Transcript of #2491 - Brian Simpson New

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No, I just have different pair for different stuff.

Did they get stronger?

No, no, I just have a—

did you always have glasses? Like, do you have an eyeball issue?

Yeah, I got astigmatism. Okay, but I, uh, But I got one, one for driving and one for my computer.

I used to have to use reading glasses.

Oh yeah?

Then I started using red light, red light therapy. And I think that, the first thing I started doing is taking this company Pure Encapsulation has this, it's called Macular Support. It's like a combination of nutrients that help your eyeballs.

Oh.

I don't know how. But I explained it to Huberman. He read it off to me and he's like, this makes sense. But then the big one was red light. I started using red light therapy. I don't need glasses anymore.

What?

Yeah, my gla— my eyes aren't perfect. Like in low light, they're not so good. Like in a dark restaurant, I have to use like the flashlight on my thing to read a menu, but I don't need glasses anymore.

So I was— I've been wondering that. Is it that I'm getting older or are they just using darker light in the restaurant?

They definitely use dark light in restaurants. I don't— I mean, young people can still read it. Like, I've gone to restaurants with my kids and they can read in the dark. I'm like, you can read that? I can't read it. But, um, but like small print, like on my phone, like reading an email, I didn't used to be able to read it and now I can read it perfectly.

Oh, see, now I'm in that age now where I gotta start switching, switching glasses. Different. Yeah, here we go, here we go.

Listen, dude, I'm just happy you're alive.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, you know, man, people don't know what we're talking about.

You had a heart attack?

Yes, I had a heart attack 3 months ago. Yeah, Super Bowl weekend. Yeah, in Atlanta. Yeah, out of nowhere. Well, was it really out of nowhere? Not really. You know, like, because that's not like you were a marathon runner, right?

Right, exactly.

But I, but I I was sitting there, you know, honestly, I was sitting there thinking, 'cause I remember the doctor, 'cause we really are, like, we've set ourselves up, we kind of deal with trauma in a not, I mean, you can argue about whether it's healthy or not, but our first go-to is humor. Right. And I remember the doctor getting upset with me. Like, the surgeon, the lady that was about to, she was about to put a stent, So, you know, I'm sitting there and she was like, hey, something very serious just happened to you, you know, because I was just talking, you know, I was— but it was just how I was just coping, you know. Right, right. She was not happy about it.

Did you tell her that's how I deal with things?

No, I was already all drugged up and shit, you know, because it was one of the things where I think like you can't— they can't put you out completely, like it's not that kind of anesthesia.

Oh, okay.

But they, but I think they need you to be conscious kind of in case something goes wrong.

Right.

But they, but whatever the fuck they put me on, I don't remember any of it.

And you were joking around and she was upset.

Yeah. What happened was when I got to the hospital, the doctor that first saw me was like, I forget his name, but he was like, hey, I'm Doug. And don't, don't worry about anything. I'm gonna be with you the whole time. You know, and then maybe 20 minutes later, you know, they wheeling me in, they drugging me up, and I'm like, hey, where the fuck is Doug? You know, and they're like, who's Doug? I was like, he promised me that he wasn't gonna leave. And obviously I was just joking. I know like he was just saying that so I would calm down or whatever. I don't know why Doug thought he would bring me comfort. But I just, but I fake made a big deal of the fact that I felt abandoned by Doug. And she didn't think it was funny. Oh, but somebody did, and that's all I needed was the laugh. I'm like, it's you, bitch, it's not me. You're the problem. You're too serious in here.

Well, why would she need you to be serious if you're getting a stent put in? Wouldn't that make it work better?

I mean, to be fair, I think my whole life people have said as serious as a heart attack, and I feel like if you dedicated your life to that, you probably a serious person. I don't know any other heart surgeons, but I bet they all pretty uptight.

Yeah, they have to be. It's life or death. With every decision that they make, right?

I guess.

They gotta get it in on time, right? Like, if they're gonna put a stent in you, if they're gonna do something, like, if you're one of those people, like you are, that if you didn't address this, you would've died.

Right.

So that's one of those things that's time-critical. So I guess with those people, like, hey, stop fucking around. Like, in their mind, like, I gotta save you. I gotta figure out what has to be done within a certain amount of time and get you on the road to recovery, 'cause if I don't, you're dead.

Yeah, you know what, she, something else I remember, and this was just flashes, 'cause I only remember like these couple seconds, is she kept yelling at me because I kept moving my hands. So basically like I'm laid down like this, and they want you to keep, they want you to keep your hands right by your side. And I just remember I kept coming to with her being like, hey, keep your hands, she might've said keep your fucking hands down. I don't know though, I don't know. I ain't gonna make no accusations. But she was clearly upset about it. She was upset, but I'm like, bitch, I'm on drugs you gave me. I'm not doing it on purpose. Apparently my default response, 'cause they have to put a stent in, but they go through your groin. Yikes. So apparently my default response is to protect my dick. Right. Like I'm waking up, somebody's fucking around down there.

Oh.

You know? It's like, why don't y'all tie me down if it's that important? Why don't you tie my hands down?

Right.

But maybe they can't, I don't know. I don't know what else is going on. And medical people are real sensitive about criticism. You know, some of them really like, we save lives, how dare you? And it's like, all right. Yeah. Yeah, some of y'all still assholes though.

Well, they don't have the best sense of humor. They can't. Like, that's not the way you, if you wanna be a really good doctor, you can't be also a stand-up comedian.

Well, see, no, see, the nurses have a sense of humor.

Right, right.

Right.

Nurses are fun.

They might as well be different species.

Yeah, nurses are fun. Like, nurses come in, they joke around with you, they fuck around. Like, some of them do, at least.

Yeah. And, and some of them kill you. Let's be honest, in Atlanta, the nurses were incredibly attractive. Like, really, there was hot nurses everywhere.

Damn.

Like, nurses, and it's something about, like, vet techs, like, working at the one— the ladies working at the vet hospitals. Yeah, it's something about going into that field I don't know what it is.

Vet techs, you mean veterinarians?

Yeah, like veterinarians, yeah. But not the doctors.

Right.

Just the nurses.

Just the nurses. Well, they're people who love animals, sweet people.

Oh yeah, and money. They love animals and money.

Well, the nurses don't usually love money. If they did, they wouldn't get into that profession. But the veterinarian hospital certainly loves money, the administration.

Speaking of which, I can't decide which pisses me off more is like when I get the bill at the, at the human hospital, or when— or because at the vet hospital I feel like they— I feel like they're like they're extorting me, you know? Like when I got the bill from this hospital, I was like, goddamn. But I was in there and they were— because they didn't walk up to me while, like before the surgery and go, what's it going to be, right? But when, but when it's your pet, that's what they do, right? We could do this life-saving thing, which is the best thing to do, but it's way more money than you have. Or, you know, you can be a piece of shit pet owner and get the $20 thing.

Yeah.

Yeah. They, they'll try to get you to take out a loan, all, all that. Just really turn the screws.

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Yeah, I don't know when the last time you had to do some serious shit for your pet.

Pretty recently. Marshall swallowed a bunch of rocks.

Oh, goddamn.

Yeah, he, um, we— someone spilled chicken food on the gravel, and he ate all the chicken food and just kept eating and started eating gravel.

Oh my God.

He's retarded. He's the sweetest boy. He's the sweetest, sweetest dog that's ever walked the face of the earth, but he is not clever. And so, um, we bring him inside. No one knows. No one knows anything that happened. And then he starts throwing up, and he's throwing up rocks, like little pebbles. And then he starts getting diarrhea, and he's diarrhea and pebbles. I'm like, oh no. And then we put two and two together, we figured out what happened. And so then I had to take him to the vet. So I took him to the vet and he had to stay there overnight. And luckily they didn't have to do surgery. They pumped it out of it. They somehow or another got the rocks out of his stomach and they had to keep scanning it to make sure there's no rocks remaining in there. And so he passed all the rocks, either threw them up or shit them out. And then within a certain amount of time, I think he was there for He was there for at least 24 hours, but after a certain amount of time he started eating and then they weren't worried about him anymore.

That dog fucking eats. He just, all he wants to do is eat. He gets so excited.

Oh yeah.

All he wants to do, his favorite thing is eat.

He's like, I want every morsel of flavor out this dirt.

It's so crazy, he kept eating rocks. I mean, he ate pounds of gravel. It wasn't like a small amount of gravel. It was the amount of gravel that was in my living room on the carpet was crazy.

Oh wow.

Out of throw up and just diarrhea. It was everywhere. It was, it was a crime scene.

I bet you he won't do that shit again.

Oh yeah, he will. He will. He'll do it tomorrow. Dude, that dog doesn't learn shit. He's the best. Like, he's a sweet dog. I love him so much. I love him so much. He's just all love. Every time I see him, he's just wagging his tail. I get down on the ground with him. He kisses me. I hug him. I rub his belly. He's the best. But he is not— that used to be a wolf. That's what's so fucked up about human beings. We took something that's the most clever most— they communicate with each other, they plan traps on animals. They're so clever, you can't— and also, you can't train them. You know that about wolves? You can't train them. That's why you don't see wolves in the fucking circus. You cannot train— you could train a bear, you could train a lion, you could train a tiger. Wolves just go, fuck you, I'm gonna do exactly what I want to do. But not dogs. Certainly not my dog. Like, Marshall, he's the sweetest. Like, he was so easy to train.

See, that's wild, because you can train a lion, but you can't train a house cat.

Can't train a— well, you could train house cats to do certain things. Like, some people have trained their house cat to shit in the toilet.

Nah, Joe, there's a video of like— I wanna see, she's Russian. This Russian lady, she's like the world champion cat training lady. And she's getting these cats to do a whole bunch of shit, but every now and then—

They do what they want.

They just do what the fuck they want.

Yeah, that's true. You can't get them to do it like, like a really good dog will, like a Belgian Malinois. That's an soldier.

Absolutely, absolutely.

Just does every task you ask him to. That's impossible.

Absolutely not.

But with wolves, you can't train them to do anything. They won't listen.

I didn't know that.

They don't listen to you at all. I had a friend who had wolves. He had like 7-8 timber wolves, and they got out and killed a bunch of his neighbor's sheep. They like— you couldn't stop them from doing anything they wanted to do, whatever they wanted to do.

Why did he have a pack of wolves?

He's an idiot. He had 3 of them. I was like, you don't have these dogs, you just feed them. You don't, this is not like a dog. No. They don't listen to you, and you have a house with a yard. Like, that's crazy. Like, you should have like an enormous piece of land, and even then, if you have wolves, they're gonna kill everything they run across.

Yeah, they need miles of space.

Yeah, they're cardio machines. They run through the mountains, they chase down moose.

That's why I get so irritated 'cause I'm in apartments now. And I'm in one of those, I don't know what the fuck is going on with my building, but it's full of dog people. Like the building is for dog people. There's a dog wash, all of the grass around it is all fake, and there's fucking shit bags every 10 feet. And the front of the building, from like noon to 4:00 PM, it always just the strongest scent of dog piss because 50 people have walked their dogs around it. And that's fine, I don't mind that at all. But what irritates me is when I see— because I know I have the biggest apartment in the building, and I know that I don't have room for— like, I, I don't have the room for like a, uh, like a blue— like a Blue Heeler, right? And it's like, you see motherfuckers with dogs like that, was like, yo, you— that dog needs to be running miles every day. Why do you got that big-ass dog? Oh yeah, I see it. I saw a damn I saw a Cane Corso.

Mm-hmm, that's crazy.

It's like, you got a Cane Corso in a 1,300-square-foot apartment? That's crazy.

That's crazy.

And here's the other thing, I don't see that motherfucker every day. So you skipping days? This motherfucker needs to hurt things or—

He needs to have exercise. That's like having an MMA fighter living in your house. Like, you better take him to the fucking gym.

Oh yeah, because people always—

He's gotta blow off steam.

When people find out that I have a cat, they always like, oh, so your apartment smells like a cat. No, no, but you know whose places always smell bad? It's people that have a dog that's too fucking big to be in the place.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's—

Also, they probably can't wash it right. Like, what are you gonna do? Do you get in the shower with it? I used to get in the shower with my dogs. I bring Marshall to a groomer, but my dog Johnny, he used to love to get in the shower with me. Really? Yeah, he was a big mastiff and he loved it because it was just massages and love in the shower. I just cover him with shampoo and I would talk nice to him. I go, "Oh, we're getting so clean, buddy." He'd give me kisses.

"Mwah, look at you, we're getting so clean." There's something about seeing their human with no clothes. I think they like— because my cat does it. She loves to come in the bathroom whenever she knows I'm naked or she hears the shower running. She just sit there and watch.

It's probably weird to them that you could take your clothes off.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's weird to them that you wear clothes at all.

Oh, for sure.

They're like, what?

Yeah, what are you doing? Why are you under the sheets all the time?

Yeah. And I don't— I've softened my stance on people that put clothes on their animals, but I'm like, they don't like it.

No, well, some dogs like, um, Chihuahuas in the winter, it's a good idea. Yeah, but what I mean, it's like 30 degrees out, put a little sweater on.

The dog likes it. No, the dog likes that you like it. They like pleasing you, but they don't want clothes on.

They don't, but if you have like a little dog, like a chihuahua for instance, they get really cold. Those guys, if you put a little sweater on them, like they feel better outside.

It just makes sense. Oh yeah, maybe. But okay, then go all the way then. Where the boots at?

I wouldn't wear boots in the summer because like New York City, like the street gets so hot. Yeah. Like if you think about how hot the street gets, if it's 98 degrees outside.

It was like broken glass.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean you're just walking on hot Rocks.

Right, but also what are you doing with that big-ass dog in New York City?

That's true.

There are no apartments. Why you got a Great Dane out here in New York City?

I mean, I would have to make a choice. Like if for some reason I had to move to New York City, I'm not getting rid of my dog. And I'm not leaving my dog here.

You can't get rid of your dog.

No chance. Not a chance in hell. So I would just have to commit to a lifestyle of taking that dog out to like Central Park every day, doing things with him every day. I would have to make a choice Bro, I would have to live near the park for sure.

Like, for me to get rid of my cat, it would have to be like—

They'd have to die.

They'd have to die, or it would have to be something where like, I am absolutely not capable of, you know, like I can't move. Right. Or something crazy like that. Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, when I moved out here from Cali, like, she can't fly.

Oh, so did you drive her across the country?

I paid somebody to.

Oh, there you go.

Oh, me, that would be a fuck— Actually, I didn't have a car at the time. But that would be a nightmare. This is the most stubborn, like this creature, like I have a hard time getting her, I've taken her to 3 groomers, they all been like, "You gotta come get her." Ah. You gotta come get her. 'Cause she doesn't like to be restrained in any way. Yeah, and at the slightest sign that you're thinking about holding her down or putting her in something, she will fight with everything she got.

Is she a feral cat?

No, well, she might've been. —Which, get her. —I got her. The story the lady told me, it doesn't really add up, but basically, she was, a divorce happened. This family had 2 cats and a dog. And then the wife got the house and started fostering animals. And then my cat's brother, so her and her brother were the original cats. My cat's brother started, basically like joined this pack of cats against, 'cause Millie don't socialize at all. But her brother kinda turned on her. Game of Thrones. Yeah, and so since then she was just hostile with everybody. Wow. All the animals, I mean. And so when I came to get her, all these animals were in this lady's house except Millie. She was in the garage. And they had a little post, and she was in the garage. And when I came to take her, she was so down to go. She was like, fuck all them people, fuck my brother, fuck this. But she likes you.

Oh yeah, she loves me.

She's still to this day, she follows me from room to room.

Oh, well, that's sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she also— cats to just choose one person too.

She also hates me too. So she hates you? I think she hates—

she probably had bad experiences.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's just— she's got some kind of trauma that I'll never know about.

You got to give her some kitty cat ayahuasca, bro.

I've had to— I've had to put her on— on CBD and shit before we go to the vet.

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She loves it.

What is it so weird? What does cat— it works on every cat. I've never seen a cat where it doesn't work on. Imagine, I mean, if there's shit like that for people.

