Transcript of Texans-Jets TNF Recap with Seth Payne

Three receivers right. Garrett Wilson solo left. Rodgers in the shotgun. Takes the snap. Four-man rush. Lobs one left. Into the end zone for Garrett Wilson. One-handed catch. Incredible.

Did he get two feet down? He did not.

Out of the back of the end zone. He made an incredible catch. One foot down. Something. His knee may have hit before his hand didn't.

Yeah, his shin or his body part there.

An incredible shutdown catch by Garen Wilson. As he got the shin down in the back of the end zone, he makes his second one-handed countdown catch of the night, and the Jets have the lead.

Garen Wilson. Is that the play that turns around the Jets season? That at least turned around Thursday night football. That was Bob O'Shuzen and Anthony Bect on W-A-A-X. I am Greg Rosenthal here in the garage for NFL Daily. And yes, joining me on this show, Seth Payne, former Houston Texan legend, and now one of the best. Why are you laughing? Why are you What's going to happen, Seth?

That's what the NFL calls all the retired players' legends, which just so devalues that term like everything.

Okay. A good defensive lineman.

Yeah, that was a plugger. I tell you what, that was hell.

Okay, I know.

This is the risk. That was everything for a say night football promises to be and delivered on.

This is the risk. Yes, and yes, you can catch Seth. If you're in Houston, you know him as the co-host on Pain and Pentergast. And he does a great job, one of the best out there on the local radio in the country. And it's always a risk with these Thursday nights. You get on a guest that's leaning one way or another. Frankly, it wouldn't have mattered if you were on the Jets or the Texan side. The first half of this game was ugly, but it woke up after halftime. You didn't know which way it was going to go. Just the way this season has gone, you figured the Jets would find a way to lose it in the fourth quarter, and the Texans would find a way to win. But that play, Gareth Wilson doing his best Odell Beckham impression. And yes, it was It was different in many ways, but it was also a special, special catch by Gareth Wilson on Kwame Lasseter. They review it, they call it a countdown, and they end up winning this game 21 to 13 over the Texans. You're shaking your head about my comp to Odell Beckham.

No, no, no. It was a beautiful guy. I'm just now appreciating it. Having watched the highlight again, and it just in the moment, as soon as I saw that there was any hint of the shin potentially being down, I just knew it. I can't remember. Was that before or after the Texans made the field goal but got the penalty and advanced but then missed the field goal? That's before it. Okay.

That's before it. It was a crazy fourth quarter. Yes.

It was a crazy game. The Jets scored 21 points. Really, they scored 28 because Malakai Corley dropped the ball three centimeters from the goal line. I said at the beginning of this game, it felt like a game that was going to be decided by who committed the fewest catastrophes. And by the second half, I think what I said before this game in our pregame show was, Don't be the team that allows it to click for the Jets, for Aaron Rodgers to figure it out, to get Devante Adams going, to really start to see the best version of Garrett Wilson. And they did all that in the second half. And you especially, Wade Phillips had said... Wade Phillips tweeted out that it's hard to beat Rodgers when he knows what you're doing. And I know immediately people are going to take that as some an insult to Dimeco Ryans or anything. This is what those old quarterbacks do. They figure He was pretty out in the fourth quarter. He knew he was going to have Jalen Petrie, the safety/nickleback/nicklelinebacker, manned up on Devante Adams, and he took advantage of it, and he hit And just all credit to Aaron Rodgers.

I don't want to say vintage Aaron Rodgers, but he was clicking. He figured out he uses a hard count really well to diagnose what the defense is doing. And he just made some clutch plays out there. And for the Texans, this is a lot of the issues that we've seen bubbling beneath the surface, but they kept winning. But now it's all come home to roost. This was ever the poor offensive line played, big chunk plays on defense. They They've been playing like a 500 team in a lot of ways, but they've managed to win some close games. But this was... It's worse than 500 when you lose to win football team.

Yeah, I'm with you, and we'll dive deep into the tech because I want to take advantage of your expertise, your knowledge, your pain in this moment.

The legend, all the legend stuff.

