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Yes, free, man.

What a fucking crazy story. So let's, let's fill people in. So you were a top contender in the UFC's welterweight division, and then somehow or another you wound up getting arrested in Mexico.

Yeah, man, right after the, uh, Kevin Holland fight, actually, I was— so I was in— I was celebrating. I was over in San Diego, um, had some drinks and decided, you know what, let's go to— let's go to TJ. See who's—

you know, always a phrase that is regretted. We're not even in San Diego and you're drinking. You could walk there.

Shit. Yeah, yeah, literally. So, um, decided to go to, to TJ for the, for the night, you know, go celebrate my win. I was obviously in celebration mode. And I had an ounce of weed in the car, you know, and I've been across the border 100 times, bro. Never had no issues, never had no problems, never got stopped, pulled over. That's the last thing I would even think is that—

I thought weed was legal in Mexico.

I thought so too.

Like here— I thought everything's decriminalized down there.

Apparently not, man. The laws are like crazy, crazy strict over there, you know, and I've been in situations before where I could like just offer some money and get out the situation, you know, like $500 at the most, you know, they'll just let me on my way. But got pulled over at the border and the border inspection found the weed in my backpack. And I was thinking I wasn't gonna be in that situation where I could bribe my way out of it 'cause it's Mexico. I've been there before and I've been in these situations. And nah, man, I thought, you know, they took me to jail that night and, uh, I was thinking, all right, I'm just gonna be here for the weekend, I'll get out Monday, you know, go to court. And they're like, no, we'll see you in a month. I'm like, a month? You know, like, why? It's just weed, you know what I mean? And, um, yeah, 8 months later.

Holy shit.

Yeah, dude.

Jamie, can you please look up what the what the laws are in Mexico for marijuana? Because, man, I was reading something just a few years ago, how they— here it goes. Marijuana is decriminalized for personal recreational use in Mexico, but there's no legal commercial market, and buying it or selling it remains illegal. For tourists and visitors, possession is strictly prohibited.

Wait, what the hell?

It's tourists and visitors. So for everybody else, you would be good. Like, if you were a Mexican resident, you would have been good, it looks like, according to this. Personal limits can possess up to 5 grams, and up to 28 grams is decriminalized. How many grams are in an ounce? That's 1 ounce? 28?

Yeah, so it was approximately 28 grams.

So approximately, you should have been decriminalized. But the thing is, I think it's if you live there. The border. Transporting marijuana, including edibles and concentrates, across the US-Mexico border is either— in either direction is a serious federal offense. US Customs and Border Protection strictly enforces federal laws prohibiting the import/export of cannabis. But wait a minute, that's, that's US, but what about Mexico? You got arrested by Mexican police, right?

I got arrested either direction.

Wow. But, but I feel like if you got arrested by Mexico— anyway, tourists, while small possession is technically decriminalized for Mexican Mexican residents, the Mexican government explicitly prohibits tourists from possessing or consuming drugs, and you could face serious jail time. So that's crazy. Like, people would go over there going, hey, no worries, I'm in Mexico, it's decriminalized here. But yeah, not for a fucking tourist, dude.

They were trying to give me 6 years, bro.

Oh my God, 6 years.

Oh man, I had— we had to do all kinds of stuff for me to get out, dude.

Like, did the UFC get involved?

Hunter did, my management did reach out to Hunter and they couldn't do anything. I guess the reason why—

Isn't there somebody who could get a little of that?

Alright, we'll get into that. We'll get into that. Because I'm out. I'm out, you know, and so I learned real quick how corrupt the system is over there. Everybody's trying to get paid. And the reason why that I was in there so long is I guess at the time where I got arrested, the, the, the whole, uh, judicial system was going through an election at the time. So it was new judges, um, that— so all the, all the judges that were like taking bribes and stuff before, they had all got— they, they switched out the judges. So the new judges were there were like, all right, we just got here, we're not trying to take no You know, we're trying to play it by the book and get comfortable. So I was supposed to get released in December and, and I guess I don't even know if I could even really—

Don't get in trouble.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't get in trouble. It ain't worth it. You can tell me later if it's anything super crazy.

It's very corrupt. It's very corrupt in there. But, you know, it's crazy, dude. Like, even being in there, Um, so my whole experience, my whole experience in there was like so crazy.

How well do you speak Spanish?

Uh, very— I'm, I'm an expert now. I'm like fluent.

Because of that experience or before?

I had already been—

you're obviously—

I had already known, I already know Spanish, but being in there, it's like became fluent.

Yeah, but thank God you could speak it. Imagine if like I got arrested in Mexico, I'd be fucked.

Yeah, so When I first got there, um, when I went to court the first time, one of the guards recognized me and he's like, you know, I'm in handcuffs and shit, and he's like, yo, can I get a picture? I'm like, what? What? So I'm right there taking pictures with the guards, bro.

So surreal.

Yeah, dude.

Oh my God, you're a fucking top UFC contender in cuffs in jail, the fucking guard wants to take a picture with you. Wow.

While I'm in handcuffs. And the other inmates were like looking around like, what the fuck? Who is this guy? You know, because like the guard was like, yo, this is, this is such and such, you know. So as we're getting transported to the jail, which was the worst— I mean, I've been in jail before. I've like, I'm like from the age of 15, like 23, I was constantly in and out of jail. You know, I'm from LA, you know, I was, you know, gang member and, you know, living in the hood. And this time around was a whole different experience. One, I'm in a foreign country. And so I get there and they put us like in the processing area. And the processing area is like probably about this big and like 20 dudes in there. All sleeping on the floor, 2 dudes per bunk, 3, 3, um, on a 3-bunk, 3-levels bunks. And, um, I was there for like the first, like the first 10 days.

Jesus.

And it was hell, bro. It was the worst. Like, I had— I don't know what kind of bugs there was in there, but they were like biting up my whole body. I had like, like just, just bite— I don't know what it was, dude. It was like I don't know, bed bugs, probably something. Yeah, probably, probably bed bugs or something. And, um, right when I had first got there, one of the inmates that saw— that seen the guards taking pictures of me was like— we were right there conversating the whole time, and he, he had, he had just got released from there, but he had did 5 years. He was out for like 2 weeks, got arrested with the gun, and then came back. So he's like, hey, I'm— it's like, I'm gonna try to get you out of here, you know. And, um, over there the guards had tried to charge me 7 grand, bro, to get me out of that, to get me out of that cell and to move me into like a better, a better place. Because over there, if you got, if you got some money, you'll be all right, you know.

And, um, so right before that happened, the dude that was like, yo, I'm gonna come back for you, bro, don't even worry about it.

So how's this work? Does the guard come up to you and go, hey, I can get you in a cell, but it'll cost you $7,000?

Yeah, they come up to you and tell you that. Yeah, so the dude that I had got to the prison with, he comes back down and he's like, hey, he's like, hey, um, the guards came, they pulled me out, and they pull me, they bring me to a whole different like section of, of, um, of the prison, third, the third floor and the second building. And I go up there and I'm escorted by the guards. And there's like a curtain. It's like a curtain covering like the tier. And I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Like, why is there a curtain? And I get in there and they pull me to this dude and this dude's like, oh, you're a UFC fighter? You know, it turns out dude's like head of the cartel, you know, like a cartel leader. And he's like, oh, he's like, I want to just show you around a little bit, let you know how we're running things over here, you know, kind of just gave me the rundown. And this dude had it made, you know. I get there and there's TVs in the fucking cell. Dude has a PlayStation.

He has like, like a whole bunch of just all the amenities you can think of, you know. He's like, yeah, he's like showing me around and shit, kind of, kind of showing me off. Hey, hey guys, look, look at this guy. This guy, you know, he's a UFC fighter, you know. I'm like, alright. You know, what's going on here, you know? And like, you know, because it's jail, dog, you know? I'm like, if anything happens, I'm gonna fucking use all my experience to survive this motherfucker, you know? Right, right. And so he's like, just pretty much give me the rundown. He's like, yo, uh, he's like, I run it here. This is like pretty much, you know, our, our, this is our home, you know? So that dude was facing some charges. He got released and he was facing some charges of him and his like 13 dudes. He got arrested with his whole crew. Him and 13 dudes were all on that tier. So he had all his whole squad with him and they had got arrested for dressing up as like government officials or like military dudes, and they would go like raid dope houses and take their drugs, whatever.

So they had got all arrested for that and they were facing some serious time. And I'm over here like, I just got arrested for a fucking ounce of weed, bro. This is crazy. He's like, oh no, you'll be out soon. Don't even worry about it. But if you want, we can get you like accommodated and you could come up here with us. You know, like you'd be my cellmate or whatever. You could be wherever you want. I'm like, all right. He's like, yeah, but, uh, it's gonna cost you a little bit of money. I was like, oh yeah, how much? Like $3,000. And I looked at the guard, the guard that was trying to charge me $7,000. I was like, he said $7,000. He's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, he's trying to get more extra money out of you. Like, but you do gotta like pay to get up here and like kind of like pay rent a little bit, you know, to the guards. So I'm like, all right, yeah, yeah, so I'm like, all right, cool. So immediately I was like, yeah, let's do it. So they give you like this brand new like Nike tracksuit.

Oh shit.

Yeah. And I'm like, all right. He's like, well, come up here tomorrow. So I get there, um, I get there and then he's like, yeah, just be my cellmate. So, um, I pretty much ended up being like this guy's like— I ended up getting the, the feeling like I was like his protection kind of like, or like you know, like, when we go to yard, I'd just be like, he'd be like, hey, walk with me, like, and I'll kind of like just— I got the impression like, like, like, all right, I'm his cellmate, you know, um, like, I got this guy's back, you know, he got my back, I got his, and I really trusted him, you know, and, and, and that's one hard thing to do in jail, but like, you catch vibes off people real easy, you know, and, and, and yeah, dude, it was just a crazy-ass experience, dude. I ended up, um, we ended up working out with the, with the, working it out with the, with the guards to, to get me some fucking boxing gloves, dude. I ended up getting some boxing gloves in there, um, some, some mitts.

And it just so happened that the dude that I was cellmates with, he had a little bit of boxing experience, so he, he had been a boxer before. So I was like, oh, perfect, you know. And he actually knew how to hold pads and stuff, so, so I ended up spending this whole time—

Please tell me you didn't spar him?

No! He wanted to... That's how it goes south.

Yeah, yeah. I'm glad you're smart. You know what I'm saying? Like when he said boxing gloves, I'm like oh please tell me this doesn't end the way I think it ends.

Nah nah we ended up actually being really cool and um Yeah, dude, I ended up pretty much spending this whole time like in a boxing fight camp, you know?

Oh, wow.

Yeah, I remember I even made like a makeshift double handbag. What I did was like I balled up like a bunch of plastic bags, like really like made it real tight and like so it's like hard, threw it in a sock. I was able to buy from the guards like—

Bungee cord?

Yeah, bungee cord. And then set that up.

Oh, nice.

Yeah, and I made a heavy bag because they had like these big gallons of water, and, and I got the gallon of water and I wrapped it with like the, um, the mat from the, from the bed. So I was like, and I just threw it in a bag, and we had like a pull-up bar in our, in our cell, and I made a, I made a heavy bag out of that. And then whenever we go to yard, I would just spend the whole time running that yard, and I was just trying to do everything I could do to try and stay in shape, man. And it just, time went Time went on, the time went on, the time went on.

And, uh, what kind of food did they get you in his cell?

It was all junk food, dude.

Still?

Yeah, yeah. Um, it was all junk food, like chips, noodles, damn, soda, you know, water, condiments.

So no protein?

None, none, none, none whatsoever. And I didn't think about that part, you know, because I was working out like crazy. And I was getting shredded, but as time went on, my mother— like, I— like, when I got out, I was skinny as hell, bro. I was skinny as hell. And, and the only source of protein would probably be soy.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, so they'll give like—

couldn't you bribe someone to bring in some fucking meat if you're the cartel?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing, like, this was crazy. Like, so towards the end, towards like the, the final end of it Um, I guess the guards started cracking down on, on like a lot of the stuff that was going on. So we started to, to lose a lot of those amenities that we were getting in the beginning. And, uh, and I, I was just, you know, when I got out, I was just, uh, malnourished as hell, bro. I'll show you a picture later, like, of what I looked like when I got out. Completely different person.

How much weight did you lose?

Um, I didn't really lose that much weight, but it was just like more my muscles were just—

Were you thinking about going to 55? Were you like, damn, I might be able to make 55?

I've made 155 one time in my career.

Dude, you made 55? That must have been hell.

Yeah, it was my— it was the worst fight camp ever. Um, it was all based on losing the weight, losing the weight, losing the weight. And then I was just so I remember after that I made 155. I didn't even want to go to the gym for like a month, bro. I was like, dude, I need to— this, this, like, my body was just done, bro.

Yeah, you're killing your body.

Yeah.

What is this?

Oh yeah, that's some of the workouts I was doing while I was in prison, but no protein, unfortunately. Yeah, but no protein. So I was getting pretty shredded, like, when in, in that, like, period in time. That was when we had, like, a lot of like we had food and everything was cool. And if you notice—

oh, look at that, the double end bag! That's nice, dude.

Yeah, dude. And like, you can see the TV in the back, right, on the PlayStation. But I mean, it wasn't—

dude, you're looking good. Yeah, tighten those hands up nice.

