Transcript of Kanye's $29M Real Estate Mistake | Amanda Lynn & Kat Nova | Coffeez Ep. 310

You sold Kanye's bunker for $30 million after he went negative on it.

So that deal actually didn't end up closing in the end. After 6 months, it fell apart on my birthday. Oh. And which is okay.

What happened to that property?

Yeah, I was like, what happened?

Kanye's behind on his mortgage?

1, 2. Hi guys. Hey. Talk to Joe Shalaby. How are you? Good. Good.

Thirsty.

Thirsty? What are our coffee orders today?

Oh, what are the options?

You can do matcha, you can do espresso, you can do drip coffee. I need something with like a cream and sugar in it. You know, like coffee cream sugar. Sure. Yeah, candies are very good. Would you like a chocolate? Oh, thank you. Um, so Kat, I'm gonna fangirl real quick. I've listened to your DJ stuff, I love it. Are we more into DJing, real estate?

Is there any Kind of everything. Everything.

It's complicated. Yeah. Turn them into your dogs.

Cheers, you guys.

Cheers. Joe. Amanda and Cat.

Amanda, it's a pleasure. Welcome.

Nice to meet you.

Cat.

Hello.

Famous Cat Nova. Thank you so much for coming. What's up, everybody? Welcome to Koffees. I'm your host, Joe Shalvey. We're going to dive right into it. I'm here with Amanda Lynn and Cat Nova. You may recognize them from shows like Selling Sunset. Thank you so much, ladies, for coming in and doing this show today. We're gonna get into it. Before we start the show, I like to ask every one of our guests, what are your morning routines? So let's start with you, Amanda.

Ooh, my morning routine. So I wake up around 5 every day. I cuddle with my dog for about an hour, and then I say prayers. I go out on my balcony and I enjoy the sunrise. I just moved, so I have a very nice balcony outside. It's a pretty view, and it's— I have two outdoor terraces. And then I either make a green juice or coffee. And then I get started with my day.

I love it.

Yeah.

Bougie lady.

Bougie lady.

Green juice or coffee, like why?

I make one or the other. I have a juicer, so if I'm in the mood to be healthy, I do the green juice first.

Coffee's healthy.

Yeah, but I've been doing that my whole life. When I do the juice, it like makes me more clear. It's good to do that first, but I love the coffee, so I give in.

Do you put juice with your coffee?

No. Juice in my coffee, that would be my, that's disgusting. On my insides I do, but not at the same time.

Alright, how about you, Kat? What's a famous DJ do in the morning? I mean, other than try to get some sleep.

Um, the famous DJ doesn't sleep. Uh, literally, I don't sleep. Um, I wake up normally at 4. Sometimes I go to bed at 4 and wake up at 4. So it just depends, um, what type of night. Uh, yeah, so normally I wake up around 4, 4:30 in the morning. Handle my calls, emails, gym, call Amanda, stress her out at 4:30 in the morning, uh, and then yeah, just work. All I do is work 24/7.

You are a powerhouse in real estate and an absolute wonderful DJ who crushes the stage.

Thank you.

You, uh, are known as someone who really kind of controls people's psychology because when you go from a stage to the negotiation table, you really gotta manipulate and dominate someone's psychology. So what is that like to take someone from, you know, buying a $70 million house to, you know, controlling the emotions on stage?

So it's actually, like, really easy because normally I play with my friends, you know, and then I buy a house for them, so.

So you're doing real estate for all the big DJs?

Yeah, absolutely.

What's one of the biggest DJs you did their deal for?

I can't tell you, sign NDA forms.

Oh, you can't, oh. I mean, Tiesto or—

Can I say it? Yeah, you can say it. Okay, I can tell you, I know Marshmello because we showed him a house together.

I don't even know what he looks like, so.

You're not supposed to, but I'll say for Kat, one great thing about her is her relationships. People trust her. When you work in the club environment, when you go to a club and you see a DJ, everybody says hi to them because you've seen them 100 times, so you want to be their friend. Where she excels is that she, is friends with them, and then naturally they come to her because they trust her because she's a great person. So through the experience with her, it makes it easy for them to call her. It's the same way I get my clients, but I've watched how she does it, and yeah. She's not bragging about it. She's really doing it for her friends. She's not like, look at who my client is, which is what a lot of people get wrong.

So DJing has become like your ultimate lead funnel.

Yeah, absolutely.

So when you're off stage, you're like, hey, I also happen to sell $70 million houses, you know, are you interested?

Exactly. Because I was like, we already have like the same mentality, I would say, you know, so I already know how they think. So it's like, it's all about privacy, you know, and do it the right way, I guess, that regular brokers or agents might not think about it from that point of view, you know. So already, we already share that experience.

And the DJ world now is so fascinating. You got guys like Marshmello. No one is saying hi to him when his mask is off because they have no idea who he is.

Kind of like—

yeah, it's nice.

So he gets to maintain his privacy and you guys get to know who he is.

Exactly.

And he probably sold him a pretty big house, but we got NDAs for that.

Exactly.

Many houses. Yeah, buy and sell.

That's good that he— you know, some of the DJs are smart with their money. You know, they have a negative connotation because they're playing for people who party a lot. So they get to maintain their sobriety though. So let's dive into it. You guys are best friends. And obviously, you're showing listings together. Is there ever been a moment where you guys have had to like directly compete with each other for a listing? Or if that ever happens, you're like, let's just do it together?

No. And I also think that strong women in real estate, they collaborate. If you're like maybe insecure, you compete. Of course, to go after big deals, you compete, but you're competing for who the client's going to choose. So a lot of time I collaborate. I don't feel like I'm trying to compete with my friends. Most of the time, we bring value to something different. So in our scenario, we've never compete.

I bring the client, she has a house, or vice versa. So yeah.

Yeah.

I was gonna say the same thing, and I was like, that's for little girls.

Yeah, we don't compete. We collaborate because we want to get deals done. And it takes a village. If you go into real estate thinking I'm going to do it all on my own, I have to move everyone out of the way. That's, that's the wrong mindset.

Yeah, a collaborative mentality is really how you win. That's how, you know, we've been able to be as successful as we are at my organization as well. So is it like she does the listing, you bring the buy, you do the buyer side, or you guys are co-marketing, co-branding?

Well, when we did it before, I knew that she had a client, a client, and I know about the price point, what they're looking for. I found a property that I thought was worth showing, and I text her and she brought him over like within 2 days. And then we drove after that when he wasn't with her anymore. We drive to new developments that are being built that they're sharing within our office, and we'll go see, could this be potential when it's done? Because we want to show them things that are ready and we want to show them things that are coming in the future. If they want to personalize it. But yeah, we stick together.

I love that.

Yeah, we don't compete with each other. We compete with ourselves.

I feel like that's the way you gotta do it.

I like that.

You know, Amanda, you got a pretty notable story. Um, you know, you sold Kanye's bunker for $30 million after he went negative on it. He bought it for $50 million, you sold it for $30 million, but you managed to sell it in like 7 days.

Well, that deal, I double-sided it within 3 days. So I had the listing as an off-market $30 million and brought the buyer within 3 days and we went under contract. So that deal actually didn't end up closing in the end. After 6 months, it fell apart on my birthday. Oh, and which is okay because I learned so much from that. And if I got that close, like, I can do it again. But what happened to the property?

Yeah, I was like, what happened?

Well, the property actually ended up going into foreclosure. And then someone else took it.

Yeah, I remember. I think Kanye reached out to our company, someone in our— and they were trying to refinance it, and it was— he was behind.

They did.

Kanye's behind on his mortgage.

He let it go for $21 million.

How much did you buy it for?

He was trying to refi on a hard money loan, like almost $50.

Oh wow.

Yeah, he bought it for $50 million. He, he doesn't care about his credit, clearly. Just has a foreclosure on his credit.

His wife signed everything. He didn't even go to meetings. No, not Kim.

Oh, it was her wife, Bianca.

She was the power of everything on, she signed it all.

So she just let him go into foreclosure?

It's not her, you know? It wasn't him who foreclosed. Bo bought it, Bo Bellwood, and then that's who I was selling it, and then that deal kind of fell apart. So what happened after that? I don't know, I moved on with my life. Yeah. Yeah.

Now I gotta ask, you know, a lot of people wanna know, How real is reality TV? Selling Sunset seems like it could be real. It seems pretty scripted as well. So, I gotta know, like, how much of that is scripted? How much of that is real?

Well, I'll answer that in two ways. Reality is different for every person, first of all. My version of reality and your version and someone else's are gonna be different. So reality TV is unscripted. They don't give you a script to read, but what they do is they send you in there and you do your thing. But what they do is that if they, they keep you there and they cut and rearrange and feed you things to do, and the producer calls in from the phone who's not there watching. And so they're giving you things to do and telling you what to do to like coach it along. And they keep you there until they get it. So they don't give you a script. But when you rearrange, manipulate, and kind of feed people things to do or say. You're producing the show. The producers are producing.

Look, look, look, Joe's thinking about going on Selling Sunset right now.

He's like, yeah, that's so fun. No, no, I'm just saying how it's very similar to this podcast, right?

That's how everything is. And when you're in it, you can kind of see it. But the Selling Sunset to me was filmed more like a movie than a reality show.

Well, the production is.

Yeah, I've been behind the scenes of movies. I have friends that are movie directors that have done really famous movies. So I've seen how it is and other reality shows compared to that one are different.

Yeah, it's unbelievable that you were able to get that thing in escrow in 3 days. Who do you call on to buy a $30 million house in the state of Montana? Like, where did you even get that lead? Like, who?

