Transcript of Travis on the Super Bowl Loss, Jason on Mixed Emotions and Who's Going Over a Cliff? | Ep 124

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It's just life, man. This sport can humble you so fast. It can shoot you to the moon, and it can bury you, man.

I know that you don't probably care that much about it right now. I mean, you have so many records at this point that this is just another one. But at the end of the day, it's just another thing that cements you as one of the best players ever to play in the NFL.

That's the last thing that I care about right now.

I know. The only record I get is that he kept going on the field. He's out there again.

Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen. A WNDYR Show, produced by Wendry Sports and Entertainment, and brought to you by Buffalo Wild Wings. Go. Order wings for takeout or delivery today. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey, my big brother Jason Kelsey. Subscribe on YouTube WNDYR us wherever you get your podcast, follow the show on all social media at New Hyde Show with 1S. Yeah, man, this is going to be a very got to do it type episode. Obviously, after the big loss, this isn't the easiest thing to do, get on here and talk to the world, and especially our 92 percenters who tune in week in, week out, and give us your time, give us your attention, and cheer for us, and root us It was a weird weekend, but I appreciate you guys for all the support I've seen leading up to it and even afterwards. But Jason, before we get into everything, why don't you let the people know what we got coming up?

We got a big episode, guys. We're going to recap Super Bowl 59 and talk about what else we got down to while we were in New Orleans. As always, we're going to get you some of your no dumb questions. But first, I guess we're just going to get right into it. I don't know there's any new news. All the news is over. Yeah. So I guess we can just go. All right. All right, cool. Well, the equals 40, Chiefs, 22.

God damn.

The three-peat did not happen, obviously. Did not happen in the Superdome. Eagles ended up getting it done. Nick Siriani, Jalen Hertz, Trav. I think people have been waiting to hear from you since the game Sunday. Yeah. What do you want to say? I don't know. Where do you want to start?

I mean, I already congratulated the Eagles. It was hard going into the exit interviews today. Obviously, the last time I'll see probably a lot of those guys, as it'll be a bit of a turnover this year, knowing the contract situations and everything. And outside of the game, I just wanted to thank my teammates for everything they fucking do, man. The effort, the focus, the work that we put in, that wasn't the reason. Honestly, going into the game, I felt as confident as I ever felt in going into a Super Bowl or a playoff game or a big game in my life. And for a bunch of reasons, That just didn't happen, man. It just wasn't our day. Couldn't find a lick of momentum. I'm kicking myself for some of the tiny, tiny decisions I made on the field, trying to do something more than what I was asked to do during plays. I wasn't the best leader that I could be in motivating my guys and keeping my guys calm, cool, collected. I put a lot of that on myself as the guy that's been in the building for 12 years and seeing a lot of football and actually seeing a situation just like this in the Super Bowl, talking about the Tampa Bay Super Bowl.

It's a tough pill to swallow, man. Every time we felt like we made a big play or we got something going, a penalty would happen or we be going backwards. And then on top of that, just not executing the play calls. It wasn't the play calls. It was a cumulative effort of everybody just not finding a way to get it done, man. And to happen on the biggest stage sucks, but to have it happen for the second time in my career on the biggest stage, man, it's a tough pill to swallow. It's a hard reality, man. I I love my teammates. I love my coaches, Chief's Kingdom. I'm sorry for how it ended, but it's... Fuck. I have a beautiful life. I have a beautiful life, man. I have loved ones. I have the most amazing family in the world that supports me and everything that I do. They were all there cheering me on and hoping for the best on Sunday, man. I just have to tip my hat to the Eagles. They They were firing on all cylinders coming out, and it just felt like we never had control over what was going on in that game.

I feel like every time you guys tried to get something going, it just didn't work out. It was like you're close to getting a third down, get them off the field, and they had to make a big play. There's a penalty. Up until even halftime, even though the score was getting out of control, there's that big throw, the D-Hop that doesn't get caught. Even then, I'm like, All right, if the Chiefs go down here, they score before half, they get the ball coming out of half. I just came away very much. I know you guys are kicking yourselves for not playing your best game. The Eagles played fantastic. Everybody played their best across the board. It was a truly impressive game from Philadelphia, defensively. All those guys, Vic Fangio, Jalen Hertz played very well. That was the thing all week, everybody's talking about What Spag is going to do? Is he going to try and sell out to stop Saquon and give the one-on-one matchups on the outside? I don't know. It almost didn't matter. It felt like Jalen was just on it and he was executing, regardless regardless of what it was. But I know this sucks to talk about for you, Jeff.

I've been here, obviously. Two years ago, I was here. That was great. But I think it was a really impressive performance by Philadelphia, to say the least.

