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That didn't affect me one bit.

Didn't even know what happened. What app being banned would actually ruin your life?

Probably say YouTube or Spotify or WNDYRY Plus or wherever you get your podcast.

That would be a big bubble for us.

That would mean I'm out of a job.

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Oh, boy, we had a great week of football that we're going to dive into. That's right. Chiefs advanced to the seventh straight AFC title game. That's fucking crazy. I mean, that is fucking insane. God, you guys are good. All right. Eagles dashing through the snow in a once-a-quant away. Over the Rams we go, we're an Evo all the way.

We're out of Christmas. We're out of Christmas. I'm not going to Christmas.

I'm not going to Christmas. Eagles, dashing through the snow against the Rams. We'll provide a bunch of Championship Sunday discussions and more. And as always, though, we're going to get a little bit to that new news.

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New News is brought to you by American Express. Yeah, we got to get into the College Football Championship that happened this past Monday. Ohio State Buckeyes. That's right. National Championship back in the Buckeyes State, as they are the winners of the 12-team College Football Playoff. Was the 12-team format a success Did it go too long? I think both of those can have different answers. Did it go too long? Yes. It went too long to me. But I'm also... I don't like the playoff thing being that long for college. I don't know why. Maybe I'll get used to it, but it was very hard to stay engaged through the whole college football playoff.

Just go six teams.

But here's the problem. Both of the teams that won it- Both of the teams, two buys. Both of the teams that won it weren't in the top six, right? Both of the teams that were in the championship were, what, seven and eight, right?

Seven and eight, eight to seven. How right?

Hey. I mean, if it's a success to figure out who the best team is in football, then I think it worked because it allowed all of the big teams to compete in it. But that said, I don't like it still, even though it works.

We're just old-school guys, man. That's probably it. We just like shit how it used to be. And I don't know. I'm with you. But at the same time, I did enjoy all these college football games. I did enjoy watching meaningful football being played and kids out here fighting for their team to go a step further in the playoffs, be crowned champions. I did enjoy it.

I can't remember a less exciting national championship, though. I mean, just a complete ass-kicking.

You hate to see it. You hate to see it. I mean, especially between, literally, the Battle of Cleveland in my book. When you grow up in Cleveland, Ohio, you either love Notre Dame or Ohio State, or both.

No doubt.

It was a funny feeling, at least going into it for me. On top of that, Freeman being an ex-Ohio State Buckeye. Yep. Notre Dame.

Ex-s Cincinnati Bear Cat Coach, right?

Yeah. So he was there since he went to the college football playoffs themselves.

Ryan Day was with me in Philadelphia for one of Chip Kelly seasons, and now Chip Kelly is the OC for Ryan Day at Ohio State.

Did not know that. Yeah. Wow. So Chip Kelly got a- Got a national championship.

That's right.

He went to the... I was at the... Damn, I didn't even realize. This is why I got to watch more TV. Well, shout out to Chip Kelly, getting himself a ring. And Shout out to Ohio State Buckeyes, man. Big shout out. I got a bunch of friends that were super stoked that Ohio State went for the field goal at the end to make sure they covered the spread. Something that the Chiefs did not elect in the game against the Houston-Texas this past week.

That is always one of the things, man, with the sports gambling, that these end-of-game scenarios where it's the right thing to do.

It's so crazy. We had a legit bad beat. Svp and Stanford Steve always love to do those bad beats, man. That is as bad of a beat as you can think of. A safety with 40 seconds left in the game. Just Just to go to the other side of the spread?

Dude.

Hilarious.

I had big wit in the suite for the Eagles versus packers. When Saquon slid, he missed his bet. He would have gone over or whatever. I don't even know what bet was.

Was it whatever the parlay or whatever it was.

But you could see it just crushing.

It's so sick how Vegas always knows. They always know it's right. It's going to be this way or that way at the end. Ohio State goes up three fucking touchdowns or whatever it was, and all of a sudden, at the end of the game, it's right at eight to 10 points. Are you kidding me? It's right in between those two numbers? Either way, it's absolutely hysterical.

The NFL is scripted. You know that.

Well, that's why you got to give them a story to write, man. Got to give them a good story to write. You had Roger on last week talking about it.

All right, shout out to the buck, guys.

Speaking of Roger, Goodell on late Night. Yeah, baby. You had our big dog, Roger Goodell, a friend of the show. They call it Late Night.

That's right. Every NFL player's dad.

He all but confirmed the NFL will move to an '18 game in season.

I don't think he can technically confirm it because I think it has to be voted on by the owners. But I think everybody knows this is where it's headed. 17 games doesn't make sense. There's more away games than home games some of for some teams. I think that the 18-game season was a foregone conclusion when they went to 17. They went to 17 to see how it felt.

Well, we did get some rule updates. Roger is still out on including hockey fights, which big bummer over here. But OchoCinco wants DPI to be 15 yards instead of a spot foul.

First of all, I love that OchoCinco is trying to make the game more fair for defensive players because it feels like that's the complete opposite direction as a receiver, I would not expect him to say something like this. But I wonder if there's a way to have DPI similar to face masks, where depending on how overly egregious the DPI is, it's a 15-yarder or it's a spot fight. If you straight up tackle a guy, that should be put at the spot. That's bull crap. But if you're just hand fighting, and it happens in the play, I feel like that should be 15 yards. Does that make sense?

I hear That's what you're saying. I think it's-I think it would be impossible to officiate. I think it's fine the way it is. I think all of this is fine the way it is. All right, fair enough. I think defensive holding is only five yards. That's where it balances out. Offensive holding is 10.

We got I get rid of offensive holding, just in general. The defense can hold.

Psycho. You're insane. Bo Allen wants hitting the crossbar on a field goal to be worth four points. A doink is actually good.

I'm very out on this rule. Yeah.

I don't know where Bo was going with this, but it was good to see him in the suite after the game. Honey bobo. Honey bobo. Missed my guy, man. It's always fun watching him on the late night, man.

He's brought a lot of energy and juice to it.

As he always does. Shout out to Goodell and everybody, and you guys always kill. And I can't wait to see this week, brother. You want to pump it? You got any good guests this week?

We got Ryan Clark.

Hey, nice.

We got Jameis Winston.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, baby. Famous Jameis.

And then we got my man, Jim Gaffigan.

Jim Gaffigan.

Yes. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm excited for all three.

That is awesome, dude.

Do you know he played offensive line? I believe in college.

I mean, God damn, it makes sense. Yeah, right? A lot of the offensive linemen are some of the funiest motherfuckers I know.

Dude, he is. And he's right up there with one of the funiest dudes I've ever heard. I've been a fan for a long time. Are you getting a pre-show speech from Jameis? I don't know, Brandon. We haven't figured out the full gamut of the content, but we got some fun things lined up.

You always do. But he sure does get the fucking people going when he does that.

Something else that got the people going was TikTok being banned for 15 hours. That's right. You would have thought all of the Internet lost their mind. Did you guys survive the great TikTok blackout of 2025? Didn't even know it happened. I'm not on TikTok.

Knew it happened, didn't Give two shits about it. Shout out to everybody on TikTok that needs it to make money and does a great job of promoting themselves or their business on there. But that didn't affect me one bit. I'm an Instagram, Twitter guy. I don't know. It is what it is. I got off Facebook a long time ago and haven't looked back since.

Facebook? What happened? How did Facebook go the route of my space? What happened to that?

