Transcript of #BecauseMiami: Miami Mayor Has a Problem With Black People New

What is the number that is fine with you? Is there, is there a benchmark? Is it fine? How many children can be raped and it's fine if you're in relation to the immigration community?

If we're going to talk about children being raped, then we need to hold this pedophile President Donald Trump accountable and all those that have been implicated by the Epstein files that the Department of Justice is still not leaking. And they've sent AIPAC after Thomas Massie for having the temerity to hold accountable the pedophiles that are in control of our government.

Thank you.

We appreciate your time very much. I mean, you can see, Roy, how Fox News anchor Trace Gallagher knew he walked right into it. Like, at the end of his own question, he specifically added that kind of addendum where he's like, you know, this is talking about strictly in the context of immigration, because I think I just realized as soon as the question spilled out of my mouth that I know where this son of a bitch is going to go with this. This son of a bitch is Oliver Larkin, who is the Democratic challenger to Jared Moskowitz, the Democratic incumbent in Florida's 25th Congressional District. Did I get that with the gerrymandering? I'm sorry, redistricting we call it here in Florida. We can't even— we can't even figure out like which— we always talk about Roy's district, but then we can never remember which district you're in.

We officially have it as District 24 in my area.

You are— so you are neighbors to Oliver Larkin's challenge. So, Oliver, before we get into the fact I've never— I've never talked to a real live or interviewed a real live Democratic Socialist before, so this will be kind of— I had a friend who was one who left years ago because they got a little too crazy even for him. So we'll get to talk about that. I'll get into my David Attenborough a little bit, and we'll go some wildlife sociology. We'll be like, we have a real life Democratic Socialist here to talk to you. But first, Oliver, that viral moment from your Fox News interview a week or so ago with Trace Gallagher. I mean, he just walked right into that one, didn't he?

Yeah. And he had asked the question in a really inflammatory way 2 or 3 times before that. And I tried to give the responsible answer of immigrants commit fewer crimes in proportion to U.S. citizens, that we have nothing to fear with immigrants coming to this country to seek a better life. But as soon as he invoked the child rape accusation, then if you're going to play that game, then we're going to have to talk about the Epstein files and Donald Trump. So it was not the answer I intended to give, but You can only demonize immigrants so much before we call out the elephant in the room.

You were not trying to go viral. You didn't go through all the trouble as a Democratic socialist to go on Fox News in order to not get a clip that you could share to X, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok.

Okay, okay. Maybe, maybe I was looking for a fight. I knew what I was getting into going on Fox News, but that was not the alley-oop that I was expecting for them to throw it off the backboard for me.

Yeah, I mean, if the guy sets it up, I mean, what else are you going to do but put it through the net, man? Oh, I am Sports. I know I couldn't. I couldn't hit the card fast enough, but Roy knows exactly what I'm thinking. Is ready to do it live. Sports. There you go. Okay. Before I start asking you some invasive questions because you're a—

Comunista!

Comunista! What the hell is a Democratic Socialist? Because you— I mean, you're not— you go to your campaign website, which is— I'm looking at OliverLarkin.com. OliverForCongress.com. And it says right there, you are the Democratic Socialist candidate running against Democrat incumbent Jared Moskowitz. So what does that mean? You're a Democratic Socialist. What does it mean to people who would want to vilify or demagogue that?

Yeah, to me, Democratic socialism is having democratic control over the systems that are necessary for human life. So we in the United States are the wealthiest nation on earth not to guarantee healthcare as a right. I believe in Medicare for All, as do the Democratic Socialists of America. I believe that one wage should be enough to get by if you're working full-time, that a minimum wage job should pay a living wage, that you can afford your housing, your, uh, transportation, your groceries. I believe that education is something that we should expand access to with free college tuition and not put people deeply into debt for trying to better themselves and seek a better life with furthering their education. So it's really about bringing the systems that I think we already have some form of socialism, whether it's Medicare or Social Security or Pell Grants. We already subsidize to varying levels, uh, these systems, but we still have people that fall through the cracks and that cannot afford, uh, even with a Medicare system, they can't afford their healthcare. Even with Social Security, it's not enough to live on, on a fixed income. So to me, democratic socialism is just bringing equity and universality to the economic programs that have really been, uh, forming the bedrock of the American social safety net that brought us out of the Great Depression and furthered society during LBJ's Great Society program.

That's, I think, the continuation of what we in the Democratic Socialists of America want to see the Democratic Party and the United States government fight for.