Oh yeah, you just give someone—

we got plenty of shit like that, but I don't know if it gets them high. I don't know what it's doing to them. To them? Well, let's find out. I really have no idea what the mechanism of, um, let's put this into Perplexity.

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Oh shit, you only supposed to give a pinch? I don't know. That's what they say down there.

Only a pinch. Oh, here it goes. Because of this, people typically offer just a pinch of dried or fresh.

How much do you give your cat, bro? I done fucked her world. Oh my God.

You give her a fat bag. You give her a fat bag. I just let her go at it, man.

You know what's funny, man? My cat is very like— I let her do what she wants, you know? Like, I let her— she, she gets— she can go outside. Like, you know, she's not, she's not an outdoor cat, but if she want to go out, I open the door. I— because I make— you know what it is? I make sure outside is not some, some mystery place that she— when she— if she want to go, I open the door and let her go. And then after she get cold or hear something and smell and run back in the house. Because that way she's not like just dying to go out there. Right, right, right. I'm not worried about her running away.

I worry about coyotes, man. When you let cats out, man, coyotes are fucking everything. They target your house. They know where the cats are. They know the cats that get let out.

Yeah, but, but it's like nothing comes near my building because it just smells like just all— it smells like 50 dogs live there.

Yeah, but they eat dogs too. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah, my daughter's puppy got eaten by a coyote in California. Guy was training it and he left the puppy outside and it got eaten by coyotes.

Bro, I haven't seen no coyotes. Oh, I've seen 'em. Also, but here's the other thing too, my girl is, you know, she takes zero chances. The slightest sign of danger and she already got— Meow! No, she got 50 spots to hide and run. Oh, okay. Like she's never gotten into it with anything.

The thing about coyotes is they have it in, they're predators, right? And cats, are predators too, but pets are different than wild animals. Yeah, this bitch ain't no pet.

They're very different. She'll bring a fucking mouse in the house.

Yeah, I mean, they kill stuff. They kill stuff for fun, but there's a difference between that and needing to eat, and needing to like eat cats in order to survive, which is what coyotes do. So coyotes know where the cats are. They know what the smell when cats are peeing outside. So they know a cat lives in the house, they know the cat pees outside, they just hover nearby and wait. 'Cause they know it's a matter of time before the cat has to go outside. You know what's funny, man?

I haven't seen a coyote the whole time I lived in Austin. They'll hide. I think it's been 3 years now.

They hide.

I know, I saw 'em all the time in LA though.

You'll see 'em. They exist. You know what it is?

I think it's that the ones out here aren't starving like the ones in LA were. Right. 'Cause they get bolder and bolder the hungrier they get.

Well, the thing about Austin as opposed to LA is there's a lot of animals and there's a lot of moisture, right? So if you're outside of greater Austin area, like a lot of these coyotes. I see them all the time out where I live because there's a lot of animals where I live. I see like foxes almost every day. I see armadillos a couple times a week. I see deer every day. I always see these, especially when I come home. I see foxes run across the road. There's all kinds of animals. So there's all kinds of things that coyotes eat. A lot of rabbits, all kinds of things coyotes eat. And so they don't have to come into the city, whereas in LA You've got LA and then everything around LA is just barren. You know, it's all dry and fucked up and you might find a rabbit, but it's way easy to eat someone's cat.

And I think, I think that every person doesn't realize how many coyotes are around them. Like, oh yeah, every major city, they're like, they're like raccoons. They're in every city everywhere.

There's a great book on it called Coyote America. Oh yeah, it's really good. And it's all about how coyotes, what happens is when they yell out, they're doing like a roll call. And when they're doing a roll call, they're letting all the other coyotes know that they're there. And when one of them's missing, the female coyotes assume that that coyote's dead, and so their body responds by making a larger litter. What? Yeah, so they'll have more babies if someone's missing.

Damn, death makes them horny?

Well, it makes them have more children. They always have children. They're always horny, right? But they, instead of having 3 pups, they'll have 6. And they spread out because they were persecuted by gray wolves. Like, that's the whole deal. And being gray wolves and red— so coyotes and red wolves mate with each other. That's why you get what they call a coywolf. But it really is— coyote is a wolf. It's a type of wolf, but they're not related to the gray wolves. And gray wolves and coyotes don't mate. So gray wolves, the ones that happen like Colorado and, you know, like Montana, those wolves just eat coyotes. They just kill them. They don't fuck around. They— so there's no chance of becoming allies. So those coyotes learned a long time ago, when they start getting killed by wolves, just spread out, just get the fuck out of there, keep moving. That's why they're in 50 states. They're in every city in the country now, and that wasn't the case when I was a kid. When I was a kid, like, I grew up in Massachusetts, and my high school years, there was no fucking coyotes.

Nobody— I never even heard of anybody seeing a coyote. Yeah, me neither. I never saw a coyote in my life until 1994 in— I remember in LA they have those Oakwood Garden apartments. Mm-hmm. It's like furnished apartments that they had in LA, and I was driving to it. It's like when I first moved there, I didn't have an apartment yet. When I first moved there, I was like, are those fucking dogs? Are these dogs? I'm like, oh shit, those are coyotes. I remember pulling the car over, looking at them like, this is weird. These weird little wolves just wandering around the city.

Like, that's how you know you're seeing a coyote. You're like, is that a dog?

Well, that was the first time, and that was in '94. But by the time, you know, we left in 2020, fucking, they were everywhere. I mean everywhere, like they expanded. And now they're in New York City, they find them in the middle of the fucking park. They find them in the Bronx, they're in abandoned buildings, they're all over the place, they're in Chicago. Coyotes are all over the whole country.

When I was in LA, one of the neighborhoods I lived in, I was in the neighborhood Facebook group, and there was a dude in there, his name was Coyote, the guy's name was Coyote, he just wanted everybody to know that he loved Coyote so much. And he would literally, he would defend coyotes no matter what the fuck they did. Like, somebody would be in the Facebook group, hey, a coyote fucking ate my dog right out of my hands, watch out! And this guy would be like, if anybody here harms that coyote, they have to answer to me, fuck your dog. Oh God. Oh yeah, I think his name was like Coyote Jones or something like that. He was serious. He was real serious. Really into coyotes. He was, you know, everybody got their thing. Wow, they're an interesting animal, man.

That's— it's really interesting in that, that book. It was— it's all about—

you know who's, um, I just saw something about how raccoons are the next animal that, that's being, uh, you know, tamed or domesticated or whatever.

Oh, I believe that.

The ones, the ones in the city are starting to have like shorter snouts and— oh, whoa.

Yeah, they're starting to look more like how wolves became bitch-ass wolves when they came around the fire.

They're basically, they're starting to get cuter, like dogs. The ones closer to us are getting cuter because they know it gets them treated better. Wow. The cuter ones have more babies. The same thing. Wow. I know, and that's crazy, because I read somewhere that we haven't actually domesticated cats, or not. That makes sense.

Maybe domesticated isn't the word, but never got them to the point where we did with dogs.

Exactly. But raccoons are getting there.

That's so interesting because— but it makes sense. Like, did you ever hear about that Russian study they did with foxes? Like how quickly you can domesticate a fox? Oh no, I didn't know that you could do that.

It's really quick.

So you start out with foxes, and any fox that shows any aggress— you start with a bunch of foxes. Any fox that shows any aggression to a person, you kill it on the spot. Oh, bang, dead. Fuck you. Get all the ones that survive or ones that have no aggression towards people, and then slowly their snouts get shorter and their ears start to flop, and over the course of like 10 years, you got a totally different animal. See if you can find that, Jay. Why don't people do that?

I don't—

why don't they? Well, they did do that with this one study, but it was just to show how quick things change, like given natural selection. Like natural selection dictated that if you're a sweeter fox, you live. If you show your teeth, they fucking shoot you in the head, you know? And I'm sure Russian scientists are probably a little bit more hardcore. Or Chinese. Here it is. Dmitry Belov and Lyudmila Trut, the Russian fox domestication program is a long-term experiment in Novosibirsk, Siberia that successfully bred domesticated silver foxes, a form of red fox, selecting specific— specifically for tameness. After over 60 years and dozens of generations, fox act like domesticated elite pets. Displaying dog-like behaviors such as tail wagging, licking, and whining for attention. So you could buy them? Can you buy one of these foxes? That's crazy. See if there's a video. Oh, you get one for $9,000. What? Let's— oh, known for high energy and needing intensive care. Yeah, you don't want that in your fucking 1,300 square foot apartment.

What makes them elite though?

It is interesting, right? What does that mean? Does it look like AI? Let's see. It's— who knows nowadays, right? Oh, look at this. Lay's got a fox as a pet. Oh wow, they're like little dogs. That's crazy, bro. But the thing about foxes are they are like playful in the wild. Even wild foxes are playful with people. Oh, this little guy's missing a foot. Mm. I don't know if those are wild or— the thing is showing foxes. These are just different foxes. I don't think these are those foxes. This is just— right. It's showing the info and then showing a bunch of different foxes. But if you remember Grizzly Man, like that movie, the Werner Herzog movie, so he was living in the middle of Alaska around these bears. And the foxes would come and hang out with him. And the foxes would like hang out in his tent, they would play with him, they stole his hat once and ran away with his hat and he was like chasing them trying to get his hat back.

And the bears don't attack the foxes?

Well, they probably would if they could, but foxes probably can get away. I mean, they probably catch a fox slipping every now and then, but mostly what they were looking for up there was salmon. They were eating a lot of salmon. And when bears get salmon, that's all they want. Like you could— there's a crazy video that we've shown before of this guy and they're on the edge of a river river and the salmon are running, there's all these bears in there that are just like, just gorging on salmon, which is why those coastal bears are so much bigger, like Kodiak bears, like Alaska. The reason why they're so much bigger is because they have access to salmon, they have access to fish and all the other animals that are there too. But when there's a salmon run, that's all they want. They just want to eat salmon.

So you're saying like, if you give salmon to a bear that's never had salmon before, it'll just, that's all it'll want after that?

No, that's not what I'm saying. I wouldn't, I— it's probably delicious. I mean, that's why we like sashimi. But I think it's the access is so easy. They don't have to chase anything. They just stand in the river. It literally comes to them. They just bite it out of the air. You see how bears do that? Oh yeah. And bears are kind of lazy. Like, if they can preserve energy, they will. They just want to get fat for hibernation, right? So they just want to eat as much as possible. So the point is, like, when they're like that and they're just eating fish, you don't have to worry about them. They're not even gonna kill you. So this dude is like sitting there, he's got like a little lawn chair, and this fucking giant bear just walks up beside him and sits down. Like sits down almost like a person. And they're like, "Hey, get outta here. Hey." But I mean, it is as close to him as you are to me. And it might be 1,000 pounds. I mean, this thing is fucking gigantic. And you see the river behind him, so you see all these bears that are just scooping salmon outta the river.

And what is the bear trying to tell him by doing that?

Bear doesn't give a fuck. He just comes to sit down.

Salmon.

Like, you might be a stick or a person, it doesn't matter. It's eating salmon. That's right. Like, watch this. Look at this. Look at this. This dude's just sitting there with his fucking chair and this giant-ass bear just comes next to him. Look at the size of that thing. But it's not interested in him at all. It's not like playing koi. It's not pretending it's not going to kill him. Like, it's— it doesn't care about him. Like, it doesn't think that he's gonna eat it, that's for fuck sure, right? So it's like he's just chilling. Like, that might as well be— look at it, he sits down like a person.

Oh bro, you know what it is about these motherfuckers is how fast they can go from this to terrifying.

Yeah, to 45 miles an hour. But look, it's like, hey, get out of here, and then it walks off. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. It's like, all right, not looking for any trouble, just trying it out. It's amazing that the thing listens to him, but they also amazing that he's not freaked out. I guess he's taking a photo. So in that video you see there's a ton of bears that are just hanging out in that stream. They just lay, and they don't fight with each other either during those situations because they know there's so much salmon, there's enough for everybody. So like, if one of them kills a moose, right, the other ones will come over and try to steal it from them.

Fuck you, that's my moose.

And they'll— because there's only one food source. But on these rivers, there's just constant fish coming out. So they're just grabbing them and eating them, and they're fucking gigantic because of that.

We don't know shit about these animals, man. We know a little, you know. I just saw some shit about Florida. So they, they have a serious snake problem now. Like, uh, I think it's pythons. Yeah, it's pythons.

And, uh, I had a dude on, Python Cowboy. He gave us a head. Where is that head?

You know that it is? Well, yeah. Well, they— so they, they have— they've been trying to catch— so apparently it came from the '80s and the '90s. It was like a big python pet boom.

And it was a research center that got hit by a hurricane, right?

That's what I was about to say. The hurricane came, they released into the wild. Now it's a problem And they tried paying hunters to get them, and they tried training dogs to find them, and nothing is good enough. But then they made robot rabbits. Did you see this? Yeah, they made robot rabbits, and they made them, they put them in these boxes, and they generated fake body heat and the scent of rabbits and everything. And it did attract, it did pull the snakes. But it pulled everything else too. So what ended up happening is the snake's only natural predator was alligators, and the alligators was fucking these things up. And the snakes purposely avoid the alligators. So it ended up having the opposite effect. The snakes stayed away and the alligators were fucking these boxes up. Oh, wow. And it was almost a complete waste. But then one of the nerds, as they were about to shut the whole fucking thing down, he noticed in the data that what they actually found out— so they plugged it into AI, and the AI did this whole fucking map of all the data, because, because apparently before every attack, the, uh, the— those boxes were still like tracking movement and everything was going on.

And they found out that the animals have like highways. So it's not that the snakes were in random places, is that, is that the snakes and the alligators were using these these highways that only they could smell of like the quickest ways to get through the Everglades and stuff like that. And so they were able, so now they just, they know where they are and they know how they get from one part of the swamp to the other. And they didn't, so we learned something. We still don't know what the fuck to do about the pythons.

They use dogs a lot where the dogs find the eggs.

Well, they train these two dogs specifically, but they got to the point where it's like, You know, you just— it's just so much ground to cover. Two dogs ain't gonna do it anyway. So that's the problem with the pythons. I mean, we could wipe them out if we want it. I don't think we can.

Well, the problem is the Everglades are so big.

Well, that's my point, is we can't afford— like, the cost of doing it— we just haven't found a way where we can do it where it doesn't cost just a crazy amount of money.

But you think about all the money they do spend shit on. Like, if they got all this Somali daycare center money back, kill the snakes. Yo, did you see Ilhan Omar? She was reading off of a script. She's the woman who's a congresswoman from Minnesota, from Minneapolis, and she was— she's connected, at least accused of being connected to the Somali daycare center. She's Somali, so she's accused of being connected to this fraud. So she's reading off this script, and you know how people write World War II and they use like II for two? Okay. Yeah, she reads it as World War Eleven.

This is a congressperson. She's a congresswoman.

See if you can find the video, Jamie. It's kind of adorable. It's kind of adorable because I don't think English is her first language already. At least it doesn't sound like it. The last time the Alien Enemies Act was invoked, it was used to detain and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants doing World War 11. Oh, 2. At least she caught it though. I didn't know she caught it. I never saw it. They always cut it off before she caught it.

Well, that's politics, bro. Politics is fucking brutal, man. It's gross. I don't understand why anybody would want to go into it.

But you're mad. How could you say World War 11? Like, you know there haven't been 9 other wars you forgot about.

But I've said way dumber shit than that.

But have you ever read off a written speech?

I mean, oh man, I would almost be— you know what it is? I do on a daily basis, I do things or say things that, like, I'm like, I definitely shouldn't have children, you know? Like, I'm—

well, if you did, they'd make fun of you. I'm too forgetful, stupid shit, and my kids make fun of me. It's normal. Yeah, it's part of being a person to pretend that you don't say stupid shit. But the thing is, like, you and I say stupid shit publicly. Like, we'll say stupid shit on a podcast.

