Transcript of Deion Sanders on Missing Shedeur, 90s Cowboys Aura and Becoming Prime Time | Ep 155

My welcome to the NFL moment was housing that thing on the first game I played in against the Ram.

That's a hell of a welcome. That's a good one.

I dropped it, picked it up, and housed it. And I can remember going downtown to the mall, I bought 11 Gucci watches for the whole Pup Return team.

Special teams? Oh, man, this is electric.

And I wrote on the card, Every fourth down, I just wanted you all to know what time it was.

That is Welcome back to New Heights. Ladies and gentlemen, Boys and Girls, The Wondry Show, brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups, the delicious peanut butter cups with the Oreo cookie combined. God damn. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsi, and my big brother Jason Kelsi out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Subscribe on YouTube, WNDYR Plus, wherever you get your podcast, and follow the show on all social media @newheightshow with one S for fun clips throughout the week. 92 % is we got an incredible guest episode, man. He's been one of the main people that I've looked up to my entire life that I've always wanted to get on this show, and it's finally happening. It's pretty incredible. We got a great episode. Jason, why don't you do the honors and tell everybody what we got coming up today.

Before we get to that, Travis, let's put them on.

Baby. There we go.

We got a fun one right now.

See what time it... Oh, yeah. Hold up. Hold on. Excuse me. I think money is on the line, baby.

All righty, our guest today is a 6'1 shutdown quarterback from Florida State University. He was the fifth overall pick in the 1989 NFL draft. He's a six-time All-Pro, eight-time Pro-Maur, one-time Defensive Player of the Year, and a member of the NFL Hall of Fame. He's a 2000 Super Bowl champion and the only person in history to play in a Super Bowl and a World Series. You know him as Neon Deon, Primetime, and most recently, Coach Prime. 92% of us, please welcome Deon Sanders.

That's how I'm waking up now. I'm not getting out of my bed unless I hear that. I'm not getting up.

Coach, this is the least we can do, man. We appreciate you taking the time, man. How are we doing this week? We getting the guys back on Back on track?

We got no choice.

There we go. I'm right there with you. I'm right there with you, Coach. I'm right there with you, man. How did we walk into the building today? That's what I want to know, man.

You know what, man? The whole thing is accountability. That's my word of the week. Everybody's accountable, baby. Everybody's accountable. We got to step it up. We got to go to the next level. And you can't want the good, pretty, shiny stuff if you're not ready to do the good, pretty, shiny things.

I I love it. I love it, man. Well said. Getting after it. And that's exactly the message that Coach Reid actually had for us. It's just accountability, man. As long as you're bringing that energy and you're holding yourself accountable, we're going to be just fine. It's going to be all right.

Well, Coach, we start everything off with a little bit of new news. And how about you start us off a little bit of that new news? I know you're recently dropping your new Prime '21 apparel. Yes, sir. High stepper socks, cowboy hats. Hold on, listen. I didn't have these. These shades are ridiculous. Shades of both. Man, these are nice.

Shades of both. Come on now. I'm going to tell you something about the socks. See, Kelsi, back in the day, they thought I just wore my socks scrunched down, but I actually had them made like this. Really?

I didn't know that. Everybody's been faking it this whole time.

Everybody's been trying to replicate. They can't do it.

They were made like this. So when I pulled them up, it just had that appearance. It had that look, but they were made like this.

I love it. I love it. Hell, yeah.

I was like, Listen, everybody wants be like Prime. At what point in your life, Coach, did you know you had people gravitating towards you because of the personality that you had?

I was a little... You wouldn't believe it now because I know when I got to put on, I got to show up, I got to show up. But I'm a homebody, man. I don't go out, I don't club, I don't kick it, I don't smoke, I don't drink, never taste alcohol, never been high there in my life. I don't mind playing in front of crowds and selling stadiums out, but I don't like crowds. I don't like to be in crowds or around a lot of people. I'm a home guy. I'm in a head by seven, man. I never went out after the game because I always had migraines because I was so hype doing the games. Coming down always gave me migraines. So I had to go right home with ice packs on my neck and they had no cure for it. I had all stuff going on, but I could never celebrate like that. I never was that type of guy that persona led me to be.

I hear you. Yeah, absolutely. The persona is definitely what everybody knows you as the freaking prime time. I mean, come on now. That was our entire childhood. Watching that was incredible.

I'm just glad they're bringing back the kicks. I'm just glad they're bringing back the kicks. What do you want? The diamond turfs. What do you want? Every color way, man. Every single color way.

Which one do you need, Kels? Which one do you want? What do you want?

