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So, Jamie, what was your question?

It was 2 lakhs, but it was really like because he I wouldn't know.

Hardcore science question.

Yeah. Based on physics. Okay. In theory, if you were in space and you maybe ejaculated, is it possible that the ejaculate would propel you backwards? Like, send you you know, like, is it propulsion?

Is there enough for power in there to propel you?

There's only 1 way to find out.

It depends on how long you hold it in for. Right? Like, you you didn't jerk off for, like, 4 months, and then you had, like, the mother lode. Still not I

mean, you need something to go 1 way, so you go the other way. Yeah. And Lex had an answer, but I don't know. What's

the answer?

What he had a thought, I guess.

What if you blow out at the same time?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, in space, the the, like, the biodynamics of the liquids is different. That's I

Oh, yeah. I think

there's it's actually difficult to have sex in space and to get people pregnant in space.

Does anybody ever gotten pregnant on the space station? Are they allowed even to have sex?

Nobody has officially had sex in space. Officially? Officially. But unofficially, of course, people have tried.

I wonder if they have. I mean, how monitored are they?

There is a Wikipedia page about sex and space, and it's actually pretty detailed. But it's Wikipedia, so

you know it's half bullshit.

There's citations. I encourage people to to look

into it, read in detail. I mean, it's a serious problem.

If you wanna, you know, colonize space, you probably wanna have a lot of sex and Yeah. Get pregnant and have kids

and But don't you think they'll develop some sort of jet gravity generating machines?

Yeah.

Absolutely. You have to. Like, Jeff Bezos talks about this a lot. Yeah. Like, how you create artificial gravity in space.

Because for, for Jeff Bezos, the likely way to colonize space is to have space stations. Elon is more focused on, colonizing planets, Mars. Yeah. So both both are obviously gonna be necessary, and you gotta need to have gravity in order to get laid.

Bro, the first people that make that trip oh.

Yeah. Jamie was saying he wants to go.

On the bar. I mean, I'm on that trip,

but Yeah.

A trip.

You go eventually? Why not? Oh, dude. Why? What if you die out there?

Okay. You're gonna die. Everybody dies. Yeah.

We don't wanna die that way, dude.

If you get to decide 1 way to die, that's not a 1 of the worst ways.

It's the worst way. You're gonna die in space running out of air.

You don't know how it's gonna happen.

What do

you want? Reentry.

You could get yeah. You could just cook instantly.

Could be on the way up.

You get hit by, a micrometeorite.

Could be while you're asleep up there.

Could be. Imagine standing on Mars looking back at Earth.

Going, what the fuck did I do? Yep. Why did I do this? Yeah.

And then having kids on Mars and teaching them kids. We came from there.

You think homeschooling's bad? How about space schooling?

Just imagine the crazy shit that happens on Mars. I mean, it's it's gonna be, what, a 100000 people?

Yeah. And so you're gonna get 1 psycho who's gonna run everything Mhmm. And they're gonna take over.

Yeah.

Probably some cult leader, convinces everybody to do it his way.

It's gonna be a sex cult 100%. 100%. Or back to sex and space.

Right. They're gonna say, like, listen, if Elon is their man, Elon wants to procreate every chance he can. Uh-huh. How many kids does he have now?

Allegedly. Double digits.

Oh, we don't even know how many. Well because they think he's got secret kids.

They think who's they? They.

The fucking people that run the world.

Is there a Wikipedia page on this?

There probably is. He's probably got secret kids.

Secret kids? Yeah.

When you have, like what does he have? Like, 300 +1000000000 dollars?

What's going on?

You can you can have a few ladies here. They're all over the place Yeah. Having kids. There's a lot of ladies who just wanna have kids. They don't want a guy around.

Yeah. There's a

Especially when they get a little older.

There's a castle in the south of France with a, like, a harem just

a wait

for him. Yeah. Yeah. Just waiting for daddy to allegedly to land his rocket ship.

Wanted a fish that says at least 12. At least 12 kids.

Mhmm.

See, nobody even knows. Imagine no 1 knows how many kids you have. That's kinda crazy.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's the the situation, Genghis Khan was in. You know?

Well, he was doing it a little differently. He was a little bit more forceful.

Actually, I mean, there's a lot of different perspectives on that. Like, I what's the the book, on Genghis Khan? So first of all, there's obviously the Dan Carlin, wrath of the Khans, and in that series of podcasts, he criticizes the book Jack

Weatherford.

Weatherford. Making of the modern world. Genghis Khan in the making of the modern world. Yes. And the Mongols in the making of the modern world.

Yeah. So that's the and now there it is. Nice. That is, 1 of the things that Dan Carlin talks about that when enough time has passed

Mhmm.

That they sort of look at these, marauders and murderers in a different light and saying, oh, he opened up trade to the east. Sure. Also, killed 10% of the population of Earth, lit people on fire, and launched them in on catapults to onto thatched roofs.

Well, I think, I think, actually, Dan Collins makes a really good point. How long do you wait until, you know, that you could tell these kinds of stories about Hitler? I think that's an example

he uses.

That's what he uses.

But, you know, you wanna be historically accurate here. And Genghis Khan, there's a lot of different perspectives including opening up trade and including what was the protocol based on which he was doing, the murdering. So it was very clear before the invasion, he always said you can, surrender and then we would, not murder anybody. You just have to, follow the law. And the law was very, very sort of clear and it's it it it's basically enforcing a law of the land, so free trade, free practice of religion, and you have to pay taxes instead of to your to your king.

You have to pay taxes to the Mongol Empire.

But did they really say we won't kill anyone?

Yes. 100%. That's that's they followed that, and this is very well documented.

Really? Yes. So everybody could have just laid down and 10% of the world's population wouldn't be dead? Yes.

Really? So the the nuance there is that sometimes they killed the upper classes.

Mhmm.

Well, you

know, didn't they kill the royals by, like, crushing them to death? They'd have lunch over them?

They were listen. This is a a different time, but they were brutal.

Oh, yeah.

If they if they because they want to, they use fear as part of the the military tactics. Right? So they want people to be terrified, and they want people to talk about how terrified the Mongol Empire is so that they forfeit more easily. Yeah. You know, that there's there's a lot of aspects of it.

Not not to say that, Genghis Khan is a feminist, but there's a lot of progressive aspects. Like, he put a lot of women in positions of power. He gave a lot of rights to to women. This is a very strange

perspective. A lot of raping.

Nope. There's not his kids. It's I mean, it's

What do you mean nope? When when he would conquer these places, he would take women, and and his new wives. Yeah. But it wasn't their call. So that's kinda rapey.

That's very rapey. Yeah. So but there's a If you

just fucking take them and make them have your kids.

There's the kind of mass rape that the Soviet soldiers did at the end of World War 2 when they're marching towards Berlin, which is, extremely violent, vicious, and sort of that kind of rape, which is part of the terror of war. And then there's, like, creating a harem of women. Right? So it's it's a different, I I think the main point is that, you know, this is something you you talk about that, you know, a large percent of the population, as that 1 study from, like, 20 years ago found are descendants of Genghis Khan.

Huge.

Yeah. I think the way to do that is to, is to make everybody who's your descendant popular within the culture. Like, you can't you can't have that many, be have your DNA propagate throughout civilization by raping. You have to have everybody who like, to have a high, status for people that are associated with Genghis Khan. You can't have that kind of thing with, fear.

You can only do it with respect and high status. And he, for several generations, created an empire that was flourishing.

Okay. You kinda whitewash that. No. Well I mean, they killed a 1000000 people in Jin China and turned their bones into a stack, a pile that they recognized as snow covered mountains from the distance. That's what they thought it was until they got up on it.

When the Shah of Charisma came there to check it out, he's like, where is everybody? They had abandoned the roads because there were so many dead bodies that the roads had deteriorated into muck.

Yeah. Let me actually sort of backtrack a little bit here because I'm I'm I'm uncomfortable because I'm deeply involved in, the military affairs of modern day. And so there's a kinda I was just kind of having fun. Yes. There was mass murder

Yeah.

That was happening. It was vicious. And we could and I'm not a scholar of Genghis Khan. I was simply saying that, it's interesting how history looks at these different empires. For example, we venerate the Roman Empire.

Not we, but

Yeah.

Ancient Greece, and they were equally, if not more brutal, in their conquest and their destruction.

And there's never really been a time where there was a leading superpower that wasn't brutal.

It's it's, I think, become less and less brutal over time, and people document this. So war, the number of people as percent of the population killed is less and less.

But what about laws. Ukraine and Russia, like, how many people have died all told between the 2? It's gotta be close to a1000000.

It's, over a1000000 casualties, which includes death and, injuries. And the estimates vary, but I think a a good estimate is over 400,000 total, maybe over 500,000 on both sides. And the dead on the Ukraine side is probably 1 third or 1 fourth of the total dead.

Really? So 3 quarters of them on the Russian side? On the Russian side. Yeah. What do what do you attribute that to?

I think there's military scholars that understand this really well. I think, in general, the invading force loses more people than the defending force. That's 1 aspect. Of course, the Ukrainian military will say it's about the effectiveness of the the Ukrainian military. And, also, 1 of the other things they say is that the the medical capabilities so the medics are really strong on the Ukrainian side, which is also tragic because you're able to save lives, but you have the the injuries, the pain of war, you know, that, the veterans have to go through.

Right. So they're able to save lives more effectively also. Right. But there is a big characteristic of, the invading force usually loses more people.

What was it like, going over there and interviewing Zelensky?

So I should say I went to Ukraine twice after February 24, 2022 invasion. And maybe it's good for me to also say where I come from because it's surreal to be there for me. Sure. Both my parents are from Ukraine, from from Kyiv and Kharkiv. These are towns in Ukraine, cities in Ukraine.

I've been there many times. I myself was born in Tajikistan, speaking of, Genghis Khan. And, I lived there in Tajikistan. And and by the way, I'm regretting Defending Jinkes Khan in this conversation for fun.

You didn't really defend.

Yeah. I I I wanna be sort of say that over and over again. War is hell, and it's almost a tension between how much Roman Empire Caesar and these folks are venerated, and Genghis Khan is seen as this barbarian that was just destroying and raping and so on. They were all horrible, vicious warmongers. All of them.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, Tajikistan, and I lived for a time in Kyiv, and I lived for a time in Moscow. I have family in Ukraine. I have family in Russia.

And so, and I should say in World War 2, a lot of my family was slaughtered in, Babi Yar, which is a ravine in, Kyiv where they gather people around the Nazis, and they just put them in this ravine and just shot them and then put another layer of humans, told them to get naked and face down, lay face down, and slaughter and slaughter like this. It's mass mass mass graves, mass slaughter. And, my grandfather fought the Nazis. He's a machine gunner, which he's 1 of the few that survives, which is, the reason I'm here, that they basically tried to hold off the the Nazi armada. And that the the surreal aspect of all this is the same land.

You know? I I just still remember the song, It's 22nd June. The bombing bombing at at at 4 AM, the bombing bombing of Kyiv began. So this is in 1941, June 22nd. Just imagine, speaking of Genghis Khan, complete surprise, just the Nazi armada, just, like, just calming the operation Barbarossa, this massive military force invading your land.

It's it's Kyiv and it's these the greatest the biggest battles of all time were in this land. The battle of Kyiv, the the battle of Stalingrad, the battle of Moscow. We're talking about 100 of 1,000, millions of people just slaughtering each other. And and the way Hitler, of course, approached the battle and so just Stalin is nobody surrenders. It's there's no, it's all in slaughter.

It doesn't matter if it's winter. It doesn't matter if there's no guns. It doesn't matter. It's just victory or death on both sides, and so it's just brutal war. And so this is the land.

Right? This is and I have you know, for a lot of people in this land, this history is part of them. It's it's part it's part of their blood. They they remember these struggles. They remember this this political, this geopolitical, this military, this social, this this is real.

This is like imagine that it's because recent imagine the United States living maybe a few decades after the civil war. You remember. You you maybe a few decades after the civil war. You remember. You you remember that the the, you know, you have relatives that died.

You have you remember the real the real hatred, the real tensions, the real the real battle. So, yeah, it was, it was surreal to be back there and to try to do what I was doing, which is to push for peace since there's probably a lot to say, about this war. I should say that I interviewed Vladimir Zelensky, and I will be traveling to Russia to interview Vladimir Putin. And

I

the I'm aware of the risks. I accept the risks, and the goal, the mission is to just push for peace, to do my small part in pushing for peace. And that's what I was trying to do in this conversation, and it it required just a huge amount of preparation. For people who don't know, maybe I'll lay out where there was opportunities for peace. So since the beginning of the war, February 24, 2022, I think there was 3 moments to make peace.

From the perspective of Ukraine, you want to make peace, from strength, so when you're in a position of strength. The first time to make peace was, March April of 2022, when the Ukrainian forces were able to successfully defend the north, defend Kyiv. There's this huge optimism, this belief that we're we could push back this gigantic Russian military. That's a place for leverage and the confidence both of the US funding, the European militaries, and the Ukrainian military that we can win this. This is when you make peace, when there is, when there is a perception and a reality of strength.

The second time was in the fall of 2022 when, there was a successful counteroffensive by the Ukrainian forces that recaptured, Kharkiv and Kherson. This is, the south and the east of Ukraine. And there was this real sense that we could, that the Ukrainian forces can defeat the Russian forces. Huge optimism. A lot of pressure from the US to to make peace then.

This is the strength and perhaps the weakness of, Volodymyr Zelensky, who I do think is a historic figure and a great leader, is that he, 1, deeply emotionally feels the suffering of the people and the loss that war creates, And he single handedly has to unite the nation and carry the will of a people and the morale of a people, has to lift the morale of a people. And that kind of man struggles to make peace because he understand he he wants justice, not peace. And so from a position of strength there, he wants to go further, recapture all of the land that he sees belongs to Ukraine. But that's exactly when you make peace. And so his very strength, the man that stayed in Kyiv that said, you know, fuck you.

We're not going to, we're going to win this. That kind of man that lifted a whole nation, that united a whole nation, that man is has also struggled to make peace. And so the 3rd time to make peace, after all after all of that, the Russian military regrouped and has been capturing land gradually. And so the the third time to make peace is now. The Trump administration, there's a momentum.

They want to make peace. He won't he he's a a great dealmaker. He wants to end wars in all parts of the world.

We just made the deal in Gaza now.

Made the deal in Gaza. And that's super complicated situation too because they made a ceasefire deal with the hostages. But, like,

Isn't but isn't it amazing that the Biden administration Biden administration had 2 years, couldn't get anything done, and Trump gets it done in a day? He was saying that he was gonna be able to do that, and everybody dismissed it.

Yeah. And I I think there's a a political battle now taking credit for who made the ceasefire, which I think is silly. It's

Of course, you can have that. Yeah. Biden is the president. He's still the president for another few days.

The the the point is, with Donald Trump, there's a real will and a momentum to make peace. There's a respect. There's a fear. There's, you know, whatever you think about Donald Trump, he is this person that world leaders respect in in the full meaning of the word respect. Not like admire, but fear.

I think both Zelensky and Putin fear Donald Trump, and that's a great person to then make peace because he has the lever all of them believe Putin and Zelensky that Trump could do some crazy shit.

And he probably would, but he doesn't want to.

Right. This is a difference.

And That's a very unique position that he's in where they're afraid of him, but yet he wants peace.

Exactly. Yeah. And so this is the time. And if you don't make peace now, what's going to happen is the funding from US and the support from US is going to dwindle gradually. And, Putin is willing and able to just wait and to let the war continue for months and for years.

And meanwhile, people are dying every single day. Yeah. Thousands of people.

And What's horrible about this war too is there's GoPro footage. Yeah. There's a lot of cell phone footage. There's a lot of GoPro footage. I've watched too much of it, unfortunately.

But it's, it's rough, man. It's it's a horrible war. And it's a war that's so confusing over here for especially to the uninitiated, for the people that are just, like, kinda reading the newspaper and getting a it's a sort of a cursory understanding of what happened. Russia invaded. Why?

You know, what'd they do? And then you you gotta get into the whole US backed coup in 2 1014, and then you have to think about NATO and the agreement that was made the fall of, you know, when, the wall came down in Berlin. The agreement that NATO would not push forth and move closer to Russia, which they violated over and over and over again. The whole thing is so complicated, that it takes forever just to sort of get an understanding of the pieces that are involved. Forget about, like, who's responsible for what, but just like how many different things are happening, you know, simultaneously that are forcing Putin's hand, now Zelensky's hand, and just to be on this side of the world watching it take place, it's almost unbelievable.

It's so hard to believe that Russia and Ukraine, which were both a part of the Soviet Union just not that long ago while during my lifetime. Now they're at war.

I should say that I believe so how do you handle situations like this? I believe US actually gave not enough money to Ukraine. They should have given more money, hit really hard, and then make peace. This is the point. A month or 2 after the start of the war, you can learn the same kind of lesson with Iraq and Afghanistan.

There's no reason those, those invasions, those military operations

no other way? There's no other way than just give money? Give money and and hit hard? There's no other way? What about What?

I would avoid it. Avoid it.

Yeah. What about have NATO back out?

Well, a lot of this is about diplomatic rhetoric. And, yes, NATO was consistently talking shit to Putin, and and that's not like, a lot of this is about diplomacy.

Right.

And you can't just, you can't just pressure with with words. I mean, for for some people, it's it seems almost silly that you need to show respect to world leaders, but there needs to be shown real respect. Putin has laid out the interest of the, the Russian Federation. He said that he's been very clear about what the interests are. They they want their security to be respected.

They want their nation to be respected. He's he's very clear. And simply at the negotiation table, he just needs to be respected. Like, his perspective needs to be understood and heard. You can't just say Putin is evil.

Right. Bad guy, authoritarian. He hates freedom. We need to destroy him. This kind of this whole vibe and energy, you come with this idealistic sense that you bring to the table.

You have to respect leaders. You have to respect Xi Jinping. You have to respect Putin when you're at the negotiation table, not when you're on Twitter and x or talking shit or historians or activists. Fine. You can criticize as much as you want, as vicious as you want.

You can mock. Artists can mock as much as they want. Comedians, doesn't matter. When you're a world leader and you come to the table, you have to show respect. You have to treat other world leaders, as funny as this to say, the way you want to be treated with respect.

That's not funny at all. Yeah. Makes sense. And it If you wanna get things done.

If you want if you want to get things done, and more importantly, if you want the in this war for the death to end, 1 of the things I kept pushing in an almost childlike way with Zelensky is getting him to open himself up for peace because he kept shutting it down. He kept mocking Putin. He kept criticizing Putin, which is okay. It's okay to sort of criticize and say that there's war crimes, that that there's real, vicious violence and destruction happening. But along that, there has to be a door open of respect of I'm willing to come to the table to negotiate and respect the other the other nation's interests, as opposed to saying I'm only going to talk to United States.

You have to be open to to to negotiate, because there unfortunately, this is the motherfucker of peace is you have to compromise. You have to sit across the table as as a world leader with a person you might fucking hate. Because unlike Putin, I should say, Zelensky goes to the front. He talks to the soldiers. He sees the dead bodies.

He talks to the civilians, the mothers that lost their children, the wives that that lost their husband. Right? The this person who's an empath, who's an emotional being, he's wearing all that in his mind. Like, there's a real pain there. Like, he's tortured tormented by this.

If you're a leader, you have to put all that aside and you have to sit and save your nation by compromising. That's it. And that that's the hard thing of it, especially now there's an opportunity where the Trump figure rolls in who wants to make peace. You have to use this opportunity. Yeah.

And it's tough. It's very, very tough.

Yeah. You're putting it mildly. Very tough. What what do you think Trump can do now when he gets an what what could possibly if Zelensky wants victory, they want revenge. What can Trump do to sort of, like, bring peace to the table?

I think, some of these notions sound naive, but literally meet, which they haven't been meeting. So meet with Putin, meet with Zelensky.