Oh yeah, and sometimes you get paid for it. But I'm talking about stuff that I would be embarrassed to have said publicly. Like World War 11. Yeah, like World War 11. 'Cause I'm telling you, I do shit like that all the time. I have wacky, Tony makes fun of me all the time 'cause he's like, you're like a cartoon character. I have that kind of luck where it's like sometimes I just have those days, man. I wake up, This happened like, remember when I was, so last Tuesday, right? Last Bottom of the Barrel, you walked in the green room and I told you I went to go smell the candle and I didn't know, those jelly roll candles? And it's a bong and I wasn't thinking about it and I went to smell the candle and poured the wax on my clothes right before I got to go off stage. And I was wearing like light pants so it looked like I jizzed on my pants as the wax was drying. And that's why I went home early that day 'cause I was like, It was one of those days I woke up and the day started that way.

I woke up to my CPAP machine crashing on the floor because I rolled over and pulled it off my nightstand. And I get up to go deal with that and I fucking stub my toe. And I'm like, it's gonna be one of these days. It's gonna be one of these fucking days. I'm gonna drop a glass in the kitchen. You know?

So you just said, let's call it a day.

I said, let it be, I call it.

Go home, go right to sleep. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. So you gave up on the day?

No, I still, I mean, I still ended up at the Mothership that night.

But your set was good though.

My set was good, but I took a nap. I napped till the Mothership, 'cause nothing can happen when I'm sleep. I tell them, I'm gonna take a strong— Get a reset. Take this edible, take a strong nap, get to the Mothership, do my sets, leave.

Almost like it's a new day, 'cause you just woke up.

Mm-hmm, but no, but then I spilled the wax on me. Oh. So my brain was like, you don't get to cheat. Interesting.

The idea of good days and bad days based on just like, that's— this is what the world has planned for you today. This is a bad day.

You know what it is, is if I don't get the sunshine, like, I— because I'm a night owl, which kind of sucks, but if either I need to stay up for the sunshine because I got the blackout curtains, but if I, if I wake up late in the day and I don't get no sunshine, I just, I feel dumber.

Yeah, definitely. I do too. Yeah, yeah. When I— if I wake up late, even if I get a good amount of sleep, like more than 5 hours, but if I was up really late at night and then I wake up late, I feel off. 'Cause your whole system's all scrambled. Your system is used to waking up in the morning and going to bed at night. But if you stay up late, like your brain is working on like 40% capacity.

Sometimes I, sometimes I, I, 'cause I'll get, I'm a big gamer. Sometimes I'll get it. And I'm one of those people like if I pay $60 for a game or $70, now it's like $80. But I'm gonna play the fuck out of it. Like, the day it come out, I'm playing it all night.

So you playing online or you playing the game itself?

Both. Both. It depends on— it depends on the game.

What is the games that you like?

Uh, all type of shit.

Like, what's the big one right now?

Right now, the game I'm playing the most is called Deadlock. It's not— it's not available. It's not open, available to the public. It isn't?

No. Dude, you're a developer. I don't get this shit.

No, but you can get— you have to be invited. It's a closed What would they call it, a closed beta or playtest? Oh, okay.

Closed playtest. That's how hardcore you are? You get invited to beta tests?

Oh yeah, I got a bunch of nerdy friends. Wow. Yeah, actually one of my little nerd groups is like, it's through one of the servers at the Mothership. We all game. We on the same Discord. We'll get on there, we'll get on it. 'Cause it's nice to have a group where it's like some new shit come out and we like, yo.

This is Deathlok? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Ooh, this looks cool.

This shit cooler than a motherfucker. Oh wow. But it also will make you mad as shit.

So it's third person, so you look at it in third person. Yeah, it's third person. And you get to pick who you are. Oh, what was that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right now I think there's 34 characters. So look, that's all different people. I know, what is—

there's a lot of information on the screen that just popped up.

Oh yeah, yeah. What's all those, buddy? This is— what are all those things?

This is crazy. I'm gonna fuck this up and a bunch of people— okay, so, so basically, okay. So, so basically, so see, see that bottom, that bottom left number, the green number, 3003? Yeah. Okay, so those are souls, which is just money.

Your monies are souls?

Yeah, in this game, just think of souls as dollars. Okay, so she's got $3,000, and basically, so which— the thing she just left is the, is the, is the lane she was in. And basically, how good, how well you're playing the game, how many kills you get, how many minions you're getting you get more money and the money lets you go buy those items. That's what all those cards are underneath those people. It tells you what everyone's bought. Okay. And since this bitch got the most money, she's bought the most stuff, which makes her stronger. So this game's all about snowball. It's all about getting, getting the money to get stronger faster so you can win. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, and it's like a zip line.

Is she on a zip line here?

Yeah. Yeah. Because if you see the— see on the right-hand side, that's, that's the map. She's— so there's 3 different— there's 3 different lanes you have to control, right? And that big, that big box is like the—

man, this is a lot. Is this like League of Legends but on the ground? Exactly.

Okay, I'm glad you put it like that, but that doesn't help Joe at all. It doesn't help me at all. He's like, thank you. Yeah, okay, so, so, so, so, see, it looks fun. See the yellow side? See the yellow side on the left-hand side of the map? Okay, that first tower is where you start at, and the point is to get stronger get underneath that, destroy it. Then you work down to the second one. That one is a little stronger, it defends itself. That's what she's in front of right now. Mm, okay. And then— They're on teams. Yeah, it's two teams trying to, and you're basically, you're trying to work yourself down to their base and kill the one in their base. Oh, wow.

So you gang, you join up with a team of guys that are playing this online. Yeah, it's 6 on 6.

Oh, wow. But then they just, but here's the thing. This is all very complicated and all this, but they just introduced Brawl Mode. Which is— or Street Brawl, which is basically it knocks it down to 4-on-4. It makes it one lane and it gives you random items so you don't have to do any of the complicated shit. You can just get in and get it.

So you get in, run around, grab something, and beat people up with it. Yeah, like the—

so basically the Brawl mode is just a condensed version of the game where you're just fighting. You're not— you don't have to worry about managing anything.

Boy, that looks like it'd take up a lot of time. Oh, buddy.

Yeah, because here's the thing. This was crazy about shit like that is If you're— if somehow you end up in a game where everyone knows what they're doing and everyone's communicating, one of those games can be over in 25 minutes. But if you're on a— that's probably not going to happen. So it could go anywhere from 25 minutes and not to an hour. I've seen games go an hour. Yeah. So it's like, but most of— if a game is going that long, it's just because it's either because people are playing with you Because it's one of those things where like if you get behind to a certain point, you can't come back. That's the whole point of the game. Oh really? Yeah, it's the whole point of the snowball is like I'm so much stronger than you that there's nothing you can do. It gets to the point where I'm just abusing you.

Okay, it's just because they've collected the most stuff?

Because they just had, they've had the most money for the longest. Oh. And they can just keep buying better and better shit than you and there's nothing you can do about it. But my point is, the point is for you to get to a certain point and just end the game. But some people don't know when that is, you know.

Here's the quick 3-sentence overview of what the game is. It's a futuristic urban fantasy New York. You're gods part of an occult ritual trying to destroy each other.

Yeah, so the backstory is an event happened called the Maelstrom that— There's a whole bunch of lore. Yeah, no, this is just the backstory. It opened up a portal that let magic into the world. And all of these people got all these abilities and powers and stuff like that. Mm. And there's two opposing gods in some other dimension, and they want you to summon them so they can cross over into this realm. Mm. And so they're, so the team you're on is whichever god you're working for. Right. And when you win the game, that's supposed to be you completing the ritual, and if you help complete the ritual, you get a wish. And so, when you, when you go to each character, it tells you their backstory and what they want, what wish they want when they get there. Oh, okay. Yeah. And some people don't want nothing. They just want to fuck people up.

And how long you been playing this game?

It's been probably, I don't know, a year and a half.

So it seems super complicated and like it would dedicate a considerable amount of thinking.

It's very complex. You, cause you don't, you, you don't even know what the fuck you're doing for like the first 200 hours. Like, it takes about 200 hours before you're like, okay, I kind of, I kind of get what's going on.

This is the kind of things that people without kids say.

Oh yeah, that's what I'm saying. I just, I can't, I'm not, I'm definitely, I'm definitely a 43-year-old child. Like, I don't live like an adult. Yeah, no, I live like almost like a frat, like a frat boy or something.

Well, if you could pull it off, those are, when you ask people 'Cause some of the happiest times of their life. Oh yeah, for now. When they were young and free, especially people that don't like what they do, right? People get a job and they don't like it, and then they have responsibilities and they can't leave their job.

Shit, or people that get a wife and don't like her. That happens a lot. That happens too much. Boy, that happens too much.

And a husband you don't like too, both sides.

Oh yeah, that's probably worse.

Well, both of them are bad, but it happens a lot, a lot of people.

Are you gaming one of these, Brian?

Um, that was— that is— dog, that's insane.

That's like— but that seems like how you should be playing a game like this, right?

Yeah, in a dark room. Let's talk.

Yeah, I mean, but the thing is that I don't think that chair is very comfortable. How dare you?

That chair goes upside down. You're laying down, brother. Oh, versions of it you could make, you could customize.

Oh shit, how much? $6,000? So wait a minute, this is zero gravity.

Watch, hit the different images. Look at it, it's like that, Brian.

Oh, that's crazy. That's what I'm talking about. That's great. But what else does it do? Does it massage? Sucks your dick.

I mean, 10 grand mouth comes out, just sucks your dick.

Yeah, I'll take that. Can you piss in that?

Well, it used to be 10 grand. It's on sale.

They have the one that's also like the bed. Have you seen the bed version? The what?

Well, this one— one second. This one does go backwards, right? Show, show a version of it where it's completely reclined.

That's what I was trying You got this shit, don't you, Jamie? No, but he's wanting—

oh, it's a Scorpion. Let me show you something else. Hold on. So that's pretty wicked. And so you can adjust that and you can make the screen right in front of your face.

Yeah, bro, I'm about to skip 4 heart treatments and get that chair.

That was pretty cool too.

Oh, see that? I actually prefer what we're looking at here.

This? Do you? Well, you prefer that to the one that you lie back?

No, because I don't use a controller. The only games I use a controller with is Madden.

So you're a mouse and keyboard guy? Yeah, almost exclusively. That's what I am. A little futon built on.

I never figured out how to use that. No, fuck that futon. Listen, if you gonna get Who's choosing the futon? If you got the money for a good gaming PC, you better not have no futon.

Well, that's— he just went all in on the gaming PC. Yeah, I mean, no choice, no chance of pussy.

My shit's got kind of— it's gotten kind of crazy recently. Yeah. Oh yeah, did I— I never show you. Check this shit out. What you got? Um, hold on, make sure.

Are there any other ones that do it with an even bigger screen like that, that kind of a deal? Like, what is the ultimate setup for like somebody like a Bill Gates?

There's a new, uh, Like the, for the F1 rig we have. Yeah, there's a new screen that's come out that's like a 100, and that's even, I don't know.

So that, that's my shit right there.

Oh, oh, you got a dual monitor setup. Curved monitors. Super ultra wide. That's a problem.

Yeah, it's a problem.

That's a problem. Yeah, it is. Um, I'm gonna send this to me. Send it to me and I'll send it to Jamie. Oh, do you have Jamie's number?

Yeah, I know. I got Jamie's number.

Send it to Jamie. Because that image is crazy. We need to show people that image. That's a problem. If I had that, that'd be a real problem.

Um, Jamie, don't I got your number though?

I do my best writing, like when I get the most done, on my laptop because I don't ever look at anything else on that laptop. The only time I use the internet at all is to check things to like find out if something's real. And even that I don't use anymore because I use Perplexity for that now. I just talk into the phone. But when— if you have that much distraction, like two monitors like that, I would never leave. I would just be playing games all—

it's too fun. It's too much. It's too much sometimes. It is. It is.

And, uh, it's a— they're a fucking problem, man. Games are a problem because they're so good.

You know what it is, man? Is it— it's a— it's a dopamine drip.

Look at that. Look at that setup, bro. What's that thing on the right?

Um, that is for controlling the sound. So, so, so basically like, uh, so say I'm in the— I'm in the chat, I'm in the Discord chat, and, uh, um, and, and I got a YouTube video plan and I'm in the middle of a game. Right, right. Then I don't— I can, I can reach over and turn down the volume of the game so I can hear somebody more clearly, or turn up the music without having to open up anything on my phone.

That's crazy. You are an addict. Yeah. Jamie, you don't have that, do you?

I was gonna show you mine. He's got— I've got way more than that.

Oh yeah, no, yeah, Jamie's out of control.

I have a soundboard play that are connected into mine so I can fuck with people.

Hey, hey, hey, can you, uh, can you blur that top thing?

Because that's got people's names. Yeah, I saw that.

Yeah, but like I can record sound, like live sound when someone's chatting, and I can record their voice and play it back like instantly.

Yeah, that's amazing.

This is me not streaming. I'm gonna start streaming this summer, so I'm gonna have to add a couple of things.

So you're gonna start playing video games and streaming it?

Yeah, yeah, you can make a lot of money. It's easy money too.

It's crazy because you're already gonna play games.

And I know some, I know some people just like, they don't go on the road because they make so much money doing this.

Wow. But the problem is, how long is that gonna last? Going on the road is forever.

Oh yeah, but you can always do that.

Yeah, but you might not have an audience anymore. You have that audience. Oh, that's true. Yeah, they'll be, they'll be still stuck on those videos.

You ever had, um, you ever had T-Pain on here? No. Yeah, T-Pain, he's one of the— like, he don't— he's like, yo, you gotta, you gotta offer me a lot of money because he still goes on the road, but it's like, you gotta pay him because he makes some— he's like, why would I leave Why would I take less money to leave my house?

So he just streams?

He streams, yeah. His setup he's got is fucking crazy. It's insane. Yeah?

He's like, we have one F1 setup, I think he bought 6. He's got his whole studio's in one room. He's got the racing room over here. He's got, I think, probably 4 different rooms for different things.

So—

And he'll game, or he'll have on guests, or he'll just make a song live in front of you.

So it's just his normal live setup he's got. He's got— oh my God, setups. He's got— he's got multiple screens around there. Oh, that's crazy.

So he has a whole room dedicated. Oh yeah. Oh my God. It's all wired together too. So when he's streaming, how is he making money?

Sponsors. I think he's definitely a Twitch partner of some kind.

Okay, so you, you get sponsors and like how much do you think he's making?

Fuck, I couldn't— I don't even— I mean, if I had to speculate, Yeah, speculate. I would say he's probably make— pulling in at least a quarter million a month or something like that. Probably more than that. Just playing video games. Just, just streaming. He only had to play video games. Sometimes he's just talking. That's crazy. Just—

well, there's a lot of that, right? A lot of streamers.

Yeah, that— there's a lot of political streamers.

There's just talk. There's different people that do different things.

There's in— there's— they call them IRL streamers. There's nuisance streamers. Nuisance. Yeah, they just walk around with people, fuck with people.

Yeah, what's this? Simulators, 2 circuit racing simulators, and 1 flight simulator down there. So this is the VR room. Wow. The computer I play on is right here. You step down here. Whoa, it's VR.

We got sensors in the roof. This is the workshop. It was just a utility room, but I'm like, why not put 3D printers in there? This is 3D printer.

As you can see, I took a lot of inspiration from Tron. That's amazing. And he's married though. Yeah, but he's making money. Oh, how's his wife gonna complain? You want to go shopping? Listen, lady, this is how we make the money for you to go shopping. You're right, you're right. You know, I mean, she can't complain if that's what you actually earn money at, you know. My wife used to complain about the podcast before it started making money. Really? Well, she was like, you don't have to do that. I was like, I do, I have to do it. I told people I'd be doing it on Monday at X amount of clock, whatever, whatever time it was. You— but that's just always—

how long until you were like, I could fucking just make money?

Oh, it took years. I didn't even try. I never tried to make any money with it. I always did it for free. I did it for fun.

For how many years? I didn't make money for years.

