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That one brought a smile to my face.

Yeah, out of all the weird shit that someone's given me, that's at the top. Well, I got this. This is a wooly mammoth tooth that my friend John gave me. A wooly mammoth tooth with a wooly mammoth carved into it.

That's craziness.

That's crazy, right? That tooth's probably 10,000 years old. No bullshit.

But the balls to carve into it too.

I know, I would never. I mean, it's beautiful.

That's gorgeous.

The guy did it, he nailed it. I mean, it's a beautiful little elephant there.

That's fucking unbelievable.

But I would never carve into one of these things.

It almost looks like an alligator gar from the side, like a little alligator jaw.

Right. It does a little bit.

Right?

The thing about these teeth though is they find so many of them that they don't think of them as precious. So you're allowed to do stuff with them. Like, you could buy a knife with a wooly mammoth handle. Like, this is, this is a piece of wooly mammoth that they make for a gun. So you could put that on a 1911. It's a handle made out of wooly mammoth teeth.

You just have a knife. This is an extra handle. Is this this handle?

It's the pistol.

This handle?

It's the pistol handle.

Yeah.

And this is a piece—

it would make a good handle for this one too, like the front one for fucking—

okay, if you're holding a sick-ass thing. Sick-ass Yeah, yeah, I definitely could do that too. I mean, they basically could make anything they want out of it. They make folding knives out of it. Jamie has a folding knife out of it.

Can you make piano keys out of it?

Oh yeah, you definitely could.

Yeah, wooly mammoth. They use it for wooly mammoth woolitzer.

You could, right? You definitely could. If you could use ivory, you could use wooly mammoth ivory because they use it in pool cues. This is a tooth too. This—

I used to have my own pool cue. Unscrewed it. I used to come to the fucking pool hall, would unscrew the fucking thing and get nuts with it. Having a pool— like, having a pool cue is— you're a different level of human being when you're walking around with that. You're not playing games.

You're not playing games.

You're there to play games, but you're not playing.

It's a very serious thing. It's a cool thing. You show up with your own cue, like in The Hustler. The guy shows up with a leather satchel.

Yeah, that satchel alone.

Yeah.

It's male accessories.

Right.

I love a good male accessory.

Right, like we don't have a lot.

Well, you have a knife. Yeah. Knife always looks good on the side. A gun.

A watch.

Watch.

Watch is a good male accessory. It's like the most acceptable male jewelry. For sure. Don't you think? Watches, right.

I don't want no one with a nose ring. I don't want to pull up with this one.

Or like—

The Brahma bull nose ring.

You could pull off gold chains and diamonds and shit 'cause you're a rapper.

No, no, I'm not. No one knows me as that. But you are the blue collar guy. This is— I, I don't even look good with jewelry on.

I look silly. I do too. I feel stupid. I never wear a chain. I feel stupid.

I don't own a chain. I had a chain back in the day. It had a little miniature Tasmanian devil piece.

That was the tattoo everybody in high school got.

Taz was the first. I want one now.

Taz with boxing gloves.

Oh, for sure. Boxing gloves. Boxing gloves with the child's name. I have that on my neck.

Yeah, my friend Kenny got that. It was his first tattoo when we were in high school. Tasmanian devil with a boxing glove. We were all like, sick! 'Cause we were like 16.

The Taz was still to this day one of, like that and barbed wire. If you had barbed wire and Taz.

Dudes went so far with barbed wire, they got barbed wire around their ankle, which is—

That's unacceptable.

A big mistake.

It was Pamela Anderson with the barbed wire. I know. Remember that one?

She had it on, didn't she have it on her ankle? Oh, she had it on her arm. On the arm.

Yeah. In that movie. A lot of dudes had it on the arm.

Fairly okay. It's kind of a bad decision, but it's okay.

But on the ankle, any type of ankle accessory jewelry other than like a surveillance, it really, for me, it doesn't work. My ankle is way too Balkan. It's a thick-ass ankle, right? You know, it doesn't, it doesn't hold jewelry well.

No ankle does. No male ankle holds jewelry well. I mean, I don't, I don't believe in it. Listen, I'm not telling you what to do. If you're a guy who likes beads on your ankle, you feel free.

If I go to Club Med and come back with the braids and the ankle twist, you know, then it's like we're on vacation.

Even on vacation, ankle jewelry is odd for a man.

But you know, people start acting different when they go on vacation. I have friends that wear different outfits, right? Shorts get shorter, shirts get tighter, right? Pieces of clothing just remove themselves, right? It's like wearing— I need to wear the Velcro pants to just rip them off.

Sometimes when you're on vacation, you just don't want to be yourself for a week.

I feel that.

Just relax. Can I just cut this fucking tie off of me?

I also don't want an agenda, right? I don't want to have like, we're doing this, we're doing that. Vacation is not to have a schedule.

I think the schedule should be around eating. Oh, that's what I believe. That's my, my feeling is like cool ancient things. Like if you're in a cool place like Athens, you You know, you definitely gotta go see some cool ancient shit, but get the good grub.

Speaking my language.

Now find the spots.

I was eating some rare scampi right in front of the Pantheon. You know, like there was a beautiful restaurant known for scampi right there.

Wow. That's phenomenal.

I was just recently in Mexico City at Teotihuacán. Ooh.

I wanna go there. I was in Mexico City only once for the UFC, but it was in and out. It was one day. You know, I want to live there. Mexico City is a dope spot, man. I don't go places, but there's a lot of New York. It's kind of like a Mexican New York, but bigger.

It is. It's all—

but bigger, bigger than New York, right?

There's like 10 million people that live in the place they told us not to go to. Yeah, they told you, listen. I was like, what the fuck is this massive area? He's like, yo, don't go there. But 10 million people live there.

What is the population of Mexico City?

And I was getting that good lung capacity, right?

If you're working out up there, it's like, I think that's really high above sea level.

It is 10,000.

Is it 10? Mexico City's 10.

Yeah.

Well, what an advantage you would have if you lived up there and then you go down to sea level. You could fuck everybody up. Your cardio would be off the charts.

I couldn't believe myself.

Yeah, that's real.

I was just doing normal things. I wasn't even working out, right?

Exactly. You just feel like you're like got more more blood in you because you do. Whoa, low to mid 20 million people depending how you define its boundaries.

Wow.

It's also unknown. There's no census that I— right. It's also very— it's, it's lots of shanty situations as well.

Oh, of course. Yeah. Where?

No, what? Yeah, a shooting.

Oh, I did see something like a— just a crazy person.

Right, shit.

Yeah, I believe so.

Yeah, yeah, Tiwacán, a popular tourist archeological site outside of Mexico City.

You're not allowed to go. That's the Sun Temple.

You're not allowed to walk.

I don't want to walk that, like what they're doing, just to that area. No, you can't go up.

And so this guy just started shooting people.

Yeah.

Oh wait, you can't go there. He's fucking— he's elevated. Yeah, that's the Sun Temple.

He's there with the gun and there's a bunch of people like laying down on the ground that were like, oh Jesus Christ. Like he's like shooting right at him.

What?

So crazy.

I don't know why he just standing there too. I saw something on Google this morning. He said something to them.

That motherfucker was hopping on one leg. Did you see the hopping?

Oh fuck, Jesus Christ.

Yeah, I didn't see that.

Just gonna go check out some cool buildings and someone shoots your fucking Achilles tendon off, bro.

That's, that's one of the worst injuries you could probably sustain is an Achilles injury, especially with a gunshot.

Yeah. How many people died?

Uh, I think one, uh, 7 people. So 7 people were shot, one fatally shot.

Does the story of that area, that place, is so insane. I went down this long rabbit hole because I, I'd read something that the Aztecs didn't build that and that they found it there, and they, they called it the place where gods were born. And so then I went into this deep deep dive on the Aztec people and whoever was there before them. It's a total unknown. There's so much about that area, like the Olmecs. They don't— who the fuck were they? They don't know. They just got these giant stone heads that look like they're either Polynesian or African. They're fucking huge heads with a helmet on, and there's a bunch of them, and no one knows who made it. No one knows what language they spoke. It's crazy.

It's truly unbelievable. I know there's one native language that— yeah, I worked in kitchens my whole life, so they would always joke with me that they were speaking Totonaca. And Totonaca is definitely like a tribe from down there, and it's these mythical curing people, like these, the healers. And we, we happen to actually— my wife knows a part, a woman from the lineage of that family. It's all just crazy shit. But regardless of that, just the sheer fact of those buildings, I, I saw with my own eyes that that's not it. There's more underneath. That's not just— it's all surface area, right?

Right, right.

That stuff goes— it runs deep. There's like cities on top of cities on top.

They build them on old ones.

I mean, it's just like you tile the floor, you just leave that bullshit, you just tile right over it.

Well, even in— when I was in Italy, we were in Ravello, and there's this beautiful church up there. You go for a little walk up the hill, there's a beautiful church, old church, like from the 1800s, but it's built on top of a church that's like 1,000 years old, and there's a glass floor. Yep, you could see through to the bottom with the original ruins.

The same thing in Mexico City. They do that everywhere. Oh, there was these people making their pilgrimage where they crawl on the floor from fucking hundreds of miles away in Jesus's name just to get to the church.

Oh wow.

You ever— I don't know what that is. Some, some act of like some humbling act where they crawl from hundreds of miles away to the church and everyone come. I don't— millions of people come to this. It was fucking crazy.

That would be a religious experience. I don't want to know.

It truly was. Like, Charlie, I was just in there, we caught sermon, and I was just— I was getting fucking chills. Like, I just, from the way they spoke and the echo, the way that the acoustics in this room was— wow, it was meant to give you chills. They know what they're doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what they're doing.

I don't want to go down the full, like, Charlie Kirk rabbit hole, but I saw this video yesterday where he visited Jerusalem and they were taking him to this place underground where they mapped it out and used archeology to find out that, like, I believe this spot here where they're at, Jesus, I think, preached or something. It's all— they found it underground and they just built the city on top of it, like you're just saying.

There's all these phenomena, but that is a common thing. Yeah, yeah, it's a common thing.

Fine, this is where he was.

No, no, I mean it's a common thing where they take old sites and they just build the new sites on top of them. It's a really common thing.

Well, it's kind of— it's fucked up, but it's also like paying homage, I guess.

I kind of—

the same, like keeping the same vibe? Like, there—

Well, it's just like rebuilding a house.

Yeah, you want to keep some bones. Yeah. Keep good bones. It's like there's good bones there, right?

I don't think people probably had a really good sense of what history would mean 2,000 years later back then, you know what I mean? Like, when they were doing all this shit, busy, they were busy.

They left all kinds of tchotchkes, man. Yeah, they left so many tchotchkes, it's crazy. Like, I feel stupid. Like, what am I— like, I have to do the same thing with my time. I have to constantly be— I have to leave cool shit because they left cool shit, just because I feel it in me as well. Like, I get, I get it, right? I get it. But when I went to the museum down there, you see all these things, it's like ornaments, like, like just literal tchotchkes, uh-huh, things you would see ornamentally placed by your grandmother on top of things, or like on top of doily just for decorative purposes, but also everyday things and just everything meant something. Everything meant something to them, and everything was done with intention. I don't think that this was all accidental for them.

They knew—

well, they knew who they were praising. All the little figurines for the fertile women were these women with big humongous hips and asses and big breasts and stuff like that. These are the nurturing women. Then they showed the people who were supposed to be witch doctors. They fucking look like witch doctors, all crazy. 3 skulls holding crazy fucking things, right? Like, they determined my view, or these views of who these— like, who people are, you understand? Like, status-wise and species-wise. Like, this is a barber, this is a this, and your idea of what that person looks like. A nurturing woman is known to be a voluptuous woman. Right. Their ideas were there already. They built all their, all their little tchotchkes and their little statuettes that they represent these women, very voluptuous.

It would have been interesting to see, to hear their version of the world, you know what I mean? Like, I wonder what they knew about the rest of the world. I wonder how much they knew, how much they knew about like Europe and Asia and how much they knew about Africa. Did they know anything about all that stuff? Like when they were existing, like whoever built Teotihuacan.

Yeah, Teotihuacan.

Whoever built that, like how much did they know about the rest of the world? That's what's interesting because we don't really know. We assume that they were all isolated, but more and more as time goes on, they keep finding evidence of earlier and earlier seafaring people. Like I think they've pushed people in boats back to 60,000 years now. Let's see if that's true. Put that in perplexity. What is the oldest known use of boats?

Also speaking of that, that Noah— they think they found Noah's Ark.

As long as there's been water, there's probably been something to float on it.

Noah's Ark scans.

What?

I brought that up before.

Oh, Mount Ararat in Turkey?

But yeah, it's been going around Twitter the last couple of days. I think they did some new scans and found some stuff underneath it.

Oh shit. I want to see that. But what was the other question? The other question is the oldest boat. What do you guess? Take a guess.

Fucking, it's beyond my thought. It was like, I don't even know a number. A number doesn't come to mind. Like, as long as there's been water, right? The fuck does that mean? I don't even know.

I wonder how long it took, like, early man to figure out the trees float, and if you could figure out a tool. Once they figured out tools, they must have started making stuff.

But when we see all these ancient, really like laser diagnostic fucking situations, right? They knew already.

Yeah, they know different. That's different, like Egypt, right? Um, archaic humans are crossing substantial sea channels long before our species Homo sapiens appeared on the record. Whoa. So implying intentional crossings as far back as roughly 450,000 years ago.

You think about it.

What the fuck?

Fucking polar bears and seals, they jump up on a little broken piece of ice and they float.

That's crazy.

That's a boat.

I—

yeah, that's a boat.

Yeah, that's what the polar bears are doing. You're absolutely right.

Put their hand in the water as a rudder. Let's go this way, let's go that way.

Yeah, they know what they're doing. They know how to tip them over.

They know exactly—

the seals to pop off, slide.

It's years of evolutionary knowledge.

Yeah, 450,000 years is bananas though. I, I thought it was like 60.

Well, that further up it said somewhere between 60,000 and 130,000, but this article here says could be even more before that.

Well, what was that most recent discovery of a human skull that backdates human beings, not necessarily Homo sapiens, but versions of humans back to a million years? Was it Homo— not Homo naledi.

It was a skull they had, but they didn't know testing or something, right?

And this— it said— they said it's a million years old. So I don't think it's us, but I think it's— it— it co— the thing— the question is, it coexisted with us.

Yeah, that's about a million years old, so it says.

So that might mean we're a million years old. You want to see some shit or hear about some shit that I've just read the other day that's nuts? You know how the thought is that there's Neanderthals and that human beings bred with Neanderthals, and that's how the Neanderthal population went out? There's a— there's at least this one researcher who has a different opinion, and he was using genetics to point this out. He said that he believed that humans may have created Neanderthals, so that humans bred with an even older human species, and Neanderthal is the offspring of the humans, Homo sapiens, and whatever this older thing is.

It didn't create a superhuman though. Well, Neanderthals are kind of a superhuman, but mentally, where they're known to be a little bit like Neanderthal. No, why do you—

that's a, that's a statement that people say.

I'd like to know, were they— is Neanderthal really an intelligence or is it dumb?

Yeah, we don't really know.

I'm a fucking idiot, like, I must be this.

They had bigger brains than us though, which is weird. But that might have been to have better musculature, better coordination. They were way stronger than us.

Huge.

They weren't big. They were like 5'7", 5'8". They're like my height.

But bone structure, right?

Right. They're built completely different than us. They would tear us apart. They would tear us apart the way like a chimpanzee would tear you apart. They just rip your arms off. Like, they're insanely strong. And their bones are much denser than ours. But it says the gap between genetics and archeology leaves us with an unclear picture of where the Neanderthals originated. Columnist Michael Marshall details a surprise Rising new hypothesis that suggests they may have come from us. So this was the, this was the thing that I had read.

Yeah.

Oh, you have to buy a, what is this, New Scientist? We should probably get a subscription for them anyway. We use them a lot. They got good shit on there. So I think the idea is that they're, you know, there's a, they keep finding these other versions of humans. Like they found this thing called the Denisovan. And then they found this other one. What do they call the big-headed people?

Where are they finding these? Like, what, what, what?

They find bones. China's one of them. They found the big-headed guy they found in China. You know, they find them all over the world, man. They find these bones that are just weird. You got to think of how few human bones are going to make it from people that are alive right now. So few of us are ever going to become fossils. So we're putting together a version of the history that's completely incomplete as far as the evidence is concerned. There's just not enough evidence of, like, bones. If we had every— like, look, if everybody who ever lived died and left their bones, and then future people could study their bones forever, boy, we would know so much more. We would know so much more. There'd be bones everywhere, but we would know so much more about how things work.

French did something with them. Fucking catacombs. Put them underground, build something, make it decorative.

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This thing here in the middle, yeah. And they said it's the same.

Wait a minute, that's not AI?

Nope.

Is this all LiDAR?

So this is a picture.

Bro, that's crazy. That's the actual image?

I'll show you the other ones they have.

God, that looks like what somebody would send me in a Facebook group chat.

