Transcript of #2396 - Andrew Schulz

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience.

Train my day.

Joe Rogan podcast by night.

All day. Bro, I gotta play something for you. You've been getting into AI Music at all Music?

A little. A little?

Listen to this. Yeah, they're taking 50 Cent songs.

I knew we were gonna break that.

I heard you've heard Many Men, right?

Yeah.

Have you heard what up gangsta?

No, no, let me.

No, you haven't.

The Many Men one is fantastic.

The amazing.

Yeah.

Hold up, hold up. Before you hold up. He's not on.

Oh, my bad, my bad.

Listen, you gotta hear this. You gotta hear this. Wait till you hear this flow.

Here we go.

You stacking paper I can't get nothing with your. I'm not the type to get pop for a D well, I'm the type of stuff you connect when the coke.

Price climbs high gangsters want my cuts.

Yeah, they know me I grew up around the ice I flash across me I have your mama picking out your casket basket I'm on a next pier Brighton baguette bezel bin Pedal to the metal.

Goat.

Go.

This is fantastic.

So good.

How much of this is, like, one prompt? Or is there, like, a guy working.

With Jamie's the answer to that? Because Jamie's done a bunch of them.

Yeah. Like, how much of this is, like, actually editing and somebody who understands producing music, like, constantly prompting.

No.

Prompt for five words.

Holy. Say 1950s soul music. It's so easy. And put in the cigar.

Let's. Let's burn a cigar. Let's burn one down, man. Oh, man. 50 50s.

The man. Let's be toxic rich dudes.

Yes. Let's do it. What are we starting? Have we started?

Yeah, we're rolling.

We're rolling, we're rolling. Are these your. Your personal ones?

No, these are from Foundation Cigars. These are. I don't know what they're called, but these are legit.

My man. What happened to yours?

I still have those.

Those are nice.

Oh, those are great.

Yeah, we got a nice little box right here.

I just opened this box the other day. They're nice.

Foundation. Where are these from?

Probably Nicaragua. I think that's where he's got his thing.

Hey, I got you. What's the rules on that about Nicaragua?

Light another nice cigar. Oh, okay.

Yeah.

It'S like a man taking you shopping. You're 50. Say that about what you want to.

Take me shopping for.

And then he looked at Meek Mills.

Post, and they were wearing the same shirt. And as Diddy and Meek were wearing the Same shirt. He's like, see, that's why I don't let him take me shop.

50 is so funny. But you realize how good his lyrics are when you hear him run through AI. Like, you revisit the lyrics. Like, the Many Men lyrics are fantastic.

Yeah, The Many Men song, it almost works better, right? It's like a. What is that, like, 50s soul? Soul, yeah.

Well, if that dude was a real dude, he would be the biggest artist on earth right now. If that was his song, if it wasn't written by 50, it was his song and he put it out right now, everybody be like, oh, my God, the is this guy.

Yeah.

You just picture him looking like, just perfect, like, Cat Williams type suit on stage, you know, just going off sweating, wiping his head with a towel, full blast. Yeah, Just like Southern Deacon, 9,000 RPMs.

I just love the idea of, like, you working out to 50 soul, 50 cent.

Oh, I do. Yeah, I do, all the time.

Yeah.

Yeah. Working in there with Wu Tang. Wu Tang's my favorite workout music. Yeah. Big Daddy Kane. Yeah. Yeah. You like him?

Yeah, yeah. Have you ever talked to. Do you ever listen to epmd?

Oh, yeah.

You ever talked to, like, Eric Sermon?

No, never have. No, never have. Yeah, I love those guys.

I can't believe you and 50 have never connected.

Like, I know everybody once and I interviewed him.

Oh, really?

Ufc. Long time ago.

Where?

I don't remember, man. It might have been Vegas. It was a UFC event in Vegas and he was there. I don't know if he was releasing something or whatever it was. I sat next to him and.

That is harsh.

It's good, right?

That's a good one. But that's a strong one.

It's a Maduro.

Yeah, Yeah.

I like them.

Robust, I bet. Yeah. I'm glad I lit my own. Okay, wait, so wait, you met him, you were at the UFC fight and you spoke to him?

UFC event?

This is how long ago?

A long time ago, man. I had hair, so it'd be pretty. There it is right there.

Oh, so this is like when he's in the middle of his stuff with.

I mean, I gotta say, this is probably 2007 or something like that, but he was always involved with something. He was always beefing with somebody.

Yeah, that was the funniest thing, because when I.

When we were in.

He's in the Street Fighter movie. So we were in Australia filming. Like, I saw the guys with him and, like, I recognized, like, a couple, like, if it's a security, but they didn't look like, like, One guy looked like actual professional security. And I was like. I was like, oh, that's. That's.

That guy looks like.

That's his real job, being security. Not what I'm used to seeing 50 with.

Right.

And he goes, yeah, man. Can't get in the country with felonies, bro. I had to bring the clean ones, so.

So, like, the real people that he has around, wow. You got to bring clean security.

Clean security professionals. There's different levels of professionals.

Yeah, well, there's people that know things. Yeah.

Sometimes you go to, like, a city or state and you need to know those things.

You need to know things. Yeah, some people need to know things. Sometimes you gotta check in with folks, too. That's the thing. Your guys are the best fit.

Your guys hit me up. Just they're like, yeah, there's some crazy chick online. She says she wants to kill you, so just don't go to New Mexico.

And I was like, all right.

Bet I won't do that.

They're like.

They're like, she said she wanted to kill somebody else. I won't even say their names.

I don't want to get him any.

But like, yeah, as long as you don't go to New Mexico, be good.

I'm like, all right.

No plans.

Allegedly. Yeah. Yeah.

It's wild times.

Wild times. Wild times where people celebrate people getting killed. Now, like, that never happened before. Like, even when someone bad got killed before, you're like, oh, wow, that's kind of crazy.

I've been thinking a lot about this.

Yeah.

And I think that, like, I don't think we all exist in the same reality anymore. Not on some multiverse shit, but, like, just, like, how.

How we see the world.

Yes.

Yes.

And it's like, especially with Charlie's death, because I was in Australia when it happened, so, like, I had time. Like, I wasn't doing pods. I'm doing stand up. I'm just, like, sitting around in a trailer all day. This movie. So, like, started watching, like, a bunch of his stuff. Also, I want to say he did something really cool. Like, I didn't really know him, but, like, DM a couple of times. But he saw a headline about me once and he DM me, and I don't even have a relationship with this guy. He goes, this headline looks a little weird. Like, I know we don't really know each other, but, like, is this what you meant? And, like, there are people who I know, I've considered colleagues that haven't even afforded that to me.

Yeah.

Just ran with A headline and like made a video, got clicks, views or whatever like that, Right? This guy I don't even know hits me up and goes, is this what you meant?

Yeah, very cool. I met him once at a gun range.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I met him at Taren Tactical. So I was down there training, you know. Do you know what tariff?

This is the one where you see like a lot of like celebs.

The one where you see celebs. He trained Keanu Reeves for John Wick. He's the man, like Taryn Butler is like a multiple time world champion shooter of those. You know, the events that they have where it's time to shoot already.

Yeah.

So I met him there. Seemed like a real nice guy, you know, I didn't know anything about him back then. I didn't know much about his beliefs and views that were controversial until after he got killed. And then people started sending me stuff and I was like, okay, what's the context of this? He shouldn't have said it that way. There were some ones that we've talked about before, one specifically, you know, but it looked the fucking guy, first of all, was 31 years old. All right, when I was 31. Thank God. There wasn't like Twitter or especially when I was 21. Oh, my God. Thank God. Yeah, thank God. You know, judging like that. That's not like that Nick Fuentes kid. He's like 26. Thank God. It didn't exist when I was fucking 21. Yeah, I was a fucking moron. I was a complete moron like most people, especially if you grow up around morons. Yeah, But I think he, he said a few things that if I was his friend, I would say. Don't say it like that. I know what you're trying to say.

Yeah.

But don't ever say, when I go into a cockpit, I hope that the pilot, if he's black, is qualified. I know what you're trying to say. You shouldn't hire under qualified pilots. Yeah, but saying it like that, just.

Because of their skin.

He's probably not hanging out with black people, not knowing how offensive that's going to be. Right for them. How you got to go. That's not what I meant. Like, you got it. You got to. That's not what I meant. Before you say it. Yeah, you got to run it through the filter. Like, yeah, what am I trying to say? Yeah, we all don't want unqualified people to do dangerous fucking jobs, period. Doesn't matter what race they are. If all of a sudden white People became a minority and they had to start hiring dopey whites.

When he makes that argument, lot like he makes it with sports, you know, he's like, all right, if the NFL is going to be 50 black. And you know, like so. But again, like the context is taken out.

Yes.

And I think that's what happened. Like the, the algorithm flattens all of us into a two dimensional person. And like only the views that tap into, you know, your biggest insecurities, your biggest fears. Not the views, only like the, the lines we say or the videos, whatever, that tap into those.

Or what terrible things you want confirmed.

Exactly, exactly. Things you won't confirm. Like that's what the algorithm does. And like, I realized it when I was doing like a promo tour for, For Life. My last special, right? I would go on a couple pods that like. And like, maybe like 10, 15, 20 minutes into the conversation, they, I would realize like, oh, wow, they have a very different view of me than me.

The New York Times one?

No, well, the New York Times 1. I was like expecting it for sure. But even when I went on Dax's podcast, Dax knew me, but his, his co host, I was like, oh, she has an idea of me that's like cultivated by the Internet and headline. Ish. Exactly. And it's just a flattened version, right? It's like there's really no humanity in it. It's just these are the things that people are saying that I'm saying with no context, right? And then you just create an archetype. And like, I think in a lot of ways that's the Charlie thing to the furthest extreme, right? It's just like, if you're on the right, there's one version of Charlie. If you're on the left, there's another version of Charlie, right? And when he died, this person that you saw is like a good, God fearing man. You're like heartbroken by it. And then on the left, this person you saw that was like bigoted or hateful, you're like, okay, I'm not really heartbroken by it. Some people are even crazy enough to be like, he deserved it, or this is what you get, right? But they can only have that feeling if he's completely dehumanized.

The version of him that they see all the time, that happens to you, it happens to me. It happens to like anybody who's on the Internet talking for a few hours a week. And when I saw that shit, and especially I saw this visceral reaction to Charlie, that's what shows the Insanity in the country. Because the people on the left are seeing the people on the right be heartbroken, but they're like, why are you heartbroken over this guy who's a bigot? And the people on the right are seeing the people on the left celebrating. They're like, why are you celebrating the death of this God fearing family man? And both sides just think each other is absolutely insane.

Yeah.

When in reality, he's neither of those cartoons. Right, Right.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it was just the life thing. When I was talking to those people, I was like, you know, 20 or 30 minutes in the conversation be like, oh, wow. Like, yeah, you're not kind of who I thought you were.

Right.

I'm like, yeah. Cause you let people. You let people tell you who I was in 30 second clips.

Yeah.

It's not like I have four hours of podcasting every single week that you can indulge in to figure it out.

What do they try to label you? Like, what is the. What's the angle they take on you? Is it your heterosexual sphere? Oh, you're heterosexual and I hate it. Heterosexual is a real problem in this day and age.

Yeah, no, no, it's. Yeah.

I think that, like, manosphere.

I think there's like Brogan verse, like, manosphere, like, and I think that this is kind of a new iteration post election. So I think what a lot of people are struggling with, the fact is they're trying to, like, find a way that the Democrats lost the election without taking any accountability for, like, what they were doing.

Right.

So it's like, oh, because he went on Rogan and Schultz and Theo's podcast, that's the reason why he won. It's like, now they kind of ran a dead guy that was very unpopular, and then they ran a woman that can't really talk that well in front of the camera.

An open border for four years. That freaked everybody out.

Sure, sure. But like, in New York, people aren't really worried about the open border.

Oh, they were. You don't think they were. I talked to a lot of people in New York that were upset about the migrants that had been shipped there, that they were putting it up in the Roosevelt Hotel.

The migrant crisis for sure. Like, New York, I think, like, affected people. I'm not saying it didn't, but, like, I don't think that they attach it to the border. I think they're more just like, well, just don't send them here, you know, like, just keep them down there or whatever. Like, you guys chose to live near the.

When they sent them to Martha's Vineyard.

Oh, yeah.

Get the out of here. They moved about so quick. Martha's Vineyard is all liberals, bro. It's all super rich, Mercedes driving limo.

It's the NIMBYism. What is it called? Not in My backyard.

Exactly.

Right? That's like the. And there's a. You know Ezra Klein. Do you know, like, Ezra did a great piece? And it's so funny because, like, he's trying to be reasonable right now. He's, like, trying to.

I know they're calling him a right.

Winger, and I keep hitting him up, and I'm like, bro, you're doing the right thing. When. When there are groups that, like, hate you because you're actually trying to, like, win an election. You're trying to be reasonable. He had this whole thing about, like, hey, the reason why they can build a lot of buildings in Texas and why we can't in Los Angeles is because there are restrictive laws and people are like, this guy's an animal. All right, buddy, I don't know what to do. So I understand that frustration. Shit, I've felt it a million different times. Like, you try to be nuanced and reasonable. There's really no place on the Internet for it, because why would the algorithm reward anything nuanced and reasonable? That's not entertaining. I want to see Nick Fuentes talk shit.

Right?

Do you know what I mean? I don't want to see, like, a thoughtful take from some, like, TV host.

You want Sam Hyde?

I get wild Sam.

You know what I mean?

Now, does it mean that I agree with these things? No, no. But the algorithm doesn't know what you agree with or not. They just know what you click on. Share.

It's part of the fun of the Internet in general is that it's not regulated. So when wild people break through and everybody goes, bro, what did.

What was the first thing we did with sora? You got MLK giving a speech, and a Down syndrome kid walks up and goes, peanut butter.

Right, right. Well, how about those videos where they had, like, Trump playing in a band and, like, there was a. Like, Clinton was on the saxophone. Do you ever see those?

No.

Oh, my God. But, like, incredible. We're gonna make Creedence Clearwater Revival together.

I mean, I still. When the down syndrome kid comes up and it just says, it's all good, it's guilt free because he's not a real person.

Right.

He's made up.

Right, right, right, right.

Okay.

You can laugh at him.

We can laugh because it's not A real person. Right.

But that brings to like what about AI down syndrome porn?

The sounds would be crazy. I mean we got to see it just for the sounds. Right? It's just.

Did they just announce that was is Open Air doing an erotica version? Peanut butter.

Now? Yeah, they said they wouldn't censor it. They're like, it's not our job to be the moral police.

Oh, well then it's over then. It's Andrew Schultz porn all day long.

Yeah. So that's. So that's a crazy porn can they do. Listen. Hey bro.

You handsome devil.

Hey.

The mustache is it. It's isn't moral police of the world after erotica chatgpt post blows up.

So that's the thing. Can you do it? Can you make porn with us? Or can you just make it with.

Like random 100% can with you.

With. What about you?

We can't make porn with you. Me too. I just want you to feel it.

Hit me with the spider man. They bore with you. Do it. Get him.

Well, it's gonna be a real problem with female celebrities and it already has been a problem. They face swapped Natalie Portman onto porn stars bodies.

Remember they were doing we were kids with Photoshop. The second Photoshop came out.

Yep, yep, yep.

There was like tons of porn. Who's the lady that ran for president from Alaska?

Oh, Sarah Palin.

Sarah Palin was like every single porn video.

Yeah.

So yeah. Why would they not do it?

They're doing it 100% was a real thing.

We won't be upset as long as like we're, we're throwing it down. Like we'll be upset if like our wives are in it.

Right. That'll be an issue.

But if somebody makes a porn where I got like a huge and I'm just shit up.

But the problem is it's going to be your wife getting teamed on. It won't even be like why are.

We putting these things out there?

Why you keep giving them ideas? The Internet is a dangerous place. It always ends up with me getting yeah, the world's dark right now with this because there's no rules and people are just. It's sort of like if you gave the world matches for the first time and they're like, I could just start a fire. Do you think they did that initially.

Where they create a fire? They're like, we need some rules for this shit. We just can't let everybody for sure should.

I mean, I thought about control.

Was that like the original?

How weird is it that I Don't even have to have a license to have one of the most powerful forces in the world with the palm of my hand. And I could be six.

Okay, imagine after the Chicago fire, right? Like, 80% of the city is decimated. I don't even know what year that is. Probably 1800s or something like that.

Did they say maybe we got to take matches away from these?

Or, like, fireplaces or something? Like, I bet they didn't let you build a house out of wood anymore. Yeah, but we need concrete or something. Like, we need another.

They did that.

Why'd they do it?

Probably for structural rigidity and, like, from the cold. It's better if you have, like. I wouldn't. I would imagine there's a bunch of reasons to make something out of brick. It's more. It's hard to get into, I imagine. You mean light on fire? Concrete is. Yeah, I mean, they're making. By the way, they probably should do this a long time ago, but they're. They're making fireproof houses now and, like, Malibu, places like that. Rich people. Yeah, you would imagine, like, if you're living in a place that, like, once the fire hits, no one stopping shit.

So.

Yeah, they just busted somebody for that.

I know. I saw that. Like, the person who started the fire.

Yeah.

It wasn't in Palisades. It was, like, the one that connected to it or something like that.

Something like that. But this dude. Dude was, like, really into fires. Like, he. He had a bunch of chat. GPT prompts about fires.

And that's an interesting autism right there.

It's a weird one, man.

You could had trains or dinosaurs, but you got fire. Fires, bro.

There was one guy where they arrested. He had a fake fire truck, and he was at the Palisades. He was a convicted arsonist.

How much Tylenol your mom take? A fake fire truck.

He bought a fire.

So a real fire truck?

Yeah, he bought a fire truck, painted the logo on it, whatever, and then drove it to the Palisades where the fires were.

Oh. And that started the fires. But nobody suspected.

They don't know if he started fires. They don't know. Yeah, but they do know that this arsonist was at the fires with a fire truck. And they're like, you're not a fireman, dude. In fact, you're the opposite of thing.

That's why it's kind of. It's. It's like a brilliant disguise.

Yeah, well, in the middle of the chaos, you know, Huberman filmed a bunch of guys lighting fires. He said it Was nuts. He said there was like teams of people running around starting fires while the fires are going on. Yeah, he said he watched people do it. People were screaming at him and honking their horn. They arrested people that were doing it. So once chaos break, it's like they did a study a while back where they parked a car on the campus of Stanford and they parked a car, I think it was in the Bronx. The car in the Bronx got stripped immediately. They. They had families coming in, taking the battery and like, openly. Because they had cameras on it.

Yeah.

The. The car in Stanford didn't get fucked with at all. They left it alone until someone broke. They said, let's just mix this up and break one of the windows. Smash the window. And then within a day it was like stripped apart.

Yeah.

The guy that was going in, they caught him at a checkpoint, but I think they're alluding that he was probably.

Gonna go try to rob the houses.

There's a bunch of tools that they say were using. Interesting. Well, he's probably trying to do that too. I mean, he's a piece of. But wasn't he already an arsonist before this? Yes, yes. Yeah, he's just an all around piece of. It's not like, hey, I'm an arsonist, but I'm not a thief.

Yeah.

I wouldn't steal jewelry.

Yeah.

Come on. I saw people just running out of people's houses with TVs. Like, people were filming it from the street.

Yeah.

Just break it in, kicking the door in. Just running in teams of people with masks on.

Yeah, yeah. Robbing somebody's personal home feels different. I mean, it's up to just break into a Kmart or any of those things. Like, but you see how, like.

Oh, it's way different.

You could get caught up in like a. I don't call it the excitement, but like, you know, you're a little kid and something's going down. You're like, all right, let's get after it.

Yeah.

Like, bringing to somebody's home is a little.

It's horrible.

Yeah.

It's evil.

Yeah. Cuz there's like a person behind it. Whereas, like, Kmart is like this corporation also.

They're always going to know you were.

In their home, like for rest of their life.

Yeah.

They live with that.

Well, as long as they're back in that house, they're going to know that when the fires broke out, you kicked in their front door and ransacked their house, and now they're sitting in it. If the house didn't Burn down. Now they're sitting in the house. The house probably burned down. Yeah. Which is, I guess their logic is like, get in there now, otherwise there's going to be a puddle of on the ground instead of a Rolex. Let's go get it. Yeah, you know, know.

Yeah. It's crazy how like the fires weren't even that long ago.

I know. Wasn't that long ago. And they, but they haven't even touched a house. Adam Corolla just did a video about it.

What do you say?

He. First of all, he called it. Corolla called it a long time ago. Cuz Corolla's been involved in construction his whole life.

Right.

So he knows how hard it is to get permits to build in the palace. It's like no one is going to rebuild.

This is.

But they haven't even touched it.

Yeah, but I think they just said that they're going to start like stripping back some of that legislation.

Exactly. They're going to start putting low income housing up there.

This is what happened with. I think it was in like, I think it was in Philadelphia, right. I think it was, there was like a bridge that collapsed. You remember this was this in Philly, Pennsylvania. And I think the governor was like, okay, we have to rebuild this because obviously there's going to be like huge traffic situations. Like we just, we need this thing. This is just how humans are going to kind of get around. And so they stripped all legislation and they were able to put it up in a matter of weeks. If I'm not mistaken. Jamie, you know what I'm talking about.

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I remember that story. I remember something.

How long would this take if we didn't strip all the legislation there? Like 16 to 18 months. So you did it in three weeks compared to 16, 18 months. I think this is where people get like frustrated with all the bureaucracy and the red tape. Now I also believe in some red tape. Like I live in New York City, there's somebody renovating above us right now. I got a kid, you know what I mean? So it's like I would like a little red tape to make sure they're just not hammering 24 hours a day.

Right.

We live on top of each other. You live in Texas, there's probably. You don't even see your neighbor. You could have a little less red tape.

Right.

But then we get to the point in New York where it's like, okay, is it impossible to renovate ever? Maybe that's too much. But there Needs to be some in different situations.

100%. I completely agree. I got in a conversation about that a long time ago with Dave Rubin where we were talking about regulations for construction sites that you don't. You don't need inspectors. And I was like, oh, my God.

Yeah, that's the bro. They'll put. They'll put the cancer in the kids cereal.

Yeah. They don't give a fuck.

Like, if you don't regulate the food, they'll put anything in it.

Well, that's.

So you need to have somebody looking at it.

It's in it right now. This is this RFK junior shit where they're turning him into a quack. And these companies are going to go under if they have to follow these regulations. They're following them already in Canada.

Exactly.

It's like, same factory, same Fruit Loops.

And now we got to feel bad for Kellogg's, right? We're like, oh, my God, they're not going to make it. Poor Kellogg's.

Didn't Newsom just veto a bill that would stop Forever Chemicals? There was a bill that was. Stopped forever. Chemicals being used on, I think, cooking utensils. Like, there's certain, like, nonstick cookware that has forever chemicals on it. If you're scraping it with, like, a metal spatula, it'll probably get in your diet.

Yeah.

Not good. Yeah, I think they were banning it, so he vetoed it. Yeah. He vetoed a California bill banning cookware with PFAS Forever chemicals. Says the bill would cause sudden product shift, sparking debate among chefs, lawmakers, and environmentalists. No, no. The bill stops poison, bro. The bill stops poison for going into human bodies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You profit monster.

Yeah.

Did you fucking profit monster? Did you.

Did you see. There's a. There's a guy named Van Lathen was asking him about apac. Did you see this? He just says something interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's interesting. Something.

I. I don't think about it. I don't.

It's interesting. It's interesting.

I'm interested. I mean, now I'm interested.

Now I'm interested.

Yeah. When is he coming on? He's talking some shit on Twitter.

I know. It's like, you think that's going to work? Like, that's so stupid. Like, this is such a. A bad look. It's such a bad choice.

There's a little desperation in it, but it's just stupid.

It's like, this is a bad strategy. Like, I probably would have had him on. Yeah. But now I'm like, no, what are you doing?

There is a fun version where you just do it and cook them.

You know, he'll cook himself.

I mean that.

All you have to do is just ask them questions.

Yeah. It's like, why are people leaving?

Well, why do you say this thing all the time where you rattle off all the good things about California? When anybody says something bad about California, it's like number one at Fortune 500 companies. Number one in higher vacation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was all that before you were there. It was all that forever. It's because the weather's perfect, man. It has nothing to do with.

