Transcript of Ryan Zink on What It’s Like to Disappear Into the American Gulag for Political Crimes New

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Ryan Zink. Not Ryan Zinky.

No. No. Not Ryan Zink.

Very different. Ryan Zinke. Thank you very much. So you're running for Congress. I am. From Texas. Texas. Yes. Lots of people running for Congress from Texas. The reason I thought we would all benefit from hearing your story is that you were a January sixth defendant, and you went through many years of trials, both literally and figuratively, in the aftermath of that, and you've emerged as a real candidate. I'd just like to begin by hearing your J6 story. Why did you go to Washington on January sixth? Then what happened?

I guess to summarize, make things a little bit shorter, is I was out on a break from school. I was studying media strategy, public relations, but I got hit by a drunk driver. My dad worked in sports medicine for years, and I had a lapse in my insurance coverage. I went to Arizona to work on his congressional campaign. He was at the time running against Ruben Gallego. Your dad? Yes.

Oh, wow. You were in college when this happened?

Yes. I came in late in college. I stopped and built wind turbines for a while. I bounced. I didn't really find anything that I really loved until I found safety, and then, of course, now politics, apparently. I was helping him with his congressional campaign because I was in media. I had a camera. We started off slow like everybody else does with his campaign where money was super tight. I went up there to, one, get free treatment for my neck and shoulder. From your dad? Yeah. Then two, just to help him on his campaign.

You're working for your dad in exchange for free neck and back treatment?

Pretty much. Nothing free out of the old man.

Okay.

But no, it was really my first glance in politics. The first time that I had ever voted was the Donald Trump's first term. Again, the only reason that I thought that was because I was like, well, I've seen what... I met Bill Clinton in college at WT when I used to go there, and I was really weirded out by him when I met him that day. What about him? Creopy, soft hands, his demeanor towards the girls that were in the room in the back area, and then just the way he carries himself. I think it was discernment is what I think it was.

Interesting. So bad vibes would be one way to put it.

Yeah. This is before I was really a Christian to living, practicing my life in accordance.

Well, those are animal instincts, and we should never ignore them because they're accurate.

Well, definitely. Looking back now and everything I've been through, yeah, it was definitely... It was a stark warning. Really? To be vigilant, be aware of what's happening around you.

Interesting.

But yeah, so campaign trail, going out. Well, we start looking at the votes about everything that's going on. He tells me, he's like, Hey, I think this is it. He's like, I think we're going to witness history if we go to the Capitol. I don't even want to go. I want to go home. Because my lovely, beautiful wife now was waiting for me back in Texas, and I left before Thanksgiving, and I didn't even want to go to the Capitol. I was like, Well, okay. I was like, I guess we can do this. I started thinking, I was like, you know what- Which is your dad's encouraging you to go?

Yes.

He wanted me to go because he wants B-roll footage. He wants him at the Capitol in front of all the fountains. We wanted to present a strong unified presence in media, just like every candidate wanted to.

Your dad believed that footage of him was at the Capitol on January 6 would be good for his campaign? Yes.

Not just that, but- Obviously, he wasn't planning a violent insurrection or he wouldn't have brought you as his cameraman. No. If we were planning insurrection, I would have brought a lot more that day than just my I know. He wasn't even actually in the best of good health at that time. There was a time, six years before that, that I thought I was going to lose my dad. We were actually planning funerals and- I'm sorry. Looking at stuff. It was a hard time, but then God healed him in that December. We've been rocking and rolling ever since. But we were both actively hurt. It would have been very hard press for us to do an insurrection that day. My neck and shoulder injuries. My shoulder was froze up here like this for six months. I did physical therapy for two years. But it's insane looking back because we thought that we were going to see history for the first time that the vote would get kicked back to the states and that the states would vote party line. That was what we thought was going to happen. It turned out to be completely different. I remember getting in on January fifth, staying with some family in, I think it was the Upper Marlborough, Maryland, area, and making our way across.

It's the first time in my mind that I can remember, I think I went to DC once when I was younger, but this was very real. It was very like you would see in the movies. There's steam pouring out of the sewers the second that we get off the Metro. And there's already thousands of people. It's four o'clock in the morning, and there's already thousands of people over near the capital. I'm already taking pictures, and this will be relevant later as well. But it's crazy to step off the Metro, and that early in the morning, there's thousands of people already at the Capitol all along headed up towards the Washington Monument where President Trump was going to be speaking. And then that was pretty much where we started the day. Went in there, I saw Diamond and Silk for the first time walking through. And remember, I'm still not very political at this point. I believe that there's a lot that's going on with elections that we're being lied to about, but I don't see it in the capacity that I see it today. I'm basically there for a free trip with my dad to Washington, DC, to hang out for a little bit, get some B-roll footage and go home.

I don't get to go in to where the President is speaking because Secret Service. I have a laptop, I have a camera, I have SD cards, I have multiple lenses, I have a tripod, I have all this stuff. And Secret Service is like, we're not allowing anyone else with bags into this area that we're going in. I never got to hear Trump speak at all. I was already made my way up to the Capitol. We stopped and had lunch at a building that I would get to know very well, 333 Constitution Avenue, the courthouse where I was later convicted at. We ate lunch over there and then made our way all the way down to the Capitol. My dad did an interview with the Epik Times. We spent a good portion... We had to go sit down after this, and then made our way over to the east side of the building where I remained for only a few moments up until everything happened. Then sat down, talked to some moments for Trump, anti-communist Party for Trump, just just real gross people who've escaped horrors that we see with communism, talking about things that Trump is doing versus where they came from.

Then we get to where things start rolling for the day. It's before the objection of Ted Cruz and, let's see, the representative from Arizona. Then We can hear the whole time, on the east side of the building, we hear somebody talking through a megaphone. They keep telling, and they're talking to a capital police officer. Well, I would later identify this man as Dunphy. They are saying into the microphone that they're talking to hundreds of people on the East Side. We know that you guys have a right to protest, and we know that you have the permits. We're talking to our superiors, and we're going to let you in to go up. We're looking around, we're like, What do they mean go up? Are we going in the building? What are they talking about here? After this, nothing really happens. They keep talking on the bullhorn. We can hear they're trying to put a phone up to it to where you can hear President Trump speak. Then all the proceedings inside of the building start going as well. The DOJ has a huge camera that's on top of the capital building that looks down over the east side.

I was standing just over the visitor center to the right-hand side in front of this green light pole. Right to our left, there's probably, I don't know, 300 people in front of us, and we can't really see what's going on. I'm trying to lean out the railing to see what's happening. 400 feet in the air, you can tell that there's pushing and shoving that's going on down over there. We don't know why they're bringing bike racks over to this side. That impenetrable wall fortress that they built around the capital was bike racks that were connected together. There's some pushing and shoving that's going on over here. We can't really tell what's going on or who the instigator is. But at this time, right as soon as all of this happens, we start seeing hundreds of people come this way. This is as soon as Ted Cruz and them object. I mean, it is literally like, Texas objects, bang. J6 goes off. There's hundreds of people coming from the right side.

How funny that Ted Cruz is at the center of this.

I find it more funny that there are a lot more people who weren't at that time, just based on what we knew. But I do think that it was timed for the objection. I think that the fact that a senator had finally gotten involved with it is the principle point of where they had to do something that day in order to stop more information coming out. Because the time period between the objection and when the eruption happens is five seconds.

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From my perspective, I'm right on the railing. I see a couple of hundred people coming this way. They're already past police officers. They're inside of the area, which were not properly They always say, Oh, there were signs around the capital that day. There wasn't. If you go back and you look at, I hate to say her name, but Pam Hempfield's video where she's walking through... She's behind the police line in front of where we are at the time, and there's no signs up. Well, I have a picture of what the sign is actually supposed to look like in order to cordon off that area so that people, the general public who has no idea what this area is in front of them. They'll claim state of mind that we did because it was an area. But whenever you see police opening barricades, whenever... So there was an officer that testified against me that was waving people through the barricades. I'll show you the video. He was waving people through. Then there's hundreds of people on this side, and I still didn't go through. Me and my dad looked at each other and we were like, What is happening?