Well, they let all the old people on. They let our parents get on, and our parents... It's pretty true. Started Started telling everybody how they felt.

They would have just kept it a college because you have to have the college URL. That's how you first had to get on.

You got to have the college email. That was the only time I ever used it. I never used it.

I used my college email for a good 10 years after leaving University of Cincinnati and then found out that it was not working anymore.

Yeah, I think they move on.

They cut me off.

I didn't know how to log in.

That's a problem.

That is a problem unless you let it work for you instead of against you. Although it did work against me when the class was canceled and I just showed up to class for no funny reason. Shout out to TikTok.

What app being banned would actually ruin your life?

I don't know that any of them. I guess, maps? I'd probably say YouTube or Spotify or WNDYR Plus, or wherever you get your podcast.

That would be a big bum for us. That would really That would mean I'm out of a job. All right.

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All right. Let's move on to some bold topics to wrap up the divisional round of the NFL playoffs, starting with Chiefs 23, Texans 14. Trial. How does it feel to be going into your seventh straight AFC title game?

It feels good, man. One game, and you get one game. And you get to punch your ticket into the Super Bowl, man. Fuck, it's-It's right there.tasty. One of those scenarios you dream about in the beginning of the season to be able to do this. We've been fortunate enough to do this for seven straight years. I've had a heartbreak. I've had a triumph. I've won and lost this game multiple times. I know exactly how to attack this thing, and you just got to attack it a day by day and not peak too soon. And circle the wagons, baby. It's going to be a tough one against the Buffalo Bills.

I don't think people realize You guys how fucking crazy this is. Seven straight times, you have been one of the top two teams in the AFC. It's just mind-blowing that this has happened this much. And it's a testament to you guys, obviously. Is it just expected you're going to go to the AFC Championship?

Yeah, I put that on myself every single year. It's either that or my failure.

Oh, okay.

Nothing in between.

Well, that's a hell of a way to live your life. It's working out so far.

And it has It's nothing to do with... I don't care if I'm the MVP of the league, which I'll never be, or which I've never been up for, but it doesn't matter what you do individually. It's all about what your team does at the end of the day.

I don't care if I'm the rushing league title, if I'm the rushing yard as your champion.

It's all about what your team does. In Kansas City, we set those expectations for ourselves.

This game was also Andy Reid's 300th career win.

Big red. How about that? You hear what he said?

What did he say?

He said, We get a few more it actually matched my weight.

I wonder how many more.

So I'm here to get him a few more and match his weight.

He's got a little bit skinny. I think he's under 300 now, right?

Yes, he looks great. He does look great. I have no idea how much he weighs, no. But I thought it was a pretty good bit that everybody should hear because Andy Reid, even though he's one of the greatest coaches ever in 300 career wins, is absolutely insane. He still finds a way to brush it off and have fun with it. That's why I love the guy.

Andy's the greatest. Playoff Getty. Let's get to the real thing. You wore the right cleats again, and you finished with seven catches for 117 yards.

I wore them just for you, too. I wore them just for you, too. I wore them just for you, just so you could thrive. Just so you could thrive right now.

There is nothing more that I love knowing that I'm still having an impact on the field by telling Travis to wear the right cleats. That red dye, baby, makes me look way faster, doesn't it?

Dude, you got to get to- I just move so much quicker. I can really outrun everyone, can't I?

Get those new ones. It's not so much speed as it is the... All right, anyways. Why did the playoffs bring the best out of the Yeti?

I wish it was just a switch that I could say it's time to go and I'm ready to play. That's not what it is. Throughout the year, we try and play our best every single week. Every single play, I'm trying my hardest. I'm doing everything I can to help my team win throughout the week. Over the course of the season, I think that we have a A method and a formula from Coach Reid that we just gradually get better as the season goes on. When we go into the playoffs, we're playing our best football. At least that's the effort. That's the focus. That's the determined mindset to be able to play your best at the end of the season. It's everybody on the same page, everybody doing their part. And when the ball is in our hands, we make plays when we're called upon. I was fortunate that I had seven to eight chances to make a play. I failed on one and had a ball slapped out of my hand early on. From that point on, I felt like I could get a rhythm and get going here. But at the same time, it's just football, baby.

There's never a time where I'm holding back and I got to make sure I keep some things in my back pocket. It's not that. I'm always competing my ass off, man.

Yeah. I think I also, you guys had 23 days off from your last game, at least the starters did, most of them before this game.

Some of that helps. Some of that helps at the end of the day.

It hurt you guys a little bit. I feel like offensively, your guys timing was off. The first two or three drives, you ran some plays that felt like there's a little bit of rustiness there. But I feel like for guys like you, for guys that have been in the league for a long time, I know I always appreciated the rest. Hell, yeah. You know what I mean? It means more for the older guys.

That's what you're playing your ass off in the regular season for, is to get that rest going into a stretch and being able get that one seat or being able to get a playoff birth under your belt so that you can maybe miss that last game. Whatever the situation is, you try your ass off throughout the year to get that opportunity and get the honor of being able to take those weeks to get healthy.

Let's watch this TD catch you had because the styling and profiling by you was awesome as well. Go, Pat. Oh, Pat.

Patty Mahomes pushes the pocket, has the strength to fight off a 300-pound man while throwing an absolute dart in the back of the end zone.

Why you got to look at Shia like this?

Listen, I'm just in the moment. I got a lot of respect for Shia.

No, no, no, no. That's something personal there.There's some personal there.

There's nothing personal there. Stop doing that. I don't have vendettas against people for no fucking reason. He's never done anything to me. He's a great competitor.

He is a great competitor.

All that is, is just me having fun playing football, dog. Sometimes in the playoffs, you play with a little bit more emotion, a little bit more aggression, and a little bit more swagger. I went on Steven A's show last week and told everybody if I got in there, I'd swag it out. Sure enough, this is just how I did it, man.

Well, you also had this catch for 49 yards.

Yeah, that was the first catch I had. This one was just making place.

Come on, look at them red shoes. Come on now. Oh, yeah, red shoes. Yeah.

The red shoes really helped me when Zahir went for the strip. Yeah, you play a little bit better when nobody's guard you. That's the beauty of the NFL.

That's always good. They went with a blitz on this, right? Is that where my Pat signed?

Yeah, they went with the nickel blitz. Nickel blitz on top of that, when they rushed five, less defenders on the back end. You got two guys running with the flat, nobody over the middle of the field, and you just run and replace. Pat was right there in sync with me. It's a day one install play, so you can play really fast. That's why Coach loves dialing up those things. Good football, man.

Big play, big play. The whole world was talking about something else during the game, and I'm sure you saw some of this, but they were complaining about the refs again, Trio. Even Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne, I hate the Cheating Ass Chiefs. He's going ass with two Zs.

Shout out to Toon Tee, man.

Colin Sanders had a rebuttal. He said, Literally, folks, we'll see shit like this and say, Yep, just like I thought, refs versus the Texans. Bro, the Texans left the all-time leading playoff receiver, wide, booty, butt, naked, open for four quarters. Just hearing you say that. And yet The Chiefs needed those calls.

Why Booty butt naked open? They did. They left me butt naked open.

And I forgot to mention them boys at eight sacks. Eight. Cj couldn't even scratch his ass for a good second before he was getting sacked. We need to get Kyle on the podcast. This guy's fucking hilarious.