You know I got all of them, Coach. You know I I got all I need every single one.

What do you want? What do you want? What do you need? They don't make it with good leather like this anymore.

Coach, I appreciate you bringing them back.

I got you, babe.

One of the things that's been so fun to watch is you taking that personality and that energy to the college football ranks and coaching. I love it, man. You've completely changed the game. You're still at Colorado, but now the thing that's changed this year is your sons aren't there anymore. What's it been like now that your kids have moved on in their careers? What's it like coaching now?

Tough. Jokes? Yeah. They're clowning me right now, and I'm clowning them right back. I just got to the phone with Shador. We got this family chat, then we got the girls involved with the chat, then we just got all the boys and all the girls We got all different chats because I got five kids. So right now they're on my butt. I just told Shador, I know you missed me. He said, I know you missed me. Get it twisted. But you know I definitely miss them because just all my life, they've been there. They've been there, and they've been right there with me the whole separate way. My oldest son is still here doing all the social stuff, but I definitely miss my other two sons. I certainly do. And my daughter that was playing basketball here. She had Alabama A&M right now.

That had to be such a special time in your life to be able to do that with your kids like that, man. I think everybody in the football world could only dream of being able to do something that you did like that, man.

We don't We didn't know another way. We didn't know another way. All our lives, that's the only way we knew. So we never knew another way of how it's supposed to be. We thought that's how it's supposed to be.

You got a new quarterback under your hands, Martin Luther You're stalled. Man, I had a dream of being here and doing it. The interview after the first game was electric, man. But right now, I'm not sure how the NIL world has changed you knew college to be when you were at Florida State. But how difficult is that navigating the new world that is amongst the NIL deals in college?

Let me take you back a minute. I think I was actually the first NIL deal because my junior year, I didn't play baseball at Florida State, but I got drafted by the Yankees. So I accepted professional cash, which allowed me to be a walk-on coming back in my senior year of football. So I went and played the whole summer, six weeks. I played Rooky League for two weeks in Sarasota. I played single A for two weeks in Fort Lauderdale. Did I want to play for two weeks in Columbus? All in a sudden. Then I came back in August to get ready for camp.

That is so wild.

I've never seen it here, of football. So since I accepted money from pros, I was a walk on.

That's crazy.

The Yankees paid my scholarship, but you couldn't tell me nothing on campus. You couldn't tell me.

Of course. Yeah, right.

I got a neck full of gold. I got big gluey bags. That's what it's like. That's when the prize stuff really jumped down because I had justification.

Yeah, for sure.

That's amazing. That's such a crazy world, man. And obviously, it primed you up and got you ready for when you went to the pros and played in two different professional league in the same day.

Yeah, but man, it was my life, fellows. To me, it was nothing big because that was my life. All my life, I had played baseball, football, and basketball. So even in high school, I remember playing in the basketball All-Star Game the same day the baseball All-Star Game was. We played baseball during that day. The basketball game was that night, so I was used to that. So when I get to college, how can somebody tell you what you can't do? And this is the only life I knew. I didn't know another life. So that's why when it got to the pro level, I'm like, How are you telling me I can't do this? And this is all I know. I don't know no other way.

We definitely played multiple sports growing up, and I tried to do the football-basketball thing. When I say I tried, I asked and they said, Yeah, you can come on, but you're going to get a football scholarship You're going to play football until football season is over with, and then you're going to go play basketball. And then there was the whole, You have to be responsible, Travis. And that's what I wasn't. The accountability and how responsible you were, you had everything in line. And that's the type of dedication it takes for somebody to be not only just a two-sport star, but maybe even a two-position star like you had with Travis Hunter last year.

Yeah, man.

How have you seen him come into his role with Jacksonville? Do you like how he's being used yet, or have you been able to even catch him?

No, definitely not. They're not using him enough. I skin it with my own eyes on an everyday basis for three straight years. So I know what he's capable of, and I know how you got to take care of him. He never practiced On Tuesdays, he's practiced on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. He was ready to play 100 and something snaps on Saturday, so you didn't need to use him on a Tuesday or Monday. You don't use him like that. But Travis is a big kid, man. He just loves the game. He loves football. He loves studying. He loves the preparation. He always had at least five hours of study in each week because we keep that. We keep that list. We know how much everybody's studying. And he is just a phenomenal athlete, one of the greatest I've ever seen do both simultaneously. He dominated. My rule is I don't let anybody do it long as you dominate. You got to be dominant on that. You got to get it done. Yeah, you got to get it done. I can't let you out there. You're getting killed on the corner, but you're playing receive.

