Transcript of NFL Daily Broncos-Saints TNF Recap

First to goal at the five. Williams is single back. He gets to carry, hesitates, plows forward to the two, to the one, and in for a Denver TD.

He would not be denied.

Javante Williams from five yards out, his second TD of the night, and it's 25 to three, Denver.

That was Javante Williams scoring his second countdown of the night. A low moment in a series of low moments for the New Orleans Saints on a Thursday night to forget in the Superdome. 33 to 10, the Broncos end up winning this game. Jake Hayner is in at the end and put some lipstick on a pig in what was one of the lowest moments in Saints history. And that is a lot moments in this history. But my God, I don't know if this was the worst night to have the Saints Block Party podcast on or the perfect night to have on the Saints Block Party podcast. That's right. It's my friend Adam West and Ryan from the Saints Block Party podcast. Of course, that was Kevin Kugler from Westwood One. Fellas, I'm sorry, I guess, is how I'll start with this one, Adam. No.

I want to start this one with some... I like throwing facts out there. I don't have a producer, but I'm just going to throw some facts out here for DA's Saints tenure. Since he got hired as head Coach. He has beaten four teams with winning records. Four. Those teams were the Seattle Seahawks in 2022, were the Tateum game where he went Supernova, the Indianapolis Colts last year, quarterback by Garner Minchu, the Philadelphia Eagles, who were 14 and three, but that was also Garner-Minchou was starting that game in 2022, and the Bucks last year towards the end of the season. Those are the only teams that he has beaten as head coach. Furthermore, this is the first time that the Saints have lost back-to-back games at home by more than 20 points since 2001.

That was my senior year. I don't think I had season tickets that year. I had season tickets one year, but I did go to a few games that year. Yeah, not a great era of Saints football. There was some buzz that there were some fire Dennis Allen chants there. There was a paper bag. At the end of this game, there was an SOS sign. It was rough, but I come back, Ryan, to the fact that on a night where they were honoring Drew Brees, that's where really this all comes back to for me. On a night where Drew Brees was in the booth with Amazon, on a night where Sean Payton is in the building, for this to all happen tonight, that night, I just think that actually crystallizes everything because ownership is in the building. Gael Benson is in the building. To have that Loa moment while you're celebrating the highest moments of your franchise history with the best player in franchise history, Drew Brees, there. I think it spells the end of Dennis Allen, maybe even this week, maybe even after this game. Am I crazy?

I don't see it, not this week, but you're right. I thought about this game even before the season started, that this game, it would be the perfect time for Dennis Allen to really show who he is. And for the season to go high, it's gone so far. To start off so high, starting off 2:00, had us on a podcast talking about Super Bowl. And to end up, to lose four games in a row, how they did in bizarre fashion. Losing games, they should have won or could have won. And then just a depressing loss to the Chiefs where you just don't look like you belong in the field. Then you get ran out the building by the Bay Bucks and Baker Bay field. And then to have this game against the former head coach, the guy who put Dennis Allen on the map and basically just looked like a high school team, it's hard for DA. I don't see how DA comes back from this one.

I don't see that late season 1. It's his defense. That's the thing. So for people that haven't been watching the Saints each and every week. If you're watching on YouTube, we appreciate you all. The ones that came out tonight, you're the real fans. You're the real believers. It's probably a lot of your listeners, so I appreciate them. They love a tough night. And Broncos fans, by the way, we will give you your flowers. You're four and three. You've got a well-coached team. This team that the Broncos have reminds me a little bit of those late period Sean Payton Saints teams. They're not not going anywhere, but they're just too damn well coached to lose more than eight games. They'll probably end up winning nine games with ugly quarterback play. So we'll get to that. But in reality, just from a big picture NFL perspective, the story tonight is the Saints because this is a team... Yeah, we had you on after two weeks. I'm sorry, but actually, we had you on at the two perfect moments of the year because it really shows how quick things can change. It was a moment where I think Ryan, I think you said all you needed was Kendre Miller to believe that you guys were a Super Bowl contender.

You had Kendre Miller back tonight. What's up?

Hey, man. We're just missing eight other players, eight other starters.