It came from Instagram.

Instagram? Did you post it on your story or something?

And I posted it nonstop and the lead came from Instagram.

Some guy.

But I hit up every developer you could imagine under the sun, every developer, every person that I think could buy it, like Everyone in 3 days. You can imagine the rat race of what I'm doing in those 3 days to actually make that happen.

That's crazy.

I showed the house within 3 days to, to Malibu. So setting up the showing, someone flew in from Montana to view it.

That's unbelievable. So describe to me your lead strategy to attain that lead. So, you know, you showed the house, then you hit the ground running, doing viral clips on Instagram, stories on Instagram. Posting it on TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, LinkedIn.

It was Instagram. That was pretty much it. And in one day I got the lead. So we set up the showing for the next day. I actually did two showings in the same day with different clients, and the second one was the one.

Who called you? Connie?

No, it was from the developer. I knew the developer, Bo. That's how I got the listing, because I know Bo. Mm-hmm. It's working your network. Referrals in your network are the strongest thing ever. And if you have a good character and people have known you for 5 years or more, that works for you. Because if you're a person of your word and you say, I'm gonna do something, and then they see that you're determined to do it, they respect that because they also have that quality. So they can spot it in someone really easily.

Yeah, I'm a talent scout. That's what I do for my business. I always recruit talent and I can tell just by your presence and like how you carry yourself, the way you speak, like you're a closer. You know how to, you know how to make deals happen. You know how to negotiate and clearly you know how to market yourself. So that's a major quality in a top closer. We got to talk numbers. See, I could bring you over to our company. I'm gonna pay more. I'm gonna pay more and market more.

Love that.

I'm a witness.

But we're a package deal. Yeah. Don't forget we work at the same company right now.

DJ Representatives, you know, we do have our MC here who wrote our song, but we're always looking at artists. By the way, artists— now I'm a big advocate of an artist who's in sales because sales has now moved to art. Like, I'm a finance guy, but here I am doing a podcast, going on the street, doing content. Like, and I'm the CEO of a massive company that's in mortgage, but I'm able to use my artistry and my, my talent in art to really drive in business to the company. So my whole business is just— all why I do this podcast is to grow the company. It's not like the brand deals and all that. That's all meaningless to me. It's how to scale the company. This is the fastest way to scale. That's clearly what you've done with your businesses. You guys have managed to build your personal brands, and your personal brand is what brought you that lead because you have a massive following on Instagram. I don't know how big your following is, but probably 1.5 on Instagram. Yeah, so That's pretty decent size. That's like my size.

That's the Lord's work. You can't even make that up. That was something that was meant for me to go through so I could learn and carry that with me. Being the person, feeling like I deserve to be in that room because look what I did, that I'll carry that with me for the rest of my life. So it gives me more confidence going into other deals that are $30 million and over and being like, I belong in this room. Yeah, I mean, I got to mention that instead of questioning it because especially as a woman, not that we doubt it, But when you get into deals with those shark agents, the first person they're coming after is you because they think you're the small fish. And I've experienced that, but it's fun to show them that you're not.

So you think that— I mean, obviously God has had a great hand in helping you, you grow your, your following, but you know, it's a bigger calling to have a big following like that because now I, I lift it all up to God and I do God's work through this business, through this podcast, through everything I try to illustrate in the media. How is it that you grew that following and how has that branding helped you do more business?

Well, I hit a million followers when I was like 23. So I've had a million followers for a really long time, but the way that I grew it was I was like a travel influencer because I lived in Vegas at the time and I worked high-stakes poker games for the World Series of Poker, but like the events that they do all year long. That are not televised. They're private. And I hated being in Vegas, so I would just travel. And one of my best friends who has over 10 million followers, she taught me because like any business, there's a method to the madness. There's a way that you can grow if you follow this, this and this. It doesn't work for everyone, but it did for me. So I followed what she told me to do and it worked. But I had always planned to do real estate and it's something that I actually thought was going to hinder me. Because I didn't think people were going to take me seriously. Because when you're doing photo shoots and you're traveling the world and posting that and also living in Las Vegas, they're thinking they're making up— yeah, they're making up whatever they want, but they don't know me in real life.

So, you know, social media can deceive people. That's what I would think, too. But with real estate, it actually was the total opposite. I thought it was going to hinder me because when I started, this was not a real job. This was like a laughable job that people made fun of. And when I got into real estate, it was actually one of my greatest assets. Everyone loved the fact that I had all those followers. I could help promote other people's listings. I could promote the company. I got hired by Mauricio at the agency. He wanted to put me on the show. I wasn't even licensed yet. He— and he'd only met me twice. So all of this has to do with your marketing power. Yeah, they can see that you know how to market and that helps any business. So in real estate, it's become a huge asset. Yeah, I didn't think it was going to be that way because the times had changed from when I started.

So how many years have you been in real estate now?

Almost 6 years. Okay.

Yeah. So now personal brand development is the crux of anybody doing sales. And the reason for that isn't probably what you guys are even thinking. The reason for that is because the way the AI algorithms now index you is based on everything that they aggregate online. So they're aggregating all your social media. They're going to index every single word that's being said right now on this podcast. It'll be here forever and it'll be referenced on Gemini or ChatGPT forever. You said this on the Coffee Show with Joe Chalabi and now this will be living forever, living, breathing content that describes your personal brand forever. So—

You've told us that before.

I love that though, because I feel like these things can outlive us.

They are going to outlive you.

And that makes me really excited.

Yeah, I mean, it might be a Neuralink in someone's brain spouting your words one day, you know, 150 years from now.

I'm inspired by people that are not living anymore, so like their words transcend time.

They do.

So if we can help people in any way, one small thing or one big thing, that's amazing.

And you're doing it in the right way where you're like, you're speaking truth. Oh yeah, truth lives forever, you know, because that's just, just wisdom, right? So you're going to speak truth, you're going to speak prophetic, godly words that like everyone's gonna, you know, associate you with. And you know what's gonna happen? You're gonna do more business as a result of that.

There you go.

Exactly, because it's from the heart. People can feel that.

Absolutely.

Exactly.

And the good character that comes with it.

Well, I feel like people buy people, you know.

Oh, for sure.

I keep saying that all the time because sometimes like the house doesn't even matter, right? Like my client would call me like, Kat, like, I trust you, go find me a house. I was like, what do you mean you trust me? Like, don't try to put that pressure on me. They're like, no, I trust you because you know what I like, you know, like, you know what I'm looking for, so figure it out. I was like, what do you mean figure it out? You know, I was like, I felt like it was always like a lot of pressure, a lot of responsibility to do something that's worth like millions and millions of dollars. And then I go in, I was like, I think this is good. But then it's that feeling that you get when you get the right house, right? And you walk into it, you're like, this is the one. And you call him, you're like, "I got it." Have you ever actually had experience where like you thought that's the one and then somebody is like, "Oh, I hate this house." No. Really?

So that gut feeling when you find the one house, you're pretty locked in, you probably didn't find—

No, well, sometimes you show a lot of houses and they hate them all. So it's like, every person's different. But I feel like women's intuition, when I walk into one that I know will work for someone, I feel it in my gut. Like my intuition tells me.

Yeah, true.

I had that experience. I have one client, he has a $50 million house. It's not for sale, but if it ever sells, of course I'll be selling it. I saw a house.

Obviously.

Yeah, they don't have the option. Where are they going to go to? Someone that they have to train that knows what they like? I'm like, I'm 10 years deep on this. I already know everything.

Joe Schmo. I'm like, I don't know.

Yeah, but there was another house that was like $17 million or something. And I brought him there.

It's not a big deal. It's just $17 million.

Well, from $50 to $17 million. I'm like, if you sell—

you dropped it from—

no, no, no. The house isn't for sale. He has a $50 million house, but he's tiptoeing around. If I list it one day, if I listed it, where would I go? All right, hold on. I saw this house. Let me bring you and show you. I showed him a house that was like less than $20 million, exactly where he would move if he sold his house. Bam, wham, nailed it in the first house. That house sold to someone else, but he's not selling right now. I know that house exists. So if it ever came to a time where I have to sell that $50 million, I can go knock on their door and get that house. I've seen my client will still make $30 million.

I've seen her do it.

Oh, I knock on the— I'll knock the door down.

What a big downgrade from $50 million.

No, but I'm—

but well, for them, you have to think, you know, when you live in— no one wants to downgrade ever. So it's not a downgrade from a $50 million to a $20 million.

I think.

Yeah, but if you were in a $50 million, you wouldn't want to. We're all— you know, we get used to it.

I've had friends move from $50 to $10,000,000 because it's just so much work.

Exactly. But the bigger thing is to show someone that lives in a $50 million house that your lifestyle could work in this $20 million house and you would have $30 million extra for you to invest and put in this or that and not have to stress. Buy 3 homes. If they needed to. So it's like a security blanket. You're not buying this house, but I showed it to you and you love it and you agreed that's exactly what I would buy. So now he knows she already showed me something I would buy. Why would he ever go to anyone else? It's like a security blanket. Like, I'm thinking ahead, I'm thinking behind, I'm thinking to the side. I'm trying to think about everything, every variable.

I live in Newport Beach and we've, uh, in my area, uh, Dover Shores, housing's still going up, like values are still increasing. And basically the rest of the country, values are decreasing. So we're not seeing much of a change in values in the ultra luxury markets in Newport Beach. And that's pretty much like— I do loans all over the country. Like, that's like the only city where values aren't being cut. But I think— and I think I read this with one of you said this, that we're not seeing values being cut in the ultra-luxury market in LA either. Is that true? Are you guys seeing values cut? Are there price reductions? Are there price increases? Do you think the ultra-luxury market's being impacted by the current state of the economy with, you know, The luxury market is absolutely impacted, but it's more by measures and things that they're putting in place.