No, no, no.

It doesn't work.

Obviously, Travis Hunter, the big number one pick out there. You've had a couple of other players. Obviously, your son Shador, LeJante Wester with the Ravens, and Jimmy Horn with the Panthers. I guess as Browns fans, we got to know. Have you been keeping up with Shador in Cleveland? Dylan, what's the best piece of advice you've given him as a dad and as a coach?

Be patient and be ready. There you go. Be patient and be ready. That's all you can do. I don't want you to... They call your name and you ain't ready. Don't let that. We ain't built like that. We ain't built like that. We always ready. We don't have to get ready. We always ready. And I want you to be patient. You don't force none that it may not be time. I drink coffee every morning. That's one thing I do. I don't pull the coffee cup off the darn maker before it's ready. It got to be prepared right. Put my ingredients in, I make it right. But I'm like, Son, you got to be ready. You got to be ready when it's time. But when it's time, you're going to know. I'm saying it's coming up. I got a prediction. I'm not telling nobody. I got a feeling when it's going to go down, but it's going to go down. It's going to happen.

All right.

Yeah, you're going to get a shot.

And that's all you can ask for as a player. All you can ask for is the opportunity, right?

Tell me this, because this was all over the media, because I know you all keep it a buck. That's why I love you all to and mama, too. Please tell mama, I said, Hi. Let me tell you something. How in the world... They made a big deal out of... Philly called us on draft day. They didn't mention that. I just let a cat out of the bag.

Philly called us on draft. Okay. No, it's good. I didn't know that.

Who was it? Baltimore.

I heard this, yeah.

And the Browns. They forget. I know I played for Baltimore, so me and Ozzie are cool. There you go. We understood that whole conversation, and he wanted to talk to Shador as well as he wanted to talk to me. And I put Shador on the phone, and Shador, I don't want to say how it went, but how in the world can somebody fault him for saying or thinking, Why in the world would I go back up Lamar for 10 more years? Who comes in with that mindset?

No, that's not where you want to go. If the goal is to be that guy and you want to be the player and the number of quarterback- You want to get that Yeah, but where did these guys come from that sit on these platforms and say, Oh, you should have sat in behind and learned the game and been what they developed?

When have the pros ever developed anybody?

Yeah, it don't happen very often.

By the time you get to the NFL, they expect you to know what you need to do and to do it, or somebody else is going to get in there and do it. Now, they teach you their playbook, but development and teaching you how to route folks up and you how to block and hold that point, man, please.

Ain't nobody told you that. You're going to figure it out on your own, man.

There you go.

I've been trying to teach some guys that have come in and out of the building or all across that ask you, How do you run your route like this? How do you run your route like that? I'm like, Man, you just got to run it enough to figure it out.

For me, I was a six-round draft pick, and I got drafted to a team in Philadelphia that wanted a new center. I was so lucky to get into a position where they were like, Just don't fuck this up, Jason, and you can be the starter. We want you to play. And that's like, if I would have went behind Kevin Mouai, or I'm trying to think of who the other centers were Alex Mack or some of these guys, and sat like, yeah, I would have learned something from, but it was much better for me in my career to get an opportunity to go and play right away. There ain't no question. And if I wouldn't have changed that for a second. Don't matter what, I'm going to learn or develop anywhere I've never sat on the bench and said, Well, I learned a lot today.

That is a fucking great quote.

God damn, that is a good quote.

Who learns sitting on the bench? Who does that?

Yeah, you're going to learn a lot more being out there. We did want to bring up, you've been known to rank your kids. What's the latest ranking?

Where are we at right now?

First of all, your parents rank you all. You all just don't know.

Okay? No, for sure. Mom's always had Travis I do know.

Listen, and right now, mom has Jason number one because he has kids.

That is true. She has said that. She has made that comment. She's put some pressure on him.

But what you waiting on, though. So what you waiting for. Like I said, my kids, I know we've had some close calls. I tell my kids. We sitting in the edge of the bed like, Oh, Lord, if you get me out of this one. I promise you I'll be with church Sunday. I promise you, Lord. I I rate my kids, man. I love them differently. I don't love them the same, but this is honest. I know which one is going to take care of me when I'm older. I know which one is going to ask me for money when I'm older. I know which one.

It keeps me on my knees in front of God.

I know I'm like a book. All you have to do is just describe what happened, and I could tell you which one did it. That's how knowledgeable I am with my kids, and I love them differently.

Let's transition to playing, Primetown.

Oh, man.

