Transcript of #618 - Sam and Colby

Today's guests are some young, paranormal explorers. They're those boo babies, you feel me? Them spook larkers. They're here today. They've amassed a huge following on YouTube, over 13 million subscribers. They've been to some of the scariest places on the planet. I'm looking forward to learning about that and getting my Halloween up. Today's guests are Sam and Kolby.

I know me, and I will find a song I've been singing just for.

I love this. I love this. Sam and Kolby, thank you guys for coming in, man. Thanks for having us. I appreciate it, man. Yeah, I appreciate it, dude. We're stoked. Ou like Ouija Lurkers. What do people call you guys? Is it spirit hunters, Paranormal Amiga? What do you guys Amigos.

That one. That one.

That's great. I guess, what do you guys call yourselves? Is it Ghost Hunter? What is it?

Honestly, we should go with that one for sure.

We should rename our channel to just Paranormal Amigos from now on.

Seance Monkeys, maybe. I'm just trying to think.

I mean, that's way cooler than just saying Ghost Hunters. Most people call us Ghost Hunters, but honestly, we're just two dudes with the camera. We just document everything that happens to us.

We're not experts at all. We don't know what we're doing. So we just go into these Honda places with a camera, just us two and a couple of guests, and see what happens.

I wish we were psychics and mediums, but we can't channel them. Not that cool.

It's almost like Ghostbusters, but like community college.

Yeah, dude. Exactly.

That's hilarious. That's fair to say.

Like the off-brand TV Ghost Hunter. Exactly.

No, it's fun. That's honestly, that is part of the adventure. So we have no idea what has happened. Sometimes it's the craziest thing we've ever seen. And then sometimes just nothing happens. We're shooting the shit with our friends, which is also super fun, too.

You guys have 15 million subs on YouTube How many people live in your hometown?

Oh, my God. Maybe less than 100,000. So it's so bizarre to think about. It's wild. We're from Kansas. So small town, Kansas, to all this stuff. It's definitely a wild experience for sure.

So 150 of your hometowns. Is that how many followers you have?

All coming together. It's wild to think about. It's still surreal to this day. Like you were saying, we grew up in a small town, suburbs of Kansas City. So moving out to LA and Vegas has been a wild change for us. And we did it just after high school, too. So at 18, we didn't know anybody.

It just shows how many people are really interested in spirits and like, afterlife. I mean, I'm sure every single person as a human is always wondering what happens after I die? I don't know if you believe in ghosts or not, but you've probably had that question of what does happen. Is it possible to communicate with your loved ones and stuff?

I think it's one thing that we all have in common, right? I think it's one thing that it's that one question that none of us can answer. And then also, I think a lot of people think that ghost hunting died a little bit because it was this older thing that was more popular. And then when a lot of technology really started popping off, I think people thought, oh, well, nobody's seeing ghosts anymore as much. People thought you'd see them more on cell phones and stuff. But since nobody's seeing them, I think people... I remember five or six years ago being like, Dude, where are all the fucking ghosts?

Where did they go?

You'd think if every single person had a camera, they would have clear evidence of spirits. Mad ghost, dude. You see Casper every day. I was hanging out with this.

You see just stacks of ghosts. You'd see just a bunch of Boo Orgies and shit popping off. Boo Orgies, yeah. It's not like that, man.

It's the opposite. We've had a couple of Boo Orgies. Have you ever seen...

Oh, have we? I said, I wasn't there for that one.

I wasn't conscious during that. Excuse me.

Hopefully not.

Just so our listeners know, you guys met in...

We met in Kansas in highTipical story. High school. We were 14 years old. We met in Band Camp. Typical story. High school, and then we were else like, Yo, we don't want to end up like all the other kids in Kansas, just doing the same old go to college, get nine to five, whatever. That was fine. Go do your thing. But we just really didn't think that was for us.

Do you remember the first time that you saw each other?

That was super romantic.

Was at a coffee shop in seventh grade.

That does make it sound very romantic.

Sorry. No, believe it or not, I actually do I remember the first time I saw you. Really? I think you remember this, too, when I tell this story. But it was in middle school. We were like, yeah, actually 12 or 13 or something like that. Each month, there would be these awards that the students could earn or whatever or get. For example, best dressed or Sam, for example, won the best haircut of the month or something like that.

I do remember that.

That's crazy. When he walked over the stage, I was like, That guy, he does have really cool hair.

That was the first time we saw him. The rest was history.

He's got that Roman front waterfall going on. He's got that beautiful... Yeah, he could make mittons out of that.

That's what I'm saying.

That's beautiful. But you remember that?

Of course. He won the award? He won the award, and I was just like, I have to be friends with this guy. Maybe even start a Vine account eventually.

There we go. Yeah, Kolby is the one that knew of Vine and YouTube and stuff. I was not into all that stuff. But then he was like, Dude, there are people right now making Vine videos and stupid videos at their mall that are getting millions of views, and no one's in on this. And so we just decided to go for it because we were like, I don't want to live forever just in Kansas doing the normal route, and let's try it.

We didn't even know there was a career money to be made out of it, but I just looked up to a lot of people on social media that I was like, Come on, we can do this if we really try. And then he saw the vision once things started picking up.

Yeah, just to do content, I was like, Oh, I don't know, 100 %. But once I saw, Oh, this could be our way to have a voice. This is our way to get out of Kansas. This is our way to travel, meet cool people, all these different things, build a business. It was like, Oh, wait, let's go. And so we locked in on senior year of high school. And I remember parents were like, if you get X amount of dollars, we'll allow you to take a gap year instead of go to college.

If you earn that many dollars in a year?

It was like, I don't know, $15,000 or something because that would be enough for a couple of months rent in LA. And it's like, okay, well, then we had our whiteboard and we check off the amount of money we're making in senior year.

Like, okay. Post everyday livestream every single day. We were on grind mode. Again, being from Kansas, there was nothing to do really besides their school.

Was there haters around the ville? Was there haters in the branches of the local trees? Was it like that?

For sure, yeah. No, our own high school didn't like us.

This was also during the time when social media wasn't very popular. But we get called in to principal office. We're like, What are you guys doing on Vine? This is not cool. We don't want you guys representing our school like this. I was like, God. Also, we started with public disturbance. We'd go to our local mall, jump off tables, ride couches up escalators, do stupid stuff.

I saw you all following some fats at the mall.

We don't do that anymore.

We don't do that anymore.

We live and we learn, all right?

Hey, man. My stepmother's fat, all right? All right. Well, she didn't know it, but...

Well, now she does.

Anyway, sorry, I'm just joking around. But at a certain point, you guys pivoted to checking out abandoned places, right? Yeah. Then now it's become more haunted spots. What made you switch from just Oh, shit, just being abandoned isn't enough, right? Because I've been in some abandoned places. We need more, right?

We used to be scared of spiders. Now we're scared of spiders and ghosts.

What makes you be like, Hey, bro, there's nobody in this dark room we're in.

Let's bring them in and summin them.

Let's light up a Ouija board. Yeah, what makes that... How do you get there? What makes you make that turn?

Well, to be completely honest with you, we started doing the abandoned stuff in 2017, 2018. 2018. And yeah, we were legally doing pretty much all of our videos back in the day, and we got arrested. So in 2019-So you were just showing up places?

Yeah, we would just be like, okay, there's this abandoned asylum. Let's try to our way in and figure a way in and figure a way out without getting caught. And it was really fun. I mean, that's exhilarating. But there came a time that we actually got caught and we're like, oh, well, we can't do this as much anymore. But luckily, about a year prior that, we had started going to some places that had haunted lore, right? And we were like, I don't really believe in this stuff. Actually, both of us were very skeptical of anything haunted, ghost-related before we started. And we thought it would be great. Let's do this abandoned stuff, but let's see if there's a ghost there. That's funny. It's probably not. It's just a dark building, but it'll be great for content. But then things started happening. It was like, wait, what actually was that? What was that voice? What was that slam? What was that door that just crashed in front of me? And then have it over and over and over again. And we're like, wait, this might actually be real. And then we went to this place called the Queen Mary in Long Beach.

I don't know if you heard of it. Oh, yeah.

It's an old ship, right? Have you been before? Yeah, I think I did comedy on it. Oh, wow.

That's awesome. Yeah, it's a huge hotel and it's awesome.

I love some bad jokes on that AMF. So if one of those showed up, that was me. Okay, for sure. If you heard people booing, that wasn't a ghost. That was just audience people.

That's great. But yeah, we had such a crazy experience.

