sir.

And I know it's a sir. I know it's a sir because only a who's never changed.

A rage demon on a changing table with buttons. Yes. A million times. Yes. Good God, yes. Yes, you nailed that so hard. The idea that people are creating these articles of clothing that have not experienced a child on a changing table and how quickly you are trying to get through that process? Yes. It's the only logical explanation. In this same category, a lot of people were in the comments asking if I've used magnetic baby clothes. And although I think the concept is great and has a large following. I am not part of it. I have found that they are not meant for chubby babies, and I don't love the way that they gap when the babies sit up. Ellie, in particular, was our chubbiest baby. She would sit up and bust out of that thing like a can of biscuits. Zippies all the way. You guys also left some very nice comments about my appearance on Jason's new show. They call it Late Night. I especially enjoyed this one. Bacon said, Kylie always looks like she has no idea how she got roped into the next thing. Like, damn it, I did not want to do this.

Well, I do enjoy that 14,000 people liked that comment. That brings me to the inaugural podcast edition of something I like to call Places Kylie has no business being. This past week, I made my debut as theouncer on They Call It Night on ESPN. Getting roped into this is the perfect way to express how I ended up as the announcing for this. My husband asked me to participate, and being the supportive wife that I am, I said yes, hesitantly. They did put up a sign that I did not know was going to be there. I did not know that it was going to be dubbed Kylie's Corner. I do appreciate that because you guys know how I love to hide in a corner. Although it's not really hiding when you have spotlights and a camera on you. I might need to discuss that with someone Queen Emma wrote, Do I get nervous for things like this? Particularly something like this, I did not get nervous for. I do find, similarly to our wedding day, when I was nervous about walking down the aisle because everyone's eyes were going to be on me. Then the minute I could see Jason, I was like, Oh, I'm fine.

I can get down the aisle. I'll just focus on him. Similarly to that, since I got to watch Jason do his thing and he is the main focus and all of that, and he's crushing it, I didn't need to get nervous. I had very few lines, luckily. Love that for me. I also did PA in college for men's lacrosse games, so I had a little bit of experience. That does it for places Kylie has no business being. Moving on to the very special time in the episode where I somehow get even more honest than usual. That's right. I'm talking about my segment, Can I be Honest? This I think Baby Girl has definitely popped, so there's no more hiding her. Stretchy pants are in full force, as is commentary from friends, family, and of course, perfect strangers. So I figured I'd take this time to give you guys some do's and don'ts of talking to pregnant women, because even if just one last person asks me, Don't you wish it was a boy? It'll be a win. First, and this is a big one. Don't comment on her size. This includes comments like, You're huge.

How much weight have you gained? Are you sure it's not twins? I still can't believe that people think that women who are building a human being want to hear anything about their size. News flash, they don't. Cut that shit out. Do keep your opinion to yourself if someone shares their baby name. That's it. If she chooses to share it with you, feel privileged enough that you get to know that information, and then promptly tell them that it's beautiful and move the fuck on. That's it. Don't ask if we're going to keep trying for a boy. If another person asks me that, I'm warning you right now, you might get drop-kicked. I don't need to have a boy, and for some reason, I think that you want me to have one more than I do. For a girl strong, watch out, world. I do not need to have a boy. We were meant to have all girls. Do ask your pregnant friend how she's feeling? Let's be real here. Asking this question implies that you know she definitely feels like shit, and you need to make sure that you're prepared to get her honest opinion. And be prepared to receive that in an open-minded way.