The one that we grew up, just the incredible Not just... It wasn't just that you were a player. That was spectacular, but it was everything. The bravado, the whole show was just incredible to watch, and it all really took off with the '90s Cowboys. So recently, Netflix put out America's Team documentary about the '90s Cowboys. I mean, what was it like playing on this team, Coach?

Yeah. Unbelievable. I was just going through a personal hell at the time. I left San Fran. I need the challenges in my life. I'm like, Okay, let me go to San Fran. Okay, we beat the Cowboys. Oh, boom. Jerry Jones wants me to go there. Let me go there and see if we could beat San Fran now. It's like I need the challenges in my life. I called Mike Playmakers like a brother to me, man. We had a bunch of Florida boys that played for Cowboys at the time. I said, How's it, man? Because I ain't with no jealousy. I ain't got time for this, man. Every locker room I've been in, it's been some bull junk. I ain't got time for that. Mike said, We good over here, baby. We Florida boys over here. Emmet, Mike, Big Nate, all my guys, Big Florida boys. Okay. So it was unbelievable, man. Jerry Jones will go down and should go down in his history as arguably the best owner that ever owned a football franchise. Because of just... You hear media talk about Jerry. You've never heard a player talk about Jerry Jones in a negative fashion because he is unbelievable.

I had the luxury to play for Eddie Di Barlow, who was unbelievable in some other ones in Steve Ashti later on in life. But let me tell you something, man, the Cowboys, you're talking about America's team, and when you travel, and when you go places, it's probably like it is for Kels. Right now, you see, it's probably the same way. You guys are with the ADF of Philly at the end. Philly fans are crazy. They'll kill you, shake you in.

It was unbelievable, man.

It really was. It was an experience like... We were too young and dumb to really know the level of it.

I can only imagine what it was. I mean, it took it by storm, and it literally became the biggest franchise in sports because of those years. Is that your favorite team that you were on in the NFL?

No, no. Atlanta was my favorite team.

Atlanta was a fan of?

We had so much fun, man. I mean, we got our buts kicked. I think we went to a playout for them. We had so much fun, man. I think we had a team meeting Magic City every Friday night. It was just crazy. We had so much fun. Shout out to Magic. It was so much fun. But the Dallas Cowboys were San Francisco was business. It was like business. And I love that it was business. But then you got to Dallas and you won like they did in San Fran, but you had fun winning because you enjoyed all your teammates and all the laughter and the banter that went on.

I got to say, from this documentary in Dallas, as an Eagles fan, or as an Eagles player, and on this side of it, you're taught to hate Jerry Jones. I got to say, I like what I'm seeing. I got to admit I'm going to admit when between this documentary and then his deal on Landman, when he talks about buying the franchise and his family and everything, I'm like, You know what? I'm turning into a Jerry guy. I like what I'm being told.

Let me Let me give you one quick story about Jerry. Once upon a time, I'm watching ESPN and this guy is about to go crazy. You remember Big Kells? I called Big Kells a little bit. Alonso Spell, man. Lonsol Spell. He had arms hanging down to his knees, just Shreadet, ripped, just unbelievable. He was going through something in this crazy house or whatever they admitted them to in Chicago. I said, Jerry, I could help him. I could help him. He flew his jet to pick the kid up, brought him to the Cowboys and changed his life, man. That's amazing. He helped change his life, and he ended up balling out for us, signing another deal. Then he ended up, he had a decision, whether to stay there or go to Detroit Detroit, New England somewhere. I think he chose Detroit. I don't know if it worked out, but changed that kid's life, man. But that's the guy Jerry was. If you said, Hey, man, go get that dude. He could help us. Jerry was going to go get him if he felt like he could help the team. That's the guy Jerry was.

That's the guy you want to play for, man.

Absolutely.

We wanted to win for him. Zem and the whole darn shebang, man. We had a great group of coaches. I love me some Barry Switzer, man. That was my dude, man. That was my dude. Barry got me my first bass boat from Jerry Riddle. He called me in the office. I know him. I heard you make fishing for him. I said, Yeah, I do. He said, Man, you go down there on 35 and ask for Jerry Riddle. Tell him Barry sent you. Then they gave me a 21-foot ProCraft. I never forgot that day, man. I was stunned on the lake.

How many you catch that day?

I don't know, but that was good. That was my first This time, I was a fly fisherman. I don't fly fish, but I... No, no, I was a fly fisherman.

There we go. That's too good, man.

Who was the one quarterback you love playing the most? Either out of respect or the fact that he just was silly enough to keep throwing the ball your way.

The cat from the Rams. The cat from the Rams used to always have something for me, man. Oh, what was his name?

