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What I do, suck the head?

There you go. Go 45, two seats, six. Baby, that's all we need.

When you go to the bar at the Smote that Clawfish head.

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Bourbon Street, yeah.

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What are we here for?

Well, we're here for a good old rematch. The Jason eagles, baby.

The fuck? Why I invited.

I think that's why you're here. You got the invite. All right. Should have been. You're playing in the game.

My knees don't work anymore, Jeff. That's how it works. Damn it. I'm going to have to just drink hurricanes and handgranades to forget that I'm not playing in the game, so I won't have to think about it all week.

Watch out. That'll get you kicked off the team. Why don't you tell the people what we got coming up, dude?

Incredible episode for you guys. We're going to get the Travis's thoughts on the Super Bowl. We're also going to talk about a little bit of Orleans food and drinks. We got two incredible guests, and Payton and Elijah Manning. It's going to be a fun one. Can't wait to get to you guys. First, as always, New News.

New News. Coming in hot. That's right. New Heights pod, one gold again. Yeah. That's what we do, ladies and gentlemen. We're excellent. And when I say we, our production is excellent.

Yeah, they edit this very well.

And I don't know how they get good shit out of us. But you guys love it, and we appreciate you guys. New Heights took the gold in the best sports talk category in 2025 on the Sports Podcast Awards. Wow. Yeah. Gold medal, baby. Are we even sports talk?

Huh?

Are we even sports talk?

I mean, we talk, and we talk about sports sometimes.

So, yeah. That counts, right?

I think that's what sports talk is.

Nice. People listen to us because of sports, though, right?

Like half Nice.

Well, thank you guys. Enough to get a gold medal. Over at the Sports Podcast Awards. We accept your gold. Do people deny gold medals?

I might.

I know you would. That's why I'm... But this one you accept.

That's why I'm asking what this thing looks like and who's giving it to us. Sports Podcast Awards. This guy's insane. Best Sports Talk podcast, New Heights with Jason and Travis Koseler.

It seems like a legit award. They have a cool logo. Sometimes that's half of the battle right there.

I feel like all this stuff is just like, they're just trying to get us to tweet it so that they can be affirmed as an established thing. Well, it worked.

Nice. Thank you guys over at Sports Podcast Awards. Jason, why don't you tell everybody else what else we got?

Travis has won the 2024 Walter Payton Man of the Year Charity Challenge. Oh, yeah. For those of you that don't know, the winner of the Walter Payton Man of the Year Charity Challenge is decided on a fan vote on X/Schwitter.

Congratulations, Travis. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much.

This is the second time winning this award.

Two-time winner.

The first two-time winner.

Am I the first two? Oh, in the charity challenge? Nice.

In the charity challenge, you are now the first back-to-back winner in NFL history. The Chiefs are going to try and be the first back-to-back-to-back Super Bowl winners. Okay, I see where you're going. Which one is more important? Back-to-back Charity Award winner or back-to-back-to-back Super Bowl winner?

I think the charity will thrive more if I win the Super Bowl.

So you're saying the Super Bowl? Yeah. So you're saying the Super Bowl matters more than the kids and your foundation?

God damn it, that's tough. I didn't say that. See, I trapped him.

I did.

You bear trapped me. That son of a buck. No, and that money will be directly injected into the city of Kansas City. So thank you guys for all voting online. I'll make sure that everybody over 87 and running does some good work with the money.

Shout out to everyone who voted. In all seriousness, Travis and the 87 and running Foundation does a lot of fantastic work. He does. The city of Kansas City.

Even in Cleveland, back in our hometown.

Yeah, absolutely.

I know it.

So shout out, Travis. Let it go.

Let's do it. Nice. Jason on the call at the Pro Bowl.

Hey, if you want to call him back. This past weekend.

Last bit of new news. We got Jason in the booth over there in Orlando for the Pro Bowl, watching the flag football game. That's right. How was it, man? How was it on the other side of the Pro Bowl?

The Pro Bowl was just a blast. It's fun to be down there. You get to see a bunch of the best players in the world being on the same field together, having fun, celebrating the fact that they're all incredible beast.

It's like watching the Avengers team up.

Yeah, for sure.

It's like the heroes of the NFL.

Yeah, and I think that what they're doing now is better than what they did. The football game that they were trying to play was pretty boring to watch.

It was a tough thing to even be a part of, to be honest. It was tough to be a part of.

Here's the problem. Football is only good if people are trying to kill each other. I've figured that out.

You're not lying.

It's It's not a fun sport if you're not trying to kill each other. The intensity and the aggression is what makes it inherently awesome. So when you're not trying to do it, what the fuck are these guys doing playing football for?

That's what it felt like when you were playing in.

That's what I felt like out there. I was like, So we're just out here slapping hands. What are we? And then there'd be one guy trying to kill him.

One guy. There'd always be one guy.

And everybody like, Why is that guy trying to play football? And you're like, Fucking asshole's playing football? The fuck's wrong with this asshole? We're just trying to have fun.

We're all unioned up with this You're the biggest fucking guy.

We're just trying to win a Toyota. You can buy a Toyota.

You got millions of dollars. I want the MVP to get the free car. I'm like, Yeah, well, I won the MVP. You still have to pay for the car.

So anyways, what they're doing The taxes on a Genesis aren't as low as you think they are. So...

Shout out to Genesis.

Yeah, shout out.

Shout out to the Red Rocket, man. Andy Dalton showing me a deep cross.

Shout out to the 60 %. All right, so we got... What they're doing now with flag football, people will try for flag. That's more like...

They'll have fun with it. Let's go have fun. Yeah, I'm not here to kill anybody.

And then you got the skill event. So now it's settled into something that is more appropriate to be in. And you still get to see some highly skilled people do flips in the foam pits.

I feel like they should do dodgeball with footballs.

Dodgeball with footballs. It's not a bad idea with Nerf balls. Yeah.

No, like a full on.

Like the Duke? The Duke? You go with the Duke, that would hurt. Hit you in the face.

How bad do you want to win? Yeah.

It's a lot of guys that can't throw a football, surprisingly. It would expose. I can't throw anymore. It would expose some guys.

I can't throw anymore.

There's some players in the NFL that I've seen trying to throw a football.

You should be able to get this thing all the way back there and just come down.

No, you can do it. You could still get one in.

That elbow is tight.

Then it's going to get tight. Yeah.

It's bad.

But no, the Pro Bowl was awesome. Being up in the booth was great. I got a good bit of advice from Dan Orlowski. Shout out to Dan. I was going to-Nice, Danny O. I went to Disney the following day with the fam. Nice. Dan gave me the shout out, said, Hey, go to the Dawa Bar, Animal Kingdom, to Jungle Juice.

It was perfect.

It tasted great. Perfect level for walking around with a bunch of kids. It's ideal. It really made the safari 10 times better. Did you?

Did you know what was- That rhinos are moving out.

You're a fuck. This is great.

I love it. Shout out to Dan for the secret to the secret to animal Cangle. Yeah, it was the best. Was it cold around the park the last time that I went down to Orlando for the Pro Bowl, it was absolutely freezing.

Yeah, it was like that last year, too. It was cold, but this year was like 80. Nice. It was perfect. Sun was hidden behind clouds. Would you want 80? You don't want sun out with 80. That's a little dice. You get real swampy down there. But no, it was good. It was good temperature. Found out Scott Van Pelt doesn't like roller coasters. What? Svp. I found a lot of times with taller people. Now, you're pretty tall. You like roller coasters.

I'm in. I was not in when we were kids, though. Took me to become a man.

I feel like there's something to do with the hype.

To get on the Millennium.

Dude, the Millennium floor is cream up. The Millennium.

I used to have nightmares about the Millennium.

I think maybe that's why-And you always loved going on it.

It's the best.

It's the best ride still to this day I've ever been on. Millennium Forest, Cedar Point. Send Ohio, Ohio, best roller coaster there is on the planet. I don't care what anybody says.

I mean, it's hard to argue that one.

Well, you can't because I just said I don't care what you said.

I finally went on it. I went on all the roller coasters, and then finally was like, All right, I'm going to do Millennium Forest. This is when I'm in high school or maybe even when I was in college. But when you get to the top of that thing, because it's right on the lake, it's on Lake Erie and San Andusky, Ohio.

It's beautiful. Picturesque.

By the time I got on there, the sun was going down, and everything was shining off of the water, and I felt like the whole thing was just going to fall into the water when I got up there. I about blacked out. It was terrifying.

That's a bad feeling.

Then I overcame my fear, and I didn't black out.

I keep trying to get my kids to just go and do stuff because I feel like that's how I overcame it. Just go do it. They're like, Oh, that wasn't that bad.

Dude, that's how hockey was for me, too.

My kids will not do it. They won't do it.

I didn't ice skate.

I mean, they can't go on anything that extreme right now.

Dad literally just threw me out there. It always works for us. And then pushed a cane at me. He pushed a walker at me, like an old person's walker. That always worked for us. I used it to get up, and then he was like, Do a lap. Yeah. I was like, All right. And then by the time, I was like, I fucking...