And you really did. You're really having these experiences. You're really... This is real. Yeah.

1000 %.

Well, the entire time, we didn't really We didn't believe. So we were like, let's test it because actually, it would be cool if there was something. It would be really fun. And so at this time, we were skeptical, but we wanted something to happen. And then at the Night of the Queen Mary, even We gave up. We actually did this entire video, and nothing really happened all night. Then at the very, very end of the night, turned off cameras, and we're like, Well, that was a horrible video, but let's just try it one more time for the rest of the night. It was 4: 00 AM. Then slowly, stuff started happening off camera. This is how real it is for me. It's like, if it was just for content, we just turned on the cameras and try to capture it. But instead, we just sat there and tried to have a conversation with a spirit. And that night completely changed my life. It made me religious. It made me want to get to this whole spiritualist thing. And we talked about this many times after being like, okay, screw this abandoned stuff. I want to know the answer.

This is not just for content anymore. This is beautiful. If it's actually out there, if there is something on the other side, I want to know. And so that dove us into this whole career over the last five, seven years. Wow, man.

As you're building that up there, as you're telling me that even when you were starting just that parable there, or starting that, when you were starting to share there, it made me think of faith. It's like you think there's nothing there, and something shows up. And like you're saying, you were hoping something, but nothing had occurred. It's the same thing with faith. Even for people that are religious or believe in some higher power, you have to meet it halfway. Just the fact that you guys showed up willing to meet whatever could be out there. Then whatever's out there, sometimes the way it shows up could be positive, but maybe the way we interpret it, too, is scary to us because it's coming from a place that we can't understand.

Very, very true. When we first started, my entire life, I've been Christian. We first started with this Queen Mary experience. For Sam, like he was saying, it was something where he didn't believe in anything. Fuck, I didn't know this. Yeah, but I've always been born and raised Christian. For me, it was more of just a hopeful thing that's securing my beliefs, I guess you could say. It really just depends on the person. But anybody can take the paranormal however they want, depending on what they believe in their personal lives.

But you're right. It's so much more of putting yourself out there and meeting something halfway, whether that be in a religious sense or as we do in the paranormal world. It's like so many people go out there and they're so closed off. They're skeptical. I'm sure tons of people watching this right now I was super skeptical.

Yeah, I was one of them a little while ago. Yeah.

But if you go into a haunted house and you're super skeptical and you don't think something's going to happen, same thing with faith. You're never going to get it. But when we turn off the cameras and we actually, Okay, I just want something to be there. I'm willing to really believe and put myself there. That's when things started happening. That's what we always advise the people to do. When they go into these haunted places, put yourself out there. Take a risk.

Yeah, dude, it's so funny. It brings me back to when I was a kid and That's one thing that is amazing about kids. It's especially like ghosts and kids, even till like 15, different ages. But when you have that youthful energy, you're so right there on the edge of the moment. That something small can meet you right there really easily. It's pretty- So willing to believe.

Yes. It's such an amazing time.

Yeah.

That's why children have so many more experiences because they're less closed off. They're less like, I don't know. Jada the world.

Oh, it's so true, dude. Now, if a ghost showed up, it'd be literally just like, all right, can you come back later? I'd probably be like, I'm busy, right?

I got some shit to do.

People could beg for somebody to come from the afterlife that they love, and then they hear a weird knock at the door in the middle of the night, and instead, they call the police instead of go open it up. Like, what are you talking about your grandfather?

Come on, go have that conversation.

But it's just interesting how perception and belief can meet together to frame what your experience can be.

Exactly.

Yeah, and that's why we do it now. We definitely now believe we've had so many experiences over the last seven years that have proved to us that we're not the only things out there. But especially me, I was at a place where I thought it was all blackness. After you die, it was nothing. It was so hopeless that when I found that spark of, Wait, there could be something more, it was like my version of finding religion. It was my version of finding hope. I was like, Wait a second. If I can prove this to myself, and now that I have over the last couple of years, what if I could prove this to somebody else? What if someone could watch one of our videos and walk away being like, Wait, there is something more.

Maybe so.

What if that changes their course of their life to maybe be a better person or maybe be just a more hopeful, happy person? Yeah. So although we are the spooky guys, we're Ghostbusters, we're whatever, and we're trying to get something that's scary. That scariness is super hopeful. It's very beautiful.

But we're also very inviting to just skeptics that won't or don't want to be open-minded about anything. They could just watch our videos for entertainment. So really, just like you said, it depends on the person and the paranormal affects everybody in different ways, depending on what you believe.

Yeah, this is interesting, man. I didn't even know if I expected this conversation to go like this, but this is great.

I'm be curious, what do you believe?

Well, I've gotten to speak with people that have... We had a doctor on who is a cancer doctor, and over the years, he started interviewing people that had had near-death experiences and just collecting a lot of their data, a lot of the data and finding a lot of the commonalities in it. Once I spoke with him, I started thinking, Yeah, this is him right there, Dr. Jeffrey Long. He wrote a book about it, and it's an easy read, but it's You could just tell how much it changed his life and his perspective that he, at no fiscal reward, he started creating this database and just putting together all different people's accounts. It was just fascinating to see how many people had had the same experiences. That gave me like, okay, if enough of it's uniform here and the experiences are the same, that shows a pattern, obviously. It certainly starts to make you believe a little bit more. It's like he couldn't really get to what's on the other side, the other side, if you go over to the other side, whatever the other realm is. But he was able to, through a great deal of interviews, examine some of the stair steps that people were on and what that experience was like.

And so that, I think, gave me almost a little bit more of really a scientific idea of like, okay, there's There's something more than just us guessing this, right? So that was there for me. I had a DMT experience where it's like, some people use plant medicine. I'm not encouraging that. I know you guys have some younger viewers, but that took you to a place where you feel like you were leaving. For sure. And that was pretty fascinating. Okay, you felt yourself leave your body and become this spirit that the only thing you could feel was love. You couldn't feel anything else. All the earthly chains of people you knew and all of that. I always feel like, if I die, I'm going to worry about them. And there was a little bit of that, but even that broke away. The amount of immense love that was present in your being as you were hypothetically leaving this body that we know was so immense and so great. And you knew immediately, Oh, they'll be here again. They'll all be here someday. So no matter what they're feeling now, this moment trumps whatever that is.

And so even though you couldn't remember anything that was going on in this physical plane, you still somehow had the thought that you were supposed to be there. Is that what you're saying?

Well, you still somehow had the thought that... As it was happening, I felt like you literally start to feel like you're leaving your body. My first thoughts are like, you're still attached to a lot of your worldly thoughts. Like, Oh, my mom's going to miss me. I'm scared. I forgot to do this. I forgot to send that email. That was one of my thoughts. Who gives a shit? You're dead.

The curses of life.

You forgot to send an email? Oh, I should have let the dog out or whatever. Or, Man, I left those shoes on the porch. Little things like that were going in my head. But then it was like this, you became overwhelmed with this feeling of so much love. The only thing you were supposed to do while you were alive was love, and everything else was just a ruse. Then you thought, Oh, my mom will miss me. But then you thought, you're like, Oh, but she'll come to this feeling one day, too, when she passes away. She'll have the same realization that everything is as okay as it ever could be and ever was, and it'll be that way for eternity. Dang, dude. That may sound crazy. I've never even said that out loud. I don't even know if it makes sense.

No, that's a beautiful thing.

That's a beautiful experience. But yeah, so I think, and I want to believe.

I think most people do. I feel like it's pretty sad if you want there to be nothing. Everyone, deep down, whatever you believe in, you would rather a way that you move on. Because that's just human.

Yeah, that's what I think. Yeah, just having... And it makes it exciting. And we showed up here, dude. We showed up here. This is the craziest shit you could ever imagine.

How lucky is it to even be alive. Yeah.

Just the grace to exist, to be a fish that comes close to the edge of the bowl just for a second and gets to peak out into the universe before we dip back in.

Yeah, exactly.

What happened in the Queen Mary? Can you take me into any more feelings or something that happened? Was there anything specific or was it just an overwhelming feeling?