I was like, I don't know. I guess they opened everything up. Then And even right there, he was like, You don't think they're going to let us in the building, do you? And I was like, I wouldn't think so. I was like, There's proceedings going on inside. I was like, Maybe this is the area that the protests have the permits for. So we make our way up. I'm talking, I'm saying stuff like I'm an American. I have the First Amendment. So I'm saying we're storming the capital. They can't stop us. And The DOJ will tell you that I was talking about capital police. They're like, Oh, these guys can't stop us. They're trying to say that I was making that disassociation. But what I'm talking about is the protests, American people finding out the truth of what was going on. To be completely honest, I'm overwhelmed. I don't really have any idea what's going on inside of the building then. How much do you actually know until you get to spend an engrossed amount of time, the last five years that I've spent about what goes on in that building?

I've watched so many videos from January sixth, and I have no idea what's going on even now. I mean, it's chaos. It's impossible in the moment to know what's going on.

To be a very junior journalist, the only thing that I've covered at this point is football games for a Big 12 University. A couple of basketball games here and there. Wrote some articles for a magazine. I'm doing the journalist thing, but I'm not in school from my injuries. Then this is when things start to get weird. What happens is, and I'll brush you this part, but this is very critical because actually, I did send you the evidence of this stuff last It's not. So the police stop everybody at the base of the stairs in front of the Columbus doors, and then they just open it up. So we're like a couple of hundred people back. We can't really hear what's going on. And they just open up the stairs, turn around, and go stand in front of the Columbus door. So we go up onto the East Side porch because I'm thinking, I'm like, Dude, this is going to be some great footage. That's what I keep thinking. I'm like, This is going to be like, this is going to be memorable. This is something that people are going to talk about. If I had only known, it just how much they were going to talk about it.

You did underestimate it a bit.

Yeah. Police are actively letting people into the area. But it gets worse for my case because then I go up onto the porch. Well, then the first person that I see, the actual first violence engagement that I saw for the day, the literal tip of the spear, everybody says that it was the West Side. It's not. It's Hunter Allan Emke. As far as I've come to know, that he's an Antifa member from California. I videotaped him jump up onto the ledge of the windows next to the Columbus doors, and he begins punching and kicking out those windows. Well, there are people up there that are all dressed pretty similar.

Now, wait a second, Ryan Why would an Antifa member from California be protesting a stolen election on Trump's behalf?

That's a great question. It just doesn't make sense to me. I got called a conspiracy theorist by my judge for even mentioning this fact. I believe that there were people in the crowd that day. I believe that Bobby Powell, rest in peace, Bobby. I believe that he also captured federal agents that day near that window that were telling people to go in the building. But we don't have any- Of course.

Tell us who Bobby Powell was.

Bobby Powell was an independent journalist. He testified in my case. He was press that was there that day, just to take videos. He was never He had no idea what he was doing. He was not interested in anything. But he, mysteriously, after he started releasing and talking about all of the footage that he had of these federal agents, came to multiple heart attacks and then eventually passed away from one of those.

He didn't kill kill himself like some of the capital police officers?

No, he didn't. Bobby was a Marine. He was a very strong-willed man, and there's not a chance that he would have ever taken his own life.

Yeah. Well, you could say that about others who supposedly killed themselves, too. Just a fact, sorry. I'm sick of this.

I am, too. Just for the record, I'm very mentally sound, and I have no plans to harm myself after this interview either.

Yeah, I used to say that in Jess, but let's just stop pretending. You saw someone who's been conclusively identified as an Antifa member smashed the windows. Yes.

Who's not been seen since. He got a prison sentence. He has not come to any of the J6 functions that I'm aware of. I don't know people that know him. J6 is 1,500 plus. Never heard from this dude again.

Did he go to prison?

Apparently, for four months. I've been unable to track down anyone that served time with him or a facility that he went to in capacity because the Bureau of Prisons won't comment. Yeah, they won't comment because- Particularly in our- It's not our government, right?

Yeah, I'm getting that impression. Okay, so he smashed windows. Then what do you do?

I start videoing, man. It's crazy. This is a dude. He just jumped up and smashed a window. At this time, all these similar dressed people, they turn and they start yelling at the Capitol Police, and they're saying, Hey, we're going to kill you. You're not taking them. I start yelling at them. I'm like, Leave them alone. The police are just doing their job. He's breaking the law. Leave them alone. He's breaking the law. At that point, it doesn't matter what I'm there to protest. That's not why we're here. We protest stolen, election. We use our voice. You can use your voice, what I've discovered, can carry so much farther than- Much more than your gun. That is real. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. They knock Hunter off the ledge, take him in a custody, just like they should. Immediately after this is when I go and I ask a capital police officer by the name of Benjamin Fluk, I said, Hey, how can we help you? What can we do for you guys? Because we can see they're outnumbered. There's people yelling at them. I don't believe that those were Trump supporters. I don't.

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People dressed in all black. When you go and you look at the video and you hear the voices, you can tell that there's a different tone with these dudes. As I've studied footage from other areas of the capital over the last five years, too, you can see some similarities in the way that people dress. There's also wristbands that have been identified on certain people, too, that we think that that was an identifying marker for different groups that were there to cause problems.

Have any of them been identified? Or they're all masked?

No. It really It doesn't help that the Department of Justice was paying the sedition hunters $100,000 to use artificial intelligence to identify January 6thers that they couldn't do because it breaks the law and the way that they're going out and gathering evidence. They paid this independent group of leftist Trump haters to come and identify us. Then they were paying them per arrest on top. But that's another area.

They hired in Tifa Bounty Hunters to hunt down Trump voters. Yeah.

Got it. Okay. Then Ray Epps, that whole deal. Why did the DOJ protect him when they came after everybody else?

Did you see Ray Epps there?

No. I may have just in the periphery when I was walking through the West Side to leave later in the afternoon, but I never saw him.

I keep stepping on your story. My apologies. So you see the window smash, people flow in the building, you're taking video. What happens then?

I asked Benjamin I was like, What can we do to help you? Instead of saying, You need to leave, you're not supposed to be here, anything like that, he tells me, Stay on the porch and take pictures of them. That's in my transcripts. He actively admits that not only Did he deputize me to stay up there to assist them with people that getting video to people that are attacking them. He's not asking me to leave. So I do that. I stay up there with my dad. My dad gives His business card, he has his Congressional card. He's where I'm at now. He has a house number. He has a FEC filings. We're in this. The election is coming up. We're running for Congress with him. And we give that business card out. This is when one of the worst parts of January sixth happens. Shortly after this, we're up there, I'd say probably about 40 minutes is the total length of my capital day, at least being on the porch. Those police officers, we're talking to them. I'm listening to the radio that one of them has. It's up here. I misspoke at the time because it was really hard to hear radio traffic.

But I'm saying things like, there are people inside of the capital. There's a fire inside. I'm posting all this on Facebook, and I'm trying to stay neutral from this point forward because basically everything... It turned on a dime. We went from a protest to what is this? I'm talking to those officers, and then Ashley Babbit is murdered by Michael Bird. We can hear the shots inside of the building from where we are. There's A video. So all of the capital police officers that testified against me, Officer Fluke, Officer Mooney, and the officer who was seen on film waving people through. I cannot remember his name right now. But they all testified that at no point did the capital police take me and my father behind their police line where they were holding Hunter because we were working with them. Now I have that video in my possession. That camera was not allowed to be viewed before it went to trial. The video that I sent your team last night is the literal perjury of all three of my federal witnesses in my case that stated that I was not there to assist police at that time and that I was not working with them because there's an officer that comes over.

He separates us from protesters in the gear that I was talking about and says, Hey, these guys are with us. He's running for Congress. This is his son. He's been helping document if people attack us. He says, So they originally, they think that the shooting is down on the lower level. They don't know where it is in the building. And so they take us and we go right into the corner of the Columbus doors. Well, all of a sudden, the 20,000 pound doors that have to be remotely opened from inside of the United States Capitol by pushing a button, open. They open the Columbus doors, and there are people that are coming in and out of those doors. It is that this is the point of the day where the officer that we've been talking to that was never identified by the Department of Justice, they refused to identify this individual, along with the other five or six police officers that were on the porch. I just got the three that testified against me when I had multiple additional witnesses that I could have called that wore a badge that would have said, No, they were helping us.