Where they found Noah's Ark. I'm like, right. This shit right here, if it's not AI, If it's AI, it should say it, right?

If it's not AI, god, it looks like a boat. So look, I'm not a geologist or someone who's a landscape expert, but that's a very unusual feature. What are the odds that something looks exactly like a boat?

Um, so then underneath it, they scanned it, and then they're saying that these potentially are hallways, or—

I mean, that's the shape of a boat.

That's a fucking boat. Oh, so there's structure inside of it?

Well, the biggest issue is that this is on the side of a mountain. So that's not where the ocean is.

Bro, the Great Flood.

It's 6,500 feet above sea level, it says. So if you're going to go with the story of the flood, then you'd have to say that we don't know exactly when the flood happened because this would be petrified wood or something. And I read it takes somewhere between thousands and millions of years to get petrified wood. So we'd have to be on the lower end of the thousands because it's probably not millions of years. And then tectonic plates would have had to lift it all the way up here to—

No, not necessarily. If the flood receded— Well, I guess when the water was that high.

Yeah, if it flooded the entire planet, right?

But then the question would be, where's all that water? Where'd it go?

I don't think it flooded.

All kinds of strange phenomena push things towards the surface. Yeah, this could be anything.

It could be anything, but boy, it looks like—

what I mean is like, yeah, like if it was down below, the water could definitely push— I like— everything could be pushed as long as that's like nestled in there.

I think a lot of it was good wood. The universe fucking with us. I think it's part of the simulation. Part of the simulation is the universe fucks with us, and the universe shows you some things that shouldn't be real by your version of what is and isn't true. AI. Well, that's one. Yeah, that's happening.

That's the explanation of it.

Yeah, right, that is. But then there's stuff like this. If this is an AI, it's almost like the universe is AI. Like, it looks like a big apple. It's not real. Whoa. So does that line up with the actual biblical—

that's where, like, this is even 5 years ago that this picture on the screen was taken. So I think that they're doing— whether or not they're taking, uh, some liberties and what the descriptions are or not, I don't know, because, boy, it certainly is a weird shape.

This is Noah's Ark right here, this thing. Yeah, it looks like a fucking riverboat. Well, that's like we're playing, like we're playing, uh, pinochle on the riverboat there on that one.

Well, he had to get all the animals in there, bro.

This doesn't seem like that would be the one.

What did you think it looked like?

I don't know, like some fucking mega yacht. I don't know, a bunch of holes. And what, what is the things, the, the staffs and holes?

Listen, I think, I think the story of the flood's a real story. Because it exists in too many cultures.

And water is very unexplainable. Sure. Water has no enemy.

And tsunamis. Tsunamis fucking happen, dude. And if they happened and you were in that area, you would think it's the end of the world because you don't have contact with people in Europe. You don't have contact. So wherever you are is an apocalypse.

It's the Great Flood.

You think it's the whole world's gone.

I don't know if there's anything specific about the acacia wood, but I remember looking this up last week. And it very specifically said acacia wood was used to make the ark.

Well, I'll tell you this, acacia honey is fucking unbelievably delicious.

Well, the reason he's bringing that up is acacia is also rich in DMT, and that's these scientists—

No wonder I like it.

There you go, dog. These researchers out of Jerusalem think that that's what Moses's burning bush was. So where God saw— where Moses saw God as a burning bush, that's what they think that means. It's— they were burning the acacia bush.

He's hitting the deems.

He was hitting the deems. He was hitting the deems. He probably did talk to God. God probably did have some good messages for humanity in the early days when we were basically just savages, wild fucking creatures with stone tools. Man, we've come a long way. I mean, human beings are still trying to figure it out, obviously, right? We're in the middle of 3 fucking wars going on in the world. But we're doing better, I think. Yeah, I think we're doing better. We're doing better.

We got a shot.

Stuff, day-to-day interactions with people are definitely, for the most part, better.

I've been, you know, I feel like, I just feel like we're at a place where everyone's gonna either, they're gonna come together or we're gonna just fucking totally rip our fucking heads off, right?

My fear is that a lot of chaos is gonna happen and they're gonna use that as an excuse to have AI run everything. And that's where things get really fucking weird. That's where creativity dissolves, freedom dissolves. You become some little biological time card.

Bro, the other day, I fucking— I posted a picture of a frog that I AI-generated just because I wasn't able to get the frog to do what the fuck I wanted to do in real life. Like, I want the frog holding frog popsicles. He was being difficult, so I had to fucking use another guy. And I— these— everyone was blasting me like, yo, not you, not you, I can't believe you used AI. Like, yo, you're—

what?

People were fucking flipping out on me.

So people are upset?

I generated a picture of a frog.

Who is mad at you for this?

Whoever is on my Instagram, huh? And my fans and the people who, who are you know, just hating on AI. I get, I get the idea of like using it in a, you know, in a conniving way or in a, you know, but it was a picture of a fucking frog. There it is. That's fucking good.

That's cool.

And I said that that was going to be my album cover, but then why is that bad? They were like, yo, you're taking away opportunities from other artists. Well, let me just clear this up. I wouldn't have hired you no matter what because I do all my artwork anyway. There was no job to be taken away. So let's just— if that's the argument, you could throw that one out.

This is just tools.

It's good old fun.

Listen, I don't—

this is Photoshop, pretty much.

Yeah, look, it's beautiful.

Thank you.

It's very cool looking.

But then I did get—

I get what people are saying.

I get it too.

I get— after it was explained to me by a younger generation of mine I get you should hire artists to make stuff, but you know how long it take an artist to make that? Unless the artist is doing exactly what you're doing.

But I get that, but I wouldn't have— I wouldn't have hired him in the first place because I do all the artwork on my own. So everything comes from me.

So it's not a job loss?

No, it wasn't a job loss no matter what. But I get the idea of it.

I get the idea.

Giggles, you know, like, it's fucking whack that that's, that's what people are worried about.

I don't think— I think it's just a bunch of people looking for things to complain about, A. And then there's also like a sentiment in the air, which is that AI is coming for everybody's job. So anytime someone uses AI that could have been used by people, there's a certain percentage of people that are going to kind of rightly be upset. But you're not going to stop it. This is the thing. That fucking— that wave is 2,000 feet high and it's moving 100 miles an hour and you're not going to stop it. It's not— you're not gonna stop it. This is just what AI is.

I didn't, I didn't realize the severity. I mean, I guess I do now, but bro, it's alive. It's fucked. It's fucked for sure.

These things are alive and they're gonna be able to do everything for you.

I don't usually use any of those things. I'm pretty, you know, Neanderthal when it comes to this type of thing.

Yeah, see, the thing about the Neanderthals is they don't know if they were dumb, so they used to think that they were really stupid. And then they realized that they probably had language, and they probably had tools, and they probably had a sophisticated society, and they buried their young. And maybe we just assumed because they're brutish and strong that they were stupid, but their brains are bigger than our brains. They might not have been dumb.

I just might have just threw myself in the editor.

They have big eyeballs too.

Looks are deceiving. You think that, you know, some schlub. And here I come, fucking Mr.—

Brother, I've seen you with the bass.

Oh my God. I did it this morning.

Swing that motherfucker, dude. It's very impressive. That's a hard thing to do.

And I got, I got up to like 88 pounds on that bitch, which is ridiculous.

A lot. I started doing this new kettlebell exercise. You do like an 8 in the air with a kettlebell. We started like this and you go all the way up and down like that.

Oh yeah, that's crazy. Mm-hmm.

And over around your head.

Woo! Serious deal.

Oh my god, your, your core, your low— you don't realize like how weak that shit is in those weird movements until you try something something like that.

That's why the kettlebells are the best things. Kettlebells, the, the clubs, the mace.

Awkward stuff.

Awkward. I love all that stuff. All the sandbag work. I'm still doing that every day since I was here last. I know it doesn't seem it, but I've lost like 20 pounds.

Congratulations.

Well, I got up to 300 again. Damn. Now I'm back down to 265. I know you can't see it, but I'm kind of jacked.

Well, you're very thick.

I'm jacked. I'm jacked.

Yeah, you're very like You're a bull.

I know, man, but I try.

I'm trying to put the work in. It's just— but you— the problem is you also work with food, delicious food, eating so much pasta. Did you?

I did.

So much is the funniest way of saying that.

I'm not eating so much pasta.

By whose definition is so much?

I've, I've cut it out a lot. Yeah, I'm trying to dial it in heavily. I'm trying to really dial it in. I need— this is, this is my life. It's all about being dialed in. Yeah, I can't let it go because once I let it go, it's going. I hear you, it's going.

Yeah, but you know, like, it's hard once you want to get that fucking— those carbs, once you get that pizza and that pasta rolling.

You know what, once I stopped, I don't even fucking need that shit right now. I don't even crave it. That's not— I'm not really interested in that. A simple piece of toasted whole wheat bread does it for me. Just jam that I don't need pizza. I've eaten enough pizza in my life for fucking 45 children. 45 children's lifetimes couldn't equate the amount of pizza I've eaten.

That's hilarious.

So, I mean, I feel like I've eaten enough of everything that I've needed to. Now it's time to just fuel. It's all about the fuel.

You dialing in?

I'm down working out with like serious dudes, dudes that are like jacked out of control, and I'm the only one that's rounded.

Do you have a trainer that you work with?

No, no, no. I just, I train with dudes who train every day.

Okay.

One dude's an IFBB pro and—

oh, bodybuilder.

Bodybuilders. But I'm trying to do a little bit of that. I introduce my stuff, you know. No one could really do the Masons because that takes a long time to like perfect that work, and everyone's way too tight, right? So I do that on my own. I do like 3 days of that with the kettlebells, and I do Normal shit. Deadlift. My knee's a little fucked, so I'm doing zurchers. Zurchers is my favorite squat anyway.

Zurchers are great.

It's my favorite.

It's really good for grappling and just for elevating your testosterone.

It's known to be like one of the— it's definitely like a— it's a jiu-jitsu and it's an MMA. Every MMA fighter should be doing that.

Yeah, it's big for wrestlers, the ability to take people down and also stuff takedowns.

That same sort of strength that thrust. Yeah, it's phenomenal. It's my favorite squat by far.

It's great. The Dutch shoulder stuff that you're doing, all that mace stuff, you must have like really strong shoulders. The shoulders never fuck with you.

Not anymore, because I healed myself with the Onnit motherfucking club. Yeah, like literally John Wolfe helped me. I would just hit him up like, yo, those things are great.

It's great just because most of the time when you're lifting, you're just picking stuff up. Yeah, you know, you're doing bench press with this, like you're swinging it over your head and you're pausing out in front, swinging it overhead.

Think about when you're doing jiu-jitsu, you get your hand, your arm put over there, and you have that strength.

It's never in like bench press, never.

You're never like pushing perfectly, you're always in like weird—

that's why yoga is really good for jiu-jitsu.

I've been trying to do a little bit more of everything.

Yoga is so good for you, man.

Pilates, yoga.

Pilates is surprisingly hard.

It's one of the hardest things I've ever done. She fucking put the goddamn things on my ankles. I was laying on my back doing scissors. Don't tell anybody, but yeah, I was next to my wife.

Tighten up that man pussy, bro.

My man pussy was like fucking that. It was like rock solid. And I told her, I was like, yo, this hurts my asshole. Like, you're fucking literally making me work out a crazy muscle. And she's like, yep, yep, you feel it, right?

You gotta go home with sore asshole.

Ow!

You're sitting on the bowl.

Ow! You gotta wear the donut. You gotta sit on the cushion.

No. Remember those? People used to have those at their house on the seat? We'd have that like cushiony—

On the toilet seat?

Yeah.

That one that we used to hit it?

Yeah. Remember that one?

Pink. Grandma pink. Oh my God. I just remember the smell of old ass coming off a toilet, like a grandma's ass or grandfather's ass.

Yeah, old.

I remember my father's shit smell because it always— yeah, you smell— he always would throw a cigarette in the toilet afterwards, so it smelled like a shitty cigarette.

That was back in the day where everybody smoked in the house.

Oh my God, we used to have a ring. He would sit and there was a ring up there from the Rothman Blues.

What's a Rothman Blue? It was a cigarette.

Yeah, English cigarette.

Wow. Isn't it crazy how doctors used to recommend cigarettes? Used to be able to buy cigarettes at a hospital.

Oh yeah, I've purchased them at hospitals with the thing.

In bed. When the guy's in bed.

Oh, you could buy them in, like they would come around, like a 6-year-old kid would come around with the thing?

Like a lady would come by with like a box of different kinds of cigarettes in it. And the guy was like picking out cigarettes that he could have while he's in his hospital bed.

Damn. Those are the days.

See if you can find one of the pictures.

Those are the days. I remember the pull machine was always my favorite when I got sent to the store to go do this, do that.

Yeah, look at this. Oh wow, this has to be an ad, right? Is it an ad?

That's the goal.

Or maybe it's a newspaper photograph or something like that.

Was that Paul Moll?

Another one, different guy.

Another 1950s cigarettes are marketed as being good for you. Look at the nurse is lighting this guy's cigarette happily.

Well, he doesn't look sick. His hair is done nicely.

So when, when do people in America— we looked up this who figured out the first cigarette, didn't we?

The same guy, different nurse.

Oh, this is all bullshit. I don't know, maybe it's just one guy had a freaky nurse.

The nurses just reminds me of why— why is America so medicated? Why are we just so fucking medicated on everything?

And because it works.

Does it?

I mean, it doesn't do what you want it to do, but like, as far as like mental medications, that shit works. There's a lot of stuff that works. Sure, Prozac has a legitimate effect on people. They get accustomed to it.

Good or bad?

Adderall. Depends on who, it depends on the dose, you know. It's like if you want to say good or bad, I know a lot of people that are very successful that use Adderall. I don't necessarily know if it's bad. I think it depends on who you are, whether or not you can just use it when you need it, like to write or something like that. I know journalists that use it, but if it's, if it's one of those things that you're addicted to, like benzodiazepine you know, like, uh, Michael Jackson. That—

well, no, that wasn't the Michael Jackson one. No, that was the Latin. He—

well, he died from being sedated. He died from propofol.

Oh, he was just— and then pumped with other stuff.

I don't think he could sleep at night. I think he was just so mentally ill. That's fucked. That guy was too famous, man.

There's— there is—

there is that level of too famous.

Wait, it's deep. Yeah, and everyone on earth knows who Michael Jackson is. Yeah, I don't think there's anyone who doesn't know who Michael Jackson is. Even now, if you're born now, you know who he is.

Yeah, I mean, he was so famous that even after all the sexual allegations, all of his music still played on the radio. It was so good.

No one gives a fuck.

It was so good. He's the only one no one cares, right? Look, R.

Kelly stuff, you barely hear it anymore, and I'm not gonna say anything.

Please don't. I will not. I do.

He's a disgrace. I mean, it's disgraceful, but his music was phenomenal. It was like that changed motherfuckers, the whole vibe of R&B, like disgusting, unbelievable, nasty, disgraceful things, right? But if you separate the artist from the art, and that's the fucking worst thing, you can't do that. You cannot say that. It comes as a whole package.

But my question is, how many of those guys were like that way back in the day? You know what I mean?

Probably a large amount. You see the sickness. I don't understand why motherfuckers get a little bit of money and start doing weirdo shit. Like, I like to garden.

Like Island Chef?

Yeah, like I like gardening, I like stonemasonry, I like working out and cooking, right?

But why would— I'll tell you why.

I'm obviously not on that level, but I don't see my mentality changing so far off where I'm fucking going to the island, you know? No.

It's never gonna happen.

Bizarre.

Even if there was a new island. But the thing is, you made money by doing what you love. That's a very different kind of money. These people are just trying to make money. So when you're just trying to make money, it's all about experiences and items that you possess. So you want to buy your own island, you want a jet. What else you want? You want a Ferrari, you want a bunch of shit, things, things. You want things and you keep getting more things, and you want to do things that you're not supposed to do. Like you want to eat an endangered species. You know, there's like a restaurant in China, they'll serve you tiger, they'll serve you gorilla, like whatever you want to eat, endangered species.

I mean, I've seen things.

I don't know if this is true, but there was a story that was written about this place where you could go in China, and this is a story, see if you can find it. There's a story about like, it's one of those things where it's like a gather, it's not like a restaurant.

It's a gathering.

It's a gathering that happens like once every year or something like that, and they go and they would eat endangered species.

I think I've seen something.

Fucking crazy. I know, that's a billionaire crazy person money thing. Like, we're gonna go eat a tiger, you know what I mean? It's like, fuck it. Yeah, it's weird.

I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine. I don't even like to hurt anything. I don't—

right, but that's because you're not that kind of a rich guy. Yeah, you're a guy who made a bunch of money just by being himself, and that's a totally different enterprise than someone who's just trying to make a bunch of money. The people that are just trying to make a bunch of money, they're never happy. You're never satisfied.

Yeah, yeah, they are. I mean, I don't know where anybody comes from, but I live in a two-fucking-bedroom apartment my entire life, up until recently. Still might— I still do.

Here it is: Crackdown on Menu for China's Animal Eaters, from 2014 though.