Don't comment on breastfeeding. You know what that is? None Out of your fucking business. The whole breast is best' nonsense. The only reason you're saying that is to take other women down. Sometimes it's not in the cards, okay? Whether it's a latch issue or maybe mom has her own medical need where she's unable to breastfeed. Let's just mind our damn business. Don't divulg Ablege the details of your own traumatic birth experience unprompted. On this one, I'm going to say, Do as I say and not as I do, because I'm not going to lie. I do ask for this. I am the person that wants to know every detail of your birth, specifically ones that could be described as traumatic, because if I go through birth and it wasn't as bad as that, calling it a win. Can I be really honest? With one bonus, do and don't. Do ask for permission before touching her belly. I still can't believe that people reach out and touch another person's midsection without asking permission, specifically when strangers do it. That shit's bananas. Keep your hands to yourself. It's so simple. Don't touch someone unless they have given you permission.

The bonus, don't. Don't tell me I'm glowing. The glow you think you're seeing is my nausea sweats that you've mistaken for glowing. I'm not glowing. Don't tell me that. I am I am sweating, I am nauseous. Don't tell me I'm glowing. And that does it for my do's and don'ts of talking to pregnant women. Let me know what I missed and what ridiculous things people have felt the need to say to you during your pregnancy at NGL with Kylie. Hi, I'm Kylie Kelly from Not Going to Lie, and you're watching me do a Duncan ad. You see what I did there? Like an old Disney channel intro. You guys get it. Something else you guys get, my go-to Duncan order, which I can't recommend enough to all of you and just about everyone else I interact with in my life. It's a medium. I coffee, half decaff, extra ice, little bit of almond milk, and two pumps of that sweet butterpea can. If that sweet nectar butter pecan wasn't already enough of treat, you can also treat yourself to Duncan's $5 meal deal, which includes two wake up wraps and a medium hot oriced coffee for $5.

Order in the app ahead of time, like I do, or order in person at your favorite Duncan location. She's a two-time World Cup champion and gold medalist. She's also an entrepreneur, philanthropist, a champion of women's sports and equal pay, and she's also a fellow mom and current pregnant person. Alex Morgan, welcome to Not Going to Lie.

Thanks for having me, Kylie.

No, thank you so much for coming on. I want to start by touching on something that we're both currently experiencing. Congratulations. You are pregnant with your second.

Thank you. And you with your fourth?

Yes.

Wow, amazing.

How are you feeling?

I'm feeling pretty good right now. I feel like since I got through retirement and I was playing up till I was three months pregnant, that was rough. And now it's like Life is so much less stressful without sports. You can't even... I mean, you probably understand, but most people probably couldn't. It's just so nice just giving my body the time that it needs. I'm good. How are you? We're due very close, within a week. Very close.

Yes. We might... I mean, who knows?

Maybe they're born on the same day. Just not April Fool's. I don't want that.

No, let's not do that. We could do March 31st. That'd be cool.

Yeah, sure.

Your daughter is Charlie. Is that Charlotte or her name is Charlie?

Her name's just Charlie. We just went for it.

I love that so much. We We debated Charlie for our first, and then within, I think, six months, we had three different friends who named their kid Charlie. This was six years ago. Jason and I were like, shoot, That we could do Charlie.

I know.

It's like- It worked out, Wyatt is a Wyatt. But I love the name Charlie. Do you guys know what name you're going with next? I am not asking what the name is.

We have We have a shortlist, and we have a favorite.

You're ahead of us. Great. Going on the fourth, it's like a disaster. You've already used them all up. All bets are off.

Especially for you, I believe you've said it's another girl.

Correct.

I mean, four girls is really hard to figure out four names that you really like.

Yes.

I mean, We know what we like as women, but we're also indecisive. Don't tell them that, because they think that we can make decisions on behalf of anyone and everyone, which we do, but we have this- Because we're forced to, really. We're forced to. But yeah, that's hard to have four of the same gender to try to come up names. Although, Wyatt is such a cute name, and now it's like we can pick from the boys' names. Charlie, Wyatt. That's it.

We're doing a little crossover action. I feel like we have to lean a little bit towards those gender-neutral names for our fourth because we have Wyatt, Elliot, Bennett. If we do a full commit to a girly name at this point, it would not sit well with the other three, I think eventually, they'll be like, Why did they get a cute girly name? How are you feeling about the jump from one to two?