But at this point is when we see the first remnants of the battle that's going on either inside of the capital, because I don't necessarily know where this officer came from. I haven't been able to identify him because they won't give us the cameras of the porch. So So he comes out, he's injured. He's holding his shoulder. He's got mace all over his face. And dad works in sports medicine, and he looks at... He just takes one look at him and he's like, That guy needs medical help. So dad tries to help him. He declines help, but he has mace all over his eyes. And so I'm reaching through my bag, trying to get out water to let him rinse his eyes out. And then at that point, this is the last interaction that we have with pretty much anyone for the day, is because at that point, that's when Mario Balzer declares that there's going to be a curfew that comes in. We can hear it on the radio of the guy, the police officer, capital police officer that's standing there. He says, Hey, we appreciate all of your help. Things are getting really crazy on the other side.

It'd probably be a good idea for you all to leave. We say, Okay, that guy refuses treatment one more time. He's rinsing his eyes out. I asked my dad, I was like, Hey, I want to put the big lens on. I want to stand on this pillar over here, and I want to take pictures inside and see what's going on. That's the first time that day that you can actually see people pushing and shoving with a cap of police officer, at least from our perspective. Now, if you have the big high camera and you can look over, you can see that there was some in front of us that we couldn't see. I'm 5'8, 200 pounds. I'm not the tallest guy in the world, so I can't see over a lot of people. Then we leave. We go I take some pictures by the bike racks where what I think is blood is on the ground, but I'm not sure. It could have been a spilled drink. It could have been anything where the bike racks were, and we start making our way around. Then I see Jacob Chansley, which we all came to know as the QN and chairman.

I saw him on the steps of the Senate side, and we make our way around to the West. This is when it hits, and it's like, this is going to be talked about forever because this is the sea of people that were out there, just thousands and thousands of people that are on that side. We're on the East Side, sheltered in a tiny little corner. We have no idea the scale of what is happening at the Capitol. People always talk about the West Side footage and things. They always show the tunnel videos where you see people attacking. Well, the reason that they were attacking that day is because a Metro police officer, Lila Morris, had just beaten a woman to death by the name of Rosanne Boyland. And that's what they were reacting to. And so as we're making our way around to go get onto the Metro, the closest Metro was directly across the West, back towards the other side. So we made a beeline through the crowd.

Can I say, are you allowed to beat people to death in this country?

Well, apparently, if you wear a badge in DC, which if you don't know, across the standard, the capital police and Metro police, with their combined, particularly on the Metro side, is the ninth most violent police force in America. Yeah, of course. You think about that. Think about all the Sheriff's offices, the police offices around the country. They're the ninth most violent police force.

They always had the highest accidental discharge rate for their handguns, too.

Yeah, which is amazing that it didn't happen that day. That was my J6 day. Outside of saying things like, We're storming the capital. Do you hear us? Words outside of a building. I never went inside the building. I never assaulted anybody. I never broke anything. I was assisting police officers on the porch, yelling at protesters.

You never went inside the building?

I never did.

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Okay, so did you have any worry that you would be arrested for what you didn't do?

No, because what I thought was going to happen was that we were going to turn over the videos of Hunter Emke that we had, that we would probably fill out an affidavit. I was expecting a call from maybe Secret Service FBI, somebody over that time. But what actually happened was later, February fourth, 2021, just after 04: 00 AM, the FBI drives through the front of my house with a twelve-foot battering ram.

Actually? Yes. They're monsters. I just want to say that. That's disgusting. I agree. To treat you like that.

I agree. A phone call.

There's been no reform of them at all. On other channels, we're just being screamed at for asking questions.

There's been no accountability- Zero. Across the board from it. That's not to say that I don't support law enforcement in this country. I don't support that.

I don't care what you call that. I don't support that. That's the oppression of the population that employs you and pays for this, and you have no right to treat citizens like that. I mean, that is... I'm sorry. It was part of my lecture. You're in bed, you're back in Texas, Yes. Do you live in an apartment house?

I lived in a rent house at the time.

And you're asleep? Sound asleep. What happened? What was your experience?

I actually don't hear anything. I did live in a rough neighborhood, Dells around I love it. It's getting close to Avenue Q. It's been on the rough side. I think my house has been- Because you're a rich guy.

You're a person of privilege. Is that what you're saying? Oh, yeah.

I'm just super loaded. That's why I'm in this position.

So you live You live in the hood.

Yes, very much so. But it's a great part of the district, though, too. It's not just- Oh, I got that.

It's not just- It's just funny.

It's like- It just has some higher crime rates. Lpd has done a great job, actually, in recent months, getting that area cleaned up. So it's getting better. But the people there are still... Even my friends and neighbors that were around there, they're still... They're just appalled at the way that I was treated.

So you're asleep, and what do you experience?

My front door flying all the way across the living room and damaging both of my couches. It would lay sideways where the door is blocked. I just think that my house is being broken into. I have no idea what's going on. I'm a 2A, will always be 2A. The second amendment is to defend your home, your property, and your country from both enemies, foreign and domestic. I'm leaned across the railing with an AR not knowing that there are federal agents outside until- Come on.

Why didn't they just call you?

See, and this is the thing, because at this point, this is when they've made the first announcement over the Bullhorn, Ryan Zink. This is the FBI come out with your hands up.

But why didn't they just call you and say, Come downtown?

So they used a Facebook post that I said, I'm not coming quietly on some stuff. I'd seen some of the other rest, but I'm talking about my voice. I'm a journalist. I'm not some red neck.

Who are these? Americans doing this?

Yeah. Well, and I still believe to this day that there's foreign interference in 2020 as well, all through the Biden election. Obviously. Or term administration.

But the thugs who ripped your door off the hinges, they're Americans.

Yes, the FBI. So sad. But there were multiple agencies that worked it. I mean, we're talking about 60 people in a helicopter.

Actually? And you never went inside the building?

They shut down the blocks around my house for fear that I was going to run. Where am I going to go? Where federal agents in the bathroom- This is what happens when you murder Americans and there's no...

And Lindsay Graham applauds and Bipartisan applause for killing Americans. I'm just going to say it. I thought that about the ICE killings. I'm totally opposed to mass migration. It should deport every illegal. I really believe that. They're destroying this country. However, it's not a small thing to shoot an American in the throat. It's just You can't just blow past it because they treat some liberal lesbian check that way. They're going to treat you that way at some point. That's what I think.

We have to look at those individually across the scale. It's individual actions.

Don't show brutality to Americans. That's how I feel. Why wouldn't I feel that way? Yeah. Sorry. I don't know why I'm out of control. Okay, so you've got an AR. God bless you. Then what happens?

They make the announcement, and I dropped it quick because if any one of those guys had come around the corner, I wouldn't be here. No. Oh, you'd be- Riddled, Swiss cheese.

You'd be like the guy who predicted 9/11.

Yeah.

Or you'd be like the guy who showed up at Comet Pizza.

At the wrong time, yeah. Yeah.

He was He was just shot to death in a traffic stop two weeks ago, as you may have seen. Resisting arrest. Yeah, no, I'm sure they couldn't wait to kill you. So, wow, so you dropped the AR, and then you find that it really is federal agents.

Yes. I'm trying to peek around the corner to see what's going on, because, again, I live in a bad neighborhood. This is a tactic that's used by people to infiltrate homes. Well, they'll be like, Please come out with your hands up. It's actually four dudes that are coming after to rob me. Exactly. I can't really tell, but then that's when the red dots hit all over me. That's when the flashlights- Actually, the red dots were on your body? Yes. They were actively going to shoot me. If I had come around the corner with that, what would have happened? If I had decided not to post up at the back man, what would have happened? I wouldn't be here.

It would have been quick anyway. Yeah, no.

Or would it? I mean, slow bleed out. I'm taken into custody. I walk out. It's like, I don't know, 12 degrees outside this day, and they will not let me have shoes. I'm standing outside barefoot in jogger pants, and It was like a T-shirt for good 38 minutes. So as they're inside of the house, they are flashbanging my dogs repetitive. A six-pound papillon, not even at that time. He's like three pounds, and a 70-pound chocolate lab. He's my bird dog, who now has PTSD and he's damaged. He can't hunt anymore. He's completely retired.

Do any of these guys go to prison?

No.

Every one of them should go to prison for doing this.