Wealth tax measure, ULA, those affect the market. They really do. Like, we can use Aaron Kirman as an example. I showed a property with him. She used to work with Aaron Kirman. Sorry. I'll use him as an example because he sells so much, definitely in the luxury space, and 65% his sales were down from the last 2 years. Not that he's not selling a lot, but it's because of the measure. That extra percentage of tax that they're paying can really make and break them selling their house.

Yeah.

So that makes a big difference.

Have you lost clients for the ultra luxury tax that they're charging now? That new state tax?

I mean, I was selling—

When did that go into effect, by the way?

Actually, like 2 years ago. 2020. Was it 2024?

So that's the billionaire's tax.

Yeah.

No, that's a separate one. There's Measure ULA and then there's a billionaire's tax.

So there's just separate tax for rich people in LA? Yeah. I didn't even know about that one.

If you sell anything over $5 million.

You're poor, bro. Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm in Newport Beach. We're insulated from that stuff. We try to say LA is like a different world.

It is.

It's kind of a bunch of hobos. It's a different country.

Yeah, but it definitely does affect them. For sure it does. They don't want to pay extra millions of dollars just to sell their house for no reason.

So it's called Measure ULA, where they tax the ultra-rich. And then they come out with—

Wealth Tax and then Measure ULA. That's for all properties over $5 million. And then $10 million, it's— more.

But also people started, I feel like, renting their houses. I've been in that business for 10+ years, leasing ultra luxury. Yeah, absolutely. To all the athletes and investors.

And yeah, they're locked into like 2% interest rates, a lot of those guys, if not paid off.

Exactly.

If you have a rate like that, you don't want to get out of it. And then if you overpurchase, like say you got in with a high rate or you overpaid for the property during COVID or the years after that, You don't want to sell and take a big loss either.

Yeah. So that's my property.

Yeah.

One thing I saw in Hollywood after the fires, properties collapsed in value. I'm talking like, I know people that bought houses for $7 million and they couldn't even sell them for $2 million. I don't know if that's still because they're selling the land. Basically because the fires—

just 7 to 2. I think that's a little bit extreme.

$7 million. Well, the land, the house can be $7 million, but then once it's all burnt, you have to clean that up. So if they didn't do that, that's a cost. And it takes forever.

So yeah, and no, no one wants to insure those houses.

You can't, you can't, and you can't buy something unless you pay cash. You can't get it insured.

So you can't get it insured unless you pay cash for the whole thing. And then so if you're gonna pay cash, you're like, well, then I personally have to insure this property. So how is that impact?

You're gonna have another fire?

Exactly. Well, that's— those are your buyers. Yeah, I'm in Newport. How are you guys dealing with that?

It's sad.

You're not, you're not even selling in the Hills, in the Palisades. Palisades are like, you can't even sell.

I've had, I've had clients that own multiple properties that are selling their house in the Palisades. It's just been very messy. I've never been able to get a deal done for that. I had a lot of people coming and looking for them. We negotiate. Some people are very emotional. A lot of them sold for a loss. They sold the land for $1 million, $2 million, whatever it was. But it's just sad. There's only— I think there's only been one house in the Palisades that's been rebuilt, and it's not a burned-down property. It was already permitted before.

So it was already mid-construction before it was already ready to be built.

Had nothing to do with the fire. So the fact that they delay the permitting, they make things so difficult, it just is sad for the area. It's a beautiful place and it deserves to be put back together, but the state is getting in the way.

Yeah, well, that's because I think Gavin Newsom has a vested interest in that. You think? Now, what's the rumors that—

You think?

Let's talk about Gavin Newsom for a second and how he's impacted your business, because it's kind of a big deal. Because I've heard and I've read, and many people have also read this, that he's bought tons of that land and he's going to develop it himself. Is that true?

I have never heard that. I have no idea. I did hear about BlackRock coming and buying a lot of it, or trying to. I think within a week after the fires, they had sent mail, letters, to all the houses.

We'll buy your land for pennies on the dollar.

Within a few days. Isn't that crazy?

You would almost think a company that size—

Allegedly, but yeah, I've heard that from people.

They must have sent a teenager out there to just burn everything.

They did, actually.

How are you mailing things to a house with no house? Wait, they have a mailbox? Like, what is going— you know what I mean? Are you calling them?

We had so many of those families come to Newport. So many of the Palisades families come to Newport. And I'll tell you, because my kids are on sports teams, those kids are stud athletes. Those parents were all pro athletes and then their kids were stud athletes. So it was kind of cool to see them come here. And we, you know, I happen to be on a team with one of the kids and we won the championship that year. So that was a—

So it was an asset for you guys.

A win for us. Yeah, we had— it was the owner of Fathead. He was on the show, actually. That was rough, you know, he lost everything. He lost everything in those fires. And, you know, there were, there, I think a lot of those families actually moved here to Newport though. So what happened here in Newport as a result of the Palisades burning is the value skyrocketed here in Newport.

I was studying that because I had clients that were looking for rentals. So I'm looking in different areas, they can be by the water, of course you're looking in Newport. And I was watching them every day, they were flying. Yeah, they were shooting up like their rental amount.

I was like, Wow, people were crazy. Rents were going up, values were increasing because you had people were like, I'll buy it. Like, oh, it's $1 million more. I'll still buy it. You know, like it's still cheaper than the Palisades. And now we're basically neck and neck to what the Palisades values were. But a big reason why Newport shot up like 30% in values during '24, '25, '26 was the Palisades fires. Meredith, what's your take on this so far?

A lot of rich people in Newport.

A lot of rich people in Newport. Yeah, that's very true. I mean, don't these girls only deal with rich people? That's their only— That's not true. Do you guys have any, like, middle class clients?

Really? I don't. Okay, let me tell you, I don't like hearing that because I have friends and people I want to help, and it actually upsets me if they think I don't want to help them because they're buying or renting. Yeah, not to be mean, like, because I know the brokerage wants us to do big things, but I want to help my friends. It's not just about the sales. Like, there has to be some kind of fulfillment. So helping my friends, even though they're a nightmare to work with half the time, it's fun.

The best—

Helps a little though, with it not being so multimillion dollar, you know, you're—

It makes it fun. It seems like you're not just working with higher ups. You're getting the whole lay of the land. Sometimes at the lesser price though, they stress you out more than the ones at the higher price.

Not sometimes, that's always gonna be the case. That's always gonna be the case. But you know what? The most fulfillment you'll get is from serving those people.

Mm-hmm.

Because they need the most help. And that's where the, you know, as long as you, that's part of your calling is to do God's work first. And God didn't go, I'm gonna help the rich people first.

Exactly.

You will get the rich people as a result of serving the poor people.

Exactly. Every time. Period. Yeah. You're right though.

Yeah, that is, that's definitely the case. And that's, you know, when I was, and I still do some mortgages here and there. I mean, we have 1,000 loan officers, 250 realtors or so. But I was still, when my friend, my priest called me, he's like, "Joe, I need a line of credit." I'm like, "All right, I'll get you a line." I'm like, "We need to talk to the diocese and get a pay bump though, 'cause they're really underpaying you here. You guys gotta get paid more than what they're paying you." They're still paying you 2005 salary, and we've seen 10 hikes of inflation since then. But no, beyond that conversation, I did have that with him, it was a $100,000 loan., you know, line of credit. I'm basically— it's beyond free for me, but it's the servitude that matters to me. You know, that's, that's where all the glory comes. Money doesn't matter. Money will follow your servitude every time.

Absolutely. Yeah, I believe that.

Me too.

Yeah, so that's good that you have that mentality. I know, I know, I could see it in both of you that you guys live like that. Um, so, you know, let's talk the transition. You know, like, if you guys weren't in luxury real estate and you weren't a famous DJ, what would you be doing?

I would be a yacht broker.

A yacht broker? Oh, that's a cool—

I'm from Florida, so that, you know, sales. We're still selling luxury things.

Yeah, you love luxury.

I can sell. My whole life since I was 14, I've been in sales, so like—

Me too.

In all the different ways, you know?

She can sell anything.

I like it, and if I can't, I want to learn how to do it, and why not sell things you enjoy that you understand? Stand, and it's like, it's about the peace of your life. Yeah, it's not about just the money.

Yeah, uh, funny story, Kat, this will relate to you. Um, I've been in sales since I was 14.

Okay.

And my first business I started was I was throwing parties. No way, at 14? So I was a party promoter, house parties. I started different venues. So I'm actually Egyptian, and, uh, the first party I threw was really revolutionary. I threw a night life party at a hookah bar. And I brought in like belly dancers, I brought in DJs, and I basically like changed the way that hookah bars are perceived in the Anaheim area, like the Arab area. And people were shocked because I'm a white guy that speaks fluent Arabic, right? They're like, you do?

How cool.

They're like, yeah, blonde-haired, blue-eyed guy speaking fluent Arabic to like people that I grew up in, like a reverse racist society where everyone's brown and I'm the only white dude, but I speak better Arabic than all the brown people. But I can leverage that because Middle Eastern people, we all owned hookah bars or whatever at the time. Now we're very established and very prominent. But at that time, we didn't have big businesses. But I was able to convince them to let me throw a club, basically. And that started my career as a party promoter. I had a DJ. You have a DJ name, Cat Nova. I had a promoter name. Personal branding. What was your promoter name? People still refer to me that name till today. It was Baby Joe. 'Cause I was throwing parties for them. Oh, Baby Joe. 14 years old, there are 21-year-olds that, you know, so I went from those and then I went to nightclubs and I went to after parties and raves and, you know, I was doing that for, you know, 7 years and then I went to college and then I came back and did that again.