I bet. Yeah, man, it was just like, uh, it was like a whole experience. It was crazy because this guy, he'd be like You know, the guards would come in and be like, hey, leave my door open, yeah? And the guards will actually leave this door open. So we were able to walk around the tier and go talk to other people. Like me, I kept to myself a lot. Like, I've been in jail a ton of times before. And I learned easily that, you know, you'll go along— you'll get by if you just mind your own business and not get involved in shit and not get involved with things. I would just stick to myself, you know, and just, you know, just get my workout on and avoid trouble, avoid trouble, you know. But it was crazy to see firsthand how the cartel operates. And it's crazy, man. They got their hands in everything over there. Of course, everything.

You know, there was 37 assassinations in Mexico last election. 37 different political people. And I was talking to Ed Calderón. Do you know who he is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's, uh, Ed Manifesto on Instagram. He was— he used to work for the Mexican government, and then he became an American citizen, and he was involved with prosecuting the cartel, going after them, stuff like that. And he was essentially saying that, like, the entire judicial system, all the mayors, everyone, if they get in, they They're cartel members. Like, no one gets in. No one is a— no one is a mayor unless they're in the cartel. And when they're getting assassinated, it's cartel assassinations. It's one cartel, you know, wants their guy in, and another cartel wants their guy in, and they just shoot the other dude.

Yeah, 37.

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So one of the guys there was actually the actual hitman who was actually like hitman, um, and he was in there, he's like, he's like, yeah man, I've killed like 30 cops in, in my whole experience, and he was in there for— and they were, they were just like telling me about all these things. I'm like, dude, like everybody is involved in this shit. It's crazy, you know. And, and, and over here, like, if you kill a fucking cop, they're like, they're coming after you. But over there, you know, I guess it's just another thing.

Killing, killing over there, lower tier than the cartel. That's what it is. Yeah, the cartel have more money, more power, more influence.

Yeah, and it's crazy how like murders just, they're not even that big of a deal over there, you know. While I was in there, I, I, I, I, I, I was reading, or I saw that Mexico has the Guinness World Record for missing people, missing persons.

Holy shit.

Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. There's so many, like, it was so many hitmen in there. It was crazy. But you know, I didn't have, I didn't get no shit from nobody. You know, everybody was like cool as hell.

Well, that's awesome. Well, you're an easy to get along with dude. Yeah, yeah, luckily. Yeah. Did anybody ask you to train them?

Actually, dude, there's some dogs in there, man. I bet there's this one guy in particular. I'm like, dude, you gotta fucking start fighting. You're like— and he's like, he's— he was, uh, one of— one of the military dudes, and he's just a little fucking machine, dude. And in the time that I was there, he got— he got really good really quick, you know. And I'm like, dude, you gotta like go to the gym down in TJ, uh, that interim gym. I I had mentioned like, yo, even when I got— when I, when I got released, um, that, uh, man, we, we did a whole lot of things to try to get me out, man. Um, there's a ton of fighters even try to pull some strings for me, like Yair Rodriguez, you know, uh, Brandon Moreno, he's from TJ. And, and, and nobody, nobody could help me out, man. Everybody tried to pull strings for me.

And nobody came up with a number, did they? Eventually. What was— how much was the number?

Can you tell?

Uh, I don't want you to get in trouble. Uh, nah, no, don't get in trouble.

Yeah, but it was— talk to me later. It was hefty. It was— I bet it was not cheap. I bet it was not cheap at all.

I bet, you know, everybody wants to get paid.

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Uh, crazy experience, dude. And, um to get out of jail, you know, and then, and then now I have this fight. I'm headlining, headlining, um, UFC Serbia, first time in Serbia fighting Uroš Medic.

When is that fight? August 1st.

Nice. Yeah, to get out of— to get— to go through all that and then, and then to have this opportunity, it's just crazy. And to be here to be here is just, is just crazy, man, because I didn't, I didn't think I was gonna get— I wasn't sure if I was gonna get out, man.

I thought— a good reason, a lot of people don't. Yeah, yeah, you know, the United States prison system is fucked too, but nothing like Mexico's. Everybody that I've talked to that has any experience in Mexican jail, and I'm like, dude, it's not good.

Yeah, no, man, uh, it was, it was crazy.

I just can't believe the cartel can't sneak meat in.

We did sometimes.

Yeah, sometimes.

Yeah, we did some— like, we had— they would bring us groceries, bro. Oh really?

Yeah, because that's the first thing that I would want, man. I would feel like, look, what do we got to do to these guards? What kind of car do you drive, dog? Let's upgrade that shit. We got to do something. I can't be eating noodles. Yeah, man, especially as hard as you work out.

Yeah, I was, I was working out like 2, 3 3 hard, hard workouts a day, you know. I'll do, um, so I'm kind of programmed like, like to just work out, you know. I think, I think from my prior jail experiences before, the only positive thing that I think that helped me in that whole everything that I've been through is like when you're in jail, like I personally, I'm like, I would, I would think like, dude, you, you, you got to be strong. You got to be able to defend yourself. You want to like— that's, that's my whole reason for, for staying in shape, you know. When I started, um, doing MMA, it was just to, to, to be able to defend myself, you know, in situations like if I ever did go to jail, you know. And the only thing that I positive that I, that I took from that is like when I got— when I, when I'll get released from prison prior, um, I just want to work out. I'm already programmed to, to just work out all day, you know. So once I found MMA, I was like, oh, this is perfect, you know.

And, and how old were you when you first started training? 25.

Wow.

Yeah, first— yeah, dude, yeah.

Turn into a UFC contender, that's very impressive. Not a lot of guys started late. Did you have any sports experience before that?

None, bro.

Nothing. None. That's crazy.

None. But I had, I had been in— no bullshit though— I had been in probably around 200 street fights already, including all my jail experience. You know, when I was in juvenile hall, I was a straight knucklehead, bro. Like, I was fighting like every other day, um, and it was just, it became just fun, just fun. Like, if, if like you were like a, a like a tough-looking dude, like, hey, what's up, man? You want to scrap or what, bro? Like, you know, I just— he's like, why? Because you're big, bro. I just want to fight you. Yeah, yeah.

And, and with no training? You had no training at all?

No, no training, man. Just, just, just wanting— just want to learn how to fight. I just want to be fighting. Yeah, yeah.

So it's a crazy way to learn.

Yeah, dude. Just— and like, dude, you can't— I mean, like, imagine getting a fight with your cellmate. I got some crazy shit.

That's crazy shit.

Yeah, you gotta sleep together, sleep with one eye open, bro.

Like, if you sleep at all.

Yeah, yeah. And, um, yeah, so that's, that's the only experience I had prior to, to starting MMA. And then I remember I stopped going to jail when I was like 23. When I stopped going to jail, I started having kids. I'm like, all right, gotta start— I gotta stop gangbanging because I used to think going to jail was cool. Yeah, I used to think it was cool because you get out and you just have like a little more respect. Like, like, I thought, I thought it was cool. I thought like, like, oh, going to jail makes you a badass, you know. But once I started having kids, I realized like, all right, I gotta take care of— I got human beings I gotta fucking— I gotta take care of and raise, you know. So I started looking for every, any possible way to try to live a decent life. And I've tried everything, man. I've had every job you could think of. And but I've even had good jobs before, and I've lost them, you know, by just being a knucklehead and going back to jail. And I remember I got out of prison one time, and my cousin hits me up and he's like, yo, uh, come to my house, bro.

We're gonna watch, uh, some fights and barbecue and stuff. I was like, all right, yeah, dope. I was like, who's fighting? He's like, uh, some dude Rampage. I'm like, who the fuck's Rampage? So I get there and that's when Forrest Griffin had fought. Um, Rampage won the light heavyweight title and I'm like, yo, this is amazing, bro. And then I fell in love with Chuck Liddell and I'm like, dude, this— he's just like me, bro. He's like knocking dudes out, you know. And then I just obsessed with it. I just obsessed with it.

So that was your first exposure to MMA?

I had seen it before, like when it was Tank Abbott. Oh, early days. Yeah, in the early days, but it never caught my attention, like, because I had always been a boxing fan. I'm a huge boxing fan, and I grew up watching boxing, like, all of, like, majority of my family functions growing up, they were all boxing events, like Oscar De La Hoya, Mike Tyson, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, and And I was just— I loved boxing, you know. And I remember, I mean, I did have a little bit of experience before going into MMA because when I lived in the hood, I would always have boxing gloves and I would always make my homies fight each other. Like, when we're all hanging out, like, hey, you go with him, you go with him. Because like, you know, we're all boys and I want them to like— I always wanted them to, to, to like, hey, in case, in case anything happens, in case we're ever all out and we get in a rumble with somebody or anything like that, like try to make my homies more tougher, you know, because like, hey, you guys got to have my back, I got yours.

And that's just, that's, that's just something we just did, you know. Or like, well, we'll just go body shots, body punches, you know, right, and just fight each other. So that's kind of my background, bro, to be honest with you. And, and yeah, man, I just, I just, I just carried that into the, into the gym when I first went.

I remember the first gym you went to, it's called—

it was called Tap Out in downtown LA. Okay, at the time I think that's, um, I was training with Eddie Bravo and, and he had moved in 10th last. So that's when I first, when I first started, I wanted to box.

And I remember the Tapout Gym very well. Yeah, yeah, that was great gym. Yeah.

And I remember when I first started going there, I was working construction. I was, I was working on a high-rise in downtown LA and And I would, um, pass by every day. I'm like, man, I want to go in there, you know. But I never like would go in there. I'll just pass by and I'll get home and talk to my baby mom like, man, there's this gym called Tapout, I really want to go, you know. She's like, oh yeah. But I was talking about all the time, but I never had like— I don't know, you know, it's kind of nervous. It's kind of nervous going walking into a gym for the first time and you don't know like what to expect or— but I was just a fan. And so I walked, actually, the way I got started was it was our anniversary. And as a gift, she gave me a gym membership. And then I went to the gym and the coaches were like, yo, dude, like, who is this guy, you know? But when I first went there, I was like so raw and just so like street fighting experience, but I had power.

I had some power and, um, you know, I just fell in love with it. And the coaches were like, even the days I wouldn't show up, because in the beginning of it I was still like, still had that knucklehead mentality. I'll still be out partying with my friends or not show up to the gym, and coaches will actually call me like, yo, where, where are you at? You should need to be in the gym, you need to be training. So I guess what, what helped me in the beginning was my, actually my coaches like really noticing that I had like a talent, you know, I had potential. And I just obsessed with it, man, and fell in love with the whole training experience. And I remember my first time trying jiu-jitsu, it was a skinny fucking skinny dorky looking dude like, hey, you need to come train jiu-jitsu, man, come train. I was like, nah, because I remember right before I watched it, I was like, oh man, wrestling is gay, dude. I think, dude, wrestling is gay. Nobody trying to watch that, you know? And then obviously, like, you go through that experience, so like, all right, so the skinny dude is like, come on, man, just try it out.

I bet you can't, you know, I bet you I could make you tap or whatever. Like, nah, nah, he went, strangled me, you know? I'm like, oh, hell no. I hate losing, bro. So I was like— and there's, there's two different kinds of people. There's people that will get their ass whooped and just like, nah, this ain't for me. Or you get your ass whooped, you're like, I would never want that to happen again, you know. So I would show up every day determined, like, one day I'm gonna— one day I'm gonna win, one day I'm gonna get him, one day I'm gonna get him. And that honestly kept me— kept me in the game, you know.

It's amazing how little tiny dudes can fuck you up, dude.

That's the last thing I expected.

I was like, what? Jiu-jitsu is the only thing that, like, you know, in martial arts movies there was always this myth that the little guy can fuck up all the bigger guys. Yeah, with striking, that's hard. Power's real, size is real, mass is real. Yeah, there's just too, you know, too many variables. If a guy knows how to throw a good one-two, you might be fucked. He hits you in the clinch, you can't get away from his clinch, he's too strong, he clubs you, you're fucked. Yeah, but jiu-jitsu, man, there's no lucky punches in jiu-jitsu. And that's what's crazy when a little guy just annihilates you. It's so humbling. My first experience, it was a dude who was a purple belt, I was a white belt, and he was my size. I was like, this dude's my size. Like, this isn't that a bigger dude? This is gonna be, you know, competitive. Nah, he just raped me. Just did whatever the fuck he wanted to do to me. Armbarred me, triangled me. And I remember leaving going, I am so delusional. I had this idea in my head, you know, that I knew how to fight.

And then until I started doing jiu-jitsu, I was like, I don't know anything. I'm helpless. Like, completely helpless. Yeah, but you know, like you the, the smart thing to do, like what you did, is just go, I want to learn that, you know. And you having the courage to do that, you know, especially as a guy who didn't have any martial arts experience at all, just like throw yourself into it, it's very difficult to do, man. And especially at 25. Yeah, because by 25, like, Jon Jones had already been a UFC champion and defended it multiple times, you know. It's like, by the time you're starting out So many guys are like in the middle of their career. Yeah. Meditieren, Yoga, Joggen. Nichts entspannt mich. Echt? Mich entspannt meine Steuer total. Steuer? Wie Finanzamt? Die Steuererklärung? Ja, ich habe ganz locker über 1.000 € zurückbekommen. Hast du geheime Connections? Nö, nur die WiesoSteuer App. Wow. Und das ist einfach? Klar, die macht fast alles automatisch. Plötzlich fühle ich mich so entspannt.

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So that's one thing that I've always thought about and why I work so hard is like, I feel like I have to catch up to these dudes that have been doing this their whole life. You know, like dudes have been in the gym since they were kids doing karate and boxing.

You know, there is a thing though about having a lot of street fights. There's a mental edge to being in a lot of conflict and a lot of combat. One thing I've always noticed about you when you fight, you're very calm. Like, when you get in there, you're very relaxed.

Yeah.