They haven't been meeting at all?

No. So Zelensky comes down with they've been meeting with Zelensky, but there is no meeting with Putin. I think the right thing to do is to go to, whether it's Switzerland or or Turk, Istanbul or, Minsk. And, like, the biggest thing for me would be literally the 3 of them sit together. I think I I trust in, Trump's negotiation ability and the the carrot and the stick of the of the United States military and the United States economy, for being able to control oil prices, being able to control trade with tariffs, being able to threaten military force and funding and so on, plus sanctions, all of this.

You you can roll in with that carrot and stick implied or made implicit or explicit and just sit at the table and talk like human beings and show each other respect. Like, that, you know, is is 1 of the things that actually COVID did. There's something that happens where remote communication just is not it. Like, the the silly thing about this podcast being in person. Right?

There's a real power there. Everything else is, you know, like, fucking with a condom. Like Yeah. You have to you have to you have to show up. It's part of the reason

like jerking off with a condom on.

Jerking off with a thing.

Not even fucking with

a condom on. For the metaphor. Yeah. As part of the reason I wanted to talk to president Zelensky in Russian, which I speak fluently, and he speaks fluently. It's it's his primary language.

For people seem to misunderstand this on the Internet, he spoke Russian his whole life. That's his main language. He speaks with his wife, with his whole staff, with all of this. This this is his language. It's just that now the Ukrainian language has become a symbol of independence.

So they're fighting for their independence, for their sovereignty. I understand it, but, you know,

so he spoke with you in Ukrainian?

He kept going back and forth. But, yeah, most of the powerful things were said in Ukrainian. So I'm listening to an interpreter through a shitty headset. The interpreter is not forgive me. Did the interpreter who's not very good?

He's delayed. There's noise.

God. But wouldn't it make more sense if he spoke to you in a language that you understand?

Yeah. This would really tried, but but this is a man once again. Yeah. He's, he's the leader of a nation in a time of war, and he's not stylistically who he is. Like, he's all in.

This is like a Braveheart type character.

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I mean Which is so crazy because he started his career as a comedian.

Right? Right. I mean, there's you never know you never know who the who the leaders are that step up. I think, you know, a lot of people sort of say that it's trivial that he stayed in Kyiv when the the Russian military invaded. To me, it's not trivial trivial at all.

I think that's a truly heroic act to stay when you know when nobody knows what's going to happen and all the experts are saying Kyiv is going to be taken. To stay as a leader in that same place where you were in the night before, like, working and not flee when everybody the CIA, everybody's telling you to flee. To stay there like a bad motherfucker. Actually, go outside and film yourself speaking to the nation that we're going to win this. We're going to hold strong.

That's a that's an insane thing to do. And maybe it does require, like it's a Trump level insanity. Right? It's similar to me to the Trump standing up when there's still bullets flying and saying fight, fight, fight. Right?

That's a where does that come from? I don't know. But most people don't have that. Right. And it's nice when it was it was refreshing.

It was refreshing when you see that. Like, holy fuck. Yes. We want that guy. Yeah.

And he really united the nation. He the the nation was fracturing. He was actually not popular at all up to that war because, the the policies he was trying were not working. What policy specifically? So his, so the the stuff that was working I don't know the internals of the, Ukrainian politics that well, But, so key 1 in 2019, based on his desire to fight corruption and to modernize, Ukrainian digital system, which he did very successfully, it's actually super interesting.

You can they have a app called Dia, which your passport, all your identifications, all app apified, which I don't understand why they you United States doesn't have that. You can, like, update your license. You can get your license, like, instantly. So it's like the 21st century version of what government should work like. The reason they did that is it's a way to fight corruption.

It's a way like, whenever you have paperwork, there's a a place for corruption to seep in. So he was very serious about fighting corruption. That's the other thing is there is corruption in Ukraine. There's not as much as people perceive. It's but it's a serious problem,

especially less now than before?

What I see, I I want I want to be careful here because I don't like, it's very difficult to know the perception. There's a serious concern about corruption. In a time of war, there's always going to be more corruption. United States spent $9,000,000,000,000 on the war in Afghanistan, Iraq, and the Middle East. After 9:11, on that part of the world, they spent $9,000,000,000,000 and it's growing.

Using all that money, you've had a lot of guests on this program talking about how that money was used. There's a lot of shady shit that happened.

Oh, yeah.

War breeds corruption. This is

1

of the reasons you should be concerned about the military industrial complex is because that money is just not used well. Right. But that that's all. That's a discussion. The reality of corruption in Ukraine is it should be dealt with after you make peace.

All the problems. The the elections were suspended too. The ideas of the democracy. There is censorship in Ukraine now. All of those ideas cannot be all of those things cannot be fixed until the war has ended.

The reason there is censorship now in Ukraine is because it's it's it's a war. But you can't the ideas of democracy in part have to be suspended during a war to effectively fight that war. This is, this is a whole idea of martial law. The United States has this. You you don't you don't fuck around.

You have to win the war. When your land is invaded, you you have to every, everybody has to be focused on this. The problem is it's a slippery slope when, all the media channels are being controlled and the the president and everybody is so invested in, quote, unquote, winning the war, then where are the critical voices that say we need peace? Right? They're all they're coming from the outside, but you need that.

The the thing is it's it's a really complicated tension. Right? You don't during the war with martial law, you do wanna suspend elections potentially. It's it's a really difficult trade off. United States has the same thing.

If we were to be invaded, I don't know by by who. This is not you know, if Canada invaded, I don't wanna make a joke out of this, but there's going to be a more yeah. I'm a

quick fight.

Yeah. Exactly. But, like, there there would be a martial law where elections would be delayed or suspended and so on. So all those criticisms, all those concerns can can only be dealt with once you make peace. Yeah.

And in terms of core in terms of corruption, just my there's a lot of people that know Zelensky well, and, this has been my impression. Having met him, there I don't think he and I have not heard anybody that knows him well say that he's personally corrupt. This is really important. Like, he himself is not personally corrupt, and he's and he legitimately is fighting corruption. Now he's in a system that has corruption.

Russia has corruption. It's really difficult to weed out corruption, but he legitimately at least to me, that's really important that he, as a single human being and the people really close around him, like really close, that's corruption starts to seep in, of course, when you, go further out. But in in that direct human being, that he is not personally corrupt. He, like, financially speaking, he singularly believes in the idea of Ukraine as a as a sovereign nation, and he's willing to die for that idea. That is his strength, and that is also his weakness when it's time to make peace.

When you are preparing to do something like this and you are, you know, you're doing your research, you're you're getting ready to go do it, What what are your concerns other than your own physical safety, of course? Well, like, what what do you what is your like, ultimately, what's your concerns? What are your goals when you're setting out to do this? Because this is very different than any other kind of podcast interview. It's, it's there's no other format really where a world leader in the middle of a a huge international conflict is gonna sit down for 3 hours and, talk to an American scientist, which is weird too.

Right? It's like, why are you doing it? You know what I mean? Like, why this guy who works in AI just decides he's gonna start a podcast. The podcast becomes very successful.

And all of a sudden, he's like, I'd like to talk to everybody. I'd like to go over and talk to Zelensky and to talk to Putin and everybody's like, why you? What the fuck are you doing? So you get a lot of that. Yeah.

And then, unfortunately, for you, you read the comments. So you get sucked into all that negativity.

Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot to say there. First of all, on the comments side, I always have a little Joe Rogan on my show saying, don't read the comments.

Don't read the comments.

And, in this situation, it's especially intense. Yeah. I I should say, like, privately,

after

I did a conversation with Zelensky, every single person that knows the situation well knows me personally has written to me, and it's all been really positive, like, really positive. Almost like in the desert wanting water positive because there's a lot of voices that are afraid to speak that want peace. Sure. But online, this is something we talked about offline a little bit. There there's just, like, these, like, swarms of people that are, like

Not even necessarily people. That's I I I don't wanna sort of go too far

in that territory assuming that anybody who criticized me is a bot. No.

No. But but there is I'm not saying that, but there's a there's an enormous element of that that's real. Whether it's bots or whether it's hired people, paid propagandists, the the conversation is not a pure conversation between people expressing their ideas. There's a lot of propaganda online, and it's very confusing to try to discern what the percentage is. You know, we've talked about this a bunch of times in the podcast, but there's a former FBI analyst who estimated that it's on Twitter alone.

This is before the purchase. He believed it was around 80%. So 80% fake accounts. 80%, not just propaganda, like government propaganda, but most certainly, corporations are hiring people to do similar things. I'm sure, there's companies that will do that for public figures, actors, you know, people that are involved in conflict.

And this is part of the Blake Lively, dispute is that she is accusing that Justin Baldoni actor of, an organized attack on her, which is probably what it feels like. Anyway, when you're involved in something on social media, like, oh my god, this is organized, where they're attacking you. But it's a it's a very confusing landscape. Ideally, what we would want with social media is different people, informed and non uninformed, but at least expressing their ideas on things and exchanging information back and forth and talking. It's not the whole story though.

There's a lot of other players involved that are not real. There's there's AI for sure. There's, there's definitely large language models that are involved in this back and forth with, you know, automation and, you know, they look out for certain code words and these these accounts attack certain ideas. So it's hard to know, like, what the actual will of the people is.

Yeah. I I mean, it's definitely true, and I've seen a lot of evidence of this that there's Ukrainian bot farms and Russian bot farms.

Have you spoke to Elon about this? About bot farms? Yeah. Because, like, he knows a lot more now, of course. Right?

Because there was the big concern when he was buying Twitter. They were trying to say there was 5%. It was only 5% bots. And they were doing that on extremely low sample size. They were doing it off of a 100 people.

So they got a 100 people, and out of those 100 people, 5 of them they determined were bots, and so they went with 5%, which is just ridiculous. You know, you're dealing with how many people are on Twitter every day. Like, what's the total Twitter audience? It's not as big as Facebook. Right?

Facebook is 3,200,000,000 worldwide, which is unbelievable.

I think x has a a small number, but very influential and very active. Yeah.

Very active. Very influential. 245 daily active. What is the total amount of accounts on it though? Because, you know, there's daily active and then there's just people that just read them.

There's a lot of people that just read. 541,560,000 monthly active users. So, again, that's active users. So, total users. What's the total users?

See, it's all active. I wanna know accounts.

That's the only I don't they delete counts all the time.

Right. Yeah. They definitely do. So they must have some sort of a system where they weed out bots and, you know, there's a lot of concern right now on Twitter about censorship. You know, this is I'm I try to stay out of Twitter as much as I can, honestly, because I think it's bad for your mental health.

I really do. I think people just barking at each other all day is not good to absorb. I wanna absorb real people that I interact with. I want to I mean, I try to pay attention to the news. I try to, pay attention to whatever controversial ideas are out there and try to see what I think.

But I don't think it's good to dive in to social media all day. I think it's uniquely bad, and I think so many people are involved in it and they don't realize that they're they're poisoning their brain just like they poison their body if they're eating junk food all day. I think it's genuinely bad for you.

Yeah. I mean, and you and I are and also in a particular, you know, doing a podcast, and we're also very different human beings. I would say your psychological your psychological fortitude is is, pretty strong. Like, I'm more I wear my heart on my sleeve maybe a little bit more and when if I like, shit gets to me. Mhmm.

And and, you know, when you try to put compassion out there in the world in a way in a way I did, especially with this conversation with Zelensky, the attacks, like

You just have to recognize who the kind of people that are doing that are.

Yeah.

You know, those are just really weak people. Really weak, psychologically damaged, mentally ill people that are probably medicated.

I so to push back, I think some of them are actually, good sophisticated people. They're just acting not their best selves. Like, I've seen this there's people that are like I know them personally. And online, they just like, the worst shit comes out of them. Yeah.

It just because they're mentally ill.

And they're But then all of us are a bit mentally ill.

Yeah. But we're all a little mentally ill. Like, no 1 is enlightened that I've met. Yeah. I've never met 1 person who's perfect.

Right? I don't think it's possible with this journey that we're on as these meat vehicles, these soul carrying meat vehicles navigating a very confusing world. I don't think it's possible to be perfect, but you can have a desire to be a good person and some people don't have that. And the excuse that they always use is, I mean, this is the Donald Trump excuse. You do anything you can to stop Hitler, you know.

Right? And this is this is why they wanna conflate and they always wanna pretend that everyone's Hitler. The the problem with that is it just after a while, it's crying wolf and people like, oh, this is a bullshit game you're playing and you're just using it as an excuse. Elon's talked about this a lot about and he's he's absolutely correct, is that people use, woke ideology as an excuse to be an asshole. And it's really just people that are assholes that are attaching themselves to things that make them feel righteous.

And so they wrap themselves in this idea to to give them virtue and to allow them to say the most awful things about other people that have different perspectives. And then just by nature, if you're doing that, you're doing the wrong thing. You're a bad person. You can justify it all you want. You can find people that agree with you all you want, but those people are also are on the right track or the wrong track rather.

The people that are listening to you and agreeing with you, they're on the wrong track. They're the wrong track if we want to be collectively a kind, compassionate, cohesive society, a community of human beings that all live together. That's totally possible. If you can do it in small groups of people, you can do it in enormous groups of people. It just has to be an ethic that gets promoted.

It has to be something that you you see people that you admire adhere to, and and you do it as well. Whenever someone goes outside of that and whenever someone starts making horrific unfounded personal attacks because someone has a different political ideology or, you know, just going after them every day all day long, like, you're just broken. You're just you're on the wrong path, period. And intelligent aware people that have control of their emotions recognize that and they're not gonna take your perspective seriously. So you're gonna be less and less effective with what you do.

And in general, the failure mode is to paint the world to draw a line between good and evil Yeah. Whether it's a line in geography, Russians, Putin is evil, or if it's Trump, Trump is evil.

Right.

The version of that is Hitler. So I'm I'm a big proponent of Solzhenitsyn's famous, the the author of Gulag Archipelago, the that the line between good and evil runs to the heart of every man, that all of us have that in us. And Yes. To be it is good to be humbled by that reality. And if you are humbled by that reality, then you're not going to see any other people as purely evil or purely good.

All of that that kind of thing is used to just to just to hate others.

Yeah. Yeah. And even when it's unfounded. You know, even, like, I'm, watching the Pete Hegseth, the the confirmation hearings. And they these ignorant people are going after his tattoo, not even knowing what the tattoo is and trying to pretend that it's some sort of radical hateful tattoo when it's just an ancient Christian tattoo.

It's so strange. I mean, that tattoo is in churches. That that symbol is in churches. That symbol is that symbol has been around for a long fucking time. It's just a Christian tattoo.

And, I was watching the Piers Morgan show, and Piers Morgan had Michael Knowles and these, 2 super wack and Dave Rubin and 2 super wacky leftist people that didn't know what the tattoo was, and they were criticizing it. And Piersmore kept on, what is the tattoo? What is it? Tell me what it and they would the guy would go, like, go on. You're not answering the question.

Go back to it. What is it? Well, let's look it up. He's like, no. No.

No. Don't look it up. I want you to tell me if you're saying it's offensive. And so then the woman chimes in, and Michael Knowles just clowns her, just absolutely knows the history of the tattoo including, like, you know, she's talking about it before it existed before Islam, you know. And she's criticizing what it is, and he's like, do do you understand that Islam didn't exist when this tattoo when this symbol existed?

Like, it's not an anti Muslim symbol because there was no Muslims when this symbol was created. Like, this is bonkers, and they're all in digging their heels in, pretending, just trying to win this conversation, just trying to win. And Piers Morgan is doing that. He's like the Jerry Springer of political ideology now. He just has people get on the show and yell each other.

It's very entertaining, and he gets great sound bites out of it. It's kinda genius in terms of, like, an engagement perspective. If you looked at your show, it's just like, how do I get more engagement? Well, that's how you do it. You get some wacky leftist, it's gonna say nutty things.

You get some right wing person's gonna say nutty things, and you get them all together yelling at each other.

I wish he did less of that. I should say that Piers Morgan, I think, is a great interviewer. Like, he's legit a great interviewer, but he also has he could put on his Jerry Springer hat on

to He's making money. Listen.

I mean

He does I mean, he does both. He does do long form great interviews, so that's

He's found his lane. Alright. His lane is Jerry Springer. But he's doing a good job exposing these people. It's very valuable.

Like, that conversation was very valuable for me because I was like, this is adorable watching this guy, like, flounder around trying to come up with a reason why this tattoo is so offensive.

Yeah. But see, what I don't like about that is that guy's floundering, but there could be actually facets to that person outside of this ridiculousness that that that's interesting.

Right. So you gotta cleanse that from your mind.

They do. If you wanna

if you wanna be the guy who's on television talking about important issues and you've got this stupid thing in your head where you're arguing about a tattoo that you don't even understand.

Yeah. Yeah.

You gotta cleanse that stupidity out of your fucking mind. And sometimes, the best way to do that is to get clowned on television. Sure. So you got exposed, she got exposed, They both look like morons. Mhmm.

And then Michael Nolis, who did a fantastic job of, like, smiling, never raising his voice, calmly explaining it. Have you seen it?

No. I haven't. That's hilarious.

See if you

can find it, Jen. It's pretty wonderful. Michael Nolis is a pro. He's a pro. The way he handled it was remarkable.

And I know people criticize that guy, but fucking people criticize everybody. I'm just saying, in this moment

Don't read the comments, Joe.

Yeah. Don't read the comments. Yeah. Yeah. Even about other people.

Right?

Well, that's the thing. I think you said that you sometimes read comments from friends of yours.

Like Yeah.

I don't even like doing that. I try not to do that too.

This is the thing that bothers me about comments is I don't read them, but, like, I don't know. My mom will read them, and she'll she'll text me something like, don't listen to what people say. It's okay.

My mom will send me things. Is this true? I'm like, mom, come on.

This is the Yeah. This is it.

This is wonderful. Watch this. The 2 people on the far right of the screen, the lady in the big jacket and the dude with the beard, they're fucked. They got cooked.

All you

could accuse Pete of is being too alert and energetic. I found it overwhelming, actually, while I was there tired trying to dust the sand out of my eyes. But, you you suggest that the graduate of Princeton and Harvard who for decades has been in the US military served his country honorably, that he's somehow unqualified to work, at the Pentagon. The the most egregious, accusation you make against him though is that he's an extremist because he has a tattoo. Could you tell us what the tattoo is?

The tattoos, specifically, I did not make the the allegation that he's an extremist. It was actually You

repeated the allegation.

So what's the tattoo? Insider threat.

Yeah. Right. So what's the tattoo?

I can tell you. It

What is this tattoo that you're so upset about? I

wasn't the 1 upset about it. I was talking about his fellow colleague. This is exactly what I said. His fellow colleague

You know what it was?

In the US army, called him out as a potential insider threat. Well, what is the tattoo? Tattoos on his chest. What is the tattoo? Also, I called him an extremist based upon his own book.

Read the book, Marissa. The tattoo? Words.

If you don't know what the tattoo is, just admit it.

Oh my lord. Listen. Which is what the

When the lady talks, it's even more brutal.

Spoken yet.

A woman hasn't spoken yet. Genuinely patient.

A woman hasn't spoken yet.

You're not answering.

A woman hasn't spoken yet. Let her speak.

A woman hasn't spoken yet.

Be honest with John. Do you

I did I did hear him answer it, but they were all talking over each other.

He was Did he say the words?

Yeah. They weren't talking about the cross. They're talking about a different tattoo. Yeah.

Well, she

is talking about that as well. Okay. She's the but it'll go on to that.

I actually know what that tattoo is or not.

Listen. What I do know, if you read his book and in his book, if you read the American crusade, in his book Wait a second. I'll be honest. Book. Be honest.

I am look.

This is Jerry Springer.

Putting a riveting. No one's criticizing the Trump.

But do you know who owns

our national security at risk for Pete Hegseth. I'm telling you everything, and you guys are finding ways to spend. Why are you guys talking to me? Asking you Who has an NDA with the woman that he allegedly sexually assaulted?