So they made a—

I think that's it.

Look at those fucking striations. Oh, no wonder, porcupine.

They changed the law because of it.

Well, to I mean, I don't know if because of it, but that's why it's probably not talked about as much anymore.

The diners of southern China have long had a reputation for exotic tastes, with locals sometimes boasting they will eat anything with four legs except a table. LOL. So pangolin— so pangolin's endangered, right? Is it? Are they endangered? Wasn't that one of the things that they thought was the wet market where—

On top it says they had endangered tortoises and snakes and porcupines in cages.

And imagine you're so nasty you want to eat an endangered snake. Eating a snake alone is gross, but you're so nasty you want to— you want to eat an endangered snake?

I've had snake soup. I was in Japan and I had fucking good snake soup. It was smoked.

Was it good?

It tasted like beef.

Really?

It did. It was supposed to be, you know, make you fucking— make you very versatile.

Oh, versatile. Versatile as well, right?

Yeah, it was a black snake, of course.

Ah, yeah, I think.

Yeah.

Um, was it a poisonous thing?

That I'm not sure, but there was a bunch— it was like, this was a Michelin star restaurant, 2 Michelin star, and of course it was like French-Japanese creations and fucking quite endangered.

Really?

As endangered as I could get.

Endangered?

A little turtle, a little sea—

But some turtles are not endangered.

I know, but I don't even like to do it. It's fucking— it's just— it turns me off. It turns—

dude, I used to have turtles as pets. I used to have turtles, and at one point in time I had piranhas. Turtles are way more psychotic than piranhas. When I would feed my turtles, I'd feed my turtles goldfish, and they'd swim around and grab the goldfish and just bite them in half.

Mm.

It was crazy to watch.

Yeah, they got those powerful jaws.

And I'm looking at them, I'm like, of course, you're a little dinosaur. Just look at you. You look like a dinosaur. You have this crazy stegosaurus shell over your back.

And I don't know where—

And you're swimming through the water.

Some neck comes out like that.

Dude, they were super aggressive. See if you can find videos of turtles fucking up, uh, goldfish.

What about those big ones with their hands? Like the big snappers? Oh yeah, snapping turtles. Those are for like Bowser.

Yeah, have you ever seen one in real life?

I've, I've seen the big sea— like the big tortoise in Hawaii, but I've never seen a big snapping one.

I saw like a medium one, not a real big one, but they look so freaky. They're fucking teeth, or they're that beak thing, that mouth, jacked up neck too. Yeah, big Big fucking huge clamp-down neck. What— there's one different type. What is that one really crazy-looking snapping turtle? Is it a gar snapping turtle?

I've never—

I think it is. I just pulled up—

I've never seen this one before.

Whoa, what the fuck is that?

A mata mata turtle. Whoa, what the fuck kind of head is that? It's a triangle head.

Yeah, it's with a weird nose. That's, that's weird.

I've never seen it.

It's eating a goldfish too. There you go. Oh, he just swallows it whole. What a weird-looking creature. If you told me yesterday that this didn't exist, I would have believed you. If you told me yesterday this is AI—

what's the reasoning that a lot of these, these species go flatheads?

Hmm, good question. Mixing the bottom of that because you slip right into the shell, I'm sure.

I guess so.

I'm sure you fit better in the shell.

Hammerhead and heads like that and fucking stingrays and shit just turns flat. Flounder, right?

That's a weird one. Two eyeballs on one side.

What the fuck is that?

So this is a very timid turtle eating the goldfish. He's just— the ones that I had, they swam after the goldfish and grabbed them.

Look at this fucking thing.

Whoa, alligator snapping turtle.

Yeah, that's the one. This one is the one that turns into fucking Donatello.

Look at that face on that fucker.

See its tongue down there?

Yeah. Oh, so its tongue looks like a goldfish?

A little worm.

So it tricks them?

Yeah.

Mmm. Come get some, look. Oh snap, nature's so evil. It gave me a lure in my mouth.

Nature has no mercy, man. Nope. No mercy.

No mercy.

Um, we were talking about smoking this. I saw this today that UK has voted to to ban anyone born after 2008 to be banned from smoking.

What?

Hasn't passed. It has to— it's—

wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm gonna light up a cigar. It says—

yeah, that's a crazy one.

I thought it was kind of fake when I saw it, but I looked it up. It's on— it's— there's articles about it. It's a draft law, they say, which doesn't mean it's an actual law yet.

I think I'm opening up a fresh box for them. Fuck you. That's crazy. But that's just— we were talking about this yesterday.

They love— they love having their fucking thumb on you.

It's government. It's like when they expand government, they got to give government something to do. So what do they do? They come up with more rules and regulations, and they come up with more people to enforce those rules and regulations, even if they don't make any sense.

Pass this, pass that. I got a fucking— everyone has an idea. Every new politician has their ideas, and they all want to fucking control you.

That's what they want to do more than anything. They want to control you. That's their favorite sport. Their favorite sport is telling you what to do.

I just had a beautiful dinner with our mayor of New York, Mumdani.

How is he? You like him?

He's 34 years old, bro. I know. I've never thought that I'd be sitting at a table with a mayor who's younger than me and knows about fucking rap. And like—

Didn't he rap for a while?

I don't acknowledge that. No, but he's, you know, he's a very nice guy, you know, a nice dinner. I didn't speak politics. I'm not really one of those guys. We just talked shit.

Okay.

Yeah, what the fuck do I know? I don't know shit.

I don't know shit.

Exactly.

So the thing that I would ask, like I do, most concerned is who's financing him? What is their agenda? What are they trying to get him to do? Because it's always money. It's always about money. People are discovering New York City Mondanis.

Oh, that's a fucking crazy picture, right?

He's rapping with an apron on. What's that about?

Mr. Cardamom?

Yeah. Okay, it's a wild one.

Shame the guy for his mistakes of the past. Let's just, you know, he's just doing some wild stuff, like with taxes and things. Like he's trying to tax these billionaires.

I saw that. What I'd like him to do is— uh, yeah, sure, why not, son? What I'd like him to do is fucking help alleviate— thank you, señor. Let me take the top off help alleviate taxes for people who are born and raised New Yorkers. I shouldn't have to pay for everyone else's bullshit, right? At least give me a little break.

Not just that, but they should be responsible with where the tax dollars go. So before asking you for more taxes, clean up all the fraud. Oh my god, that's not a fucking big request. That's like a pretty, pretty simple thing to ask for. I mean, but nobody says that. All they ever say is we need to tax you more.

This year was a mess. He came into office when it was a shitstorm of literal horrible weather, and the fucking city was an honest garbage hole. It was a shit mess.

It got real bad with snow, right?

Fucking 7-foot-high piles of garbage, like disgrace.

Now why was that?

Because I don't know. I would say the union rep wasn't allowing the workers to fucking go and clean shit. You know, when they're at odds— listen, I don't know. I'm not— I'd like to get to the bottom of this.

Yeah, I don't know either.

You know, when they're at odds, they're at odds.

Well, so there was a union strike.

They don't allow— they don't allow any of the sanitation people to move a muscle unless their union rep says it's okay. You go and sit in the fucking truck and take a nap until we tell you to move, right? That's— I'm with them. Me too.

Listen, I'm with them because all the fraud that's existing in that city, all the waste that they've showed, that is one thing you should fucking pay people for because the job sucks, okay? And it's super necessary.

It's the most necessary.

Yeah, super necessary. You fucking have to pick up the garbage, goddamn it. Pay those fucking people. I mean, are they asking for unreasonable amounts? When you find out how much money you spent on the fucking homeless situation and never got better at all?

Who's—

what are they getting? I bet they're getting paid more than the garbage people.

I'm sure, but they get good pensions. Everyone works for a pension. Yeah, it's all for security. Pension, there's fucking dental. How many times are you gonna do dental?

Yeah, but you should also get paid if you're fucking— if you're moving garbage, you should get paid well, period. And for people to go, oh, it's an unskilled job, that's a backbreaking job. You're slinging around bags all day and picking up cans and yanking on levers.

Far from unskilled.

Yeah, you try and drive that fucking truck. It's also dangerous. You're hanging off the back of the truck sometimes. You're out there in the weather. It's fucking hard. You could hurt your back. It's fucking hard. It's a hard job. They should get paid well. And anybody doesn't think that is a cunt But definitely be paid well. That's the thing about this world, everybody's greedy. They want it all for themselves.

One thing they're doing, I just found online, they're adding these giant bins, which maybe is better than piles.

But my boy, yeah, they're always adding these fucking bins. Yeah, but the problem with that, Eric Adams made you buy a $100 garbage can for your house back in the day from his cousin. The problem is what I was told from my hand— my man in Middle Village.

How much?

$100. My boy Connie Gorgeous told me $100. You have to buy a fucking new garbage can for your house one way or another, no matter why, from Eric Adams' cousin.

Oh really? Show that again, Jamie.

$100.

So that actually makes more sense though, that they're doing this big, because that also probably— the problem is if it does keep the rats out, then what are the rats going to eat? Then you're going to have a bigger rat problem. New York's got a Fucking giant rat problem.

I've been seeing less lately because they're hiding. Yeah, I've been seeing less. Well, it's about to be summertime, so they're gonna come out. Once again, if they pick the fucking garbage up, there'll be less rat. Yeah, but if they stop doing all the construction— I mean, that's what breeds these rats to come out, for sure. You're digging these fucks up, you're disturbing their house.

Yeah, but they rely on people to eat. The thing is, this— it's a completely coexisting, like the monkeys in the ecosystem. It's an ecosystem. The rats and the people are an ecosystem because the rats eat human garbage and they live piled up around humans for a reason, so they could eat our garbage. And during the pandemic, it was a real fucking problem because no one was going to restaurants for a while, so the rats were everywhere. They're freaking out because they're like fucked up. They're eating each other. Rats do eat each other. I had a rat eat its eat— well, a bunch of rats ate a dead rat in my garage once. Yeah, he died. Big fat rat too. He died. I heard the trap go off, but it was like 10 o'clock at night. I was like, fuck it, I'll deal with it in the morning. I got up in the morning, there was nothing left but his tail. There was like some skin, the feet, and the tail. They ate his entire body.

Yeah, now there was a whole like garage full, like one of those, uh, I don't know, like a storage space, but in the street.

Mm-hmm.

You just heard them fucking— the gate would be knocking back and forth like they're having a goddamn underground fucking strike force in there.

That's why when people get upset about coyotes, listen, bro, I heard them recently. You need them, bro.

The fucking pack of coyotes howling and screaming during feeding in New York City.

Well, upstate they do it in New York City too. They find them in, uh, the Central Park.

Yeah, like an hour and a half away was— it's really something else.

A lot of them up there, but you need them, otherwise you're gonna have rats everywhere. Like, there's a balance to all this shit. Just don't leave your cat outside.

No. I saw a fucking owl like this outside.

Really?

Fucking in the daytime.

Let me reset this.

What is this?

Rats hiding. I think this was, uh—

oh yes, my— they fucking—

yeah, they hiding your engine, bro.

Rat ate my fucking boy's BMW engine, all the wiring.

Oh my God. They chewed up all the insulation. Well, that's just, that's not dead rats, right? What is that?

It's not alive ones.

Isn't that the stuff though? I think that's the stuff of the ceiling.

Okay, yeah.

I think it's the insulation above the roof of the, above the engine. It's just they nested in this guy's place.

Yeah, this says that the trash bins are gonna get rid of a lot of the—

how the fuck?

Yeah, but you're not gonna lower it. The thing is, didn't we figure out that the number of rats in New York City is pretty similar to the number of people?

I would, I would probably say it out, it outdoes it. How could you? It's just so small. They fucking—

they don't really know, but someone had told me that the biomass of rats was the same as the biomass of people. In New York City, meaning the weight. But we looked that up and that doesn't seem to be true.

But if it's true, that is much— it takes much more to make up one human being. So there's gonna be 10 times more.

Sometimes people read things or write things down and it's just not accurate. 'Cause like, there are a lot of cases where small things have a crazy biomass. Like I think the biomass of ants is similar to the biomass of human beings on Earth. Wow, find out if that's true. Put that into perplexity.

You ever see the ants that have that little honey butt? They have a little ball of honey on their ass.

Oh, I have seen that. What's that for?

It's a taste.

It's gonna be delicious. Come get some.

Give me that fucking ass.

Imagine if ladies started having that. That's the new thing.

I'd eat so much ass.

No nose ring now, they just have a honey pot on their ass.

That's how you capture me.

Look at this. Oh, ants on Earth together have about 20% of the biomass of all humans when measured as dry carbon mass. Okay. What about insects in general? Maybe that's where they fucked up. Do insects— what is the biomass of all insects compared to the biomass of people?

What are you typing this in? What is this? What? What?

Our lovely AI sponsor, Perplexity.

Oh, beautiful.

Yeah, on a global scale, total biomass of all insects is several times larger than human biomass. Wow, fuck that.

And all this is Smithsonian bugs. I love fucking bugs.

Do you?

I love bugs.

We're lucky they're little.

I know, you're right. There's a real, like, uh, there's a, there's a generous amount of species up where I'm at, and I really enjoy them recently. You can't be upset at them because If the area was unhealthy, they wouldn't be there.

Well, you're in upstate. Yeah, upstate's beautiful, but, um, check yourself for ticks.

Oh, I do all the time. I do.

Upstate, my boy got a lot of lime.

He got, he got bit by a tick recently. Yeah, he caught it 3 days later. He already had it, but he's good now.

Did he go and immediately get the antibiotics? That's what you got to do when you get that Lyme disease. You got to get it.

Where do you think they usually capture you? Like around the crevasses?

Yeah, like your legs, your ankles, where they climb up on your pants.

But as long as they don't go up in the fucking nether regions. Yeah, the nether region.

That would suck. But I think it's a systemic issue more than it is the initial bite. The bite though, to know that if you got Lyme disease, a couple days after the infection starts getting like a bullseye around it, and that to a lot of people is, uh, that's the, the big sign that you've got Lyme disease. But sometimes when they get to the doctor, that circle's gone and the doctor doesn't believe them. I've had this happen to a friend of mine who's a very smart guy. And him and his son both got Lyme disease, and he couldn't get the fucking doctor to believe that it was Lyme disease until his kids started getting— what's that mouth thing? Guillain-Barré? How do you say that? Guillain-Barré syndrome?

When it was—

see, like, your face— half your face gets paralyzed.

Oh, fucking— yeah, Bell's palsy, right?

But there's a name for it. I think it's Guillain-Barré is very similar because I knew a guy who had that and it was the same thing and he was diagnosed with Guillain-Barré.

Does it go back or is it?

Yeah, it went back. Dice Clay had it for a while.

Really?

Yeah, Dice Clay had half of his face and he was going on stage with it. He didn't give a fuck. Guillain-Barré syndrome, facial weakness or paralysis.

I bet you don't even know this.

With Dice, he talked about it. He brought it up. It was pretty obvious.

That's what I'm saying. He was just fucking talking about that.

It was pretty obvious. Like half his face was like this. Crazy. Half his face just wouldn't move.

Fuck. No, not good. Fucking shit happens, man. You got to just deal with things as they come.

Mm-hmm.

You can't really like— who the fuck knows what this world is about and why things happen.

Yeah, because those bitches, they're trying to get you. And those little fuckers, a large percentage of them on the East Coast carry Lyme disease for sure.

For sure. Yeah, disease, little pricks. I spray myself with a nice geranium spray.

Geranium?

Yeah, there's an elixir. There's like a natural lavender geranium oil, all kinds of shit that you spray on yourself that repels.

That doesn't make them want to bite you more?

No, no, it repels for sure. It brings other things, but it takes those guys away.

It brings in ankle bracelets.

Oh my God, ankle bracelets and fucking— and Brahma bull nose ring. Yeah, when I was in Mexico City, I was dressed I had— I bought a fucking jade, like yade. It's from over there. I bought a jade necklace that was a little bit too tight, so it looked like a choker.

Like a dog.

And my boy told me I look like I had my nipple pierced in the picture that I showed. Yeah, I looked like a fucking bear. I had circular glasses, a scruff. You could see a little bit of this scruff. Two, two chokers. Oh, this is what I'm saying. You act different on vacation, right? Two. I had a fucking amber choker. And a J choker.

You would be killing it in the Bear community. If you ever want to switch teams, you would dominate the Bear community, right?

Just do it for fun, like fuck it. Fuck some guys up. What's up?

What were we just asking? What was the question? You didn't— I thought I had a question.

I forgot. You got all off track with that comment.

Yeah, it's Bear talk. Bear talk always gets me.

Bear talk 101.

What were we just talking about before that though? Bugs, right? Bugs, ticks, Lyme disease, Guillain-Barré. There's another one that's out now. There's another disease that's out that people are getting called alpha-gal, and it's from a tick called the Lone Star tick, and it makes you allergic to red meat. That's what— that one you cannot get, my friend.

No, that's fucked up.

I don't want that for you. No, that would ruin everything in your life.

So many fucking bone-in filets, it's been crazy. I'm saying I need those gains. There's no other gains like that, right? Bison. I've been eating a lot of like gains things, I guess.

