This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show's second hour covers college football and NBA talk, with host Jonathan Zasloe and the panel running through weekend games and their Big Game or Not a Big Game picks. The main thread is the Miami Heat's trade of players to Milwaukee for Giannis Antetokounmpo and how Khalel Weir and Tyler Herro have fared since.
The panel debates whether the Heat's culture or the Bucks' environment explains the players' development, and whether Coach Eric Spoelstra was right to bench Weir. Listeners also hear about tanking rules, Damian Lillard's return to Portland, and a controversy involving Steph Curry and Gilbert Arenas.
The hosts offer their views as commentary, so the opinions shared are theirs rather than settled facts.
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Alright, folks, welcome to Big Game or Not a Big Game, with Jonathan Zasloe.
Aww, yes, Big Game or Not a Big Game. That's a lot going on. You guys are probably out like Zasloe. I gotta know, you know?
I gotta know.
What are the big games, what are the not big games?
I've got to know.
Tony, what do you got? Big Game or Not a Big Game?
Big Game or Not a Big Game, 3:30 PM on CBS. The USC Trojans head over to the Indiana Hoosiers, 6-18 versus 9. Indiana dropped 5 spots and didn't play.
Big Game or Not a Big Game? Yeah, so this is kind of a last stand here for USC. They do have a couple more opportunities. They also face UCLA in a couple of weeks. But this is kind of the last stand for USC against an Indiana team that is not very good offensively. They benched Josh Hoover, of course. They could barely score touchdowns. And, as Tony mentioned there, they dropped 5 spots without even playing. Number 18, USC. Number 9, Indiana. 3:30 PM, CBS.
That's a big game!
Whoa!
That's a big game!
Wow.
I don't know really what to expect from Indiana. I think USC could win this game, alright? But that's not what we're here for. I'm not making predictions right now. I'm just telling you if it's a big game or if it's not a big game. Juju, Big Game or Not a Big Game?
Number 10, BYU is taking on DJ Lagway and them boys in Baylor.
They're playing better.
They are playing better. Zaz, Big Game or Not a Big Game?
Alright, well, if we want to do a transitive theory.
Yes.
BYU, they lost at UCF. Baylor, they won at UCF.
They didn't just win at UCF.
They kicked their ass. Alright, you hear that, Jeremy? Kicked their ass. I also went to UCF, by the way. Why am I taunting him?
You went to three different schools.
Why am I?
I thought you went to Santa Fe.
I never went to Santa Fe. Never say that to me again. Anyway, everybody calm down. BYU, Baylor. Not a big game, Juju. That's not a big game. Come on now. Alright, let's see. Mike, Big Game or Not a Big Game?
Noon start, Hard Rock Stadium.
Wow.
Manny Diaz returns to Miami Gardens. The last time he came down with the Duke team, they were up at halftime. People forget. Cooper Parquet, Darien Mensa, leaders on Duke last season, now on Miami. The ACC title game in the crosshairs of Miami, but a team still struggling to find themselves after the loss to Malachi Tony. Big Game or Not a Big Game?
Could be the toughest of the final three games for the Canes. Virginia Tech may not be easy either, but this one could be the toughest. The Canes, do they have to win out? Probably not, but you think I need back-to-back losses in my life? Come on now. Duke, number 7, Miami. You think I need Manny Diaz? You're a terrible coach. You think I need Manny Diaz to come into Hard Rock Stadium and pin a loss on the Hurricanes?
Reigning ACC champion.
Oh, get out of here. They lost 5 games last year. Duke, number 7, Miami. Not a big game.
Wow!
It's not a big game because Canes are going to take that ass. And if one team is going to take that ass, that's not a big game. If I could turn up the game at halftime because the Canes are up by 4 touchdowns, that's not a big game.
I mean, when's the last time that happened?
It's going to happen this Saturday.
Okay.
Alright.
Pit.
Alright. Roy, Big Game or Not a Big Game?
7:30 on the American Broadcasting Company is the night game at Tiger Stadium at Death Valley in LSU, Texas. The Longhorns facing the LSU Tigers. Big Game or Not a Big Game?
Texas, LSU. Tomorrow morning, I'm flying to Baton Rouge. I'll be there for that. Death Valley at night. That's a different animal. Alright.
Well, it's the same animal. It's a tiger.