Do you know what the tattoo is? I think

that's what I said about.

No. It goes further. See if you can find where the woman's speaking because it gets even more brutal because she's incorrect, and Michael Knowles corrects her. And when he corrects her, it's fucking great.

It's it's a good way to expose.

See if you can find the

other 1, Jamie. Very narrow. I'm a change agent and a That's gonna be in here. I gotta find somewhere.

I missed the whole show. It's an hour long show.

Well We're all talking the entire time. Click right there. I'll I'll know where it is.

What is the

what is the This falls along this falls along a threat as an insider threat.

Would you imagine? To Michael.

The 2021 pegs Pete Hexyzard as a potential insider.

You had 90 8 chances to answer, and he failed the test.

There you go.

I'm going to Michael. I'm going to Michael. I don't understand. Don't talk over each other. That the Michael.

The tattoo in question. The tattoo in question is called a Jerusalem cross, that this is a medieval Christian symbol goes back a long time. In fact, at Jimmy Carter's funeral, there was a Jerusalem cross on the floor of the cathedral. And on the program for the funeral, there's 1 other tattoo that some have suggested could be extremist. It's the phrase deus volt, which is a medieval Christian slogan, a long traditional slogan that refers to, God's will, and it goes back a long way.

These are very traditional, very mainstream Christian symbols, that not only are not extreme in any way, but which even the people who want to accuse him of extremism couldn't possibly name. That is pathetic.

Alright. My brother has that.

His insider guardsmen did it, which is what I said. And, also, I said that he called himself too extreme for the US military in his book. That's pathetic.

Okay.

So you're

gonna are is Pete Hanks up lying that he's too extreme in his book?

Let me go to Julie. He's been waiting for He's

too extreme for radical leftist.

Let me go to Julie. Is he lying? He's static. Is he lying?

Be be gentlemanly, please. We have a lady who's not spoken. Julie, be waiting very patiently. Your view of this. I I'll tell you what, but before you answer

you say?

I know you said in your substack about this, under normal circumstances, he, Pete Hageeft, would be precluded from serving in any leadership role. So explain why you why you said that.

Well, let me I I will explain in 1 second. Let me go back to something that was said in the very beginning that he spent more than 10 years at Fox News, and that's what qualifies him to be in, in this position that he wants to be in. I spent more than 10 years at Fox News. I don't think I'm qualified to run the DOD whatsoever based on my time,

Fox News.

That was 1 of

the things.

If if you if you well, I don't think that's even a remote qualification. That's 1.

Being able to

communicate ideas as the secretary of defense and explain policy is actually

a very big part of the deal. There are plenty there are plenty of qualified Republicans out there who can run the DOD, who also are good on television. It does not need to be Pete Hegseth. Secondly, again, you talked about NDAs. I am bound by an NDA at Fox News.

If I were not bound by an NDA and if Fox News wanted to release me from that NDA, I could tell you about my time with Pete Hegseth. Unfortunately, that's not possible. But I will say that the reason that there are so many people who anonymously came forward at Fox News is that because they're also bound by confidentiality provisions, which 1 third of all American workers need to sign on their 1st day of work. And they if they were to go public, they could get sued. The reason this accuser is not heard from is because according to the New Yorker, she tried desperately to meet with Joni Ernst on the committee, and Joni Ernst turned her down.

So the reason that she has not been able to come out publicly is because she has an NDA and even privately, she could not meet with a senator on this committee who's also a rape survivor to share her story because that rape survivor did not wanna hear from a woman who was going to put her potentially in a position to vote against Pete Hegseth. Pete Hegseth has written himself while at Princeton saying that women who are passed out, if you have sex with them while they're unconscious, that's not really rape. Right? Now the American military Was that written somewhere? Tremendous.

I don't know.

It doesn't sound true, but yeah.

Yeah. It's hard to say, but scoot ahead to where they just start discussing the tattoo.

I don't I don't know where it's gonna go.

It's it's in the same flow. It's not that far away. This is definitely not a good format though.

No. Assault. Well,

at least they're letting her talk.

You can just go have your way with that.

Not really.

So I don't know which soldiers you've been talking to who think Pete Hegseth is a great thing for the military. There are not there's not 1 woman out there who cares about being assaulted on deployment, who thinks that this is the person that needs to be in charge of the United States military. And as for the cross that you talked about, yes, Danus Volt, which is the cross that he has and the slogan that he has

Danus Volt is a

is an old Christian cross. The part the part the phrase, excuse me, the phrase. The phrase, however, was uttered by crusaders as they were slaughtering Jews and Muslims during the second crusade specifically. So it's not just a random cross. That that isn't a random cross.

That isn't a random phrase.

It isn't a phrase. The phrase that that is true. It is phrase the phrase was uttered after the Council of Claremont when pope Urban the second declared the crusade. It was actually probably Dieu Le Voul, but it's it's been rendered in Latin as day was full. It has nothing to do

with slaughtering And you're telling

me with slaughtering Muslims because the Muslims had invaded Europe, not the other way around.

Oh my god. Are you really are you really saying that the reason the crusade, which was sent to the holy land, to liberate the holy land, from whom? From Jews and Muslims.

The the crusade

would be the I'll

tell you why the crusade the crusade began because the eastern emperor asked for help from the, Western pope because the Seljuk Turks were slaughtering Christians in the holy land. Because those lands were Christian before the, Muslims invaded in the 7th century. So that's why.

No. No.

No. Those lands were those lands were gonna say. I'm sorry. Alexa. Those those lands those those lands

No. No. Keep going.

They came those lands became Christian after the first crusade. Okay? So let's be very clear.

The lands were Christian.

For the kingdom 2nd. I know. And then the the Muslims have I couldn't

Islam didn't exist before the 7th century. What are you talking about?

Okay. I could listen. See? Listen. I can go all the way once I talk about the crusades, but the point is I can also just remind her that

I'm not fascinated.

For people.

For people's sake. But what

that has but what that has to do with what that has to do with Pete Hegseth is it's not that he has a random cross that talks about his faith in Jesus Christ. He used a very specific terminology. But putting all of that

fact to defend persecuted Christians in the Middle East just like they're being persecuted today.

Okay. If if if if

okay. If you wanna talk about the state as the secretary of defense.

Wonderful. The Yes. I love your defense.

You wanna talk about the crusade. About the crusade.

Finish your point, and

I'll go I'll go to Michael, to to, to thank

you so much. My my point is that I cannot even I cannot even believe that something the Vatican apologized for is something that you're defending, which is the slaughter of the Muslims during the crusades.

What what did the Vatican

apologize for? The Vatican said the crusade. Talking. Oh my Jesus. You know what?

Why don't you why don't you give me a call after this, and I will walk you through exactly. A choice. But if you wanna talk about but if you wanna talk

about it

We'll do a separate crusade debate another time. Let me bring, Dave Rubin in.

The worst way to have conversations.

It's the

worst way

to have conversations.

It's the worst way to have conversations. It's the worst way to have conversations. It's the worst. I mean,

I'm getting a headache from this. Like, fuck fuck these people. Fuck all fuck that whole panel. I'm sorry. But, like,

you can't you can't

talk like this. Each of those individual people, I'm not sure about this second guy from even even the woman would be a fascinating 4 or 5 hour conversation.

Chill. You

should probably have her on.

Yeah. And well, HER and McEnoles and Yeah. And Piers Morgan. Yes. Yeah.

This is not the right and I'm so exhausted as fucking bullshit. I know. I can't. I'm I'm, like, angry right now. Yeah.

I know. I

wanna I

wanna play more for you. This own publish the column saying sex with unconscious women isn't rape. Jesus. Imagine not just thinking that but publishing it.

Yeah. I mean

What did he actually say?

If you wanna read it, we can read it. What rape in quotes? Intercourse.

The musing yet mandatory orientation program revolved entirely around whether in an instance of sexual intercourse constituted rape, The actual instance portrayed in the skit was in fact was a skit? In fact, not a clear case of rape, at least not in my home state. So this is Hexxus saying this. In short, though intercourse was not consented to, there was no duress because the girl drank herself into unconsciousness. Both criteria must be satisfied for rape.

Unfortunately, the panel has never cited any legal definition of rape. Yet, the panel, all females in the session I attended, claimed that rape it was. What year was this? I have not. So are they talking about this is what's confusing.

Are they talk it says a skit, and then it says they're talking about a legal definition of rape. Has the legal definition changed over the years? Like, when when was this? Is he talking about a legal definition or is he talking about his own opinion? Right?

There's a giant difference between the 2 of them. Right? Especially, if you take it something out of context, you don't know if he elaborated. Article for his college newspaper saying that having sex with unconscious women isn't rape because the criteria for rape isn't met. So this is in his college newspaper.

So how old is he? Is he, like, 50? How old is Pete Hegseth?

Yeah. He's up there. Right?

Which is really weird to think that

44. College would have been around 2000 ish.

Well, yeah. I remember in 2000 ish, I remember when we were doing the podcast, there was a brief moment of time where people were talking about, if a man had sex with a woman and they had both been drinking that it was rape, that the woman could not consent because she was drunk, but the man's drunk too. Right? So it gets weird. It gets like we understand, like, traditionally men are pursuing women and that plying someone with alcohol is a famous thing that people do.

It's kind of a weird legal thing. Come on, 1 more drink. Have another drink. Have another drink. And we all know that when people get drunk, they do stupid shit.

But we don't know what happened if you're both drunk, you know. So this is what I'm getting at is that 2,000 these conversations are already being had. The question is, like, is he saying this from his personal perspective or is he saying it from a legal perspective? I don't know what else was in the text, you know. I'm trying to be as charitable as possible because if, like, Moore was in it, like, that's a reprehensible act.

That's like did he say anything like that? Or was it just specifically talking about the legal definition? Because he said in his state. Right?

Also, it says to be clear, he did not write it himself. He published it. Oh. That's what this is. So in short, Haggis said did not publish.

I'll pop it up on the screen. He did not or did publish such a column while he held the role

He did not write it himself.

He did not write it. It was written by someone else.

Okay. So he just published someone's opinions. Okay. That's very different. That's very different.

That's very, very, very different. She she said he said that. That's not what he said at all. That would see that right there

I'm just so exhausted.

That's exhausting.

Both, like, over the thing about Trump with both sides.

But that right there is crazy because I my opinion of him shifted briefly when I was like you know, I was watching Daniel Negrono, you know, the great poker player, was on Tim Pool's show.

Yeah.

And they were talking about his shift in political ideologies and then a lot of it came from when they were accusing Trump of saying that thing that Obama repeated falsely during the campaign was that he was talking about, white nationalists and Neo Nazis and saying there's very fine people on both sides. And Negreanu had heard that. He had heard the clip where Trump said it, where it was edited. He had never seen the full thing. And then once he saw the full thing, he was like, what the fuck?

And it immediately made him realize like, oh, my god. They're lying. They're lying. And then he talked about how Obama repeated. This is years after Daniel had known it was false.

Obama repeating it at the campaign speeches. And then Obama sitting right next to Trump and they're joking around with each other. Mhmm. Hey, pal. I know you're a Neo Nazi lover, you fucking rascal.

I had you win. I guess but just what that lady did on that show, and then when we find out that Hegseth didn't actually write that, he just published it. You know, and he published it in college as a 20 year old or whatever he was.

I I think there should be also room for that lady to then change her her mind and apologize.

Because a

lot of us pair it a lot of us pair it, including probably you and I. Never. Yeah. How dare you? Pair it bullshit we see online.

Yeah. Of course.

And then we should give each other room to, like Yeah. Say I fucked up.

But people don't wanna say that. This is what they have to understand. Even people I don't like, listen to me. It's their strength in that. It's better than digging your heels in.

There's strength in saying I was uninformed or I was misinformed, I fucked up. I've said it before, it's important to do. You gotta do it because you can't have you can't have an erroneous idea in your head and repeat it over and over again. You can't have an incorrect false opinion that you have defended, and now you can't ever accept even with new information that shows that it's not true.

I should also say, because it's fucking sitting in my head, on this topic, I'm probably gonna do, like, a 5 plus hour interview with Jack Weatherford on Genghis Khan.

Oh.

And I read his book. Alright. And I don't I'm not proud of the way I formulated my for the

fuck of it. In the

beginning of it?

In the beginning, I'm still bothered by the looseness with which I talked about rape. There is I and I don't think I have in me the eloquence or the skill to improve on that. I think in general, it's trying to find the right words Well, here's to describe the historic the historically accurate thing, the data that we have, and then the narratives. I think the point Jack Weatherford makes is that we keep oscillating back and forth on Genghis Khan. Mhmm.

He's won, like, this epic great conqueror. Like, currently, Alexander the Great has that good vibes all around him. Nobody talks about him as a horrible human. Horrible human. Yeah.

But, currently, Genghis Khan has this kind of a barbarian Yeah. Evil, just rapist.

Well, they're so good at it. They were so good at murder. They were so good at war. I mean, they're so uniquely good at military strategy.

So it's it's about always kept the army to about a 100,000. It's small. So it's a 100,000 horse. Each soldier had 5 horses, so 4 spare horses with them. So imagine it's 500,000 horse.

Use their blood to to fuel them. Yeah. They they would use their own.

Food. So it's very portable. They're not bringing Right. Logistically, the whole I mean, this isn't just imagine this Armada moving Mhmm. At, like, you can they can move, like, 50 miles a a day, this entire army, and they and they don't have to follow the roads, which all the military would follow the roads.

So you can go around. You can surround. You can and they did the as as you know, they can retreat Mhmm. Feign retreat Mhmm. And then attack from the sides.

Yep. It's the blitz blitzkrieg. It's the

Genius stuff.

And a lot of people, including Dan Collins, said it's the the greatest military in history. It would defeat every single military, including Napoleon with the muskets and everything. Yeah. They would destroy Napoleon. And then, of course, in the 20th century

You know what they didn't defeat? Samurais.

Right. But they never really fought. They did. They twice, they fought, but it's not a real battle.

These guys are fucking crazy. They thought they were crazy. These guys were, like, practicing their whole lives for 1 on 1 combat with swords.

I as far as I know, they never really had a full on battle. I wish they did.

There were some battles. There was battles on an island, 1 of the islands outside of Japan, but the Japanese successfully held off the Mongols. And they were, like, 1 of the only civilizations to ever pull that off.

I think 1 of the issues with Mongols, except Kublai Khan, is they were not good with water. They didn't know how to the ship thing was not good.

What a

big mistake. Well, they imagine if they got as good with water as they were with horses. That would've been a real problem.

Well, a lot of things they had advantage on. Like, for example, they can ride on ice. And so How'd they do that? They it's they in in Mongolia, they these people, like,

ride horses. Different horseshoes? Did they even shoe their horses back then?

No.

I don't think so. Really? No. No. No.

It's all like, they don't have, like When

did they start shoeing horses?

That's a good question. It but that doesn't feel like a mongol thing. I mean, is it Right. If it doesn't can ride the the the mountain archery

Yeah. No. No. I'm sure you

know about this.

The mountain archery is so insane. They would they have the ability to hang off the side of the horse, so they would shoot from under the horse's neck. So they were completely defended by the horse and they were shooting arrows and their bows were a £160.

Mhmm.

So you had to be in they said that a lot of the skeletons they find from that era, their bones are deformed because your whole body has just been pulling a £160 with your right arm or your left arm, like your whole life. So your right side is like insanely muscled and your bones are all twisted and thicker and denser tendons and everything, because they've been doing that since they were children. They were

They start out at, like, 2 years old.

Yeah. Insanely formidable army. Insanely formidable. But here's something to take into consideration when we're saying, about what how Genghis Khan's genes were genes were spread. But but but just right off the bat, it's all awful, all horrible.

I wish no 1 ever got killed by anybody ever. It's all off. All war is hell. All of it. All is hell.

There was so much of it going on throughout human history that women would there was a survival mechanism in accepting this conqueror as your new husband when he slaughtered your husband. It's the only way your genes passed on. So these women were able I mean, even if they said they fell in love with him, you know, even if they did marry him, even if they were happy to marry him, there was, like, almost an evolutionary requirement because we slaughtered each other so much that if you wanted your genes to pass on, you had to accept the slaughter of your former mate.

And then in modern day society, we will call that rape. Right. But it's it's a it's a we have to use different words for that time

Right.

Because there is rape where it's, like, violent rape as part of war, as part of a mechanism of of terror.

I think even as just part of society up until, like, a few 1000 years ago or even a few 100 years ago. I think human beings, you know, like, I've had a bunch of friends who've served overseas, and the stories they tell from Afghanistan, especially with the child raping, it's fucking bone curdling. Like, you you blood curdling just, like, you just wanna leave the room when they're talking. You don't even wanna hear this. You don't wanna think that this is happening, and it's happening

right now because it's an old culture.

It's an old culture, and it's separate from the rest of the world. It's very remote, very difficult to access. You have warlords and herders who are living in these nomadic tribes to this day. Not much different than when Alexander the Great conquered it.

So I I should say that Genghis Khan, from everything I understand, was was not progressive, but he was very pragmatic. This is why he All religions. All religions. Yes. Which is Thomas Jefferson, I should say, deeply admired Genghis Khan for this, the freedom of religion.

And he didn't just say freedom of religion. It's freedom of an individual to practice any religion they want, which is a it's like individualism. It's a it's a really revolutionary badass idea for that time, for that place.

Well, he was he recognized strength and the the value of accepting strength and taking and there's strength in unity, there's strength in community. If people can worship whatever they want, but I'll be united under 1 banner, is it's better than dividing everybody.

Like, in the feminist thing that I mentioned, he would put women in power. Why? Is he a feminist? No. He understood that women are able to men conquer better in his perspective and women rule better because they keep a stable society.

Mhmm. So he would do he would, marry a woman to the king of the place and then send the king off to fight, the ruler to fight, knowing for sure he's going to die. But the woman is not ruling, and then there's a lot of, like, progressive things about like, they were allowed to show their face, especially in the in the Persian lands where they conquered. Like, they're allowed to wear these fancy headdresses and which is, you

know They could floss a little. Yeah. She's got excited about

that. Exactly. New rules. And the other thing, you know,

on

the this is the the the the tricky thing is the the Mongolian tribes where Genghis Khan came up, by the way, came up from nothing. Father slaughtered. I mean, this is a Yeah. From nothing. The they all that was a common practice to steal wives, to steal women.

Yeah.

And the Well, he had 1

of his wives stolen, and she came back pregnant.

That was like the, origin story. The origin story of Genghis Khan, right, is like his the love of his life who was married to him for his whole life that he, proposed or he said you're gonna we're gonna marry at 9 years old. She was kidnapped, and he had to raise an army in order to rescue her back. That's the that was the, the the the sort of the the the split in the road. He would have been a normal Mongol, but here he has to raise an army to rescue her back.

Wow. And then he realized he's really fucking good at this whole rescue. But it started with, you know That's

It's a it's a real story. You know what?

What's what I could find is that the horses were unshoed. Unshoed. But they did do something that this says here they used some sort of skin to cover it. Interesting.

Allow to dry in place in order to acquire the shape of a hoof, perfect the technique to cover the hoof, which offered greater abilities in their armies to move faster and more efficiently than their opponents. Interesting.

Porseshoes were around for at least 2 or 300 years before them, so they probably knew about them.

Skins. That's interesting. What you're saying about him developing the ability and, like, really, hey, I'm really good at this. Do you know that's exactly what happened with the Somali pirates?

Do you

know the Somali pirates origin story?

No.

The Somali pirates called themselves the people's coast guard of Somalia. They were they were defending their waters against Europeans dumping toxic waste in the ocean. They were fishermen. Mhmm. So they had found that these ships were dumping water and killing all their fish and say that these motherfuckers, we're gonna hold them responsible.

