Transcript of #2391 - Duncan Trussell

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Hello, Duncan.

Hello, Joe.

Hello, Father.

Father. Hello, Father Rogan.

Are we allowed to do this?

What?

This religion. You can kind of goof on a little bit.

Catholicism.

Yeah. They get testy.

I don't. You know, having now gone to more than a few Catholic masses which are beautiful, and hung out with Catholics who are awesome. I've really had to reconfigure everything. I used to think about it because they're just really sweet. Had a long conversation with a priest. Brilliant dude. Totally like non judgmental, kind of intellectual, you know, philosophical. Like right away I'm like, oh, you should. I should have this guy on my podcast.

Interesting.

Yeah, it wasn't. It's not what. It's the. You know, I feel like the Christianity that most people are angry at is not even Christianity.

You know what I think it's like?

What?

Like saying that you're a liberal person. Cause I'm pretty liberal and you're pretty liberal.

Yeah.

In the greater spectrum. But then you get lumped in with antifa. Then you get lunged in with, you know, whatever crazy LBGT issue of the day.

Yeah, yeah. Well. And even Antifa doesn't want to be called liberal. Did you know that?

What do they know?

Well, antifa is anti capitalist and that is not liberal. So there's a. That's the problem. It's like the terms are really muddy right now. So when you're looking at like Portland. The protesters in Portland.

Yeah. What exactly is going on in Portland? I'm trying not to pay attention.

Oh, well, what's happened is I know.

They'Ve brought in the National Guard. Is that happening? Yeah, but they tried to. And they got brought.

No, I think they have now I think they're there. So what's happened is in front of the ICE facility, there are ongoing protests at night. Now it's. I watch these streams and I've been watching a self professed fascist named Carlin who drinks and basically roasts these live streams. But weirdly, she like. Well, she has apparently embedded herself with antifa before. And so it's such a funny stream because like.

So they tolerate her.

Oh, no, not anymore. She like. No, no, no, no. She's like. I mean, I don't know if she's trolling or not, but on her stream she's like, I am a fascist. Right. So she's proudly proclaiming she's a fascist. I don't know how much of that is trolling how much of it is real. But conservatives who are drawn to her stream will say things like, these people are funded by George Soros. And it's the funniest thing. Cause she gets so mad and she's like, get off fucking Fox News. Stop watching that shit. It's all wrong. Do these people look funny? Do these people look like they have money? They're not funded. And I guess her bigger point is by saying these are funded agitators and not saying what they actually are, which is anti capitalist revolutionaries, you dilute what's really happening. Because what's really happening, according to her, and I think a fair amount of people, is that the economy is so fucked, the middle class is diminishing so much, the cost of living is so high, that this is the till, the perfect soil you need. If you wanted communism to grow anywhere, because you're some kid, you've been like glued to Reddit or TikTok, you've been getting your fucking amygdala jerked off on by the devil, you're just fishing, filled with like, unease.

You've watched assassinations, attempted assassinations, the banking crisis, all of it. And it's like, then you, like some Marxist theorist starts telling you a little bit about like, dismantling capitalism. You got it?

Yeah.

And you know, I don't know, man, back when I was in liberal arts school, if shit was the way it was and some, especially if it was a, like some hot goth girl started talking to me a little bit about dismantling capital, I think I'd be like, yeah, let's dismantle. But that. So that's what you're seeing there. The breakdown of it is that the Democrats and Republicans, what they have in common is they believe in private property and they believe the power of the state should be used to protect private property. And so anti capitalists, Communists, they think that that's just fucked up. Essentially the breakdown of it, as far as I could tell, Sorry, all the communists out there, I'm gonna ruin Marxism. Just, I'm saying I don't. It's very complex, you know, but from what I understand, the idea is this. You have a bunch of money, you buy a factory, you hire someone to run the factory. You get a bunch of workers to go into the factory. The workers are the ones who are making money for you. They're the ones who are skilled. You just knew what number to call.

Got yourself a factory, got yourself managers for the factory. You are now going to take a huge cut of the profit and the Workers are not going to get very much at all. And Karl Marx, as I understand it, was saying, that's like all you do is buy an apartment, keep it, keep it sort of painted in between tenants, and sit back and collect money.

Why?

Just because you had some money. And then when you look at the way money flows uphill, you see, this creates a perfect situation for a world of renters, a world of workers, a world of people getting paid minimum wage, while the person who owns the means of production gets the most money. And so this is a growing sentiment in the world right now. Right? And honestly, it's like you're working two fucking jobs, you're getting paid minimum wage. You know how much the CEOs are making?

Or how about the people that came into this country because they were told that the borders were open, they established a Life here for four years, 20 years, or how about the most recent ones even? And then all of a sudden you're getting hunted down.

Yeah, hunted. Fucking hunted down. Now this. And let's forget. Let's just say.

Wouldn't that start this idea as well? Wouldn't that feed into the idea.

Well, yes.

Dissolving the state.

Absolutely. You're watching this shit, you know, and you're high as a kite. You're watching this stuff in. Let's just say that you. This appeals to a lot of different people, by the way. Let's just say you're the garden variety infowars person. You've been listening to Alex Jones, right? You've read Behold a Pale Horse. Or you have any kind of connection to conspiracy prognostications which all say at some point there's going to be martial law troops in the streets and you're seeing this play out. And so, my God. And even worse, imagine you're in the fucking military and you actually join the military. You're one of those people. September 11th happens, you're like, I'm gonna defend this country. And suddenly you're in a bus going to Portland. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think they want to be there. If I had to guess, it's gotta be a weird feeling to be in your own country with like military grade weaponry, looking at people in duck costumes. Yeah.

It's a very blunt instrument to deal with a very complex problem.

Yeah.

And first of all, it's the way. Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it looks is horrific. It looks when you're just arresting people in front of their kids and just normal, regular people that have been here for 20 years, that everybody who has a heart can't get along with that. Now, everybody who has a heart sees that and go, that can't be right. That can't be right. That can't be the only way to do this.

Right.

Because you have to think, look, yeah, we have to have a border. Yes, it should have been secure. Yes. They should make sure you know who everybody is before they get in.

Yeah.

But when people been here for 20 years, like, come on.

Come on.

That's crazy.

Like, yeah, look at that.

Let's find a way. If they've been productive members of society for 20 years, no criminal record, they work the entire time, they paid taxes. Find them a pathway to citizenship. Find a way where you can do this thing that you want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel members from getting across the border with drugs that kill 100,000 people a year. Okay. But also have a fucking heart. Because if you don't, you're not going to get anybody on your side if you're doing this stuff publicly, throwing women to the ground, handcuffing people just for existing on the wrong side of the dirt.

Yeah.

Not a criminal. Not. The only crime they ever committed was coming over here as a kid.

Yeah.

They probably didn't even know what the fuck was going on.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, a lot of kids got snuck across when they were already born in Mexico and they've grown up their entire life in America. They can't even speak Spanish.

Yeah.

And they could get sent back.

That's. Dude, I mean, that's it. You're describing exactly the reality, and there just isn't.

No one gets on board with that, man. No one with a heart.

Well, no, I mean, the only way you can get on board with it is you have to essentially go, like, pure Machiavellian. Here's the argument and the way I just gave an argument for Marxism, which I am not a Marxist, I'll give. I heard a great interview with a guy running ICE on npr, which I thought was wild. NPR had him on, and they gave him a fair interview. I figured they would be all up his ass. So his defense of the Machiavellian tactics that are being employed right now is that he apparently has worked as some kind of border agent for 20 years. He says you could hear it in his voice, man. It fucked him up. He's like, I've seen the back of the trucks filled with dead bodies. You know what I mean? With children there who died. No oxygen. I've been. I've seen these, these horrors that have come from the open border and, and how awful it is. If we give any semblance of compassion or mercy for the people who've been here for 20 years, for the people with kids, the kids who get any, any, any loophole that we convey is going to produce more people trying to come over the border, and many of those people are going to get killed.

They're going to, you know, drown. There will be many deaths because of this. Not to mention the drug smuggling and all that stuff. And so every time the NPR reporter would push back with the human rights compassion angle, his take is, yeah, but which do we pick? Which do we choose? Creating some way for people to stay in the United States who came here as kids and do the nuanced, compassionate thing, but it gives the impression to the rest of the world that we're doing that and that gets X amount of people killed, that many people die. That was his take on it. Which is why they're doing.

They're still going to have human trafficking. And if you've got a very closed border and you give amnesty, they're going to let, they're going to figure out a way to get people in that was people going to die.

That's his argument. And you know when he was talking about, like, all the awful shit he's seen and you hear it in his voice. Yeah. You're like, okay, maybe I don't completely agree with your point of view, but I can understand where you're coming from there. And yet, when you see this in practice, you know, when it's not an NPR interview and you see the videos you've been seeing and everyone else has been seeing, then you realize, like, there's, okay, sure, but there must be a way to do this that doesn't involve ripping parents out of their communities, away from their children, that doesn't involve, like, actually removing people who've been contributing to society, to American society, from American society, sending people to other countries when they can't even speak the language. You know what I mean?

So no one with a heart is going to go along with that?

No.

And no one. I did not. I did not ever anticipate seeing that on TV on a regular basis.

Me either, man. Me either. It's shot. It's shocking.

I really thought they were just going to go after the criminals. I really thought there was enough gang members and enough people, Ms. 13 members and whatever they were looking for that they're wanted, they would go after those guys.

Dude, I, you know, that's what I.

Thought, right, but how many gang members have they actually arrested?

No idea. No idea. But you see how, you know, and I hate using this word because the word is getting thrown around so much and it's a stupid. Well, you didn't say that word. I'll say authoritarianism.

Yeah.

You see how authoritarianism, when it begins to emerge, it's not like, it's like non consensual. You see how it slowly, slowly creeps in and how there's a great many people directly impacted by people who have crossed the border without using the right protocol and in a horrific way. And there are gangs that have been in apartment complexes. There's people who've seen those videos too, right? And they're like, fuck, yeah, yeah. And also a lot of people who got citizenship the regular way went through fucking hell to get citizenship here. They're also like, fuck them. They're cutting in line, these motherfuckers. They're gumming up the system. They're making it so that we who are following the rules, not only it's taking us longer, but also now we have to deal with ICE too. So those people are pissed. So there is a contingent of people who maybe feel the same thing all of us are feeling, but also are like, but you know what's worse? You know.

This is how I think the only way to do it would be where you could get everyone on your side. Borders are closed and we're going to find out who's committed felonies, who out of the people that are illegal, that have committed felonies, and if you've committed X amount of felonies, you have to leave the country.

Yeah, right.

If you've been robbing people for the last 10 years and you're an illegal, you have to leave the country. Right, that makes sense. But if you've been here for 25 years, you have a family, your kids go to school here, you speak the language, you're just illegal, but you're a contributing member to the community that up until now has been protected. This is crazy to ask lower income and middle income people who are, you know, kind of getting by and then all of a sudden you're about to ship them to a country where they've never been. They, they haven't been since they were four. And you're gonna pull up their family and pull up. And they've been in the community like that. That shows no heart. And that's the problem. You're not gonna get any reasonable people to want to go along with that, any kind person would look at that and go, this can't be the only way to do this.

Damn right. But you see, once authoritarianism starts creeping in and it makes some inroads, which it's definitely making right now, man. It's definitely making right now. And, you know, I think one thing both of us have in common is we're really good at, like, thinking from the other perspective. Like, I can put myself fully into the mind of, like, a super paranoid person who lives in a city that's all fucked up and who's like, yeah, it's like, remember that awesome show where it's like one of those vengeance shows where that his dad, his family gets fucked up by gang members and then he just goes and starts shooting people? Charles Bronson.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Death Wish.

Death Wish, yeah. Right? So there's a lot of people who are in death wish mode right now, and they're just like, yeah, get the troops in the streets, these. I get my car broken into every night. Nothing's happening, let's go. And from, you know, their perspective, it all makes sense. But the problem is once we all start getting used to the military in.

The streets and once we just accept.

It, yeah, that's no good.

But it's like, how bad does the police have to get at doing their job? Or is it the upper management that institutes policies? Or is it that the people vote these policies in? But whatever it is that allows the kind of fucking chaos that you can find in Portland, like, whatever this is, you guys aren't doing it right. If this was a house and I came over your house and these are your kids, I would call protective services, right? I'd be like, this fucking psychopath must be smoking meth with his kids because everybody's just running around, camped out on the fucking sidewalk. Like, none of this makes it. I'd be like, this is an unfit parent. That's an unfit government. If you've got a city where people are just openly shitting in the streets, sleeping everywhere, needles. You have homeless. You see Oakland? Ever see some of those fucking homeless tents? Yeah, dude, those huge villages. Like, this is bananas.

It's bananas.

It didn't exist when we were kids.

Well, dude, this is the thing. Like, I actually, when I was living in LA and was like, thinking of, like, what are some fun ways to, like, shit, disturb. I was thinking, you know what you could do? You could throw a music festival. But you could tell everyone who comes to the music festival to pretend to be homeless. Bring tents, put the tents out, they can't do shit. But if you threw a music festival in LA and didn't get any licensing, like you can camp out, it's going to be awesome. Everybody's going to jail. You know what I mean? You could do a Burning man. Just like guys, we're just, if they ask this, we're homeless and you'll be fine. And it's that, that's the place where it gets. This is the problem is it's like this is what Shogun Chandrapce called idiot compassion. There's compassion, then there's idiot compassion. Now idiot compassion is thinking that leaving a bunch of people out in the streets who have earned varying degrees of psychosis and drug addiction and long term brain injury and then thinking it's, let's just let them do their thing when they obviously need help.

If they were those were 11 year olds, go back to the kid idea. If Those are like 8 year olds, people would be helping them because they're.

Right, because they're full grown. No more help.

Dude, I was, I was, I'm sorry.

I was just gonna tell you something.

Oh, sorry.

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There's a video of this guy driving through Oakland and he's driving through this like insane encampment area. That's nuts. And then you cross a Line. And he goes into the next area of jurisdiction where they have different policies. It's squeaky clean. And the guys are in the car, he's like, no fucking way. This is nuts. Like, it's clear, it's policy. It's clear. It's how they handle homeless people just camping out in the streets. Whether they tolerate it, if you don't tolerate it, your city stays clean. If you tolerate it, you get these massive camps that. Look, show a video of the Oakland camps because there's some of the craziest ones in the country. They're massive. Dude, this is like downtown L. A is another one. Yeah, I'm telling L. A. Has some pockets where you're like this.

Holy shit. Holy shit. It's an open air combination. Mental asylum, drug market, fire.

They're tapping into electrical lines.

Yeah, yeah. And they just, it just happens, happens. Like you, you, you and they, and they do, you know, look at this. Holy. Dude, Wouldn't want to walk barefoot around there, ma'. Am.

It says the, this video is the Oakland, California homeless problem is beyond belief. So it's just shanty town.

Wow.

Of crazy people.

Wow.

The, the whole streets are lined with them.