California is an unbelievable state. This is just what we have to call.

It's like the mountains in the oceans two hours apart.

It's unbelievable. Yeah, it's. It's probably in terms of, like, one place. If you had to live in one state for the rest of your life, one state for the rest of your life, you could never move, and that was the only place you could live. It's Cal. It's California. It's like, not even a question.

Yeah, it's perfect.

If you want snow, you can have snow.

Yeah.

If you want to be in San Diego and the beach all day, you have the San Diego. The beach. You could surf, you could snow, but you could do whatever the you want.

You want to be kinds of parts of San Francisco, all kinds of parts of Oakland, all kinds of parts of, you know, the San Fernando Valley. It's so different. It's like there's so many different ways you can live in California, but they're.

Problems and people are leaving. Like, if people are leaving the place you're in charge of, don't be upset if people are critical of how you've been managing it.

Yeah.

Like Hollywood. I've been talking to, like, people who are making films. Like, the producers are films, not like the actors. Right. Like, the actual people are putting the money up to make films. Right. Because they'll give you the real right. Like, we're filming in Australia. I'm like, guys, why the fuck are we filming Australia? Like, Australia is nice, but why the fuck are we here? And they're like, you can't make a movie in Hollywood. I go, what do you mean you can't make. They go, you can. I go, where was Hollywood on the list of places we could film? I'll give me the number.

And he.

They're like, not even top 10. Not even top 10.

Wow.

It's. It was Australia. You get 60% off in taxes or something like that.

60, 60.

We're talking about. If you're making like a $10 million rom com, that's one thing. If you're making a hundred million dollar, two hundred million dollar film, 60 off in taxes.

Yeah.

So something's happened in LA and it's up because I look at la, kind of like a college football town, but college football is the film industry. And it's like if you don't nurture that. I'm not worried about the actors. It's like there's a guys who do the lighting, they do transpo. These are guys who are like, they're like working class guys. They make good money. Don't get me wrong, right? That goes away. The crew that came out to film, like a lot of the crew that came out to film in Australia was from la and a lot of them.

Have moved out a.

They've moved to like San Diego. Like my boy Nick was A.D. he's like, yeah, there's just no work in LA right now. So we'll travel for the job and then I just live the rest of my time in San Diego. That's a problem. Netflix just built this like billion dollar fucking studio in Jersey. Did you see this?

No.

So, like they're gonna start taking production over there. I'm just saying, like, you have the industry that everybody knows Los Angeles for. What other thing do we know LA for?

That's it. It's being famous. Music, movies. Yeah, it's all la. That's all LA is.

I don't even know what music is coming out of there anymore. Like when we were kids, you think about like what those, those iconic like rock and roll venues, right?

Well, it's also a town of lost children. Right? Like the, one of the problems with LA is like, if you wanted to talk about a town that doesn't have like an emotional base that's healthy. Like the main motivation of a good percentage of the people that came out there is to just to get attention to make up for a shitty childhood. Like, that's the main, the main population.

LA is, is attention to make up for a shitty childhood. New York is money to make up for a shitty child.

Yes.

That's really what it is.

Yes.

It's like New York is the hedge funds of the banks. Because it's like, okay, my dad wasn't around, my mom hated me, but I'm gonna make a billion dollars.

And that my mom was on pills and barely there and, you know, sociopathy.

I could be this hedge fund guy that's gonna take over the world. That's what they believe. And then LA is the same thing, but it's just passing the back. I want you to love me yeah.

It's both two different versions of American Psycho.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to wonder, like, which one is worse.

Like, New York is better because at least they have more information. They have more things they can talk to you about.

What I say. Yeah. What I always say about New York is like, we still. We still appreciate greatness, even if you're not. Even if you're not wealthy. So, like, the best skateboarder is really cool in New York.

Yeah.

The best street artist is really cool.

Like. Right, right, right.

Whereas I think la, because it's built around the entertainment industry, it's like whatever's hot. You could have a dog shit movie, but if it's the biggest movie, you're the guy.

Yeah.

And because there is that dependence on, like, star power over there. Where I think is New York is like the kind of dependence is the banks. Like, the industry doesn't rely. So, like, we get to masquerade as, like, really enjoying artists.

Right. Like, you could be a bad motherfucker and be playing in like, subway tunnels.

And people like, oh, this guy's.

And some guys do like. Like make it out of there like that.

Like Charlie Crockett busking, I believe it's called.

Well, yeah, Charlie Crockett used to just pull up and start playing. You don't know Charlie Crockett is.

Did they do a 50s version of his music?

No, no, no.

That's the only way I know.

No, he's. He does like a 50s version of his music. Oh, he's like a country guy who was a street kid. Oh, yeah, man. He's a bad. He's really good, man.

I was not familiar.

He's got a voice where you like, oh, this guy's seen some shit.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Okay, I got you his. So he used to.

This is fire.

He would sing on subway cars. He would sing, you know, in the tunnels.

Yeah.

He would do his. On street corners. If he was like, homeless for a long time.

Yeah.

And now he's killing it.

Yeah.

Very, very interesting guy. But that's New York, right? He was in New York doing country music outside. Yeah, you can do some stuff like that in New York. And people like, look at this. Bad. That's the thing, dude. In la, they're. You loser. You're never going to be Bruce Springsteen. Whatever it is.

They don't care about the best pool player in la. No. But New York, there's like a little bubble that you could exist in where you're like the king of the fucking castle.

True. LA has no pool halls and it's.

Just like another version. It's like everything is geared around entertainment and I get it. That's it. It's like if you're the coach of a football team in Ohio State, like, you're the guy.

Yeah.

But I think it's kind of cool, New York, that you have these little bubbles where, you know, people really value this niche thing that you do.

Well, New York has strong communities of bubbles, right? Like, the pool thing is a good example because LA at one time had Hollywood Billiards, which was a 24 hour pool hall that was filled with hustlers. It was like a notorious place. Like, if you were a New York pool player and you were coming to la, you went to Hollywood and you, you went downstairs and there was all these like, you could get a game, you can get a game with some.

Fucking killers to say, bro, it's underground.

A lot of them.

It's like, at least back Rob, that was Chelsea.

Chelsea Village was underground too. Like some of the big. That was.

And then the one up on 86 was it. I think at one point it was Amsterdam, but it was. Yeah, it was upstairs. And then there was another one on 86th street on the east side that was downstairs.

Oh, yeah, the downstairs one's probably shiftier.

That was the one that Nikki Shulman, the guy I was telling you about, that I went to middle school with in elementary school.

Oh, he would go to that one.

That's what we would just go during lunch. And I was like, why is this guy like this place?

There was hundreds of pool halls in the 90s when I lived in New York. Hundreds. You'd go to these like 24 hour Chinese joints.

Yeah, yeah.

You go in Chinatown and there's killer players and they could barely speak English. But my point is, LA only had one.

My boy, this Chinese kid. We called him Cowboy. We went to. He was, he was at our school. I mean, like, the kid had the strongest Chinese accent. I think he was born in America. It was crazy. It was like I didn't even understand. I was like, this guy's got to be putting it on. He lived in like, like the Chinese version of like the projects in Chinatown, right? And he had a pool table in his apartment. Whoa, there's no room in the apartment. It's the projects, right? Like, I'm watching his mom, like, skirt around the pool table. Half the shots. You can't even do, but like the obsession was unreal and cowboy was, was legit.

Yeah, yeah. You need a place to practice in the dark when no one's looking. Yeah, that's the thing about pool players. You want to get good when no one's watching. So you could sneak up on people.

Oh yeah, yeah.

So they have this idea how good you play, but you play a lot better than that. You got to be able to practice in silence.

Yeah, but now with the Internet, you can't hustle anymore. I feel like.

No, there's no hustling anymore. There's like maybe a few guys that could pull it off on idiots. But amongst high level guys, everybody knows every. You're all the action is knocked. My point was this is only one place in all of LA, right? LA had 20 million people. There was one place that was pretty good. But yeah, there was a, there was a place in the Valley. There was a couple places. And like when you start going out towards Santa Barbara. Well, tout that or there's a few places. But as far as like the volume of New York City was not even close. It was New York, Connecticut, New Jersey. They were all filled with legendary pool hall. We used to play at West End Billiards in New Jersey. They had a weekly tournament with like pros. It was in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Super sketchy area. Super sketchy. But you would go there and you'd see Steve Miserack playing Rodney Morris. Two world class, world championship level pool players in this shitty ass weird spot with a diner counter there. It was, it was. They were everywhere.

It's a cool world, the pool world.

Oh, it's, it's a great world.

I remember I was here. Forget what it was, but like there you had a guy down here. I don't know if he just did the podcast, but he was like an og and I think he like commentates maybe now, but Jeremy Jones.

Jeremy boy. Yeah.

And he could hold court like he was funny. Storyteller.

Yeah, he's a funny dude. He was on the podcast too. He had some great stories.

Yeah, that was cool.

So he, that dude won the US Open. The US Opens. The pool tournament. Where. It's the US Open. But people come from everywhere. Yeah, like people come from all around the world. Taiwan, Germany, all over the place to play in that tournament. That's the big one. And Jeremy won that shit. He won that shit. That's how good he plays.

Hearing his stories about like going like being like essentially like a traveling pool hustler and like popping into a Town where you heard there was some game and you travel with, like, a couple other people. One guy would, like, sense it out. He would go play a couple games, see who's there, and then Jeremy would just come in and just clean up for two weeks straight. And then you're out of there. Yep, it is.

And you play like you suck at first.

At first, right? That's right. Yeah. The first week, you just let people beat up on you a little bit, and then the second week, you eat their lunch.

Depends on how thick your bankroll is, you know, like, if you could start off, like, just. You only got, like, 150 to lose, you know, like, you have your gambling money and, like, what can we with before we start getting into real money? Because if you want to get somebody on the hook, you don't want to get them on the hook for $100. You want to get them on the hook for 5,000.

Hook means you want them to have the confidence that they'll beat you.

Well, when they're on the hook is when they're fucked, right? So. So you let them win a few games, and then you say, let's bet some real money.

Y.

You know, you look nervous and shit, and then you get a game for $5,000. You're like, clean up. Here we go. And then you loosen up. Then all of a sudden, the stroke is smooth, and he's like, what the.

Happens, like, midway through that game when someone realizes they're being hustled?

Oh, they get mad. I've been there. I've been there. Not with me. I was never good enough to hustle people. But my friend Johnny was a professional pool hustler. My friend Johnny was a homeless guy.

Not the guy that. From Connecticut.

No, that's Tommy.

Tommy.

That's Tommy.

Yeah.

Tommy was different. Tommy wasn't as crazy as Johnny. Like, Tommy's clean and sober. He has been. Like, he smokes a little weed, but, like, his whole life. He never drank, never did drugs.

Right.

And he was an elite pool player. But Johnny was the. Johnny actually used to play at the Subways, too. He used to go down. He was a musician, so he would. He would. Had a little keyboard. And yeah, that was one of the ways that he made money. But he would hustle people. That's how I met him. He tried to hustle me. Yeah. He just comes over and he starts, you know, talking like, dude, you play pretty good. You want to play some? And I was like, what we talking about, man?

You have the defenses up, like, right.

Away, I Knew I could smell a predator. I was like, get the fuck out of here.

So.

We became friends. So he.

So he sees it. Do you respect the hustle?

100%.

Okay. So within pool, someone trying to hustle you, it's not seem as. It's not seen as like an act of aggression at all. It's just like, this is part of the game.

Part of the. Part of the fun. Yeah, it's part of the fun.

Oh, so you almost appreciate when someone 100% because you.

You don't know. Like, is this guy fucking with me? You play good. Do you play good and you don't know. Did you ever see the movie the Color of Money?

No.

There's a scene where. Was it Paul Newman and Forest Whitaker. Forest Whitaker hustles Paul Newman.

Yeah.

And. And he. At one point in time, Paul Newman goes, are you a hustler? Are you a hustler, Ambassador? Because Paul Newman in the movie, the hustler, was the guy who did that to other people. He pretended he sucked, and then he would event all their money.

Yeah.

And he goes. And Forest Whitaker looks at him. Why? You want to quit? Hey. He goes, you can quit. And he's like, you. He's like, all right, let's go. And then he's. He's got him on the hook because he's better than him. And Paul Newman has to realize, oh, my God, this young guy is better than me, and he's stealing my money. And at the end, he asked him a question. He goes, can I ask you a question? Do you think I need to lose some weight? And he just smiles at him and he just walks out. Because, you know, Forest Whitaker is fat.

Yeah. Yeah.

You know, he just smiled at him, and he just peels the hundreds off the table and leaves. That's part of the fun. Part of the fun is, like, maybe you're gonna get got. But it can only happen in two ways. But if you are naive or if you suck, because if you're the best, you can't get hustle.

Yeah. I guess what I'm trying to say is, like, in just regular life, if somebody was trying to hustle me, I would be like, fuck you. You're an asshole.

Right?

But there's a different. It's almost like prison rules. Like, there's a different set of rules. Like, being racist is wrong in regular life. And then everybody goes into prison. It's like, all right, we're gonna divide this thing up a little bit. You know, gonna throw it back to the 1800s, and it's just like. I don't even know if they look at it as hateful. I think they're like, this is just what we gotta do to make it through. I assume that's kind of more or less what. I'm sure there's hateful guys within it.

Yeah, yeah.

But, like, so. So I just. I just find it interesting when people have different rule sets that they operate within society.

Yes.

And I feel like this is one of them where a guy's coming over to essentially steal your money, but you understand that the game is that. So you're like, okay, I'm gonna let you, like, riz me up a little bit. Like, I'm gonna let you fake charm me, and I might actually get you over. And there's no animosity between the sharks.

Have you ever seen two elite pool players talk about the game? About, like, setting up a game? They're like, I don't know. I haven't been playing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I haven't been hitting balls. You know, I'm not really. I. I can't give you any weight, man. I'm just not playing that good.

Weight is like.

Weight is like a spot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, like, if nine ball. So, like, if you and I are playing nine ball and you were kind of good, I say, look, I'll give you the eight ball, which means you could win by pocketing the eight ball or the nine ball. It way increases your ability to win the game because you can make combinations. You could luck in the eight ball, luck in the nine. And I would say it's call or wild.

What does that mean?

It's wild. It means you could knock into some balls and accidentally knock in the eight ball and you'd win the game.

Yeah.

I would say I'll give you the call ball, shot, eight. You're like, no, I need it wild. And we'd have this conversation. I need it wild, and I need the brakes. Like, oh, I don't know about the brakes. And you'd have to, like, work out a game, a spot. So, like, that's where the hustling comes in. Because someone pretends they need weight that can beat you. They can beat you already, and then they get you to give them weight.

So now. Yeah, now you got a lot of confidence going in. You're like, this guy sucks to the point where I got to give him.

Do you know open micrs that are way too confident for their actual ability? You know, open micrs that think they're doing well, or guys in the beginning.

I don't know any open Microsoft anymore. Yes, yes, yes.

That's the same way with pool players. There's pool players that are kind of okay, but think they're a lot better than they are. And if. If they're a moron and you could dance with their ego a little bit. Like, dude, I saw you play. Mikey, you're fucking amazing, man. When you get loose, you're way better than me. And the guy's like, I'll give you a spot. And then, you know, he's giving you the eight ball and he can't beat you even. It's half of the fun. Jeremy Jones told me a story about how he hustled Marcus Shamont. Marcus Shamont's like a world class pool player, like a top flight pool player. And he hustled him by getting him to give him weight. And Jeremy could beat him even.

And why would Marcus do it? Like, he must have, because he didn't know any better.

Jeremy came in with a fake name.

Okay, okay, that makes sense. That's crazy. That's.

Well, they all had fake names. They all had fake names.

Yeah. He told me that when he was coming down to Texas to get those games. Like, yeah, you come up with a fake name and like, somebody else talks about you.

Yes.

Like your buddy who goes in to kind of like scope it out talks about you.

He gambles high. Yeah. He's a wild. He loses a lot, but he's not. He's not scared of gamble. And everybody loves to hear that kind of stupid talk.

Yeah.

Do you know Efren Reyes is.

Yo, you told me about this guy, and then I started looking him up, bro. But what was his other name?

Caesar Morales.

Yes, yes, yes.

He came here from the Philippines. This is how strong he was. From another country. He had to change his name.

It's before Google, before Wikipedia.

Black and white photo. There's a black and white photo that I have a T shirt of. Was like, morales stuns the field at reds. He came over from the Philippines and robbed everybody. Guys rob the best blue players in America. He had to fake his name because if he said Efren Reyes, you'd see the look on the Filipino's face.

Like, efren, Efron's here. Yeah, yeah. Bata.

They called him Bata. The kid was this.

I wonder if this is like, early days.

Look at that.

Oh, that's.

Look at that photo, bro. Black and white photo, 1985.

Yeah.

It didn't have to be black and white in 85. 5. But that dude rolled over here and started people up.

His name on there.

Oh, signs his name. Efren Reyes. Well, you know what it is, because when he played in the tournament, he went under the name of Caesar Morales. Then he had to collect his money. He needed, like, a real name where he had ID to cash the check.

There's another guy that was using an alias, too.

Well, Wade Crane. Wade Crane would go around as Billy Johnson. That was his nom de plur when he was hustling Billy Johnson, but he was Wade Crane. He was this big, like, linebacker looking dude who had a cannon for a break. Just boom.

Yeah.

And then it would just run out on people all over the country. And the thing is, if you rob lemons, that's when you're getting in fights. So if you rob regular people, that's a regular guy who doesn't really play pool.

Yeah.

And you hustle him. That's when you get in fights. Because they don't know how the. This whole thing works. Yeah. Of engagement.

Yeah.

They. They think it's a crime. You know, does that look better than.

You really amongst the sharks? You know?

Right.

Everything's.

You have to be, like, really desperate to play lemons. If you find some idiots just knocking some eight balls around and you could tell they can't play at all. Yeah. And you start talking shit to get in their ego. And you. You convince one of these dummies to play you from a money. You're stealing money. Yeah. And they might kill you.

Yeah.

But if you do it to a guy who's involved in a gambling match for pool.

Yeah.

Him and his buddies are playing, and.

They'Re professional fighters fighting each other.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's the rules of engagement. And amongst pool players, it's part of the fun. Like, they'll go for an hour and a half without making a game, just talking shit about different spots. I'm gonna need this. I'm gonna need that.

Because they're addicted to that part too, too.

Oh, yeah.

Like sometimes foreplay. Yeah. Yeah.

Hey, I go right in there.

Yeah. Suck on it a little.

Yeah. Let's get the juices flowing. Come on. It's fun to.

Yeah, it's fun to. It's fun to enjoy something, especially.

Yeah. When you sit down at a restaurant, you don't immediately get food stuffed right in your face.

Yeah.

You sit down, have a glass of wine, you start talking. Let me tell you what this guy told me. And then like.

But are you doing that when you're. When you're playing? Like, you Said you're playing how many hours a week now?

It depends. Sometimes I'll play, like, two hours in a day, every day.

Okay, so let's say you're playing bare minimum. Let's say 10 hours a week.

Right? That's not good enough.

Yeah, I know. I know. I mean, I remember when we were talking last time, you said that, like.

Pros play eight hours a day.

Yeah, but you said some crazy shit. You said, you're like, I don't start playing well until, like, hour six or something. Hour two, you said some shit about, like, I need to be a little drunk. I need to be, like, a little loose.

Like, no, not drunk. A little high helps.

It was what you started, like, everything that goes against what should work for, like, your physical ability.

Right.

I know. You see, you mentioned something about, like, flow or something. I think this is with Jones, too. Like, Jones, like. Yeah. I like getting into it. Like, he was like, I'll play for, like, six hours. And then I'm starting to really kind of warm up.

I'm locking in.

I'm dialing in.

Yeah.

And that's why it's like, first to a hundred. Like, that's another thing I didn't realize. I didn't realize guys are playing a hundred games over, like, two days, three days.

120 is a big one.

I thought it's like, yo, we play a couple. It's like, best out of five. And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, you're up. And sometimes part of it is being able to outlast them. Like, the exhaustion takes over, and sometimes people tap out.

Well, concentration goes away. The. Like, the concentration of focusing on an edge of a ball at distance and then also not moving your arm off this line. Yeah. So there's a line that I'm. When I'm stroking a ball, there's a.

Line out of this. I can't. Sora, Sora, do your thing.

Here we are. I'll help you out.

Have the kids come in. Peanut butter.

From the elbow to the cradle, right? I'm holding on to that cue like a baby bird.

Oh, really? It's a soft.

Oh, it's very soft. I hold on to, like. Like a little baby bird.

Yeah.

I never, like, death grip. Yeah, it's very light.

Very death grip.

It who? Peanut. But no.

See what Sora's doing to us?

Yeah, man. No, no.

Okay, so it's a light grip, and then on the final stroke, you have to.

The thing is, it's like. Like, even then, it's like, mostly the weight of the cue. It's like, a little bit of, like, wrist action, and I'm trying to, like, have as little. I let the cue slip a little in my grip as it makes contact. It's really, like, the weight of the cue.

Why would you want to reduce force?

It's not reducing force. It's actually the opposite. I actually get more force.

Oh, you let it slip forward into it. I thought on impact, it slides back in your hands.

No, it goes through my hand. I have to catch it before it goes away.

Got it. Got it.

Jeremy calls it throwing the cue, and he showed me the technique. And it's also the. The old school guys used to call it a slip stroke, where the cue, like, slips in your hand a little bit, and it's a sign that you, like, barely. Like, Efren was the best at it. Efren cradled the Q like, his hands were barely holding it. He's barely holding it, and his wrist was loose. And it makes the cue ball dance. Like, there's no sliding. If you hit it too hard, the cue ball slides. It's like it gets pushed.

Pushed.

It's crude, but if you hit it gently, stroke the ball, it just rolls forward perfectly and collides with the other ball. Gets perfect position. It's a work of art, but it's a work of art that only someone who practices it can understand.

People. Like, I was telling you about playing paddle and how, like, obsessed I am, and you're. You immediately were like, I'm playing pool 14 hours a week. I don't think people realize, like, how important it is to just have some shit that you enjoy, so important that you're not making money or anything like that. How nice is it? It's like a removal from all, like, this stupid stress chaos of people talking shit. What? The Internet is fabricated. Like, it's great to have a couple hours. Maybe that's what it is.

Like, oh, it centers you. For sure. There's some, like, archery does that for me too. You need something that you're focusing on getting really good at. That's fucking hard. That doesn't give a shit who you are. Doesn't give a shit what your name is. Doesn't give a shit if you sold out Madison Square Garden. Yeah, just. You better put that arrow on that target, or you're a loser. Yeah, you're a loser. Put it in there. And that's. There's absolute truth in pool. There's absolute truth in Archeries. Absolute truth. The arrow either hits the target or it does not. There is no room for charisma. There's no room for. It either gets in there or. Or it does not. And I think things like that, whether it's golf or paddle for you or whatever it is jiu jitsu for some people, you either tap someone or you do not. You either get tapped or you tap them. And there's absolute truth in that. And stuff like that is really good for artists because art is so subjective.

Also successful people. It's nice to have something that humbles you.

Yes.

You know what I mean? Like, people are meeting you all day. They're probably so excited, and, like, they're. They're being versions of their selves around you, you know? Like, do you ever even feel like that? Like. Like, how many people are you having, like, a normal conversation where you're, like, talking shit and they're not going, oh, my God, I'm talking to Joe Rogan right now? Like, is that why, like, is that why being around comedians that you've known for so long is valuable to you? Is that why, like, being around these pool guys that, yes, they know you're Joe. But, like, once you start playing, like, you either suck at pool.

Yeah.

Or you can play, like, is there, like a. Does it, like, bring you back to humanity in some ways?

Oh, for sure. It helps. Yeah. It keeps you humble. Yeah. Jiu jitsu is the best at that because not only are they beating you, they're literally killing you. And you're saying, you just killed me.

Yeah.

Thanks. Don't rip my knee apart. Thanks. Don't. Don't break my arm. Thank you. If you get a guy, gets you in an R bar, man, it is so humiliating.

It's so funny that, like, this is, like. This is such a delicate thing before you die.