And then by the time you were doing the lap, you were feeling great. I tossed that cane over there.

I was flying I'm not going to get around. Couldn't stop, though. It couldn't stop. It doesn't work for my kids, though.

They just act like I'm being a bad dad by forcing them to do stuff they don't want to do. That's part of being a dad.

Yeah. Yeah. I respect it.

Well, not... Kylie doesn't. She said, I have to deal with this. I thought, That'll be fine. Trust me. Trust Kylie. And Kelsey did this to me.

From experience.

I'm just going to spin this little teapot around.

Trust me. Don't trust me.

Don't trust me either. It didn't work. Look at this guy. They don't.

You're not going to trust this guy? Look at him. I'm not trusting this guy.

Who doesn't trust me with a man? All right, here we ask. All righty, we're done talking about the Pro Bowl. We do want to talk about what everybody wants to talk about New Orleans, which is a little bit of food and a little bit of drinks. That's right. As with a lot of the shows where we are remote, we like to do some things that are culturally specific Pacific, and nothing says New Orleans, like alcoholic beverages and weird foods. So we're going to eat some right now. First up, we got fried Alligator and a Hurricane. We've just been sitting here. Gator Nuggets? We do. Travis.

I'll get in You want some gator nuggets? You'll eat Alligator? Yeah.

Travis, you won't eat Alligator? I will eat Alligator. You won't eat Manej? No.

You won't eat Rabbit? No.

You won't eat...

Too gamey.

Duck? Gamey. How do you know? You just... I've had it. So you'll try meats. You just don't like white sauces.

I'm not trying that white sauce. I know that's tartar sauce.

That's tartar sauce? How do you know that's tartar sauce?

I could see it from here.

It's a pickle. It's got pickles in it. That's tartar sauce. Yeah, you're observing. All right.

I'll try the half mayo. I'll try the half mayo.

It's all right. Let's go. I'll try the tarter. I'm not afraid to tarter up.

These are pretty good. They're a little gamey. A little gamey, but-I'm not a lot.

It always tastes so similar like chicken.

It's the fried. They did have a smoked allegator. That Yum Yum sauce isn't as Yum Yum as I thought it was going to be.

I'll try the tarter. It's really Yum Yum.

You got it. Give me some of that. That gator.

This is damn good. Gator don't play that shit. I had smoked elevator at an Eagle's tailgate because it's very traditional cuisine of Philadelphia as well. It tastes a lot like lobster.

They catch those fresh every day?

Right out of Delaware.

Nice. You're going to clean that whole plate, aren't you? No.

I'm done after this because we got more food to review. But I'm going to get to this hurricane.

You got the hurricane. It can't be.

You're drinking like that.

I know what those things do.

Who made this?

Technically, Haley made it.

Haley? Can we get Haley in here?

What's in a hurricane? Where did you get the recipe from, though? I've had these.

Pat O'Brien's mix.

Pat O'Brien's mix. Larry O'Brien's brother.

I thought that was Pat O'Reilly.

Yeah. That, too. Chug, chug, chug. Oh, man. That would have been awesome if he were to just...

I forgot to put the mix in.

What is It's fucking rum. It's just straight rum?

I think red with some red food coloring in it.

Get some grenadine in that thing. Get an accelerator. Get a cherry ice pop. That always goes well with them.

Man, that's really good. I love hurricanes. I'm not going to lie. It feels like the most significant part of that is cherry.

There's cherry in that thing?

I have no idea. What?

Yeah, cherry. It's pretty good. It's pretty good. What else is in there, big guy?

Cherry. There's some orange in there.

Yes, you could see it.

Give me some. Outside of that, I don't know. I don't know what else is. Orange. I'm getting a strong cherry and orange flavor-Cherry orange rum. In an overwhelming amount of Captain Morgan.

Captain Morgan at that?

It's not Captain Morgan. It's not spiced. It's unspiced rum.

The old Brent Selleck. My guy Brent Selleck is out there helping the Eagles defense. I saw you, Brent. Bear cat for life, my ass. You see that? I saw that shit.

Zack Hertz was texting me about it. That guy is fucking...

He's telling him my moves. He's showing off.

Do you think he knows your moves?

Yeah, I'm not going to lie. He was pretty spot on. I watched the video, Brent. That's exactly how I run. I know exactly what you're...

I know what you're telling them.

Going to have a few change-ups and curve-balls and sliders and knuckle curves. I got all types of pitches.

So Fried Alligator, what are you thinking? How are we rating this? One out of 10.

One out of 10?

Honestly, I'm giving that a six. Six.

Nice. All right.

I don't know what that means, but we both were on the same page. Travis, you have not had this hurricane, but you have had hurricanes.

I have had hurricanes.

In the grand scheme of drinks that you would walk up and down a street with, where does a hurricane rank?

I'm a Long Island guy.

You're going to walk up and down a street with a Long Island? Yeah. You drink a Long Island at a clubhouse bar. You don't walk up and down the street with a Long Island like a sailor.

It's just like jungle juice. It's just a bunch of shit No, it's way different.

Long Island is like a classy jungle juice. A classy jungle juice? Yes. Long Island is what you get at a bar. You can't walk around with a Long Island. It's not a walking around drink.

I thought it was a walking around and sip drink.

I don't think so.

All right. Well, then what's a... I mean, all I know are just Bourbon Street drinks.

Bourbon Street drinks? Yeah. I mean, they are... I learned my lesson. No synonymous with walking around with them. I don't do walk around drinks anymore, Jason. Remember that time I got an open container in college? Did I ever tell that story on here? No. Please. I just turned 21. I just turned 21, and I went to a house party in Cincinnati, and the cops come to tell us to shut the fuck up. And the cop walks through the door and everybody starts running because there's a bunch of under 8. I was barely over 21. Everybody else is under 21. So they start skedaddling, and I'm like, I'm good. I'm good, baby. I'm drinking a beer in front of the cop. He's like, Do you live here? I said, I'm 21. He said, I did not ask that. I said, All right. He's like, Do you live here? I said, No. He said, I suggest you get the fuck out of here. I'm like, All right. Yes, sir. We start walking to another house. We're four blocks away. I am not exaggerating. We are maybe three houses before I'm in that front door. I reach into the case, take a can of beer out, crack it.

Whoop, whoop. Guy pulls up, rolls his window down, same cop. Well, well, well. If it isn't Mr. 21, He gave me a ticket so fast. He's like, If you know this, you're not allowed to have an open container. And he left one of his deputies behind to give me the ticket. Oh, yeah. And the deputy is like, Yeah, you can drink the whole thing. I don't care. He's making me do this. I was like, Yeah, I deserve it.

That's what happens for sure. That's hilarious.

All right, that's enough food and drink for right now. Let's toss it to Payton and Eli. I'm sure they'll be able to give us their ideas of where Hurricane and Fried Alligator rank and their-Oh, yeah, they're definitely pros. Expertise with New Orleans.

Ole Miss.

Ole Miss.

New Orleans.

Where is Ole Miss? I think it's in Mississippi. Well, I know it's in Mississippi. I didn'tOxford. Thank you.

It's in Oxford, Mississippi, Jason.

Before we keep going with the show, it's time for Travis to get out of here because he can't be here for this next segment. Joining me now is our good friend, Intern Brandon.

Our good friend.

We've only got one game this weekend. What game parlays are we going to build this week?

I am looking at Pat Mahomes' 2 plus passing touchstones.

I like that. I think with the game on the line, the Chiefs will go to Pat. I think they're going to run some of that shit at the goal line again. We're going to see some corn dog we've never seen before. They're going to leave the ball in Pat's hand.

I like that. Then Jalen Hertz, anytime TD score, and that is rushing.

I think that could be a push-push. It could be maybe some quarterback design runs.

Yeah. And I know this is You have your specialist in this, coin toss.

Tails never fails.

Those are our three picks. Pat Mahomes, over two touch downs. Jalen Hertz, anytime TD scorer and tales.

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All right, I think it's time to bring on our guest. This has been long, long waiting. Oh, yeah. We're happy as hell to get you. Jason, why don't you do the honors and give them the intro?

You got a trip. From Newman High School, New Orleans, Louisiana. A combined 18 Pro Bowl, four Super Bowl, three Super Bowl RZPs, two Walter Payton Man of the Years, and one of them is still undefeated in the Pro Bowl. Please welcome Payton and Eli Manning.

There we go.

I like that, Jason. We're just going to bring you with us wherever we go. Give us that.

Dude, I will gladly be your guy's permanent hype man.

I think down here, he actually comes with a band. I think it's a whole thing.

I want to get one. Do you guys know a good band that can be- Is Newman High School got a good margin band or what?

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, solid. Really solid.

Solid.

I could think of a few others. It might be a little better. We can start with Newman.

Let's start off with the Pro Bowl, man. You guys went head to head down at the Pro Bowl. Yeah. Yeah, Eli.

You got the three-peat.

Yeah, you got the three-peat, dog.