Like, and it's like life experience. Yeah, that's a factor.

Yeah, I just feel like in an MMA fight, it's, it's a safe environment. Like, believe it or not, to me it's safe, right? You know, cuz I've been in, I've been in— because if anything goes wrong, the ref's right there like, alright, there, that's it. It's done, you know, it's a fair fight, you know. Uh, I've been in situations where I don't know if I'm gonna live, right? You know, if I don't survive this, I might die. Yeah, you know, and, and I think that I carry that a lot, you know, while I fight. And that's why I look so calm, because, um, I've been— I'm calm in hectic sit—

like, yeah, it's not the worst thing you've experienced. That's not— for a lot of fighters, it's the most dangerous thing they've ever experienced. Yeah, they step into that octagon, they close that door, and they're looking across this octagon and another trained killer like, oh boy, this is the scariest thing that's ever happened to them. Yeah, so there's a mental benefit that you have for having all those street fights. And even though you didn't start until late, man, the mental game might be most of fighting, you know?

Yeah, man, when I step in there, I'm just I'm just happy to be there, you know? Like, I, I'm lucky to be out here. I'm lucky to have my freedom. I'm lucky to be alive, you know? So when I'm, when I'm walking out to a fight, like, I just feel, I just feel happy, dude. I'm just, I'm just, it's just happy happiness, like, you know? Because while I'm backstage, I'm like thinking, how did I get here, dude? You know, like, I'm just, how the fuck did I do this? How did I make it this far, you know?

Right.

And, you know, like a situation like, like this, like where I'm fresh out of, fresh out of jail, you know, and, and I'm like, dude, like, main event in Serbia against a guy from Serbia is crazy, bro. But you know what, just live, live that shit, man. I like, I told myself like, dude, this is your opportunity to, to tell, like, to Like, this shit's a movie, bro. Like, my life is crazy.

It is a movie if you think about it. I mean, very few people live that life. In jail many times, locked up in Mexico for 8 months, never knowing if you're gonna get out. Next thing you know, you're headlining a UFC card.

Yeah, man, sitting here, main event. Yeah, sitting here on the Joe Rogan Experience, you know, telling my story.

It's just, you know, where's Uros Medic ranked? Is he above you?

He's number 13. What are you at?

15. Yeah, so both of you guys top contenders.

I'm surprised throughout that whole process they kept me in the rankings.

Well, good respect to them, you know. Also, they probably realized you were probably working out in jail. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, well, it's not— you shouldn't be punished for something like that. You get stuck in a crazy situation. Yeah, man, especially if you're coming from California where weed's legal. Everybody gets confused. You know, you have that weed in California. Everybody is everywhere. It's totally legal.

That's why it didn't even— I know, didn't even cross my mind. Didn't even cross my mind. Yeah, we can get in trouble for this.

That's crazy. Yeah, I would have never known those laws because I heard that it was decriminalized. I thought, oh, they don't— they got other shit to worry about. They're, you know, they got cartel problems and fentanyl problems. They don't give a fuck if you bring in weed.

Yeah, well, now, now I have a part of, of the process of me getting out is like I had to get like— now I have dual citizenship in Mexico.

Now you do? Yeah, because of getting out.

No, no, um, my lawyers, um, it was a part of me getting out. So like when you pulled up the, um, the, the, uh, decriminalized the laws for— yeah, the laws for citizens. So that That was a process of—

oh, so you became a citizen so the law was less for you? Yeah, that's hilarious.

So it was a ton of stuff that we had to do, man.

Oh, that is a crazy loophole.

Yeah, yeah.

So now people are asking, damn, everybody should become a citizen of Mexico.

Yeah, man, I ain't ever going back to Mexico. I'm not going back for a while, bro. I cannot see myself either. I don't even want to go back. So, um, especially since I released the footage of me working out in prison and stuff. Like, I don't ever want to go to Mexico and for any reason they're like, get his ass, you know, bring it back.

Yeah, yeah. And they probably would too. Yeah, at the very least try to get more money out of you.

Definitely.

Especially after headlining a UFC card. Yeah.

And on top of that, like, like, um, like releasing that footage was like Definitely like a no-no. But since—

how did you— did they all have cell phones inside?

Yeah, so we had, we had cell phones.

Yeah, so were you texting your friends? You could text your lawyer, all that shit?

Yeah.

Did you worry that your text would be intercepted?

No, no, not at all, because I would text everybody or call everybody on WhatsApp, and I guess, yeah, it's encrypted. Yeah, it's encrypted.

And so when you're doing all this and filming all this, you just save the footage, and then when you got out No, I would, I would send it.

I would send it to like my friends. So I, I sent it to, to one of my buddies and I was like, yo, save all this stuff because when I get out, this is gonna, this is gonna be, it's gonna be big, bro, you know.

Well, I'm glad they didn't release it before you got out. Yeah, yeah, you gotta really trust your friends because that could have been fucked. Yeah, man.

And the whole time, like, no one knew what— no one knew where I was at, knowing what was going on. And there was a couple rumors going around that I was backpacking in Peru. Another One was one of my buddies, like, it's crazy how the internet believes anything, bro. Mm-hmm. Like, there's people thought I was building wells in Rwanda. Like, one of my buddies said that. He's like, oh, he's building wells in Rwanda doing God's work. And like, people ran with that. Like, hey, actually people, when I got released, right away they were like, oh, Kevin Holland bailed him out. Kevin Holland bailed him out to get a rematch, and people believe that.

That's hilarious. That's so funny. It must have been so weird. So when you're inside, did you— did they have the internet? Would they— could they watch fights?

Yeah, yeah, actually. So they ended up putting like these cell phone like scramblers, like these towers that like mess up the signal. And we ended up getting, uh, what's that, that, uh, Tesla thing, Starlink? We ended up getting Starlink.

You got Starlink? Yeah. Oh my God, that's insane.

Yeah, we ended up getting Starlink and had Wi-Fi for a little while. And then I remember we ended up losing all that stuff because, um, like every, every once in a while they'd be like, hey, the guards will come like, hey, uh they're gonna come do inspections and, you know, so they would like hide everything. And I remember this one time they hid everything and they're like, oh, we're not gonna give back to you guys. So we ended up that like, I'd say like by the 5th month, that's when like they really started cracking down and stopped bringing us like the extra food and the food that like the prison food in there, dude, it was, it's the worst. It's terrible, terrible. Um, tortillas, like, with every meal, like 5 tortillas, rice or beans, and like some kind of like soup. But the soup is pretty much— there's no meat in it. It's, it's, um, majority of it's like potatoes and carrots, you know, like—

so your only protein you're getting from beans?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And It was just horrible, dirty, unsanitary.

What's the first thing you ate when you got out?

First thing I ate when I got out was a double western bacon cheeseburger from Carl's Jr. Must have been the best ever. Yeah, man, and I couldn't even finish it because at the time, like, my stomach was so— I got full as hell, man. Like, it was crazy. And, um, man, I was so skinny when I got out, bro. It was crazy. So like this whole time I just been like trying to, to just bulk back up, you know.

So what did you weigh? Did you weigh yourself when you got out?

Uh, when I weighed— I weighed myself when I got out, and I normally walk around, around 200, and I was like around 180, you know. But I looked horrible, bro. Like, I look like I just cut weight. I looked like I was like— I'm sure. Yeah, it was horrible, but it was like I wasn't shredded or nothing. I just had no muscle definition, and it was just— it was bad, bro. And I remember when I first got out, man, I was like thinking like, all right, I tried— like when I got out, I hit the— like I got out ready to just like, all right, I'm getting my life back. I'm gonna train my ass off, bro. I was so out of shape. I was so out of shape, bro. And I was like really discouraged at the time, you know. I was like, dude, I don't know, I think my fucking career is over, dude. I don't know how I'm gonna— how am I gonna come back from this, you know? I was so out of shape.

And that's crazy because you're working out so much in jail.

Yeah, but it was just, um, because of, of the lack of, of nutrition. Yeah, nutrition. I was like so malnourished.

Body was just destroyed.

Yeah, it was horrible, bro. And, uh I almost thought like, dude, I can't do this shit anymore, dude. Like, I'm like, I'm not gonna— I think my career might be over, you know. And, um, I was just in my head about it for a little bit, and then, and then, you know, like, I was like, nah, you know, I'm a fucking soldier, dude. I, I could bounce back from this. And, and, you know, I just, I just really believed that through hard work, you know, I'll get back to, to my old self. And now I'm I feel great, dude.

How long did it take before you started feeling normal?

But, uh, I'm barely starting to feel like 100% now.

Now?

Yeah.

And when did you get out?

Um, it's been almost 2 months.

Wow, that's not a lot of time.

Yeah.

And when is this, uh, the fight is August 1st?

Yeah, it's another—

not 2 months. Yeah, that's good.

Yeah, and I feel, I feel good now.

That's crazy though. It takes you 2 months and then now you're back. You look normal, like physically. Yeah, you look healthy. So it took you that time to just put the weight back on and get your muscle tone back and all that. Yeah, that's a good thing though, that you were always in shape, so you bounce back quicker. You have muscle memory.

Yeah, and actually I've honestly been enjoying the process, this whole process of, of like, when I first got out, I could only run like a mile and I was dying, bro. And through, through each run, I could see my progress. I'm like, okay, I'm getting better. Okay, I'm getting better. And like, I'm in love with it right now. I'm in love with, look, getting better and better and better, 1% every single day, you know. I truly believe, believed that through the work and, and to trust the work that I have ahead of me. And I honestly think that by the time the fight gets here, I'm gonna be perfect peak shape.

That's awesome. Yeah, what a crazy comeback story.

Yeah, you know, yeah, and it's really just like a really deep personal one for me because from what— where— when I first got out to now, it's just like, it's crazy. It's crazy how the body can bounce back and like just get back into shape, you know.

Well, it's crazy, the mind too. I mean, you must be so thankful just every time you're training. Yeah, you might be tired, but man, you must be so thankful that you're out and free, and then you're working towards something big. You know, you got a big fight coming up, and what a blessing.

Yeah, man, and I'm just, I'm just embracing the whole process, you know, and I'm just, you know, I'm all for it. I'm all in. Actually, going to jail and going through all that actually made made me appreciate and value everything that I have going on right now. So, so I'm just like so grateful and so thankful that I even have this opportunity. And I just signed a new contract with the UFC, 6 more fights. Nice. And, and now I'm main event. It's just crazy, dude.

Dude, if you go on to win the title from here, how crazy would that be? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

That would be crazy. And you know, who knows, you beat Metic, you're in the top 13, you're close to the top 10. A few fights later, anything can happen in this sport.

Yeah, and I would even tell dudes like that, like, realistically, bro, like, I can, like, in 4 or 5 fights, go, like, 4 or 5 fights, I could be fighting for the championship, you know, maybe even less.

In this sport, all it takes is a few spectacular results, a few spectacular results, and people get behind you and the crowd gets behind you, and next thing you know—

Yeah, I mean, if I go out there and smoke this guy, and it's gonna be— it's gonna be so much even bigger just because of the whole experience that I went through. And like, man, he got out of jail and just fucking knocked this dude out. And you know, why not? Like, why, why not, bro? You know, why, why can't I be that guy? Like, you hear stories all the time of, of these incredible stories of people that become champions from nothing and been through all kinds of stuff. Like, why not me, bro?

Listen, you never fucking know. You never fucking know. That's the crazy thing about this sport.

Yeah, you know, anything can happen, dude.

Yeah, I mean, you got Makhachev as the title holder, which is, you know, one of the baddest motherfuckers to ever do it. That's part of the problem. Yeah, you know, he's got the opposite life. That's a guy that's been disciplined in training his entire life, you know, it's never, never fucked around. No drugs, no drinking, no nothing, just discipline. Yeah, it's tough sell.

It's different, different levels, man. Yeah, there's different levels to it.

How old are you now?

39. Yeah, yeah. So that's why I got like a couple more years left, man.

So that's why it's crazy while they stole 8 months of like very valuable time.

Yeah, and that's what— that's one thing that— that's one, the number one thing that I was like, man, like I'm running out of time, bro. You know, I don't got— yeah, I don't got a lot of time left, you know. So getting out, and like I said, like, I'm just— I'm just taking it a lot more serious, you know.

I'm sure. Where are you training now?

So right now I'm in— I'm in Vegas training over at, uh, the PI at Extreme. That's great. At Extreme Couture. And right now, and Freestyle MMA, while I'm in Vegas and, uh while I'm in California, I go to Classic Fight Team, uh, training over at Tonori and 10 Planet, you know. So I'm just— but right now, uh, I'm in Vegas right now. So much, so much easier. LA's crazy, dude. I'm on the road when I'm in LA. It's just— I'm on the road all fucking day. LA traffic is just a nightmare. So that's why, like, uh, I'm in Vegas right now. Because everything's so close together and so convenient.

And, and it's also so high level. There's so much high-level training in Vegas. Yeah, and the PI is an amazing resource for fighters, you know, as far as nutrition, cutting weight. I mean, they'll get your meals for you, they get your supplements for you, they make sure that everything is, you know, safe for sport approved, so you don't have to worry about testing positive for anything. Like, the PI is amazing. Yeah, such an incredible resource.

Yeah, right now it's a little bit crazy because, um, they're, they're letting like the Slap Fight guys go there and the Zuffa boxing guys, I think. Yeah, so yeah, those guys are using the Slap Fight guys train. I don't know how they train. Like, how do you, how do you train for that, bro? You know, they do neck workouts.

I don't know, I guess that's it. Yeah, right. The swinging things with your arms. Yeah, you know, I guess like cable machines, like, you know what I'm saying? Like get a cable on your wrist and do this a bunch of times.

