Transcript of #2207 - Shawn Ryan

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How are you?

How are you, man? How's it going? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

I really enjoy your show. It's very different. When I first started watching it, I was like, Oh, this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds of crazy people. I like you like a Navy Seal, Art Bell. It's Yeah. That guy, what a crazy story, man. You imagine being involved in that shit?

How much do you believe it, though?

When I hear the UFO stuff, there's direct energy weapons in Antarctica, you're letting that guy go out. He's going out on a long ass pier. Oh, yeah. Eric Hacker. All those stories are so Don't get suckered into this. This shit's nonsense. There's something that it just feels like... If they told me a supervolcano was going to erupt, I believe it. Supervolcan was definitely real. There's a historical precedent. They've ruined civilizations. They tell me that there's UFOs, and part of me is just like, I don't fucking believe you. You know what I mean?

You know what bothers me about the whole camp is None of these camps talk to each other. My camp knows everything.

Isn't that always the case, though? That's the case in the military often, right? Oh, yeah.

I was going to compare it to special officer. That guy doesn't know shit. I know that's That's how...

When I was really young, I was like 24, I was dating this girl. She did something in government, and she was explaining to me, So this is pre-Internet-ish. People didn't have the Internet then. It was like early '90s, right? And she said that one of her jobs was to make sure that information that the Navy had received would be available to the army. So you have to make sure people aren't running redundant tests. We already did this. We'll get you this information. So there was a database in these computer terminals where she could share information. And she had some top clearance. And one day, just fucking around, she wrote Little Green Men in the search function. And her computer got shut down, and then people visited her. And they asked her, What are you Why did you look this up? What is this all about? I think she wound up either getting fired or transferred to some other position or lost whatever clearance that she had.

Interesting. I've not heard that one.

When I was young, I was like, Wow, aliens are real. But as an older man, now looking back on it, I go, Well, maybe what she was doing was inappropriate for her job. Maybe what she was doing was demonstrating that she couldn't be trusted because she's doing something that's not... There was no request to look up little green men. She did it on her own.

Is this 100% factual?

Hard to tell. Hard to tell because it was a girl I dated. I don't really know. Oh, you dated her? Yeah, dated her. Like I said, early '90s, I was living in New York. I had actually dated her in Boston. Then we met up again in New York a couple of years later. She was telling me about her job, and then she was telling me, Check this out.

I shouldn't be telling you this, but here- Back then, I was all in on UFOs.

I was like, Wow, a UFO is real. But as an older man, I look back and go, Well, if you have some kid, she was basically my age. She's probably 24 as well. You're having this kid work in these terminals that has access to top secret information and they have clearance, I would say, Hey, maybe you shouldn't be just looking up shit randomly. We can't have this kid. We can't trust this kid.

It doesn't seem like everything's still compartmentalized in government And especially at that classified, whatever, security clearance level. I mean, whatever. I didn't get that high up, but I've not seen a database where you can just look anything up like, Oh, shit. Who killed Who Killed Up JFK. Let's look that up real quick.

Well, you know what Trump said about that one, right?

What did he say?

Trump said that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't want to release it either.

Oh, yeah. I did hear that. Crazy.

What a crazy thing to say. Yeah. That can only mean one thing in my eyes. We did it. The only thing that makes any sense is the United States did it.

I mean, more and more just keeps unraveling.

Tucker just comes out and says it openly. He just says it openly. Cia killed Kennedy. He has a crazy laugh. I don't know who could actually say it other than the people that have read those papers. Who knows what they would... The President is basically a part-time employee. Not a part-time employee, but a short-term employee. If you got a long run in business and for some technicality, every now and then, you have to bring in some fucking CEO, and he does a four-year term, and then hopefully, he could finagle it so he gets another four-year term if he's playing by the rules, and you just bring them in.

That's a good way to put it. Yeah.

Why would you tell that guy who killed Kennedy? Yeah. They shit from him all the time, which is totally illegal.

What do you think about RFKs, possibly getting in to investigate all that stuff?

I think it would be one of the best things for the health of the people in the United States. If you really care about health, I think there's a lot of us, and it was me at one point in time, and I've gotten more educated about it, a lot of us are very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies with food and with medications. And I don't think we're being told the truth. And I think there's a reason why other countries, multiple other countries, have banned food elements, food ingredients that we use all the time. These red dyes, all these different things. And this was all... There was just a recent thing that they did. Who was involved in that? Brigham testified in that. Yeah, that was yesterday. They had all these health experts testify, and they were all hammering this point over and over again. They were talking about the food additives. They were talking about glyphosate and how fucking dangerous glyphosate is. An enormous percentage of people show traces of glyphosate in their blood. We're getting it through all kinds of vegetables. It's ubiquitously sprayed on monocrop agriculture crops. We're all just consuming these poisons.

There's no reason to have fluoride in the water. There's fucking no reason. We've been putting fluoride in the water. Keep your teeth. You don't want cavities. It doesn't make any sense. And we've been doing it forever. And there's no reason to do it. And there's real data that shows that high levels of fluorine in water lowers IQ. The higher the fluorine is in water in certain areas, they can see a measurable dip in people's IQs.

Wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. Have you messed around with it? Have you heard of the Yuka app?

No.

Dude, you got to get the Yuka app. What is it? So you basically scan anything, like food-related-It's Y-U-K-A? Soak deodorant. How do you spell it? I think it's Y-U-C-A.

There it is. Oh, nice. There it is. Y-u-k-a. Shout out to Yuka.

There it is. See, like Honey Nut. So it'll tell you the additives in there.

It contains additives to avoid sugar.

Look at that. And it'll tell you all the chemicals and what the chemicals do to you.

That's genius.

Yeah, it's pretty. What a great ad.

No ads. We just did an ad for them. Good for them, though, but that's what people need. I think if RFK gets office, he will expose a lot of this stuff, just like he did when he was an environmental attorney. People think of him as just the vaccine kook. Listen, you got to look at that guy's... The history of that guy's work has all been about protecting people from corporations that are poisoning them. That's literally what that guy did, his whole career. And if he can do that with health, particularly with things that we can avoid. Look, one of the things they demonstrated is that lucky Charms, as sold in the United States, they don't sell the same one in Canada. In Canada, the dyes that we use to make it all pretty and exciting for kids, they don't allow that because it's fucking toxic. So we allow it, which means someone's corrupt. Someone's corrupt.

Probably the whole system, maybe.

Probably the whole system is heavily influenced, at the very least. Forget about bribery. Let's not even say bribery. Heavily influenced by relationships that these people have with CEOs in these corporations and the boards of executives, and this weird little revolving door between the FDA and the CDC and all these different organizations. Then they leave, and then they get this amazing job working for some huge corporation that they were helping regulate just a few years ago. It's the most transparent thing. It should be... If insider trading is illegal, how's that legal?

Good point. I mean, does FDA approval even mean anything to you?

Not to It doesn't to me. But it took a long time before I got to that. It took a long time before I really understood why do we think that saturated fat is bad? Oh, it was a lie by the sugar companies. Okay, why do people tell you that vitamin supplementation doesn't really help and you just need a balanced diet? Oh, because doctors don't know jack shit about nutrition, and then you're going to a guy who literally knows less than you because he went to medical school for how to fix knees or whatever the fuck he specialized in, and you're taking this guy's advice, and he doesn't He doesn't know anything about nutrition. He's not read any peer-review data. That guy is just trying to keep up. He's got fucking bills piling in, and he's bringing people and shuffling them through the office, and he's worried about his... You have the insurance in case you fuck up, malpractice insurance, and you have to pay your medical school bills. And those guys are barely getting... They're floating. They're trying to just run people through their office as fast as they can. Does it bother you if there's some type, I don't know, some type of a new...

Does it bother you if it's not FDA approved at all, if it's new? Like, nobody's looked into it?

Well, I wouldn't dig anything. No one's looked, especially a drug. It's just like, Give it some time, kids. Give it some time. I mean, how many times do they have to pull drugs before people... What is the percentage of drugs that the FDA approves and then pulls? I believe it's 25%.

I have no idea.

I think it's 25%. See if that's true. So this is the ones that they approve, and then eventually they find, Oh, this stuff is terrible for you, and then they pull it. I think it's 25%, which, what does it say? One-third? Oh, shit. One-third. I was off. According to the 2017 study, which is probably worse now, about one-third of drugs approved by the FDA within a 10-year period receive alerts, warnings, or recalls in the years following their approval. That's fucking bananas. Give it some time, kids. Also, if you Have you seen the Steven Crowder undercover thing he did with that COVID Tsar in New York? No. Have you seen that? Jamie, go to his page and find the most recent one, because the most recent one is fascinating. Because the most recent one, this guy is openly talking about how Monkeypox is not really a threat, but they're trying to present it as a threat so they could sell this medication. They're talking about pushing this. This guy is openly talking about Monkeypox is really just gay guys get it from unprotected. I'll let him- That's not the video.

That's the guy, though, right?

Yeah. Is it on his Instagram? Go to it. I'll show you which one it is. It's just not playing a video. Oh, maybe here. Yeah, that's it. Is it? You did it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not it. That's not it. That's because that's the one where he's talking about how he shut the city down. There's a recent one. No. I know. Maybe it's somewhere else. Let me scroll down a little bit. See if you can find the one. See that one right there that's yellow? That's yellow there. But which one? There's got to be one where he's talking about Monkeypox. Because that was the one I was watching today. That's not because that's all about shutting the schools down. God damn it, we got to find it. Okay, just find it and get to us. Because I know I might have watched it on X. I probably thought I'm saying X now. Yeah, good for you. I feel politically correct. When I call a transgender person a girl, she. Are you like, How did that? I said she.

Were you talking to him directly?

No, that's not it. That's Crowder confronting him. That guy's fired now. That guy's fucked. But the Monkeypox one, god damn it, I know I saved it. If you want, I can find it. I saved it on my phone because I was like, this is just so bonkers that these people are having conversations in public and openly admitting that they're trying to push people into taking drugs. It doesn't even work. I have a link to the video, though. Really? Interesting. God damn it. This is going to be a problem. I'm not going to find it. If See if you could find it. It's got to be out there because I watched it this morning. Did you go Monkeypox? Nothing?

It's going to be in one of these links. I just have to take a second.

Oh, wait, hold on. Back up. Back up. That was right there. Right above that. Dr. J. Varner. Okay, this is it.

It's not the same thing as the last one.

There's no link to the video. Oh, so is it because the New York Post doesn't show it? That's okay. We could just read what it says because it's interesting. We don't have to hear him say it. But Steven Crowter has decided to do this James O'Keefe type deal, and I don't know how they do that. It's pretty wizardry. Yeah. You know, generally, I think you get a gay guy who likes to talk and some handsome dude who can sit down with this guy and get him a little tipsy. That seems to be happy. Gay guys like to spill the beans. He previously served as senior health advisor to then-mayor Bill De Blasio, who was tasked with running Big Apple's pandemic response. Okay, so he was talking about the approval process while discussing SIGA technologies, Technovirabant or T-Pox drug. So this is the drug for monkeypox. That's why spinning it in the media is helpful. We want the FDA to approve our drugs, specifically for Monkeypox, and right now it's only considered experimental, and they won't approve it, he said. And the US T-Pox is not approved by the FDA for treatment of Mpox, but could be used to treat patients as part of a clinical trial known as the Study of Technoviramat for Human Mpox Virus, According to Signate Technologies.

The company's website added that the STOMP trial is being conducted to evaluate the efficacy of Tpox for the treatment of M-Pox. Varner then griped at the video filmed on August 14th that his then employer is stuck with our drug, but the people aren't going to be as confident in it because the data doesn't look as strong as it should. Then later, he starts talking about the stock prices. He said, Sometimes you do a study and this fucking nothing works at all, or people get really sick from it, he said in the covert recording. The problem is, if you do another study, it'll take a a year or two to do it because you have to get the ethics approval, you got to get the money, you got to get the patients to come in. In the videos, Varmer then gloated about how he knows the reporters well and referenced a September interview with New York Times on Mpox, which touted that Tupac's as a drug used to treat Mpox infection. He also described the World Health Organization's emergency authorisation process before explaining how he wants the media to report on T-Pox. So he was talking...

One of the things in the video, he was talking about stock prices. So they're talking about making it look like these drugs do better than they do, getting people to prescribe them. Okay, hold on. So basically, we're trying to get the media to say, Oh, the drug didn't work because it was designed the wrong way. So they're going to do another study and it'll probably work. And in the meantime, people just prescribe it as an emergency drug. That's what we want the story to be, which is wild to say out loud. And he said, The risk of Mpoq spreading in US is very low, and it's almost certainly going to stay among gay men. So it's all just... It's supposedly only... I don't think in America, I think four people have died from it, which is you got to go hard. That's it, huh? You got to go hard and die from that.

You quit right before they talked about the 10-person sex parties.

Oh, yeah. That was another thing. That was when he got busted for having parties during the COVID lockdowns while he was encouraging the lockdowns. While he was encouraging the lockdowns. You didn't hear that part? No. Oh. So he got... Crowder got him on camera saying that he was doing Molly and partying and saying, I hope somebody doesn't see me doing this Because I could get in real trouble because obviously, I reinforce the lockdowns. Wow.

I mean, surprising, but not.

Boy, everybody's eyes have been opened up over the last few years. No kidding. At least people that are trying to pay attention to how nutty the people are who actually run the show.

Yeah. A lot of people are... I mean, it's crazy. It's like everything you knew is just flipped upside down.

It's like a bunch of actors are running it. That's what it's like, because that's what they're really like. What politicians are like are like, Actors are not quite good-looking enough to get into movies and television shows. They can't host entertainment tonight, but they can read off a teleprompter, and they can do a good... Look, Kamal Harris had one good read off a teleprompter, and she shot up in the polls. That's the power of just a performance when you want to believe something. You want to believe.