Yeah, it's going to sting. I know everybody wants to know whether or not I'm playing next year. Right now, I'm just kicking everything down the road. I'm kicking every can I can down the road. I'm not making any crazy decisions, but right now, the biggest thing is just being there for my teammates and being there for my coaches, understanding that there's a lot that goes into this thing. I've been fortunate over For the past five, six years, I've played more football than anybody. It's because the people that are in that building and the fact that we keep going to these AFC Championships and these Super Bowl, that means I'm playing an extra three games more than everybody else in the entire league. That's a lot of wear and tear on your body. It's a lot of time spent in the building, focusing on your craft, focusing on the task at hand, every challenge that you set up for yourself. That process can be grueling. It can weigh on you. It can make you better, and it can drive you crazy at the same time. Right now, it's one of those things where it was driving me crazy this year.

And I think that it happens as you tail off towards the back nine of your career, as the SVP would say. As you see yourself not feel yourself have the success that you once used to have, man, it's a tough pill to swallow. And then on top of that, to not be there in the biggest moments, knowing your team's counting on you, man. Those are all extremely hard things. It's just a tough reality. I think I'm going to take some time to figure it out. I think I owe it to my teammates that if I do come back, that it's going to be something that it's a wholehearted decision. I'm not half-ass in it, and I'm fully here for them. I think I could play. It's just whether or not I'm motivated or it's the It was the best decision for me as a man, as a human, as a person to take on all that responsibility.

You're preaching to the choir, brother. It sucks when you get to this point in the career where it becomes It's harder and harder to do it. I think there's a physicality that becomes more difficult to manage. There's a mental approach that becomes more difficult to manage because a lot of times it's stocked on top of the physical discomfort and things that are happening. To do it right, you have to be committed, you have to put the time in, you have to be all in. It's difficult to sign up for that because you know what it takes. You've been here three years in a row, you've been to this game multiple times, you've had an amazing amount of success. It's frustrating when you're getting older in your career and you know that that is becoming harder and harder to do and more and more grueling to go through. Take your time. Obviously, get away from everything for a while.

The biggest thing is that after the game, I still had over 50 something plus of my best friends and my family and my loved ones and everybody that has supported me throughout my life was there to at least make it not feel like the worst day of my life. An opportunity to get all those people together under one roof, be around them, hug them, smile with them, find a way to get through something really, really tough. It definitely made it a little easier. But the reality is going to suck here for quite a while. It's just life, man. It's life. This sport can humble you so fast, man. It can give you so much praise. It can shoot you to the moon, and it can bury you, man. It can absolutely bury you. It's the occupation we chose, and not everything can go as planned sometimes, even though we've been able to find a way over the past however long, but especially this year in this team, we were known for finding a way. As much as I like to think we It would have done things differently, man. It just didn't feel like at the end of it, it was meant to be.

It is what it is.

Listen, it's never been done before. It's never been done before for a reason. It's incredibly hard. It's hard to keep teams intact. It's hard to keep. You're having extended season. You guys have played 60 games damn near over the past three years or whatever. I'm not trying to make excuses. There's just a reason why it's never been done. I know you guys are frustrated right now. I know you're frustrated. I think the reality is what you guys have done is amazing, still. I know that you don't want to hear that right now, and I know that that game is frustrating as a result, but that doesn't take away from the last seven times you guys have been to the AFC Championship or whatever it is. It's remarkable. The journey and the run you guys have had. You and Pat and Chris and certain guys have been at the epicenter of this for that entire time. A lot of the guys on this team have been there for three. This was their third time in a row. I know it's frustrating to look at this one game game, especially because it was such a dominating game for the Eagles.

But I think that the reality is it's one of the incredible runs that's ever happened in this fucking game. And you guys have your legacies cemented on that, and nobody can take that away. I mean, people could try to talk shit, especially if they've never done anything in their lives. But that's the reality of it. There was one thing accomplished, which is Travis Kelsey set a record, a record for most catches in a in the Super Bowl, which Travis, that's a big record.

It's not a very big record.

Why do you say it's not a big record?

I have a lot of Super Bowl appearances.

So do a lot of people.

What do they say, Records are meant to be broken?

That they are. Well, you broke one. You broke the most catches in Super Bowl history, which I know that you don't probably care that much about it right now because of the way the game went. You have so many records at this point that this is It's just another one. But at the end of the day, it's just another thing that cement you as one of the best players ever to play in the NFL. I know you don't care, but I think at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, the records mean a little bit. Because once you're done, that's all you have left is the memories, the trophies, which obviously mean the most, and then the stuff that makes other people recognize greatness, which, unfortunately, there are a lot of stats, but that's all we have outside of and highlights?

No. I mean, that's the last thing that I care about right now.

I know, but you will, and it's dope. Just here to tell you, it's a fucking dope record.