But that was the only business I knew. I'm like, at the time, then I went into mortgage and I killed it because you know what, as a promoter, I had to get flyers out. I had to basically create a whole event from scratch. I had to book the DJs, I had to book the venue, I had to convince them, all the people, to come to the event. I had to hit the streets, promote it. There was no Instagram, there was no— you know, I had to build a personal brand. Like, listen, I'm the promoter, you know, like everybody knows that name. Um, so, and that all came from word of mouth and charm and, you know, charisma.

Sales is sales. Yeah.

Can you say what a name like that? With a name like what?

Like that, I would never hire you.

Why, why, why? Do it. I like constructive criticism.

Honestly, with a name like that, I would never hire you.

But just saying.

Baby Joe. I was like, hey, meet my mortgage specialist, Baby Joe. Like, what?

Oh yeah, now actually now my name would be Daddy Joe because I got 4 kids.

Daddy Joe.

That ages you though.

Yeah, I was gonna go by Cat Daddy, and then I think Wiz Khalifa had it, right?

You were gonna go by Cat Daddy?

Yeah, that's a cool name.

Yeah, that's a cool name. Where did you get Cat Daddy?

Recognizes Daddy.

Yeah, that's right, Daddy recognizes Daddy. Let's go!

I love it.

I mean, it does, you know, in LA that would work just because, you know, yeah, it makes you think.

The mind wanders. It's memorable.

Just get things done. Who's your daddy?

That would be fitting, actually. That'd be pretty cool. Pretty memorable. The blue eyes and the blonde hair.

Wiz Khalifa stole it from me, man.

Wiz Khalifa has the name Cat Daddy? Yeah.

Right?

Really?

Daddy Cat? Cat Daddy? Yeah. I was so upset.

I don't pay attention.

Oh, man.

No, I have— yeah, me neither. So both of you in luxury real estate now, crushing it. And I got to know, like, what's one big misconception about luxury real estate? Like, what do you think?

That it's easy. It's so hard.

What makes it hard?

Especially right now.

I think just when I say it's so hard, it's just because business is really about you becoming a better version of you. So when you have yourself to answer to for everything, you're kind of forced in every aspect of your life to improve and notice what's working and what's not and analyze and fix it. And I think real estate, you have like 50 jobs in one.

And you know what they think? AI is taking your jobs.

And nobody appreciates it.

No way.

Yeah, no way.

AI, when they say all the same things and it's a people pleaser, AI is, because sometimes it will tell me something that's wrong and I'm like, no. And then I'm like fighting with a robot.

Yeah. Let me correct you.

I don't want a people pleaser. I want to, like, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

I want a real response.

I know the hardest part when your client always like, man, let's just wait for another year for a better time. You know, the rate's going to go down. I was like, you've been telling me this for the last 5 years.

And the rate's just been going up.

Did they go down? You know, but it's just, I feel like that's one of the most common objections.

And you work, you work for free until you close something. So like some of the deals I've worked on have been for 2 years before they close. So I'm working for 2 years.

For free.

For free. Every day.

So let's see how AI takes that job.

Exactly.

Good luck, AI.

What is your response when you hear that, like, AI is going to take a real estate agent's job? I hear that honestly all the time, and I hear that about mortgage professionals too. It's like, oh, AI is going to take a loan officer job. I'm like, A loan officer is not going to be dealing with these people that are just being going through a robot. And, you know, we're in the people business, mortgage and real estate, hand in hand, people business. People need handholding about money. People need handholding about real estate. But what's your, you know, what's your first thought that comes to mind when someone goes, AI is going to take your job? And we all hear in both of our sectors.

I could say it's not going to. There's two things I would say. For one, if you're worried about AI taking your job, develop a skill that AI cannot replace. Number 2, human connection is more valuable than ever, especially since COVID A robot is never going to take away the human connection, that relationship. I feel like because of AI, we're more isolated, we're more reliant on that, and we're going to crave even more human connection. So if you're a people person and you value relationships, I don't think you ever have to worry about AI taking your position because it can't do that.

I, I absolutely agree. And one of the things that both of you have a huge leg up on that ties into this AI movement is your personal brand development. For me, AI is imperative in assessing someone's decision-making, and personal brand development is the catalyst. So now people are like, they don't want to— they don't care about you working for Oppenheim or Nest or whatever the what heck company you work for. They care about you. Who is Amanda? And then they're going to go to ChatGPT. Should I work with Amanda? Should I work with Kat Nova? And AI decides for people now. So that's the prominence of AI now. It is the decision maker for people. And how do you leverage that? So that's where personal brand comes in. That's where I think that you guys are going to be winning because you've established such a prominent personal brand in luxury real estate. You're the clear choice for someone to work with. And as time progresses, the more we heavily rely on AI, that's going to be your, you know, your calling. You're going to be like, well, I'm the obvious decision. Don't you see? AI told you.

I don't want like my choice to be taken away from me. You know, you can't tell me who to work with. Like, oh, this lady or this guy. I don't know them. Like, I don't want to buy my house for them. Like, can you trust them? You know, based on what? Like, how do you make the decision?

Personal brand. Your personal brand is what's allowing you to be the trusted source. You know, when you're out here talking about, you know, who you helped and the reason why you serve these people, that's what's going to, you know, allow the algorithms to like choose you.

Yeah.

You know, and, and obviously your volume metrics, you're clearly like closers. I don't know how much business you do, but when you do one deal, that's probably like the volume of 20 realtors anyways.

So you're—

I didn't actually look up your, your, your numbers. We have a system where I could check your volume and I should have done that. I'm like, oh, look, you did $150 million. Check it for me real quick, will you? Give me the volume stats. I'm just kidding. But, you know, huh?

You're not kidding.

Yeah, we do that with realtors. Before we select a realtor, like the loan officers, we coach them like, don't work with realtors that did less than like $5 million.

Baby Joe right now, you're being Daddy Joe.

A little bit of both. A little bit of both. Yeah, I'll always be Baby Joe's, like, in the heart. Like, it lives there, you know. It's always going to be that, that grinding promoter that just continues to push the brand narrative. Like, I was a personal brand before anyone understood what a personal brand was.

Yeah.

And that was like my brand. I didn't have a company name. I just rolled on my personal brand. And I still have, you know, it's— here I am, it's been almost 3 decades and people still call me that. It's the craziest thing. And my— when my kids hear that, they're like Dad, what did they just call you? They're like shocked to hear that. Like, why is he calling you that? Oh, let me tell you one day when you're older. I'll read it in my book. Cute. Yeah, so, yeah, it is pretty crazy. But when your 10-year-old is asking about that, they're like, what is going on here? It definitely is confusing.

Baby Joe. You still are Baby Joe though. Like Daddy Joe is taking care of Baby Joe now. Yeah, that's how I look at it.

Exactly.

Like, I talk to my 5-year-old self, like, I'm the adult version taking care of that 5-year-old. Yeah, baby Amanda went through a lot, but now strong Amanda, they got her back.

Also, I'm very childlike. I still have like all my same child hobbies. I'm a, you know, and I do them now. I get to relive them all with my kids. Like, we're all like Pokémon and sports card collectors, you know, we're all doing that together. It's the funnest thing to be a child with your children. I play basketball with them. I play all my sports with them and I keep them, you know, engaged in true childhood.

That's, for me, the childlike spirit, my stepdad has that and I have it too. And those people make the best parents because they make everything fun, even the things that aren't fun.

Yeah.

Like they tip push you in the head when you're walking through the store. They just like mess with you and it makes you like make life more fun.

Yeah, I can do that for you.

You can do that, and I will push— yeah, I would love it because it makes it not so serious. Like, we gotta have fun even in the serious moments.

So, and I, and I'm in a very serious position all the time, and people are like, why is Joe just so happy, you know, all the time?

Like, what's his secret?

Because God made this planet to like live and like be abundant, be joyful, and like have, you know, serve and, and do his work. And, you know, when you carry this— I run a big company. We have thousands of people. We're hit. We're a target for regulators, for lawsuits. Oh, man. Guys, don't sue us anymore, please. But we're gonna be sued all the time. Lawsuits or regulators. The regulators are listening to this episode right now. We love you, especially you guys in the state of Washington. And, uh, you know, the reality is the more you're attacked, like, the more you're a target, The more that I look at it, like the more haters you have, the more opportunity you have to serve. The more opportunity, and just like you said earlier, it's like bad press is actually good press. That's actually very true. The more bad press we get, the more limelight we get. It's like free press. That's better press. I would say the reason why Trump won his last election, all he got was bad press. You know, and then we all voted for him. You know, he got shot at, he got 40 felonies, like whatever it was, and then he still won the presidency, right?

So bad press actually is good press. So, you know, for me, like, the opportunities to be, you know, where people are hating on, on me or are trying to attack, I'm like, they're just sending me blessings.

Why are they hating on you, Joe?

Because when you're—

because they're miserable.

Yeah, when you're famous or you're, or you're wealthy or you're successful or whatever it is, because they're unhappy. Yeah. Or your competitors are like "they're just gonna hate on you." I'm like, "Dude, keep it coming. You're just sending me prayers.