How does it feel? Payton's officially on the hot seat, I think, as coach. I saw some breaking news, headlines, and then on social media. Adam Sheffer. Yeah. If he does get fired, I'll probably hire him as my special team's coach. Team or three-quarterback coach or waterboy or something.

I mean, I And the problem is, just to be honest, is that there's a lot of Pro Bowlers every year that are starters that just happen to be on the Chiefs, but they're not eligible to play in the Pro Bowl because they're in the Super Bowl.

I'd be a game changer in that game for Payton. You know I would.

Travis, I blame you and Patrick. How's that?

The Chief's fault.

Chief's fault, yeah. Chief's resentment.

Eli, I do got to ask, was that your idea with Turpen? Whose idea was that on defense, just blitz Turpen every single snap. I thought that was genius.

Yeah. The special teamers, they have rules around we want the offensive guys playing offense, defensive guys playing defense. You We don't have any special teams. There's no kickoff or turns or punts, so they can freelance. You can use them however. So I said, Hey, I told Larry Foote, I said, Turban's your special You're a special blitz guy. He's fast. He can run. He had a couple of sacs. He's not going to get tired. The first series, we were rushing some outside linebackers. They were rushing in there because they don't want to drop. These guys are professional rushing They're not drop guys, coverage guys, but then Burrow is running right by them. So Turban got the call pretty quickly.

I loved it. Payne, we also had your son Marshall out there, maybe throwing better than all the quarterback That's there. I mean, this was a... I think we got a clip here.

Does every... Like, Manning get a chance to throw the pill? Are they just like, it's just in them to be able to huck it or what?

Well, it's like I told Eli, we were not raised to be kickers, we were raised to be quarterbacks. That commercial, by the way. That's all we know. Can't outrun anybody, certainly can't kick. But yeah, look, that's why I coach the Pro Bowl, Travis. My son Marshall for the past three years gets to warm up. Joe Burrow, the best quarterback in the NFL. I don't know how you beat that. He's playing catch with Jamal Chase and Pat and Go with Justin Jefferson. So what a cool It was a moment for him.

The kid in me is so jealous of Marshall, man. That is such a cool opportunity for him to go out there and have some fun with the gang. I'm sure he's absolutely living it up, man.

No doubt. He loved it. Like I said, I'm not happy about losing Eli. I feel like if it has to be a brothers thing, coaching the Pro Bowl, and I cost Eli his job as well. There's only one other set of brothers that I know of that has an NFC AFC, AFC Connection. Jason seems eligible. Travis, I'd keep playing as long as you can, but I feel like when that time comes, I think my job is definitely a jeopardy if the Kelsies want to take over the Pro Bowl.

Tell you what, I can put a mean run game in that flag football outfit.

It'd be lateral central if I ever got the chance to coach that thing up.

Speaking of brothers, we're tied right now with Super Bowl victories. Kelsies and Mannings, four a piece. Does that mean the Mannings are officially pulling for the Eagles?

I don't know for me to pull for the Eagles, being in the vision, but It's a little bit easier this year with Saquon being there and having him be a teammate.

I think these situations, you root for players, you root for coaches that you know. Obviously, a lot of connections, Travis, rooting for you to win a Super Bowl, rooting for Steve Bangle and Andy Reid and all the guys.

Thanks.

But it's a little more difficult with the Eagles, but with Saquon there, you want all those guys to experience winning a championship. Obviously, Travis, you've done it many times, and to go for a three-peat would be an unbelievable, but you know that feeling, and you never get tired of it. So do you, Jason? You know that feeling of winning a championship, and you want all your pals that you've met or to have that feeling at least one time.

My question would be, Jason, would be, if we're even really with the amount of rings, I know certain teams, certain owners, when they win, they give rings to alumni who are just integral and creating the culture of the team. I can't think of a guy more significant in creating that tough run the ball, tough offensive line and culture than you. If the If the Eagles happen to win, do you think you would get a ring? Do you think you deserve a ring? Let's just settle it right here, because if that's the case, you're not out of scrooze in this competition. I'm getting a ring out of this game, nor are you. I mean, the Broncos at least made the playoff. The Giants were eliminated after week eight. You don't get a ring to make the playoff.

You don't get a ring.

I will gladly decline any charitable ring that they're going to be trying to give out to me because I don't deserve any of it. But I did lose my first Super Bowl ring in Nevada, Chilly. I will take another one of those if they want to just print that one out again. I can take that one again.

I like it.

You were just talking about the big field goal kick you guys got coming up here. Gronk has missed it two years in a row, I believe. Are we feeling confident we can at least get one up and over?

Jason, actually, we're in our We watched some film with Gronk. Gronk drove down from Tampa and brought film of his first two kicks, and we were learning what not to do. Gronk had his whole family out there, the first kick. He had a full uniform on. He had a helmet. It was windy that day in Arizona. By the way, I think there's something about Gronk missing when the Chiefs are in the Super Bowl. That seems to be the theme. So hopefully, that doesn't apply to us. Eli pulled a quad in practice I don't know if he put that out of the injury report, if that should change the odds. But I have a new respect for kickers. I've been so sore every time I practice. I really don't know why it goes in and why it doesn't go in. There's no pattern to it. But I haven't pulled a quad. I'm healthy going into Sunday's Kick of Destiny 3, and I think I'm going to make it.

I like it.

I love the confidence. I'm healthy now. This is about six weeks ago. I did pull a quad You've been practicing for six weeks? Six weeks, yeah. I started six weeks ago, day one.

I mean, it's lots on the line. I get it.

He's just getting healthy, though. He's been on the sideline for a little bit.

Yeah, no stretch, no nothing. I was just like, I'll just kick it at 25 yarder. I was like, Put it at 25. I kicked one, it went in. I kicked the next one, and it went four yards with a pulled quad, and I lived. Oh, my.

I kicked on Monday this week.

It felt good. I didn't get to the full 25 yards, but I just kicked about a 20 yarder, and I think I'll be ready for Sunday. The trainer will get you that extra. They said they could give me a tourneral shot now, that I'm not a player anymore.

I'm taking both of you guys for the end of the door.

This guy's committed.

Full throttle. I'm going game day mode, full warmup, full Super T shot, get everything.

I cannot wait to see this, man. Jason actually had a similar experience experience where he got to respect the kickers a little bit as well, trying to kick a field goal on college game day in front of Pat McAfee, man. It was classic.

I was on a slant. I was on a slight angle in boots.

Yeah. Well, you chose to wear the boots.

No, that was part of the sponsorship I had. Shout out to Timberland. Timberland.

Great job, Timberland.

We are down in the Super Bowl. We're in New Orleans, your hometown.

Oh, yeah.

Couple of Super Bowl questions. You guys have both worked with Jalen Hertz and Patrick Holmes, who have both attended Manning Passing Academy as high schoolers. Did you guys both know that they would have the potential to play in the Super Bowl one day?

Jason, both those guys actually came to the camp as college players, as counselors. It's a high school football camp that we have college players come and serve as counselors. And in return, Eli and I will spend time with them in between high school practices on their NFL aspirations. Jalen came twice, and you definitely just saw what a natural leader he was. Quiet confidence, just the way he carries himself. You could see why people want to follow him. Then Mahomes, his swagger just jumps out. I remember it was raining one night, and we were like, Hey, I'm not sure we want to throw tonight. There's people out there watching.

Oh, man, I'll rip it right now.

Jesus.

He doesn't flinch, he doesn't care.

I'll swing it in anything.

That's exactly what he said. To me, that's just pretty telling. As you know, Travis, when you're in college and people are around watching, I don't want to throw today. Maybe there's some coach up there, some GM that happens to have a kid at the camp. Maybe they're watching, or maybe this hurts my country. It was just like, No, I'll go out there and throw it. Those are the two things I took away from having both those guys at the camp. You see that has transferred to their NFL careers. I'm proud of both of them. They've been fun to watch. I think that's why it'll be a great quarterback matchup on Super Bowl Sunday.

Have you talked to either of these guys before the big game yet?

I texted both of them after the NFC and AFC Championship, congratulating them, wishing them luck. Both of them got back to me. I stayed in touch with a lot of the quarterbacks that have come through the camp. I think this past year, Jason, we had 26 of the 32 starting NFL quarterbacks were counselors at the Manning Passing Academy. So it's quite the So Eli and I keep up with them. Obviously, talk to a lot of them, getting ready for a Manning-Cast game, but just wish them luck throughout their careers. And so I've kept up with Patrick and Jalen throughout their careers. Jalen reached out a couple of years ago about the routine of the Super Bowl, and I gave him my tips and pointers. He knows that routine now. Mahomes gets his mail sent to the Super Bowl every year because he knows he's going to beat it. Travis Chris does as well. They don't have to ask me too many questions anymore about the Super Bowl routine.

You always got the best advice, Big guy. I remember getting my first shot at SNL and getting the text from you to just enjoy the ride, man. I appreciated that. That made me feel so much more at home knowing that you believed in me to have fun and to do it the right way. So I appreciate that. But Eli, you actually had somebody come up to you at the Pro Bowl and tell you that he was actually in the Manning camp. Yeah. Wide receiver from Atlanta, right?