It's a different animal. Can Lane Kiffin suffer a fourth loss of the season? Texas is really good. That's going to be a hostile environment for Lane.
They're really good!
Who are you doing that? Who are you doing?
I'm doing Bad Bunny.
Who's that supposed to be?
Bad Bunny.
Alright.
I'm doing Bad Bunny.
Alright. Number 6, Texas. Number 21, LSU. Your boy will be standing on the sideline. If you see like, "Whoa, that looks like Zasloe." It is Zasloe!
Yes, sir.
That's a big game.
Big Game.
Tony, Big Game or Not a Big Game?
No, no. I was going to say, Puerto Rican Street Fight. Big Game, Not a Big Game.
The San Juan Street Fight. Bad Bunny, Damian Priest. Anything goes.
You know about that intro? You know about the greatest wrestler intro ever, Bob Oni? That was a big game. I mean.
Big Game.
Big Game or Not a Big Game?
Well, first of all, we need to retire the term Death Valley. There's too many places that call themselves Death Valley.
We too.
Can't be that many Death Valley.
We too.
That's too many. It's too many.
It should be zero.
If you threw the desert in California.
If there's too many, you think there should be zero?
I think yes.
Considering the recent struggles, both should punt on the nickname.
Yeah. But I'll tell you a big game. All those games are big games. I'll tell you a big game. The type of game you got to spit to get a recent divorcee who's going to be worth $80 billion. Laurie Mills, I'm looking at you right now. You want a big game? You got a big game. Me, Laurie Mills.
Big Game.
A mean? Laurie Mills, a mean trying to get that bag.
No!
I never knew.
I'm looking for love.
I never knew Laurie Mills. Laurie has zero syllables.
Laurie Mills.
Zero.
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I don't want the secrets? Skip the secrets. You can keep secrets from me, baby. I'm not jealous like that.
You know how it goes for me. You want to spy on me? You want to know something? I'll tell you. I ain't got nothing to hide. A mean? Laurie Mills, that's a big game.
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This is the Dan Le Batard Show.
So, I mean, I want to do a little bit of NBA here. And, well, you know, my favorite little basketball team in Miami Heat, they didn't play last night. They're actually NBA Cup tomorrow night.
Yeah.
You know about that NBA Cup?
Big Game.
NBA we just did that. NBA Cup is tomorrow night.
Big Game.
Heat have the Cavaliers. Cavs actually won at the Knicks last night. But are you paying attention at all to what's going on with the Milwaukee Bucks? And the reason that I bring this up, I mean, I'm bringing it up for local reasons, essentially. The Bucks lost at home last night to the Lakers. The Bucks tried to.
That's understandable. Lakers are a great team.
Nothing to be ashamed of.
Nothing to be ashamed of. Lucas Austin, MVP star. Austin Reaves is great. That's one of the best teams in the league. Best record in the West. Nothing to be ashamed of. But other than that game, I'm sure everything's going fine in Milwaukee.
The Bucks dropped to 111 last night. But the part that I really want to talk about here with the Milwaukee Bucks is part of that trade package that the Heat sent to Milwaukee for Giannis Antetokounmpo. You had Tyler Hero, Casperis Jakacunas, Jaime Jaquez, who's been fantastic, by the way.
Yes, he has.
And.
Khalel, no.
And Khalel Weir. Alright. And Khalel Weir last night got, I think, what might be his first start of the season because Miles Turner didn't play. I think Miles Turner didn't play because he's not trying anymore this season.
Yep.
But Khalel Weir.
This season.
Khalel Weir got the start last night. And I'm bringing this up because, I mean, have you seen what Khalel Weir has been doing? Or maybe I should say not doing so far this season?
No.
Like, for all the.
Like making baskets, not making baskets?
Like, for all the Heat fans the last couple of years who will get on Spo, "Why does Spo hate Khalel Weir? Why does he play Khalel Weir?" I think we could be really close to a place where, yeah, you know what? Eric Spo may have been right because Khalel Weir, as much as the Heat fan was mad at how little he was supposedly playing with the Heat, he plays less with the Milwaukee Bucks.
Yes.
And he doesn't even start for a 111 Bucks team. He plays less for Milwaukee.
But Zaz, I'm sure he's playing great. Just shooting the lights out of the ball, right? He's like the Wemby stopper, the Wemby kind of clone, right?
On the season, Khalel Weir is averaging 8 points.
That's good.
