In this episode of I've Had It, Jennifer Welch and Don Lemon react to the 2026 midterm elections and the fallout inside the White House. They discuss why they see Democratic wins in Texas, Michigan and elsewhere as a rebuke of Trump, and debate whether accountability efforts should go alongside policy work.
The hosts also examine Chuck Schumer's leadership, the role of progressive candidates such as Angie Nixon and Abdul El-Sayed, and how campaign money shaped the results. Listeners will hear the hosts' views on corporate media coverage, Israel and free speech debates, and religion in politics.
The conversation is opinionated, and many claims are the hosts' own assessments.
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This is all Donald Trump's fault. He puts her face in there, "Darling, kiss my grade my ass."
I don't know where Taiwan is, and you can just kiss my ass. Well, guess what, darling—
All right, welcome to the Weekend Read: a Welch's Lemonade production.
Here we are. You're in a mood. You're happy.
You know what? Yes.
Come here, my dear.
I am a sweet winner.
It was— you got what you wanted. You wanted a Blue Nami, and you got it.
Got it, baby.
Look, blue. I got all the blue today.
It is a Blue Nami. How good does it feel?
It feels really good. And you know what? At first I said I wasn't going to gloat, and then I saw this great thing of Keisha Lance Bottoms walking on this platform, and they played— they had music going with it, Frank Ocean. And I was like, you know what? You can gloat. And by the way, not only women have been waiting for this for years, but Black women have been waiting for this. It's 2026, and we've never had a Black woman governor in the United States. I mean, come on. I thought about my mom, who's in her 80s now, but when she started out— and I remember when she was working, she— my mom has a master's and almost a doctorate, but then she had kids, whatever.
She could only get a job as a secretary. And then the white ladies would come in, high school degrees, and they would put her— put the above her. And so I think about all those women who went through that. Women in general, but especially Black women who went through that.
Especially Black women.
And I think last night was a night of the woman, and I— and the Black woman. And you know what, ladies? Gloat as much as you fucking want. Go ahead and gloat and celebrate.
And I just want to point out, to Black women: your votes— you literally vote for survival because you take it from all, everybody. But your votes end up helping everyone, and consistently, time and time again, democracy and the rights of all people— if you look at this right here, Black women always, always, always show up and vote for the Democrats. Every single time.
We have 91%—
92% Black women.
92%. Black women 92% voted to save democracy. It's just incredible stuff. All right. First and foremost, the election was too big to wreck. So we're not hearing all of this, "Wait, wait, they cheated." We're not hearing that because as you and I have been beating the drum, it has to be too big to wreck. So let's pop this up. Advisors to President Donald Trump privately acknowledge that the outcome of Tuesday's elections were so favorable to Democrats that they do not anticipate the Trump administration pushing to challenge results on a broad scale, if at all.
It was essentially too big to wreck. I wonder where they heard that, a Trump advisor told me, referencing one of the president's favorite phrases of his 2024 presidential win. In other words, let me— let me translate that into Trumpian language for you. They are not going to pitch hissy fits and act like the little babies that they are.
Yeah. But it doesn't mean that Donald Trump is not going to have hissy fits. But the ones that would have some meat— that would mean anything— is if he's trying to sue, if he's trying to get voting information, all the things, subpoenas. He can't do that. It was too big to wreck all over the country.
How good is it after the gerrymandering, after the Supreme Court, after all the shenanigans they started pulling? That even the gerrymandered seats— all of them, all of the gerrymandered seats went to Democrats except for two. It backfired.
Yeah. Now tell me, now, do you remember this? I'm old enough to remember when they were trying to gerrymander the seats in Texas. And remember the Texas legislators? The Democrats left town. Do you remember that?
Yes, yes.
Yeah. Guess who's in control of Texas now?
The Democrats.
A Democrat. A Democrat. It backfired.
What about the attorney general in Texas? Democrat.
A Democrat.
What about presidential pardons don't cover state charges? What about Elon Musk in Texas? Looks a little vulnerable. Looks like that half a bill.
You know, it probably— it just galls me when people say they shouldn't spend all their time now going after and subpoenaing and impeaching.
Who are you talking to? You're talking to us?
You can do both.
Yeah.
You can make people's lives better, and you can hold them accountable. There's a difference between accountability and retribution.
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And people need to be held accountable. The Trump administration or the Trump regime, all of these people need to be held accountable, especially for what's happening with ICE. Especially with, you know, what they're doing with trying to stop people from voting. They need to be held accountable for that.
Yeah. And we need to stop them. They are actively in the commission of crimes. Actively right now.
Get the evidence now, Democrats.
It needs to stop right now. Okay. The White House is in shambles, as you can imagine.
You mean the decor?