No, just open up your heart and really find out what's happening. But let's give Rodgers some love because you're right. When you said, was this almost a vintage Rodgers game? I'm thinking, What are you smoking? He was seven for 14 for 32 yards in the first half. But you're right. You're right. After halftime, I forget, they only had three drives. They scored a shutdown on all three of them. And to Wade Phillips' point about figuring out what you're I mean, I actually think he had a decent idea for part of the first half. I mean, he saw when they were going press coverage on those third downs. And in general, he had the one-on-ones, and he was trying to hit him, but he just couldn't execute. So, yeah, he was averaging two and a half yards per attempt in the first half. They couldn't do anything. They fumbled one time, the corally fumbled. So they were going in for a score there. But their other five drives in the first half, they punted on either a three and out or a four and out every single time. And the difference, I think, between this Texans team and the one you would have seen a year ago is the Texans would have built up a lead in that scenario.

So you can blame it a little bit on D'Amico Reines' defense in the second half. But it's also on the offense for not taking advantage of a Jets offense that was really struggling in the first half. But in the second half, you're right. Garrett Wilson is a special player. That two one-handed touch downs. He goes nine for 90. He won the matchups. It was with Petrie. It was with Lasseter. They were picking on Stingley for a couple of drives. He struggled in recent weeks. Devante Adams goes out for a section of that fourth quarter after he had a really nice catch. Was that on Lasseter?

That was Lasseter. Yeah, Lasseter stumbled at the jump.

Yeah, with a nice break. That was on a fourth down, and he got hurt on that play. They check him for a concussion. And let's actually listen to the call because the throw to Adams on third down, where, again, he gets single coverage, is the one that really put the game away.

Shotgun, Aaron Rodgers. Three receivers right. Garrett Wilson solo left. To his left, Brees Hall takes the snap. Here comes the blitz. Lobs one. Down the right side, De Bonte Adams. He's got it at the 10, five, and the Jets touch down. Aaron Rodgers hucks up with his old buddy, De Bonte Adams, right down the chimney. And the Jets have a two-score lead.

Yeah. And if you're not watching it on YouTube, that was three minutes to go to make it 21:10 on a third and three on an all-out blitz. It absolutely worked, Seth.

It That's one thing. The Texans defense has done some things really well, but in terms of standing up to the test versus a quarterback who is good for at least a half of football, they don't have enough guys that can really genuinely play man. So they We got Jalen Petrie was a safety that they moved to nickel, but he's a better nickel linebacker and doing all that stuff than he is just being in man coverage on people. So they've got the lions next week. I'm sorry, man. I would try to play it down the middle and be professional since I'm on your fancy podcast for the nfl. Com folks and everything. But my God, they've got Detroit. I'm not an NFC guy. How's Detroit this year? Are they better than the Jets?

You do have another primetime game, though, right after that, which is against the Cowboys, which, as you know, I don't need to tell you, but for a listen, that's a big time That's shaping up as a big game because, yes, the Texans could be licking their wounds there at 6 and 4, and they haven't been as good as their record all year. The thing about tonight's performance that makes me most worried is what's made me most frustrated and worried about all the season. It's the slow, shook factor of C. J. Stroud. It's happening every week. I believe in C. J. Stroud so So much. I said three or four weeks ago, if I could just have one quarterback moving forward, including age and contract and everything, it's like, I mean, yeah, of course, Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, I mean, I guess so. But But considering age-Stick it to him, Greg. No, I'm just saying, considering age, Stroud is so young. Actually, I just love Stroud. And I thought he played so well despite what was happening around him for He was in for five, six weeks this season. But the constant pressure, I think, is starting to get to him.

He was sacked eight times in this game. The pressure rate was 45 to 50 %. But the times where he was protected in this game. Look, he doesn't have his main receiver out there. He did look a little panicky in a way that I've never seen out of Stroud that makes me believe what you would expect to happen. Eventually, all All this pressure, the accumulation, I think, is maybe starting to get to him. And that really makes me mad at your offensive coordinator.

Bobby Sloke is getting a lot of heat in Houston, increasingly so, and I don't anticipate. My show starts at 6:00 AM central time.I might not.That's in five hours. I'm going to do a five-hour YouTube stream. We should do the Seth Payne YouTube. It's awesome. It's legendary.

It is really great. Everyone, check out Seth on YouTube. Hell, listen to the radio show, too. Just stream it?

No, if you're in the misery, yeah, go ahead and just misery listen to it in the morning because it's going to be miserable. It's a concern. Look, I played with David Carr, and I was talking with one of my old teammates I talked to Gary Walker about this the other day when we were at Andre Johnson's ring presentation last week's game.

But David Carr, no big deal.