Yeah, so they have, um, at the PI they have like this, like this thing that gages your, um, your power and your strike. And those— they use that, they use that all the time.

The power slap guys do. Oh, that's so silly.

Yeah, and, and then also the Zuffa boxing guys are there too, so So it's a little, it's a little bit hectic right now. It's like a lot going on.

Yeah, I could imagine. Yeah, power slap guys, that's a different thing.

I've never been to one of those. I hear you have to go to one to like enjoy it.

You have to be on acid. Yeah, to me it's like, I don't know, man. I feel, I feel like letting someone just swing on you, and the thing is like If you get the first swing, you have a giant advantage. Yeah, the first swing is a crazy advantage.

That's dangerous, bro.

That's—

yeah, just getting, you know, just getting whacked in. Some of these guys, they get knocked out.

Yeah, 100%, man. It's not less powerful than a punch, you know. This is the idea that you're slapping like this. That's not what they're hitting with— the palm of the hand. Yeah, right on your fucking jaw. Yeah, it's super powerful. You can only take so many of those in your whole life, you know, and you're lining up for those.

Yeah, I mean, you can imagine like the nerve damage on your face too.

Well, I mean, look, I'm for whatever you want to do. You want to jump BMX bikes, you want to ride bulls, you want to power slap, have at it. This is America. Have a good time. Yeah, but it seems like at an MMA gym it should be MMA fighters. I don't— I mean, the boxing is probably a good crossover, like you could probably get some good work with some of those guys. Yeah, you know, and then also seeing high-level boxers train is good. It's great for your technique. It's great for just raising the level up in the gym.

Yeah, yeah, now it's, it's, it's really dope. I love, I love the PI, man, and Vegas in general. Like, there's so many killers out there, you know.

It's one of the best places in the world for MMA training. You got Xtreme Couture. Think of how many killers are training out of there. You know, you got— there's so many— you got Syndicate. There's so many places, man. Yeah, it's incredible. So much jiu-jitsu. Robert Drysdale's there. There's so many guys that are there. 10th Planet there. There's so much jiu-jitsu there. There's so much MMA there. I mean, if you're a fighter, it's like one of the best places to live.

Yeah, I remember when I first— when I first went out there, I was in about 2020. I went out, I was on Cowboys camp, and he went out there, and that's when I saw firsthand all the amenities from the PI and like all the whole Vegas experience. And so I decided to move out there. So I lived out there for like 2 years, and I've just been going back and forth ever since.

It's worth living there just for the PI.

Yeah.

You know, and then there's so much Muay Thai there. There's so much everything. There's so much great training there.

Yeah, yeah. There's, there's a ton of, there's a ton of gyms like you said, man.

Yeah.

It might not be, there might not be another city in the country that's like Vegas in that regard.

Yeah.

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Yeah, sometimes I even go to the Andrew Kawane gym. Oh yeah, yeah, Anthony and Chidi, they have their own gym. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, they were with One Kick Nick, right? Yeah, yeah. Fucking crazy town. Yeah, man, training. And again, like, I can't say enough, like, every time I've been to the PI a bunch of times, but when I first went there before they were really open, when they were really getting rolling, I was like, this is incredible. Like, if you're a fighter, you have a place that has all the recovery stuff, all the, like, the high-end, top-notch recovery stuff. Cold plunge, saunas, all the— everything. Like, all physical therapy, supplements. They— when I found out they make food for you, I was like, this is crazy.

Yeah, I love that part. I'm always— I'm always there, you know. You could go there, order whatever you want, you know, and like, sure. Steak and steak and rice, you know.

Yeah, well, they just want you to be healthy, which makes sense. Just, it's so smart that they did that. When they did that, I was like, what are they doing dumping all this money in that? Who's gonna go there? And then when I went there, I was like, oh, I get it. They went all out. They went all out. And it's just, if you want your fighters to be at the very best to compete in the UFC, what better way than provide the best world-class facility on earth?

Yeah.

And then to put it right there in Vegas. And now they have a bunch of them, right? They have one in Mexico, they have one, and I think they have one in Singapore. Yeah, they have a bunch of them. It's awesome. So smart. Such a smart move to do. You know what would have been crazy? If you were on the White House card.

You got really— Dude, that's gonna be major, dude. That's crazy.

It's gonna be major. I wish it was inside, but it is gonna be crazy. It's so funny watching people lose their mind over it. You know, in all sorts of different ways. Yeah. Lose their mind over it because they hate the political situation in this country. Lose their mind over it because they feel like it's a waste of money. Why they spending so much money? This country's in debt. We got problems. Why are we having a fight? And then other people are like, fuck yeah, you know? I mean, there's no more American thing than having a UFC fight on the White House lawn. It's so American. Yeah, it's so Trump. It's so crazy. You know, a UFC fight on the White House lawn is bananas.

Yeah, man, even The fight card is amazing as well.

Fight card's incredible. The only thing that bothers me is that it's outside. Yeah, these guys are— they're fighting for world titles. I mean, Ilia Topuria might be— is not just one of the best right now, he might be one of the best that ever did it. It's very possible that he goes down in history as the all-timer. I mean, he's, he's so good. And for him to have to defend his title, the world title, outside with bugs and humidity and heat, I Yeah, you gotta take into account the weather.

Oh yeah, whole different environment.

It could rain, it could thunderstorm, who fucking knows. It's DC, it's the East Coast in the middle of the summer. I mean, it's, it's crazy to have a fight outside in June in DC.

Yeah, I've fought outside before. It's, it's definitely a different, different vibe, different energy.

Where'd you fight outside?

I fought outside for Combate Americas. It was somewhere in Arizona, and it was a nighttime—

that's Campbell McLaren's organization. Yeah, yeah, love that dude.

I've also fought in the summer in the daytime, and I had a fair. Oh my god, yeah, it was like California, in California.

What was the temperature?

It was hot as hell, dude. The mat was hot as hell. It was like at a fair in the middle of the summer.

Oh, that sucks. The mat That's hot. Yeah, think of that. Yeah, dude, was it canvas or was it like matte?

I think it was matte.

Oh Jesus.

Yeah, it was.

It wasn't— so not just that, but it gets slippery as fuck too then.

Yeah, dude, it was hot as hell, bro.

Did you ever see King of the Cage Wet and Wild? You ever see that? No. King of the Cage put on a fight in the middle of a rainstorm and just let people fight. Just like, I think they just said, look, you know, if you want to fight, you get paid. This is it. It's gonna rain out and we're gonna have to fight because it was outside. Yeah, so this is back when California did not have MMA. It was illegal, but it was legal on Indian reservations. So we would go to these Indian reservations for King of the Cage. So, so back when Eddie— I think Eddie was the commentator at that event, I'm not sure, but he was one of the main commentators at King of the Cage. And my friend Bud, who's my neighbor back in California, I actually sold him my old house real good friend of mine, he was one of the owners of King of the Cage, and they were just putting on these events in fucking these Indian reservations when it was totally illegal in California. So we would just drive to the Indian reservations and watch. And one of them, it poured.

I mean, it was outside, the whole thing was outside. They just set up a cage outside and it's fucking pouring, dude. And these guys are slipping all over the place, and it's crazy. They're fighting with wrestling shoes on. And it was just— some of them did at least, and it's fucking ridiculous. Like, there's no way you should fight like this.

Yeah, my, my— actually, actually, my pro debut was for King of the Cage outside on the Indian Reservation.

What year was this?

I want to say 20— 2017, maybe.

Oh, so they were still doing them outside even then?

Yeah.

Wow.

At a Saboba Casino.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's where we went. Yeah, see if you can find the King of the Cage footage for Wet n Wild. It was One of the craziest events I've ever seen in my life. I'm just— imagine you're basically fighting on ice. You're slipping all over the place. Everybody's sliding. This is it. Look, they're trying to mop down the cage in between the fights. It's ridiculous. Like, what are you gonna do? You're not gonna dry it out. I don't know why they were trying to do this, but they were trying to at least give them some sort of, like, not sopping wet environment.

Dude, that must have been so hard to fight on. Oh, look at— they're slipping.

Oh, they're slipping all over the place. At least they had wrestling shoes on, because I don't remember what year this was.

The ref with the poncho is kind of funny.

I know, it's crazy. All the officials have ponchos. I mean, it's fucking pouring right now. I don't remember what year it was.

It's— I think it said it right there. 2001, I think.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. So that— I think that's illegal days. I'm 99% sure that's the illegal days. Of course it is, because they're wearing shoes. But it was, the whole event was just insane. And imagine like trying to get a submission on someone who's literally soaking wet.

Yeah, dude.

I mean, it's impossible. It's so crazy. But I mean, these dudes will remember this forever. This event, like everybody was there. Look at, you see the rake?

Oh, it's pouring.

I mean, why are they bothering like sweeping the water off? You're not gonna dry it out. And look at his feet, man. His feet are sliding all over the place with wrestling shoes on.

It's crazy.

In a situation like that, you're almost like better off like immediately going to the ground. But even then, like, how are you gonna even get a choke? People are— everyone would slide out of everything. It's like fighting someone who's oiled up. Look at him just drying him off. That's crazy.

Yeah. Yeah, but this—

the White House one, I just, I just hope it doesn't rain. I hope they figure out a way to kill the bugs too. I've been investigating online. There's a bunch of different machines that they sell for like outdoor events, and these, they kill every bug within like a mile radius. They set these things up and all the bugs just go to it and get zapped, and at the end of it they dump it out. There's like a fucking, like a big bag of bugs. So if they set a bunch of those up around the perimeter, maybe they can at least minimize the amount of bugs that are out there, because you have, in the DC area, you have a lot of gnats. Imagine fighting and you got a gnat in your eye. You're in the middle of moving around, something goes in your mouth. You know?

Yeah. Is there a lot of them out there?

Oh yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's moist. That's the thing about DC. It's humid. That's a humid environment, especially in the summer. And Jamie and I checked, was it 100 degrees there?

It's current. I mean, we're getting closer to the dates. The forecast is getting better. It's currently set to be a high of 85, low of 60.

69 is nice.

No rain and, well, isolated thunderstorms the 2 days before. Oh, but that doesn't— I mean, who knows what that—

that doesn't mean anything by the time it gets to June. Yeah. And what is it, June 11th? What is it?

So it's on the 14th, 14th, 12th, and 13th. Both have isolated thunderstorms.

12th and 13th, and it's on the 14th. Oh, fuck.

And the one on Friday, it says considerable cloudiness and fog after midnight. I think the be over by then, probably.

But well, the fights are Sunday, right?

No, I'm just saying like that means at night it's getting—

yeah, well, the thing is, if it's the low 69, that's nice. So if it cools off by the time the main event starts, or the last few fights, but the first few guys that get after it, they're gonna probably be fighting in the daytime.

Yeah, you know, you never know. They might just spray some chemtrails and change the weather, you know.

Yeah, they might. You never know. Oh, if anyone always going to do it. It's Trump. Do you see the thing that he posted? He's got like this whole drone army on the roof of the ballroom now.

Oh no.

So, you know, they built—

what's up, Jim? Well, it's not done yet.

Oh, it's not? No. Oh, well, he should— posted pictures of the AI.

Yeah, well, no, I mean, it's just a rendering.

Oh, that's all it is? Oh, how far along is the ballroom?

I think they're pretty far. I'm gonna show you the picture that they posted, but it's not— it's like a rendering of what it will look like.

Oh, that's fake?

Yeah.

Okay. Why would you tell people what you're gonna do?

Well, you're gonna be able to see that. It's like they can't hide it.

That's not what I saw. I saw one that looked like it was during the daytime.

Yeah, drones.

But obviously that's— yeah, that's what I saw. That's the one I saw. So that's what it's gonna look like.

Yeah, drones are crazy, man. Bro, drones fight wars.

And guns flying around on the top, all controlled by AI.

That's crazy.

What could go wrong?

War is a whole nother thing these days.

Yeah, yeah, it's spooky. You ever seen some of that footage from Ukraine? Yeah, drones just flying around bombing dudes, just bombing dudes, just dropping down on guys and exploding, and there's fucking hundreds of those videos now. You get one of those Instagram algorithms where you watch a couple of them, and then next thing you know, they're getting recommended to you over and over.

Yeah, dude, that's crazy. Um, you know, one day I'm talking, talking about something with my buddy, next thing you know, it's all over my phone, my feed.

I know, that's crazy. It's weird. We're just accepting the fact that our phone's listening to us all the time. Yeah, you know what I got trapped in recently? Algorithm of schizophrenic people. Oh, what does that mean, dude? It's all crazy people that like— one guy's like, hi, I'm Joseph Wilson, I am the legitimate President of the United States due to constitutional— you know, like crazy stuff, like crazy people. This one lady, this one lady is crazy. She's like, I forget what famous actor she was saying, they're trying to kidnap me and put shit in my vagina. And like, she's just completely insane. And every day it's like some new accusation. Someone's after her, someone's tapping their phone, someone's communicating with her through her ceiling fan. Like, yeah, just— but I don't know how Instagram knows that these people are schizophrenic and keep sending me schizophrenic people over and over and over again. Because I know, right?

Well, you're— if you're watching them, you're— I think she wants you to keep watching.

I understand, but how does it know who's schizophrenic?

It must— there's got to be— there's internal tags on every post.

Right, but isn't that nuts?

I don't know how it's— But it— Yeah, how schizo got in there.

But it is—

Or whatever the word is it's using.