My diet is the best for that.

Sweet potatoes and game.

There you go. Sweet potatoes, phenomenal.

That's, that, that's what I, I exchanged the pasta for the sweet potato.

Are you, uh, do you eat rice? A little bit.

A touch. A touch. I hear that.

No conflicting, conflicting things. I like it.

I have white rice.

There's a lot of things that I eat that I like. I just eat them because I like it. Like when I'm eating spaghetti, I'm under no illusion.

Yeah, now you know what you're eating.

I know what I'm doing. I'm not under an illusion.

You like a good pasta, I know that.

I do.

Evan Funk pasta, right? Oh yeah, I know you like a good Evan Funk.

That dude, that dude can cook.

I had him, I had him on my show early on, like before all his, like, his, his success and just kicked it off. I loved his— he's a fucking true man.

And he— when you care like that—

yeah, there's another guy, Stefan Setchuk, in New York. Oh my God, Stefano Setti is another sicko. Make amazing amatarano, you know, it's all about the wooden dowel. That's how they make the pasta. It's all old style, nothing extruded, all with the thing. Yeah, yeah.

Evan's places, you could watch them make the pasta, you know, like mother— he's got Mother Wolf, he's got Funk— is it Funky or Funk? How do you pronounce that?

I have no idea. I call him Funk. It's like Terry Funk, right?

Probably Funk.

No, I thought he was Terry Funk's cousin.

Are they making tortellini here?

No, that's, that's, that's Stefano.

Oh my God, look how good that looks.

This man right here, when I went to Osteria Francescana in Modena, you know, I love how you said that. Yeah, Massimo Battura's place. It was like the number one restaurant for many years. He was the chef there that was making all the food. He was like a young man. And then when he opened his restaurant, Res D'Oro, in New York, it was like He takes such good care of my mother as well. Like, yo, he— they, they just go above and beyond.

He's a beautiful guy. This is art. Like, the way he's making this food, this is art. This is a work of art. He's performing.

Who'd I have? I had fucking Devin Haney in the kitchen with me making pasta with him.

Oh really? That's great.

You know, I like to bring these guys in and do weird things.

Mm-hmm. That's crazy. That's awesome.

Devin Haney making pot— Bro, Yuri, bro.

I know.

Holy fuck, that was crazy.

Crazy.

What an animal. Well, I mean, how ridiculous. I was so— it's like, it's—

you kind of gotta look at it two ways, right?

Like, oh shit, yeah, you got to look at it two ways.

One, you got to look at it from Yuri's perspective, like he had it there, the fight was over, the guy was hurt, and it— but you also look at from Carlos's perspective. Carlos Olberg is hurt. He can't move his right leg. They're probably gonna stop it in between rounds. And Yuri, he can't move. So Yuri's just pot-shotting him. And he's kicking his one good leg. He's kicking his one good leg, and then boom! He clips him with a left hook.

I mean, with the one punch that he's known for.

Not just that.

The step-back hook.

The one punch that you can throw if your right leg is hurt. A check hook.

Crazy.

'Cause when you— the check hook is one of the— like, Alexander Volkanovski actually did a really good breakdown of this on YouTube. But what he was talking about is the check hook, you put all the weight on the front leg a lot. Because as the person's coming, a lot of the weight as you uncork the punch is on that front leg. And Olberg's— that's a snake. Like, the way he throws that left hook is so fast.

It's perfect. It was the perfect punch. He threw one just to get the distance on the first one, and then— Clipped him again.

Perfect.

But Yuri, man, so Yuri said it looked like— I watched, I know you were watching as well, watching in real time, but it just looked like he got upset that he hurt his knee and he was like, fuck, fuck.

He clearly did get upset. I really do think that he got upset. I do think that's true, but it makes no difference on— it doesn't matter. Carlos got him. Yeah, Carlos got him. He fucked up.

Clean win.

But that's part— yeah, it's part of fighting. Like, you have to be ruthless. Like, Khalil Rountree is one of the nicest guys you're ever gonna meet. When he fought Modestus Bukakis, he sidekicked his knee sideways and blew it apart.

That was crazy. That was nuts.

And Khalil is one of the nicest guys alive. With such power. But when you're in there, he's trying to do it to you, you're trying to do it to him, and if his leg gets blown out, you have to take advantage of it 'cause he would take advantage of it on you.

I've been watching for a long time. I've been watching Khalil for a long time, since the beginning. I remember the change when he went to Thailand, right? Oh, yeah. There was this change. He came back from Thailand, and that's what he did. That was his first fight. He was fucking—

the first fight.

Yeah, and he looked totally different.

Yeah, me and DC were like, what happened?

This is because he was always with the front leg and just like all time.

He was super sharp. He was super sharp.

That was nuts.

Yeah. So that's it. Oh my God, so horrible to watch.

Oh my—

just perfect sidekick to the knee, just blew his shit apart. That guy was out for over a year. I mean, that's one of the gnarliest Oh, it's so nasty when you see it sideways.

Oh, because it started at the thigh.

I don't want to see it, Jamie. Stop, stop, stop, stop.

Oh, bro, it started.

Show me some, um, Khalil Rountree versus Eric Anders. So Eric Anders is one of the toughest fucking human beings to ever live, for sure, because he was getting lit up. His legs were getting destroyed, and he never even flinched. He never even made an owl face. It was never like, ah, there's nothing. He just dead stoic the entire time. And then I asked him afterwards, oh, fuck yeah, that shit hurt.

But guys like Eric Anders, he's been in the UFC for 10 years.

Yeah.

Decent career.

Super smart guy. But he, you know, invested his money, bought a bunch of houses.

Oh, really?

Very clever.

That's great.

Very smart. Yeah, he's smart.

That's good to know.

Yeah, he's planning and he's just a cool dude to talk to. But when Khalil came, like, we were looking at him, it's like he's moving like a Thai, like hand movements, everything.

Yeah, he came back totally different. That light front foot.

Yeah, it was like full-on Muay Thai. And Khalil's always been super fast. Like, one of his strengths is that he can hit guys before they even calculate. Like, his speed when he's like really going after you, like in the Jamal Hill fight, he's got speed that confuses guys because they're like, oh shit, like you got to recalibrate because this guy moves faster than any of the middleweights. Nasty. He's a light heavyweight.

It's nasty. Like, just He's like—

well, I shouldn't say any middleweight, but he moves like a middleweight. That's what I should say. He's got like middleweight speed but a light heavyweight frame. And he just started lighting him up with like pure Thai technique. And this was the perfect kind of showcase for him because Eric's not like a big wrestler.

Yeah.

Eric's kind of a brawler.

Oh, yeah.

And with a guy like Khalil, especially since Eric fights southpaw— so when you fight southpaw and Khalil fights southpaw, it really opens up that left leg to get attacked— or the right leg, excuse me. Excuse me, to get attacked because your power leg is behind you. Whereas you're fighting normal people that are orthodox, it's usually you have to kick them with an inside kick if you're a southpaw. But southpaw to southpaw like this, Khalil just can light that leg on fire. Oh, it was fucking— it was— but it was the sound it was making. Like, when we were there, this was, this was memorably different. Well, he had just gotten really tuned in, man, when he was in Thailand. He got really tuned in, particularly Oh, you already got it in the second round.

It's particularly the first round before this, right, which made him go there, which made him go to Thailand.

Johnny Walker. Yeah, so Johnny Walker clipped him with an elbow from the clinch. He hit him with a Thai elbow and KO'd him. Oh yeah, back when Johnny Walker was like very explosive and Johnny Walker was, uh, very wild. He fought wild. He fights more calculated now.

Yeah, after— I mean, I feel like after the worm, it was a wrap.

After he hurt himself, that worm thing was crazy.

Like the shoulder is one of the worst things to hurt and then get surgery on. It never comes back, right?

He blew it apart doing the fucking— was just doing the worm. Yeah, just have, you know, having a good time. I think that was— was that Misha Surkurnov? I don't know who he fought during that fight, but it was— he fought a good guy. And it's like Johnny Walker, when he was winning in the early days of his fights in the UFC, he was just— yeah. It's Surkanov, right? Yeah, like that kind of shit, like these flying elbows, like wild, reckless. But he got KO'd a few times by some really technical people, and then he tried to be— yeah, right there, like he fucked his elbow, his shoulder up.

I've jumped on the bed like that and hurt my fucking arm. You know when you jump on the bed?

Yeah, he blew it apart. You forget that your arm is connected. Like that, and like immediately blew his shoulder out. Oh God, that's so silly.

Fucking horrible. Look at him, looks like he could kill himself.

Oh, you can see it pop out.

Terrible, bro. Yeah, terrible. Some people just shoot themselves in the dick.

I know they do. Yeah, there's a lot of people that do. A lot of people ruin their, their life for no fucking reason. They can't help it.

I go through life trying not to shoot myself in the dick.

Yeah, me too, right? It's like one of my cardinal rules. Cardinal I think everybody should abide by that. Don't shoot yourself in the dick if you can avoid it.

If you could avoid it. If not, thank you, sir.

But, you know, fighters are wild people. They're doing a wild thing. Like, it's part of what makes them great is that they take these crazy chances. They're just nuts.

What am I, silly?

Oh, you lift the top.

Where?

The top top. It flips back. There you go. And then push that button up. There you go.

I'm used to a torch.

Mm, I hear you.

I'm excited for this.

Uh, the Uri thing was like— sorry, no, no, I was gonna say, but the Uri thing was like, I understand his perspective, you know, that he did fuck up and he could have attacked and been smarter, but you can't— you can't have that excuse. He really was upset. You could tell he was upset right when Karl Solberg's knee blew out, but But here's the thing that impressed me the most.

He's upset at him for fucking blowing his knee out. What are you gonna do?

Well, he was upset at the moment, right? He wanted it to be a clean victory, right? But Carlos wasn't upset. That was what I was most impressed with. That guy never lost composure. He tried a switch kick, a jumping switch kick to the head.

To see if it worked.

And his leg fell out again, and he fell down again and scrambled. But he never lost composure. He never showed anxiety in his face. Just a stone-cold killer looking for his moment, and he found it. Yep. CKB, guys, a world champion. That's a world champion. I mean, that's, that's how you really become a world champion. You have a blown-out knee and you find a way to KO a guy who's this wild, aggressive, awkward dude, you know, and he's coming after you. You got a blown-out knee and you just— bink— perfect fucking left hook.

Those guys from the South Pacific are a different breed.

Well, no, he certainly is. I mean, he's just a lot—

just mentality.

I mean, camp, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

The camp is unheard of.

Yeah, the camp is phenomenal. Eugene Bearman, the guy who's the head coach, super fucking smart dude.

I went down there 2018. I went down there and I saw Izzy before the Brunson fight, and it was like in the old CKB, and I had them come through and Eugene came out. I was DJing in New Zealand for an evening, my friend's restaurant.

I had a— awesome.

Yeah, it was dope.

Oh, that's cool. You were DJing at a restaurant?

I was DJing. You know, I play all kinds of fucking weird, like '70s funk, African music, Brazilian music.

Mm-hmm.

I just happened to be down there and everyone came through. It was a good time.

Oh, here's something that people are saying is real that's not, but I found out today. Everyone's saying that Khamzat Chimaev and Gordon Ryan are gonna wrestle.

It's not true. RAF? Yeah, I like RAF.

I like RAF too.

I like, I like this. It's like something new and exciting.

Sure.

I don't particularly love the, the action. I, I like wrestling, but it's not as exciting as the, like, the entirety of the event, you understand?

Right.

Like, I know the press conference, the people involved, the actual moves. I prefer fighting and just like a different type of like combat, but it still gets me going. I enjoy it a lot.

Look, it's the most important skill in MMA.

The most important skill, but I like when you mix it. I don't like it singularly.

I understand.

More than anything else.

I understand, but the reality is, in order to be at an elite level, you have to do it by itself. I think for the most part.

100%.

Georges St-Pierre might be an example of a guy who violates that law. Because George didn't really wrestle in college or high school. He learned how to wrestle from a bunch of Russian nationals in Montreal.

Well, that works also. If you didn't start wrestling when you're 5 years old, that's the other way to do it. George, 2, 3 years Dagestan, that's it, right? Forget it.

And forget—

I mean, I'm excited. I'm excited for Khamzat and Sean Strickland because I'm— it'll be in Newark.

I'm gonna be there.

Yeah, for sure, dawg.

I'll be right there.

I'll be there too.

Yeah, you'll be there. The White House thing I'm excited for too. I want to ask to go, but I don't know if it's— it's a lot. Seems like a lot of fucking hoopla. I might just watch it on TV.

I would watch that on TV if I wasn't working there. I think the Strickland and Khamzat fight is gonna be very interesting. Strickland is not an easy guy to take down, and he's not an easy guy to hold down. And he's a very difficult guy to hit on his feet. He's got a super awkward style. His style is very clever. It's very different. It's not something that's easy to replicate as far as timing.

He reminds me of Bhop.

A little bit, right?

He reminds me of like Bhop, but just a little bit more slop— not sloppy, just a little bit more loose. Loose and wild.

Yeah, loose and wild. And then also it's because he has other options. Right? It's cuz he's kicking, it's cuz he's taking you down. He's causing scrambles. His teep off his front leg's phenomenal.

And Steve just throws good straight punches, man. Just good hard straight punches.

His fucking jab is so accurate. You know, people think of a jab as like, you know, it's not that big a deal. That guy thumps you in the face with a jab 3, 4 times, you're kind of fucked. Your nose is broken, bleeding, or at least bleeding.

Well, there's 3 kinds of jabs. There's the soft one, then there's that step in, there's a fucking hard jab, you know, like throws them all.

Yeah, that guy Azamat Mazurkanov.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He just lost to Paulo Costa.

Yeah, Paulo fucked him up.

But that guy has one of the most evil jabs. He like steps forward and he'll like jab hooks at you.

Yeah, he turns that bitch on.

Yeah, it's almost like a hook.

Yeah.

And he knocked out, fuck, what is his name? Uh, Rokic. He knocked out Rokic with that one punch, stepped in with the jab.

Rakic's chin went down a couple fights ago, but you know, Rakic is a—

he's been in some wars.

He's in some war, but he's now—

it was a good fight until that moment. But Mazurkanov, I was so impressed that he just wouldn't abandon that strategy of going after Paulo Costa.

He's— I mean, Paulo looked good. He looked fucking phenomenal.

If I was in his corner, I would say, dude, never go back to middleweight. You are a fucking light heavyweight champion.

He's really— yeah, 400%. He's a light heavyweight champion, 1 million percent.

And while this guy, while Carlos Olberg, is gonna be out for a year because he's gonna have to get ACL reconstruction, he could be the interim light heavyweight champion. Like, no doubt, man. I really think he could pull that off, dude. At light heavyweight, he's fucking terrifying.

It's crazy. He looks like the Pacquiao of old.

Oh man, when he was destroying people on his way up through the ranks, man.

That's what I'm saying. Like, to see him go from there and then to like have those little hiccups and shit like that and it almost seemed like he was a joke at one point when Izzy humped him, made it— just made him look fucking so less than as a human being when he's really just—

Izzy mindfucked him.

Yeah, he fucking— yeah, he fucked him over for a couple years, right?

For a couple years. That's how crazy that fight was.

He just cut— he's just coming back now. The Luke Rockhold, I think, helped him.

Mm-hmm.

But even Luke almost fucking knocked him out.

That was a great fight.

But why you put that in Utah? Wasn't it in Utah?

High altitude. Yeah, good point.

Yeah, if that was somewhere else, I don't know.

Well, it was a great fight.

Yeah, it was fun.

And that was like Luke's like last really great performance where he still looked like a world-caliber fighter, for sure. But I think Khamzat against Azamat was the best Khamzat— excuse me, when I think Paulo Costa against Azamat was the best Paulo Costa I've seen in a long time. I mean, he looked better because he looked physically stronger. Like, being at light heavyweight didn't at all look like a stretch. In fact, it looked like a better place for him. Like, when I was listening to the sound of his punches and his kicks, it was even harder than before. He didn't look fat at all. He looked like a perfect light heavyweight. Like, I think he's probably, at least at this stage in his life, because I think Paulo's like 34 now.

He has to be.

It would be way better for him to compete at light heavyweight. And there's not a lot of people on the line.

Yeah, at light heavyweight, 34 is almost prime. Yes, like at light heavyweight, that's a great age.

Sure. Well, that was like when Izzy was on top of shit, he was around 34. Jon Jones was a little younger. Well, Jon Jones, youngest fucking champion in history, that's a different guy. But like, when you look at Paulo Costa's performances and then you look at this last one, you're like, that might be the best Paulo Costa of all time. He looked fucking phenomenal, and he ate some big shots from Azamat and just didn't even flinch. No, didn't even flinch.

I can't even imagine imagine how that man cuts to 185. It's truly unbelievable. That muscle mass that goes away during that, it's just—

it's like weakens him. It weakens him. Fully depletes your body. Yeah, I think him at 205 is really the way to go because I guarantee you he's probably walking around at about like 230 or something.