David Carr, just a bunch of legends hanging around. Andre, me, just He's legends. Same status. But we're talking about David Carr. And David Karr, you'd watch him in practice. And David Karr, back in 2002, 2003, he makes some incredible throws in practice, but he wasn't playing behind a good offensive line. I think the clock in his head got permanently destroyed. And you worry about these guys when they're in their formative years, if they're constantly under pressure. And when you're talking about CJ being cool under pressure, that early in the game, remember, he ducked away from Hassan Redik, shook Hassan Redik off. And you could see from the closeup, his eyes never dropped. He had his eyes downfield the entire time. So it's not like he's gun-shy, but But in a lot of this, I hate to make it as simple as, Well, man, things will be different if Nico Collins comes back next week from his ham string injury. But Nico does make a huge difference in not just the deep threat, but the stuff over the middle. You can connect on a slant over the middle to Nico, and he breaks three tackles, and it's 20, 30 yards pretty consistently.

And he just doesn't have anybody. There are no big receivers right now in the receiving corps. And even once Nico went down, you had Tank, and you had Stefan Diggs, but smaller guys, which I think CJ could still manage pretty well with, but he cannot trust the pass protection. And we've probably talked about the Left Guard more in the last few weeks than we have in over a decade. And we were wondering like, yeah, nobody wants to hear about. I was actually thinking about you. I told you because your son's a Texans fan now. And I was like, hey, I don't know how much people are talking about this before the game, but Left Guard is actually a big deal. Lo and behold, there you go. I apologize to your son.

Yeah, I would say you ruined his Halloween, but he's a nine-year-old. Halloween is Christmas. It's a close second to Christmas. A Texan's loss did not ruin him. In fact, as Aaron Rodgers was throwing that touch down past the Devante Adams, he had just gotten back from trick or treating, and He's out on the porch passing out the candy to the kids that are still coming by and having the time of his life. He's not going to be brought down on Halloween. We're walking on the way to school this morning, and he said, This is the best time of year. Well, Christmas number one. Halloween, my His birthday is second. A nine-year-old is not going to get it ruined, but he would be. I hate to think of the Texans fans who, I'm not going to say they were happy about an injury, but you did lose your left guard tonight, right?

Yeah, I had quite a few. I had actual DMs from people expressing how guilty they felt over that situation.

Kenyan Green, too, who is there. I got confused because there's multiple Greens there.

There's 2K Greens that play left guard. There's Kenyan Green and Kendrick Green. Kendrick is the scrappy little dude that came in and played left guard. He was a center in Pittsburgh, and he got demoted to fullback the next year, his second year in Pittsburgh. And they'd given up on him as an offensive lineman. He came to Houston and actually played guard last year before he got injured, and I thought it was way more impressive than I expected him to be. So this week, we were wondering, all right, Kenyan Green got benched in the game last week. Jared Patterson, the Notre Dame kid, came in for him and played made pretty well for one series, then he got injured, and we were expecting Kendrick Green to come in, but they put Ken Yung Green back out there, and then they rolled about.

Okay, this is for your five-hour YouTube. This is too deep down the rabbit hole. Yeah, I apologize.

Okay, this is what you need to remember. If you want to... Jets fans, if you're watching this, enjoy us being miserable for a second with stupidity, okay? Last year in New York was when C. J. Stroud was concussed by Quinn and freaking Williams It's by poor left guard play. So we were terrified going into this game, and that's what happened.Offensive way of an issue.You should have been.

I hope you didn't get distracted, but yeah, I was picking up the next-gen stats pass rush numbers as you were talking there to just see the offensive line and the pressures. And I saw these stats, and this is a murder scene. Will McDonald had nine pressures, two quick pressures, so that's under two and a half seconds. Quinn and Williams had seven despite 14 double teams. Despite getting double-teamed almost every snap, he has seven pressures, four quick ones. So up the middle that quick. You've woken up Javan Kinla. I mean, Larmy Tunzel gave up a big sack in a big spot. There were three different times where Stroud took a sack on third down. When it was third and long and they were in field goal range, he kept making those field goals longer. One of them, Fairbairn missed. One of them, he hit. And then this is where I do want to get to... You're right, Stroud. I don't think it's something that's going to last. I don't think it's going to be David Karr. No offense to David Karr. But first of all, I don't expect this pressure to continue forever. But I also think players go through streaks where maybe their eyes get down.