Thanks, brother.

As are all your other records. The only record I get is that he kept going on the field. He's out there again. Look at him go. Man, this This guy really won't take a break. He's headed out to the field for another consecutive week. How do you do? No one knows. Just counts as a gameplay.

He only played the first drive.

I know he had four bad snaps.

There we go.

I feel for you because losing a Super Bowl sucks. I mean, I don't wish that on anybody. I talk all week. No matter who won or lost, I feel like I was going to feeling shitty and feeling more with the team that lost. Because I know what that feels like, and it's fucking terrible.

What was it like for you watching this one?

Terrible?

Yeah. You mentioned you tweaked out something.

Yeah, but I didn't even want to tweet it. I think I would rather do it here because you'd be able to talk more. But it doesn't matter what happens. Whatever you say is going to get clipped or touched and put out. It sucks. I knew it was going to be weird going into it. It progressively got weirder as the week went on. On one hand, you played your entire life with an organization and team. A lot of people in that building, coaches, friends, teammates that you've gone through adversity with. It really makes you very, very close. Then on the other hand, you have your brother. I've always supported you. I've always wanted you to win.

Every step of the way.

I wanted you to win this game. I thought I made that clear.

You made it clear to It was weird, man.

It was hard to navigate because I'm trying to... Obviously, I'm trying to say that I have people on the eagles that I love, and I also have you. I tried to make it known that I was rooting for you, and it felt like I couldn't be right. Felt like no matter what I said, some people were going to skew it and say that I'm rooting for the Eagles, and some people are going to skew it and say that I was rooting for the Chiefs or Travis.

It just the world we live in, man. Everybody wants to just fucking call people out. I know I always had your support, and I joked around saying with your cheering for the eag. Listen, you and Kylie are there in Philly and have created one of the most beautiful situations that I've ever seen. You guys are loved by the community out there. You guys are very much a part of the community out there. Outside of that, that organization, everything from the foundation stuff that Kylie does, both of you guys do, to the countless, countless amount of hours and years you spent in that organization, giving it everything that you have. You don't have to explain anything to anybody. As long as the people right here, I know who Jason, Kelsey is, and I know my brother and what his intentions are, and Nobody can ever fucking confuse that. You can't let these Jim Mokes online make you think that you're in the wrong for what you're saying. What you're saying is, I hear I hear it loud and clear, and I think the people in the Philadelphia organization understand exactly who you are and what you represent and how you are saying it as well.

All that is true. We are still very much attached to this organization, which is why there is part of me that obviously is very happy and proud that they have won this game.

But that doesn't take-That doesn't make you less of a brother. That doesn't make you less of a brother.

That doesn't make you- All I want to say, that does not take precedence over rooting for you. Yeah. That's why this game sucked. It was very, very hard to watch. As much as I love the Eagles, as much as I love the city of Philadelphia, there was not a fucking ounce of me that I know that, I don't know, I tried to correlate that I was rooting for both sides the whole time and that I was going to be happy and sad regardless. That's what I heard. No matter who won, it was going to be a happy and sad regardless. In trying to communicate why I might be rooting for the Eagles, I think some people... I don't even want to do this. I don't even know. Because now we've already done it.

Fuck them. You don't owe any of these dickheads the acknowledgement. You really don't, Jason. Everyone that knows you knows your intentions. Anybody saying anything otherwise is, like you said, just a fucking... Just trying to get a rise out of somebody else.

It was the weirdest game ever watching. Because the only other time you don't care about the outcome is when you're not really attached to either of the teams. And in that case, there's not a lot of emotion put into it. I still remember the first play, the AJ Brown penalty. I remember this wealth of... I jumped up out of my seat. That wasn't a penalty. I jumped up out of my seat on that one. Then I jumped up out of my seat on the nick Bolton hitting Dallas Goder, because I thought that was a horseshit call. And I'm going back and forth, it ended up just not being a fun game to be a part of her watch because at all times I'm just like, I don't even know what I want to say, man. I really don't. Because no matter what, it's going to piss somebody off. I probably shouldn't care if it pisses anybody off. That's probably the reality of it.

That's the Jason Kielce, we all know right there. You're giving these people way too much fucking... Too much of your effort, too much of your time, too much of your attention. I didn't know what it was going to feel like going through the game.

I thought I did. I thought I understood going into it that I would be happy in some way, sad in another way. But the further the game went on, I just got more and more upset. And And I think part of that is I'm in a box with all of our family and loved ones and friends. We're all just like, Dude, this sucks for Trev. This sucks for his team. And I don't know I didn't anticipate the amount of just sheer discomfort and frustration that I would have watching the game. I thought I would just be like, Oh, I like both of these teams, whoever wins, made the best team win, and it just didn't turn into that. It didn't. I don't know if it would have been reversed, if it would have been the same way.