Yeah, there was definitely the feeling there. We've told the story a couple of times, but the synopsis is when we turn off the cameras, we all sat around. It was four in the morning. It was us and a couple of roommates so that we could all vouch for each other. We just called out and we said, Hey, if there's something here, can you give us a sign? There would be, right off the bat, just a water faucet full for five seconds. And then we ran into the bathroom, it turns off. And then we're like, Oh, okay, well, let's continue asking for signs. And so we get things like-That's a ghost brushing its teeth, probably. Getting ready for bed. It's too late at that night at that point. But then afterwards, it would be little knocks or scratches or taps everywhere. And so we would test it because we were very skeptical at that time, too. And it was like, Okay, well, then can you give us three knocks? And it was like, pop, pop, pop. Okay, let's Let's say, Can you tap over there on the window of the ship so we know that it's not like an employee.

We tap on the window.

And dude, we're whispering these questions. So it's not like we're like, Can somebody tap? And it's like out in the hallway. It's like the janitor.

Can somebody play Rihanna? Exactly.

And then at one point- Now that it's raining, you just start hearing that, dude.

I would lose my mind.

The best parental evidence ever just coming out of nothing.

It's just Rihanna, umbrella.

I would love if the best parental evidence ever that convinces everybody is something that silly.

That would be amazing.

It would be crazy.

But it's wild because people will say, even in religious places, they'll be like, Call out to God for what you want, call out to your higher power, ask your deity for ask the world. It's the same as when they say the secret, it's like, write out what you want and meet it halfway, build a vision board. That's all the same thing. It's just trying to put something in existence physically or verbally to let your world meets, to let the spirit realm meet you halfway.

Yeah, exactly. Which goes back to, it doesn't matter what you believe in. Maybe you don't even believe in any God, but you're just a spiritual person, and you're talking to the universe. But all it's about is having that manifestation And speaking, what's it called? The law of attraction. Speaking into the universe, what comes back to you.

Yeah, it's really cool.

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Thank you so much.

It's pretty crazy. It's the greatest experience, or greatest excuse to travel ever.

It's so crazy. So awesome. Amazing. It's just rare that something like that gets to happen joining the military or something. You know what I'm saying? You guys are in a pretty rare air. What is the process when you go to seek paranormal activity? What is like, is there special shoes you wear? Is there a special... Is it no cologne allowed? What really are the... And what do you take with you?

Well, we have two backpacks full of equipment, which we can get into a little bit if you want. But we have a bunch of probably 8-10 pieces of equipment that really react to EMF energy, which is electromagnetic energy that everything in the world, alive or dead, will emit. Everything in this life, life or the afterlife, has this EMF energy.

Is that bringing it up real quick just so we can put a little bit of information to it. This is some perplexity. That's what we're using here today. What is EMF energy? Electromagnetic fields, EMFs, are invisible areas of energy often referred to as non-ionizing radiation associated with the movement of electrical current or voltage. They are produced by the flow of electricity through wires or devices and can be found in all environments, indoors and outdoors. Does everything have EMFs? Not everything emits EMFs, but almost every object emits some form of electromagnetic radiation as long as it's not an absolute zero temperature. Any device that uses, generates, or conducts electricity will produce EMF. Natural sources of EMF include the Earth's magnetic field, the sun, and even biological This is within living organisms. Okay. It's energy. It's basically like people would say energy. This is just more of a scientific way to quantify it.

Definitely. Almost all of our pieces of equipment basically measure changes in this energy. If you place it there and calibrate it to the environment, if there's a change in that environment, then it will go off. Got it. There's that type of thing. We also use motion sensors. We also use everyday objects. We'll get, let's say, cat toys or flashlights and things like that that are stereotypical or just everyday objects that are not meant for ghost hunting, just so we can show that even regular objects can be used for this type of thing so that the afterlife can communicate. So literally, we'll set a flashlight down and it will turn on in front of our eyes. It's like, insane. But at the same time, we would always recommend everybody start with how we started. It's like getting yourself there and say, Hey, call roll out, get the knocks, get the voice. It was like, we've been grabbed. We've had voices in our ears. We've been pushed. We've had doors slam in front of our faces. It's not always the equipment. It's all the environmental things. It all works together.

Yeah, no. Going back to the Queen Mary a little bit, we didn't have any equipment back in the day. We were just sitting in a dark room and just really trying to put ourselves in the mindset that everything was real that we were experiencing.

You all wore the equipment, huh? Exactly.

Yeah, we didn't When we became the conduit.

You all were the equipment. That was awesome, man.

That was dope. It was dope. And yeah, no, just as we've gotten further in our careers and stuff, this is when we've implemented new equipment. That just helps us do the same thing that we did in 2018 at the Queen Mary.

It helps visualize it because you can say, Oh, I felt something on my shoulder. But how does a viewer know that? But if they can see a flashlight turn on or if they can see a motion sensor detect motion, they're like, Oh, well, that's really cool. It's like, visualize what we're experiencing. But a lot of times as well, now that we've done this for so long, a big part of our show is we take people on these adventures so that they can be our independent variable. This is somebody else who doesn't believe or maybe just interested in it, but it's not part of our channel or whatever, will come out and experience it for the first time. We've had so many friends come in, pretty much complete atheists or skeptics, and walk away like, Whoa, now I believe in ghosts. Even I'm like, There's no way. Maybe people older than us that are like, Oh, my whole life I've been atheist. They walk away from one night being like, I've never seen anything like this. I'm changing my perspective, and it's beautiful.

So people to bear witnesses to what's going on. Exactly. Yeah, because I just wonder, were you guys just loitering for the spirit ops to show up or what was going on? I just didn't know what was happening.

They're like, Why is this guy here at 3 AM? Just waiting in the dark for me.

Dude, they probably are. If you're a spirit and you're just seeing us, we're yelling around. Are you here?

They're like, Yeah.

It's like, You dumbasses.

Some of the shittiest spirits show up to talk to you guys, no offense, but it's probably the really smart spirits are like, I'm not talking to these two.

Also, you got to think, Why are they in this random building. They're just trying to fuck with us. It's like the smart guys. We go hang out in the spa or something, not in this creepy building. We don't know who we're talking to.

Yeah, you guys are talking to some real low-level spirits.

Yeah, definitely. It's shit.

I never thought about that.

It's probably why we have so many scary experiences, too.

Exactly. It's like, who's the guy that's going to hang out in the abandoned island? Like, oh, well, he's got to be weird.

Well, he's weird from this realm, and he's got to be way weird from the other realm.

Yeah, for sure. He wasn't even allowed in the heavens. They're like, yeah, you just stay in that place over there, man.

A couple of purgatory bad boys, man.

Exactly.

Damn, that's wild, dude. Yeah, but it does go back to like, yeah, you're just wanting something, right? Then I guess it makes sense because it's like, anything you start to learn, then you want... You start to get the accoutruments of it, right? If you are a doctor, you end up getting the stethoscope, right? Then you get a patient, right? You want people to bear witness to whatever is going on. Yeah, definitely.

That's what's the coolest part of it is seeing other people's change of perspective and how they then afterwards go about their lives.

Yeah, for sure, dude. I think as far as The equipment, that was my question. It's like, Are you guys just metal detecting for bullshit or whatever out there? But when you incorporate the fact that you have to be willing, you have to want something, right? That it can show up for you. I just find that is so inspiring no matter what, because we're all looking for some ghost. We're all hoping that there's some spirit that comes up and tells us something or that shares something. We're all wanting something to come along and make us feel more complete. And what doper place for it to come from then the afterlife or the next realm, dude. Exactly. Because it feels hella inspiring as well.

For sure. And I think it's worth mentioning, too, that this stuff doesn't happen every single time we go to a haunted place. There are so many times that we'll have videos that turn into duds, even if we've traveled across the world, where we have to completely scrap it because nothing happens. And so it really just depends on the spot and the energy there.

Yeah, it's not a constant either. Most of our investigations are 12 hours, and we cut it down to an hour of the craziest stuff. And only half of that is even any evidence that we got. So it takes a long time for these things. It's not like we out of everybody, can just walk over and see Casper, the friendly ghost, tomorrow. You have to go to the most haunted places in the entire world and then also spend a very long time trying to open yourself up for that. Yeah.

Dude, I'm so thankful you guys came in, man. This is awesome. I just appreciate It's just nice to have this conversation. It's nice to be reminded of the fact that we have a part in... This sounds silly, but we have a part in what we believe, but that we have a part in things that are supernatural. Definitely. I think that's what it is, because we alone are supernatural.

100%.

It's crazy that we're even here.

It's fucking bizarre, dude, especially if you look at the other animals and stuff, dude, they're all doing normal animal shit. We're out here, people are vaping. People are lying to their parents. Dude, if you were in the woods and you saw a bear lie to his parents and then sneak a piece of salmon or something, you'd be like, What the fuck is that?

Then hit a vape real quick.