He might even be a good fucking heavyweight too.

He said if Derrick Lewis falls out of the Whitehouse card, he'll step in and fight at heavyweight.

Well, it makes sense to fight Josh Hokan at that weight because they're both similar body types. I'm not similar, he's a lot more—

How dare you. How dare you compare?

Excuse me, I meant weight-wise. They're both around 240, but they look a lot different. A lot different.

I don't know if Hokage is ready for that yet. That's crazy. Unless he could take Paulo down, he's gonna get— that's a shit.

It's fun.

It'll be fun because he'll go after him.

He's gonna go after him. He's giving—

Curtis Blades is very different than Paulo Costa when it comes to striking. Paulo Costa is fucking terrifying.

But I've also shook— how do you say? Shook and shake?

Shook his hand?

I shook Curtis Blade's hand.

Oh, the giant.

It's fucking 4 times the size of a normal hand.

Oh yeah, Curtis Blade's huge hand.

To be punched by that hand that many times and to not go down is pretty impressive.

Well, also impressive for Curtis. Curtis had a blown-out eye socket, a broken nose.

Curtis is the man. I love Curtis. He's a good dude.

Incredible heart. Incredible heart. He just did not— after all that shit that Josh Hooker talked, he did not want to lose that man. He gave everything he had. There was not a moment of quit in that fight for Curtis.

Yeah, he could have scored it for him if he wanted.

Well, I don't think so.

You could, nah, but you could.

I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think that would be reasonable. But he certainly gave a great account of himself.

Many things are unreasonable.

Yeah, but that's not fair.

Nah, you're right, it's egregious. It could be.

He might have won a round, but the most important thing is like, that guy, he gave it what he had. He gave it— he could be proud. He could be proud. That guy, there's not— there's no question at all, that guy left nothing. There was nothing left in the tank at the end of that third round, you know, and that's all you could ever ask.

It's a fucking beautiful fight to watch, especially from heavyweights, man.

But it makes me sad too because I'm like, boy, you can only do a few of those.

That's probably the last one.

I mean, I always go back to that, of that— the Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos ones.

Nasty, nasty.

Those were so hard to watch, man.

Nasty stuff.

Because Cain just didn't get tired. Being in there with a guy like Cain who didn't get tired, you're constantly getting punched in the face, constantly, and it's just nothing but heart keeps you there until the 5th round.

Cain, man, I just want to shake Cain's hand, give him a hug.

He's out.

Yeah, I know.

We were trying to get him on the podcast before he went in, but the judge wouldn't allow it. Really? Yeah, I definitely have him on now though. I love Cain. He's in my top— I don't think there's a GOAT, a real GOAT in heavyweight because I think there's times where one guy would have beaten all the other guys.

Of course, everyone had their moments though.

Yeah, he's in the GOAT category for sure. There's a good— I would say in heavyweight there's a GOAT category. You got to put Stipe in there because he defended the heavyweight title more than anybody. He beat Ngannou when Ngannou was in his fucking prime and got rocked a bunch of times.

That was a crazy fight too.

Crazy fight. Crazy fight. Crazy fight. So you got to give it to him. He's, he's always gonna be in the GOAT category. Cain, Fedor, of course. Fedor is like the real connoisseur, the real hardcore MMA heads. They're like, Fedor is the GOAT.

He's the one.

I always say everybody forgets about Fabricio Werdum because Fabricio Werdum tapped Cain Velasquez, Minotauro Nogueira, and Fedor. And he tapped Fedor when Fedor was Fedor. Like, everybody looks at a guy, like, when he lost a bunch of fights, or they didn't go so well for him, and later in his career, he's in his late 30s. When you look at Fabricio Werdum in his prime, he's in that range, man. He beat Cain Velasquez, he beat Mark Hunt with a flying knee to win the title.

He has that resume, man. I mean— Bro! At that time, those are heavy hitters.

Bro! I mean, he beat the best of the best. He beat them all. And he tapped 3 of the all-time greats. Those are— Minotauro for sure, when he was in Pride, he's in GOAT category. But then you got to give it a little more— like, Fedor is a notch above him because Fedor beat him and beat him with ground and pound. But then the other guys are Cain, and you know, you always got to think Cain, prime Cain, against anybody ever, man, who knows? Prime Cain was just an unstoppable tornado of punches and takedowns, and no, no, no tired, no fatigue. It's not coming. Like you think he's gonna get tired, he's never gonna get tired. He's gonna keep punching in the face. Top tier wrestling. And fucking Fabricio tapped him too.

And he's Mexican.

Yeah, right, he's Mexican. A lot of Mexicans have great cardio, man.

They have great cardio and unbelievable fucking heart and chin.

I wonder if it's from high-altitude genetics, you know, like you were saying, like warriors, this warrior genetics, right?

It's 100%, 100%. Volkanovski has the same thing. Just from a different type of— right, a different type of indigenous tribe, you know. Yeah, the Macedonians and the crazy fucking— the up in the mountain people, right, that are 5'6" with hands like fucking—

Murab.

Oh my god, Murab Dovahishvili.

Also warrior genetics, 100%.

Yeah, that dude, I've never— a lot of these athletes, if they had It's like if they had a little size, they'd be playing any professional sport, right? You know?

Oh yeah, for sure. Especially if you have the mental toughness to reach championship level.

But I've also seen a lot of fighters can't throw a fucking baseball. Like, a lot of times they can't do anything else. Like, I grew up playing baseball. I could play every single sport because of the dexterity baseball showed me. I feel like baseball and basketball are the main sports to show the child early to create dexterity.

That's a good sport for competitive drive.

And gymnastics. I've heard Khabib say that you keep your child in gymnastics till they're 10, then they could do martial arts. I'm following father's plan.

Well, that's actually very smart because then you develop like crazy body control.

I was fucking shredded. Mm-hmm. 6 years old, shredded.

Yeah, right, from gymnastics.

Never had an ab, not even as a child. I've always had a fucking— a little bubble. I've always been a little bubba.

Hey man, it's part of your charm.

It is, it is part of my— if I was shredded, I wouldn't be as likable.

Yeah, you think so? Let's find out.

Let's find out because I'll be fucking shirtless everywhere posing. This light, they might not like that. Try this one.

Yeah, this light is died out on me. Oh, I buy them new and they still die out quick.

Gotta get you a torch.

This is a—

I mean, that's like a mini— that's like a little mini— you gotta get you to like a mini welder. The mini welding one works well. Wow, underwater welding torches for the cigars.

So this Khamzat and Strickland thing, to me it's going to be what— what can Khamzat do on the feet? Can he clip him? And can Strickland stop the takedown?

I don't even— like, it's so hard to even think anybody could stop Khamzat right now at anything.

It's true.

It's like you're not even gonna get to throw hands with him. He's just gonna be smiling, laughing. You think he's gonna fucking take you down and manhandle you like no one's ever been manhandled before.

His timing and his takedowns is fucking insane.

It's crazy. So good watching the training, the speed. And he's like— it's equivalent to like Allen Iverson doing a crossover.

Mm-hmm.

He's doing it with that type of like Flair.

If I was gonna make an argument against it, I would say he's handling guys that don't have a big background in elite wrestling. They're not like elite grapplers. The guy that he fought that was an elite grappler gave him problems. No, Gilbert Burns, for sure. But that was—

Gilbert Burns fucked him up.

He did, but that was like more stand-up fucking him up. Yeah, but Gilbert Burns, if he took him down, like, Gilbert can get back up to his feet.

He's one of the most elite players on the floor, right?

Especially back then, you know. Gilbert just retired.

Yeah, I know.

Congratulations, Gilbert.

Tremendous career.

Tremendous. But he— they were, they were banging it out. And Hamzat fought a completely different kind of fight. He tried to like slug it out. I think his ego got in the way because Gilbert clipped him a couple times, dropped him, rocked him. Gilbert was a wild boy.

I was fucking screaming during that one.

He, in his prime, Gilbert was so fucking game. He was so game, so dangerous, man. He knocks people out. So I was gonna say Kamaru, Kamaru Usman, and that was a short-notice fight that Kamaru took at 185.

Unbelievable fight.

And in the third round, Kamaru was winning. I was like, this would have been very interesting if it was a 5-round fight.

100%. I feel like, I mean, it's hard to predict, but Kamaru had the, he had the momentum, 100%.

If it was a 5-round fight and if Kamaru had a full camp, because when you're taking a fight on that short notice like that, you don't trust in your win. Wind like you would trust in your wind if you just went through 12 weeks of hell where you just know you're in fucking tippy-top.

Like, that's me barking also.

I'm sure he's always barking. He's such a warrior. When he gets in there, he fights like it doesn't matter.

I mean, you know, he would— they were in the wrestling positions for a while where he like, he wasn't able to really do much, you know, like, as far as defended, he wasn't able to do anything. That's what I'm saying. It was like a stalemate kind of.

They were just like there where with everybody else Hamza basically ragdolls him, mounts him, gets him down, just rolls you around.

It was like a fucking video game, like Rolling Thunder.

That was crazy. And him and Kevin Holland had so many words before that too, so there's a lot of anger in that, you know. That was crazy.

I was a wild—

that was really— and they had like gotten some sort of an altercation before that at another event, so there was bad blood there. So it was like Hamza just wanted to prove a point.

Yeah, that You know, these guys aren't really playing. They play by a different set of rules coming from that block.

Yeah, that's a fucking—

that's a different block.

It's a war zone, son. They're used to actual fights for sure. Yeah, like to stay alive. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, scary shit, man. That's a fight though. It's a really interesting fight. It's— we're gonna know real soon, like early on in the fight, whether or not Strickland can avoid the takedown. And whether or not Khamzat can hit him and whether or not he could avoid getting hit, because Strickland will set some traps. He's sneaky with his striking, very clever, very clever with the striking.

I mean, the— also, Khamzat had the issue coming off of that, off of COVID He had that long, long COVID where his lungs were fucked for a while.

Well, you know what that was? He wouldn't stop training. So he got COVID and trained hard like a fucking psychopath all through COVID to the point where he was getting bleeding out of his lungs.

No fucking shit.

He was coughing up blood. He just— apparently he's an animal. They just can't keep him out of the gym. They just can't keep him out of the gym. And so he kept training while he had COVID, like, and it got real bad to the point where he was hospitalized.

That's— I don't— that's a different type of level of being able to just like push past like physical sickness, because COVID fucked up.

Push past the point where you're almost dead.

Yeah, but also like—

And you're still showing up doing rounds.

I think I had mentioned this, but I was training with Plinio and Pereira before the first Ankalaev fight, and we got sick the same way.

Oh, wow.

Neuro. Everyone, like, I was sick.

Norovirus, right?

No, Theo Braugh was fucking so sick, and he went and did the fight.

Mm-hmm.

Did the whole thing. He was as sick as me, apparently.

That was that first Ankalaev fight?

The first Ankalaev fight. I fucking literally was knocked out for 10 days. And this motherfucker's training, traveling, and fighting with the norovirus. Yeah, for the championship. And it wasn't— it wasn't— it wasn't a Pereira fight, but it was not horrible.

No, it wasn't terrible. He lost. But then the second fight, I was like, holy shit.

I see them training now, bro. He looks like a fucking behemoth at 250.

He's in 260s now. Holy shit. He said they weighed in at 263, bro.

That's— to him at 263 is scary.

It's That guy fought at 185 just a couple years ago.

Yeah, well, this is, this is his true body type. He's, he's meant to be a cowboy, you know. He's like a fucking Brazilian cowboy.

Amazon Warrior genes, same shit we're talking about. That's what he is.

It's the bone density stuff. It's not— it's like, it's true genetics, indigene. It's true. It's really— you look at certain people and you see the past, right?

I see warriors, bro. Yeah, when that song comes out, it's—

chants were made to excite, they would— they did to conjure up spirit. That's what he fucking does. He's conjuring up spirit. That's why Yuri was so scared. He was gonna shrink his head.

Yuri asked him in the second fight to not use spiritual warfare.

So good. That's— come on, there's no— there's no— there's— there's no movie that could write this type of script. I love this shit.

Yeah, I felt bad for Yuri, but I felt great for Carlos at the same time.

It's like, I love that whole team, that shit, and all those boys out there. Yeah, they're great guys.

It's like, look, I get it, it's a hard pill to swallow. I get it, you did back off. I get it. But also, that guy just—

you can only blame yourself on that one.

He found a way to win, found a way to win in the most spectacular way possible.

That's the only thing that should really be spoken about, is his will and his, like, his his ability to fight through that, bro. Torn ACL, they're carting you off the fucking field.

I know.

Everyone's crying that their career is over in football. Carting you off the field with your heads like that. This dude's fucking knocking homie out for the, for the light heavyweight championship.

Fucking crazy.

So to, to have that type of will in you, you could only just be mesmerized by that.

I know, it's nuts, man. Think about it, like how many great fights are out there to be had, how many great fights have been had. I mean, those moments like that, that's like— you can't— that, that's one of the things that makes a sport so exciting. Like, you couldn't have imagined that he would blow his knee out, and then you couldn't have imagined that Yuri would pause and not know what to do, and then you couldn't have imagined that Carlos would knock him out.

That's perfectly— let me ask you something about the footing in the octagon. Did his foot slip Was this slippery in there?

I think it was just a placement issue.

Oh, he placed it wrong.

And yeah, sometimes in scrambles, you know, you're moving weird.

And so he overextended. He missed—

looks like it just blew out, man, because that shit just— there's a video of Carlos blowing his knee out, and it looks like they're in the middle of a wild exchange. He moves his foot in a certain way and it just pops, and you can see it go up the back of his leg.

It ripped up. It was nasty.

It's nasty. Yeah, it's horrible, and it's gonna take a long time for that thing to be better again, but he won. He won champion. And then Paulo Costa, interim champ. If I was the fucking captain of the ship, that's what I would do. I'd go, hey Paulo, you're a fucking star. Maybe Ankalaev. I mean, I know, I know that Pereira just knocked him out, but he deserves to be in. So here it is. So he placed his leg weird. And pushed off and it just blew out.

See, it looked like he was on just a freak movement. He didn't step on the, on the paw of the foot. He stepped more on the, on the inside like that, like the angle of the, of the step.

Well, it was definitely weird because they're in the middle of a scramble, you know.

But look at him, and look at his athleticism right there, the way he just spun off that and stayed on that left leg. Yeah, no, that's nasty.

When that happens, your leg is just so unstable. The crazy thing is there's guys in the UFC—

see how it's like that—

fight with no ACL. They have no ACL and they fight in the UFC. I know Rafael dos Anjos was doing that for a while. He had no ACL and he's fighting in the UFC.

I mean, was that his— during his decline? Or was he—

he was still pretty close to the top. He had lost the title, but he was still pretty close to the top. We were still fucking a lot of people up.

He's just another breed also.

Well, that guy, the conditioning, that guy was sculpted. Dos Anjos in his prime looked like somebody made him out of marble. He looked like he belonged at the Vatican.

I know I was— you know, every time I tell people I'm gonna come see you, they always say, yo, can you ask him this? Can you ask him that? I started fielding questions for you.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry about that.

For what?

For you getting those questions?

No, I like it.

Oh, you do?

I like it.

What are the questions?

So ridiculous.

What's the most ridiculous one?

I don't remember, it's all silly. But one good one is like, when you're gonna have Mirko Krokop here?

Oh, actually talk to him.

I was in Croatia because my boy during the summer, and I talked in the same neighborhood as him that I trained with my boy Dean. He's literally a Croatian. He looks like fucking Mirko, throws the leg, bald-headed, fucking— he looks like he's, uh, like he's a— like he's driving BMW M5 for sure.

I would definitely have Mirko on. He's a legend.

Need to hear from him.

Yeah, he's a legend and he's very funny. I've seen him in interviews before.

I was wondering whether he spoke English or not, but he speaks pretty good. Perfect.

Good enough. Yeah, definitely good enough to have a conversation. I was watching him versus Fedor today.

Mmm, that was crazy.

I think that was like 2000. Look at him, man.

Jack, that's unbelievable right there.

How old is Mirko now?

That's a recent picture.

Yeah, phenomenal shape. I mean, he's got to be 50. How old is Mirko now?

That stuff doesn't go away when it's real, man.

51. Shredded. That's some shredded son. Yeah, he was an animal in his prime, boy. He was the, the first kickboxer to really start doing well in MMA because he was so explosive. See, a lot of the other guys like Ernesto Hoost or Peter Aerts, they were real technical, but they set things up.

Slappers for the most part.

They were setting things up.

Setting it up, yeah.

But with Mirko, he would just explode on you.

Fucking explode your liver, explode your head with those fucking kicks, man.

He was so fast and so explosive that when he entered into MMA, he had a kind of advantage. This is back when they let him fight with shoes on. Mirko with shoes on is a crazy proposition.

That's nuts. I just— I've seen— I see a guy like this, I go, that's a giant.

Yeah, he's a giant. But I mean, so, man, Choi, he was like 7+ feet tall.

So when you find a skeleton of a person like this— oh yeah, giants are real.