Jim Everett.

Jim Everett. Jim Everett had a bull on that thing. He had a bull on that thing for me, man.

My God. I got a good story. I don't know if it's mine to tell, but I'm going to tell it. Andy Reid was telling me, I wear your shoes in the facility. I rock them whenever we're on the field, we're not doing anything up-tempo and stuff like that. I'm always rocking your kicks. And he asked me, What are those shoes? And I told him, I was like, They're from the '90s. They're Deion Sanders' Diamond Turfs. And he said, Man. He just shook his head and he was like, When we played them, when he He was in Green Bay coaching with Brett Farb, he was a quarterback's coach. He said, he told Farr before the game, he's like, Listen, whatever you do, just not that side of the field. Just don't do it. Just not that side of the field. Just don't do it. It's not even worth it. Just go over here. You'll be fine. We'll be fine. He said, Within the first handful of plays, he tested the waters. And he said, he walked over to the sideline. He couldn't even look Brett in the face because you picked it off.

There's a house call. But you got to understand why Brett tried me. Brett was my teammate in Atlanta.

Oh, yeah. Rooky year, Brett.

He was traded to the Balk. The reason he was traded to the Green Bay is because Brett used to tell the starting quarterback, Chris Miller at the time, Hey, go on out there messing up. I'll be in by the third quarter. I'm not serious, man. That was crazy, man. Brett was an unbelievable talent. We knew he was going to be a guy like his rookie. He didn't know what was going on, where the ball was going. I just know he would just stop on a dam on the scout team and throw a rope 40 yards. We knew he had it, and they had to get him out of there because he was putting too much pressure on the starter. But we knew Brett was going to be that guy.

I'll tell you what, I have a similar... Because Mahomes didn't play his rookie year either. He didn't play till the last game when we already knew we had the playoff seat locked in. And man, some of those scout team looks-Oh, my God. Of him just running around, throwing across. We're like, Man, this is insane. I don't know what we're doing here. This is the most incredible way I've ever seen anybody play the game of football. And we're just like, There's no way he could do this in the game. He's got to be a little bit more polished, sure enough. The first year, he starts, man, 50 touch downs, 5,000 yards. I'm just like, Oh, no. He's got the cojones to do it in the NFL, too.

I love Andy, man. I love your team and the whole makeup of it and those personalities. I I know once you start winning, those personalities start being taken away from you, and you got to try to replace it and subsidize some of it. And it's tough. Both of you guys have dealt with that. But I love it, man. I just love what Andy Reid represents to the NFL, man. I've always have respected him tremendously, man.

I wouldn't be the same player I am right now if it wasn't for that guy.

He sure love to mic big. That's one of the main reasons because he took care of Mike.

That was the first quarterback I ever snapped to in the NFL. I mean, that was wild.

I was about to say, I saw Jason taking snaps from Michael Vick. I'm just like, Oh, shit. This is really happening.

You go from the Cincinnati Bearcats to snapping it to Michael Vick. I was like, This is a little bit different. Let me ask you this. You brought up personalities. Those Cowboys teams, you, Michael Irvin, Emmet, Troy. What would that team do in today's NFL? How would they fare against a Philadelphia Eagles 2024, Kansas City Chiefs team.

I'll tell you what, man, it would have been a battle. I think I would always say I think we would have won it because simply- You have to. Because that whole darn offensive line was Pro bowlers, a whole line. Then you got tight in Jay Novochek killing everybody like Kels. Then you got Mike doing what he did, Emmett doing what he did. Then on the flip side, you got Charles Haley coming off that edge. I got this side, just put him on the other side and flush the quarterback, make him throw to me. So we had that thing, Darren Woodson back there doing this thing. Leonlett. I mean, it was stacked. It was everywhere. Yeah, yeah. It was crazy, man.

We just put on that clip of Larry Allen chasing down a lineback. I guess that understand. It's still the most impressive thing I've ever seen an offensive I'm going to do on the NFL field.

Him working out was the most impressive thing I've seen, him working out in the weight room.

There's that Pro Bowl one where he's doing the bench press. I'm sure you've seen some even better ones.

Yeah, man. But you see the way he worked in practice, I mean, it was violent, man. It was violent. Yeah, he was violent.

Do you think it's harder or easier to be a defensive back in today's game?

It depends on what type of defensive back you are. If you're a defensive back that they want to see play, they're going to ride with you. You understand, I'm the only guy that swung on a man that didn't get thrown out of the game.

There we go.

We got to keep 2-1 in the game, man.

Got to take care of our stars now.