Yeah. Well, often you even say it too. Like, sometimes you just say, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. Yeah. You know, like that. That happened one of the last ufcs. A dude was saying, tap, tap, tap. Josh Emmett, when he got caught. He got caught in an arm bar and had a verbally tap. It's you. You get humble.

Yeah.

It's. It's real. It is what it is. And if you don't have anything like that in life, you can like, really have this aversion to losing.

Yeah.

And an. To losing is very fucking dangerous. It's very fucking dangerous. Yeah.

You just get comfy.

Yeah.

Yeah. You need to have something that. You need to have something that scares you. Being scared is good.

Well, it gives you some resilience. It's like if you're a person who sleeps all day and now you have to run a marathon, well, you're not going to be able to. Yeah. Because you never ran.

Yeah.

But if you run all the time, you can run a fucking marathon and it's real relaxing. You know, it's really just how much you put into it. And if you're not a person who's used to losing at anything ever, and then you lose, it's devastating for your whole life.

Yeah. This is like the, you know, if you're like a, like a prince or something like that.

Uh huh. Exactly. You're Joffrey.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And that can happen and you don't build up that resilience. I almost feel like it's. You almost have some empathy for it, you know, because like they never had 20 years, 30 years toiling in obscurity before they got success. So they, we, you know, we at least have something to like look back to on.

Yeah.

And realize how humbling it is, how shitty people can be, etc. Like they never experienced childhood stars.

Childhood stars are all fucked up. There's not. I never met one of them that's got their. You know, some of them are really interesting still. Like Miley, Miley Cyrus. She's really interesting. Yeah, she's very smart and she's really good. Like her, her music is like. She's not trying to be like pop hit girl. She's just trying to express herself. It's like real legit art. But there ain't no way you get that famous that young. You're Hannah Montana when you're a teen and the whole world is cheering for you and you don't get a little crazy because of that. Yeah, I never met one of them that's got their together.

Is that the Britney thing?

Yeah, 100%, man. That's Michael Jackson. He's the best example of it of all time.

I wonder just what responsibility. I wonder what responsibility. Like the people around them have a lot, you know, a lot.

They might not know it while it's happening though.

Yeah. Because it's.

It, it's a little bit of that, but it's not shunned. Like it's still a thing in Hollywood.

What do you mean?

I mean in Hollywood, when, when you have children and your children want to act, people encourage it. They like bring their kids to auditions. They, they call them, you know, whether it's audition moms or, you know, what's the term? Stage moms. That's it. Yeah, stage moms. Like, dude, those Are real, man. I've worked with kids before on a TV show and like I had one of the moms of the kids was like, how does, how does she get more work? What does she need to do? And I was like, I don't know. Like, I don't come from this world. I'm a comedian. I come from a totally different world. I don't, I don't know how you go about doing it, but the mom was like super desperate to get her kid more work. And I was like.

And that's the tricky thing because it's not like merit based like sports in a lot of ways. Like there are people that are good at shit, they're good at acting, etc. But like, like a lot of it is maybe who, you know, what they're willing to do, how uncomfortable a position they're willing to be in.

I think most of that. I think cuz most people at that level especially like little kid acting. Yeah, most people are pretty similar. There's no like one little kid like, oh my God, he's a Marlon Brando of little kids. Yeah, like maybe there's Ricky Schroeder from the Champ. Do you ever see that movie the Champ with Jon Voight? Oh my God, dude. Oh my God. I saw. Was a little kid. I cried my eyes out. It's. It's a rough movie. It's about this boxer who, who dies. Jon Voight dies and his kid is trying to get him to wake up. He's like, wake up Champ. He died in the ring, but it's like crazy. He's crying, you're like, oh my God. It seems so real.

How old's the kid?

I don't know how old Ricky Schroeder was supposed to be in the mood, but he's a kid like nine or something like that.

So imagine being nine, like knowing how to cry on camera.

Q crazy. Some, right?

Like where you.

Yeah, I know.

Accessing that emotional death.

He did that. Then he did Silver spoons. He had this TV show he did like and you know, he was seven. Yeah, God damn. Seven.

Yeah, it's a, it's a fine line because you see some of these parents, not like a stage parent, like yeah.

There he is right there.

Even like it's so sad. You know the, you know the guy who drives for, for Red Bull? Max Verstappen?

Yeah, I've heard his name. Yeah.

Widely. He's like considered the best driver right now. Like despite maybe the car not being elite. He's so elite that he can compete with maybe better cars on the track. And he's already won a bunch of championships, et cetera. But, like, I think his dad was also a driver. And apparently, like, his dad cultivated a next champion. And, like, that was the goal.

Tiger Woodsdom.

But the thing right there is, like, your kid is gonna be born with certain things, and you can. If they have that, like, ambition, that hunger and that resilience, you can give them some tough love and maybe make a champion out of them. But some of them don't. And I think that you could break a kid like that, too. That's the tricky thing, I always think with my daughter is like. And any future kids is. I don't know if I don't have that at this point in my life. I don't have that. I need to make you into something.

Something you shouldn't. I. I just kind of gotta let them be themselves.

Yeah.

Because they all are gonna have. The worst thing is, like, say, if you have a kid and you love baseball and you force your kid to play baseball, you gotta go to baseball practice, and you force your kid to play professionally.

Yep. You know, I was lucky. I was ambitious, and I had parents that just supported the things that I was ambitious about. So if I wanted to hoop, they were like, all right, let's go play basketball. My dad was like, let's go every single day. Whatever you want to do. Like, let's go. But I never felt this light, this stage mom or dad presence where they were. They were going, hey, you missed four shots today. Let's review those shots that you missed, and let's figure out ways that you can't do it right. Like, kind of let me have that on my own.

Yeah.

I don't need you to insert your ambition into me. I feel like that's kind of selfish in a lot of ways.

It is. And it's also. It's like, you got to know when the line is like, maybe they do want advice. Like, maybe they are trying to get better at this thing, but you have to have the kind of communication with your kid. Like, do you. Do you want some help? Let me help you.

Yeah.

You know, like. Like, I can. I can give you some information. Like, say if your kid wanted to. Like, if your kid wanted to do stand up. Yeah. And your kids started doing stand up, and, you know, they're bombing, and you're like, do you want me to talk to you? Do you want to talk to. You want to just work this out on your own? Like, you have to have that Kind of open level of communication with your kids where they can tell you, like, just leave me the alone right now. Okay?

Yeah, just.

I know you bombed, you know, it sucks.

Yeah.

I can tell you about my bombs. I bombed a lot.

Yeah.

I'll tell you what, what I learned. I got better after the bombing. Like, it's like, it sucks, but it's actually good for you.

So you're delicate with your kids.

Yeah. You have to be. I have daughters.

Yeah.

You know, if I had a son, I'd beat the out of him, take him to Jiu Jitsu, make sure that he knows I can kill him with my bare hands.

God, you got daughters, bro.

Maybe.

Maybe we needed Rogan to have that. Maybe that's your destiny, man. Maybe that softens you up a little bit.

It definitely does. It just lets you understand that they're so different the way they are. They're so different. Like, my friends that have sons, they come home, the people are lighting things on fire, they're picking the cat up by its tail. Like, there's.

There's only people who don't have kids that have all these opinions about gender and, like, what you're born as and all this other stuff. And I don't need to get into the whole gender discussion, but, like, I see the way that slightly older girls play with my daughter. So, like, my daughter's, you know, 20 months, right. So the three year olds and four year olds that play with her, they're already kind of like mothering. They're like, patient with her. They're delicate. They'll want to give her a toy if she wants to give it back. They're fine. It's just like this amazing thing that, like, I don't know how maybe they're watching their mom do it to them, etc. But the boys don't give a fuck.

Right. And older boys will convince younger boys to jump off the top bunk in a second.

Yeah, in a second.

Yeah.

My boy Jason got two kids, both boys, and like, like, you could tell if we weren't there. The older kid is going to throw the. The younger kid wherever the hell he wants to throw.

Yeah.

Like, we got to constantly monitor. Yeah. You know, and that's something baked in.

Yeah. Baked in.

Yeah.

Yeah. They're like dogs.

Yeah.

Hey, hey, hey.

That might be generous.

Yeah.

Even dogs would be nice with babies.

Yeah. They're not. Well, they're probably okay with babies, but as soon as you can start walking, you're on your own. They're going to trip you.

Let's dance.

If it's a five year old to a two year old, maybe. But once you get to be three and four, fuck you. Yeah. And, you know, it's also this understanding that you keep getting bigger and like, as, like as time goes on, like the younger ones, like, if someone's picking on you, you can pick on someone younger than you. And like this, especially if you. Like four brothers. Like, the toughest brother is always the youngest brother. Like, if they went through fighters. Yeah. If there's a bunch of fighters and he has three older brothers.

Three older brothers.

No, John, I think is the middle. I think Arthur is the oldest. He just died. Right. Rest in peace. And then John and then Chandler's younger, right? Is that correct? Chandler's the youngest. But big boys, here's the thing. John's the only one who became a legit fighter. But Chandler was always like, I'll fuck John up. Like, he said it publicly. That's how they grow up. You grow up in a household with two super athletes as brothers. Brothers.

I, I just, I, I have empathy for their dad. Like, imagine trying to discipline those three guys when they're like 16, right?

Good luck. Good luck.

I sat next to them when we were at the. No, no, no. They just, they, they're just, it's different.

And their, their grandmother is, John told me, is where the genetics come from.

Oh, really?

He goes, this is my grandma. And he introduced me his grandmother. I'm like, yo, his grandmother, she's big man, big lady.

Yeah. We sat next to them at the, at the spear fight. Ah. And they're all having the best time.

They're just like, yeah, John's always having a good time. Like, he's wearing cowboy hats now.

He's leaning into it. Dude, he's so funny.

He's the sheriff. It's funny how he, like, he's like, you know, they were trying to pressure him to fight Tom Aspinall. Is he gonna fight?

Like, what's the deal? Who knows?

That's part of the fun.

I feel like, you know, he's, he's.

Doing what, a pool hustler?

That's what I was about to say.

Oh, that's what he's doing. Like, I guarantee you, if John really thinks that he's fighting in June, he's already in cake camp.

Oh, so he's making it seem like he's not potential.

I would imagine that John is preparing because, so, like, John has different places to train, you know, he doesn't just train at one place. Yeah, but I Could imagine. It does a lot of weightlifting too. He got a lot of put on a lot of like real muscle mass when he went up to heavyweight.

Yeah.

If John really thinks he's gonna fight Alex Pereira, he's getting ready. Yeah, he's at least getting ready in his mind.

Would it be Alex or do you think it would be really so not. So the tom ship has sailed.

The big. No, it hasn't sailed, but the big money fight is Alex and Jon Jones at the White House. Are you kidding me? Yeah, catch weight. Make it 225. You know, Alex still is the light heavyweight champion. Make it a catch weight fight. You don't have to be for a title. Make it the bad upper edition. You know, you have the BMF belt for 155ers. Who's the real BMF?

Yeah.

You know, do you think one of those guys could beat Alex Pereira? You think you get 155 pounder in there against Alex Pereira? Does Max Holloway survive against Alex Per. No, shut the up.

Max can only beat dc. That's the only heavyweight we need. We need to do a foot like.

Yeah, you see it drop you on your head. You don't want to wrestle that dude.

Never. But like, Max is funny about their relationship.

He's like the kindest, sweetest guy and he's an animal, a full animal when he fights.

That'd be a wild thing, man. That'd be a wild.

The Jon Jones Alex Pereira fight will probably be the biggest fight in human history.

I mean that in the White House.

In. Mmm. But in as a matchup, you got the greatest of all time in Jon Jones and arguably the most destructive striker that's ever competed. Yeah.

No one's like that guy, that uncle live fight.

He was like, fuck you, dude.

I. It was such a. And again, I don't know what's going through Uncle I's head at this moment. Right. But I know what I'm thinking.

Thinking.

I'm like, if I'm on Clive, it's like I outstruck this guy in the first time that they fought. He's going to be cautious.

Yeah.

And I'm going to be able to walk him down. And I remember the second the bell rings, he runs right at him and he throws like, maybe like, like a 1, 2, 1. And I think the. The right is to the body. And you could see Uncle I've go, whoa. I did not expect the first five seconds of this fight to go this way.

He came out hot and closed distance real quick immediately.

And it was a great. Like, it's. It's a testament to, like, somebody had said this before, especially in mma. It's like when somebody gets not nervous or. But. Or, like, when you shake somebody out of their, like, natural instinct, they revert back to what they're most comfortable doing. So it's like if you're like a wrestling guy your whole life, and then you learn how to strike, the second something goes a little bit, you know, out of whack, you're gonna revert back to your wrestling. I think it might have been D.C. that said. I forget exactly who they're saying, but, like, you revert back to what you're most comfortable. D.C. said it. Right? Yeah.

Okay.

And. But I thought the most interesting thing about that fight is the punch that. That Pereira lands that stuns him. Is this looping right? Nobody's training for Pereira's right.

Right. Well, that's what he threw right away. That was the first punch. First was a straight right, but he.

Went to the body.

Yeah. It was long. This is long. Straight right. He started off the fight with.

But when he lands this, like, looping right. That.

It's not that one. It's a little bit after that. So what he did is he set him up and then got his foot in proper position where he could step inside of him. And Uncle Lyles was ready for one thing. And Pereira. Watch this. If you see where he sets it up, a guy did a really good breakdown of it. I'll watch it again. He broke his foot there. Right there.

Yeah. That kick.

He hit the shin and he broke his toe.

Yeah. I think he gets Uncle. I have to switch stances.

Well, he's just putting mad pressure on him. He's put mad pressure on him.

Yeah.

You don't see too often. Coffin.

Yeah. And it's time.

And he just dips in and drops a hammer on him. Here it is. Boom. So he wrestling Ankala, started moving to the right, to Pereira's right when he put pressure on him. And that's why in. Because everybody's scared of the left. The movement with Pereira is don't ever walk to your right because that's walking into his left hook.

Circle away.

So circle away. So their idea was, we're going to circle away, and Pereira was like, I bet you're going to circle away.

Yeah.

And he just stomped him in this.

You could tell he enjoyed it.

Yeah, because he was sick the first fight. He was sick. He was 100% sick. He was sick as a dog. The entire camp.

I didn't know that.

But I also, his coach told me after the fight, like after he just knocked out Uncle I, he goes, let me tell you something. First camp, he was so sick, bro. He was so sick, like he could barely eat.

Really?

Yeah. But I think it's norovirus.

Yeah, that was going around.

And he also up his hand. He had a really badly hurt left hand.

That's the money maker.

And then when you see this, you're like, that's what you get. When you get a fully in shape and healthy Alex, you get stomped.

Yeah, but these guys are never fully healthy. Like anytime. I was just talking to, I believe his name is Paul Hughes. Do you know him? He just fought. It's pfl. He fought.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think he fought Usman.

Usman. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And for the second time, the first fight was like contested. It was a close fight.

If you're a normal med off, if you're, you know, you're in the Khabib camp. Yeah, I mean, come on some.

Yeah, yeah, it's real shit.

But never carry that last name around. It's.

There's a lot of responsibility.

Khabib Nurmagomedov might be like the greatest name in the history of like grappling MMA fighting. Yeah. Like you, you've got Khabib's last name.

Yeah, yeah. If you saw that on a lineup in a Jiu Jitsu tournament or something, you'd be like, nurmagomedov. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You like, you would just have a thousand yard stale, like.

Anyway, like he fought him again and like, you know, he was like, yeah, I was dealing with a bunch of, you know, some, I was dealing with some stuff in campus, but I don't want to make excuses because we're always dealing with and stuff. He was like, always. He was like, he's probably dealing with stuff like that guy. I mean, it was, it was a close fight, but I thought that he came out to the show in Dubai and I was like. And he was like. He was like. He's like, yeah, he's just like really good. He's just like a really good guy. And I thought that I could get him. I think I still can. Maybe happens one day in the future. But I was this honest approach where, where he was basically saying, we're always a little injured. We're fighters like naturally in training camp, you're going to hurt something, you're going to tweak something, something. Now granted, you got neural virus. This is a little bit different Than, like, your, you know, shoulder sore, right? But, like, everybody's dealing with a little 100%.

Look at Conor. He came into that fight with Dustin Poirier with a broken shin already.

Didn't give a fuck.

Well, he just thought, it's not that broken.

Yeah, he's like, dude, Connor is, like, reaching final form, like, as promoted. It's like, he's already so prolific, obviously, as a fighter, et cetera. But, like, watching him do the bkfc, I kind of just want to go to see him hype up fight fights. Like, I want to go to the press conference where he's just like, what was he saying? He's like, and if you don't win, we're firing you on the spot to Mike Perry. And Mike's like, what did I. Why? What did I do? I'm just here getting punched in the face.

He's like, chest bumping the guys who were fighting.

He's not even fighting. He's like. It's like Dana calling out the guy.

Yeah, what are you doing? What are you doing?

What is entertaining? I want to watch one of them bkfc.

I want to know if it's real or if he's really on the most potent Bolivian marching powder. Like the purest of the pure.

Whatever he's on, I need to try it. I mean.

Or is it an act? I mean, maybe he's just duping us all. What is he saying here?

This guy, look at him.

And in front of me, some of the baddest men and women to ever grace planet Earth. This is what we're about here at bare local fighting championship, the alien of combat sport.

And may we rise above the night sky and rain down blows viciously on.

All our deniers and announce here today that Baron Knuckle FC has no love for the big glove. So let's. Let's go Florida and let's announce.

Hold on, let me love for the big love.

We got the greatest promoter of all.

That's what I'm saying. Like, we gotta. I know a lot of people do coke and they're not that entertaining.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's. That's charisma.

You got to have something in you for the coke to bring it out.

That's why they won't let him run for president in Ireland, because it'd be fun. Imagine that, that kind of speech in Ireland, bro. He could be the. He could be the president of Ireland tomorrow, bro. If he wanted to be the president of Ireland, if they let him, let him go on the campaign tour. Yeah, Let him talk like that in front of packed arenas.

Yeah, it's all come on our podcast, Connor. We'll make it happen, bro.

Who else can? Yeah, we control the election. Just the three of us.

That's it. We need to charge more for ads. We need to charge more for ads since we can decide the fate of the free world. Only us, nothing else happening. You know, it's funny. He's like, anything bad happens, it's our fault. And then, like, Trump will, like, stop.

A war in the Middle east and nobody's going.

Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Sean. Thank you, Theo.

Do you think he's stopped for the good? I think that's Fugazi stoppage.

I think that. I think that he stopped. I think he stopped what Israel is doing to Gaza for the time being.

And he got hostages back.

They got hostages back. So it's like. But the way I look at it is, like, I think that you need to give him credit. And I like calling balls and strikes, bro. If he does something I don't like, I'm gonna call it out. And then people get upset at that shit for some reason. They're like, oh, well, but how did you not know this was gonna happen? It's like, oh, my God. Do we not understand that when you vote for somebody, they're gonna do some things that you don't like, and they're gonna do some things that you do like. Again, there's no nuance on the Internet, but I don't think that this is what Bibi Netanyahu wanted. I don't think that. And I think it's what Trump wanted. I think Trump went, I wanna stop it. And you could make arguments for that, like, oh, he wants to get the Nobel Peace Prize or whatever the fuck you wanna say, but he wants to. Wanted it, and he created a situation where Bibi was dependent on him. Trump's more popular in Israel than Bibi. And if Bibi wants reelection, he's got to play nice with Trump.

Really?

100.

Trump is more popular in Israel than Netanyahua.

There was an article in the New Yorker that just said about this. It's like Bibi's. I know, I know. But like. But, like, Bibi's political future is dependent on Trump.

Wow.

100%. So it's like, that's crazy. They create a situation and then he just went around everybody. Like, it's almost like he's better at government over there, where you're dealing with dictators, because he could just say, what do you want? And then they go like, some. Some planes. He goes, all right, we got planes. I'll give you some planes, all right? You do this for me. It's that transaction, and it works on the global stage in that regard. They gotta stop. Now, granted, it's a deal between Trump, Bibi, and Hamas. It could go wrong. Right. But it seems to me the only person that got what they wanted out of it. It's not what Hamas wanted. It's not what Bibi wanted. And Bibi's folks in government, it's what Trump wanted. So I'm like, you got to give credit to her. You know, credit is due, in my personal opinion. It's like, he doesn't. He doesn't want any more bloodshed. He wants to say that he stopped this thing. Let him rally off some dubs.

You see Israel bombed Lebanon today.

Well, you got to stop that one. Yeah, they did.

Where it bombed a weapons depot. Crazy fireball. Oh, my goodness.

All right, well, we got to put a stop to all that.

This was. What is. What. Did they say anything about the target? Jamie, you should see it. You should see the video. It's nuts because it's a munitions place.

Oh. So you get the extra.

Oh, look at that.

Yeah, that's Michael Bay fireball, man.

I mean, that's crazy.

Yeah. Yeah.

And there's a bunch of secondary explosions on the ground. Right. So those secondary explosions are all the munitions going off Hezbollah.

Yeah.

Incident marked the latest strikes and almost unbroken pattern of daily Israel attacks on Lebanese territory since the ceasefire deal was struck in November of 2024. After more than a year, fierce hostilities accumulated in two months of open war.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, man.

Man. Bro. Anyway, it was like your little brother that keeps dragging you into fights.

It's like, bro, come on.

Right? Like, who we beefing with? What are we doing?

Yeah.

But also. Yeah. You really don't want them having all those weapons either.

I don't really know, to be honest with you. But, like, I do think that we're allowed to have an opinion on. There's this idea, like, we're not allowed to opinion. It's like we're funding. We get an opinion on it. Feeling simple.

The idea that we shouldn't have an opinion is ridiculous. You should always have opinions. Your opinions could be uninformed. They're still your opinions. Like, you're allowed to have opinions. You're allowed to have the dumbest opinion in the world. And other people go, that's a really dumb opinion.

Yeah. Yeah.

You're Allowed to have opinions.

Yeah.

This idea that you shouldn't talk about opinions, like, shut the up.

Yeah. This is the whole point. This is why we get to say whatever the we want.

Well, it's like, we're the best thing.

US and Saudi Arabia. Yeah, it's just us in Saudi Arabia, by the way. We're the. We are the best ones, by the way. Yes. Yeah.

What was that experience like going over there, Man?

It was so. It was like, I performed in the Middle east before.

So, like, you've done a bunch of shows.

Yeah. Like, it's just not. Everybody make this big thing, like, oh, my God, it's gonna be so crazy. Blah, blah. I posted my. I told you. I, like, I posted my set because people are saying all this, like, oh, I didn't change anything. And all these comics were doing. I'm like, all right, well, I'll show you. This is what I did. You tell me if I took it easy on them. You tell me if I cared. And people made all this big deal about, like, oh, they made you sign a list of things you can't say. And it's just. Just like, do you really think the fucking king cares about the clowns coming to the festival? Like, you think he really gives a fuck about that shit?

No. Well, he would care if it was humiliating.

It's some middle guy who's like, I don't want to get in trouble. So I'm going to say they do that shit anywhere you go. They did that shit when I was in uae. I didn't fucking look at it. I'll never look at a list once in my life. I'll perform wherever my fans are. I don't give a fuck. Like, that's my take on it. It's like, I'm going to form wherever my fans are. I don't give a fuck what their governments do. I'm going to perform for my fans. Simple. Simple as that. That's what it is. I just happen to have fans over there. There are a lot of guys who, like, can't perform outside of Brooklyn who are like, I would never go. It's like, well, no one was asking you.

Right. No one's inviting you.

Yeah. You also don't have to.

Right.

But it might be different if you got, like, tons of DMS of people going, please come out here. We've been watching your special. We've been doing all these things. You're like, oh, that'd be really awesome to come perform for you guys.

Yeah, but the idea is you're Being paid by a dictator.

Good. My fans get a discount. It's not like they didn't. It's not like they didn't have to pay for the tickets. You know what I mean? Like, there's just a little added on top. Family.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So it is what it is, bro. This comic out there said the funniest. It's up. He said the funniest. Now it's like, yeah, so what do you think about them, you know. You know, chopping up that journalist? He goes, they chopped up one journalist so women can drive?

Oh, no.

I was dying, bro.

I was, bro. We were out there.

It was so funny. That is true.

Like, mbs. That's not true what you said. But yeah, it is true that MBS is.

He's the progressive one.

Yeah.