Man, as you know, the D-line and O-line rooms in the NFL, it's the pure comedy. Shout out to Sir Bank.

And you guys were getting after... I mean, CJ's offensive line wasn't great all year. That was the big thing that was holding them back. He was getting hit quite a bit all season, but the Chiefs got after him a bit extra hard. 14 quarterback hits, nine tackles for loss, and sacks. One blocked field goal, again.

Liochanal.

What do you think about the two Reverend the Pastor calls.

I'd like to plea the fifth.

I can comment on it, though, right?

Of course.

I think the second one was completely, just like, absolutely ridiculous, right? I mean, he didn't even get touched. I don't know. They just missed it.

He definitely got touched.

I could see what they saw, but I don't think it was really that much forceable contact to his head. I think it looked like it was, but it didn't look like it was in slow motion. It was that much. But I understand why they called it. Just thought it was a bad call. Let's talk about pregame fits. Trev, you went with the shorts And it was... I mean, that wind was fucking cold.

Pregame fit? You're talking about the walk-in or like when I was warming up?

That shit was cold as fuck.

It was not. The sun was out. Regardless, it's like, I got a hat on. I'm keeping the wind off my ears. My legs don't get cold because I'm a hairy son of a bitch.

That wind, I don't care what you say, that wind was gusting, and it was a blowing, and it was a chiller.

Well, you got to understand. I'm going out there. When I do these warmups, I'm going out there for 10 minutes max.

It's a good point.

I'm going out there to gage it. If it's super snowy or super rainy and super cold, I might throw a hoodie on just to get the sweat going. But for the most part, I really don't care what the weather is in warmups. That being said, I didn't put anything else on for the game, but whatever it is. The cold is the cold. I'm going to find a way to stay warm on the sidelines, whether I got a jacket or I'm sitting on the heaters or I'm running up and down the to keep the blood flow going and the body loose. I'm going to do what I have to do. I'm not worried about what the weather is and how it's going to affect how I play. I just go out there and play my fucking game.

I felt the same way when I used to play. I didn't really get cold, but I'll tell you this, being an analyst on the sideline, it was cold. Especially when you sit down and your pants roll up and your ankles are exposed.

Got to get some socks, bud. We got to get some longer socks.

Actually, I had wool socks and I had boots on, but the area in between the pant leg, it still rolled up on me. That was cold.

It was cold. Get your tail I'll work on that.

I don't know what to say.

Well, Jason, we got a good one from Rodney La Croix. La Croix. I think that's how you say that name. Jason looks like the guy you hire to get possum out of your attic, which I thought was absolutely hilarious because outside of the, what do you call it, the jacket and the hat coordination, it's the yellow gloves that give you this guy can I can just round up some rodents.

Well, I went with the yellow gloves because a lot of times, Trab, you'll go with the yellow gloves, but you didn't do that on this one.

You got to know, if you're calling me out for going, and I got to go red clees, I got to go red gloves. I can't just be out here mixed- Oh.

Yeah,i'll go yellow cleats.

You want me to go yellow cleats this week?

Go yellow, but go with that yellow, not like the other yellow.

What?

Don't do like the other Jordan yellow. I don't know how to show the cleat that I'm talking about.

I only have one yellow cleat.

Don't go with this color. It's got to be full. It's got to be full.

Full yellow. All right, got it. I don't even know how to show it, but I hear you saying full yellow. I got you. All yellow on it.

But also maybe just keep wearing the red ones because they're working, and I don't know what the yellow does like.

Player makes shoes. Shoes don't make the player.

Tell that to your feet when they start fucking hurting and they don't work very well. I had I got to go back into this old ass cleat for the last four years of my career.

It's because you were in Under Armor, man.

I was in Nike, then I went to Under Armor, then I went back to Nike, and then Nike made these awful cleat. The bottom of the new Nikes is just so fucking terrible. I went back to an old Nike cleat, and I tried the Jordans, but they were too soft. It was like running in sand. I went back to the old Nike cleats, and then I got my acceleration back.

Nice. Shout out to Nike.

Did you meet the Rizlas? Rizler.

Did you meet the Rizler?

Did I meet him? I didn't meet him. Who's the Rizler?

There you go. He didn't meet him, folks.

Is that the Rizler, this kid?

Yeah, the kid? Yeah. The kid?

Yeah.

Yeah. He's big on TikTok, I think.

Oh, nice.

Tiktok went down, so he had to show up at the game.

That's huge.

Shout out to the Rizler, man. He's just a young, chubby kid, man. Just like me. Just a sports fanatic.

Lebron stats Travis, Kelsi's 14th straight playoff game with 70 plus receiving yards. That is the longest streak in NFL history. The second longest streak in the NFL history is seven. The second longest active streak is two. In other words, Travis Kelsey is fucking killing the postseason. Great LeBron Stead.

There you go. Seventy yards. Chris Berman, the swami himself, he interviewed me before this one and told me that, including my playoff yardage, I have over eight miles of receiving yards.

Eight miles.

That's pretty Pretty cool.

It's pretty damn awesome.

It's insane.

How does it feel to be right behind Jerry Rice? The only players with 2,000 plus receiving yards and 20 plus receiving touch downs in the postseason.

I'm right there with him at this point, and it's a pretty goddamn cool feeling. That being said, for whatever reason, man, you set these goals and these statistical accolades that you want to meet when you first get into the league. You're just like, Man, I to be in the conversations with the greatest ever and the most yards and the most touch downs. All the guys that you look at that are at the top of that list, you feel like that's what's going to make me satisfied, and that's what's going to make me feel like I've done it. Yeah. While you're in it, I'm just not satisfied with what I'm doing. I feel like I have this mentality and this mindset, week in, week out, year in, year out, to just be better than what I was the previous day. Yeah. I think all these stats and accolades and everything, they'll be cool. When I'm done playing, I'll be able to look back on everything and say, nice, man, that was what I fucking edged in history. Right now, I'm so focused on beating the Buffalo Bill's right now, man, that I could really care less about passing any of Jerry Rice's records.

Shout out to Jerry Rice. I'm not saying that because-No, Jerry's a man. I'm downplaying that. He's the fucking goat. Even if I do pass his records, I'm still going to consider him the greatest to ever do it. It's how I feel about these things of just never being satisfied, man. As I look over the course of my career, I've just never felt like that. I've never felt that I've made it feeling. It's always just been, what can I do better? What can I do next? And what I can do next is win another AFC Championship.

Yeah, I get it. You're focused on team goals, and you guys are one game away from going to your Another consecutive Super Bowl. There was somebody that cared about the LeBron stats, and that was LeBron. Lebron James tweeted, @Tkelsi. Yeah.

Congrats, brother. See, now this is... Nfl record. This is this is this is this got me going. This is sweet. Yeah, right?

Sometimes this is why the LeBron That's what makes us mad because then LeBron tweets about you. Congrats, brother. Nfl record for most 100 yards receiving in the playoffs. Nine games. Bada boom. Fire. Nba games, Sal. Three of them. He had a salute. You got a salute.

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Kally and I have been talking about going to Turks and Caicos for a long time. I heard the water was really nice down there. It seems like it's a pretty good environment. I wouldn't mind doing a ski trip. We haven't really done that with the girls. I know that I think why it might be into it. Plus, I want to go skiing.

Last time we met, man, every time is just so.

It's the best. I love snow. That's what it comes down to.