I don't think it would have. It would have been reversed if it was an actual fucking game. That might have made it better.

I think the fact that it was that lopsided was like, Man, this is fucking just hard, to be honest with you.

Listen, man, nobody's going to be able to relate to what you or me or even Kylie. Nobody can relate to what it's like to have to pick between this type of situation. Nobody knows what it's like to even-I wasn't trying to pick.

That was my whole thing. I wasn't trying to Exactly.

But you can still be happy for somebody, and you can still be sad for somebody. It is what it is. That's the way it is. At the end of the day, it's fucking football, man. I know I'm saying it like that because I just lost the fucking game, and I'm going to act like it didn't mean the entire world, but it's my third in three years. I've had so much success playing this game. It's It still means the world, and it always will, and this one's going to fucking hurt just like fucking Tampa did. And I think about that way too often. But this game is just our jobs. My life is still beautiful. I come home to an amazing household of family and friends that absolutely love me. That's the beauty of going through a hard time like this, is that I can still have happiness and still have an amazing time in life, even when something like this happens because I got the support that I do. That's how I'm going to feel about it. I'm definitely compartmentalizing and putting this in the back corner, and I'll deal with this at another time.

But I'm not going to sit here and act like the world's over because of this thing. I don't think-I would not expect you to.

I just don't know how to articulate that I'm happy for some of the Eagles, but at the same time, I was miserable during the game watching you not achieve your success again. That's the reality of it. I didn't enjoy any part of that. It fucking sucked. It felt weird for me not to be cheering. That's what it felt like. It felt like, why the fuck am I not as excited? I think it was just a fucked up emotion. It's really incredible that the Eagles pulled this off. It's been incredible from last year's ending and the way this team has rebounded, the way they've been rebuilt from 2022 and before that. It's a tip of the cap for Howie Roseman. There are so many new players on the defensive side of the ball, and all of these young guys ended up panning out and have played at a high level between Cooper Dujine, Quinian Mitchell, Zach Bon, Milton Williams, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis on the defensive line, Noel Smith, Criangio and all the coaches on the defensive side of the ball. It didn't start great. They started two and two. Coming off of a year where they finished seven and eight.

The way they stuck together, the way they got better, the way they continued to improve, and how they finished the season has been spectacular on that side of the ball. Obviously, getting Saquon was huge offensively, getting rid of the undersized center, Jason Kelsey and putting in Kam Jurgen's, getting Mekai Becton in at right guard. I just think everything It was fantastic and how they continued to block out noise, questioning nick Seriani and his ability as a head coach, questioning Jalen Hertz, questioning everybody. And these guys really stuck it together and found a way to fucking do it. And it's hard. It is so hard to get all the way to the Super Bowl and win in this league. I just think this is such a huge moment for all these guys that came up short two years ago that were there and how they I built this thing in the two-year sense. It makes being a former Eagle extremely proud. And I think the entire city, obviously, means a lot. Do you want me to cut all that, Travis? You look like you're just like- It's your dude.

You're allowed to have your world, your legacy, your word. You're allowed to have that. You can be happy for your former teammates. Don't let what happened to me make you feel any less proud of what you've helped build.

I didn't help build shit. They did this on their... I'm not a part of this. Yes, you did.

I hear you. I hear you like to think that, Jason. I think that you've shown a lot of people in that building how to be a professional, how to do things the right way. So I can sit here and say that you definitely had a piece of that. I know you weren't in that building doing everything, but I've heard guys like Jordan Malata talk about you. I've heard guys like Jalen Hertz talk about you. I've heard Lane Johnson talk about you and what you've been to their career. You can say that you had nothing to do with it, but bits and pieces of who you are still living and breathing in that facility, for sure.

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I got a garage beer hat on. I've had three cases since the game.

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Well, I haven't done anything yet. I'm obviously going to get cards and chocolates and hopefully all this typical Valentine's Day stuff. But there's a lot going on. Obviously, there's a Super Bowl parade. Haven't made any plans yet. We're still talking about what's going on Friday. Nice. But always excited to celebrate Kylie and I's love. I'm very romantic, as Kylie has said multiple times.

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Out of the house. Brought to you by American Express. Jason, how was it being down in New Orleans all week? Was it as tasty and as fun as you remember it being?