Oh wow. Zero money for years. I never even thought of it making money. It was just for fun. I would just have everybody come over, like, Segura would come over, Eddie Bravo would come over, Joey would come over, Duncan. We would just talk shit and just have laughs. It was just for fun. We enjoyed the shit out of it. We had a vaporizer, this giant bag. Volcano? Yeah, the volcano. Oh my God, the thing was horrendous.

I remember when them things first came out, they fucked a lot of people's world up.

Fucked a lot of people— fucked our world up. There's a lot of podcasts in the early days that are unlistenable or watchable because we just obliterated.

And I thought it could never get past that. And now they got, you know, then they— then people came up with the dabs, bro.

Jelly Roll has this machine, it looks like a robot, it looks like a little— like a little Pokémon robot.

Yeah, wait a minute, is it that? Because Frank Castillo is one of those— he's like sponsored by those people. That's cool.

Um, those things are crazy.

What's it called? Peak— the Peak people, you know?

I don't know if it's a Peak. It looks like a device. You scared me just looking at it.

Can you look up the Peak Pro?

It's big like this, uh, like this French press. Yeah, bro.

And listen, and every time I see Frank, they've come out with a new one. They have one that's like a Sherlock Holmes pipe. It's all electronic and it's all for dabs. But every time he visits me, he's like, "Hey bro, check this shit out." People like him are the reason why weed still isn't legal. Well, actually, I just read something today that Trump is making—

It's Schedule 3 now. Oh, it's done? It's done. Weed? Yeah, weed is Schedule 3. So Schedule 3, first of all, it should be right with alcohol. If you're 21, leave me The fuck? Alone.

What schedule is alcohol?

Alcohol is not scheduled. It's not a prohibitive substance. I don't think alcohol is scheduled like that. Alcohol for 21 and older is totally legal. So Schedule 1, which is where weed was, which is so crazy. It's like the most dangerous. They said it had no medicinal benefit, harm, addiction. Now, I won't argue addiction because I don't think I totally understand it the way other people understand it. I think it's highly genetic. I think addiction is very genetic because people keep telling me that cigarettes are addictive and that nicotine is addictive. I recently got off of nicotine patches and I started taking Ultra patches. Do you know what these are? Pouches, rather. They're— it's like nootropics. It's like vitamins, like brain vitamins.

Is there nicotine in there?

No, no, no nicotine. And when I started doing it, I was like, okay, I wonder if I'm gonna— like, I've been doing it. You want to try one? Here, that one's empty. Um, I just bought these off Amazon, but, um, I was like, I've done it before when I went on vacation, like I didn't have them at all, and I didn't have any withdrawals. But then I talked to McCann, and McCann said that when he got off of them, it was like 2 weeks where he was like fucking super tense and yelling at people. No, no, no. Oh, nicotine. Nicotine pouches or cigarettes. He got off of all of it. And then I hear— but so my point is, I think it's a biological thing. I don't think I have the biolog— I get addicted to stuff. I get addicted to doing things. Like, I used to be addicted to video games. I would definitely get addicted again if I started playing. I get addicted to pool. I get addicted to martial arts. I get addicted doing stuff. I get addicted to archery. But I don't think I get a— I probably would if it was like oxys or something like that.

I get— I think that's just too strong. That would just get me.

I think I'm too much of a control freak. I'm a total freak to get addicted to any kind of hard—

Well, you quit cigarettes like that.

Yeah, but you know what? You know why it was easy? It's because I had a heart attack.

Yeah, but the heart attack did it for you.

It did. And I already felt like shit, so I didn't go— I didn't—

the withdrawals were nothing. I'm gonna send you something, Jamie. This is kind of crazy, but I sent this to Tom Segura. I said, it's time to start smoking again, because there's this guy that's making this argument that there's a benefit to smoking as long as you do it with the proper diet, that there's some sort of an actual benefit to cigarette smoking. Because one of the things about these blue zones where people like live forever, a lot of these people that are like living that are really old, they smoke cigarettes. Yeah.

That's what tripped me the fuck out. Like, you know, every time they go, this is the oldest person alive, they 109 right now. They smoke. And then they ask them, they go, what's your secret? And they go, smoke, I drink firewater.

And so listen to this. Smoking is good for them. Top heart surgeons claim is breaking the internet. Clip is exploding after cardiothoracic surgeon Dr. Steven Gundry made a claim that's turning everything people thought they knew about smoking upside down. His argument is smoking, specifically nicotine, can have real benefits when paired with the right lifestyle. At one point, he even says about a patient, "Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well." Points to long-living populations where heavy smoking is common, claims that in part of Sardinia, 95% of men smoke and live longer than the women. Says nicotine acts as a powerful mitochondrial uncoupler, uh, argues that the damage blamed on smoking can be offset by diet, and suggests that we've been looking at it completely backwards. According to him, the real question isn't why smoking harms people, it's why some smokers live longer and what we're missing. So there's a video in here, listen to him talk about it because it's 8 minutes long. Yeah, but just play a little bit of it. Because it's kind of interesting. Credit to Dr. Mike on YouTube. Been smoking for 45 years and they're living a healthy life, and they say it's because I smoke.

And obviously we laugh about it because we all agree that it's not true. So why did this one case move you so?

Actually, let me stop you right there. Probably it's because he smoked that he's doing so well.

Okay, we need to back up. How do we get there?

Well, I have a whole chapter in Gut Check looking at the healthiest, longest-living people. And one of the unique features of most of the Blue Zones is that particularly the men are heavy smokers. And the smoking, actually the nicotine in cigarettes is one of the best mitochondrial uncouplers that's ever been discovered. And we've looked at this through the wrong lens. We said, wow, What other healthy lifestyle things are these guys doing that's preventing smoking from harming them? In fact, we should have looked at it the other way. What is it about these people who are smokers that allows them to live to 105, 110 years old? And when you do that, then you say, okay, smoking was good for them. Why don't we see the oxidative stress that smoking we all know occurs? Why don't we see the cancers in these people? And it's because the rest of their diet, facilitates the absorption of the oxidative stress in these guys.

So your state is that if you smoke but eat in this specific way, you can negate the effects of smoking, the negative effects of smoking?

Yeah. What's fascinating, as a heart surgeon, uh, way back in the good old days, most of our patients were smokers, and they had specific proximal lesions in their coronary arteries. The rest of their blood vessels were absolutely gorgeous, and they were skinny for the most part.

So how did you gage that? Did you— what do you mean? We operate on— but you operate on what other vessels that you saw? Like, you would do peripheral arterial disease screenings on those patients, and you would find— I used to operate on— because one of the number one risk factors for peripheral arterial disease is smoking, correct?

Because the smoking, the oxidative stress isn't facilitated, isn't stopped by our current diet. Let me give you an example.

Okay.

Um, we're one of the few animals that don't make vitamin C. And vitamin C— and I've written about this, so should we keep going here?

We get it. I mean, he's—

we gotta understand what he's saying. Send people to Dr. Mike's YouTube channel for the rest of it.

But Dr. Mike wasn't having it.

Well, he didn't know. I mean, this guy's the expert, and this guy lays it— and Dr. Mike's open-minded. He's probably— what he's saying is making sense.

It made sense to me. It's the poor diet. Yeah, that's why I was hoping that video would give me hope, but I'm like, bro, I could— if I could change my diet, I wouldn't have had the heart attack. You know what I'm saying? Oh, so I'm gonna have— I'm gonna get this perfect diet so I can smoke.

Nah, I don't think it's a perfect diet. I think you just got to move to Italy. Bro, whenever I go there on vacation, I'm like, why am I trying so hard? What am I doing? How come I'm not just chilling?

Well, you know, that's the thing about Italy is they have a culture of chilling. Yeah. Like their culture, I forget what they call it, but is it siesta? No, that's Mexicans.

They call it like that nap they take during the middle of the day.

Yeah, that's only, no, no, no, it's a Spanish thing too. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They, but they, I didn't know they did it in Mexico.

Well, obviously it's a Spanish word, right?

Oh, yeah, I didn't know they did it in Mexico, but the Spanish—

Yeah, it's a Mexican thing.

The Spanish are like, nah, middle of the afternoon, everybody napping.

Yeah, my friend went to the Ferrari factory in Italy, and he said, dude, it's hilarious. He goes, they barely work. He goes, the reason why it takes so long to get a Ferrari, he was like, these motherfuckers are just chilling. He goes, they take these big long, oh, it was Lamborghini. Yeah, he said they take these big long breaks for lunch. They eat pasta, and they drink wine, and they lay down. They take a couple hours for lunch and they work a few more hours and then they go home.

They gotta figure it out.

Well, I think we work too much, you know, and this is coming from someone who works too much, but I work too much at things I love. It's a different thing, I think, than most people. Most people are working too much at something that's just making them money and they're probably stressed out all the time, don't enjoy it. But I think if you are working less and just having more enjoyment in life, What are we here for?

See, that's why I'm— that's— I think subconsciously that's why I've been avoiding streaming. I've been talking about it for years because I'm like, if I start making money, right, and then it becomes a job, bro, I'm gonna be like that— you know that fat kid in the chair in WALL-E? You ever see that movie? Yeah. I'm gonna transform into that. Just Uber Eats.

Yeah, if I just start making millions of dollars just eating and laying there, everybody logging to the Discord. And no exercise at all. Oh yeah. Well, the more you stream, the more you make, right? So there's people that stream more than 8 hours a day, don't they?

I mean, theoretically, yeah. But some people stream a lot and they don't make shit. You know?

Yeah, but that's also podcasting. There's a lot of people that are doing podcasts that aren't making any money.

Yeah, so, yeah. But you gotta stream to make money. You gotta be on.

Yeah, but it's a very specific type of audience too, though. It's people that are watching streams. Very different audience than who's watching podcasts, I would imagine.

That's hard to say. Yeah, it's hard to say. Yeah, cuz I think— I don't know if those— there's probably a lot of overlap in those audiences.

So I don't— what we were talking about before with the smoking, I don't think smoking is good for your lungs. I think it's bad for your lungs, cuz everybody I know that quit smoking, they say their cardio gets better. This was a—

this stuff— this— that interview you shared came out 2 years ago. Oh, did it? And there was some controversy around it. And well, clearly.

What is a blue zone? Well, that doctor— It's places where people live longer. Oh, okay. Uh, okay. So here what it says, uh, key details regarding Dr. Gundry's statements. Controversial claims. In a conversation with Dr. Mike, Gundry suggested smoking could be linked to longer life, observing that some long-lived individuals in blue zones smoke. Mechanism theory. Gundry argues that nicotine functions as a mitochondrial uncoupler and that a high polyphenol diet may mitigate the negative effects of cigarette smoke. Criticism: Experts strongly disagree, noting that smoking is the leading cause of premature death, that any potential benefits are far outweighed by risks. Right, but they're not taking into consideration what he said about food. Despite the headlines, Gunley stated he does not smoke and does not encourage others to do so. So he's just a scientist relaying research.

Yes, so what are the critics strongly disagreeing with?

He said they're not, they're not making any sense because they're disagreeing, but they're not addressing what he's saying in terms of the high polyphenol diet mitigating the negative effects of smoking.

Yeah, I mean, that's all he said was what he observed.

This is what I think in my years of trying and using nicotine. I think there's something to nicotine. The reason why I am backing off of it is it fucks up my pool game. Really? Yeah, nicotine gives you a lot of energy, and I think like these, like these Alps, these are like 6 milligrams, and then there's Lucys. I have Lucys that are 12. But you put them in your mouth, it's like you're sucking on a battery. It's like, it's so strong, it's ridiculous. They make you jittery, and jittery is not good for pool. Pool is a chill game. Pool is like you're concentrating, but you want to be completely calm when you're stroking the ball. Like, your hand, you're barely holding on to that cue. I hold on the cue like I'm holding a baby bird, you know. It's very calm. You don't want to be like, ah, you know. So a lot of people stop drinking coffee because they play pool. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But nicotine in particular, which is interesting because I know a lot of people who smoke cigarettes who play really well. Maybe it's a different feeling in terms of like how it affects your body than, oh, see, that's a good question.

How much nicotine is in a cigarette versus like one of these Alp pouches? These Alp pouches is Tucker Carlson's company.

It probably also has to do with like your level of addiction.

Like some people are fully— yeah, they— some people smoke all day.

They need cigarettes just to be back to zero.

John Mellencamp, he was in here. That dude just— that was like one of the big things, like, can I smoke during the podcast? I'm like, absolutely, no worries. I go, we got a fan, we smoke cigars all the time. So he just chain-smoked the entire podcast, and he said, find what you love and let it kill you. That's what he said about cigarette smoking. Oh yeah, that's a—

who's that? Who's that quote from?

I don't know. Typical nicotine amounts. Okay, standard factory-made cigarette usually contains about 10 to 14 milligrams of nicotine in tobacco, which an average smoker absorbs around 1 to 2 milligrams when smoking it. Nicotine pouches are sold in strengths that commonly range from 2 milligrams up to 12, uh, or more of nicotine per pouch. CDC notes that they can contain high levels of nicotine. Uh, pouches that with 6 milligrams nicotine or less were most common. But higher strength 8mg pouches have been growing quickly. Yeah, because people are getting addicted. Cigarettes deliver nicotine to the brain very fast, within 10 to 20 seconds after inhalation, which makes them high— highly reinforcing and strongly addictive. Pouches release nicotine through the lining of the mouth, so the rise in blood nicotine is slower and more prolonged compared with a cigarette hit, though total absorbed dose over 20 to 60 minutes can be similar depending upon strength or how long the pouch is used. The thing about, like, pouches is people just keep popping them. Like Shane, that dude just pops them every 10 minutes. He's popping 6 milligrams like every 10 minutes. Combustible cigarettes clearly more harmful overall because smoke contains more than 7,000 chemicals, many toxic and carcinogenic, whereas pouches avoid combustion but still expose you to an addictive drug with cardiovascular effects.

That's why I'm convinced that people that do all the other forms of nicotine are way more addicted than smokers are.

Well, I'll tell you one thing that I felt was the most addictive version of it that I tried was vaping. Those like Escobar things, those, those are weird. Here's another weird thing about those vaping ones. The only good hit is the first hit, maybe the second. Have you seen how they—

have you seen how vapers act when they can't find their vape? Oh, they freak out. It is—

they get sketchy. It's crazy.

Yeah, they get crazy. I saw— I was in DC last year and I popped in on this comedy spot, um, and I, and I go, and I go to the bathroom and there's a vape sitting on the sink, like somebody put a vape there to wash their hands or something. And I go out to the bar and I remember all the com— I remember I bought the, I bought the comics The comics are at the bar waiting to go up, and I bought a round for the comics. And one of them was like, "Oh, thanks, man." Got up, went to the bathroom, came back, sat next to his friend, was like, "Oh, bro, I found this vape in there." And they both hit this vape. So they went, he took a vape out the bathroom.

That somebody else was just sucking on. Some guy who could have been eating ass just 20 minutes ago.

Right. Also, it was on the sink in the back. In the men's room at a comedy club.

Ugh. That's crazy. Hey, I found it. Let's take hits off of it.

Yeah, it's like—

That's crazy.

It would be tough if that was my vape. And I set it on the counter and be like, oh shit. Right. That's probably what happened. Somebody set it there out of reflex and was like, I don't want that shit. It's been sitting, it's right here with all this filthy—

Maybe, or maybe they're like, I gotta leave this thing here.

Oh, this men's room sink water? Nah, you could keep that. You could keep that.

These guys are just sucking on it at the bar. But I guess if you dip it in whiskey, it'd be all right. Just dip it in your glass before you take a hit.

Bro, you could just wait till you get to your vape. 'Cause it's not like you got one.

The first hit is the only one that's good. The first hit is like euphoric. The first hit of like an Escobar, you're like this, like, ah, everything's amazing. But that, you don't get that with a second hit. It doesn't like maintain. After a while, you're just taking hits and you just feel nervous. Like, this is terrible. This doesn't feel good. But it's the first hit. The first hit's wonderful.

Oh yeah. You know how many vapers I've had to curse out 'cause they unplugged my phone? Yeah, to plug in their stupid fucking vape.

They're like, yo, what?