Yeah. Hodge. Hodge. There it is. He came up and said he was a camper. He was a camper. His junior year, he was a quarterback, and he came to the camp. That's crazy. Obviously, we told him, I think you should try receiver. We saw right there. It's like, we just seven on seven. He was playing receiver some, made some plays, and now he's making the Pro Bowl. It's a special team guy, but he's a receiver also in the NFL. And so this is a great story. So we've had a couple of guys, a couple of guys, a couple of quarterbacks in the NFL also. I think Russell Wilson was a camper. Not as a counselor, He was a camper in high school.

The new coach of the Jaguars, Liam Cohen, was a camper.

Liam Cohen.

How about that? Nice..

That's how old we are. We got coaches. We got coaches that were campers now.

That's crazy, man. You guys have been doing it for a while, man. Me and Hodge have a similar story. I was actually recruited at Tennessee. David Cuckliff was working me out, thought I had some potential to be a football player, not to be a quarterback. So Tennessee never off to me. Yeah, eventually made the transition over.

Travis would have been a camper. You would have sped his career up quite a bit, getting him away from the quarterback position.

Exactly. No, that's awesome stuff you guys do with the young guys, man, and always paving the way for the future, man. That's always good stuff.

Eli, you were talking about your former teammate, Saquon Barkley. When we had Saquon on the show, we do a lot of the 'welcome to your NFL' moments. His 'welcome to the NFL' moment was when, or at least he said, you shoved grass in his mouth. Yeah. Is this a confirmed story?

Yeah, this is a confirmed story. Every year before the first preseason game, a lot of these years, the starters aren't playing much. They're really going over a little bit that first game, what the routine is before the first preseason game. How do we line up? How do we stretch? How do you run out of the tunnel? All the pat and go. We're doing those things. I'm sitting on the sideline a long time, and I always walk up to a few of the rookies, and I'm holding my mouth and I'm going, Man, I got to get my mouth, my teeth been bothering me. I got to get my wisdom teeth pulled after the game. They're asking questions. I ask them if they have or had their wisdom teeth pulled, whether to say yes or no. I say, Can I see? Can I either see your wisdom teeth or do you still have holes in your mouth? When they open up and look up and open their mouth, I got a big chunk or clump of grass and dirt in my hand, and I just throw it in there. I I've got three or four guys on that first practice.

I got a few coaches.

One time, the best...

Sean O'Hare and I were trying to get a rookie, and Amani Tumer came over. Amani is in his ninth year, and he just jumped in the conversation. We're not talking to him. We're not trying to... And he opened up and O'Hara was a couple of grass in his mouth.

That's so bad.

We weren't trying to get you.

You offered up this I have no information. I'm not going to resist.

You volunteered yourself.

Yeah, that's so good, man. That's amazing.

Since we're on the Super Bowl, do you guys, either of you, have a welcome to the Super Bowl moment?

I think it was my ninth year playing in it for the first year. And Just down in Miami, it was raining that year. It was the only Super Bowl that it really had rained. But I think Billy Joel saying the National Anthem, I think there's something about being on the sideline when that national anthem plays, watching it all those years as a kid. Travis, my first Super Bowl as a kid, we're in New Orleans, obviously. I saw the... Who's that? I saw Montana beat the Broncos in the '89, '90 season, whatever that was. That was in New Orleans. Actually was in college, came back and saw the packers beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. There obviously been some great ones there in New Orleans. There'll be another great with your Chiefs and the Eagles. But that National Anthem, I still get emotional watching it as a fan, as an ex-player sitting at home. But I think we were on the sidelines, knowing this game's about to happen. That's something that jumped out to me, that I'm really here and I'm really playing in a Super Bowl. It was a pretty cool moment.

You fired me up just thinking, just talking about it, man.

A hundred %.

You had the worst start to a Super Bowl with Hester just running back the open and kicking. It was an emotional moment. It was an emotional moment that ended pretty quickly with Hester and Joe.

We got to lock in, boys. We got to lock in. That's too good. Eli, you got one for us?

Yeah, I mean, I think it's just for me, it was just trying to get that first completion. I just remember you're just nervous, a new nerve. And you played a whole season, you played playoff games, you played the NFC Championship. All of a sudden, it's like a Super Bowl. Just all the all the lights and the national anthem and everything going on. And I just remember the coach was going through some of the plays, and I was just like, Coach, I'm a little nervous. I need a hand off the first play. I don't want to... I don't know. I just got to breathe a little bit. So we got a hand off, and I got my first completion, next play, and had a nice 10 play, long drive, got a field goal, and then it was back to normal. But it's definitely a A different intensity, and just two weeks to think about it, and there's so much coming on on this game and what it means to your team, your fans, your family, so many people coming in town for it. The heart's pumping a little bit harder that first series that was Super Bowl for sure.

100 %. I still don't remember the first half of the one that I was in. I have no idea. I remember we started the game down 10, in my I'm just like, How did this happen? Where did this... We all have a hole. I'm eating more now than ever.

Travis, you've been running the wrong place for the entire half.

I'm locked in, Coach. I got it.

I got it. I got to ask you guys as a center. Payton, you brought up Sean O'Hare. So I'm going to come back to you, Eli, because I do know Sean O'Hare very well. I also know Jeff Saturday very well. There is a moment on the sideline between you and Jeff.

Legendary.

I think everyone knows which moment I'm talking It's one of my favorite interactions of a quarterback center of all time. Just two of them. How quickly did you realize you were miced up? The whole time? Or it was just like mid-fury of just like, I'm tired of this guy bitching. I need to... Go ahead.

When you're miced up, to me, the sooner you can forget about it, the better, right? For sure. I always knew I was miced up in pregame warmups because you put your pads on, you can see the tape over the mic. You're just thinking about it, and hopefully once the game goes. But we had run the ball all the way down there. Jason had a good run game. We were playing a Monday night game against the Rams, ran it down there, and the Rams in the side of the five-yard line basically said, Okay, enough is enough. They loaded the box. We had a run play called first down and second down. They were blitzing everybody. We audibled, throw, throw, incomplete. Now it's third and goal, throw again. So naturally, Jeff and the offensive line, just like all of you, are not happy. Why do you run it to get down there? And now we're going to throw it. So we sit on our separate sides of the bench, but I can hear him talking. I can hear them, Why are we throwing it? Just run the rock, run the rock. I let it breathe He let it breathe, and finally, I just snapped.

I go down there, and I'm all fired up. Then I realized, Travis, I am in enemy territory. The entire office of the line ready to support their center and come right to me. I'm like, Hey, let me get back off of this. But I'll tell you a good Super Bowl story about Jeff Saturday, real quick. Every Thursday during our entire career in Indianapolis, Jeff and I played together forever. We always did wet ball drills, where we're taking snaps before practice, and the equipment guy is spraying the water bottle on the football, creating the environment. Jeff would get so mad, Travis, because he'd say, Payton, we're playing in the RCA dome this week. There's no chance of rain. I'm like, You never know. There could be a link. You never know. It's a ritual at this point. You're going to prepare. Anyway, we do that for eight years, right? Every Thursday, no matter what, we get to the Super Bowl, it's raining like just cats and dogs, and we have zero fumbled snaps. The bears have three fumbled snaps. And I say that's why we've been doing the wet ball snap drill all these years. Those little things pay off in the Super Bowl.

They pay off. I love it. When you're a dome team, baby, that's good shit right there.

Eli, do you have any of those stories with Sean?

Yeah.

Are any of your centers?

Well, I had wet ball drill with Sean every single day.

Every day? He was a spreader.

He He went so badly.

It wasn't rain, it was just swamp ass, huh? Yeah.

This is before you're in shotgun every play. We're under center, eye formation, and we're under center on first and second down every series, even third down, sometimes we were under center and drop him back and throwing the ball. I was getting a wet ball. I made him change his pants at halftime, which is a- I've had to do that, unfortunately, a couple of times.

That's crazy.

That's not easy. They basically have to cut the pants off because you got your shoes are spat.

You can just take off your shoes. You're taped up.

You're taped up. Yeah, everything else. He's on his back, just laying there, and people are ripping him off. It's not that hard to get the pants on, but putting dry So to have wide pants on a wet body is not an easy feat, especially open seats. So he was not happy about that. He was ready for November to hit the cooler weather. I didn't make him change the pants, but we didn't have any fumbled snaps just because of all the wet ball drill every single time.

Just standard wet ball drill.

So good. All right, let's get off the centers and get on some tight ends, baby. You guys both played with some great ones. Jeremy Shaki, my guy Dallas Clark. Absolute legends, man. I remember coming in and wanting to be like Shaki. He was such an energy. He looked like a force to be reckoned with every single time he played the game. And Dallas Clark, I mean, his fearlessness over the middle, Payton. I don't know how many times I saw you guys throw a Bender in cover two, and he just went up there and just got smoked for the team. He's just no gloves on, just going up, just running through a wall for a guy.