Imagine you saw a bear get up every morning. All the other bears are out, splash in the water, and there's one bear just sitting on his computer every day.

It's just like, whoa.

Coding ChatGPT. It's like, What are you doing, dude?

Yeah, he's coding. No, it's insane, man. You guys have visited of the most haunted places in the world that we know of right now. Are they different? Is there a common link between all of them? Are you able to... Is there a overall hypothesis that you can come up with through all that, or is it all just one by one?

Most of them, honestly, are their own separate entities or whatever, no pun intended, to where you'll go to one spot and learn a bunch of history about the place. It's maybe 500 years old in the US. It's not going to have any correlation to a 500-year-old place in France or something like that. I think every single spot comes with its own story and its own spirits. There's also human spirits. There's more demonic things you could talk to as well, earthly spirits. There's a lot of different variables, I guess you could say, depending on where you go.

Really? So some places have different types of spirits?

It depends on the history of what all happened there and how much trauma there is in the said place? Because, again, all of this is based on the energy that's at the location.

Got it. Is there one that stands out to you that had a demonic energy? Because that's an interesting word.

Yeah. Okay. So one place that we went to for this October, we went to Pendle Hill. And so that's a place that's considered one of the most haunted, or if not the most haunted place in the United Kingdom. Pendle Hill? Pendle Hill.

P-e-n-d-e-l?

D-l-e. D-l-e. But that was the home of the most infamous witch trials ever happened. Basically, 11 witches were killed, 12 were put on trial for doing witchcraft. At that time, a lot of witches turned to the devil because witches were outcasted by the church. When they were turned to the devil, they made this place more demonic and it has this devil, Satanic pull to it. We actually brought out a... A witch. A witch that was doing witchcraft to someone devil. That was her main practice and had her try to summon and channel the devil himself. The actual devil. It was literally hundreds of years of witches on this exact hill have been practicing, trying to speak with a devil. And we tried to recreate that as close as possible, which was one of, if not the most terrifying thing we've ever done. But for example, that would make a place more demonic. If we have hundreds of years of people putting their effort and all of their power Again, if we're talking about opening yourself up to a spiritual thing, if all you're doing is putting that faith and that energy towards something demonic, you're going to attract the demonic.

You're not going to attract something that's happy.

Oh, for sure. Let me see this. Pendle Hill is most infamous for its ties to the Pendlewitch trials of 1612, where several local women were tried and executed for witchcraft. The area is steeped in legend, including tales of supernatural occurrences. Does it have any more? Can you give me a little bit more information about the Maybe you could say, look up the story of Allison device.

This is how it all started.

How you guys found it? This is how it all began.

This is how it all began. I wish we found this.

That'd be crazy.

The story of Allison device, Allison, is central to the infamous Pindle Whitz trials of 1612 in Lancashire, England. She was a young woman from a poor family who one spring morning encountered John Law, a peddler from Halifax, while walking to called in Forrest. Allison asked him for some pens, a common request at the time. As pens were believed to have uses in folk magic, law refused, prompting Allison to utter a curse against him, upon which law soon collapsed, suffering symptoms that were later recognized as a stroke. Called it. Though at the time, this was believed to be a result of witchcraft. Dang. Yeah.

She was 12, by the way, when she did this. A 12-year-old girl just meets a salesman. She's like, Can I have some pens? He's like, No. She's Curse you. And he died. They were like, This girl's a witch. Her and her family were all accused of witchcraft. Then they all started blaming each other in the town.

But the weird part is they all admitted to it. They literally said on court trial, Hey, I did use witchcraft to attempt to speak to the devil and summon him. It's like, why?

The family said that? Yeah, the family. Why did they do that? Because they thought they were so upset by what had happened to her that they're like, Well, we're going to call the devil here?

Well, they were admitting that even previous times, they had already been in witchcraft and they've already been a part of it.

Oh, so her family was a little bit familiar with witchcraft? Yeah. But also, what's that dude doing just gooning around some twelve-year-old? You know what I'm saying, dude?

Serves them right.

Bro, what are you loyering around some twelve-year-old for, dude? That's so true. Oh, my God. Bro, they're catching mad gooners back there. They were. That's the shit that happens, dude, even a long time ago.

She was the one that got arrested, not him, by the way.

That was it, dude. It's like, what?

It's like, God, obvious. That's crazy, though. Imagine the energy of that at the time. She's young and now she's put in this space where it's like, how did they execute them?

They hang them. Bah hanging. If you think about that, 11 of them died, 10 of them by hanging. And that was accounted for 2% of all the witches ever that have been executed all in this one trial because the whole family admitted to witchcraft. So it was a massive deal, and it's one of the most famous witch trials in history.

Because part of the thing was to be freed from being accused of being a witch, I guess, you had to point the blame on somebody else. So the entire family basically turned on each other. The little girl was like, My grandma did it. She was like, What the fuck? And then she was on the trial.

You're like, Mom's a bitch, but they didn't hear it, right?

Yeah, he's a witch.

They're like, Oh, shit.

I'm dead.

Dude, that's crazy. That would be the craziest. It's almost like the sickest game show ever where it's going to be you or you have to point the finger at somebody else. Exactly.

And it's your mom.

It's crazy. Especially if there's nobody left, what if it's down to you and your mom?

Yeah, exactly. Do I kill her? Oh, God. And then you both blame each other, so you're both dead.

Then you're like, okay. Yeah, it's like that meme or the Spider-Man. Yeah. Yeah.

You're just blaming each other.

That's the witch trials, man. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, that would be a lot of energy being over there.

One place that's even worse than that, I think, is my top scariest we've ever gone to.

Will that be on Hell Week? Is that episode coming on you guys as Hell Week? How long is Hell Week? It's one week of just all episodes of you guys?

Hell Week is the brand we've started for the last five years, but this year, we switched it to Hell Month. Basically, once a week, we go to the most demonic places in the world, and we're leading up to Halloween. Every Sunday, we day until Halloween, it's pretty terrifying. But by far, the scariest for me of this entire Hell Month was going to the Paris Catechums. Oh, my God. I don't know if you ever heard of that.

I've been there, actually.

You've been in the Catechums? Yeah. The illegal part or the legal part?

I'm not sure. My buddy got a little... Like a whatever that's one of these. Oh, I got. A little tarsal or something.

Okay.

He got a boot like tarsal off one of the staff there, like a little piece of bone.

Oh, really? Oh, jeez.

So he's obviously not going to be doing well.

Take a bone from the Paris Catacomb, curse forever.

Yeah, dude, I said, Dude, just get some astronaut ice cream from the gift shop. What's your problem?

They take a skull.

But he wanted to be different, so he got a little piece of foot or something.

So there's like two miles of this tourist part of the Paris Catacomb where you can legally go into. And then there's 200 miles of illegal territory. That's a It's a whole labyrinth that doesn't even have a map.

It's seven stories, so you can go up and down different floors. Yeah, you get lost very, very easily.

And there's six million dead bodies that are buried down underneath. And it's pretty much a mirror of Paris. So if you think of how big Paris is. You're walking around there. There's an equivalent underneath Paris itself, which is insane to think about. People go down there, get lost, and die all the time. And so basically, we had to go down there and trust this random guide that we'd met that day and be like, Hey, don't leave us, because if you left us, we would die. We've actually known people that have gone down there, and the guides will take them in the corner and be like, Hey, go check out that cave. Steal their bags and run, and leave them to die just to rob them everything.

Because who would even notice if they die because of all the other bones?

Exactly. Just show them in the corner and they'll be like...

No one's coming to save you? It's hundreds of miles of this, and it's all legal.

Bring that up. Can you give me some information on that? I didn't know it's like that. Dude, I remember. Oh, my God, I forgot about this. I was trying to flirt with our turr guy down there, and she was looking at me like, How's the creepiest guy in the world?

First date in a bunch of skeletons.

In hindsight, I was.

You were like, Hey, so.

And some dude in our group kept making these boner jokes and shit. It was so dumb. It was ridiculous. He made like 40 boner. I'm like, Dude, that's a... Yeah, just chill But he just wouldn't stop. But yeah, I remember trying to flirt with this girl down there, and she must have been like, This guy's a creep.

Placing the time.

Yeah, but hey, shooters shoot, right? Exactly.

No matter what the circumstance. That's it, bro.