Yo, you was at 30%.

What the fuck is wrong with you? I need it all day, right?

Don't unplug my shit. Junkies. They really are junkies.

Oh, they're junkies. I see people hit them all the time and they, they hit them like a fiend.

And, and you know, the worst thing is the people that they try to start vaping, it's like to replace smoking, they just end up doing both.

Well, I think the vaping is more addictive than smoking.

Oh yeah, because you can— you know why? It's because one, like you said, I think you're getting delivered more nicotine than a smoker will get, even though, look, smoking has other bad shit that you're putting in you, but in terms of addiction is what I'm saying. I'm not saying vaping's worse for you, but you're getting more nicotine and you can vape in places you can't smoke.

And on top of that, you're getting all these weird oils and chemicals and stuff in there that aren't good for you.

But you can vape anytime. Right. You can vape, you can vape.

But you know, people are getting these new diseases like popcorn lung, lung. Have you heard of that?

I heard of that, but I ain't heard nobody that got it. I've heard like, you know, it's one of those like, what do you call them, urban myths.

There's a kid that I knew back in California. He was one of, one of the people in our neighborhood's child, and he was 19, and he was in college, and he was vaping like crazy. He was vaping all day long, and he got pneumonia and wound up dying. And they connected it to the vape. Like, he had destroyed his lungs. Yeah, kids are damaging their lungs.

Did you know, I think that started back when, you remember when some People have like the adjustable ones where like you wear like—

oh, the big ones. Yeah, the crazy ones.

Because now the popular ones are like the disposable ones.

Adam Curry has one of them big jammers.

Yeah, one of them big rigs. I think people— lunchbox. I think people were going crazy back then, like in the beginning of it when, when nobody knew a lot.

The real vapers, man, they still go crazy, but they're doing it themselves. They think it's healthier. They're getting like their own like nicotine drops. They're putting it in the thing and they're putting their own oil. They're using like MCT oil because it's healthy.

This organic poison.

Yeah, whereas like if you're getting it from a factory in China or Vietnam— have you ever seen that one? There's one video of a dude who has to test every vape when it comes out of the factory with his mouth. With his mouth. The ones you get have already been sucked on. So this dude is just sucked in Vietnam. Just— I don't know where he is. He might be in Laos. He's just sucking just wherever this vape factory is. This dude's just sucking on this vape over and over and over again. Everybody's vape he sucks on once to make sure it's good before he sends it out. But we're doomed. So this guy's got— what is his dose of caffeine in a day?

It must be off the charts. Yeah, so that's the other thing. I think the vapors are more addicted because they get more nicotine. They just get to do it. They just do it.

Oh yes, you could definitely do it. But I'm telling you, it's like you don't get the good feeling. Like, it's weird. It's weird, like a cigar, like the relaxation, the good nicotine feeling of a cigar, you get that like every time you take a hit out of a cigar. That's not the case with a vape, at least not for me. Look at this dude, he's sucking on every one of these, checking them out. Look, that's nuts. They got to make sure they're good. Like, how vaped out is this cat? That's probably how—

that's probably what he gets paid in, just vapes. Just smoke.

I mean, how many fucking thousands of vapes is this kid sucking on in a day? How many do you test in a day? He says around 7,000 to 8,000 tests per day. Jesus Christ, does that dude sleep at all? He probably dreams in like horrible black and white, like lightning bolts. And he also smokes after work. Oh my God. Someone should see how long that guy lives, bro. That boy's arteries done. Yeah, he's not in the blue zone. Oh, bro, I was just looking at popcorn lung. Yeah, it's, it's older.

It's, it's developed according to this. It came around 2000 when people at an actual popcorn factory— whoa— were exposed to a chemical that was causing what's called bronchiolitis obliterans.

Bro, look at this. It's first recognized from clusters of workers at a microwave popcorn factory exposed to the butter-flavoring chemical diacetyl. Wow, I thought it made your lungs look like popcorn.

This is saying there's like, it's very, it's super rare for outside of that actually though.

Cancer Research UK states that there have been no confirmed cases of popcorn lung specifically caused by e-cigarettes, although some older e-liquids contain diacetyl before regulations tightened. Do you think that's like big tobacco trying to scare people away from vapes?

No, no. No, I think they investing in that shit.

Yeah, but if they don't, like, what if it's like some companies maybe don't and they're worried that these cheap vapes—

well, there's only, there's only, there's only 3 companies. The big tobacco is really big tobacco.

So it's RJ Reynolds. What are the other ones?

Um, uh, Philip Morris, or is it Philip Morris? And then there's a, and then there's an overseas one. Maybe there's 4 companies.

Who's making the American Spirits? It's the same people. Is the same people.

It's— there's only 3 or 4 big tobacco companies.

This lady Suzanne Humphreys, who's a doctor, she was making the argument that those cigarettes are probably not even that bad for you.

And they own— and they see the writing on the wall. Like, they own all the patch companies. They own that shit too. Of course. Yeah, of course. Why wouldn't they? Because the writing's on the wall. They start— they were talking about it in Canada, and now I think they're trying to do it in the UK, where basically, like, people of a certain age will never be able to buy cigarettes.

They— yeah, I think they're doing that in Canada right now, or in— they're definitely doing that in the UK. That's right. No, American Spirit cigarettes are not safer than other cigarettes despite marketing that highlights natural and addictive-free tobacco. Studies show they contain similar levels of toxic cancer-causing chemicals as other brands. Research suggests they may even be more addictive due to higher nicotine levels. No reduced harm, no evidence the absence of additives makes cigarette smoke less harmful. High nicotine addiction. Studies have found that many varieties have higher nicotine yields compared to other popular brands, suggesting higher addictiveness. Misleading marketing. FDA previously required the manufacturers to stop using natural and additive-free in marketing, as these terms falsely implied lower risk. Why does that imply lower risk if you say additive-free? Consumer misconceptions. 64% of American Spirit smokers incorrectly believe they're less harmful. Often because of their natural branding. This lady, this doctor, was making that argument. She was saying the chemicals that they add to cigarettes that make them more addictive— like, remember that Russell Crowe movie The Insider?

Remember that movie? Mm-hmm. Good movie.

So I got about a guy who is a true story about a guy who's a doctor who works at a tobacco company that makes cigarettes, and he's specifically formulating these chemicals in order to make people way more addicted. And then he has to go to court and they try to kill him. It's like, you know, big kind of whistleblower type drama. But that was— that was the premise of that film, which is also based on real life. And what she's saying is that those chemicals that make you more addictive are probably much more dangerous, and that just the actual tobacco itself is probably not as dangerous. She wasn't definitively stating this. She was just saying that most likely They're probably safer for you.

Well, the American Spirit ones also, you smoke less because they take forever to smoke. Mm-hmm. So every time I was smoking around an American Spirit smoker, you know, you'll see a damn 3/4 of a cigarette left in the ashtray.

Do you think that those, like Marlboros and shit like that, like they smoke quicker on purpose so that you smoke more of them?

I think they're— probably gunpowder or something they add to them, make them burn faster. Because that's the thing with American Spirit, you set it down, it'll go out. Right, but if you— if I, if I was to light a Marlboro and set it down there, it would burn all the way up, right? I think they do that so you waste cigarettes. That makes sense.

Oh yeah, for sure. That makes sense. Yeah, because they probably calculate over time how much money that would be.

Yeah, in fact, I've read somewhere like that is why there are 20 packs in a cigarette— 20 cigarettes in a pack— is because they, they discovered that that's exactly how many you needed to smoke as much as possible in one day. Day, like in terms of how long the— how long it's in your system. Oh, when you start getting another craving, you can smoke.

Well, that's crazy because some people smoke 2 packs a day. Yeah, those people are like, oh, animals. How are they alive?

I don't know, but I was getting close. Where were you at? I was at a little over— like, I was at a little over a pack a day where I would smoke a— I'll go through a whole pack and then tip into the next bag, dip into the next one.

Yeah. It makes sense that they would buy patches. Why wouldn't they? And why wouldn't they buy up the companies that have alternatives like gum, Nicorette?

Years ago, the VA tried to get me to quit and they prescribed me the patches. Yeah. But like you— like this— like I said, it's like there's 12 to 14 milligrams in a cigarette, but you only end up getting 1 or 2, right? But the patch is 5. The lowest step of the patch is 5. And do you feel it? Yeah, you have crazy fucking dreams too. Whoa. You put one of them patches on before you go to bed, you gonna have a fucking crazy dream. And now you're more addicted. Oh. Right? 'Cause you not used to getting 5. Now you getting 5 all night, you wake up like, oh shit. Like you not used to getting nicotine all night.

Ron White used to wear a patch and smoke all day.

Yeah, that's what I was about to tell you. It's like everybody I knew that got on the patches Was patching and smoking.

Yeah, Ron was patching and smoking, and then one hypnotism session, quit everything cold turkey. Really? Yep.

That's weird because he don't seem very suggestible. I know, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't think I've ever seen him change his mind about nothing. About nothing.

Every— all the arguments that he's had with Tony in the green room, I live for that shit.

Oh, I live for those moments.

Those are hilarious. Ron digs his heels in.

As soon as I hear Ron go, "Well, well," yeah, I already know.

"Well, that's not my experience." Yeah, he was wearing the patch and he was smoking those little cigars. You know those little cigars? He was smoking them like cigarettes. You're supposed to not inhale those little suckers. Like, those little suckers have way more nicotine. You know those little tiny Monte Cristos, those little things? You're supposed to smoke those like a cigar. Like when I smoke them, I try to smoke them like a cigar. You can take— you hold it in your mouth. It's a tiny cigar.

You can't tell these Texas gentlemen.

Yeah, not to smoke nothing. Well, Ron has got amazing willpower because he, he got off the alcohol and just done, never touched again. Got off the cigarettes, done, never touched them again.

Yeah, I love that guy.

He's the best. He's the best. But it's like that ability to just turn something off like that. The amount of money— how much money— let's look into that. How much money is in the nicotine business overall in America? It's probably way more now with pouches and vapes on top of cigarettes. I think it's less now, but I bet the cigarettes probably been less. But now so many people are on the pouches and so many people are vaping.

Well, the thing is, I think there's I think there's less money overall, but that's why there's less companies, 'cause they keep getting bought. Right. Right, 'cause people are smoking less. Like, the kids are smoking way less. Cigarettes. Way less cigarettes, and they don't vape as much as we think.

But I think there are a lot of 'em around the Zens. A lot of 'em around pouches. Let's guess. What do you think the overall industry of cigarettes, or nicotine products in America? The collective amount of money that nicotine products in America generate every year? I'm gonna say $10 billion. Yeah, that sounds about right. It's less than $10 billion for the whole country. I'll say $6. Let's say $6 billion because there's 350 million people plus Mexicans.

That's just for the oral nicotine. Is how much? $6. Whoa. Cigarettes is way higher. What is cigarettes? $76 billion.

Oh shit, that's more than sports. That's crazy. Football.

Cigarettes and traditional tobacco, which put in like cigars. Cigars and like, speaking of which, hookahs and stuff.

But okay, but what was it 20 years ago? Was it higher?

It was higher 20 years ago from what I looked, but it does, it has grown. It's growing slowly every year. It's a total of $100 billion when you include everything together.

That's crazy.

Well, I mean, but it isn't really crazy because it's one of the— it's one of the— it's one of the legal and socially acceptable drugs to be on all day. Yeah, you can smoke it because you can't even drink at work, especially if you use pouches.

Now everybody's using pouches.

They're predicting the pouches are gonna go from around 4 to 6 $6 billion now, and by 2030— so it's only 5 to 6 years from now— could get up to $50 billion.

Well, here's the thing, they have nootropic benefits, like they do enhance your cognitive performance. Nicotine does. And there's a lot of people that swear by them, like for creativity and stuff. Like, one of the things that Stephen King talked about in that book On Writing was that one of his biggest bumps in the road with his writing career is when he quit smoking. He's had a really hard time like getting his synapses to fire the same way. So it was really noticeable, the difference in quitting nicotine. But then again, his best shit he wrote when he was on coke. He was doing coke and drinking beer. Yeah, and he wrote his best craziest shit when he was doing that.

No, but I'm gonna be honest about that though. Like, I don't— I do feel less creative, or less— not less creative, but less— I don't know, it does feel like— it feels like my brain is working different.

What about cigars? You ever thought about cigars, or you just like think it's too much of a gateway?

Yeah, I would be right back on it. I'll be right back on it. Maybe we can— we get some other nicotine drops, Jamie. You can just shoot it into your fucking eyeballs.

You fuck with the pouches at all? Or do you worry that the pouches will bring you closer to the cigarettes? No, but I've never fucked with the pouches.

I don't know. You want to try one? I'm not trying one. Oh, this doesn't have nicotine in it.

That is no nicotine. That's an Ultra pouch. Don't do it. Nah. No, no, no.

Maybe the gum. Maybe I'll try the gum. Yeah, I've tried the gum.

I like pouches better. How's that? I like pouches better. Um, it's interesting that, like, they would probably— I wonder how much money is spent How— okay, what is the patch? What's the patch worth? Like, how much does that generate?

You know what's wild? They was trying to give me nicotine in the hospital. For what? Because they knew I was a smoker, and they were like, you don't— you don't want any? I was like, no.

How are they trying to give it to you? In what way?

I don't know if it was a pouch or gum, but— but they have mints too. But it had been prescribed to me, and it was just sitting there, and they— and they, you know, and every time a shift changed, somebody would run me. Hey, so you know you got some You know, you got some shits already. I was like, no, I'm okay.

They— somebody sent me some nicotine mints and they made me nervous. Like, I didn't like them. They made me feel uncomfortable. Tiny slice. Okay, nicotine patches are a tiny slice of the nicotine economy in the US. They amount to at most a few hundred million dollars per year versus tens of billions for cigarettes and other nicotine products.

Yeah, but you know what, the reason they, the reason they still invest in them is because every time you try to quit and you use the pouches, when you come back, you're more addicted, right?

That's right. So it's just, it's a cycle.

Yeah, it's insurance that you'll get back on the cigarettes. Yeah, because I bet you they're not— they probably don't track how many people—

what's so funny, Jen?

Nicotine replacement therapy. Therapy.

The global nicotine replacement therapy market, patches, gum, lozenges, etc., is around $3.1 billion. Therapy. Just reading that in this room, I know it's like a silly weird conspiracy or something like it. Predicted to reach $4.7 billion US dollars by 2034. But it makes sense that they would invest in that Like, it's not a, you know, why wouldn't they? It's like, if they're smart business people, you know? Yeah. Did you hear about that Special Forces soldier that got in trouble because he bet on Polymarket that Maduro was going to be kidnapped?

Oh, they found out who it was?

Yeah, they caught the dude. Oh no. Yeah, he made, I believe he made $400,000. And he tried to cover his tracks.

But I thought it was like Trump's son or something. People thought it was— it was Don Jr.

Well, who knows what they've done. Oh yeah, I mean, they're probably not looking at them the same way they're looking at these special forces.

Boy, Trump don't leave no crumbs on the table. He's like, I need all this bread. I'm on the way out, I still need this bread.

Yeah, I mean, think about that, the coin, the Trump coin. I mean, that's crazy. That's crazy.

It's legal, but it's Melania coin, like If you, if you buying any celebrities' coins, you deserve to lose your money. Mm-hmm. But I think it—

what Metzger explained to me, he goes, these are gambling addicts. They're gambling. He goes, they know, they know that it's gonna crash. No one's under any illusion this is gonna last forever. They try to get in and get out and make money while they're doing it. It's like they just figure out when to buy and when to sell.

Yeah, but there are people that think that, you know, those are the suckers. Those are who you're getting money from. It's the ones that think it.

You could look at it that way, or you could look at it as this is an effective way to pay people off legally. So here's the thing, I'm not accusing anybody doing this, but I'm saying let's say if I started a JRE coin and maybe some Middle Eastern government decided they were gonna invest $500 million in a JRE coin, and then I announced the JRE coin They put in the money to back this JRE coin. I get a substantial stake in the JRE coins. I get a bunch of JRE coins, and then I just dump all my JRE coins, and then it go— I get, I get all that money, and then it goes from being worth X amount of dollars to being worth almost nothing.