But Stroud has shown us who he is already as a pro, and they'll get it corrected at some point. But whether it's perfect this season or not, I don't know. I want to think about two little segments of the game. After Corley dropped that ball, it just felt like a big moment in the game. He has Mechie going over the middle, Stroud does, after another run-run pass sequence, which they had a number of those in this game. He was just about to deliver it, and he's getting hit low by Quinan Williams. And that's probably on the protection, and Stroud can't make the good play. Then later in the game, after they make a field goal, to make it a one-point game, it's fourth quarter, mid-fourth quarter. It's going to be 14-13. Jets are getting the ball back. Then they call a penalty on the Jets, unnecessary roughness. They move the ball inside the 10. This is maybe the key sequence in the entire game. Joe Mixon, who starts out the game great. His fantasy owners, as long as they weren't watching throughout, they're happy. 106 yards for a countdown. But all of that was in the first half.

After halftime, even late second quarter, it's one yard, two yard, one year. It dried up for them. And they're at the seven or eight-yard line, and I feel like they're panicky about the pass rush, and they go run, run, pass, like one yard. I think they might have lost the yard, like one yard, two yard, or two yard negative.

Three yards, no game.

Okay.

See, I'm just making things up. No, it's all the same.

It's all the same. Then So the third in goal is the one I wanted to get to. That was the one where that was a little panicky because he actually did get protected for once. And Mechie does come open on that play, and he seemed in between, and understandably was just like, I got to get rid of this And he had Mechie open, and that ends up being a really big play because then Fairbann hits it off. He doinks one from a chipshot range. Jets go on for the killer breakdown, and that's really your sequence. And then on that very last drive, not to beat a dead horse, But they're just trying to get a score late, and he's missing some throws that it seemed like they were open for him. I'm like, Oh, that is not the C. J. Stroud that I know finishing 11 for 30 for 191 on the night. Yeah.

And it's a hodgepodge of things. The offensive The line in the pass protection in general, I think, is the easiest thing to point the finger at. It's the most identifiable. I hate to overly simplify it, but I think that Nico Collins's presence last year was probably underrated in how much and how good that offense, or at least how much progress that offense made and how good CJ did. So it should make a difference. I don't know how much it helps and fixes the pass protection issues, but also there's too many times where it doesn't seem like CJ has answers for the blitz, and whether it's just him not going to the hots quick enough, if it's the actual play design at various times. I could point the finger. I mean, all of that eventually comes back to the offensive coordinator. And I think Bobby Sloak, who just got a bunch of interest and a whole lot of buzz about being a head coach, The entire offseason, we were wondering, all right, well, he had a really promising performance with a rookie quarterback, but he hasn't shown that he can create a complete offense. And a lot of that came down to, I talked to you before the season began, I felt like even people that were gushing about the Texans' offense nationally were ignoring the fact that they could not run the ball last year, even when it should have been easy to run the ball.

And now with Mixin, so much of it, even though the blocking has improved, so much of it is just Mixin being a younger Mixin. Like they said on the broadcast, it looks like he's five or six years younger than he was. He's able to take imperfect blocking, and blocking that for a lot of under running backs, it's a tackle for a loss or no gain. He figures out a way to get 10 or 12 yards. But by the second half, the Jets figured it out, and the Jets defense started to look a lot more like the Jets defense from the last couple of So they're simply not a complete offense with or without Nico Collins. You really get no feel that they can use the run game in the past game to complement each other or to balance each other out. They can't run when they need to run. It's been a mediocre offense in terms of scoring. I think they were 14th in scoring headed into this game. And that's pretty much what you said. They can't score in the second half. So that was no surprise to Texans fans that they couldn't score in the second half.

They've been miserable in the second half.

They're 20th in DVOA on offense going into tonight, which is crazy. And I think to your point about Sloak, Stroud's as composed, as impressive a young quarterback as I've ever seen. So I think he's got great players to work with. And it was a little less about the scheme last year and more just about they built the right offense around him, but excellent players. You have an all-pro left tackle. You have a Dynamite quarterback. You have Nico You have Tankdell. Now, Tankdell went 6 for 126 tonight. I think that was encouraging. For all this honking I've done about Stroud, the shutdown drive that they had, he had two of the best throws you'll ever see, one to Robert Woods on the run, one to tank Dell. And then he had the 50-yarder to tank Dell in the second half, which is just an absolutely insane throw. So the talent's there, the excitement's there. It's not like I think this thing can't get fixed. I'm glad you mentioned the blitz because Jeff O'Berick deserves some credit for when he dialed it up. This has been a bad Jets defense over the last three weeks since he took over, so they get a little credit here for getting the win.