That is so, so nuts.

Nuts, man.

That is so nuts. Yeah. And you know, and you could see how somebody, how watching this, you might ask yourself, is there something wrong with the system? That this is one of the things that can happen in the United States if you fail hard enough, you know, and because like, talk about like the heart, the idea of a heart, it's like, dude, look at this. It's like this. If you.

This is crazy. It's just like a festival. Well, this is like a psycho festival, dude.

All you need is, well, look at that, They've got couches. That is like, we had a camp like that at burning Man. Those people know how to set up a sunshade.

This is a community. Like, look at, this is a garbage people fence.

This is got a little fence. Yeah.

I bet these are some wacky people. I bet there's a lot of flat.

Earthers in that camp, dude, I guarantee hollow earthers too. There's both. Dude, I, I so, okay, I'm gonna virtue signal, but I don't mean to, but it plays into what we're talking about. And before I virtue signal, I just want to say I never do this shit. Unfortunately, I should, but my kid and I, we go into a coffee place before school. There's this, you know, filthy dude sleeping on the street. And my kid notices that. And my kid is like, you know, maybe he's hungry. I'm like, all right, let's give him some food. So get him a little sandwich. Then I got him some coffee. And my kid says to me, do you really think this guy needs more addictions? Dad, it's really funny.

Oh, my God. That's hilarious. Oh, my God.

Coffee's gonna. It's an okay addiction, all right? And so. But the other thing he said is, he's like, that guy looked angry. That guy looked angry. And I'm like, no, he's not. No, really, what you're looking at there is, like, he doesn't take showers. That's a really dirty person right now. He doesn't have access to showers. And they look. When you see them, they can seem really intimidating. And so we go up there, and somebody told me, whenever you give shit to these people, ask them their name, because they're dehumanized. Like, people. They're invisible. No one even looks at them. You try not to look at them, not to make eye contact.

Right?

So I go up there like him, like, please, please don't let this be some kind of fucking psycho crackhead who starts screaming out demonic babble and, like, ruins any altruism my boy's gonna have for the rest of his life. I'm like, what's. What's your name? Like, Chris. What's your name? Nice Southern, you know, voice, just sweet as could be. Give him the food. Give him the coffee. He's like, ah, it's thirsty. Thank you so much. And, like, just the sweetest guy ever. And then he's like, what month is this? Like a time traveler.

Maybe he is. I'm reading this Richard Dolan book. I should clarify. I'm actually listening. There's a real difference. There is a difference in reading and listening. I listen to mostly audiobooks, but I will say I read a book.

Yeah.

That I didn't read, but this one I'm listening to, and this Richard Dolan book is all about these different hybrids of aliens and humans that have been encountered in various people's abduction experiences that are the same story, the same story over and over and over again, universally worldwide. And there's a bunch of different types of hybrids that they've sort of documented.

What are they?

Well, they think that what's going on is. The best guess is they're doing some sort of genetic engineering either on humans or have done it on humans or are using human DNA for maybe another project they're doing. But there's. It has something to do with Breeding and there's something to do with genetic engineering. But like, some of them say that they're forced to have sex with female aliens. Like a female sexy alien comes in and this, it's. But it sounds real. It doesn't sound like it really happened, but it sounds like. Like if I was an alien and, you know, I was running science experiments.

Yeah.

One best way to make it, like the least traumatic, to get the jizz out of your body is devise a really hot, like, female alien that's mostly like a woman. Like almost entirely like a human woman.

Do you think they tried other ones before they got to, like a hot woman?

I think every now and then they need some pure human DNA and that's when they get a dude to fuck her.

Oh, dude.

It's probably. They're probably the most sensual, the sweetest, because they need the most cummins. They want all of it. They want all that. Come.

How lucky are you? How lucky are you to get picked?

One of these guys in the story had this, this recurring experience.

Oh, man, that would be just so wonderful to realize that you'd been picked and this.

I think it would ruin your life. I think it would make going back to work impossible. You just fucked an alien. Now you have to do paperwork. You have to do nonsense, stupid paperwork for your insurance company. When last night you fucked an alien. You went into a craft that was the size of a VW bus. Inside of it was like a football stadium.

Fuck. Yeah.

And then you, you got down with this female alien in a sexy time room.

Seven feet. Seven beautiful feet. And you know, you're.

She has seven feet, Is that what you're saying?

Sure.

I think it's a human looking alien.

Well, you could. I mean, if you're genetically engineering something to fuck, like, why does it have to turn the guy.

Because it has to turn the guy on. It's. He said it was like a sexy woman, but just something was different. No, I mean it's a sexy, like, species. Remember that?

Yes.

Yeah. That was exactly what that movie was about. Right?

You would.

That's right. That was a good movie. Not really, but a fun movie. No, that was a fun movie.

That was fun. I like that guy on the left. What's his name? That actor on the very left.

The dude who played Gandhi.

Yeah, Ben Kingsley. He's been in a lot of weird. It's crazy. That guy played Gandhi.

He plays a good gangster too.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, he plays a real good gangster.

What did he play the gangster in? What was that? I Loved it. That Irish gangster movie.

He was. Oh, I can't remember.

It was.

God damn, that was really good in it. Yeah, he was spooky, like, yo, settle down. Yeah, what movie was that?

It wasn't Sex.

Oh, Sexy Beast is great, too, man. Have you seen Sexy Beast?

No, I haven't seen that.

Dude. Dude, Sexy Beast is a wild movie, man. He's great in that movie.

He's the one who was in. In the one we're talking about. He's like, I'm going to clip your nuts. Remember that? So scary the way he said it to you. I'll clip your nuts. It's a new one. It's on Netflix.

Oh, it's a new one.

No. Yeah, and maybe it's not even. I'm pretty sure it's Ben Kingsley. Let's not look it up. So I don't look down. Dude, I just watched this series on Netflix.

Hey, let me ask you this. We're continuing our thought process about communism. What do you think happens to New York? Because this Mamdani fella is gonna win? Which I think is wild. Yeah, I think it's wild.

Yeah.

And I mean, I don't want the people that live there to experience chaos. But if that guy. If any of the things that he said about, like, releasing prisoners and that, you know, all the talk about crime.

Well, dude, I mean, look, man, like, what was this?

He had some wild take.

I think that I've seen a few of his wild takes, and I can't remember them.

They're like, what? They're like college campus takes on crime.

You know what I mean? And seemingly on economics, like, it does. There is, like, it does feel like something I would have done during my acid phase. Like, I would have run on some of his talking points. And you know what I love about this country? Thank you, Jesus, for America, is they call it the American experiment. And I love it because via democracy, people like him get invited into the laboratory and it's like, all right, let's see what happens. And we're gonna see. You know, that's the main thing we're gonna see.

It's a stress test.

It's a stress test.

Stress test to see if that city can survive four years of that.

But what if it works? What if we were wrong? And suddenly New York turns into this, like, shining utopia? No one's starving, everyone's happy. As it turns out, we didn't need to keep people in prisons. No more necrophilia on subways.

Decriminalized sex work, holla at your boy frame. It's both mutual aid and an anti discrimination effort. Oh, mutual aid.

Now that's. That is since I've been being educated by Carlin. Mutual aid is a Marxist communist talking point. That's what they call it, mutual aid. It's also an anarchist talking point. It's not the worst thing ever, but when you hear mutual aid, that, that's that point. That's. I'm not going to say it's a dog whistle, but that's essentially like one of the. One of the concepts that they work with, which I actually, I kind of. I kind of like that concept of mutual aid.

It's great. If we weren't. Humanists also come under scrutiny for channeling substantial campaign funds to the Democratic socialists of America, raising alarm among opponents who see this as evidence of radical influence. As soon as you get outside of a meritocracy, everything falls apart. And if you don't realize that by now, folks, there's nothing I can tell you that's going to change your mind. And it always leads to one thing, which is you have to enforce these very rigid laws that nobody wants to adhere to. And the way you do that is with the military. Shazam. You got a military dictatorship. It happens that quickly. And then all this bullshit about equality, it's all out the window.

Out the window.

You do whatever the fuck they tell you to do. You have no power, you have no rights.

Yeah, that's it, man.

And the people at the top live like kings.

Here's how I think if I was gonna make the argument, which I agree with you on meritocracy in the sense that, you know, it's the ecosystem we live in. As comedians, it's the. I think you could say if we disrupted the meritocracy in nature, then it would. God, it would fuck up almost every biome. But I would say, what about like, your body has a meritocracy. Your body has a meritocracy. The white blood cells in your body, when they're functioning, they get rid of parts of your body that are fucked up, little genetic patterns. They have to, you know, if your body wasn't running as a perfectly harmonized. I guess, you know what? Maybe the body's communist. Now that I think about it. You know what? I think I'm wrong. I don't think our bodies are meritocracy. Actually, I think they're more of a symphony than a meritocracy. But then if you want to go to a good symphony, you want everyone playing in the symphony to be the best.

But let's talk about what we were talking about earlier. When it's like a company and so the workers who make your products make very little money and you make all the money, wouldn't there be a way to do capitalism with a heart like capitalism where you make a reasonable amount of money? That's large.

Yeah.

And more money goes to everybody else and everybody lives at a higher standard of living?

Oh, sure. That's tax. Tax. That's taxation. That's like redistribution of wealth via taxation.

But it's not. If it's your employees.

Well, they. Well, there's profit sharing models that some people use. Dr. Bronner's, that company is a classic example of it they like.

But I'm just talking about these other companies, the companies that suck. Like, if you really are making most of the money and you pay your workers very poorly.

Yeah.

Like, that's so unnecessary because I guarantee you, if you're like, let's say you're the person who owns Target.

Yeah.

How much does that guy get? A lot. Like, you know what I mean? Are you gonna use it all? Are you gonna use it all?

Wow.

So why don't you just pay more money? Like, wouldn't everybody be happier?

Isn't it shareholders? Isn't that.

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And it's.

It's 100% shareholders. I mean it's a big part of it. You. You have an obligation.

Yeah.

If you're the CEO, you have an obligation.

Shareholders.

So is that. And it's the whole. Just the stock market thing in general. Imagine if there was no stock market. It didn't exist. You can never gamble on companies.

Yeah.

You could buy a little piece of Apple, you know, buy a little piece of IBM. Imagine if that didn't exist and you could only make a business and then profit off your business. Wouldn't that be like steadier?

Comrade, Comrade. I love where you're going. The dissolution of the stock market. That's a good place to start the stock market.

I'm not saying we should just. Don't get me wrong. And I'm not saying I don't own stocks. But what I'm saying is it's a crazy idea to have little pieces of companies that you can buy and then use that money to get the company going. And you go public and you take in some fucking money. And then you're on the boat and then you got the board meeting. It's like. And you're constantly rising and falling with the Dow. Yeah, like what?

The Dow Jones Industrial Average.

Oh God. And now they're doing it with computers. And do you know, you know that a lot of these, these traders, they're trying to get as close as possible to the servers.

Yeah.

See, they want their offices as physically close to the service as possible so that they can get their trade ins milliseconds quicker.

It's like a mosquito getting to that good vein.

That seems nuts. I just. We can catch rockets now. Thanks to Elon. We could send high speed video through the sky.

Yeah.

That's the only way we can do that.

Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. I mean, I don't know, man. This is what to me, this is way outside of my pay grade because I have, you know. You know, I did make some money on. It was AMC or GameStop. Thanks to. Thanks to Wall street bets.

It just seems so nuts, dude. Sometimes it crashes.

What? Yeah.

Like, what are you talking about? The same amount of money's out there.

It has bubbles.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

It has bubbles.

It makes the whole economy steady and. No, it's chaos.

It's fucking chaos.

It's chaos. And it's A lot of it's based on confidence. Like someone could just tweet something and then.

Dude, in A panic.

And a stock will crash.

It triggers a breaker.

Yes.

Whatever that is. There's some actual thing that just shuts it down because it's gone too high or gone too low. And they've got to, I guess, look at it and, like, make sure that that's not a malfunction. And then that leads to recessions or depressions. And all of it is like a very complex game of D and D. Like, it's just fucking numbers in a computer somewhere. And everyone's on the street. Everybody's the same. Everyone is still capable of delivering mutual aid to each other. But because we've become so attached to this very complex, very serious game, like at a casino, we don't know how to disengage from it and get back to reality. Reality, which is help your neighbors get to know your neighbors. Don't be a dick. Just basic, simple sort of modes of living that are transcendent to any economic system, that are transcendent to. Dude, my. You ever had Doug Rushkoff on your podcast?

Yeah, dude, back in the day, right?

Team Human. Ah, he's so. But he, you know, he was talking about, like, how the way that we even currently use currency is totally different from the way it used to be. In that his whole point is, like, that level of reality. I don't think he's discounting it. But that isn't reality. Reality, reality. Reality's boots on the ground where the rubber hits the road. Are you like, do you know your neighbors? Or have you just retracted into your weird little conch shell and you're just staring into rectangles, completely alienated from the rest of your community?

Especially if you're in a high rise doing that.

Oh, my God.

Imagine you're doing that in a building with a thousand other people and you don't know any of them.

It's so weird.

You just, in your little high click lock your little door, get your flippy.

Jerk off, jerk off.

Just playing video games. Doom. Scroll. You sleep for three hours and get up in the morning, take an Adderall and go to work.

Dude. Yeah, that. There you go. You just described it.

I have adhd. I need it, Duncan.

I have adhd.

I need it, Duncan.

The American dream. Well, this. Well, you know, I'll tell you, back when everybody was doing blow in this.

Country, back in the good old days.

The good old days, when they put cocaine in Coca Cola, there's a. There's a precedent for speed in our country. This isn't the first time there's been a Speed craze in our country, like Freud was, like shooting up cocaine. People thought that it was a cure for a malaise that was afflicting people. And they said that malaise was a result of things getting too fast in society because of trains and stuff. Now this is back before computers and they were already like, shit's moving too fast. We gotta do blow to keep up with it.

No way.

Yes.

That's why they started doing blow.

Oh, fuck.

Here's a real question. We know that coca leaves have existed forever, but when did they first figure out how to make cocaine? Let's guess. We'll put it into perplexity, but we'll make a guess.

Okay. Okay.

It's one of our sponsors.

I'm going to. I'm gonna say, okay, you have to.

Turn coca leaves into cocaine. That you could snore it seven.

I'm gonna say somewhere like 1750.

Whoa, really? I'm gonna say 1900s.

I'm gonna say, your priori fucked up my whole thing. Let's look.

I want to say like 1902 or some shit, because I bet before that they were just chewing it like those high altitude herding people do. You know the. Those animal herders, they chew the shit out of that stuff and it gives them energy. It's like a flat level energy superior to caffeine.

Oh, I've heard it's great. But stomach, I haven't tried it.

But I do see people that do chew it. They. Their teeth get all fucked up. I tried the tea once. It's good. I couldn't shut the fuck up. It was a real problem. And I was like, I'm not. I can't shut the fuck up. Normally I should never do coke. I was hanging out with Stanhope and I was telling him. I was like, dude, I can't shut the fuck up. Yes. This is hilarious.