Is that the pump and dump?

That's the pump and dump. Oh yeah. Yeah, so that'd be a way I'd pay you. So like, say maybe if you and I had some sort of a deal that was a little shady, and I said, Brian, how about this? I can't pay you outright, but what I can do is why don't you start a crypto coin and I will invest in your crypto coin, which is a very legal venture, and I will put in $100 million into your crypto coin. And so now your crypto coin, a bunch of people will also throw money in because there's $100 million in it and they know that it's gonna pump and dump, it's gonna happen, like the real clever fuckers. And then you just get out. So you get out as soon as it hits the peak, like you get it set up so that like maybe peaks in 24 hours or whatever the fuck it is. Like, let's— like, let's— and again, we're not accusing anybody of anything, but let's look at— nor are we taking notes. Let's look at Trump Coin. How much was Trump Coin worth like right after it came out versus 5 days later?

So somewhere that money has to go somewhere. And so if I invested in Bryan Simpson coin and then that money, you know, it got to the coin was worth— I don't know what, what a coin's worth. I don't know what it's worth, but let's just say it got to its peak and then you sell and you just dump all your coins. And so that you just rake in a big pile of money, millions and millions of dollars, and everybody else is like— they're the people that like were dummies. They don't get anything. And then me, I didn't expect to get any money. I'm just trying to bribe you. I'm trying to pay you off.

What the thing is, America makes sense. Oh yeah, the thing is, America is like 3/4 scams. A lot of scams. And some people sit around complaining about the scams instead of getting in on them.

Did you hear what Dr. Oz said? No. Dr. Oz works for the government now. They— California has a big hostile scam going on. You know how like Minneapolis, Minnesota had the daycare scam? California has a bunch of fake hostels where they're taking care of people. That's what it is, right? So they shut funding down to 400 of them. Not one of them complained. Mm-hmm. It is like, whoops, see ya. Yeah. And so it's his assertion that that's because they were all scams. So that Nick Shirley guy, the same guy that investigated the fraud in Minneapolis, he's investigated some of the fraud in California. And one of the things that they found in some of his videos is like a lot of these businesses are registered to like a hotel, and like every room in this vacant hotel is a different office for whatever company. And so each room in the hotel is raking in money as an office that's supposed to be working as a hostel or as some sort of, you know, a rehab center, or, you know, fill in the blank. They have all these learning centers, all these different kinds of things, and it's all just government scams, Medicaid scams.

Yeah, get in on the scam.

Get in on the scam.

Scamming is the American way.

Looking at it how you asked isn't the best way to look at this. Here's what it said. Of course not. Show you what it says after this though.

Okay. Trump's official Trump meme coin launched at around $1 US. Range reported roughly $0.18 to $1.20, and within about 5 days it had crashed down from a brief brief spike near $70 to $75 US dollars down to a high of $30 per coin. So that's within 5 days. So it spiked at $75, then it dropped down to $30. Different data provides slightly different start points, but they are in the same general zone. Crypto Analytics notes TRUMP was launched on January 17th, 2025, initially worth $0.18 per token. So everybody buys in when that happens. Other coverage and exchange posts describe trading beginning around $1 or about $1 within the first hours after launch. So reasonable takeaway is launch price is $0.2 to $1.0 US dollars per TRUMP depending on which exact tick you chose. So within first hours after launch, the price skyrocketed from around $1 to around $75 US dollars. So that's when you want to get out, within the first hours. Reports the same weekend cite highs near $70 to $75 US dollars and a market cap over $10 to $12 billion. A finance report on days after launch, trading started around $7 US dollars on Friday, jumped as high as $74 on Sunday.

So that's when you're supposed to get out. So let me ask this, what is it worth now?

That's like $2 now. Interesting.

So it got as high as $70 $74.

Now you gotta hold on to it.

You know, you're fucked just in case. There's a little bit more—

it's like there's more into it because it's not the easiest coin to get, and how do you get it, and all those kinds of things come into play. And that's kind of what I think this sentence is more about, right?

But if it went to $75, somebody must have made a ton of loot, right? Had to.

Yeah, that's what it says, right? 800,000 wallets, which could be people, collectively lost around $2 billion.

While the Trump Organization and partners profited heavily from fees. Interesting. So that— this is the thing, like, that's just that one. What is the worst pump and dump in crypto coin history? Let's look at that.

Wasn't that— let's find out.

Sam Bankman-Fried, I think it was him. Well, I think what he was doing, he said that if he was left alone, he would have recovered the debt, and that he had been doing this back and forth. They just caught him in a moment where this one guy sold all his coins off to try to crash him on purpose, like his rival. And then he didn't have the money to cover the spread, and then people wanted their money out, and then, uh, and then they realized. But he had been— they all do that, apparently. It was what his— or I don't know, but that's what his argument was, I believe, is that I think he said that if he was not— that they didn't interfere with him, not only would those coins have gotten the money back, but they would be profitable today.

See, I have friends that have profited from it, but when I hear them talk about it, it's like I just don't quite understand it fully. I feel exactly that way. And I can't put my money in some shit that I can't articulate how I can make money. I can't do it.

Yeah, not only do I not understand it, I don't trust it. Yeah. It sounds crazy to me.

I had a—

And the people that try to talk you into it, they freak me out.

Well, a lot of times they just know there's a new scam. Somebody in my family is getting caught up with these fucking scammers, but they're, they're finding elderly. It's like going through the elderly community, a new Ponzi pyramid, Ponzi scheme. Oh no. And they're basically, they're telling these old folks that they had— that they are joining a crypto exchange, but the crypto isn't real. So they, they download— they down— they have— they download this app and they telling them all you got to do is get up every morning and make these trades. And you make, you make, you know, this much percent of your money back. And so, and they go, and you know what, and just so you know it's not a scam, I'm gonna put in a grand for you. I'm gonna put in 2— fuck it, I put in 5 grand for you. But you don't realize that money's fake too. You download the app, they can show you however much money you want, but you can't get that money out. It's— so here's how they get you. So they get you either way. So if, if you do— so the, the, the ultimate plan is to lull you into going Like, they want you to look— they want you to log on every day and see that number going up and going, oh shit, I'm gonna put my money in there so I can make even more money, right?

That's the ultimate plan. But if you— even if you got suspicious and you're like, I want to take my money out, well, they go, okay, well, just send us an early withdrawal fee. So they only end up getting a little bit of money out of you, but they still get real money out of you for no money. And even if you end up getting so suspicious that you won't even do that, Well, they, they, they got you to download this app on your phone, and so they got your information. Oh yeah, most people use the same login credentials across apps, so you done gave them that as well, right? You know, or you—

they got your email address, they could sell that, and they have your—

they have your security questions, so they know your first dog's name and shit like that. So it's like, at the very least, they getting away with your info, right? Or some of your real money, you know. And, and a lot of old folks, they hear crypto and they don't really understand it. Right?

So it's easy to convince them that, "Oh, it's just something I don't understand, but this app makes it easy for me." Isn't it crazy that the Polly Market thing for this special forces soldier, that he's going to jail for this, but Congress is allowed to insider trade? Oh, bro, bro. And that's kind of crazy because you can't be sure that the mission to try to overthrow Maduro is gonna be successful. Right? So if they're trying to overthrow Maduro, that's a military operation. They're not always successful. So if he's gambling on a military operation that he's about to embark in, he's kind of betting on his own life.

Well, I think what they're getting him for is more that he endangered the mission. Really? Because I seen— because, uh, because I was just saying, because, yeah, because you're Because if, if, if we're supposed to keep our military movements a secret and it gets out there that someone keeps on predicting when we're going to make certain movements, then our enemies will be watching Polly Market for when people bet on. That actually makes sense, right?

Is that really the case, Jamie? What is he in trouble for?

Uh, I mean, I was— I'm reading through the justice.gov thing. What Brian was saying started to make sense off of here, but at the bottom it says the actual charges. And the charges are 3 counts of violating the Commodity Exchange Act, each which carries a maximum of 10 years, 1 count of wire fraud, which is a 20-year max, 1 count of unlawful monetary transaction, which is a 10-year max. And what's the other one? Well, that's only 2, but it says there's 3.

Mm, that's crazy because like How come no one in Congress ever gets in trouble?

They do sometimes. No, they don't. When they don't vote correctly.

No, like every year somebody goes down. Not insider trading. They get busted for other shit.

Yeah, you're right, for like taking bribes and stuff.

Yeah. Has anybody ever been busted Congress-wise for insider trading on stocks? I don't think so. If I guess, there was another controversy recently, uh, they're accusing Fetterman of doing it.

But the type of shit the average person goes to jail Oh my God, what? You want to talk about something that'll piss you off about somebody going to jail? Yeah, this guy in Florida, what was his name?

Um, yeah, a few people have for sure.

Really? Congress people for insider trading?

Yeah, even recently. That's crazy. Uh, it says Rep from New York Chris Collins pled guilty in 2019 to insider trading and lying after tipping his son about a failed drug trial. 26 months in prison. T-Mobile stock purchase.

Definitely, definitely no senators though.

Well, these are people that nobody knows. Those. Look at these people. This ain't Nancy Pelosi. 2020 scandal. Occasionally.

Oh, no, COVID. No powerful people are going to prison for that shit. No. Martha Stewart's the most drunk, the most powerful person that ever went to jail.

Yeah, but she didn't even go to jail for that. She went to jail for lying. 78 members have been arrested.

One different con—

not arrested, but all violated the STOCK Act. Interesting. Which requires reporting financial trades within 45 days. Maybe that's just because they try to hide it and everybody else is just like, oh, I just made a good—

they're saying just in this April 3 candidates were fined by Cal Chi for allegedly, uh, whatever, betting on their own—

political insider trading by betting on their own races. How? But wait a minute, you can't bet on your own race. That seems crazy. Like, if you think you're gonna win, you don't know if you're gonna win.

No one knows. But you're probably the first one to know which way it's gonna go.

I don't know about that. I don't think those polls are ever correct. That's not true.

They must be somewhat correct. They were suspended from Cal-SHE, so I don't know.

So, so, Joe, check this shit out. This is gonna get under your skin. So this dude Michael Martin in Florida, he, he, he made an addition to his house, a million-dollar addition to his house. It got approved by the city and everything. And after he put it up, his neighbors complained. They went and dug up some like 100-year-old statue and, and complained, right? And they, they— so they take them to court, and his argument is, well, it got approved by the city, like, that's why I built it, right? So fuck them. But he, but he compromised already. He compromised and he, he put up a thing to block his view so it wouldn't bother them, okay? And that wasn't good enough them. So then the judge ended up ordering him to tear it all down. Oh my God. And he refused. And now he's still in jail, right? He's still in jail right now. Oh my God. For contempt of court. Is this a homeowners association thing? No, no, it's just his neighbor. No, no, because he, he— everything was approved. It got approved by the HOA, got approved by the city and everything. And he spent all his money, spent all his money, built it up, and then, and then his neighbor had a problem with Oh, his neighbor's a piece of shit.

And now the judge wants him to tear it down.

Can you imagine your neighbor wanting you to take down an addition to your house?

Like, why do you give a fuck? If I'm going to jail over that, I'm gonna whoop your ass. I'm at least being there for something.

That's so crazy that people can take someone to court for doing something to their house. Like, what does it matter to you? Is it affecting your view?

Like, what is it? Yeah, I think it's one of those things where it's like, technically, I think the argument you can make is that I bought this house because the forest was right there and he's chopping down the forest. Is that what he's doing though? No, that's not what he's doing. But it's like, I don't know what— and I forget what the statute is that they found. His name was Michael, Michael Martin, but they found some old-ass technicality, uh, right, that the city didn't even know about because they approved it.

You would hate that neighbor forever if that guy made you take down your addition that you spent $200 grand building up.

Because that's my thing, is like, how was the judge— how can you tell a man fuck your million dollars, right? Right. That's what's crazy, bro.

And you got approved by the city and he can't appeal that? I don't know.

No, he's going to— he's in jail while it's being appealed, and that's what his lawyer's like.

He's— no, cuz here's the thing, he can get out of jail anytime he wants.

All he has to do is tear down the addition.

He has to tear down the addition.

Yeah, but if he's appealing, why would he tear down the addition? And then if he wins the appeal, he builds it back up again, and the guy appeals the appeal. It's also saying that demo is gonna cost $800 grand. Oh my God. Oh my God, this fucking cunt neighbor. Yeah, you talk about being— what is the specifics though? Am I wrong? I mean, maybe the neighbor's right.

Like, I'm looking to see how it went down.

Yeah, cuz what did the—

what is that?

Why could the neighbor have any— what? How could that make sense?

Yes, it's starting off, said the lawyer for a Tampa couple who asked a judge to find their neighbor in contempt of of court over a disputed guest house says there's more to the story than we first brought you about.

Of course, there's always more to the story. What is he growing? Shroom? It's not Sharon. My old neighborhood, there was this guy built a house and it was just kind of flat, just a flat. It was kind of boring. It was like just a— it was just like not creative. The guy was a builder and he wasn't much of an architect, and I don't think he hired an architect. He just had his own idea to how to build the house, but he got permits and he did it. It. But I remember my neighbor complaining, and he's like, you believe this guy built this fucking house? I'm like, what is the big deal? And he's like, you don't think that's an eyesore? I go, well, it's boring. It's a boring house. Like, what do you care? I just didn't understand it. But he wanted to like start complaining and get a bunch of people to file a complaint about this guy's house. Local news site: the location will allow the occupant of the guest house to peer into the backyard and pool area of the Babbitts' home. Oh, Martin subsequently removed any windows facing the Babbitts' property and installed bamboo along the property line to obstruct the view of the guest house.

Yeah, they were, they were mad that you could see into their house, to their yard where their pool is.

Yeah, that's how it started. That says that was the initial complaint, but there's 500 filings that they've had over 5 years. Oh God. 1924 original subdivision said it was public space or supposed to be public space.

Case or something like that. Yeah, 1924. They went and found a 1924, uh, statute.

They're saying that the company he hired that got the approval did the— did that illegally, and that's their claim, I guess. And then it all has to do with— yeah, that's—

so Martin signed a contract with the demolition company, needs to pay $392,372.50 to Dynamite Demolition. What a great name. I want to get a t-shirt. Dynamite Demolition. Uh, to begin tearing down the structures, Judge Nash rejected them until last week, finding Martin in contempt and ordering a writ of bodily attachment, which orders all law enforcement to take Martin into custody and take him to jail. No one is above the law, McLaren said. So we just want the court's ruling to be complied with, and that's it.

Boy, but somebody being able to see into your pool is wild for you to really go through this much trouble.

She said— oh, so this general contractor, Julie McGill, is one of the several outside contractors and developers I asked to evaluate the case. She says she can't remember a time when a judge told the city that it didn't follow its own code on neighborhood conformity.

Wow. But see, Mr. Martin, Mr. Martin, you fucking up the game. You know what you got to do, man? You know what you got to do, Mr. Martin? Just comply, okay? Because you're not going to win like is do what they say. Pay the money, tear it down. I'm guessing you got the money if you building a million-dollar guest house with a pickleball court and a pool just for your guests. You got the bread. Pay that bread. And then you take the money you save from not being caught up in all of these lawsuits, okay, and you spend it on revenge. You hire the most cold-blooded fucking creative people you can think of, and you, you make this person's life miserable in all the legal ways possible, in all the ways where he knows it's you and he can't do shit about about it. You, you hire a bunch of college students, you get him a prize for whoever finds any statute that can fuck this man's life up. That's what you do. Don't sit in jail. You cannot take any revenge that cost you something. It's— you have to— it's got to be pure delight, you know.

It's got to be served cold. That's why that's saying it— the revenge is best served cold. It's like you have to take care with the dish.

You can't just react. It would be weird though if you always had a backyard where your pool didn't face anybody, and then also my dude put a house right behind your pool.

Put up a gazebo, motherfucker. I'm reading more.