The other guy, the nbn was a guy who was going to be more conservative. But yeah, so it's like, it's. It was so funny because, like, when we were out there, like, there are chicks driving now, obviously. You know what I mean?

How are they doing?

Well, we got in one accident, two female drivers.

They're new at it, bro.

So it's like we got out the car and you could see the look on their faces, the parts of their faces you could see. And. And you get there just like, damn, man, everybody's going to know. And it was. But it's funny. They said they get the girls all, like, Chinese cars. And I was like, why do they. Why do they drive the Chinese cars? And they're like, it's the cheapest cars. They're just figuring this out, driving.

Like, imagine you're 50 and you just start driving tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

No, they figure that out. But, yeah, it was fun, man.

I don't know.

Like, I don't even know if people care because, like, you see this online and, like, everybody feels like they need an opinion on it. I even see comics going, like, a lot of people have been asking my opinion on. So, like, I need to give your opinion.

Have they really been asking, like, what are you talking.

Nobody's asking a opinion. It's almost to the point. And then I ask, like, any regular people, they're like, they don't really care because they're watching, like, the six best tennis guys perform in Saudi this weekend.

And golfers and race and UFC and boxing and everything.

So it's just like, how much. How much do you. And they just put a billion dollars into, like, a Hollywood movie studio. So I'm I'm like, I'm screenshotting everybody who talks. I'm screenshot because I'm waiting for you to do a movie with it. I'm waiting. I'm petty. I don't forget. You forgive. You know what I mean? You have somebody on your pod who had someone on their pod talking. You're better than me.

Yeah.

You're better than me.

You gotta be able to just let things go.

I can't wait for Gavin Newsome to go on back. Bad Friends. I can't. I, I, I want to see the. I'm distancing myself from the Rogan Sphere tour. First stop, Bad Friends.

That's hilarious.

I thought that was corny. Yeah, I thought it was corny.

Yeah, we talked about that. I don't know. It is what it is.

You're. You're more forgiven.

There's no time that you should. In my mind, no time that you should be spent spending on these kind of conflicts. It's like pointless, wasted energy.

Yeah. But it's fun to talk some.

Well, you know when, when I decided to talk about Marin was after the Theo thing. After Theo kind of went off the rails.

Yeah.

And Theo went off the rails right after Marin put him in his special.

Yeah.

You know.

You know my issue with that joke in the special, it was just like what Twitter says.

Uh huh.

It wasn't even like a creative angle. It was just like literally what every tweet would say, say meanwhile, it's one.

Of the funniest jokes he's ever made. Because it's oppression of a really funny guy.

Exactly. Yeah. You gotta rely on Theo's impression.

Yeah.

Yeah. But yeah, I just, I don't know. Like my, my whole thing with Marin is like. I think that like people outside of comedy have this idea of him, but like everybody inside commie knows he's a piece of and they've known it for years. And like this is not just like us.

No.

You know, like there's a, I mean there's that great like Jon Stewart story about their thing, which is like, I don't even know what people know, but like Jon took that MTV show and Marin like ripped him for how you sell out you pieces. How dare you do it. And then when Jon leaves to go do another show, guess who takes over that same show? Marin. That's who we're dealing with. So it's like, it's one of these things where like inside the game we all know who the pieces of shit are and we just go, ugh. We roll our Eyes.

This is how Mark Maron works. He sees you get successful, he feels bad, so he comes up with a reason why you're bad.

Exactly. And he'll find some, like, intellectualization of it to justify his bad bitterness.

You want to know what he hit me with? With Fear Factor. You're taking jobs away from comedians who would be writing on sitcoms.

How? How What? How?

Because I'm doing a show. So the reality show, which is number one show in the country. Yeah, woulda would have if it didn't exist.

That was a Trump moment right there.

Number one. It was the best. But when the idea was that somehow or another this is stealing, it's a. The dumbest justification. You didn't look at it at all. You didn't, you didn't have any insight. You didn't, like, step back and go, okay, let me reflect on this. It doesn't make any sense because. It doesn't make any sense because those people are doing a job outside of comedy, just like me. I'm doing a job outside of comedy too.

But you can't even give it any credence. It's like the guy, every criticism he has, he's guilty of. Like, he's like, how dare you have presidents on the pod and have fun with them. And it's like, you had Obama before anybody. You started this. You didn't ask Obama anything about fucking drone strikes or whatever. And frankly. And I love Obama. I just want to point that out. Like, I actually really do. And I know there's probably fucked up shit that anybody in power got to do, but, like, I genuinely, I liked him.

I love him as a statesman. I think he was the best statesman we've ever had.

You just felt good.

Yeah.

You just felt good.

I felt like he's a great representative of America, 100% as intelligent and measured as anybody who's ever held the office. Better than any. Like, Clinton when he was young was really good. I think Obama was another level.

Yes. So I think Obama was another level anyway, so. But it's like, yeah, you know, did it. You did the thing. You did the exact same thing. Talk all this about, like, oh, we.

Just had him on recently. Didn't ask him anything.

Of course he did anything.

Like, like, would you have repealed the Smith Mundt Act?

But is that.

No, not. Of course not.

Because we know, because we're inside.

Well, this is the thing. He, like, positions himself as his intellectual, but he doesn't say anything interesting.

Yeah.

There's nothing that guy ever says where I'm like, wow, that's a unique insight. Never ever. It's childish with a good vocabulary.

No, I think he's a, he's a smart guy. I think he's probably smarter than he is funny. I think that drives him crazy.

Yeah, but he's also too obsessed with himself to be reflective enough to understand, like why other people don't like him.

Wait, you're saying the guy who talks by himself for five minutes before the President comes on? 15 minutes. If there wasn't for fast forward, there would be no Marin Pockets.

Yeah, and that was before rant.

Yeah, exactly.

Just the rant. Imagine. And.

But anyway, so it's just like the.

Rant is what killed the show. By the way, if he didn't have the rant, he probably wouldn't be like, bottom 200.

I think, I think better shows came out. And it's just like, that's just the nature. That too.

But it's also like, he's not that good at talking to people. He's not nice.

So I don't know, my whole feeling about it is just like we know, like, we know who the pieces of are in our industry, right? And like we're aware of it because we've seen them from the jump. Like, if I'm sitting down with a comedian, right? And like, this is why I don't fuck with a lot of them is like, if you immediately start talking shit about your co host to me when I'm sitting down with you, like, I, I gotta start questioning your integrity a little bit. It's like, that's your boy. Like, why are you shit talking your boy to me, right? So it's. Yeah, but you saw this. A lot of these guys, man, you saw it, you saw a lot of these guys. You saw. And they, and it's, and it's like, I think a lot of this is just salvation, to be honest with you. Yeah, it's like they see an Internet trend and I think that like, like right now there's this Internet turn, oh, the manosphere, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I think I see guys who you were very generous to, like, you lent your platform, your millions of followers, the biggest show on the planet, help them make tons of money, help them really have success, build their own platforms, and now they see like an Internet trend about like the manosphere, whatever.

And I see guys like trying to create a little separation. I see all of a sudden it's like, yeah, you, you, you, you use this guy to make millions of dollars and get all these fans. And now you See online outrage, and you're like, oh, no, that's them. That's not me. It's like you had no problem being part of the Avengers. You know what I mean? You had no problem being in the photos. You had no problem before. And now you see a little going on. You separate. I feel like that's the moment you double down for your boy. That's the moment you go, I know that person. What people are saying about him isn't real. And you refute that. That's what I would do. I mean, whatever.

There's a lot of cowards out there in the world.

And it's just. They're scared.

They're scared. And this is like a time of real attacks, like in the past, like, say in the 90s or something like that. If you supported Andrew Dice Clay or something like that, you didn't really get any heat. Nobody cared. You could do an interview and you're like, I think Dice is hilarious. You wouldn't, like, lose sponsors. You wouldn't. Nothing would happen. But now there'll be, like, an organized campaign to try to take you out.

Oh, yeah, Whip bots.

Yeah.

Like, people don't even think the bots thing.

You pay for it. You can hire them.

And why. And there's other countries that are involved in that, too. Not to be like, it's not even conspiratorial, but, like, I think a little bit. That's what the comedy festival, the Riyadh thing was a little bit. Probably because it was so peculiar. It's like they're so. They're already so entrenched into, like, our entertainment, and then all of a sudden we went out, and I think sometimes something gets a little bit of buzz, and then people, you know, send the bots to create a little friction or separation.

And then people hop on board.

Exactly. They pile on. They have to. They see the views there.

I had Palmer Luckey on the podcast. I saw it, and he was discussing that. He was discussing these, like, organized campaigns affecting people's minds. Well, it's just that this is part of, like, what China does to keep us at each other's throats. Yeah. It's literally a strategy.

And people are so stupid that they're Gonna let a 30 second TikTok dictate their opinions about the world. Like, they're not fact checking. They're not doing anything about it. Like, and there are people that. That, like, consider themselves journalists that will do it 100%. Like, there's this. This little Nepo baby. He's Like, Kennedy's grandkid or some like that. That was, like, talking all this about. And one thing he said is that, like, Because I called him a nepo baby, because he never had a job. I don't care if your dad. But if you never had a real job, like, you know, like. Like, what the. Why are you telling people who have real jobs what to do and how they should vote and what they should do with their lives? Like, you don't know how much the electoral job. Yeah, you're a child. And. And then he goes, oh, Schultz is married into the Turner dynasty. Like, my wife's maiden name is Turner. He thinks that my wife's family is, like, Turner, Ted Turner. Like, this is a guy who. His job is journalist. He calls himself a journalist. And he couldn't even do the bare minimum rig.

He saw another TikTok that said something that's completely untrue. The Turner dynasty. I mean, it'd be nice. Let's go, Ted. Cough it up if you've been hiding. But, like, this is the level. This is the level of discourse. And then that shit hits TikTok, and then people start repeating things. Like, there's just so much fake shit.

Well, the dumb thing is, you were already rich when you got married. Like, how much.

The dumb thing is not her family.

It's not her family. But even if it was, if you married the child of a rich family, you were already rich. It was stupid. Yeah, it's stupid. Like, this is why I made it. No, no, no, Bitch. He was already famous. Shut the fuck up.

It just. It just doesn't make any sense. And you see these narratives, they take hold, and then they just become reality.

Huh?

And. And it's one of those things, like, you can't fight the Internet.

No.

You know, it's just like, people say things, and then they just become. They, like, just become reality. It's, like, fascinating and, like, I've seen it happen with you. And then I think that there's, like, there's obviously these different levels in comedy, so you don't imagine it happening to yourself, and then you're in it, huh?

Yeah.

And, yeah, it's just wild, man. This is wild. Like. Like, there's. There's this. There's these people who say that. Like, I remember when I bought back the special, and then I. Then I sold it.

Yes.

And then they're like, he sold. And then he put it out on YouTube. It's like, there's literally a video of me going, if you can't afford it, steal it. And if you can't figure out how to steal it, I'll put it up on YouTube. It's like, I can't be more clear, right? But it's a way funnier narrative to be like, oh, this is what happened. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's just like, guys, like, he got.

Your money and then he put it up for free on YouTube and there's more money.

I'm saying steal it if you can't afford it. And then I'm gonna put it up on YouTube in the future. And it's like, what do I do in that situation?

Listen, man, I went to see SpaceX launch on Monday. Jamie and I went down there. We went down to South Texas, watched a rocket launch. It's one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in my life. Life. I got a tour of the SpaceX facility. One of the most impressive things I've ever seen in my life. I sat with Elon in the command studio where they're going over the rocket as it's flying to Australia. We watched it live using Starlink satellites. 60 different cameras of everything, monitoring every single aspect of the internal pressure of the chambers and all these different, different things. And then I was watching a video, someone calling him a wit. I think he's a wit. This guy was like, I think he's a wit. His rockets keep blowing up. Like, the rockets are literally blowing up on purpose because they're testing the parameter. They're testing what are the tolerances of these structures.

Oh, so they're pushing the limit to 100.

He's like, we know we're gonna blow some up, but they, they can produce rockets so much faster than NASA. And you think he's a. But it doesn't matter. It's not real. Like I, I saw comedians.

Yeah, yeah.

Say that he was a Nazi. Yeah, he's a Nazi. Because he said, my heart goes out to you.

Yeah, yeah.

Because he did the thing that they all do.

Right, right, right. It looked crazy.

Look crazy.

It looked crazy, but looks very aggressive. Doing the thing doesn't make you a Nazi.

No.

Believing what Nazis believe makes you a Nazi. Yeah. And I think that's the separation. I think that like once you have, have an idea of somebody, you can't wait to confirm it.

Right.

And the Internet is full of 30 second clips that will confirm whatever you believe.

100.

And they will be sent right to your phone. Like, this is what I've been thinking about recently. It's like, remember when like cigarettes came out or even, like, fast food when we were growing up, was fast food unhealthy? It was just food.

It was just food.

We just ate it as food. This generation knows that it's unhealthy. They don't stop eating it. But at least they're aware, right? They know the nutrition facts. We're about to go through what I think is, like, that with Internet content.

Yes.

If a video gets sent to your phone from an account you don't follow, the immediate reaction should be like, this is a Big Mac. I'll indulge in it, but it's not nutritious.

Right?

Do you know what I mean? Like, there's a reason why it's being sent, right? It's gonna confirm whatever biases I have. It's either gonna scare me or it's gonna make me really happy. There's gonna be this dopamine release, and I think that we need to start realizing that, like, the second I see any video on the Internet, I. And now, outside of peanut butter. Peanut butter. I love, love my man peanut butter. But, like, I'm. I'm immediately skeptical. I'm like, what exactly is happening here? Why is this being sent to me? What is this confirming? Like, that's my immediate reaction. I think that the next generation, at least kids, will definitely look at things like that. I hope.

I think a big factor is podcasts, because we talk about this stuff, and they might not be talking about it with their friends. Their friends might not know. And so when we're talking, like, don't trust everything. You need to understand. A lot of this is outrage farming. They're doing it on purpose, and they're doing it specifically to try to get us at each other's throats. Don't fall into it. Don't be a sucker. Don't be a sucker, you know?

Or there's people that are, like. They're just doing it because they need views and clicks, you know, like, this is. And that's something that I realize is, like, there's this, like. There's this, like, beautiful little time in comedy where, like, you're everybody's hero, right? Because you're the unsung hero. Like, everybody feels like they. They're the only ones that know about you, and they are the only ones that know what you're doing. And, like, everybody's riding, and then you do. Eventually. Some people, if you're lucky enough or fortunate enough to transcend it, where, like, your name can be part of pop culture. And the benefit of that is, like, you get to provide for your family. You get to live your dreams. You get to fucking arenas. It's amazing. There's a negative that we have to put up with. I'm not fucking complaining. It's awesome. But, like, the negative. Negative is your name can be attached to any story. Your pictures attached to any story. Like, bro, I saw there was a video on the Internet where it was, like, Joe Rogan ripping on his guests. And it's a picture of me and you. And I'm like, when the.

Did this happen? I watched the video. We ain't even in it together.

Yeah. All the time.

It's you.

I see that it's you. And, like, what. The guy who was.

Who didn't understand, like, if. If you're born a man or a woman, of course, forget what it was.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's. But it's like that guy's face isn't going to get clicks.

Right.

Me and you homies going at it is going to get. Right.

So it's like farming.

That is the Internet in a microcosm. And I'm not saying that, like, you need to. I'm. I believe, maybe more personal accountability. Like, I'm not saying we should make the Internet change what it is. The Internet's going to be what it is. We just got to be aware of what we're consuming. Don't ban fast food. Just be aware that when you eat a Big Mac, you might not feel as good as when you eat a fucking chicken salad.

It's not healthy, but have fun. You want to watch, like, Colombian assassinations and grainy security video cameras.

Have at it.

Have at it.

I like it, too.

I like to watch. I mean, I look at my phone. It's mostly like assassinations and tits, bro.

It. The amazing thing about it is, like, nobody thinks they have radical thoughts because they're so normalized. Right. By every video confirming your thought.

Right.

So it's like, I used to think, like, lichen feet was unique. You know what I mean?

Right.

I scroll on Instagram for a little bit, and I'm like, we all into this. There's refined cultural people out there.

Yeah.

And I think that's it with every political idea. That's it. With every cultural idea, we are a hundred percent rewarded in what we think. And then people say out loud, and then it becomes, like, a crazy story.

Yes.

Yeah. I honestly, I think that's what happened to a lot of folks with. With Riyadh is that, like, there was a lot of comics that were in that, like stage before pop culture. And they got their first experience of like Internet backlash because they like, like Jessica, curse on Jessica, who's hilarious, like, like literally hilarious.

I've had her on a bunch of times. Lover, lesbian, very funny, Jewish, super nice person.

Apparently crushed out there.

Yeah, I heard you got a standing ovation.

Crushed.

Yeah.

Okay. And like, to me, I'm like, I've maybe made different view of these things. It's like, I think that like western culture is so addictive. Like once you get a taste of this shit, like, this is what you want. And I think there's a version of looking at this thing where like in 10 years later they go, yeah, we need to, we need to have more of this. And we need to have more people making fun of us and we have more people making fun of themselves. And this is beautiful, like cultural exchange that maybe that's like looking through rose colored glasses, but that's how I look at these things.

Yeah.

And I'm going. And then she's like, she's experiencing that backlash because she never has. And I think she goes, I toiled in obscurity for decades being hilarious, but not having a fan base. I finally got one. And then you feel that Internet backlash. You think that's real and you're like, oh my God, I'm gonna lose everything that I've always dreamed. I need to address this. When in reality, if you put your head down for two weeks, goes away, nobody will care.

Yeah.

No, there's a tendency.

That's Chris Rock's quote.

What is he say? I've heard somebody say something similar like that. He says, I thought you told me that. Actually. I thought you said, like, I just don't look at my phone.

Well, I don't, I don't. But Chris's take on it was, wait two weeks before you respond to anything.

Yeah.

And most likely to blow away. If it's still around after two weeks.

Then address, make a comedy special about it.

He waited a year, stewed on that.

He kind of milked it in the best way. Because if you think about it, he got to tour that thing for a year and everybody was showing up to those shows because they're like, oh, I.

Need to say people were filming it though. That was the problem. Like some people pulled out their phone and ruined the fun. Yeah.

But I get why he's like, I might as well tour this. I'm not going to just address it right now.

Let's also cook it, like, make sure that bit is. You got the Right. Seasoning in there. You get that thing over the stove. Make that Sunday sauce baked, baby. Let's go make that ragu. Let's go.

Yeah, it's a. It's a. It's a weird time for comedy, man.

It's a fun time for comedy. Ari Shafir said it best.

What he said.

He said comedy's dangerous again.

Yeah.

This is what Ari loves. He loves chaos. That silly. He loves when things go side. I love chaos too, but not that much. He. He likes when the city burns down because he'll put on a backpack and go to Asia.

Yeah. He gets to just dip. He really.

He dips. He's dipped right now. I don't know where he is. He's hiding somewhere in the world.

Yeah, he'll.

He'll dip for like three, four months. Throws his phone away. He ruins our text message thread because we got to protect our parks. He turned the whole thing green. So I opened up a new text message thread. It's called Fuck Ari. So it's just me and Norman and Shane. It's like he's. He's a legit wild boy. But he said it, right? He said comedy's dangerous again. And it is dangerous. But. But it's only dangerous if you let it be. Like, for people like Jessica. I wish she talked to me. I would have said, don't listen to anybody. Don't read the comments. Fuck those people. What you're doing is. The Lakota people had a term called the heyoka. And a hioka was a special member of society that made fun of everybody. It was an important part of their culture. He made fun of the chief. He made fun of the chief's wife. Wife. He made fun of everyone. And the idea was, if you couldn't mock something that it was. And so he was stress testing all of these different things. So that was a. It was called the sacred clown. That was their definition of what a Hoka is.

This. This is like, built into American culture.

It's like American culture specifically.

It's like why I want Trump to do the. What's that? Little. Like a news dinner.

Yeah. White House press correspond.

It's like, why. I want him to do it because. Because, look, we have a relationship with government in America that from its inception is antagonistic.

Yes.

Right. Like, we fought the war because we're like, you don't get to tell us what to do. And then we set up systems of government that basically stop one person from telling us what to do. And then we have this great thing where Once a year, the guy who's in charge, the most powerful guy, gets humbled in front of all of us. And it's this beautiful thing. Thing that is, like, uniquely American. I know there's somebody right now is in France.

We've been doing this forever.

Shut the fuck up. It, to me, it's uniquely us. It's our thing. And I love the idea of, like, humbling our heroes. It's why roasts work. It's why seeing, like, Tom Brady, whoever it was, like, on the roast, it. And the more powerful, the more successful, the more that they've got. We like that kind of humbling because we have that antagonistic relationship with, you know, the people in charge or even our kids heroes. It's a beautiful fucking thing. And afterwards, we kind of embrace those people even more. We appreciate that you were taken to your knees, if you will, in that moment.

Did you ever see when Jeff Ross and on Comedy Central, they roasted Trump?

Yeah, I've seen, obviously, clips.

He had a conversation with Trump.

What do you say?

He said, hey, when they're going after you, just laugh. You gotta laugh. You gotta smile. If they look over at you and you got a serious look on your face. Yeah, it's not good. He's like, okay, yeah, you're right. He realized. He's like, yeah, you gotta. You gotta.

You gotta let it go.

You gotta let it go.

You gotta let it go.

And you know, that's the White House press correspondence tonight. You gotta be able to let it.

Go, let it go, let it rip. Make fun of them, make fun of everybody, make fun of the press corps. But it's this beautiful, humbling thing.

But the thing about Trump is, like, the White House press correspondence thing is literally why he became president in the first place.

Yeah, I remember that when Obama was.

Like, here's one thing that I am. That you'll never be President of the United States.

I mean, if that's how it works, Trump will never have free health care. You know, you just kind of. You'll never do that. I promise you. Yeah, you'll never stop every war.

Right. That's what you have to do.

Yeah.

You have to challenge them.

But, yeah, I just. I think. I think those things are really important. I just think they're important, like cultural institutions. For us specifically. It doesn't work the same in other places that don't have that kind of antagonistic relationship with government.

Right.

There are places that they just do not have it. Like, they actually have, like, a really grateful and appreciative relationship.

Or their government doesn't have any free speech laws. Like England. Like, what England's going through right now is crazy.

That's the thing I was trying to tell people is, like, when people keep talking about free speech, it's like, stop acting like that's the norm. We're the unique ones.

Yes.

In Canada, they don't have free speech. They have free freedom of expression or something like that.

Yeah, but it's carved out with, like, certain things, like hate crimes or hate. Hate speech. I mean, hate speech is weird because it's very subjective.

Who defines it was hate.

Exactly.

Right. So it's like. And I remember when them truckers were protesting, they were freezing the accounts. Like, there's just. Yeah, it's just a uniquely, you know, American thing, which is amazing. And we need to, like, protect it.

At all costs 100%. And we need to protect it and propagate it through the world. We. And that's why we should get upset when England starts cracking down on free speech, because that's a disease. And if that disease spreads, shreds. And if England falls and also an England is essentially a totalitarian dictatorship. Yeah, if they're a totalitarian dictatorship, we're in real trouble, man.

I don't think we are, but I get what that. I get that logic. Like, I get this idea that, like, things.

No, we aren't right now.

No, no. I mean, like, even I hear what you're saying. Like, and trends do build steam, and then people ask for it and they see other things working. I get that. Like, I think that makes sense, like, functionally in the world. You know what I mean? But. But, like, my. Is, like, I care about American free speech. That's what I go for. I'm an American. I want us to be all good. If the other countries want to get on board with it, all right, get on board with it. That'd be great.

The problem is they bring that over here just like, when people over there. Let me tell you something. In the night, like, 20, 15, 16, when I started talking about college campuses, people like, what are you worried about? These kids on college campuses with these Marxist ideas? I was like, they're going to graduate. Like, I. I'm a. I'm a person who sees, like, where things are moving, which is why I got out of California so early. I was like, I see where this is going. You got to get the fuck out now. This is not good. And I'm like, they're going to get out of this school. They're going to start Working for corporations and it's going to flood the country. They're going to be nonsensical ideas.

They're going positions of power 100%.

100%.

And these corporations are going to bend to whatever, you know, makes them the most money.