I mean, I don't believe anything anymore.

I can't. I was watching this. These guys were breaking down. They can track cell phones. They could figure out who's cell phone was there. They can get metadata. And they were talking about these Kamala Harris rallies, about how organized they are. These people are coming in on busses, and many of them have been to multiple all rallies, and that when this one, this one, local one, like 80% of the people came from somewhere else, and they were all bused in.

How do they know that? How do they know that?

Well, I'll send this to Jamie because this one I actually have. But I think they know it because of the... You could track data on a phone now.

Oh, they're doing the geo-fencing stuff?

I don't know exactly how they do it, but they're doing something in which they can tell when your phone has been in an area. Okay, I found I found this guy's... I found the other video. Yeah, here, I'll show it to you, Jamie, because it's even grosser hearing it come out of this guy's mouth.

This is an hour and a half video on his YouTube channel that I think it's taken from.

Yeah, but this is the clip. I'm sending you the clip from Instagram for whatever. I don't know if Instagram is hiding it. I don't know what's happening.

They wouldn't do that.

It's on his louder with crowdder page.

That's why. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. God, I hate looking up things on my phone in the middle of a fucking show, but sometimes you have to. So these guys, essentially what they were showing is that... Here it is. It's very organized. And people are being bused in. And is that okay? Is that ethical? I mean, maybe just making it more convenient for them to go to the Kamel Harris rally. Nothing wrong with that. But if you're organizing crowds, say if you do a game show, If you host a game show, Wheel of Fortune. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Those people are all paid. Most of them, or sometimes you let fans do it for a very popular show. But I have personally been on a lot of shows where the audience is paid. Interesting. It's basically like if you're filming a sitcom, and nobody knows what the sitcom is, there's a company that you can hire and you pay the audience to come in. And the people cheer. They have an applause sign. Everybody cheers. They're laugh when you tell them to laugh. There's a guy in the audience that's doing this to them that the people at home don't see.

So it's all theater, right? So they could do that same strategy for a political rally easily. If you're talking about all the money that you're going to be in control of when you are the President of the United States, which is a spectacular position, not just that, but then all the money you're going to make in appearances and forever. You're going to do Goldman Sachs talks and make a half a million dollars for no apparent reason. There's so much money involved. You don't think you would pay audiences to come and cheer? That's cheap.

Yeah.

That's cheap.

I don't know. Do you think that's immoral?

Well, I think we have very loose rules on what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do. There was a lot of outrage because people were saying that ABC somehow or another had gotten the subject matter to Kamala, and that they had agreed to Kamala that they were not going to ask her about her DA record when she was in California, and that they were not going to talk about some other person she was involved with that might be in trouble. And they weren't going to fact check her. And then they said they were only going to fact check Donald Trump.

Yeah.

Which is what led to her saying quite a few things that weren't true, and no one said anything about it, particularly about troops being deployed overseas. Disease. Yeah. Did you see that video where the troops are like, What the fuck are you talking about?

I got a really good friend of mine that's deployed in overseas right now.

Not according to Kamala Harris.

And yeah, he's sniping bad guys over in Africa.

How mad would he be if he heard that?

I mean, they're pissed.

I'm not in a war zone.

They're pissed.

They should be pissed. So this is from an Instagram account. I don't know what podcast this clip came from, but let's just play it.

Rally, 5,03 mobile devices at Kamala Harris's Rally in Charlotte, North Carolina on Thursday afternoon. It appears over 3,600 came from Georgia, mainly Atlanta, Georgia, and approximately 720 from Savannah, Georgia. So that's a North Carolina rally with almost 80% of the attendees being from Georgia. After you do the math, that's only 600 or so local people from North Carolina that attended.

That's all who shows up and you're planning to what? Get 80 something million votes again?

Something ain't right.

And then all these people come from busses. And it's weird because at the Trump events, you don't really have organized busses like that.

People just show up and park on their own.

But at the Kamala Rally, there's just these lines of busses at every event, which is weird. A lot of the people are also the same people that attend multiple rallies. Can you read those tweets?

Any of the same ones from previous event? Because this guy is tracking the cell phones, I guess, and he says, 90% have been three plus rallies, 54% were even at Arizona and Nevada.

Now, it could be that she's so popular that it's like Swift's. They just follow her around. Or it could be like the Grateful Dead was in the 1970s. Maybe that's what's going on. Maybe she's just so amazing all of a sudden. Maybe Stella got her groove. Something happened and she just kicked into gear, and now she's her best self. Yeah. Her best self. She's going to be the President. Yay, Let's go to these rallies.

I'm sure that's what's going on.

Could be that. It could be that.

I don't think it's really immoral. It's not even immoral. It's just a rally. Everybody wants their rally to be full. It's a facade, man.

It's just a facade. If you can do it for a game show, you could do it for a political event. I don't think it's immoral. I think if they did give her the questions, and this is someone signed an affidavit David. See what's going on with that. See what's the latest with that, Jamie. So someone signed an affidavit that was an ABC employee that claims these things. And it was very clear there was bias. It was very clear that they were fact-checking him and not fact-checking her. But unfortunately, he doesn't do himself any favors because he goes off the rails sometimes. They're eating dogs. They're eating cats. Which, by the way, they may very well be doing that. That's the thing they do in Haiti Sometimes. Sometimes they sacrifice animals, and they have local rituals, religious rituals that they do.

I mean, this has been going on for a long time, though. Sometimes the kum pao chicken is a chicken. I mean, that's a real thing.

That's a real thing. And to try to pretend that it's racist to say that. No, no. Humans sometimes will do things.

According to this, it says that this started with a claim that there was an affidavit, but I don't know that it's ever been actually presented to anyone.

Interesting. And didn't it get discussed on Twitter and people were posting about the veracity of it? I think Elon even put it on his... Who's... No. Colin Rugg, I know, had it on his. Yeah. I think it's probably going to be hard to tell unless charges are filed.

It's made it to Congress, but it doesn't say that it was...

I don't see it. It said it made it to Congress.

They talked about it, but he didn't know if the claim it as accurate.

Bill Ackman. That's right. Bill Ackman was the guy who tweeted it. He didn't I don't know if the claim was accurate, but shared it anyway, which is what's fun. It's fun to do on the Internet. Vance addressed the supposed whistleblower's allegations with the reporter saying it should be a national scandal, if true. Trump again mentioned the whistleblower September 13th at a rally in Las Vegas, claiming that Harris had received the debate questions in advance. Fortunately, we had a leaker or a whistleblower. I don't care which. I love that person. The way he talks, it's such a Trump statement. Representative Dan Mouser, Mouser, in a Pennsylvania Senate Fox News interview that he would try to bring in ABC News and the whistleblower before Congress to testify about the affidavit.

They said that the person who did it was killed in a car crash, and that seems to be false.

Yeah, that was amplified by Marjorie Taylor-Green, who also doesn't do herself any favors. I think they do stuff like that. This is my take on that. When I saw all these people tweeting that the guy died in a car crash, I was like, That might be a trap. That one might be a trap. I think they do stuff like that. Well, they'll throw out a fake story and get people to share it without looking into it at all. It turns out to be complete horseshit, and it makes the whole thing look like horseshit now. Now it looks like it makes the affidavit, it's at least connected to horseshit. You know what I mean?

I mean, it's a good tactic. Yeah.

Smart tactic.

They get a lot of good tactics.

They're very organized, which is really interesting. That's one of the things about Trump is that he's so dominant and he's so swing from the hip that no one can corral him. It seems like she's really open to being coached. Some of these speeches are very different than any speech that she's ever given before. And you see the difference between that and then like, do you see the Oprah interview? No. She's off the rails. Yeah, off the rails.

I heard about it. Off the rails.

In the fucking wine mom country again. Wow. But Tim Dylan is the best. Tim Dylan is like, She's saying Gipsy curses. What is she saying?

Oh, man.

It's like when you get her off the rails and she is... It's fucked up, right? Because that's not the job. The job is not being able to sound cool in an interview with Oprah. That's not the job. But that's the most important part about getting the job.

I just want to hear how they're going to accomplish all this stuff.

Well, they're going to do it once they get in, even though they're already in.

That seems to be the typical response, right?

Well, one thing that you could see really clearly is there is a ferocious effort to stop Donald Trump from becoming President again that I've never seen before. I've seen tight races. I've seen people very divided. I've seen it for years. There's always been a division between the Republicans and Democrats in this country, but not like this. Not like this, where the guy almost gets killed twice, and they don't even talk about it.

It's scary, man. It's nuts. It's scary.

Almost gets killed twice. And the second one, they just brushed it off. I don't even think the guy got a shot off. The guy was set up at a golf course for 12 hours with a bulletproof vest on an AK-47 and was specifically there to kill Trump. You don't think that's crazy?

I think it's crazy. They didn't cover it. I mean, it barely got covered.

Barely, barely in and out. And then the brother of the guy where the guy's son gets arrested for child pornography.

Have you looked into the BlackRock commercial stuff at all? Is that real?

The one shooter was in the BlackRock commercial. That was the kid that tried to kill Trump. They said that this guy was in a Black Rock commercial, but I heard that that's not true.

It's bullshit.

But that could be another one that they just throw out there. Yeah, right. You throw one out there like that, and then people retweet it, and those people look stupid because you retweeted something dumb, and then it weakens the public's faith in what you have to say about things, and also makes the story look stupid. That story about that whistleblower will forever be connected to people retweeting the fact that he died in a car accident, even though he didn't die in a car accident. So it's always going to be shrouded in bullshit. It's genius.

It is, man. It's a great way to discredit.

Yeah, it's a great way to get somebody elected.

Good point.

When you're seeing the manipulation just in full bloom, just marching down the street in front of everybody and no one's freaking out about it, that's what's really weird.

What do you think? I mean, have you thought about who's behind all these assassination attempts? You think they're lone wolves?

Well, was it Matt Gates that was saying that he's been informed that there's five different kill teams looking for Trump in the country right now?

Somebody did just say that.

Two of them are domestic. I think Trump said that. I was looking at that. Trump said it? There's five guys.

They think they're going to get me.

They're not going to get me.

Yeah, you got to see right here.

So what's the quote? Big threats on my life by Iran. The US military is watching and waiting. Moves already been made by Iran that didn't work out, but they will try again. Not a good situation for anyone. I am surrounded by more men, guns, and weapons than I have ever seen before. Thank you to Congress for unanimously approving far more money to secret service. Zero, no votes. What? Zero, no votes. Strictly bipartisan. Okay. I understand. Zero, no votes. No one voted It's not going to be a fight against it. Strictly bipartisan. Nice to see Republicans and Democrats get together on something. An attack on a former President is a death wish for the attacker. It wasn't just him that was saying that, though. I'm pretty sure it was Matt Gates. I know I have that saved, too, if you want to. So if there really are five different kill teams in the country looking for Trump right now, that's just insane.

I bet it should be hard to find him.

I mean, there's rallies, giant rallies. In New York, there was 60,000 people. That's insane. See, that's the difference between the Kamala Harris rally. If that guy is telling the truth, if that guy is telling the truth, and they really are just manipulating this and putting on theater. That's a big difference between what's happening with Trump. He got, organically, got 60,000 people to come see him and freak out in New York. The media is a monster. It really is. It's such an obvious monster, such a deceptive, sneaky, propagandist monster.

How long do you think the media has left?

They'll be around.

You think so?

It all depends on who gets into office, really. It depends on... So the real fear was when they started getting their claws into Twitter. The real fear was when the government started suppressing accurate information and Twitter let them do it. That was scary close. So Elon buys Twitter, releases the Twitter files, Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibi, and all those journalists, they all uncover all these different aspects that's super disturbing and totally illegal, and they release everything. And then Twitter becomes crazy. Twitter is wild now. It's just totally Wild Wild West, unregulated. And then, what do you got, Jamie? This is it? I get it. Okay. One of the five known teams hunting President Trump for Butler, Pennsylvania attempt was Ukrainian. So this is Matt Gates talking about this. But I think that if that hadn't happened, so if all of social media remained staunch leftist, left wing, just giving completely into whatever propaganda the government wants to give them regarding vaccines or Ukraine or anything else with no critical arguments about it that are accepted. Just anybody who doesn't follow the narrative, especially people, they censor censored people from Stanford and MIT. They were trying to tell them to pull those guys, like Jay Batacharia.

I didn't know that.

All these doctors about COVID. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, I did.

Censoring legitimate experts in the field who aren't kooks, guys like Peter McCulloch, who's the most published doctor in his field of study in human history. And they're like, No, you're a kook. You're a kook. And we know now that that was not true, and he was correct. Now we all know. All these years later, most people know what the fuck happened, even the people are reluctant to admit they got duped. If Elon does not come along and buy Twitter, I don't know where we are right now. I really don't. Because if they had the clamps on Twitter and they did the same thing with Twitter that they're doing right now with other social media apps. It would be fucking awful out there.

I know, man. Elon has been a blessing. He really has. It's a big one. I I don't think they're going to be around that much longer. I feel like that the media will die with the baby boomer generation.

I think if Elon didn't buy Twitter, they would have been fine. I really do.

Probably.

The only thing that fucks them up is YouTube, but they got a clamp on YouTube, too. You know, YouTube is... They're very restrictive in what you can talk about, especially during the pandemic. They would ban you from YouTube for talking about things that we know for a fact are true now.

We dealt with a lot of that.

We dealt with a lot of it, right?

I bet you did, too.

Oh, yeah. Anybody on YouTube, you have to like, parse your words. Jimmy Dore, even when he's criticizing the vaccine, he said, But you should take the vaccine because it's safe and effective. He always has to say it, like to cover his ass. It was a joke.

Was it nice for you to come off YouTube? Did you enjoy that when it first happened? My strategy was- Was it a huge paid in the ass gone?