All of it. All of the above. It's delicious. Pop this up. The White House is spiraling out of control after a massive loss for the Republicans. White House staffers play the blame game as purge begins. White House insiders are calling for Susie Wiles to be fired after she promised— she promised Trump a historic win in the midterms. Off with her head, they say.
Yeah. Well, she's going to get the brunt of it. You know why?
She's a woman.
Yes. And she's a closest. Donald Trump will lash out at anybody who's near him, just as— just as he will take anybody's advice into account. If it's the last person in his ear, that's what he'll go to the podium and say. And so she's going to get the brunt of it because she's there and she's running things. But Donald Trump really runs things. If you— you think it was Susie Wiles' idea? Maybe it was. If it wasn't, she deserves to be fired. To have Donald Trump go out the day before a historic election and stand at a reflecting pole that he fucked up and then algae and spent tens of millions of American dollars and couldn't get it straight, to do a press conference when people are literally in America starving?
People are paying higher food prices, higher gas prices, inflation is higher. There's an illegal war going on. And you decide to talk about grass and algae? Then you get what you have to deserve.
Careless. We got another photo. This is the algae. This is the algae. And I fixed it all.
It was a mess.
Pipes and the jets and Obama. Hussein Obama.
And I'm sure it has something to do with El Sayed.
Oh, of course.
Because— and you know, if they come in and then a jihadist is not going to fix the thing, like it's always— that's, you know, it's always something crazy.
Okay.
Yes, ma'am.
There's just more stuff going on. So Elon Musk is now scrubbing his Twitter feed.
Why is that?
I don't know. These people are so weird. But pop this up. So as you can see here, people are screen recording. Like where he tweeted, like, "Vote red." And, you know, "Talarico is going to trance your kid." And "Talafrico is a freako." Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. He's scrubbing the shit out of his Twitter feed right now. And this is the thing that just strikes me. Like, we talk a lot of shit in independent media, but I stand by what I say. If I err or something, I'm like, "Okay, I was wrong there.
I correct it and move on." These people just can morph and change their identity like that. I remember Kara Swisher told me, these guys— and she just tweeted this after the election— that all of the tech people will immediately, like, pop up their pronouns and gay pride flags with their companies. They just follow where the winds blow. They believe in nothing.
Yep. Well, you think Elon Musk is going to start sucking up to Democrats now? Because he's— that is never going to— well, he might do it, but Democrats are not going to let him back in the parliament.
No.
He can't come to the cookout. They're not going to let him come to the cookout. I'm sorry.
No.
Considering— look at what he did in Washington, D.C. Look at what he did with Doge. How many people's careers he ruined. And lives, in many ways. Look at what he did for— you know, what they did with USAID. I don't think that they'll let him back in. I think— I think, in my opinion, he's worried about his government contracts. And he's worried about some action that these lawmakers, these new lawmakers, Democratic lawmakers, may take. And if there are any state charges, then he's vulnerable. Donald Trump has already said he's going to pardon him, pre-pardon him.
So we'll see. I don't know why— that's weird that he would scrub it. Why can't he just stand by it?
Stand by it. Yeah. I mean, we all know we have the— where you gave almost half a billion nationally to spend on losers. Absolute losers, Elon. You're a loser. You spent half a billion dollars on losers. Ken Paxton, loser.
Oh my gosh. Can we talk about this though? Ken Paxton got routed.
Ugh.
I mean.
Wrecked. Just wrecked.
Drugged.
Yes.
Just.
Dragged.
Dragged.
They put him on the back of that Texas pickup truck and just accelerated. I mean, drug all over the state. Filth.
Yeah. And guess what? Donald Trump is responsible for Texas.
He is.
Donald Trump is responsible, in some ways, from Michigan. Michigan was blue, you know. But he's responsible for South Carolina as well. This is all Donald Trump's fault.
Yeah. Those are his two kids.
Put your face in there. Darling, here's my great, my ass. My ass. How many syllables in ass?
Kiss my ass.
My ass.
You can just— I don't know where Taiwan is, and you can just kiss my ass. Well, guess what, darling?
Did you see the tweet that the Daily Show did?
She got her ass kicked.
Did you see the tweet that the Daily Show did?
No.
Okay. Kylie will find it. Kylie will find it. We'll pop it up. Pop it up when you find it, Kylie. So Darling Graham, in particular, to me, she is an everyday MAGA politician.
Yeah.
Okay. The Hill breaks that Darling Graham falls to Democrat Annie Andrews. And the Daily Show retweets that and puts, "Touching. Darling Graham honors her brother, the late Lindsey Graham, by finishing on bottom." It's too good. It's too good.
Finishing on the bottom?
It's too good.
You think everybody's getting it? Hopefully.