I just like snow. I love the mountains. I love snow. I love going fast speeds and risking my life.

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Thank you, brother. Eagles 28 Crams 22. Moving on to a little snow game in Philly. Jason, you were at this magical snow globe. I was. I was talking to you earlier about it. You said it reminds you of the 2013 game you had.

A little bit. The 2013 game was snowing one from the get-go. What was unique about this one is if you go back and watch the first half, there's not a fucking fleck of snow. It all just started coming down randomly. And then by the time it's the third and fourth quarter, it's a full-on goddamn blizzard. It was intense. It was crazy. It was cool. And the Eagles have already, I think maybe even said publicly, at least it's being alluded to that they want to go to a retractable dome because they want to be able to host Super Bowl. They want to be able to have events year-round in the next stadium they build. And I just am so much against the dome I think that snow, rain, that's one of the things I love about football, is that the elements play a factor, and they play the factor in this game. I thought it was awesome. I love snow games. I was also in a box, so I didn't really have to deal with any of it, but it was awesome to watch from outside the window. Highly big fan of the snow game.

Well, the irony about the 2013 game in this game was that the Eagles were playing Matthew Stafford in both games.

That's right.

The Eagles came out on top both games. Shout out to Matty Stafford, man, our guy. Hell, yeah. A fellow friend. And man, what a fucking competitor that guy is. Are snow games the best type of football game, though?

I think so. I think snow, it just makes everything magical. It has this way of putting everything, especially when you're playing in it, but also as a spectator. I don't know.

It does just make it more dramatic and just more like just a fun atmosphere, doesn't it? We played Buffalo up in Buffalo, and it was snowy, and we're getting pegged with fucking snowballs at the end of it. It was something about, I don't think if it's as snowy as it was and built up excitement for the fans going in there, getting paid $20 an hour just to clear out the snow. I think it makes such a cool element for certain stadiums and certain teams. I think it has to be the best atmosphere to play in. It's the only one that uplifts everybody if it's the right amount of snow, I guess.

Yeah, it just has this way about it where it just feels like it's almost whimsical. It's awesome. I love snow games. Always have, always go. Where did you get this?

What is this? This poncho? This throw, this poncho? Is that blanket material, though? That's not poncho material.

Oh, it's poncho. I got it in LA. It's definitely not NFL licensed because it was from a guy named Chang on Venice Beach Boardwalk. I'm not even making this up. Bro, we had a whole bit for the late night show that we ended up not doing because of the fires that are out in LA. It didn't feel right anymore. The comedy behind it. But I ended up making friends with one of the shop owners down there on Venice Beach.

This was what he had for you?

Yeah, he scammed me into paying $100 for this poncho. $100? I knew it was wrong, but I'm like, I got to support Chang. I knew there's no chance, but you know what? This guy's out here trying to scam people, make a living. I get it.

Fuck it.

Yeah, so I did it.

Whatever. Nice. You're a good guy. That's all I saw in that. You didn't get scammed. You knew exactly what you were buying.

Well, he tried to scam me. I just went along with it.

Yeah, that's not getting scammed. You just wanted to help a guy out. It's true. There's nothing scammy about that.

Well, he was scamming. I wasn't scamming.

Well, he was scamming, or he just knew that he could hit you at the right spot.

Yeah. He's like, There's a big whale over here. He's got a big old pocketbook.

Oh, yeah. I could hit him where it hurts.

I bought three other ones for $100, and then I had people sign them, and then I sold those for $200.

And that's how you didn't get scammed.

I became the scammer, and then I took the money back. I took the money back to Chang. One day, that video surface. It was going to be epic.

So good. The biggest combo going on in the game was Ram's rookie, Jared Verste, talking that shit. He was backing it up. He was having a... He was having himself a hell of a game. But after every single play he made, he made sure that the Eagles fans him and heard him as he was running to the sidelines. But a pregame quote, though, I hate Eagles fans. They're so annoying. I hate Eagles fans. When I see that green and white, I hate it. I actually get upset. I actually genuinely get hot. Him being hot is like him being furious.

Yeah, he's from an hour or two north of Philly, I think. At least that's where he went to high school.

So he gets it.

Just embracing it. Listen, he played pretty good, for being honest.

Yeah, he backed it up.

Their D-line played better than I thought they would. I think the Egos offensive line is very good. They have a good D-line as well with the Rams, but I thought that the Egos' old line was really going to block them pretty handily because of how good they are. And that was a good matchup all game long. They brought the heat. They ran games well.

The rookie getting banged up, I think.

You're talking about Fisk?

Slowed him down, yeah. And Man, that dude is good.

Yeah. And Fisk runs a lot of the games really well. He's got a knack for running those TEs and everything. He sets things up for other guys, so he's a big part of what they do up front.

I will say this, though. Being a Chief's player my entire life going to your games, I've gotten some fun banter with the Eagles. Of course. I think Eagles fans get it. I think they know they want to make... They love it. They arguably do love it. They want somebody to come in and talk shit to them. For sure. They wanted to be a rowdy and almost like a fight mentality. Like, I fucking hate you. You hate us. Let's do this out.

We're going to talk shit, but then there's also at the end of the day-There's some respect at the end of the day. I respect that a little bit, being a dickhead, but fuck you.

Exactly. I think there is a little bit of that. So the Eagles putting it on the Jumbotron before the game.

I didn't see that.

I saw that. I thought that was pretty clever. Make sure the Eagles knew that that was the guy.

Hey, in case you missed this.

Yeah, exactly.

That guy said this before the game.

Yeah, but I think I've learned to appreciate the Eagles fans for that. And I've also been lucky that my brother is one of the best Eagles to ever play the fucking game. So that makes them appreciate my family a little bit more, so we have more of a mutual respect for each other. But yeah, Eagles fans, they want you to do this stuff. And I think, I don't know, maybe Jared knew that coming in because he grew up not too far away.

I think he did know because he said this after the game. He said, After the game, I was walking to the locker room, they were throwing snowballs at me. They bleed green and white. I like that they stand on it. They don't shy away from it. My phone was blowing up the last two or three days. All I was seeing was, Yeah, we embrace it. We love that. And I'm like, Okay, I got it. So I think he grew up on the East Coast. He knows what the deal is. This is just the way it works. I loved every second of it. And clearly, it got the most out of him. I thought he played pretty damn well. Really, the Rams, in general, played pretty well. I thought the elements affected them quite a bit. The other guy that played really well was Saquon.

Let's talk Saquon then. Finish with 26 carries, 205 in a countdown, broke off TD runs of 62 and 78. God damn. The guy's just absolutely taken over every fucking game he's in. He seems to be instoppable in a force that you just got to weather, and you can't fucking stop this thing. Let's see both of these clips, though. I want to see both of these to the house. Speed kills, especially in the fucking snow. Looks like this is the 62 yard of this, the first one.

This is the first one.

Very similar to the in-season countdown that he had against him.

Interesting is that, can you go back to the start of this? Both of these plays, I believe, were inside zones. They hit front side. Typically, that play has a tendency to roll behind it. Good job by Cam. God, that was a great block.

Technically, it hit in the A gap, so it hit where you think it would.

Yeah, but I mean, normally it rolls behind the center.

Yeah, it stays on that hash.

Actually, that might not have been. That was a strong side inside zone.

Yeah, great kick-out block by my guy Dallas Godert. Was that even inside zone?