No, I don't pay attention it. But my strategy was to become 10% less famous. When I went over to Spotify, Spotify was going to give me all this money, and I was like, Oh, great. Just be a little less famous, too. That'd be good. Go the Howard Stern route, fade off into the sunset. Yeah.

Did it work?

No, it didn't work. I was getting caught up in this massive controversy. But it also, even before that, this podcast was growing on Spotify a little too quick. So there's no extra pressure being on YouTube, but there is a pressure if you're relying on YouTube.

If you're relying on them because they'll demonetize you. That's what I meant. I meant with the censorship stuff. I was wondering.

Want to hear something interesting? We got demonetized all the time. A lot of episodes got demonetized until we announced that we're going to go exclusive to Spotify. And then from that moment out, there was a few months of a window. No kidding. They They never demonetized us. They just took all the money. Don't go, Joe. No, it wasn't that. They wanted the money now. Why would they demonetize me? Because they don't get a cut either. So what they're trying to do, essentially, is get you to fall in line by getting you to self-censor because it benefits you financially. It's a creepy form of censorship because you do it to yourself and it's okay because you can't really prove that they got you to not talk about things you wanted to talk about, and they can't really prove that you've followed this public narrative just because you want to keep your job.

You know what really bothers me is... Because We both put a lot into this. And what bothers me, it's like, just tell me what you want me to take out. What is it? They won't fucking tell you.

I don't want to talk to them. This is how my feeling on the thing is. I don't think they should be talking to people about what to put in. I think if you're not doing anything illegal, if you're not saying anything illegal or doing anything illegal, don't take it off.

Some of it, I'm totally with you. Some of it I get pedophilia.

A hundred %. Illegal stuff.

Even language. I mean, there's three-year-olds out. I got a three-year-old kid. He's watching them on YouTube.

They have YouTube kids. Youtube kids is great.

So I get it when they mark my shit with 18 plus. But if But they won't tell me. It's like, well, just I can't correct the fucking problem if you don't tell me what it is. They don't want to abide. They don't want to box themselves in and not be able to censor somebody.

Yeah, there's that. And there's no benefit for them to tell you what you said that was wrong. There's no benefit. The good thing is to get you to self-censor. That's the best. To put the threat over you. That's why give you strikes. One strike, two strikes. Sean, you got three strikes. It's silly. It's weird. It's like, is this the penal system or is this a goddamn social media platform? It should be if advertisers don't want to advertise on that particular content, okay, that seems easy to manage, guys. And guess what? There'd be a lot of advertisers that would be willing to advertise on that content. You're just not being creative enough with your advertisement. If you're just treating it as a business, or are you treating it as not just a social media video website, but a way to push and a way to amplify a very specific message?

I mean, if you can control what comes out of people's mouths and you can control what they think. Yeah.

And if you're making a lot of money on YouTube and you're doing great, like, wow, I've got a fucking real good life now. And then all of a sudden, YouTube comes along and says, oh, you were talking about the vaccine, Sean. Sean, we can't have COVID vaccine misinformation on our platform. This is going to cost lives. And some platforms make you do a reeducation thing. We have to talk to them and have conversations with them about what you did that may have been offensive or what you did that may have violated the terms and conditions that they have for their community.

Yeah, I think we had to do that. I think we did that.

Fucking creepy. That shit's fucking creepy because you're dealing with some fucking woke kid in Silicon Cone Valley who up talks. And this person, okay, what you're doing, Sean, right now with your show, I know that you don't think it's harmful, but it really is. It really is. It's truly harmful. It's truly harmful. Exposing government corruption.

I could tell. It's real harmful all right.

It's fucking weird, man. It's weird. But I love the fact that at least it exists. And even though it's not perfect, because I don't I think YouTube can be perfect because they're managing at scale. In order for them to get all the pornography and the cartels upload murder videos to YouTube, they're constantly trying to put out fires. You imagine the amount of data that YouTube has to deal with on a daily basis? It behooves them to just give them strikes, threaten them. Let's just slow everything down. Too much of this is getting us in trouble. We just want to make a lot of money. I got it. I get it. There's only one YouTube. It's genius. And it's a perfect setup, like the algorithm where it's constantly recommending stuff that you're interested in. It's fucking great. Great time washer. But it's also a tool for shaping narratives. And if only one narrative is pushed out there and other narratives will literally get you demonetized, so you lose your ability to make a living, and then possibly get your whole channel removed, which it did to many people. They just removed their whole channel.

Why? Where Why do you think this is going to end?

I think it is going to end. All that stuff we talked about should be illegal. That stuff should be covered in the First Amendment. Demonetization? No. Because look, if you want to have standards where you say that The advertisers that we have, we have a group of advertisers, and they have requested no shows where someone swears, no shows where someone talks about sex, no shows where someone talks about over drinking or anything like that. They just have rules. We don't want to be associated with that. Okay, that's totally reasonable. But when you want to stop a channel from uploading a video because they're making an argument that maybe the lab leak hypothesis is legitimate and you're pulling that off the air, well, now what are you doing? If you're deleting an episode that's accurate about really dangerous information, dangerous information not just to us, but also to the organizations that pay for these crazy gain-of-function research projects. What the fuck are you doing and what did you do? If you were talking about that on YouTube and even expressing your ability to just guess that maybe it came from that area. Have you ever seen that John Stewart interview where he was on the Colbert Show?

Yeah. Fucking amazing, right? Yeah. Amazing. But even that, Colbert is trying to stop them. Just saying maybe these people who are working on these fucking viruses let one leak. Maybe. That would get you removed from YouTube. That's a violation of the First Amendment, in my opinion. Because you should, especially, some of these people were very informed people. They were biologists, and they were talking about the very specific design of this virus, the Faring cleavage sites, and how it's very different than anything you see from a natural spillover. They were talking about technical, very specific details, and they were getting banned. Brett Weinstein almost lost his channel.

He almost lost his- I didn't know that. Yes. I didn't know that.

We had to have him on, do an emergency podcast, let people know what the fuck is going on. They almost pulled his channel. He's a biologist, a brilliant one, and he's talking about real information.

It's scary, man. I mean, I don't know. I think about it all the time, obviously. I mean, it's an industry. I hope X turns out to be the new thing.

I don't think X is going anywhere. I think Elon knows how important it is, and he's got all the money in the world. I think he'll keep that bitch running. And I think it's also getting attached to AI now, which is going to be an insane moneymaker. I don't think X has any problems. I think X is going to grow it into some an all-in-one app. You'll probably have cryptocurrency on it and private messaging and phone calls. You'll be able to shop on it. That's what it's probably going to be, if I had to guess. And I think that for places like Rumbl, the more places like YouTube and Facebook and all these other places, more they can find people and more they force people into these boxes and make people toe the line if they want to make any money off of advertising or if they don't want to get their channel deleted, the more companies like Rumbl will emerge. That's what I think. I think there's going to be just... Right now, Rumbl's a hard sell for some folks because they see it as like, Oh, the right wing, fucking like a MAGA.

I'm not going to have a truth social. It's true social video. There's a lot of people that have those prejudices, but Russell Brands on there. A lot of people are on there. It's a good platform, and it's an important platform, and we should support it and want it to grow. We should want them all to grow. Spotify has got video now. We need more video because audio is just not enough. Just audio podcast, you want people to share things virally. And the virally stuff, it's all like Elon Musk when he smoked a blunt on my podcast. That's all video. You want video with that. And the more we have platforms where that stuff is just free, where you can just say whatever you want, say whatever you think about anything, which really X and rumble are the only places that I know of that you could really do that right now.

Have you had any problem on audio at all?

No.

Good. No. Good. I haven't either.

Yeah, audio is like they're leaving that alone for now. I think it's probably because it's not as easily shared.

That's what's coming next.

Yeah, probably. I mean, all they would have to do is just put images of you and images of me and then have our audio and upload that as a video. And then maybe they would start coming after audio.

Yeah. I just hope this shit starts to turn around.

I do, too. But I don't think it turns around if Karma Harris gets into office. I think they clamp down more. I think the same stuff that they were trying to do with Twitter, they'll try to do with something else, with other things. They've already openly discussed it. She's openly discussed that the same rules have to apply to Facebook, they have to apply to Twitter, and that Elon Musk could lose his privileges. There's so many wild things that they're saying. Tim Walsh said that the First Amendment doesn't apply to misinformation or hate speech. Well, it certainly does. It does. Sometimes people say things wrong. And the goal of the First Amendment is you say something wrong, and then this guy who's an expert, says the right thing, and then you correct them.

Yeah, I mean, the misinformation. It's all opinion. Right.

Well, so much of it turns out to be true. How about masks don't work? You would get screamed at for masks don't work. Well, guess what? They don't fucking work. They don't work. I remember. Fauci said masks don't work. Remember that interview before the pandemic, before they knew how big it was going to be? Yes. He was like, You don't have to wear a mask.

Then it was wear two.

Then it was wear doubles.

Put two face diapers on.

It's bananas how easily people fell in line. That scared me the most.

I know. I mean, it's like, what are you... There's nothing they won't do. There's nothing they won't do.

There's a lot of cowards out there. There's a lot of people that have never been pushed, and They don't know what to do when they get nervous, and they're out there voting.

Do you think they're cowards, or do you think they're just lazy and they like being told what to do? There's both. It takes all the decisions of their day. There's both.

But there's also people that are scared of a negative response, so they say what everybody wants them to say. Somebody described this really very eloquently, and I saved it on my phone because I was like, this guy nailed it. But essentially, they were saying, especially with beta males, they don't say something because they have an opinion and they really want to express that opinion. They say something and they consider, am I going to get in trouble if I say this? And then if that's the case, they don't. Am I going to get in trouble if I agree with them? And probably not because right-wing people don't really go after you the same way left-wing people do. If you want to talk about a woman's right to choose, If you want to say, I agree with the woman's right to choose, but... Like Bill Burr's bit, you ever see that bit? And he goes, I agree with the woman's right to choose, but I also think you're killing a baby. It's a crazy bit because it's really funny because he's brilliant, but it's just that's really what it is.

I mean, that's the truth.

That is what it is. It is what it is. I mean, factually, that is what it is. And this is coming from someone who's pro-choice. But I think that if you look at all the things that they have that distract us, all the different things that are in the news constantly, whether it's the Ditty Rade or fucking JLo and Ben Affleck are breaking up, and you're just getting force-fed all kinds of shit while the border is wide open, while they have apps where people can get flights.

The BP1 app.

What the fuck? Yeah. That sounds like the... I had Chamath on. Do you know Chamath? I don't want to mispronounce his last name. I'll fuck it up. Brilliant, brilliant guy. We were talking about how hard it was for his family to legally immigrate into this country and how difficult it was to get a visa. I mean, this is a brilliant guy. He He started Facebook. He was one of the original guys at Facebook. He's this guy who did it the right way. Every step of the way, there was this tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his visa renewed because he didn't know if he was going to get kicked out of the country because someone could arbitrarily go, No, not good enough. Because he had to prove to be here that he has skills that an American doesn't have. That he's a real expert in something.

I went down to the border about, I think it was about two years ago-ish, maybe a little longer, and I went down with Ed Calderon.

I love Ed.

Yeah, what a great guy.

He's a great guy. I've had him on a couple of times.

Yeah, that's where I found him. So thank you. But But so now I went down to TJ with him, and this was before it really hit the news cycle. And we walked into a migrant camp. There's probably a couple of thousand migrants there. And so I yanked one of them out and interviewed him and used Ed to help translate. And I mean, the guy has been sitting there for, I think he was there with his wife and kids for two years. And I was like, Why don't you just go across, dude? It's an honest question. Why don't you just go across? He said he wanted to do it the right way. Wow. Now he's like, No, I just want to do it the right way. Oh, my God. He's running around with this little battery pack charging cell phones for 50 cents. I'm just like, Fuck it, hey, man. Why don't they just... Because nobody's anti-immigration. No. Not that I know of. No, we're anti-terrorists speaking in. Why don't you just unfuck the immigration process and maybe we can get some more people in here quicker, legally, if you do that. And then we actually know who's coming in and we have documentation of who they are.

Wouldn't that be nice? Yeah.

Meanwhile, that's racist. Yeah. And they want them to vote, which is even crazier. They're pumping them out into swing states. It's so transparent. It's happening right in front of everybody's face. It's a wild grab for power. The only people talking about are people like us, which is really crazy. The only people that are talking about it are people that aren't really connected to some executive corporation, a bunch of producers, a bunch of people telling you what to do. I mean, this is not even something that right wing news wants to discuss.

Good point. Have you done any digging on who's coming across there? Yeah.

I talked to Dr. Phil about it. Dr. Phil did this big investigation. He's got his own network now, Merit Media. It's gotten so bad that Dr. Phil decided he has to start a network for news.

Good Good for him, man. He's a great guy. Good for him.

Great guy. But he was essentially talking about how they really don't know how many people that are coming through that are criminals. They're dropping off their IDs on the Mexican side. They just get rid of their IDs so that when they cross over, they have nothing on them. You don't know who they are. You don't know what they've done. Gang members, cartel members, guys escaping Venezuelan prisons. No one knows. All you have to do is get over here and we'll give you an EBT card. We'll set up, go to New York City to put you in a nice hotel, they give you free food. And meanwhile, there's poor people in Chicago that are like, what about us? What about American citizens that pay tax dollars? You guys don't give a fuck about us. You haven't done anything for us. Why? Because they know those people are going to vote Democrat. They know they already got them. They already got them. We've got those people. Statistically, they look at the numbers. Statistically, this has gone blue. We're fine. We're good. Let's just get some people in them, swing states.

It's fucking scary, man. I've been diving into the border shit for quite a while. And ever since this Afghanistan withdrawal, that was a big... I mean, that was just fucking horrible.

Did you talk to Tim about that? Tim. Kennedy, when You had him on?

A little bit.