That's all. Okay, so there are a ton of injuries for the Saints, and that explains a lot of what's happening on offense. But on defense, going into the game, they weren't that banged up on defense. They were normal banged up. And so this is the fourth straight game where they're giving up 25 points or more. That's the first time in Saints It's history. Isn't that crazy? I'm surprised that that's true. But Dennis Allen making that happen, 25 points, four weeks in a row. They give up 225 yards on the ground. So the last two weeks, they've given up about 500 yards rushing. There were moments in this game, and yes, Paulson Adibo got hurt, and Marshawn Latimor got hurt. By then, the game was already over. You really feel for Adibo who got an air cast and had to go to a local hospital. And so that's tough. But you saw guys ducking out of tackles, and Richard Sherman said it at halftime. It looked like a team that didn't want this to be their coach anymore, Adam.

We heard this going back to last week against the Bucks, right? You had Sean Tucker, who no one, even in fancy football, knew who Sean Tucker was, and he becomes NFL player of the Week. And copy and paste in the same stuff is happening this week against the Broncos with Sean Payton in the building. And I just I feel like you mentioned the Marshawn Lattemore getting injured thing. Was he injured? At this point, I wonder if there are players on the team who just don't feel like they want to play for DA anymore. I want to drop a little nugget that I just got texted as we're recording. I'll say this. I don't know how you can reasonably assess and evaluate Spencer Rattler behind this line and with no receivers, but it seems like the team may want to get a look at Jake Kaner going into that next game against the Chargers.

Okay, so Rattler left the game with about two minutes to go. He was having his side checked out. He got hit a bunch. He ends up 25 for 35 for 172 yards. They obviously didn't score enough. They didn't move the ball great against a good Bronco's defense. He didn't look terrible. I mean, his top receivers are Cedric Wilson, Mason Tipton, Bob Meams, and they're missing two or three starting offensive linemen against one of the best pass rushers in the league. And he got thrown around. But actually, when he got a chance to throw the ball and he wasn't under pressure, he looked pretty good. He made a few plays with his leg. I mean, if you're looking at him versus Bo Nicks tonight, sorry, Bronco's fan, it's not like you saw a bunch of separation between those two quarterbacks. It was just absolutely everything else that was going on in this game. But yeah, it must have I don't know, man. You guys seem a little too calm. I don't know if you're just giving NFL Daily energy because if it was Saint's Block Party energy, we'd be hearing Adam getting up in the items and everything.

I mean, that's coming later, but I'll say this. Come on, bro.

We're here.

How does he have a job after tonight? He should not leave the building having a job. It This is not me. I'm not the one, and I hear, Well, you were asking for DA to be fired, and what about his family? They're going to have to switch their schools. We're fans. They'll be fine. At this point, the thing that Ryan and I have talked about is that since Dennis Allen has been hired, there has been a continual teardown of the culture that Sean Payton has built. A couple of days ago, Mickey Loomis goes on WWL and talks about You have to look beyond the wins and losses and look beyond all this. And Bobby A. Bear is like, What are you talking about? It felt delusional. And I know a lot of the heat is going to be put on Dennis Allen, as it rightfully should. But as you mentioned in the three of you talking with Jordan Rodrie, talking with Colleen Wolf, Mickey Loomis is the big bad behind all of this because of the power that he wheels, because a lot of the decisions that he's made has led the Saints to be where they are.

So even if they fired Dennis Allen as a Saints fan, you just have to hope in hope that either Mickey Loomis goes into a higher role that's non-football related or that he just lucks out and hires a head coach that has the football brains that can put him in check like the coach he did with Sean Payton. That was across the board.

How much higher can he get? He's like the owner. He's essentially like an acting owner. He reminds me of Pete Carroll in Seattle, who I always thought was as close to an acting owner after the death of their previous owner. I think there's some similarities here. I think Gael Benson is more involved. But I think Mickey Loomis, it's fair to say, has about as much power as almost any executive or any really team president in the league because he's been there so long. He's been involved with the Pelicans and stuff. Ryan, you pushed back at me on Twitter when I said the question is, to me, is Mickey Loomis going to survive all this? Because Dennis Allen is his guy, and there's a thought process that he kept Dennis Allen because that's a coach that's not going to push back on him that helps him keep that power. And you were like, no way is Mickey leaving, which is crazy because I think the rest of the league looks at this and probably thinks like, wow, this is a situation where it's finally maybe over.

Yeah, you would think in a normal franchise, but not with the Saints. And look, you're talking about Mickey Loomis. This is a guy that's in Gael Vincent's will. He would be the executive of a will if Dennis Luci and the other President, weren't there. He's not going anywhere. Now, will he be the Saints GM? Will he move on to some other role? Team Director of Sports Engagement, who knows? Just something besides running the football operations. And the thing about having such a strong footing like he has, where's the accountability? Who holds him accountable? We know Gail Vincent is involved, but we don't know how much he hears from outside the building since she's so insulated within New Orleans. It's like, who's going to check Mickey Loomis?