Yeah, I don't know what the word is, but it knows these people are fucked up. So it's sending me all these crazy people, like completely insane people. One lady who thinks everybody's a man. She thinks Rosa Parks secretly a man. Everyone's secretly a man. She's like pointing out like collarbones. Look at them, look at— this is a man. Kim Kardashian's a man. Everybody's a man. It's fucking nuts, man. And it's just schizophrenic people. And I'm like, okay, so Instagram must know these people are schizophrenic because they're all like— I'm telling you, it's like 3 out of 10 videos Instagram recommends me are people that are completely crazy. So it must know these people are crazy and it's just sending them my way.

Yeah, same for me, dude. I was talking to my buddies I don't know, something about like sardines or something. Next thing you know, I'm like looking at my phone like, dude, what the hell is all this shit about sardines? Back to back, it's crazy, bro.

It's creepy how the ads target you.

Yeah, which means brainwashing me into— pretty much me to buying sardines.

Well, it's like, how much is it listening? Did you see that post? I'll send it to you, Jamie, that Kim Dotcom posted about Palantir. Yeah, did you see that?

It's from February where they got hacked, apparently, maybe.

Is that what it is?

Yeah, that's what it said. We probably saw the same one.

Yeah, I'm sure. Um, it's very recently that I saw it. I didn't check the date on it though. I could send it to you.

Yeah, I got it. Um, I think it's good. Um, yeah, it's from February 16th.

Yes, that's it. That's the one.

It's not showing up right here though.

Let me send it to you.

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, the thing I just had was like a Russian website.

Click this, no problems. Definitely. There's another one like Brittany Greiner, that poor lady. Oh yeah, she did 9 months. They wanted to put her away forever. Yeah, they were— they have to like exchange like some Russian arms dealer, a merchant of death, guys responsible for thousands of people being dead. So this is from Kim.com. Palantir was allegedly attacked, uh, hacked rather. An AI agent was used to gain superuser access, and here's what the hackers allegedly found: Peter Thiel and Alice Karp commit mass surveillance of world leaders and titans of industry on a mass scale, massive scale. They have thousands of hours of transcribed and searchable conversations of Donald Trump, JD Vance, and Elon Musk. They have backdoored the devices, cars, and jets of world leaders and accumulated the biggest archive of blackmail material. Palantir is creating nuclear and bioweapon capabilities for Ukraine and is working closely with the CIA to defeat Russia. They believe they're one year away. They plan to achieve this by keeping Russia busy with meaningless peace negotiations. Palantir is responsible for the majority of Palestinian deaths in Gaza. They've developed the AI targeting for Israel. Palantir is an arm of the CIA, and all data from international clients is copied into a So the problem is this is like alleged.

Is there community notes on this at all? No.

Really? Just Kurt Metzger.

Hahaha.

He's the number one post. When can we see these hacked materials though? What are the hackers doing with it? If they aren't exposing the whole thing, then fuck 'em.

Yeah, they only— he—

How's there no community notes on it?

He posts a lot of things that sometimes are true and sometimes are not true.

Yeah.

Predictions.

Do you know his background? Do you know the story behind that guy?

Me, or—

Yeah. In general, yeah. So his back— I first found out about him a long time ago. He's a very wealthy guy, he lives in New Zealand, and he ran a site. Was it, uh—

It's like Super Upload, or—

Yeah, like one of those uploads. Mega Upload?

Yeah, I think that's what it was.

Was that it? Yeah. And they targeted him because they said that people were uploading things that were copyrighted material, and I think they were trying to— they were trying to— they were trying to get him out of the country.

Extradited on— I think they still wanted to come back. Yeah, fraud charges related. It's on the screen to Megaupload. He denies wrongdoing.

Hughes— US authorities are pursuing a vendetta against him on behalf of politically influential Hollywood studios. 2018, New Zealand Court of Appeal upheld the lower court's ruling. Dotcom appealed to the Supreme Court of New Zealand, which ruled in 2020 that Dotcom could be extradited to the United States, but that he could challenge the decision through judicial review. His extradition order was eventually signed on August of 2024. He's remained free in New Zealand while continuing to pursue judicial review of his extradition order. He launched another, he launched another cloud storage service called Mega, although he severed all in 2013, severed all ties with the service in 2015. He also started and funded the Internet Party. The party contested in the 2014 New Zealand general election under an electoral alliance with the Mana movement and contested the 2017 general election independently but failed to win any seats at either election. He, um, was a famous guy in the early days of the internet. Did you ever see those videos that he made, like these cartoons?

Yeah, I'm trying to remember some things that I remember. I don't—

yeah, yeah, there was like cartoons that he did where he was like killing dictators in the cartoons. What did he call it?

Internet Party, Moment of Truth, Extradition.

See if you can find Kim Dotcom early animated videos.

Big on the Seth Rich conspiracy here.

He should be. The Seth Rich one is wild. The Seth Rich one is one of the ones where I just— I don't understand why anybody isn't think that that's crazy. This guy gets assassinated after he supposedly gave WikiLeaks all sorts of inside information on the Democratic Party about how they kept people out of the election, how they were running things, and then he winds up getting whacked. And they're like, no, it was a robbery attempt at 3 in the morning. They left his watch, they left his wallet, they left everything, his phone. They just killed him. See if you can find his videos. He has some crazy videos. I want to say these are from like the '90s, like late '90s or early 2000s. He was— that he— I don't remember, I don't even know what he was doing, but he was very wealthy. He had this crazy house, his hot wife, and he Show videos of it and shit, and I think this guy's just been persecuted because of that site that he had, and he's fucked now. They just keep going after him. I don't know if he's right about this Palantir stuff, so I probably shouldn't have been saying it, but, but you do know that like in worst-case scenario, a gigantic corporation could have the power to surveil everyone all the time.

Everyone's online. Yeah. I mean, they can, they can see you now with Wi-Fi. They know where you are in a building at any given time with the Wi-Fi in the building.

Oh, that's crazy.

Crazy. They use Wi-Fi and they can get a literal image of you walking around your house. They know where you are at any given time because of the Wi-Fi. So if they tap into your Wi-Fi, they know where you are. This boom, this targeted strike.

And yeah, Upper right bedroom.

It's in the drone after you. It's crazy. It's really nuts, man, because this is— this wasn't— here it is.

This is from like— this is some old internet stuff. This is a Flash. Yeah, '90s Flash video.

Yeah, this is it. Give me some volume.

I'm surprised that even has sound. It's gonna be a very crude sound.

Yeah, this is what he did. I remember this. So this was the '90s. So this is the same guy. It's a very interesting guy. He's getting in a boat.

Yeah, it's called Kim— Kimball Special Agent. I mean, this is— yeah, it was made in the '90s. This is 30 years ago. He's, you know, screwing around with internet graphics and Catches the helicopter.

He lands on the ground. He's standing on top of Microsoft. What is he doing? Oh, there's Bill Gates. Boy, people hated Bill Gates even back then. No, no, no, please don't shoot me. That's crazy. It's assassinating Bill Gates. What the fuck? It's so weird. Oh, he didn't kill him, just wrote Linux around him.

So he got in trouble for these?

Nah, no, no, not really. I mean, I think people just thought those were silly. He got in trouble for that mega upload site. So this— the way it used to work is, you remember— do you remember Napster? Yeah, right. So Napster worked where you could take songs, you could upload them, and anybody could download these songs. The way Megaupload worked, and a lot of these upload sites, is you could take a film and you could turn it into a digital file. And say you take like Avatar, turn it into a digital file and upload it, and people could then download it and watch it on their home entertainment system through the internet. Just download the file, plug an HDMI cord from a computer into the TV, and boom, you're watching movies. Yeah, and you don't have to pay anything. And the thing was, it's like all this stuff was copyrighted material. And I think his argument was like, yeah, but I'm not uploading it, I'm just— I'm hosting this service. And they're like, well, this service is used to do illegal things, so you're in trouble. So it's like, I don't know what the argument is there.

I don't know who's right. Do you understand it, Jamie?

Yeah, you explained it, but I mean, it's a— most people would go like, copyright law, American copyright law only matters in America.

I don't know if that's the argument he was making, but that's true too, right? Because he's in New Zealand and this site was hosted in Hong Kong.

Mm-hmm. Yes, on January 20th, 2012, they seized more than $300 million of his Hong Kong money, $40 million in American money.

Damn, son.

Um, he denied any wrongdoing.

I wonder how he's earning money now. I wonder if they took all his money, or—

I mean, he did— they did— that— I just looked it up. Mega is like a cloud service website now. I don't know if he owns it or runs it. Um, he's trying to do cryptocurrency stuff. I'm sure he was big into Bitcoin when it started. He's probably doing okay.

Yeah, I don't know what the story is, but I'm kind of rooting for him.

He's a fun character online.

Oh, he's very fun online. I don't know if he's right about the Palantir stuff, but forget about Palantir. We know that what's happening now in terms of you talking into your phone about sardines and then your phone showing you ads, like, there's— they're definitely listening to something. Grok said it's unverified as of February. Oh, so this was Grok. Commented on it. Kim.com's claims about a Palantir hack and, uh, related allegations remain unverified. Major outlets like Reuters, BBC, and New York Times show no coverage. Palantir's site has no statements. Some sources echo the post, but no independent evidence confirms it. Right, but you got to think, if you know a dude who's deeply connected into the hacker world, it's that guy, right?

Like Yeah, I think he's the most public one.

Yeah, he'd be the guy that would know some shit. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, if it's not Palantir, and I'm not accusing Palantir of anything, but there's got to be at least one point in time there's gonna be a corporation that has the power to do those things, and that's what's going on with all this surveillance shit that people are missing.

I'm sure, I'm sure there already is. You know, they're already doing that, you know. Yeah, I mean, 100%.

If I was an evil person running some hackers, a corporation, I would do it. Some— especially if I thought it was right. Yeah, doing the right thing.

I can imagine, like, China probably has. Of course.

Yeah, 100%.

Also, I forgot what I was reading, that, um, someone got arrested. I think like, uh, some government official or something got arrested and admitted to being a spy. Oh yeah, China.

Well, yeah, well, there was a mayor in California, in Arcadia, California. Yeah, yeah, spy for China. She was a fucking mayor. Yeah, the mayor of a city was working for China.

Yeah, and admitted it. Yeah, it's crazy.

Oh, China's playing a long game. They infiltrate universities, they give money to universities, they fund programs, They give money to research labs. They sell cell phone towers at a discounted rate to the military, and these dumb motherfuckers put them around where their military bases are. Yeah, yeah, I've had guys that are, you know, CIA guys on the podcast tell me about that, how dangerous it is that they've— they bought farmland all around these military bases. China has. Yeah, what's up? Do you say something? I thought you said something. Yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy that they are even allowed to do that. Like, you imagine you, you're in conflict with another country and they buy land right next to your house. You're like, hey, yeah, what are you doing? Forget about your house, a fucking military base. Anybody buying any land around a military base should be thoroughly vetted. It should be— there should be different laws if you want to buy land around a military base. It should be like, no, you know, yeah, background check for sure. Not just background check, like, you should be American citizen, eh, and you should have like a legitimate verifiable reason for owning this this land, like you're a farmer or you can put fucking windmills up there, whatever you're gonna do, it should make sense.

It shouldn't be like all you have to do is have the money and you could buy land right next to a military base. Yeah, where they're doing who knows what.

Yeah, and you know, China has like some of the top, top, you know, some of the, the, like, you never know what they're watching.

Yeah, the technology, their technology is off the charts. They're, their drone technology is beyond ours. And they, they have like crazy drone displays where they have enormous dragons. Oh yeah, they fly them over the sky, like thousands and thousands of drones, and they make a dancing dragon in the sky. Like, whoa. So they're all coordinated with some sort of a computer program, and they all work autonomously. It's nuts, man. Like, their tech—

not—

their cars are insane. China's cars They have electronic or electric cars that are beyond anything we have here in America. Yeah. And they can't sell them here, which I think is kind of crazy. I think that's kind of fucked. It's kind of— I mean, I guess we're in competition with China, but like, it should be survival of the fittest when it comes to cars. Like, if you're making the best fucking cars and you happen to be in China, they should be over here, right? You know?

Yeah.

I mean, it would suck if I was Ford and these Chinese cars were way better than anything that we're making here, but everybody that I've talked to, and I've talked to some guys that work for major automobile organizations, and they went over to China and they're like, oh my God, we're fucked. Like, these cars are insane.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, just Tesla alone, and I know it's not China, but I mean, those cars are insane.

Yeah, they're pretty dope, but they make them here and they make them in China too. They made a lot— they were making a lot of them in China during the pandemic because the pandemic didn't really close things down in China the way it closed things down here. But they're— they have electric cars now that have like these insane suspensions. They go 0 to 60 in 1.5 seconds. They're nuts. Yeah, they— there's this dude that I follow online, God, what's his name? Forest Auto Reviews. I'm trying to remember, but he does these quick reviews and somehow or another he always gets these Chinese cars.

I'll find his name because, you know, you know, but I was I mean, I don't think this is his channel, but I'm looking at the Xiaomi SU7. I can find his video if you want me to.

Yeah, these cars are nuts, man.

Looks like a Tesla, but—

oh, that's the dude.

It is?

Yeah. What is his channel?

This isn't his channel, I don't think.

Somebody else uploaded it?

Maybe. I don't know.

Maybe, maybe somebody else uploaded it. I think it's the same guy. Let me find it. I think, I think it's Forest Auto Review. No, that's not him. He's not that guy. Hold on. This guy. Yes, Forrest Jones. That's it. So he keeps finding— he keeps reviewing these, uh, just good. Scroll down for his videos. Go to his video section.