It would have been interesting. The game has changed so darn much, and they want to see a lot of points scored. But also, if you stop it, you got to get the full... You got to punt it. You got to throw it, man. You got to punt it. You're going to see me one way or another, or I jump on the office, the place of office, you're going to see me.

I love it, man.

Are there any modern corners that... Who are the best in the game?

I don't watch him too much, man. I got to study his colors.

Yeah, you got your hands full.

Yeah, that's fair. I like some of the old school cats, but I don't have time to invest in like I used to. Sure. Yeah, I don't have time to put in. I watch Kemp because he's my dog, and I want to see what dance he does after he scores. That's right.

I got a good one for you. Next one.

See, I want to see him walk to the game. I want to see what he wearing. Then I want to see what he do in the game. Then I want to see what he's wearing. I want to see all that.

Work too hard not to have fun with the prime.

Yeah, but you get it. You get it. Tell me, when did you start getting it?

I would say I probably I really started to really figure it out my second year playing in the league. That's when I finally felt like I belonged, and that's when I really started to get comfortable in my own skin, man. I was always a guy that had fun doing what I wanted to do, but I didn't have the professionalism. That responsibility I was telling you about why I didn't do dual sport. Once I started to be responsible in how I was conducting my professionalism, that's when I really started to get it and have fun.

Yeah, but you always had the fun with it. Even in high school, you You were always like that.

But when did the personality come from even you? When did the personality come? How many Lyman are on TV? Let's just get that straight.

Well, yeah, that's a unique thing. Yeah, it doesn't happen very often, but- Let's just talk about it, all I mean, on TV, guy.

Let's just get that straight. Do you know how good you have to be to conquer a Lyman everywhere and on national commercials? You're like, You got to be good.

One-on-one.

All right, fair enough. But I don't got nothing nowhere near the personality that Travis does.

Yeah, but when did it happen? But it had to kick in for you. Sometimes you had to say, You know what? I got something here. I got something here.

Yeah, I don't know. You're playing with good players. The Sean McCoy, Sean Jackson, freaking... It definitely manifestsests and sticks on you, for sure.

How about both these guys coach you, man? I love them to life, man. Those are my guys. I talk to them all the time. I try to encourage them all the time. I'm so proud of them on what to do, man.

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Brandon. All right, we've got Lions at Ravens, which is an incredible Monday Night Football matchup to cap off a solid weekend of football. The lions are underdogs going into Baltimore. The spread is five and a half in favor of the Ravens. Jason, what do you think?

Yeah, this is a tough one. Detroit looked dominant week two after a shaky start in Green Bay, starting to get their mojo back after Ben Johnson up and leaving them. Ravens looked strong in a week one, lost to Buffalo and beat the brakes off of Cleveland Browns.

Sorry about your Browns.

Yeah, I think this one seems like you go either way. Probably high scoring, but you never know.

Let's look at any time touch downs then. Ammon Ross St. Brown is one of the most consistent wideouts in the The box is going to be loaded up to stop Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery. How are we feeling about an Ammon Ross St. Brown, a countdown?

I would say I feel good about that.

Jake, why don't you take this next one?

All right. To me, this game comes down to the running game, and Derrick Henry is Derrick Henry. The Ravens rushing attack is dominant. They'll beat you with their running back. They'll beat you with their quarterback. I think if I'm the lions, I'm going to be keying in on Lamar. So I think that Derrick Henry is going to be the one who gets into the end zone. How are we feeling about that?

I like that.

It feels pretty logical to me.

Big Derrick Henry guy over here. All right, last one, Monday Night Football, over or under 51. 5 points. How are we feeling?

I think it's going to be over.

The team's combined for 93 points last week, and I think that's not bad. So a line of 51 is like, it's a fun over. When the line set that high, you want to be rooting for points. So I like the over here.

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All right, we're going to get to this next section. It's called We Got to Ask, all right?

Okay, I'm going to ask back, too. I'm going to ask back. I just want you all to know.

You were the first athlete to hit a home run and score a countdown in the same week. Which was harder?

Hitting that curve ball. Oh, yeah. Yes.

I think it's got to be the hardest thing in sports, right?

It is. Hitting? It is. It is. Consistently. I wasn't consistent with it, but hitting it. Yeah, that was the toughest thing ever. Got it. All right.

Which sport did you love the most, Ron?