Shaki's bender is a little bit different than Dallas. Shaki, when you have a bender, that word means something different to Shaki.

I had to ask, though, what do you think it is about tight-end and quarterback-like relationship that really gets the best out of the offense?

To me, look, they're closer to the quarterback then the Z or the X of the slot. They're right there, just three players away, guard, tackle, tight in. They're one of the last guys that you almost break the huddle with, I feel like, Travis. You could always... I see Travis and Patrick talking as they're breaking the huddle. You can get the last word in, Hey, if they blitz, break hot. Hey, look, watch out for cover two man. Give the guy a little stick to the outside before you bend it. So I think just that little extra conversation, maybe that closer proximity creates that tight-end quarterback bond. And I always felt like I knew where Dallas was going to be. Look, what Patrick and Travis have created is a It's a whole different level, but it's just a real comfort zone. I love Dallas. Like you said, he was fearless across the middle. We were down there with Kittle. He was talking about tight-end U.

Oh, it's so much fun.

Almost said how Dallas still comes back and works it. It's a special connection when you have a quarterback and tight in that have that view from each other. There's a confidence there, and I felt that way with Dallas, and obviously, you and Patrick have had that forever.

I think the other thing with the tight ends and quarterback, it's harder for a team to double a tight end. You might have a receiver on the outside, Hey, we got to take away this receiver. We're going to play two man or we're going to double him in different ways or play certain zones to take him away. Where some of your staple plays on first and second down, you're going to have a matchup in the offensive favor of a tight end on a linebacker, possibly, where, Hey, we can run a stick route. We can get a completion And so I think you just have a lot of your high percentage completion plays or the tight-in is the number one read. And if they do take him away or they have bad leverage, you should have one on one with your receivers and get through your progression. But I just think some of your staples and your comfort plays, it starts with the tight end being that first read.

Nice. We can all confirm that you got to get that bond off the field and have some beers. How many times you go on a bender with Shaki?

I'm not any dangerous. No benders with Shaki, but definitely, we hit the town in New York City a few times those first couple of years. He showed me some spots. I definitely haven't been to since. Let's say that. I love him, man.

Shout out to Shaki, baby.

I got to ask this. I don't know if he's going to, but what would you guys... I mean, you guys know that Travis is known for not running the route on the page. I'd assume. How would you guys have liked playing with a tight-end that freelance like that? Would you have been in favor of that?

I'm not running the wrong route. I'm running what the quarterback wants me to run. It might not be what's on paper.

He might not even know he wants you to run it.

Exactly.

See, I would agree with Travis. I feel like Travis keeps the offensive coordinator from being one play away. If you have outside leverage and you have an out route, I see Travis just curl it in, and Mahomes sees that, and he throws it to him as opposed to saying, Man, I wish we would have had the inside curl route on that play. So he's a coordinator's best friend. And look, as long as the quarterback knows that he might do that, I think that makes it okay. If all of a sudden you're just going to surprise the quarterback and just make stuff up, that's one thing. But it doesn't look like to me, Travis has ever surprised Patrick out there. He's just finding those soft spots in the zone. Like I said, the coordinator looks like a genius. Wow, what an unbelievable quick call created the perfect location for Travis to be open. Meanwhile, Travis should have co-office of coordinator as part of his title.

Can you believe they called a hook He can ladder play right there?

Exactly. Eli, we talked about it. Exactly. You already told me you chewed me out if I turned inside on a wide stick. I would not No. No.

You wouldn't have thrown it?

Absolutely. Absolutely. I disagree with Eli. I see teams doubling you all the time. They just don't do it very well. They don't really take you away. They still somehow leave you open. I don't really know why or how they do that, but you beat the double teams. Like I said, they're doubling you. That means somebody else has got to be single. That's a good thing.

We'll get to our last segment here. It's called We Got to Ask, But You Don't Have to Answer. You guys can to fuck off if you guys don't want to answer these, but it's always fun, man. We close all our convos with this segment, and I'll get to the first one. Who got into the most trouble growing up? And you guys can even throw Cooper into this.

Yeah, definitely Coup.

He's very strange.

The one brother that's not able to defend himself is immediately there.

Coup set the tone. We do maybe to do the same things without getting caught. Coup was the one that got caught. Cooper was the one that got caught. It's what Eli and I could learn from there.

There's something about them older brothers not knowing how to not get caught.

You got to flank. You got to learn the art of flanking.

I got suspended every freaking year of elementary school for getting in a fight. Travis got into a fight and then went to the principal's office and got tickets to the Cavs game because everybody loved him so much.

That's because I was such a good artist, Jason. I won a contest. That was besides the fact. But it was cool seeing Cooper up at the Super Bowl opening night last night. Was he in the Marching Band? Grown up, he wore that outfit pretty goddamn good.

Absolutely not. I don't know where he got that costume. Zero banned experience, I can probably. That's good.

He likes the harmonica, though. If you give him the opportunity- Is he harmonica?

I would love to hear that.

That's a lost talent. That's a lost talent right there.

Can he bend the notes? Can he do like blues harmonica? Or is he straight? No. Okay.

You got our band geek all fired up over here.

I'd say he's new to it. It's all new.

He's like a Bob Dylan. Just Yeah. Okay, I got you. Travis Raleigh.

All right.

Your pops. Archie was also a quarterback in the NFL for 13 years. What advice did he give both of you guys?

Slides. Slides.

Slides.

He also told us, We're not very fast, so don't run.

He could run.

He had the ability.

He said, Don't do that. You all are not fast. When you get out there, get down, don't take hits. We learned that the hard way. It only takes one hit in the NFL, and you're like, Yeah, I should have listened to dad. He's definitely right.

I'm going to go back. Yeah, definitely slide.

Have fun. That was the last thing he used to text us, or if we talk to him the night before the game is, Hey, don't forget to have fun out there, which I think is a good reminder, especially in a game like this, right? You work so hard. Have fun. Also just off the field, be sure you have a great relationship and respect with your equipment manager, the video director, the people behind the scenes that you guys know that don't get nearly enough credit or attention on a television broadcast, but are integral to the culture of a team. Just little things like that. It was nice having a guy who played in the NFL that could tell you about little things like that.

Did you guys have any pressure to live up to, I guess, what Archie did? Because Travis and I, we didn't have a lot to live up with Ed Kelsi. I'm just letting you know. There was a bar was very low for Ed Kelsi.

Don't you dare do that to me, Ed.

Well, for football. Yeah, an athlete bar. Dad bar set high for Ed Kelsi.

Extremely high, yeah.

You have to My dad didn't certainly try to create an environment where he was just trying to raise kids. He wasn't trying to raise NFL quarterbacks. Maybe that's why it ended up happening because he encouraged us to play sports because of the valuable lessons that sports teaches. But never once did we talk about, This is what you have to do if you want to play in the NFL. It was, Hey, work hard to be the starting quarterback on the JV. After that, maybe see if you can start on the varsity the next year. His rule, Jason and Travis, was if we wanted his help, we had to go and ask him, Hey, dad, will you come to the school on Sunday afternoon and throw with our receivers? It wasn't him going, Hey, we're going to run two miles today. I think it was a healthy approach because we wanted his help because he played the game. I think that was a good approach that he took, and it made it fun growing up and never felt like pressure.

Yeah, there was definitely more pressure me trying to follow in Payton's footsteps. He was five years older than me. I go in the high school. He set every record. I'm going into college. He was just up for the high as minute. He was the first pick in the NFL draft. It's like, Jeez, Louise, you feel like... I didn't have to do the best at everything that I enter into, follow your steps. But he was a great big brother as I got older. He definitely picked on me and gave me wedgies and noogies and all those things, which I think helped me. It toughened me up and got me prepared for the NFL. But he always In college, he would come back and teach me the things he was learning in college. Hey, we're doing this on the three-step drop. Hey, this is some of the drills we're doing in college. You should be doing these now. Get a head start on these things. So He did look out for me all the time and probably put more pressure on me to do some of these drills than my dad did.

You guys got the formula. You guys got it figured out. Arch Manning is having an unbelievable start to his college career. But also, I remember I saw you guys playing knockout on TV when I was a kid, and I was like, I'm brother and right, because that's exactly how me and Jason played knockout growing up. Let's keep this thing moving, though. Who has the most Buns career stat? Eli with the most career fumbles or Payton with the most interceptions by a rookie?

I guess mine sounds worse. It's over a career. His is just. I would agree. I would agree.

It's because of Sean's sweeny answer. We already figured this out.

God damn it, O'Hare. Sean.

Although my interception record, the 17 games, I thought for sure it just would get broken.

I mean, I'm not even close to it. I'm disappointed.

And they're throwing more now than you were throwing.

More games are throwing more and less interceptions.

Something's not right.

They got to get to 10 in the first three games. If they can get to 10 in first three games.

You got to get off to a good start. Yeah, you did.

That's insane.