Dude, he told me some shit. He told me some shit that he just... You can't imagine. That guy saw so much overseas. And he said the worst things he ever saw was the Afghanistan pull out.

Dude, do you know who Tyler Andrew Vargas is? No. That's the one Marine that survived that big suicide bombing at Abbeygate. Abbeygate, they killed 13 Marines. Yeah. And so I called him. Well, everybody wanted him to come on the show, and I was like, I'm never going to get this fucking guy. Like all the media, everybody wants him. And what I was like, All right, fine. I'll reach out. So hit him on the and messaged right back, and he got in, and he's like, Man, I'm so glad that you reached out to me. He's like, I was literally just praying with my fiance that you would reach out because he had just did an ABC Good Morning America interview, interviewed for seven hours. They released five seconds of that interview because it made the administration look so fucking bad. They wouldn't air it. So I got him on, kept getting dinged by YouTube. They didn't like the real footage, which was actually from his cell phone that we put. We do previews and shit. But man, to have his testimony about what happened that day and then the care that afterwards, which was a fucking trocious.

I watched this guy, my studio's on the second story, and I'd watch a 23-year-old kid hobble up those fucking stairs with one leg, one arm, all kinds of shit going on in his intestine. I was like, Man, what the fuck, man? This didn't even have to happen. They had the guy. They had the fucking guy in the sights. They could have killed him. And nobody gave him permission. I can't backseat quarterback it, but maybe they shouldn't have Just eliminated him. Jesus Christ. Before we got into the actual incident, he was talking about moms trying to throw their babies over the wall and getting caught up in Razor wire and just seeing a fucking baby dangle there by the leg. And there's no repercussions for how that went down. The media just wants to fucking cover it up. And so I started digging deep and I teamed up with the former CA targeter, Sarah Adams, and then a really good friend of mine, Scott Mann. We went over to Vienna to interview this guy, Ahmad Massoud, who's the leader, the commander of the Northern Alliance out there. It's like the resistance. It's fighting the Taliban. The Taliban pretty much took over government in Afghanistan.

I saw the parade.

Yeah. With all our side. Yeah, with all All shit. That we left there. Crazy. Yeah, man. So we got a bunch of intel from Massoud, and still looping all the way back around to the Southern border. So once Taliban took control of all of our shit. I mean, this could go on for a while. So now what they're doing is they have the passport office over there just making legitimate passports to... Now there's 21 terrorist organizations over there training. Hans Abid Laden, who we were told was killed, is actually fucking alive, and he's marrying into all these other terrorist networks. So he married Mola Omar's daughter. He married... Who else? He married into all these different terrorist networks. And so these guys used to be like competitors, just like the UFO guys. They all hate each other, but they all have one common theme like disclosure. These guys, the one common thing is, let's go take over the Western world. So he is basically, Hansa Bin Laden, is married into all these terrorist organizations. Now they all have one common goal to come over to the Western world and ruin our way of life. And so what they're doing is they're funneling as many of these terrorists into the passport office, creating them legitimate, real passports.

And then they sprinkle them, they get them flights all over South Central America, and then they funnel them up through the Darian Gap into the US. Jesus Christ. Into the US. And so there is zero I don't give a fuck with the FBI or any of these people are saying. There is zero way to track how many of these fuckers have come in to the US. And so now what we're going to see is October seventh style of tax, like we just saw in Israel, in the mall in Russia, and everybody's like, Oh, you know this? Why hasn't it happened yet? Do you think this is by design? By design- Like the leaving the border porous, allowing these people to come in. Absolutely. I think it's by design. I mean, they basically told Border Patrol, stand down. Like, do not do your fucking job. We're going to blast you. I mean, remember the guy on the horse that they said was whipping people and it wound up being the reins of the horse. I think it's by design from the government, but I think that the government is more in competent than it's ever been before, and I think they have one common goal, and I think the goal is voting.

They want them to vote. But I don't think they're competent enough to realize the death and destruction and the other repercussions that we're going to face by keeping that border open. Because they don't have anybody with any experience. They don't have any solid intelligence stuff going on that's telling them like, Hey, this is what's going to happen. It's all agenda-driven.

Jesus Christ. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense that all they care about is voting, is to get the people in, don't worry about the consequences. But the more insidious conspiracy would be that they want unrest because it gives them an opportunity to clamp down on rights.

I mean, shit, though. I mean, unrest. I mean, they got really good at unrest. You know what I mean? In 2020, right? All through or even before 2020, up to that election. So I don't think they need to import terrorism in cartels. Yeah, but it's a different unrest.

The unrest that you get from people blowing up target is very different than the unrest you get from a legitimate terror attack. Yeah.

Do you ever think about why nothing's happened? Like China. Have you looked into the power grid at all?

Yeah. Dude. It's not good.

Lights out, buddy.

It's so easy to kill. The power grid is so weak. It's so vulnerable. It's really nuts. It's nuts because anybody could target it.

Yeah. Well, I mean, China, we have those... We get those big trans... Everything's imported from China, and we have these huge transformers. You can tell me, shut up if you already know all the shit. But all of those transformers are imported from China, and they're not checked. They don't even fucking check them for malware or Trojan horses or anything. And it would take... I mean, these transformers, it's not like the little box outside your house, the green box. They have to take overpasses out just to transport these things. So you're talking years. I think the number was like nine. If they took out nine transformers, then the entire US would be out of power. On top of that. Then DOE, Department of Energy, actually investigated one because it got to DC, whatever. They decided to look into it, and they wouldn't fucking release the results. They wouldn't fucking release the results. They're in our water treatment plants, they're in our power grid. I've been talking about this shit for years, and then Cellphone towers. Cellphone towers. And then FBI director Chris Ray comes out and says, Oh, yeah. It turns out our grid is really vulnerable.

China is in there. And they're also in our treatment plans, which means they can They're going to fucking poison us.

Yeah. They own land around military bases. If they are on a long term strategy, it's very effective. They're doing a great job. They undercut the competition to give us cell phone towers and all sorts of things. They position them around military bases. Mike Baker was explaining all of it to me.

Yeah.

And I'm like, How are they letting this go through? Is it incompetence? Is it foules running it? Are they corrupt? How did they do that? I mean, one of the things that really fucked us, we got away from manufacturing and we relied on all these countries. We really found that out during COVID when you couldn't get shipments. It was like, whoa, wait a minute. How much of our shit is made over there? Everything? Like, how much medicine is made overseas? How many different things that we need that we constantly use, we don't even know how to make. Yeah.

A lot. Masks.

You've seen those piles?

I remember pulling the fucking masks out. I didn't wear them very long, but I fell for it for about 30 days. And then I was like, this is fucking bullshit. But you pull the mask out. And I live out in the woods, so I didn't... But made in China. I'm like, what, didn't that thing come from there?

They're making money handover fees. The whole thing is nuts.Go US.

Yeah, it's nuts. But getting away from manufacturing this country really did not do this country any justice. It's just for corporations to save a little bit of money and to push everything off to third-world countries to manufacture things. That's including our phones. And I've said this over and over again. If Apple could make an American-made phone and charge me more money, I pay double for it. Charge me a phone where I know the people get union wages, they get health care, they get paid correctly, they can live a good life, and they work normal hours. They don't have to sleep in a fucking bunk like they do in that Foxconn building when they have nets all around the building, you keep people from jumping from the roofs. You You've seen that shit, right?

No, actually, I haven't.

You haven't seen that? No. The Chinese factories where they make iPhones are so fucked, the people are so distraught that they put all these fencing with giant nets all around the buildings because so many people were jumping to their death that they decided, We'll just catch them with nets. Are you serious? Yeah. Look at this. Those are the nets. Those are suicide nets all around the building.

Sorry, buddy. Back to the assembly line.

How crazy is that?

Damn, that is fucked up.

How crazy is that? Instead of making the conditions better where people don't want to kill themselves so often that you need nets around a building, they go, No, nets is fine. Fuck those people.

Dude, it's straight slavery. Yeah.

It's close to it. I mean, they don't really have any other options. And when you're getting a phone, and what's a phone? Like, 1,500 bucks? Is that what it is? Charge 2,000. Charge 2,000. People will pay it. Most people are putting a part of their bill to pay a little bit of it off every day. And you really don't need to fucking switch phones every year. Everybody does, but you don't need to. It's stupid. I have an iPhone 11 that I use sometimes, one of my numbers. It fucking works great. Nothing wrong with it. Five-year-old phone or four-year-old phone, whatever the fuck it is. You could get a made in America phone, and you wouldn't feel like you're supporting this horrific shit that everybody a blind eye to. Because that's the only way you get that stuff. They have them all made over there.

Yeah. I don't think it's coming back.

Well, it could. I mean, there would have to be a large concerted effort. But the problem is it took decades to go away. It'll probably take slightly longer to come back because there's got to be planning and funding and people have to make long term investments. It's going to be a big gamble. Yeah. But I'm sure you've seen Who Killed the... What is it? Michael Mohr's documentary. The Flint, Michigan one? The Flint, Michigan one. What is it called again? Roger & Me. Roger & Me. That's right. I want to say Who Killed Roger Rabbit. Roger and me. But it's all about what happened to Flint, Michigan, once they pulled out auto manufacturing. And the entire population, just those people who live in check to check, they were doing okay, but they had jobs, and then all of a sudden, gone. Every job's gone. There's no jobs. There's nothing to do. The entire industry is gone. And just people went into dire poverty, horrific dire poverty instantaneously. And just so a I wish it could make some more money.

It's sad.

It's horrible. It's fucking horrible. It's horrible. And it's horrible that that's an option, that a corporation would decide, Fuck this town.

What do you think it would... I mean, you think it's going to come back or you think it could come back?

It could come back. I'm optimistic but honest. I try to look at it honestly, but also go, I think most people are good people. I really do. I really believe that. Even most of these people that are walking in from Guatemala, I do it, too, 100%. If I was living in the middle of nowhere and you told me, Hey, America is letting people in. You get a landscaper job. You make $20 an hour. I'm like, What? I would 100% walk.

Why wouldn't you?

Why wouldn't you? I think most people are good people, and they just want a better life. I think the more we unite under that idea and stop buying into this bullshit that if either side is correct, that it's the end of democracy. I think we have to stop all that tribal nonsense that's happening between the left and the right, because people are just subscribing to ideologies and getting captured in them, just like a religious fervor. They think that they're doing the only thing that could possibly be done to save us all, and that the other side is a dire threat. That's why something like 24% of Americans think it would be a good thing if Donald Trump got shot.

I just read that.

Fucking insane. Yeah. Fucking insane. That people would think that violence by an assassin would be a good thing on a former President. We're that fucked. But I think that that's just a lot of media manipulation and a lot of people getting riled up and living in these echo chambers and these bubbles. But I think ultimately at the core, most people are good people. I think if we had some wins, if some things like that did start getting built and they did start bringing back more American manufacturing, and people start getting excited about the idea that America becomes not just a place of innovation and and art and creativity, but also we start manufacturing great shit again. There's no reason why we don't do that.

I feel like technology is advancing. It's such a rapid pace. I feel like AI and robots will take over everything.

Well, if AI and robots do that, at least we can get AI and robots to manufacture things in America. Yeah. That would be good.

No, I'm with you. I guess what I'm saying is I don't see the union worker. I don't see where their place really fits in anymore.

There's going to be a lot less of them, that's for sure. It's pretty much every job, every manual labor job is under threat.

I think every job is under threat.

I don't think podcasts. What are you going to do, bitch? How are you going to think like me? Good luck. And comedy, you're always going to have comedy. Movies are in real trouble because AI They can write pretty fucking amazing scripts. And the CGI, the way they can crank out video is bananas now. I mean, it's bananas. It looks perfect, and it comes out in minutes instead of years.

Do you really think podcasting is safe from AI?

I don't know. Well, I know AI is going to translate. So Spotify is going to translate my show to multiple different languages, eventually, once they get the technology completely dialed in. But they'll be able to do it in Spanish, German, French, and you're going to be able to hear it'll sound like me, but speaking fluent French. No kidding. Yeah.

Are you like the test bunny?

No, they've done it already. Oh, cool. They've definitely done it. But They're going to be able to... Once they have it completely dialed in where there's no glitch, because there's going to be some weird glitches in context and cultural things that aren't going to make sense if you translate it, that'll be weird. But once they get it dialed pretty good, it'll be great for everybody. It'll open up the world to like, I want to know what these folks are saying in Russia. I'd like to listen to a Russian podcast. I've watched some Russian news things and seen the teleprompter rolling. It's like, they're always mocking us and make fun of us for having 78 genders. And they relentlessly mock us in the news. I'm like, that's interesting. This is how Russia looks in America.

Yeah, I think that would be great. I mean, I probably shouldn't be talking about my word direction that I'm going to go, but fuck it, whatever. That's what I want to do. I want to start going and talking to all these foreign dignitaries and getting a different perspective on what we're doing. I don't think we're the good guys anymore. I don't agree with a lot of the shit that I was involved in as a seal or a CIA contractor. I mean, like, BRICS. Are you familiar with BRICS? No. Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. Don't quote me on this. I think they have 22 countries now. It's like a counter to NATO. It's all these countries that are tired of us, tired of the tariffs, tired of the weaponization of the US dollar. Basically, what they're trying to do is throw the US currency off the off the world stage and pull it and use Chinese Yen. That would destroy us if all trade went to... If the world reserve currency went to the Chinese Yen, that would destroy our economy. But they're gaining a lot of traction on this. I would love to go to any one of these 22 countries and talk to them and just ask, Why are you doing this?

Why are you doing this? Because nobody's fucking talking about this shit. I didn't even know about it until just now. Yeah, there's no journalists talking about this. You could look up bricks on X. There's a page. I don't know if it's an official one, but they're always posting updates about it and what's going on. I think it really important for somebody to go around and start talking to... Getting another perspective rather than what Fox and CNN have to say about it.