I believe that there are people that infiltrated this from Washington, DC. Michael D. Brown, the lead over my case, I believe that he should be behind Barge No Questions Ask.

But anybody you look at- When you flashbangs, your chocolate lab should be in prison. It's really simple. Yeah.

Well, and not just that, but they need to pay for the damages that it's caused, just like to our family. And I'll get into that some later, very briefly. But it's not just that. It's the way that they perpetrated this whole thing. They broke every door in my house. Unlocked doors, the bathroom door, broken. Bedroom door, broken. Smashed open for no reason. They stole things from my coin collection. I'm still missing Roman coins. All of my gold coins are gone. These are federal agents, federal agents stealing from it. There's money, there's a couple of hundred dollars missing from my wallet. There are federal agents doing this.

How does that- I'm not leaving the United States, period. I'm going to die here. But I wouldn't judge you if you said, I'm out, I'm going to El Salvador. I'm going to a civilized country. No, I can't. I'm not. I'm in this country. Clearly, you're not, and I respect that. But I also wouldn't judge you if you said, I can't live in a place like this. This is too scary.

I'm not. I'm here for the long run. I'm texting We're going to fight, I promise. All that happens. I wind up, I go to Lubbit County Jail. As I'm leaving, so they try to unlock my phone. They didn't have a warrant for my phone at first. They're trying to unlock it with my face. Michael D. Brown. There's a difference in those characters. Not much in morality causes, though. But they tell me, Do you know why we're here? I'm like, I'm guessing this has something to do with the Capitol. I'm not saying anything else. You're not my friends, blah, blah, blah. So the Lubic police officer from LPD pulls over after I'm taken into custody, shuts off all of his cameras, body camera, video camera, everything, and says, We wanted to do this a different way. What happened to you today? We were threatened that if we interfered in any way, that they would strip our badge and take us right down to the jail with you because you had multiple people from this department that know you, that told them, All you have to do is make a phone call.

Yeah. That happens. The feds forced this.

Yeah. That happened. The next couple of weeks, I'm at Lubbit County Jail. Everyone was very nice there, except for this one super lesbian check that was there. That was always in a bad mood. I still talk to some of these corrections officers that I see them, and I pass them on the street now that my case has been dismissed and I have my pardon. They're always like, It was really crazy for us to see you there because it was obvious that you didn't belong. This is where the diesel therapy starts. This is a common tactic. All J6ers went through this in some form or another. First, I went to Eden, Texas, had an impromptu interrogation as a terrorist, where I was physically removed from the rest of the population taken into a separate building, placed into a room with one man who I later found out was the intake coordinator of that facility. I cannot remember his name right now. He's in the lawsuit. We'll be seeing more about that to come. But he brings me in, does an impromptu interrogation, says that he knows that I'm a terrorist, that I'm working with other people and stuff.

Who is this guy?

He just works for the facility. It's a core civic facility. It's a private institution. That he just felt like he was going to be like Captain Save America or something. Obvious super Democrat.

Yeah. Private prisons. Good idea. Thank you, Gingrich. You ever thought that up.

Yeah, good plan. Not to mention that I do believe in strong punishments for criminals. For sure. I think that there's gross negligence on a lot of judges for the sentences that they put on people. But when you look at the prison system, it's a monopoly. It's all the same people that are making all the money, keeping Americans behind bars. And then the grievance processes and things like that, there's a lot that needs to be done for prison reform, just for conditions. And you'll see that in the next part of this segment. By the time that I to Washington, DC, I've already seen, not at Lovet County, nothing happened there, but at some of the other facilities, like federal transfer, like CoreCivic. You see dudes in there that are being forced to put lipstick on with M&Ms, like green M&Ms. They have to dunk them in water and hold somebody's pocket. And this is all in plain view of staff.

Why are they doing that?

What does that mean? Because they're owned by somebody in there. They're being raped.

How long How did you find the interview behind bars?

Eighty-four days is about what I did for the whole thing. I'm one of the lucky J6ers for all of this.

That doesn't seem lucky to me for never going inside the building, never breaking- But when you look at Some of the other people, Enrique Tarrio, Ryan Samsel, some of the conditions.

I had it bad when I got to DC, but I got to be out. I got to be with my family. I got to meet with my attorneys. I didn't have to spend two, three, four years in solitary confinement, being driven crazy. My extent was just the DC, and then I had to go to a federal prison in Arizona, which that's a whole nother thing in itself right there. My worst part of my journey was, well, it will always be the two miscarriages. But...

Excuse me. I'm sorry.

It's hard. I wasn't going to get emotional today, America.

No, it's all right.

But when I got to the facility, I was a J6er. This is in C2B. This is the original pods. This whole facility in Washington, DC, is covered in mold. This place was condemned and then reopened for use due to compiling crime that was going on. I'd like to remind everybody that the Trump administration at the end arrested 62 people. Then by the six month mark, Joe Biden's administration had arrested well over 600 people at that point. So I'm one of the first people to get arrested for all of this. And what is given to all of these different agencies across the region, everyone, and what they actually told people in person, they were still talking about Brian Sickenick in his death and how Jay Sixers beat him to death or something like that, which he died for natural causes. We saw that. We've seen the autopsy report. They told cops at the scene that I had murdered a police officer. Of course, these guys are coming slamming. None of that's in the official paperwork, though. This is just what I know from doing my own research and coming back and talking to people. So by the time that I get to DC, well, DC is obviously a Democratic district.

All of the people that work at this jail are not, at least on the intake side, a majority of them, they're not from this country. They're all foreigners. So when we get there, the abuse starts. I can show you scars on my wrist from where they dug handcuffs into me until I bled. I show these everywhere I go.

They're foreigners? Yes.

I believe most of them are from Somalia, at least the intake crew, the people that are actually- What? Yes. At that facility, when I was there, I would say probably 70% of that staff was foreigners.

Somalias? Yep.

Or a region close by, just according to the dialect that I looked into.

Whites are in serious trouble in this country. They're not going to be treated well. Sorry.

Well, I think anybody who goes- You don't have to agree with that, but I think anybody who goes against the status quo is not going to get treated well. I don't think it matters what color you are anymore.

Well, there's just so much hatred toward people on the basis of their skin color that it's not good.

Yes, there is. That's not good. Well, that's a problem in my district, too. We have candidates that only work with one particular style of people, but they'll take money from everybody. There's a track record of that, but I'll get into that later. When I get to DC, I'm segregated from the rest of the people that are there, that are just being transferred. I think there was one guy was there for murder, and there's another guy for burglary of habilitation, something like that. I'm handed a bag of water and a moldy ham sandwich. That's my welcome to DC. I haven't eaten. I've been getting diesel therapy. I was in Oklahoma City. What's diesel therapy? That's where they just... My family had no idea where I was. They wouldn't let attorneys know that you were being transferred. They would just move you from place to place to place. I went from Lovet County to Eden, Texas, to the core civic facility. Then I was taken to Midland, Texas, but we did a big round road trip all the way up to like, Anton, Texas, then back down. Then I went over to Midland. I got on Conair.

I actually flew on the big Conair plane, and I flew from Midland to Oklahoma City. Then I went to the federal sorting center just outside of Oklahoma City. Then I was also putting on to a smaller plane I was flown to either somewhere in Pennsylvania New Jersey. Then we did a road trip where they didn't allow us to stop, period, until we got to the jail. They stopped on the side of the road to relieve themselves, but they wouldn't let us out to do it.

Then- Were you handcuffed during this travel?

The entire time. Shackles, handcuffs, and a box over the top.

Are you serious? Yeah. In the vehicle, you're shackled.

In the van, yeah. For this entire however many hours that we drove. And mind you, I don't know where I I still don't know what airport we landed at to be able to get an accurate time description.

What were the other guys who were traveling with you?

One of them was a J6er. They were a little rowdy. It's just prison, jail. They're talking crap, everything else. But pretty relaxed, I'd say, for the most part, at least from what I… Up until that point. Then I was still new to the whole being arrested scene. So I didn't really know what rowdy meant then. But then we're in there. We finally get there, get him a moldy ham sandwich. And then it takes hours to get processed. So they come in, they take a picture of your iris, of your eye, sorry. And get your fingerprints, get everything done. If you said anything to them, they're either going to push you, shove your head into something. They're very, very aggressive. And then, so the reason that I have the scars on my wrist from the handcuffs is because I asked this particular gentleman where he wanted me to put my clothes. He told me to shut the F up, do what he says. And then as soon as that happened, I was like, Okay, here or there, basically. And he just was like, just turn around. And so he put cuffs on me, taking me all the way through.