Stroud goes 0 for 5 against the blitz when he threw it. And that says it all. I'm not sure how many sacks he took. I believe it was two sacks on those plays, too.

It was 37. It felt like 37 sacks.

Yeah. So he did not complete a pass against the Blitz. And Hassan Redik It makes a difference for this team and in this game. C. J. Stroud was strip-sacked in the first half. They had the ball inside the 10 or inside the 15 early in the game. And that was from a Quinn and Williams pressure on your boy Green. But also on the other side, Clemens collapsing the pocket. Reddick was collapsing the pocket all night. He ended up getting a sack. And then C. J. Stroud was trying to step up, but he couldn't step up because there was Quinn and Williams in the middle. So Will McDonald, like They had guys step up. And whatever the vision for whoever the Jets are going to be. Yes, it's against this Texans offensive line who have looked bad against everyone, but so have the Patriots. And the Texans, I mean, the Jets pass rush looked terrible last week, just five days ago against the Patriots. So it's a pretty big step in the right direction for the Jets to take what's a struggling unit and actually make a difference on defense. It's been a while, and they're going to have a long weekend, and they're going to feel like, okay, maybe we can build from this.

I think from the Texans' perspective, going against this team in the Jets, I was saying all week, look, they're two and six great. There's no looking past the Jets because all you have to do is look at the depth chart. And if there's anybody on the Texans that was looking at the Jets' depth chart and thought, Two and six football. You're dead inside. You're dead inside or you're high all the time. They've got players all over the place. The story was that they were... What's that?

I just said that sounds like a fun combo. Sorry for.

Dead and Well, usually it goes in the other order. But yeah. There's no let-ups versus this team in a primetime game. You're going against Aaron freaking Rogers. I don't care what he's looked like this year so far. You're going against... Garrett Wilson had had 300-yard games in the previous four games. You're going against Devante Adams, who, yeah, hadn't done much, but he's Devante Adams, and he's just been on the team for a couple of weeks. Last week, the Jets looked against the Patriots. They couldn't get a playoff. Last week, the Jets burned three timeouts in the first quarter to avoid delay of games. They got to delay a game in the fourth quarter. And in the first quarter of this game, you had your chance to pounce, right? The Jets were doing all kinds of Jets-type things, except the Texans matched them pace for pace with idiotic, weird, stupid things to do. So I think if I were a Jets fan, you don't want to read too much into a win like this. But that second half, man, they looked a lot like that depth chart should look when they're playing actual football.

Yeah, they play the card. It was funny. Al Michiels was great on this. Well, I wouldn't say he was great on this broadcast overall, because when the game is bad, it was just so low energy. Every once in a while, I just think, Does the NFL ever watch this and want announcers who are a little more excited the game because they're always just so complaining when it's a bad game. And the MetLife was dead.It was so dead.They were actually chanting, sell the team as they were going to have time, and there was booze and Al and Kirk. But When he was taught, he is great in certain aspects, too. The Al was saying how Aaron Rodgers, when he met with him, just went through this whole thing. Al was rolling his eyes as he was talking. He was very convincing talking about, Well, they'll just beat the Cardinals, and they're going to be a Western team going east, and then it'll be a short week, and you got the Colts, and then you go to a buy, and blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, Yeah, you can make the case there. They can win any of these games.

None of them are locks. And so the Jets could get back into it at three and six. The problem is, are they that much more likely to win any of these games than lose? They all seem about like 50-50 propositions. As much as the Texans have probably been a four and four type of team instead of six and two coming in, I think the Jets have been closer to a 500 team, and they just keep losing these heartbreaking close games. And so it'll probably balance out, but that still just means you're a 500 team. It doesn't mean you're about to go on some great run.

I think it's a big one to win this game tonight for the Jets. This is the very moment in the season when professionalism can start to wane. If the team is just dead in the water, then your younger players or your less professional players start to let go of the rope a little bit and just let water take them down. They start staying out a little later. They're not in the weight room as early. So that's a big boost at this point in the season. I think for the Texans, the trend has just been a steady degradation from week one until now to where things look like they're starting to catch up with some of their deficiencies. The Texans tackling even on defense, as good as they've been on defense, the first few weeks, they were really sound tacklers. Then you saw tonight lots of mistackles, lots of poor angles, lots of just giving guys, like guys that look like they do on the depth chart, the chance to break long runs. You know what, though? I got to blame Bill Belichick a little bit, I think. I didn't need Bill Belichick going up, criticizing Hassan Redik, and then Hassan Redik firing back on him on social media.