What's a rib cage amongst friends? The Paris Catechons refers to a vast underground network beneath Paris, consisting approximately 200 miles of tunnels and passageways. While these tunnels originally function as limestone quarries dating back to the 13th century. They were repurposed in the late 1700s as an ossuary, a final resting place, eventually holding their bones of more than 6 million Parisians. That's unbelievable, man.

And there's really crazy structures down there. So they'll have ritual rooms. They'll be literal thrones made of human bones down there. There's all these things they call the bone rooms that are just stacked super high of towers of different bones. It's the most insane thing you've ever seen. Trying to conceptualize seeing a dead human, now see six million of them, and they're all stacked in weird formations, and there's baptismal rooms and things like that.

That's the bone throne.

What? That's a shitter?

Well, hopefully not.

It'd be crazy if it was, right?

Bro, you know someone's tried, for sure.

Definitely, dude. I've never had stayed right out the back, but I think I have it on that.

God.

What was the cause of all the deaths?

A lot of it was just people that were dead above in the cemeteries.

Mainly from the plague.

Yeah, from the plague. Also, Paris was just a very popular city, obviously. Over time, as it got more and more people, they didn't have enough room for the dead. And so they would just bring a lot of dead bodies down to just dump them in the tunnels down below.

There's nothing tackier than a dead dude when you're trying to have a night, especially on the Champs Elysées or something like that. Nothing's more tacky looking than some dead ass dude while you're trying to have beautiful outfits and shit.

While you just throw them down like, Oh, just leave them in the tunnel.

Get them out of this beautiful city, all right? Let's stick them underneath.

Yeah, it's like just putting something under the rug, really. For real? For real, yeah.

Paris's rug. It's crazy. There was not only just like, paranormal danger there that we encountered, but also extreme claustrophobia where we were cave diving on our hands and knees, essentially. Like, wading through waters that were freezing cold up to our nipples. And stuff walking around.

Imagine getting frozen nips in two miles in the catechum.

Yeah, literally. And then we're talking to ghosts.

And then I think the scariest of it all, actually, is the fact that there are known gangs that roam around in the Paris catechums that actively try to steal from tourists because they know it's so popular for people to try to go out there and film and take things down there. And so if you get close, which actually, again, we know a couple of buddies that have had this happen to them, they'll be They'll come and just jump you. Just take all your stuff and walk around. There's people that know the catechons like the back of their hands. When they encounter a tourist, they're like, Oh, I got you. I'll just take all your equipment and make you run, which is terrifying.

What are you going to do? Grab a femur and beat somebody? It would be almost scary. It would be a weird spot to even defend. It would all feel so surreal if somebody's rocking you there.

If they turn off your light, you're done. You can't see this far ahead. We went to some other catacombs, and that was really awesome.

This It was in Ukraine, so not Paris. But yeah, basically like that, all around the Paris catacombs.

That was part of one of the demonic places you guys checked out? Yeah.

Got it. It was one of the four episodes of Hell Month, but it was really surreal because that was the closest we'd ever really been to dead bodies.

And not to mention we got lost down there. We had our guide that we had just met, Shadow Gaspard. Gaspard? What an incredible name. We were like, There's no way this guy is going to leave us. His name's Gasbard. We have to find our way out of here. But yeah, we were super, super late. We were only supposed to be down there for seven, eight hours, something like that. We were in our last investigation, realized the time was up. Then it took us another hour to maybe, to find the exit because we would go to where Gaspart thought there was going to be an exit to a manhole, and the police would actively seal it up with cement. It was scary. Yeah.

So we went to three different exits that we thought were exits, and they're all closed off. And so we were like, Oh, my God. Not only are we now two hours late, all the people that we told to worry about us are now worried about us, but we actually don't know where to get out. So we had to go all the way back to our original entrance, and it took so long, and everyone was calling us. We came out, and there's no service down there until a bunch of text. Are you dead? It's so terrifying.

Gaspard.

Gaspard.

But he led us to safety. Let's go.

It was good.

The name Gaspard is a French and Parisian origin. It means bringer of treasure or treasurer.

Oh, he brought us some treasure.

We treasured him a lot.

Gaspar. That is a good name. That is a good name.

Yeah, that was actually one of the more crazy investigations. We used this thing called... Honestly, we actually just use a voice recorder. It's like a serotypical voice recorder, but there was one rendition of this Japanese voice recorder that they actually recalled back in the '70s because they kept getting other voices when they were like, play back the voice recording. They'd talk a sentence, but then they'd get a couple of other voices and sentences in it, and they're like, Oh, this must be weird. But then later on, people are like, Wait, no, these are legit other people talking in a room that nobody else is in. So now we use this as basically ghost equipment, and we can record on this voice recorder and ask a and play it back, and there's actual conversations coming back to us that are not in the room. It's the thought that these voice recorders can pick up frequencies that the human ear can't hear. It's a literal way to have a conversation. We will ask someone, we'll ask a spirit, Hey, what are you doing here? Or something like that. Or in this specific sense, we asked, Are you dead or alive?

Just to see if it would fuck with us. It literally said, I'm alive.

Back. Very clear.

Super clear. It was one of the craziest things I've ever heard.

Again, that's why we bring guests that have never experienced this before so that they can see this for the first time. Everybody was mind blown.

It was crazy. Imagine you're sitting there underground next to thousands of skeletons, and you ask to a voice recorder, Are you dead or alive? You wait, you play it back. There is a new voice that wasn't there saying, I'm alive. And you're like, What?

That's a bar. That's a That's a far. Fuck, that's a skeleton, Drake.

We ran the fuck out of there.

We were like, All right, well, this is actually terrifying.

That was heavy, dude. It was crazy. Has there been an experience that hit you more emotionally than other experiences?

Dude. Yeah. Not to go back to the same video we were just talking about, but also during Hell Month this month, we did the Pendle Hill. Sam had mentioned that we were really trying to push the bar and talk to the actual devil himself. And earlier I had mentioned I'm Christian, and so that was something that I was just like, no. I always feel like I'm overstepping the line, being involved in the paranormal as a Christian as it is, being involved in occult magic and stuff like that.

Yeah, I feel that.

Which is hard. It's like a mental battle for me. But at the same time, when our team first decided or came up with the idea of maybe we can invite a witch to some of the devil, I was like, guys, this is where I have to draw the for my witch. Sounds like, Duh, he would want to do that.

Sam, you did this one. Yeah. And he did. But it's also interesting. Sometimes if you want to talk to... Sometimes you got to talk to this person to talk to that person. Exactly. But was that... Sorry, I stepped on you. What were you saying?

It's all good. It was just like, and we show it in the video as well, but I basically pulled Sam to the side right before he's about to do this ritual, I guess you could say. I had a deep conversation with him where I was nearly in tears talking to him about, Dude, we're making YouTube videos. This is beyond that. You are meddling into some stuff that I know you don't personally believe in, but this has everything to do with my faith, and I deeply believe in this.

Yeah, Sam's gone too far.

Yeah, for real. I was just like, be careful. Fuck me, guys. We're like, Fuck Sam, actually. Comment down below.

Yeah, Sam's gone too far.

Why are you doing that, man?

Sorry, now. Let's hash it out here, man. No, it was interesting. Jokes aside, it's been- Where was that at?

Sorry. Pendle Hill. That was in Pendle Hill. That was in UK. I could see that, man. I could see that because it's almost just like if you say enough bad stuff, it's like you become what you do. I could see that. There's a reason why people probably don't do it that much.

Exactly. Exactly. Especially religious people like me. But again, I am more so just spreading hope to people, and that's how I mentally cope with what I do for a living. But again, when it has to delve into hellish things, literally talking to Satan, the devil himself, I was like, You know what? I'm good on that one. I'll just film in the corner.

Yeah, maybe talk to Satan's secretary or whatever. I don't need the big dog in here. Exactly. But do you ever see any ghosts that are hot chicks? Or is there ever any ghosts that are yurking off or whatever?

There's some prostitutes out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I feel like ghosts are always just fucking doing like trap shit.

I don't feel like any of them are... Are any of them ever being sexy, I wonder. Or what are ghosts doing the most, I wonder?

Probably gooning behind the scenes. Nobody can see them.

If you're invisible, what are you doing?

If I were invisible, dude, I'd be freaking spraying, bro. For sure, dude. I've already got a problem, and I'm fully visible.

So But for sure, dude. No one's safe, dude.

Nobody's safe, dude. Once I'm a ghost, bro, just freaking heavy, dude.

No, but you got to think, yeah, what are they doing? Because they never know.

Once I'm a ghost, everything's all grottin, homie. You feel me? Exactly. I'm spraying cheese, though. Type shit, boys.