Well, she was there today because Drew Brees had a Hall of Fame luncheon where they officially put him into the Saints Hall of Fame. And Sean Payton and a whole crew of ex-L X Saints. Joe Lombardi was there.

Pete Carmichal.

Pete Carmichal. All these guys that used to coach for the Saints, they crashed the party. And Gael knew that it was there. He said that. So the owner knew that he was going to come there. On one hand, it's awkward if you're an outsider. On the other hand, it makes total sense. Those are the people that were there with Drew Breeze. And that's cool. It was fitting that Sean Payton was there tonight as bad of a game as it was. It was supposed to be this great night in terms of celebrating Drew Breeze, but instead, it became a really crazy whiplash of a segment of this game. Let's go back to the end of the first half and talk about how that ended. At the time, it is, I believe, 16 to three. And the Saints get the ball back with 16 seconds left in the half. And they line up and they start playing some offense. I'm like, okay, I actually like this. Teams should do this more. Try to hit a shot down the field, take a time out, get a field goal, but it doesn't work. They run a screen. Alvin Kamara gets absolutely blasted on a potential screen a couple of plays.

And then they're snapping the ball with nine seconds left. They throw another pass. There's four seconds left. The half is essentially over. They got 70 yards to go, and they take a time out. They take time out. If you're watching on YouTube, you could see Spencer Rattler mouthing, What are we doing? And that's what everyone in the building was saying, What are we doing? Because after that time out, where DA starts looking around as if he wasn't the one that took the time out, they just kneel on the ball. So they took a time out for everyone in the crowd to be like, What the hell to kneel on the ball? And then they kneel on the ball, and the crowd just starts booing like crazy. It's a low moment. They're booing like crazy. Cut to 10 minutes later. They do the ceremony for Brees. It appears to get a really good reaction. Shout out to the Saints fans that were there. Let's actually listen to Drew Brees doing his old war chant with the crowd.

Here we go. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, six, nine, six, Yo, shout out to Drew Brees because him getting the crowd to get up like that in that moment.

Now, I wasn't there, so I don't know how loud it was or whatever. That's one of the best examples of love that that crowd could ever show because there was not many people in the mood for that. And from the sound of it, from the reporters there, a lot of people stayed for that ceremony. They yelled. They were We out. We out. It wasn't even that big a blah. It was 16:03, but they left. So that just shows you, Ryan, how much that city loves Drew Breeze, that they did that in that scenario. What a crazy whiplash that was.

Yeah, just the juxtaposition of just those memories with Drew Brees, all the winning that happened, just a completely different time than we're in now. And it's like, here's the reality about one of my guys I follow on Twitter has been My father for a long time. He always, after Drew Breeze retired and we were complaining about Jameis Winston or something on Twitter, and he was like, Shut up. This is how the rest of us live. You know what I'm saying? Because he's like a Titans fan. I was like, That's a good point. We've been so spoiled the last 15 years with Drew Brees, and this is how life is. You don't have a franchise quarterback. It's hard to find a great coach. It's just a tough life. But I'm hoping that Spencer Rattler becomes something. I do see talent there. Would he be a franchise quarterback? Too hard to say right now, too early to tell. It's too hard to evaluate him right now. But I think Hopefully, when the Saints do get a little more, a few injured players back, Eric McCoy, Tazer Hill, some of the offensive line, M'Crissell Lavey, maybe you could start to evaluate Spencer Radler a little better.

That's the most important thing for this season to me.

Wow. Yeah, it's a good point. And since we last did a podcast, Rasheed Jahid is out for the season, which is just such a killer injury for the Saints. We found out later in the week that he was going to undergo surgery. That's worst case scenario. And this is a receiver group going into the year that I thought after the top two was as thin as any in the league, and then you're missing your top two. Alavi should return after that concussion. But the defense is really what gets you. I'm looking up at my screen. We'll have to check out how this interview went later. But Sean Payton is on the desk with the Amazon crew in the Superdome. It's crazy. Adam, your buddy, nick Underhill, wrote a great column this week. It's complicated with Sean Payton. That for fans of the Saints, it's like, you can feel however What do you want with Sean Payton coming to town? Because that man did so much for you, but he also quit on the team. I think from an outsider, from people that aren't Saints fans, they probably forget that, that when Sean Payton retired, everyone thought he was, quote, unquote, retiring.