There's still a lot of trauma from this that I sort through.

So I just get this- This is such a nightmare. I can't even... I'm listening to you thinking, how would I handle this? I don't know.

Well, I mean, the only way that I handled this was my faith in Jesus. I'll just be completely upfront, honest about it.

Were you a Christian when it started?

Absolutely. I was a Christian. I wasn't living my life the way I was supposed to, but I can definitely tell you that this woke me up to where... I'll get into that. You'll see the exact moment here in just a minute, too. But I make it to the first cell. The first cell that I'm introduced to at this facility has a quarter inch of urine and feces on the ground, and there's no running water in this cell. Eventually, they turn the water on to where it was there. But we're talking two days later. I'm in here. I'm in this cell that's covered in mold, urine and feces. Another person's urine and feces, not mine, by the way.

This is in Washington, DC.

This is in Washington, DC, in C2B. The first pod that I was put in, I think it was six to the right, If you go to the far left of when you walk into there.

What are we doing? I don't understand. What is this country doing?

I don't either. It gets worse. It gets a lot worse from there. At this point in time, this is when I'm starting to complain. I'm saying, Hey, can you get me a plunger? Can I have a mop? Can I have anything? Denied, denied, denied, denied, denied. They're not letting me out. I haven't showered. It's been three days, been there, no shower. At this point, it's really been five days because I haven't showered since I left the sorting center Oklahoma. I had to do a whole flight plus a drive to get there at this point. I haven't really eaten anything. I'm getting food for these couple of first days that I'm there. And I finally, I get an attorney call. I had some other attorneys that they're Democrats. They decided not to continue with my case because I refuse the plea deal. I wouldn't take it. I sent you a copy of that as well. So you can see the verbiage and what the government wanted me to admit to in order to receive probation versus a 20-year felony. I complained to my attorney, and she calls the facility and says, We want to do a conditions check.

So they move me all the way to the end. I'm at the very end cell of the block. And this made them very mad, very, very mad. As a matter of fact, I only got to come out to shower twice during this and one of them is super critical. I'm here for however many weeks that I'm at this facility. And this is when they started putting bleach in my food, Windex, any type of chemical that was in there. I never had another meal that if I got to eat, didn't have some chemical in it because I had complained about the facility, and obviously, I got somebody in trouble. But I still don't know who that is to this day because they won't open records for J6ers. I asked for a Bible every single day that I was there, which is why I carry mine with me everywhere I go, brought here to the studio today. I was allowed to have a book. This is the only thing that I had in solitary confinement the entire time that I was there. It was an eighth grade level reading book about a slave owner who falls in love with a slave, cheats on his wife, and runs away to the north with her.

Perfect reading for an eighth grade school, I guess, in Washington, DC. I'm sitting in In my cell. I'm losing lots of weight. I don't have a cup to drink out of. I'm drinking out of the bag that my soap came in. I'm very sick. I'm rinsing out rice and trying to rinse off. They would give us boiled eggs. And then when they would deliver my food, they would bring it in the little styrofoam things, too. Sometimes there would just not be anything in there. So I would go for days on in without eating, or I would have rice and a piece of ham that's completely soaked in bleach that I have to stick inside of my socks and start wringing it out just to be able to have some sustenance. I'm having all kinds of stomach issues. I'm losing weight very, very, very rapidly at this point. I'm getting very sick Well, then one day, they finally, they let me out for a shower. Of course, somebody goes in my cell and I'm thinking, Oh, they're probably just doing an inspection or something like that. Well, what had actually happened was, is they tried to kill me.

They went in and they placed raw pieces of chicken inside of my water line to where I would turn on the faucet and the water would come out and it would go past the raw pieces of chicken. I didn't figure this out for... I don't really know when, how many days it was because I had no sense of time because I didn't have a tablet. I didn't have anything that other prisoners were allowed to be afforded because I was all the way at the end. The only way that I knew this was because I was drinking out of that bag that my soap came in and a little piece fell out. I was able to stick my toothbrush, my little government-issued two-inch toothbrush, up inside of there and knock all of that chicken out. There were three pieces about this big inside of there. Mind you, I went in it like... Since I got out of prison, obviously, I've been eating a little bit. But I went in at like 180. I came out at like 130 pounds. I would get out.

You lost 50 pounds?

Fifty pounds in custody in Washington, DC. When you consider stress, not eating, just the overwhelming amount of stress, like having nosebleeds all the time from the chemicals that are in my food, throwing up all the time because my stomach hurts and I don't have anything to keep it down, being denied medical at all, never allowed to have a medical form, never allowed to have a grievance form, nothing. We were isolated alone, left there to die. I thought I was going to die. As I say before you now, I thought there was a point in time where I was going to die. I was looking out the window of the cemetery There's a cemetery that goes around this building on the backside. I would watch people. It was the only thing I had because I only had that one book about a slave that I slid back out under the door so somebody else could have something to do. I would watch people walk their dogs. Through the cemetery. I looked out there and I was like, I'm going to die in here. This is probably where I'm going to go. My family's not going to know what happened to me.

By the grace of God, He came into the self with me while I'm praying, God, what did I do to deserve this? I thought I stood for something that day. I didn't hurt anybody. I didn't damage anything. I didn't do anything that would really make me deserve this. Why am I here? And God said, very clearly, I know the path that I have for you. You'll be fine. You're going to get out of this. I'll be right there with you. Stay where I put you. Stay where I put you.

Did you believe him?

It was hard to at the time, but seeing the progression of where everything is gone. Oh, Tucker, he was there. He was there the whole time, and he never left me. Period. He'll never leave anybody that believes in him. No matter where you're at, I promise he'll be in the fire with you. I promise he'll be there. Man. I would get out four days later. The video of me protecting police officers on the East porch would get to Judge Bostberg, and he would release me. I was one of the first ones to get out. Out of all this. That's when the fight began. We started going. I was looking at decades in prison.

Decades?

Decades in prison.

I just want to say, again, that no one who did this has ever been punished that I know of.

No, they haven't. I don't understand how if Republicans have all three branches of government, have the Congress, both chambers and the executive branch, I don't understand how no one's been punished. Well, I can tell you it's because there's a division that's up there. A third of the people want J6ers to go to prison forever. A third of the people just want J6 to disappear, and the other third don't care. They're too focused on everything else. Which, you know.

We're all going to have to answer for what we do. That's true.

That's true. Very much so. So that's basically the worst part besides the miscarriages. You know, we- What did you mean when you said the miscarriages? So my wife and I, we've had two miscarriages during this entire process of me being arrested. And then the conviction was up to that point. Now we have one daughter, another one on the way. Oh, bless you. God. Sorry. It's just crazy to me that I would have a four-year-old, a three-year-old, an 18-month-old, and then one more on the way right now with our other daughter that's expected in April. They're the reason that I fight because I have to leave something behind for them. We would go through this whole process of going back and forth the trial with the imminent that just rained over me from that point. It's one of the things that... Yeah, it was difficult getting convicted in DC, but 14 Democrats, two Democrat prosecutors. I have three federal witnesses that I can now prove perjured themselves in their testimony. I had 300 braided violations. They refused to turn over 300 points of evidence from my camera, cell phone, and SD cards that I took for pictures on the day.

All the way up to the trial, they were still saying that I had assaulted police officers, gone into the building, and was just running ruckus that day. We got those dismissed. September 23rd, I was convicted of the obstruction felony, 1512 C2 that was overturned at the Supreme Court. I was put on stay, a motion of stay until the Supreme Court ruled on that. Then when we got to sentencing, I was only convicted of the two misdemeanors. There's a very critical aspect. I'd send you all the picture last night of what it was supposed to be posted outside. Well, John Nassif, another J6er, just got his... The Supreme Court didn't actually hear the case, but they made a ruling on it that said that the First Amendment application ends the second a person crosses the threshold of the United States Capitol. So if that's the case, and they made the ruling on his that the First Amendment ends, I never crossed the threshold. So we'll see what the future holds for my lawsuits against the federal government.