Right. Which is why it's dangerous if England goes. If England goes. If England like completely falls. Like they just passed the digital or they're trying to force the digital ID on people. And they arrested 12,000 people for social media posts. And some of them are just critical about the amount of immigration that's coming in. And they're putting them in jail for this.

Yeah.

So if that is a trend and that starts spreading through Europe and they lock those people down because those people don't have guns, they don't have free speech laws, they don't have any of the things that protect us.

Yeah. So you're worried about them in terms of it becoming a trend and then impacting us.

Exactly. Because if it becomes a trend for the entire world and we're the only. And they're like the problem, the consequences of free speech is an unsafe society.

Yeah.

We have to protect the marginalized groups.

Yeah.

You know how that ends? That ends with a military dictatorship. And all those people that help them get into play, all those leftists, they all get killed because they're the people that are going to resist the government having this kind of tyrann power that they helped them get in the first place. That's what Castro did. That's what they all do. They use the leftists to get into positions of power and then once they take over, kill everybody.

You. Okay, that's a fair argument that you're, that you're bringing out how it could impact us.

It's a wolf with a grandma outfit on.

Yeah, yeah.

That's what it is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Big mama's house.

Yeah. It's.

Tyler Perry presents Marxism for Americans. But no, I, I hear that. Cuz I guess my initial thing on initially was like, yo, if you guys want free speech, fight for it. Like we fought for it. Like people shed blood for it. They constantly are fighting for it non stop. You guys go fight for it.

Vote those people out first. Don't.

No, no, no, I don't, I don't mean.

That's what the problem is.

Like saying if I say that then they'll think I meant for like America, like as a, a nation state has, has constantly fought to maintain this thing and went through incredibly difficult times to do it because it's like a core tenet to our belief in our identity. And if other countries want that, they have to put in that same effort through politics. I'm not saying go be violent or anything.

Right. But the way we fought for it was like we've all we banged out. Yeah.

Banged out.

It got rough.

But we're wild boys. That's why I'm not worried about like in like we are the collection of the craziest people on the planet. Planet, bro.

England used to be the wildest on earth. One island took over most of the.

World and now they're just arguing with wigs on. Like, what the happened? Do you know? Like, does this happen every country?

Like, you see the guy with a wig that sentenced the guy to 20 months of custodial service because he was complaining about immigrants. Have you, have you seen that video? No, but it is the craziest video because it's 2025 or 2024 and it's a guy wearing a wig who's sentencing a guy for a 20 month sentence who just made a post criticizing immigrants.

Yeah. Well, what was he saying about the immigrants?

Well, he was talking about these gangs of guys are coming in from the places they bombed the fuck out of. Because that's the real problem.

Be upset at all.

Yeah.

Why would they be worried about it?

Listen, you got to listen to this guy. See if you can find that video of that guy. Because it's him wearing the wig is so crazy. Yeah. And while he's saying something that's so insane. Yeah. In the age of the Internet and it's on Tick tock, bro. Like, this is like, oh, I don't care what they cut out of it. Like just him saying it. I don't care what context it is. He's reading off the guy's tweets.

Yeah.

And then saying because of what you said. Yeah. I have no choice but to sentence you to jail.

Yeah.

People to participate in attacks on a hotel housing asylum seekers. Comments that encouraged was over. Comments that encouraged every man their dog should be smashing the fuck out of Britannia Hotel. The judge quotes one of his parlor posts responding to a user who said if I'm down, if you are a lad. So that he was starting. He still was inciting violence.

Yes. I mean, don't tell people to go hurt.

Your motivation became clear when you informed the police your promoted the idea of attacking the Britannia Hotel as a result of anger and frustration immigration problems in the country. So what was his post though? Oh, this is. You want to say that you do not want your money going to immigrants who rape our kids and get priority. The judge later said the overall effect your post was to incite violence toward the building and therefore towards those in the hotel. It was not only the refugees and asylum seekers who are likely to be affected by your post, but also the hotel manager, the night porters and those who worked within the hotel. That's actually reasonable, that in that case. I see what you're saying. I don't. Yeah, See, incitement to violence is illegal even in America. Right. Like, it's like it's a different thing than just freedom of speech. Yeah. So that's. That is different.

Yeah. You tell people to hurt people.

The guy wearing the wig.

Yeah. It makes it look insane.

It's like, what, what, what, what? Like you have to have a special outfit for me to take you seriously. Because if you're just like a regular guy and you're saying you were inciting violence, violence, and then the guy go, yeah, but do you know what the people in that hotel did? Let me tell you what they've done. Let me tell you. Those, Those cat. They've raped underage girls. They have grooming gangs. They live there. They're getting priority. They're getting paid our money. They're on the dole. Like you could even have a conversation. This guy's yelling out to the abyss on parlor.

Yeah.

Because he doesn't know where else to go. Yeah. And this guy's going, well, the solution to that is, I put you in a cage. Yeah. Yeah. Look at what's on his wig. But it put the. Put the thing on so you can.

Hear this off the tax us hard working people earn when it could be put to better use. Come over here with no work visa, no trade to their name and sit down and doss. And then there's more people being put out homeless. Each year. They get top band priority on housing. You went on to say that you did not want your money going to immigrants who rape our kids and get priority. Although you said that you had no intention of carrying out any act of violence, there can be no doubt that you were inciting others to do so. Otherwise, why post the comment? You expressed remorse, but by that time it was too late. For the offense of publishing written material in order to stir up racial hatred, there are sentencing guidelines which I must and will follow. The maximum sentence is seven years imprisonment. In my judgment, this comes close to harm category one. However, for the purposes of this sentence, I will treat you as falling into category two. Since there was no Direct encouragement towards activity which threatens or endangers life. However, you fall towards the top of category. For a category 2A offense, the starting point is two years imprisonment with a range between one and four years custody in mitigation.

I take into account your plea of guilty, for which you will receive full credit of one third following your earlier admissions. I take account of the contents of the references from your mother, friend and employer. These can only be of limited value in the current circumstances, as can the contents of the presentence report. I take account too of your expression of remorse, your lack of convictions, which are racially aggravated, as is recognized on your behalf. This offense is so significant serious that an immediate custodial sentence is unavoidable. The sentence that I pass has been reduced by one third to reflect your guilty plea. The sentence is one of 20 months imprisonment. In response, this is.

We get it.

This is tricky because the guy did incite violence, but, yeah, you shouldn't be doing it, you know?

Yeah, you shouldn't.

You shouldn't be doing.

I think a lot of people are very naive of what the impact of a post if they're an anonymous person. Yeah, you know, they're very naive of how that's going to be perceived. And, you know, they're just venting. Like they would be venting at the barber shop, right? If they're hanging out the barber shop like those people. Someone should go over there and kick their ass.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People are looking for. People also looking for community. They're looking to feel like, validated in their beliefs.

Like, it also pretty. It is pretty well wild that these people are coming over to Europe and even to America as a direct result of military campaigns. So that.

That's the other thing I found so funny, is that, like, they're not going.

Over there because where they live is.

Awesome and, like, there's reasons why it's not awesome and there needs to be a little accountability for that. Like, I heard even like British comedians, they were like, you know, on you doing the. The Saudi or even, like, shows in the Middle east, and they're like. Like, they employ people at slave wages, et cetera. Build it. And it's just like, guys, I wonder what happened. I wonder what country did something to India back in the day that created a scenario where those people might have to leave their country to get a job to afford to provide food for their whole families back in India. I wonder what country might have plundered India and stripped it of all of its wealth for fucking. I don't Even know how long that created this scenario. Like, you can't just remove yourself from that.

Have you ever read that book about that one corporation?

Yeah. Was it the. That basically that. That turned India into a country? Like a factory, essentially?

Yeah.

Well, what was it? Was that not a God?

I forget the name. I've read the book. A while ago, I saw, like, a.

YouTube video on this.

Well, I should say I listened to it. I listened to the book a while ago. I can't remember the name of the court.

Jamie, you got a whole list down.

It is a crazy story, though. And that's England.

So.

You guys, your ancestor did it. You know, it's. The chickens have come home to roost.

Yeah. It doesn't mean that you have to be okay with it, but you have to at least be understanding of, like, how this scenario was created.

Yeah, yeah. But it's also. Clearly, they're letting them in, and they're letting them in. And the thing is, like, oh, we've got to do something to stop this violence. And now we have. Rise of East India Company. That's it. The anarchy. The relentless rise of the East India Company. Crazy book.

Oh, dude.

And it's all. It's all real.

Like, what Leopold did to the Congo.

Oh, God.

It's like 25 million people.

Oh, God. Yeah. The Congo thing is nuts, man, because a bunch of these settlers thought that they were going to live in the Congo and they set up these beautiful mansions that just swallowed it up.

Yeah, it's amazing.

Yeah.

Just let them know you're not welcome.

One of the truly wild places in the world.

There's still images of these places. These, like, Elizabethan. Is that the type of architecture that are just completely swallowed.

Swallowed by the jungle. And what's crazy is the wildest part of the world is where we need to go to get the minerals to make the batteries in your cell phone.

Maybe that's why it's the wildest.

But no, no, no. It was always wild. It's wild because it's, like, inhospitable. I mean, they have the largest chimpanzees in the world. World there. They have those Bondo apes there in the Congo. This place called Billy. They have this one subset of chimpanzees that's really large, and they call them lion killers. They have two different types of chimps that the locals describe tree beaters and lion killers. Lion killers. They sleep on the ground like gorillas. They don't give a fuck. They don't have to hide in trees. Yeah. Come get me. They're like six foot tall, upright chimpanzees. Like. You know that Michael Crichton book, Congo? Do you ever read he.

They made a movie, Crichton's Jurassic Park.

Yes, Crichton made a movie is kind of a goofy movie about the Congo and the Congo. In the movie there's these like gray chimpanzees that are huge and obviously that's.

Not real, but that's what they're based.

But it's based on this one subset of chimpanzees that actually has a crest on its skull like a gorilla. So you know, gorillas have such large mandible because all they eat is vegetables that they have this. This is the Michael Crichton movie. It was kind of goofy. Look at these big silly gorillas.

Oh, wow.

And they fucked this dude up. They look so bad.

Oh, wow.

But the book is a lot better. But in reality there's a thing called the Bondo ape and there's a. I guess it is a Swedish or Swiss wildlife photographer named Carl Armand who became obsessed with this animal and started catching it in camera traps. And there was photos of these guys at. See if you can find the photo of the guys at the airport where they shot one. So these guys. Look at this. These guys. But that's not it. No, no, no. The one, the one above it. No, no. Yeah, that it. That's it. Look at the size of that thing. Look at the size of that thing. It's like a gorilla sized chimpanzee. And there's different photos of them on camera traps where they're. Holy.

No. Yeah, that's a. That's a.

That's an orang attack, I think.

No.

Or a gorilla. But. But they have video, these things now they know that they're a subset of chimpanzees. That's not a really big one. That's. It looks like it's just a big chimp. But the idea is that this place is like rugged. I mean, this is leopards and like.

Joe, there's a lot of rugged places. I just feel like when there's a place that's resource rich, there's going to be a lot of conflicts around, oh, 100.

Well, that's the Amazon too. Same kind of situation. Like really, really wild, pristine jungle. And then people are hacking it down because they want to make cattle farms and log.

But isn't it to the best interests of the parties that are invested in the resources there for there not to be social cohesion? It's easier to manage if everybody's fighting. Because if there is social cohesion, you have a situation like, what is it? Rhodesia? Which just basically goes, hey, we're going to be a great country, by the way, and we're going to take back our mining rights and we're going to make sure that we own our resources, and then we're going to educate our people, and then we're have a high gdp. Like, there's a pretty amazing story that's tied into it. And, like, we. They're like, okay, well, we can't let that happen in the Congo. We got to keep this a little bit chaotic.

Yes.

Because aren't there, like, especially with the. The battery stuff, aren't there, like, only nine different minds for that? And, like, China owns seven or something?

Something like that. I don't know how many minds there are, but China owns a bunch of them. And, you know, that's Siddharth. Kara wrote a book on it. He came in and he got undercover footage that shows these people with babies on their back pulling cobalt out of the ground with, like, a mask over their face, like a bandana to protect themselves from the toxic fumes.

I'm performing there next week.

I look forward to David Cross's blog about it.

My favorite post. The people were not invited that don't have to even go. But I really wouldn't. It's like, he probably wouldn't.

David probably wouldn't. You know, there's a thing. Yeah. I remember when David Cross wrote a letter to Larry the Cable Guy. He was on Larry the Cable Guy and, like, an open letter. And at the, like, the bottom of the post, it was, like, from New York City. He signed it, like, from New York City.

Like, I saw him. I saw him getting upset that Norman farted on his podcast, the Mark, Norman farted and, like, telling him that a fart isn't funny. And I'm like, once I see you do that, I'm just.

First of all, Norman is funny, period. So if he's funny and he also farts, okay, who cares?

Well, also, farts are funny. And Norman said it. He's like, that wasn't a joke. That was not funny. And the Norman says, a sound came out of my butt. That's always funny. It's funny when a baby does it. It's funny when an adult does it.

It is the funniest dog does it.

What are we talking about here?

Like, obviously, it's funny. It's funny because you're like, oh, no.

And then he just dropped the n Word on the pod and not Norman Cross. And then Norman's like. I was like, you going to cut that out? He's like, no, you don't have to cut it out. It has the H. And it's like, oh, well, thank you, white guy. You tell us what n words we're allowed to say. Yeah. You can tell us where the comedians are not allowed to perform, but you tell. You tell the black community what n words you're allowed to say. Yeah, yeah.

It's kind of hilarious. You know, there's a hard N word in Bob Dylan's Hurry. Hurricane. I got a song, the Hurricane, about Reuben Carter.

I got a little hurricane story you want to hear.

Really?

Yeah.

You met that guy?

No, my. My dad interviewed his lawyer.

Reuben Carter's lawyer.

Yeah.

Really?

And his lawyer says. His lawyer says off the record. My dad goes, yeah. He goes, he did that. But the Lord just tells, my dad.

Just made it all racial.

He did it.

Yeah. That's hilarious.

Who knows? Maybe the Lord's wrong.

Or maybe he's right.

Maybe he's right. Good song.

Didn't they have a movie about it?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah. And in the movie there's like a really racist of kind cop that's like targeting him through the whole movie. And apparently the guy was a total construct.

Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like one cop who was like, really interested. He was chasing him. They used it as a vehicle to push the storyline, which I always think is gross when you're doing something about a historical person. Yeah, I think that's gross.

Yeah.

But if you could also obligation, though, if you're making a movie about a historical person, you. You can't have a character that moves your plot along. That didn't exist. I mean, because now you're changing history for a lot of dumbasses who don't read a book.

I mean, that's what the people, which.

Is most of us.

That's what the people who, you know, dictate what history is. You know, I was talking. I was talking sort of.

But they're just doing it to make the movie better.

Yes, exactly. They're doing it. That's their, their, Their responsibility is to make money.

Yeah.

I was talking to Shane about this and we were just talking about like, like ancient history. He's like, I don't with the ancient history. And I'm like, why not? He goes, nobody really knows what Augustus said to this guy. Like people just making it up and like writing it down afterwards. He's like, you really kind of Barely even know what happened 50 years ago or, like, a hundred years ago. And I think that's one of the reasons why, if you get into, like, antiquity, it's so interesting because it's just been, like, mythologized.

Yeah.

So everything is so much more remarkable and amazing, and the people are so much more resilient because they've been retelling the story for 2000 years. Years. If you want people to listen to that story, you got to make it interesting.

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, you got to make it interesting. And the thing is, also, you have to remember it, and then you have to tell it to people before anybody even figures out how to write things down. So they're saying it for a thousand years before they even write it down. That's my issue with the Bible. I think the Bible is a historical account of something. And I think one of the real problems with the Bible is, is as you get older and older with the Bible, things get weirder and weirder. So it's like, what was the original story? Like, if you get to the Dead Sea Scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls are bananas. And there's stuff in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Like, if you get like. I had rep. Luna, you know, Anna Paulina Luna on the podcast, and she was talking to me about the Book of Enoch. She goes, you ever read that?

And I was like, included in the canonized.

Here's why. Because of rabbis, a bunch of rabbis said it didn't align with the Torah, and so they yanked it out. But it's an original biblical text, or at least a part of the original religious text that they found in the sea. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, in Qumran, when they found those clay tablets, the Book of Enoch was in there as along with the book of Isaiah.

We need to call west.

The Book of Enoch is nuts. I talked to myself about it.

That's the giants.

It's not just the giants. It's aliens. It's about the watchers who came down and mated with human beings. Bro, I'm reading it right now. I know you are.

I already know.

Bananas. It's. She told me to read it, and she was like. She's like, you have to read this. It's nuts.

And what did Westhoft say? Did. He said there's a legitimacy.

Yeah, it's. It's 100% of legitimate text. It's legitimate religious text. But they decided not to include it because it's so nuts and because it goes against, like, what, the writings of the Torah.

Right, right. So.

But it was a few rabbis, just a few rabbis decided like if the book of Enoch was in class, included in the Bible.

Yeah.

It changes the whole story about human.

Race, what goes into the Christian, that kind of power.

They just decided that it doesn't get included in the canon. This is a long time ago, but.

Yeah, I mean, this is like around. Well, who decided the canonized Bible? Right. This is a really Constantine time. Right.

Well, that's for the New Testament. Right. And so with the Old Testament, you've got a. Westhoff would be the guy. Oh, wait a minute.

Enoch was included in the old.

Oh, it's old as.

Okay.

Not only is it old as when they found it, they also found a version of the book of Isaiah. This is one of the things that Wes Huff me. That was really fascinating. They found a version of the Book of Isaiah that is verbatim the same as a version of the version of Isaiah that was a thousand years later, which they thought was the original.

Unbelievable.

That's what's crazy. For 1,000 years they maintained the exact same story verbatim, writing it down and passing it on. And the Book of Enoch's in there with that. And the Book of Enoch is bananas.

Yeah. I think we might need to do a little deep dive on the book of Enoch.

The book of Enoch, Enoch, it says that these watchers came down and mated with human beings and created a race of giants called the Nephilim who consumed and destroyed everything in front of them. Gee, that sounds like people. Yeah, that sounds a lot like people. Yeah. If you got a bunch of little chimps and then you got these tall aliens and they make a seven foot man.

Yeah.

A Viking who's like chopping off heads and lighting villages on fire, has this undesirable, unstoppable desire for conquest. That's humans. The Nephilim sounds like humans, like.

Yeah, exactly. So they're not giants. We are the giants.

And then what if they might have been giants? Like, it's. It's hard to say.

What if the other folks were the Neanderthals? Well, because there was a time where we're living together. Right, right.

Well, they were here before us, allegedly. Well, this is the question is like, where did humans come from? This is the real question. This is a really interesting show on PBS right now called Human, where this lady goes on this journey of. It's like she's. What is her degree in? Is she an anthropologist? I believe she's an anthropologist, but. Or maybe some sort of biologist, but she goes over the history of the human species. It's very interesting, the migration from across the Bering land bridge into North America when the oldest people started coming here, where they. How they came here. Fascinating stuff, but that's one of those things, like, if you think ancient history is filled with horror, like ancient human history, like of the. The humans. That's the woman's name. I don't want to up her name. Ella Al Shamahi. And it's on BBC and pbs. Really good show. I just started watching it. She's a paleontologist. Agree in genetics and taxonomy and biodiversity. But they just found recently a human skull. Skull. That pushes the date of humans back another 500,000 years. Yeah. So it's like all they know is what they find in the fossil record and so little fossil record, and then they keep finding new things.

Yeah.

Like they just found Denis ovens in, like 2010. Like, what's that? What's this total new branch of the human tree? It's called Dennis Denisovans. Denisovans, yeah. They found like a bunch of teeth, I think, in Asia. And they're like, what the is this? And then so. Or maybe it was Russia. So there's that. There's the one that they found in China. The big head people.

Yeah. That's real recent.

That's real recent. I forget what that one's called. We've done this a million times, but I always forget. But so they're always finding these new versions of humans. So how many of them really were there?

But if.

If there's a bunch of science experiments, if aliens are coming down and, like, let's try them where they're short, really powerful, and they only eat meat. And that's Neanderthals. Like, stop.

This one's not.

This is not a good design. We need them a little more frail. So they invent things. Yeah, because the. The brutes don't invent anything.

Yeah, More frontal cortex.

Yeah, the. Well, the Neanderthal. The Neanderthals had bigger brains than us. That's what's interesting.

So then what part of our brain was specifically different?

See, we have a very weird. Our idea of them is that they were dumb and they couldn't talk and that they were brutes. But it doesn't seem like that's true. In fact, it seems like they had art, they definitely had tools, and they had language, and they might have been as smart as us. They were just different. And maybe us being a little weaker is what made us smarter, made us work collectively. Maybe we're a little More alien. Just a touch, right? Oh, there's a little too much salt in that stew. Let's add a touch more of us. And, you know, it seems like the hairy, you know, five foot seven, 200 pound fucking savages with big eyes that might be able to see at night because it looks like they might have had night vision. They have huge eyeballs, right? The Neanderthal eye sockets way bigger than ours. Their skulls thicker, their bones are more dense. They might have had night vision like a dog. You know how dogs, their eyes glow when the headlights hit them. They might have had that same ability.

I mean. Yeah. I don't know why.

That design's too. That design's too sketchy.

It's just not.

They can see at night.

Yeah.

And then they go hunting other people. This is too much.

But then we hunted them.

Maybe we might have just them.

I also heard we them. You had that joke, right? You're like, I got a little bit of.

Yeah, one more time with the monkeys.

But in terms of like, the stories, like, all right, you know when a comic gets off stage and like, they think they killed but they bombed, Right? Like, there could be people telling those stories in the books. There could be, like, meaning what their rendition of what happened is in the book, and that is what they truly believed happened. They might not even be delusional. I mean, they are delusional, but, like, that's what they saw and that's what happened to them.

And history is always written by the winner. Exactly. Yeah. My version of the Bible story, back in the day, I used to have this bit about Noah's Ark. I was like, the problem with the Bible is people are full of shit and that story sucks.

Yeah.

Like, it's that simple. Like, people lie all the time. I've never met any politician or any person who's in charge of anything that's, like, really important that I would say never lies. So if you're back, then where there's zero accountability, zero video, zero anything, they can't even write well, that's where the.

Cross referencing makes sense, right? It's like, that's when you got a bunch of different people saying the same thing or similar things, you start to go, okay, maybe this, this did happen. But I don't know. There's something. There is something about it, you know, like every time I go to church and like, whatever, something about the music, I get, like, emotional and I. I've tried to, like, reflect on and understand, like, what it is. I don't know if it's like, seeing people submit to. To this power that's greater than them. I don't. There's just, like. I get this really emotional about it. I don't know what the hell it is.

Well, it's a combined shared experience that you're having with all the people that are in that building, too. Yeah. There's something to that.

And I'm just, like, watching. Yeah. Like, maybe it's like, maybe I'm a little cynical and skeptical and, like, I can get caught up in the raw emotion of submitting to something that you cannot control. And maybe there's a part of me that. That really kind of like, envies that and wants to. In the same way that, like.

Because you have a lot of control.

I don't know if I have any, but, like.

No, you do. You have a lot of discipline.

Yes.

Yeah. But a person like yourself, there's a lot of discipline and a lot of work ethic that doesn't come without control over yourself.

Yes.

And you want to submit and give in to something sometimes.

And there's something beautiful in that. And, like, seeing people do it so willingly, like, I get emotional. It's. Yeah, it's. And, yeah, I. I've. I've thought about it a lot. I don't know what it is, but it happens almost every time. And specifically with the music.

Yeah. Well, I think music is a very powerful thing. I mean, that's when we were playing what Up Gangsta? I mean, come on, man. Like, we were both on a drug, dude.

There's a.

Your whole body starts moving. You're like, oh, come on.

I was talking to this guy, he's a photographer for F1. He's been doing for, like, 30 years. And he, you know, he's been to. He literally takes off one race a year to go to, like, this music festival. He just loves music. And, like, I asked him if he saw Oasis because, you know, Oasis is back and you're a fan of Oasis.

Yeah, love them.