I am actually really looking forward to it. My daughter is four and a half, so she'll be almost five when the next baby is born. I think she'll be really helpful. Me and my husband just celebrated our 10-year wedding anniversary. It's weird having our second child after we've been married for 10 years. That's not typical. I think that we are overdue.

I will say that my oldest, the way that she... She's five now. The way she's getting excited for this next baby is very sweet to watch because she's very much in that phase of like, I can get diapers, I can fill up my own water bottle. I can do these things independently. To see her get so excited about getting another baby and her having the opportunity to help is very exciting to watch.

Which is great. They just need to have a task and it's perfect, and they feel like they're with you, but then still being helpful. Yes.

Now, I also wanted to talk to you about your retirement in our house, talked about retirement for quite some time before my husband actually decided to retire. What was that process like for you making that decision to retire from soccer?

I think that it really started last offseason. Well, actually, let me back up. After the last World Cup in 2019, winning that World Cup, I was like, Okay, I'm I'm still pretty young. I still have a lot to give, but I'm happy with where I am. I could not step on the soccer field again if I'm injured or I don't come back from having a baby and feel myself. So that's when we decided to have a baby. And then I did feel good, and I missed it when I was pregnant. So I came back, played in the Olympics that was delayed a year, and then the World Cup in '23. And at that point, I was just like, I don't know that there's much much more that I can give, and I don't know that there's much more that I'm going to get. I've fulfilled everything I've wanted to do. I'm at a point now where there's a lot of other things that interest me. I'm building businesses off the field. I'm really busy, and we're settled in San Diego, and we're so happy. So throughout the offseason, this last offseason, I was like, Okay, this is going to be my last year, I think.

And then me and my husband had two bottles of wine one night, and I just was super honest. And I think it was just an epiphany. I was like, Yeah, this is it. This is the last year. Regardless of what happens, I want to go. Of course, I want to try to go to Olympics. I I'm going to try to win a championship. I want to do all the things. But it doesn't really matter what happens throughout the season. I'm done no matter what. So I just made that commitment to myself. A lot of things didn't go planned. Baby also being part of that. It's weird to say I got knocked up after being with my husband for 17 years. That was interesting to have a surprise pregnancy, but it all worked out perfectly. At the end of the day, I'm just so happy with the way that everything was meant to go down.

Now, how did did that feel to make the decision, obviously prior to announcing it, but then making that decision and being able to sit with it through the season, did it feel a little bit like you were able to soak in those moments a little bit more and have that more sentimental feel to what you were experiencing so that you could store those memories more appropriately to feel even more settled in your decision?

Yeah, it did definitely feel like I was trying to take in every moment and remember the small things a little bit more. It's hard to say enjoy them more because I feel like I was in a constant state of stress and anxiety just with the two teams and not really having told anyone that I was going to retire. I didn't want to say it too early because then I didn't want it to be this whole big retirement tour. So it was this big dark secret in a way, but I was also trying to just take everything in one last time by myself or with my family that new. The plan was always to then announce my retirement. When I did, it was just not to announce my retirement and play my last game three days later because I had a Because I was three months pregnant, so that was the curve ball in this all. But it was really nice having that time knowing this is the last regardless and just soaking it all in and knowing that this is a lot of what I knew for the last 15 years and that a lot of change was coming.

I think I did pretty well to prepare myself for that. But regardless, it was way more emotional than I I did. I'm not really an emotional person. I don't cry a lot. I don't show a lot of emotion. I don't know if that's because of sport or what. But I just feel like for a week, I would break down in the car by myself just crying. And not a bad cry, just like...

Had to release it. Yeah. Now, do you feel like the superhero that it seems that you are, considering that when you had Charlie, you came back, was it six months postpartum to play?

I was playing after three.