So they boarded these ships, kidnapped them, and said, hey, you have to pay us. We've lost all this money from all our fish. We don't have any fish. Give us money or we'll kill these motherfuckers. And they gave the money, and they said, hey, let's start kill kidnapping people.

Like, this is this is way better. And then, you know, there's obviously there's a narcotic aspect to it because of cat, because the widespread use of this, narcotic cat, which is like an amphetamine that they is it a leaf, k h a t? That's like, you know, the guy on the boat. Look. Look at me.

I am the captain now. That guy's cracked out. I mean, they're all real skinny.

And what's really important in that dynamic is who is the leader that emerges. That's the interesting thing about Genghis Khan. He became super powerful. That person could have been, incompetent. Genghis Khan could have been a bunch of different people.

Right. He instilled 1 of the really revolutionary things as meritocracy. Right. By the way, he appointed his kids. Several people, including Marcus Aurelius, wrote fancy, you know, meditations.

He he failed as a emperor by appointing his kids. The ever before him, the 5 emperors all appointed based generals based on merit. Right? So, Genghis Khan always appointed based on merit. Who's the best person here to to lead the the the the groups, which is a revolutionary idea for the time because it was usually based on kin with, like, your relationship, your brothers, your sisters, your your father, so on.

That was really important. And the the other thing I mentioned is about the tribes, the origin story, is, everybody would kidnap and actual rape the the women. They would steal women in the Mongol Empire. As soon as he won over the entire original Mongolia, he banned. That was a strict rule.

There's no kidnapping of wise. That was a rule for Mongolia, and that rule propagated everywhere.

That's wild. It's like, this is what got us into this shit.

Yeah. So which is 1 of the pieces of evidence where they're like it's like there there was a lot of cracking down on the the whole rape thing, but there's a caveat of, like, well, why is there so many dead bodies where, like, the atmosphere changed? Yeah.

Why is the carbon footprint different than the human race during the time that he was alive? But it's that it's interesting because we also have to look at things in a perspective of living in the year 1200. Or what is it? 1200 forties? Like, what when was he around?

I should know this 12 or 13. So Yeah.

Well well, Jamie will find out. It's so you have to it's very hard to do, and it's not apologized for these people. I'm not, like, saying that we should apply the way they looked at the world today. I think the way we look at the world is infinitely better, and we're moving in an infinitely better direction. And I think we have, like, large extremes that go in 1 direction and things push back in the other direction too far.

There's an overcorrection, and then they balance out. I think we're generally moving in a direction of a more kind, more peaceful society. I think we're better. That said, 1200 years ago, the world was hell. There was no newspapers.

No 1 could read. Okay? Where did you get your information from? You got your information from priests and from generals and, you know, you shared information of your farmers. You'd you the world was horrific.

People fought with bows and arrows and cannons and catapults, and murder was commonplace. If you were 12 years old, you probably seen a few people killed already. It was a different time to be alive. Diseases would kill everybody. There was no medicine.

You broke your leg, you're dead. You know, you you get infected, you're dead. It was just the world was a very, very different place. It was so so dangerous and so fucking terrifying, and people relied on their base instincts and their the the worst aspects of humanity. They relied on that to survive because that was all around you.

You had to become a monster if you wanted to live in monstrous times.

And that's why the rule of law had to be enforced in a brutal way. Yeah. 1 of the really powerful things he did is protect merchants, people that traded. Yeah. If you fuck with people that trade that that that on the Silk Road, you're going to get slaughtered.

Yeah. It's not like there's going to be a process. You get slaughtered.

Yeah.

In fact, 1 of the 1 of the reasons, I hesitate to say this because people are projecting to the future, but he slaughtered he took Kyiv and slaughtered people because they broke the rule of, I forget the term for this, but the people that are sent out to communicate, before the battle starts

Ambassadors.

And the ambassadors. The rule is you don't fuck with them. Yeah. And the, Kievan residents killed them. And that's where the you break the rule.

Yeah.

It's like, that's it. Then it's total war.

Mhmm.

And you had to do that. I mean, you don't have to do that, but that is 1 of the

Well, if you're living back then, you have to do that.

And and then then you look at, like but the result is complete slaughter. And by the way, thank you for, rescuing me for I said a bunch of stupid shit, and you're adding more complexity and depth and nuance and

Well, we just got started.

You know, I love you I love you too.

I love you to death, man. You know how you, when you begin a podcast, you know, I don't know if you're you're like this, but for me, I gotta get cooking, you know. Sometimes I that's 1 of the reasons why I like to talk to people. I like to talk sometimes, like, 15 minutes even before we go on air. The danger is they're gonna say something and I'm gonna ask them to repeat it.

I don't want that. So sometimes, I'll come in hot and I'm like, let's just go right now. But your brain your you don't know we're gonna talk about the Mongols and rape. Right? And so then all of a sudden, you were in this very intense conversation, about the responsibility you have as a podcaster, which is a crazy thing to say, but you do.

You have probably more responsibility than anybody. And then this subject comes up in the middle of that. And then you well, you're like,

And before that, we were joking about ejaculating in space.

Yeah. That's how we started it. Yeah. Bro, I mean, we used to have open up some of the most serious conversations this podcast ever had with a Fleshlight ad. Really?

Their early days of the podcast, that was the only sponsor we had. So it's like, you know, this is again you reacting to criticism. Right? So it's like the fear of the criticism of you yourself knowing you could have done a better job of explaining that had you prepared something, which is really the difference between off the cuff conversations and, like, your your actual well considered thoughts on things expressed in the best way possible, which is what you would do if you're gonna write it out, if you're gonna write a substack piece about it.

Well, 1 of the things I'm trying to do for myself personally, I think a lot of people have to do this when young kids have to do this, is figure out how to create, like, a psychological framework where I'm not affected by the Internet. It sounds like ridiculous to say, but you say you don't read the comments, but they they they get they come at you. Like, they they you'll Yeah. They'll find their way, and I need to you

But you it doesn't work. Nobody to nobody's good at it. Even Elon's not good at it. Just post and ghost. Post and ghost.

Post things that you think are interesting and just get out of there. Don't read stuff about yourself. Someone said this, I think it was Anthony Hopkins. He was talking about someone's opinion of him. He said, that doesn't concern me.

No. Was it Anthony Hopkins? I think it was. But he was like, their opinions of me are not my business.

But let's let's add to this little puzzle. What if a bunch of your friends say you're getting canceled online? By the way, Tucker Carlson is good at this. He doesn't read anything. Yeah.

He doesn't even have social media. Yeah. I know. I always wanna send him things. Like, these motherfuckers don't even

look at this.

What if, like, all your friends have read the thing, right, like, that your or your parents or so on, your loved ones. Like, and there the the thing could be just a bunch of lies about

you. Sure.

Like, what that's a that like, for me, that's a little bit of a tricky thing.

Well, that's not something you should ignore. Right? If you wanna make a statement, there's nothing wrong with that. What I'm saying is don't regularly regularly engage in people's opinions of the product that you put out.

Yeah.

I don't think it's healthy for you because I think first of all, this is you you know, I've said this before. I'm only kind of joking, but I'm kinda serious. Most people commenting are losers. Sorry. If you're doing it all the time and you're doing it in a negative way all the time, this is not everybody.

There's a lot of, like, really well thought out commentary on YouTube videos that I see on if occasionally I'll read someone's Instagram page and I'll read my friend's comments. Some people are brilliant. Don't get me wrong. But it is a haven for fuckheads. It's a place where people can go and just try to insult people and say the most negative thing possible.

And they generally I think there's generally a lot of, like, dull minded people that gravitate towards the negativity. You know, where that differs is Christians, which is interesting. Like, a lot of, like, low wattage Christians are still super nice. Mhmm. You know, and they'll just praise Jesus and look for forgiveness, the real ones, Right?

Which is a great thing that we should all aspire to.

Yeah. Like, the default state is super nice.

Yes. Default state. What you're supposed to do if you really follow Jesus' teaching is, like, be completely nonviolent and be a beautiful person and love everybody like it's your brother. Brother. That's that's what he wants.

That's like, you know, and if you follow that. But there's just too many assholes and too many disgruntled people out there that have terrible lives. You know, the most men lead lives of quiet desperation, the Thoreau line that I fucking love so dearly. It's such a great line. That's so true and maybe even more true today because of the unnatural world in which we're thrust in.

So not only are people doing things that they hate most of the time, but they're also engaging with their phone more than they are with people. So they're engaging in this very bizarre nonphysical way that is detached from any human interaction, detached from emotions, eye contact, the feel of being with someone, the the back and forth of a conversation between 2 people. Like, if you and I were gonna disagree about something, if there was, like, some political thing or some social thing that you and I disagreed about, we could sit and just I wanna know why you think the way you think. Like, I wanna know. Like, if you think a thing and I disagree with it, the first thing I wanna know is and this is not something I always had, I got way better at this in my life as I've gotten older and had more conversations with people.

You gotta, like, absolutely know what this person thinks. Don't, like, attack it, don't twist it around. Don't distort it. You have to kinda steel man it. You have to be as charitable to that position as possible.

And then occasionally, when you find things that you disagree with, you have to stop and you have to say, okay. Here's my problem with this, and it has to be done in good faith. You have to be doing it not to win. You have to be doing it to figure out what's right. And everybody's so fucking attached to their opinions and their ideology that most of the time, most conversations are had where 1 person, at least on social media, 1 person is trying to win.

You were trying to win all the time. You're playing this stupid game. It's a dumbass game where everybody's a loser.

But we just watched the Piers Morgan thing.

That's the same thing.

It clearly pulled in your attention. I love it. Aware of it. Yeah. See, you love it.

You're you're the you're part of the problem, Joe.

Oh, 100%. Yeah. I'm a huge part of the problem. You're Don't get me wrong.

Meaning you're

a human being.

Well, yeah. Well, also, like, how much, do I contribute to people wasting their time? TikTok reels, like, Instagram reels, Twitter things. How many fucking Twitter articles get written about every stupid thing I said? I mean, for 3 days, dragon believer was trending.

Just because some wacky old lady

thinks I believe in dragons. But this is just the the nature of the world. I love that aspect of the Internet. I love the wacky shit.

Yeah.

Even the Ukraine war footage, which is horrible, what it's doing is giving you a more nuanced version of the world. And some of it's not good, like, I watched a video today of a guy who got killed by a tiger. Well, he didn't get killed by a tiger, he got torn apart by a tiger. The wounds, man. The wounds.

So this guy, like, I didn't think, like, what would a tiger do to you if a tiger bit your you wanna see?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You do. I know you do.

Because I'm

You're sitting here a little curious. I'm switching over to Android, buddy.

Welcome.

Yeah. I

I just have a few more steps that I have to do before, I switch over, and I'm gonna try to communicate only, with, encrypted apps from now on.

Thanks, Whatsapp, Samuel.

It's just sort of like, limiting, Twitter replies to registered accounts. Mhmm. You know, to Yeah. Yeah.

You know how people like

to do that? I'm gonna try to do that. I'm gonna try to use WhatsApp for everything. I was gonna use Signal, but

Yeah. I don't know. The people that use Signal, I don't know. That I don't It's

it's seems too secret squirrel.

I don't even know what that means, but yeah.

You know, like, you're a spy of using Signal. I use it, though. I use it all the time. I don't I mean, I'm totally being hypocritical here. What was I looking at?

Oh, the tiger thing. Bro, this one's rough. This one's rough. This is, Tom Segura. I sent it to him today.

Tom Segura and I send each other every day the worst shit that we could find on the Internet. And it has been, like, legitimately, it's been 1 of the worst aspects of modern life for me. It's like every fucking day me and Tom are sending each other, guys getting killed by assassins.

Nice.

It's every day. It's there's so many footage, so many videos of cartel members whacking people, like, after a while, you're like, holy shit. I don't know if I could do this anymore. Like, every day someone's getting run over by a truck. Every day.

And you're that's so here it is. So this guy, they're shooting at the give me some volume so I can hear this. So they shot at the Tigers just before this because this guy had been bitten up. And so see they're shooting at him right now? And the Tigers like, no, bitch.

And the Tigers just biting down this guy. So there's so this is what the guy looked like. This is his wounds.

Wow. He's not dead.

Bro. Look at his head. I mean, his bone is exposed.

Always moving.

Yeah. No. He's alive, dude.

What the fuck?

Look at his face. Watch this show his face. So this guy climbed into a wildlife enclosure. Those were not wild tigers. It was, they were, you know, I don't wanna say tamed.

They're not tamed, but there's some in some way, at least minimized in their effectiveness. Is that you know, our buddy Paul sent me that. Paul Rosalie sent me that.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that this does remind me of the jungle.

Yeah. Our our our our our buddy Paul is fearless. He's a bad motherfucker.

Yeah.

Paul Rosalie is a bad motherfucker.

Mhmm.

That guy is literally putting his money where his mouth is, where his life is, trying to save the Amazon, like, living in it, helping people, you know, hiring people to guard it, taking people that were chopping the the wood, chopping the trees down, and then giving them a new job to protect the trees. It's fucking amazing.

And feel and he feels the pain. Like, he literally, like, physically feels the pain of lost trees.

He sent me something. I don't even know if I'm allowed to talk about it, but I'll if if we're not, I'll edit it out afterwards. But he sent me a video. I can't show the video, but he sent me a video of an uncontacted tribe that he discovered. Yeah.

Did you did he send you that? Yeah. Fucking insane. Mhmm. Yeah.

It's insane. Complete uncontacted tribe naked in the forest, 100 of them. And they're they're, like, pushing these boats filled with bananas out to them to give them food.

The the reason we could probably talk about the they they try not to show it so that people don't show up and try to find them.

Exactly.

You wanna kinda protect them.

Exactly. That's why I

don't know

if we could even talk about it. But he has brought up the uncontacted tribes before on the show, and 1 of his friends was murdered by 1. 1 of the tribes, he was, these guys drop off food to these people. 1 day, they're like, you know what? Enough.

Wap. Mhmm. I'm just gonna kill you. Fuck you. I don't trust you.

Yeah. We, we hung out. We talked to to to a guy that that works with Paul's that has, like, a scar from from a spear.

Jeez.

Yeah. Jesus, bro.

At least a 100 uncontacted groups in the rainforest.

Unbelievable, man. They're living like they

were living the 20000 years ago. Mhmm. Maybe even more, you know, completely uncontacted. That is that is to me 1 of the most fascinating aspects of human life today. It's not just that we're on the verge of quantum computing and AI becoming sentient.

It's that a we're coexisting at the same time with people that have a completely subsistence based lifestyle with the the stuff that's around them. Mhmm. You know, stone tools, literally, pointed sticks for spears, that they've been doing this for thousands and thousands of years, and they're living at the same time as smartphone addiction.

Not only that, those people probably their roots go they could be the original civilization. I mean, I I I believe that there is

Look at that. Isn't that crazy? Look at those people. That is so wild.

Taken in June, I think.

Man, that would be so if you could just be a fucking fly on the wall and observe that life, like, without interfering somehow, so just remotely, god, that would be so incredible.

You would

be doing what the aliens are doing right now.

I think that is what they're doing. I think it's real similar. I really do.

Yeah.

I think, if you just looked at the natural progression of human beings and what we're talking about with quantum computing and AI and the technological innovations that are without doubt gonna hit us like a tsunami over the next 20 years, 30 years, whatever it is. We what what are we gonna become? We're gonna become what they are, the same kind of thing. And if there was a planet that had something like us that's emerging and just figuring out how to split the atom and, you know, and still involved in tribal warfare. A primate that's still involved with tribal warfare, but now has nuclear bombs.

That's us. Also, dick pics. Also, you know, also OnlyFans. Also, you know, just massive social media addicts all over the the entire planet while we're engaging in tribal warfare with hypersonic weapons. So they would be studying us the same way we're studying these folks.

Same thing, you know. When we find out a guy got hit with a spear, like, oh, fuck. What happened? These people are crazy. Like, you gotta be careful.

Like, when Paul was saying that they were there and they realized that the tribe was close, like, they were starting to hear things,

and

they they realized they're probably being hunted, and they just got the fuck out of there as quick as they could. That's terrifying. I do not wanna wake up to a news on my feed that Paul Rosalie got killed by

an uncontact. Well, he's, I mean, that guy leaps into adventure.

I was

like, I've gotten the chance to hang out with him, and it's great. There's there's certain people. I haven't met many people like him on the in the way that you've described, but also in the way where he sees, Elon is a little bit like this, actually. It like, he sees the opportunity for adventure, and he just leaps into it. There's not like a deep, deliberate process of strategy and planning and so on.

It's just something pulls at him, and that's a really fun person to be with. But couple that with just extreme confidence. Like, he's good at surviving. Yeah. He's he's just he's, he's he's good at taking risks and good at surviving.

And that's, so, like, the the uncontacted tribes or the crazy shit we did in the jungle just, like, getting lost and have almost dying, all that kind of stuff like

that. A really nice guy.

Super nice.

A really nice guy, and it's just like there's something to that. He's an actual good person. He's really doing this for a good cause.

Yeah. Yeah. And, it's not just the the the Amazon rainforest. He's also going to Africa and, India and sort of, trying to save nature. I mean, like, I mean, you go out hunting.

The the forest is a bit different than, like, the the the Amazon rainforest. Their life is a lot different. It's, like, real intense. Like, there's a lot.

You're in the middle of a soup of life.

Mhmm. When you have that much life, just think about the amount of insects. Mhmm. The you around it, the buzzing at night. Explain that, what that sounds like.

Yeah. It's an it's an orchestra. I mean, it's millions of little organisms and

if you just Screaming. There's no silence at night.

Oh, yeah. They're all fucking They're

all screaming and fucking and killing each other? Yeah.

You know?

And it's all life eats life all around you. It's life eating life. And with 1 1

of the ways to experience that is the sound. The other way is just standing there. Stuff starts crawling on you pretty quickly. So and you get Did

you get bit by a bullet ant?

No. But, you know, step very close to it. There's a lot I mean

I wanna get bit by 1.

In in the context here, I would love to get bit by 1.

Would you do it on the podcast?

If we brought

him bullet dance? Let's go. Yeah. So You have to take a day off of everything else, I think.

What are you, pussy?

I think you do. I think you don't wanna be interviewing some person about AI just sweating. Just sweating in agony.

I think

Everybody likes to think they have, like, super high pain tolerance. You know that about men? It's fun. Fuck. Men always like to think, oh, man.

I got got fucking crazy paint orange.

Yeah. Meanwhile, they don't Women have a much higher

Much higher.

Paint orange.

You know what's the highest? Red headed women.

Oh, that explains a lot. I don't

this is up for debate, but I sent Jamie something recently. Do you remember that thing I sent you? So we were talking about on the podcast multiple times because I had read that that they had a higher pain threshold. I'm like, that's weird. I wonder why.

Well well, because everybody's been fucking with gingers forever. They've been beating their ass. They're like an MMA guy who's got 2 older brothers, you know. They're fucking they can take it. The scariest MMA fighters have older brothers who used to beat them up because they're ready to fucking throw down all the time.

Like, the scariest guys or or abusive stepdad, those 2.

Oh, yeah.

That makes a scary guy or abusive father. The guys that I know that are the fucking scariest, they had, abusive dads. They had people that beat them up when they were young. They just get fucking used to going, just ready to go. They don't have a fear of going.

They wanna go. They wanna go all the time. Let's fucking go. Mhmm. Like, they've just been there's no way to survive.

If you're a kid and you have a a brother who's 4 years old and your dad is a raging alcoholic and he beats your mom in front of you and your brother beats your ass too, like, fuck, man. You better be hard or you're not gonna make it. There's no pillow to cry into, man. You gotta fight your brother. He's 4 years older than you.

He might knock you out today. He knocked you out last week. He laughs at you when you're on your back.

Yeah. I mean, not to return to the topic, but Genghis Khan murdered his older brother Yeah. Because he's picking on him.

He stole his fish.

Stole his fish.