You're just sending me prayers." God's just going, "I'm gonna bless 'em more." The good thing is too, when you get thick skin, it doesn't get thinner. That thick skin is thick as it's gonna be and it doesn't go down. So I've had thick skin my whole life pretty much, and it's only gotten thicker, not in a bad way, like not too guarded, just aware, but it never gets thinner. So once you develop that thick skin, It's there forever. It doesn't go backwards.

You're right, and I've developed really thick skin. I would say a big part of my thick skin development is a result of me growing up in the hood.

Me too.

And I grew up as a white guy in a brown community, so everybody was dark and I was the only white guy, so everybody made fun of me for being white. They're like, "White boy, white boy, white boy," like, just got made fun of. 'Cause I grew up in Bellflowers next door to Compton, and everyone's dark brown. And they're all Egyptian, so they try to associate with a community that was basically Black. And I'm like, so did I. I was like a white Eminem, right? But I'm sure Eminem got made fun of, got really thick skin for being the only white dude in Detroit. Same thing happened to me. I got, you know, so I'm like a white dude with soul, you know, that's African, but that's white. So I got made fun of a lot for it. White chocolate.

Love it. White chocolate, Baby Joe. Love that.

A lot's coming out today in front of our audience here.

We're learning about you. We love it. Amanda, Kat.

The audience wants to know, let's talk Selling Sunset. How did you guys get that gig?

Um, I got it— well, before I filmed Selling Sunset, they interviewed me like every year, so I was being interviewed for it every year pretty much before I filmed.

Why couldn't you get it the first year? I mean, you seem like one—

God's plan.

Yeah, I don't know.

I have faith in perfect timing for my life, for everything, so I trust that. And God knows my heart of what I want. If it's fame or success in real estate, he knows what I really prioritize. So I feel like—

so what is more important to you, fame?

No.

Or success in real estate?

Fulfillment in my life is number one. You heard that? I've experienced it to a degree from the— like any curious kind of thing that I had. We all kind of wonder, what would it like to be famous? Or what would it like to be this or that? Or go here, go there? Once you kind of experience it— I am a private person. And I'm very aware because of my childhood. I don't like— I want to go out looking ugly on the street in sweatpants and sandals and have no one bother me. So when people do it, it's nice. But I think it showed me that like, that's not something that I crave. I don't need people to like know who I am walking down the street to feel good about myself. I feel like that's a very ego kind of way to live. I kind of maybe desired it when I was younger until I didn't know. But now I feel like if I was gonna be famous, I would want it to be for something that really matters. So whatever.

She stays at home. She doesn't even go out.

Yeah, I care about fulfillment. I don't care about fame. I feel like in LA especially, the two things people prioritize is fame and money over everything. And I've seen how detrimental that can be to many people. So I feel like once— we all have to make money, but once you remove like that toxic desire, then you just feel better. Chasing fame is an empty thing to chase. You're never going to be famous enough. It's like filling it up in a hole with holes in the bottom of a cup. The fame— like, use Kanye West or Kim Kardashian, these people as an example. They say the biggest drug addiction to them is the fame because you have that high and then you crash. So it's not as fulfilling as people might think. I think if they're insecure or their ego is in control, then they'll really crave that. But I feel like if you're happy with yourself, you don't really— you don't care. And seeing so much of it in LA has kind of made me not, not like it, but just like not respect people that are chasing it so hard.

Yeah, we see that every day.

We see it every day.

So, Kat, I'm gonna ask you, what would you rather have, all the money and power in the world or peace?

Peace, obviously. You know what's funny, because I was gonna say the same thing for Selling Sunset. My experience was purely business. They found me because I had a listing, and they called me like, hey, like, uh, we have a client actually for a listing, and it's Selling Sunset calling you. And I was like, okay. They're like, do you mind if we film the listing? And I was like, I was like, let me ask the owner because you need to sign a release form. And I said, okay. And I was like, who is your client? So I kind of like, you know, give them a little hard time. And then they gave me an option. They're like, listen, if you don't want to be on TV, that's fine. Because we can have like one of our agents show the house. And I said, no, that's not a problem. I can do it. And that's what my experience was, you know, was not even—

Oh, you're a pretty blonde. You fit the prototype.

Like, they didn't even see me, so they didn't know what I look like at first. Oh, man.

You know, they're looking you up. They're like, she's cute.

Call her. Why did you have to do that? We need cute blondes walking through for views. I was like, this is all real.

Don't lie, girl. Come on.

Go, go, go.

Well, I was like, it was all pure business.

—Yeah, it's fun to film. Like, when you do things like that for Selling Sunset, it's fun because you're getting to do something people aspire to do. It's fun to see how it goes down, but there's a lot more that comes with it, especially if you're not a cast member and you're not getting paid per episode.

And for once, I thought it was purely business. Yeah, you realize it's not.

Do you think Selling Sunset has helped your business, though? Both your businesses?

I mean, I'll say I'm happy with how everything's went, so I think everything plays a part. Has it helped my business? I don't know. Did you close deals?

Did it get you anything?

I mean, I know that I've got certain, I think it has because people care about Selling Sunset. So even if I don't bring it up when I ever talk to anyone, oh, I did Selling Sunset. I never talk about that, but they, people care about that. They get excited. Like every podcast I do, they bring it up. When my friends introduce me to their other friends, they tell them I'm on Selling Sunset. The funny thing is, is like in business we work so hard to get validated, but then you do something like that and everyone validates you when all you did was just like film something for one day.

And honestly, you had the best outfits and hairstyles on it. Thank you.

Just wanted to let you know that. I'm sure they cost a pretty penny for those outfits you had to rock on those shows.

Everything is so expensive. You get your hair and makeup done, to get it both done for $500 or less is like impossible. Especially if you're coming in every single day. I rolled out of bed and this is it. Well, let me tell you the background of Selling Sunset. You only get paid per episode if you're a cast member. So sometimes you film for 2 weeks worth of content and it is in one episode. So paying for glam and hair and makeup and outfits every day. And if you have a kid, having your kid watched and all this other stuff, you're going to be in the hole. You can be actually spend more money filming the show than you make on the show.

Yeah, that's what we had a reality star.

I know a girl where that's very realistic.

She told me. I spent more on outfits than—

I know who you're talking about. Exactly.

And it was a hit show.

It's true.

Reality TV just doesn't pay that much. If you're going on TV to catch attention, especially walking into Selling Sunset, if you come in without your hair and makeup done perfect, without a new awesome outfit every time, you're not going to be fun for the show. So you will get kicked out. If you go in boring every day, you're going to be on one season. It's a fact because you have to look at the stage that you're walking into. This is like a stage you're stepping on.

Oh, maybe that's why they didn't wanna have me back. You can't be average. I had a really boring outfit.

No, girl, please, you're not boring at all. They would love you.

Yeah, I was like, it was all right.

It sounds like SightSite needs to put you on there more. You would be great for it. Oh, thanks. She would be because she's real.

I love how you guys lift each other up. That's just cute.

I'm just saying the truth. She's, 'cause she's hot and she does business in real life, has the clients, and she's real. She's not gonna go in there making up lies. Like, she's gonna be like, we need how stuff really gets done on there. Just a little bit. You heard, Joe? Instead of so fake. I got you. You know, we need some realness.

If you ever wanna do another Selling Sunset, we can do it.

We need realness on there.

I'm telling you, there is a true partnership here, guys, outside. You know, I do happen to run a big brokerage as well. I mean, that's a side project. It hasn't really been something we've focused on, but you know.

He's like, I'm gonna email you.

We got resources like crazy for real estate. Specifically. I gotta ask you, because you know, there was a jaw-dropping part of the show where, you know, you told Brie some drama. And the whole, the whole season— Me? Yeah, where you told Brie some drama, and the whole season just pivoted around that. And you just basically caught her ex, now ex-husband, at the W Hotel, you know, frolicking around. I didn't see it.

My— one of my friends that I've known forever, actually one of my exes, saw it and told me. Wow, that's real. Yeah, but the funny thing is, is that I didn't tell anyone when he told me. I didn't say anything to anyone. And then when I saw Bree in person at one of our friend's birthday dinners, she asked me if they were calling me to film, and then that's when I told her what I heard. That was months before anything was filmed, so everyone knew about this for way long before it They just put it in the show to bring it out. The producers brought that out. Oh wow. It wasn't me. Me and Brie sat there, we didn't bring it up. We were talking.

No, we were just talking. She was okay to air out her ex-husband's laundry like that?

It wasn't her ex-husband, it was like basically her enemy's husband.

Wow. That was crazy.

It naturally came to me in real life. I don't go looking for these things.

Ooh, drama.

This is the truth, but I didn't want to bring it up and she didn't want to bring it up either. They keep you there until they get it out of you.

How do they get it out of you?

Exactly what I said when I first got here. They sit you at a table, we start talking like normal. When nothing bad comes out, eventually they're like, here's some champagne. No, no, that's not gonna work with me. They're like, okay, well, why don't you say this or say this? And then the producer calls into whoever's behind the camera and he's yelling at them on the phone, and then they come back over and then they're trying to see what they can get out of you. I'm like, I'm not saying that. And then she wouldn't say it either. So I'm like, hmm, so you wanted me to say it? You're not outsmarting me like that. But then they keep you there, yell, yell, rearrange, rearrange, rearrange until they get enough of what they want.

And then boom, just like that.

But it's never— it was never my intention, you know.

So then after that, that, that leaked, and then there was a divorce that was happening right after that.

But they all knew before that filming even happened. Everyone already knew. Because I told her months and months before.

They just wanted to air out dirty laundry on national television.