You guys have a new documentary coming out, Razor's Edge on Vice, Omaha's forthcoming Follow Doc on Coach Calipari. That's awesome. Arkansas's man's basketball team. What can you guys tell us about the doc?

It's just a cool behind the scenes. Coach Cal has done it a long time and obviously making the big move to Arkansas. Just wanted to document his first season. It's a changing landscape with NIL. Coach Cal was known for just coaching freshmen, the one and done. Now, he's changed his approach where he wants older players. He doesn't that many players. He's like, If I'm going to pay these guys, I'm going to have a limited amount of players and play them all. Just to take people behind the scenes of what it's like to be a SEC head basketball coach. He went back to Kentucky two nights ago and won, which was incredible because of all that he accomplished there, winning a national championship. Some fans were clapping when he came back. Some fans were booing. They hadn't gotten over it, but he went in there and won. Look, all these behind-the-scenes shows, just It gave the audience a different view. So we're excited about it. Razor's Edge coming out on vice.

That's awesome, man. I'm so intrigued in that. I'm definitely going to be dialed in. Fuck, yeah. If you were both playing college football today, who has the higher N-I-L deals?

You got to go with Payton again. The guy, he's a great spokesman. He's just…

He could sell a product or what?

Yeah. I would I wouldn't have accepted any of it. I would have given it all to my sinners and my tyrants.

There we go.

You can just lie to a camera like that.

Oh, my gosh.

That's so good.

How has the NIO stuff changed the landscape? Because you guys both have kids coming up. The documentary with Calipari, I'm sure, touches on the NIO. What are your guys' thoughts on NIO just in general?

Yeah, I don't know. It's probably a better question for Travis. Travis, are you seeing any change in the demeanor of college players coming to the NFL? Because to me, that's the biggest thing that I was worried about. Are guys coming in as hungry to try to make the team, to try to obviously win a championship, hopefully, but make some money as well. Are you seeing that, Travis? It probably just depends on the individual.

I think it has a lot to do with the culture in KC. I haven't seen that. Our number one pick, Xavier worthy, has been nothing but the worker on the team. He just spent every single day grinding it out, trying to figure out ways to implement himself in the offense more and get better at the things that Coach Reid asked him to do. So I definitely haven't seen it in the rookies we've got, at least. But yeah, Who knows?

To me, that's the thing that I want to keep, is keep guys coming in hungry and trying to accomplish new goals and obviously help teams win. So as long as we got that going, I'm okay.

I'm with you. Love it. Nice. Well, Last question. Hypothetically, if there had been an official Manning Bowl, who would have won?

I'll answer.

He don't want to say it. He's too nice. In the NFL games, I have not beaten him in a real game. Now, flag football, Pro Bowl, I got that mastered, but I'm 0 for 3 anytime we faced him in a real game. But That's just the way it went those years. I guess it would have been... I don't know if it would have been fun to play you in a Super Bowl or not. I mean, obviously, you all did it.

It's got to be all- I can tell you right now, it was not fun at all, Eli.

It was fucking terrible.

The one thing I had a pretty good time.

I don't know.

Yeah, you enjoyed yourself, I'm sure. No hypothetical on this end, guys. I mean, what's hypothetical? Hip hop.

Hey, Travis Jason, the one thing Eli has no clue and no understanding, and believe me, he's proud of it, is what it's like to lose a Super Bowl. It's a horrible feeling. Obviously, winning is as great as you think it is, and losing is as bad as you think it is. I'm glad that it didn't happen because I know that was tough on you two, tough on your family. Eli and I played three times in the regular season. My parents were an absolute wreck just in a regular season game. Now you take that to the Super Bowl and knowing Obviously, the attention a quarterback is going to get in a Super Bowl, win or lose, knowing that one had to win and one had to lose. I probably wouldn't wish that on my family. I'm probably glad that it didn't happen. I think the way you all handle that several years ago and the way your family handled it was first class. I know that was not easy.

Yeah, well, I mean, I had lost it. I had lost one. I hear what you're saying, paid. I had lost a Super Bowl going into the game that we had, so I just had to make sure that Jason felt That was just being a good brother. You guys know about being good brothers.

Did you feel bad going out that night and celebrating? Just knowing that your brother is crying in his hotel room and you were just fine just going out there and just- Well, Why don't you have a few beers, you forget about everything.

I wasn't crying. I was pulling a Jeremy Shaki is what I was doing. Eli, you brought up Spags. Eagles are playing, one of the best defense coordinators in the history of the NFL at this point, it feels like. What would you do? What would your game plan be going up against that? Blitz packaging and everything that he can throw at you. What would your game plan be?

Don't give it away.

Yeah, not that I give away. Spags is the best. We saw it. It's the first time I've ever seen it in our first Super Bowl going against the Patriots, where every time he had a strong side blitz and braided made a call, I'm going to pick it up, he had the defense reverse it and just make a call, and all of a sudden it came from the weak side. And getting them to throw hot, it's getting them really just causing some issues saying, Hey, I can't be right with my protections. They're flip-flopping it sometimes. You just see it unbelievable. Last week's game, the last play, the fourth down against the Bills, was an empty formation of a 4 by 1. He brings a will corner blitz on the biggest play of the game and gets He has a free runner going. So that's his mentality. He wants the blitz, but it's not just, Hey, we're bringing blitz zero. It's going to be some exotic blitz, some blitz. He has it done all game long. All game long, he's not showing this blitz. When do you bring it? Fourth and five on the last drive in the most critical moment of the game.

And so that's what makes him hard to prepare for is that, Hey, how do I prepare for something I haven't seen yet or something they haven't done this year yet that he's not going to draw up for these critical critical moments. Then when you think he is on a blitz, he fakes the blitz and going back to coverage.

Just when you think he got him.

He's just a mastermind. He's a great leader. He's a great human being. This is one of the great people, and so happy for him, all his success. I think, Travis, you know how lucky you are to have him on that defensive side, just being the leader over there.

One of my favorite coaches of all time, baby. I'm right there with you, Well, fellows, thank you guys for your time, man. The Mannings have came through, man. One good brother to another, man. We love you guys. Thank you guys for leading the way, doing things the right way, and always lending a helping hand, man. We love you guys, man.

Best of luck in the field goal kicks.

I can't wait to see this field goal kick.

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All right, Jason, dive in. Well, there's two spoons. I think there's two for your right and left hand.

Are you not going to eat any gumbo?

I'm not eating that, no.

What gumbo is this? Chicken and sausage. Chicken and sausage.

Another reason why I'm not eating it, right there.

You don't like chicken and sausage?

I'm not a sausage guy.

You're not a… Oh, that's right. Even when it's cut up, I thought that was just a phallic thing.

No, it's just a whole like... The way you ate that was disgusting.

That's fucking delicious.

Oh my God, that sound.

It's so good.

What the fuck was that like slurp?

I could use a little hot sauce.

Who eats like that?

Somebody wearing a white T-shirt eating gumbo. I'm going to make sure you don't get any extra juice.

I mean, you didn't hesitate one second. You went back for You went back for like...

It's delicious. It's chicken and sausage in soup form with rice. I'm not going to lie, I don't even know how to fucking attack this. I've never had a Crawfish outside of like, What do you mean?

I got a crack that fucking open.

Am I eating the belly?

I got Greg. He's not asking. Locals, help him. Pop the tail off.

The tail? Pop the tail off? The fuck you mean other way? That's his tail.

There it is. Thank you.

There it is. Of the tail or the body? Tail. So I'm only eating the tail. Optional to suck the head. Optional to suck the head. I'm going to have to have optional to suck that motherfucker's head. Optional to suck the head? I'm going to suck that motherfucker's head if it's optional. How do I get this in?

All right, man.

I have no idea. I'm not even getting any fucking meat out of this thing.

You've never ate a shrimp before?

I'll tell you what, it's a bad idea to eat fucking Crawfish on your goddamn lap in a white T-shirt. This is a fucking awful desire.

Dude, you look great.

I'm struggling.

You got to put your superhero mask on. That's why.

Am I fucking doing this right? Is somebody telling me how to do this?

100% you are. You're getting it. There you go. See, you did it.

It tastes great. But I'm feeling the same thing I feel towards crab, which is just like, it's a lot of work for not that much meat. This is better than crab, though. I dig that flavor. What I do, suck the head.

There you go.

Other way. Other way.

Other way. This way? I was going to suck. No.

Go four to five, two seats, zags. Baby, that's all we need.

We can go to the bar after dark, smoke that cropish hair.

Nice. Shout out to Afro, man.

So you only eat the fucking tails of this thing? The fuck. That just seems like such a waste. Look at how small its tail is. You're getting rid of it.

Keep going.

Oh, yeah. Well, I need to see what your rhythm's like, man, because I'm getting no rhythm, and I feel like this is a lot to throw away.

She's juicing in the head.

That's why I'm sucking that head, though.

Baby, that's all we It's all in your beard.

This is great.