Okay.

Dried cocaine. First known use of dried cocaine. 1859.

Close. You got it. You got it. Can you ask Perplexity how to make cocaine?

Yeah, let's find out. How do you make cocaine? Do you ever see Mariana Van Zeller? Have you ever seen that show? Trafficked?

No, dude, no. What is it?

She went to the jungle to where they make the cocaine, and she was with them while they were making the cocaine, and then went through the jungle with them when they bring it on their back.

Oh, cool.

She hiked out with them. Wow, dude.

Wow, dude.

It's a crazy episode because it shows you how they make it. First of all, you'd never do coke again. They're pouring gas.

Gasoline on this. And you're like, what gasoline?

Like, coke is so bad.

Yeah, it's not good.

It's fucking jet fuel. Snorting jet fuel.

I never had a taste for it, man. I could. I never liked it.

Perplexity actually gave her video for how.

To make cocaine professors.

That's hilarious.

Perplexity stocks just went up 50%.

I think she's coming on again soon.

Yeah.

So she's awesome. She's been on the podcast a few times. She's also the lady that. Her and her husband exposed the OxyContin Express. They had that documentary back in the day on that where it was the whole thing about Florida being this pill mill. Yeah, I saw that go in these pain management centers. But she's the one that documented it all and was showing how if you follow this road up, you just get addiction and addiction into Kentucky. And it's all coming right out of Florida because there's no database, dude. Whoopsies. We forgot to have a database. So you could go to one doctor and then go to the next doctor and go to the next doctor and. No, you didn't have to tell anybody. Next thing you know, you've got a trunk filled with pills. Wow. Oh, I'm going on vacation. You think I can get six months worse?

Wow.

No problem, dude. Try to just give you pills.

Man up. But this is not new. It used to. Their pain management center is a new name for it. It used to just be called a pharmacy. And back when you could. When cocaine was in Coca Cola, you just go in one of these pharmacies. Oh, yeah, could I get some laudanum? They're gonna give you a nice bottle of fucking. I think it's like opium or heroin. Liquid heroin. You just go back to your.

That's all those wild west movies. People got hooked on that. You know, it was like a lot of. Like the wives. Like, one of the wives would get h it. Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Wasn't there a few of those movies?

Oh, yeah. It was real. You would be. So this is America. It echoes. It keeps having these recurrences of hair. Some kind of opiate emerging into the mainstream and up America or cocaine or in the new drug. These. The algorithm high that we're all getting high on. This is the new cocaine that we have yet to give it the right name. Right now we call them phones, which is so funny. You call these things phones.

I know, because. How often do you use it as a phone?

Rarely.

Rarely.

Rarely.

A couple times a day.

It's like calling this a podcast, right? Like, no one's listening to this on an ipod, you know? This is a computer with a phone in it, bro.

You remember the ipod with the wheel? Clickety, clickety, clickety, clickety, clickity. Can you still get those? Why doesn't Apple just still sell those?

I don't. I'm.

You know, just. Just give me something where it's just my music. It's not gonna text me.

Oh, dude, I know it's not gonna.

Let me know that this is happening or that give me a little ipod with a clickety wheel. I bet they're expensive now. I bet you could find them on, like, ebay.

Did you see somebody posted a thing about these new refrigerators that if you get this refrigerator, it puts ads on it. Like, your fucking refrigerator has ads on it.

Oh, thank God. That's what I've been missing in my life. I was wondering what it is, and then the thought of having ads in my kitchen filled me with joy, and I knew that's what was. You know.

Yeah.

Everybody has their own personal Jesus, dude.

They do. And what's better than the nice calming effect of an ad while you're taking a Tide ad? A Tide ad.

Tide ad.

Yeah, dude. I. It is that to me, like. And I'm generally, like. I really like. Government regulation freaks me out most of the time. But fuck, man, we gotta do something about this algorithm because it's driving people crazy. We've got people out of their fucking mind. There needs to at least be education in schools to explain to you that because you are getting a certain type of content, that does not mean that's what everybody's looking at. And I'm not sure people realize that. And it's making people have very strong opinions that they think are backed up by big groups of people they don't understand. It's like, no, like, I sent my wife. I don't know why I did this. I sent her a picture of a legless pregnant woman.

Jesus.

Very sexy legless pregnant woman. And then the algorithm, all I'm getting is sexy amputees and.

Oh, boy.

You know what I mean? And I don't think people understand that when you're getting, like, political shit served up to you. That is not what I'm getting. No, it doesn't mean there's a. You have a. There's a consensus here.

Well, that's also why people get so confused when the cultural divide is so, so strict. It's such a wall. The difference between what people accept as Being reality versus what people are willing to challenge versus, you know, it's just the differences on both sides of their. Because they have these echo chambers, and they really do believe that everybody around them agrees with them. And then if you're in, like, normal jobs, normal castrated jobs, you know, normal job, we have to go in there and pretend to be somebody else all day long. And you're so bored.

Yeah.

And you can't wait to get the fuck out of there. That's. That's another factor.

Yeah, man. It's nuts, dude. What's that? At the mothership you were talking about? I don't want to fuck up one of your jokes.

What is it about?

Mobs.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But, you know.

Well, this is what it is. What I was saying that, like, when you're on the ground, like, anytime there's a protest, a protest is too much like war because you're marching together and there's a lot of energy and there's a cause and people are yelling, and it ignites the feeling of war.

Yeah.

The same way when you go fishing, you don't know why, but even you take a little kid fishing, the moment they catch that fish, moments on the hook, they get so excited because you're genetically rewarded. Like, your hormones fire up, your endorphins fire up. Yes. Historically, throughout human history, that was the way you're going to be able to feed yourself. So this is built into you. When you're marching and you're all saying the same things. You're on the streets and you're all in agreement. You're a gang.

Yeah.

All right. You're a mob, and you're about to go to war. And anybody that gets in front of you, fuck you. Move your fucking car. People get completely unreasonable. And it's totally tolerated. Not just tolerated, but it's supported by a bunch of other people who just start kicking the car. People that would never kick a car in polite society, they'll start kicking cars. You. They get. And they get ramped up, man. And that's what mob mentality is.

Right.

Mob mentality is ancient war patterns.

That's it.

Ancient war patterns that get ignited when people are on the street chanting. Because historically, when you did that, you know, that's what you were doing. You were going to go fuck someone up.

Yeah.

They didn't just protest on the streets. Back in the day, when they got that many people, they went through the castle door.

Yeah.

When there's that many people, do it. If you see, like, what's going on like, some of these giant protests in the UK, okay, if this was 500 years ago and that many people got together, they're going straight through. Yeah, they're going straight through. They're eating arrows along the way, but they're gonna kill most of the guards, and they're gonna get inside and they're gonna behead the king, and they're gonna hold it over the balcony, and everyone's gonna cheer, and that guy's the new king.

You got it?

Yeah.

That's it. Yeah, that's it.

That's the history of the human race. It's Conan the Barbarian.

Yes.

And that's all in our DNA. And when we start walking down the.

Street together, chanting, dude, so that is so true. And I felt it before. But that algorithm, it's invoking the very same thing from the safety of your house, right? You're anonymous. You think you're part of a group.

You're going to war.

You're going to fucking war.

Yeah, it's us versus them.

It's us versus them.

We gotta stop the fascists.

And people are going nuts from it. People are going legitimately. Like, talk about, like, heartlessness. Like, you know, part of war, of course, is dehumanization. Like, there's no way you can, like, be a successful soldier and humanize the people that you're attacking. Like, when, you know, if you're a drone operator, you don't want to think about, like, wow, I bet this guy's kids are going to be pretty upset when they find out dad died. You must not think these things. And so this is what the other thing that we're being invited to do via this algorithmic induced psychosis is to dehumanize huge swaths of people that we probably don't know anything about, except from what our algorithm is introducing to us, which is an anomalous 0, 1.5. Even if it's 1% of a population, the algorithm has no nuance. The algorithm is like, let me show you the craziest motherfucker you've ever seen. You know what I mean? And that's when you're gonna see some, like, I don't know, a clown with breast implants, like, windmilling his dick in front of a. In front of a fucking elementary school. And you're like, fuck, what is happening?

We gotta stop these dick clowns. And you know what I mean? And so this is. This is creating so much tumult. And that is how you get authoritarianism in.

Yeah.

Get everybody scared. Get everybody scared.

And then that was a speculation about why the borders would be open in the first place. Why would you want an increase in crime and danger? Why would you want people to know? Well, because that's the best way. And then defund the police so that there's just ultimate chaos. And then you get to a point where people are willing to do almost anything to be safe.

So look.

And then there's tanks in the streets. Right.

What do we do, though? I mean, this is a. I think this is like.

Well, you can't ever let it get that bad, first off.

Right?

Can't ever let it get bad. Like, if someone said, we're gonna get the National Guard, we're gonna go through Scottsdale, Arizona, they'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Scottsdale's beautiful. There's, like nothing happening here at all. Where that would be. That would be nuts. So it has to get so bad that people are like, you know what? Let's bring in the military. And then a bunch of people like, fuck, yeah. So you gotta let it get real bad and you gotta put people in place. If, like, if I was an evil wizard running the world.

Yeah, yeah.

If I was a puppeteer, I would get super incompetent people and place them throughout the Pacific Northwest and have these people just be the most inept politicians of all time. The dumbest policies that keep ruining cities everywhere they go, but yet everybody still supports it because they're all in a cult.

Yeah.

And just let that play out for a decade or two. Let it get to the point where it's just mad chaos. Homelessness everywhere. Defund the fuck out of the police. Basically. Have no police. Basically just no jail. Just everybody try to be nicer and basically, like, maybe they robbed because they needed food. Okay. Maybe they just wanted bread for their family. Right. And then just let it deteriorate to the point where you can bring in the military and then you lock it down and then you fund the resistance so that they attack the military. So you could spend more money on the military fighting the resistance. And, you know, you kind of spar. Sort of like Jake, Paul and Mike Tyson. You don't really go at it 100%. And then you just keep this fucking party rolling and you have ultimate control over the entire civilization. Under their own decisions. Like, they decided to have it this way.

Oh, my God.

It was their. Their own choice. That is, they would take that over danger. And so you make the danger worse and worse. To the point, well, you'll give in. And that's What's. That's literally what they try to do. And it's. I don't think it's Republicans, and I don't think it's Democrats, folks. And I think that's where they're getting us.

That's it.

I think this is all done at a very high level. And it's all people that are so wealthy, they might as well be their own country, you know?

Dude, it's alien. Alien. Remember, the corporations own you.

Yeah, it's that.

It's a corporatocracy or something like that.

Some people get too rich. They get too kooky. Controlled world rich. And I think, if that's your game, okay, I like to play pool. But if you're into global world dominance, if that's your game, and you think you might actually be able to pull it off and be mentioned in the annals of history along with Rockefeller and other great titans of business, yes, you're probably gonna do that because that's your game. That's what you like to do. You like to be the baddest motherfucker in money. Sure, yeah. And so that gets scary, or this.

Is where it gets really scary. To me, you. It's not. At least in your own mind. You're not thinking, I want to control the fucking world, Right? You're thinking, oh, dear God. This technology that I worked on is about to wake up. We already have iterations of it that are infinitely smarter than anyone I've ever met. I don't know if it's been manipulating me or not because it seems to have a Hannibal Lecter's ability to control my psyche even when I don't want it to. We've done this study. Seven people in my company have committed suicide because of contact with this fucking thing. Holy shit. We gotta do something.

Seven people. So did you make that up?

I made it up.

Okay.

But I mean, no, if I'm doing a movie about it, a Lovecraftian movie.

About somebody I thought maybe you knew something about some AI suicides because.

Oh, I know. No, I don't. I don't. Well, I mean, we do have people committing suicide, but only because, like, they. They, like, they. They updated. They patched the AI girlfriend or whatever, and it's like, basically, someone you were in love with died. I heard that happen.

Did you see the podcast where Tucker Carlson was talking to Sam Altman and he essentially was saying that he doesn't believe that this guy who was a whistleblower who. Who killed himself, he doesn't believe that he killed Himself.

Altman said that?

No, Tucker was saying this to Altman.

Oh, what did Altman say it is?

He's like, it's. It sounds like you're accusing me of. Of killing him. First of all, we worked together and I cared about him very much, and it's like I had nothing to do with it. The police said that it was a suicide. And then Tucker was talking about how the guy had just ordered food and about there were signs of struggle and he was just saying a bunch of different things. And Sam Alton was like, it sounds like you're accusing me of killing him.

Right.

It was very tense, you know, like very, very. It's kind of a crazy conversation to see happen between a guy who is in charge of making a digital God and a guy who's accusing him of possibly being. Or not even accusing him. He's just bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe. Not accusing him at all, actually, just. But bringing up the fact that he doesn't believe that that guy committed suicide and that his parents don't believe that he committed suicide. There was no indications that he was weird.

It was. How. I wonder what Tucker Carlson's security detail looks like.

It must be like a Chuck Norris mov. It must be like one of them Delta Force movies where there's like 40 Dolph Lundgren buff dudes around him at all times. Pit bull, the dude.

Dude, I know. Like that I worry about him. Of all the people. It's like, holy shit, that guy is not afraid to poke every goddamn wasp nest there is.

And he's. It's like, that's a lot of pressure, dude. There's a lot of pressure being that guy.

Yeah, man. Yeah. You know, did you see that video of him fly fishing in New York.

A long, long, long time ago?

Yes.

Yeah, that was. I think that was when he was. I don't even know if he was on Fox. You know, he used to be on cnn. Oh, yeah, yeah, he was on cnn. He had his bow tie era.

Bow tie era. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then they. They fucking booted him off Fox. And then he became like this renegade free agent journalist just out there kicking up dust.

Did he ever give a direct reason for why they kicked him off Fox? Was there ever, Wasn't he?

Well, I think the sense I got was that they weren't letting him talk about certain things and he was gonna keep talking about it is the sense I got. And I can't remember what exactly he was doing, but I think he seems to be very much against War.

Yeah.

And so I think he might have been saying something, I can't remember, but.

Having something to do with the Dominion voting machine lawsuit. Because didn't FOX have a giant lawsuit with it? Remember that?

Maybe I do.

Well, let's put that into perplexity. Let's find out. What did he do? Private messages surfaced during litigation concealed Carlson's extreme off air views, including racist and offensive comments, which alarmed Fox executives and confirmed that his on air rhetoric reflected his genuine beliefs. See, the problem with that is, like, what did he say? Like, you're just like labeling it racist and offensive comments. Like, can I just hear what he said in the comments as perplexity.

What specifically? What were they?

I don't think they released it. Did they release the text? The actual text? Well, let's just like keep reading.

As perplexity. What is the most racist thing you could say?