Everybody will know, too. In the afterlife, they're like, What was that? Theo, stop.

It comes in like, haunt our videos later and we're like, Oh, that's Theo.

I got something in my eye. Damn it, Theo.

You guys are just like, you always pretend it's bird shit. You're like, Oh, no birds.

Must be ectoplasm.

You're indoors.

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I think.

Have they ever acknowledged it?

There was a president, I've mistaken which one it is right now, but in the Bellwitch Cave Trials, which is actually here in Tennessee, I think. Yeah. There was a case where somebody died, and they ruled it in court as a death by Paranormal. Actually, one of the presidents went to that location just to see the demons and confirmed that it was haunted. I don't know if that's the government getting behind paranormal, but they have acknowledged things like that. Wow.

I can read this case here.

Yeah, this one's really interesting.

The only widely cited case in which a death was officially attributed to paranormal causes is the Bellwitch Haunting in Adams, Tennessee, specifically the 1820 death of John Bell, senior. John Bell, dude, and I think he's also the lead singer for Widespread Panic as well. I love him.

He's had many lives.

Yeah, he's had many lives, dude. According to numerous sources, John Bell's death was attributed by his family and several contemporaries to the Bell witch, a supernatural entity that tormented the Bell family beginning in 1817. The case is notable because Tennessee is reported to have recognized John Bell's death as caused by this supernatural, making it unique in American legal and folklore history.

Yeah, I think this is the only cited death that is recognized as paranormal. Wow. Most people think like, Hey, no one's died because it's paranormal. No one gets hurt. But there's a lot of people that get hurt, and there is this one death that people have said. I think this is the case as well that a president at the time went to this location, too.

John Bell's phenomenon grew so, and this is on perplexity, The phenomenon grew so intense that John Bell developed a mysterious illness, and after finding a strange vial of black liquid next to his bed. Oh, that would trip me out. If I even find a girl's gum next to my bed, I can't even sleep good. His son tested it on a cat which died suddenly. The Bellwitch allegedly claimed credit for poisoning John Bell, who died on December 20th, 1820.

Why would the kid give it to the cat? Oh, here's some black tar liquid. Like, Kitty, caty, caty, caty, come here.

That's the most kid shit ever. It's like, Oh, fuck this cat.

See if he dies, too.

He's like, I miss my dad, but fuck this cat.

Fuck that cat.

The US President who is most famously associated with a visit to the Bellwitch, K was Andrew Jackson as a general. And later as President, Jackson reportedly visited the Bell family property in Adams, Tennessee, during the height of the Bellwitch disturbances. According to legend and multiple historical accounts, Jackson and his entourage experienced unexplained phenomena and chose to leave early, with Jackson famously quoted as saying he would rather face the entire British Army and spend another night with the Bellwitch.

Isn't that crazy?

Andrew Jackson.

To think.

Bro, Ajack couldn't handle that, bro.

He's credible, too. It's not just some random homeless guy they brought over to assess the situation. They brought the President who was like, Dude, I'm not doing that ever again.

It's crazy. This guy wasn't taking DMT.

Yeah, this guy had a sword.

He's like, I got to do shit here, guys.

Dude, that's wild, though. It makes me think about how over the years, like schizophrenia and these different things, we've given a lot of things a scientific term now, also to make them marketable to medicine. But you don't think about how many of those things could just be also spiritual in nature. I'm not saying that schizophrenia is spiritual in nature, even though I'm sure the spirit is heavily affected. But you just don't know. You don't know what something could have happened in a past life that's now come through and is affecting a spirit in this life or affecting someone in this life. It's just looked at these days as a semi-common disease that we have, but it's something that's greater than that or was used to be deemed that way.

So true. Yeah. It's pretty wild. It depends on what you believe. Exactly. Yeah.

It did seem more fun back then to believe in stuff, too. I think because more people were believing things, now a lot of our beliefs just are looking on our phone. And before our beliefs used to go into the air.

It is really sad. I feel like we're facing a really secular time of everyone's just like, If I don't see it on ChatGPT, then I'm not going to believe it type of thing. But no one's, like you said, believing and putting themselves out there to actually experience these things. Because at the end of the day, it's so much harder to believe anything online, like anything over a video. I wouldn't believe a ghost video from 10 years ago before I started this. And then I only started believing because I physically experienced it myself in person. So I fully empathize with all the people that are online watching our videos being like, That's cool and all that you guys do this, but I can't believe it until I see it. So I would encourage a lot of people who are into this type of thing to actually go and experience these things or put yourself out there and try. Just like with faith. It's like if you just try to take someone's word for it, whatever. But if you were to go to church and actually read these things and go for it and really put yourself in there, then you might find God.

I'll notice the more I pray, the more when I walk in a certain rooms or whatever, I can feel my knees almost tingle a bit. I want to hit them. I want to hit my knees right there and pray, and it becomes a practice. For sure, whatever you practice and lean into becomes more of you. We probably used to be more connected to the spirit realm overall. I'm sure Native Americans, especially, were so connected to it and really lived by it and had a I bet they had a real gigahertz connection with... You know what I'm saying? For sure.

Also, you had time to think. Now, it's the second that you go and take a shit, you're just swiping TikTok or something. It's not like you have a single moment away from distraction and entertainment. You don't have any second to wonder. I know.

Yeah.

But you need it.

I know. It's crazy not to have a second to wonder when we're a part of something that's so wondrous. It's almost baffling, dude. We'll get to the end of our lives, and one of our last thoughts will be like, I was looking at my phone the whole time.

That's a sad thought right there. I was just looking at my phone the whole time.

Damn.

I'll literally won't even believe I'm dead until I check my phone.

Did I send that email? Because you're dying.

Swear it again.

Let me tap right back in here just to finish this. The US government has not officially acknowledged the existence of ghosts as real supernatural entities, but there have been legal and cultural instances where haunted properties or ghost stories were referenced because of their impact on property value or cultural significance.

There's a lot of movies and stuff, obviously, that are based on real life hauntings and things like that. Things happen so crazily over decades or families get traumatized to the point that they become movies. And what's awesome is you see, especially the recent ones that are happening in the last couple of decades, there's so much documentation of them that it's really crazy to back things up and see these stories. And people sometimes have video evidence or audio evidence of people getting possessed and things like that. And so it's really cool when we get to go to places like that. For I don't know if you just recently saw the Conjuring video or Conjuring movie.

The Murrell House or the- The Smurl House. The Smurl House? Sorry. Yeah.

The The Smurrell House Conjuring movie just came out. It's called Last Rights. That was based on the Smurrell House. But that was one of the cases that the most famous demonologist ever, Ed Lorraine-Warran, investigated. And there was a demonic entity that was literally petrifying this family for 13 years.

They described this demonic entity as an eight-foot-tall lizard man with red eyes and scaly scales, I guess you could say. That would physically assault Jack and Janet Smurl, who were the parents, and lift them up from their beds and chuck them against the wall.

Holy shit, dude. They don't have an HOA or anything?

Exactly, right? Kick this guy out. That's crazy.

Call the plumber. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Dude, but I believe something like this could happen. The Smurrell house hounding refers to a series of widely publicized claims of perinomal activity. You guys tell us about it. I don't need to read this. What else do you guys know about it? It says here, The family's German shepherd was reportedly levitated and slammed into a wall.

Yeah, even the dog was attacked. But every single member of the family was attacked. We're talking like, they would be picked up and thrown against the wall to the point of the wife broke bones because of the spirit. Like a little girl in the family was thrown down the staircase.

A ceiling fan flew I threw off the ceiling and smacked one of the little girls and almost killed her as well. There were sexual assaults. It was like the ghost word, physically and sexually assaulting the whole family. It was crazy.

That's the other thing. That's the worst because what if your parents come home, it looks like you're jerking off or whatever, or you're sitting there just-Experiencing something. Yeah, experiencing something with yourself that you caused, you're getting off. But you're not even doing it. It's not.

It's literally like, this is a demon.

My mom would still have gotten pissed at me. She My mom would have blamed it on me.

It's a demon.

I'm not even looking at it. But dude, that's how it'd be so... How did they come and go in their home? Did you guys go there?

Well, the Smurl house, we were the first people since the demonologist, Ed, Lorraine, Warren, were the first people to investigate it since then, 40 years ago. So it was really a cool experience to be able to go in there and understand what was the haunting, what actually happened there.