And what's so interesting is happening, like, with. With Oasis specifically, is right now we don't live in, like, the monoculture anymore, you know, like, there's a thousand different silos. And everybody thinks that, like, the thing happening in their world is the most most important thing. There's no, like, universal new rock star. Like, Justin Bieber might have been, like, the last person that was, like, a musician that everybody knows. There's a K pop band that none of us can name the guys that is the biggest band in the world. Exactly. But, like, back in the Day, especially when we were growing up, there were bands that were just Metallica, like, performing in Russia, you know, like, these things were just kind of. There was a monoculture, and then the Internet has divided that, and that just is what it is. But what's kind of interesting is I feel like people are. The people who did experience monoculture. They're going back to these, like, nostalgic events. It's like, why existing IP movies are the only movies that work right. It's like they want to feel those moments when we all were experiencing the same thing at the same time.

And, like, I'm seeing these, like, Oasis clips. Like, all my boy. I was in Australia, but all my boys went to go see Oasis. And, like, there's a really interesting thing. The lead single, I guess, is it Noel or Liam is the lead singer. I'm such, like, a casual. Doesn't matter. Like, he's just wearing a tracksuit. Like, he's just wearing, like. Like the mother. And, like, to me, I'm like, that's the most rock star shit. Wearing the big flamboyant thing was Rockstar when everybody was wearing suits. But now that everybody is big flamboyant, just showing up in a hoodie to your fucking stadium show, it just lets you know, like, I'll do whatever.

This is gonna be the day when we're gonna throw it Back to you.

100,000 people at the same time.

Waving.

Yeah. I don't know. I like.

Oh, my God. What a song. For real. We're that good.

We're that good.

So what do we have to do? Cut that part out? Yeah, let's cut that part. We were just singing an Oasis song. Unfortunately, you can't hear it because of tyranny.

Tyranny.

Fast. Fascism.

But it's. I don't know, like, I love comics.

Throwing out that word, too. That's a funny one. Throwing out fascism.

Nobody even knows what that fucking word means. That's the most annoying thing. Nobody knows the definition of that shit.

There's a few people online that are like, political debaters that know the definition of that word. But what it is is, like, you're bad.

That's it.

Yeah, you're bad.

You're an asshole. I'm gonna call you an asshole.

Or bad.

Yeah. And I want to sound smart when I'm calling you an asshole. I disagree with the things that you're doing. So I'm gonna use this word that neither of us really know the definition, definition of. Because if you call me a fascist, I can't really say I'm not because I don't know what the fuck that is.

Well, that's the problem with, like, things like antifa. Well, of course you're anti fascist.

Yeah. It's a pretty good thing.

Yeah, it's like the Patriot Act. We all patriot. Take my rights. Of course I'm a patriot. Take away my rights.

It's like every time Pastor Obama, like, pushes a bill, that's like the don't hurt women bill.

Yes.

You know, but all it is is like tax incentives for some group.

And now why Trump is so ridiculous. The big beautiful bill.

It's just like everything is marked.

Like, why would.

You're going to be too big. It's beautiful. It's big. But that's the. That's the political game, man.

It's a stupid game, bro. It is. It is a stupid game. To base your entire personality and identity about that is. That's the weird part.

And people do.

Yeah. Oh, it's everything people do. And they're in a life or death struggle every four years. Like, settle down.

Because it's a 07 sum game. Power is a zero sum game. Right. It's just like, if I think that this person is going to completely change my life and completely strip me of everything I have, anybody that supports that person and that person are completely evil.

Right.

And then once you think someone's evil, you can do anything to them.

Right. Well, the people that have an argument about that are Mexican immigrants, especially the children of Mexican immigrants who maybe their family, maybe they're illegal because they were born here, but their parents aren't. And they're realizing their parents might get kicked out. Like, that's scary.

It's fucked up.

That's.

Yeah, I don't like the stuff at all.

It's not just bad, it's bad for them. And I don't know how they don't realize that this is the worst look ever.

It's. It's also a bad look for ice.

Yeah.

Like, ICE itself is a very important institution.

Yeah.

Like, you want to make sure that you have a government program that can enforce the borders and also, like, remove people that are here illegally, especially people that are doing criminal activity. Like, this is an institution that we shouldn't malign. This is one that we should be proud of. This is a good thing. But then when every video coming out is, like, seeing these people being, like, torn their families and all this kind of stuff, it's like, yeah, you're gonna have a lot of animosity towards these Groups. I know we're having this conversation right now. There's already people getting a video. Well, this is what you guys wanted. And this is like, no, one of the things I actually talked to Trump about is like, how can we not do this? Like, what can we do? How do we have these people who've been living here for fucking 10 years, years, they're paying taxes. Like, why don't we give them a pathway to citizenship? And I specifically was like, yo, you own hotels. You've employed these people, right? You know they're good people, right? Like, if you, like, work entertainers, like, we work in restaurants.

You know what I mean? Like, we know we work with these people. And you see them grinding, like, I don't know. Yeah, that's a very frustrating thing.

I think their problem with it is multifaceted. But I think one of the issues is the way the census works. Because the way the census works, you get congressional seats based on the amount of people that live in an area, regardless of whether or not those people are citizens. So. Yeah. And that nuts. So if you have import. So you could say, if you import.

How do you prove that they're there then if they're illegal?

Because they get not. The census doesn't check to see your legality. It just counts the number of people that live in a residence.

But how do you count it? Like, they have to fill the census out, right? Why would they fill it out if they're here, illegal.

That's a good question. But they know. They know based on employment. They know. It's like there's a bunch of different points of data that they get it from. That's a good question. But the point is, it doesn't matter if they're illegal. So if you fill out a sentence and you're illegal, it doesn't matter. It just matters how many people are in this area. And that dictates how many congressional seats.

You get, so you can award a bunch of people.

Also, if you encourage these people to fill out the census because it's politically beneficial to your party, right? Especially if you help those people get in.

That's.

So if you invited them into this country, actually flew them out to that place, put them up in hotels, that kind of deal, then you can get more congressional seats because you have more human beings.

So that's the argument. Like a lot of people chalk it up to, they're giving these people voting rights. And it's like, no, that's not what's happening. They're actually increasing the amount of Representatives you could have in a certain.

They are. But then we went over this yesterday in Tim Walsh's state in Minnesota, they actually passed a law where they give them driver's licenses and they could use those driver's licenses to vote. It's not legal, but someone could break the law and do it with those driver's licenses. The problem is they know that some people have, there definitely have been instances where illegal aliens have voted for whatever election, right? So the question is, is, did they move them there for congressional seats? Did they move them there for cheap labor? Did they move them there? Because if they, they pay for these people and give them ABT cards and then eventually they devise a pathway to citizenship if they get like a Democrat in, in four years. We have to take care of our community. Regardless of whether you, if you're a good person, a hardworking person, we want you to join Team America. And that's how I feel. That's how I feel. And so then all, all of a sudden those people who you gave, got in, gave EBT cards, put them up in the Roosevelt. Now those people are voting, right?

And obviously they're going to vote for the people who have protected them and 100%, and I wouldn't blame them for.

That at all, especially now. This is why it's politically dangerous for the Republicans because this support of ICE and seeing that, that you just lost the whole Latino base, right? Except the hardcore Cubans don't give a fuck.

Yeah, get the fuck out of here.

We ain't voting Democrat.

That was the joke I had is like the second they put the their foot on dry land, they're like, we got to stop this immigration.

This is, this is too much guys.

This is too much.

Especially from communist countries. Get the out of here with those ideas. They've experienced communism and that's why they embrace materialism. Cubans love Cuban links. Big ass gold chains to let a know I got some cheddar. Yeah, right. Like cuz in their country like you get what they give you and that's it.

I heard, I heard a good quote. You, you know, you know Carlos Slim is, you've heard of Carlos Slim? He's like a telecommunication magnet. He's the wealthiest guy to Mexico, but.

They are all over the world.

He's like, you know, super billionaire and apparently, you know, this is a secondhand but like he's this guy who, I don't know what he looks like, but I'm aware of his name. He's incredibly powerful, incredibly successful.

What a great name.

Carlos. Amazing, right? And sounds like a pool player, right?

It sounds like he's related to I. Iceberg, the guy who wrote the.

I know, yeah. Yeah.

He wrote a book on Pippin.

That book is terrifying. Like, I was like, how do I make sure these guys don't meet my wife? It's fucking horrifying, that book. But. But, yeah, he had an interesting thing about. Like, I'm always impressed by these guys who have all this power, but they don't want any of the limelight. Like, I don't know what he looks like, but I know the name, and I know he's involved in everything.

Yeah.

And apparently he said something like, like, even billionaires can be new to money. Implying that, like, a lot of the guys that we see, we hear the guys that are all over the place, like, they're new to this, and they, on some level, want it to be known that they got it right. And the people who've maybe done it for, you know, legacy generations, they're like, you actually get yourself in more trouble the more people know.

Over.

Sure. Right. But it's hard to, like, be broke and then get some money and not want to flex it.

Well, even if you don't want to flex it, if you just have it. Like, if you're Jeff Bezos, you're out in the middle of the Caribbean, you know, with Lauren Sanchez chilling on a yacht. There's someone with a drone taking photos of you.

I mean, you also do your wedding in Venice. Like, you want to flex it.

That was flexing.

You want to flex it.

That was her bet. Yeah, she was like, I want a big.

Oh, wait, you don't think Jeff wanted to do his second wedding in Venice.

With a bunch of celebrities? Invite everybody. Famous person on earth, the Kardashian show, three times.

You don't think he wanted that?

Yeah, hilarious.

But that's what happens, bro. So the wedding is. The wife's is, Right.

You kind of got to go, too. You're like, damn, got to do your own.

Oh, I thought you talking about Jeff going to his own wedding.

Oh, yeah, that too.

Yeah, exactly. Do I have to go? This feels like your thing. Are you sure? I have to do it.

I have to support you in this venture. Yeah, yeah, you like, if you get invited to that and you're like, one of their friends, you're like, oh, great. Yeah, fly to Venice and be a part of the zoo.

See, that's how you. That's like. That's how, like, kind of we would feel about it, but there are Certain people who are like. I think they almost define themselves by those invitations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For what? I think I define myself being able to miss the wedding.

Well, there's also a thing that we actually make stuff ourselves rather than have to get hired to go make us stuff. You know, like, you'll do a movie occasionally if you want to, but you make your own comedy, you make your own podcast, you make your own stuff. When you're an actor and you don't make your own stuff and you gotta appear in other people's stuff, there's a whole different layer of bullshit that you have to dance with.

There's a reliance.

Yeah, there's a reliance. And then there's also, like, a currency of being current, you know, and hot. Yep, yep, yep. You got to be a part of that. Yeah. And that's when. You know, one of the things you see about comics that lash out at people. It's like, Marin's a good example. This is like, once you've got no currency, that's when you start lashing out.

Yeah.

Because you got to get attention some way. Yeah. And you're not getting it through your art. So what's the. What's the way to get it? You have to figure out some way to be current. So find out what is current. Current and then shit all over it. And get the people who. Who think Elon's a fuckwit. He's a fuckwit. Yeah. Get those people and they're like, yeah, fuck Schultz. Yeah, fuck Rogan. Fuck everybody. But yeah.

Yeah, I mean, that's the. That's gotta be the worst thing is, like, to be a comic that only gets attention when you talk about comedy.

Right.

Like, you want to get attention from your jokes. You want people to like you for the fun.

You want to have a really interesting point that nobody else thought of. Yeah.

Hilarious. Or something stupid and silly. That's hilarious. Like, that's what we love.

Right.

And, like, that's what you actually really want. But, like, when the only reason anybody's talking about you is because you're shitting on your colleagues.

Right. Like, that's what's bothering you in the world.

But I think. I think that's what happened with just the whole, like, what's happening right now with the comedy economy is, like, I think people are feeling. I think. I think young comics are probably feeling a little bit, like, concerned that they don't know the way forward.

Right. They also don't know whether or not they're being forced to Participate in these pylons or whether they should back off. And then they get pressure and they don't know what to do. I got young guys and young women a lot more slack than I do the OGs, these people that have been around for a long time. You should know what it's like to be attacked. And you should know that this is not fair. It's not cool. And you also should, if you have an opinion on what these people are doing with whatever, whether it's Riyadh or have some kind of compassion for these people as human beings and as colleagues, leagues, and be charitable. Be charitable. That's what I try to do. I try to be very charitable when I talk about anybody that I'm not, like, in a. Like a real serious. Like a Marc Baron type thing with. Yeah, that guy. I'm like, fuck you. Yeah, you're. You're a problem.

But he made his bed.

Yeah, he made his. Well, he made his bed. And the Theo thing just really drove me crazy, because Theo is the sweetest fucking human being. I. I love him to death. You think that Mary wants to be.

Talking about another comedian?

Like, do you think that the thing is, that's. You remember when comics would. All they talk about is, like, airline seats and travel. It's because that's all they knew because they were on the road.

On the road constantly.

Because that's all they think about. That's all he thinks about is other people doing better than him. So that's what he wants are going.

To be about it.

Where's your thoughts on Gaza?

Oh, I haven't heard him say anything about that one.

Kind of weird.

Yeah.

There was some crazy estimate. The actual Official tallies, like, 67,000 people. People dead.

But it's gonna be more than that.

Oh, there's Stephen Dozinger. Had a thing on his page where there's some human rights group that estimates it to be as high as 400,000.

Yeah. Because I don't think they count missing as dead yet.

No, I mean, there's no way. There's no way they know. You look at all that rubble and. Bro. Okay, so there's that. But then there's also what Hamas is doing right now.

Yeah.

In. In Gaza, which is crazy. Executions and tortures of people that they think collaborated with Israel.

Yeah. Horrific. Horrific.

Me and Tommy Segura have a. A text thread that we go back and forth with. Literally the worst we find every day. It's like a trauma thread. And I sent him one.

Just needs to feel something, huh? He just needs to feel.

That's why I said these things.

You got to show him the worst ever. He's like, all right, I am human.

Yeah. I sent him one. He was like, that one was rough. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. They were breaking this guy's bones. Boulders. They had this guy blindfolded, and he was sitting down, and they took this enormous rock and threw it on his shin and snapped his shin in half. And this guy's screaming, and then they take his arm and they stretch his arm out. This guy hits it with his giant back, crushes his arm. No.

It's horrific.

It is so crazy what they're doing. And they're doing it on, you know, Samsung 4K video on a cell phone.

And kids can see it.

Anybody can see it. My kids saw the Charlie Kirk assassination, bro. You know, it's like, I didn't want to see it. And then I have. Someone sent it to me. I think Tom sent it to me, actually.

Yeah.

And I'm like, all right, let me see. And I watched. I was like, oh, God.

But that's. Yeah, that's the. That's the tricky thing right now is because I think that, like, as far as we've been comedians, there's been, like, a clear path of how to make it. It didn't mean that it was accessible to everybody, but, like, when you're growing up, I'm sure it's like, get an HBO special when I'm coming up. It was hbo, and then it transitioned to come on the Joe Rogan podcast, and that was the thing. And did it mean every single comedian that came on here became a millionaire? No, but a lot fucking did.

You gotta look.

You gotta look. You got an audience that was interested and curious and, like, if you were.

Legit, if you were Shane Gillis, if you were you. If you were Ari Shafir, whatever it was, you popped off 100 of people, right?

And we saw it, like, instantaneously. It was like, you come on, and then your podcast would go number one afterwards. Like, you remember this, right? And it was like, okay. So then comics were like, okay, wow. There's a pathway forward. And then, like, the clip economy and the YouTube specials and these things start happening. Then people like, okay, I do that. That's how I go popping. Then Kill Tony erupts, and it's like, oh, shit. If I can get a spot on Kill Tony, then I can make it.

Yeah.

And I think that, like, now people are going, okay, okay, I. I might not be the Right. Fit for Kill Tony. Because the character based things really explode more than like say a traditional comic. It's like, okay, I don't do that. It's like, I don't know how I can even get on Joe. And if I do get on Joe, can I be on enough for the audience? We'll see. I put a YouTube special out, but like, it seems like there's hundreds of YouTube specials out. So it's like, I don't know if that's gonna be the thing to break me. So I think that the younger comics are kind of experiencing this thing where they're like, I don't know, the pathway for forward and someone's going to invent some shit, someone's going to do the thing that I did, that you did, where you just try something new and then it catches on and fucking, that dominates what it is. But like, I think they're in this, this period where they're like, I don't know what to do. And when you don't know what to do and you're not where you want to be, that's where I think the bitterness starts to come out.

Well, you also don't know what the path forward is and if it's ever going to arrive for you or if you're just going to be like on the outside forever.

So you're toiling in obscurity and, and then you're just. And then you start to feel resentful, then you start to feel angry. Before you might feel resentful and angry, but you're like, you know what, there might be a chance Joe could see me. He'll bring me on his podcast and then I can have all this success. And it's like, so I do empathize with that like anger, but the knee jerk reaction to just shit on everything and try to on the scene and like on Austin or like on these things, I, I don't think they realize that that's not going to get them any closer. It will get, get them like immediate attention. A bunch of their comedian friends around them are going to click and like, and do these things. But it's not going to be that long term, sustained career. You don't build a fan base by going, I don't like that place.

You also alienate the newest scene in the world.

You alienate people who actually help you. This is the thing.

You also, you're making a fake version of what the scene is too.

But that, I mean, that's the Internet, right?

It's like, that's the crazy thing, it's like, you have to have an N word joke. You have to, you know, you have to go on and have a trans joke. And this is. Is just the same thing. It's be. You know, the problem is it's a walled garden. Austin is a walled garden. Like, if you're on the outside, you see all these people having so much fun in the garden. You're like, you. I can't even. I'm not even in there. Those people. It's not. It's not. But it's an appearance of a walled garden.

Exactly. And then I think that there's, like, people on another level up, we were saying earlier, that are, like, seeing these, like, people talk about it, and they're getting concerned that it could, like, negatively impact them in a way.

Way.

So they're doing this. Like, it's. It's the most. They're, like, trying to create a little distance. Not too much where they can't call you and say, hey, I got a pocket.

Oh, you mean.

Yeah, like, not too much. Where it's like, oh, I'd like to come on your pot, but I'll have a guy who's gonna on you for the whole episode and not give you pushback. It's like. And it's not just him. Like, I've seen other people do it, and it's just like, dude, dude, dude, you're gonna go through some cancel shit later. All these guys, they're gonna go through some later, and they had a guy that they could call that would bring them on the biggest platform. Platform the world and let them explain themselves, have their back. Like, you will do it.

I would still do that with Santino.

Of course you would. That's your boy. That's your boy.

I love him.

He's a amazing hang. That was a bad move. That was a bad move. In my opinion.

He felt like, look, Mark is irrelevant. He's yelling these things out. Like, let him rant. Everyone's gonna know what he's doing. But I don't think everybody on the outside, they don't. Because they don't know comedy. They don't know business.

And it looks like you're co signing it all, and it looks like that you're okay with this. And, like, I'm fine with you having him on. Like, I would have Marin on, but we're gonna go at it. Like, calls him out. Akash calls him out every single episode. He's just like, come on, you. Let's talk.

You ain't shit.

Yeah. So it's like, it's like. But it's like, yeah, but also defend your boy. And that's also important because at, at, at a baseline, people don't want to see people abandon their friends at like a baseline human thing. Right. Even if you got your friends back when he's going through some shit, even if you disagree with that person did like baseline human, you go, yeah, I kind of that guy as a friend.

There was a video of Trump on Letterman. When I think it's Letterman, I'm pretty sure it's Letterman. Trump. When Mike Tyson got convicted and bro, it was like the most unpopular opinion in the world. He goes, I think his attorneys were terrible. They had the worst defense I've ever heard in my life. This girl came up to his room at 1am they said she was dancing. A few hours later, she was hanging out with people, having a good time. Time. She came over, took off her panty shield in the, in his bathroom. Like. And she'd also accused someone of rape. That wasn't, was unjustly accused of rape.

So she's done it before.

She had done the same thing before. You know, I don't know what the happened there.

No.

But that was his boy. And he defended his boy, said, look, we don't know, we don't know what happened. And he said it on a letter.

B. I respect that.

And he was like, whoa. And a lot of people in the comments did too. Like, wow.

And Tyson got his back. You know that.

Yeah.

Decades later.

Always has.

Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's a different. I don't know, to me, I'm like, I thought this is normal. Like, I thought this is because you're a man.

That's the thing. There's a lot of these people that are like a salamander that's never gone through its final developmental changes and they're, they, they're stuck in like an adolescent stage of evolution forever. Yeah, there's, there's, there's men that are like that, but that, you know, I don't know.

And maybe it's because I like no guys like you and like Sharp Charlemagne who, like, I see them going through shit and I see people like will try to like get me to talk to. It's like, it ain't gonna happen. Yeah. Like, I know these people as human beings, you know, a 30 second TikTok of them. So if you want to have that conversation, we're gonna have it. But like, you're not gonna like the way it goes because these people are My friends, like real friends.

Right?

Not like colleagues. There are people who we're colleagues with.

Right.

But like my real friends. You guys are at my wedding. Right? And you've been in my wedding. Like, my wedding wasn't like a comedy hangout.

Right.

It was people who I am close to. You know what I mean?

Like, by the way, it's like one of the only weddings I've ever been.

And I respected that. Took a COVID test. Took a Kobe test.

You were so upset about it too.

You're like, here.

You're like, I'm free of it. I was already over. Well, that. I don't even know if I had been. I don't think you got beginning of being canceled about the coveted stuff. I was like, it was just starting.

Yeah. Can I pee real quick?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's peek. We're back.

We're back.

When Tony got into it, when the first one with the. The Asian thing, when he got into that, people didn't know the. He was totally. Not always. He set up. People don't know the full context of it. This guy did this whole set of like. It was like real bad comedy. And it was, why do you hate Asians? Everybody hates Asians. And so Tony gets up and makes fun of him for being Chinese. Afterwards, they take that. They run with it. Tony, fortunately, had a video of that guy set and released it along with his full set. Where you see, this is just what he does. He's just around and then he kills. He kills for the entire set. And he released that. And then the cancelation basically died off. But when he was going through it, man, I. I was really worried about him. Like, genuinely worried about him. He thought his life was over. He had never experienced anything like that before.

Yeah.

And then I took him with me to Salt Lake City. And it was only, God, I guess a week and a half. He took off one weekend. We did a show in Houston. And he's like, I just. I don't think I can go on stage. I just take this weekend off. I'm pay you anyway. I go, I'll pay you. Just relax. And then we'll do Salt Lake City, right? I just, just, just. I know you're going through it. Just. So then he went on stage one night, the Vulcan. He's like, dude, I think I could do. I'm back. Come back. And so then people didn't know that he was going to be with me in Salt Lake City. So we're in the back of the room and I announce the opening Act. And I said, ladies and gentlemen, one of my best friends, Tony Hinchcliff. And they went, yeah. They stood up, arms raised, like, yeah. It was. Part of it was because I was supporting him. He was going through it. It was public, was in the middle of everything. And he went up and destroyed the love that he got from those people.

And then he went and just ran with it. And he had material on it. He was already talking about it. And it's just. It was beautiful. But it was beautiful to watch him realize, like, oh, I'm going to be okay.

The Internet is not reality.

Right.

And he had that moment in real time, but he also had you having his back. Like, that's the. And I think people see that also. Like, I think there's people in the crowd to see that. And I think on a primal level, they go, man, if I got caught up in some. I would really like it if my friend had my back.

Yeah.

If people were saying things about me that my friends know were false and they use their platforms to talk or, you know, put me on or whatever it is, I think deep down, viscerally, they go, oh, that's a good guy.

You gotta try to, like, help people, Nick. You know, I tried to get Steve Rennese on when that 911 stuff happened, and he decided to go on Stern instead.

Yeah.

And I was like, okay. But, yeah, I'm telling you, if I have you on, I can navigate it a little more compassionately. But I don't think at the time he understood where podcasts were versus where Stern was at the time. Yeah, Stern was still Stern in his eyes, but it wasn't Stern in terms of, like, the reach.

Yeah.

And even if it was, he's not gonna handle you the same way I'm gonna handle you.

Yeah.

Like, I'm gonna give you all the room in the world to express yourself, and I'm gonna be as charitable as possible, and I'm gonna put myself in a position where I could imagine if I made up a story and then I got stuck with it, like, oh, no. You know? And what is the way forward with that? Well, I guess the way forward he eventually had to address it and talk about it on stage. And, you know, but you. You can help people. You could really. It really does work. If you have a platform and someone's going through something, like, you really can save their. Their world.