Oh, our listeners are smart. Okay. Let's move on. Talarico. He has gone to Fox News and he is calling for investigations. Play the clip.
Speaking of which, last night you called it a broken corrupt system. If your Democratic colleagues pursue hearings and investigations via the Senate or the House side, will you support that or not?
Well, I will support checks and balances, ensuring that each branch of our government is holding the other branches accountable. That's necessary as part of our constitutional order. But my mandate as the next U.S. Senator from Texas is to deliver for the people of my state, the people of this country, to bring down costs, to root out corruption, to create new jobs, and get this economy back on track. That is my mandate. I am not interested in retribution.
So those deliverables, where people are now, the narrative is going to be, "Oh, the Democrats are just focused on retribution." That is a deliverable. Us seeking justice is actually delivering for the American people, along with lower gas prices. But accountability, and whether it's retribution, accountability, seeking justice, stopping the commission of crimes, that is a deliverable that they now have a mandate to deliver upon. If we do not have accountability for any of this, then you just incubate a President Nick Fuentes or Tucker Carlson down the road.
In order to preserve democracy, we have to go full tilt on this.
Yeah. You have to hold people accountable, as we said, because if you don't, then the next person will think that they can do it. Right? And they'll try it. And the Republicans will not have learned a lesson. They don't learn lessons anyways. Unless they get beat, like they got beat this week in this election. That's when they learn lessons. And they will learn lessons if they start seeing their colleagues, their associates, their friends, or whatever, go in front of committees, answer questions publicly about malfeasance or cronyism. That's what will change them.
And so, Democrats, I know you're listening to people and they're saying, "Oh, we don't want you to go after people and spend your time." You can do both. You have to do both.
And I think that.
A lot of Democrats are going to be disappointed and they're going to lose support and they'll be back in the position that they were in before this week.
Exactly. And when you see polling where 88 percent of the electorate is concerned about corruption, that is a mandate, along with this blue NAMI baby, that the public is like, "Stop the corruption." That is a deliverable. And so, as a politician, you deliver on infrastructure, you deliver on healthcare, you deliver on all these different bills. One deliverable is ending corruption, prosecuting corruption. I love Peggy Flanagan said, "We are going to rip ICE apart."
And I agree. I agree. We have to be bold. This whole old politics as usual. "Oh, Chuck Schumer's put the time in and, you know, he's next in line." No. Chuck Schumer is not the man of the moment. He needs to sit down. Yeah. He's got to go.
Yeah.
He can still be a senator, but he is too compromised.
I heard on this morning, I was getting dressed, and on one of the shows, they said, "And you got to give Chuck Schumer credit. He put the right people in place." It's like, "Wait, what?" And he's going to— and he should be the leader again.
Who did he put in place? Haley Stevens? She fucking lost. Who else? Vindman. Alex Vindman, who Angie Nixon ripped. And Alex Vindman, I'll never forgive, because he had $7 million left in his war chest from the primary.
Didn't give her.
And he told Angie he'd give it to her. Do you know how much he gave Angie?
What?
Zero. Chuck Schumer, you know how much he invested in Angie? Pennies. And so, I'm sorry, but Angie Nixon took on headwinds of the biggest order imaginable.
And came this close.
She came within one point. Republicans didn't beat Angie. The Democrats neglected her. They neglected her. She lost because of national neglect from the National Party. And I'm sorry, it's disqualifying. Chuck Schumer? Uh-uh. No. We need to do bold things. We're not doing the seniority system. That's your agreement. The electorate doesn't play by that.
Well, Chuck Schumer was— they're all concerned, right? The sort of centrist corporate Democrats are all concerned about the DSA. DSA. Okay, whatever that means. But for me, listening to people who are part of the DSA saying, "I want healthcare for everybody. I want people to be able to afford to do things, a living wage, Medicare for—" it's like, "Wait, what's wrong with that?" There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
I'll tell you what it is. The DSA is critical of the country of Israel. That's what it is.
That's what it is.
Centrist Democrats tried to censor speech.
APAC money.
Yes. That's the through line. And Angie Nixon is critical of Israel. Abdul El-Sayed is critical of Israel. And we get to, as Americans, we have a First Amendment right. We get to say, "I'm not down with Israel. I don't like the actions they do. I don't like the genocide. I don't want to fund it. I don't want anything to do with it." We get to say that. But why are there people from both parties that try to censor our speech on that? If I go off on Saudi Arabia, nobody's going to go, "Oh, Jennifer, you can't criticize the Saudis." So that needs to end.