Football. I could roll out of bed and do that. I could roll out of bed and do that. I remember we lost in the playoffs on a Wednesday night. We had a Thursday night football game. I remember calling my... He's passed away now. Why are you in? And I said, Why? Get it ready, baby. Get it ready. Get it ready. He said, Mom, I'm on this step ahead of you. We were playing the Rams, Los Angeles Rams that Thursday night, and I played that game. I didn't even know half the team. I remember going out there, starting, and they were tearing his other corner up. I don't even know who it was. I said, Look at him, man. Get out. I just pointed to the guy on the sideline. You get in, call cover two, kick to him. I got my side on the backside. We good. That's how we're going to do this That's so good.

Running it, man.

I love this shit.

There's a myth that the NFL Combine, you literally ran the 40 and kept running until you were out of the building.

That's not true.

Is this a myth? That's not true?

No, that's not true.

I thought that was true.

No, I ran a full two for breakfast, but the rest of it wasn't true.

I didn't keep running. That's one of my favorites.

I'm too respectful. Now, the bench press part, I was in there engaged in a good conversation. They do the bench I said, They said, Sanders. I was in this conversation, Sanders. I said, No, no, no. Ain't nobody going to lay across my hands and let me bench press me in the face.

I'm good. Why didn't do that? That got nothing to do with me.

That's the truth.

Now, the true or false. Didn't finish his Giants interview because they had the 10th pick, and he'd be gone by then. Is that true?

That's true. That's probably why they did it with my son. But anyway, we're going to talk about that.

We don't even need to get there.

What was more of your signature, your high step to the end zone or the strut when you got in the end zone, the dance when you got in the end zone?

I think the high step to the half.

The high step is what I think of for sure.

The fact that you could do that running 22 miles per hour, high stepping like that, I'm still mind blown because every time I try in high step, I drop back to about 15 miles per hour. I'm getting slower. It looks like you're going faster.

You're looking for the look. You look You look good, though, brother. You look good, though, brother.

That's the thing. How many times has that been replicated? I just think every player has done the high step since then to try and replicate it. That is just such an iconic moment of NFL history. That's the first thing I think of. That's for dang, man.

We got to get Jason high stepping, man.

Listen, these hammies can't high step. That ain't in my hamstrings. I wish I could. Is it true that your name is actually spelled Dian, D-I-I-O-N? On your birth certificate. Where are you guys getting this stuff from? We got some good research. We got some good researchers. That's true. That's true.

That's true.

But let me tell you what I did. You know, a kid going to school, learning how to spell. Yeah. We all learned the song. If I say the first part, you got to finish the second part. Old McDonald had a farm.

E-i-e-i-o.

Oh, yes. E-i-o.

E-i-e. E-i-o.

So it was D-E-I-O-N. I got it from Old McDonald. What?

Is it still that?

That's the way I spell it. Oh, my gosh, certificate is D-I-O-N, but I've always spelled it D-E-I-O-N. In.

There you go. You know how bad you got to be to just change your name and people just go along with it? Right here, Mr. Sanders. That's so good.

We had our guy, Jess Jake, who worked with you at NFL Network a little bit. He was the one that gave us the intel on that one. Oh, no, that's a good one.

That's real.

Oh, he was nicknamed turtle. You might know him as turtle.

Yeah, no turtle. Turtle was awesome, man.

A turtle?

Yeah, baby. We got turtle I'm on the squad.

Oh, man, you got some dicktail guys, man. Turtle was awesome, man. Turtle, we got some good memories, don't we, turtle?

Oh, here we go. Turtle's popping in. Hey, prom.

Oh, my... Hey. Turtle.

I just wanted...

How's it going?

How's it going?

Prime, good to see you. You know what I'm talking about, Mrs. Turtle, Mama turtle. We got some good memories. Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, we got some good memories. I didn't forget.

Oh, I didn't forget either, Prime. I gave you a lot of love when we were talking in our production meeting, so I appreciate the shout out.

Turtle, you've been a good man for a long time, man. I'm glad you see these champs, man. These guys are awesome, man.

You, three of my favorite people on one call right here. It's the best. I'm honored. I'm honored. Thanks, Prime. I appreciate it.

That's amazing.

Coach, whose idea was it for the bandana on the Hall of Fame bus?

Mine.

It's iconic.

This is how the bandana started. It was a wristband. I had a curl when I played Florida State. And it activated, it used to drip down to get your eyes. So I put a headband on my head. But when I put my helmet on, the headband slipped down, and that's when I started rocking the thing around the neck. That was by mistake. That wasn't this. Oh, my gosh.

That was by mistake. Everyone rocks that look. Everybody rocks that look.

It was by mistake. Then I started putting the headband around it because it'll hold up. But that was by mistake, the headband around the neck. That was for the curl, and it just slid down.

All by By mistake. Swagger just happens by mistake. The guy can't make any mistakes.