Yeah. He said, fuck you. Shot him with the bow and arrow. The mom freaked out.

Yeah.

Called him a monster. Yeah. She was right. Well, also, you learn how to kill your brother when you're you know, was he 6?

Wasn't he? Yeah. Something like that.

Something like that.

Yeah. Like this He gets married at 9.

Yeah. You're getting off on the wrong foot.

And conquers an empire at 16.

But they didn't expect you to live past 30. You know? If you got to 30, you were an old fuck back then.

Meanwhile, he lived, like, into his sixties 80.

He lived really long, and he was consulting with monks because he was trying to figure out how to live longer, how to live forever. He was like, you know, he felt the iron ebbing from his blood. He felt the body weaken. He wanted to visit today beyond TRT. It'd be fucking great.

He was. His kids are kinda disappointing. I mean, this, like Well, of course. Yeah.

Isn't that always the case? Yeah. That's the thing. Like, show me a man who's a great man, who's the son of a great man.

It's tough.

It's tough. It's a hard road. I mean, you have to have a very exceptional father who recognizes the requirements that this kid is gonna go through if you're fucking Genghis Khan's son. And meanwhile, you're also running an empire. Like, raising kids is it is a very involving thing and it's a nuance thing and you have to know which ones to push and which ones to just let them be themselves, which ones to support, which ones to encourage, and how to encourage and how to how to how to instill discipline, how to show them how how important it is to feel the pain of loss Mhmm.

And to feel like failure, and to understand that this doesn't make you a bad person. These are just the lessons of life and the energy that comes with doing something well and throwing yourself into something and finding success versus half assing your existence and feeling filled with misery and regret. And that's a difficult thing when you're sleeping on silk sheets. You know, that was like, what Marvin Hagler used to talk about, like, you know, it's hard to get up in the morning and run when you're sleeping in silk sheets. He's talking about the pull of as you become successful, boxers get softer.

And it's because they start getting rich, you know, and then, you know, just chill a little bit. Well, if you have a son then and the son's growing up rich and you're chill, like, fuck, man. Like, you wanna make a conqueror? You wanna make a you wanna make a champion fighter? Give them a rough childhood.

I don't think you should do it. It definitely shouldn't be mean to your kid just so that they could be a badass fighter.

Well, I I think it's also there's probably a balance you can hit, but a lot of these folks because they had nothing they wanna spoil their kids. They go too far in the other direction.

It's not

it's it's not it's harder to be a strict parent, I think.

Mitzi Shore used to ignore Paulie just to make him funnier. She talked about it. She talked about ignoring him when he was crying. Yeah. It'll make him funny.

She was right. Yeah. She knew what she was doing. But it's, like, to do that, if you're a conqueror and you you came up from shooting your brother with a bow and arrow and then raising an army to take back your wife, and then you have children, and your children are born when you're 40, you know, and you you've you've got this insane empire that's, like, 1 of the most spectacular and impressive military accomplishments. If you just look at in terms of just, like, the sheer numbers of human beings they sent into the reincarnation cycle.

Like, it's fucking it's a crazy number, man. They killed somewhere between I think the estimates are 50 to 60,000,000 people. Over the course of his lifetime, 10% of the population of Earth.

Yeah. And they you know, how? By Brutal.

1 on 1 contact. Bowes and arrows, fire, catapults, swords, spears, trampled.

And through all of that, it doesn't seem like power corrupted the guy. So he was he was big on unmarked grave. No statues Mhmm. Were allowed to be made of him. No paintings.

No anything. Not just

that. They killed everybody that was involved in it.

Yeah.

The people that went to bury him, another group came out to kill them and then another group came out to kill the people that killed them. So they came in 3 waves so that no 1 would have any idea where Genghis Khan is buried, and we still don't know.

You know, that's 1 of the the qualities of there's a perception of Zelensky, sort of the actor, the showman, all that kind of stuff. Some of that is true. But in his interactions that I'm aware of with the soldiers, there is no like, he wants to be on an exact same level, sleep on the same bunks, no glamor, none of that, which I personally admire in a leader in general. Just walk amongst

the top. Admirable thing. I mean, if you're gonna ask people to lead could you imagine Biden was at the front line? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

Yeah. You may maybe you see Kamala Harris at the front line in Afghanistan. Could you see that? No. Did you see Obama at the front line?

No. You see Trump at the front line? Fuck out of here. 78 years old. Leave him alone.

Yeah. It's a very admirable thing. And if you know, that's a thing if people have always said the number 1 concern that people have with the military industrial complex is sending young men to die in a war that's unnecessary for profit while you are in an air conditioned office. Right? That was, during fear and loathing in Las Vegas.

Who is it? McGovern? Did McGovern say that? But it was a very powerful speech. He said, I'm tired of watching these old men in air conditioned offices send young men to die in these unnecessary wars.

Actually, So

if you're

but if you're willing to be out there too, that's a very different thing. That's a very different thing.

I

mean, some people make the argument that a president should moderate how much they do that because

You could die.

You could die, but it also wears on it to make compromise decisions in the realm of geopolitics, in the realm of war, you have to have a bit of coldness. If you really feel the pain of soldiers, you may make unwise decisions.

In terms of diplomatic decisions?

Yes. In terms of for example, you've seen a lot of people die, children die. And if you've seen enough, there's no the idea of quote unquote peace is a dirty word. Right. Like, you want justice.

Isn't that a problem right now, not just, in Ukraine, but also in Gaza? Yeah. I mean, that this is, the thing that the the sheer number of people that died that that had nothing to do with it is crazy. It's crazy. I think the the most recent estimate, and they don't even know because there's so many people that are under rubble.

The most recent estimate was somewhere north of 60,000 people, and how many of them are kids? Like, what's the number of kids that have been killed by missiles that had done nothing wrong? Like, what's that number? And those kids have families, and those kids have mothers and brothers and sisters and some people that lived and some people that died. And whoever makes it out of that, you wanna radicalize somebody.

You wanna go radicalize somebody to to to just want nothing but revenge, I can think of no better way. No better way.

You know? And here, Donald Trump is tasked with, you know, going in there and trying to make peace. I think I'm pretty optimistic about just knowing the skill set of all the people involved in, Israel, Palestine, in Russia, Ukraine, I'm pretty optimistic about.

I can't believe those people. Those hostages are still alive. Yeah. How many of them are still alive now? I don't

know what

the exact numbers are, but it's crazy that the the the they were not freed sooner.

The whole thing's horrible from top to bottom, including all the people that have decided what happened. People that are saying it was definitely a false flag, like, or these things are complicated. These things are complicated. It's definitely like, whenever something horrible happens and someone fucked up, like, someone fucked up. Israel is the most protected place on Earth.

It's 1 of the most secure countries on Earth. For them to let something like that happen is just a huge fuck up. But what I had heard, was that there was also a lot of troops that were stationed near where there were protests. So there was a lot of protests about Netanyahu before October 7th happened. But most people aren't even aware of, there was 100 of thousands of people in the streets protesting Netanyahu before October 7th.

So then October 7th comes and then, you know, all of a sudden now whenever you have any sort of, military engagement, any sort of you're at war right now. When those things happen, 1 of the first things that happens is all the protests and all the bullshit stops because now a bunch of people got killed. And when anything like that happens and you're now involved in a countrywide, assault on this other country, everything else gets put aside. And so the big conspiracy fear has always been when a leader knows that they're gonna get pushed out, they'll start a false flag or start a war. So they look at October 7th and they say they let that happen or they say they they had knowledge of it.

They knew it was gonna happen. They knew it be but they wanted an excuse to raise Gaza. They wanted an excuse to just have a full on bombing campaign against Hamas.

I mean, you definitely need to look at the incentives there. That is 1 of the concerns in Ukraine for for president Zelensky. The the the prospects of ending the war. Because right now, the country is unified. If you end the war and you have elections, now you have to face a lot of the consequences internally about the potential discovery of corruption

Right.

About the suspension of democracy about all these things. And the same thing with Netanyahu, who, by the way, also, I they wanna do a 3 hour podcast as for with with me. I I talked to him before October 7th for an hour. I I regret talking to him for an hour. 1 of the things I really learned a lot from you and from just myself, you can't you can't do.

1 of the things I really don't like what happened with me talking to Donald Trump is, like, 40 minutes with Donald Trump.

Yeah. Like,

it it it was a mistake. They didn't really there was a

I was almost willing to do that with Kamala Harris.

Well, Kamala's entertaining

I was entertaining the 45 minute 1. I was entertaining because I was, like, maybe if I could just come in at a 10 to, like, work my brain up, like, really come in and just engage with her real quick. I just wanted to get I wanted to get loose. I don't the problem is, like, I wanna see how you are as a real person.

I I think, actually, genuinely, with you and Kamala Harris, I think 45 minutes is horrible, but I think you're so skilled and, like, compassionate. Just like it's fun. It's fun to talk to you. I think you would just end up being much, much longer. That's that's the hope.

If that's the hope. Yeah. There would be questions, though, and there's some questions would be very complicated, like the immigration question. Like, I would say, what's happening? Like, what is happening?

What's what are your do you think that there should be limitations to this? Do you think it should be stopped outright? What do you think we should round up all the people that we know that are terrorists that made it across? Are we keeping track of them? Do we know how many?

Do we know what happened? Do we know why it happened? Why are people opposed to the idea of cracking down on border patrol, making more, you know, making more soldiers available, putting walls up everywhere? Like, what is the reason to not do this? Like, tell me what you're thinking.

And when people start talking about labor, they're talk talking about bringing in labor and then our our population is lower. Like, Chuck Schumer brought that up. Talked about, like, we need workers. And I'm like, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, woah,

woah, woah, woah, woah, woah,

woah, woah, woah, woah, woah, wo screen them, make sure that they're not fucking murderers, make sure they're not cartel members, and then let them in easier. Like, wouldn't that be a better way to do it to vet people? But the idea of not vetting people just doesn't make any sense at all. That would have been a problem. That conversation would have been a problem because it doesn't make any sense at all.

And I'm a I'm a grandchild of immigrants. I I I believe in immigration. I think I think America is the fucking shining light in the world. Like, if you can get here, you can actually make something happen. There's not a caste system.

They actually reward people from, you know, started from the bottom. Now we're here. Like, that's a thing here. Although, that's Drake. He's Canada.

But it's that that that

thought That's

gonna be America soon. Right?

Yeah. We're gonna take over Canada for sure. Yeah. That needs to happen. Yeah.

51st state. Let's go. Puerto Rico's next. You gotta become a real state now.

Puerto Rico.

Puerto Rico's got a weird thing where you're allowed to, not pay taxes, but you can't vote. Mhmm.

Do you

know that deal? That's the Peter Schiff deal. You don't yeah. You don't vote, but you don't pay, federal income tax. Like, alright.

I feel like you think you're gonna go to jail someday. I think 1 day they're gonna fucking pull you inside and go, we changed that rule and you owe us $4,000,000,000 in back taxes, you fucking criminal. What are you doing out here? Hanging out on this island just stealing money.

But, yeah, we'd we definitely need legal legal immigration, the idea of bringing, like, the best people in the world here. Yeah. But, also, Mark Andreessen talks about this. Like, we need to make sure we recruit, like, the Midwest, the Farm Boys

Yes.

Get them to, like, do epic shit inside, you know, Americans.

Well, here here's step 1. Ramp up the fucking education system. Yeah. Jesus Christ. At what point in time do we not say how far do we have to slip down the list of, like, the best performing students in the world before someone comes along and says, hey, the whole thing about this place is if our kids are losers

Yeah.

They're gonna grow up to become loser adults.

Yeah.

Make it way easier to be a winner. What's the best way to do that? Have a way better education system. Just imagine if they completely revamped the education system in this country, just poured a shitload of money and had the wisest minds come up with a brilliant strategy for, more creative ways of approaching learning, pushing people into viable pathways that maybe didn't even exist when the education system was structured? Because things have changed so much in the world.

You could probably do a way better job than we're doing, which would make people come out of that. They would emerge better qualified people. So we would get more shit done in America. So America would prosper overall. The GDP would grow.

The fucking everything would be better. You'd have less poverty. You'd have this is that's where they need to start. Just not just letting all the immigrants. How about fix what we got here and then expand that outward?

Mhmm. Like, make this place the best it can be and then expand that idea out to the rest of the world. So instead of, like, letting everybody walk here from 3rd world countries, because 3rd world countries suck, expand what's better out to the rest of the world.

And, a big part of that is actually culturally changing, accepting, celebrating, venerating meritocracy.

Yes. So,

like, the guy in the class see, I you know, having gone to school in Soviet Union, like, I was good at math, and I was actually, believe it or not, super cool because I was good at math in class when I was like, woah. Like, I was the cool kid because I was good at math. Like, I was getting, like In America, we had a girlfriend when I was yeah.

Shut shut shut fuck

up. But, no. No. No. I I think it's wrong.

I think they're wrong.

You

should. But I think they're wrong because but it's a fascinating thing to make fun of the smart kid.

Yeah. It's it's I mean Especially math. Look at that fucking robot over there. Science. But actually just weird.

But, honestly, even yeah. I mean, in all walks of life, sports is a little better. We do celebrate great athletes, but there's still kind of this the participation trophy thing.

Mhmm.

There's still a kind of sense where we want to help the people that aren't quite as good at a thing.

That's only with little kids, though.

Right.

Sports sports are But it's

not up there.

Yeah.

What? The how little, like

Sports once kids get into, like, the teenage years, sports is a meritocracy.

Yes. But culturally, do we really say, like, this is, like, this is amazing that this person is winning?

Yeah. We we do get that. Take you to a Texas football game.

With Tex, is different. I mean, Texas is different.

This is what America should be. This is what America should be. It should all

that it should all be fired up. But not just about football.

No. But all

kinds of things. Everything. Music Here's the problem. Football, like Physics.

Quarterbacks get laid. Alright. That's a handsome guy. That's what

I'm trying to tell you. Okay. Physicists physicists Used to be a good Union will get a lot of pussy.

What about

Feynman? Well, he got yes. Yeah.

But he's another 1. Those guys are freaks. Right? Oppenheimer, you saw the movie. He was a freak.

Yeah. Those guys were studs because they were the smart people, and there's a lot of grad students that wanted to fuck the professor. And that was normal stuff back then.

But I don't know if they were studs in the general population.

They were studs in a way. They were like, look, Einstein was a national hero. Right? There's no 1 like that today. There's no 1 scientist that's a groundbreaking research of theory of relativity where everybody's aware of it.

There's nothing like that today.

We'll we celebrate people like maybe like Neil deGrasse Tyson who are communicators of science.

Yeah. But not to the same extent.

Like, he's

he's he's criticized way more than Einstein ever was. Einstein was pretty celebrated. It's just and even Feynman, like, for the people that knew him, like, he was a he was a cultural figure. He wasn't an obscure name. Like, if you brought up Richard Feynman, most people that, like, watch the news and read newspapers probably know who he is if they were in their thirties.

That's not the case today for, you know, say someone who's groundbreaking research with AI or someone who's involved in quantum computing or just it's just a few of these science communicators, you know. Brian Cox, like, guys like him were great at it when in terms of, like, space, you know. And some guys are better at it in terms of, like, talking about AI or talking about oh, he does just all the different emerging technologies because there's so many of them. But there's no 1 person who's like ours other than Elon. But Elon's like such a unique character.

You can't even like you can't put him in the same categories as an Einstein because he's just like a cultural weirdness. Like, who is this guy? Like, making memes, cracking jokes, dunking on people, telling people to go fuck themselves, buys Twitter, you know, it runs a bunch of different companies simultaneously while playing video games constantly. It's like that doesn't fit in anywhere else. That's like a very unique thing that exists, this Elon Musk guy.

Like, he's 1 of the most unique human beings in all of history.

But you can't even move to, like, even the Jeff Bezos, who, by the way, successfully launched the first, rocket yesterday to orbit Yeah. Which is which is incredible. Amazing. Even he is gets like, I think that's that should be that that should be venerated.

Sure. But he's not the guy that's making the the he's not doing the calculations and designing and engineering the machines

Right.

Like Wernher von Braun was. So it's like the what we're fascinated by today is different. It's it's like we're fascinated by these public figures that talk about the work that's being that's going on, But the people that are actually doing it, there's not, like, 1 standout.

Although to say both Jeff Bezos and Elon are legit good engineers. Like, they to see them on

the back of

your floor, they know what they're doing.

Yeah. For sure. But, like, the thing about Elon is weird. It's like he just has so many things. You get you get confused.

Like, how can you do this? And I was talking about possibly buying TikTok. Yeah. Like, I wonder if they'd go after him if he did that. Would that be like a minute?

But but but Bezos or, rather sorry. Zuckerberg rather, they bought Instagram. Right? So they have Facebook and Instagram. Right?

And then they like, why couldn't you have TikTok and Twitter?

What are

you talking about? Monopoly wise? Yeah. What's oh, yeah. Yeah.

I don't think they'll go after them. They're trying to split up Google right now, Alphabet.

Really?

Like, to make maybe Chrome or YouTube its own, business. I think,

There's an argument.

There's some argument, but, like, they

The crazy thing about YouTube is how effective it is. Right? Like, YouTube is just think it's, like, seems so straightforward. You just have a place where people can upload videos. Okay.

Mhmm. That's straightforward. Everybody should be able to make 1 of those. By the way No. There's just 1.

Really hard to actually pull that off in the engineering side to to be able to, like Oh, yeah. Just there's there's just no other place like it to be able to host that much data.

The scale. Just the volume. The volume of fucking data that comes into their site every day.

Yeah. It just and and then there's people, of course, online sort of criticizing YouTube for censorship blah blah blah. And I'm like,

oh, it's

like should, though.

They should. But, like, hey. More people need to be like, this this fucking thing exists. It's like Wi Fi on the airplane. Yeah.

It's like, this is there's no other platform like YouTube No. In terms of, like, the set of features, the community they create, the search and discovery. Yeah. Do

you think Apple regrets having it 1 of being 1 of the first built in apps on the iPhone that could have had a lot to do with the growth?

Well, definitely did. I'm sure.

They didn't make it, but they included it. Right. Also, Google Maps was too, so they made their own.

Well, I mean, you probably wanna have the best shit on your phone if you want people to buy it. Yeah. You're kinda trapped. Everybody knows YouTube is the best shit. And if you get YouTube on an Android phone natively, instantly, which you can, when you get an Android phone, it already already has YouTube loaded onto it.

Why wouldn't you load it on an iPhone? Everybody uses YouTube. You gotta pick your battles.

So it's 2,007, though.

That's true.

They all have 3 minute videos back in

the day. They probably didn't realize how big YouTube is gonna be. Right? But what they did do that's the sneakiest thing that drives me crazy is the 30%. So, like, if you start an app

Oh, an app.

You put an app in the app store, the Apple store, 30 they get 30%. Like, that's crazy.

But because YouTube dominates so much if people get censored, that's really painful. Like that like that's not

Well, they're so they're so in control, of the video market.

Yeah.

And, you know, I don't envy it. It's gotta be an insane place to try to manage. But it's just kind of wild that no 1 else has been able to come up with anything even remotely close. You know, you've got Rumble. They do really well.

But it's like Rumble's like a like a very conservative ivermectin using libertarian

sort of space. The opposite of Blue Sky. Like, Blue Sky is like

Exactly. But there's a lot of, like, left wing shows on Rumble. Rumble is essentially like a legitimate free free speech platform. They don't censor left wing views. You know, isn't Breaking Points are they on Rumble?

I

watch them on YouTube.

I

was thinking Twitch for a while, though, was kinda close, then Amazon bought it. But Right. Right.

Twitch was close.

I mean,

but then when Amazon bought it, there's some, like, Twitch kinda disappeared.

It's still a thing, but it's it doesn't make money. It's not profitable, which arguably neither is YouTube. But once you But

isn't that crazy? Like, if they didn't buy, maybe it would have been because Twitch was huge.