But that's the problem. And we need to just rip the Band-Aid off and talk about it. It's the same thing with Hakeem Jeffries. He very tepidly, tepidly endorses Orhan Mamdani. Hakeem is in his district. Hakeem's district is in New York City. And at the very last minute, he barely endorsed him. Why? Because Hakeem takes APAC money. That's the problem. And I think we deserve politicians right now, in this moment, when we have a convicted felon in the middle of a pedophile ring that is ripping everybody off, taking taxpayer money, rewarding all of these bullshit contracts, all of these evil oligarchs.
We need a Speaker of the House and a Senate majority leader that aren't compromised, who can look in the camera and say, "I'm not compromised. I'm fighting for America, for democracy, and for Americans."
Two things. One is, who do you think would be a good House Speaker?
AOC, Ro Khanna. That'd probably be my top two. There's probably a couple I'm forgetting. I would love Summer Lee.
Garcia.
Garcia is incredible. But I like keeping him on oversight. But I love Summer Lee. She's incredible. Congresswoman Summer Lee is incredible. We have an incredible bench. And I like— I can talk about this with you. I like having a Black Speaker of the House. And so, I hope if they decide to oust Hakeem, Summer Lee is a Black woman. She is progressive. She fights for everybody. She doesn't take PAC money. That we keep that in place, because I think that's important.
That's something that the Democratic Party does, is tries to right generational wrongs, you know, a group that has been marginalized and pushed down and told that you can't do things. And I don't want to diminish Hakeem's ascension, because I know it's more difficult to do those things if you're a Black man. But along the way, Hakeem took money from people and it compromised him. And at this moment in time, we cannot have compromised leaders. We can't.
Yeah. I liked— was it Cindy Kamlagadov? I like her. For Senate, what do you think?
Oh, for Senate, I like Chris Murphy. Here's what I think. I say we go Bernie. He earned it.
Really?
Bernie's fought his ass off for this country forever. He's not bought. He's not paid for. You know who campaigned for Angie Nixon tirelessly at 83 years old down there, just barnstorming the state with her?
Yeah.
Bernie Sanders did. Bernie Sanders believed in her and fought for her and used his platform. And Bernie Sanders is the one that has injected into our electorate. The Democratic governing class, they're not for capitalism. They're for corporatism.
Yeah.
The governing Republican class, they're not for capitalism. They're for oligarchy.
Yeah.
And Bernie Sanders is the one that has taught us this and taught us that this unregulated capitalism harms the majority of us.
Well, that's what El-Sayed is doing. And that's how he won. If you talk to young people, they're on message with you. Every single person, I was in Michigan over the weekend before the election when the— excuse me, the whole Haley Stevens thing broke. And every single young person I spoke to, no matter where I was, was voting for El-Sayed because of what you said. That's what Mamdani says. That's what AOC has been saying for a while. And I think the corporate Democrats are afraid of them because they're exposing them.
And Angie, the other thing is, I was going to ask, have you ever met Angie?
Yeah, I had her on the pod, yeah.
Yeah. She's amazing.
She's incredible.
The person she is, she has so much aura and so much energy that you can't help but like her. And I think that part of that and her message and her policies carried her through. And if she had had a little bit more help, if she had had more people going down and stomping with her, more resources instead of her driving around in her van in the state, spending her own gas money to do things, I think she probably would have won.
So let's look at the money in this. Where we have here, put up Corbin Trent's tweet about Angie Nixon. It's number eight. John Ossoff had $135.4 million behind him. $135 million. Well, just lemonade. Angie Nixon had $16 million.
Wow.
That's about eight times as much. So keep it in mind when comparing their results. And this is very, very, very important because you're going to hear the corporate Dems saying things like, "Well, Abdul's margins weren't as big as Talarico's." Or, "Look at how much more Ossoff outperformed Angie Nixon." That's not the true context. The context is Abdul had $90 million of dark money spent against him.
Right.
Talarico had some dark money against him, but everybody knew it was Elon. And it was just completely neutralized the whole situation. And so, Angie Nixon gave a concession speech. And think about the disparity in money. $16 million for a National Senate race is— it's a lot of money to all of us.
But it's pennies.
Pennies. It does not stretch far, especially against these corporate machines.
But you have to remember, too, that John Ossoff is an incumbent. So he already has an advantage over.
Infrastructure.
Yeah, and all of it, right? So you can't really compare the results.
You can't.
They're not comparable.
So this is going to be— this is so important to watch because this is how gracious she is in defeat. Play the clip.
Brought together Democrats, Republicans, Independents, hell, a Libertarian said he voted for me today. And folks who had never believed politics had anything to offer them. And because of the work that you all did, we all gave people something to believe in again. We reminded them, we reminded those people that their voices matter, that their lives matter, and that they deserve a government that works for them.
Okay. And for those of you listening, she had just these beautiful tears streaming down her face as she gave that impassioned, gracious concession speech. Not talking about her, but talking about the people that voted for her and how she helped them feel like they were seen and that they mattered. And that is where the new base of the Democratic Party is. And you know what Chuck Schumer is doing after the election? Pop this up. He's grilling, and he acts like he's grilling all the people that lost.