So when were you convicted?

September '23.

So this is basically just consumed your life for years.

Years, hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Do you have a job during this? What are you doing with your life when you're just- So I'm still active in safety.

I work in safety right now. What does that mean, safety? So I am I'm a safety coordinator. I look at what people are doing when they work and decide, which I have a boss.

It's like-Yeah, no, I didn't mean specifically, who do you work for? But you go into a work site and assess whether they're going to survive.

I do audits and I watch behavioral mechanisms to see if ergonomically there's something that we could change to stop somebody from getting hurt. Is there a process that we can change? Are there administrative controls? Can we put a guard to prevent somebody from sticking their hand inside of here. Then I was also at some of the harshest times. I was actually working. I have no problem trashing them. I was working for Bear Crop Science as their Safety Director for the to research and Development Department and working with cotton, all these different just stuff that's relevant to my area where I live. They terminated me when I got convicted. I told them, I'm going on appeal.

Why did they fire you?

For getting convicted. Bayer is very liberal.

Bayer being the German pharma company? Yeah.

That was one of the things I was working.

How liberal are they?

Very.

That doesn't sound liberal. That sounds like authoritarian.

Well, when you see all the rest of the stuff that they do around the globe, it's very easy to see which side they lean to. Like the red tape, bureaucratic control of what they're spraying, the secrecy behind it. I mean, you look- But they're spraying?

Yes.

Agents that are harming farmers. The chemicals that they spray are causing health issues amongst farmers. It's not just here. This is a global aspect.

But bear is doing that.

Yeah.

So, I mean- The Zyclon B type stuff.

What does the general public actually know about what's being sprayed? Zero. Zero. Then all of that paperwork and everything is bound up, and there's only a select group of people that can know it's being sprayed off an airplane, 500 yards from your house on land that they're leasing. There's some real issues and some transparency issues that need to be handled. That's one of the things that I hope to go forward with in Congress, if the Is that- You're saying chemtrails are not just a conspiracy theory? Well, when you look at that, I would believe that chemtrails- It's totally real.

They've admitted it's real, but it's just funny after.

It's cloud seeding. We literally have companies that are stating that they've been successful at putting manufactured rain in our area. Of course.

No, of course. That's true around the world. But if it's successful, I think that's great. Well, they also said for four years that J6 was totally organic. It was not a false flag. Now we know it was a false flag.

Yeah, and there's documents that came out this week that even Christopher Ray, who, by the way, I forgot a part. When I was arrested, he flew to Lubbock and gave the police chief of Lubbock an award. Then he became- For smashing all your doors and terrorizing your dog. Well, I mean, feds did that.

What was the effect on your family, on your wife, for example?

We had a lot of problems. I think it was very scary, the fact that... My wife and I, we've never had a wedding because we couldn't. I didn't want them to label her as a domestic terrorist. If you go in and look at the Quiet Skies program and also the way that the Patriot Act is allowed to move throughout communities, the Patriot Act, I believe, is one of the most unconstitutional acts that was ever passed 9/11. They're literally able to quantify you. I was labeled as a white Christian Nationalist and then a domestic terrorist. This is the first flight.

You were labeled as white and Christian, huh? Yes.

So this is the first flight that I've had that doesn't have the four S's at the bottom of it since February 4, 2021. This flight here, to where I didn't get stopped at every single gate that I I went through for never even going into the building. And going back to the whole work thing, I do have to say that I did travel all across the state of Texas and speak. I would do speaking engagements, too, where I would talk about J6. I had the Trump trailer. It was gifted to me by one of the GOP chairs in Amarillo, and I was selling Trump merchandise all across the state of Texas at events, fourth of July. Any place that I could find that I could post up. All while running for Congress in the last term as well while I'm going through this because no representation. There were only two people that actually stood up for me out of all the offices that I called, including Jody Harrington, the current budget committee chairman and congressman for my district that's retiring. He refused to help the two people.

Why?

Well, again, a third of them want us to go to prison forever. A third of them wanted us to disappear, and the other third don't care.

Did you ever speak to Jody Harrington?

Face to face. Matt, face to face, showed him everything that I've given you.

What did he say? Nothing.

So that he wasn't getting involved.

Nothing. We're all going to have to answer for how we live. We are.

But I do have to give a shout out to the two people that did. I disagree with some of the stuff that's happened. Policies are indifferent, but I have to give credibility where credibility is due. Dustin Burrows, the speaker of the House for the State of Texas, wrote a letter to the judge. Good for him. George Santos. Of course. Former congressman, George Santos, wrote it in. I love George. I talk to him pretty regularly. I disagree with the way that some of the stuff with him was handled. I never understood why George Santos, who's got a rank at the very bottom of the ranking of threats to national security, why George Santos went to prison.

He did time in prison also, as you know. Why do they hate George Santos so much? By the way, anyone who knows George Santos, impossible to hate the guy.

Yeah, he's very nice.

Oh, yeah, he's amazing. I don't agree with him on everything either, but I don't need to. He's a decent man. He's a nice man. But I think it's stuff like that that got him in prison.

Yeah. He brought me into his office. His staff was very nice to me. Of course. He looked through everything. Of course he did. And anything that I thought was in his power to help. It wasn't enough. The GOP chairs in a couple of different counties wrote some letters. But actual elected officials, that's it. And I called every office in the state of Texas.

What about your governor?

Abbott doesn't care.

What about Senator Ted Cruz?

Cruz's office wouldn't respond.

They wouldn't respond?

I couldn't even get a callback. Nothing.

You should have told him you're Israeli. Oh, He'd show up at your house. Of course, he does for money.

But- We got multiple phone calls from unavailable numbers that said, If your dad drops out of the race, we'll drop the charges. We'll give you $200,000 to drop and take the plea deal. I got phone calls all through this.

Was your dad arrested? No. Interesting.

Well, and I mean, that's one of the things that it's like, Why did they target me? It was because I wasn't a Republican Congressional candidate. I was just there. Your poor dad, he must have felt such guilt. Yeah, no, he did. But at the end of the day, it's not his fault.

No, of course, it's not his fault.

He does, and he gets real emotional about it sometimes. But the thing is, is that we never stopped the fight. We never stopped. All this did was make me mad, the things that I've been through. All this did was prove that our government has too much power. All this does is prove that the people of the United States of America have had their Constitution constitutional rights whittled away from them one vote at a time in a room of 435 people that then goes up to the Senate, gets signed off on. That's where we're at, because I fully believe that we are not in a battle against flesh and blood, but spiritual battle for the United States of America, and not just for that, for our world. And that's one of the biggest parts of my message of why I want to run for Congress. It's not just what I've been through, which was a nightmare, but it was who stood with me while I was in the fire. And that's Jesus Christ. That's my faith. There are three books that built this nation, the Bible, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. And they all three play off of each other.

And that is my platform because the United States was designed to be run underneath the men who have the respect for the Bible. And if you don't have that, then your oath means nothing.

That's right.

Any oath that somebody takes to this country, and some of the oaths in Washington, DC, I don't think they're valid either. When you look at Jeb Bostberg, a Skull and Bones member, there's lots of things with him that are just ridiculous. That's my judge. For the viewers, if you don't know who that judge is, that's the one that's trying to make President Trump bring back the 127 Venezuelans who were put on a plane, and he tried to make the plane turn back around. This is an unelected official Right. Trying to dictate out of a district of the United States of America, trying to dictate exactly what a president can do, what the Supreme Court can do, what you can do. Then he's destroying lives. He's the chief judge in DC. I believe that he's responsible because even at trial, he denied me a defense of the First Amendment, allowed 300 braided violations, witnesses to lie. I'll give you an example of one of the jurors that I had. One of the people that was approved for jury for my trial was a Democrat leader for, I think it was the Netherlands, who he literally stated when he came, he was like, I don't think that I can sit for this case because I believe that everyone that was at the Capitol that day is a terrorist.

James Bostberg was like, Well, what we're talking about specifically is this defendant. Have you seen anybody or anything about him that would lead you to believe that you couldn't be bare and partisan? He said, Well, I guess not. They said, Great. We'll see at four o'clock for a selection. This is in my transcripts. That's the fairness that we had. Fourteen Democrats, one of them cared so little about my life. He fell asleep and then never shut back up after the third day.