They wanted it on the show because the show is gonna get views. It's all for views. It's all for attention. So that's what I mean when I say like fame and money come before everything. Look at the cost of what it really is sometimes. You know, your marriage, someone cheating on you, like death, whatever the most traumatic things can happen to you is dangled for like attention to the rest of the world. And then you have to relive it, and then they're feeding in on it and making up their own stories. Sounds actually pretty horrific. It is horrific. That's why the girls that do it are— it's really hard on them. They're not going in there— they're stressed out every day filming with people they don't like. You know, it's not easy like people think.

It's not all like glam.

It's not. Just the outfits and the hair and the makeup.

It's kind of like selling your soul. Well, that's why podcasts are starting to take over a lot of the media.

I feel like that's a big part of it. I heard they make a lot of money too, Joe.

Tell us. There's a revival of, of me. Yeah, honestly, the podcast, we turn down brand deals all the time. We're obviously working towards a big network deal, but it's all for building the company. Everything I do, like, because the money that's made with like Instagram or all the, you know, the social platforms, they don't pay nothing compared to like what real money is. The mortgage industry, podcast too. Yeah, when you have a big deal, when you have a big network deal, they will pay more, but At the end of the day, whether we get a big network deal or we don't get a big network deal, my life won't change. Because I'm already, my goal is to grow the company to a billion. That's not it. That's his goal. You'll get it. We will get a network deal. Based on my executive TV producers, my executive producer's assessment and my confidence, I think, I'm certain we're gonna get a big network deal.

Your desire is there for a reason.

The desire is there, but I feel like It's going to make an impact, and I'm here to make an impact because my narrative is different. I have a different objective. I don't care about fame or money or any of that. I, I only care one thing: doing God's work first, period. And then from there, everything follows. Yeah. So as long as I keep that narrative— I mean, I fall like every other human being. I, uh, you know, I'm no perfect man, but, you know, I'm serving, I'm doing God's work, and I'm trying to, you know, fulfill whatever prophecy he has for me. And, uh, and it's happening, and I'm very blessed as a result, and I don't need any more blessings.

Cheers to that. I love that.

Cheers to that. I love that. Amen. Let's go. Kat, I love the story. You flipped your first property while you were a famous DJ. You were out DJing till like 3, 4 in the morning, touring with DaVinci, and then you come in at 6 in the morning and close a major deal. Is that how it went down?

Um, actually, I was on tour and I bought my own first house. Okay, so that was my first deal. And then with the DJ money, with the DJ money. And then I called my dad, I said, hey, I need your help to flip the house. He goes, okay. So my dad used to be in construction, he came out here, it was like a while ago, um, and then I think it took him like 2 weeks and he did everything himself. Everything. Sick. This guy slept in the house on the floor. I was like, what are you doing? And he's like, uh, don't call these people. Don't call these people. I'm gonna do everything myself. I was like, of course.

What an honor for dad to do that for his daughter.

Right? Yeah. That was awesome. And then I was on tour. I don't know what happened, but I was like, let me just sell this house. I wanna get a different house. I hired, uh, a real estate agent and it took like 6 months and I was like, what are you doing selling my house for 6 months? So I got really annoyed. And then I got a real estate license and I sold it, I think, within like first week or two.

Wait, so did you take it from the agent and then sell it yourself?

I mean, it was crazy. It took like over 6 months and I was like, this is insane. And that was like back then, it was like hot market, you know? So I was like, something is not—

you just had a relationship. Yeah, definitely.

You know, she had like a few, um grandkids, and I think she just really— she's got a really old realtor.

Yeah, she's just not tech savvy at all.

Just like, no, definitely not. And then she's like, you know, she's like, your house is so far from my home. And I was like, okay, got it. And then I didn't work. Yeah, I didn't know how to tell her that, you know. And I felt bad, to be honest with you, you know.

I was like, listen, she had the listing for 6 months. That's 3 months past the listing contract anyway.

That part, you know. So that's how— and then actually, then I went back on tour, my whole neighborhood is like, you sold this house? Like, and again, it was not a big house, right? But it was like 20 or 30% over market. Oh, market. And everybody was like, this is amazing. And I was like, yeah. I was like, it doesn't matter, sales are sales, right? Like, I can sell anything. And then I went on tour and my friend called me and she's like, hey, so I heard you sold your house. I was like, yeah. She's like, 'Can you buy me a house?' I was like, 'Yeah.' She's like, 'Well, do you know any mortgage brokers?' I was like, 'I can figure it out.' And that's how it happened, basically.

Yeah, I have a proposition. You guys should both do mortgages too. I mean, let's do it. That's what I do. Yeah, I set up mortgage companies. I'm— we're the ecosystem for them.

Where do I sign up? Let's do it right now.

You're signed up. You met the man. Perfect. Perfect. You're signed up. You're in.

Do we have Do you want to move to Newport?

No, no, but you're gonna wanna move to Newport. I don't know what you guys are doing in LA.

LA sucks, guys. I mean, yeah, nowadays.

You're gonna go see Newport after here and you're gonna be like, why am I not here? Like, what is wrong with me?

Why am I in this dungeon? Okay, we're gonna move in with Baby Joe.

Yeah, yeah, we got you. No, Baby Joe's got too many kids over there. We can find a place together. No, I do have kids. We can find a place together.

I have a place for my kids and I have my house, you know?

And I do allow beautiful blondes there, no problem. Love that.

He's like, who, I have 2 nannies. Yeah, I'll have a couple more nannies.

You guys also could do that job too. There you go, see you. That's my kids' house. You guys have a phenomenal relationship, great friendship, and an awesome partnership. How did you guys meet? Do you want me to say?

Sure. We actually met in Ibiza. Ibiza, Ibiza, Ibiza. Yeah, I was, I think it was like 2 or 3, it was 3 years ago.— It was 3 years ago. 4 years ago.— Dancing the night away. No, I was— She was DJing. She was there with her girlfriends and other friends. I was there with my girlfriends and we went to one of the hotels to meet up with our friends and she was there, with a group, and then we ended up just becoming like great friends that night. We both had—

But tell him, tell him how we've reconnected.

Okay, so, Because any visa, when we became friends, we're all hanging out in this room for a while and we're talking about where we're from, LA, because everybody there is from different parts of the world, like New York, LA, whatever. Then we find out, I find out when her birthday is, which is one of my best friends who passed away's birthday. So we actually shared a best friend that passed away, and she has the same birthday as Kat. So we started talking about that, and it was our friend Kim Fattorini, and we She was an amazing person. Like, Kim had the heart of gold, so if anybody was really good friends with her, you know they're a good person because she was such a pure, wonderful person. We bonded over that. We both started crying, and we've literally been friends ever since. And we— that was just the night we met. But then more we've hung out, and then being in LA, the real estate thing. I didn't know she did real estate. Like, we didn't even know. That's how we got the appointment.

I got scammed through my brokerage to come be where I work.

She switched companies.

I didn't know. And I was like, hey, who are you with? She's like, Nestlé.

I said, done. That's divine appointment. Just like sitting here today is divine appointment. Absolutely. I have like so many cool ideas I'm gonna pitch you guys after the show. Joe, sold, sold, done. Um, so, you know, such a good salesperson.

He's like the best.

That I did, you know, I only have one gift and that's sales. Like, that's my, that's my gift. Like, my partner, I'm the founder CEO, my partner's the president chairman. He does all the stuff that I— compliance and running the company, and I just do this, you know, media, like, and recruit and grow the company. But like, if you put me in front of the auditors, like, I'll melt down. I couldn't even do it. I would—

who wants to be in front of the auditors? I don't know about that. You need the accountant or AI accountant.

You're talking the wrong guy. Like, I'm sick right now. Like, I'm not in the office. But that's not my gift, you know. Some people, that's their gift. He's an engineer, he's analytical. Like, let me ask you guys, what advice would you guys give a young entrepreneur who's coming into real estate right now and wants to crack the luxury market?

I would say figure out, like, if there's any agent or any person that you like how they do business, I would kind of study that person and kind of figure out what you want to do that's similar to them, even if they're not your direct mentor. I think mentors are very important. Everything great I learned in my life, I learned from from someone else. So we're not reinventing the wheel here. I think having a mentor is really powerful, even if they're from afar. And then I would just say kind of map out, they say a lot about 2-year plans when you start in business. I went to Ryan Serhant's mastermind a long time ago, and he told me to do my 5-year plan, which I had never heard before. And I actually think that's a really good idea. If you can think about what you would like your dream next 5 years to be like, and then kind of fast forward what you can do to speed that process up. I think it kind of really helps you map out the future because I used to kind of live in the moment and I think when I started thinking like a long-term thinker, I think it really— Yeah, it shifted my mindset.

And sometimes we, we don't need as much time as we think we do to get things done. It's in our head. So if you can like condense that and really know for yourself a clear vision of what you want, not that it's going to end up exactly that way,. But you'll look back and you'll be like, wow, I actually hit this, this, and this. And then you remind yourself to like give yourself a pat on the back along the way. Because sometimes we think, oh, I'll only be happy when the deal closes. Then when the deal closes, did you actually really even enjoy it and celebrate? But you just worked so hard for so long. You got to like enjoy the mess along the way too.

I think I feel like it's very important to be yourself and not try to fit in. And I feel like that's what a lot of young people do nowadays.

You know, they're trying to be— I don't have that problem because I'm authentically myself, so I don't even think about that. But that is important because you can look up to the— you can like the way someone does things, but you don't need to become that person. We all have something special about us, and that's what you need to bring. You need to be yourself, but you can learn how to fine-tune to talk to billionaires or to different kind of people or certain things.