Dude, first of all, I don't remember a lot from college. I feel like when you're playing in a game, you don't really get to experience the city. You know this. You guys are there for the whole week, but you're practicing and your schedule is so laid out. You have maybe 2-3 hours of the day that you could go do something. When you get that time, you're usually not spending it going out. You're like, All right, I'm going to take this time to do nothing. This was the first time being in New Orleans where I really got experience the city because every other time I've been there, it's been for football. And I got to say, I fucking love that city, man. It was an awesome host city. Las Vegas was great. It really was. It was the perfect infrastructure set up, the host of Super Bowl. New Orleans, the perfect vibe, food, mentality, culture. I mean, it was just unreal. The issue was the infrastructure is awful. Going from place to place was a train wreck. And then at night, for some reason, they have this ordinance that whenever the train's coming through town, it has to blow its horn every time it's going to a crosswalk.

So you're just hearing a fucking train horn constantly in the middle of the night, which is annoying as fuck. But outside of that, it was fantastic. It was really good.

Beniez? Yeah. I was about to say you get some more beignets, some more gumbo or what?

I went to Cafe Dumont, the original one, which not even just the beignets, it's the whole vibe of it. It's got the little hats and the get up and you're outside. It's just a It's a dope vibe. You ever been to Keyes? No. I don't even know what the rest of it is. It's like Keyes fried chicken, I think. I went to get my palm read. We had all these trendy spots that we were going to hit up after And after the palm reading, they were like, Oh, we were trying to where are we going to go to eat? And the guy was like, Hey, if you want the local experience, you got to go to Keyes. I was like, Keyes? Yeah, it's a gas station that serves fried chicken. I was like, Yeah, that's right up Jason Kelsi's alley. When you went over to this place. Bro, it was similar... Not similar, but again, the best barbecue spot, my favorite barbecue spot in Kansas City- Joe's. Is Joe's. There's something about food being served at a gas station that just is like, Yeah, I'm going to check this out. If it's got a good...

If food at a gas station has some word of the mouth going about it, you know that shit's good. We pull up to this spot, keys. It's got po' boys, fried chicken. I get up there and I'm like- This is what made Sheets and Quick Trip, the staples that they are in this world. No doubt. I get up there and I'm like, All right, let me get some dark meat. The guy was like, Get the white meat. I was like, Dude, it's too dry. I don't like white meat. He's like, Hey, this white meat ain't dry. So I got a chicken breast. First bite into that chicken breast, dog. Dry as shit. Nothing dry about it. That shit was so fucking good. It was a perfect amount of spice where it's not overwhelmingly spicy in that first bite, but the more you eat, it just starts engulfing you. Yeah.

It gets you going.

But I got the fried chicken. I got a hot sausage po'boy, which was phenomenal. I tried a pineapple soda, Big Shot, which I guess is specific to New Orleans. It was like a pineapple creamsicle. It was so It was real fucking good. So I was getting a bunch of convenience store, local spots, some baked good that came in like a tray. I forget what that was called, but it was like a brown. It was fucking real good.

I know.

Kylie and I went out to a fancy dinner one night called-Oh, you fancy son of a bitch. It was what Payton recommended.

It was Clancy's. Oh, nice. Yeah.

It was really good. One of the items that they're really recommended for is the fried oysters.

I see. That's the thing. I'm in on I'm out on loogies, but a few fried and things. Yeah, but the fried?

Yeah, it's a different experience.

Maybe throw some cheese on there?

I don't know if you know this, but there was an oyster recall while we were down there, so we didn't eat any of the oysters. All the barstool got sick. They were all getting the neurovirus from the oysters.

It's unfortunate.

We didn't have any of the oysters, and we didn't have any of the oysters at Clancy's, but they had plenty. I had turtle soup. That was Cajun-style turtle soup.

It's fucked up, man. They're eating turtles. Turtles. Amen.

Now that I know what they taste like, I'm going to keep eating them. It was damn good. That turtle soup was great.

What do you eat in them? What do you mean? Do you eat the leg? What do you eat?

It was so chopped up.

What's in those shells?

I think you eat Yeah, I have no idea. I'm not going to lie. I have no idea what you're eating, but it was great. The turtle soup was fantastic. I had a smoked, double-cut, pork chop.

Did they just flip that thing open and you just eat it out of the shell? It's like the shell was a bowl?

No, you don't even know it's a turtle. You just see the meat and the soup cut up. It's like little spoonfuls.

Yeah, I'm out.

Very good. Highly recommend. The house salad was great. The double-cut pork shop was phenomenal.

Did you go to any Super Bowl parties or no?

I went to a New Heights party. I went to a Stapleton concert. And then outside of that, I just lost all my money at a casino. Casino was right next door. Because I won so much money last year at Las Vegas, I thought, Hey, we'll just keep this rolling. This would be great. Yeah, it didn't work this time.

That's how they work. It was back to why I normally don't go to the casino, because they're just handing them money.

This fucking guy, Tang, flipped 21. I'm like, God damn, No. Should I just bend over and pull my pants down? Is that where we're at right now?

I like my odds. I don't like it when... Because then I hate the dealer.