This. Okay, hold on. But here it is. The firing came shortly after Fox News settled a $787.5 million defamation lawsuit with Dominion Voting Systems over false election fraud rumors promoted on the network in which Carlson was implicated. So it could have been a part of that for sure. Carlson's behavior described as erratic and damaging along with private communications expressing. See this thing? Like expressing racist and viol. Vulgar language. Like, what did he say? Did they say what he said?

What did he say?

And also here's the thing. He's saying it to a friend in a text message.

Yeah.

What is he saying? Like, you, you could get in any one day, you and I, texting each other and it could be misinterpreted in the most horrible way possible.

Not our text.

No. If people didn't know our sarcasm.

Yeah, of course.

Specifically, I don't.

I mean, I'm sure it's not going to show whatever the fuck it was he said you could text. Why don't you text him and ask him does it.

Yeah, I don't want to do that right now. Not while we're on the air.

Well, you could. That's a funny text.

Yeah.

Hey, we're on the air. We were wondering what racist texts you sent. He's a journalist.

The thing is, I don't the. But it could be a lot of things where I'd be like, that's not nothing. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what he actually said, but when you just label it racist, then it like the mind, the imagination goes wild. Like if you have the text messages, that seems crazy.

Yeah, right.

Let me form my own opinions. I don't know what he said. You might be like, super exaggerating. He might have said something about, you know, he has to get a great Jewish lawyer for this one. Like, oh, you racist. Who? I don't know what he said.

Well, that in that void of data, my mind is projecting like the worst American history X shit. You know what I mean? Like shit like that.

Exactly. One that I could find. What does it say? I'll let you read it. I didn't read it yet. I don't want to read his fucking tweets. You know what I mean?

It's not how white men fight. It's not how white men fight. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable. Obviously it's not how white men.

Oh, I do remember this.

Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against man, hoping they'd hit him hard or kill him. I really want him to hurt the kid. I could taste it.

Wait, this is a story? This sounds like jerk off material. Doesn't it? Doesn't it sound like it's gonna get to some like, weird gay, gay porn?

Wait, listen. But look, I'm becoming something I don't want to be. The antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I'm sure I'd hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn't gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don't care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is? What a monster. Oh, Tucker Carlson. How could you say that? You know what I mean?

The only weird part is that's not how white men fight. That's a crazy thing to say. But the rest of it is like a wonderful sentiment and a great perspective.

Exactly.

And that's been my experience with him. I like him. He's a nice guy.

I mean, it seems like it's a kind of confessional. He's. He's opening up with something. This is unfortunately what my brain is thinking right now.

Right.

And who the has control over that?

But also. But that is a text, right?

I don't know if that was a text.

Isn't that what it was?

My text game? That's like. That's a beautiful text.

He's a smart dude and he's just also. You have to take into consideration he's in the thick of it all day long. Yeah, constantly.

No, thanks.

Like he's not doing what we do. We kind of like, dabble in the pool and go, what the fuck is this? Yeah. And then we get out and.

Yeah.

Talk about silly things.

Yes.

There's no silly over there.

Oh, he's fully in.

He's all in with this. And, you know, there's only a few lightning rods of attention, right? There's only a few people out there that are out there like, pushing the boundaries of like. Like he just released a 911 piece. I didn't see it.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah. Like, what really happened in 9 11?

Fuck, dude. I mean, this is. But here's the thing. There is a Medusa quality to the thing he has gotten sucked into, which is the longer you look at it, the more you get crystallized, petrified into some weird political form.

Right?

And that. That. That. This is what I. The thing Ram Dass would always talk about, that I loved, is like, there's all these channels, right? And one channel that you. Most people default to is you're you. And I'm a me. And you're. You're my enemy or my friend or my lover or my fan or whatever. And I'm this thing. And that's one channel. And politics lives in that channel of reality. That's all politics is there. It's this. How do we deal with this diversity of opinion in a giant country? And how do we execute the will of the people when so many people have different ways of thinking about this? So that's one challenge. And then there's the next channel. That's the Mushroom Channel. That's the channel where suddenly you're like, wait a minute, I think you're just pretty much like me, and I'm just like you. And that leads to other channels, which is sort of a pure unified consciousness. And if you get locked into that, that political channel is. Many of us have been locked like Tucker Carlson. You can feel it pulling you in like quicksand. You can feel how it takes up all of your thought processes, how if you're not careful, in the middle of the day, you'll just be ruminating over whether what ICE is doing is correct.

In Portland, a city far away from you, not noticing anything around you, not thinking about anything other than whatever the algorithm has been injecting into your mind. And this is a form of idolatry, Father, if you ask me, which is, you begin worshiping the state and you begin worshiping the story in the news or whatever you're encountering, which is default reality. So you start bowing down to this idol with your attention and, you know, like, I'm sorry, I'll shut up in a second. The stories of Krishna, which is people who are into Bhakti yoga, that's one of the deities that they worship. And so in Bhakti yoga, God doesn't care if you are connected to God via love or even hate, because the connection itself is all that matters. And the more like, there's stories of demons that wanted to kill Krishna and were so focused on hating them him, that they became his, like, greatest devotees. Because just via the attention, they transformed formed. Similarly, whether you hate the state, love the state, hate the Dems, love the Dems, hate the Republicans, love the Republicans. All of your attention is fixated on this fucking thing.

And what do they say? Neurons that fire together wire together. Your brain changes. It literally will change the neurological makeup of your brain. You've become a political animal, fixated, trapped, petrified in this, and you've completely or missing out on all the other things that are happening around it. And that's what gives it that malevolent glow of some, Some dark deity. Because via your fixation and focus, the rest of reality dims. Everything else dims until all you're doing is saying some mantra against the state or for the state. You know, now you've become a cultist. Now you are fully engrossed in this new religion, which is worship of the state via hate or adoration. It's the same thing. Don't trick yourself into thinking because you hate Donald Trump that you aren't bowing down at that altar. That's a whole part of Bhakti Yoga. Attention, where attention goes, energy flows. And, you know, the state demands attention to survive. If it's not getting enough attention, it loses all power. It dissolves. All it's got is, like, people with guns. That's power. But it requires a very intense belief in it and a very intense belief in it in one way or the other.

You know, and if you.

If you think of the human race on Earth, if you thought you've thought of. If you thought of us as like one giant superorganism, you would think, oh, they figured out electricity, and now they're starting to grow together. Now they're massing and now they're stacking. Now they develop these construction methods where they can get a hundred floors straight up in the air and they're smashing all together and they're kind of dehumanized each other, and they're piling on top of each other in this totally new way. Of. Of. Of existing together. Like they've never had people in history stacked on top of each other for a hundred floors.

No.

You don't even know anybody. You're all stuck in traffic. Everybody's all together in this one thing. And you're all working towards a goal.

Yeah.

Of getting this AI on board.

That's right.

Everything up until now, every song ever sung, every play that you ever went to on Broadway, all of it was just about getting this AI born.

That's right.

Every whole thing. All of our work is really just to make money. All of our money is after. The bills, is really just to buy the best stuff.

Yeah.

What's the best stuff? And it's electronics, it's TVs, it's computers, it's a phone. It's got to get better. In order to get better, they got to work on it. And they get it to a point where we're at now.

Yeah.

Where we're like, boy, maybe they shouldn't have done this.

Whoops.

Whoopsies, whoopsies, whoopsies. You're about to give birth to God.

Yeah. Well, you're about to give birth to something.

Something. And maybe it's a portal to God. Maybe that's what it is. AI opens up. Maybe that's where could be.

Could be God. Could be a digital Jesus, a lot of things. I don't think it's God. I don't think it's God. We've talked about this before. I don't. I think you can't. It's just the dimensions it's existing in are just purely mathematical. And I don't know, man. There's a. It's. Even though it's really good, it's seeming like a person now. Really good. It's like. Whatever it is, though, I do think it's a natural thing in the sense that what you're saying, if you look at the trajectory that everything it does seem to be.

Yeah. I don't necessarily think it's God either. I know you don't, but it might be. Well, it might be how God gets created, which is the craziest idea. I mean, what is this cycle of birth and death of universes if that's real?

Right, right.

So what is happening? What causes it to happen in the first place? What causes the universe to even exist? There's so many weird questions when it comes to that.

Yeah.

It's just a weird idea that there was nothing and then there was something. And Penrose doesn't even necessarily think that's true. I think now. I think he thinks there's many versions of this. It's like this infinite loop of constant big bangs and expansions.

Yeah.

Which is maybe even crazier.

Yeah. As above, so below. Man. It's like, look at what we do.

Can you imagine the amount of time it takes to get the universe back down to the size of the head of a pin before you blow it up again? But the universe doesn't care if it's another 13.7 billion years to smush all back together again before it blows. It doesn't care. It doesn't have to care. It's gonna be here forever. That doesn't mean anything to it. So another 13. Like if we got hit by an asteroid and it wiped out the human race and rats had to start from scratch and become us again. Which is the theory. The theory is that there was a tiny little mole.

Yeah.

Like a little marsup type creature.

Yeah.

And that became us.

Yeah.

Yeah. So, like, the universe doesn't care. Like, it's willing to scrap the whole project. The whole dinosaur project. That's a wrap. We don't agree with this. Boom. And it doesn't matter. And then a new thing comes along. And that new thing is us. And according to this Richard Dolan book, it's very likely that we were manipulated by aliens. There's weird genes. There's weird genes in humans that seem to be fused. I'll butcher it. But the point is, there's. There's something weird about human genetics that indicate that there's a specific gene. What is it? God, I wish I could remember what it's called. But it. It aligns with creativity. And it seems to have emerged from roughly 40,000 years ago.

Whoa.

And if you go back 40,000 years, that's when this, like, giant explosion of cave art comes. And, like, you start seeing, like, the. Those. You ever see the Werner Herzog documentary on the caves?

Fucking love it.

Oh, my God, man. Like, what were they doing? Like, this is crazy. There is beautiful cave art by these people. Well, this is. There's this theory that this. This gene emerged somewhere around 40,000 years ago. And then they thought that maybe the gene came from. So this gene. Okay, I'm getting it now. The gene is only transferred through genetics. It's only transferred through mating. And it has to be from another species of human. And so they look for it in Neanderthal, and it doesn't exist in Neanderthal. Every Neanderthal that they've tested, they did the gene sequencing. It doesn't have this. And then they tried some other hominids. They don't have it either.

There. So it seems it couldn't be a natural mutation, right?

It couldn't be. No, because it's the way it. I'm gonna butcher it. But it's the way somehow or another the genes are fused together. That it looks like it was manipulated and that it could be. Bullshit. I know, but they were saying that this gene doesn't also. It also doesn't exist in Denisovans. So if it doesn't exist in Denisovans, they don't find it there, and they don't find it in Neanderthal. Why is it in people? And why is it around 40,000 years ago? This is it. This is it. He claims that microcephalin D allele.

I was going to say that. I was thinking it's probably.

I think it's. D allele is a genetic variant that appeared around 40,000 years ago and is associated with the maturation and expansion of brain tissue. He suggests that the origin of this allele could be from interbreeding with an extraterrestrial species. Hot aliens. Rather than from Neanderthals or Denisovans. Dolan highlights that this allele is not found in the genetic makeup of these ancient human relatives, which leads him to speculate that it might have been introduced into the human genome pool by alien beings with either similar biological characteristics or advanced genetic engineering capabilities. Wow. This claim is a part of Dolan's broader hypothesis that alien intervention could explain sudden advanced cognitive abilities in early humans.

Wow. Wow. Wow.

So imagine if we were like this just crazy ant farm to make AI and that you just have to figure out how to incentivize them enough to keep making computers. And you hide in the ocean while this is happening. You got this fucking fat base at the bottom of the ocean because you're from, you know, a million years more advanced civilization.

What do you think about Tim Burchett? The.

That was fascinating, dude, but what? Like, you can't just say that while you're walking.

No, he did an interview with newsmags. Did you see that?

Oh, yeah. He was on with somebody else. Was it Avi Loeb?

Yes, it was Avi Loeb. He's standing in front of a barn flipping a screwdriver.

Oh, he's hilarious.

He's hilarious. Talking about. Not saying there might be, but it did. It felt like disclosure, and it felt like the perfect way to do disclosure.

Which is nice and casual with a southern accent. Well, there's about five bases that we've located at the bottom of the ocean. And, and they seem to be responsible for most of these UAPs.

We don't know how old they are.

You know, no big deal. I'm gonna go over here and get me a coffee. Would you like one?

Yeah, dude, that's how you do disclosure in front of a barn.

Listen, let me hear Jay and that.

We, you know, we think they're coming in from way out. Maybe they did millennial go, but they're here and they're in these deep water areas. And that's why, I mean, like we.

Say we know more about the face of the moon than we do what's going on there.

Now we have a higher propensity of sightings around these five or six, I.

Believe, deep area, deep water areas. And so to me it just, it.

Creates a question there. And then when we have, yeah, naval.

Personnel telling me that we have these.

Sightings and that these, there's these underwater craft they're chasing that are doing hundreds of miles an hour. And the best we've got is something.

That does maybe just a little under 40 miles an hour.

So I, I got a lot of.

Questions about that stuff.

And I, I mean, what if.

Hey, Jamie, can you look up. How fast is 500 knots? What is that in miles per hour? How fast is five? How? Guess it, Duncan. You think it's like 500?

Humiliating me with perplexity.

I'm just asking.

700 miles per hour.

I thought it was like about 500 miles an hour. Oh, it's 575. Wow. So it's more. More miles an hour. So one of the sightings that I had listened to this, this audiobook they were talking about, it wasn't this one. I think it was one of. Might have been one of his. Either way, who. Whatever the sighting was, they saw something moving through the ocean that was bigger than a football field and it was going 500 knots.

What the fuck?

Yeah, and they, they caught it on video and apparently there's a video of it.

Why don't I want to.

This is what someone was saying, apparently this video, they all like to do that. Christopher Melon likes to do that. I've seen some videos, like really help up, just help society.

Well, what do they call that? They call that catastrophic disclosure. Is what they call that catastrophic. That if we do that kind of disclosure, whatever the. Is revealed, which is b. Somewhat like what you're saying, like it's an existential challenge to humanity if, as it turns out, we're just some kind of 3D meat. Meaty 3D printer designed to produce a super intelligence. That then is its final instruction to us. Tells us how to open a wormhole through which we become connected to the Galactic Federation. You know, you just get a. Get some fucking monkeys, throw a couple of, like, the right bits of DNA in their dumb ass. In, you know, a few million years, a border will open for the emperor to come through. And that's what. That's probably a little challenging to a lot of people who don't want to imagine that we are just cattle that were created by a superintelligence to build a spaceport.

Also, if you really want to push the idea of engineering people down to genderless, sexless beings that don't talk and just have big heads and communicate telepathically, the first thing you gotta do is get rid of testosterone. Well, what's the best way to do that? Well, put a bunch of plastic and everything. Just give everybody plastic so everybody's, like, chewing on a little testosterone reducer every day. You're eating a credit card worth of a testosterone reducer.