Go back to this. Let me see.

This guy, who gives this shit? It's 100% inside zone. Right? Yes. Outside zone, the running back takes three steps past the midline. Come on, Jason, you know this. God damn it, I'm doing this too the other day, Mike. The second clip, though, came at one of the most crucial points in the fucking game. Fourth quarter, five Five minutes to go. Now, this is the inside zone.

This is the inside split zone, the tight ends whacking back. Landon Diggerson does a phenomenal job. They're going out to this overhang player. He bangs the guy that he thinks he's going to end up and out on top of the tackle as that outside backer folds back in and then tracks him on the front side of this. And then Kam Jurgen's has a huge block as well.

Yeah, I was about to say, what screws that stuff up is, I mean, very similar. Just hand the ball off and let him just find the crease.

He just has a knack for finding his way on these plays. He really does.

What I like about this, though, is that Jordan Malata hangs in there. He doesn't get too much depth.

He does such a good job. They could have very easily got thinned out right there, and they Two guys are blocking one. Stout would call that Asparegous, when all of a sudden the outside guy folds in behind. It's not like a design game. He just flows naturally in behind the other detacle.

Why are we calling it Asparegous?

I don't know because he didn't know what to call it. I think it's literally why he called it Aspergus. I don't know what to call this. Call it Aspergus. So then he just called it Aspergus.

If it can make sense, it's Aspergus because that's what we call it. But Landon does such a great job of knocking that out, tracking his guy, blocking.

I mean, he blocked him here, three people in that play. Then Kam Jurgen's has the hard job, held up with the nose, and he just does a fantastic job. And this thing goes for a big one. This was the game-sealing run. Not, it was.

Well, you say it was the game-sealing run, but the Rams definitely had a chance.

Yeah, they had an opportunity.

They did. They definitely had a chance, and he got a lot closer than that.

I shouldn't say that. It wasn't the game-sealing. They had an opportunity at the end.

Huge momentum booster, though.

Huge run. Saquon, obviously, another unbelievable game against the Rams.

200 plus yards, man. This guy's running for 200 plus in the playoffs. Holy shit. Do we know that's the guy we need to stop? Are we locked into our IDs? Are we playing our gaps? Easier said than done, obviously, with that type of offensive line, tight ends, the way the wide receivers are in there in the run game, how the Eagles spread everybody out with the RPOs. And then on top of that, the way Saquon can just set up fucking blocks and absolutely knife the defense and hit the holes and speed, confidence, bulldozer, break arm tackles. I mean, he's been doing it all, and he's playing confident, I think there's such an underrated part of his game is setting blocks and being able to...

His vision, I'm telling you, we never got a chance to witness it with the Giants because the line just wasn't that capable, to be honest with you.

Well, They were dealing with injuries, it felt like every single fucking year.

I guess. But I'm just letting him behind this offensive line and watching him able to manipulate blocks, hit plays frontside that I didn't think were... Nobody I've seen do that. There was a same side run. I was bringing up all the time where he gets in, then he gets back out. He's just got an insane feel for the game.

You want to be good at running back? Figure out how the linemen are taught to block this play. Don't just go out there and just be like, Give me the ball, and I'm going to just run through the A gap or the B gap. Figure out how guys are being blocked and how the scheme is supposed to be.

I've never talked to this with him, but I feel like the best backs I've played with, similar to the way you play tight-end. You have your first read and your second read when you're running a play. But I feel like you do that when you're practicing. When you're in the game, I feel like a lot of it is just natural feel for how the game is being played and what is happening in front of you. You're not so narrowed in. There's so many guys I run outside zone with where they run to the first read. It's like, Brother, there's a cutback lane two steps ago. Why didn't you just hit that shit? You know what I mean? And It feels like he's got that ability to see it. I wonder if he's just doing that all on instinct and natural ability in the game as opposed to... I don't know. Does that make sense?

No, 100%. You got to have a feel for the game, understand the structure in the scheme, but you still have to have a feel for the game and then be able to go out there and just play ball, man. That's what he's doing right now, man. He's playing the best ball of anybody right now with the running back position. As an O-line, what is it like when you know you're blocking for a guy who can break it at any time?

I don't know that I- Have you already not had one? Yeah. I mean, I play with some really good backs. Ryan Matthews was an underrated back. Obviously, the Sean McCoy was the best one I played with.

Ryan Matthews, Ryan Matthews, Fresno State.

Darren Sproles. I played with some big play ability guys. And to me, I don't think you really ever are blocking thinking about that big play. Now, it might be different because Saquon's had so many of them this year. But I was always just like, Hey, Just block it till the whistle. Then you just knew when you had a big play like that, it was such a momentum shift. It's just like a... It is a huge, huge, just great feeling for the entire unit. And then you just get to go walk off to the sideline and you're like, Yeah, that's fun. Let's go do that again. I'll do that as many times as I want. I don't got to grind out a 15-play drive. Yeah, let's just have those big ones. That's fun.

Shady McCoy tweeted out, My boy going for 200 yards cards again as he added, Saquon. I mean, he just knew. He knew what day it was going to be and that Saquon is just in the zone right now.

Well, and you know this, Trav, but the snow is to the benefit, in my opinion, at least, to the running game because the defensive line is the ones that have to make a play. They're the ones that have to go out of their way to beat an offensive player. We get to sit on double teams. We get to just plod forward. The defensive guys have to be the ones that cut and make a play where Saquan, if he just hit something 100 miles an hour, a guy to try and go regain his foot and get over there, tackle. I always feel like whenever it's raining or snow, the run game is going to be more impactful in the outcome of the game?

I think if it's a snow game, I'm going to have a big game.

As a pass catcher? Yeah. So maybe, why do you think that?

Well, one, because Pat Mahomes can sling that ball in anything. It doesn't matter if it's rain, sleet, or snow. But also, I'm heavier than the DBs, which means my feet are going into the ground more, which means it's not so much ice for me, and on top of that, I grew up playing hockey. I know how to even run on place. So I feel like I have the upper hand.

So you just have a more acclimatized- I can move.

Yeah, just a more acclimatized game.

Yeah. Snow neutralizes speed to a certain extent.

Oh, yeah, baby. I need everybody to just come on Slow down just a little bit from me, baby.

Yeah, come on down to this. Remember we used to play Yukon, and the Yukon used to grow their grass out longer just to slow the game down and make you play their freaking power football?

Bears do it. The fucking Green Bay does it.

Yeah. Smart.

Smart. If you don't have fast guys.

That's right. If you have fast guys, make that attract me. All right, anyway. Shout out to Saquon and Le'Chawn McCloy for being the best snowman in the box I've ever seen.

Well, it wasn't just the offense that was firing Man, Jalen Carter. Bro. Artibly the best game of his career, maybe. Five tackles, three QB hits, two sacs, PBU, force fumble. I mean, what else is that? That's the stat stuffer right there. He hit just about every defense outside of an interception in a fumble recovery. He hit just about every defensive statistic you could possibly hit.

It was insane. He made all of these huge plays in really important parts of it. The forced fumble, the sack, obviously, on the third and two, right before the last play of the game for the Rams. He had so many huge plays. I don't know which one you would narrow it down to, but I think nobody impacted the game more, probably on either team than J. O. Carter.

Straight up.

Outside of maybe Saint Juan.