And there's two conjuring houses. There's one that's really famous in Island, which is the videos that are being played right now. And then there's this one that we haven't released yet. It's coming out for our finale of Hell Month. And yeah, nobody has been there besides Ed and Lorraine Warren, like 40 years ago, 50 years ago. Yeah.

And what Did it feel different? Did it come at a different time? Did it start differently? How do you ease into a new place that has a haunting, that has an energy like that? Do you approach it differently on the way there? Do you bring things with you to set up an atmosphere? Do you bring an altar? Is there some precursor to your approach?

Definitely. I mean, especially something like that that hasn't been investigated for so long. And actually at the time, 40 years ago, it was believed that Lorraine Warren brought in a priest, and they did an exorcism and got rid of the demon. So theoretically, this place hasn't really been haunted for the last 40 years. It's just been a regular family home. So when you go back into there, it's mainly the shell of the home of said spirit. And so in order to make sure we were able to contact that same person, we brought in a witch or- A priestess. A priestess. She's our friend. She actually has helped us with a lot of these types of things and teaching us about the occult. She brought in a spirit board, which is pretty much like a good Ouija board. It's not like one of those Hasbro ones you buy at Target. It's like the real deal.

That's what a woodpecker would like, definitely.

Homemade, all that stuff. She She actually helped us with this full on, like summing ritual. That brought in the spirits around. We were able to talk to this thing on a Ouija board. What's absolutely crazy about that is I never really believed in Ouija boards. I just thought it was a fun gimmick, especially the ones at target, whatever. But when you do it correctly, like with a witch, it is the most insane experience you've ever had. You put your fingers on this planchette, and I don't know if you've ever seen a Ouija board, but there's a bunch of letters and numbers all over this board. It said that you move this planche head around and it spells things out. But the feeling is so unlike anything you've ever felt before, where the wood gets pulled out from underneath your fingertips. It's literally you can feel a different presence pulling you in directions.

Like a magnet, almost. Yeah. A magnetism.

We never believed in the Ouija board until doing it with professional Pythian priestess. I remember the first time we did it with her, off camera, we were like, Did you do that? She was like, No. You definitely did that. We were like, Hell no, because our fingers were going like this crazy.

It was crazy. It wasn't just a little slow thing. It was like, Sometimes It's like yanking to a yes or no or all around the board. What is happening? I can't believe this. It's out of this world.

Well, especially if it's priestess, what's your number? Or whatever, then you're like, Oh, that's definitely...

That's exactly what it says.

That's To that point, though, we'd ask questions, especially the first time we did it. We'd be like, the first time we ever did the first Conjuring house, we asked the spirit, like, yo, do you like us? I was like, No. What do you want from us? And it was like, Go away. It was like, Leave me. Give me my peace, pretty much. And I was like, damn, okay, they don't fuck with us.

Which happens. Because honestly, spirits are just people in real life. They're lazy. Yeah. I mean, if there's a bad person you meet in real life, there's probably going to be a bad person in the afterlife. That doesn't mean They're like a demonic thing. But yeah, you'll run into bad apple people all the time that just don't want to talk to you or anything, which is understandable.

Yeah, that's wild. It could just be somebody who's just chilling, somebody who's having lunch or whatever, and you guys are bothering them or something. Exactly. It could be anything.

You up, dude.

Some of them two have Ouija board and they're like, Fuck off. I can't leave.

It's like you're cold calling somebody and like, God, just shut up. I don't want to talk right now.

Or they're like, I'm gay, or whatever. You're like, What? It doesn't matter. What? You're welcome here either way. It's 22: 05. It's 22: 05. It's all good.

You're safe with us, guys.

Yeah, dude. A long time ago, people cared about that, but that's totally normal now, dude.

This is an emotional experience. He's like, Really?

Some ghost has been waiting forever to come out of the closet, and he finally gets it through a Ouija board. You're like, Dude, nobody cares.

Everybody, John is gay. He's like, All right, thank you.

70% of people are gay, dude. Chill, bro.

Chill. But, dude, what was crazy about this recent experience with the spirit board at the squirrel house?

This was at the Snorl house, and this was where the Conjuring was?

The Conjuring Last Rights. The Conjuring Last Rights movie.

Okay, got it. Where they filmed it at? No. Where it allegedly happened at?

Yeah, based on the true story.

Based on the true story of that.

They filmed out a replica of this place.

Got it.

It's this tiny duplex.

Had this been messed with before? Did it look the same as when back then?

I mean, your family had lived there.

If you look at the old tapes from Ed and Lorraine Warren, the demonologist that helped try to save this house, you'll see exactly the same layout and everything. It looks like it did 40 years ago. It was really...

So some of these places, it's like going back in time, too.

Definitely. Yeah, time capsules. That's weird. Yeah, we were doing the spirit board session in the living room of this duplex. And again, imagine just a regular house. There was literally cheese on the counter and stuff like that. Yeah, somebody lived there. And we uncovered the craziest evidence about the Smurrell family that could actually get us in trouble. No joke. And so when this comes out on Halloween, dude, it's going to cause an uproar in the paranormal community of things. It's going to be crazy.

That's what I'm talking about. Yes, sir. Dude, I'm wondering if there's a bus stop that had a crazy... A lot of people... I'm just trying to think of neat places that aren't a building or something where you could investigate also. Have there been places like that?

Yeah.

Where there's not an entity, like a building?

Yeah. I mean, to that point, you would think that everywhere could be potentially haunted, right? It doesn't have to be a location. It's just maybe places that are location have more energy or they were a home in a past life. And so it's more likely. Like you said, maybe a bus stop or maybe a favorite area to play on a playground or something like that as a kid. You don't know. Maybe something has a deeper meaning or connection to a human, and that could be haunted as well.

There's a lot of times we'll go to a spot, and it's not haunted by something evil or scary, but sometimes there was a big... For example, we own a spot called Farrar Elementary in Iowa, and it used to be-Farrar Elementary? Farrar. Farrar Elementary. Farrar Elementary. Farrar Elementary. It's a school?

It's a realReal school? Real school. You guys own it? We own it.

We're principals.

We're principals.

Hell, yeah.

I hope the spirits understood us there.

Is it functional?

It's functional for ghost hunting tours. It closed down like, I don't know.

It's been a abandoned school. It was a abandoned school. It was a abandoned Got it.

Yeah, it's not like we're teachers.

Yeah, there it is. Yeah, we own the school.

But it used to be a hub, what, like 100 years ago, where a lot of people would just go there and party. So all the spirits there, or a lot of the spirits there, just hang around because it was a cool spot in life.

It was the center of the town. So not only was in an elementary school at the time, but it was also where people got married. It's also where people had dances, they had basketball games, they had everything at this one area. And so a lot of the spirits there are really nice. So it's cool. And even outside of this area, even in the woods or the playground, all this can be haunted locations.

Crazy.

It's interesting to think about how I show up to places and then what I want out of them, whether that place is an actual building or if it's to show up to spirits, whatever you want. It's just about how I show up and what do I want. That could be if I'm going to get an education, if I'm going to someone an entity, it could be anything. If I'm going to have a relationship with somebody. So true. Dude, I freaking texted this girl today, dude. I'm afraid to look at my phone because I don't know what's texting me back, dude.

Is that it? What was the opening line? Can you spell?

I met her the other night and I felt like we had some chemistry. I felt like there was something there. You know when you feel like there's something there? You know when you meet someone, you feel like there's something there. Because you meet a lot of people, there's nothing there. Sometimes you pretend there's something there. Sometimes you have two drinks and pretend there's something there.

It's The two drinks can create something there.

And those are not real. That's just you making your own EMFs, right? Yeah. But I felt like there was something there. So I got her number, and then I sent her a text today. I said, Hey, my buddy was thinking about asking you out. Also, my buddy is me. Fuck, she's going to fucking say no, dude. Fuck.

Where's your confidence level on here? One to 10? Keep You think you feel good about this? No.

Shit. It'll be all right.

It'll be all right.

It'll be all right, dude. It'll be all right, dude.

I don't know. But I was screaming afterwards. There was an entity in me that always got ready. That is just constantly rejected that energy. Oh, no. Was fucking summing the most rejection in the world.

But anyway- You got to sum in that positivity. Yeah, you're right.

I got to change that up a little bit. What are some of the most haunted places in America? Is there even map that shows that. I'm sure you guys know this.

Yeah, there's a bunch that are really cool.

What's the most wanted state? Do you know it?

Probably on the East Coast somewhere.