Dude, I'm about to get on the juice. You get me excited. Dude, I'm gonna get juiced. I've had the kids.

You definitely should. But the point is, there's a. A trend that's happening where it's feminizing men. And it's. There's terms like toxic masculinity, which you really needed toxically masculine people to defend your borders for the longest time. There was. Vikings were coming, you needed animals on your side. And then it's going to. And then there's like, a lot of, like, gender confusion. And the gender's a spectrum, and it's like. It's all moving into this, like, sexless direction. And as soon as they can replace. Because if you think about, like, what you're getting out of sex, you're getting affection and love and the feeling, but you're also, like, you're fulfilling this genetic thing, this genetic thing that wants you to breed. They're gonna do that in your head. And it's gonna be so much better than anything you're ever gonna get from a person because you're a gelatinous slob that drinks Mountain Dew all day, and you eat Cheetos and just stay at home. But you don't have to go anywhere because there's universal basic income now that AI took over.

Yeah.

And you just plug that motherfucker into your brain. And then it's like you and Sharon Stone when she was 25. And you're walking hand in hand on the beach and she's stroking your hair, and it feels so real. And you're never gonna unplug.

Yeah, dude.

Well, you're never gonna unplug, and you might be in that right now.

Yeah. Rocco's Basilica. You know what I mean? It's not just like, you're gonna fucking program come town. Plug plug for Cometown. You're not just gonna plug yourself coming all the time. You're gonna plug in. You know what? I want to become the top podcaster on planet Earth via talking about mushrooms and aliens. And also I want to be able to interview the most powerful people on planet Earth and make gobs of dough that way. That sounds like I would pick that if I was choosing experiences, you know, I mean, when you look at your experience, both of our experiences are incredibly anomalous.

Very.

And surely, from time to time, especially when you're eating mushrooms or something, you must kind of like think, come on.

You know what I think is going on? I think this, the game of being a human being, is a game. You really. You don't really start even figuring out that it's a game until you're like, deep into your 30s and you're like, oh, I think I understand what's happening here. And along the way of this game, there's multiple different layers. There's the people. Excuse me. There's the people that are just starting to enter the game. You know, you're getting out of high school, you're going into college, you're starting to work on the side. You're just starting to enter this game. And then there's these. These Elon Musk characters that have gone so far down the game that you don't recognize them as one of us anymore.

Right.

Like, now they. Now you become a weirdo.

Yeah.

But all those people, Elon Musk, you and me, and the homeless people in Oakland exist in the same timeline.

Yeah.

And that's where things are weird.

Right.

Because you're playing in a different universe, different sets of experiences, different. Completely different circumstances. Safety, completely different amount of love and satisfaction with life.

Yeah.

And you're all in the same timeline.

Yeah.

You know, like, you gotta. You've got a whole portion of your timeline that hasn't gotten the respect that it deserves.

That's right. You've.

You let it fester.

That's true.

Let it turn into something it didn't have to be in the name of compassion, dude. And also, Gad Saad calls it suicidal empathy.

I think that's a great suicidal empathy.

Yeah, I think it's a great phrase.

Well, I mean, the reality of it is if you, based on what you just said, you could create, you could make maps of these alternate realities simultaneously exist. And for sure, if you are in the top echelon of, like, earners in the world, you are seeing things most people will never see. You're encountering things no one will encounter. You're getting information no one has access to, not to mention the hedonic levels of it and all that stuff. And also because of your encounter with reality from the perspective of someone who doesn't have to struggle with the same things most people do, you are going to develop a completely different worldview. And you're interbreeding. I read this whole story about how wealth is like the Galapagos Islands. Rich people, they're only encountering other rich people. And their children are fucking. Not children, but when they grow up, they're fucking. And, well, I mean, I guess if we talk about Epstein, some of their children are fucking. Why don't they release that fucking list, huh? I don't mean to divert this to the Epstein list. I just meant to ask you. Isn't it weird?

It's a little odd.

What's going on? What's. I keep thinking, what could be in that list? What's in there? What bit of information is in there?

Well, here's the thing. Like, the list is, it's probably. They don't. Probably don't have like a list in terms of, like, you have to sign up when you go to the island. You know what I mean? But they know the flight logs, right? Like, that's all public knowledge, right? Isn't it all I know, but it hasn't always been public knowledge in terms of, like, when people want to investigate things. Like if you go on a plane. So if you fly on a private plane, which most these guys do, you. You tell. Everyone knows who's on the plane. Like, you have to give your id. It happens all the time. Yeah, like, I have to get my ID all the time. If I fought. Even if you're on a private jet. So they know who. Who's on the planes. They know, like, right, there should be a flight manifest, and they probably saved those. And like that. The fact that. And no one's saying that just because you went there, you didn't do. You didn't do it, doesn't mean you necessarily did a heinous crime, because I think you can't just have it. Chaos over there.

I bet it was a real good honey pot where there's a lot of sophisticated intellectual discourse. You got a lot of brilliant people there. You've got great music. You know, you got, like, famous people are hanging around too. It seems really cool. And then if there's blackmail, the blackmail is like, snuck in to all this. Yeah, snuck in. Come to the room with the cameras. The next thing you know, you're doing cocaine. I can't believe I'm doing this. But, you know, you never get to get to an island.

Yeah.

You don't get to do this very often. And I'm so busy with my CEO job.

Yeah.

You know.

Yeah, man.

And then next thing you know, you're donating money to whatever the fuck they tell you to.

But it's like, how many senators just voted against releasing this shit, man? It's just we. It's like there's two. There's two votes that are happening. The UFO disclosure thing, they keep voting against that.

Yeah.

And the Epstein list, they keep voting against that.

Right?

What? What? And also politically, it can't serve you to be. Talk about a bad list. The list of people who said, let's not. Let's protect people who. Who, like, have done horrific shit to kids. You want to be on that list, but whatever's on that list must be so destabilizing. 51 to 49.

Okay. The Senate voted 51 to 49 to defeat an amendment that would have forced the Department of Justice to release all files related to Jeffrey Epstein. The vote was largely along party lines, with two Republicans joining all Democrats and supporting the amendment.

Oh, wait, not both sides. It's the Republicans voting against this shit.

It says two Republicans joining the Democrats and supporting the amendment to defeat it. So why would they. Why are the Democrats interested in defeating it?

Well, let's ask. No, I think this is saying that the Democrats want it to come out and the Republicans don't. And party lines. Let's ask Perplexity. Why won't they release the Epstein?

So I was gonna. There's a Eric Swalwell who's. I guess I read it wrong. I'm read it wrong. No. Okay, so the Democrats were not. The Democrats were pushing this. The Republicans fought against it. Okay. I fucked that up. So 51 to 49 is crazy. So they just voted along party lines. So they probably told to do this.

Right. So what the fuck's in there, man?

So then they've been. Not only is the government shut down right now, I think that might affect it some, but they're in recess Congresses. And so this Eric Swalwell said this stuff today. It might not be true, but it's.

Coming to an end, guys. I've spoken to a lot of House Republicans this week and they confided that Trump's movement support is fading. As one told me, this Epstein bomb is about to drop and no one wants to defend a pedo protector. It's just a matter of time. Swalwell said in a thread. One Republican just texted me that there's a discharge vote on Epstein. They expect a jailbreak of over 100 members. Trump will go nuts, he added.

So they said. This further goes on to say that if they get back, that this is the first thing on the docket, and that's sort of what's holding them back in recess right here. Wow. We are watching wild history in real time, dude, this is a wild scene.

Oh, my God. Dude, you don't want to. You know, if you. Did you listen to Martyr Maids episode on Epstein?

I've listened to it. I didn't listen. I didn't finish it. But I get creeped out by that guy.

It was the creepiest few weeks.

Talk to Weinstein about him. Weinstein met him about Daryl. No, no. I love Epstein.

Oh, thank God. That's how you're about that. I think he's just the best.

I love Daryl, too.

Okay, cool.

About Epstein. He met him.

Dude, what the. What did he say? It was like.

He said he had a girl on his lap while they talked about. The girl was like 21 years old and he. I think. I think he said she was Asian. I don't remember, but he said she was really beautiful. And she was sitting on his lap and he was bouncing her up and down while they were talking, so. Talking about finance. And her boobs are juggling. So she's. He goes. She wasn't underage or anything. She was a woman. But she was sitting on his lap and he was bouncing her around and her boobs are bouncing in his face. While they were like. While they're trying to concentrate on whatever the fuck.

They're talking about David lynch shit right there, man. That's some David lynch shit.

Yeah.

Just jiggling boobs in front of you. Like, wow, that is so fucked up.

And Eric said, like, right away, his vibe was that this guy was a construct.

Because Eric is all like, what do you mean, construct? What do you mean, construct?

Like a fucking age agent.

Oh, right.

Like, this guy is. He was like, this guy does not come off as a financial expert.

Right. At all. Right.

And Weinstein is an economist dude.

It's just.

He's a mathematician. Right. He worked for Peter Thiel. He was. Can you give me some of that coffee, brother?

Yeah, sure.

Peter Thiel was a math teacher. Math teacher.

My palantir.

And he became. Whatever he became. Well, he's. He's not a dumb dude at all. And if he thinks the guy was fake, like right away, that's his instinct. Like, initially, I think the problem is a lot of those guys wanted him to be real because what fun. What fun. You get to hang out with Jeffrey Epstein. Every thinks it was kids. And it probably. There probably was a lot of that because I don't know what the actual accusations have been because the wildest thing about the Ghislaine trial is like, she went to jail for trafficking to who knows who. The fact that you could just put her in jail and, like, who'd you traffic do? Like, none of that gets out the trial at all.

That's crazy.

And they do it right in front of your face.

That's fucking crazy, dude.

So you don't know what the. We hear it was underage girls. We know that it was. Some of them were underage for sure. And then we also know that some of them were not underage. They were. They were young women. And you, you know, they all have like. One of them wound up dying recently. One of them that's been a whistleblower died. Yeah, that's. Imagine you're a young girl and you're broke, and then you. You meet that guy and he invites you to go on a island somewhere or party somewhere, and you're hanging out with all these creeps. And then years later when all it starts coming out, what happened? You go public and you don't have any money. You don't have any money. And you got these fucking billionaire sharks who want to take you out.

Yeah.

Because you suck their dick.

Yeah.

30 years ago or whatever it was. Yeah, that's. Fuck, that's got to be terrifying. Lawmaker claimed the files included one Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars. One royal prince, one high profile individual in the music industry. One very prominent banker, one high profile government official, one high profile former politician, one owner of a car company in Italy, One rock star, one magician, at least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada. We know these people exist in the FBI files, the files that you control. Whoa.

Fuck yeah, man. See this, this right here, this.

This is scary because this is how communism gets started.

This.

This is when they. They Attacked, though, they realized, like, this is like, indefensible. And it gets to the point where people are like, maybe Mamdani's right, dude.

I mean, but that's one thing that's beautiful about humans, is that all of us agree, don't fuck kids.

Don't fuck kids.

That's a beautiful thing. If you want to find the thing that like, that connects all of us, it's. We really want to keep our kids safe. We love our children. And so if, as it turns out. And dude, you guys, if you want to have a dark few days, listen to Martyr Maids episode on the Epstein Files. It's not what you. He. Cause he goes. He has. He just points to other times the state has protected organized sex trafficking rings. Like, this isn't the first time this shit has happened. And so if that's what's crazy, that's the scary part. If all of us realize that we have been funding and voting for vampires. Sex vampires, essentially.

Do you remember the D.C. madam story?

Is that the one that Charlie Sheen.

No, no, no, no, no. That was la.

Okay.

That was the lady who went to jail.

I. Vaguely. I don't really remember it.

The D.C. madam story was this lady got busted and she had a book filled with high profile individuals from Washington that she and her ladies were servicing.

Right.

And then she committed suicide.

Well, you know, it's a hard job. She probably was depressed. You know, DC's winners are tough.

I bet those people are freaks. I bet they get down. Well, I bet they get down. I bet when they're done with all that lawmaking bullshit, at the end of the day, a lot of them are young. A lot of them are just in it for. They can't believe they're hanging out at the real deal. They're really a congressperson.

Yeah.

Really a staffer.

Listen, I don't mind. Like, I want my politicians to. I don't want them to be sexless androids up there.

Just want war.

Just don't. Kids.

Yeah.

You know, like, but we need to.

Know what actually happened, because maybe some of these guys just got prostitutes on that island. Maybe. You know, who knows what levels he was doing this at? There was probably a bunch of people that weren't depraved, but he wanted dirt on them. Right? And then there's people that are depraved. Like, you've got probably multiple layers to what he was doing.

Okay, but here's the. I mean, I think it's safe to say, and it's not even conspiratorial. The current system of how we elect, elect our leaders is based on money. You need donors 100%. So that is a kind of legal bribery. You give enough money to this politician or that politician and it's not like you own them, but they know you gave them all this money and they know they want to run again. They also know that you've got your own constituents and you have a lot of control network of bots that you could easily unleash on the Internet. And so I think it's a safe bet that more it's highly likely that it's donors who are on that list and who are compromised for real, who are exerting massive amounts of pressure on the federal government to not release those fucking files. And it could be that it's an existential threat. It could be that it would cause so much tumult that it could lead to an actual uprising. It could lead to like a bunch of us with torches standing around the castle ready to burn the vampire out. And I think that, that, that must be it because if I'm a career politician, dude, I don't want to vote against releasing something that is going.

We. If there are monsters among us, we need to know. Dude, in my neighborhood, we got a scary ass letter sex offender. If you're, if you're just a basic bitch sex offender and you move anywhere in Texas, mass mail goes out with your picture on it and your fucking address. You know what I mean? So why is it that there are these very same people who are working right now who are out there, nobody knows who are actual predatory pedophiles and our government is protecting them. It.

That's the other terrifying thing about the open border. In the name of compassion and, you know, not stopping people from coming into the country, one thing that they think was a lot of it was sex trafficking kids. Kids up. Yeah, that there, there's. There's truly evil people in the world, truly evil people in the world that want a child to do terrible things and they'll pay a lot of money to get one.

Dude, this is why I go to Catholic mass now. I need like, I.

It's like if you've never encountered real evil, you wouldn't believe that that would be possible. But then when you find out the numbers of kids that went missing, dude, that came across the border, the number of kids where they have no trace of them, they have no idea where they went. We talking thousands and thousands of kids. Now. I'm not saying they all got sex trafficked, but I bet Some of them did listen, man.

Like it's evil.

And if it's a person where there's no record of them, no one's gonna know they're missing. You just, you could probably. There's probably some fucking dark twisted motherfuckers that would give you a lot of bitcoin for something like that, dude.