And he puts 54 seats and counting. I learned how to grill. These burgers and dogs are fully cooked. Okay. I'm just going to tell you something. I will never forgive Chuck Schumer for abandoning Angie Nixon. There's no comparison between the woman that we just saw right there, who has had— for everything that she has had to do in life, is a million times harder than everything I've ever had to do in life because of complexion. Period. I could not go to Florida and do that. I simply could not.
And she did it. And she was joyful and magical and earnest and honest. And she can genuinely look in the camera and say, "I work for you. I'm not bought and paid for." Chuck Schumer looked in the camera and said, "My job as Senate leader is to make sure Israel gets all the money that they need." That's what he said. Angie Nixon has said, "I'm out on that." And that's the reason why Chuck Schumer didn't give her money.
And I will never forgive him for that. And that is disqualifying to treat the backbone of the Democratic Party, Black women who voted 92 fucking percent, who saved our asses, who saved democracy. I will never forgive him. And I can hold a grudge. My resentment for Chuck Schumer will live rent-free right here for what he did to Angie Nixon.
Well, Jen, you are 100% right with that. And thank you for saying it. And yes, Angie Nixon has had to overcome things that most people in this country, most women, especially white women, would not understand, right? Because it's not— because they're not in her shoes. But also, I think there are some Democrats that I can't forgive for not holding Chuck Schumer to account. There should have been more accountability from the Democrats in the party. Because Angie Nixon was an incredible candidate.
She is and still is and she will be in the future. She said she's coming out. She's going after her opponent. But look, I think she's a generational talent and that she's going to be okay. And the reason that she is able to speak that way is because it's coming from her heart. That's who she is. The folks who have who that they call DSA, whatever, these are people who work in the trenches. They didn't just decide one day to become a politician. She was an organizer. If you see the— if you look at her, go back and look at her, her evolution, starting as not a street fighter, but fighting for people out in the streets, right?
Yeah.
Protesting. Even when she wasn't an elected official, to be able to make people's lives better. That means she has compassion. She's committed, that she has integrity, and that she actually cares about people. It's not just— I don't think that Angie Nixon thinks of her being a politician is a job that she wants to keep forever. It's something that she is drawn to in order to help people. And you see that and you feel that in her speech last night.
But when I saw that speech, I said, "This woman's coming back. They're going to finally—"
She's coming back.
"—they're finally going to realize this." And to the Democrats' detriment, because they could have won Florida and they would have been in charge of two major red states. Instead, they fell down on the job.
Completely. And as much as victorious as we were and we are, it's important within a party to look at what the people that are still clinging on to this old system, and that's Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, they're still clinging on to the politics of old that incubated MAGA. And the DSA and candidates like— and Angie is affiliated with DSA. Abdul is not affiliated with DSA. But what they have in common is they're not political prostitutes.
The era of prostitution politics must come to an end. And the problem with this era ending right now is both Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer engage in prostitution politics, where they take money from big tech, the same fascists that were all sitting front row at the inauguration, and they take money from APAC. The same people that try to censor everyday Americans' free speech by calling them bigots if they criticize a government that is targeting little kids with snipers and shooting them in the head.
That's something very worthy of criticism. That's something very worthy of exercising your First Amendment right over.
Yeah, but you can't because then you'll be called anti-Semitic.
Right. But I'm not doing that. I'm going to call out— I'm standing for those little kids, those little kids that are getting shot with our taxpayer money. I mean, we have to— somebody has to stand up for them. And Angie Nixon and Abdul El-Sayed and all of these other politicians and everyday Americans went out and voted to stand up.
I think the biggest example of sort of how some people are blindsided by this whole Israel thing is Haley Stevens. Haley Stevens put her own narrow priorities and agenda above the priorities of the people of Michigan. But what she did, which was— which happens all the time, is she used Black people as a prop. She used Black people.
Talk about that, yeah.
And the Black church as props. Because if you wanted to make a point about who you're supporting, don't go to a Black church on the most important Sunday for Black churches. And that souls to the polls. Souls to the polls was created in Detroit at a church that I went to, that I visited with El-Sayed. It was created there. It was to get Black people the right to vote and to be able to have political power and economic power.
And then you decide to go to a Black church on a Sunday and make a spectacle of not only the church, but yourself. It's outrageous. Not only is it outrageous, I think it's bigoted. I think it's tone-deaf. And I think it's when people— you know, when you have unconscious bias, you have unconscious racism. It was unconsciously racist to me for her to do that. I don't know if she would have done that in a temple. If she would have done that at a temple, I don't think she would have.
Yeah.