Well, all of that sounds horrible. So listen, as I often have to point out, particularly to my Republican friends who are very fond of a lot of these programs, some of the most popular programs in the history of this country, in this government, have arguably been socialist programs. One is actually called Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, a lot of programs who help protect the underprivileged, the elderly after they, they retire and pay into a system that now the Republicans seem very passionately wanting to dismantle and/or privatize. I think you make some interesting points there. There are some other issues as well. I mean, let's look at the Democratic Socialists of America's 2026 agenda. They abolish the Senate. Where are we on this abolishing one of the two houses of the third branch, or really the second branch of government?

Yeah, you know, the Democratic Socialists of America is a big organization with 120,000 members. I'm running for Congress to engage with the system as it exists today and make sure that we are bringing more democratic accountability to the systems that govern our lives. We have historically low approval ratings with Congress, and we see Mitch McConnell— or we don't see Mitch McConnell. Where is he? We have a system that is dysfunctional. That does not have equal levels of democracy. If you're a Washingtonian living in Washington, D.C., this has never truly been a democracy for you. So I believe that in Florida, we need to win this Senate race. We need to send, in my estimation, Angie Nixon to the U.S. Senate and bring a Democratic Senate majority to put a check on Donald Trump the same way that we're fighting for a Democratic House majority. But as a long-term goal, I do think that we need to look at expanding the House of Representatives, of bringing more ranked choice voting into the system to give Yes, look at a system that privileged white slaveholding, landowning male citizens that was designed to suppress real democratic participatory democracy in our system.

So this is a long-term outlook, a framework that DSA has passed as a platform. But for our campaign, we're really focused on delivering for Floridians in November and really affecting the kind of change that we need to see lower the cost of living.

So, well, when you, when you bring up Mitch McConnell, I have to always disclose again to the audience that we prerecord some of these segments.

So he might be dead by the time this goes up and online.

There's really no telling. Mitch McConnell could be back on the Senate floor tap dancing by now, for all we know. I think it's extremely, extremely unlikely. And I do want to say, because I know Roy has a tap dancing— has a question for you. I don't believe— and this is going to open up a whole can of worms— that Angie Nixon, who I like very much, has been on this program. I don't think she win statewide. And I know that is not the most popular opinion amongst, you know, a certain segment of the Democratic Party. I think the Democrats, especially in this state, should want to try to win for a change. That would be a nice change of pace in the state of Florida. I don't think that a self-avowed Democratic socialist is going to move the needle in a statewide election in Florida. I think Vindman is the much more likely— if there's a chance to unseat the unelected Republican incumbent, for the United States Senate, Ashley Moody, I think, reasonably speaking, in terms of galvanizing NPA support and maybe even peeling away some Republican support along with a depressed Republican turnout. Florida is darker red than Georgia or Texas right now.

We are not a purple state anymore. And to see this state go from dark red to Democratic socialist in a statewide U.S. Senate election in a single cycle seems just extremely unlikely to me. I know you'll have something to say about that, Oliver, but I know Roy has something.

Yeah, there's another institution in this country right now with low approval ratings, and that is the Supreme Court. Now, assuming that both wings of Congress gets flipped, do you believe that— assumption, that is a gigantic assumption, uh, do you believe that the Supreme Court should be expanded?

Yes, there are 3 big changes that I think we should use, uh, to change the nature of the Supreme Court. One is expanding it to 13 justices. I mean, we had Merrick Garland denied a hearing by Mitch McConnell for 13 months before presidential election and then saw Amy Coney Barrett confirmed when millions of votes had been cast in the 2020 election. So the hypocrisy to rig the Supreme Court majority with a 6-3 conservative supermajority— we need to expand the court to 13 justices. We also need a binding code of ethics. We've seen the violations, or what would be violations under any reasonable system, of Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas accepting gifts, accepting vacations from people like Harlan Crow, billionaires with business before the Supreme Court. And then I would like to see term limits. I think that an 18-year term limit that I've seen introduced is a reasonable one. We should not have lifetime appointments, especially when these conservatives are going to look at people coming out of the Federalist Society that are maybe 40 years old that could sit on the court for 40 or 50 years. So, yeah, we need major, major changes in the Supreme Court.

And hopefully I would be part of a committee like the House Judiciary Committee to provide some level of greater scrutiny and oversight than what the Republicans are providing right now.

Oliver, I forgot to ask you, who the hell are you? Where do you come from? Tell me a little bit, a little bit about yourself.