That's not exactly what it was. It says there was already— they put together some lots to make one bigger lot, and there was already some, uh, something on that. And so when he bought it, they're like, we don't see any problem with fixing that, changing how it looked.

And that, that might be— but here's also the thing though, Joe. He offered to block, like, put up a wall and block the— for me to have no windows.

Yeah, so put up bamboo.

And I feel like, if it's a good neighbor, that's reasonable. Yeah, that's a reasonable compromise. Go, oh, I, you know, I didn't even think about the— I can see into your house, we'll just knock the windows out. That feels like— instead of being like, no, I want you to waste a million dollars, right? Fuck. To me, that's when you became the bad guy. When he offered a reasonable compromise and you said fuck no, then fuck you. Fuck you. Yeah, fuck you. I'm telling you right now, they lucky it's not me with a million dollars, because I'm Batman now. I'm Batman and you the Joker, and I'm gonna spend my whole— I'm gonna Live my life as though those— that's true.

Uh, yeah.

Oh yeah, I'm gonna tear it down. I'm gonna sell the house. I'm gonna use all the money from all— from selling this house. I'm gonna use all that money to make your life hard. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm gonna pay people to break in your house.

And that's illegal. Don't do that. That's illegal. You don't want to pay— don't do illegal things.

Let a crackhead do it. But that's illegal still.

Okay, crackhead will rat you out too, then you'll be in jail.

Cut your internet line, wait till you call the repair shop. Illegal too. Have them throw dead mice in the back of your vents.

You can't have it be illegal. It's got to be legal, right?

It can't be illegal.

It must be legal. But I just can't think of anything legal right now. Well, you could sue people for all kinds of stupid shit and just make them go through legal problems.

Don't sue. Yeah, just have, just have people outside with a tape measure. They, if they, if they a centimeter from the curb, calling the cops. Straight neighbor wars.

Neighbor wars are real, man. People kill each other over neighbor wars. Oh yeah, the Hatfields and the McCoys, ain't Yeah, um, I think that was over some other shit.

There's nothing worse— there's nothing worse than living beside somebody that like this. No, it's completely unreasonable, completely unable to compromise. Nice neighbors are beautiful.

Oh man, you have good neighbors, it's great. I have nice neighbors. Yeah, it's nice. And I have nice—

I had nice neighbors in California too, because, because here's the thing, it doesn't take much to be a good neighbor. You just, you have to be thoughtful and in this— in the times that you're not thoughtful, when it's brought to your attention, you have to have the appropriate amount of shame. Well, here goes.

Hog. It was over a stolen hog, illicit romance, and longstanding grudges. Two neighboring families in the backwoods of Appalachia. So here's the thing about that though. I think this is from— is this from Malcolm Gladwell's book? I forget whose book it's on. From, but there was a book where they explained that what had happened— I believe it's Malcolm Gladwell— was explaining that the reason why the people in Appalachia are so violent is because they come from herding populations in Europe. And so herders in Europe are very different than farmers, because if herders— someone can come along and steal all your sheep and you're fucked. You can't really steal all someone's corn. It takes forever, right? You got to chop it down, you know what I mean? So these people were used to defending their animals with violence. Insults because people would come in and try to steal them. Yes, Malcolm Gladwell, yeah, Outliers, that's the book. Chapter 6, Hatfield-McCoy feud, is analyzed as a prime example of a culture of honor where, similar to the findings in this Reddit thread, ancestral herding roots forced rapid brutal retaliation for insults to maintain reputation. This cultural legacy, not just poverty, drove generations of conflict.

So, Culture of Honor. Gladwell argues that families descending from Scottish and Irish herders brought a culture of honor to the Appalachian Mountains. In these regions, law enforcement is weak and survival depends on establishing a reputation for strength and prompt, often violent retaliation against slights. Yeah, that makes sense.

What was the name of the book though?

Outliers. Fucking great book. It's a really good book. Yeah. It though. It's really good. It talks about like why people are successful. The one of the more interesting things is about the Beatles. And the Beatles talks about how they got this gig in Hamburg, Germany where they were performing every fucking day. Every day they were doing multiple sets every day and they did it for like a few years and they went back to Liverpool and everybody's like, what the fuck happened with you guys? Like, how'd you get so so good, and they got so good because they were just performing all the time. I think it was at a strip club. I think it was something crazy like that, like they were performing music at a strip club, like something weird. And because of that, they were just getting in reps like crazy reps. And I think that's the key to like almost anything, almost anything. And this is the argument in Outliers. It's like, you know, the 10,000 hours of mastery. Like that argument.

Yeah, but wasn't the 10,000 hours, it's not exactly what he said, right?

No, it's a rough, because there's other, obviously people that are savants.

Well, I know, I think he modified it because he talked about it's not about the amount of time as much as it's about the kind, the quality of practice. Right.

So like intentional, directed get practice, which would be like performing on stage. Exactly. For all those— where is— what were they doing in Hamburg, Germany, Jamie? Were they, uh, were they at— were they at a— was it a strip club? Something like that.

It said they played in clubs and strip bars. Yeah, so there's a lot of places, I guess.

So they were just going off, they were just like doing as many sets as they can, which is the same with comedy. Everybody that we know that really progressed rapidly, they did as many sets as possible. They're hopping all over the place. Like guys in our club, like Ari Matti, for instance, that fucking dude, he's— he'll go up at the Sunset, he'll go over here, go there, go there, does a show at the Mothership. He's just in it, you know, he's in it, you know, all day. And when you're doing that, you just get better quicker, just get better and better. And those dudes that we know that do a set a week, you know, come in, drop in, do 15 minutes, that's it, you don't see him again for another week. They kind of like get stale, stay flat, they get stagnant.

Yeah, stagnant.

Yeah. Whereas the Beatles just got after it, and then all of a sudden, love, love, Mayday, they just got smooth, you know, which makes sense. That's the case with everything though, with like everything you do. Like, you don't want a surgeon that does brain surgery once a year, you know. You want a guy who's like in it. Yeah, he's in it all day. He's fucking studying journals and practicing with robots.

Yeah, I'm trying to be your third brain that day.

That's right. Yeah, you don't want to be the fifth brain though.

It gets tired. No. Yo, you know what's funny is I just saw something about— they did a— he did a study at a courthouse where— and they found that the— that judges— whenever the judges had— like, how harsh of a sentence you received was directly related to how How long had it been since the judge ate something?

Oh yeah, I've seen that before. Yeah, I've seen that.

Yeah, that's crazy as hell. Crazy. Like, and it's, it's, it, it, it, it, it's, it's enough. It's statistically significant. Yeah, yeah, which makes sense.

Cranky. Yo, or is the judge getting no pussy? Maybe he's going through a divorce, you know? Maybe his wife fucked her trainer.

Oh yeah, damn it. Give me the— fuck you— give me the hot judge right after breakfast.

What if you come in and you're, you're a personal trainer too and you're dealing with some shit? Mm-hmm. The judge is like, my wife just fucked her trainer, you piece of shit. Some people get real petty like that. They don't give a fuck about, about like doing the right thing.

Oh, hell no.

No, they just want to, they want to feel power, fuck people over. Fuck you. Oh, fuck all trainers.

Well, you know, another thing I just found out about is, um, I think, I think that the country is Anguilla, right, Jamie? They, they, um, so you know how, you know how like in America the websites are all.com and in Russia it's like.ru, right? In Anguilla it's.ai. Oh, which didn't used to mean shit, but now, now it's worth some money. Now they're making so much money selling domains domains that it's like half of their money. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's completely changed the economy there.

Oh, that's crazy because it seems like you're legit if you have like perplexity.ai, right?

So anybody, anything that— yeah, they got to pay these people.

Oh, wow. Yeah, well, there's so many domains now.

Yeah, just from something we didn't used to think meant anything because it used to be like you only had.com and.net.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, you know, like you never know what to expect. Like, bro, somebody just held up a, uh, somebody— I'm— because I'm on, uh, one of the, one of the subreddits I be on is called, uh, Why Would You Touch That? or What Is This? And usually, usually the same posts are on both because people are like, what is this thing? And then also, why did you— why are you touching it? So I just saw one recently, but somebody held up a thing And they were like, what is this? What is this? What does this OF mean? And it was like, but it, but it was, it was from, so, you know, Tyler, the Creator? Yes. So he, when he first came out, his group was called Our Future. So this is way before OnlyFans. Okay. And so if you saw OF, you know, before 7 years ago, it meant, that's what it meant, right? And so it was one of their like stickers or promo things or something like that. But he, but this was a young kid, he found it in an attic or something. He didn't know what the fuck him in. He was like, why is it— because he knew how old it was, so he was like, it can't be OnlyFans.

What is this, right? Yeah. And it's like, shit changes all the time. These fuckers, they, they got this, uh,.ai. They never thought— nobody thought they would make any fucking money off of it, right?

Now, well, there was other— there's other ones like that too that are kind of interesting. There's a bunch of different ones. I'm trying to remember some of them, but some of them are like.biz. Where'd that come from? I don't know.

Who— what is that? Is that a—

I don't know, but they have that. Like, they have.biz. Like, some—

I remember back when that used to mean something. Like, we used to have like, you know,.org. I think.edu is still a thing.

Like, remember when people sell websites for a lot of money? So people would like buy a bunch of domains and hold on to them. Like, business— I think business.com sold for a ton of money.

Yeah, but now I think it's hard to do that now.

Yeah, what kind of business do you have that people are just looking up business.com? Why is that even worth anything? You know what I mean? That's like eating.com is worth money.

I don't know if you remember back when, when White House dot com was a porn site. Bah! Was it? The actual site was— it's always been White House dot gov. But that was back when people didn't know. So White House dot— so people, whenever anyone was looking for the White House, they go White House dot com, they go to this porn site.

Do you know what Red Band did?

No.

Do you know the Pepsi Spice thing?

No. What is Pepsi Spice?

One of Redban's greatest trolls was he bought Pepsispice.com. So Pepsi Spice was a type of Pepsi that came out, and so Redban bought Pepsispice.com, and then he started documenting how he was drinking Pepsi Spice and he was having bloody diarrhea. That's all he was drinking. He was dying. He's getting cancer. It's like the fucking craziest thing. I mean, 14 years ago. So play the full screen. 169. So he's losing weight. Hi, this is Brian from PepsiSpice.com. A lot of people wouldn't believe me, so that's why I'm making this video. My pee has actually turned not yellow, not white, but it's—

He's got a fake accent. And I'm not making this shit up.

That's why I'm filming using this Canon camera, the S—

4-megapixel camera. So—

That's how old this is. Toilet now.

I'm going to pee, so I'm just gonna—

So he's like pretending that his pee's bloody.

Oh, this guy, he's so silly.

He just kept doing it. Then like it got worse and worse and worse, and eventually Pepsi Spice bought it from him.

Though the hardest part to believe about that video is the 170 pounds.

Oh, he was really skinny at one point in time. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Brian at one point in time got real heavy and then went on a crazy fitness kick. He got a like a stair climber in his house and he was fucking riding that bitch every day, and he lost a ton of weight. And he had a photo of him like with his old jeans. This is Pepsi Spice Project. Peps is Spice Project. He's so silly. But this one, man, he committed a lot of fucking time to this. It was very funny. Like, I remember reading it and like dying laughing. I'm like, you're so ridiculous.

Yeah, well, you know, if If Red Band decides fuck you, he can really elevate to like a 50 Cent level of pettiness. Oh yeah, yeah.

But this wasn't even fuck you, this is just him having fun. Did they come after him? I think eventually they did, but the thing was like they were too stupid to buy Pepsispice.com when they had Pepsi Spice. Like, you gotta buy that. Like, who the fuck— you should fire somebody. Somebody in your organization's slipping because he didn't know that Pepsi Spice was gonna be a thing. Til after you released it. So the fact that you knew that you were gonna release Pepsi Spice and you didn't buy up pepsispice.com is kind of crazy. That is kind of crazy. Kind of ridiculous. Yeah. That's just shitty planning. That's whoever works for— they deserve whatever he did.

Yeah, I tried to— when I tried to get— 'cause all my social media stuff is BS, and I tried to get BS.com, or it was BSComedian.com or something like that. And somebody already owns it. It was like a Canadian improv group or something.

Oh, interesting. And they—

I was like, well, I'll buy it from you. And the price they said was so crazy that I was like, what? How much? I want to say they asked for like $10,000 or something. And this was back when I— that was like, I wouldn't pay that now, but back then I didn't even have it. Right. I was like, what? $10,000 is crazy for a website. Yeah, because it wasn't like They were doing tons of business through this website.

Were they using it at all? How much would you have paid for it? Back then? Yeah.

I would have gave them $1,000.

$1,000. If they said $2,000, no way?

Maybe. Maybe $1,500 with a best and final.

I think today though, all anybody does is do a search of your name and then they find your website. Like if Sony wants to find your website, they just search and it's right there.

Oh yeah. But I, but I, but I need, but part of me always wants everything to be the same and it ended up not being that way anyway because my TikTok is a different thing than everything else. Everything is BS comedian except that.

It's interesting that you have TikTok. Don't you worry about the terms of service, like all the access they have to your phone and access to computers around your network and all that shit?

The Chinese?

I mean, well, now it's not the Chinese anymore.

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, for me, I've never— Ellison's— I've never— because the— once Edward Snowden told us what was up, I'm like, they all— who gives a fuck? I care who's spying. I'm getting spied on no matter what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah, what the Chinese gonna do to me? They're gonna be like, oh, he's basically—

they have everything again that you have ever done, and they only use it if they catch you. So if they're looking for something, like say if you run for Congress and you do some insider trading, you do something shitty, and they come after you, then they go, oh, Brian, it's interesting because we have a voicemail. Oh yeah, on someone's— what you were talking about.

They got that shit though.

They already got it. They always have stuff. Somebody got arrested today from Fauci's administration. See, that's why they arrested the first guy who was involved in the cover-up of the lab leak theory. And he was using a Gmail account to avoid Freedom of Information Act requests. So he was using Gmail instead of— this is allegedly— I don't know what the reality of all this is, obviously. I just read about it today. Ex-Fauci top advisor indicted over alleged COVID cover-up. Hidden emails. David Morenz allegedly received gifts including wine and high-end meals from a collaborator, prosecutors say. Uh-oh.

See, this is why I don't believe in incognito mode.

Yeah, it's all bullshit.

I'm like, yo, jerk off on your main and delete that shit out your history, because all incognito mode is, is just you going, hey Google, this is the stuff I don't want nobody to know about. It's just making it easier for them. Then they put it in profile.

He served for years as a top advisor with the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, um, and indicted and is accused— your phone's talking to you, dog.

Google's like, you can trust me.

Yeah, Google's like, hey, I know incognito mode is legit. Incognito mode. Um, so, uh, he was using his personal email account to evade federal transparency laws and shield key discussions from Freedom of Information Act requests, according to the DOJ indictment unsealed. It was also apparently bragging about it, uh, allegedly alleged that Morenz conspired with others during the pandemic to hide communications related to a controversial coronavirus research grant that involved collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China. The grant was later terminated amid scrutiny of whether COVID-19 may have originated from a lab week. Isn't it amazing?

But did he— did— how did they catch him though? Did he—

well, I mean, they can't get Fauci, right? This is the, the thing, because they wanted to get Fauci. That's why the Biden administration gave him a pardon from 2014 on, which is really kind of wild. Uh, federal prosecutors also claim that Morenz received gifts from a collaborator, including wine and offers of high-end meals and later took steps to justify these perks by contributing to a scientific publication supporting the theory that COVID-19 emerged naturally rather than from the Wuhan lab. So they bribed him to get him to do this, allegedly. He's one of, I think, a bunch of people that are gonna wind up going down. There's too many people that are pissed off. There's too many people— I mean, too much money got lost, too many people wound up dying.

Why you think that Why you think anybody's gonna go to prison?