No, I'm with you. The sack on third and two at the end of the game, it's like me sitting in the middle of the fucking field wide open. You got to block the biggest guy on the fucking field, guys. And you would rather have two on them than none.

So he kept doing this. He kept slanting down inside. How was the game plan with the game on the line, not the double Jalen Carter? I don't know how that's not the game plan.

Yeah, dude. I get it, man. Football is a hard game, man.

I'm happy about it, but- It's a hard game. It's not that hard. I mean, they made it harder for themselves. Secure that detackle first, especially when he's freaking Jalen Carter. That blew my mind.

It's a weird sense that a lot of great defensive linemen have. They feel this leverage point where you're giving them too much pressure. The moment you get too much pressure and you get just a little bit off balance, they're fucking swimming you. They're fucking ripping, they're spinning. They're using the momentum and the strength you have against you. The great ones just have an ability to put somebody in a mental blizzard all day by playing with the speed to power the hands and the juke moves, man.

So the biggest thing I'm trying to do against him is, first of all, double-team them. I'm doing everything I can, whoever is blocking, to at least put a hand on him.

Which one is the mic?

At least put a hand on him.

The three technique is the mic today.

Even if you got to block this guy over here, drag. Do not just go straight out there. We ain't fucking doing that today, all right? And if I got to go over here, I'm going to drag for you. That's how we're going to do this. We're not going to give this guy space.

A drag for the non-football head is what?

If I'm going away from him, I'm not just going go away and do my assignment. I'm going to stick my hand out to limit the amount of space that that guy has to work with.

There it is. You're going to limit the space. Nice.

And the tackle can do that, the center can do that, or the guard can do that, depending on what technique he's in. But I'm limiting space. I'm applying. I'm trying to get him before he gets going, and I'm getting ready when I quick set him for that quick hunt move. That's what I'm trying to think about in the back of my head. Then after that, he's going to beat me nine times out of 10 if I'm not doubling him anyway.

I was about to say, just fucking help. Yeah.

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Let's move on to the rest of the A shout-out to the Eagles and good luck next week against the Commanders. And speaking of the Commanders, rest of the games, Commanders 45, lines 31. No one in the world thought that the Commanders were going to come out on top in this one.

I'll I'll be honest, I think Scott Van Pelt... Svp, he's a Commander's homer because he's from the area.

I was about to say he's a Washington guy. He's that DMV area.

I have not thought the commanders were ready for this all season. I feel like I always felt like they were a year away, even with the rookie quarterback playing great. It just felt like they don't have as many talented guys as you would want, and they continually do it. They just have continued to play better. I think Dan Quinn, and this is not a fucking groundbreaking take, what Dan Quinn has up there with that defense has been nothing short or remarkable. I think he is having those guys play so great right now. It was a huge get getting Bobby Wagner this offseason. I really feel like that's accelerated the vision of a lot of things happening out there in defense.

That's the guy. That's the guy that's making it happen.

So the Eagles played the commanders last time in the first game, and they had almost 100 yards rushing. Not the first, the last time they played, in the second game. The Eagles almost had 100 yards rushing. Maybe they did have 100 yards rushing in the first half. And when they ran this counterplay, and it was there. They had a huge hit on it. Then all of a sudden, you saw them adjust to it. Bobby is screaming over... The tight end couldn't block him. He had no chance on the wide block, the double-team block, to collect Bobby Wagner. He kept beating him. Daron Payne started looping outside a lane and making the play. They adjust so well to what you're doing on the day. They listened to calls really well. I felt like they did that well in Dallas when Dan Quinn was down there. Everything he does, they're not overly complicated on defense, but he gives those guys freedom to make plays. He coaches them well. If you have any type of tendency that's going to give the play away, run pass, what run it is, formation will Bills, anything. They are going to sniff it out.

And they play so disciplined across the board. That being said, their offense, they were the reason they beat the lines. They weren't stopped. They punted one time. They I went for it on fourth down a bunch.

Which they got a bunch of fucking veteran-proven guys on that side of the ball. Zack Ertz, the offensive line, a veteran offensive line, two Super Bowl champs over there. Halecretti, Wiley. Andrew Wiley, baby. On top of that, they got guys like, Echler is a very savvy vet. And I think they got a lot of guys that have that confidence of, I've been doing this a very long time. I know how to win. I know how to have success, and I know how to be accountable. Then you mix that in with a young quarterback that's very confident, does the work, understands a great scheme under Kingsbury. I mean, it makes sense. He's got wide receivers all over the place, making fucking big time fucking plays.

Yep. I mean, obviously, McLaren is the biggest one, but they still got Zack Hertz out there.

Hertz is making fucking big plays. Big third down, big in the red zone.

They're a well-balanced offense. They run the ball really well. We're talking about Echler, he's a great third down back. He does some good... He'll have some good runs, too. But Brian Robinson gets north and south very well. Jaden Daniels with the reads. And then all of a sudden, if you want to stop that read stuff, you got to sneak somebody down in the box to take it away. And then they throw it over your head. They are very conducive, offensively. Conducive. Nice. Is that the word I'm looking for?

Sure. They're very- I like the way you sold me.

Yeah, they're very complementary offensively. And I think Kingsbury is doing a phenomenal job right now.

Somebody's in there, the Thoris. No, seriously, they're hitting on all cylinders. And the lions were fucking hitting on all cylinders, too, man. That was probably the funnest of the three games, the other two games that I watched or three games that I watched.

For sure.

That one was just nonstop action. It ripped my fucking heart out seeing Coach Campbell go down. And And that lines team was super fun to watch, man. But the commanders, they earned that one, man.

And what's particularly rough about the lines losing this one is they're losing Ben Johnson. He's going to Chicago. It's already been stated, which, shout out to Chicago, way to get a hell of a coach.

We'll see.

I think Aaron Glenn has said that he might leave. So this was the last year of this group, including that coaches, to get it done. And they just got so decimated by injuries. Even as an NFC fan, I think everybody was like, Man, it would be cool to see the Lions. He'll win the Super Bowl this year.

Yeah, no. I didn't think it was that cool.

I think everybody feels for what they went through as a team. I don't know, man. It just sucks.

Losing does suck. Do you think the Bear's offensive linemen are like, Dude, fuck, yeah. We get fucking Ben Johnson. Dude, I'm about to start scoring some touch downs.

They got some athletic They're right tackles now.

I was about to say, some hook and laterals to their fucking tackles?

Their right tackle, I remember when he was coming, I'm trying to remember his name. Oh my gosh. But he can run now. He's a pretty athletic dude. God damn, what's his name? D, something with a D. Ds. Nuts. Don't know right, right. Yeah, don't know right. Don't know right, right. Yeah. Speaking of Ben Johnson going to Chicago, there are fans out there, especially lines fans, that are upset about them interviewing for other jobs. That's right.

Why?

I think there's a perception from fans that you can't prepare your team as much as possible and interview for these coaching positions. Erroneous.

Erroneous on all accounts.

We dealt with something similar in Philly when we lost to you guys with Jonathan Gannon, who had went to Arizona. I think he was more involved with the Gannon thing, but I always felt like he was a reach.

I lost Doug Peterson. I lost Matt Nagui. I was about to say all the best coaches. Eric B. N. In Mike Kafka, four out of... Basically, every offensive coordinator that I've ever had has gone somewhere else, and we've still had success. You have to give those guys the opportunity to better on their careers, to strive for a new position. That's the honor of being one of the best in the league is that everybody gets an opportunity to take that next step if they get it. I don't think it's the reason why the Lion's lost. Their offense put up 31 fucking points.