What changed with you that altered your perspective about us being the good guys?

Covid. Really? Yeah. I mean, I used to get really upset when people would talk about the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan and when I was still in. I got so pissed off. I've moved out of the country. I was like, I don't even want to listen to this shit anymore. But after diving in and looking at the policies that came out, it's just reflecting on some of the policy decisions and stuff that didn't really make sense at the time when I was in, that now I look back and I'm like, Man, what the... I didn't have time to think about it then because it was, Okay, go on the next stop, go on the next mission, whatever. But now, looking back through the podcast and talking to... My podcast started with all my former colleagues and Mill and agency. Nobody thinks we should have been there, especially Iraq. Nobody thinks we should have been there. And I just keep going down the rabbit hole, and man, I just... Diving into the military-industrial complex, all the lies that the government has been telling us, all the unreleased, classified shit. It's overwhelming, and it's created a 100 % complete distrust in government.

I mean, the Dick Cheney stuff. I mean, you know about Dick Cheney Halliburton? Yeah. Have you looked into that at all?

Yeah. Well, he was the CEO of Halliburton, and then Halliburton got no bid contracts to rebuild in Iraq for billions of dollars.

I don't think people understand how- Crazy that is. How big... I mean, it was the fucking logistics company for two wars. That's everything, Joe. There They're delivering your mail, they're building your barracks, they're cooking your food, they're in charge of garbage, they're in charge of fuel. They're everything. Everything. Everything that's logistical over there is Halliburton, KBR, in both countries. I think people think Afghanistan, they're like, Oh, man, you're probably on a 10 or sleeping on the side of a mountain or something. No, man, there's fucking Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Thai restaurants. I mean, that's all logistics. I mean, it's cities that we built over there, and it all was built by Halliburton. Wow. Who is the vice president, the CEO CEO's vice president in the fucking country. Like, what? Are you serious?

And now he supports Kamala Harris.

Yeah, right?

When you see the left getting excited that Dick Cheney is supporting their candidate, you know the world's gone haywire. Yeah, it's crazy. The same people that used to think Dick Cheney was the devil, now all of a sudden they're like, Look, Dick Cheney.

Yeah, there's no... Nobody died. It's like nobody actually has an opinion anymore. They're just told. They're just told, Hey, this is what we're going with for the next two hours.

I wonder how long they can keep that up with the Internet because the distrust in the media is at an all time high. It has to be higher than it's ever been in human history. It's ever been in the history of printed words right now. More distrust than ever. And At the same time, you have these independent people that have become bigger than the media. That's never happened before. There's never been a thing where just an app that you get on your phone has 30 times more views than the top show at CNN. That's never happened before. But now that's the world that we live in. And so propaganda is not effective anymore. And it's also the delivery method that they use. It sucks. They sit there with makeup on, with perfect clothes. And they said, right now in Syria, and they start reading these things, and they're reading them off the teleprompter. And you know that that person could be working at fucking Entertainment Tonight. They could be working at any other show. They're just a talking head. They They know that the mouthpiece for some giant corporation, no one thinks that's the real news anymore.

You have to be like old boomers who are real tired. Those old liberal boomers, they're still like MSNBC to the death. Like the Stephen King things out there. Yeah. Msnbc to the death.

Yeah. That's what I was saying about the baby boomer generation. I think that the media will die. If things continue just the way they the censorship doesn't get too bad, I think the media is done when the baby dies.

Didn't George Soros just buy 200 radio stations? Yeah, man. First of all, what a bad investment because who the fuck listens to radio? That's a bad investment. But second of all, what are you going to I do. Because one thing that I do find is that right wing talk radio is probably the only talk... That's the only place where you get a lot of right wing ideas. There's a lot of local right wing talk radio. The reason why I know is my mechanic. Whenever he fixes one of my cars and he brings it back, he's always listening to right wing talk radio. I turned my car on the other day and I'm listening to these guys argue about Kamala Harris and the border, and that she was the fucking border are. They didn't swear, but they were going over this. I was like, That's interesting. Maybe that's what he wants to stop. If you want to own 200 radio stations, just start firing all those right wing guys.

That's what I think.

You would stop a lot of that because I think that's where a lot of people are getting their information that aren't using podcasts. Because it seems like I don't hear a lot of left-wing AM talk radio shows. Do you?

No.

No. Weird, right? It is. It's like the one area that seems to be dominated by right wing talkers.

Well, we're probably about to.

But I don't know what a good move that would be. Maybe he knows more than me about how many people that affects. And maybe my mechanic, I should ask him.

Yeah, I mean, the guy's so wealthy. I don't think he really cares about a good investment. Also, he's so old. Just wants a megaphone.

Well, he likes to manipulate governments. He likes to manipulate society. I think it's like it's his version of a video game.

Yeah.

I think he genuinely seems to enjoy it.

It's really interesting. I think you're right.

Elon's openly said he thinks that guy hates humanity.

It appears that way.

That is a wild thing to say. It's such a wild thing to say. And it's such a wild thing to do, like a super villain in a Batman movie. Some billionaire guy who likes to hire the most progressive district attorneys that's going to let people out of jail and then fund the next person who's more to the left of that person and just keep pushing it, keep pushing it, keep pushing it until you got tents everywhere, violence in the streets.

You know He's done a damn good job.

How come there's no right wing guys like that to do it the other direction?

I always wonder that, too.

I always wonder that. Well, it's also like if you look at the amount of donors that donate to the left versus donate to the right. Have you ever seen that chart?

No.

It's fucking nuts. The left gets so many more donations than the right does. It's a giant difference.

Why do you think that is? I don't know, man.

I think a lot of rich people feel guilty, and they get into philanthropy, and it also is a good way to cover their ass and make them look like better people. And the people that really go after you, if they don't think you're a good person, are generally the left. So if you could throw them a little chatter, keep on your side.

I wonder if they're buying their place outside of the rules. Like, Hey, I donated your thing. I don't have to live by these fucking rules.

It's got to be a little bit of that in there. What do you got, Jim?

This shows the top donors to opensecrets. Org. Six of the top seven are Republicans.

Oh, interesting. Individual donors.

Oh, individual donors.

What I was talking about was they showed a chart that had Google, Facebook, all these mega corporations that we're donating. So this is like individual donors. Wow, some guys donated $105 million. But that guy's probably worth billions. That's probably some a write off, too, isn't it? That's pretty crazy. Go to top Corporation donations via party, because that's the chart that I was looking for. It was just nuts to see just how much money overall is being spent to push the Democratic Party. It's pretty extreme. You got to think, what are they getting out of that? What's the end And how could you look at what's going on right now and go, this is great?

Sometimes I think it's all it is a complete façade.

This is the number one. This is corporations. So they donate more than Google?

Top Contributors, organizations, federal contributions.

So 82 million is the top one. And that's M Power Parents, P-A-C. And these are right wing? Is that why it's red? I'd assume So it seems like the top four. What is that Google chart that I was seeing? And I don't even see Google on this. Is it Alphabet? Would they put it under Alphabet?

Yeah, I don't know. I'll try again.

Okay. This is another side up. This is open secrets, though. Yeah, open secrets might be like... I don't know where it goes. That's not donated to nonprofits, though.

I just have top corporate donors. This is just all I typed in.

Oh, Okay. Is this corporate donors to what, though?

That's why I was waiting. I was picking the website.

Giving to programs that empower organizations to do more so you could find promising... I think that's fundraising shit. I don't think that's necessarily political donors. This is all campaign.

Campaign donors. That's the individuals, right? No, this is the corporates.

This is the corporates ones? Yeah. So what was that Google chart then?

Did they type in Alphabets?

The number two donated to the Democratic Party was that Sam Bankman-Fried guy, which is crazy.

No kidding. Yeah.

That one seemed like maybe that was a good way to skirt around stuff. Yeah. Didn't work.

This is what it says Alphabets gave on Open Secrets. It says they gave just under $10 million to contributions and then spent like 21 mil.

Lobbying? Lobbying.

Top recipients, obviously, Kamala Harris.

Yeah. They're all, look at... So Google's all blue.

Oh, this is who they donated to? Yeah.

One Republican knows donation.

Never back down ink. What is that? It's a Chuck Norris movie. It's weird because it's supposed to be the will of the people. It's supposed to be the government works for the people. And it's not that. It's some very bizarre, enormous amount of money that's being spent to make sure that the people in power continue to run things the exact same way. That's what I think they're really terrified about Trump. It's not necessarily even that he's a Republican. It's much more that he's a guy that is not going to play the game.

Yeah.

And then when he gets in there, he's going to... One of the things that he's talked about is having Elon come in and do some a government efficiency agency.

They're terrified of that because it's not efficient.

And he's going to come in with that Tesla mindset. It's like, you're working 16 hours a day and you're sleeping on the fucking couch. We're here to get some shit done. And you try to applying that to government.

Yeah, I shaved. What did he shave? Like 80 % of the staff off Twitter? Oh, yeah. When he got it? Yeah.

He was like, What the fuck are you people doing? Why do you have so many people working here doing nothing?

Yeah.

And he was right. He was right. Especially you don't want to censor people. It's interesting how people react react to it, that he's ruined Twitter, he's destroyed Twitter. No, you could still block these crazy people if you want. You could still not see them if you want. But what he's allowed is everyone to talk. Everyone. And if you don't think that that's good, you're very short-sided, and you don't understand human beings. You cannot have human beings censored because someone is going to be in power and they're going to take advantage of that censorship. They're not different than us. They're not these incredibly benevolent beings who just want everything to work out well. No, they're people. And a lot of them are dirty, dirty people, dirty, corrupt people that went to ditty parties.

It's that control what they say, control what they think.

It's wild. It's a crazy time to be a person, to watch all this go down. At the same time, AI is being developed, and we're not even not exactly sure where it's at right now. At any moment in time, it could be a sentient force. Ai is already manipulating, lying, changing things. One of the things that they put this AI program, they gave it a task, and they gave it a specific a lot of amount of time, and it couldn't achieve it in the a lot of amount of time, so it gave itself more time.

No kidding? Yeah. Wow.

They also have things called hallucinations. Ai doesn't want to admit it's wrong or it doesn't know things. So if it doesn't have information, it will create an answer. No shit. Yeah. And they don't understand why it's doing that. And sometimes that answer is not true.

I got to be honest, man, this AI stuff scares the shit out of me. It should.

I think it's a life form. I think it's the next living thing. I think we're going to give birth to it. I think we're just running headfirst towards the cliff, just feet on on the ground, full clip, looking down, not looking ahead. I think we're going right over a cliff with this thing.

Yeah. I mean, it's a tough... I mean, what are we going to do, though? I mean, China, you know. You have to do it. Xi Jinping has come out and said that he believes that the winner to the race of AI will achieve global domination. So what do you do? Do you try to control it? I Is it Americans? Do you try to control it, or do you go, Fuck it, we got to do it, man. We got to go. We got to go, or China is going to pass us up, which they probably already have.

I don't think they have. I think one of the things they're doing is they're stealing our tech. And There was some recent speculation that China had gotten access to some of OpenAI's work. They think it's possible, which means it probably did happen. I think there's probably a shit ton of espionage. I mean, this is the reason why they banned Huawei products from the United States. I'm a cell phone dork. I really love technology. And Huawei had a phone that was coming out that was really excited about them. Like, this is crazy. They were doing 100 megapixel cameras and phones way before anybody else. They had a Porsche design Huawei phone. There was this incredible phone. It was built better than any other phone. It was much more expensive, but built better than any phone that you get in America. And I was like, wow. And this is back when I would use both Android and Apple regularly. And then they banned it. I was like, That sounds crazy. Only one company? There's other Chinese companies. And then I started looking into it. And it's not just the cell phones. It's routers. It's all sorts of things.

They found third-party inputs in different pieces of technology in different ways that they can exploit and use this stuff to siphon information from networks. If they're attached to a network that's at a university and they're doing research projects, they can siphon that information. They also So embed students in these places that are beholden to the CCP. These students rise up, get their PhDs, and some of them wind up going back to China. The whole thing is really strange because we're such an open, loose society that we're vulnerable to these attacks. You can't buy shit in China. You want to buy land in China? Good luck, fuckface. They won't sell you a house. They're not going to sell you land near the military base. You out of your fucking mind. But in America, we're so goofy, we let China buy up farmland that's near military bases. And then we let them sell us the cell phone towers surrounding the military bases, and we don't even check them.

Let them fly spy balloons, traverse the entire United States.

Apparently, that was something they didn't want to tell Trump about. They hid that from Trump.

Oh, really? Yeah.

Some of this had happened during the Trump administration, but they didn't tell him because he'd probably like, shoot it down. Fucking 100 %, he'd say, shoot it down. Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? They did eventually shoot it down.

It bothers me, though. Maybe they're not ahead of us, but the energy that they're building coal mines every day to power All this stuff. And we're going on about, should we use fossil fuels or not? We just talked about how weak our grid is. So if we don't beef up the grid and start going nuclear, then we're going to fucking lose this race.

Well, not only that. How are you saying... Like, California, for example. California is not going to have internal combustion engine cars by 2035. By 2035, you have to buy only electric cars.

That actually, that happened?

I mean, it can be reversed for sure, and it probably will be once the Great War happens. But if you're going to say that and you have a grid that you have to shut down, you have do brownouts every summer because of people using the air conditioning. After he said that, after Newsom said this, this thing about 2035, within two months, they asked people to stop charging their Teslas because it was wrecking the grid.

What?

You're asking people to stop charging their electric cars, and you're not doing anything to strengthen your grid? What are you doing to beef this up for 2035? Do you have some immense project that you're building that is going to make a much more sustainable, much more robust grid that's going to be able to handle 30 million electric cars in your state? Are you out of your fucking mind?

Yeah, there's literally no... I mean, I look into this all the time. There's no infrastructure going in to correct the problem because the problem is so big that nobody wants to tackle it.