Yeah, I'm Oliver Larkin from the city of Fort Lauderdale in Broward County. Lived in South Florida virtually all my life. Former Bernie Sanders campaign staffer, union organizer. I was a college football player at Sewanee, the University of the South in Tennessee. I was a defensive end, number 54, hand in the dirt, as Dan likes to say. And really after taking on student loan debt and working a minimum wage job as a line cook.

Sports!

D3. I wasn't that good. No athletic scholarship. So had to take out student loan debt. And right at the time that Bernie Sanders was launching his campaign for president, I was really radicalized by Rick Scott winning his reelection for governor at the time in 2014 when he was banning terms like climate change. It just confounded me when climate activism was the thing that I got involved in before really electoral politics in high school and college. So I went, worked on the Sanders campaign, traveled the country, then went to unionize my workplace with the NewsGuild Communication Workers of America, doing advocacy work with candidates, with campaigns, including with then New Florida Majority, now Florida Rising's 2018 Amendment 4 campaign to restore voting rights to over 1 million Floridians. So I've been in the background. I've been a supporting player, an organizer, a strategist that's worked with Democratic campaigns, labor unions, nonprofits. But I decided to step forward in this race because South Florida is really experiencing a leadership vacuum and the Democratic Party needs new leadership if it's going to turn things around in our state. So that's what brings me into this race, a Floridian that really cares about the future of our state, that really believes that we need to embrace, you know, big, bold, universal programs that are going to benefit the vast majority of Floridians and the vast majority of Americans.

Before we go, then, One last question. You're in a primary with the incumbent, Jared Moskowitz. Why you? Why not Jared Moskowitz?

Yeah, why me? I'm showing up. I'm fighting for Medicare for All, for universal childcare, for paid family and medical leave, for ending this illegal war with Iran and stopping the lawbreaking of both U.S. and international law by continuing to fund war crimes overseas. So I want to see our taxpayer dollars spent where they belong here at home. I'm not taking a dime of corporate PAC money. We've got over 13,000 individual campaign donors. So nothing from AIPAC, AI, cryptocurrency, none of that. And this is in stark contrast to our incumbent representative, Jared Moskowitz, who, in addition to being a self-described Ron DeSantis Democrat with two political appointments by our governor, our Republican governor, who's the first Democrat in Congress to join Doge, who's the only Democrat in our state delegation to vote for the Lake and Riley Act after Donald Trump promised mass detention and deportation on the 2024 campaign trail. Congressman Moskowitz also personally recommended Adam Hasner, a former Republican House Majority Leader and GEO Group private prison executive, to lead Florida Atlantic University. This is not the kind of leadership that South Florida, our state, or our country deserve. We deserve someone who's willing to show up, have public town halls, engage with the community.

That's what we've been doing, and that's what we'll continue to do after August 18th and after November 3rd when we win this election. So I hope everyone in Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach County gets out and vote. Early voting starts in Miami-Dade on August 3rd, so it's already underway. Early voting in Broward and Palm Beach on August August 8th, on Election Day, August 18th.

I don't think we've had a guest who, with their last response, has opened up more cans of worms that have left me with far more questions to ask them. But we're out of time, and I hope that you will come back sometime so I can ask all of those questions, because that was like— that was just some rapid-fire shit. And I know I asked for it. I'm not complaining. I'm just saying I have a lot to ask you about that, and I appreciate you coming on. And best of luck to you. It is oliverforcongress.com.

Oliver Larkin, thank you. Thanks, Billy.

Colleagues, we have 3 people talking at once and this is a professional meeting. We— professionally, I'm not sure. Listen, Commissioner King, one, don't point your finger at me because I'm not your child. Don't point your finger at me.

Miami Mayor Eileen Higgins has a problem with Black people, Black women especially. She famously was elected as the first Democratic mayor in Miami in decades and a kind of progressive hero. I don't know where that mythology about her kind of grew, but these nonpartisan municipal elections that we have here, local elections, there is no D or R next to the name. And I would argue there is no red and blue. It's just green, Roy. It's just green. It's the pocketbook party. That is the party once you become a city commissioner or council member or county commissioner. And Eileen Higgins, since she has become the Miami mayor, the first 7 months has been marked by a series of self-inflicted and motivated incidents of just like disrespect and in, in some cases outright disenfranchisement of a community that voted for her overwhelmingly and arguably helped to put her into office. I mean, the stats in some of the Black precincts in the city of Miami were upwards of 70, 80, 90% of the vote went her way. And she celebrated her first Black History Month in office by purging the mayor's office of every Black employee, both of them, two Black women who were let go.