I don't know if you saw that. I didn't.

I didn't see the firing back. No.

No. Belichick I just had mentioned on the McAfee show or on one of the 19 outlets he's on that Hassan Redik was just running past the quarterback last week. So Hassan Redik said something like, Bellichick sounds like he's just sitting at home and bored. He needs a job. And I was like, well, he's probably making more money than you at his current jobs, but he showed up tonight. I mean, yeah, literally-So did Belichick on one of those underdog ads, though.

I mean, he's cashing them check, so they're both doing well.

Put a pin in the ad thing for a second, because as far as Hassan reddit goes, and that defensive line in general versus the Texans offensive line, I'm so tired. I'm so tired of people. We've got this propaganda machine for the offensive line in Houston, where people keep trying to point out how good the actual offensive line actually is. And they'll bring up the PFF grades, the pro football focus grades of the offensive tackles. And I'm like, Listen, in pass protection, they've generally been pretty good, but I don't usually play the PFF game. But if you're going to start the PFF game, pull up their overall grades, because both those offensive tackles are graded like 20 fifth and 28th in PFF. So if you're going to play the PFF game, don't cherry-pick. It's been a bad offensive line. As far as the ads, okay, they tailor those ads during the Amazon broadcast, don't they? We don't all see the I think they base it on your purchase history because I wanted to buy every damn thing I saw in the commercial.

Okay, yeah, the Amazon ones are crazy. I'm trying to think what they do. They put it up on the screen to just buy it. It's a lot of target.

Well, no, not even. Yeah, but also just the actual conventional TV type commercials, we're not all seeing the same commercials because I've never wanted... I changed car insurance companies last month. I saw every other ad was even more so than a normal football I saw a broadcast, an aura ring, which now I want one of these fitness trackers. I saw it and I want it now, and I've never seen an ad for it before. No, I didn't see that. I didn't see that. You probably saw a lot of toy commercials and stuff, and I saw zero toy commercials.

It'sthat's how they get you, man. I got the kids. Actually, while we're talking social media, let's actually put up a couple of other tweets. I just was enjoying the Seth Payne performance on Twitter in the first half of this game. He writes, Sauce tackles like the The elite golfer. He's focused on becoming-Oh, those were the days, weren't they?

Back when I was talking smack.

Yeah, that was-You're right, though. Soss Gardner had one drive in this game where I think he had a penalty, a miss tackle. He gave up a big play. It was crazy. This is how it went. And then he left hurt for a minute. It was just like, wow, it was a tough drive.

He missed a tackle to Dalton Schultz. Then he got beat by the 47-year-old Robert Woods on a triple move. And then he got beat by Well, he had to hold John Metchie because John Metchie was about to beat him, and then he got injured as he held him, I think. Yeah.

Yeah, that was a brutal drive for him. A couple of young cornerbacks who've been playing pretty rough. Let's see another tweet from Seth Payne. Those Jets fans have to pay a fee for grocery bags in New York, so you know they mean it.

Yeah, a reference to the guys wearing the bags over their heads. They're imitating the ain'ts.

Good follow. What is it? @sethcpain.

At Seth C. Payne, yeah.

There we go.

I quit Twitter for a while, and then I really...

Well, people started paying me to tweet, so I'm like, All right, I'm back in it, baby. People are paying you to tweet?

Yeah, I got sponsored posts now.

Wow. No, they're money.

I do the little hashtag ad. Don't worry, Greg. I'm not going to Amazon you.

I got to get in on that.

Those were fantastic. I'll send you some info afterwards.

Okay. Look, should we listen to the Malakai Corley dropped us to Was it worth it?

Yeah, those were the days, too.

The pain of the Jets as they were going in for the potential touch down.

Let's listen. Malone's step-back. Here's Chris Hall. An end around a Malakai Corley. Gets to the 20, to the 15 to the 10. Pylon.

That's a jet touch down. Wow.

The rookie makes an appearance and finds the end zone. Malikai Carly, his first jet touch down, and New York takes the lead.

Ruling on the field of a touch down is under further review.