I'm not— if you search, you can just narrow it down more, but Uh, didn't really work. One year ago, Tesla minivan or China minivans.

They have some crazy shit. Find, find a good one.

I don't know if it's electric, it's just a luxury car though.

Yeah, this is it. This is electric. Look, look at these things, they're nuts.

And a Huawei sound system with this gorgeous speaker. I also get two wireless charging pads with a fan to keep them cool. I have this gorgeous drive mode selector. I have cup holders right in here, and I have a dash cam that can I can do this. Oh, that's crazy.

You also take selfies for the blicky.

A big one. I have built-in fragrances that slot in right here. If I push this button, I have more storage space, and I can do this. If I push the button on the side of my seat, that'll fold down my armrest. My seats are heated, ventilated, and massaging. I have an area right down here for my phone. I have built-in sunscreen shades. If I push this button, my cup holder comes out, and I can do this.

This is $37,000 and these cars are not available in the US.

I want to watch a movie.

That one's $37,000.

Is that one?

I don't know.

No, maybe I'm looking at the wrong video. That sounds like it would cost more than $37,000. It says luxury cars. What car is that? Does it say?

Didn't say.

Doesn't say in the description. No description has been added to this video. See, go over to the beginning, see what it says.

Inside I get a moonroof, pillows in my headrest, these heated, ventilated, and massage seats.

I get a passenger screen, a main Yeah, so they're doing wild shit over in China with technology, and they have full surveillance on their population. You can't say shit over there.

Yeah, they have like facial recognition. Oh yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah, you can't step out of line at all. They'll make you turn you into a handbag. Don't fuck around over there. Yeah, you know, they have— do you know that bodies exhibit? Do you know what that is? Yeah, Dead Bodies Exhibit.

I think there's one in Vegas.

Exactly. They get their bodies, most of them, from China. And they're— yeah, they're, they're called like Chinese— I think it's undeclared bodies. So like, if you die within a certain amount of time, if someone doesn't claim your body— unclaimed bodies— if someone doesn't claim your body within like 30 days, they just can turn you into a statue. Wow. Well, here's the problem with that. In order to do this process where they turn you into a statue, it has to take place within 48 hours of your death. So there's no way they're waiting a month.

Yeah.

So they have to start this process like pretty soon after you die. And they have this process called plastination, and they take the bodies and they basically strip all the fat from the body and they turn it into this plasticized statue of all your muscles and tendons and ligaments. And so you're out there like playing basketball, and like you could see like the rib cage and all the ligaments. That was a dude that was probably tweeting the wrong thing, or he worked for a company and he fucked up, or he was banging someone's wife, or he was doing something, and they turned this dude into a statue, and now he's at the Luxor in Vegas playing golf. Yeah, for real. We looked into it. It's— there's not, not just me saying this. There's a bunch of stories online about these different bodies and how they've found ones with bullet holes in them. They found one of them is crazy. So this lady was having an affair with a mayor in this town in China, and she was an online or television broadcaster. She was like a news lady or something like that. And she was having an affair with the mayor.

The wife finds out about it. The lady goes missing. She gets scrubbed from the internet. Turns out the lady was pregnant. She was 8 months pregnant. She goes missing. Then all of a sudden, this pregnant lady appears at the bodies exhibit with the baby inside of her. Same exact size, same features, everything as this lady. The wife of the mayor who she was having an affair with, the wife, was the manager of the plastination factory where they turn everybody into statues. Damn.

Damn. And these bodies, there's no skin on them?

No skin. Now it gets even crazier. Years later, she gets arrested for killing another person. She gets arrested for poisoning some English businessman. And then it goes to trial. Well, the person who stood trial for her, the person who stood, was not her. There's pictures of the lady on the stand. It's a different lady. So she must have paid someone off to get convicted and go to jail, like paid their family off or something like that, and she got free. So this is all alleged, by the way. Yeah, all alleged. But the— you could see the video, or the, the body is still exhibited, the body of the pregnant lady. So there's a pregnant lady and you see a cross-section of her stomach where she's like holding on to her stomach and you see the fetus inside of her stomach. So we're supposed to believe that this undiscovered body, this unclaimed body of a pregnant lady with, uh, an 8-month-old fetus inside of her body, that they find it and then somehow or another they know it's cool so you can just turn it into a statue. But you have to do that within 48 hours of someone's death.

But no one claimed it, which takes a month. None of it makes any sense. Yeah, the whole thing is nuts. Some of them are people that like, I'm gonna die, I want to donate my body to this exhibit. Okay, if you're crazy and that's what you want to do, that's cool. But that's not all those people. Some of those people are— it's very sketchy circumstances. Yeah, see if you can find that image of them.

I wonder how often or how many, how many times that happened. Like, cuz wouldn't— like the, the pregnant body, like they never investigated it?

Family wanted to— the family wanted to investigate. Exactly, they were trying to do that, but they wouldn't let him do it. These people have like obviously have immense power. If she got someone, allegedly got someone to stand in line—

and this is like in China, this is in China.

So look at this. This is the baby, pregnant woman and the fetus inside of her. And so the family looked at the face and they're like, Jesus Christ, oh, someone stole the fetus.

Oh, also I was digging, there's another scandal that happened in 2024 with a bunch of corpses in China too.

Well, there's a video or this— where this investigative reporter— this investigative reporter visited one of these plastination factories and there was bodies that were laying down. There's a video of it. You could watch the video. These bodies are laying down, they have sheets over their head and they have their arms tied behind their back and the sheets are bloody. So it looks like they all got whacked and they're all at this plant getting ready to be turned into a fucking statue. It's creepy as shit, man.

This body was— they just stole the fetus. Two women in LA stole it.

Two women, just 20 years ago. They probably stuffed it inside of their belly like, yeah, I'm pregnant.

Um, yeah, there's another—

probably on my Instagram algorithm right now.

There's another scandal they have where over 4,000 bodies were in a scheme, a corpse scheme, they said. Oh my God, they were being sold. They— people, families thought their body, their family member was being cremated, was not. They were being sold into— I was trying to find out what they were using.

That's a lot of bodies.

Jesus Christ, using them for bone grafting. Oh, so, uh, allogeneic bone graft products.

Oh, that's another thing one of these schizophrenic ladies was telling me, and that is true, that, uh, a lot of these women are getting fat that's taken from cadavers. So they take fat from cadavers and then they inject that fat in their ass to give them a BBL. Like, no bullshit. And Whitney Cummings— I told— I sent it to Whitney. She's like, oh my god, it's literal dead ass. Because that's what it is. I mean, it's dead tissue. You're taking a dead person's fat and they're stuffing it in their ass. Cadaver fat transfer utilizing processed human donor fat—

whoo—

has become a major emerging alternative to traditional autologous fat transfers like traditional Brazilian butt lifts or BBLs and synthetic implants. How does it work? Instead of harvesting fat from your own body via liposuction, surgeons use donated human fat harvested via Authorized tissue banks, allegedly. The fat is rigorously screened, sterilized, and processed to remove all the donor's DNA cells and genetic material. What remains is a structural clumpy butter— so hot! Clumpy butter ass is so hot! Matrix of collagen proteins and growth factors. When injected into the body, this matrix provides immediate volume and also acts as a biological scaffold hold that encourages your own natural tissue to integrate and grow into it.

Yeah, that's gross, bro. Deadass.

Actual deadass. And women are doing this.

How—

see if you can find a video of them doing it.

I was thinking like, how do you—

you don't want to?

They call it kobe filler.

Oh, it's so nasty. That's so nasty. How bad you just do some squats, you lazy bitch. Yeah, but that's— people like a real ass anyway. The ass and the legs, it has to match, folks. Yeah, it has to match. Can't fake it. It's like, you ever see those dudes that they don't really have muscles but they get oil injected into their arms?

Yeah, it's just like, it's all weird, weird.

Like, it's almost like an Indian dude. Yeah, I saw this Brazilian dude, he had it on his biceps and his traps, traps, giant traps, giant crazy shoulders, big tits crazy, and he's like flexing and doing all this stuff, but it looks weird because it's your body. It's like it doesn't fit. Yeah, it doesn't fit your body. That's the same thing when a girl gets a crazy fat ass and she's got these toothpick legs because she's lazy. Yeah, like that doesn't fit your legs.

This is—

it looks like you're wearing a diaper. This is crazy. Don't do that.

Yeah, man, dude, commit to the process. Women go to the extreme. I know.

Yeah, well, the thing is, I think if you do just a little bit just a little bit of deadass, maybe it's nice. Yeah, you know, I bet there's girls that have done it, that you go to the right doctor, like this Beverly Hills dude, he's like, I got you, just enough, just gonna plump that sucker up just a little bit, just a little bit, a little bit of deadass, a little bit of just a touch, just a touch of deadass.

That's pretty gross, like for someone to put someone else's clumpy butter in.

It's fucking completely disgusting.

How did your body even react to that, or how to like— not well. Yeah, not well. And then to have all that— take out the DNA and all this other stuff.

What if they don't? What if that's bullshit? What if the DNA is in there? What if you start getting weird memories? You know? Yeah, weird memories from ass tissue, like weird nightmares.

Photos here are rough.

Let's go. Well, pull them up right here.

Oh, elderly male, fresh cadaver, underwent a layered dissection of blah blah.

So they're taking fat from an elderly guy's face, actual dead body.

Whoa, does it matter where the fat comes from?

I guess not. I guess it's just fat. So this is a dead guy and they're peeling. So who sold his body to some fucking laboratory?

Would they do that? Yeah, have the clumpy butter in this.

Look at that in the upper right-hand corner, a whole crazy— like, so this is pre-deadass and post-deadass.

See, that's not bad.

It's not bad, but that lady could have done that with the gym. That lady could have done that. Would you— she didn't go crazy there. That's just a little deadass, just a, just a touch. That probably looks good on the side if you turn it sideways. Is there any photos where they show this video?

There says one shot cost $20 grand.

Let's see that guy. He looks like a demon.

Well, these videos are— that's not even a real shit.

That's a—

uh, follows down here. It falls down a weird, weird path here.

Oh my god.

Yeah, I'm not showing those photos either.

It's disgusting. Oh, so they're just sucking fat out of dead people. I had one of my knees reconstructed with a cadaver graft on my ACLs. I got a— they use an Achilles tendon because the Achilles tendon is thicker and stronger than the actual ACL, and they put it in my right knee. It's never been a problem. Holy— works great.

What? From your own body?

No, no, no, from a dead dude.

Oh, okay.

Oh, what's that?

That says gluteal augmentation. So that's butt, right?

Right.

It says fat grafting. So that would be putting fat into the butt.

Oh, where's that scar? Bro, that scar's gigantic. You can have this.

Got a fork holding it open.

Oh, look how green everything looks in there. Oh, that looks so nasty. It looks like bad cheese. That's disgusting. That looks like, you know, when you go to see like dry, dry-aged meat and you pass by those— yeah, they have the dry-aged meat container. So you're gonna get your fat put in your ass or an implant, but then you have this massive scar.

Oh, here's—

I mean, these pictures are gnarly. That is another head. Look at the ear right there.

So that's where they're getting the fat.

How much fat do you have in your head?

Oh, well, that says temporal augmentation by intermediate fat pad filler injection. So that's someone getting that done to their head.

Maybe it's tightening up the skin.

Yeah, maybe, right? Like a filler.

Oh yeah, there you go. Look, says here.

Oh, she looks good. That actually looks good. So that's from her fat, fat grafting.

I can't show these photos, guys.

Right. Google it. Sorry, folks. Some of it's disgusting. But if you look at like people's face when they get older, that's one of the things that happens is you lose collagen and fat in your face. And that would— does make sense that putting it in would be better. See, that looks like hell. Both of them look like hell. Don't do that. Go to the gym. Yeah, lazy bitch. What is that one to the right of it though? That one to the right? Yeah, like there. So she got a little bit of a bubble butt from that, but again, go to the gym. Yeah, Jesus Christ.

Yeah, look at the rest of the body.

Yeah, go to the gym. This is crazy.

Questionable tattoo.

Yeah, questionable choices. You get dead ass— you get dead people's tissue pumped into your butt so that more people want to fuck you. Like, hey, find Jesus. Go find Jesus. Okay, if you are out there— I don't give a lot of advice, but this is my advice. If you're out there and you're thinking about getting dead people's fat pumped into your ass, you probably need Jesus.

Yeah, yeah, I mean DBLs are kind of going out of style, man.

Yeah, you know, I think people—

naturals are coming back. They should. Naturals are making a comeback.

Yeah, just work out. Like, there's a lot of ladies that had flat butts that they put in the time, they put in the effort, and now you're like, damn, you can do that too. Yeah, anybody can do it. It's just the process. Yeah, people don't like that.

People just want quick results. Exactly.

And they don't want to work for it. They want Ozempic and then they want dead ass. They don't want to lose the weight.

Like a nice combo they could put together.

Now, now they're saying, and then put it back where you want it.

Yeah, Retrutiide. What is that called? Retrutiide. Retrutiide. Retrutiide and DedAss. They should have like a one-stop shop.

Yeah, now they're saying, uh, Ozempic eats up your bones. Oh yeah, yeah, so definitely. So everybody's, everybody's fucked who's been taking it.

Well, it's not just that, it also kills your desire. This is what's weird, like people are falling out of love when they get on Ozempic, like they lose their desire. Really? Yeah. People lose ambition, they lose desire. They also lose addiction. Like people that are addicted to cigarettes, people that are addicted to alcohol and gambling. Apparently Ozempic helps that because you're basically killing desire, like your, your desire to go and smoke a cigarette, your desire to have a drink. Yeah, it's killed by Ozempic.