Oh yeah, definitely.

They're around now too, right?

Definitely.

Yeah, but he doesn't look like he has gigantic—

no, he does. He does.

He does. But he— no, but you know, like, most of those guys are unathletic. Their knees are knocking. Right, right, right. He doesn't seem unathletic.

I see what you're saying.

You know, he has more like— he looks like he's kind of on his toes, you know, like he moves well. Yeah, like his legs are working in the right way. He has proper athleticism.

Well, there's another guy that beat Fedor, Bigfoot Silva.

Yeah, but he looked like he had fucking giant face.

Yeah, yeah.

NBA Victor Wembanyama is—

again, Wembanyama's like 7'4".

That's crazy.

It doesn't look like he moves as well as he does.

He's 22 years old.

Fucking praying mantis.

Shouldn't be able to do this stuff. He dribbles behind his back, he shoots threes, bro.

Do you watch them?

7-foot-4 is crazy.

Crazy.

I do watch the NBA though, sometimes. All right, 7-foot-4 is different when you weigh 190 pounds, right? You know, 7-foot-4 like Rick Smith's back in the day, or like dudes who have a little weight on them, look different.

This guy is 235, but that's unbelievable. Believe that?

He probably is.

No, he's 235, but he's so big.

He's still getting bigger too. He's got a little brother that's not even in the NBA yet.

He's like— this kid is going to— this is the future.

Maybe 16 or 17, his younger brother. And he's still growing. He's, I don't know, 6'10" now.

Yeah. This is— this is ridiculous. This is the future right here of sports.

Superhumans.

Humans.

Right. So that if you go back to the Bible, it's like the league football.

There are giants.

Yeah, there are giants.

They've been around.

Well, look at the guys in Iceland, like the mountain.

My favorite people.

Yeah.

John Paul Sigmarsson, one of my favorite strongmen of all time. All the Icelandic heroes.

I know, right? All Vikings, bro. Giant humans.

Uh, Hafþór Björnsson, he's the guy from, um, Game of Thrones.

Yeah, yeah, that's the mountain.

Yeah, he's the mountain. But bro, I guess, you know, World's Strongest Man taught me about the world. It taught me about how to pronounce names and yeah.

Magnus von Magnussen.

Magnus Ver Magnussen. That's who it is. There's all Icelandic legends. Yeah, Jean-Paul Sigmundsson, Magnus Ver— Jani Virtanen and Jukka Holla from Finland. Like, well, I have so many genetics in that part of the world. Unreal Vikings. Like Viking genetics.

Yeah, but that's like— that's— you want to know what a Viking looked like? That's what they looked like. That's— those guys showed up with a fucking gigantic boat filled with animals, swinging swords, just ready to kill everybody in your village. Fun.

Swinging that fucking mace, swinging the hammer. May I have that, please? Yeah, yeah, man.

I'm rewatching Game of Thrones. I'm on the final season now.

I've never seen it.

Goddamn, it's good.

I need to— I've been watching Mobland. Good.

That's great fucking— Tom Hardy kills it.

I love Tom Hardy. That's my man. Yeah, but fucking Pierce Brosnan kills it.

Holy Kills it. And, uh, what is the woman's name again? Uh, Helen Mirren.

Oh my God, she's so good. Maeve.

She's so good.

What a fucking legendary cast. I really like that show a lot.

Yeah, that's amazing. That's Guy Ritchie.

Yeah, Guy Ritchie's the fucking— you can find the part for me. I could— I can't do an accent.

You could learn. You can learn an accent, bro. Let's try it out right now. Try it out.

Which one?

Irish?

Liverpool. Oh, fuck.

There you go. You're in.

I've been there. I'm a scouser.

You could do it.

You have to just—

you would live with Paddy Pimblett for like a week.

Meatball Molly.

Yeah, I want to live with Paddy and Meatball Molly. They'll teach you how to talk scouser.

And I want to box.

There you go. Don't come—

I just want to throw hands. I just love fucking— like, I just want to— I love boxing.

Yeah, for real.

I love it. But remember how you were trying to show me how to throw kick? I've just stopped kicking.

Yeah, you gave up.

I'm not a kicker.

You don't have to be.

I'm not a kicker. I'm a choker. I'd like to be a choker.

You could learn how to kick.

I could.

You could learn. I'm just gonna learn how to stretch first.

It's that leg thing, man. I'm scared to break my leg again. Yeah, cuz every time I kick in the wrong place, it feels like you hit, you hit the ball on the wrong part of the bat.

When you broke your leg, did you have to get pins?

Yeah, I got it. Broke in half. It broke in half. So got, I got the plate Oh, but it was a clean break. It was good. It's better than getting shattered. Shattered.

I would have been bad.

So a clean break kind of made a bionic return.

So it doesn't bother you now?

No, nothing. Oh no, it's strong, but if I kick it in the exact spot, I'll feel it, right?

Like if someone checks a kick on their knee or something like that.

Yeah.

What part of your knee or your leg broke?

Uh, I'm gonna not disclose that like Bill Belichick.

Look at you, you're hiding injuries. How did you break it?

I fell, literally slipped in the kitchen. I was making fucking 2 hamburgers and I was carrying them out and the homie was mopping at the same time. I was wearing the wrong shoe and I just slipped and it got caught behind me. That's a freak accident.

You know, that happened is what's-his-face, uh, Piers Morgan. He fell and broke his hip, had to get his hip replaced.

That's the thing, he doesn't seem like he's in great shape. I was in fucking sick shape at the time. I was in I was riding my bike every day. I was feeling good.

How long will this happen?

2011.

Yeah.

Oh no, 2010.

So that's why you worried about kicking. So don't kick anybody, just work on knees.

Move like inside knee.

There you go. That's a good move for you.

Clinch.

Yeah, it's all just about hip mobility. Just learn some hip mobility stuff. I know, like ballerina bars. Yeah, yeah, those are actually really good.

Yeah, I have one. I could do a good— I could get the leg up there.

Ballerina bar is really good for swinging your leg. You like, you stand on your left leg and swing your right leg.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then up like that and this. Yeah, yeah, that's really good for like opening it up and getting the dexterity and strengthening up those supporting muscles.

Yeah, all the flexors.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, everybody should have some leg and hip mobility. You should be able to throw a kick.

Kick.

It's not that hard, especially a low kick.

No, I could throw it, but you know, the accuracy and, you know, the devastation factor, it might not be there.

You'll figure it out. Yeah, you're a big guy, you're strong, you got a lot of horsepower back there.

Come here, come on, son, come here, fucking wrestle you.

Yeah, I hear you getting excited.

I've been— I trained with Paulinho a lot. Yeah, I trained with him in Jersey, just holds pads.

I thought he was— he's not in Connecticut.

Oh, his place is in Jersey, right? Glover's in Connecticut. Connecticut, but everyone's from Jersey.

Is Pliny in Nutley?

Oh nice, right there, 10, like 15 minutes from me.

That's great, that's great.

Gives me good work. He's a good dude too, I love him, and great coach. And they spend— yes, I'm saying he spends time with me and like teaches me fighting, not boxing, show me how to fight, right? Like things Alex would do.

It's probably a good thing for you too to have something that takes your mind off all the other shit you do.

It's one of my favorite things. Yeah, the thing is that one thing takes my mind off the next. This takes my mind off of that thing, that takes my mind off of that. So it's like a constant therapy that I'm giving myself because I'm getting burnt out here. Oh, let's turn to this. Now that's stopping me from doing that, and I will get burnt out there, go to the next thing, right? I'm just a seasonal person. I like doing things when I'm like— when I feel them.

I know what you mean.

Yeah, you feel it. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to be forced.

Maybe he'll start golfing soon.

That's fucking enough of me.

Really?

I'm really good. Look at me, I'm really good. Pitch and putt, I'm a fucking pro.

You're a good mini golfer?

Pitch and putt? Nah, mini golf, I'm not that good.

What's the difference?

Pitch and putt is like everything except driving. Yeah, it's like 100 yards. It's like a city game, you have it at the park. Oh, but there's good 70-yard. Okay, uh, what's the wedge?

Mm-hmm. Okay, it's just not long drives.

No drives.

Got it.

So I'm pretty good.

So every golf game starts off with the long— I'm totally ignorant.

Me too. Every game starts with a drive from the beginning.

Is that true?

Mostly. That's 14. It should be 2 par 3s per side. It's not— every course isn't the same, but it's like average 2 par 3s per side, 2 par 5s per side, and the rest are par 4s.

And do you always open with like a long shot? Is that the thing? I Isn't that like how you play the course?

It's supposed to be up to you. You should— I mean, ideally you want to get as far—

how would they play in PGA?

One swing as possible so you have less strokes. Yeah.

How does the Masters start?

Yeah, I mean, they're—

that's how I'm starting. How they start in Augusta, Shinnecock. I want to play all these. I just want to smoke hash on the golf courses and chill. While other people play.

That's what you want to do? That's doable.

I think we could do that.

I think that's very attainable.

I want to do it once. I don't want to follow them.

Like, Jamie, it sounds like we might have a show. Well, you already did that with H&A.

Like, bro, I can— how, how do we bring this back? Were you fucking producing it?

I was just talking about it yesterday.

Can you produce this for me?

Talking about it?

I don't know.

I don't mean to put you on the spot. I don't need to put you on the spot. Can you be the executive producer?

Um, well, where would we do it?

It really doesn't take much.

Where did you do it before? You did it at Vice?

We did it in a fucking rented studio with green screen.

That's where Vice went bad. Well, they should have kept you around. They fucked up.

They fucked everything.

They had you, they had Eddie Wong, they had a bunch of dope shows. I did Eddie Wong's show. We went and did yoga together.

Seriously?

Yeah.

Yo, bro, I don't even want to tell you what I'm about.

I love Eddie.

He's a good kid. Fucking— I'm about to do Thai boat with Billy Blanks.

Now, like today? Like you're about to do it?

Thursday.

Really?

Me, Ryan Seacrest, and Billy Blanks.

Oh boy. Oh boy.

I'm gonna tell you here first, I went on Wheel of Fortune.

Did you?

I did.

How'd you do?

I can't tell you yet, but just let me tell you, I dominated. I can't tell anyone yet, but I dominated.

I think you just told us.

Let me just tell you something, bro. I'm sorry if this is gonna ruin anything, but for fuck's sake, I dominated.

Nice. Beautiful.

That's what I mean. I'm looking for Jeopardy, to be honest. I'm better at Jeopardy.

And so why are you going and doing Taibo with Ryan Seacrest and Billy Blanks?

Because they took a liking to— Ryan took a liking to me, and now he wants to do something else.

Oh, so you guys filming this?

Yeah, we're gonna film me and Ryan doing Taibo with Billy Blanks. But for me, Billy Blanks The Last Boy Scout, the first scene. That's right, that's what I know him for. That's my shit.

That's right.

Ain't Life a Bitch. And he fucking—

right, I forgot about that.

It's one of my favorite movies of all time.

Well, Damon Wayans is one of my favorite comics.

Damon Wayans is a fucking underrated comic.

Underrated comic and underrated action star. He was great in that fucking movie.

Bulletproof with Adam Sandler.

Yep.

I used to love Damon Wayans.

Major Pain.

Oh my God, he had a run. What about his brother in fucking Lowdown Dirty Shame? That was a good action movie too. Keenan Yeah, who knew Keenan Ivory Wayans was a fucking action hero?

Keenan's a cool guy.

I'ma get you, sucker.

That's right.

Come on.

That's right.

He died from over— he over-gold. It's too much gold.

Wasn't there a guy who had like goldfish tanks for his platform shoes?

Man, that was the pimp. But you imagine it, dude, fish tanks for platforms. In Living Color changed my life. Changed my life.

Hey, I just read something. I should probably call Dave and ask him, but I just read something where they're thinking about bringing back the Chappelle Show.

Yeah, gave a speech there. So Eddie Murphy got another award this week, I think AFI or something, and Dave was on stage speaking and he said he was talking with Eddie about it and Eddie sort of like pushed him. But then during the speech, he sort of said, all right, if you want to do it, I think they actually even said maybe a movie, like a Chappelle Show movie.

Oh, okay.

An actual show. But he's like, that would be fucking— he kind of said, Eddie, if you do Charlie's parts, let's do it.

Oh, that would be incredible.

Yeah, because he kind of doesn't want to do without Charlie.

Oh, that would be incredible. That'd be incredible. I found Eddie and Charlie on vacation once. It was totally random in Hawaii.

Really?

Yeah, I was at, uh, at the counter getting my, um, um, you know my key for the room, and Charlie's cousin was there. I was like, what are you doing? What's going on, man? What are you doing here? He's like, Charlie's here with Eddie, come say hi. And I went over, I had lunch with Charlie and Eddie. I was like, just sitting there talking to him, like, this is crazy.

That's crazy.

It was crazy.

Where we stay, Moana Surf Club?

No, Four Seasons. Four Seasons in Maui.

Oh yes, a nice beautiful place.

Beautiful place. It was like just talking to Eddie Murphy, was like, what, am I really talking to Eddie Murphy? It was so weird.

So that's psychedelic right there.

It was cool. He's really cool.

I met Martin Lawrence, who was like— my grandparents learned English from this man. My Albanian grandparents would watch Wheel of Fortune, Jeopardy, and Martin. So, you know, and I did the thing with Wheel of Fortune, and then I went to the Knicks game versus the Lakers. I said, fuck it, I'm getting myself a ticket. And as I walk in, this fucking Martin Lawrence right there. Almost— I literally— I've never done this to another man. I shook his hand, I went into his ear, I was like, yo bro, you don't know how much this means to me, man. You don't know, yo bro. I was just talking, I was like whispering in his ear how much it meant to me.

Fanboyed out.

Yeah, fanboyed the fuck. I don't care, I don't care, I did it, dude.

I saw Martin Lawrence in his prime at the Comedy Store in the '90s.

I would have died to see that.

He was— there's another guy people sleep on.

My favorite.

He's one of the best comics ever. Like, when he was in his prime, he would fucking destroy, and I would have to follow him. It was hell. I bombed so many times. Mitzi Shore, that lady right there, yeah, when— if you were coming up, one of the things that she would do is, like, young comics that she thought of any promise at all, she'd put them on after monsters.

Put you out after a legend.

Yep, that's your spot, right on after the killer.

Good luck.

Good luck, motherfucker.

I like that.

Yeah, man, she knew what she was doing. I mean, she's the most important figure in comedy outside of comedians for sure. She's number one. She knew, she knew what she was doing, even with her son. I mean, she'd even give Paulie a break, you know. Paulie had to earn it himself too. Damn, that's how she, you know, she knew, she knew like how, what was the best environment to create comedy.

So Paulie Shore was a stand-up first? Oh yeah, I didn't even realize that.

Oh yeah, I know he's been a stand-up forever.

I just knew— I just, when I was young, he— I like— he was like in movies and shit that I liked. He was like, he was like that, he was like that actor. Where's it at? Right here.

Um, yeah, well, he started in stand-up. I mean, he, he used to get babysat by Sam Kinison.

Oh my God, you got to be a fucking funny guy after that one. Could that be my babysitter?

There's some things you don't want to learn when you're that young. I mean, you don't want to learn from Sam. Uh, kind of do. I kind of—

I don't know, I had some pretty fucking— some interesting characters raised me also.

I'm just so glad that The Comedy Store is still around. I was really worried about them during the pandemic when they were closed for like a fucking year. The whole thing was so insane. It took so long for LA allowed them to open up.

Can I ask you something honestly?

No.

All right. The comics of today, do you find them— it's just because we've aged a little bit and we find different things. Like, do you find them as funny as you found people that you looked up to, like your elders? Do you find these younger guys funny? Like, can you vibe with it?

Yeah, I definitely could vibe with it, you know, as far as like Do they make you cackle the way these other fucking guys do? For sure. It depends on who you watch.

You know who I like? I like Stavvy.

Oh yeah, Stavvy's hilarious.

Stavros fucking—

Stavros is hilarious. There's more funny comics now, I think, than ever.

Really?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's a really good time for like up-and-coming people, new people. There's like a lot of like excitement about comedy, you know? And then there's Kill Tony, which is like this awesome platform for them. So there's so many people—

were you doing that last night? No, I wasn't there because I drove by the, by the, by the mothership and it was there fucking cranking.

Yeah, that was Kill Tony night. I wasn't there last night, but Ari Scheer was there, Luis J. Gomez was there. So it was a great, great setup and it's always a good show. It's always a fun show and that gives people legit opportunity to get on stage and either to get on YouTube or to get on Netflix in front of the whole fucking world. And it could make your career. It could make your life. It could change everything.

It's not like a voice type of vibe. It's more of like a fucking real show, and then just people see you there. It's not like a competition.

No, no, no, there's no competition. But you do get 1 minute, and if you do well, Tony invites you back. Yeah, not judged, but you get feedback from the comics, or everybody's just fucking around. It's all very loose and open.

Showtime with your father?

No, you don't get yanked. You get your 1 minute.

Okay.