It still is. Really? Yeah. I mean, that's all that that's what kids watch. But a lot of

kids, they stream everywhere now. Right? And there's a bunch of like, is video games different?

Is there,

like, a bunch of different

Twitch became more it was just in TV, and it's kinda reverted back to it now. Like, most of the popular stuff is IRL streaming, people walking around, going places, doing shit, streaming, going, you know, doing nonsense.

That's so weird. And so, what are the video games streamed on? What does everybody like?

It's still that. There's been a few other ones that I've tried. People like YouTube tried to do it. Facebook tried to do it. Microsoft tried to do it.

It didn't work? Twitch is still No.

I watch video game streams on YouTube. Yeah.

Just so if you're

there, Twitter has now tried to do it. But, like, the Microsoft 1 went away.

Yeah.

YouTube doesn't really advertise the live streaming stuff very well. Mhmm. You can find it,

but it's not.

So so essentially, it's just Twitch for video games. It's dominant for sure. Dominant. Okay. So Twitch didn't go away.

I'm just old. So it's, I thought there was a bunch of new ones that were good though that people were using. They took off. Yeah.

But that's not it everyone sort of went back to Twitch after they

made it.

So was that a deal where they, like, get like a famous streamer and they say, hey, we're gonna give you money to come over to this new platform, then they try to start the platform. Yeah.

And that's a good idea.

You buy everyone to come over, and hopefully everyone sticks. Just didn't stick.

But just think about the resources you would have to have if you wanted to take on YouTube. Like, look if Elon had decided, like, okay, we need, to turn x into the new YouTube.

Well, he kinda wants to do that. Right?

Yeah. Which is kinda what he but he wanted to start a separate app. Because Twitch, or excuse me, x is still mostly people exchanging information, mostly exchanging hyperlinks.

The closest thing it's to is, like, TikTok on a video. The short video clips is is good. So I could see actually Elon buying TikTok. It makes it makes total sense and integrating into x. Yeah.

But in terms of long form content, it's just not quite there because you have to implement all of these features. And, it is engineering wise really difficult to have that much video.

You can we can up we upload hours at a time. Yeah. Hours. So think about it, like, each 1 of our shows is at least 2 hours, 3 hours mostly. That's so much fucking data.

If you're letting everybody do that, how much are you paying for bandwidth? Like, what is that like? Because it's free and then you have to get ads and you have to like put and then you the the ads like, hey, we don't want anybody saying fuck. Oh, shit. Alright.

Put up a filter, get rid of all the fucks so that Paul Malov can sell their fucking hand soap. Like, whatever it is. Whoever's getting upset at us. Oh, did someone talk about the vaccine? Yeah.

You can't get an ad because we're trying to sell vaccine ads, so don't be a cocksucker. Don't ruin my giant business that I've created on your data.

But it is surprising that nobody's built a competitor.

Not even close.

As I need to show some credit where the teams are. Right? It takes

Well, they they nailed it. This is what they did. They made the perfect algorithm to constantly show you things you're interested in. You know, when I go to my YouTube feed, they're right every day. Every day, they're right.

I'm like, oh, I'm interested in that. Oh, when was that built? Oh, look at that. Oh, is that real? This is what they got me every fucking day.

Yeah. I actually, tweeted complaining a little bit about YouTube recently, and we had a whole meeting and stuff.

What were you complaining about?

So they have this incredible I don't wanna complain about Wi Fi on the airplane before saying the positive. So they have this incredible feature called MLA multi language audio.

Mhmm. I don't

know if you know about this, but you could have multiple tracks of audio for a single podcast or video in different languages. So I had to do that for as in the last interview, that's, overdubbed into 3 languages for the different Did

you use AI to do that, or did you hire people?

So, did both. But in this case, we did AI because of the voice cloning. You want there's something really intimate and powerful about hearing the person speak in that language. And I've just found out that you know, for example, on audio, people listen to the Zelensky interview. He's it's dubbed into English.

He's speaking Russian or Ukrainian. They listen and they enjoy it. Like, they've they've they've you could see the numbers. You could see how they write to me personal messages, how they, you know, on Instagram stories. They're listening to it in English.

Right. And they're able to listen to it for a prolonged period of time like it's in English.

Did you review it, and listen to it, make sure the context translates correctly?

Yeah. So I should give a shout out to a company called 11 Labs that do the voice cloning, that do the translation and this what what's called text to speech. They're incredible people, not just the product. Actually, there's certain companies that I work with. Nothing frustrates me more than incompetence, and nothing excites me more than competence.

Like, they're just sweet people, by the way, like, stayed up crazy hours through the holidays. A lot of big companies, like, take, like, 2 months off. They just there's, you know, they're 9 to 5. Mhmm. They're all very polite.

Mhmm. There's a manager of a manager, and there's meetings, and it's slow, and there's this bureaucracy. And with with all Levin Labs, with a lot of startups, good startups, you, like, have this just vibrancy and kindness and everybody is excited, all that kind of stuff. Anyway, they do the the text to speech. You know, you have, like, text on the page that you can speak in the Joe Rogan voice.

Mhmm. I

mean, you're aware of this

thing. Mhmm.

So if you wanna translate, you first translate the transcribe the original language, translate it on the page, and then text to speech, bring it to life in that other different language. The translation step is the tricky 1. It's the hardest 1 where a human should correct and help. I got, I re I mean, we had very little time to do this. We had to do it really rapidly, but you get into trouble.

So for example, he said

much time did you have?

I don't don't remember the exact number of days, but probably 5 or 6 days to do everything.

So In 3 languages.

In 3 languages. And he and I did the asshole thing, which is we kept switching languages sentence to sentence. Oh, no. Because we we kept and, like and he was swearing Russian mid sentence. So, of course, the translator is, like, sweating because the most of the sentence is Ukrainian, and then he says, fuck or go fuck his.

He swore a lot. Like, you know, that that part would be in Russian, the the the swear. So you have to catch all of that. Yeah. You have to not make mistakes.

And some of it, there was AI in the loop. We had to figure out because nobody

really has done this kind of thing before, so we had to

figure it all out. And mistakes can be made when you're rushing like this. Rushing like this. Like I just did. Right?

By the way, me saying that could be turned transcribed into me saying Russian and then

you could

translate it like that. Yeah. Yeah. So for example, we said, he was talking about corruption, sensitive topic. He said something like, anybody who we caught doing something with with the weapons or being corrupt, we would beat the exact term is beat them on the hands.

And he was speaking Ukrainian, which in Ukrainian means we'll crack down on them. That was automatically translated to slap them on the wrist, which which makes sense as a direct literal translation because beat them on the hand, slap them on the wrist makes sense. But, like and I didn't catch it.

I'm not

sleeping. I'm, like, reading it. I speak all the languages. So, like, I'm trying to, like, figure out this puzzle. And, we didn't catch it.

And then, of course, like, a lot of people got really mad, and they they spoke up. You know? The the you know, the Internet in general is like, how can you translate this? Are you of course, it must be because I'm a Putin shill. I'm getting funded.

I'm not translating. But, yeah, that's you see, it's very there could be sensitive moments. Like, you had a lot of really high profile figures here. There could be sensitive moments if translated, could do a lot of damage. On the flip side, it makes it accessible especially for important conversations, it makes it accessible to people that really need to hear it.

Why were you under such a time constraint?

Because the the seriousness of the conversation, like, the every single day, there's major missile launches.

And So did you it just you didn't have a 5 day deadline. You just it took you 5 days to do it.

Yes. And the I don't wanna sort of put it on them, but the president Zelensky's office was asking, like, as soon as possible. Out. Right. They were really pushing it, and they were implying probably correctly that there's just going to be a lot of dynamic stuff happening on the on the peace negotiations.

Right.

So he wanted to use this as a statement in the same because, you know, the the Kremlin watched it, so everybody's watching it. And, like, it's part of the puzzle pieces that they're using to figure out when are we going to meet, when are we going to what are going to be the outlines of a of a treaty. You know? So, like, you have to take it very seriously. But then, you know, I've learned a lot because I, you need to probably hire more, and trust everybody involved and turn it around much quicker.

You know? You you know me, but in terms of production, everything, the team is 1 person. And then there's now, folks helping with helping with editing, but it's just tiny team. There's no and so for things like this, you have to take it seriously. You have to, like, maybe have, like, a special special force team that kinda steps up Right.

And helps.

Right. A group of people that are translators that you could really count on to get it right.

Because a lot of the

review it. But you would wanna have to personally review it anyway.

100%. But the you want the translators you trust to do a good job. And 1 of the things we learned really quickly is you can't just get any translator. There are I mean, translation is an art. It truly is.

And, like, people were they were translating it. It's like open mic comedy.

Right. It really like this. Right.

Right.

Like, do you

think even the same joke in the mouth of different comics would just be way different.

Right.

And the

way they were translating it was cold. They were missing the points. They were not understanding the context.

Oh, the AI way is genius.

Yeah. Yeah. But the translation piece of the AI still needs the human in the loop. It needs the human to fix it.

And how does the human emphasize emotion? Like, if he has a a specific intonation, if the way he's, like, he's talking about how does the how does AI know how to say the words in translation and which ones to emphasize?

So this is where 11 Labs is really incredible, but are they it uses the actual words to figure out the intonation.

So the the okay. So the translation of the words? Right. Or the original word, hearing the word?

No. It's always working on the text. So let's just stick with English for now before I say translation. Text on the page, I've like, I'm half a twilight eyes on a hot speech here. Every gun that is made, every worship launched, every rocket fire signifies.

That feels like a serious thing. Like, we could probably infer how to read that. If I gave you that text, you would infer the heaviness, the timing. Right. And AI is pretty good at doing that.

Not perfect. And you can

What if you delivered that speech like Hitler? Like, like, I wanna know, like, how are they getting the like, when would would yell about stuff, and then they had a translation of it in English. And so the are they doing it off text or they're doing off the sound of the the like, when he's saying the words and translating it? Because then you would know he's conveying a certain amount of emotion, or are they editing it in post and saying he's gotta be louder here, he's yelling, or is a human involved in that?

Or Yeah.

There are human involved in every part of that, so they're setting the hyperparameters of, like, how, yeah, like, how loud is it, how, like, dynamic it is. They can they can change all of that, and they can change specific they can basically generate, you know, like, 5 different options for the sentence. And then That's

so crazy.

But that is an art form. Right?

Yeah. But it really is so crazy that we're not gonna be able to tell if you said something. Yeah. Like, we're kind of there. There's there's real cheap ones of me selling everything I see all the time on Instagram.

Like, you know, different rappers and country western songs and go to this pus go to this restaurant, like, you just generate them from AI. But you could still kinda tell, but then I've seen some ones. I'm sure you've seen that 1 of the 1 guy where it's a completely AI generated thing, voice and everything, and he's talking, and he's telling you, like, this is completely AI generated. And you probably can't believe this, but it's true. He's explaining how it's done, and it's nuts.

Mhmm. It's so realistic.

And I mean, I should say, like, from my experience with the Zelenskyy conversation, it's dubbed into all these languages, it's dubbed into English. He's speaking Ukrainian and Russian. There's a lot of people, like, I've seen this, that think he's speaking English just because it's so close.

Right.

It's his voice.

It's crazy.

And so, like, now I have this responsibility. Here I am with my fucking exhausted, sleep deprived, translating, like, his exact words. I could put whatever words in his mouth. Like, I could've the slap on the wrist thing, I you know, let me just take responsibility, I guess. I fucked up.

You know, it was 3 hours. It's very tough to, like

Right.

But, like, I could've, you know, put in, like, I like dicks in there. Just throw it. I love just just throw it in there, you know, just for fun.

Yeah. That's kinda crazy. Right?

Yeah. And it's out and there's a lot of people that believe, like, okay. This is what he's saying.

Right.

So, I mean, there's a huge responsibility with that, and I think that's why people trust a particular podcast and so on. Like, you're not going to fuck with that responsibility.

Right. No. You're very, aware of it, and you took it very seriously.

Yeah. But it's still hard to decide who and how to talk to. It was really, really difficult to think through the Zelensky conversations. Think difficult to think about whether to talk to Putin or not and how to talk to him. It's difficult to think about Benjamin Netanyahu to talk to him after October 7th.

He's 1 of the most universally hated people on the planet now. Right. And it's like, okay. So how do you

Right.

Talk to him?

And what what do you get him to say about the innocent people that have been killed?

But he has a certain perspective, which I should say that a lot of people inside Israel probably support. Mhmm. It it's I mean, I should also say not now, but earlier with in Qatar when Hamas was in Qatar, they were interested in doing a podcast. The the members of Hamas who are not in hiding, so the representatives were interested in doing a podcast. And then I decided not to because it's like everyone knows what Hamas is.

It's almost, like, easy. Why not do a podcast? But it was like, well, that just feels I mean, you are platforming hate there that's in a way where you can't properly dissect and present and analyze and push and pull.

You can't you can't criticize them. Like, you're not gonna be in a position where you can criticize them.

Well, I should say in Qatar, it's safe.

What's that?

Oh, in Qatar, it's safe. So there, I could criticize. In fact, 1 of the ways I would imagine talking to Hamas is pushing them actually pretty hard. In that case, I would actually push hard and they would probably because a lot of them are kinda just, a pretty shallow and insane. So, like, they would just get really angry.

Like, there's a be real anger.

Yeah.

They would not come off as 1 1 of the fears talking to dictators, is just the charisma. This it Yeah. Like, they would you know, my opening statement to Netanyahu was, you know, a lot of people hate you. When I talked to him in August, a lot of people are protesting outside.

There's a

lot of people that hate you. What do you get to what what do you have to say to those people? Right? That's the opening thing. He says, like, he said something like, everybody loves me.

I just, gave a talk in Iran, and, 20,000,000 people listened to me, and they love me. So that's just like so how do you talk to a person where the reality is like, well no. No. There there is people that love you, prime minister at Yahoo. What did you quite a lot of people outside that don't that don't love you.

What did you expect him, when you brought that up? Did you have expectations? Do would you expect him to say?

I I expected for him to analyze where that hate comes from, to start to empathize, fake or not, to understand that perspective.

Mhmm.

And to understand the perspective maybe of the Palestinians or the the

Gazans that Right.

That hate him.

Right.

And then maybe make the case of Israel, like, after steel manning the Palestinian case, say, well, listen. We're like this tiny country that everybody's shooting rockets at. Make then make the case for Israel, the historic case, the the military case, the geopolitical case.

Right.

But he didn't it was there was, like, everybody loves me. Jeez. But in that answer

Do you

think he really believed that?

Yeah. Yeah.

He believed it. He's locked in.

Locked in. But, or I mean, it's complicated. He's just so that was definitely a wall.

How much more time does he have in power?

I mean, that's a it's a consistent minute by minute thing. He he, as long as he is being elected. And it's it's the same question for Zelensky. How long does he have in power? It's the same question But

when when does Israel have their elections again? Are they doing that while they're in the middle of this conflict?

I'm not deeply familiar with, like, the dynamics of it, but I think they can have elections at any time. Like, there's there's coalitions. They form, and they can I think it's a bunch of countries have this kind of thing? So, I think there's elections, like, coming up. There might be a martial law type of situation.

Forgive me. I'm not exactly sure, but it is is basically under constant internal political pressure where he can lose power.

Are you aware at all of, his political opponents?

Yeah. There's a there's a bunch there's a bunch of there's a bunch of people. I mean, they have to, walk a tight rope because there is a lot of fear and anger inside of Israel now. Like you said, after October 7th, there's, like, an existential fear when the the whole assumption of the Israeli people was that, like, this this kind of attack cannot possibly happen

Right.

With the Iron Dome and the the the defenses. And so you have a more, there's more room. There's capacity to elect more radical people that are more right wing, they're more aggressive, they're more militaristic.

Well, this is why we the 1 of the big reasons why people, love to dive into the false flag narrative because they find an incentive for people to allow something to take place. Because if you allow something to take place and you sacrifice a certain percentage of your population, you, you have now new rules

Mhmm.

And you have much more power and you have a a society that's behind you now because there's a reason why they wanna fight. And this is why anytime there's anything that ever happens, there's a bunch of people that think it's a false flag. Bunch of people think 911 was a false flag. And then there's real ones that we know about like Operation Northwoods. Didn't happen, but they really did sign the Joint Chiefs of Staff signed a proposal where they wanted to blow up American Air Liner and blame Cuba.

We wanted to arm Cuban friendlies and attack Guantanamo Bay, and they wanted to invade Cuba under false pretenses of a false flag. We really do stuff like that. Look, it's it's a and I say by we, I mean humans. Humans in power. Nero burned Rome, like Hitler burned the Reichstag.

There's there's false flags that they they create these situations to force people to fight, and, that's a real thing. But it's also it's also, like, people get caught with their pants down too. So So it's, like, it's hard to know what's what. It's hard to know what's what.

But the same organization that did the whole pager thing, the, the sophisticated intelligence Yeah. Required for that somehow missed an obvious breach of a a Right.

And they were warned by Egypt. The whole thing is it's very it's very, very, very tragic.

Jamie, just quick request. Are you tracking the Starship launch?

I know you wanna watch. We've got 5 minutes, I think. Okay. 4 minutes. We got it's 356 right now.

So, I just wanna watch it. Yeah. I know you do. America We're gonna wrap it up with that. Is it launching live?

Yeah. It's live. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's hope it doesn't blow up. That's, like, what if it blows up while we're watching?

I don't think, at this stage, blowing up I mean, it'll be really awesome if it doesn't blow up, if it flies, and then it's caught by the

In 13 minutes.

In 13 minutes.

Okay. We got time. Jamie, keep an eye on it.

At this time, I mean, it's called Starship test 7 for a reason. Like, you Right. You wanna you wanna Blow

a few up every now and again. So far what the tolerances are.

It is nice for Jeff Bezos, to succeed on the first try. Like, the first 1 is really important because there's a lot of skepticism. Couldn't this even be done? Mhmm. New with the new Glen Rocket.

But

And now, Bezos and Elon are homies again. Homies. They're expressing platitudes on, Twitter.

Yeah. They're, they're gonna sit together at the inauguration.

What, Jamie? Well,

I'm trying to check something. I'm not finding the right video. Okay. No worries. When where should I go?

Because I tried typing SpaceX And

Yeah. Be really careful. Just find the official SpaceX channel, or you can go on x.

Yeah. Go on x.

There's gonna be a bunch of bots selling you crypto if you're not careful. Oh, don't go on Pornhub. That's a different 1.

You can't go on Pornhub and get in Texas.

You gotta enter in Violation of human rights.

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

Are you going to the, inauguration? Perhaps. Are you? Unfortunately. Yeah.

Really? Unfortunately? Socializing.

All the socializing.

Oh, you're doing it on purpose for work?

No. I I just no. I I listen. I never I never go out to things for work. I don't work.

It's more like I felt like it's an opportunity, like To meet people? No. Like, you would regret if you didn't go. Like, it's a historic Mhmm. It's a historic moment.

And also George St. Pierre said he's going somewhere.

Oh, okay.

That's good.

I think Gordon's going too.

Yeah.

Yeah. It's a very different thing this time around. People are very hopeful with him as president now, which is very different than in 2016. 2016 is like this existential crisis that the media just blasted into everybody's head. I think, enough time has passed and enough faith has been lost in the media that people have sort of woken up out of that and realized, like, we can't keep going the way we're going.

I I hope the good vibes continue in general. Like, that they the the politicization of everything Yeah. Will not escalate quickly here.

It's possible. It's possible.

Even the inauguration itself. Yeah. Like, I hope I hope they're not. It's not a divisive event. It's it's more of an inspiring event.

Well, it's gonna be divisive with some people. There's no getting around that. Some people just their psychology. Like that lady in the pink that was yelling. Like the lady that said that Pete Hegseth said that when he really didn't say it.

He just published it. Someone else wrote it.

It says 37 minutes.

37? We don't have that kind of time.