Yeah. It also changes your whole face, right? Oh yeah. It eats up all your That's probably—

yeah, yeah, that's a problem, especially for ladies as they get older. Like, the more fat you have on your face, the better you look. Like, when your skin gets real thin and starts draping over your bones, you know, that doesn't look healthy. Yeah, looks like a problem.

You like to cut— did you cut weight?

I know. Yeah, it's fucked. It's fucked that that's a part of our society now, and it's just preying on people's lack of discipline and lack of understanding of the benefits of going through a process and achieving a result. Because of all these ladies that wanted to do this, instead, if they just went to a gym, started eating healthy, they would feel better, they would think better, their body would look better, everything would be better, and they wouldn't have to get deadass.

Yeah. Yeah, it's just people being really self-conscious, you know, about themselves. Like, I know a hot hot-ass chicks that I'm like, wait, you take Ozempic? Why? Like, why? Oh, just like a little, you know, I'm like, you don't need it.

You know, I think some women say there's a real benefit to taking a microdose after a certain age. I was watching a video, this lady is talking about how microdosing these GLP-1s is actually beneficial for some women after a certain age because it helps reduce inflammation. It does a bunch of different things to them, but I don't know.

Do you, uh, gain the weight? Like, say if like there's people that are just, I'm just gonna do it, like, like really overweight people, they're just who obviously like have struggle with diet and working out, uh, when, when they get off, do like they gain all the weight back like everything else?

Most likely if it's a psychological issue, the moment you get off of it, that psychological issue is going to return because that like shrinks your stomach something, right? Yeah, well, it does, but it's basically you're starving yourself. Just like when you got out of jail, you barely could eat that double cheeseburger. Yeah, right. It's because your stomach shrank because you weren't eating much. That's kind of the same thing that happens with Ozempic. I mean, what, what happens to them when people say, oh my God, it makes you lose bone mass, it makes you lose muscle mass, right? But so does starving yourself. That's one of the things that happens when people, they go on these crash diets. They go, I'm just, I'm 30 pounds overweight, I'm just not going to eat. Okay, well, your body's gonna find food somewhere, so it's gonna eat itself. And yeah, your body will eat fat, but it's also gonna eat muscle tissue. It's also gonna eat bone tissue. Your body's gonna consume itself to survive, which is crazy. So these things that you're getting, these side effects of like bone loss and muscle loss, that's what would happen if you just stopped eating too.

It's your body doesn't have any nutrients. Just like when you were in jail, you weren't getting any protein, you weren't growing any muscles. Yeah, your body is not getting the nutrients that it needs, so it's just shrinking.

This—

so reditrujide, is how you say it? So that— the difference between this reditrujide— this one is a different one in that this one allows you to have all the weight loss, but you don't lose the muscle loss. It's not the same thing.

I want to show you a picture of what I look like.

Oh yeah, please do.

It's horrible.

You got my number, send it to me and I'll send it to Jamie. All right.

If, um, it's shocking, bro. Holy hell, bro.

If this Redetutide— am I saying it right? Redetrutide? Redetutide? Whatever it is. This one they think is gonna be incredible because this one is going to give you all the fat loss but none of the muscle loss, none of the bone density loss. And I wonder if it's gonna be the same for like desire and whether it's gonna fuck with addictions and all those other things too. Because I was reading this thing where employers are— they're getting upset at people taking GLP-1s because it changes their ambition.

I saw it too. I've been trying to find that article ever since I saw it, and I can't find it. And it's not that it is, but it makes me wonder if it's like, right, propaganda, propaganda against it from the people who are on, like, you know, selling the good stuff now. They don't want them to get replaced.

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Are people working?

Yeah.

Habits change.

Do employ— are there employers who are having a problem with their employees taking GLP-1s because it affects their work? Or ambition. I think what they were saying was ambition. It's making people less ambitious, which kind of makes sense because I think a lot of people, their ambition is probably an addiction. They're probably addicted to kicking ass and doing things. Here it goes. Yes, but the main employer issues with GLP-1s today are cost, coverage, and side effects impacting attendance and productivity, not a clearly documented widespread loss of work ambition.

The same thing, kind of, probably.

Mm, yeah, productivity, sure, if you're not as ambitious. But attendance is— if unless you're injured, you're hurt, that was fine.

My side of show up, you know, it's like I don't even feel like going, right?

Right. So side effects and performance. Common side effects are nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, plus headaches and fatigue can result in comfort increase absenteeism and are tied to workplace performance issues if unmanaged. Legal and HR complexity. Employers must balance cost control with ADA, HIPAA, and nondiscrimination rules when deciding coverage and when asked about employee medication use. Evidence of motivation and ambition. There are anecdotal stories, uh, media and personal accounts of people feeling less driven or shifting life priorities on GLP-1s, but these are not yet backed by large workplace specific studies. So employers are not treating lost ambition as a primary policy issue, but I bet they're thinking about it. Yeah, I bet they're thinking about it. I mean, it makes sense. Did you find it?

I'm having it sent to me right now.

Okay. Yeah. What'd you look like right when you got out?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was crazy, dude. I can't find it right now. I'm having someone send it to me though.

Okay, no worries.

I'm kind of embarrassed to show you, but I got it.

I got it.

Now I've got to see this because if you see me now, I'd be like, holy hell, bro.

Yeah, crazy. Good before and after is great. Yeah, the people that are really brave are the ones that say, I'm gonna get in shape, so here's what I look like right now, and they post that on the internet. Like, whoa, that's, that's crazy. Yeah, but that's also, it's a good way to hold yourself accountable, you know? Yeah, when a bunch of people shit on you, fat shit— like, fat shaming works. I know it's not nice, people don't like it, but when someone calls you a fat fuck and you're like, oh man, I am like— you start thinking and you go to work.

Yeah, you know. Yeah, a little bit of hard work, you know, a little bit of hard work, get it, you know.

Well, listen, if there's a way where massively obese people that are dying can get healthy, and if it's a GLP-1, I'm all for it. But for everybody else, just get to work and you'll, you'll, you'll respect yourself so much better. Like right now, like you, you could look in the mirror and go, damn, I look so much better than I did when I got out of jail. Yeah, cuz you could have stayed looking exactly that same way, right? If you got discouraged when you were saying like, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do this, I have no endurance, I don't know if it's ever gonna come back, a lot of people would have just quit right there. Yeah, and if you quit right there, you wouldn't be able to appreciate the results when you kept going. And that's the, that's the case with everybody that's at a bad place right now. Just go to work, go to work, write it down, go to work, put it together. Yeah.

And yeah, man, I think it just makes you that much like stronger. And like, aside from the work, but like internally, 100%, you know, yeah, you value yourself so much more in health Absolutely, you know, it's also good for your brain and your brain's ability to do tough things.

If you get through something difficult, you realize like, oh, I've been here. But like, the next time some fucked up shit happens to you, like, I've been here before. I know it sucks right now, but I'm gonna just trust this process. Exactly. Keep on truckin'.

So right when I, when I got back to work, I was like, man, I'm in the phase right now where it, it sucks, you know, like waking up sore as hell. I remember the first time I did leg day, I couldn't— I couldn't even fucking walk, dude.

Did you have somebody walking you through it, like how to do it correctly where you don't overdo it in the beginning? Because like, did you work with a trainer or anybody?

Um, yeah, yeah, uh, uh, like over at the PI there. So when we first got started, we obviously didn't want to like— because I was so eager to just get back in shape and And it was, it was tough, you know, but that's like one of the things that, that, uh, like while running, why I like, I, like, I love to run. And it's, it's like one of those things where like a lot of people, they reach to the point where they get tired and then they just stop, you know, that they'll just quit, you know. I'm like, you got to push yourself more and more harder and more harder. Next thing you know, you catch a second wind. And you know, you're jamming. But when I first, first started, I swear, dude, like, I would like— so when I first got out, my oldest son, he wrestles for high school, um, and he was like, oh, you're gonna wrestle? You're gonna wrestle? Because he's like, you know, he knew I was out of shape. I'm like, oh man, he might, he might get me, you know. So in my mind, I'm like, all right, I got one good, one good takedown in me, and Right.

And, and yeah, sure enough, um, we wrestled and then shot for that takedown, got the takedown and got up, and now I'm just like, whoa, whoa. And like, he just ragdolled me after that. You just ragdolled me, man. And then, uh, actually a couple days ago I got back from Vegas and, and I hit him up. I was like, what's up now? You know, like, what's up now? And, and yeah, man, from, from that first that from that first workout to this one, you know, we made it through a whole, a whole workout, you know. So it's such a good feeling because I got really like really discouraged, bro. I'm not even gonna lie. And it was points where I was like, got real emotional. I was like, dude, how am I this tired? Like, this is crazy, you know. And then I just always told myself like, dude, you've made it through so much in your life that you could come back and you can bounce back for this. So that's this whole— this whole process has been like, to me, it's just like a comeback, comeback, comeback story, you know?

Of course. Yeah. And it's just about trusting that process. It's just so hard when you used to be at one point and now you're way, way, way below that, and you got to build back up to get to where you used to be, you know? But yeah, that's It's kind of a blessing. There's a blessing in that because you realize like after it's over, it's like, wow, I did it. I did it. I pushed through all that bullshit. I got my body back in shape again. I'm back. Like when you get done with your camp, when you're peaking and on that last week, you're gonna feel so good.

Yeah, man. Honestly, I feel great now. And, and like, I feel like I've, I've done such a great job and, and actually recovering more, doing like a lot more recovery stuff. And I've been, I've been incorporated that so much. And before I should just go, go, and like, now I gotta take the time to recover. And, and, um, I've been, I've been taking this stuff from Regenerate.

Uh, what is that?

Uh, Regenerate is, uh, uh, like, and, and what is it, NAD or something like that? Okay. Yeah, stuff like that.

And so it's NMN, so it's like a precursor to NAD. Yeah, the US provides it.

Yeah.

Okay, so that means it's third-party tested. Regenerate. Hmm. Does that— who, who makes that stuff? Do you know?

I know, I know that they're, they're definitely UFC approved, approved, and like, I think they might even sponsor—

Thorne is the main supplement company that that the UFC uses, right? Yeah, because they're all third-party tested. It's like safe for sport.

Yeah, the— it's TrueShield certified products for professional athletes. And yeah, I started, I started taking that like about 2 fights ago. And yeah, I feel great. I guess it's like NAD, like some kind of anti-aging or something like that.

Yeah. It's, it basically lengthens your telomeres, and it is, it sort of brings your body back to like a level of recovery that it had when it was younger, allegedly. There's a lot of, there's a lot of people that take IV NAD, and they take NAD, and you know, you can get it in the subcutane— what's it called? Subcutaneous? Under the fat injections. They do it that way too.

Yeah.

Yeah, but, um, but I think some of the best ways is actually NMN, that stuff, because it— what it does is it, it's like a precursor and your body just makes more NAD that way. Yeah, I take it. Yeah. Yeah, it works. I take it before I go to bed every night. You know, Andrew Huberman was telling me about it. He was saying it— he noticed that when he really felt like it was working, one of the things that he noticed was that his fingernails were growing quicker. And that's the same thing with me. I texted him the other day. I go, this is crazy, like my fingernails grow way quicker than they used to. I think it's because of that.

Yeah, that's crazy. I just noticed that too. I've been going crazy too.

Yeah, I think it's your body's ability to regenerate, you know, and heal. And like for fighters, like there's nothing more important than your ability to recover from a hard workout so you can get to another one.

Yeah, and I spent a lot of time like in hyperbaric, hyperbaric chamber. And now there's this thing, um, like this PEMF, PMF, PMF, yeah, PMF or something like that. Uh-huh. Uh, and it's like an actual, like a whole bed and just like, right, just kicks up like, like just, um, some like electric, like little pulses. And yeah, I'll be taking naps on that thing. And so some of the stuff I don't even know what it does, and I was like, oh, it's for recovery, I'll do it, you know.

Hyperbaric works, and it works in the same way that NAD and NMN work, in that it lengthens your telomeres. Like, they did this study out of, uh, a university in Israel, I believe it was, where they put people on a protocol of— for 90 days, they did 60 90-minute sessions at a hyperbaric chamber, and they showed that their telomere increase was equal to a 20-year difference in biological age. So it makes your cells younger because you're infusing them with energy, you're infusing them with oxygen. Every time I do it, when I do it for like a series of it, where I get like real consistent with it when I have the time, I always feel better. I'm always like, why don't I do this all the time?

Yeah, yeah, I'm in there like 4 or 5 times a week.

That's huge. That is one of the best things ever for your recovery, especially as you get older, you know, because it makes your body react like a young body does.

You know, yeah, so I'm over here against the racing against the clock, man. So I'm like trying to do everything possible to, for my body just to recover from these hard-ass workouts, you know.

How long was it after you got out before you start sparring again?

I recently just started sparring about 3 weeks ago.

So you gave yourself—

yeah, so what I wanted to do was, was definitely get in shape, gotta get, get in good enough shape to like— because if you go to extreme and you're out of shape, you're gonna, you're gonna get killed. Yeah, they're gonna—

it's gonna be very demoralizing.

Yeah, yeah. So I, I definitely wanted to, to get my, my— get myself in good enough shape. So like this whole time I've been doing like a whole bunch of like weightlifting stuff and, and technical stuff and, and a lot of S&C stuff and, and strength conditioning, just getting your body back in.

Yeah, again.

Yeah. So Just recently I'm like, I feel, I feel, I feel good enough to spar. And yeah, I have pretty hard sparring sessions.