Her administration removed the woman who was the longtime environmental kind of champion within the city for trees because there's been a rash of trees being just destroyed and Miami's tree canopy being destroyed. She was removed because she was not— would not play ball and let developers do whatever the hell they wanted to our trees. You've now had her removing Christine King, the first female and a Black woman, from her chair position at the city. And now a pretty shocking development, which we just learned from Christine King live in a commission meeting, about a $25 million grant that was supposed to go to Overtown infrastructure and the Underline project to kind of reconnect a community that was destroyed by the construction of a highway. And instead, she got a grant from the feds, Eileen Higgins, for a bridge for the billionaire developers at— what do they call it— Inter Miami, Miami Freedom. I don't even know what the hell it's called. But, but she went to work for the billionaire developers. And Dr. Marvin Dunn, friend of the show, a historian and author, civil rights activist, a professor emeritus at Florida International University, founder of the Miami Center for Racial Justice, widely known for documenting African American history in Florida and leading educational Teach the Truth history tours, also the author of the seminal book on Black history in Miami.

It's called New Stadium, by the way.

New Stadium?

Yes.

What does that mean? You, new stadium. Okay. I'd much rather shout out Black Miami in the 20th Century, a must-read authored by Dr. Dunn, who has been on the show before. He's back on the show again. Thank you for being here, Dr. Dunn. I want to show a post you put on social media about the removal of Christine King from the chairship at the City of Miami Commission. You wrote, it signals she— I guess meaning Eileen Higgins, the mayor of Miami— could care less about Overtown and much more about the Cuban vote in Miami. I voted for her. I imagine meaning Eileen Higgins, and cannot get a meeting with her. Am I reading that right? You're talking about the mayor?

I am talking about the mayor, and I'm very, very disappointed in her. I supported her and urged other people to vote for her, and I don't know what happened. I had high hopes that we had a new leadership approach in the city of Miami, that we were past the internal squabbling and what have you. And then now this. And I certainly thought that Overtown was going to be the beneficiary, one of the beneficiaries of her election. I'm not seeing it. And I'm very, very disturbed about these couple of things you mentioned, taking that leadership position from Christine King and then very dismissively saying, "Thank you so much for your service." And why all that? If she was so thankful for Christine's service, why did she take her job? And now to pick a bridge to games, professional games, as opposed to really helping Overtown. That's the last straw. You need so, so much in that community that's being ravaged still by the infrastructure that serves really white people and not the Black people. And then to take that so that some folks can walk easier to a soccer game or whatever. So I'm waiting on this mayor.

I'm also waiting on her on the Trump Library thing. In order for that library to be built, if it were a library, the federal government would— she's very limited as to what she could do as a city. But Trump is not building a presidential library. He is building a presidential center, same as Obama. A presidential center comes under the city and the county. The presidential library folks would have to make the same sort of accommodations to the city of Miami as would anybody else who wants to put up a building. Do they plan to have parking? Uh, has the mayor raised that question with the Trump Presidential Foundation people? I understand that they don't intend to have parking for this thing. 47 stories, luxury hotel, and no requirement for parking, and a silent mayor. I don't know what's going on.

Well, where am I supposed to park when I go over there to play blackjack at the casino? I mean, what are we talking about here? I guess I'll just take the Metro Mover over there. Doctor, and I want to allow Miami Commissioner, former Commission Chairwoman Christine King, in her own words. She herself and District 2 Commissioner Damian Pardo had championed this Overtown Underline grant. So I want her to describe exactly what happened here.

We applied for a grant, federal government. The city thought it was appropriate to put in a competing grant for the InterMiami Stadium, of which they were awarded the grant. So instead of us being awarded a grant to address decades of quality of life issues in the Overtown community, we are now going to get a walkway to make it more convenient for folks to attend sporting events.

So that covered some of what we previously discussed, but also what happened here, Roy, was that the city, Christine King and Damian Pardo, had applied for this grant from the federal government for $25 million for Overtown. And unbeknownst to them, Eileen Higgins and her administration kind of slid in on the sly. No, they didn't know. Christine King didn't know about it.

Wow.

That it was like revealed to her later by the administration that they secretly applied for a competing grant.

Oh my gosh.

Knowing, knowing full well that the federal government, if it awarded one grant to the city of Miami, was not going to award it both grants. So it was gonna be one or the other.

And then, ah, no, no, no, it was not going to award it to a bunch of black people.