This just went live, so it doesn't say anything.

Just to be all SpaceX. And There it is. Is that it? Sitting there chilling?

I'm trying to double check most of these. They all say 30 7 minutes and counting.

Wow. No. Let's see. Who's Felix?

These are just channels. This is

Oh, so a bunch of different channels looking around?

There's tons of channels with it. That's why I was trying to find the most accurate or real 1 because someone could be live streaming

Right.

A fake 1.

What are they live streaming though? Yeah. Is there All sorts of stuff. Does

NASA SpaceX

have its own page?

So that that's I just typed I just went to live on YouTube. This is where my while I was bringing up a Twitch. Like, it's hard to find stuff that's live.

Does SpaceX have an account?

That's when I typed it in, that's when he was bringing up. You start getting all sorts of crazy shit. And I get, like, space all these weird that's not them.

That's not them? SpaceX live?

That's that

would not they would put that in their official account. Oh, wow. That's not

Oh, they might you know what? SpaceX might have just closed their YouTube channel, I'm guessing, like, because they wanna do it on x.

Right? Makes sense. So I went to there, and that's what it's

Oh, how weird.

Yet. How weird. Went up 3 minutes ago.

So it's just a bunch of fakers People coming on. Pretending to be SpaceX. What? SpaceX live like that. You're not SpaceX.

Yeah. Tricking me into looking at your channel.

They're boosting the algorithm.

I guess.

You know?

So this is it.

This is an older 1, I think.

This is old.

And some of them, Everyday Astronaut is is really great. I recommend people stream him. He's a he's a great do you wait. I feel like have you talked to him? I'm not exactly sure.

But, he was, he went after Bart. What is his name? Bart?

Cybrel?

Yeah.

Yeah. Did he?

He's really I mean and not went after, I should say. Just use the opportunity to educate. Like, he, like, has this really long,

way Gotta get the 2 of them in the same room.

Yeah. For sure. That's what he wants. He keeps being on my case. I because I wanna debate him.

Did you ever have Bart on your podcast?

No. But Bart wants to debate him. I was like, do I want this? Do I?

Of course you do. No. Shut the fuck up. Do it.

I think I think there's a yeah. It's it's, something that happened in the past. Like, what are we gonna learn from it? Say it was completely fake. Right?

What's the I I would rather focus on modern day conspiracies.

What? You don't wanna know if they fake the moon landing? No. Are you crazy?

No. I do wanna know. But, like, okay. To me How does your life change?

A lot. A lot. Okay. This is how. Yeah.

Because you know The government's able to do something. Is able to fake the fucking moon landing and to get people to shut their mouths Yeah. And a bunch of people disappeared.

Yeah. Edgar The story is

nuts, dude. Yeah. Do you know the story about god, what was his name? I don't remember, but he was a journalist. What was he assigned to do?

Other 1, I guess, he's assigned to do an audit of NASA, and he wrote, hundreds of pages. And his analysis, this is like 1964, 65, 66, somewhere around then. So it's years before the moon landings.

Mhmm. God.

I can't remember his fucking name. I used to have this shit at the tip of my tongue, but, he parked his car with his family and then on a train track. And a train smashed their car, and the the document was never retrieved. It was it vanished. It went away.

Bye bye. And then a few years later, everyone's on the moon. I wonder what Grisham, the, pilot of Apollo 1, the guy that burned alive in that thing, he hung a lemon on that thing saying that it would never work. They couldn't communicate with the tower. How's this thing supposed to get us to the moon?

And that guy, you know, people his family believes he was murdered for that. There's a lot of weirdness in the moon landing, buddy.

Seems a lot. If they

really did pull it off Yeah. And then all these people are cucking for the fucking government of the 19 sixties, it's kind of hilarious.

Wait. They pulled off the fake the fake?

The faking.

The faking. Yeah. So Tim Dodd, everyday astronaut, apparently has an answer to all of this.

Yeah.

He's,

what's his answer to the Van Allen radiation belt?

There is an answer. I'm not this is I'm not gonna turn this debate into I don't

it's a cute 1, whatever it is.

The answer?

The It has to be cute. Like, to to to send people through thousands of miles of intense radiation and have no biological animal that you've ever done that to that's come back alive, And just let's try it on people.

So let

me try to convince you as an agent of the Mossad and the CIA. I don't I think okay. This is from me, looking at Wikipedia for about 5 seconds. So I thought, I thought the belt is not all the way around, so you can go around the belt.

No. You can get through the top and the bottom. Right. But you have to fly out of Antarctica.

Right.

And you really can't

do that. And then The

way we did it, we had to go through it, and we had to go through it. I think it was for a couple hours. Maybe it's possible.

And we're gonna find out soon. Right?

Hopefully. Unless they go through Antarctica. There's so it's like a doughnut. That's what it is. The intense band of radiation is like a doughnut.

But, apparently, the the actual amount of radiation is not that, intense. I mean, I guess speaking as a Masade's agent

It depends on who you're asking. Van Allen thought it was pretty fucking intense. And, also, there was Operation Starfish Prime. Do you know about that? Operation Starfish Prime, they were trying to blow a hole through the radiation belt, so they launched nuclear weapons into space and detonated them and had the opposite effect.

It, like, supercharged the radiation belt, made it more radioactive.

Yeah.

Operation Starfish Prime. Google that.

It's temporary, though, wasn't it?

What's that?

I think it was temporary. Like, it just and it dissipated over Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Is also a Mossad No.

No. He's right. No. He's right. But, I mean, like, when they measured it.

When they measured it, it was, like, way more radiation. They didn't blow a hole through it at all. They fucked it up. They supercharged it. But just the fact that they were trying to do that, they were trying to blow up nuclear weapons in space.

Like, if I was the aliens, that's when I would start showing up. Like, look at these fucking assholes.

High altitude nuclear test. What what what are people doing?

Not only that, it shut off the power in Hawaii. It fucked Hawaii up. Hawaii had, like, a brownout. Like, these guys are psychopaths. Can you imagine, like, sitting at a table with a bunch of generals and this guy comes in with a cigar?

I wanna launch a fucking nuke in space.

Yeah.

I wanna see what happens. I just wanna see what happens. Mhmm. You know what my favorite 1 of those is? The very first detonation of the very first nuclear bomb.

Mhmm. There was a non 0 chance that that bomb was gonna destroy the entire atmosphere of the Earth.

Just imagine what that feels like. Right?

Yeah. And they were like, let's see.

Let's see.

Boom. Nope. Yeah. We're still here. They're reasonably sure that it wasn't gonna do that.

Mhmm. But, you know, you've never done that before. Who knows?

And there's a lot of people asking the question of, like, in the war in Ukraine, whether Putin is willing to use even tactical nuclear weapons

Yeah.

Just send a statement. That's an open question.

It is an open question.

And it's like a terrifying possibility. We, I think, generationally have forgotten what nuclear weapons are. Right. Like, most people think it's like a fun TikTok meme.

Right.

Right. The the mushroom cloud could just and then and then what happens next? Yeah. What what are the next

to back and forth back and forth. Now everything's gone. Everything's gone like that.

And that's why I'm excited about Starship launches because the Yeah. The backup the backup. Get the bug out of here.

Let's love on the sex cult on Mars.

No. I I love I prefer Earth, the sex cult.

Right. But if you had to be a person who lived and Earth was gonna blow, you'd probably try it. You'd try you'd say, listen. Maybe we can maybe I'm gonna be the fucking Davy Crockett of Mars. And then years from now, this would be a maul.

And everybody remember when Lex came over on the rocket.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really it's exciting to see what kind of societies form on Mars. Even just a 100 people, a 1000 people, 10000 people, a 100000 people.

What are the, prospects of terraforming? Because the problem is, like, Mars is too far from the sun. Like, it's just not warm enough. Like, so what are they gonna do in terms of, like, oxygen and do you know, Terrence Howard, the actor?

Mhmm.

You know Terrence Howard's theory? He's got a great theory. It's really interesting theory. He thinks that all solar systems that instead of it being like a collection of debris from, you know, the outer galaxies, there's that too, but what it really is is the sun is ejecting matter, and we know that. Right?

So after 1000000 and 1000000 of years of sun ejecting matter, the matter coalesces and becomes a planet. As it gets further and further from the sun, it becomes more hospitable to life. As it gets into that Goldilocks zone where Earth is, it peoples and that he thinks that this is happening all throughout the galaxy. The planets get to a certain stage and then they people, and then those planets are slowly gonna move further and further out to get away further and get colder and colder. And it's up to these creatures to figure out how to get the fuck out of there before it becomes inhospitable, and that's where the advanced civilizations come in.

And this is why he thinks the most advanced civilizations are on the planets of the furthest from the sun because they're the ones who've adapted and figured out a way to exist off of some other form of energy other than just sunlight.

Well, does he have an idea about which planets in our solar system might be peopled?

Probably used to be Mars. Mars. Still

or no?

No. There's nothing on there now. I mean, it's not Oh,

there could be.

But there could happen to be there was an atmosphere.

There could be life there. Now there's water there.

There could be mobile. There's probably some sort of bacterial life. Right? There's probably the real question is, is there any evidence that there was other life? Like, think about how difficult it is for us to find, like, dinosaur bones.

Right?

Yeah.

Like, dinosaurs have to become a fossil. It's like it's a very complicated process. They have to die in mud or something. They have to get covered up and then they calcify and if you don't know, when you get a fossil, the the bone that's fossilized, it's not really that bone. What it is is it's been remineralized by all the earth elements, and so it's it's kind of a different thing, but it's in the shape of the bone.

That's fossilized bone. And what if you're talking about, like, 30000000 years, 50000000 years, a 100000000 years, 200000000 years, a 100000000 years? A 100000000 years? What if Mars a 1000000000 years ago had life on it? What would be left?

Nothing. That mean, in that case, nothing.

What would be left? Like, Earth is 4 point something 1000000000 years old. Right? How old's Mars? Do we know?

How old's Mars?

Yeah. There's good estimates for that. Like, is Mars older? I believe it's older. Yeah.

4 point 6,000,000,000.

So that's pretty similar.

Right? When did the solar system start forming?

See, these are just wild guesses by a bunch of fucking solar

systems forming 4,500,000,000. So it's

Bunch of eggheads with wild guesses. I'm going with Terrence Howard. I think he's right. I think what a brilliant idea though.

I'm offended you call him an actor. He could be Well, he's a lot of mathematician, physicist. He's a lot

of things. Brilliant guy.

His conversation with you with with Eric with Eric Weinstein and, and you was just is art. It's a good conversation. Some conversations are art.

Yeah. That was a good 1 because he's a good guy. He's a good guy and Eric's a very good guy the way he handled it. Mhmm. You know, he'd be stern and and very clear and obvious that who is right, but very kind and very friendly, which is a a quality that Eric has.

Like, the ability to do that, especially when you're talking about something that's so incredibly complex and esoteric. You know, like, you're you're talking about, like, super complicated math and he's showing it to him. Do you know how to do this? Are you showing him on the board and you could tell he doesn't know how to do this? He's like, let me explain how this works.

And then you realize like, oh, boy. Self taught, you know. This is the thing, like, there's a lot of brilliant people that just don't get the correct education, but they're still brilliant.

Yeah. The raw horsepower is there.

Yes. The raw horsepower is there. Yeah. But I think this theory that he has about planets peopling, I find it so fascinating. I couldn't stop thinking about it for days.

I was like, I think he's

right. Yeah. I mean, we're gonna find out. We're gonna find like, even if we discover bacteria on Mars

Mhmm.

That that's gonna change everything. Like, I I'm convinced that there's alien life throughout the like, even the galaxy, but that's a really open question, and most people don't think so.

You know what I think? I don't think it gets past, where we are very often. I think it probably fucks up a lot. I think it's too difficult to harness the power of the sun while you're a tribal monkey and not blow yourself up or fuck things up horribly or just get involved in natural disasters that you didn't adequately prepare for. I mean, we're still not prepared at all for asteroid impacts.

I mean, yeah, young and grass impact theory is very recent.

Yeah. And also super volcanoes, we're not prepared at all. If we have a supervolcano of Yellowstone blows, which it's gonna 1 of these is gonna 1 of the big ones is gonna blow. They just do. They might blow a 100000 years from now.

It might blow next week. They they fucking happen, and we're not prepared. We're not prepared for that.

Even if you just look at the LA fire, sorry to interrupt, like, they they do. Imagine the chaos that's going to be created.

Oh, and imagine the LA fires with no fire department.

Right.

Okay? Imagine that. Imagine that there's no 1 out there trying to put that fire out. That would be fucking insane. And, you know, I think civilization has probably gone through a gang of those before.

I think Graham Hancock, as much as he gets criticized, I think he's on to something. I think Randall Carlson is as well. I think they're on to something. I think that's that's probably the end of the ice age. It's probably asteroid impacts.

There's too much physical evidence that corresponds with the timeline for it to be ignored. I mean, it's it's a pre accepted theory now, the Younger Dryas impact theory. It's just like what happened during that time and what existed before that time and all the stuff that we see a few 1000 years later, is that a a reimagining of civilization out of complete and utter chaos? Because I think it might be, and it might be 1 of the reasons why we're so fucking barbaric. It might be that our ancestors were the ones who survived the most horrific time in history where we got hit by asteroids and civilization just evaporated instantaneously.

Millions of people probably instantaneously died. We were left with chaos in a completely different climate. Places that were covered in ice are now raging rivers. The whole thing's fucked. All the animals are dead.

Most people you know that are anywhere near the impact are dead. People get washed away in the floods. Entire civilizations just instantaneously flooded and destroyed. That could happen again. That could happen again tomorrow.

That could happen again next month. It's we're in the shooting gallery. We're in the shooting gallery of the universe, and I bet that's pretty common. So I bet the race is to try to get intelligent enough that you can do all these different things, but also intelligent enough that you abandon these ancient primal instincts that you have. And that's where we're we're at the cusp of that.

We're at the cusp of our our tribal chaos mixed in with impossible knowledge, and it's all, like, happening at the same time. And so this is wild race that's going on and people like you and people like me and people that are hopeful, we hope we get it right. We hope we get it right, but we might not get it right. And I think out there in the universe, I think it's probably more likely that people don't get it right than do get it right. And if they do get wiped out I mean, we got the Toba volcano.

We got down somewhere around 70,000 years ago to a few 1000 people on earth. What are those motherfuckers like? Like, Jesus Christ. Those those are our ancestors. Those people must have been brutal.

Well, that that's 1 of the things I've just seen even on the on the smaller scale of the war in Ukraine is, you know, your house or the city gets destroyed and people adapt immediately. Like, the tough people rise up. Like, it changes you immediately. Yeah. There's a resilience to the human spirit.

It's crazy.

Mhmm.

You can adjust. So if if an asteroid hits earth, like the United States, you know, let's say 70% of people dead.

Yeah. Like You get to unlock power that, like, your character in the video game has.

Yeah. I mean, they're this is where the people in Texas immediately become, the the value commodity versus, like, I don't know, people in Silicon Valley or something. Yeah. Technology doesn't matter. None of that matters.

Survival matters. Individual radical individualism matters. And that's 1 of the things that gives me all

Community matters.

Local. Low very

local. You gotta band together.

But, like, it's really is a tension of because it's not collectivism. It's not like Right. So governments that rely on central authorities fall apart from that kind of thing.

Well, 100%. Any natural disaster government, like a real big 1, like an asteroid impact, it's gone. No. The the government doesn't do anything anymore. They're useless.

Power goes out for a month, they're gone. Everybody's gone. It's any man from self. No one's protecting you from outlaws. You've seen that already in the California fires.

There's gangs of kids, 100 at a time, breaking into houses and looting them in the middle of these evacuation zones. You're seeing chaos. They can't protect you from that if if something happens, and that this is something we're not prepared for. We're spending so much time doing other things and not recognizing the incredible vulnerability that our society has. This very fragile system that we put in place that's so much better than at any time in human history.

This is the best time to be alive ever by far, and it's so fragile. And we don't think it's fragile because the power stays on.

Yeah. And 1 of the things, you know, just having traveled across the world, like, the thing that really America stands out with and why I'm excited about what's happening now is the the radical individual freedom. I think the freer the country is, the individual back to Genghis Khan, with the free free freedom to practice religion, the freer the people are, the more resilient they are to the, the the terrors, the cat catastrophes of the world. Yeah. They just respond.

They're much more dynamic. The more centralized and, collectivist the society is, the more you're susceptible to corruption, to this kind of propaganda that, you know, you're not able to respond to even, like, the the pandemic. There's just governments are not able to do that. The the Fauci's of the world will always emerge.

Right.

They just it's it's not even say even Fauci wanted to do the right thing or something. It's just it's very it's impossible for the centralized authorities to do the right thing. You have to have a distributed you you have to put much more weight on the freedom of the individual.

That's a really important thing that you just said. It's impossible for the centralized authorities to do the right thing. It really almost is if they wanna do their job.

That's why Doge I mean, there's there's a lot of problems there. Yeah. You want to, decrease the power, the size, and, the bureaucracy of, the federal government. You want you want them to be mobile, agile, small, efficient Yeah. Distributed to the state or to just just to small companies to companies.

And how about stop going after the American people? How about that too? Which part? In in every part. All sorts of things.

All sorts of things. You know, attacking people, what what's happened with, this country because of, January 6th and their version of it and what what actually happened. Then, you know, the the what f the FBI did with the Twitter files with, influencing things, what they did with, Facebook, where they contact them, we're taking telling them to take down memes.

Can I actually just say about that? I don't know if it he gets enough credit, but I think what Mark Zuckerberg did in your pockets is actually it may not seem that way, but it's it's courageous.

I think it's courageous. I think he had to do it too. I think it's both things.

But, like, internally, he's running a gigantic company.

He's running a gigantic company, but also, this is the way things are rolling. Like, you either get in the way and get rolled over or you get on board. And if you want your company to succeed in today's day and age and not be disdained and and universally, whether it's whether people boycott it or people just start hating on the stock drops, like, if a new thing that's like Facebook because Facebook is, although it's so common, it's 1 of those ones you could do without kind of it doesn't have the kind of information gathering aspect that X does. Like, if I wanna find out what's going on in the world, I go to X. Facebook's not like that.

It's like people talking about stuff and posting videos and things like

I mean, there's also WhatsApp That

that 1 could take a hit. That could take a big hit

Yeah.

If people just decided, like, fuck you and your censorship, you know. And I think more people are inclined to say fuck you and your censorship now than ever before. So it's a good business decision to stop censoring people, and the community notes thing is fucking genius. It's the greatest invention ever in terms of, like, the ability to find out what's right or what's wrong. Listen, let people post things, and it was not true.

Enough people report it. People look at it and go, oh, it turns out that's not true at all, and here's why it's not true. That shit's huge. It's huge. It's funny when Elon gets community noted too.

He gets he gets community noted.

It's so great. It's so great.

Yeah. You get community noted, son. Everybody does. But it's, it's the best way. It's the best way to find out what's real and what's not real.

But then it's also like, you know, should you let people on your platform that are just fucking straight up Nazis and trying to recruit people? Should you let horrible racism exist on your platform? The problem was that slippery slope, man. If you say no

Yeah.

If you say no, then you then other people are gonna decide. You remember Punch a Nazi, what people saying you should punch a Nazi? I remember, like, Kurt Metzger was he was like, well, who the fucking gets to say who's a Nazi? Uh-huh. If it was just like a guy, you know, running a gas chamber, yeah, punch a Nazi.

But if it's just some guy who doesn't think that a a trans woman should be competing against his daughter in high school sports, Like, that's not a Nazi. Like, you've you've changed the term.

I think I think the slippery slope was important. There's there's people like Paulo Dura Dura who's running Telegram, and he was, you know, Europe, rest in peace, is going after him, for, like

You got arrested.

Yeah. Well, because there is legitimate terrorists talking to each other on Telegram, but, like, what's the what's the alternative?