I don't ever take it on the dealer. Although I did get mad at Tang. I did get mad at Tang because he let somebody hit on a 14 when he was showing a five, and I was like, Tang, that's a piece of shit move, dog. You can't let that. You got to ask, Are you sure? You got to be... You know what I mean? I always tip dealers. Dealers are the best, but you can't be letting somebody just hit on a 14.

But what if- You got to double check. What if you feel- You got to ask, Are you sure?

And point to the five that you're showing. You know what I mean? That's dealer etiquette.

What if the guy was just feeling it?

I think that In all honesty, the person that hit was a little drunk, and he was continually having to correct her, and I think he just got tired of doing it.

But I saw that happen.

That's me. I saw that happen, and I was like, The moment that happened, I was like, this whole fucking, I'm losing all my money right now.

That's why I get so impatient having to, quote, unquote, play by the book. I don't do anything by the book. It's like for me to have to sit there- You don't do anything by the book.

You do some things by the book.

I don't do anything by the book. You're splitting I'm splitting the fuck out of 10s every single time. I'm doing everything, dude. I'm doing it all. If there's any chance that I could make more money than what I just put down, I'm doing it.

God, that's Any chance to double, split?

All of it. I'm doing the side bets every fucking turn.

Oh my God.

If I'm feeling a lot of low cards coming out at a certain time, I'll fucking hit on 16. I don't give a shit.

Yeah.

Yeah, you do not want to play. Nobody wants to play a blackjack with me.

We tried roulette. You've turned Kylie into a big roulette player. I hate roulette.

I've turned her into it? Yeah.

You. You taught her how to play.

I She knew how to play when I sat down with her.

She did not. No, she did not know how to play.

Yes, she did.

You taught her. You said, You got to play this way.

No, I didn't.

Sit down on the European table and play the outsides.

No, no, no. Yeah. Kylie learned this when she was taking French. When she learned French, she learned how to play roulette.

Then I'm sitting there playing craps, and this fucking just dude is sitting down playing the Don't pass line, killing it. Just killing it. It's that vibe. That is disgusting, dude. I want to kill this guy so bad.

I hope- Your energy right now is ruining my time. Do you mind putting it on the pass line? Dude, craps.

But then I like it because I'm like, I'm just going to play just to try and win, and he's killing me, and then it's like, goddamn.

I might just go live in a casino for a month.

To be honest, that was a bigger bloodbath than the game was. I know you're frustrated with the eagles Chief's game. The craps table with Jason Kelsi versus this guy, it was even more embarrassing.

I don't know if it can get any more embarrassing than that. Fuck. Coolest person you ran into all week. Coolest? The coolest. I saw you go past one guy at the game.

You did? Who?

The Sandman.

Yes, you did see that.

I did see that.

I felt I was in a rush, like hurrying past him, and I almost missed him, and he's like, Jason, it's Adam. I'm like, Yeah, I know you fucking are Adam Sandler.

Are you kidding me? But thank you for stopping me.

No, that was dope. It was awesome seeing the Sandman. I saw Rob McElaney. He was in the suite next to us. I saw Bradley Cooper from a few suites down. We did a nice wave. We didn't go over there.

Bc. That's my guy right there, man.

Who else did I see? I saw Scotty Hartnell. Scotty Hartnell was out there. Aaron and Carissa. I just saw Stapleton, Chris. I saw Bert Kreisher. I saw Bustin. I sawPMT.

I just said the coolest person I've ever known.

Sorry. Yeah, my bad. The coolest person I saw was Michael Cherry Coke. He was Let me make sure I get his accolade right. So I went to a US naval Air Base down there. I met this guy. He's from Philadelphia at Weaver's Orchard. We were picking apples with the girls one off-season, and He was like, Hey, if you're ever in New Orleans, you should stop by the military base. If you guys want to do the podcast there or do whatever, we'd love to have you. Dude, he invited me down. I got to see a practice routine with a bunch of jets that went off. They were doing tactical formations and stuff. Dude, it was insane. It was absolutely insane. That's awesome. I got in a flight simulator.

How did you do?

I was coming right off Bourbon Street, so not great. It was a very wobbly flight, very wobbly flight with a joystick. But dude, very disorienting, too. Like, He did not let me land it. He was like, There's no way you're going to be able to land this, so we're just going to keep this thing moving. What else? What else?

What else? I got to get down there.

Dude, it was so sick. Honestly, it would be great to go back and do a podcast there because those dudes were awesome. It was just a great vibe. I also just love being around military guys because they're always just like, I don't know, the gems, dude. What else? Ate a bunch of King Cake, went to the oldest bar, running continuously in New Orleans. It was like a Something Blacksmith. It's been open for 300 years. Lafitte's Blacksmith bar, right? Freaking dope. Super cool spot. We got the best. We did a lot.