It's not a jury if you're peers. I think it's fair to say. No, it's not. The other thing I notice is that people believe whatever they're told by the media.

Well, absolutely. I really do think that mainstream leftist leading media is the true enemy of the people of the United States. Because you can still tell a lie while telling a portion of the truth. If you leave out any part that's absolutely relevantly critical, you can completely spin a story while it's true. What they're saying for as far as libel, slander goes, those probably don't apply. Defamation, because one portion of it is true, they'll be fine in a courtroom. But we don't have judges that are going after them. For for the way that they portray things. I think that there should be accountability in media. But how do we do that?

How do we do that? Did any media organization cover J6 Fairly, do you think, or was it all?

Jen Phillips from Lubic gave me a fair shot. I think that Manny from Abilene gave me a fair shot. That's it. As far as the leftists leading, like MBC, ABC affiliates. Now, the Epic Times, all the people that I talk to along the way, Diamond and Silk, all the shows that I've been on, they've been very fair. Ask some hard questions and things that people wanted to know. I think that's fine. I think that's a great banter. But then you look back at what was done to me this last week. I was at a forum. Kcbd comes in. They do an interview with me. Instead of actually showing, so I've already filed an appeal and my case has been dismissed. So not only did I go through all of this, but my case is now dismissed and I'm pardoned by the president. So instead of stating all of the facts, they just said, put up a video of me talking about the district and then said, Zink was convicted of crimes in September of '23, even despite the fact that none of those are relevant anymore, that I've gone through this all of this.

Have your gun rights been restored?

Yes, they have. And I use them, and I encourage everybody to have them. And everywhere that I go, I carry, and I think every American should, too. I think you should be given two things at birth, a Bible and a gun. And learn to use them both accordingly because they will be the biggest weapons that you need to fight everything in this world, particularly more so on the Bible. But now I'm running again.

Why are you? Okay, so first of all, thank you for recounting that.

Appreciate it. Yeah, man.

Was it emotional?

It is. I try not to, but man, It's so hard.

Oh, it made me emotional. Okay, why are you running for Congress?

I want to make sure that West Texas stays away from Washington, DC, politics and Austin, Texas, politics. We have a great thing in our district, and we have lots of issues that need to be looked at sincerely, and we cannot have somebody who is not willing to speak up in the fight for our country. Representation in our area has always been very lax on what they'll say, and I think that we need a strong front. I think that I've been vetted out. I refuse to take a plea deal. I refuse to bend the knee. I feel like I've already been vetted. You can tell a lot about a person who has faced the giants and came out on the other side and kept moving. I believe that I would do a lot of good for the district because we're in a spiritual battle, and I've become so close in my faith. I have a lot of support from my community. I've never actually met a person that has condemned me for what happened once they've seen everything that I was able to show them.

I don't know what they would condemn you for.

Well, you'd be surprised. I mean, there are some people you're just never going to reach. I mean, you can see it on Facebook post, Twitter posts, which I don't even have a Congressional Facebook page right now because they seized it again. Who did? Facebook. Why? They took it down because I am not real. Disingenuous behavior.

I'm totally confused. When did Facebook take this down?

Five days ago.

So they seized my- They took down your Congressional Facebook page? Yes. Okay.

For disingenuous behavior.

Disingenuous? Like, false?

Yeah, they're basically saying that I'm not who I say that I am, even though I I'm a congressional candidate, they keep seizing it. I'll scroll through my phone. I got 50 different examples. I'm actually filing charges with the Luby County Sheriff's office over this. I'm not really sure what's going to be able to be done about this because we saw Kara Casterova fight her case against Facebook, and I think she spent a couple of million dollars and lost. But this is one of those things where a left-leaning liberal, Ali, he's donated $500 million to Democrats, speaking specifically about Mark Zuckerberg. Then they have the right to deny my voters my opinion just because they can say that I'm disingenuous.

But did you do something to trigger this?

There's only two posts on there. One was about abortion. I tried to post something about abortion because I believe that life begins at conception. Well, obviously it does. Yeah. I will never vote for anything that would promote abortion in America. Abortion is murder. Of course it is.

Everyone knows that, by the way.

Yeah. That was one of the things that they just absolutely would not let me post. Then the day after that, they seized it.

Oh, so Mark Zuckerberg doesn't want anything to get in the way of human sacrifice.

I don't know if that's his stance, but from the people he hangs out with, I think that that could be a real possibility. Yeah, I think that's real. I think most of what there's- You're running for Congress.

I don't think I've heard a story of someone mistreated by the government like the one you just told in a long time. That's an unbelievable story. Then you want to participate. You don't become a revolutionary. You're not stockpiling C4. You're like, I'm going to go to and change a system within the structures that our forefathers created. You're doing the right thing. Zuckerberg is like, I don't like your position on abortion. You can't talk in public anymore. What do you do about that? Who do you appeal to?

X. That's where I go to. Ryan Zee for Congress is my page on there. I've never once been taken down. I've never had anything, and I've posted some real doosies. You have to go where the freedom is in this country. So X independent shows to get the truth out.

But there's no one you can call if Facebook takes you down, right?

No, there's not. There's not a phone number. There's nothing. You have to go through the appeals process. Actually, they haven't even given me an appeal process to get it back. They just seized it, took it from me.

I sat across from Mark Zuckerberg at the presidential inauguration. Were you there? Were you invited?

No, I was not. Okay.

He was.

So just for the Interesting. I can tell you why. I can tell you why, I think, is because a majority of the J6 Facebook profiles were surrendered voluntarily. They didn't even have to get a warrant on a majority of them. Now, there were warrants that were issued. Some of them actually came later. But the things that people post that are now public information, three-letter agencies can take that and they can do compression files on it. That's how they were labeling people and rounding people up. People have no idea what they're agreeing to when they click that box. They just want the Facebook account. They want to be able to connect to Chad from Billings, Montana, they went to high school with. But they don't see the danger that's behind what they're actually agreeing to. That is perfectly legal because it's a private company. And that's part of the issue. That's some of the things that I want to change when I get there. Not just like, there's a lot of stuff about my district that I like to cover But there's a lot of protections that Americans voluntarily give up that they should be made aware of.

It should literally be a checkbox that says, are you aware that any photo that you post on here is compiled into an AI drive to help identify you? That's something that should be talked about. It's very clearly in a long summation of wording, you're agreeing to that. It's there and it's real. This is a very clear and present danger. Ai is a big concern of mine. Because one, we have to stay out ahead of China. In my district, this is a big issue because we're getting AI centers, we're getting data centers. We're very concerned about how we're going to keep water in our district.

But I was going to say, do you have the water for that?

We have the water, but for how long? When they come in, are we looking at 20 years? Are we looking at 30 years? I have proposals that I would like to see that we have flare gas in West Texas. It's a way to burn off gas. Atmispheric water generators would be perfect to put on there. We could offset and let them use it. Closed-loop systems, I think, are going to be mostly beneficial, but they take a lot of energy. How are we supposed to keep the We have to stay ahead of China. We have to stay ahead of Russia.

So are these set, not to get in the weeds, but are these centers going to be rolling in the gas? Is that the idea?

That's what I would like to see. I would like to get on several committees, like the Ag Board energy sector. Because I believe that we can do this, but at what cost? I mean, we're already $40 trillion in debt. We just spent, what, another $800 million yesterday the day before.

So is the district being asked to pay for some of this stuff?

I think that Just like anything else, they say, this is not going to hurt you. This is not going to affect your electric bill. And then what do we see three years down the road when the funding runs out? It comes from us. Then tax rates go up and we see- Why would citizens fund private businesses, whether it's a a sports stadium or a data center.

I don't understand. Like, what?

Yeah. But you see this all the time where we get promised something to say, like wind turbines. They said that it was going to be one of the greatest thing. I built them. I built hundreds of these things. They're not ever going to pay for themselves.

Have you told Ben Shapiro? Because this doesn't sound like the free market to me at all.

Man, maybe I should. You think he'd listen?

No, I don't think I don't think he's on your side, Ryan, but you just hear these people, the free market, capitalism. I'm in favor of it. When do we get that? Because it seems like the opposite. It seems like crushing the middle class to help a tiny percentage of the population get richer than anyone's ever been.