I don't think she would have gone into a Jewish house of worship and bring that— those sorts of— that sort of politics there. But she felt comfortable enough doing it in a Black church. And so that's why when I saw that, I thought it was the most despicable thing. And I say, "Fuck her."
Yeah. And it backfired.
It backfired on her and him.
And she united the Democratic Party in Michigan.
Yeah.
I mean, she really united the Democratic Party. And I want to ask your question. You used to work in corporate media. And corporate media is dying a slow death. I mean, actually, it's accelerating. But after Abdul won, he proved he could take on big money, dark money, establishments, everything, right? And he also proved that he is what Michiganders wanted by 7%. That's not a nail biter. That is a robust victory. And your former colleague, Erin Burnett, asked James Talarico a question like this.
And the way she framed it, I find incredibly offensive. Play the clip.
You are walking into Washington, DC, where a lot of people are going with their jerseys on, right? Even in your own party, Abdul El-Sayed, that race has been called. He is on the far left of your party. There are a lot of things he may believe in that you may not share. Are you going to stand up? And I remember the gentleman at our town hall who asked you that, right? He was talking— they were talking about voter ID in that particular case. But are you going to stand up to the Democrats in Washington?
Are you willing to do that? Are you willing to vote against your own party?
Okay. Stop there.
Yeah.
Talarico basically says, "I'll stand up for Texans. I'll stand up, you know, against corruption." What pissed me off about that is Abdul took horrific headwinds of just unbelievable racism. He was called a jihadist, a terrorist, on and on and on. And I would think the framing of the question after such a big blue nominee would be, "Are you going to be taking on the Republicans?" But the framing of that, "Are you going to take on Abdul El-Sayed, who just won by seven points, by the way?"
What the fuck is that? Is this why everybody hates corporate media? It's why I hate it.
Well, yeah. And you know what's really funny? I asked a question at a town hall with Ro Khanna, and he checked me. He said, "Don, what kind of CNN question is that?" And when I thought about it, I said, "You know what? You're right." Now, here's the thing. Erin is a friend.
Yeah. And I generally like her.
I love Erin.
Right.
But I do believe sometimes you're in this sort of bubble, the sort of corporate media bubble, where everyone has sort of the same sort of thing, where you're in a system that says if you criticize a Democrat, you have to criticize a Republican. If you criticize a Republican, you have to criticize a Democrat, right? There's this false equivalence that is— that's really exhorted on or exhibited in corporate media, where you have to have these conversations and you have to feel like you're balanced. So you got to ask him a question.
It's tough to be in that environment and ask that question because look at what's happening to CNN now.
Yeah.
The Ellisons own it. They're going the way of CBS. It's Paramount. They're Donald Trump's buddies. Now, I don't know if any of that is in Erin's head, but I will say it is a tough place to be because sometimes you cannot show— you cannot do what is right because it may come off as showing your hand as liberal, right? Even when it's the right thing to do. Because corporate media, especially corporate media that's not to the right, they allow the folks on the right, like the New York Post, the Daily News, the Fox News, of the world, they allow them to define them.
And when they should be saying, "Fuck you."
Right.
"We are on the side of truth," and they should be saying it loudly and boldly and matching the same energy that right-wing media has with criticizing them. But they're afraid. They won't do it. And, you know, I think this demise that they have now is of their own making. And they are accelerating it by, you know, the false equivalence. I don't know why she framed the question that way. I'll ask her. I will ask her.
And I'm just— you can ask her. And I don't want to pick on Erin because generally, I like her.
But that's a general— that is a general corporate media sort of thing.
To me.
And I've been called out for it, like I told you.
To me, it was just like, "Are you kidding me?" Like.
Yeah.
There's always this now, like, they just pick on him, pick on him, pick on him. And then it's just they're still going to continue. And it's like, he's to the left. But guess what? That one in Michigan, that one. And there's just.
But there are people— there are people there, Jen, who are saying— I'm sure there are people in the— who are producing the shows. They're in the morning meetings. They're in the planning meetings. And they are very pro-Israel. And I'm sure they are.
That's what I think it is.
Yeah. And so they're saying, "But he said this. He says we have to ask him this. We've got to do this. We've got to do that. And otherwise, we're not doing our jobs." I think that there are people there.
Do you think that was now that we've peeled the Band-Aid off of that, do you think that that is, if we were to unpack it, that question from probably came from some higher-up or some meeting, that if it comes time to fund Israel, are you going to vote with him? And that's probably the underpinnings of that. Because it's not like Abdul's so radical. What's he radical on?
Yeah.
What the establishment deems him to be radical on is his critique of Israel.