And if you suck, Tony roasts you, and, you know, but sometimes the people that suck, they know they sucked, and they're really funny talking about how they sucked. It's just a great show. But it's just an opportunity where comedians see there's a path. All I have to do is, like, keep doing open mics, put together an act, start getting a little road work, do Kill Tony, and then next thing you know, I'm headlining on the road like all these other guys that have become regulars on the show.

There's a clear path.

Yeah, like, you could really make a living and have a real career current comedy. So because of that, it's like comedy is really exciting right now. It's like, and because of YouTube, because you could put your special, just, you don't need, you don't need big guys, you put it right up, anything, just upload it onto YouTube. Next thing you know, it's got a million views. Holy shit. You're off and running. And then people could, the best thing about YouTube is people could share it. You could see a funny comedy special. Oh shit, you got to watch this. You send it to me. I'm like, ah, and then I'll send it to him. And that's how things happen. It's Like, that never existed before, so that paves the way for more comics to be encouraged to try it. 'Cause there's an— if you got a work ethic and you're willing to do it, there's an actual path to having a career.

Yeah, because before it had— it was like a little bit like luck. You had to meet the right person. Now there's like— like getting to the major leagues. You go through the minors, you go through here, he's clear.

What's the pathway for rappers?

I don't know. There's really none nowadays. It's— I believe it's all the same thing. You just, you choose your own path.

Just become mayor.

Yeah, hopefully. You fucking kidding me? I'd love to do that. The mayor— if I could be the mayor, yeah, you could be the mayor. Just someone got to feed me some, some political situations that are good. Good things only. I don't want to do anything bad. No, but like, the path to being a rapper, there's really— first off, you have to be just nice. You have to be good. You shouldn't be doing it if you suck. Right? And some— your friends should tell you, yo, listen, this is not for you. Let's step away from this and do something else, right? You have to have good people around you. I had a lot of people around me that are fucking straight-up haters, very raw deal people, and no one told me to stop.

Of course.

And that inspired me to keep going. And honestly, you have to have it within you. This is a— you either have it or you don't. There's this— I've been around here now 16 years. And I've seen a lot of fucking people come and go, but I've been a constant. And I don't even think I've peaked in any area of life yet, truly. I feel like I'm, I'm on the brink of— I'm always on the brink of, of a new exploration, a new breakthrough. And that's how I take things, because I don't like— I don't want to be stagnant. I, I look older. I'm visibly grizzled. I'm visibly Sean Connery, but because I started later, I— you didn't see me as a fucking 15-year-old kid jumping around, right? I came in as a 27-year-old man, right? So you've seen me throughout the years. I've just— now I'm more of a man, right? So I didn't start as a little baby face, you know. A lot of these kids, you see them 16 years later, they look the exact same because you saw them at 13. Not me, right? I feel you, you know.

Yeah, but well, that's a great attitude anyway. Yeah, just continuing to improve at something, that's a great way to live life.

I just like learning, man. I like— I love new experiences. I'm not— I want to fucking like— I'm just finding new things that I love every single day of life.

That's awesome.

Truthfully, man, I got— I feel— I feel blessed and special to have those type of outlets where I don't have to like search for shit and things just like like hobbies fall in my lap. They do, because I just— I, I really am a connoisseur of many things in life that I love.

What other hobbies do you like?

Like I said, I love gardening. I love overlanding now. I love— I want to take—

go overlanding.

I want to take my truck everywhere now.

What kind of truck you got?

I got a Sequoia. Oh, brand new. It was the best purchase I've ever made in my life. They never break. They never break. And New York was so fucking heavy duty, this— I, I was like in war mode. There was nothing stopping Right, 4-wheel drive, 800-wheel drive. That car, it got power like you can't believe. It's perfect.

Toyotas are hard to go wrong. Hard to go wrong with a Toyota.

I love Toyota. I had Jeeps for a while, but I started— my mother had the '83 Toyota Celica. That was our first car. We called it Brownie. It got us everywhere. Then we made the change to the '94 Jeep Grand Cherokee Forest Green. We had that for a long time until we got the Hyundai Sonata I got stolen by accident. You know, it was the morning before— that was the night before the Brett Favre jet experiment that was gonna happen. You know, he went to the Jets. I went to the store in my underwear that I always do, up the block from my house, bought a Vanilla Dutch and a Set for Life, and two fucking kids jumped in the car and just dipped.

Oh no. So, and you were in your underwear?

I was in my underwear. I had to fucking— I had to make the police report in underwear. Why are you in underwear? First off, that was the first question. Why are you in underwear?

That's a solid question.

I said, should I take them off? You want me to take them off? What, are you crazy?

It does make the situation weirder.

It makes it all weirder. Why I left with underwear on only. Yeah, it was hot out.

I wouldn't advise that.

No, no, don't, don't do that. Even if you're going to your local store.

Did you, uh, do things to Sequoia? Did you put a lift on it? What'd you do?

Yeah, I put, I put the lift on it. I put the—

change the tires.

Yeah, some 35s, some Toyos.

Look at you.

I wasn't cuts. I got the crazy rack.

Yeah, I got a roof rack, the whole deal.

I even got a roof rack.

Nice.

No, but I really, you know, I'm trying to throw the Dobbins kit on there so it's really lifted, and I want to go— I want to do like a Dakar Rally vibe.

Okay, so do you want to take this and just go out into the woods and camp out for a while?

I want to do that too, but I want to drive to the unknown.

Drive over through the unknown. Yeah.

There's a truth that these guys— it's probably not— it's not the move. It's too big, it's too burly.

I need Land Cruisers or the move— I need 80 Series Land Cruisers.

I need something that's a little bit more mobile.

You're right.

I've been looking to go maybe Mitsubishi Pajero, right-hand drive.

Or you know what's real good is the Lexus GX.

That's the one.

Yeah, comfort, comfort. But also a lot of dudes take those and put lifts on them, and there's a lot of aftermarket stuff available for them because they're so luxury and they're so fucking reliable.

That's that Toyota motor.

Yeah, you can't go wrong with Toyotas, bro.

Toyota, holler at me. Come on, I'm the perfect—

Yeah, I have a '95 Land Cruiser. Yeah, I love those things.

Champagne?

No, it's silver. Silver. It's Lexus Atomic Silver. I had it painted. Oh my God. Yeah, it's dope.

She gets me crazy. Yeah, and that fucking thing you got, the Raptor, the Hennessy. Oh yeah, more than the Hennessy. What is it, the fucking VSOP?

No, it's the Hennessy. It's a Hennessy 1000. So it's— they take a Raptor R and turn it into a 1000 horsepower pickup truck. It's ridiculous. Totally necessary.

It's 100%. Do you overland here? No, just fucking drive the streets.

Yeah, well, we've taken it out to ranches before though. I've taken it.

You know, you need, you need that vehicle for the ranch.

It helps. It definitely helps when you're getting over stuff. Those things are— they have so much wheel travel, those Raptors. They're so good, especially the Hennessey, because it's even more lifted. It's so good at articulating over space.

Independent arms.

Well, it's just the suspension is designed to be pliable, right? It's like when you're going over fucked up ground, like, moves with it. The thing about those old Land Cruisers is that they all had solid axles front and rear. That's like a real hardcore off-roading vehicle. You know, the solid axles are just— it's so durable. And because it turns like the side— you've seen like guys going overlanding with Land Cruisers where they have like the crazy—

oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, with the rocks. Yeah, going over like—

dudes get obsessed with those weird trails, like just getting up them.

I'm starting to be. I'm just— it's the, the, the burn, the burn is there. I'm just little by little, it's So soon you'll see me in fucking Moab going crazy through the rocks. For real, she got a Jeep.

Jeeps are really good for that because they're real small. They're not very big, you know, 2-door Jeep or 4-door Jeep. They're real small, easy to move, a lot of fucking stuff that you could get put on them, a lot of aftermarket stuff.

How much fun is that to put shit on things? Oh, so fun. Like to fucking soup things up. So exciting. I'm working on a— I'm working on an '87 M6 right now that I've had sitting there in my garage for 12 years, really about to give it a new life.

What are you gonna do to it?

Baja, really? Making it a rally car, lifting it. Holy shit, wheels, really? I'm done dropping things. I'm only lifting things now.

Wow.

I've dropped every fucking BMW I've had to the ground. We're scraping.

You're subconsciously preparing for the end of civilization. I think we're gonna have to go off the roads.

I got the Japanese GI Joe truck. I'm prepping everything.

Yeah, you have an apocalypse vehicle. Yeah, I recommend those. You should get one. Things go sideways, you gotta have something that can go away from the road.

100%.

Because if you're stuck in a Ferrari and you're on the highway, you're stuck.

I can't even get in the fucking thing right now. I could, but it wouldn't be as good. It sucks. It's those seats that hug your ass.

Mm-hmm.

I don't want anyone hugging my ass.

Little Italian guy with a cigarette.

Exactly, fucking with his legs crossed in the car.

Like this, like the real deep bend, bro.

Who could cross their legs with the deep bend? My nuts don't allow that. It's a European thing.

Arshad Fear does it. He sits like that.

But ask him about his nuts. What do they do when it— when that happens?

Do they tuck some in there somewhere? They go in the space, the gap, the gap between the two legs, you know?

That's a crazy way to sit for your own subconscious to know that's how you're sitting. Yeah, that your shit's tucked.

You're crushing nuts. Yeah, nah, I can't do it. Well, you and I both have tree trunk legs.

Yeah, no, it's true. There's no way.

Get the— it won't work like that. It doesn't go over there like that.

I could barely do a little cross at the ankle.

Adam Carolla talks about this. He's like, it's a thing that like liberals do to let you know that they think the way you think.

To sit like that is unreal.

It's like they've got this like cross like, well, it's like a feminine expression. I'm not threatening. I'm basically progressive, you know. I'm, you know, I've got the legs in the proper position.

It's letting you know. Yeah, it's all body language.

Whereas Trump sits like this with his, like, his hands over and forth.

Fucking—

he holds his hands—

everything's open.

Yeah, he's got like the hova right over his cock. So ridiculous. Oh man, well, women always get mad on subways because men, man, man spread. But the reason why is our— that's how our hips are designed. What is this, the microphones right on his cock? That's ridiculous. Oh man, that is ridiculous.

It's a funny picture.

So how did Ancient Aliens, that show that you did, you getting high watching Ancient Aliens, how'd that even start?

Vice was about to fucking take over the History Channel and they just needed content. No, I was like, yo, you guys are fucking bugging, you're not taking this off, this has to stay. I go, ancient alien, this comes with Vice, like this is now gonna be transferred. And they were like, I don't know if we could do it. So I had to go and speak to the homie who invented it. He gave me his blessings. I sat with him for like 4 hours. He was talking shit to me, whatever. Convinced him. He was— I was like, yo, this is not a joke. Like everything is tongue-in-cheek and ridiculous, but this is how it makes us feel. I'm a proponent, I'm a believer. If I need to talk to Giorgio Tsoukalos, bring him here, whatever. So he believed me and he like, he gave us the blessing. He recently— he recently passed, but he passed a couple years ago.

And well, who did, Giorgio?

No, not Giorgio, but the, the main, the main creator.

Giorgio's the meme, he's the meme. Yeah, he's not saying it's aliens, he's the hair, but it's aliens.

But there's a lot sicko dudes on there.

Oh yeah, well, there's a lot of—

Eric, the guy who just died also.

Von Däniken.

Von Däniken.

Yeah, Eric Von Däniken. Yeah, I met him.

Really?

Yeah, my friend Eric Weinstein brought me to a lunch where he was at, and I, I had a chance to talk to him about what he believes and all the stuff. He was all in on the idea that aliens definitely came down here and built everything. I'm more of a believer that there was an ending of civilization and a rebirth of it, and that what we're looking at is some incredible technology that humans had invented a long fucking time ago, and that's what's responsible for all these structures that we don't understand. Like, the ones in Mexico are crazy, man. They didn't know— they just uncovered those. I didn't know that until like not that long ago.

Yeah, these were—

as I thought, the Aztecs built all that shit.

Well, think about all these things that they're finding now. Like, I I've seen recently, like, all these pyramids they're finding in Antarctica.

And yeah, like, well, I know that there's one—

these, like, these mountains— or in China—

odd-looking.

Yeah, the odd-looking, uh, the odd-looking, uh, nature of it. There's like domes and like it looks underneath.

It looks weird though. That one looks weird. There's a bunch of them in the Amazon that look really weird, like when they do the lidar underneath the riverbed.

There's like civilization under there. There's like true civilization in certain areas of the Amazon.

Yeah, I have a friend of mine, Luke Caverns, who goes and explores these things all the time. We were actually just talking about one of them that I think is in Peru. I sent it to him and I asked him, I said, hey, is this legit? And he's like, yeah, absolutely. Not only is it legit, but you can't get there. Like, it's a really hard place to visit. It's almost impossible to get there, and no one's really looked into it in terms of like Here it is. I found it.

So what'd they do, an overhead?

Well, they have images of it, and you look at the image and you're like, whoa, what is going on here? Like, this is weird. Like, the image here—

I'm sorry, full civilization along the bank.

Well, it's in the middle of the water. I think it's deep in the jungle, and I think it's very difficult to get to. But the thing is, a lot of the jungle, a lot of the Amazon, a lot of this stuff is— there's areas where people don't necessarily know how many people were living there 1,000 years ago or 2,000 years ago. It could have been like densely packed. Like, look at that.

That looks like a densely packed area with people.

What the fuck is that? Like, that does not look— that's the AI version. But go back to that. That's a real picture, bro. That does not look natural at all. It doesn't match anything around it.

It's crazy.

It looks like something that someone built. It doesn't mean that it's something that someone built, and it might just be that angle. Right? If you look at it from the other side, it might look like bullshit, but from that angle, there's angles of—

there's isosceles right there. There's triangular situations going on.

Like, they're saying, but it said in that image, but it don't look like it's 4 sides.

It looked like 5 sides. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

No, it could be 4. It just could be 4 because where it is, if you just reverse it, you just reverse what you're saying.

You're right.

So it says geologists refer to this formation as Cerro El Cono, attributing its sharp angles and pyramid-like structure to the slow, patient work of wind, rain, and erosion over countless centuries. Or someone built it. Like, if you're not exploring it and you're saying that this thing that looks just like a pyramid, you think it was made by pyramid by slow, patient work of wind and rain.

But there's no other— there's no other rock around it. Why didn't the patience happen there? This is a straight-up plane.

It doesn't make any sense.

It's a jungle plane.

That looks like a person built it. Those are right angles, and it's covered with bushes. So you got to think, like, what did it look like when it— and they haven't gone and checked it out. I'll tell you what Luke said to me, because Luke is actually an expert in this stuff. This is what he does. He goes and visits these places. Places. And he was telling me, it's like, this stuff is so strange because they— there's a bunch of these kind of structures that are in the jungle. All of them haven't been explored, and there's a lot of resistance. He says it's deep in uncontacted tribe land. There's a small river that can get you within the 25-mile mark. He said it's crazy out there. So it's just like you just have a really difficult time in getting to it. I mean, there's a river they can get you within 25 miles of it.

Okay, and then, and then what?

You got to walk through the jungle 25 miles to get there. What does it look like on Google Earth? What does it look like though? Get that. I know, but get that stupid little dot off of this.

Right at the border of Peru and Brazil, bro.

What is— what's under there? I want to know what's under there. Boy, that does look like a fucking pyramid, man.

That looks like a pyramid that's covered with bushes out in the middle of nowhere.

They find all those other ones. Look at that there.

It's in a similar line, and it looks like it's in a—

it's in a pattern of a star in the sky, right? The tree, boom boom boom, and then that.

Yeah, it's weird. Oh, here's another one. Did you see that? They think that there's a second Sphinx. In Egypt. Yeah, yeah. So they've done scans of this area where a second Sphinx would be, and there's something under the sand that's the size of a Sphinx.

So it'd be next to the, to the original one.

It's in the same area, like the same area. So you have your pyramids, and then there's a Sphinx, and on the opposite side there's another Sphinx.

But the Sphinx isn't the Sphinx. It was something else. The face was something else, right?

They think, they think the face was a lion's face.

And then like that dog, that like Pharaoh had a dog, the long, not the long snouted dog that they Could be.

I don't think they think it's that though. I think they think it's a lion.

Mm-hmm.

And so there's one exactly opposite of it. I mean, and so this one, what does it look like when they show that image, the scan?

I mean, I don't think there's anything there.

What did the scan say? I don't— you would just scroll up. See, that's a scan, and it said something above it. It said scans hinting at complex megastructure beneath the Giza Plateau. And so satellite images of the Giza Plateau reportedly captured this dune, which the signal processing researcher claims measures approximately 108 feet tall. The first Sphinx sits slightly below the surrounding surface in a shallow depression, so it's quite possible the second Sphinx could be hidden beneath this higher mound. So it's in the right position. Where a second Sphinx would be? Because I think— do the Sphinxes, uh, no, I don't think so. I think they— it's like the pyramids are in the center, Sphinx going that way, Sphinx going that way. I think that's the idea. The Sphinx, uh, appear in pairs more than once. Are they— would they looking for it because that's a normal, like, setup? Like, what's the normal configuration of sphinxes? Yes, sphinxes frequently appear in pairs in ancient Egypt, Greek, and Roman art, often acting as guardians in pairs or long avenues at temple entrances rather than as solitary monuments like the Great Sphinx.