Are you always that raw when you talk to billionaires? Yes.

Oh yeah, they love it. They love it. They're more raw than us. Yeah, they are. If they're more raw because they can be. If they don't— if they and they might not show it to you, but they know. If people take advantage of them, they know. And they might let you get away with it and pretend they don't know, but they know. Yeah, that's something I learned from them. I'm like, why are you letting someone do this? He's like, because I already know it's not worth it to me. You're gonna screw me over for $10K, I'll never deal with you again. But, and then they don't even tell them that they know that they did it. That's something I learned. They are so composed, they just, okay, I know. I'm moving on.

Yeah, I mean, I'm in that same position. I get screwed over, it cost me 7 grand to just get rid of relationship. It was a win. But it teaches—

it's really about emotional regulation of how to not let these things peak your stress. You have to learn how to—

okay, be even keel.

Yeah, they treat everyone the same. I treat everyone the same, but when it comes to billionaires, they are treated different by outside people. It's not that I change how I'm treating them, but you can— you'd be lying if you didn't —say that you don't see it happening, the way that they're treated.

We're both in very risky businesses. So what's one risk— you guys, what's one risk? And you can each answer this question. What's one risk that changed each of your lives?

So the first house that I ever sold was— it sold for $15 million, and it was seller financing. So when it's seller financing, the loan is not switching into someone else's name. Yeah. So it doesn't show that you sold it like for the real estate, you know, like the Department of Real Estate where you're getting the credit for it. Once the client moved in, but it did sell $15 million. Once the client moved in, after a year and a half, they stopped paying. They were seller financing. And this was after COVID, like the year after COVID. A lot of people were having money problems and you could not evict people. You couldn't get them out of your house. Remember, California's picking the tenant over.

I mean, still, it's hard to get people.

Exactly. Due to that, my client wanted his house back. They were missing the installments. They weren't paying. We couldn't get them out. I made it my— okay, I had to get them out of the house. What did you do? Or I can't get this listing back. And even though I sold it once, I want the credit for selling it. I want to sell it twice. So the only way to do that was to get them out of the house. So it took me months. I met up with police. Like, my client is on the board with the LA and he donates money to them. I was asking their wives, if I have a tenant in the house and I cannot get them out, what can I do? Like, for game plan. One of the wives of the sheriff told me to take the door off the front of the house. The door weighs like £2,000. So if I find a way to get that off, they're never— they have dogs. So I was like doing my research of what I could do. The renters that were in the house, I started showing them other rentals as their agent to try to get them out.

On the move-in day, I hired a— I had a security guard and a locksmith come with me to the house while they're moving up the moving truck. I changed the locks while they were moving. I took possession of the house back myself. Wow.

Little old me. Did you ever have to remove the furniture?

And I sold it again.

That's a good trick.

That's a cool trick. Yes. And it took me 3 years to get credit for both the sales.

Now, people, those of you who have tenants in LA, you know how to get those people out. You don't have to wait on the sheriff. Just get the door off.

I didn't even have to take the door off. That's a good idea. I had an armed security, and I got attacked during— not like physically, but the wife was very mad. They destroyed the house. I had to flip the whole house in 30 days, $400,000 renovation, and put it back on the market to film Selling Sunset. And I did.

Did it sell for more than $15 mil?

It sold for $12 the second time, but it was a different market. But still, he still made good money the first time because seller financing, they were overpaying. The monthly amounts and like a certain amount per year. So yeah, don't stop at nothing to get it done.

The seller admitted that they had to go through that. They were paying the seller financing interest rate, probably 9%, 10%, and then they lost the ability to pay.

Yeah, in the end they lost money because they couldn't make the payments anymore. So after X amount of time you default.

Yeah, and they had a down payment to get seller financing. They had to give them an installment upfront. So he got that.

They were supposed to make installments in September each year, like a million or whatever it was.

And then they didn't do it. What about you, Kat?

I have one. Bad developers. So I have a— one of my actually first houses, I wanna say, was like a $6 million property in Encino. Not the best developer. I was new. I didn't do my research. I sold it, thank God, to my friend. And later on, 6 months later, we had like heavy rains in LA. Uh-oh. Yep. Leaks. Yep. The whole entire house. And it was probably more than $1.5 million in damages. So hidden defects, right, that actually came out 6 months later. Uh, obviously everybody blames the agent, right? 'Oh, you didn't do the inspections right.' No, we did. 'Oh, you didn't do this, you didn't do that.' Um, yeah, so it led to a lawsuit, and so lesson was learned that way.

Lawsuits are always expensive lessons. Yeah, definitely. Now my last question, you guys can both answer this because you guys are both—

Yes, yes, we will come work for you.

No, no, that, that— no, I have a whole—

Yes, and we I'll take $2 million.

I have a whole proposition in my mind, I'll tell you. I don't want to say it on the show. 5 million. No, this is strategic partnership. Because, you know, you'd be associating with the number one company here in California. Obviously. On the mortgage side.

Plus, who doesn't want to work with Baby Joe? Yeah, exactly.

No, but this is outside of that. For both of you to answer, please answer honestly. Promise you'll answer honestly.

Okay. Promise.

What celebrities have DM'd you guys in your inbox? What genre do you want? Oh, I like that. Tell me a couple celebrities that DM'd you.

Let me think of someone that I don't talk to. I don't know, rappers, movie directors. Rappers, actors. No, just basketball players, hockey players, football players. Basketball's my favorite sport. I don't really like to give names. Let me think of someone I could name. Oh, what was that guy from Entourage? Jeremy Piven? He used to hit up everyone, so this is, I'll throw that out there just because it's so old and he hits on everyone, no offense. I never hung out with him or anything, but yeah.

He would just like DM you on Instagram? Oh yeah. I said what?

Used to. Can you tell me how? Like, come to Malibu, or something like that. They all kind of say the same thing. They either try to bait you with like a game or a dinner or this, like, I don't care about any of that kind of stuff, so I'm always like not interested. And they don't like being rejected. Oh, I have a really bad— oh, I have a really bad rejection story. I'm not gonna say the story, but Chris Brown, Chris Brown, we got— I actually, we got in a huge fight. I've never told anyone. Well, my friends know. In Ibiza, okay, long time ago. Yeah, he tried to hit on me and I had been around him many times because we had a mutual friend, Lo, who passed away also. I love Lo. Me too. And yeah, people that don't get turned down have a really hard problem being rejected. Yeah, they're clearly not themselves. I don't care about fame or money as much as people think, so that doesn't work for me because I'm not blinded by, oh, you're famous, or I don't care. I really don't care about that. So when you hit on someone that you think cares about that and then they don't, they get very mad, very mad.

And we got in a little fight.

Oh, wow. Mm-hmm. Gives Chris context.

And he told me to put it on my bucket list. So I said, put it on yours. I love that. He opened the door like this to kick me out with the hand, like he's a butler. Oh, no. No, he didn't. He goes, put it on your bucket list. I'm like, put it on yours. I'm sure he remembers. And then he still tried to hang out after that again.

What? Even if he forgot, he's going to remember for sure.

No, he remembered it. He already knew.

Like, he's not going to forget. Yeah.

Now Chris knows for sure. And then a month later was when he pulled a gun on that blonde girl. Hold on, what? Remember when that was in the— it was like 10 years ago. There was a— I remember because when I had my experience with him, it was in the summer sometime, like 10 years ago or something. A month later, it was in the news that he pulled a gun on a blonde girl. It was a month after I had my situation with him. So I was like, yeah, he threw me out on the street in Ibiza.

Joe, that's why you don't ask questions like that. I didn't want you to relive that moment. I'm sorry. No, it's okay.

It's kind of funny to say it now.

So. Boom. There you go, Chris.

Don't talk to musicians and things like that if you want a healthy relationship, because you're not going to get it from them unless they're godly. They have their head on straight.

They're mostly godless, and the only ones you're going to find that are godly are like, you know, the ones that are—

There's some that are good, but they'll be outright with it.

You know, I thankfully haven't ever had to slide in anyone's DMs. I usually just wait for DMs. Actually, we have our DMs turned off on our Instagram.

Did anybody—

wait, you answered the question because I'm not gonna sit out here and drop two names and I got nothing out of you.

Very easy answer. Look at my face. Would you DM me? No, no, nobody does. Everybody's scared. I swear to you, they're like, this Russian girl is scary, like, we're never gonna ask you.

No, people, they gotta get you in real life.

Sure, you said it. I didn't want to say it.

Yeah, she does. She can be a standoffish, but she's not inside.

No, I'm like a big marshmallow inside. That's what I said, you're a marshmallow inside.

But you got the resting bitch face, it's good.

It's like— it's her protection. Like a turtle shell.

Yeah, yeah.

People normally scared to talk to me, they're like, oh, this girl looks—

so we got a name out of you or no? Yeah.

So who are your celebrity— no celebrity DMs? No, no, no DMs.

Just how about celebrity DJs that DMed you? I'm sure that— or even celebrity DJs that hit you up. I have a lot—

we have a lot of DJ friends.

Everybody's my friends. Like, you have so many friends.

Like, not on a creepy— Martinez Brothers, those are some of my besties. I've known them since I was 20 years old. They're the best. Yeah, those are like good friends. I love them.

They're good DJs. They're great. Now guys, we're going to get into our coined game, and this is a fun segment. You're going to have a lot of fun, and the game goes like this. So we're going to ask you rapid-fire questions. Oh God. And you basically have to respond quickly, and the theme is you just respond with these words: open house or pass. That's it. Okay, open house or pass. That's all you got to do. That's it. Okay, I'm going to ask you these rapid fire. Oceanfront home but no pool, open house or pass? Pass.