Then to play the first three months of your pregnancy this time around, do you feel like... Because I feel like we should bow down to you a little bit, at least. Because I always say one of the most twisted things about the beginning of pregnancy is you don't say anything to anyone. People are like- You're suffering the most, but not telling anyone. Yeah. Are you good? It's like when someone once asked me my first pregnancy, they were like, You don't look so great. Are you okay? I said, I'm really not feeling well. They backed up and I was like, No, can't catch this. It's one of those. But doing both the postpartum stint, going back, and then also playing the beginning of a pregnancy, how do you feel like the superhero that you are? Because that seems to me like an outstanding accomplishment.

Well, just having talked to a lot of other female athletes that I've been through it, we all have our own journeys, birth and complications or not, and then trying to do everything and wanting to be with your baby, but then also getting your body back to where it needs to be. So that was tough for sure. And then the Olympics were delayed, and I was like, Oh, I can actually go to the Olympics now that I didn't miss it because of COVID. So then I moved to London when my daughter was four months old, because that was the only league that was up and running, really, during COVID, because the US League wasn't up and running. So my husband regretfully told me, You should go just play some games in England. I was like, That's such a good idea. I should go do that. Three days later, I was on a flight to England, and my husband was like, Wait, what? I was joking. No, I went and he was playing, too, in Florida. That was tough. But this time around, it's so much different. I'm really excited for the difference of the two pregnancies and bursts and just infancy stage because I actually get to spend way more time with the baby.

But going through the first months of pregnancy this time around were so rough because I was getting crazy migraines, super nauseous, so tired. And we were flying to Panama, playing in 95 degree weather where it's 100% humid. We were going through all these coaching changes, and there was so much stress involved outside of this. And then I'm figuring out how I'm going to tell everyone that I'm retiring and I'm pregnant and I'm done playing soccer for good. It was a lot. I just feel like I would hold it together the moment I would enter the training facility and the moment I would leave. It was just like, I needed my bed now. I was not a real human at that time. With my daughter, I was just like, Mom's tired. Please go with Daddy or take your iPad.

Yeah, it's one of those where what What can we do together while mom's horizontal? That's the activity mom would like to opt into right now. You've shifted gears in another way, making sure that women's sports are appropriately represented? What led you in that direction?

Women have been betting on ourselves, especially female athletes, our whole lives. Why not do this as an extension of that? Building together over from 2018, 1920, and launching it in '21 was another thing of just betting on myself and being like, There are incredible stories that female athletes have not told that I want to give a platform to. There's a community of female athletes and fans that want to feel like there's a place that they can call home in that it's somewhere that they feel like women's sports is at the forefront. So that's where Together was born out of. And we highlight anything and everything, not just the big sports and soccer and basketball and Olympic sports. But we've done a Girls Skating Club in New York City, we highlighted surfers in Hawaii and female boxers and anyone and everyone that we feel never really had the platform before. That's what we want to provide to them. Now we're in our fourth year, and it's going really well. I'm very proud of the work that we've done.

For anyone who isn't familiar with it, Together is the company responsible for the Everyone Watches Women's Sports shirts, which if you have not seen them, you're living under a rock. A rock, literally. I I have seen them everywhere. For those of you who might miss the mark, it is in response to people saying, no one watches women's sports. Now for a reading of that fictional Duncan-inspired short film you definitely asked for. The part of Kylie will be played by me. And the stage direction you're hearing from that just voice will be read by Queen Emma. And action. Interior, Duncan, Cabrini University, 2014. A team of field hockey players led by Kylie McDevitt, tall, destined for podcast stardom, walks through the front door. Kylie looks around in awe. Duncan really is beautiful this time of year, isn't it? Kylie's teammates nod furiously in agreement. Kylie approaches the register. Hi, can I please get a medium hot You know what? Make it a large. I have a Tinder date later, and I don't want to fall asleep at the table. How embarrassing would that be? Everyone inside Duncan laughs heartily. Can you imagine? Suddenly, Kylie smells something wonderful.