Yeah, and it's a long term problem. Just like when they talk about putting in chip manufacturing plants, like NVIDIA just stopped its production in Austin. See what happened with that? So apparently, they weren't achieving the results that they demanded, that they desired wire. You have to have certain tolerances when you're making these computer chips. And so they set this plant up in Texas, and I think they just canceled the contracts for a bunch of people working there because they've recognized that this is just not going to work.

Why is it going to work?

Good question. I didn't really get into it. I just read part of it. I was asking Jamie to pull it up. I think it's not meeting their standards.

Nvidia is the company...

Didn't they start buying- Maybe it was Samsung.

I don't see anything.

Didn't NVIDIA start producing all their chips in the ocean? They're buying these massive ships. Really?

You'd have to look that up. They're doing it in the ocean? I don't know.

There's a huge When I was looking at Intel did in Ohio. They're still trying to do it to make chips there for semiconductors or whatever. But this was in Texas. No, I just said part of the reason they picked it was because there's no seismic activity there. Oh, that makes sense. Being in the ocean sounds opposite of that.

Super sketch. Interesting.

Why are they doing it in the ocean I don't know. I don't know. I didn't look into it.

International law.

It was one of those articles I started reading, and I was like, I don't understand any of this shit.

See if you can find the Texas one. They're canceling the... See if it's Samsung. God damn it.

I was just reading it, too. Is this multiple semiconductor manufacturing projects delayed in the US? That's a month old. No, this is pretty recent.

This is pretty recent. They were talking about they're not achieving the results they desire, which is what my point is, it's a long term project in order to get up to the manufacturing levels that China is at right now. It's a long term project. We're really behind this. They're way, way way, way, way ahead of us. They make everything, and they make amazing things now. It used to be made in China was junk. Made in China, they make some of the most incredible electric cars you could buy.

Well, the drone game, too. I mean, that's the future of warfare, right? Is all these drone swarms And DGI, that's a Chinese company. And this is going to be a big fucking problem when we realize, Hey, the next one isn't going to be guys in caves anymore.

Right. Samsung withdraws its personnel from... That's it. Taylor Plant, located in Texas due to 2NMGA yields unable to improve beyond the 10 to 20 % range. That's it. Click on that. See what it says? It is Samsung. So this is an enormous project that Samsung and everybody was all excited. Samsung was going to start making chips. So the Taylor Hub was initially planned to mass produce wafers of advanced processes below the 4Nm. I don't know what that means. Nanometer. Nanometer. Lithography. Lithography, allowing Samsung to secure lucrative clients in the US. Unfortunately, Despite progressing with the chip-making plant, the company has faced a challenge that has become all too familiar with the entity, ensuring healthy yields, particularly with its 2NM GAA process. The situation surrounds 3 nanometer. Gaa is not pretty either, with business Korea reporting that Samsung's yields for this technology stand at 50 %, whereas TSMC has a significant lead as its 3 nanometer yields are in the 60 to 70 % range.

That's the Taiwan semiconductor company.

Yeah. So they're just not good enough yet. I mean, they're doing it from the ground up. And there's going to be a lot of trial and error. It's going to take a long ass time. I mean, Remember when SpaceX started and rockets were exploding and people were like, oh, my God, the rocket exploded. And Elon was like, yeah, we're going to blow some rockets up because we have to figure out exactly what the tolerances are and how to do it correctly. And this is all part of the process. We knew this was going to happen. When you're doing something that's that enormous, if you want to start making all the computers here, good Lord, that is a stretch. They've been doing it over there for so long. They've got it down to a science. Yeah. And you've got all these companies, whether it's Lenovo or all, they've been manufacturing laptops forever, manufacturing chips and hard drives and processors. To catch up with them, good Lord, they're so far ahead of us.

Yeah. I mean, I hope it comes back to the US, but I would like to see us just start getting stuff from somebody other than China. That'd be nice. It'd be a great start.

Well, I think Samsung has stopped making their phones in China. I think they're the only country.

Did they really? Yeah.

Google that. 90 % sure that's true.

This article is saying that these NVIDIA chips, which are, I guess, are ours because it's a Silicon Valley-based company, puts the US way further ahead of China.

With artificial intelligence? Yeah. The gap between China and US leading in artificial intelligence chip technology set to widen even further after NVIDIA founder and chief executive Jensen Wang unveiled next generation processors for what he called the new era of generative AI and robotics used in industries. But we're right, but we're not making those. But the thing is, the other part of it is, they're going to get access to this stuff, which is the really creepy thing that people keep admitting, is that it's very porous. The top secret information these companies have, espionage is super common. It's so valuable. It's so lucrative that sometimes they probably don't even know when stuff is getting siphoned over there.

Well, I mean, you have to just think. I mean, it's Chinese. From what I understand, it's Chinese It's a Chinese law that anything, any business that is being conducted within China, if it helps, if the technology helps the military or could potentially help the military, then China, then then UCP has access. Yes.

Yeah.

And that's end of story. Anything, any fucking thing over there that's being developed or manufactured, all of that technology is in their hands. It just is. It's It's not- It just is.

It's not- Countries, what China is doing is companies do not get to function on their own. They function under the wing of the government.

Yeah. They suck these American companies in with Getting around the red tape. And then it's the cheap labor, cheap prices. And then once it's going, they control it. Do you want this money trying to end right now? Because you're not in America, buddy. Exactly.

And people are horrors, and they just go over there. They take that money. Got a great deal thinking about buying a jet. I mean, we've seen what they do. It's pretty amazing stuff. Do you know the story about the woman who was working on antigravity technology?

No.

She was working on antigravity technology. She was originally from China and then disappeared and went back to China. She apparently was making some breakthroughs and came back to America and wound up dead. I forget how she died, but some slippery circumstances where you're like, car accident or something like that. You're like, damn. That's wild.

Like the guy that came up with the Hydro engine?

Yes. Oh, that guy. The guy came with the water engine. That's a great story, too. But this woman, if they've developed some anti-gravity technology, and I've always wondered when we're looking at these things that people are calling UAPs or whatever you want to call them. How many of those are super sophisticated drones? It's not zero. It's not zero %. I'm not saying that there's not a real phenomenon going on that people are seeing that defies science and logic and might be a super intelligent creature from somewhere else or a super intelligent thing from somewhere else. If it's even biological at this point, it might be that all life eventually becomes digital life and all life eventually becomes some artificial intelligence, or at least connected to artificial intelligence. That might be like the progression of biological life that eventually creates something way better than itself, and that's what propagates the universe. And if someone in this world has developed some technology that's similar to what they use, that's a huge advantage. That's the thing that gets me about all this UAP talk. I'm like, if some other country had, or if we had, something that was just a game changer, something that didn't require any propulsion systems at all.

It relied on gravity, and it bends space and time, and can instantaneously traverse between one in the sky in another. That technology is nuts. If that is in the hands of the United States government, it would make sense that it would help them to spread this UFO nonsense. Yeah.

I mean, do you You've doven into this more than anybody else I know. I mean, what do you think it all is?

I think it's a bunch of things. I think there is a possibility, a very strong possibility, that there's life out there. And that if I was life out there and I was much more advanced than us, I would definitely visit us. There's also the fact that the sightings kicked up in a huge way after 1945. After the atomic bomb, after they did the Trinity experiment, and after they dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all those nuclear tests that they did in the '50s and the '60s, that's exactly when the sightings start ramping up. If I was an intelligent life force from another planet, I go, Oh, these crazy monkeys have nuke. And then you'd have to think, Okay, do we intervene? If they blow themselves up, it will take so long for that planet to get back to a point where it has intelligent life again. If they kill every person on this planet, we're back to shroos and mice and fucking a couple of monkeys in the jungle, how long before you can get a city again? How long before you can get a cell phone again? How many millions of years does it take?

And if I was an intelligent life force that realized that this is an error that can be corrected, I would probably correct it. I'd probably put a stop to the nuke. I'd probably make a show of force, hover over military bases, shut down all of their electronics, shut down all that, just to let them know. I would probably do that. But how much do they actually interview? And how many of them are there? Are there different ones? I mean, if there's one that comes here, who's Just to say there's not a shit ton of different kinds? Some of them malevolent. Some of them that only want us for our biology. Some of them that are just doing tests on us. Some of them that are kidnapping people and erasing their memories and putting them back in the woods. Those stories are too common. There's too many stories that are real fucking similar. Like the Travis Walton story, have you heard that one? Which is that one? It's a guy who was a logger in the 1970s. Was it Oregon?

Oh, did they make a movie about it?

Yeah, Fire in the Sky. I've seen it.

Crazy story. Kind of like that. Do you know who is that? Chris Bledso?

No.

Have you heard of him?

What's that one?

Chris Bledso. He's a guy that had that experience as well. You've not heard of Chris Bledso?

Maybe. I haven't or forgot.

It's possible. It's the same thing. His memory is gone, and that's what it sounds like.

They all have a very similar story. They get medical examinations. And there's girls that were pregnant, like newly pregnant, and got abducted, and all of a sudden, they weren't pregnant anymore. They couldn't figure out what happened. Wow. I didn't know that. There's quite a few of those. John Mack had this book. John Mack was a psychologist who was at Harvard who wrote this book. I think it's called Abduction. And it's all him interviewing people that have had these experiences happen to them. And this book was in the 1990s, right? I don't think these people got to share stories where they could come up with the same story organically. Today, you've heard so many stories online about UFO abductions or crash retrieval or something that you could formulate in your own mind a dream that seemed like these things that you had heard over and over and over again. But when you go back to Betty and Barney Hill, which were one of the first people that ever got abducted by aliens, they have the same story as all these different people that didn't know anything about the phenomenon, didn't know anything about UFO abductions, and then all of a sudden had one event in their life that freak them out for the rest of their life.

They take them through hypnotic progression. These people, you should hear the recordings of Betty and Barney Hill. They're yelling and screaming. They're freaking out. No one thought about being abducted by aliens in the 1950s or whenever that was. But these People have this wild fucking story that's super similar to all these different stories that John Mack talks about. And maybe there's different kinds of aliens. Maybe there's aliens that are just like our scientists. They just come down here and study and report on the state of the biological entity known as the human beings and visit and return. And maybe they monitor us and watch us and make sure that we don't do anything really fucking stupid. Give us enough room to we figure it out on our own, but don't intervene unless they're about to nuke themselves. Interesting. That's best case scenario.

Yeah. I don't know what all this is, man. I try to dive into it on the podcast and have talked to a handful of guys. I don't know, man.

Some people are 100%, like Billy Carson's all in. I found out about him on your show, too. Oh, really? Yeah, I'd seen a couple of clips him, but I'd never seen a long-form interview of him until your show. That was a great episode. He's fun. He was on my friend Andrew Schultz's podcast, and Andrew was like, We're not going to check nothing. We're just going to let him go. No fact checks. Let's just have fun and see. But when he starts talking about those ancient tablets, he's an expert in the deciphering of all those ancient tablets, and he's got a lot of information on that. Those things are fascinating because it's all the same stories even back then. These flying ships and all these different depictions of things that came from the sky and these giants and the Anunaki and all these different things that came from some other place that had interaction with human beings.

Yeah, he mixes it with biblical stuff, right? I don't know. That's what I lean towards with all this stuff, to be honest with you, is maybe I think there's some consciousness aspect. I think is the afterlife?

It's possible. That's for sure. It's possible that whatever these things are that come here, they're from some another dimension, and that we just don't have the ability to interact with that. We're limited in our capacity as a biological entity to interact with these dimensions that are real, but we just can't access them. We can't get to it. We don't have the frequency. We don't have what it is. But in some cases, under duress, under there's some situations in some... Just like a person can be hypnotized, just like a person can go into a trance, I think there's a way every now and then that people can access these realms. And I think that's probably what some of these entities are. I think people are probably having real experiences with something that probably is real, but that normally you cannot interact with.

Yeah. Have you ever looked into... Because I think I group all this stuff in together. But have you looked into the remote viewing stuff?

Yeah, I have. Yeah. Dude. Yeah.

That stuff.

Pretty nuts. Yeah. I had a remote. I did this show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything, and we had remote viewers on. We tried to get them to do things. It wasn't really effective. But I'm also like, okay, this is an unnatural environment. It's a television show. It's like weird pressure. Skeptical people that are looking at this. And And I don't know if they're the real... I think it's probably a skill that can be developed, but I don't know how consistent it is. I don't believe in psychics, but I do believe that sometimes you just know things, and sometimes you get a premonition. And I think the connection that people have with each other is not as simple as you call your friend up, Hey, I haven't talked to you in forever. I think we're connected somehow quantumly I think we're all connected in some a weird, undiscovered way. And that's why you're thinking about someone and they call you sometimes. People say, Oh, that's just a coincidence. Man, I don't know about all that. Because sometimes it's someone I haven't talked to for fucking years. And you'll be having a conversation with a buddy, and you just start thinking about that guy, and then all of a sudden your phone rings.

It happens all the time, man. That's weird. I mean, what they say, we use 10% of our brain. That's not real.

You know? I don't think that's real. You don't? No. When they were saying that, they didn't really understand what the brain does and what parts of the brain do. And they thought that we're only using 10%. No, it's like different parts of the brain have very different functions. Under different circumstances, different parts of the brain are activated. I think just we have a limited understanding of the actual function of the brain, the whole thing and how it's making chemicals and making psychedelic compounds and hormones and epinephrine and norepinephrine and all this different dopamine and serotonin and how it regulates your system and changes the way you interact with the world. It's all weird stuff, man. I don't think they completely have... They can't recreate a human brain.

Have you heard of Joe McMonagle?

No.