They never go to prison. Oh, you don't know. This is a new thing. I mean, this kind of thing is a new thing, and there's enough people that want heads to roll. This is a weird thing. I mean, this is a weird thing where they shut the whole country down. If you find out that these people actually paid to have this virus engineered and they were lying about it and hiding it and covering it up—

oh, I see. That's what I took from that.

The virus came from the Wuhan lab. Okay, these people were hiding the fact that they were funding the Wuhan lab. Mm-hmm. They were funding— oh, they— creation— he was part of a group that was funding them, and he was also allegedly being bribed with things to promote the idea that it came from naturally, from natural spillover versus from a lab leak. Allegedly. Who's alleging? Whoever the prosecutors are, whoever the— I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I don't know what they know and what they don't know, but I do I do know that obviously there was a concerted effort to make it seem like this came naturally and not from the Wuhan lab. There was a giant effort, which is why on YouTube, if you had posted during like 2020 about a lab leak, if you said I think it came from a lab, they would literally pull you off of YouTube. They would kick you off of Twitter back then before Elon bought Twitter. They would kick you off Twitter if you were going on and on about it. This is a lab leak.

I mean, we living in them times, man. A hypothetical could fuck your world You can't even chew on it. You can't even like have a play devil's advocate.

Well, you can now. You can now because of Twitter, because Elon bought it. But before then, when the government was essentially in control, I mean, the government was conspiring to control and to limit— Can you talk shit about him? About Elon? Yeah, people do all day. All day. Yeah, all over Twitter. In his defense, I mean, I'm sure he blocks them, but I mean, he could block somebody, but you could talk— people talk mad shit about him.

Bro, that motherfucker be on Twitter way too much. Too much for how rich he is.

Not only that, how busy he is. I don't understand it.

A boy busy tweeting, what he doing?

But he's busy making rockets and shit. I mean, I don't understand it. I don't know how he has the time. I can't do it. He ain't making the rockets.

He got like slaves or whatever. I don't know what he— I'm sure he got like geniuses chained.

He does, but he's in charge of a lot of it, man. I went to the rocket factory during the launch. Jamie went too. We all went and watched watched SpaceX launch. We went down to the— to the cult— what's the Gulf, right?

Oh yeah, they're the main guy, bro. You know, they just launched, um, they— or, or they're gonna launch on SpaceX, they're gonna launch, um, the new telescope. Yes, the, uh, was it the Nancy Grace Roman? The Roman— the Roman telescope. Oh, this shit is— these, the—

these new telescopes are kind of crazy because the more they find out, the more they find out that like, oh, we didn't know that.

What's crazy about this one is how fast they built it and, and And this is the craziest part, it's under budget. Really? So they built it faster than they said for less than what they said.

And now what is the power of this one as opposed to like the James Webb?

Apparently, so I was listening to this shit, I was fascinated earlier, but they're saying, so they weren't comparing it to the James Webb, they're comparing it to the Hubble. 'Cause the James Webb is more infrared. It. This is more like the Hubble, like, but the— it, it takes pictures at the same resolution as the Hubble but way, way bigger. So they were— they, they were saying that there is not a— there's not a screen that exists that you could display the picture on.

Yeah, it's a wide-field instrument, whereas the James Telescope is near-infrared.

Interesting. So what is this going to be able to detect? That the James Webb can't?

Exoplanets is one of the big ones. Oh, like, shit, like way, way, way, way more than we can.

Imagine if they find exoplanets and you could see lights on them.

Like, well, I don't know if that's possible. One day.

Just imagine. Imagine.

Oh yeah, I think about it all the time.

Fucking crazy. That would be—

so yeah, so, so see how huge—

holy shit.

Yeah, compares more to the Hubble, I think, than the James Webb in the type of telescope it is.

Yeah, and just the amount of information that it can take in.

They're finding shit from the James Webb that's freaking them out. They're finding things that making them question the age of the universe itself.

And this thing is going to— it's going to do like we— we— cuz I don't know if you remember this, but the first time I was on this pod, I, I told— I told you about the James Webb, wait, like a, a year and a half before it came them out.

What were you telling me about?

I was just telling you that it existed, right? That it was going to change everything. Yeah, and it has. And, and this one is going to do the same thing.

The formation of galaxies is freaking them out. They find, they find these galaxies that are formed way too quickly, so they're confused. And now they're starting to like, are we wrong about how long it takes to form a galaxy, or are we wrong about the age of the universe?

Yeah, I mean, there's, there's the— we're wrong about everything. I mean, we're wrong about a things. But, but, you know, the thing about scientists, love being wrong. Yeah, they do.

Well, especially these kind of scientists. They love new discoveries. Like, oh, they're not very— they're not dogmatic. Also, it's, it's very difficult to argue when you get the data back from these things. I mean, it is what it is. We were talking about this recently, that they found a black hole that's bigger than our galaxy.

Oh, well, yeah, yeah, that— what? Well, I think you were sending me that.

I think you sent me that something, um, Or it may not be bigger than our galaxy, or it's commensurate with our galaxy. It's like, it's— there's one that they found that was bigger than our entire solar system.

It was ton something. Ton 618.

It's bigger than the solar system.

But that's one. But there was the Alpha— what was the other one that we looked at the other day? Um, and then we brought it up the other day. There's one that's even larger than that. Like, they keep finding these ones that are just impossibly big.

Yeah, because it would have to have been primordial, right? They would have to have formed.

This was the question. They said that it was so big it didn't make sense that it had enough time to suck up enough stars to get that big. That was the problem, right? They were like, there's not enough time from the birth of the universe for this thing to exist and be this big.

Yeah, because it would have had to have started at a time where the— where matter wasn't close enough together to even form things.

Oh, it's so fucked up. It's so crazy. Yeah, just the idea of a black hole bigger than all the way out to Pluto. Here's a black hole.

Here's the real sad thing. There's probably— there's a lot of things that we— that are just not knowable to us. Like, we just will never know, right? And we— and that's— we just got to accept it. Like, like, you hear every time you hear them talk about how we, you know, we're expanding, the, the universe is expanding so, so rapidly that eventually Eventually it's gonna be, 'cause it's speeding up. So eventually it's gonna be expanding close to the speed of light. Right. And so it's like, at some point, if there's still people on Earth by then, at some point, there's not gonna be any stars. We're gonna be, it's gonna be expanding so rapidly that when you look up at the sky, you're not gonna see anything. Like they're gonna think that everything outside our galaxy doesn't exist. I mean, they're gonna see—

They all died off.

They're gonna see stars, but they're not gonna see, they're not gonna know that there's other galaxies. Galaxies because the, the light, the light won't be reaching us. Wow. So it's like, so imagine the stuff that we, that, that we can't know now, that we already beyond what we couldn't even know. I think it's called Phoenix.

I think that was the same thing. It's the same thing. I'm looking at the other—

everything about TON 618 says it's, uh, it's the biggest thing they've ever found.

And how big is it exactly? 88.

That's how Just lost the, uh, mass is the size of roughly 66 billion suns, I think is what that means. I don't fucking know what that means, man.

I don't understand. 66 billion solar masses.

That's so crazy.

You can't even really— you can't even really imagine that.

Do you know what they said? That there are more more planets in the universe than there are seconds since the Big Bang.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's—

There you go, yeah, Phoenix is surrounding TON 618 in that photo.

Oh, that's what it is, okay, so Phoenix, the quasar, as a quasar, TON 618 is believed to be the active galactic nucleus at the center of a galaxy, the engine of which is a supermassive black hole feeding on intensely hot gas and matter in an accretion disk. What does that mean?

That's the, that's the disk around the black hole that, like, when it eats something, that's where the light is coming from.

When did they discover this?

Nature of this object was first noted 1957. 13 years later, 1970, discovered emissions from it.

Yeah, you want to get it really get freaked out, Jamie, look up the Great Attractor. What is that? So this scary space is so— so there is something on the other side of us that we can't see, and everything is moving in that direction, including us, and we don't know what's pulling it. What?

Hidden galaxies discovered in the zone of avoidance. What does that mean? The Great Attractor defeat dark energy. What? Now look up— what is it? The Great Attractor is a region of gravitational attraction in intergalactic space and the apparent central gravitational point of the Laniakea supercluster of galaxies that includes the Milky Way galaxy as well as about 100,000 other galaxies. The observed attraction suggests a localized concentration of mass having the order of 10^16 solar masses. However, it's obscured by the Milky Way's galactic plane lying above the zone of avoidance, so that in visible light wavelengths, the Great Attractor is difficult to observe directly. Bro, there's no way you can know everything. It's a— in the attraction, there's too much information.

So we know everything's being sucked toward it. What is that? We don't know. And it's sucking all these galaxies, all these super galaxies. Everything's moving towards it, and we can't— we can't tell what it is.

Imagine if you're— it's your job to know what's going on in the universe. Hey, Brian, write me a paper on what's going on in the universe. Like, everything. Everything. Yeah, I mean, it would never end. There's— with every new satellite that gets launched that can see into the space every new telescope that gets utilized, like, we're fucked.

Here's the other thing though, I, I, and I could be wrong about this, I mean, I've been, I'm wrong about a lot of shit, but I think that it's, it, it's actually physically impossible for you to know even a fraction of the things because any, any device that could store that amount of information would collapse into a black hole before you could get anywhere near storing enough. So your brain couldn't even hold hold even, even a percentage of a percentage of a percentage of the information.

That makes sense. We have pea brains. Yeah, there's no way we could have that information. The South Pole— what is this? Flat Earthers are gonna love this. Okay, South Pole Wall, or the South Pole Wall, is a massive cosmic structure formed by a giant wall of galaxies, a galaxy filament that extends across at least 1.37 billion light years of space. Nearest light, and consequently part of which is aged at about half a billion light-years. The structure in its astronomical angle is dense in 5 known places, including one very near the celestial South Pole, and is according to the International— International team of astronomers that discovered the South Pole Wall, the largest contiguous feature in the local volume and comparable to the Sloan Great Wall wall at half the distance. Okay, you just like— I just—

we're blocked in by walls, is all I was getting at.

Aha, maybe that's why they're confused. Maybe that's what they think the Antarctic Wall is. Or maybe the South Pole.

Maybe the rest of the galaxy knows that we're a problem and they got us locked in. Yeah, you know, perhaps we got— we've gotten out before and fucked the— you fucked the galaxy up.

Maybe back in the Egyptian days, maybe that's what they were doing. Something. You see that shit? You've seen that shit they found underneath the pyramids, right? No. You haven't seen that? I don't think so.

What do you mean? What?

Oh, you don't know? Okay. Oh, you don't know? Oh, you don't know? He should sell t-shirts. You ever heard? Oh, you don't know? They found these structures. They use— what is it called? Radiotomography. Satellite radiotomography. And there, it's this ground-penetrating shit that they found these structures underneath the pyramids that go like over a kilometer deep into the earth. Like pillars, giant columns that are surrounded by coils that go down into the ground. And they've used this technology successfully to detect things that they know exist, like certain voids that are in pyramids and certain chambers and certain temples that they know exist underground. And they've accurately described these things, including they use this radiotomography on— they There's a mountain in Italy that has a particle collider at the bottom of the mountain, over a kilometer into the mountain. They built this particle collider, and this thing, this, this information, this technology shows an accurate image of what this particle collider looks like, the exact dimensions, shows it exact. And so they're using this underneath the pyramid, and this guy Filippo Biondi, this Italian scientist that I had on the podcast, explained that they've used this underneath the pyramids, and there's these undeniable structures that exist that go down into the ground, like very deep into the ground.

Under— so the pyramids are just the top of this immense structure.

When you said Italian scientists, I just keep thinking about him like taking a nap in the middle, eating pasta, drinking wine.

Eventually we'll figure it out. So you're saying that there's—

that there are machines down there or something?

They don't know what it it is. So they haven't really dug into the ground and investigated it fully yet, but they know that these sensors, these— this technology is detecting these structures. Show Jamie, show him what it looks like. So show them the 3D model. They made a 3D model of it. I'm shocked that we—

that we— that we can't get in there and just go.

That's what they think it looks like. Okay, what? Imagine if that's accurate, if there really are columns underneath the pyramid. I mean, that just seems so impossible. And it seems impossible. There's heat? No, I don't think it's heat. I don't think that's what it is. There's a water table underneath there too, and they think it has something to do with the use of the pyramid in the first place, that it wasn't simply just a structure, that it had some sort of a use, and that these columns were doing something, and that it was probably some sort of a technology. Look how nuts that is. Megastructures underneath the pyramids. Could you go back to what that one said with the— the— yeah, right there. Look at that. Alleged megastructures under Egypt's pyramids sparking fascination and fierce skepticism worldwide. Will you lose something? No. So if it's true, that's nuts.

Yeah, I mean, that sounds absolutely fucking crazy to me that I'm just thinking about the work that it would take to even do that, right?

And what kind of a society did that, and for what purpose? And it's at least 4,500 years old. At least. At least.

Yeah. And so apparently though, those ancient pyramids were before we thought they— like, I thought like the, like, the modern Egyptians built those pyramids. No, they weren't. The pyramids were ancient to them.

Well, that seems to be the case with a lot. That's the The labyrinth that's underneath, uh, it's outside of the pyramids. This is another insane structure that they found that Herodotus documented way back in, you know, thousands of years ago. But, um, this is all Ben Van Kirkwyk from, um, his Uncharted X YouTube channel sort of described all this and explained it. And they've used scans, ground penetrating radar, to show that there's this immense structure that Herodotus described as being greater than Giza Giza itself that's underneath the ground. And inside the labyrinth, there's a 40-meter-long metallic object that's shaped like a Tic Tac. So whatever the fuck that is, who knows? But I think there's a lot of shit from that part of the world that's going to show us that civilization at one point in time had reached a very high level, like probably even higher than we are day, and then it was wiped out, and then we're the rebuild.

Well, they didn't cure syphilis. Actually, bro, you know there's a new syphilis?

I heard from Michigan or some shit, right?

From— no, from Washington. Probably from Michigan. No, no, it was in Washington. Washington? Yeah, the dude, the dude, a new kind of syphilis.

What?

It's not an— it was— the dude had two— he had two syphilises, two different girlfriend. He had two ones.

What a dirty pig he must have been.

And they, and they, they like the same way that COVID was going through like genetic recombination, so like, uh-huh, they were exchanging traits inside his body. Oh boy. And creating a super syphilis.

Yeah.

And then, and then, and then, and then what happened is a bunch of old ladies kept going to the ER and they all kept describing the same man, and they— he spread it.

He was a super spreader. He was spreading it.

Yeah. And, and he went to the ER 'Cause apparently like this, whatever strain he has, it just causes you to go blind super quickly and all these things. And there's debate about whether he knew he was purposely spreading it and didn't give a fuck, 'cause they told him, "Yeah, you gotta come back." And he just kept fucking. He just kept fucking and didn't go back. And then he went, he didn't go back until he had another emergency and he went to a different emergency room.

How many times in human history has that been the cause of a plague?

Leg.

Some guy, somebody wouldn't stop fucking, it was not fucking, and just won't tell anybody.

I mean, how you gonna be mad?

You can't be mad at—

it's 5 cases of rare ocular syphilis which can cause vision impairment or blindness identified in Southwest Michigan, Michigan, between March and July 2022, all linked to a single heterosexual male partner. Wow. All 5 women aged 40 to 60. He wasn't picked reported having sexual contact with the same man. This guy was a freak.

Yeah, bro, he was out here fucking, fucking people blind. And because here's what's crazy, imagine leaving the emergency room because the first time he was in the emergency room, they thought he had herpes. Wow. And they gave him something for that and he left. But imagine coming from the emergency room from an STD scare and going right back to fucking and going blind.

All patients were hospitalized and successfully treated with intravenous penicillin. No further cases were linked to this man after this treatment. Treatment. Woo! All right, Brian, let's wrap this up with Super Syphilis. Um, anything going on? When, when is, uh, you're gonna put your special—

do that later? Yeah, when are you gonna put that out? Uh, I think it's gonna be summertime, July. Okay, put my special up on YouTube.

Come back in July.

Yeah, we'll do that. I'll see you tonight. All right, yeah, briansimpsoncomedy.com.

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