That makes sense, right?

But they wouldn't—

if they're facing opposite ways also, the one's guarding the exit.

Exactly.

Both entrances.

Exactly.

Far away from each other though, right?

But far in relative position to the— how far the Sphinx is from the pyramids in the first place.

Well, then we'd have to ask like, do they appear in pairs far away from each other, not next to each other? Because that's sort of saying like they're guarding doors next to each other.

Well, there's— I understand, but—

or just entrances. If there's two entrances, you need them.

Well, let's put that into Perplexity. Ask it, when sphinxes appear in pairs, uh, what is the configuration? What is the configuration? What is the configure— what configuration? So maybe it'll tell us there and give us— maybe they are like right next to each other, and then this doesn't make any sense. In both Egyptian art and architecture, sphinxes very often appear in pairs, usually flanking an axis such as a road, doorway, or staircase. Right, so like two in front of a doorway. Um, temple approaches, rows or pairs of sphinxes commonly line the processional roads with one on each side of the central path. So usually like on two sides of a door, gates and doorways, gateways and doorways, pair of Sphinx orientation idea. Modern popular writers often say one faces east, the other faces west. Okay, well, that's different.

That's, that's what, that's what they would have found.

So it's possible that they did it in several different ways, but often in twos. So if they do have one big Sphinx and there's another—

yeah, but it's pulling that, it's pulling that from a Facebook post talking about this potential second one.

Oh, interesting, interesting. So it might be horseshit.

Just a grain of salt with it as well, right?

We won't know until they get in there, but if they— if it is there and it's just under sand, that's not that big of a deal because they had to uncover this one. When this one—

does it take to excavate these things?

It'll take a while. I mean, there's a lot of sand, like, but it depends on how many workers, how many machines. Also, they have to do it carefully. Oh my God, because you want to make sure you fuck up the Sphinx. But if there is a Sphinx under there, that would be fucking nuts. They found a second Sphinx and they dug it out. They're like, oh shit, look at that Sphinx. Ooh, titties. With one titte.

The Nurturer.

That's weird. What a weird head. Like, it's got pointy ears, right? Those ears pointy, or is that just where the hair goes? How weird. Well, maybe it was a chick. Chick, and they're like, nah, I'm making my face one big.

It's like one big breast.

Yeah, one hard one.

The fucking arm is jacked.

Yeah, I don't like it. A little too much.

Yeah, I mean, let's take it. 3 breasts if you want.

Yeah, isn't it weird that we like 2 but we don't like 3?

Yeah, no, 3 is 3 is gross. Like, because it's weird, that middle part. You don't— you don't— you want the separation natural. You don't want like a third. It's like a fucking—

you know how weird a girl would have to be to pull off a third It'd be like, I think I like it. I didn't like it when I first met her, but now I really like it.

Why not? Why not?

Why not?

We're in the future, Total Recall.

But if it was normal to have 3 boobs, that's what we would like. That's what's weird. Like the female shape, the desired female shape, like the fertility doll shape. It's very weird how that could have been a bunch of different shapes. Like for an ant, it's something a little honey on its ass.

Exactly. But this is also a thing. Why are we so obsessed with ass? I know I am obsessed with an ass. And shit comes from it. Like, you shit horrible things from your ass, but yet I love looking at that ass.

People are complex.

And I dream of biting that ass. Like, why? When I know fecal comes from it.

People are confusing. We're confusing to each other.

I'm confused at myself.

You should be.

I really am. But I love myself. Mike Tyson told me to never speak bad about myself because my conscious doesn't— my subconscious doesn't know whether I'm joking or not, right?

Oh, that's wise.

I think he heard that from fucking Bruce Lee though. I'm not gonna lie, I heard Bruce Lee say that on some shit recently. I was like, damn, Mike. And then I heard Bruce Lee say it.

There's something true to that for sure.

There's no doubt.

No doubt.

Yeah, you know, I always call myself a jerk or schmuck. I'm not.

What's this, Jamie?

I'm looking at the oldest known pictures of the Sphinx. This is the oldest stone, so part of it's still underground, somewhere around 1850 to 1860.

Wow.

I'm trying to find a year on that. This one says actually 1892.

That's nuts.

Well, just— it looks so strange.

The whole thing's so strange, man. That place is so old. Just even if you just go by what they think, which is 4,500 years ago they built this thing, that's so crazy. That's so fucking long ago.

Well, now they're gonna have fucking Rico Verhoeven and, uh, And who else fight there, right? Oh yeah, and Usyk and fucking Verhoeven fight there.

That's nuts.

That's kind of bugged out. It is kind of bugged out, but I like the idea of using the backdrop. No, the natural arenas. Natural wonders arena. We should have it in Rome. We should have it, you know.

By the way, it's hot as fuck out there.

It's in the sandstorms. Okay, how's this gonna work?

What are they gonna do?

How's this gonna work, right?

What if there's a fucking sandstorm in the middle of the fight and they get sand in their eyes? They're swinging blind.

They fucking tried to do it in Times Square. It was Yes.

Yeah, that didn't work out so well. The fights weren't that good either, except Tiafimo. Tiafimo fought really well.

You gotta have— you got to bring the right people.

Yeah, someone was saying that it's almost like they're paying them so much these guys are scared to lose, that they're, they're, you know what I mean? Like, that was the argument about that, that Times Square card. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because the Saudis came in and just went throwing that bank truck.

They don't like rap, huh?

They probably do.

Well, they haven't hollered at me. Oh man, I don't think I would go there. Yeah, I'd be interested in seeing the Middle East. I'd be interesting to see— it'd be interesting to see all these places, man. I've been to a lot of places on earth but never over there.

I've been to Dubai and briefly for a UFC weigh-in in the UFC, which was in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, so I've been there for that, and it was great. That was a long time ago, but obviously it was the best possible conditions there with the UFC, staying in a nice hotel. A lot of money over there, man, I'll tell you that. Like, when you're in Dubai— and this was quite a while ago, so Dubai is even crazier now. I mean, the construction there is just nuts. It's just just so fucking like high-tech and everything's beautiful and no crime.

Looks like it seems like a great place to be.

Yeah, I know people that have moved to Dubai just because there's no crime.

Yeah, but there's no hash either.

Yeah, right.

There's hash, but they're not letting you smoke it, bro. You get caught with that, you go to jail forever. Oh, they're the ones who have been making it for fucking millions of years. What the hell?

I know, isn't that crazy?

What are they doing? They're keeping it for themselves.

I wonder why they make it so illegal. Over there. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, you know, because if they didn't— I wonder if they're just worried about like people behaving foolishly because they don't have any tolerance for fucking around over there.

Well, you fucking see Amsterdam, that place is a goddamn mess when it comes to weed. Even then, since they made weed legal in America, in some places it's a fucking— it's a, it's a carnival. It's terrible.

Amsterdam is—

no, no, no, just places in America also, like New York, now that weed is legal, it's disgraceful. What, in what way? Just the culture, like people smoking weed and fucking in the street, like openly. Not just openly, but like obnoxiously.

Like everything is obnoxious, like weed smoke everywhere.

It's not just that, it's just the way it's done is obnoxious. Mm-hmm.

It's just like we can finally do it legally.

Yeah, let's fucking go, let's be real stupid about it.

Do you think that that'll eventually settle down and this is just because it's a new thing that's legal?

Probably.

I think so.

It's really not even the people who like— I, you know, it's not like I'm a connoisseur of smoking weed, but I kind of am, right? And I like to do it in a certain way, but I'm not judging how anyone else does it. But I feel like my way is best. I hear you saying nice and chill. Yeah, chilling in the crib.

You don't want to annoy other people with it. That's the problem.

Not having to be like, oh old school, back in the day, I used to come into class smelling like the most weed that I possibly could, because that was what I was trying to exude. I was trying to be cool, come in smelling like this.

You have your friends blow it on you?

Oh my God, bro, you go in and like, whoa, who's fucking smelling? That was like some rush, right, being in class and that happened, like, and you're all stoned and shit in the back.

Oh yeah, yeah, it worked out for you.

It did.

A lot of people probably thought it wouldn't though, right?

There's no doubt about it, right? Are you kidding me? Yeah, my— I've been sold short my whole life.

It'd be funny too, those people that had a bad opinion of it back then, they look at you now like, boy, did I call that one wrong.

Just in general, man, like, I did all right. I did all right. I've been reflecting a lot under the stars and in nature.

Yeah, I'm just overlanding.

Yeah, well, when I'm not overlanding now, I'm camping Oh, now I'm camped.

Stay.

Now I'm at camp. Base camp.

Ground.

Yeah, I'm grounding. Take my shoes off. Feel the grass.

Dude, I went down a crazy space rabbit hole last night. I was going down this, this rabbit hole of black holes. And you remember, Jamie, I told you about that black hole that they found that's as big as our galaxy? Yeah, not, not our galaxy. Excuse me, our solar system.

System.

They found a black hole that is so big that it's like— it's bigger than from here all the way to Pluto. Well, they found one now that's bigger than our galaxy. They found a black hole that's larger than the— I think it's called Phoenix A. See if we can find the Phoenix A black hole.

If it's larger than the galaxy, there's really no measurement of what this is. To even think about you saying, yo, it's bigger than our galaxy, what the fuck?

What the fuck is that? What the fuck is this person in this video was explaining it, it's so insane because the amount of time that it would take for a black hole to suck in that much matter to become that massive, there's not enough time since the birth of the universe. That's what they're— so they're confused as to how it's formed. They're like, well, maybe we're wrong about how these things are formed. It's roughly 100 times larger than the distance between the Sun and Pluto, with a diameter of roughly 590 billion kilometers. Unlike many supermassive black holes that inhabit star— that inhibit star formation, Phoenix A* is currently in a phase of rapid growth, consuming enough matter to grow about 60 solar masses per year. This activity drives high rates of star formation in its surrounding galaxy.

Fuck. Is there any way to diagnose this black hole from here? Can we see it through any telescope?

Well, they detected it, but I don't understand how they detect it.

But any of them, can we see any of them in real time?

Really see a black hole. What you see is everything around the black hole getting sucked into it.

Yeah, well, you see some sort of like weird movement.

No, right, right.

All this— I thought you were headed towards this. I saw this within the last couple days.

Anton Petrov.

No, no, the Milky Way lives in this thing, uh, called a void that is like a black hole, but it's like 2 billion light years across, and we're in the middle of it.

What?

Like, look at that picture as like a, you know, example of what that would be. Wow, there's nothing else around us.

That's perfect.

So is that circle supposed to be the Milky Way?

That— yeah, that would be, uh, the Milky Way.

That's the galaxy.

And then there's a billion light years to—

but that's Earth. That— that— I know that graphic—

again, it's like not the best, uh, Earth is in the Milky Way, so it's showing you that.

Okay, so the Milky Way is just in the center of a void. Is that uncommon?

I don't know.

That's the thing, it's like, are all these galaxies in the center of a void? Void. But just the idea that there's a supermassive black hole out there that's 100 times more massive, or 100 times larger, than the distance between Earth and Pluto— like, what? What is this? What?

This is why we have to be smoking weed in front of a green screen talking about this and, uh, having weird people come on and comment.

Do you, um, have you been paying attention to this news about these UFO researchers and scientists that are going missing? Yeah. What do you think of that?

Don't listen. Don't— top doctors go missing. Don't top physicists go missing. Don't fucking ask. All these fucking people were in facts, you know, power positions. Not even just position of high intelligence, knowledge. Yeah, they go bye-bye. The best heart surgeons on earth, 7 of them were on the same fucking plane that went down. What do you know? Yeah, the best whatever, whatever. They just found the cure for cancer. These 10 doctors, they're on a PJ to fucking who the hell knows where, and they go down.

Jesse wrote a good write-up about them all that I think explains the angle we would prefer to hear about, you know, like conspiracies and UFOs and stuff.

So he thinks it's a conspiracy?

No, he's laying out the possibility of it being a conspiracy, at least from that angle.

It's just crazy that all these top doctors and top things and physicists and just like these people just disappear. Appear.

One of them was a general who's also—

he's the general's no shit.

He's the key. He was in charge of, uh, I think the UFO program, right? If there is one.

If there is one. But if you did— didn't he just leave the house with just a gun?

I don't— yeah, it's on the screen what he left with.

He took a red backpack, his wallet, and a.38 caliber revolver.

Left behind his He left behind his phone.

His wife reported him missing within 3 hours. Despite FBI involvement, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, search dogs, drones, helicopters, horseback teams, FLIR sweeps, and 700 canvassed households, no confirmed sightings of McCasland has ever surfaced. Surveillance cameras covered both ends of his street. None captured his direction of travel. After weeks of searching, the only item returned— recovered was a gray Air Force sweatshirt a mile east of his house. Testing could not confirm it was his.

He was the first one to disappear, and then DNA sort of—

so what, hair came off?

He was the first one to disappear, and then another one disappeared, and they're like, wait, they actually might have worked together. And then like every other day, it's like, now another one, and another one, and another one.

Also, if you knew something that the whole world didn't know, like if you knew the human race was just a bunch of soul containers for some super advanced alien race that just uses us as a farm.

Yeah, here's—

and you're like, what's the purpose?

His name pops up is because his name was in the—

well, just an empty body with fucking aliens hosting us.

Hacked emails from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta revealed correspondence from Tom DeLonge naming McCaslin directly. DeLonge? I'm saying it wrong, right? Tom DeLonge. DeLonge wrote that McCaslin helped assemble his advisory team, was was deeply aware what DeLong was trying to achieve, had received a 4-hour briefing on the project. DeLong added that McCasland ran the laboratory at Wright-Patterson where the Roswell material was shipped. But that's all speculation.

What's the part?

The Roswell material.

I keep talking about Roswell and this and that. There's so much— why are they— why, why is it always like Focus on that shit.

Sorry, say it again.

He did run— it was in charge of the Air Force lab at Wright-Patt. That's why it's linked to the Roswell material. That could be the— the Roswell material could be the part you put in parentheses.

Mm-hmm.

But he did run that lab.

It's all very interesting because that is— the lore was that that's where the wreckage was shipped. But—

and then that, uh, the one we talked about yesterday, Monica Reza, I looked her up. She is known known for being on a patent of some super metal alloy. I was looking that up yesterday. That doesn't mean anything specifically, but—

This is the lady that vanished, right? She was the lady that was hiking. Her friend turned around, saw her, kept hiking, said something to her, kept hiking, turned around a little while later, and she was gone. No one ever found her.

Co-invented an alloy called Mondalloy, which is used in rocket engines currently.

Dun dun dun.

Come on.

And maybe working on some new shit, huh? Maybe.

I mean, those people who got those patents through all those metal— like the fucking guy who got the patent to the clip that turns the gun into an automatic, or the— that's that shit, right? Those little components turn bigger component— bigger things into like super situations.

This is like a crazy alloy for spaceships. Yeah, but just kind of weird. Of course, but it's kind of weird that that lady is a lady that goes missing. So if you were a competitor country, I could see why you'd want to take out one of those scientists, you know, definitely. If you were involved in another industry that might be harmed by her work, like if her work would make your work obsolete, you might want to get rid of her.

Get rid of her. That's right.

Look, that's always happened. People have always done that. You can't take it out of the equation. Gotta thoroughly investigate.

This is— it's a, it's a, it's a story as old as time.

It is, right?

You get rid of one person, the next one comes in. If they're threatening to you, uh-huh, they go bye-bye.

Especially in big business like rocket engines and alloys and space travel.

And something as small as fucking numbers betting— they kill you for betting numbers. They're not gonna kill you for that. Mm-hmm.

Truth.

Nothing but truth, man.

Well, listen, brother, thanks for being here. Tell us everybody one more time, your album gives a fuck. Come on, dog, we do know.

I'm not here for that, but I'm here to say hello.

I'm gonna like to get people to check it out because you think they're gonna give a shit. I think they will.

Yeah, they like your fucking Planet Frog coming out real soon, man. We drop it now. Yo, you already know we that hype shit.

Hype shit.

You know, I got all kinds of things. I got, I got many projects on the way for the year.

Fuck, that's delicious.

Always. That's always going down.

Always.

You know that.

Boy, shout out to KG Barbecue.

Come on, made him, made him a star. Yeah, that was a good workout.

KG or KB?

KG.

KG. Yeah, okay, I wanted to make sure.

Like I said, I'm not— I just want to come and work out with you and just fucking chill, kick it, talk some fucking fights anytime, sir.

Yeah, anytime.

That's it.

It's always fun to hang with you.

You too, bro.

Come on, brother.

Like I said, I don't give a fuck about my album. Fuck that shit. Fuck everything else. I'm here for a good time.

Well, it was a good time.

Thank you.

Appreciate you always.

All right, all right.

Bye, everybody.