Well, interestingly, Eileen Higgins went to Washington, D.C. repeatedly, as did Christine King, independently, to lobby for their respective grant proposals. And what Eileen Higgins said was that, well, it seemed to her in her conversations with the administration— I'm talking about the Trump administration— that the Overtown project did not necessarily fit in with their priorities. And her oligarch bridge, her sports welfare bridge for Jorge Mas, and, you know, her bend over for Beckham over here, that that was much more aligned or attuned with the administration priorities. And so, in fact, she had even, I think, had considered finding a way to withdraw the Overtown application because she was concerned that it might— I don't know, it's all just at this point just sounds like a bunch of bullshit excuses. But that's the bottom line, is Eileen Higgins went head to head after the fact and secretly competed with that grant. That's what happened, Dr. Dunn. I want to get your comment on that, but I also would hope that you would enlighten us a bit on the importance of not necessarily the underlying project itself, but how reconnecting Overtown— why that is historically important to this city.

It is so important. I'll take that part first, because Overtown is so disconnected from the city, and that's becoming the case every day as you see buildings going up, things that have nothing to do with Overtown as we have known it just now totally taken over that community. We are losing Overtown. Overtown today is no longer predominantly Black. It is predominantly white and Hispanic. So we are losing. And Christine is trying to save a part of that community that's been so ravaged by progress. And then to have this happen, I don't know how the mayor is going to recover from that, because those of us who are Black, who have interests in the city are going to make sure that people know that this happened. Why secretly? Why not be open about it? This is the way that city of Miami used to be run. I thought that we were moving into a new era where that sort of backdoor dealing was no longer descriptive of politics in Miami. So she's going to have a hard time recovering from this because we're not going to forget. And I also should add, this is not new.

Overtown has always been the last one to get to the trough and only to find it empty or just filled with stuff you wouldn't want anymore. So this is typical of the way that community has been treated historically. And I was very optimistic and hopeful when this new mayor was— I celebrated when she was elected. But now silence on the Trump Library. Allowing this takeaway from Overtown, she's losing me.

Dr. Dunbar, why don't you talk about the history of Overtown, how it's our Black Wall Street, and the original sin of the entire town being split apart by the building of I-95?

When the city of Miami was founded in 1896, the requirement was that Black people had to live in Overtown. It was called the Colortown at the time. Now, if you were Black and you were in Coconut Grove, you were fine. If you were Black and you were in Lemon City, now Little Haiti, you were fine. But if you came into the new city of Miami and you were a Black person, you lived in Colortown. And you could not be outside of Colortown after dark without a pass signed by a white person. So Overtown was isolated, but it was also very successful. Black folks had to spend their money in Overtown. When my dad came to Overtown in 1938, he said you couldn't walk between the buildings on 3rd Avenue and 2nd Avenue, there's so many businesses. Overtown had 3 or 4 movie theaters. It was booming, but a lot of that was because of segregation itself, when you could not spend your money if you were Black outside of Overtown. Added to that comes that expressway. Now, keep in mind that 90, 95% of the people who live in Overtown are renters. Black folks in Miami-Dade County, but in the city of Miami in particular, are landless people.

So the interstate comes through to serve the broader community, not the folks in Overtown. And between the late 1950s and mid-1960s, they wipe out the Overtown community with that interstate. Overtown went from 40,000 people to about 12,000 people in a decade. And those folks who left moved north into Liberty City. So you wonder why Liberty City became such a problem with crime and crowding? Go back to the expressway. And the folks who moved up there didn't have land, didn't have money. What did they have to do? Move into those apartments, those concrete monsters, as we call them. So Overtown has always been vulnerable to neglect, vulnerable to injury. It has always been a place where the people who lived there had relatively little political power or economic power. So these kinds of things that happened to Overtown, and as long as the Cuban vote is so powerful, no wonder we have a mayor who won't speak out against the Trump Library or who would allow a sporting bridge walkway to be more important than doing something meaningful about Overtown. Very, very disappointing.

I think Overtown was known as like the Harlem of the South 'cause it was such a vibrant cultural and economic center for the Black community. My grandfather's 98 years old. When he was running nightclubs in Miami Beach, he had huge, he had Demita Joe there, he had Sammy Davis Jr. there, he had, and they were not allowed to stay. In Miami Beach overnight. They could perform at the nightclubs where they would have to first register because they'd be there after dark. They'd have to register with the police department. My grandfather famously told the story, I think on this show, about how he went to the police department with Demita Joe's band and he demanded that they check him in too. He got one of the cards 'cause he said, if they have to do it, I have to do it. My grandfather still has his card, probably the only white person in the world who's got one of those registrations.