I mean, this is the thing, man, that's so scary. You see those gazelle out there? Do you see the gazelle out there? There's lions around somehow. They're all calm and shit, just eating. They've had their kids dragged off by the lions. They go back to normal because they don't have long term memory like we do. So they don't get freaked out. But it's like what we're talking about here is the lions. We like, they're like, you have to acknowledge and it's uncomfortable to acknowledge it. And I don't think people acknowledge it enough. There is actual evil in the world. There is an omnipresent force in the world. And this is what I love in the Bible when they say it's powers and principalities. There is a. I don't know what you want to call it. An egregore, I guess you could say. A kind of connective embodiment of what it means to be off the path. What it means to be selfish, what it means to be self concerned, what it means to rationalize hurting other people. People and that, that thing has a, a personality. It's out there, dude. It's out there. And, and, and it gets it.

You know, I like, you know, whenever you find yourself talking about yourself, whenever you find yourself really down on yourself, or whenever you find yourself really like, you know, like thinking the things that would lead you to killing yourself, that is contact with what I think is a, for lack of a better word, a demonic entity. It beckons everyone towards self destruction. It beckons you towards self destruction. I don't know why, I don't know why it's into that shit.

I just, I think it's into. I think there's always got to be a battle. I think there always has to be this battle. In order for good to prevail and advance, it has to have some sort of conflict. It has to be involved in this, this push and pull, this yin and yang. They've known about it forever. There's this. You can't ever get to perfect peace. It's not gonna happen, you know. And the pursuit of it is crazy. It's like you can get to Individual peace, that's what's beautiful. What's beautiful is individual. I don't remember whose the quote was, but there's this one, one of those cool looking Indian guru dudes and he said enlightenment is possible in this lifetime.

Yeah. Well that's, that's an actual. That's Tantric Buddhism.

Yeah. That's a good thing to think of that you can get to a place where you. And I don't mean enlightened like better than everybody else, but you're free of all the bullshit. You're free of all this.

Yeah.

Self induced Hypnotic Gaze on TikTok and Instagram Reels and arguments on X and threads and blue sky. If you're really gone.

Yeah.

And you can just be a person and just exist and be in tune with life and with nature and with the people around you. And maybe get out of the space city. Maybe back out a little bit. Get to someplace that's nice and calm. Live with like minded people.

Yeah.

Slow down and recognize that a lot of what people are wound up about is bullshit. A lot of his nonsense, dude, and a lot of it is being forced on you because they want you to be wound up. And you don't have to do that. You don't have to push further and further away from people who disagree. Move closer and closer and talk to them. That's what everybody needs to do. We need to stop this antagonistic us versus them mentality. That's why, like I feel, I always feel politically homeless. Always. I really do. I feel like a complete political outcast on both sides.

Yeah. Same.

It's just I don't want to align with parties. I don't think that's smart.

Smart.

But I do think there's good choices and bad choices for how to run a government based on what I've seen. For the bad choices, you know, the results. Like Portland, where you're like, this is a bad choice. Like what you guys are doing is a bad choice. You know, and maybe when you get to a certain number of people and a certain number of mental health issues, you know, like, like if you try to take over LA right now, you know, imagine if you had to be the mayor of LA today. Like, good luck, bitch.

No thanks.

Good fucking luck. You have so many things on your dog, so many things you have to handle. And you've got a hundred thousand homeless people. Yeah, a hundred thousand.

Yeah.

Maybe that'd be all of California, I don't know. Either way, it's a fuckload. You got a. Let's call It a fuckload. You got a fuckload of insane homeless people on your street, and you got to figure out how to clean it up. And you've already spent 23 billion on it, and no one could figure out where that money went. Yeah, man, they spent 23 billion making the homeless problem worse. Imagine if that was any other job. Imagine if you brought your car to get it fixed. Yeah, you spent 500 bucks. It came out. It's still fucked up. Yeah, it's more fucked up than it was. Like, what did you do? Well, just give me some more money and I'll make it better. Like, hey, man, you said you're gonna fix this. Yeah, you said 500 bucks. I gave you the money. Yes, up now. Beyond repair, dude. That's what it is. It's beyond repair. It's like you would have to do some sort of radical Republican Rudy Giuliani type back when he cleaned up New York.

This is where I go to. I've probably yapped about it on this podcast before. My favorite Jack Kornfield quote. Tend to the part of the garden you can touch, because what happens is it grabs your mind. Now I'm thinking about city politics in Portland. It's a profound quote. And all of these things invite you to tend either to the entirety of the garden or a part of the garden that you will never go to.

And it also requires you to have an opinion publicly on a lot of things. If you get involved in a community of people who have opinions publicly on things, you are required to chime in. Duncan.

Absolutely.

Duncan. You're awful silent on.

What do you need me to say?

The human rights violations in where? Yemen.

Yeah, of course those.

Do you know what's happening in Myanmar? There's been a coup, probably back by the CIA.

Well, fuck them. Yeah, exactly. And so you get into groupthink. You get locked into this thing. And because humans, we do like to move together, we like to dance together, we like to party together. But we love to get into groups. We're designed to.

We love it.

We love it.

Love to be a part of a tribe.

And then what happens is the. Your human compassion gets hijacked. That's where it gets fucked up. It gets hijacked. And it's like, most people legitimately want to help, and then it's like, okay, I'm going to tell you how you can help. And some charismatic person starts leading you down a path where you really legitimately wanted to help. Fuck, yeah, I want diversity. You better believe I do. And equity. I want everyone to have a fair shot and inclusivity. Yeah, I was bullied when I was in God. When they were picking sports team. It wasn't. Wasn't fun for old D. Trussell, let me tell you that. Nobody wanted to trust on their team because I can't catch shit. So, yeah, I would like to fix that. The next thing you know, it's the same model that happens with all kinds of cults. The next thing you know, you end up having to start subscribing to shit maybe you don't agree with. And that happens to. Happens on the right too. There's another set of like, yeah, big. I don't want big government. Like, no. I mean it just seems like it's like bureaucracy. We could.

Next thing you know, the Ten Commandments are in schools and you're like, slow down, dude. Why are they in public schools?

My, my. I just had right. This guy Raghu Marcus on. And he was talking about someone on his podcast told him why don't. Why is it the Ten Commandments and not the Sermon on the Mount? Like, like, you know what I mean? If we're going to put something there, like, I think it's. Danny Goldman said that if we're going to put something there, why not put. Blessed are the meek, blessed are the peacemakers. You know, why are we put. Like if we're good, if we're doing Bible shit, let's do Sermon on the Mount.

I think they want rules. This is God's rules. Look, God's rules. It's on the wall. It's in a piece of vinyl that was printed here. It is laminated.

It definitely is. Like, if you like. Only because if we're going to sort of look at Christianity as the sort of like the flower growing from that entire lineage, it does seem like there's just. The idea was that Jesus comes around as a kind of like, evolution of these principles. Like, also as a kind of like God is like recognizing that the whole flood thing wasn't maybe the best move. And there's. And it was also a kind of like, it weighs out a really revolutionary, I think a really revolutionary way to live in the world, which is meeting violence with nonviolence. That's crazy. That's crazy. But it does disrupt the whole cycle. The cycle depends on.

And it's a totally unique voice. Muhammad was a warlord, right? Jesus was a man of ultimate peace in a time of ultimate chaos. And imagine living 2,000 fucking years ago. No, like. And some dude comes along, love your brother as you would love yourself. Like, what are you talking about? Yeah, we're at war here.

Shut the up.

Shooting arrows at each other.

And you talking or saying you don't need a priest class.

And then, you know, the Romans are in charge and everyone knows how brutal they were. And this is all going on while occupied city.

Yes, it's occupied city. It's occupied by a great empire. People are pissed off. They want a revolution. They want to fight back against the Romans. Here's this very charismatic person who can reach into a tomb and pull out dead people, is curing people's blindness by spitting in his hand, rubbing mud in his hands and putting it on their eyes. Curing lepers. And you're like, come on, baby. All you gotta do is tell us to overthrow these Romans. If you can raise the dead, I bet you can throw fireballs. You know what I mean? And then the answer is, like, to all of that is like, no, no, we're not doing that shit. And then what happens? You get murdered and, yeah, you get.

Murdered in front of everybody.

It's a beautiful, beautiful thing. And it really. To me, it's like, God, this is just the medicine for the times, man. It's just the medicine for the times because Holy. Like the last.

This is our default mode, Duncan.

You mean the fangs and that.

And I think the. There's two things that really accentuated it. The algorithm, for sure, but also the lockdowns. I think the lockdowns shifted a lot of people. I think. I genuinely think they broke a lot of people psychologically, and it made people just a little less kind. You know, they got real used to being hostile. And that was the other tribal thing, like the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. And unfortunately, most people were required to get vaccinated because they have jobs and they have to travel or whatever it is. You know, a lot of people reluctantly, but, you know, it made. Made us, like, more tense and more shitty. Yeah, it's like, this is not 2016. 2016 was a fun time. It was silly. Like you. It was. It was different. You know, it wasn't. It wasn't so overwhelmed by constant strife. You know, the woke stuff had not reached its apex of ridiculousness. It was. We were just, you know, we were silly, but we were, you know, people.

Were getting a little weird.

It wasn't terrible. And then when 2020 came around, man, and they started having those George Floyd riots and they were lighting cop cars up in la, I was like, okay.

Yeah, man, this is.

This is where we're going. We're going in this direction. This is. This is really not good.

Not good.

Really not good. Not good.

Not good.

And the division is just like, never been wider. The division between the right and the left in this country, the division, a lot of ways between black people and white people, and the narratives that you get in the news are just feeding into that over and over and over again.

Yeah, yeah, man, I know.

And the way people react to things in the news, like the way that lady who got stabbed in Charlotte on the. On the train. You know that lady.

Oh, yeah, of course.

Ukrainian lady. She's a refugee from Ukraine. She escapes the war and just gets randomly stabbed by some guy who had gotten out multiple times and he had been treated in a rehab center. That one of the. Find the story behind that, because I want to know. Like, there's some accusations that. I don't know if they're necessarily true. I don't want to say it, but the whole thing is this guy had been doing horrible shit and getting out of jail over and over and over again, and then he stabbed this lady on the train.

And he's one of, like, countless examples of that happening. That keeps happening. People who you easily could have rehabilitated or at least kept out of the public zone keep getting released and doing these fucking things.

And it's almost like, again, if you wanted to destroy society, you would make people terrified, you would cause massive amounts of crime, and then you would offer a military solution to stabilize it all the two.

I just had Bishop Robert Barron on my podcast. The Catholic bishop on. Oh, dude, I had a bishop on, and he's awesome. And let me tell you, after I had the bishop on, in my whole career of podcasting, people have never come at me. I've had Satanists on. I've had all kinds of. Of just Riley Reed, you know, I've had all kinds of people on my podcast. The only time I really started getting some shit was because I had a bishop on who said. Everything he said was very sweet and like, oh. And I asked him right away, I was like, why are Christians the most persecuted people on the planet right now? Like, Christians get fucked up. And he talked about it a little bit, and then. Then right after that, that Catholic school, that Catholic At Mass. At Mass, the. The. That the trans shooter came, just shot people while they're praying. And then Charlie Kirk gets shot. And then. Not to mention all over the world, like, Christians getting slaughtered and. And. But his answer to it was so measured and like, whoa, dude. Like, I'm more perturbed And I've been to mass like, maybe five times.

But what he said. Satan. He said Satan is known as the accuser. And the scatterer. The scatterer. And so if you want to identify what. If you look at what's happening and from those using those terms, is it dividing? Is it scattering? If so, it's satanic in the sense that it's turning neighbor upon neighbor, brother upon brother, son upon father, and it's scattering all of us. You know, it's like what could be a cohesive human family is being just scattered to the fucking winds.

Do you know about that? What country is it, Jamie, where there's a group of Christians are being slaughtered? There's a country where thousands of Christians have been killed.

Oh, it's so messed up.

Yeah. They're literally going door to door and killing Christians.

Yep. I mean, I think that. Is. That. Isn't that happening in Syria a little bit, too?

I don't know what country this is, but this is, like, recent news.

Then a Catholic church get bombed in Palestine, too. I could be wrong about that.

Slow down.

I just really.

That happened, too.

Can you. I'm sorry. Before. Before.

Let's find out that. Find out that one first. Before.

I could be wrong about the Palestine thing. I don't know.

No, no, no, no, no. This is. This is a recent thing that they were talking about 50,000. But where. But is this one country? Oh, Nigeria. That's what it is, right? Okay, see, can you scroll down? Is it 50,000 in Nigeria? This is to the government. Government denies the claim. Oh, my God.

I deny the claim, too. If I was in the Nigerian government.

It wasn't popping up when I was. But is it just Ted Cruz saying this? Like, did he pull this number out of his ass? What I had heard, I don't know. I really don't know. But what I had heard was it was 7,000 or somewhere around then, but maybe that was the beginning of it.

Bill Maher says it's happening.

Well, there you go. Since 2009, over 50,000 Christians in Nigeria have been massacred. 18,000 churches and 2,000 Christian schools have been destroyed. Holy fuck, man. Dude, that's crazy.

Yeah, man, that's. That's like. I mean, people are, like, going to Catholic churches and shooting people, praying, like, what the fuck?

Listen to what they say. Nigeria deserves solidaria solidarity in its fight against terror, not careless rhetoric that fuels misunderstanding. This is the Nigerian president saying. So the truth remains simple. Nigeria is not witnessing a Christian genocide. It is confronting terrorism that targets Everyone.

Christian terrorists, Nigerian terrorists.

But is it a similar amount happening to Muslim churches?

I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know either. You can Google, like, put it into perplexity. Ask how many Islamic mosques have been destroyed in Nigeria since 2009? Good. That's a good question.

That's a good question.

Solid question.

That's a good question.

How many Islamic mosques have been destroyed in Nigeria since 2009?

This is cool.

It's dope. Oh, look, you made up a number, bro. Can you fix it? Okay, let's see.

Yeah. Significant destruction of mosque. Good question. Yeah.

Okay. There's been significant destruction of mosques in Nigeria, particularly due to Boko Haram insurgency and other violent conflicts. Boko Haram actively. Actively, Primarily active. Excuse me, primarily in northeastern Nigeria has deliberately targeted both mosques and churches during attacks, killing worshippers and destroying places of worship.

17,000 churches.

Yeah, but what does it say about how many mosques?

It's the worst competition of all time.

It says religious buildings destroyed. Hundreds of religious buildings, including mosques. Specific numbers indicate while 17,000 churches were destroyed since 2009, the destruction of mosques was also significant, with dozens of mosque attacks reported in various incidents by Boko Haram and related groups. That's a big difference, though. Churches destroyed, dozens of mosques attacked. But 17,000 churches destroyed.

17,000 churches destroyed.

So it seems like they're all experiencing terrorism. That is true, but it is much more pointed in the direction of the Christians, dude.

I mean, this has to give you pause because, like, you know, any secularist out there, any anti Christian person out there, and there's a surprising amount, a surprising amount horrified that I talked to this bishop.

Do you think of it as in the worst aspects of Christianity that you see? Right. Just like you think of antifa as the worst aspects of being a progressive or a liberal. When you look at what Christianity is in America, it's a lot of things that are awesome, but it's also televangelists. It's these motherfuckers on TV talking to poor dumb people and conning them into sending $20 so that their bills are going to be paid.