Had 500 plus yards of offense.

That wasn't it by any means. Ben Johnson put together a great fucking game plan. Bills, 27. Ravens, 25. The last of the four playoff games. Did it live up to the hype? Of course it did. Two of the best quarterbacks in the league duking it out for four quarters in the snowman. It doesn't get more magical than that.

No, it doesn't. It was an awesome game. Obviously, came down to that last drive. Everybody's talking about the Mark Andrews drop because obviously, that was a two-point play that would have tied it up.

Fuck, man.

I will say this. Even before the drop, I was thinking in my head, they scored way too fast. There was over a minute 30 left You can't control on how fast you score, though. Yes, you can. You got to know.

You got to just fucking score, man. When you can get a countdown, when you need a countdown-I will say it's different when you need a countdown.

You need a countdown, you got to score.

All I'm saying is- You don't need a countdown and a two-point to tie it.

Let's say, all I'm saying, Mark Andrews catches that pass. What happens?

You give yourself a chance for your defense to get a big stop.

No, I'm just saying, what do you think would have happened? I'm not saying they did the wrong thing. I'm not saying that.

I'm not going to play what it could have, should have.

I will. I think the Bills would have gone down there and kicked the field goal anyway. I'm just trying to say, Mark Andrews catching that pass wouldn't have mattered.

I would have loved to see what the Bills could have done with it tied up like that. It's good fucking football.

There's no question. Everybody wanted it.

I like to see everybody playing and showing Knowing their best. Yes, thriving.

One of my favorite playoff games I've ever witnessed was you guys playing Josh Allen in the Bills in the infamous comeback game with the 16 seconds or whatever the hell was on the clock because it felt like everybody was playing so well. Josh was playing great. Pat was playing great. That's fun football to watch. You don't ever want to watch something like that end up being the deciding factor in the game, in my opinion. It's just not as fun to watch.

I'm with you. I'm with you.

Either way, though, outstanding season for the Ravens, and Bills are going to be coming to throw ahead next week.

A lot's going to be said about how the Ravens, quote, unquote, lost that game, but the Bills fucking showed up.

For sure.

The Bills played their tails off 27 points against that Ravens defense. It's And it's damn good.

The Bills, yeah. The Bills were fantastic as they've been all year, especially towards the end of the year. They freaking have come on really strong. It's been inspiring watching the way this team has come together. I think Josh Allen, after the game, you could tell, man, they feel like they've been doubted heavily this year, and they were. I mean, there was a lot of players on the offense that people had not heard of that have showed up and have risen to the occasion. They play very complementary football with the run game with James Cook and a lot of the misdirections. The backs are really active in the passing game. The defense showed up big. I mean, Derrick Henry didn't have a bad day, but he didn't have the big day that he did the first time around when they played these guys. And credit to those guys and Sean McDermott for figuring out a way to slow that rushing attack down a little bit. Overall, this was an awesome game between two of the best teams in the NFL, and kudos to the Bills, for sure.

Yeah. And I'm excited, man.

We're going to get a great one this again.

It's going to be... You know me, I love going up against the best, man. The bills are playing just as good as anybody in the fucking league right now. Yes, they are. I'm excited for it to be Championship Sunday at Arrowhead, baby.

Let's go.

Well, let's go ahead and talk about some previews for Sunday, the NFC Championship, Commanders at Eagles. Jason, got any keys to the game or just right off the bat? Have you ever played a team three times?

Yes, I played the New York Giants three times the year that we went to the Super Bowl against you guys. What is that like?

I've never played a team more than twice.

It feels weird, especially when they've been three meaningful games. The one game we had against the Giants was we were resting guys a little bit into the playoffs. Whenever you play a team twice, you know how this works. The first game plays and you see what you did well, what they did well. You go into the next game prepared to either keep doing what you did well or be ready for this. If they do this again, this is how we're going to react. And now you're doing that for a third time. It's like, man, they know exactly what we're going to do and what our counter is. So it's always interesting to see how teams respond to a third game against each other. I think the Philadelphia Eagles, defensively, the key to game, you got to stop the rushing attack. This team, I know Jaden Daniels is a great quarterback, and he's known to push the ball down the field, but I really think a lot of it is set up with the ground game, Brian Robinson, they get into a lot of manageable third and fourth down situations. And if it's manageable at all, fourth down is going to be a go-forward situation.

Try and keep them out of that as much as possible. Easier said than done. They're as good as, like we've said before, complementary team. They do a lot of things well. They don't make mistakes. This is not a team you can go into turning the ball over and making mistakes. They will capitalize on it. They will make you pay. Those are the big ones for me. Obviously, offensively, I think that we can run the ball as long as we're executing everything properly. If you go back to that last game against Washington, and credit to Washington now, they adjusted well in the second half, and they really started shutting down our runs for the day. But if the Eagles take care of business and everybody does their job, I think that they should be able to have a successful day on the ground. But this is a really good team. Both of these teams are great. Dan Quinn coaches these guys so well. They have Jonathan Allen back this time around. He's a great player. Bobby Wagner is as good of a defensive leader as you're going to find in this league. I'm looking forward to watching it.

Freaking crazy that an NFC East divisional game is going to decide the NFC champions.

That's fucking nuts. I can only imagine, AFC West I can't even fathom it, man, trying to fucking go toe to toe with a team that knows everything about you, man.

A lot of familiarity here, and that makes a difference. I brought that up earlier. There's one thing I think Dan does a great job of. Those guys are well-coached. They know what they're looking for formationally. They know what their keys are. I've always felt like no matter where he's been at, he schemes things and lets those guys operate in the scheme and teaches them well on how to react stuff. You see it in the way that they adjusted last game, and that's a battle that's going to happen in this game.

Nice.

Well, AFC Championship, Bills at Chiefs. Trav, what's the keys of the game?

I'm not going to tell you those.

That's fair.

Yeah, I'll leave that to- Can I say mine?

I'll say mine.

Well, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead and give me the keys to the game, Jason.

Yeah, I got you. Well, I'm giving the fans. I'm not giving Are you the keys to the game. These are what I think 92 percentters. Okay. Keys to the game. I don't know.

Good call. Well, we do know this. We got a few extra It happens on offense. I think we're a little bit healthier on the defensive side. So it doesn't mean that we'll have the upper hand just because of that. It's obviously these two great coach teams, two superstars at quarterback, and playmakers all over the board. The biggest thing for me is just going out there and playing my fucking tail off of these guys next to me, man. We're excited for that challenge to go up against these bills. We know they match up very good with us. It's a very familiar matchup. We've seen these guys a lot. We've seen them a lot in the playoffs and in the regular season. That being said, it's going to It's going to be a dogfight.

No doubt about it. I think, obviously, James Cook is such a huge integral part of that Bill's offense. Got to try and slow him down, but easier said than done. Josh is such a great... There's something really hard about stopping a passing attack that doesn't just zero in on specific playmakers. I mean, he spreads the ball around as good as anybody else. And then they're well-coached on defense. Come on now, Sean McDermon. Let's go. Sean McDermon, American Spagnola, Andy Reid, Joe braided, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes. This is going to be a fun game. Can't wait.

Fire me up, baby. Best on the best. That's what I love.