I mean, on flavors alone, 10 out of 10. It is fucking delicious. But on difficulty of obtaining the meat, in just pure waste, I'm going like four. But it's absolutely wonderful. If I knew what I was doing, I think it'd be a 10. We are here for a reason. There is the 59th Super Bowl in the history of the NFL being played. 59.

Yeah.

It's a lot of Super Bowl. If I'm reading my Roman numerals correct, it's 59.

That's what it is, correct.

Continually gets more confusing when they start adding Ls.

The Ls always get What point are we just going to have to abandon over numerals because nobody's going to have a fucking clue what the Roman numerals means. It's like cursive. They don't even teach the kids anymore.

What is it? So X is 1. 10. 10? Yeah. That's right. I is 1, V is 5, X is 10, L is 50.

7.

What's the most complicated Roman numeral number you can long? We can come It would be like... So it couldn't be like 500 as just five Cs? Or is 500-I don't know if this is the Super Bowl talk everyone wants to hear.

The largest number that can be represented in Roman numerals is 3,999, which is written M-M-M-C-M-X-C-I-X.

Well, there you have it. We're going to have to abandon Roman numerals at Super Bowl 3,999 because good luck selling that merchandise. All right. With this being your fifth Super Bowl, does any change with how you approach this game? Are you going to abandon all the other things that allowed you to win?

No. I'm going to stay true to those, particularly the second half of those games, try and start this one nice and fast.

I got to say this because I get... Okay, so everybody brings up the halftime being longer. Whenever somebody goes... For those of you that don't know, the halftime is longer.

Typically, it's like 15 minutes. It's not that much longer. It's 10 minutes more.

I don't know if I am just so anti-organized to have me do anything on game day. You're preaching to the choir. I cannot stay. They're like, Okay, we need to stretch it this and do this. Like, motherfucker, it's 10 more minutes. I'm pretty sure I'm not getting a cold down. I'm going to eat an incrustible and get my mind right for the second half. I don't need you to tell me to stretch my quads.

I'm going to make sure everybody knows. That is the key at halftime. Is the Uncrustible. Get you an Uncrustible, a Capri Sun, and go ahead and enjoy yourself.

I think a lot of the times it gets over... Well, I guess I'm one-on-one. You are clearly a better record. Do you feel like people overthink that portion of the Super Bowl?

You know what? Selfishly thinking, yes, but in the grand scheme of things, people do like structure, and people do like to be under some regimen. I think it helps guys in their first couple of years, or at least it did in my first Super Bowl, to just relax, understand this is how much time is going on. It gave me something to do. Did I stretch the next time? No. But I understood what I was capable of doing at that point. I understood the system. I understood what was happening. I was more familiar with the entire Super Bowl system. So it's just like, I didn't do a lot of the stuff I did my first year.

Maybe it's because I played a position that mentally you were making calls and trying to discern what do we do? What's the plan? But I think you're very much wired that same way. I would have much rather taken the more allocated time and be like, Hey, let's talk about what we're going to do in the second half even more than we get a lot in a regular halftime. Because a regular halftime, you're speeding through. You're like, Okay, they're giving us. These are the coverages we're seeing. These are the runs we're getting to. These are the concepts we like on third down. Let's go out there and play ball. It's like, No, let's actually talk about what are the first 10 plays we might run coming out of the second half and really dial in on this stuff rather than do a quad stretch.

Somebody might need that quad stretch.

You're right.

If Jason Kelsi doesn't need it, Jason Kelsi ain't going to fucking do it.

I just feel like, just drink yourself a fucking water and sodium.

Get you some pickle juice. Yeah.

Get you-Eat you an uncrustable.

Maybe snag an orange.

Jog back out to the field. Guess what? You'll be warm again. I'm also just That's anti-stretch in general, so I'm not the person I ask. Two World Wars. I played in fucking world record consecutive games for the Eagles. Maybe I'm on to something. Stretching is overrated.

Push-up, sit-ups, Jumbo Jacks.

Granted, my back hurts every single day. The only two times I pulled a muscle, and I'm not making this up, is when I was doing yoga. I was in a yoga class in college, pulled a muscle. Then I started doing some yoga in the NFL one year. I did a yoga class, very same week, pulled a And I'm like, This stretching shit is for the birds, dog. It ain't for me.

But to answer your question, I think over the last four Super Bowl that I've been to, I am at a completely different place as a leader So I feel like getting everyone comfortable is my biggest thing. Because I'm going to go out there and I'm going to be... I'm going to play my style of football because I'm confident in where I've been and how I've gotten here and things like that. But we got a A lot of new faces that haven't been in the Super Bowl yet, and I'm sure it'll hit them like it hit me, my first really two Super Bowl, and it'll surprise them how emotional it'll be for them. So trying to weather that storm and make sure they feel comfortable. The biggest thing, man, is if adversity hits, man, band together, man. This is a team sport, brother. You didn't get here alone, and you got guys fighting right there with you.

You hit the nail on the head. I think having the structure is nice for the guys that want it there. Then if you don't want to do it, most of the coaches realize the older guys that want to get something that's accomplished, yeah, go do your thing. They're not going to push back on it.

We're just making sure everybody feels comfortable and not letting the moment get too big. That's going to be my biggest concern is just making sure everybody feels comfortable in playing our style of football, man. I think we're playing the best team that we've played yet, and it makes sense going into the Super Bowl. I think offensively, defensively, special teams-wise, both teams match up really good. At the same time, I got all the confidence in the formula that we've had under Coach Reid and just how we do things in KC. I believe in the guys next to me, and if we play our style of football, man, we're going to put ourselves in a good situation.

That's the biggest thing. The emotions of the game can cause people to do uncharacteristic things that they normally wouldn't. How do we avoid that?

It can either make you timid or make you way too ballsy.

Or it can make you just right. If you weather it right. If you weather it right, it can be perfect.

It's like, Oh, it's This is the biggest game. I got to be great. I got to go do something crazy.

Or you can weigh over a thing. I've done both.

I've done all of these. I've done absolutely all of these.

A lot of fans are asking if Pat is okay after the Mavericks traded his favorite player, Luka Donchik.

Oh, yeah.

They trade him to the Lakers, in case you live in a sewer. Pat's tweet almost gave the Chiefs a heart attack. He said, I'm sick right now, and everybody was like, Wait, what?

Yeah, I knew exactly what it was because-Yeah, you were probably with him. Well, yeah, I'm in a few different group chats with him, and everybody was like, What the fuck is going on in Dallas? Obviously, a Dallas kid and grew up a huge Dallas sports fan. To pack it in the answers. It's been at countless games. We're actually at a game, and I got to say what's up to Luke. We talked about it on the show.

Did Pat say what's wrong with what happened?

I'm pretty sure nobody knows exactly what happened other than the GM. Even Mark Hubing came out and I was listening to my guy, Jan Parsons, talk about it. He said, Yeah, I don't have any idea what's going on. It's still up in the air on if it was the good move, the right move to make.

Did you see what was the-What do you think the equivalent...

Well, you don't even watch the NBA, so I got to-I watch some of it. All right.

I I've not watched any this year.

Who's in the number one seat for the East?

I just told you I've not watched any this year. I know it's not the Sixers. You're right.

They are struggling. It's the team that honored you and gave you a jersey that you sat courtside at, Jason. Nice.

They're balling like that. I knew they had a good start to the year. I have not followed them.

Damn it. Go Caz, baby.

It's our year.

Let's go. But at the same time, that tweet and everything got confusing, but Pat's good. Pat's all good. He's not actually sick. He's healthy. All right, this is where I can go. I can't wait for this Sunday, man. I'm so freaking fired up. If it wasn't for the Manning's getting me fired up talking about the National Anthem or Jason talking about how he'll be happy if the Eagles win. I am so fired up for this game. I love it. And I just want to. I relish in these moments, man. I've been waiting all year to fast forward to this game, man.

What's the most electric National Anthem?

You already know it's Chris Stableton. There's just no one even close. I've seen on the street. On a sad day, I will put that video on. I'll go to YouTube.

Just to watch me and nick Seriani cry and then revel in the fact that you beat us?

I never looked at him like that. Chris Jones cried, too, to be fair. Chris Jones. I I cried, but I kept my composure. Yeah, that's... But more so Chris did his thing in one of my favorite performances ever.

Yeah, it was very electric.

Nice. Well, let's get to our last food review.

Can you make folks feel what you're feeling All right, Brandon, bring the king cake and the beignets in. Oh, yeah. Travis, are you allowed to eat this?

No, but I am. What?

Wait, are you allowed to eat or are you not allowed to eat it?

No, I'm not allowed to eat this, Jason. But for the sake of the show, I will eat this.

You're willing to do something like that? What if Andy came in right? Because you were about to take a bite and take it out of here.

I'm going to offer him one and see what happens.

All right, which one are we going at first? King Cake or beignet?

Let's go cake. The beignet is going to be messy. It's the closest one.

I love the texture of that.

The vitamin blood.

So what is a kingcake? Mmm. Mmm.

Cinimen roll.

Yeah. Glazed cinnamon roll.