I think you've officially perfected getting out of the house, Jason. I'm just as a brother of you and knowing who you've been your entire life. I'm proud. I'm happy to see this.

Thank you. Thank you very much.

I'm happy to see you turn into this and enjoy what the world has to offer. And shout out to New Orleans, man. I don't have the fondest of memories there, but- The Kelsies have awful luck in New Orleans. There's- Sugar Bowl.

I lost a playoff game here in 2018 after the Super Bowl? Well, 2019. And then obviously this last week.

This week, yeah. But I will say this. I have always enjoyed the random times that I was in New Orleans. And I have so many, so many friends and teammates that I just fucking love that are from the state of Louisiana, but specifically around the New Orleans area. I got nothing but love for them.

I'm not going to lie, I love the culture.

No, it's the best. It's the best. Going down there for a few bachelor parties in my day and enjoying the music and bar scenes. It is a really cool place. But for whatever reason, me and football does not thrive there. Again, shout out to New Orleans. That does it for Out of the House, brought to you by AMX. American Express. Get your AMX. All right, now, folks, we got to talk about something that keeps one of us feeling on top every single day.

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You. I love Nike commercials. I've been a huge fan of Kaitlyn Clarke since she's been in college, obviously through the Olympics.

Shaqari Richardson.

Yep.

You can't win sowin. Yeah.

Speaking of all the things they say women can't do.

Yeah. If there's one thing I can firmly get on board with is telling a bunch of people who think you can't do something to shove it. I'm all on board with that. That's a great message by Nike.

I'm with that as well.

With some incredible athletes.

A bunch of familiar faces, yeah.

Gold medal winners, freaking champions.

Nike, thank you for such a powerful message on the biggest stage. Obviously, everybody watches those Super of all commercials to see what messages are sent, and Nike's sending one of the best ones of this year. And shout out to Kaylyn.

Killing it.

Getting in a dope-ass Nike commercial, man.

Gosh. Got to love it. That's another thing that's nostalgic. Being like the face of Nike.

Yeah. And it also being Nike's-Jordan.

Well, Jordan was the face of Jordan, I guess.

Tiger. He was originally the face of Nike.

You got Jordan, you got Tiger, Le Ron. There's somebody in between those.

Griffy.

Griffy.

Kobe, Wayne Gridsky. Shout out to Nike for jumping in on the Super Bowl commercial, coming with one that actually had a very, very meaningful message to to all the young woman athletes out there.

Yeah, absolutely.

I'll always be team Nike.

All righty. Time for No Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Marvel Studios. Captain America, brave new world. How about that?

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Got superhero movies we're doing ad reads for now. All right. Mr. Jdanger@misterdanger1. I actually saw this tweet and thought it was hilarious as a No Dumb Question. If you So this was in response to the statement I released saying that I love and care about you more than anyone else, more than anyone? Yeah. Right? And this question, this was a prompt underneath that response of basically saying that it's ridiculous that I would have to say that I love you more than Kyland goes, which I love you the same, but we're going to read this question. I don't love anybody more. I love you the same. You don't have to.

It's the fact that you think I give a fuck about... This is so funny. I know you're...

We're going to read this question. Go ahead. If you had to push Travis or your wife over a cliff, who would you choose? You must choose one. Don't skirt the question, Jason. You said you love no one more than Travis. Are you pushing your wife over? Here's my answer, and tell me if I'm correct. Should I answer first or do you want to answer first?

This question is for you.

Okay. I'm pushing Travis over because he would tell me to push him over the cliff.

100 %.

Bam, baby. I knew it.

Don't you fucking push Kylie off on the fucking cliff? Are you kidding me? I'll be just fine. All right. I'll tuck and roll. I'll fucking hit the ground and fucking roll out of that fucking thing. I'll find a way out of it. I'll flank away to safety. I don't know how the fuck I'll do it. I'll fucking sprawl out like a flying squirrel or some shit. I'll be fine. I'll figure some shit It's out. But Chris Farley in American Heroes, is that the movie?

Dude, oh my God.

Now, that's a deep cut right there. I love that fucking scene. Is that what that movie?

I think it was American Heroes, right? Something like that.

Some heroes. I think it was American heroes. They were racing fucking Lewis and Clark to the West.

Yeah.

That's funny.

Should we keep reimagining this question?

No, I think you answered it.

All right. If you had to push me or mom over a cliff, who would you choose? You must choose one. Don't skirt the question. Don't skirt the question, Travis.

Mom's 70. You have kids that need to be raised. God damn it.

Don't skirt the question, Travis. You got to choose one.

I'm going to choose mom because you would want me to push mom.

Oh, my God.

Oh, man. I think-I wouldn't push either of you, I'd jump That's what I...