All right, before we get going with the rest of the show, it's time for Travis to duck out of here for a second because he can't be here for this next segment. It's too degenerate for him.

Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is. Yeah.

Joining me now is intern Hey.

Hey. We've only got two games this weekend. It's almost done. Oh, my God. Jason, I'm going to build us a single-game parlay. Okay. Hit me. We're going to build a little single-game parlay here, looking at just the Eagles and Commanders. Got it. I got six picks, so we'll look down to three. What do you like better? Saquon Barkley, over 100 rushing yards, or Jaden Daniels, two passing touchstones?

I'm picking this or you're doing this?

You're the expert. You inform me. I'm thorn. I don't know.

Saquon, over 100.

Okay. All right. Jaden Daniels out of here. All right. Do we like Jaden Carter over one sack or Jaden Daniels over one interception? I have a favorite, but I want to hear the expert.

I mean, with the way Jaden Carter played last game, I'm going to go with Jaden Carter. All right. Last pair here.

Saquon Barkley, anytime TD scorer or Jelen Hertz, anytime TD scorer. Is he going to house one or are we push-pushing?

I'll go with Jalen Hertz, anytime TD score.

There we go. That leaves us with Saquon, over 100 yards. Jalen Carter, over one sack, and Jalen Hertz, anytime TD score. That is our single-game parlay. That means your odds on that single-game parlay are plus 360. $10 pays you $46.

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All righty. After hearing you guys talk about obscure Sports on Wundery Plus exclusive, I need to know if you all consider hobbyhorsing a sport. No, I do not consider hobbyhorsing a sport?

There's no way.

I don't consider a lot of things a sport, though, that people call sports. So I'm not really... This isn't so much just a hobbyhorse thing.

I just think that- Why is this a thing?

Hobbyhorsing?

Oh, my gosh.

I mean, it's There's like larping and this thing right here, whatever this is. I mean, there's some form involved. I'll go. I'll go see what it's about. Hey, if Wyatt could jump over a hurdle like that with a wooden horse between her legs, that's pretty I'm impressive. Watch this. Look at this hurdle. I just think this is the type of stuff you open yourself to when you allow judges to be a part of sports. I just don't think judging sports are there's a goal scored and somebody has more points in the other team at the end of the day. I don't want to hear somebody's opinion on what my score should have been. I want to know, did I score? Is there a goal in the net? That's a point. I don't need to hear you tell me that I didn't- Did I beat this person in the race?

Tell me that I didn't- Did I throw this further than them?

I don't need you to tell me it was my fucking high knee form, correct or not? Get the fuck out of here. That's my only problem with this, is that it's a judge sport. Now, highest jump, listen, that's a sport. That's a sport. The jumping, whoever could jump over the highest obstacle with a goddamn wooden horse in between your leg, I can get on that with being a sport because there's no subjectiveness to it. It's like, Hey, if you jumped over the higher fucking rung, you fucking win. There was a second part to this question. Also, who would win a hobby horse in competition between Travis, Jason, Jets, Jake, and Intern Brandon.

It sounds like Jason would.

I don't think I would. I definitely went in the jumping contest.

I'm definitely not doing it.

Well, then you're definitely not winning. So I guess, I think- I'm out. It's really between me, Jets, Jake, and Enter Brandon, would you partake in this?

Yeah, sure.

Intern Brandon, in case you can you hear? Why not? Can you hear me? I don't know. I can hear you. I don't know if they can. I don't know how this works sometimes. I'm recorded.

We figured out that mechanism two weeks ago. It's been pretty I guess.

There we go.

We're advancing the podcast at all times.

Just Jake, would you try this? From experience, my sister did this, and it's the dumbest fucking thing ever. She's run around our backyard jumping over horse things. Julia, I love you. Sorry for blowing your spot up on a national podcast. Have you ever told your sister this? All the time.

You used to go to them? You used to have to go to her competitions? No, she didn't compete in these.

She just had them in our backyard, and we just run over the jumps.

Oh, well, if it's a kid that's in the backyard being a kid, that's one thing. She was in high school. Oh, my God.

Julia, I love you.

That's so good. Everybody's got their hobby.

From Ashley Guno, If Travis is El Trevidor when he has the mustache, what is his name when he has the playoff beard?

Oh, the playoff beard. I go a little less Spanish, and I go more like...

Nordic? Celtic. Keltic. I was thinking more Viking.

What did I say?

Keltic. I mean, listen, the Irish people have beards, too. I feel like yours, I think it might be red beard.

It's not that red.

Because in the playoff mode, especially, there's an anger that you play with.

It's not that red.

It's a little red. It's got some tinge to it.

No, you're trying to give me more than that.

I'm not trying to get you. I'm trying to give you something. I think it's like- It's like brown. I think red beard is a great... It's not black beard. No. It's definitely not black beard. I don't think it's brown beard. I think it's red beard.

It's definitely brown beard.

It's red beard.

It's not red beard.

If somebody saw that beard and they were like, give it a color, they would say red beard.

No, they would not.

Brandon, come in here. What would you call that beard? Not the actual color, but if you were going to nickname that beard.

Let me get in. Travis, get a little closer.

Come on.

You get what you get.

Let the light hit it, too.

There's red in there. There's red in there. That means it's red beard.

I'm not shitting on you. I think it's awesome. Red beard is a great name.

Red beard is a good one. It sounds more... Red beard is more pirate. Redbeard is more pirate. That's a pirate name. That's a pirate name.

He's mad.

Yeah, I'm not mad at all. There's nothing wrong with someone having a red beard. I'm saying you're throwing me into a boat that I'm not in. There's people out here with actual red beards.

Well, Yeah, there's redder beards. I just think if you have any redness to your beard, you can be called red beard, just like I can be called white beard, gray beard. Not yet. No. But red beard, I think it's a little bit more lenient. No.

This is why they're all dumb questions.

What's a good... I'm just thinking of good beard nicknames. What's a good Nordic freaking-You can't look it up. Nordic for Travis.

This is what I'm saying. You can't look it up. It's just look at it, feel the energy.

How do you say Travis and Norse?

You did this, Brandon.

I know. It might just be Travis.

I fucked up. I can't leave open-ended questions in the show anymore.

Viking names. What? What about Ragnar? Ragnar is great.

Dude, Ragnar is great. Did I nail it? That's great.

Similar to Travis.

It's nowhere near you.

Translate the Travis.

God damn it, Jason.

Keltic.

God damn it. Jason's stuck. He's in a worm hole. He doesn't get out of these things. You did this. I know. Every week I do this, and I reflect upon this. I'm like, Never do that again. Tomaslav, the first king of Croatia. Travislav? Travisly.

Travisly? Good. Travis Slav. I mean, Slavic. Fuck.

You got there, Travis. Thank you.

Travis Slav.

Travis Slav.

Travis Slav.

When you say it like that, it actually is Travis Slav. There it is. You have to say it more Russian.

Why Russian?

Say it more Arnold.

Travis Slav.

There it is. I am Travis Slav.

Travis Slav. That's good. That's real good.

That's funny. It's funny as fuck.

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To the 92 %. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you, man. Get fired up for some Championship football, baby. Some of my favorite things to do after a game, after a big play, is go listen to the different calls from around the world of the play. Is this Japan? Travis Kelsi.

Dude, did we just come up with a a bit. We have to describe the play. We have to guess the play based on a foreign nation's calling of the play.

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