I'm not sure for what. Malikai Carly, it turns out makes a rookie mistake. He dropped the ball before he broke the plane at the end zone, celebrating his countdown.

Oh, that poor kid, man.

That was only his second NFL touch, his first countdown. First of all, hold on to that ball. He just let it roll right out the back of the whole end zone. No one was paying attention to that ball. If the Texans had picked that up and ran with it, who knows? I mean, I don't know.

You know what I would tell Malakai Corley? This is what I would tell Malakai Corley. Listen, Malakai, first of First of all, killer name. Awesome. Good job. Second, I was on the field when a young Plaxico Burris in his first game ever got a reception over the middle, untouched by defenders, went to the ground, stood up, and spiked the ball, and we recovered it. And Plaxico Burris would go on to have a largely unblemished career, a productive career after that. On the field. So don't worry. He never did. Plexigoburris never did another stupid thing on the field. So you'll be cool. He's in New York. Register your firearms, Malakai.

You know what he also did, though, which I feel he doesn't get enough pop for? Score the goddamn game-winning countdown to beat the only undefeated team in NFL history in the Super Bowl. It's weird that the Plaxico Burris just absolutely destroying Ellis Hobbes off the line of scrimage gets forgotten in that moment. Right.

But I do feel... It occurred to me as Malakai Corley did that, or is it we realized that Malachi Corley did that? I feel like you should get one mulligan in a career. For something like that. If it is somehow you can just say, All right, this is once in a career, you get a mulligan on something like when you pull a Leon or... I would say Anthony Richardson pulled himself out of the game because he was tired.

Come on. Running backs do that all the time. He just had thrown a 300 pounder off of my...

Running backs do it all the time, and that's the point. It's that the running backs get rotated out. The point being that in the 100 plus history, a 100 plus history of the NFL. Nobody can remember another time a quarterback has done that. And by the way, yeah, he threw off... So when Anthony Richardson took himself out of the game, he fully fought a cost, he fell off his back, which was impressive that Anthony Richardson did that, 300 plus pound defensive lineman, but he didn't even make it to the line of scrimmage. It wasn't like a Lamar Jackson 49-yard run or anything. He got sacked on that play, and then he was too tired to go back in.This.

Is fair.Unconscionable. This is why you need the legend perspective because I'm just a podcaster, and I was like, Oh, it's not so bad. And then you hear the actual Colts team Captain Ryan Kelly basically saying what you just said after the game. I was like, I guess I'm wrong on this one. And that's why you are a legend.

You know what? Okay. So no, this is one of those things where I learned long ago. I never want to be that guy that says, you don't know because you didn't play the game. I hate that. I hate that when athletes do that, because your job, if you're in broadcasting, is to use your experience to explain why it's different. So I got a lot of questions from people this week like, Hey, Seth, why is it that big a deal? So I had to calm myself and not be a meathead that says, Because that's the way it is. Listen, quarterbacks, that's your offense. And if you're out there, it's because you need to be out there directing the And yeah, if you just had a physically grueling play, then if your coordinator knows what the hell he's doing, he's not going to call a run play on the next play. But this is what's being lost in it. Greg, it was third and goal. It was third and goal when they were down by 10. Imagine being a quarterback in a third and goal situation down by 10, deciding that I don't feel like I'm 100 %.

I need a breather here before we kick a field goal.

Poor young man. But anyway-But you added a lot of context, frankly, that we have a daily show. It's in the name. And yet we didn't have a lot of this context previously. So again, that's why you are a legend. And look, you were very self-facing when I called you that early on. But I've heard people say this. This is the thing about young white guys just when they hang around. You can just be like, someone can walk in you amongst your friend. It's just like, Oh, it's Bob. It's the legend. It's the legend. It's just like, Wait, who's Bob? He's just like, Oh, he's in accounting.

Okay, yeah, I'll take that. He's a legend. Yeah, all right.

That's you. Seth Payne. Yeah, check out his YouTube channel. Seth Payne on YouTube and Payne and Pendergrass. Yeah, you're starting that show soon, so we will send you on your merry way.

Oh, thanks for me on. I appreciate it, man.

We will be back for our Picks show. We got it with Cynthia Freeland on Friday afternoon, and then we do the whole thing once again with our Sunday recap show. Look, when the Jets are just giving their fans some hope, might turn into false hope, and it's getting into November. Yeah, you know football is back.

Texan Jets, AFC Championship. Yes.