But It came out that he was quitting on them, and he was coaching the Dolphins in his mind. He was coaching the Dolphins, and Tom braided was his quarterback. He was quitting on the Saints in the middle, pretty soon after he had negotiated a big payroll raise from the Saints a year before that. So he quit on them, and he was going to the Dolphins. The NFL did not allow that. The Dolphins lost their first-round draft pick because of it. Tom braided never went there, and it didn't happen. So there's still some feelings there. But for him to be laughing up with Bo Nicks on the set with Richard Sherman, who was saying, Saints fans might be waiting for DA at his car after the game. Man, what a night.

I knew all it was, man.

It is. Ryan I think Ryan hit it. And I feel like, okay, I know people who are Broncos fans are going to listen, listen, be like, why aren't you talking more about the Broncos?

We're going to get to it. We're going to get to it. We got time. We got time. Okay.

But I just want to piggyback off of Ryan's point. The biggest question that the Saints needs to have answered next season is if they have somewhat of an answer at quarterback and Spencer Rattler, or if they need to draft a quarterback in the draft. So right now, I know it's fake, but right now, the Saints have the seventh overall pick in the draft. That looks completely different from an organizational standpoint. If you feel like you have the guy in the building and you don't need to draft a quarterback at seven and draft another position of whatever, best player available, if you're drafting that high, as opposed to if you feel like you don't have the guy and you feel like you have to draft the guy at seven. To me, that's the biggest question that they have to ask, because I feel like if they can answer if he's the guy, whatever the guy is, I'm not saying franchise quarterback, but at least a good NFL starter for a certain number of years, let's say modern day Gino, If you feel like you have that in the building, no matter how the rest of the season goes, I feel like that's a win from an organizational standpoint.

Yeah, but you're saying they might want to look at Hayner, who threw a couple of nice passes on that garbage time drive and got a touch We'll see. I mean, yeah, it's a long way to go. You're already talking about next season, and I get that, but you're not even close to halfway here. You got 10 more games to play. The way this defense looked like they gave up on Dennis Allen to It makes you wonder about decisions. You mentioned Latimor, he missed a lot of camp with that ham string, and then he was out late in this game. There was a moment, and our friend Jordan Rodriguez pointed out to me, on that Bronco's shutdown drive in the second half where guys aren't getting off their blocks, but guys aren't even sticking their arms out to make tackles. There was a play, and DeBario Davis also left this game with an injury, and he's the ultimate pro. He was in the right gap, but did not give great effort on a potential tackle attempt on that drive either. Maybe he's fighting through an injury, but it's It's been tough to watch the last couple of weeks.

When it rains, it pours. Honey Badger has an interception on one of Bo Nicks' worst throws, go right in his bread basket at the end of the first half. He could have maybe had a long return. Maybe he was looking up to see it, and he just drops the thing. And that's not not trying, but that's just bad. I don't know where it goes from here because they weren't getting any pressure on Bo Nicks tonight. I went and looked at the next 10 stats. Bo Nicks went 0 for 4 under pressure, which is like, man, that's rough. He didn't hit one pass under pressure. Then I was like, he only had four passes under pressure? What's up with that, Ryan? Like, your pass rush, man.

Pass rush is bad. I don't want to hear anything about pressures because I've been seeing stats that Saints have a certain level in pressures. No, they are not good at affecting the quarterback. Quarterbacks have a lot of time to throw the ball. Quarterbacks can run the ball. Anybody can run the ball against the Saints defense. It's been bad for a couple of years now. Sean Tucker. Sean Tucker ran for almost 200 yards. What is going on?

Well, yeah. Javante Williams tonight goes 14 for 88. Two touch downs on my daughter, Ellis's fantasy bench. My son Walker was telling her before the game, put Javante Williams in. He had the scouting report on. He said this Saint's defense isn't good. She didn't listen.

Bo Nicks ran for almost, what, 90? Or he had 83 the last time I checked.

Seventy-five yards he ended up with along a 32. Although that's a continuation of a trend. Now, let's give the Broncos some flowers, at least.

Come on, Broncos. Let's go.