It just happens.

All right. You hold the NFL record for career return, touch down to 19, nine interceptions, six punt, three kickoff, and a fumbal. Which one is your favorite?

Do you have one? You got a favorite, a return for a touch down? Yeah.

House Call in Atlanta.

There we go.

House Call in Atlanta. Because we was on a plane, and I studied so darn much, and I got this dick That's back when we had to carry this big BCH thing, because you had a big.

Oh my gosh.

They watched me on the plane and I said, I can know these guys like a book. I know these guys like a book. And I was setting them up. I backed off. I said, They should throw a little five-yard hitch. They threw a hitch. I went and bumped and said, They should throw a fade. Trying to fade. I said, Okay, I got them. I got them. We got by down to the 10-yard line. They ran a flood route, offside. They lined up, ran it again, offside defense that time. So they went back to the same spot. I cannot believe they ran it. They got in the same formation trips. Again. Trips to the field. I put my back to the sideline, which I never do, and I squatted down real low, and they ran that flood, and I jumped it. But on the plane, I had told Carmen Policy and the late Dwight Clarke, I said, I'm going to pick one-off, and I'm going to high-stepping, and I'm going to look at the bench, and I'm going to Oh my God. He did exactly that. I'm not lying. I'm like, God, thank you. He came in to me the same way I said it would happen.

I said, I'm going to look at the bench and high-stepping, because it was a lot of animosity. I was going back to the crib to play, and my former teammates were hating on me a little bit.

Okay.

That's too funny, man.

I can't believe it was all so pre-planned and meticulous like that.

That's crazy. Man, you know that's steady. That's steady. That's steady. Yeah, it's preparation. That's all it is.

We know about all the success and all the unbelievable plays like the one you just mentioned right there. For the last question we got for you, Prime, what was your Welcome to the NFL moment?

God, what was the Welcome to the NFL moment? You mean something negative?

Honestly, it doesn't have to be.

It doesn't have to be, yeah.

I didn't have negative moments like Welcome to the NFL. My Welcome to the NFL moment was housing that thing on the first game I played in against the Ram.

That's a hell of a welcome. That's a good one.

I dropped it, picked it up, and housed it. And I can remember going to downtown to the mall, back then when we used to go to the mall, and I bought 11 Gucci watches. I bought 11 Gucci watches for the whole pop-return team.

Special teams? Oh, man, this is electric.

Including the special team's coach. And I wrote on the card, Every fourth down, I just wanted you all to know what time it was.

That is so good.

I gave it to them the next day. I want you to know what time it was.

You might be the only person that... It doesn't sound like there was an NFL welcome moment for Neon Deon. It was a welcome to Neon Deon for the NFL after that.

Welcome to Prime, baby.

I had just got there a few days before because I was banging in the back. I had just got there. I was with the Yankees. I had just got here three days before.

Man, that's electric, man.

So good.

I love you, Big God.

Thank you for being you. I love you.

Just instilling so much confidence and so much of your hard work and how you do things, your walk, your talk, how you played the game, man. I can't thank you enough. From a kid in the '90s, from the swag to the glasses to everything, man. Keep doing you. Always watching you on Saturdays now, just like I was on Sundays, man. Good luck this week. You guys got Wyoming coming up, right?

Yeah. I appreciate you all keeping it in the book.

Go ahead and get after it, baby.

Taking this thing to another level, what you all have done, and just putting alignment on the map, putting a tight in on the map. Just Being the family, man, and keeping that family, man, I love it. I love it. You guys have been good to me. You've been good to my kids. You stood up for them and gave them love because you knew what time it is. But I appreciate you all, man, and I love you for it. You know that.

You're the best. You're the best, Coach. Good luck the rest of the season. Thank you. You're doing it, baby. You already know.

All right.

That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you so much to our guests, Coach Prime, Deion Sanders.

My God.

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That shit's amazing. You like it? Follow the show on all social media @New Heights Show with 1S. Thanks to the New Heist production team for always making us look a whole lot better. Big shout out to turtle. And thank you again to the 92 percenters. And Prime time himself, man. Me and you both, baby. Let's get back on the wind train right now. Let's go. Let's go.

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Hello? Sweetie, let me call you back. Money's on the line. We got money on the line right now, and I can't tell you when it is quite right. Come on, baby. Let's go. Prime, Coach Prime.

I feel like I'm famous now. I'm with the Kelsi Brothers, man. I made it. I made it. Call my mama until I made it.

This has been trying to get on your level since the '90s, baby.

Hell, yeah. This is amazing.