Let me point out that when, when those nightclubs were booming in Overtown, about half the audience were white people. Who came in from Miami Beach, came in from the city of Miami into Overtown to enjoy the music, to enjoy the nightlife in Overtown. So as a matter of fact, when the white folks came to the clubs in Overtown, they got to sit up front and the Black folks were segregated in their own nightclubs in Overtown. But a lot of the support for the artists came from white people coming in because they could not do without that good music.

Well, you had the greatest entertainers in the world, not just Black entertainers, the greatest entertainers in the world and the history —of entertainment. Sinatra performing. I'm talking about the Black entertainers, but they were the greatest entertainers in the world, and they were performing in the major duty nightclubs and hotels of Miami Beach, but then had to leave after their shows. And so you had the greatest entertainers in the world— greatest boxer in the world as well— forced to stay in Overtown, which just meant that the greatest shows in the world were happening after hours in Overtown. So why wouldn't all the white people who wanted culture and entertainment go to Overtown?

Let me also mention that Overtown was where the Black athletes of the moment stayed. Those athletes who were world-renowned, they stayed, they couldn't stay in, you know, on Miami Beach or downtown Miami either. They stayed in Overtown. So you're talking about some of the greatest athletes of the period also having to live in, not live, but stay in Overtown, except Muhammad Ali. He didn't stay in Overtown. I met the Black woman, her name was Eunice Liberty. She was in her 90s, a retired schoolteacher. When Ali came to Miami, he came often, he stayed at her house in Brownsville and she took care of him. She said if Ollie had tried to stay in Overtown, the women would have swamped any building he was in. So he stayed up there and she took care of him and shared a lot of stories with me about him. But Overtown, you're right, was the Harlem of the South. My dad told me that when he came to Overtown, you wouldn't— when you came from work, you changed your clothes before you went on 2nd Avenue. Third Avenue. You would not dare go out without your best, even during the week.

So there was all of that. And crime, unheard of. Community togetherness, incredible. And then it's all gone away. Almost all of it. There's some buildings that will probably survive, but I'm not sure that much else will.

People interested in this in pop culture, there is a wonderful play and a movie that was made from One Night in Miami, which is a fictionalized scenario in which February of 1964, the famous Cassius Clay-Sunny Liston fight in Miami Beach. And you have, well, then Cassius Clay, soon to be Muhammad Ali, Malcolm X, Jim Brown, Sam Cooke, yeah, all gathering at the Hampton House, uh, which is still there, the historic Hampton House. And because people think of Miami as this, you know, international metropolitan city, we were the Jim Crow South with sundown towns. And I think a lot of people today kind of forget that and neglect that. And I feel The more this administration, the presidential administration, but now maybe even the local administrations, keep this up, we might be right back there again.

Do we have time to talk about the race of Judge Maribel Ruiz who ruled against the Trump Library? What's happening with her? Are we out of time?

We have time for whatever you want to talk about, Dr.

Douglass. Okay. I really would like to talk about this just for a moment. Judge Maribel Ruiz is on the ballot. And she's being opposed by a MAGA candidate who has never tried a jury case. And the reason that this judge has drawn opposition is because she stopped temporarily the Trump Library and the steal of that land from Miami-Dade County. And I'm just asking folks to just be aware, a lot of us don't think about judgeships, who to vote for. We just sort of skip it. But please vote for Judge Maribel Ruiz. She really is a good judge. She stood up to Trump. And she's paying the price. MAGA is trying to get the woman off the bench. So please give a good, fine judge a chance to continue to serve our community. And thank you for a chance to say that.

I talked about this with Bonita Jones Peabody. I'm not a fan of judges being elected at all. I think it's toxic. But it is a thing that unfortunately that we have to do as voters here in this community. And I think it appears as though 2 of the 3 branches of the federal government have basically already failed us. And I think that third branch, the independent judiciary, is kind of holding on, you know, barely holding on to the bark there. And I think we need to do everything we can do because, remember, she didn't stop it from happening. As you said, she temporarily stopped it from happening in accordance with the law. She had an injunction. And then when the law said, you know, informed her the other way, she pulled the injunction. So the idea that there should be some sort of takeover—

yeah, when they have— when they have that second meeting out at The second meeting is where she then had to let them move ahead. But I'm just so hopeful that her judgeship will survive and that people recognize that just because someone has a lot of money, as her opposition does, that a good judge needs to get support from the community.

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