A little bit. They're 4 and 3. They are. They play the Panthers next. Then they have Ravens and Chiefs in a row. But after that, they have the Raiders and the Browns. Those are three of the worst teams in the league that are coming up in your next five games. You're four and three. I think the way this Broncos team is now, worst case, you're going two and three in those games. Right now, you're showing me you're one of those teams that can beat the bad teams. You might lose. You probably will lose most to the average teams, and you'll lose to the good teams. Last week, Chargers, a real quarterback, a real defense, they didn't really stand up. Maybe they'll win some of those games. But you haven't played the Raiders and the Bronco and the Browns and the Panthers. Their They're pretty good situationally. They're good on special teams. This is the type of stuff that you guys talked about that Sean Payton could do, real coaching. They're getting a running game going. Javante Williams, not last week, but a couple of games before that, the two games before that, was running the ball pretty well.

They're getting pretty good offensive line play. Bo Nicks actually has the fourth most value of any quarterback in terms of rushing in the NFL. Adam's making a face at me. I mean, he's dead last in EPA for drop back, dead last of any quarterback. He's giving you some rushing value. He's not throwing the ball too well. I'm just saying an offense that doesn't make too many mistakes and a defense that travels that plays bigger than the sum of their parts, that rushes the passer real well. Man, they're going to hit that over for whatever their win total was. It was like five and a half. They're going to get to eight or nine.Mash it.

Listen, I think people, and I feel like as a football fan, as I've gotten older, you you really start to realize how important coaching is, especially in football, especially in the NFL. I don't think the Broncos didn't strike me as a team that is going to go far, but it has the parts where they should at least maybe be frisky and be a wild card team. And then once you get into the dance, who knows what happens? I was agaced by some of the passes that Bo Nix was throwing, especially if you go back to their first drive and on that play, there was two wide open Denver players.

That was rough.

What is their ceiling? Like you said, 8-9 wins. But at least as a Broncos fan, you know with Sean Payton, you're going to get a well-coached team. And a psychopath, and I mean this as a term in endearment that looks into every way an advantage of how I can help my team win. Special teams, defense, offense, who are the reps that are calling this game, what are their tendencies and how they call the game. Just really my new things that comes with being a great head coach. And I feel like as a Broncos fan, you can't ask for more. And I also feel like Broncos fans, there may be like, Broncos fans who are not big fans of Sean Payton as a head coach. Oh, yeah. Which that seems to be very prevalent. But there aren't many people that approach the game and approach the game day like he does.

Ryan, you guys were leading the brigade about DA last year, not too happy with him. Then they start out 2-0, people asking for apologies from you all. Is there anything you'd like to say?

I have no apologies. Look, we went into this season for the Saints. Like, look, show me, show me. We talk all the talk this offseason about, oh, we're going to execute better. We got to We got new scheme coming in. We got Clint Kubiak coming in. We're going to make it easy on their call. We're going to run the ball, blah, blah, blah, blah, They continue to show us they are who we thought they were. You know what I'm saying? All right.

He did a screen.

And this just is what it is.

Sean Payton, they're not letting them off the hook. They are not. It's crazy, though. I know the NFL is like a week to week league and everything. And yeah, we're getting some comments from the YouTubers. I think some of your listeners are watching here. Ryan and Adam would like to apologize to absolutely no one. And yeah, Sean Payton is not apologizing for this one either. I bet this felt so good for him.

Oh, yes. He loved it. I'd say he did not want to let the Atlanta touch down. He did not want to. You know it, bro.

You know it. He's sick about it. He's sick that they scored a touch down in this game. I can guarantee you he is.

Although let's actually listen the Bronco's last touch down. We're going to listen to the Saints radio network call of it. This is late in the game. Poor Spencer Rattler just getting hit.

Second and 10 as Rattler is in trouble again as that ball comes up in the air. That's going to be an interception, and that is going to be a shutdown going the other way for Cody Barton as Rattler was hit.

Ball popped up in the air like a piece of cotton candy for Cody Barton.

Just floating in the air, and he took it the other direction.

That is sad, Mike Haas there on WWL. Yeah, that score, it was 33 to three at that moment. You got to give this Bronco's defense some credit. Vance Joseph, one of the best things Sean Payton did when he took that job. Vance Joseph, back in the building after he was a head coach, doing a fantastic job, just blitzing and blitzing and blitzing. And this pass rush, they really got something going now. They brought Darren Browning back. Tonight was probably their best pure pass rusher from an injury, so he played for the first time all year. Nick Bonito, who's a pass rush specialist, has a sack now in five straight games, which is wild. Zack Allen is playing at an all pro level. Patrick Sertan, who is out for this game, is playing at an all pro level. Riley Moss is going to be inspiring white kids across the country to start playing cornerback again because they're out there hitting. That was what really struck me tonight. You got to admit, Saints were catching the ball, and man, they were just on them, and they were hitting. So this is a defense with an attitude, man.