Hang on, Is that a new flavor I smell? It's buttery with a hint of... Is that pecan? The cashier points to a giant sign promoting Duncan's butter pecan, ice coffee, standing directly next to Kylie. Forget everything I just said. I want one of those. Kylie takes one sip, and suddenly, the whole world makes sense. That hits. Yeah, this is going to be a good day. End scene. One of your biggest accomplishments in sports, you accomplished off the field. You are a massive advocate for equal pay. Can you tell me a little bit about that process, that journey, and what that meant to you?

Yeah, that's probably... If someone asked my greatest achievement, I don't know that it's my biggest goal I've ever scored or the World Cup or the Olympics. It's achieving equal pay on the international stage and creating that domino effect, or as we like to say, butterfly effect, that helped other women in other countries and in the US, with their league and their teams, fight for equality in their sport and outside of sport, too. It was many years of fighting with our employer, which was weird to show up and be playing on behalf of US soccer and going and having these meetings. I was a part of the Athletes Council, so I would go and I'd see everything. I would see people on other councils step up and say, You guys don't deserve as much as you're getting or as much as you're trying to get, you're going to be taking away from the kids and you're going to be taking away from these other. I'm like, We're not trying to take away from anyone else. We're just trying to get what we deserve. We open the books, We're seeing the revenue that we're bringing in. It's just as much as the men.

Irregardless, we should still be getting the same contracts, irregardless of that. But seeing the revenue, we were like, And we have proof, and you're still fighting us. Without all this investment, without us on primetime, without us getting on TV as much as the men, without FIFA stepping up and compensating the federation for the women's side as much as they do for the men's side. All of these things we We had a great argument, a great PR team, great legal team, and achieved equal pay, finally in 2022. That was a moment that it was like, Okay, this has changed forever. It's not just the ones who were named in the lawsuit and us that followed through with it, but it was also the ones that started it, the Mia Hans, Julie Fauty, Brandi Chastain, all of them that really went around the country in '99 selling tickets for the Women's World Cup by themselves to get people into the stadiums to be like, Watch us. You'll enjoy this product. Trust me. And fans did. It was incredible, but it started back then, and I feel like it was just us continuing on that fight, but we got to a point where it could not continue on any longer like this.

That's where we were able to settle and achieve equal pay and back pay.

Now, how do you see that impacting the players that are currently playing, the players that will step into those roles in the next few years and generations from now? How do you see that impacting them? What stressors does that take off of them, or what does that say to them and their contributions to the team.

Yeah, well, they just don't have to have the distraction of fighting their employer over how many coaches are there in comparison to the men. The fact that we used to get commercial flights and I sat on a middle seat to London in 2012 for the Olympics. The bathroom was behind my back in a middle seat. Just not having to worry about that is great for these players. I think that's What some of us older, more experienced players who were going through this lawsuit and really spearheading it day to day with our legal team realized is we're not necessarily going to be the beneficiaries of this lawsuit more than actually the 18, 21-year-olds that are just coming in because they're going to be the ones that, hopefully, won't even know difference between the women's team and the men's team. They won't even really understand that at one point, not only was the pay vastly different, but the treatment in the flights, the number of people on staff, et cetera, were always a hot topic for discussion and always a fight that we had to bring to the table. There was nothing ever given. And now for them to step into it and just have to play.

I no wonder the quality has just gone through the roof, which is why it was easier for me to retire, because I was like, I am not the best anymore. And I am fine with that because there are 21-year-olds that are far better than me and are going to go far more places and going to score far more goals than I do. And that's exactly what I fought for, was the opportunity for them to be able to do that and just worry about playing soccer, not worry about having fight for making enough money to be able to play soccer.