You can.

You can. Especially if you show that you have support and you love them and you talk about it and talk about what a great person they are. Like, Tony's one of my favorite people ever.

It's only great, man. And like I. He has this massive thing and naturally we want to pick at the people that are incredibly successful. It's just like human nature. Taylor Swift gets it. You know what I mean?

Like, bro, here's the thing. Kill Tony wasn't that big back then. That's no problem.

No, back then, I'm saying even now.

Yeah, but now, well, well, the thing is the second cancelation, like after he did the Puerto Rico thing. Yeah, the Puerto Rico thing, he was already ready. He's like, I've been through this storm before. I'm just gonna tie down these sales, ride this motherfucker out. But if he hadn't been through that, that would have been even more devastating because then you're getting canceled by CNN and New York Times and you know, they had stories pre written ready to go blaming the loss of Trump on Tony Hinchcliffe.

And then the Latino vote went up he 15%.

He said Tony said the first night he slept was the night that I endorsed Trump. For real?

Yeah.

And he literally said, dude, that was the first night. He goes, I think it's going to be okay now.

Wow.

Which is crazy because that's part of the reasons why I did it.

We got to protect Tony. Yeah, you didn't even need to. The Puerto Ricans were like, we got this.

Yeah, well Puerto Ricans take a joke better than anybody on the planet. That is a great talking community. They talk shit to each other.

It's actually in New York. They're not going to be censored by anything. Now what I would have told zoning like what I said to him is like, I wish you had told me like what the set is because like New Yorkers have this idea of Puerto Rico as this like beautiful Caribbean island. It's like our first vacation in New York. When we go to a fancy place, it's Puerto Rico. So I think when he was connecting it to the, the, the island of garbage, which I knew where he's going, there was like a island of garbage floating in the Atlantic or.

No, it's the Pacific.

Right.

Garbage pack.

So it was actually bringing it to something that was a popular story like a year or two ago. But New Yorkers don't know what the is floating. You know what I mean? Like we're just like, yo, Puerto Rico's. So I think that they were just like, oh, that was weird. We don't see Puerto Rico in that way.

Well, you know, not necessary because that joke murders when he did it at Madison Square Garden when he's opening for me.

Oh, really?

Fucking murdered.

Okay, fair enough.

Murdered. Because it's just a joke.

The thing is, it's just a joke.

But it's also Puerto Rico. Rico, if you don't know, has a massive garbage problem because they have a landfill issue because they don't have much land. Fucking tourists coming over there with their fucking water bottles. I mean, and they got a huge hole in the ground that's overflowing with trash.

At the end of the day, it's a joke.

It's a joke.

It's a joke, but it's not a joke.

He should have done there.

That's the thing.

If he was running that joke by me, I'd be like, no, it's not the one.

That's what I'm saying. Or there's a different place that you could use that might.

I told him not to do it, period.

Yeah.

I was like, there's no upside to this. This is a. It's not going to be a comedy crowd. And meanwhile, he goes on after some guy has got this crazy, we're going to take back America.

That's the thing. Even doing comedy in that environment is, like, the trickiest thing. And, like, I do think, like, in general, like, us just having politicians on and, like, even going to the rally. It's like. I think what's happened is that we've politicized ourselves and, like, we've brought ourselves into the game of politics. Politics. Which is the ugliest game. Yeah, like, it is the ugliest game because it's that zero sum we were saying earlier. It's just like, this is. People really believe it's life or death, huh? Dude, I was pushing my. My daughter in a stroller, right? And a lady goes, hey, this is in New York. She goes, hey, didn't you have Trump on your podcast? And I was like, I already know what's going. I'm like. I'm like, yeah, yeah, he was on the podcast. And she's like, well, I hope your daughter has a good life. I'm like, you live in Tribeca. You know what I mean? Like. Like, what do you think is happening over here? Your husband works for Goldman. You know what I mean? What do you think he's voting for? But, like, that type of vitriolic hate to a stranger on the street.

What'd you say to her?

I said, I go. I go, oh, do you have a daughter? Because she just looked lonely, and I really wanted her to be like, no. And then I was just gonna look lower the boom. And then she was like, yeah, I have two. And I was like, okay, well, I hope they have good lives.

She out crowd work me.

Yeah. But I was like, so, like, I was, like, in shock. Like, I'm like, with. Like, there's a. With a child. Like, why are you talking to me in the street?

Like, I saw a video of a lady getting out of a cyber truck in New Jersey, and some woman yelled at her, you racist. You racist. She's like, like, what? Yeah, somebody just gave me a ride.

It was an Uber.

No, she was. Got a ride from. Somebody had a cyber truck. She got out of the car. Oh, yeah. And you know. And some lady started calling her a racist.

Yeah. Out of nowhere, there's insane people.

Oh, yeah.

There's like. And so.

And they've always been here.

Always been here. And they're even more rooted in their insanity because it's rewarded every time they go on their phone.

Yes.

Like, their crazy opinions are just like, yeah, you're right about that opinion. Here's evidence.

Evidence.

Yeah. 30 seconds at a time.

And they're dumb, so they don't realize what it's doing to them. So they're on that all day long, getting aggravated.

And they're desperate for community. Their whole identity is this community. God forbid they have a dissenting opinion. All of a sudden, that community is going to ostracize them.

Yeah.

It's literally what happened to, like, Ezra. Like, Ezra's actually trying to have real conversations. Like, he believes in what Democrats can do and think that they're the best for government. And he's like, how can we make this happen? And then there are people that would be, like, his biggest supporters. The second he moves a little bit away, it's. I can't believe he's turned into a right wing grifter. They're calling Ezra Klein a right wing grifter.

Yeah. Or Elon Musk a fuckwit. Yeah. It's the same thing. You're never gonna make everybody happy. And as your profile increases, the number of ignorant people that are paying attention and commenting on you increase.

Yes, it is.

And so it's.

That's a great point. Yeah. It's like the percentage doesn't change, but the amount changes drastically because you have so many more people watching.

Well, especially if there's an event. Like if you had Trump on the podcast, that's the event. And then ignorant people just start yapping out their opinion. And I want them to have opinions. I think it's a beautiful thing.

I'll never tell anybody not to say anything, but, like, the funniest thing about the Trump party is that, like, initially it was Kamala's campaign and the Democrats, like, loving the interview because Trump said that thing. It was a really fascinating thing that happened because both sides were going, oh, this is awesome. And I was like, holy shit, what did he say? He goes. He says one of the funniest things ever. He goes. He goes, I'm basically an honest person. And then he says it to me and I just laugh because I'm like, that's it. I laugh for a few reasons. Like, one, I laugh because it's a hilarious thing to say.

It's very funny.

But two, it's like actually the most honest thing to say. Like, if I'm deconstructing it, it's like anybody who goes, I've never told a lie. You're like, you're a fucking liar. You just told one. But saying you're basically honest is like, Yeah, I pretty much mostly tell the truth.

Yeah.

You know, sometimes I say Melania looks skinnier than she does. You know, whatever the.

Whatever it is.

But, like, it's. I don't know, it was just the funniest thing or.

The Epstein files is a hoax, bro.

The fucking Epstein thing is just nothing but a hoax. It's just. It's just I. I don't even understand. I don't get it. I don't get it. It's. It is the easiest political victory, like, if you. If you just.

It is, but it isn't. Here's the thing.

Yeah.

I'm not supporting anything. Just be really clear, ladies and gentlemen. But if you are, are. If you have relationships with all these insanely wealthy people that are going to be hurt by this, impacted by this, like, this is the ultimate political football. Because I don't know what the numbers are. I don't know who the people are, but I've heard things, and if those things are true, you're dealing with some of the most powerful people in the world, some of the wealthiest people.

They gotta get in the world. They gotta to go down.

Yeah, well, it depends on what they did, right? It's like, did you go over there and have sex with a 24 year old and do coke? Or did you go, totally fine, right? Or did you go over that? But here, she want that out.

I would want that out if, like.

Yeah, but you wouldn't want that out because, like, how do you. You're. You're connected to pedophilia. What? No matter what Epstein's is, she was 24.

And then someone's going to go, well, did you idea? And you're like, well, no, I didn't idea.

Did you see underage girls? Were you there? Are you complicit?

So you don't want to even be around it, right?

Well, you can't be around it. I mean, the guy 100% had sexual relationships with underage girls, at least in Florida. Convicted and convicted. Yeah. And so that. And you knew that when you were meeting him. That's the Bill Gates thing. That's the craziest.

Not only Bill Gates, the Stephanopoulos guy, Like a bunch of them went over there.

A lot of people went over there. A lot of scientists went over there. And I think those guys thought they were going over there for this beautiful place where you can go, go. This guy's donating money to science. You're hanging out with movie stars. This intellectual discourse. So tell me about string theory. Well, it's really fascinating. One things we've learned. And you're having cocktails, like, this place is great. And then you can get your dick sucked.

It's like a Diddy party for nerds.

Exactly.

And a lot of people went to those parties.

Yeah. I don't want to say Hasan Ahmad's joke. I want to say joke. I don't want to ruin his job.

Shout out to the son man.

Hassan's great. He's got a great joke that compares it to. To Diddy.

He's filming a special soon.

Yes, he is. I'm very excited for him this weekend.

Oh, really?

So this coming upcoming weekend at the mothership.

No, no.

It's like a black rabbit.

Black rabbit. So make sure you guys go check that out.

He is great.

And he.

That guy works hard. I've known him since he was a doorman at the Comedy Store.

Yeah. Yeah. Him and Derek do the. The Solid show together.

Yep.

So I got to know Hasan.

No, it sounds great, man.

They have a great partner.

Super smart dude, too. But yeah, that's very interesting guy. Great green room hang.

That's. Yep. That's the other thing. It's like just being able to hang. Just being able to hang is like, people think about, like, oh, what are all these competitive advantages? How do you do this? That the other. It's just like, can you hang out? Can you sit down on a couch? And can we bust balls?

Are we fun?

It's that easy.

Yeah. Are you fun? Are you easy? Do you. Are you a happy person? You good to get a little with. Yeah, that makes it so easy. Yeah, it's like. It's like simple things that you learn in high school, you know?

Have you ever experienced where, like, there's a guy who's a fun hanging. You haven't seen him on stage yet and you're like, I hope he's funny. Yeah, because I like hanging with you.

Oh, there's some bad examples of that. At the Comedy Store, I saw someone set. I was like, oh, no, I can't be friends with you. Like, this is too. Fitzsimmons and I were laughing about that once we saw this person go on stage. And then afterwards, we went into the back park parking lot and Greg's like, well, I can't be friends with them anymore.

Greg cracks me. The up dude is Greg from Boston. He's a boss.

We started out together, like, within a week of each other. Yeah, I've been friends with that dude for, like, 35 years, maybe more.

Yeah, Greg is. Greg's still in LA, right?

Yes, unfortunately, dude.

Greg was there when I. I did some. Like, I did. So it was like a halfway house show or something like that. I don't know. I was just at the store and they. And they just asked me, do you want to pop up on this one? And it was like, is it Greg was Joey? And I was like, yeah, sure, I'll go do it. And I did it. And I was doing these. Like, I did some down syndrome. It was kind of like, long, to be honest with you.

Oh, that was the down syndrome group.

I had no clue because they told me half house. So I was like, oh, it's guys who are like drug addicts, alcoholics. And I did like a long bit about it and it didn't grow great. Like, everything was kind of good up until that moment. And then it kind of went. Went south. And I was like, oh, that was weird. And I. And I get on stage and Joey's like, waiting there. Or Greg, I forget which was whether they're like, what the hell are you doing? And I was like, I don't know. Like, I thought it was going well, and then it just kind of tanked. He's like, yeah, because it's all of them. They're out there. This is like a charity show or a benefit for it.

Yeah.

So you got to let me know that.

Yeah, you should let people know that. I had a very similar thing happen. I had a bit about how, like, there's certain words that are offensive, but wouldn't it be better if instead Instead of, like banning these words, if like, the government issued like, tags, like hunting tags, like, you get five a year. He's got to know when to use them, you know? And these people were just, this is fascism.

Government quotas.

But I would be like, you do not want to go outside on December 31st when all the tags are going down because everybody place got three extra tags they gotta use.

We gotta use them.

Yeah.

Can't let these things go away. They don't roll over.

But I did it there and people like, oh. I was like, what? Yeah, what's wrong? And then afterwards, they told me, I was like, how about a heads up?

Wait, you did it also?

Yes.

How many of these benefits?

It takes a lot of money.

Fair enough.

You know? Yeah, it's an education thing, but I up too. Same thing. Then I was like, oh, oh, why didn't you tell me?

I felt something in there. I felt it, bro. I felt it. It was like. It just went. And the look was like, does he not know? I think they thought that. I didn't. They didn't. I don't think they thought I was being edgy.

They thought you didn't know.

They were like, oh, he doesn't know.

Right, right, right.

You know, so they're like.

They have a sour. Like, oh, no, he doesn't know.

It's like if somebody was talking to someone in the crowd before and everybody knows about that person, right? And then you're doing something completely unrelated, and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah. He doesn't know that. Like, she just lost her husband. Yeah, I'm just doing my five minute widow bit. Yeah, yeah, but that's the fun stuff. Yeah, that's what. That's what Charlemagne loves. He's just so. He's like, at his core, he's like a real, like, comedian at his core, like, to the point, like, he. He'll love bomb. He, like, walks watching people bomb. He, like, really likes that. He think it's. I think it's like a full emotion to him. And so at the end of the. The show in rehab, we brought Alex Media, who's on the show, and he had to do one joke in front of everybody. And, like, the joke is pretty good. Alex, a black dude, and he's like, you know, it's cool to be here. You know, I'll be honest. Like, I see these outfits and it's the only time I'm surrounded by guys in. In white sheets that I don't feel like they're gonna kill me or something. Like, that like some little cutesy joke.

And then Charlemagne goes, nah, bro. They're treating you like the autistic kid that gets it going in the forest. Quarter the ball boy for that joke, wasn't it, bro? He's like, they think that you have autism, and they're giving you a shot at the end of the season.

That's funny. That's funny. Yeah, he's a funny dude. There's a lot of funny people that don't get into comedy. It's interesting. I've known quite a few that are like, man, you're really a comedian and you never really got after it. You know, there's a bunch of people like that. I used to work for a guy who was a private investigator, was the funniest fucking dude I had ever been around in my life. And I was trying to be a comedian at the time. I was an open micr. I was 21. And his name was Dick Dolan. Dave Dolan, rather. He called. He called himself Dynamite Dickless Dave Dolan. That was his name. He said, whenever I have a mess, I have a phone that I kept. It's an iPhone, like, 10 or some shit like that. And I kept that phone just because I have a voicemail on there for him before he died. Yeah, he's like, Joe Rogan. It's Dynamite Dickless Dave Dolan. How you doing, buddy? And like, he was just a funny dude. He was hilarious. And I would. We would catch mostly people that were doing insurance fraud.

Oh. As a.

He was a private investigator. And I. I worked for him and the way I worked as a PI. Yeah. Yeah. I was looking for a job and different things to do to make money while I was doing stand up. Yeah. And he had this ad for. It was private investigator investigators assistant. I was like, ooh, that sounds exciting. Really, what it was is he had lost his license drunk driving, and he needed someone to drive his car around because he still had to work. And so I met him, and he was friend. Or his cousin was Bill Downs, who owned the Comedy Connection. So he was relay. Like, we did Rhode Island. We hit it. No, it was in Boston at the time.

Oh.

And then it eventually went to Faneuil hall, and then now it's the Wilbur Theater. But that was Bill Blumen. Wright eventually bought it from them. But Bill. Bill Downs and Paul Barkley were the original owners of the Comedy Connection. And so I. And I was like, how are you not a comedian? Like, you're the funniest fucking guy I know. He was. He's not interested. He was just funny. But he would, like. We would, like, catch people doing stuff. Most of it is like insurance fraud. But we'd have to, like, wait for them in front of their house at like 4 o' clock in the morning for them to get up and have, like a fake job where they were, like, pretending to be disabled. I've hurt my back at work, but really they were roofing somewhere and we would catch them and.

Right.

And. And so we would be just in the car, just me and him, we were just talking shit. And he was. I would be crying and I. I remember I was dating this girl and I went over her place afterwards. I was like, this guy is so much funnier than me and he has no desire to be a comedian. Yeah, it's. It's like. It's weird. Like, he's a. A natural comic.

Just.

Just funny all the time, you know, had this. I don't give a. I'm never getting married, you know, he, like. He always cheated on his girlfriends. Didn't care. He let them know, like, I'm not. He acted like a drunk even when he was sober. Yeah. Yeah. Even when he was sober. He was like. He kept that whole we're on a bender mentality. He just was sober. Yeah. And rode that right into the rocks. Rode that boat right into the shore, God bless him. And then died.

God bless him.

Yeah. He was a fun dude, man. Like, one of the most fun people I've ever been friends with in my life.

Some of the most naturally funny people, I think aren't comedians.

Yes.

A lot in the hang. And it's a different eye. Like when you got to do it on stage, there's different expectations and it changes things. But, like, just in the hang. Yeah. They're just. They're almost like, unaware. They're funny.

Right.

They're not even trying to make you laugh.

Right.

You know, it's just kind of. Yeah. It's like effortless to them.

And some of them, you know, that do try to do comedy like that, never figure out how to translate it, which is really weird, I think.

I think it's a. It's almost too easy for them in conversation. So they don't do the work to transition it to stage or they have.

This idea of what they're supposed to be on stage, and it's very different than who they are when they're with their friends.

That's the first thing I tell, like, young comics that ask for advice. I just go, how are you funniest around the people you're most comfortable with. Like, are you telling stories? Are you self deprecating? Are you kind of roasting like the people you're most comfortable with? How are you funny? And that I think is like the easiest way to access like your voice or whatever we call it. And then just add 10 years of trying to figure that out. Yeah, but like, you're right. Some people like try to put on a cadence of what they think a stand up will about, talk about. And it's normal in the beginning, like you're just trying to figure this out.

You sound like a tell.

Exactly. Like in New York, everybody sound like a tell. Yeah. Like when I was coming up, a tell was even the way that they would do act out sounds. It was all versions of a tell. And like naturally you're going to gravitate to the best guy.

Right.

And what he's doing. I'm sure like in la, everybody was trying to be Dane or something like that.

A bunch of guys are trying to be Chappelle. Chappelle.

Yeah. And it's like, yeah, that, that makes sense.

Patrice would say that you're his babies. He's got a. I got a bunch of babies out there.

Oh. I mean, I was a baby of Patrice for sure. Like I remember seeing him and just going like, oh, my God. This is, this is the highest form.

Joey Diaz was the best example of a guy who one day figured it out. Joey Diaz was the funniest guy in the parking lot. The funniest. The funniest guy in the hang. If you were in the back bar. He was the funniest. He was holding court. Everybody was dying. We're falling on the ground laughing. When he would get on stage, he would try to be a comedian.

Yeah.

He would try to like set up Punchline, tell a joke. I got a little joke for you. And then one day he gave up. He gave up on being cast in movies. He gave up on the dream of having a sitcom. And he got real fat. Like when I first met Joey was built like a linebacker. He was a tank. And he's fresh out of jail. You know, it was a different Joe Jail Beef. He was Scary Joey. And Scary Joey gave in to Fat Joey. And then Mitzi Shore started calling him Fat Baby. And that's all she would put him on as the, on the, the lineup. It wouldn't be Joey Diaz, it would be Fat Baby. She wanted to call him Fat Baby.

Oh.

So he would lean into this.

She had this idea of changing his name to Fat Baby.

Yeah.

You know she named people, right? She named Carlos Mencia.

What do you mean?

She came up with that name?

That's not his real name.

No, it's not his real name. His name is Ned. It's like Ned Wholeness or something like that. She came up with the idea of him having that name. Yeah, that was part of the whole video of me, like, exposing him.

Yeah.

I was like, you're not even Mexican. And the Mexicans, the crowd were like, what?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's. He's close.

Honduran. Yeah, yeah. Half German, half Honduran. But whatever it is, the thing is, Mitzi named him.

Yeah.

And so Mitzi would name people.

Yeah.

And she wanted to name Joey Fat Baby. And so the old lineups, I got some old lineups from the Comedy Store and one of them, it says Fat Baby.

I love it, I love it.

But when he got fat, dude.

Yeah, he.

When he started not giving a fuck and he would go on stage, all this. I mean, all of a sudden he went from not having good sets, you know, to kind of maybe was a pretty good set to destroy. Liberating, destroy. He was free. Yeah, he got free and he became the guy on stage that he was in the back. It was also around the time where marijuana, medical marijuana started, started like, really popping off in LA. So Joey was on like 500 milligram Sheba juice. Just obliterated, Obliterated. And dosing people on his podcast. He was just a full on maniac and the absolute best guy to take on the road with you. There was no one better. You take him on the road with you, you guarantee you were having a party everywhere you go. It was a party at dinner, it's a party. Hanging out at the hotel after, afterwards, it's a party. Joey Diaz is there, we're having fun, and, you know, and he just figured out how to be that guy on stage. And then he became Joey Diaz. Yeah, but it was like everybody watched it happen. Like, whoa. I never seen anybody just figure it out like that.

Where, like, you went from being a 4 or a 5 to a 10 immediately to attend, where people are lining up in the back of the room going, what the, man? Holy.

Did something happen? Like, did something happen culturally where what he was doing was refreshing too, or do you really think he just changed?

He figured it out. He just figured. He just didn't. He stopped. I stopped giving a. Yeah, I stopped giving a. About those people. Yeah, I was worried about those people. You're gonna give me a job. I wanna.

I want a job.

I was a convict.

Yeah.

I had to be careful.

Yeah.

You know, and then all of a sudden, he's like, these people ain't giving me these people.

Yeah.

You know, and that was, like, right around the time, ironically, that he did the Longest Yard. So he got started getting movies, started getting all kinds of things, because it always happened because he didn't give a fuck anymore. And all sudden, he was just so funny.

Yeah.

That was undeniable.

And then when you're undeniable, all those opportunities pop up. That's the other thing. It's like, I think there's, I sometimes I hear comics talk about, like, the importance of networking, and I'm like, it's so easy to network when you're funny.

Yeah.

Like, once you're funny, people want to talk talk to you. Like, once they admire what you're doing on that stage, they want to hang out. The people that are not funny now, you gotta hang out every single second and network.

But the worst is the networking. People that aren't funny, that are always trying to get work. And you're like, hey, if I wanted to give you work, I would ask. Yeah. Like, you're, you're doing the wrong kind of work. You're doing the network work and not doing the why not funny enough work.

Yeah.

What's missing? Why, why do I not have an audience? Like, why do people not want to go see me again? Like, what is that?

Yeah, I mean, yeah, they will see you again if you give them a good show.

If you give them a good show. But if you don't, there's a lot of comedy out there, kids.

There is a lot of comedy.

A lot of comedy out there. Yeah.

I don't know. That's why, like, I, I, I'm, like, kind of strict on. You just got to give them something new every time you go in. Like, I feel strongly about it because it's like, if they see the same thing twice, and I'm talking about when I'm going out on a tour to a new.

Yeah. To a new market.

Yeah.

A market that you've been to. Yeah. It's very important.

It's expensive.

Yeah.

Like, it's, it's not cheap to go out to a show.

Right.

Like, so if they're getting a babysitter, they're doing the whole thing, and then they see the thing they saw before. It's like, maybe they have a good time, but there's a little part of them they feel maybe take advantage of in some way.

Well, some of them, they'll want to see bits again. Like, that's like the Hot Pockets thing with Gaffigan, but I feel like they want to see that and a bunch of other stuff.

Yes. Like, if you give them 45 of just new heat that they haven't heard before, and then at the end, you.

Tell the machine story.

They. They love it.

Yeah.

And then you get to live in the nostalgia of it. You get to take your friend that you told this story to, or this joke. It's so funny. I hope he does it. And then you get to watch them experience it.

Yeah.

It's like sharing a clip with them on Instagram and just watching them laugh.

Right.

So you get to experience that, but like the whole hour. Nah, you gotta have something. Like, we gotta. We gotta. We gotta get. At least for me, I'm like, that is. That's why I take time off.

I'm like, well, that's the difference between comedy and music. Right?