Glace cinnamon roll. There's a little bit of a minty Frosting in there. It's not your typical Frosting. There's something in the Frosting for sure.

I think it's sprinkles.

You think it's minty sprinkles?

I'm not going to lie, I'm getting zero mint.

It tastes like something from Philly, to be honest. Like something I would get at Wawas.

It tastes like a cinnamon roll with Frosting and sprinkles on I'm giving it a good seven.

It's very good. It's delicious.

It's almost like a honey bun.

I was going with tasty cake. It's like a tasty cake. It's like a honey bun. It's a good loaf of bread, for sure.

Good bake.

Good Good rise on it. Where are you going? I went seven out of 10.

It's no tasty cake anymore. I'm trying to give a number when you don't even know what... Are we rating it on just like a... Baked goods? Seven out of 10.

There you go. Ben Yee, let's go.

How do you spell beignet? B-e-i-g-n-e-t.

You just read it.

Cheater. Probably there's enough sugar in it.

This is my crib tonight. I will eat all of those.

What is it? Are you supposed to do anything with the beignet other than... First of all, these fucking beignets are huge. I've never seen beignets this big.

That's my shit right here.

Are you supposed to dip them in something or just eat it? Eat it. Do you typically have these with coffee in the morning, like a donut? Are these good beignets?

These are good beignets. Dude, it's a funnel cake in a donut fashion.

I can get on with this.

One more week, Travis.

I love funnel cakes.

One more week. Get me out of there. Get me out before it's too late.

Beignets are really hard for somebody with facial hair. I don't know if you can tell.

I feel like I'm wearing it.

You're good.

You already have white in your beard, though, so it It just blends.

It just blends in. I can't wait till my beard is fully white.

Dude, it's almost there.

It's getting there.

You're going to be Tim Allen and Santa Claus in a year.

I mean, I'll be Tim Allen and Santa Claus this year. If Tim Allen, if Santa Claus dies in my front yard.

If you guys caught that, that was a good one. Dude, if you become Santa Claus, you got to invite me to the North Pole. I got to go. Because if it's anything like the movie with The Rock, I can't.

I got to uplift. It's going to be just me and Bernard, and Kyle is going to have to raise the kids on our own.

Out of 10, we got to rate it out of 10. I'm going to put-I'm going nine out of 10. The bread was a little, but it's probably just because it was baked in the morning, and we're eating them now.

You could tell that thing, freshly fried and hot. I'll take a dozen. Funnel cake. It's basically just a funnel cake that's susceptible to eat at any time, which I can get on board with New Orleans.

I'll be it all, baby. All right, well, shout out to the Benyés.

Compared to sucking the backside of a Crawfish head, Benyés gets a 8 out of 10.

Nice.

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The smart answer to saving money on premium wireless. Not a question. Did Travis use a DeLorean or a hot tub time machine to travel back in time and invent the pony Express Tress. Alexander Major is my ass. You can't convince me that this is not Travis in a top hat.

I mean, if I'm looking at myself in the mirror, that's pretty damn good.

Yeah, it's pretty solid.

I will say that they couldn't be me because I would never be seen with that fucking hat on.

Travis, you need to go. This needs to be your pregame Super Bowl fit. Top hat?

I remember wearing a top hat. Not too long ago.

When did you wear a top hat? I don't remember that one.

When I was in Lawn.

Oh, I do remember there.

So I got caught in my own lie.

I enjoy wearing those. But only in front of 80,000 people.

You pulled it off. Well, there's a lot more people than 80,000 people that saw that. But you pulled it off really well.

Thanks. It's always scary. Have you ever came across a really like Travis, we are the most generic white-looking people on the planet.

It is so many people. There were just 25 of them in downtown New Orleans. And you could not pick me out of a fucking lineup.

You're Where's Waldo, dude. I could take that salt and pepper beard out of fucking anybody.

I look like-I could take one good look at those tits and know exactly who it is. I look like 12 former president, including Grover Cleveland, Theodore Roosevelt, and any other ones that are white with a beard.

I remember Jonas Valentunis.

Yeah, I remember you telling me this story.

From Lithuania, getting drafted in the NBA, and I was like, holy shit, I'm Lithuanian.

I mean, we're not far off. It's close.

I mean, dude, you can't tell me that I don't have Lithuania in my blood. Where's Lithuania at? Eastern Europe.

I mean, it's definitely Eastern Europe. But is it northeastern or is it Slavic area?

It's Slavic for sure. I'm lying.

I have no idea. For some reason, I feel like it's up north. Is it by Serbia?

No, it's not that.

That's higher north. That's way up there. That's a different area than where our ancestors are. That's way up there for Russia. I feel like our ancestors just fucked their way across Europe. It feels like we have a little bit of everything. Which is why we look like everybody.

True American mutt. Yeah. I guess I'll pass the 20th.

We need a little bit of this over here. We have our Ashkanazi over here, our Irish over here, our Slavic down here, our Serbian here.

We actually don't have any clue what we are on dad's side because he's the only one that didn't get the 23 and me or whatever.

It's true.

We got to get that out of him.

He just always says he's an American. I'm American.

It didn't matter.

We have ancestors in Pennsylvania and West Virginia. I guess that's accurate, pop. So, yeah, solid photo. What was the question there?

There was no question.

Is Travis a time travel? That was a question. Are you a time traveler?

I have some Marty McFly's, but that's about as close as I get to time traveling.

If you could time travel, where would you go back to?

Man, I'm trying to see some dinosaurs, trying to figure out how the fuck they made those pyramids.

If I could time travel, I'd go back to Super Bowl 57 and make sure that we win that fucking game. So then I wouldn't be depressed about not having lost that game.

Yeah. I really don't feel that bad about my Super Bowl.

I lost to Tom braided. We won against Tom braided. I didn't do much, but it was fun.

All right, let's get to this next one. From Tatie, I need to know the history behind this picture. We don't know the fucking history. I played football for a living. My memory goes to last week.

We just know that I was strong as fuck as a baby.

Look at that, dude. I'm fucking doing Curls with Travis Kelsey.

That's a pro-bol center right here. He's only two years younger than me. That's a pro-bol center. Travis is probably... He's not even a year old in that photo. That means I'm not even three yet. Look at that head of hair I had. I'm doing Curls with my off hand. Peanut butter and jelly in my run. I don't know if you saw that. I'm fucking yoked. Dude, dude. It's impressive. It might be the most impressive photo of my life. Captured in two and a half years.

You got to get that outfit, dude. That is your outfit.

It's my outfit. Dig the socks. Got a nice bulge going.

I hate you for making me look at your bars. I don't get paid to, dude. I didn't want to do it, man. All right, let me get out of this fucking thing. Thank you for the picture. You guys want to do a voicemail? Let's just do one voicemail. All right, let's do one voicemail. You can just press it.

Press it.

Hi. My question is, since we know that the winning Super Bowl team gets a big party after, what happens to the losing team?

Fuck is so funny about that. Are you kidding me? Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing? The fuck is... Psychopath?

These are fucking dreams from your childhood that you built up, and you lose them. That was harsh. To answer your Question. The losing team, they both have parties. The one I lost, actually, was COVID year. So we just jumped back on the plane and went the fuck home. And I thought about jumping out the It's very weird.

They already have the parties set up in advance, so you still have the party. It's just the saddest party I've ever been to. Picture a birthday party combined with a funeral, and that's what a Super Bowl losing party feels like.

Funeral always overrides it for sure.

Yeah. It's like, well, because there's a bunch of happiness that it's themed with, but everybody feels like somebody just died. Kind of trying to justify what happened. Oh, yeah. It was a fun season. You remember, if we would have done this, if we would have done that. And coaches are leaving, and you're saying goodbye to teammates who aren't going to be there next year. Just going on a Jeremy Shacky.

A Shacky, man. I was on a Shakey for a good two years.

The good thing about the Super Bowl is you're going to go on a Jeremy Shakey. You don't know which Jeremy Shakey you're going on. Oh, you know. But if you win, you're going on a a Shaki, and if you lose, you're going on a Jeremy Shaki.

Shout out to Jeremy Shakey. For being the best of both worlds, man.

For being the tight end of Travis Gels, who looked up two times in time.

Oh my God, I still do. I still do, Jeremy. I got to meet you with Shakey, Man, fuck.

You've never met Shaki?

Dude, he's literally the only one. I haven't caught him at any of the NFL.

What is he doing now?

I'm pretty sure he's hanging out around Miami football. He went to the U, so I think he helps those guys out and just enjoys South Florida.

It's not a of your life.

Yeah. All right.

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Yes, sir.

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No matter how hard I try- He's in the zone. You keep pushing me aside and I can't break through.

I like the hands.

No talking to you.

Don't give me that.

You got to sit up. I'm not going to believe But after all the sitting done-Oh, yeah.

You see how you let it build?

I'm going to be the lonely one. Oh, do you believe in love, after love? After love, after love, after love. Never knew it was like that until last week. Feel something inside me saying, I really don't think you're strong enough, no.

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