Yeah, East Coast is way... You got to think it's way older. So way more history has happened in there. But yeah, there's a couple that are really cool. So obviously, the Conjuring House that we talked about is a massive place in Rhode Island. There's a couple of really cool spots, like the Winchester mystery house. I don't know if you've ever heard of that. There is a house in San Jose, California that has like 130 rooms or something like that. It's insane. It was built for almost a century purely to try to...

Have you ever heard of Winchester Rif at all? So it was that family-owned this estate.

Yeah, and it's believed that actually this has become some hub for spirits. Like, there's It's so many rooms, and it's so known to be haunted that people bring spirits. They drop their spirits off here. It's almost like a Grand Central station for spirits now. This is definitely one of the most haunted places in America.

Like the Hallworks train station. Yeah.

Exactly.

That's so cool. You guys went there?

Yeah. A couple of times. It's really crazy. Even if you don't believe in ghosts, it's one of the coolest things in the United States.

It's pretty magnificent, huh? Yeah. Where is that located?

San Jose, California.

San Jose, California.

Interesting. It's crazy because not None of the architecture makes sense. It's like there will be three steps up to a floor and then seven steps down to another floor, or staircases that lead to nowhere, or a door that if you open on the second floor, it will just drop you down and you'll fall off. There's no patio or anything. It's the most bizarre thing you've ever seen, and it's pretty spectacular. There's things like that. On the other side of the United States, there's this thing called the Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. It's the second biggest asylum ever made or something. There's hundreds of rooms about people that used to get lobotomies. It's a pretty tortured spot. It's one of the creepiest places we've ever been.

Wow, that place looks magnificent. It almost looks like University of Syracuse.

It's as big as a university. That building right there is only one of 20 on the property.

It's a historic former psychiatric hospital located in Weston, West Virginia, best known for its haunting atmosphere, architectural significance, and role in the history of mental health care in the US. The asylum originally followed the Kirkbride plan, a psychiatric hospital designed emphasizing space, light, and therapeutic architecture. Many patients were admitted for reasons now considered unscientific, such as asthma, laziness, and domestic troubles.

If you could be your wife, you could go to this asylum.

Even if you tickle her hard, if she's sensitive.

Dude, people would get admitted. Husbands would drop their wives over there if they were reading a bad book or something. It was bad. Pretty much, you could just leave your wife to die type of thing. But in that specific location in the asylum was one of our crazy experiences ever, we were just asking out to see if anything could do a knock or give us a sign or whatever. And between Kolby and I, we heard a pretty scary old man voice say the word lily in our ears. And it was like, what? And apparently, we asked around and lily is a spirit that is known to be a child figure that's actually more of this darker entity. But we heard it with our ears, and there was three other people that were around that also vouched for us. Then we were like, wait, no. There was another voice that was not in between you two that talked.

And the camera caught it. So it's on camera, but the recorder that we were using, asking questions, didn't. So it makes no sense that the voice could only show up on one thing.

Unless the hertz of it or something was a certain... Is it called hertz? What is it called?

Frequency.

Unless the frequency of it, the audio frequency of it was a certain pitch or pentameter or something. I believe there's so many different frequencies that we just do not have the ability to calculate.

Hearing or seeing. You just look at this color scale of what I can see, and it's just nothing. It's like, I don't know, 10% of the actual, I don't know, whatever you look at it.

We only have five senses, dude. Yeah. And they're great. I'm not saying anything, God. They're good. But I'm also saying, dude, what if we had like 40 senses and we're pulling in all that information? Who knows?

Maybe we will one day when we die.

Which one last thing we could go in that would be good for you guys? You guys think that's interesting? Oh, maybe what would make you stay around to be a ghost?

That's so funny. Honestly, if Sam still had the YouTube channel and I passed away, I would just make that shit viral as hell. I could be following him to every haunted place and just shove him down the stairs.

It just like, torment me, but I'm like, Oh, yeah, this is the craziest video ever.

Are you here? And you just fall down a flat of stairs.

Slap me in the face. Oh, he's here, guys. I want to levitate. So if you could do that, that would be great.

Dude, thank you guys so much, man. This has been awesome, dude.

Yeah, appreciate you having us. This is awesome.

It's been cool. It's been good to get to I'm going to meet you guys and just hoping to stay in touch or something. This has been fun, and I needed something that was just a good conversation. So thank you.

Yeah, I love how open you are about this. I mean, a lot of people are like, The Ghost, whatever. That's not real. But I feel like you get the mindset that we're going to with it. Whether or not you believe in it or not, I like the mindset.

Yeah, well, I think it surprised me because Dave Attela is one of my favorite jokes. He's like, I was watching, and I'm paraphrasing it, but he's like, I was watching Ghost Hunters the other day, it involves two of my favorite things, wandering around aimlessly and sheer disappointment.

That's so funny.

I always love that joke. It's so good, right? That's hilarious. But I never had thought of it in the sense of, I want something to be here, right? I want something to be here. And I've been thinking about stuff like that in my life recently, just meeting God halfway, meeting the spirits halfway that are out there. How can I show up to receive the best things are out there waiting for me?

That would also translate to real life, too. Whether that's spiritual or like you said, show up to your next friend gathering or your family or your relationship, putting in an effort to get what you want out of it.

Yeah, right. Sometimes I want my holidays to be great, and I'll just think that somebody else is going to make them great. I go there, I go in the living room, I yell about a casserole or something.

Hopefully it shows up, that thing.

I talk shit, then I take a nap, then I eat a and a half, and then I leave, and I'm like, God, I wish our family had connected better.

Fuck that casserole, by the way.

But it's like, that's what I brought to it. But I'm still expecting this other thing. So I think just having a whole other way to look at that Then to ask, if I wanted my father's passed away, everybody has family members that have passed away. But to say, Hey, dad, I'm thinking about you today. Share with me what you're thinking. Think with me. Feel with me. I want to feel your feelings today, or I want to know you love today. Not be afraid to speak out. We have this voice in this thing. When we open our hands up to the world, to the sky, to the universe, you feel something, right? That's not mythological. So I think that this is just a great reminder. Before you guys go, is there a goat of ghost hunting? Is there someone who was the first ghost hunter? Is there a goat?

Probably Ed and Lorraine Warren are the goats. They're more demonologist, though, if you want to get technical about it. Also, Zack Bagans is our king.

Zack Bagans is our father, dude.

Zack Bagans?

Zack Bagans. Have you ever heard of him? He has this crazy museum out in Vegas. I really recommend going to. He is the father of Paranormal. He does TV Ghost adventures, if you've seen that show.

The ghosts are scared of him. Obviously.

Macho dude, tall, strong.

Yeah, he's like the kid rock of ghosts. You know what's up?

Sexy.

What are you talking about? Okay.

Everybody loves him. Or maybe just me.

Dude, if you ever go to Vegas, you should go to his museum. It's crazy. It's actually really sick. Not going to lie. He has a bunch of haunted objects, and we actually got to hold some of the most haunted dolls in the world here, which is really, really crazy.

Yeah, there's something special that people about to collect these things and put these types of situations together. Happy early Halloween, guys.

Yeah, Happy Halloween.

It's an exciting time. It's always been my favorite holiday. Same.

By far, this is the best holiday. Not only for the spooky stuff, but also just dressing up. I feel like the vibes are happier now.

It's the only time people even go talk to their neighbors anymore. You'll run over there.

Bang them for candy.

For poison candy. Exactly. You know what I'm saying.

Give me some candy.

People don't even know their neighbors, but now they will send their kids. They'll send a kid covered in a sheet with two eye holes that are running right through traffic just to go get a baby Snicker.

It's a beautiful season. It really is. It's a great time.

It's a beautiful season, man. That's time to be alive, for sure.

Happy Halloween.

Sam and Kobe, you guys, Hell Week will be out over the next month, and those episodes are coming out, and people can tap in on what's going on with you guys. Yeah, thanks for just all the years of entertainment to your commitment to it. I'm sure it's been challenging in certain moments, and we didn't get to talk about some of that stuff, dude. But yeah, this is just awesome, man. I really appreciate you all's time, and I'll keep in mind if there's something that I feel that's a little bit haunted that I want to get back to.

Let us know.

Sounds good, man.

I wish we could travel into our past and deal with the spirit there. I wonder if there's a way to...

There's a lot of past life regression talk that people see themselves in past lives or be haunted in past lives type of thing, which is really interesting. But a whole another story for another time.

Amen, brother. You guys have a good one. Yeah. Thank you, man. You, too.

Yeah, thanks.

Now, I'm just floating on the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's going to take.