Well, I would say, look, that could very well be so. And it might be. You may be closer to what's happening than you think. And that's the reason for the whole change of people. One of the reasons that I was let go, one of the reasons that they let go Jeff Zucker. And when Jeff was there, those kinds of things didn't happen because he knew what the Trump folks were doing, what MAGA is trying to do. He would have seen through what was happening with El-Sayed, even as a Jewish man.
And he would not have let his religious beliefs go in front of what is right to do journalistically and what's happening in the country. Like, you have to be really self-aware. So I think that you may be right. It's probably coming from upstairs. When I was there, upstairs did not tell us what to say or do. They only told us what to say or do if we got something wrong and the fact was wrong, you'd have to correct it. That's the only time. I don't believe that that's what's happening now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. Let's close out with a Michigan voter that is sending a message to Haley Stevens. Play the clip.
Being now tonight to see this.
Before I do anything, I want to tell Haley Stevens thank you for leaving the Democratic Party and uniting the party. This actually— this win means a lot. It actually means for us personally a lot because.
Thank you for leaving the Democratic Party and for uniting the Democratic Party. And this is just.
I was going to say. To you.
I know she does. And one thing I think is proven true is that people on the far left have always said there's not that much daylight between a centrist Democrat and MAGA.
Yeah.
And Haley Stevens proved that. She proved that at the end of the day, she's more in line with MAGA than she is standing up for women who are dying because they can't receive abortion care. She proved that she is more with MAGA than standing up with Don Lemon and Tim Malone and preserving their marriage, that they legally have a right to have. She proved that she will betray every single one of those human rights on a dime. And we deserve better.
I'm glad she showed us who she was. And it's important to remember in tying all of this together, she was Chuck Schumer's pick.
Yeah.
The guy who's doing his big grilling ceremony, that was his lady. And he gave her a lot more money than he ever gave Angie Nixon.
I agree with you. And I think that I'm glad she showed us who she is, not who she was, who she is.
Who she is.
Because that's who she is. I do believe that she's going to wake up in a couple of months and go, "What the hell did I do?" But that's too bad for her. But I just want to— I just want to go back to something that you said when you were talking about El-Sayed and how they, you know, just demonize him.
Yeah.
Christians in this country, and I believe, you know, and Jewish folks as well, they've got to have some self-awareness about what they're allowing their religious beliefs to sort of how they're allowing it to define them and to define laws in this country and politics. And that should not happen. I understand if Haley Stevens is concerned about Israel, but her job as a lawmaker is to be concerned about the people who are here in this country, who can't afford things, and whose lives need to be better.
When we don't have money, enough money to be able to help the people in our country, and yet we're sending billions of dollars to Israel every year. They have health care, universal health care. We don't even have it. We're funding their health care, and we're funding them, and we don't even have it here. As you said, I think that's an important thing to rip the Band-Aid off and talk about it. And by saying that, it does not mean that you're anti-Semitic. It means that you are an American using your freedom of expression to be able and freedom of speech to be able to examine something that's happening in this country.
And I feel the very same way about Christians, of which I am one, that by allowing that to define who they are and to define their politics is very problematic. That's why we have Christian nationalism now.
Yep.
Right? And it is very closely aligned with white nationalism. And I think that's a dangerous place to be in. We need to get back to— or I think we need to do a better job of keeping that line of separation.
Yep.
Between church and state. Because you end up with people believing it's okay to say the things about Abdul El-Sayed that they said, to be able to say things about Mamdani, to be able to say things, you know, about any other— even Vivek Ramaswamy, who I'm not a fan of.
No.
Who they, you know, they don't like him. You're not white. They don't want you, Vivek, okay? And so I think that that is a real problem. And you know that. You talk about that all the time.
And let me just point out something. I said this on a podcast earlier, but I want to say it to this audience. I'm an atheist, not indoctrinated into any religion. In fact, I'm a critic of religion. And I'm an equal opportunity critic. I'm as critical of Christianity as I am Judaism, as I am Islam, as I am Buddhism, Hinduism, the Greek gods, you name it, I'll rip it. That's just— when you're not indoctrinated into, you're kind of like, "Really? What's going on here?" Put that aside.
My experience as an atheist in the United States is as follows. And I did not have what I'm about to tell you on my bingo card 10 years ago. Christians have imposed their religion and their ideals and their restrictions and their shame and their judgment on me more than anybody on the planet. In my home state of Oklahoma, they have tried to put the 10 commandments in schools, and they get taken out, put them up in government. I've been heavily recruited.
Same thing in Louisiana.
Told I was going to hell, all this shit, okay? And they do not like the gays. They do not like women working. I have too big of a mouth, et cetera, et cetera. You can see how problematic this is for me. When it comes to supporters of Israel, now supporters of Israel are a little different because a lot of Jews can be culturally Jewish but atheists. But so I'm just going to define this as supporters of Israel. This group has tried to censor my free speech when I am critical of a government that is using snipers to shoot children in the head and in the heart.