How badass is it that Charlie's mom did that? You know what I mean? Besides all the women that you're impacting that are coming onto the team that are benefiting from the push that you and other players have made and that commitment that you guys made to make that change. But you are setting the example for your own daughter that when things are not acceptable, that you raise your voice and you speak up and stand up in a way that people have to listen. I just think it's incredible that outside of all of the women that are directly impacted by this in the league, that you also have set that example for your own daughter, that that's how you can advocate for yourself and Yeah.

And I think the fight was always personal, but when I had a daughter, I was like, Okay, it's even more personal now. This just hits home even more.

In the 15 years that you were on the national team, you were such an icon that you even had a Barbie made of you?

I did. A Barbie I gave my daughter when she was five months old and she bit the head off.

Yeah, naturally. Naturally. Do you have a full understanding of how many households you have been a staple in, how many young women you have been in the lives of, and they've been able to watch you and cheer you on in any capacity? Does that fully register with you, especially now that you're retired and it's looking back on your career?

That's a hard question because I want to think that I do, but I feel like it is hard to comprehend because I surround myself with just so much family and friends that I'm just Alex to them, or I'm mom, or I'm a sister, whatever, a wife. So it's really nice that it's just like normal with all of them. In a way, I feel like maybe I don't fully comprehend. When someone's like, Oh, my daughter has you all over her wall, and this or that. I'm like, Oh, that's so awesome. I'm so glad that I could help her in her journey with soccer, whatever it is. But do I fully comprehend it? Maybe not.

I think that to some degree, when you specifically are an athlete and you have come to this place that you have come to through playing your sport and obviously doing all the things that you took it upon yourself to do in in junction with that. But specifically getting there by playing your sport, I feel like your brain says, I was just playing my sport. I was playing soccer. What do you mean? And so Obviously, you were an elite athlete and you were contributing to massive titles. But it's, I think probably, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that it is one of those things where you're just like, Well, I was playing soccer, and that's how we got here with my teammates. Knowing the way that I have heard people talk about you, both my own peers and then people younger than me, and the fact that even to this day, I could bring up your name with my high school athletes, and I know for a fact that they would know who you are, which is really saying something because I swear some of them are so disconnected from everything. But I am so grateful to have people like you.

I say it all the time, now raising daughters. It makes me hyper aware of the people who have been role models to young women. But I just think it's incredible that you not only went on to just absolutely run shit on the soccer field, but then also off the field, make sure that your impact was not only long lasting, but benefited women for ever now.

Thank you. I really appreciate it. I think having just a strong female figure in my life, like I do with my mom, having three girls, she worked during the day, did night school, always made sure to be present for us in all of our sporting events, always had dinner on the table. Almost feel like did it all. And you're wondering, I'm thinking back to myself thinking, I have one child and barely surviving. How did she do it, I think helps. When I growing up, I'm like, Oh, I feel like I can do it all, too. She did it all. So I think that that has definitely helped me throughout my career.

I feel like when you're lucky to get one of those moms where you're just like, How'd you do it? I am the same way all the time. I will be like, How did you do that? And how do I do that, too? I would like, No, please Please.

You teach me.

Yes. Mom, how do I not mess this up? I cannot thank you enough for popping on today. It has been an absolute pleasure to talk to you.

I just want to say thanks for doing this podcast. It's so amazing to see you just being really raw and honest and just how that's what people love to hear and need and resonate with. So I'm just so happy to be on this podcast.

No, thank you so much for spending the time with us. And thank you for all the things that you've done for women in sports that you continue to do now. And it has been an absolute pleasure to watch you play and now to continue off the field in all of your accomplishments. So thank you again for coming on Not Going to Lie today.

Of course.

Thank you so much again to my guest, Alex Morgan, for joining me. Once again, these episodes are capped at 45 minutes, so you'll be able to find even more exclusive clips on More Shit Monday on my YouTube channel. And that does it for episode 5 of Not Going to Lie. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Follow the show on all social media @NGL with Kylie. Not going to lie, is a wave original brought to you by Duncan. Thank you guys again for tuning in.

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