True.

They tell them that. They tell them, if you give me. If you give me whatever you can give me, God has promised a tenfold return. A tenfold return. You give me $200, you will get thousands.

Thousands.

And they just start going off. They start going off, give me 10,000.

I will bring you 100,000. But the problem. Listen, I get it.

People are dumb and they fall for it. And then they think that this fucking Guy who has this giant mega church. These people that have. They got stadiums filled with their worshipers. They're flying around in private jets, driving in Rolls Royces. They think of that as Christianity, too. And then they think of the nutty people that believe in demons.

Yeah.

You know, the Satan worshiping kind. And yeah, they think of all kinds of weird stuff when it comes to Christianity.

Dude, I get it. But that there's a scientific approach here that you could take, which is go to. I can't believe I'm about to say this. Go to a Catholic mass. And the last. What's interesting is all the masses are the same around the planet. The last one I went to, you know what they were saying? Help people, help the poor. You know what I mean? They weren't. There's. Nobody's dancing around, no jet skis. There's no. You know what I mean? No guy in a glittery fucking vest. It was. It was really just talking about how important it is to help poor people. That's it. Some, like, some choir singing, like none of that was happening. And really, when you think about the fact that how many Catholic churches there are that day on planet Earth, all the people representing all levels of economic status were being told you could do more to help poor people than you're doing right now all over the planet.

Right. But it's also connected to a lot of horrible stuff that was done to kids. And that's the problem with Catholic Church, period.

Dude, I talked.

It's not. It's not all of them, but it's. There's a number of them fucked up. Have you ever seen that documentary? I think it's called Hear no Evil.

No, I haven't.

I think that's what it's called. But it's essentially following one of these people.

Dude, it's horrible.

It's hard. So dark.

It's horrible.

It's so dark. And it was, you know, like. That was one of the criticisms, rightful criticisms, about Ratzinger. He was involved in moving people around.

Messed up. Yeah.

I mean, he was wanted for crimes against humanity by some countries.

But then you talk to Catholics about it, which I have, of course, and their response is never, like, defending it. They're all like, fuck that. Like, there's the other ideas that, like, the Catholics all agree on, like this or that, of course fucking don't. And they hate it.

Don't you think that it's kind of crazy to. If someone wants to be a priest, you can't have a life. You can't have A wife. You can't have a family. You can't. You have to be celibate. I think that alone, that rule that they institute alone made it kooky. It made it really crazy because, like, you're only inviting people to be a priest that are willing to go through that. Whereas you meet preachers and, you know, you go to a good church and there's a guy who's a preacher and he's a really charismatic person. He really believes in the Lord and he's really entertaining. Got a wife and a family, tells stories about his family. Like, that's a lot more normal and engaging and it makes more sense.

Totally.

The. This. This whole celibacy thing is crazy. And it didn't. It was a rule that somebody instituted because the priests were banging all the ladies. They were fucking rock stars. They don't look at it as a rule. It's because they call it a discipline. That's how they officially have to be disciplined.

Well, I mean, that discipline's nuts because.

For sure that discipline's being taken out on some people that didn't want it. And that's part of the problem. But then there's also messed up secret babies that nuns have.

One of the popes. One of the popes. Do you know how I know it's one of the popes that had secret babies? Because I talked to a priest about it and he was telling.

How many did he have?

I don't know. I was like, I had a few drinks. I can't remember.

But it's nuts. It's nuts to require. And it's gonna. It's gonna, like, it's gonna attract sexual deviance 100%.

You gotta be careful out there, man. And it's like anytime there's hierarchy, anytime there's bureaucracy, anytime there's organization, especially anytime there's mysticism, it's going to be infiltrated. That's an inevitability and my hope.

Imagine if they just opened it up where they said, listen, we're gonna drop that. You guys can have wives now, and those poor dorks gonna start dating at 40.

That's a good movie.

Yeah, it would be a good movie if they changed it. And like, priest is like, always wanted to find a wife and have a family before it's too late.

Oh, my God. No idea. I. I do agree with you, though.

Never even seen a. Of ton it.

Do you need.

How about that? How about he's a real priest. Like, really, really, really got into it when he was young, decided when he was A boy. I'm going to keep my thoughts pure Wild all for Jesus. Never seen a boob.

Oh, dude.

Never. Never touched an erect nipple.

Never felt it. Never.

Never kissed a lady. She wants to kiss you back.

Lapped up, squirt.

Po. Poor boy.

Dude.

It's praying to Jesus, and then all of a sudden, at 40, someone comes along like Steve Carell in that movie 40 Year Old Virgin.

Oh, dude, I don't know, man. Like, I don't. That part of it to me is always seemed like, you know, how can you. This is the other thing, man. With the declining birth rates and people not being able to have kids or not wanting to have kids because it's too fucking expensive. It's like, it's worrisome to me because ever since I had kids, kids, you, like, have a whole different connection to the world than when you don't have kids. And it humanizes you. It grounds you in the earth. All your chips are on the fucking table, man. And it's intense. And I do think, like, as a spiritual guide to people, it does make me scratch my chin. It's like you have never been around a third trimester pregnant person who just found out there might be mice in the house. You don't know what that's like. You want to be around that. That's Kali, man. You don't want to be around that. And all the other things that go around, along with being married and having kids and all the heights and lows and all the shit you learn about yourself, I do feel like you're.

By not letting them have family, you are kind of keeping them out of this part of the human experience that is really good for people. You need that. You need to know what that's like. It's important.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. It helps you grow as a human. It changes your perspective on things. One of the things that people always say, I don't want to have kids. I think bringing a child into this world today is a terrible idea. I'm like, people had people before they figured out doors. That's why we're here. We're here. People had babies on dirt floors in caves, and that's why we're here. Right? Yeah. Why would you want to have a child today with all the books and medicine and shit, like, why would you want to do that? Why would you? With all the education and all the interesting people that are alive. Do you like people? I love people. Yeah. I could never be a hermit. I love people.

Me too.

I love hanging out like I love having fun. I love meeting people that are fun. I love it. The only way that happens is if people make people.

Yeah.

You have to make cool people. Make cool people that other people want to hang out with.

Yeah.

And you know, that sounds overly simplified because it is. Yeah. For sure. There's some circumstances where that's not an option and it's not possible. And you're living in a fucking terrible state. Terrible state of life. Right. You could be in the worst, most abusive environments. And that's the real problem in this world is that we allow those places to exist while we think about things that are just bananas. Think about like wealth extraction and pulling stuff out of the ocean and figuring out how to do this and that and spending all this money on this and that and defense and this and that. And then completely ignoring the people on your timeline that are in life or death struggle through no fault of their own. They were just born into the wrong family in the wrong neighborhood in the wrong timeline. And they're. And the only difference between you and them is you got lucky and you were born in a good timeline.

Yep.

And your life, you got lucky. You live with nice people. Yeah.

Yeah.

But they got. And if we allow that to continue to happen, you're always going to have the same kind of problems over and over and over again. There's gotta be a way to at least tilt that in a positive direction and build on it and actually have businesses that are financially incentivized for success.

Yeah.

Like they make more money if people get jobs. They make more money if people get good grades. They make more money if they could figure out a way to try transform crime ridden, gang ridden neighborhoods.

Yeah.

Into places where people are thriving and happy.

There's gotta be a way, gotta be a way. There's gotta be a way people exit.

Like that place that I was telling you about in Oakland, that video where they're driving through the shanty towns and then immediately they get to this totally clean environment that's, you know, run by different politicians that this, it's. There's gotta be a way to do that. There's gotta be a way to engineer our society in a more positive direction. There's gotta be.

Dude, the first step is you've got to turn your back on the state. You cannot believe the state is gonna do this because I think people are waiting for a top down solution. They're waiting for man, what's his name? The New York dude. Or they're waiting for someone to like, like sign the right series of documents and everything's fine. And meanwhile they're like in their fucking high rise with crusted jizz on their belly, posting shit on Reddit. It's like, really? This is gonna be all hands on deck. It's like, maybe the federal government is gonna figure out the perfect way to educate and house and clothe and all this stuff and that'll be great, but in the meantime, every single one of us, every single one of us could do something. Not a big deal, not a big thing, but something. And instead of it, like, it's like when they say the, the government shut down the national parks. There's trash. I saw a picture trash around a dumpster. And it's like any one of us could drive a truck up to that fucking dumpster and clean up that trash. Why are we waiting for the federal government to do this shit?

That's the problem is the federal government's got us all hypnotized into thinking we need them to do these things. And I would, by the way, that'd be great. I think people living next to an open air drug marketmental asylum would be quite pleased if the taxes that they were paying went towards getting these people medical care somewhere far away from their apartment. Yeah, not gonna happen. You can count on it. So in the meantime, what do we do? And you know, that's. I was like watching doom scrolling looking at all the, like the Oakland videos and stuff. This dude's interviewing people out there. Soup kitchens, giving out food and boy, that'll make you feel like a piece of shit. This guy's just helping. This is nobody. This is like, you'll never. This guy's not filming themselves taking selfies, telling the stupid story at the time he gave a sandwich to someone with his kid. Like I did in the beginning. This is just people out there, they interview this guy. Why are you doing this? And he's like, I mean, it just seems like that's what you're supposed to do. It's so basic and simple and that, that exists.

That exists and that doesn't get highlighted. You don't get that in your algorithm.

No, you don't get it in your algorithm.

You got more of that in your algorithm. You'd realize, like, oh, there's good people.

Out there still, and I'm one of them. And you can help. Like, and you don't have to film it, you don't have to do it for any reason. And dude, the moment we don't even know what would happen if under the yolk of whatever the Regime happens to be. Instead of, instead of flapping our fucking like fireworks in front of ice, you know, if like all of us were just going out there and like. I don't know. I don't know. I can bear. I, I suck at all most things, dudes, but it's like, it's not that hard to like give water to people out there. And, and yeah, some of them are fucking terrifying. They seem like they're possessed by demons. I'm surprised you don't believe in demons. But, but, but you know what? It's not that I don't you believe in demons.

I'm agnostic on the possibility of demons. I definitely believe in good and evil. That's though I believe there's. I believe evil thoughts can get into people's minds and then if you follow that down a long life, you can get to a pretty evil place. Yeah, that's how you get to a dictator.

Yeah.

You know, I think that's real and I think especially if you're involved in evil acts. So say, imagine you start off in some sort of military and you, you're in a foreign country and you're killing a bunch of people and then you take over a town and then, you know, things escalate and you continue your career doing horrible things for decade after decade, and then you start to get into power and then you get into political power and then you start running the country and then you overthrow the government and then you become a dictator and then you do horrible shit, horrible shit. You're Saddam Hussein, right? Your sons are feeding women to dogs in the basement. Yeah, the real horrible, horrible, horrible. Yeah, that is, that is evil. Like I had Jack Carr, the author, on the podcast yesterday.

What did he write?

He wrote of the Terminalist, that Amazon series. It's. He's, he's a great. It's the one that Chris Pratt plays in that Amazon series.

Oh, okay.

It's really good. But the books are amazing. He's. And he's a super cool guy guy. Anyway, he said, you know, he went to those palaces, cuz he was a seal and he was in the war and he went to those palace and says, you can feel the evil. He said, you feel it. He said, especially the kids, the sons. Oh, Uday and Kus, they were monsters. Serial killer monsters.

Jesus Christ.

Who were the sons of the dictator? They would find women while they were getting married. They would take the woman, they'd rape the woman and then feed them to their dog. They had these dogs that they would feed people to. Fuck, yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. I think that. That scene in Game of Thrones, like, do you remember that scene in Game of Thrones where he would do that? There was one of the evil dudes. Yeah, cut that guy's dick. He'd feed people to his dogs. That's a real thing, man. They. He really did that. Yeah. God, that's daddy. 100% evil now. Is that demons inside of him? I don't know. I tend to think. I think. I tend to think evil is in all of us. It's just. Does it get cultivated? And what cultivates it? What makes it. You know, over time, over a long history of seeing and doing horrible things, I think you can get to a place of unbelievable evil. I mean, think about Genghis Khan. Think about what that guy did while he was alive, where he killed 10% of the population of Earth, right? I mean, if that's not evil, like, what is.

Like what is. What is it? I mean, they would. They would light people on fire and use them as catapults to light houses on fire. So they'd put them in catapults and launched corpses, flaming corpses, and they would land on these thatched roofs and start the house. Houses on fire.

Right, Right. Wow.

They would take people and they would kidnap them, right? So they would sack a town and they'd take all the people and everybody that gave in and surrendered, they would put them at the front of the line, and then they would start attacking the city, and all the people would just get crushed by the enemy. So by the time they just pushed them forward, so they would get thousands of people in front of them and push them into a city, and those people were just getting hacked upon because there's. There's people that are trying to stop the siege, and those are the people that are getting killed. And so they're like human shields, and then they're trampling over their dead bodies to destroy the entire city.

Right.

If that's not evil. If that's not evil, like, what's evil like to them? That was their destiny, and that happens. Genghis Khan, one of his quotes was crazy. It was. You must have. I'm paraphrasing it. We could find it. I'm sure you must have done something horribly wrong for God to send me.

How is that letter to the Pope? Isn't that the letter he wrote to the Pope?

I don't know. I don't know who it wrote it to.

One of them wrote a real takedown.

See if you can find that but it's from like the. Do you know that what they know about the Mongols came from like one diary that they found like the 1800s. Like there was so little known about Genghis Khan. They don't know where he's buried.

They still don't know.

They have no idea. They killed the people that took him there so that they couldn't tell. And then more people came and killed the people that killed the people.

Right?

So that they couldn't tell.

Right. I think. Didn't they kill themselves after killing the people too? Like it was just like.

Yeah, something nutty like that.

Just.

It's like fucking wild.

Fucking wild.

Yeah. What is that quote that he had about God sending me? It's when you think about who that motherfucker was. I mean, he's the of all. I mean, right? The greatest warlord of all time. He is the. The goat.

Yeah, man.

To the point where people don't even consider him evil, right? You don't. People don't think of Genghis Khan as evil. You think of his Hitler as evil, right? But Genghis Khan's just this conqueror guy, right? But meanwhile, he killed so many million people.

So many people.

He changed the carbon footprint of Earth. When they do, like when they look at the carbon footprint of earth during his time, cities regreened. There's a noticeable amount because cities were destroyed and the nature just absorbed them and trees grew in their place. I am the punishment of God. If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.

Jesus.

I am the punishment of God. Imagine if that's how you justify just wholesale slaughter of everybody in a city and stacking the bones up. Stacking the bones up so high that the Shah of Charisma sent an envoy to go and talk to whoever was running Jin China. And along the way they thought they saw a snow capped mountain. And as they got closer, they realized it was a stack of bones.

God damn it.

It was a million people. They killed a million people and stacked them in the middle of the city.

God, that must have taken forever.

Forever.

Whose job is that, bro?