Open house. Oceanfront, I know you don't need a pool, you have the ocean. Yeah, pass. A lot of them don't have pools.

Pass. Guys, you can argue. I I pass. I pass it over to me.

Open house.

Open house. Historic estate or brand new build?

Uh, brand new build. I'm doing historic for sure.

I like the history. You see, this is why we never fight.

Yeah, cuz yin and yang.

I'm like, the nerd wants to know everything about it, and then I'm like, oh, pretty house, new house, you know, who built it. That's always shiny. Built 2026 by EXO. Like, you know, the history is like a whole world that you're unraveling, which is fun for me.

That's why there's good collaboration between you two. Exactly. Now you get it. Yeah. So next question: private jet or mega yacht? Open house. Mega yacht.

Oh, private jet.

F the jet. I'll fly in Delta and then I'll be on the yacht.

Oh, I would not fly Delta. I would die.

Put me in Delta One, I'll be on the yacht. The private jet I've done a million times. I don't care about that. I still like Most of the time you don't like the people you're on the jet with.

I love my friends that I'm on a jet with.

Well, you know, lucky you. Yeah. Million-dollar closet or million-dollar kitchen?

Kitchen. Closet. See, I already have a closet. Literally. Closet for sure.

Live in Beverly Hills or travel full-time?

Travel.

Travel. Beverly Hills, all old people.

You're gonna get bored. She would get in trouble for that.

All you can do is go for walks around the city all day and I want to travel. We can travel together. Yeah, we see the world. See? Yeah.

Okay, you're gonna love this question. Huh? Million-dollar narcissist or bank teller gentleman? Or bank teller gentleman? For sure, gentlemen.

Yes. Narcissist is going to cost you way more than a million dollars in therapy if you stay with that thing for too many years. Trust me. So everything comes with a cost. Look at this. You have to— I can't deal with It's for you to decipher what that cost is, and for every person it's different. So it's all about your choices and peace.

And that narcissist is going to drive you crazy. Exactly. They all will.

They get worse over time too. If you don't address that situation, it's going to get worse.

Fame or freedom? Freedom. Love it. They're exactly—

fame, you have no freedom. You're in a fishbowl. Yeah, you're locked down. Freedom. What is better than freedom?

Nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. If they gave you a billion dollars, but you had to go to prison for the rest of your life, what's the difference? We would choose freedom all day. Diddy, you know, he's got billions.

Right.

Locked up. Another narcissist with— I'm sure he doesn't. You know what I mean? They live by their image.

What's one luxury item you'll always splurge on?

Skincare and massages. And Botox.

I agree. Right now we're in an era where self-care is the new hip thing. That's why you're seeing, like, Las Vegas's demise right now because nobody wants a drink anymore.

Exactly.

Everybody's on a health kick.

So happy for them. Yeah, that's amazing.

Yeah, no one wants to do drugs anymore. They're all doing, like, sober raves and, you know, cold plunge raves. I mean, that's just—

I love it.

You should just start a whole cold plunge rave thing. Business. Let's do it. Yeah, like, or whatever, you know, like the health raves. Everyone's going to sober raving now. So you're seeing that as the new thing for Gen Zers. They're over, like, you know. So now really Las Vegas has had to pivot. Now they've added football stadiums and all these music stadiums, and they're trying to make it like an event center. So you're seeing a huge pivot in Vegas with F1 and this and the other, all this stuff that's sober. Because the days of partying all night— and you were a resident Encore Beach Club— those things are like dissipating, right? No one wants to do Molly all night long or all day long.

There's a crash. I've never done Molly in my life.

You've never done anything? I swear. And you're a mega DJ. So what is like drug usage like in the mega DJ world?

Uh, Red Bull and vodka for me.

Do the DJs, all the big DJs, like— you don't have to say any names— do a lot of them use stuff or a lot of them stay sober?

A lot of people are sober, to be honest with you.

Like, I guess some of them It depends on the person. Yeah, it's hard from what I've learned because I've had friends that were sober and then they have addiction problems and then they're trying to get sober again that are DJs. It's like they're in alignment with that vibe that they're creating, and when they're not in the same headspace as the people they're playing for— which doesn't mean this is true, but this is what they think, maybe the addiction starts to tell them this, I don't know— they want to be on the same frequency with the people in the room. So depending on the drug, like say that you do, that they're doing, Molly, ecstasy, whatever, you can kind of— you're like locked into that frequency with those people. But the thing is, is that some of the people do like ketamine or they do other things, and that's debilitating. I've seen DJs do ketamine and go into like— Tranquilize themselves. Tranquilize themselves during their set. I feel like it's a stereotype. So it does happen.

A lot of my friends don't do that.

Well, because you probably have friends that are not in that— we— like attracts like.

So, but you know what's funny? I said maybe like I have friends that struggle with it new to the industry, and maybe it's exciting for the first year or two, right? But let's say if you're touring DJ for 10+ years and you do different countries every day, you're so tired, you know?

Like, like there's no way like Tiesto is like partying and doing drugs. He's in great health, in great shape.

He's like 65. But also he's been doing it so long, so maybe if you have the willpower, you can go through that phase if you do, and then get out of it. But the thing is, is that some people don't know how to get out of it because it takes over. Yeah. So that's what's really, you know, and then they think like a lot of musicians—

guys, even stop hanging out with drug addicts, okay?

I don't, but I learn, you know, I hear coming from a famous DJ, you know, I just want to know how— what's the life like for a famous Miss DJ. It can be hard. It depends on— it's everybody's preference, you know? Yeah.

Now, one word. What's one word to describe each other?

Ooh, hold on. One word to describe you? That's a good one.

I would say— let me think, because I only get one word. It's hard to do one. One thing that I admire about her is her directness. Like, I like that. Not, not in a bad way. Like, she's herself. She just is herself. I feel like if someone doesn't know her, they might be intimidated by that, but she's just being herself. So I like people that are truly themselves. Raw. Yeah, raw. I'm that way, and I admire that in her because especially as a pretty girl, the world in LA can throw so many reasons at you to not be that way. But I admire that she is, you know? Yeah. She's herself. Mm, okay. And I feel like you have, you like kind of mold, you're always yourself, but you could fit in so many different rooms, like everybody likes you, you can talk to anyone.

Amanda, I would say pure heart.

Aw. That's two words, but pure would work.

Heart, oh pure, and you can. I'll take that one.

Thank you, I agree.

And then I was like, and I was like, she's hot. She's like, we could go forever.

But yeah, we're both very real, like, yeah. And I, I think that's why we became friends right away.

Pure and raw. What's one celebrity guest you wish you had dinner with?

Oh, celebrity— Snoop Dogg.

Oh, you never met him?

I feel like you would have. No, I haven't. And I should have met him like 4 times, but every single time I flaked and I didn't know he was going to be there.

You flaked?

Oh my gosh. I was supposed to go to dinner with one of my girlfriends once, and she accidentally ended up running into Snoop Dogg and became besties with him after that. My girlfriend Nikki Lee. And then another time I was supposed to go to Rampton Nos Rotti's Christmas party. I got my hair and makeup done, and I fell asleep, and Snoop Dogg was the performer, and I was so mad. I'm just dying to meet Snoop Dogg. What?

Why do you want to meet Snoop Dogg?

Because it's Snoop Dogg. Snoop Dogg. Yeah, I mean, I just think our soul— it's just Snoop Dogg. I feel like he's like America's uncle. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, Snoop Dogg's like America's uncle. Like, I just feel like he would be fun to just hang out with. America's high uncle. Yeah, that's okay. I want good stories. He's gonna make me laugh. He's gonna give me good stories. He's gonna keep me smiling. He's gonna be fun. He's gonna have a funky outfit. It's Snoop Dogg.

I met him a few times.

That would be so funny. You met him? And what's What's one celebrity guest dinner you'd like to have? Like Jeff, Jeff Bezos. There we go. Yeah, I mean, those are billionaire dinners.

See my accent? Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos. I would say maybe like Elon Musk too. And just like, yeah, right? Because I feel like I would want to like pick their brain.

Yeah, that's like my celebrity guest is Elon or Trump, you know, like, hopefully— I'm doing this, probably not.

I'm keeping it light-hearted.

If your friendship were a house, oh, what's one feature that makes it the most valuable?

Foundation, for sure.

Literally, the structure, the foundation. Yeah, that's it.

That's what life's about. Now, leading into that, when you're in front of the pearly gates, what do you think God's going to tell you?

Welcome home, baby.

Let's go. He did good, kid. He better. I'll be crying.

No, for sure. Welcome home.

I love that. I love you guys. You guys are great guests. If people want to connect with you, how can they find you?

Social media. I'm Amanda Lynn Estates, which is my smaller Instagram. The other one is Miss Lomédiou. I'm very French, so you'll have to search Amanda Lynn, try to find it. But on everything, all social media, same name. Amanda Lynn can search me.

It's hard not to find her. Yeah, yeah.

And what about you, Miss Kat Nova?

Um, my real estate page is @novaluxuryestates, and my personal is @iamkatnova for your extra DJ content. I am Kat Nova.

Those of you guys want to hear some awesome techno, check her out. Uh, any big projects you want to mention? Anything coming up? Anything notable that you want to make light on? Just collabing with Baby Joe. Let's go! Obviously, big things coming soon. Make sure to stay tuned. God bless, guys. Thanks for tuning in.