That's why music. I don't want your new shit.

Right? Stop with the new songs. Rolling Stones, Imagine.

Oasis is doing a whole new album. You know what I mean? Like, you could go, here's a new one. But I need to hear the hits, right? And that. Yeah, music just has so much more, like such a great shelf life. It's just if a song is hot.

There'S such a self life. They have cover bands and we want to watch them. Yeah, yeah.

Remember, anytime in la, there was a cover band for what the was. Was some 80s cover. I don't know, they were just playing like, all these, like, fun little 80s hits. And it was a thing that it would, like, sell out. Like, people would go to one of these venues and they go and they enjoy and they dress up in stupid 80s. It became almost like, what is that music? What is that? That movie that people would go see in the East Village? Rocky Horror Picture Show. Remember that? Like, you're almost like part of the performance in a way. Like, you're leaning into this, this. This costumization of what's happening.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I don't know.

It's a different art form, obviously, but that's the beautiful things. Like some. Something could go down today, you know, and then you can go on stage with it tonight, and everybody's like, oh.

That'S actually I. I almost, like, don't like it when there's nothing to talk about initially.

Right.

Like, I would rather like the thing, a new thing. We talk about it for at least a minute and then we're on the Same page. Because the first minute of comedy, like, it is an odd thing. I'm on a stage, you're all sitting.

Yeah.

I'm gonna talk as if we're having a conversation. But you're not really allowed to talk.

Right.

A minute in, we forget that.

Right.

You know, it's like you're watching Top Gun or something, and you're like, I'm real. This is real. And I'm in the movie. But that first minute. But what's great is when there is some sort of controversy or some big news story, and, like, everybody's thinking about it, they're going, is he going to talk about it? Like, I'm sure anytime you went through something and the first time you hit the stage, you can feel them.

Yeah.

Like, waiting for you to address it.

Yeah, that's to me. Yeah. Oh, that's the best. That's the best. Yeah, that's the best. Well, that was Tony after, you know, his cancelation. Like, he. He went in hot and he. He. His bits tightened up, too, because he knew couldn't have any fat in him.

Because now people are waiting for you to fail.

Yeah. They want you to fall in your face.

Yeah, I think that's a good. I think that's good to have.

Oh, yeah.

You shouldn't get comfy.

Oh, yeah, it's real good. You need some haters. Yeah.

It's motivation.

Yeah.

I'm gonna make this shit so sharp that you're gonna have to make. You're gonna have to say something else.

Or not or, you know, look stupid.

Yeah. But they're never gonna not say something. But they'll be like, oh, but it's this, but it's that, but it's like, you're not gonna talk about the thing that we all have care about.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

There's one thing we all care about, bro. Paddle.

You're so addicted. I saw your bag. I was like, what's in the bag?

I'm going after. I'm playing with your boy after this.

Who are you playing with?

Woody Harrelson is, like, big into it.

Oh, yeah, he is.

And so we're going to go play. I think he's like, you know, building a club out here.

What's he building, a paddle club?

Yeah, I think where he's invested in one of the clubs.

Oh, wow. That's amazing.

People get upset. Yeah. It's like golf in that way. Like, people just get obsessed with it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You got to pick the things that you get obsessed with, though. You can't have Too many of those things.

I know. Because our wives won't allow it.

Yeah. Also, life is just. You only have so much time. Unfortunately, my things take a lot of time. Like pool one Takes a lot of time.

Being in the forest.

Yeah, it takes a lot of time.

It takes a week. Yeah. I love when I text you, like, out of the blue, and I just get a picture of you in, like, a fox. Foxhole. Just be like, this sweaty, grainy picture.

I sent you a picture of me hunting pigs. Yeah. Yeah. I was in a ground blind.

That's it. Yeah, I'm in a ground blind right now. Yeah. And you're still talking.

Yeah, I had cell phone service talking while I was waiting for pigs to come out.

Where was it?

That was in Texas.

It was in Texas.

Yeah. That was out here, man. Yeah. Yeah.

You need to get rid of them, right? Aren't they, like.

Oh, yeah, they're a real problem. I got a lease where me and a bunch of buddies have a lease on this big piece of hunting land.

Yeah.

And we go out out there and, you know, it's. You literally have to kill pigs and you turn them into sausage. And then I give it to my boys, I bring it down to the mothership. I. I brought them coolers of elk beat the other night.

Yeah.

And everybody's, like, grabbing elk sausage, bring it home, sending me pictures of them cooking it.

That clip of you and Burr, when you gave bird elk meat, I think it was on, like, a Kill Tony at the store or something. Does it make you aggressive? And then Burr was like, no, no, Joe, you're so high. For him to be like, yes, yes.

Tony said it did. Yeah, I gave him some elk meat.

Yeah. And then he went on stage at the Trump rally.

That was the other night. The other night I gave him some, and he's like, dude, I ate it.

I got all this energy.

I just felt it. It's like. It's like a wild. I go, yeah, exactly like you're eating the essence of a wild forest horse.

Yeah.

A forest horse horse that has swords growing out of its head.

Yeah.

It's got spears growing out of its head, screaming in the woods. That was the other. That was the other thing.

When you did our pod, there was like, a compilation of the animal sounds you make, which is the funniest clip I've ever seen. Like, you were. Because we got high. You came in hot, like, you had the mushrooms rolling. We were smoking weed, and then you just start talking about bears and all. All of us are just, like, open Mouths.

The Wild World is like, you should be in touch with that. Everybody should be in touch with that. People have a ridiculous idea what the Wild world is. A buddy of mine sent me a video that his buddy took of. He's in Colorado and he's driving down the street. I'll send it to you, Jamie. He's in Colorado, driving down the street and he sees a mountain lion take out a deer right on the side of the highway.

Yeah.

I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie, right now. This is like, I'm domesticated. Any of these people that, like, mountain lions are important. They're a part of the ecosystem. Like, these are wild monsters that live in. Did you see the one that I got in the lobby? Do you see the mountain lion in the lobby? The big stuffed mountain.

But the one you've always had.

No, no, that's. The mountain is new. The actual mountain line.

I didn't see it.

My friend Adam Green Tree shot it in Colorado.

Okay.

And it was killing cows, like slaughtering cows on this, this ranch in, in Colorado. Like this. Look at this. This is the side. Give me some volume on this. Listen to this. Look at this deer. This mountain lion's got it by the neck.

Oh, man.

And he's trying to drag his wave free. He got out and then this dude helped him with the horn. Every now and then the good guys win. Isn't that crazy? But that's on the side of the road in Colorado. Like, that could be a hiker. 100. 100. That could be a hiker. It's a little lady, some small lady lady. Some hundred pound lady that's walking around, you know.

Are they the good guys, though? I've thought about that.

The mountain lions?

No. The deer?

No.

Like the prey.

They're food.

Yeah, but. But it's like they've evolved to escape these guys and that's why they're still around. Right? So they have a competitive advantage over the predators or else they just wouldn't exist. No, but I guess, I guess what I'm trying to say is like, they.

Don'T have an advantage. They're just hard to kill.

Okay, they're hard to kill, but they've evolved to be hard to kill.

But they get killed every day.

Sure, sure, sure, sure. But like a lot of times they're going for the weak, they're going for the wounded or going for the babies. Because if you go for like the big dogs, it's gonna be more difficult. You're gonna expend more energy to kill them.

Right.

But I look at the predators and I'm like, they can't eat grass.

Right.

Like, they would love to eat grass. Grass is an easier life.

It's everywhere.

Unfortunately, they have to go attack these animals that have the swords coming out, out of their head.

Right.

So there is a version where I look at. I'm like, who's really burdened here?

Yeah. But the deer don't have the swords coming out of their head to fight off mountain lions. It's just they don't use them for mountain lions. They use them to fight each other.

Just to female.

Yeah, it's just a dominance thing. So they could show the females that they're the dominant males. They. They have the biggest racks and they smash racks with other deer.

But they don't use it at all as defense against predators.

No, not really.

I mean, that's stupid.

They're not smart. Yeah, they're wary, but they're not intelligent. They're not, like, clever.

Yeah.

You know, mountain lions are clever. Wolves are really.

Yeah. I don't fuck with the wolves, man.

Wolves are really clever. They have some sort of psychic communication with each other.

Oh, you. You think that.

Yeah, they coordinate and they don't know exactly how they do it, but they figure out traps. Well, like one wolf will come in and they'll have other wolves flank the animals. So the animals start to scatter and the wolves come in from the sides and get them. Coyotes do this same thing.

And they'll hunt humans too, right?

They used to. They used to a lot. I mean, World War I, they actually had a ceasefire between the Russians and the Germans. Because the wolves are killing so many people, they decided we have to stop and kill wolves.

So they came together, took out the wolves.

Yeah.

And then they just started killing.

Yeah, because you got to realize they're in trench warfare, right. So people get shot and they're. They're bleeding and the wolves smell the blood. The wolves were. They would hear guys getting torn apart in the middle of the night by wolves. The wolves had made it in their way into the foxholes, were just ripping guys apart. Imagine you're lying in a trench and you hear that, like a hundred yards away, a guy getting eaten alive by wolves.

How much do you think people knew about war during World War I?

Very little. Right. I mean, they knew war existed, but they didn't. There's no footage. Yeah, right. There's no photographs. There's. There's just a concept.

And they're just being fed, like, propaganda constantly from, you know, their own Countries. I just, I like wonder what happens when all those guys come home and they're clearly traumatized, but everybody else has just been consuming the propaganda about just oh look what these doing. And they're fighting for us and everything is amazing and we're winning the war and all this positivity that's probably emanating through news. And then these guys come home and they start sharing like the actual stories, right?

Like, well, they just come back shell shocked. Like. You ever see Peaky Black Blinders that show?

Yeah, I watched a couple season when I think Cormac McCarthy was directing. No, no. Am I getting that name right? I might be messing up, but yeah.

McCarthy's the author, right?

Oh no. So I'm thinking of a different guy. Yeah. Did he do Angela's ashes?

Cormac McCarthy. There's the craziest. Who's the guy who directed craziest headline of all time is connected to Cormac McCarthy. I'm gonna send Jamie this. Look at this headline. This is an article from the Atlantic. This might be literally the craziest headline that anyone has ever put in an article before. You don't have to pull it up. It's just, it's just a headline of an article. Cormac McCarthy's ex wife pulled a gun out of her vagina during an argument about aliens. Well.38, probably a.22.

Yeah, we need to know. I didn't know what he said about aliens.

It was probably a little derringer, one of them little two shot little tiny pistols you could stick in your cooter to have a gun in your what? They were having an argument. Aliens. He's like, I'm not here anymore. Why was it enough but why was.

It in in there?

Because they're drunk as they're probably having a good time. Most writers I think like especially old timey writers. Yeah, well Hemingway was a big drunk. I think those people part like Hunter S. Thompson. Craziest of all. I think those people party. Stephen King when he was in his prime. Cocaine, alcohol, all those people that wrote great. They were all out of their head. What is crazier than to that she went through these change. McCarthy went into her bedroom and emerged wearing long lingerie. Her boyfriend probably thought, oh great, reconciliation sex time. Sorry for being skeptical of your out of body experience, hun. Until McCarthy pulled up swithin Wesson out of her vagina and proceeded to have intercourse with the gun. I don't know why intercourse. Asking her boyfriend who's crazy, you or me?

So she's herself with the gun.

Yeah. Okay. My kind of gal.

Yeah.

What? Who's crazy, you or me? While you have a gun in your.

You got it. You got it.

So she was. She was telling him about having some sort of an alien abduction experience, and he didn't want to believe, and he thought she was crazy. So she's like, I'll show you.

Yeah, you win. You win. I think you win. You got abducted. Not arguing, bro.

She might have. Yeah, she might have. I mean, imagine you get abducted by aliens, and you have to tell people, and you're like, a person who wants to be taken seriously in all their walks of life, and you have to tell them that they drained your sperm on a spaceship and that showed you. Hybrids.

That's why I kind of. I like, believe the Lazar dude. Like, when we went to dinner.

Yeah.

He was. He was, like, shell shocked a little bit. 100%. Like, he was like, relax. Reluctant.

Huh?

Do you remember that?

Oh, yeah. Oh. That's why I brought you. I was like, come, come sit with me, because this is the first time I'm hanging with this guy. Like, I think you and me together would be a fun combination to sit down, talk to Bob Lazar.

And it was just like. It was almost like he didn't want to share it in a lot of ways.

Yeah. And imagine people think you're a kook. For 40 years.

Yeah.

For 40 years, people have been thinking, you're out of your fucking mind. You're a liar. You make things up. And then over time, all of a sudden, footage starts emerging in, like, 2017 of these crafts doing exactly what you described, moving in a way that's exactly like what you were saying. And then there starts getting these whistleblowers, these David Grushes and Lou Elizondo say, we have a crash retrieval program. We've had it for a long time. The problem is these defense contractors have access to this stuff. They lied to Congress. There's misappropriation of funds. There's a lot attached to this. And that's why they're not. Not releasing it. Yeah. Which is nuts if that's true.

Yeah. That's why I always say, when people ask me, they're like. I would just be like, I believe he believes it.

Yeah.

I can't say what it is. Obviously, I'm not there. I don't know anything. But, like, I don't think he was a. What are they called? Like, a charlatan or whatever that word is. Like, I don't think he's making this up for attention.

Right.

I think he believes what he saw.

Something happened. He saw something. And he was a legitimate propulsions expert. And he really did work for Los Alamos Labs, which is doing all sorts of wild. And then he really did work for area S4. Like somehow or another he was shipped over there to Area 51, Site 4. And he says they have UFOs. He said they have like seven of them.

Good.

He said one of them is really old. He said they said it was a part of an archeological dig. Here's what's crazy about that. I have this guy, Ben Van Kirk, quick. He has that YouTube page called UnchartedX and he's. Yeah, yeah, great guy. Yeah. They have found, through the use of ground penetrating radar, they found these labyrinths in Egypt that are so huge and under. Underground, like deep underground, but these massive like corridors that lead into these atriums. Like Matt. And they found a 40 meter long metallic object that's under the ground in Egypt. 40 meters long, metallic, some unknown metal that's under the ground. And it doesn't. Whatever it is, they know it's metallic. It doesn't have any sort of signature that is reminiscent of any other metal that we know about.

It was a specific, it was a specific historical site, I think that they found in Egypt.

Herodotus talked about it.

What was it called? Called?

I think it's called the labyrinths. I think that's how it's referred.

But yeah, this is not like, like a figment of people's imagination.

Like this is something historically documented throughout time for thousands of years. And that Herodotus talked about it being greater than the pyramids of Giza underground. And since. So in 1960, Ben was telling us in the 60s they built a dam and you know, to help the farmers in the area. And unfortunately it raised the water table.

Oh.

And that's why it up and it fell flooded these labyrinths because otherwise they would have just been able to dig down into it and enter in. And now it's all filled with water.

Is it filled with water or sediment? Because of the expansion of the water?

It's both. And there's sediment, of course that comes with the water, but there's water. But then below the water table is where the labyrinth. So he's saying there might be a way that they could tunnel from the side past where the water comes in. But they don't want to admit that it's real. Like all these Egyptologists are kind of like.

So you have got down about it.

Ozahi Yeah, I saw that.

Yeah. I don't know if that went the way that he thought it was gonna go.

The way I thought it was gonna go.

Yeah, I know. Gavin, pay attention. It's not gonna go as you see it going.

I'm really high on California. Yeah. I like how he's, like, trying to tweet as Trump. Like, you don't even have your own style. You're mocking his style to try to tweet.

Trump is Trump. Trump is kinder than me, bro.

He's also making things up, like California derangement syndrome.

Yeah.

No, it's like, these are facts.

The people are frustrated, and they have the right to be frustrated. Don't gaslight your own people. I think that's upsetting. Like, if I was from there and I was upset with what was going on and I complained about it, and the guy who's in charge says, you're just deranged.

Yeah. Listen, you don't see a similar uprising against Florida. You don't. Florida boomed economically during COVID Yeah. You know, a lot of people move there.

Why?

Because they had completely different regulations. They allowed people to be free. And now Desantis is even talking about removing property tax, which is a game changer, because that really afford it, though. I don't know. I don't understand any of it.

Yeah, me neither. I don't know. But, like, that is tricky, though, the idea that, like, you buy a home and then you continually have to pay the government to own your own home.

How about even worse? What if you bought a home a long time ago and you paid $20,000 for it in, like, 1940, and now all of a sudden it's worth 2.

Million and you have to.

So you have taxes on 2 million?

Oh, it's not based on.

Different states have different rules.

Okay.

But in some states, you have to pay tax on the amount of money your house is worth.

Is the justification that, like, this is what maintains the streets and this is what, I guess, the community?

Well, the justification is, like, say, if you buy a two million dollar home, you should be contributing with your property taxes to schools and all sorts of other things, which totally.

I believe that.

But the problem is, like, if you're 80 years old and you bought this house for $20,000 and you're on Social Security, and now all of a sudden you owe money on something you already bought to a government that does a terrible job of using your money.

Yeah.

Terrible job. Documented. Terrible job of spending your money. Yeah.

Yeah. I just. I don't know. Why he's poking the. I don't know why he's poking. I don't know why he's poking. Also, like, didn't Trump's kid pipe his wife or whatever?

His ex.

Yeah, well, I would have tweeted that. That's. I'm more petty than these.

You know what I mean?

You're not gonna talk about me and my voice and my kid piped your wife. That's coming out immediately. Why don't you pull my kid's dick out of your life? That's my immediate tweet.

Yeah. Interesting. That's interesting.

I think. I think there is apac.

I've never thought about it.

It is interesting.

Interesting. It's just.

It's just interesting. I think. Yeah. I think about.

You ran short of words, son. For a guy who's really good at talking. They brought up apac. You clammed up right quick, real fast.

I just. I never thought about it. I thought about jpeg, but not apec. I thought about.

Never thought about it. Well, interesting.

Now you can think.

Meanwhile, you just passed some sort of a. The antisemitism thing.

Oh, there's another.

Yeah. Was the anti Semitism thing that they just pushed through.

No, wait a minute. Was it the one about the schools that they then rebuked it?

Oh, I don't know. It's just something someone was connecting it to. This is why. It was a Twitter thing that I was reading. Someone was saying, oh, this is why Gavin Newsom did want to say anything when they were talking about apac.

He wants it bad. Like, you can tell he wants it bad. Yeah, but. And it's almost like having less time in government is beneficial to becoming president 100%.

That's why I think if the Democrats have somebody that's really got a shot, it's that Talarico guy, James Talarico. I think he's legitimate. I think he's a real deal. What he says he is is what he is. Very religious person who has a really good point when he talks about Texas. These very, very wealthy billionaires that are trying to turn in the state theocracy, and they want to. That's why they got the Ten Commandments pushed into every school, all the public schools here. He's like, they want to defund public schools and fund religious schools. And he's like, these people are dangerous. This idea is dangerous. And, like, the far right is just as dangerous as the far left. And if you're on the right and you don't recognize this kind of. This kind of shit is. And this is a really religious guy.

And that's where you trust it even more. Someone actually really believes in it that's pushing back and goes is against, like, the values of our country. Yes, he might agree with all those things that they're pushing, but he's like, I don't think it should be, like, governmentally enforced in schools.

He's very well versed in the Bible and is literally in seminary right now. Like, this is a guy that's very religious, like, legitimately religious, and has been his whole life.

But that's the thing. You need to shake shit up, and you especially need to shake shit up with your own party. I mean, that's what Trump did with Republicans. That's what any candidate that ends up winning does is you have to be like the candidate of rebellion to a certain extent. Like, you even seen what's happened in New York right now. Like, you could hate every policy that Mamdani has, but you can't deny that he's at least saying things that tap into the concerns and frustrations of New Yorkers.

Right. You left those people out of the conversation.

Exactly.

And now the chickens have come home to roost.

There it is. So it's like, I will not at all. I won't at all criticize him for trying to fix problems that people have when the other guys there are just saying, we're not going to do anything.

Yeah.

I think it was a lot of times, the frustrations with the last election. It's just like people were frustrated with Biden. They just didn't think that he was all there. They didn't know who's running the country, and they didn't like what was happening. And then she came in and she wouldn't separate herself at all. So that's on you. Like, you have to give people. You have to give people hope. And oftentimes hope is being the candidate of rebellion, and that usually is what ends up winning.

Do you see that? People ragging on her conversations. Conversation with Kara Swisher. She was on stage with Kara Swisher and she even. Kara Swisher was kind of like ragging on her a little bit. She was like, you know, a lot of some people said that I was the most qualified person to ever run for president. Like, who said that? And Kara's like, some people said that. Like, who said that you were literally running against a guy who was already president. So if you're. If you're going. If you're going based on your resume, you're not more qualified than Biden. Yeah. Biden was the vice President of the United States for eight years.

Best thing for the Republican Party right now is her book tour. Because every time she talks on camera, there's a reminder as to why she lost when she went away for a while. I think you could be, like. You could pretend about what she was and what she stood for. Yeah. But the second she does an interview and she's like, yeah, I couldn't have Pete be my vice president. He's a gay. And then Rachel Maddows. What do you mean? She's like, no, I'm not exactly saying. But he likes guys.

Yeah.

You're like, what? What is going on?

Right, Right. It's too risky.

It's too risky.

Yeah. How dare you say Merry Christmas. How dare you? She's. It's like the same thing, man. Do you see your Columbus Day message to America?

What was the. Columbus.

Oh, God. It was like, don't forget the horrors that the Europeans did to the. Okay, Jesus.

Did he even get here?

Gold dig.

Did he get here or not?

Columbus? No, did not get here. No.

So take that up with the Dominican Republic or whatever.

Like, wherever he landed.

That's what I'm saying. It's like.

But it wasn't Columbus Necess. I mean, the idea is. I think it's Indigenous People's Day. I think it stopped being Columbus Day after a while.

Yeah.

And they call it Indigenous Peoples Day, which makes sense.

Yeah. I mean, like, shout out to them. I think it's funny when governments do these things to, like, enforce care. Like, anytime I'm performing in Canada, like, if it's on, like, an indigenous area.

They make me do, like, a land acknowledgement.

And I remember the first time they told me that, I was like, you want me to what? And they're like, yeah, we want you to let them know that this used to be native land. And I'm like. I remember telling it to, like, the chief of the tribe. And I'm like, brother, that kind of seems like I'm bragging. Like, I'm going up there and be like, yo, this used to be yours. But the boys came in.

Got y'.

All the fuck out of here. Like, you really want me to go and remind everybody what happened before the comedy show?

You know, my favorite part about that is it's a land acknowledgement, but also saying, we're not giving it back.

That's what I'm saying.

We stole it, but it's ours now.

So what do we do? Who are we doing this for.

Sorry. We're gonna acknowledge the fact that we're on stolen land. But the thing. The thing is these people that go along with that are also the same people that want no borders. And no one's illegal being anywhere. Like, Christopher Columbus is the only immigrant they hate.

Yo. That was. There was like, there's no borders.

Know no one's illegal.

Hey, listen.

But, yeah, these people shouldn't have been here.

We let a Spanish speaking guy into America once. Went great. Can't see any problem with that.

Ever ended. The Mayan empire, they gave them all diseases. Jesus Christ. Hilarious. Think about what they did. What Cortez did.

I know.

To Mexico. I know. Like, my God. God.

I know.

It's nuts.

Yeah. Up.

Yeah. It's like, yeah, human beings did that. But also, yeah, bad. The diseases, the slaughter. Also what they did to each other was horrible.

Yeah. I mean, human beings do up.

Yeah. And always.

We're here now. What are we going to do now? That's my worry. So what are we going to do now? It's like. It's like you go into the doctor, you got lung cancer, and the doctor's like, let's talk about all them cigarettes you were smoking. And it's like, why don't we talk about all that chemo you're gonna give me? Like, tell me what we're gonna do now to get rid of this.

Right? Don't tell me about what I did. I know what I did.

Yeah.

All right, brother. My boy, go play some paddle. This is fun.

You gotta come.

This is.

I gotta get you on a paddle.

I can't today. I got too much to do.

All right, fine. One of these days, I'm getting.

One of these days, I'll go out there with you anyway.

I love you, dog.

I love you too, brother. Always good to hang.

Always great to hang.

Yes, sir.

I'm in.

Yes, sir. All right, bye, everybody.