But if it's an encrypted app, how are you gonna stop it? How are you gonna stop if it really is encrypted if they can't read it? Right? Like, this is WhatsApp. If you use WhatsApp, if you and I message each other on WhatsApp, no 1 can read it but us.

Yeah. But the government wants the backdoor. That's what they wanted with Telegram.

But that's crazy because you could use that backdoor in all kinds of ways. Like, they use that backdoor for signal. That's how they found out that Tucker Carlson was talking to Putin's people about setting up an, an interview. He was like, we we know you did it on signals. Tucker's like, I didn't even know you could do that.

That that's what Tucker says.

You think Tucker's lying? How dare you?

He's not lying.

You son of a bitch. You are a Russian plant.

No. CIA, a massage, and Russian. Yes. For sure. All of them?

How'd you get all of them? You gotta you gotta to the meeting, bro. I wanna see what happens.

I'll see the what they do with that goat.

You gotta

Well, Tucker said they read his signal.

Well, it's very possible. But technologically, I'm not sure how it's possible to do that. I mean, it's possible that

But the

way it's been explained to me is even though your phone is encrypted, it's not encrypted to you. Like, you see it. Right? You see it messages. Yeah.

It's encrypted peer to peer.

Yeah.

Right? So if they can just see your phone You mean, they just

have to do screen recording something?

Yeah. 100 not just screen recording. Get access to your phone. Find out all your contacts, all your emails. Yes.

But All your passwords, all your applications and to encrypt aside, it's difficult. I mean, it's possible. It's difficult.

But it's not through signal if you're going through the phone. So if you're using Pegasus, you're just compromising the entire phone. If you if signals on that phone, you you know the passwords already. You go into signal, you can go into anything.

Oh, in that way. Yeah. I got it.

You're you have access to the phone. But

that's right. That's that's legitimate hacking. Right?

Right.

But this is what they're doing. Right. Like,

That's not what they wanted with Telegram. They wanted, like, full on backdoor. But with Gavin de Becker explained this

to me. He said with with, Pegasus 1, you needed to click a link. Right? There's this this was the Jeff Bezos thing. Someone sent him a bad link on WhatsApp.

He clicked it. They had access to his phone. They got compromising information on him. With Pegasus too, they just need your phone number. So they got your phone number.

Boom. They're in your phone. That's it. And so if that's the case, if you have a a an app like Signal, like, I would assume they could read your signal.

Mhmm.

Because that's, like, right there on your phone. Like, if you already got the phone open, and they've got a a compromise where they can get into your into your phone.

That's actually, by the way, why, you know, I'm going to Ukraine, going to Russia, going back to Ukraine.

Trying to get your phone hacked.

Well, I also try to make sure, like, dick pics that I sent to you and Tim Dillon aside, I I try not to there's nothing to hide.

Right. Do you have a burner?

Do you

get a burner phone that you bring when you go overseas?

No. You bring

your real phone?

I wouldn't tell you.

Bro, that phone is hearing everything we say.

Yeah. For sure. For sure. What what are we saying that we're we need to hide? I mean, there is some embarrassing things for sure.

Like, you know Drunk texts. Drunk texts. Yeah. I mean, from the past. I'm some shit from the pa I'm so glad I grew up when I did.

Oh my god. Imagine if you were 15 with a a phone that you take a picture of your dick. So somebody,

somebody so there's, like, a hit piece on me. Fine. Great. Wonderful. I love you all.

Write some more. But this journalist found, like, some shit poetry I wrote. Oh, no. I mean, it When

you were young? Yeah. Well, for you to hanging around with comedians?

So it was, like, late it might have been late twenties, early thirties, so it's not like, there's not even an excuse that you're not that young.

It just sucked.

It just sucked. Yeah. And it and then I was just reading it because they they know how to get who is this article for? Because I It's

for the person writing it. They wanna hate on you, and it's clicks. And you're popular. So they wanna hate on you by, attacking your shitty poster.

Hilarious because, like

Well, they got you. You gave them a little rope Yeah. And, they hung

you with it. But, like, what I'm saying is that's not a big deal. The the bigger deal is, like, if you grew up with that like, so there's, like, shit you said when you're 14 or 14 or 16.

Yeah. Exactly.

Yeah. Even the piece, like, you know, that that stuff, like, the article, all of that kind of stuff, you can even I mean, 1 of the big things we have to do is allow people to evolve and just say, you know. Yeah. Yeah. That was shit poetry.

Well, I'm still horrible. I'm worse at poetry now, but, like, that was embarrassing that I would be publishing,

shit poetry. That these people that attack, almost all of them are leftists. And I think leftism is a religion, just like being a Christian is religion. In that, there's like a there's a a way that you, approach it. Marc Andreessen says it best.

He he was describing that it has all of the attributes of a cult, and I think people have a default system in their mind. We all do. That we fall into that gives us, like, a religious like adherence to some ideas. And, the thing that this cult is lacking, which is paramount to Christianity, is forgiveness. There's no root road to redemption.

Everyone is ostracized and kicked out. And what you wind up doing is you wind up cannibalizing your own thing. You can never be left enough. There's always crazy people that are, like, far to the end of it and every ideological group gets defined by its most extreme members. That's why when people think about, like, far right people, who do you think the worst people?

You think of, like, people who want war, warmongers, assholes, you know, stupid people, un you know, uneducated. That's what people think of when they think of, like, the worst. They think of, like, white nationalist. That's what they think of when they think of far right. So you can kinda, like, you flavor everything else in the group by the worst members of the group.

And if you don't have forgiveness in your religion, like, you have a fucking terrible religion. If you don't have a path to redemption and you want extreme adherence to dogma, even if, like, even if whatever this idea with this ideology that you're pushing is, like, clearly clearly destructive to a bunch of humans. That's what they're dealing with. It's like people fall in the thought patterns, man. The most people are too busy to formalize their own opinion, so they develop opinions to sort of merge with the people that they're in touch with all the time.

And if you get stuck in 1 of those fucking woke hives, like, you're you're basically surrounded by mentally ill people that are preaching in a logical version of the world that no 1 no 1 believes could ever exist.

I hope there there will be left wing leaders that emerge that kind of shed that.

I think they will have to just by virtue of sir their survival. I think the woke thing is so widely rejected now. And when I say the woke thing, I mean, this this what Elon calls the mind virus. The the crazy aspect of it, like, your kid knows it's trans when it's 2. That kind of shit.

Like, the people that are just far off the rails, that's gonna die off. It's just it's just too nutty, and it doesn't make any sense, and it's ultimately destructive to a lot of different groups of people, and it's not fair. It's like the the trans women in sports thing is the most unfair aspect of it. That 1 that one's so crazy. When you see people argue for it, inclusivity, all like, you're out of your fucking mind.

Like, you're out of your mind. And the inability to discern who's a pervert and who's actually trans, like, the impossible nature and then just greenlighting perverts to do whatever they want.

And that you know, my concern is I do think the the wokeism is either dying or dead. My concern is those folks who are now looking for a new religion. There's people like that on the right. I think they're mostly rejected. No.

There's a lot of

people like that on the right. The right has a woke right. They have an attacking woke fucking they they they're they're not united. There's there's an aspect to the right that attacks other people on the right, especially now because the right has, like, more attention than ever before. There's, like, there's a whole always gonna be a group in any sort of ideology.

There's gonna be a group of people that use the opportunity to, attack people to elevate themselves.

Yeah. The I think Marc Andreessen

It's going off? 5 minutes. 5 minutes.

I think Marc Andreessen calls the battle, I think, on the right, maybe between the the techno libertarians versus the nationalists. So there's these, like, protectionist people that say, like, no more immigration. Right. Mass deport everybody. And then there's these people, which they align a lot of ideas.

These people that say we need to fucking build

Yeah.

Like, they're both America first, but they just have a different flavor of that. You know, the Marc Andreesans of the world probably are or at least Silicon Valley accepts immigration. Like, we need to allow legal immigration of the best people in the world. Right. But the nationalist part of the right, they're like, no.

Fuck that. Fuck you with your h 1 b. Fuck you with

the Yeah.

But we don't need it anymore. We need America. Yeah. We don't need,

what is your take on the h 1 b thing? Because, I I saw the argument, and I was like, wait a minute. What is it? Do you guys want cheap labor? Are you trying to get, like, super skillful engineers from other places?

Like, what are we asking for here?

I think, as I understand, h 1 b is just abused to get cheaper labor. Yeah. But so he needs to be reformed. I think the argument got really muddled.

Right. Because everybody was looking at the worst aspects of h 1 b, which is the cheap labor. Right?

But there is an aspect that I think there's there's an o 1 visa. There's different kinds of visas where, like, we need to get the bat the the best, baddest motherfuckers from the all the the rest of the world and have them, work here.

Look at that, baby. 353 to go. Look at it steaming. Look at all those carbons being emitted into the atmosphere by people who sell electric cars. You'd have to drive a 100000 fucking cars 24 hours a day for a year just to to get any of the release of carbon that that thing has.

Here you go with your woke bullshit again.

You'd have to drive my Chevelle until the universe died of heat death to get as much as you're gonna get off of this 1 rocket launch.

Turns out, you need a combustion engine to to get off this,

Do you think we do, man? What do you think is going on with the UAPs? Do you think these motherfuckers have some new shit?

Well, that's Eric Weinstein. Like, you don't need to worry about the rockets. You need to crack physics. Yeah. I think I think yeah.

I think last time

has a very unusual theory involving that 1 university that has a completely overqualified physics department. It's also connected to a, stock broker or not a stock broker, a financial thing. What are those things called? Well, they you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?

I need more.

Like keyword or something. Goddamn it. No. The point is

I think tank.

No. It's like some financial investment group that does better numbers. They do like Bernie Madoff numbers, like nutty numbers. Mhmm. What's that?

Venture capital. Venture thank you. That's it. So this company is connected to this university. This company makes extraordinary amounts of money.

This university has an insane physics department, and, like, they're not publishing anything. And Eric's like, what are you guys doing? Weird. What the fuck are you doing? So he thinks that these motherfuckers branched off.

He thinks that the the government probably got a bunch of, like, super top secret squirrel type dudes. They're working on some high level shit, and they branched off decades ago. And that they've been working on this for a long time.

Of course, the military often swoops in and wants that talent, wants that technology, wants those ideas. Right?

They're probably connected, all inner intertwined with the military because who's gonna build these things. Right? You need the defense department. You need, You need, defense contractors rather. You need, like, Raytheon.

You need someone like that who knows how to make spaceships, like, make this fucking thing, you know. And they probably back engineered it all. They probably found some crash things that are probably left here on purpose and, like, figure it out, monkeys. And then in, you know, 1947, these dudes are fucking fumbling around and all of a sudden, they figure out fiber optics.

All of

a sudden, they figure out transistors. Also, they're like there's a bunch of weird shit that just kind of emerges after these crash sites. That's what I like to believe.

Yeah. I kinda believe that. I also believe that there's that they're they're not so focused on us. They're doing it here and everywhere else too. Like, this is Maybe.

I I

Why wouldn't they be focused on us? I would focus

feel like there's a lot a lot of tribes.

I I think the Amazon I bet it takes a long ass time for it to get to the distance that our Earth got from the sun where you can get liquid water, and it only lasts for a little while till it freezes again.

Maybe if that's the case and they understand that, then yes. Then we're special.

If you thought about, like, the way let's just assume that the way life was created on Earth is the only way life is created anywhere in the universe. Let's assume that all those rules apply.

Like water

And let's assume that Terrence Howard's onto something.

The peopling. The peopling.

You would imagine that it would have to get where we are, where where the water melts

Mhmm.

Where the ice melts. 17 seconds. And then life emerges from the sea like it did here. Mhmm. Right?

Doesn't that make sense that that would happen every minus 10. Oh, Jesus.

8. Wherever there's water

There we go. 6,

5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

Here it goes.

We have lift ups.

That's a 100,000,000 diesel trucks blowing coal. This is America, baby. Look at that thing.

The vehicle's pitching downrange.

Holy shit, man. And that that thing is gonna get caught. Bro I'm still checking pressure's not I want a rocket. I just decided I want a rocket.

You could go up

on that, dude. I need a rocket

to podcast some space. I want a rocket. Look down.

Alright. We're more than 30 seconds into flight. Telemetry 30 seconds. Out of 33 engines as it's pitching down range.

Look how high that is in 30 seconds.

Booster and ship, avionic power, telemetry nominal.

Oh, bro.

Dropping off your feet.

Call out something.

Is it gonna snap off? Avionics.

You just heard the rest

of it.

That's about 6 miles away.

When it snaps off, where's it go?

Starship arc into just You're

talking about the the the the

they drop it in the ocean?

No. It lands.

Oh, that's right. It gets caught. That's right.

It's the Falcon. Yeah. It gets caught by these

better than the flight. The vehicle's super sharp.

I know. I was thinking about, like, the Saturn 5. I think it was, like, a boost. I forgot. It's actually can land, which is even nuttier.

Yeah. It's nutty. It's it's it's that this gigantic thing that's size of a skyscraper is gonna it it just lands.

They just pass through the greatest stress the vehicle's gonna experience going uphill.

Speed is 2,000 kilometers an hour.

What the fuck?

It keeps getting faster.

Yeah. Look how

high it is, As

they get away from the gravity of Earth, look how it gets faster, you fucking flat

Earth dorks. It gets easier and easier. I don't know. It looks flat from here.

Take your eyes off It does look flat. They're right. Oh my god. Bro, you believe this CGI? You really believe this is happening?

Yeah. You are a shill, Lex.

Need to

ignite. That's gonna happen while we're still attached.

Watch. The camera might go off for a little bit, which will explain everything.

Have you seen the guy who takes the flat earth people to Antarctica where they could see the the sun to sit around and they're like, oh,

shit. Shit.

Well You can go to Antarctica that's done in ice ball?

No. I mean, I like people that can change their mind in that way. Bro. Let's see. Let's see if it lands.

It should be a few minutes.

So nuts.

I think this here in the corner is, like, all the different boosters or something.

So it's 54 miles or 54 kilometers in the sky right now. Fuck, dude.

And it actually has, I think, satellites on board.

It was. I was active.

We just heard the call out for

Just turned them

all off.

Just slowed down. Engine startup.

Most engines cut off down at

the stage separation. So that fucker's gonna go land. That's gonna go land. That's so That's a building race.

Does that take now?

Like, 2 minutes before it comes back down?

Maybe 3, 4 more.

That is so fucking crazy. It's gonna go land now.

Alright. Hot states could turn. We've got a booster hopefully on our way.

Look at the Earth. It looks round.

And a ship now making

Let's the Earth the Earth looks kinda round. That's motherfucker. Oh, wait a minute. It looks flat there.

This is a new camera that's definitely shaped.

Oh, this is the real camera. That other 1 is bullshit.

It looks kinda more around me.

That other 1 is a fisheye lens. Stars

out there.

Engines. Yeah. Stars? This

is bullshit.

This is in a lab in Nevada.

Go for booster return.

This is

a screensaver. What is this?

We are

going for booster return. Wow. There's a lot of crazy I think they have a payload of a of a satellite that they're, like, testing, releasing. So

Bro, imagine what it feels like looking out the window and seeing

the right. It's going way faster now.

It's humbling.

The it's almost a 6000 kilometers an hour.

Oh my god.

Heading back down. Still slowing down. Wow. Oh. Space station?

Yeah.

There's a

What is that? Is that the space station? Is that what that is?

I hope so. I don't know what

She just said it. She just said it.

Alright. Otherwise, we just saw some

UFO. She she just said

it. Definitely a UFO.

This is a that confirms boost back burn

Is it possible they get that close to the space station? Like, hey, guys.

For the vehicle to make a spike. Yeah. I mean, they're extremely precise about their flight trajectory.

Gonna be 13 of those center engines igniting again, and that will then go down to

So you would would you ever fly around 1 of these?

Engines just right

before we

touch down for that booster test.

No. No. No. No. No.

That is

How much how much would you how much would I need to pay you this? No. No. No. No.

No. No. I'm already rich.

You can't get me. With that. That's the 1 fucking money thing. Yeah. I don't I don't have that expensive taste.

We're looking good for that so far.

No. I would love to find 1 of these, man.

From the ship to Earth, that looks incredible.

Dude, that's

so incredibly flat.

Look at CGI, bro.

Starship's ship is still firing its engines right now.

Starship trajectory.

They're pretty cool.

What do you

think would happen if you did send flat earthers up in that and they got to see? Do you think they would believe what they're how many of them are schizophrenic, though?

Oh, you they'll they'll think everything was a lie.

Like, what percentage of the flat earth community like, the percentage of all communities, it's like 1% that are schizophrenic. Right? But don't you think Isn't it? Like, across the

boards? Something like that.

Yeah. So it's not disparaging the flat earth community. I'm just saying.

Well, could could you be like schizophrenic light? Higher percentage. Can you can you just be a little schizophrenic?

You definitely can. I know a dude that you gotta touch. They gotta touch.

Yeah. A little bit.

Just a touch. I told the story once. I was talking to this comedian and, I've known this guy forever. I thought he's totally normal. And but he's always, like, odd.

And he starts showing me pictures on his phone of clouds.

Mhmm.

He's, like, see that? I go, yeah.

It's gonna go through a cloud right now. Woah. It's a high ass cloud.

Holy shit.

20 kilometers up. Wow. For that.

That's so fucking cool. How fucking cool is that? That this thing is gonna go land now.

You wanna make a bet about if it's gonna catch?

Oh, it's gonna catch. Alright.

Yeah. I believe so too.

Yeah. No. I I wouldn't bet against it. That would be un American.

Yeah. What do you mean American?

Look how cool that is, man. Wow.

They're focusing on it now from a distance.

It just dropped fast. It's now only 3 2 kilometers above. Wow. That's going real quick.

Second tower catch.

Are you

certainly ready to start?

Bro, this is so insane. It's amazing. This is so insane.

So it has this it's it's controlling the tower for Look at fully the position this is.

Look at the tower coming in to catch it too. Get ready for that boom. Oh my god.

Engines. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Wow. Holy shit now.

That is so fucking badass.

That is so nuts.

7 minutes from when I left. 7 minutes for the whole flight?

Yeah.

Wow.

That's a fucking building.

You heard it here, Beckzilla.

That is so dope.

Look at the other ones.

What is that?

In speed. 16,000 kilometers an hour.

Oh my god.

A 100 and 40 kilometers away. Wow.

New Glenn yesterday. Starship today. This is why I fucking love America.

That's so incredible, dude. It's so incredible. Hey, the question is, like, how tall is that in reference to, like, a building? Isn't it like a 20 story building or something crazy?

Before it took off right there.

Yeah. Wow. It is Look how much bigger it is than the Millennium Falcon. I like how they

he compares it

to the Millennium Falcon. How fucking amazing is that? What's the other 1? Is that Blue Origin? SpaceX.

Oh, that's another SpaceX 1?

It's bit it's bigger than the Blue Origin rocket, by quite a bit. It is I think it's the biggest rocket ever made.

A 123 meters.

Yeah. And that that part right here halfway, that's what came back.

Right. So that's gotta be I mean, you think do you think it's it looks higher than half.

How many floors of, like, a sky?

It's gotta be 70 meters. That's so crazy. That's so big.

Yeah. It's like 33 Raptor engines. So it's just the raw power. Just just even 1 of those engines is it's like if you ever see it live, it's incredible.

It's so much cooler watching it actually happen live than it is watching a video.

Yeah.

When you watch a video, you're like, yeah, that's cool, but, like, we didn't know it was gonna happen. Yeah. That's the cool thing about live. Yeah. Fuck, yeah.

That was awesome.

That was fucking cool.

Let's end with that. We're ending on a positive note. American ingenuity, baby.

Let's go, America. Peace on Earth.

Good 1 to all. Love you, brother. Love you too, man.

Thank you. Bye. Bye, brother.