I find that morally repulsive. I find that worthy of criticism. And yet I am always at the threat of being called a bigot and told that I need to censor my speech and that I can't freely critique that. Here's the part I didn't have on my bingo card, much to my surprise. The Muslims in America that have run for office, Zoran, Omar Ilhan, Abdul El-Sayed, my friend Hassan Piker, these people have never pushed any religion on me and are further left than I am.
So quit beating up on Muslims. Now, here's the thing. If there were a group of radical fundamentalist Muslims that are trying to genuinely, you know, everybody has to wear hijab and all the men get multiple wives and all of the tropes that come with that, I'm going to be the fiercest fighter against that. I have just never encountered that in the United States of America. It's the Christian Taliban, stupid. It's the people who are trying to censor our right to free speech when we criticize a genocidal, homicidal government governed by a war criminal.
Yeah.
And so that's just my take on it as somebody that just is an observer of religious things and how they have affected my life. The Christians are far worse. They're the ones who are, you know, gunning after the gays nonstop, Chick-fil-A, big Christian chicken, hate chicken place. You know, it's just— it's so I'd like to deal with the problems in front of us. I welcome immigrants. I welcome differing ideas. I think Abdul El-Sayed is a generational talent. I think we're so lucky that he was brave to run with a smile on his face through all of the Islamophobia, just like Zoran.
Like, when I see him, I'm so proud. You know, when he's like, "Hello, New Yorkers. Storm's coming." And he gives us these little reports. I'm just like, he's so happy. And everybody was so mean to him. And I'm just so proud that he overcame all of that. That's America to me.
Yeah.
That is America to me.
We have to realize that if you're going to put America first, then you put America first. And that means the Constitution, the American Constitution. If you really mean that, Republicans or Christians or whatever, then it's the Constitution. And just remember that that Constitution is.
Secular.
It's— yes. And you may put your hand on a Bible or whatever it is, but when you do that, you're taking an oath to the Constitution, not that Bible or that holy book. And I think that's where people get it wrong.
I completely agree. What a great post-election.
You needed to get it off. I just sat here. I'm like, she needs to get this off her chest.
I got to go.
I love you for it, though. I really do.
Let me just tell you, though. Our work is just starting. Democrats can win, but then they puss out. And we need to hold their feet to the fire. There will be no pussing out on this.
Yeah.
You got to walk and chew gum, motherfuckers.
Yeah.
Serious. We didn't go through all this for you all to just merit garland it.
I am very thankful for you that you're in my life because you— no, seriously, you can say things that I can't say because I will get canceled for it. You know what I mean? I will be called a bigot. I'll be called a racist. I'll be called a— what? A number of things. Most of it I say anyways, but I'm always thinking, right, am I going to be the angry black man? Am I going to be like the gay? You know? So thank you for that. That's what real allyship is, what you're doing.
Oh, my gosh. I love Don Lemon. I love our Welch's Lemonade community. Tell us where you live, how your state went. Tell us how much you're enjoying the Blue Nami baby.
The Blue Nami baby.
Yeah. And we'll be back next Friday. And also, make sure you're subscribed to both channels. I've had it and Don Lemon.
Because they are trying— look, they're trying to come after us, right?
We both just compared notes. And I've compared notes with other creators. They are shadowbanning liberal accounts. I don't have evidence for this directly, but I'm telling you guys, everybody's experiencing the same thing. Check and make sure you're subscribed. I've had members tell me that they were subscribed and they've had to go back and resubscribe multiple times.
My mom tells me that. And other folks as well. And she says, "I don't get your notifications anymore. I can't get onto your private streams." And hello, if anyone should be able to get on, it's her because I pay the thing.
Yeah.
So I have to go back. And many times it's difficult to figure out.
Something's going on.
Yes. When we know we compare analytics, everybody looks at their analytics. And you know, like, wait, what is happening with this? What's happening? I do say, though, that this— what's happened this week for certain creators like you and I, it should be growth. It should be growth. Do you know how many people tuned in to our show? This is just last night. And it's usually live. Live doesn't get as much as it's anything.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's almost— I think we're at 800, almost a million folks who watched us and our hot mess in the Nabar restaurant.
I love it.
Because it's fun. Because, you know, people want— I was talking to Charles Blow, and he said people want to see the seams showing.
Yeah.
They wanted it to be a little bit rough instead of so polished. I was sitting there in the bar and just sort of watching all the news channels on the monitors, and everything was so glossy.
Yeah.
And everybody was like, "This," in their suits. And I was like, "It's so boring."
Everybody's moved past that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good for us.
All right. We'll see you guys next Friday.
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