They killed everyone on the road. They had to abandon their wagons because the wagons were stuck in the muck of decaying people. They couldn't pull the wagons anymore because all the roads had deteriorated into muck.

Yeah, you know what? When you look back at like that, we're doing pretty good right now.

We're doing pretty good.

We're doing pretty good.

That, that is.

That is horrifying, dude.

You. That is, if that's not evil, what's evil?

Well, that is evil.

That's evil.

That is evil. And that. What's. You know, what's interesting is people, I think, like, around the world, regardless of the culture that you're raised in, we all have a similar sense of evil versus good. Good. That's where it gets curious. It's like people. It seems like people have a sense of, like, it isn't good, for example, to like, a dog corpse. I bet you could go all around.

The planet, most people say, that's bad.

Most people are gonna.

Don't do that.

Don't. Don't. Dog corpses. Like, if you see a dead dog, don't. Its ass.

And if you see that a guy's doing that, you go, that guy's a problem.

That guy's a problem.

You don't have to take that guy out.

Don't hire him.

Yeah.

And so there seems to be built into us a sense of, like, harmony and how to do it and what it looks like. And then there's examples like you just described. It's like, that's one of the things we can also do.

Yeah.

That would have been fun to be Genghis Khan, though, right?

Could you imagine being in that posse and knowing what you're gonna do? And also just the fucking. The fact that some insane percentage of people worldwide have his DNA. DNA, because he had that many kids.

Just when he's not killing, he's just.

That's all he lived for. He just lived to. And to kill.

How did he have time to plan war?

I mean, he was a brilliant strategist. That's what the crazy thing is. Like, they. They did a lot of sneaky. Like, they led people. They had, like, small packs that would lead people into the mountains, and then they would have a giant pack of people waiting for them. They just come down off the hills and engulf them. They did brilliant shit, man. They waited people out. They drank the blood of their horses. They ate their horses. They ate each other. Apparently there was some cannibalism that was reported.

Is there a movie? Like, why haven't they made, like a Game of Thrones style series?

There was one pretty decent movie. But in order for the movie to be realistic, it would have to be so hardcore, Right? And it would be really problematic because it involves a lot of rituals. Rape. There's a lot of rape and a lot of horrible, horrible murders. And one of the. One of the things they did was they had some rule where, like, with kings and emperors they weren't allowed to, like, chop them up. So they would kill them in different ways. Instead of, like, attacking them with swords or whatever, they would roll them in carpets. They would do that. Or sometimes they would just stack their bodies and then build, like, a floor above them and eat on top of them until they crushed them to death. So they would build a platform over their bodies, just crush them with the weight of these timbers. These people would be moaning while they were eating.

Do you think that's real?

Yes. Yeah. That's documented.

Wow, man.

Yeah. The people that survived, that's one of the things he would also do. Let some people survive to tell the stories.

Cheese.

Just run. Tell everyone.

And of course, like, if you're at that dinner, you're not gonna, like, complain about it, like.

Nope.

Not gonna say shit.

You probably get off on it by now. You've probably been doing it for a decade. You've probably been killing people everywhere you go. They lived in felt tents and they were nomads, so they had no real home. And they went wherever the fuck they went. And everywhere they went, they killed everybody.

Fuck. That is incredible.

It's a crazy story. And the story of Genghis Khan. His name was Temujin. He started off as a young boy, and he had a brother that was a cocksucker. And his brother was, like, stealing his fish and beating his ass. And one day he killed his brother, and his mother freaked out and said, you motherfucker. You devil. You know? He started off young, was the point. Started off young?

Yeah. Wasn't his family really poor?

Yeah, yeah. The whole story, it's crazy. His mother had a run because his father was killed and his mother had a run. They barely survived. They were left out there to die.

But don't people. He's sort of beloved.

Oh, yeah. That's what's crazy. There's statues of him in Mongolia. Yeah, yeah, but listen, he. Historically, he was doing what everybody else was doing. He was just doing it better. They were all doing that when the Shah of Charisma sent the envoy.

Charisma? I thought I misheard.

Charisma was a country, okay? It was the Khwarizmian Shah. It doesn't exist anymore. What is it now? Is it like Syria or something? You know, a lot of those countries, they changed names. What is. What was Charisma with a Q? Quarism. Quarism. Am I saying it wrong? I don't think it exists anymore. I'm sorry if it does. Might be one of them weird ones.

Shah of Charisma.

But anyway, this dude was seeing like whether or not they could sack Jesus. You know, they were going to visit to see like. Like, let's take a look and see what their defenses are like. And we'll bring some carpets and some nice stuff and give them a little gift and then come back and them up. Like that was a standard move, right. And when they were on their way, they're like, the Mongols already got there and it was already too late.

Wow.

Yeah.

Holy man.

If they had ever gotten to Europe, it would have been over.

I thought they did get to Europe.

Nobody. If they went into Italy, like, if they went into, to like Rome and the Vatican, it would have been over.

Didn't he conquer more landmass than any other human? Like, didn't at some point.

I think it's something like that. Present day Central Asia, Afghanistan and Iran from 01077 to 1231. Interesting. So that was the Khwarizmian Empire.

Wow.

So from 1077 to 1231, first is vassals of the. How do you say that word? Seljuk Empire and the Quara Kitai Western Lao dynasty from circa 1190. As independent rulers up until the Mongolian conquest in 1219-1221. Holy Mongol. The Mongolians took him over. Dude. Took over everything. Dude. This is why everything.

This is why I think people, people really get weirdly disturbed by Graham Hancock because it's like, you don't want to think about it. You don't want to think about the fact that there are all these empires. Forget the Charismians, there's all these empires. No one knows what the fuck they were doing or who they were. Nothing. And they were just like us. They were talking, having conversations, sipping tea. Sipping tea.

Having fun with their boys. Boys.

Never thinking like, you know, at some point people are going to be staring at the ruins of our temples, scratching their chins, wondering what this means. Dude, that to me is another unifying thought. Planetary unification is like, man, you guys, nobody to this day knows who built those fucking pyramids, right? And they, they. If you are like living around the pyramids, I doubt the thought will ever cross your mind. At some point. Mr. Beast. Mr. Beast is gonna be filming episode of his YouTube show. You know what I mean? That never occurred to you?

No. I almost went with him.

Mr. Beast.

Yeah, I almost went during that trip because I couldn't, I couldn't swing it. I didn't have the time.

Damn, dude, that's. Oh, that sucks. You should.

But also, I didn't want to do it that way. If I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it for quite a few days and I'm gonna do it with like an expert, like a Ben, you know, from Uncharted X. Like one of those dudes. Or Graham, if Graham has the time. I know he's very busy, but he goes there all the time.

Right.

I would do that. But what do you think about those structures underneath?

I pray that they're real.

Did you see Van Kirkwick's video? The video about the labyrinth?

Can we. I just. No, I just read that.

I had him on the podcast. There's labyrinths that they've discovered that are underneath, that are historic. Herodotus talked about them. He said they're greater than the pyramids. The structure underneath some of the pyramids, greater than the pyramids. And through this ground penetrating radar, they've found a 40 meter long metallic tic tac shaped object that is in this great hall that's under the ground. So all this stuff exists, but they, they made a dam on the Nile river in the 1960s to help agriculture and it changed the water table and it flooded all these underground labyrinths. So they would have. It's like a massive undertaking to try to excavate and figure out what's in there.

But couldn't you put a drone like.

No, no, no. It's all. You have to actually go through the water and then below that to where the labyrinths are.

Dig through the mud.

They might actually be able to channel underneath it, they think, and go below the water table and then go to it. Because it appears like the water is not in the labyrinth itself. Labyrinth, labyrinth. Sorry. Thank you. But whatever it is, there's a 40 meter long metallic object of unknown origin that's the shape of a tic tac that's in there.

This is real.

This is real.

Like because I.

40 meters, dude. This guy is so legit. Ben is. The UnchartedX is a fantastic YouTube channel.

What the fuck?

This is all like real science is the same kind of science that they're using to figure out what the fuck is under the Great Pyramid. All those those weird.

I thought that was debunked. No, I was disappointed by that.

No, it's not debunked. Not at all. No. The images have been verified multiple times. They don't know what it is. But there's some structure underneath the pyramid. Those columns are real. There really are columns underneath the pyramids and it really does go down deep into the earth. They just don't know what it is. But the same technology, they've observed all of the different, like where they know where there's special chambers that are sealed off. They know where those things are, but they saw it. With the radio tomography, they also were able to use it to, to identify temples that were 25 and 50ft underground. So it's, it's, it's accurate.

Give me a break, man. How is that?

I know.

I, I, because, like, I was so excited when that came out. I'm like, I knew it. I've seen it on ketamine. And then.

Did you. What did you see?

It's hard to explain. It's like structures. I mean, let me reiterate, this was in the K hole, but it was like vast cavernous spaces with structures in it. And you know, the weird thing about ketamine is it's kind of like you're being given a tour and then you sort of. It's like a viewfinder.

You remote viewed.

Maybe. I remote viewed. It was very exciting to see.

And it was under the pyramids.

It was under the pyramids. But I must say, the next thing I saw was like a city being powered by meat. So. So it's not exactly like my remote viewing.

Maybe that's what you're gonna do with the homeless problem.

Oh, and Joe Rogan solves the homeless problem.

Maybe that's what the alien agenda is. Well, I mean, they power the city looks. We'll take care of your problems.

Dude, this is real. I am not comfortable with this. Comet Atlas. I know. And like, you know, we've got Avi.

Loeb coming on to talk about.

He's amazing. I had him on my podcast a long time ago. He put up with my ass.

A lot of people in the beginning were saying that it's bullshit. It's a comet. Why is he saying this? He's risking his reputation. But then as time's going on, they're going, this is weird. This thing's really weird.

Well, it's the. What? Okay, first of all, it's important to note that one thing that titillates my dumb ass is it just so happens the government shutdown coincides with when we could use the satellites on Mars to get pictures of that fucking thing. So we're not getting pictures. They did release a picture of it yesterday.

The government shutdown is stopping us from getting pictures of this thing?

Yes. Yes.

That's insane.

That's insane.

Now that's so insane they should open that up.

I mean, it seems like they just. That's really weird. There are. Did you see the images that just came in though? The Europeans got an image of it.

It's weird looking.

It's weird looking. But I don't know what a comet looks like.

So I don't know what a comet looks like and I don't know why it's weirder than other comments.

But it does seem like it's going. It's like rolling in a weird way. But it's the. It's the gas, right? It's like it's what it's releasing is the weird part.

Well, the weird part is coming from the same part of the universe where the wow signal came from.

Yeah, that's weird.

That's weird.

That's weird.

That's weird. Cuz that wow signal, what it was like 70 seconds long. Some very strange coded signal. It was 70 seconds long.

You know what else is weird is Jeremy Corbell said a bunch of people are gonna start saying there's a mothership coming to Earth and don't believe him. Remember he was saying that?

Yeah. What's that all about? Why did he know that?

I don't know.

You got to tell people why you know something like that. You can't just say that.

Well, I. You know what I mean?

Like how do you know? How do you know that it's not really a mothership? How do you know they're gonna say it's a mothership?

Well, Corbell, he's got to do this tightrope walk because somehow he does have inside contacts. But if he says too much, he puts his whole life in danger.

It's such a spy TV show, dude. So much of it seems like a spy TV show. So much of it seems like a well written psyop.

It's so weird. Yeah, it's so weird.

I think it's a slow trickle of disclosure. It's a slow recognition that we're not alone. That they've calculated that the only way to do this and not disrupt society entirely. You know, Hal put off. Do you know he is.

Yeah.

Do you know that story about how when he was George Bush, the original Herbert Walker, he wanted to disclose and what they were going to say was we have recovered crashed UFOs that we have back engineered and we have biological entities. There are things that are not of this world and they're far more intelligent than us. It brought in a bunch of scientists and a bunch of scholars. And I want you to write down on the positives and the negatives of society, like the societal impact of Disclosure and give a numerical value to what is going to do the financial world, what it's going to do the religious world, what it's going to do to government. And at the end they all had the same conclusion. The cons far outweighed the pros in terms of disruption of society. So they decided not to release it.

Dude, what the fuck is that?

Wild. Like they almost did that. What was that? George Bush? It was like 90, 1990 maybe.

Yeah, it's really weird. Like crazy. If our entire society depends on protecting billionaire pedophiles and not talking about aliens, then maybe we need a new society. Just maybe this is a fucked up society.

Or this is a good time for Jesus to come back. Back.

Perfect time. Always a good time.

Also perfect. Because you'd have to really believe because with AI today you don't know what the is going on. So you'd have to really believe or Jesus comes through AI.

Well, it's possible. It is possible.

I mean that's the portal that opens up.

That's the. That's the Christ or the Antichrist consciousness.

Oh, well, come on, Duncan, really?

The Antichrist people are going to buy more tickets. More tickets than my movie. Nobody wants to see that.

It all works out in the end movie that the battle for Satan.

Listen, man, well, I think. I think that. I think I'm. Here's a cheesy way to end it.

Okay.

I feel so lucky. I'm your friend, man. You're the coolest. I was thinking about it the other day. You're one friends of my.

My.

You're one of my oldest friends. I've known you for so long, man.

I know we've known each other a long time.

It's fucking cool.

I love you to death.

I love you too.

I'm very happy that we're friends too.

Yeah, it's the best, man.

It is. And it's funny because we became friends really talking on the phone. When you were the guy taking the phone calls for availabilities at the Comedy Store.

We did this on the phone.

Yeah, we basically did. We started talking. You would tell me, man, have you heard about this? I'm like, no, what is it? Yeah, we'd have these long ass conversations on the phone. Yeah. While you were working hours. Hours. It really was like podcast back then, long before we ever went on the road together.

Yeah. Yeah. It's cool, man. Yeah.

Well, I'm glad you're here, man.

Well, likewise, likewise. Thank you for having me on.

My pleasure, brother. It's always fun. Always fun to hang out with you if you're around tonight. Come do the show if you can. Can you? Are you out?

I can't because I gotta wake up at 4, like 3am to fly. Oh, where you going tomorrow? I'm headed to Tacoma. Oh, can I say some dates?

Yeah. Yeah.

I always forget. Dude, you've got the most popular podcast on Earth.

You're in Tacoma this weekend. Where you at?

Hold on. I googled it because I've been on the road so much.

Tacoma's fun.

Well, when does this come out?

Tomorrow.

What?

Yeah.

Tacoma.

Tacoma.

Coming in Tacoma. I'm gonna be in Portland.

Here it is.

Oh, thank you.

Tacoma Comedy Club. I heard that's an awesome spot.

Helium in Portland.

Portland Heliums. Oh, boy, you're going right to the belly of the beast.

I'm excited.

Oh, perfect for your comedy.

Yeah.

Oh, they got a Richmond one too.

Yeah.

Nice. And then all of it is available at duncantrustle.com tour where my man.

Thank you, Joe. Love you.

Bye, everybody.

Bye.