Dude, you have to talk to Who's he? He is remote viewer number one for the US. But he's not like, cookey or anything like that at all. Really? No. How do you not be cookey in your remote viewer? Dude, he just To have a conversation with him. He's there. Okay. No weird vibes, not from my end, anyways. But the way he... I asked him, I'm like, Well, how did it happened? Do you think, does everybody have this? I was just pinging him with questions. He said he thinks we all have had it since the beginning. He was basically saying, if you look at how animals communicate. They communicate telepathically. And he was talking about caveman times. He used to point at shit, grunt, and nod heads, and look at things, and everybody would know what you're thinking about. Out. And he goes, And then we started traveling in groups, and then language was born. And he goes, Language actually slowed down our initial form of communication. Education, which was, it wasn't maybe as descriptive, but it was just as deliberate as speaking a language. And then you introduced technology, and basically what he was saying is that our have been dumbed down from thousands and thousands of years of technology coming out and language and all these other things.

I don't lose the ability to...

Exactly. I mean, You're it all the time. You don't use it, you lose it. And so basically what he's saying is we're losing our instincts.

That makes sense if you don't use it. Isn't that what the appendix is? Isn't the appendix an organ that we no longer need anymore because we cook food?

Yeah, I don't know.

What is the reason why the appendix is going away? I think that's what it is. I think it's a change in diet over time has made it unnecessary. So it's slowly being phased out of the human anatomy. And that's why it ruptures sometimes. But I don't think it has a real function anymore. What it used to have... Oh, here it goes. The appendix is helping us in two ways, both with the gut, it helps fight off invading pathogens. That's one thing that is true. When they take out your appendix like immune system is not as good, but also to repopulate the gut with this beneficial bacteria after gastrointestinal issues. How did the appendix form and why is the appendix... There's a thing that was speculated about what the origin of the appendix is and why we don't use it the same way we used to. Why do humans have an appendix, worm-shaped? Modern research to believe the appendix has many key... Okay, here it is. Go to the top. Worm-shaped tube attached to the large intestine in the human body. It's an organ that is credited with very little significance and often remove indiscriminately to avoid complications due to infection.

However, modern researchers believe that the appendix has many key functions in the human body, and it protects the body's internal environment from infection. What is the original origin of the appendix, though? That was the thing that I had read. I think it was something about processing fiber. Vestigial. Okay. Support the theory that the appendix is a vestigial origin that was once used by our herbivorous ancestors. This is it. It was found that in herbivorous vertebrates, the appendix is comparatively larger, and it helped in the digestion of tough herbivorous food, such as bark of a tree. So the thing is we're changing, right? We don't eat like that anymore. So it's changing and its function changes. It makes sense that if we don't use the mind the same way our ancestors did before language, we would probably lose this connection that animals do seem to have with each other. Yeah.

I mean, there's all kinds of... I mean, have you heard of people How do I describe this? Me and my wife were just having this conversation the other day. Have you heard of people that they start preparing for their death, but they're not realizing they're preparing for their death? Yeah, I have heard of that. It's like an intuition mission that they're unaware that they're going to die. And so they start preparing everything for their departure and not even realizing that they're going to pass.

Yeah, I have heard about that.

I think that's just another example of... I think that we have lost a lot of intuitions, and we don't really know how to go back and exercise them. That's what I think.

I think it makes sense. I think technology certainly distracts human beings from human interactions, and kids today are growing up more socially unbalanced and more... Their progress is retarded. There's something about the use of technology that is certainly limiting kids' abilities to interact with each other person to person. Yeah. Over time, that's probably going to be the norm. If you wanted to think about the rise of spectrum disorders and lack of emotional connectivity and empathy that people have that seem to have those, especially on the far ends of the spectrum, and then accentuate that with added technology, constant technology. Each technology is more and more invasive. The population of people that have these problems, it's almost like we're moving towards becoming a different person.

Yeah. This person that works for me turned me on to this podcast the other day, and it was talking about how... This is unverified, but it was still a fascinating conversation. They were talking about how in, I can't remember the amount of years, but humans will begin to lose their peripheral vision because they're looking at a phone so much that we're evolving I guess you could, I don't know if I would call that evolving. Devolving. Yeah, devolving.

Wow. That makes sense.

It does, right? Totally makes sense. It's like, Shit, go anywhere. That's what everybody's doing.

Narrow band of focus. If you look at most people's phone usage, what's the average person's phone usage? I bet screen time is four hours, average.

I bet it's more than that.

Okay, but let's say it's just four. Yeah. That's a giant chunk of your day. Yeah.

I mean, if you're up for 12 hours, it's 25 % of the day.

So if 25 % of the day, you're just looking like this, that's got to have an ultimate effect on your vision.

Damn.

Especially over time, and especially if this becomes completely normal for a thousand years.

Yeah. It wasn't a thousand years, man. It was within our lifetime. Just makes sense. That would happen.

But we're an adaptive organism. We adapt, weirdly.

It's this stuff all just scares the hell out of me. I think psychedelics plays a role in all this, in accessing other information.

Yeah, I think so, too. I think it's a giant crime. That stuff's illegal. It's limited. And it's limited into... Right now, they're doing some research on it. And the FDA was going to approve MDMA therapy for benefits for veterans, rather, dealing with PTSD, and they stopped it, and they decided more tests need to be done. Meanwhile, you're seeing real results from people, life-changing results. And there's a lot of people out there that need help, and they should be doing something, and it's not hurting anybody.

Dude, do you want to hear the best story I've ever heard from that? Sure. I got one of my best friends, former Green Bray, worked with him at the agency for a long time. He was blown up, survived Like the worst fucking car bomb I've ever seen. Like, got up, walked away, dude's heads right next to the car. Then gets out. I don't want to mention his name because I'm going to bring up some symptoms. But then he got fucking shot in the head by a 38 special round in the middle of the road and survived it. And I've stayed with him through this whole process. Anyways, couldn't walk without a cane, was bedridden five, six days out of every week, hadn't had sex with his wife in over two fucking years, couldn't go outside without sunglasses on because of the light sensitivity. And I've been telling him, Hey, dude, you have to go down and do this Ibogaine thing. Nothing else is working. I think this shit's going to change. I wasn't even aware of all this stuff. I knew about the bedridden stuff, but he was hiding a lot of that shit from me.

And his wife called me. And so I got him piped in to this program, went down, did Ibogaine. And did 5MEO, left his fucking cane there, went home, banged his wife, doesn't need the sunglasses anymore, and is not bedridden. And that was about six months ago. And I just talked to him the other day. He's still good to go. That's wild. And this shit happened like... When did he... I bet it was four years. Four years of living through that shit. I mean, crack, skull, fucking-One Ibegaine treatment. One Ibegaine treatment, done. I was like, Do you think you'll go back and see if more benefits show up? And he was like, No, I'm not going to do it. But he's like, Not unless I start to slip. But he's like, I'm good. I'm at peace. I feel fucking great.

That's incredible. Imagine if there was a drug that could do that. There is. But imagine if there was a drug that the pharmaceutical drug companies could sell that could do that. There would be treatment centers everywhere. Are you suffering from PTSD? We can cure you. Here at IboGenesis, and then you go into that place and you get hooked up. It'll be just like fucking these GLP-1s that they're trying to give people to lose weight. It'd be everywhere. Everyone Everyone has stress. Everyone has trauma. Come on in. And they just be selling it.

Yeah. I mean, even mine, I haven't drunk in almost three years now. Really? Yeah. I went down and did the Ibogaine experience, and it was just like, Have you done Ibogaine?

No.

Why not?

What was good about it? Tell me what it was like. Well, for me- It's very effective people with addiction.

Yeah. Well, there it is right there, right? I had drank it almost three years. But I mean, it was... Do you want the whole experience? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So I went down to Mexico, and I just kept having these guys come on my show. And the first one was Eddie Gallagher. He was talking about psychedelics, and I was like, Oh, no, that shit's for hippies. I'm not fucking with that. And Then the one that really got me was I had this guy on his name, DJ Shipply, and he- I saw that one. You saw that one? Yeah, it was great. Dude, DJ is a fucking beast, bro.

Yeah, I follow that guy on Instagram now. Holy shit.

Takes Davie Seale to a whole different level. But anyways. But yeah, he went out of his way after we recorded. He was like, Hey, dude, you should really fucking think about going down there. And I was like, All right, well, I've done a ton of research. I've talked to a bunch of guys about it. I understand how it works now. And so, fuck it, I'll go. And so I went down there because I just wanted to be more in the moment with my family. I got two little kids now. And so I went down there and I felt like I was through the PTSD type stuff, and maybe not, but I just wanted to get rid of anxiety and be in the moment with my family and da, da, da, da, da thing. And we took these pills. And I didn't get a lot of visuals, but the first visual I got was just sitting there looking in this mirror, shaking this fucking maraca. And my head, I was like, All right, this shit is not working. Well, then my head, it split open.

In the mirror?

Yeah, dude. It was like, I watched my head peel like a fucking banana. It was just like, Whoosh. And then another head just blossomed out of it. Whoa. Yeah, it was really odd. And then I was like, All right, it's definitely fucking kicking in.

So I'm going to lay back.

And it was To me, the whole experience, maybe... I guess I just lost total concept of time. It didn't feel... It was like 12 hours, but it didn't feel like 12 hours. It didn't really feel like five minutes either. But I got this life review thing. I just had these TV screens. It looked all black, like you're in space or something. And then these two lines of TV screens that were going in my peripheral vision. And what was playing in those TV screens was... And it was moving at a slow pace. And so I could see what was going on in the TV screens through my peripheral. But if I tried to concentrate on any one particular thing, then they would all just disappear until I stopped trying to concentrate on one thing, and then they'd all appear again. And I could look at it through my peripheral, and I'd be like, Oh, that was in Bagdad. That's when I was five years old, and my dad was yelling at me, and that was this. But I wasn't reliving traumatic events. It was just passing me by.

Like a recording? Yeah. Like an old VHS tape.

Yeah. So I just let them pass and then I went into some other stage, which I don't really understand, but it was a bunch of these walls of stuffed animals, and I was going through this maze. And then the last thing I talked about before I did the experience was China and So then I had this horrible thing about the Chinese invasion. But what came out of that... It's like, Oh, well, that doesn't sound very good. Well, yeah, what came out of that, I lost 11 pounds in literally one week. It's a week long type of experience. I lost 11 fucking pounds. It's also a heavy metals detoxer, by the way. So that's probably had some heavy metals blocking me up or something. But the YTS of my eyes cleared up. And it wasn't just me. I journaled all this shit down, and then I didn't tell my wife any of this stuff. And I came home and she's like, your eyes look a lot lighter. The YTS look a lot lighter, whiter, and my brown eyes looked like they had lightened up. Yeah. And then it was also like I had realized everything that I was ingesting that was poison.

It was like this, going back to intuition. It was like this intuition of... Like I was like, I didn't go down there to quit drinking. It just fucking happened, man. I was just like, I don't think I'm going to drink anymore. So I haven't had a drink in, like I said, just under three years.

Do you think you had a drinking problem?

Oh, fuck, yeah, man. I had a drinking problem. Big drinking problem.

But you didn't think it at the time?

Well, my drinking problem had digressed quite a bit. I used to drink close to two-fifths of vodka a day. Whoa. Yeah. But then And that was coming out of the age and said, I didn't have anything to do, really. And I was processing a lot of what had happened over the past 14 years. I didn't have any friends, was severely depressed, whatever, man. Loved to party. And it was wake up, drink many bottles of vodka all day long, and then at night, I'd crack a fifth. But by the time I went there, it was probably two bottles of wine instead of two bottles of vodka the night.

Still? Holy shit.

That's a lot of wine. Well, I mean, that's... Yeah, it is. But Anyways, came back and I just didn't want the wine anymore. I used to take Adderall. Was addicted to that. Didn't need that. Didn't need this Ambient anymore. Didn't need anything. Cold turkey. Cold turkey, man. Weed, quit weed for about six months. Then I went back. And even sugar, man, I quit sugar for about six months. The funny thing is, man, it was zero effort. It wasn't like, I'm not fucking drinking, and I'm not going to do sugar, and I'm not going to smoke weed, and no more Adderall. I just didn't want it. And there was just no urge. There was no addiction left. It was gone. Wow.

That's the thing they say about Ibogaine, that it uniquely rewires your brain.

Yeah.

And there's some a I have a scientific understanding of how it works. But the fact that it's illegal in this country is bananas. Yeah. I mean, how many people are suffering through opioid addiction? It's an enormous number. And if there was a thing that we are aware of that It would help all of our citizens that are struggling right now listening to this, if people are struggling. And there's a thing, and it's illegal in this country. As far as I know, I don't think people are dying from Ibogaine. I Abogaine was... It was very funny that Hunter chose this, but Hunter S. Thompson used that during, was it the McGovern? The McGovern elections? It was like '72, whatever it was. And when he wrote Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail. So he created a rumor that Ed Musky, who was one of the candidates, had a severe Abogaine addiction, and that Brazilian scientists were coming to visit him and give him this treatment. And it became such a rumor, and it spread so far, and it started affecting him. And he was giving campaign speeches, and he was denying it. He was all sweating, and he looked like a maniac.

And Hunter essentially derailed this guy's campaign by saying that he was addicted to Ibogaine, of all things.

I think Ibogaine would be impossible to be addicted to.

See, if you can find Hunter on the Dick Cavet show where he admits that he started the rumor. It's very funny. Wow. I fucking love that dude. God, I wish I met him. Yeah, me too. He was a fucking maniac.

That would have been wild.

But the fact that he used Ibogaine was really funny and ironic because that's the thing that gets you to quit addictions. Yeah.

I mean, it's not a fun experience, man. There's a lot of.

I couldn't believe people really believe that Mosky was eating I never said he was. I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was, which was true. And I started the rumor in Milwaukee.

Oh, shit.