No, I like watching. I like watching Maul. I like him coming out. And I think overall, man, I was telling a buddy of mine who's a Denver fan, a Denver Broncos fan. He was really down on Sean Payton. One thing Sean Payton is going to do is he is going to try to get the best out of his guys. And even when you look at this defense coordinator, last year, after they allowed 70 points, everybody wanted to run out the building. Sean was going to stick with them. And Sean loved... Look at who he's had in the past, like Greg Williams, those guys. He loves the blitz. He loves to put pressure on the quarterback by any means necessary. So he's going to have his defensive coordinator to bring that heat. And it seems like today, in today's NFL, the blitz is working. It's the day where you can just beat the blitz. For some reason, I'm trying to figure it out, quarterbacks just not beating the blitz. I know, that's what I think. Yeah, absolutely.

Some people in the comments getting on us for picking on Nicks. And I'm just thinking, I'm looking at these Nicks stats. It was actually over five under pressure, so there was one more pressure.

Did they watch the game, Greg?

Did they watch the game? I know because that interception that he should have thrown to Matthew, some of the throws early. Here's the telling stat from Nicks tonight. They've really done a good job coaching around him. It's tricky. I actually think this team would be better with Jared Stittem. I really do. When he held the ball over two and a half seconds tonight. Those are more like in-rhythm throws or trying to get to the second read. And Kireb Street was hammering this point on the broadcast. He cannot get past his first read. He was 10 for 19 for five yards per attempt. Negative 20% completion percentage over expected. And that's what you see all year long in terms of completion. For a guy that needs to win, you think of a guy that's not crazy arm arm talent that you got to win from the pocket, but he doesn't stay in the pocket, and he's not really good at throwing on the move. He doesn't have the arm strength for that. It's a bad combination. He's great at scrambling. He's literally been one of the best scrambling quarterbacks in the league this year. But other than hitting those little short seven-yarders on your first read and scrambling, he's not hitting anything else.

That's hard to run. Eric Wilkinson says, It's just ridiculous. It's like the kid is the punching bag of every talking head. He's literally playing better than Elway at the same point of his career talking about bonus.

That sounds like Mickey Loomis talking about DA being like Chuck Noel.

Oh, wait, when he was reading off the records? Because I want to update That actually Dennis Allen is now 26 and 51 for his career. 18 and 23 with the Saints, which isn't as bad, but it's not good.

So that means if you were to double his wins, he would be one game above 500 in his NFL coaching career. If Dennis Allen's name was Dennis Jackson, would he still have a job?

No.

Absolutely.

So wait, if Dennis Allen won 10 straight to finish the season and then three playoff games, that's 13 wins. So if they won the Super Bowl and then they started out next year 13 and 0, then he would be above 500. Won the Super Bowl without a loss. I don't think that's it. Sorry, this is dark.

Here's the crazy thing when you're talking about Bo Nicks. And I'm not saying this as a certainty, but I believe if you were to switch Spencer Rattler and Bo Nicks, and he was the Denver quarterback, I think football fans and football media would think about the Broncos a little differently, just a little bit, if he was a quarterback rather than Bo Nicks.

Yeah, I agree. Nicks hasn't shown enough consistently as a passer. So Broncos fans want to give him a ton of credit for winning. You all have been down that road before. It was a man named Tib Thiebo that we had this argument about who gets the credit for the wins, the quarterback or the team? Because people were telling us that you had just some magic Magic Sauce. All right. I don't want to hold you any longer. You guys are taping a Saints Block Party podcast later tonight, right?

Yeah, right up to this.

And you're in Mobile, right, Ryan?

Yeah, this is what? Almost 11 o'clock, but I'm ready to go.

Okay. After seeing how those UK folks do it where they're doing their postgame shows at 1:00 in the morning or the primetime games ending at 4:30 in the morning, that's crazy. I was like, Okay, this is light work for you. But this is one of the great reasons to live on the West Coast.That is true.I know how it feels me there.

That is very true.

All right. I appreciate everyone who tuned in to the live stream. I appreciate everyone who listened to the podcast all week long. We will be back on Friday. I have my Picks show with Cynthia Freeland, and then, of course, our Sunday Night Recap. Adam, Ryan, thank you. Appreciate you guys.Thank you.Thank you. See you next time. Check out the Saints Block Party podcast. When they're asking get fired, you know football is back. See you next time.