Well, you were a guy that was known for your endurance before, you know. You're not a guy that fatigues in fights very much, you know. So it's like, and you always push a good pace too. So for you to get back to where you used to be and have that same style, like, you have to be in shape first.

Yeah, yeah. I feel like I've been getting, getting ready just to start getting ready, you know? Right, right, right.

Yeah. Do you wish you had more time than August, or do you think it's a good enough time period?

I think it's a good enough time, especially like the way I feel now.

And you have 2 months to go.

Yeah, and I have like another 8, 8 and a half weeks, 8, 9 weeks, something like that.

That's nice. Have you been to Serbia before?

Never been. I've been watching videos of like like, uh, the Serbian crowd, like in basketball. And yeah, it's wild, bro. That shit is crazy. So, so in my mind, that's what I'm— that's what I'm expecting. I'm expecting like to be chanting, and they might be crazy.

Have they had a UFC in Serbia before?

The first one. Whoa, bro, UFC.

We've played those Serbian basketball games a bunch of times.

Here we go.

Outside one. There's an outside one. They got fires and shit. Wait, I don't hear anything.

Yeah, so I had looked— I had looked this up because I'm—

these people, they treat it like war. Yes, the audiences, they chant like they're— like a war is going on. Yeah, in the middle of a basketball game. And you know, all these Serbians that are coming over and dominating in American basketball, well Guess why?

Yeah, yeah, so that's originally why I looked this up a long time ago. And who is it? Nikola Jokic. Jokic is one of the top NBA players. And I was like, when I, when I, when I fanboy over, like, and I love basketball. Basketball is like one of my favorite sports. I always like look into like the background of the basketball player, where he came from. And I had already seen the Serbian basketball crowds. Like, man, I'd be dope to go to like a, a basketball game in Serbia, you know?

Yeah, I'd be careful what I ate and drank, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's going over there to fight their main dude in the main event.

Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, in my mind I'm like, dude, that's, that's crazy, man.

It's like, especially they've never had a fight over there before, never had a UFC over there. I'm not accusing the Serbians of doing— I'm It might be a few unscrupulous gamblers, a few people. Yeah, so look at this.

Look at—

here we go. This is a basketball game. I mean, they got war drums. They got war drums. They're pounding. Bro, this is Viking shit.

Yeah, I love it. So this is what I'm expecting when I go.

I love it, I love it. I want to go see a basketball game.

Especially fighting their guy.

Oh yeah, it's gonna be nuts. Yeah, for sure. But it's gonna be exciting. It's gonna be so weird for you just to— when they shut that cage, like, oh my God, I'm back. Yeah, I was in jail in Mexico.

I was in a different kind of cage.

Yeah, like a way less preferable Yeah, wild, man. What a crazy fucking story.

You know, yeah, man, and I get to, you know, tell the whole— keep the story going, you know, make it even— make it even better.

Yeah, does it— does it piss you off? Because like you had so much momentum after beating Kevin Holland, like that was a big victory for you.

Yeah, it couldn't have happened at a worse time, man.

I know. Because Kevin's a tough guy and a tricky guy. And that was a welterweight fight, right? Yeah. And fighting him at welterweight, that's where he's at his best, you know. Kevin at welterweight is really— that's where he belongs. Yeah. For you to beat him, that's huge.

Yeah, dude.

And, uh, he's such a tricky guy too, man.

Yeah, it was an amazing fight, dude. It was. I hadn't, I hadn't been— I, I think, I don't think I've had a fight like that in my career where so, so much going on. I was almost Yeah, I dropped him in the second, you know, I was blew my fucking gas tank trying to finish him. And then come the third round, he drops me and almost finishes me, and I bounce back and then end up on top. It's like this, these are, those are the fights that I train for, bro. In my mind, that's what I'm training for, you know? It's like, and it couldn't have worked out. It couldn't. That fight was amazing. I had, that's my third time being scheduled to fight him. And finally, finally happened, and it was an amazing fight. It was everything I expected it to be. And I expect this fight to be an absolute war as well, you know. Dude, dude's a, you know, he's got a couple knockouts, come, you know, looks pretty good.

He's a very skillful guy, very skillful guy. Uroš Medić is no joke. He's very good. Yeah, it's gonna be a good fight. Yeah, it's perfect.

Yeah, I'm gonna bring it, you know, I'm sure I'm bringing that. You always do. Yeah.

For that, man, it's gonna be so emotional for you, like, having that moment, like, to realize that you're fully all the way back. Yeah, I can't imagine.

Yeah, man.

What is the craziest shit you saw in jail in Mexico?

The craziest shit I saw in jail in Mexico? Um, I'm not really too crazy, man.

Really? Yeah, I would imagine Tijuana jail is pretty fucking crazy. Was it because you were in sort of a protected area?

No, to be honest with you, the area I was in was kind of like— it's like the VIP section, bro. It's like, right, everybody was like there, like someone with money, or like, you know, well, we paid to be there, you know. I wasn't like very— it wasn't like that protected. It was kind of dangerous in a sense. Where like at night all the cell doors are open, you know, so it's kind of like a little, little dangerous on that.

Sketchy.

Yeah, a little sketchy.

Nobody got killed or anything while you were there?

Not on my— not in my section.

But in other sections of the jail people got killed?

Yeah. Um, how many? In my— since the whole time I was there, like I'd say like 2 or 3. You know, but, um, man, the craziest thing I saw in jail, probably, probably some of this— I bought an ounce of weed.

That was the last thing I would buy if I was in jail for weed.

I bought an ounce of weed.

Were you worried about they're gonna piss test you or anything?

Yeah. No, no. Well, the guards brought it in, so I figured like, oh my God, I might be in trouble for this if the guards are bringing That's crazy.

The guard sold you weed. That is wild. How much is an ounce of weed in Mexico?

About $300. It's crazy, bro. You could, you could pay for girls to come in, bro. Really? Yeah, they have like a menu.

Shut the fuck up. Yeah, and you can't get a steak. I feel like, keep the ladies, can you get me a ribeye?

Yeah, dude, we had a, we had a barbecue one time. Yeah, yeah, we had, we had a, a fucking, um, we literally had like a barbecue. It was like, well, not on a grill, but when I first got there, we had like these hot, these hot plates. And, and the leader, uh, would always like do stuff for the whole tier, you know, like he'll always like, oh, today we, you know, like every once in a while, say like once or twice a week maybe Um, nah, not once or twice a week. I said like once or twice maybe, uh, and every couple weeks like we'll get like pizza, like the order pizzas. And really, yeah, dude. And, and, and for like, I think it was like $1,500, the— you could like order a chick, bro, like a thou— like $1,000 bucks or like $1,500, something like that. And they'll put you in the conjugal— in the conjugal rooms some random chick and you could, you know, have your time with her for like 3, 4 hours, something like that.

So you could basically— if you have money and influence, you could kind of do anything in there.

Yeah, I mean, if you got— if you got money, you'll be okay, I guess.

Yeah, as okay as you're gonna be in a Tijuana jail.

Yeah, but I mean, you're still locked in a cell. I mean, we would only go— we'd only get 2 days of yard for 1 and a half You know, an hour and a half, and the whole time I spent it running.

Wow.

Trying to run, trying to keep my cardio up. And it was crazy, dude, because I was like the only dude out there like working out, you know. And honestly, by the time I left, I had everybody like working out, running, or like doing some kind of— like, it was crazy how I my— just me working out and doing like my daily thing just like affected other people, you know, like, sure, yeah. I was like, how— I remember like I would have like— I would come out to on the tier and, um, I'll be like doing, doing workouts with dudes right there, you know. And like I said, there's a couple dudes in there that are some dogs, you know. And, uh, yeah, hopefully, hopefully, I don't know if they do get out, you know.

Can they contact you if they get out? Do you have their information?

Yeah, I'm still in contact with them.

Well, that's cool. Hopefully you can get them set up, man. Did you get the picture in?

Oh my God, yeah, I'll send it to you right now.

Send it to me. I'll send it to Jamie. The world needs to see this.

Wow.

Is it crazy looking at it?

Yeah.

Did you send it? Yeah. Okay, here we go. Waiting for it to come in here.

Oh yeah, man.

So the two— you said a few people got killed. Did you know those people?

No, no, I don't know.

But when— God, this picture is crazy.

Yeah, when, uh, stuff like that happens, like, there's obviously like— you hear— because, because, um, oh, you know what, a lot of dudes were overdosing in there. Really? Yeah, from fentanyl, I think so, bro. A lot of dudes were in there like doing heroin and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That picture is crazy though, huh?

It is crazy.

Yeah, and then like to— it's crazy, dude. It's crazy how I've bounced back from that.

Wow, you look so thin.

Yeah, dude, just malnourishment at its finest, bro. Oh my God.

Yeah, you look like a dude who's just getting out of prison. That's what you look like.

Yeah, so that's the first—

what do you got, a burrito there?

Uh, some tacos. So that's like right after I had the burger. I only took like 2 bites of those tacos. Like, yo, I'm full.

I'm imagining your stomach must have been super shrunk. But yeah, you could see where you lost all your muscle mass.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to bounce back from that and to be, to, you know, be in decent shape right now.

And how many guys died of overdose while you're there?

About 3 or 4 of them.

Damn. So you could kind of get anything you want really in jail. Yeah, any kind of drug. Could you get steroids?

I don't think so. I try to get protein.

Protein powder?

Yeah, yeah, some protein powder, but we never— it was never able to happen.

That's crazy. They get you heroin, no problem. Yeah, protein powder, it's kind of an issue. Yeah, that's ridiculous. That's crazy.

Yeah, I had turned my cell into like a little gym, man. I was like just trying to, trying to stay busy, man. I always told myself like, man, there's for some—

this is—

there's got to be some way that this is going to just going to work out for me, you know. And you know, I ended up, I ended up having to, you know, pay a nice amount of money, you know, to get to be here, to be here today. It was a lot, bro.

I'm sure we'll talk about that later, but I'm— listen, I'm glad you got out. You know, I had only heard about it maybe a few months ago. I'd heard about it like, I wanna say 3, 4 months ago, 'cause someone had asked where you were. Like, you know, someone saying, you know who we haven't seen in a while is D-Rod. And then someone said, dude, I heard he's locked up in Tijuana. And I was like, oh no. Like, what the fucking happened? Like, that could be it forever. You hear someone's locked up in a Mexican jail, you're like, shit. That could be it forever. Yeah, never hear from you again.

Yeah, man. Uh, I'm so happy to be out, dude.

I can only imagine. Yeah, I can only imagine. I mean, listen, it's— you don't appreciate the sunshine until you experience a lot of rain. Unfortunately, that's how people operate. You know, you get real accustomed to things being great, and then you don't feel good about it anymore. You need like a little bit of that in your life sometimes, just a little bit of a wake-up call. To let you realize, like, you should be so happy and so thankful that you get to experience this life, especially the way you're experiencing it. I mean, what a dream to go from being a guy who's in and out of jail, fucking up your whole life, to being a top 15 UFC welterweight contender in arguably one of the toughest divisions in the sport, if not the toughest. I mean, the UFC welterweight division is fucking crazy. Yeah, you got Carlos Prates, you got Sean Brady, you got Morales. You know?

Yeah, dude. And before I got arrested, we, we were— I was gonna fight Prates.

Wow.

I would have fought him in Brazil.

Whoo! Yeah, that would have been wild.

Yeah, dude. And yeah, I mean, it's crazy to see like how the division has changed. Mm-hmm. Like right now the top 5 dudes are— it's Ian Garry, Prates, Morales, Makhachev's champion, and it's completely top, completely like different now from, from, from when I, when I got arrested.

Did you see the JDM Protest fight?

No, I wasn't able to see that one.

Protest looks so good. He's, he's so clever. That's a tricky striker, man, and he's so long. So long for the weight class. It's almost like his arms belong to a dude who's 7 feet tall, you know what I mean? Like, his arms and legs are so long. He's so slick.

Yeah, when I, um, when I first got released, um, we were, we were planning to fight Leon Edwards. Yeah, but, um, I think it would have been July 11th, and that would have been way too— it would have been too soon.

You know, but I mean, the August fight's a couple weeks after that, but you know, that's a big factor though, those couple weeks when you're dealing with like your body recovering from what you've been through. That's— August sounds right, July sounds early.

Yeah, yeah. So no, I'm, I'm gonna be ready, bro. I'm gonna be in super good shape, um, and, and I just got— I just trust all the, the work that's ahead of me, all the work that I have lined up, and, and, and all the recovery. And, and just, just, it's like, like, like I said, man, like, just appreciating everything, you know. My, like, my life, bro. I've been out of jail before and no one ever gave a fuck, you know. Like, now I'm out and I have these amazing opportunities, and I'm sitting here talking to you, bro. Well, it's crazy.

And more importantly, you got a big fight coming up, so that's That's very exciting. I'm very happy for you, brother.

Hell yeah, man.

I can't imagine what you went through. I can't imagine what it felt like wondering if you're ever going to get out, you know. And thank God you had the resources and you knew the right people, and yeah, they figured out how to do it and thank God into a Mexican. Yeah, that dual citizenship, that's wild. Yeah, well, I can't wait to hear all about it off air. But, uh, congratulations on getting out. I look forward to your fight. I'm really pumped. I'm really pumped for you. I'm very happy, very happy you're out.

Yeah, man, biggest fight of my life coming up, man. I'm just embracing all the work and just everything, bro. Just everything. I'm loving the whole process.

Well, I can't wait to see the fight, so congratulations. I know the people are rooting for you, so thank you for being here, man.

It's a lot of fun. Thanks for having me, bro. My pleasure.

All right, bye, everybody.