When I first read this question, I thought the exact same thing. I'd just jump off of the cliff. But I don't think it works like that. In this hypothetical, you can't. I think the answer, dude, you got to push me. This is the code of being a man. When the lifeboats are getting loaded, the women and children go first.

Yeah, too shit.

You got to push me. But I think mom would jump off. That's what I think. She's not on here to vouch, but I know that if it was me versus any of my siblings, I'm jumping off the fucking cliff. You I'm not even got to push me. Well, unless that's not allowed, then I'll tell you to push me. I'll give you the nod. If you're not allowed to say it, I'll just go like this. For future reference, if we're ever in this scenario-Just a little. And we're not allowed to... We're taped. Spe. If I just go like this, push me right off the cliff.

You're fucking hilarious. Nice. Just in case we ever get caught in that scenario.

Just in case we ever get caught in this ridiculous hypothetical situation, push me.

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Do I put the cereal first or the milk first?

This is why we I have this fucking segment in here as no dumb questions. This is about as stupid of a question as I've ever heard. Everyone knows the cereal goes in first.

Be careful, Chad. Be careful what you say.

Everyone knows the cereal goes in first. You have to lather up all the cereal.

I'm on the same page with you.

You don't just pour it in one part of the bowl either. You pour it over the top and you get everything covered in milk.

I'm I'm 100% with you. There's no logical reason to pour the cereal second, but for some reason, Kylie pours the cereal second. What? It's never made sense to me. I don't know why. I mean, in no other situation where a solid goes into a liquid, would you ever put the solid in second? It's just asking for a disaster to happen.

It doesn't make any sense.

You don't fill a glass up to the brim and then start loading ice cubes in that motherfucker. You're going to get water all over the place. What are we doing here? But Kyrie does do it that way.

That doesn't make any sense.

I usually don't say anything because it's none of my business, even though I think it's ridiculous.

It's not the argument to start.

Also, it doesn't make it taste better. If you just dry cereal, what do you put in the milk? Anywhere with it. There's a reason you put the milk in second because it gets the cereal to the perfect consistency of moistness.

It's thank you. Yeah.

Nice. Ky, you're wrong on this one. I'll go to... I'm pretty sure if we put a poll out, you'd be in the bottom 8% of the 92%.

Well, there's only one way to find out. 92%-ers. We will have a poll, so let us know if us or Kyla are in the right. Next no dumb question, what do we got?

Okay, from @notoriusrbg. Okay, but speaking of loyalty issues, what about this? It's 10 years from now, you both retired and our beloved Browns, inexplicably, have made it to the Super Bowl, versus the Chiefs and Eagles.

10 years from now?

Who are we rooting for?

That's a good question. Initially, I would say I wouldn't even think about cheering for the Browns. But I do still have that childhood Cleveland sports fan, fandom in me.

Yeah, for sure.

To see how the situation over there in Cleveland has been since I've been in the league. Pretty bad. Yeah, it's been What do you mean since you've been in the league?

Since they've come back?

I mean, the Tim Couch era wasn't horrible.

They made it to the playoffs.

Wasn't the best. I just feel like the organization wasn't looked at the way they looked at right now.

Sure.

Right now, it's pretty rough. I think Cleveland deserves to get a year-in, year-out, respectable and great product out there on the But now, don't get me wrong, Flacko leading them to the playoffs and giving them some fun to cheer for last year's The Cinderella story. I enjoyed talking to my friends about that one. One, because it's easy to cheer for a guy like Flacko. What I'm trying to say is there will be the kid in me that cheers for the Browns. But if there's anybody still left from the run that we've had here in Kansas City, I would probably say I'd hope for the best for them.

Yeah, I'm going to go Eagles. I've already learned I'm not touching the Browns for a second. They already think I don't want root for them for some reason. If it's anybody other than the Chiefs and Eagles, I'm going Browns. That's where it comes out. They're the next team, but we've both spent a lot of time and Energy, personally, with both of these franchises, I don't think at this point. Browns versus Chiefs, maybe. But Browns versus Eagles, now I'm going Eagles.

I'm going... I could say the same. Browns versus Chiefs, I'm going Chiefs. Browns versus Eagles, I'll go Browns.

They're probably fourth behind whatever team you're coaching for. Shout out to Andy for dropping that knowledge on us. Coach Trav has a future.

Coach Trav.

Coach Trav. Would you go by Coach Trav or Coach Kelsey?

Coach Kelsey sounds way better.

I like Coach Trav. I don't know what it is. Does it? All right, fair enough. Coach Kelsey.

I think just Kels, not even Kelsey. God damn it. That'd be you. You'd You be Coach Kelsey.

You be like, Don't call me Coach Kelsey, you motherfuckers.

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