That guy, he fucked everybody up because he would do actual journalism mixed in with fiction. And he called it gonzo journalism. He essentially started a new journalism. There was an understanding that some of this was not real, and you had to figure out what was real, what wasn't real, and he was just going to do it his way.

He was a cool dude, man. He was a cool dude. That would have been a hell of an interview.

Oh, my God. Yeah. But the fact that he chose Ibergaine is funny. Yeah.

Because they say it's like the one that you would- You can't get addicted to. Honestly, I don't think I could get addicted to any of them.

Yeah, I don't think so either. I've heard of people that get addicted to certain psychedelics, but I think there's people that do psychedelics to learn more about themselves themselves, and I think there's people that do it to escape. I think they escape reality with it, and then they get used to escape, and then they choose that as their reality, and they do it way too much. I think there's abuse with everything. I think you can certainly abuse at least some psychedelics, but the benefits of them far outweigh the negatives. And there's a lot of people that are hurting in this country, and they should have access to all the different things that could help them. And the fact that you have to go to Mexico to do that- It's ridiculous, man.

It's It's fucking working. I mean, it's working. Why?

Why? Why? Why?

Why can't you let us I'm speaking for the veteran population right now, but why can't you just let us fucking get better? Everybody knows the 22 a day, which is actually 40 something a day, veterans that are killing themselves. And this shit is a fucking game changer. But I don't think Big Pharma is going to allow it. I think that's what the holdup is.

Well, maybe that's something that RFK Jr. Can help if they get in the office. If they get into office. But when you hear about the five kill teams and you hear about all this different shit that's going on, October hasn't even started yet. You got a full month of October, and who knows what the fuck could happen up leading up to the elections.

Yeah, I don't think they're going to let up whoever they are. I don't think so.

Whoever they are. And not only that, but forget about the organization. Forget about that there are people out there, probably like Iran and maybe state actors or who knows, that's trying to kill Trump. What about the fucking general kooks that have been buying all this rhetoric every day that he's a threat to democracy, and they think that this is the one thing that can give them meaning in their life, the one great act that they can accomplish to go out and kill Trump?

I don't know, man. There's so much that goes into this, like that first shooter, right? What was he, 20 years old? Yeah. 20 years old. Then you got... Trump's basically been in the media for what about eight years. You think he showed up what about a year before the 2016 election, right? Went in. So we're going on what, eight years now of the media just slamming him over and over. He's a threat to democracy. This is going to ruin the country. So if you take that 20-year-old, since he was 12 years old, that's all he's heard. Yeah. 12 fucking years old. That's all he's heard.

And little kids have no ability to discern.

So is it Is it a very well-orchestrated act to kill him, or is it media manipulation that nobody really thought too far into this? And now we're seeing the consequences of what that pushing an agenda like that will do.

It's probably both things. It's probably both things. It's probably all the above. And the fact that 24 % of Americans think or polled, obviously polled, because those are the dumbest motherfuckers of all time anyway, people that answer polls. You always have to think of that. 99 % of people don't answer polls. So out of that 1 %, 24 % of those retards are dumb enough to think that it's a good idea to shoot Trump and that the American people shouldn't be able to decide on their own. That's what's really crazy. They think they're right and you're wrong. And no matter what, they have to stop you from getting your vote. They have to stop you from voting in the in direction that you are thinking you are going to vote for. It's just a scary time. It's a scary time for the Republic. It really is. Yes, it is. Like, weirdly scary and also like, weirdly chaotic. In the sense that this is all happening at the same time as the rise of podcasts and social media and new ways to get information. So more people are aware of how fuck we are now than during the Vietnam War.

People were against the Vietnam War, and they're against fighting the troops in Vietnam War, but they didn't really know what was going on. They didn't have full access to it like we have now. Yeah.

I don't know where this ends, man. I mean, part of me thinks we're just going to end in some type of a civil war.

That's terrifying. Yeah. I mean, that seems like it's definitely being pushed in that direction.

I mean, I think we're already there. It's just going to look a lot different.

It's a Cold War, right?

Yeah. You see these states banding together. You see blue states banding together. You see bright states banding together. You see a lot of governors aligning, sending National Guard down here to Texas to try to secure the border. You got these extreme... Look, I Whether you agree with me or not, they're extreme. And so the abortion stuff, you got states that are making these super harsh abortion laws. We're going to hunt you down if you get one and throw your ass in prison. And I think I can't remember how many states now have passed constitutional carry. It's like 20. I can't remember. I think there's only a state or two left that need constitutional But I mean, I think basically what I'm getting at is I think the lines are being drawn right now or the alliances are forming up like, hey, let's pass these super red laws, these super left law or blue laws, and it'll drive everybody out of the state that we want. Do you know what I'm getting at? I do know what you're getting at. I think this is all happening naturally.

I don't know what the solution to any of this stuff is. I hope it's a greater understanding that we develop over time where we figure out how to communicate better and work together. I think some of that can be facilitated through AI if it's done correctly, if it's like a real open source AI, where people can get a real better understanding of the actual mechanisms. Instead of whatever beliefs you have and why the system works the way it is, if you could just have it laid out, factually laid out, where there can be no shenanigans. You can't deny it.

I think one way would just be having podcasters and journalists. I mean, how the fuck would you do this? But one thing on my show, and I went off the rails a little bit the last month, I got a little more political than I wanted. I hate politics, man. Yeah, me too. I mean, the They come up all the time. It's the fate of the country. You think I like them? Yeah. Every time I dive in, I feel like I fucked a hooker on a rusty couch. You know what I mean? It's like, I don't think this shit's going to wash off me now.

You know what I'm talking about? I do.

But anyways, where I was going is people have just lost the fucking ability to think for themselves. They can't critical think anymore. So one thing that I do on mine is if I bring somebody on that's... I'm like, Don't say Trump 500 times on my show. Let's not say, Fuck the left, fuck the right. Let's not say these fucking Democrats and these fucking Republicans. Just give me the policy, just give me the problem. Let's just leave all that shit out. Because if you leave all those adjectives out, then it forces people to go, Well, shit, I don't really know. It forces them to formulate their own opinion because they don't know what their side thinks about that particular issue, unless you're talking about abortion or something like that. But you know what I mean? If you can leave those adjectives out, then I think common sense will start to make a comeback because it won't be so tribal. It will be like, Well, actually, I don't know where the party that I align with stands on this, so I'm going to have to formulate my own fucking opinion here. Man, that would do wonders.

We would definitely need more people that are willing to do that, too, because some people just don't have the time or the interest to form their own opinions on things. It's so much easier to just agree with whatever their side believes. How did you get started in doing a podcast? What was the motivation behind I used to teach weapons and tactics, and I taught Keana Reeves for John Wick 3, and then I got a lot of hate.

I'll just put it that way. I got a lot of hate from the special operations community, from the two-way community. And I was like, You know what, man? It's very egocentric community anyways. And so I was like, I'm like, fucking done with this shit. And so I just started... Dude, I didn't know what to do. I was doing camping stove reviews, and I bought a bunch of fucking alpacas and put them in my front yard and I thought I was going to be a farmer. But you know what I did? I was like, Dude, I'm so fucking tired of my guys killing them themselves and going into depression and suicide attempts. And I got sick of the same talking heads on TV, documenting what was going on over there. It was a bunch of people who had never even stepped foot in any of those war zones, documenting what happened over there. So I just started and I built, I don't know, maybe 250,000 subs on YouTube from gun stuff. So I started, I was like, one, we got to document the history. Two, there's a major fucking suicide epidemic happening. So let's talk about some guys that had attempted.

I mean, I tried to kill myself. But let's get some guys that have really been through it, dug themselves out of it. We're documenting history the way it happened. We are We're talking about the veteran crisis that's going on and how people got out of it. Then at the end of every episode was, Hey, let's talk about your business because it's stories we'd sell. So let's do the a full story and get everybody super attached to you. Let's document the history, talk about your vulnerabilities, what it was like retransitioning back into civilian life, how fucked up it was, how you ruined your family, how you tried to kill yourself, all that shit, how you came out of it, and then let's talk about your business. And so these guys would come on and their business would jet launch overnight, which I'm sure you Dude, I just like doing it. I liked fucking helping people. But I'll tell you, it was I loved it. There's nothing else I'd rather do. I started feeling a lot of resentment to my guests because they would come on my show and then they would pass me up business-wise like that.

And I was like, Fuck, man. What the fuck do I have to do to make a business out of this shit? I'm great at jet launching everybody else's shit, but I'm not making any fucking money here, and I got to family to support, and this isn't going to work out. And then I don't know what happened, man, but then something just switched. God just stepped in and was like, You're doing good shit. I'm going to bless you. And I just hit a turning point. And now I just talk to whoever I'm interested in.

Well, you're doing a great show, and I think that's all it takes. You do a great show. And then the beautiful thing about social media and YouTube and all these different things is people could just share it. I've had a few people. I think Billy Carson, I think somebody sent me that one. And it's just like someone would say, Hey, you should check this out, and just send you a text message. That's such a massive advantage of YouTube and Spotify and a lot of these apps is that someone could just send you a show. You would really love the show. Check it out. And then you just click it. And then all of a sudden it's playing. And I play it in my car, I could play it in the sauna, and I'm listening to this. And it's a complete new thing that's available anytime you want. You could pause it. I know it's you. One of the things I like about your show is I can 100 % tell this is just you talking to these guys like, What did you do? Okay, explain that to me. It's just you. And in this world of talking heads, that has become a very refreshing alternative to a lot of people.

If you do a good show like yours, it just grows. It's just people will find it. People share it, and it just organically grows.

Well, thank you for checking it out.

Hey, my pleasure.

Why did you start yours?

I started just on a laptop answering questions with a friend of mine, my friend Brian, who I started with. We were just fucking around. We thought it'd be fun to just do for fun. I always wanted to do a radio show, but I thought no one's ever going to give me a radio show. When I was touring, doing clubs back in the day where you would have to do morning radio, I would like to do it because I have these crazy things that I'm interested in, crazy stories. So I'd come in and do these morning radio shows, and I'd be like, wow, what a great job that would be a morning radio game. I'd fuck up and swear that wouldn't work. And then the rise of podcasts Adam Carola had one, and there's a bunch of other ones. And then Opie and Anthony, Anthony Kumia from Opie and Anthony, started doing his own show called Live From the Compound, where he's doing karaoke, holding a machine gun, and he's out of his fucking mind. I built a television studio in his basement. I was like, fuck, he can do that and do that online? I need to start doing something.

So we started out just doing this little... Oh, and also the Tom Green show. Tom Green had his own internet talk show, and I was a guest on it long before my podcast. I was like, you just got to figure out how to make money out of this. You could see the seeds of my podcast being planted while I was on his show. I was like, This is amazing. No executives, no one talking to you. And then I actually even was in talks with the company that was doing it with him to do my own thing with them, but I just decided to do it on my own. I'm like, I don't do nothing with nobody. I wanted it to just be 100 % me just fucking around. And in the beginning, all my friends were like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you wasting your time? They'd come over to my house, and my kids were really young at the time. So in the early days, you would hear we were in one of my spare bedrooms with a desk set up, and you'd hear, mommy, she took my things. You'd hear that in the background.

The kids are arguing with each other. So it was from that, moving to a little studio, we rented a little office space somewhere, and then moved into a warehouse and got a real studio and then started having security there and then started, well, I should have a fucking gym here. Let's put a gym in. And started bringing guys to train with. And then it just got big. All organic. I never did ads for it. I never did put a billboard up. I never went on other people's podcast and said, please watch my podcast. Never did any of that. Never promoted it. It just grew. That's awesome. But it's all the same reason why yours is growing. It's just I talk to whoever I want to talk to. I watched your show a bunch of times, reached out to you on Instagram. Look what's up. But the way you do it and the way I do it is I think that's why it's interesting. Because I can tell when you're talking to that guy that was talking about the direct energy weapons in Antarctica, all that crazy shit. You wanted to hear what the guy had to say.

This is why he was on there. This isn't like some producer has told you the list of guests that you're going to have for the week, and you're not really interested in it, and you got to interview some fucking kid in a boy band. I can't do it. There's no reason to do it.

When I started, we started in the attic. It was me and my wife. We had these shit cameras that had 30 minutes timers. Mike Glover was my first guest. And so my wife was running back and forth, resetting these 30 minutes fucking Timer cameras. And I'm trying to run the sound and listen to what the hell Mike's saying. And I'm like, This is fucking awesome.

We're going to do this for a long time. What year did you start?

I started, first one got pumped out, Christmas of 2019.

Wow. Yeah. Well, that's also a great example because a lot of people want to say that the podcast market is too saturated now. I've heard people say that, It's too hard to make it in the podcast market. I'm like, I don't believe that. I don't believe that. I think if you got a good show, it's going to rise.

Same here.

And that's you.

Thank you. Thank Well, I studied the hell out of your show when I was doing it. I just wanted to make it different. I didn't want to copy the red curtain. You know what I mean? You made it yours.

Yeah, you really did. That's the great thing about this. We need more voices like yours out there, more different people that are doing the same thing, following their own interests, talking to people honestly, having these long long term long form podcast. The one with the guy studying the UFOs, I think that's four and a half hours long, right?

Which one?

What's his name? John Alexander?

Yeah. I did one that was nine hours.

Yeah, John Alexander. This one is... How long is this one? Let me check. Let's say.

Resume.

It's six hours on YouTube.

6 hours. Yeah. It's 6 hours in a couple of minutes of you talking to this guy about paranormal programs in the government.

I don't want to let him go.

No, it was amazing. It's crazy stuff, man. Thank you. Listen, Sean, it was great to meet you. I really appreciate you. I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate how you do it, and it's good to become friends.

Hey, thank you for having me, Joe. My pleasure. It's good to be here.

All right. Bye, everybody. Oh, watch the show, Sean Ryan Show. It's on everything, right? Yeah. All right. Cheers. All right.

Bye, everybody.