Then blame it on the rich.

It doesn't seem like capitalism to me. But who are you running against?

I'm running against There's eight people total in the race.

In the primary?

Yes. Well, there's seven in the Republican and then one in the Democrat seat.

I'm assuming West Texas is still decided in the primary, correct?

Yes. Whoever gets this seat, you're in.

Right. The Republican winner of the Republican primary will be the next member of Congress. Yeah.

I think we're plus 25 plus 27.

That's my point. Okay. So of the the six you're running against, who are they? Do you have a shot?

I do believe that I have a shot. I think that I have the experience. I think that once people see the full story of J6 plus there, I think so. One of the people that we have is Tom Selle. He is a lobbyist. He's worked in AG for a long time, but for both sides. Not all of the things that he's worked on, do I feel, really had the relevancy to quantify experience. I think that he was there with Larry Combist whenever he was a congressman for our district, the first Republican congressman, when we flipped and have been a Republican ever since. But I'm not really keen on 76% of the farm bill going to snap benefits. I think it's a waste of money. There's a lot of things about the farm bill that need to be changed. The farmers in our area, well, not just here, but all across the United States, but this is the district that I love that I call home, is we have some of the highest input costs that we've ever seen, ever. We need a farm bill that stops putting a bandaid on funding. We have a slew of things.

I think one of the most important issues that's been neglected, not only in the first farm bill, the Yelp, right, is insurance. We're at a giant insurance war, and also in funding. It is very, very hard to get Ag lending with the interest rates, with the amount of money that goes down, not to mention if you're trying to buy a new tractor. I don't know if you've looked at the price of some of those lately. It's astonishing how much it's costing us. Then at the same time, we have grifters that are coming in across the district that make these raucous claims about they've generated millions of votes for Donald Trump with an organization for for Abraham Enriquez. I've seen no relevant information outside of what his campaign puts out that he's raised millions of votes for Donald Trump. I haven't seen it. I hear it from him.

You're talking about a candidate in the primary? Yes. I don't know how you've been treated, but having watched other people make similar statements about the way our system works, I think you're going to get attacked. That's just my guess.

Pretty hard. I've been attacked for five years now. But my- Why? Why? Why not grounds? I've had death threats. We've had somebody come out to my house and place three targets, three shooting targets on my vehicles, one for me, one for my wife and one for my daughter. I turned those over to the Hockley County Sheriff's office, and they took a report. There were no fingerprints. Nothing came out of it. I get attacked for being at J6. I get attacked for my faith on a regular basis. Fairs little nefarious group of... No, I'm not just going to say Democrats. I'm just going to say people that don't believe the spiritual warfare aspect of it. There's always that attack. But the threats on my life and my family are the ones that... It's something that I hope nobody has to experience. But I'm there already. We have guys in our race that are parading around after We're getting the government's endorsement with security in Jones County. Nobody wants to shoot anybody in Jones County. This is a very small district that has lost two hospitals, which is another huge issue. Then we have Just continuing with who I'm running against, Jason Corley, Precinct 2 Commissioner for Lubic, Texas.

I like Jason. I think he's a great guy, honestly. I think he's got some experience and some knowledge that I think would benefit. Across the district, not to say that I don't have the same experience. I've been entirely focused on how Congress works for five years, trying to overcome laws that would not just benefit me, but 1,600 people. I think there's some things that he wants to do that are great for the district that I would love to be a part of, too. But there's something missing, and it's not like a Like a smash at him because I think there's guys that have run for the right reason. Then you have Dalmay, who's 80 years old. I believe he's a neurosurgeon, if I remember correctly, has decorated veteran. He's a wonderful man. Do we really want to look at Mitch McDonald this week? Where are we at? Cross the line of how old is too old? It seems pretty chipper, but some of the things that he says, I think it's more of a fantasy than a reality of what you're actually going to get to committee.

Well, a dying country has dying leaders. It's just a bad trend, I would say.

I think there's some I think there's some dissonance to that because what can you actually get accomplished right now? I mean, we have everything that we need to restore this country right now. We still aren't getting the votes.

Yeah, and you're not getting anything done at all. It's getting worse, of course, and it's just a complete betrayal. I think that's fair to say. But the question is why, and the answer from what I can tell, maybe you disagree, is that the machine is so strong that it takes an extraordinary person to stand in its way.

It does. But I think that we could do that, though, and this is- That just takes some extraordinary people. I mean, look at what the squad did to Congress. Look at how they were able to manipulate Nancy Pelosi into a corner.

They're in their own way, extraordinary people. I mean, that's just a fact. I disagree with them, of course, Absolutely.

Me too.

But I think they're, A, talented and B, pretty good at... Pretty brave, really. They stood against a lot of things that their leadership wanted. I don't know. I don't want them in charge of anything. I know they put me in prison immediately if they ever took power. However, I think their success within their own conference is a model to Republicans. Don't go along with what Mitchell McDonald wants and Mike Johnson.

Which is weak, ineffective. That's the biggest- Sinister, too.

I mean, let's be honest, they're sinister.

What is this? The biggest thing that I see that is holding Americans back is that We have to get control of our spending. Our budget is designed to protect America, benefit the American citizens, and then we get into foreign policy about where typically our money is gone. It's It leaves our country. I have a huge issue with that. Some of the other candidates, they don't. They don't have an issue with that. I'm America first. I believe if it doesn't benefit Americans, then we shouldn't be doing it. I don't care what country it is. There's no reason for us to be sending billions and billions of dollars, one, to research transgender frogs in South America, like any of these other crazy things that have come out with DOGE. We should not only be allowing DOGE to continue, but we should be way more actively involved in where our spending goes. I think that Americans have the right to say no.

Of course. Of course, they do. No. I do think at this point when you find out that everyone at DOJ has been sitting on the Epstein files for 15 years, and they knew they're complicit in it. And so at this point, the government has very little legitimacy left, I would say. I don't feel that they're legitimate.

I just think that there's no I don't see transparency at all. I just think that we're being completely lied to. Well, right. And you have to navigate that. You have to have the experience of going through something like I did to see the wording, to see the writing on the wall, and not donate money to the other side for this cause or stand firm in the gap for where you are, because we're never going to get anywhere if we don't fix it. I really feel we're coming up on 250 years here. It's life-worth. What are we going to leave behind for our children?

I agree. It takes bravery. That's what it takes. And you've displayed it. So last question is, since you're not on Facebook- Well, I have one.

I just don't have a Congressional page.

How do people learn about your campaign? How do they send you money?

I just want to say that if every viewer that watched this sent me $5, we could keep the district in its entirety in Republican control. I think that that be more than enough. But I only take money from people that believe in me. I don't want to take money from PACS. Everybody says, Yeah, well, they'll give you all this. I want business owners. I want true patriots Americans who are sick of the system that we live in to get behind me. I don't want to see... If you think that I'm going to bow down to a cause, like with Major Farm or something like that, that would get me to vote a certain way that dishonors the people of my district or dishonors the way that I would live my Christian life, I don't want you money. But if you want to be one of the people that believes in me, that stands up for American values, that stands up for a country that was founded on biblical principles, you can go and you can find everything about my campaign and about me at ryanzink. Vote. That's R-Y-A-N-D-I-N. Ink. Vote. I'm on X at Ryan Z for Congress.

That's the tag handle. Then Ryan Zink is my Facebook. Then also I have a TikTok, but I use that more of a platform for my Bible studies. If I feel led to move something to get a message out on there, I put that on TikTok. And that's just Ryan Zee, Ryan Z for Congress on there.

I appreciate you taking all this time and coming out here for this.

Man, I appreciate you putting some interest in district 19. It's very hard to be in our area and get recognition, get exposure to the needs of our community. Oh, I bet. Just for where we are. I feel like sometimes, as big as we are, it's a large district. It's over 30,000 square miles. We've got 750,000 people-ish somewhere around there. It's a big district. It's food, it's fuel, it's fiber. But more importantly, it's faith, it's family, and it's freedom is what grows in our district. That's where I call home, and I love it. I really appreciate the opportunity to come in and tell my story.

Amen. Ryan Sink, thank you very much. Thank you.