And 6 rebounds per game.
Wow.
He's 7 feet tall. He is shooting 39%. Not from 3.
From 3, right? Like, that's a great 31%. No?
39% overall.
Ah.
If you want to know what he is from 3 this season, he is 6 for 32.
Wow.
I mean, when are we at the point where, you know what? When Eric Spo doesn't play these guys who look super talented, even show flashes of being super talented, and he still doesn't want to play them, maybe Eric Spo knows something.
I'm not even going to go that because there's so many examples of great players who did not flourish under great coaches and went somewhere else and flourished. It happens all the time. Not going to put that on the kid. Not going to put that burden on Spo to be right every single time. What I am going to say is, though, a couple of things. Number one, when you have the opportunity to get someone as good as Giannis, and people say, "We can't give up Khalel Weir. He's the future." That's what I always say. How good could he be? Well, if everything breaks right, he could be as good as Giannis.
It's the old family guy bit. We're a boat to boat, but the mystery box could be anything.
Right. Why don't you just get Giannis?
It could be a boat. Like, "Okay, in that case, why don't I just get the boat? Why would I?"
Right.
Oh, maybe this thing is going to turn out to be something great. That's number one. Always number one, right? Number two, though, Khalel Weir, young guy trying to find his way in the league. You know what? It might work out for him. I wish the best for him. But there's another guy who's in that deal that was on SiriusXM NBA Radio maybe a month or so ago with those noted rabble rousers. I know who you are. Frank Isola and Brian Scalabrini. I know what you guys do. And they asked him, "Hey, man, that Heat culture stuff is fake, right?" And he clicked his heels.
He couldn't wait to let them know. "Oh, yeah, it's the same everywhere. Oh, they let us know. They brainwashed us into thinking this is only in Miami. But it's everywhere. Oh, I'm sure they have that culture in Milwaukee." Well, this is what he said last night. Play the clip.
Yeah, this is an experience for them. You know, it's a learning curve. You know, seeing what really impacts winning. Also feeling what it feels like to lose in this league. Obviously, this is the most I've ever lost in my life. But to feel it, you know, you'll never take winning for granted again.
I don't know. That's the guy right there who's maybe realizing, you know what? Maybe it's not the same everywhere.
I'm just saying, man. First of all, you're dressed ridiculously. Put that picture back up on the screen.
There should be two outfits you have. This is what I wear if we win and I talk to reporters. This is what I wear if we lose and I talk. And then, you know what? There's even a third one. There's a third outfit. This is what happens when we lose and we're 111.
He's wearing patent leather. To the listening audience, he's wearing patent leather overalls. White patent leather overalls.
Is that what that is? I thought they were, like, the holster for, like, a gun, but he doesn't have a gun in it, just, like, the holster.
Oh, those look cool.
Yeah.
Yeah, I like that.
Like, is that a vest?
Like a bassist in Interpol.
I think he looks like an extra in a genuine video. That's what he's wearing right there. Oh, except they would have the one-strap, unstrap to let everybody know I've been working out, right? So that's number one. But number two, more to the point. I shouldn't have done, you know what? Tyler, I'm sorry. That was what we call a non-sequitur. I should not have done that. An ad hominem attack. You wear whatever you want to wear. But it goes back to the, like, yes, it is different here. And people are like, "Oh, this is so different. Why are they under 500?" I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm not saying it can mask issues. I'm saying you cannot doubt the professionalism that this organization has.
And that guys who complain about it, when they leave, inevitably, at some point, they say this. Whether they say it out loud or say it in private. And I'm privy to many a player who has said this to me in private. I didn't know how good we had it. Yeah, they're hardasses. Yeah, I wish they'd let up. Yeah, some of these things don't really matter. But all the stuff that they got right when we went somewhere else and we're like, "This is how y'all do it?" Like, it's impossible not to make that comparison. So it's not about, are the Bucks terrible?
Are the Heat amazing? Or anything like that. It's just the idea that he would go on air and say, "Yeah, that was overblown." Like, you don't have to say that. Like, you know, you didn't have to say that because what they did was they took a player with a low lottery pick, right? 13 or 14 in the draft.
Yeah. Tyler, we're talking about?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they made you into an all-star, bro. Like, they made you into an all-star player. You can't tell me if he had been in Milwaukee.
He's putting up numbers in Milwaukee, but obviously, there's no win.
I'm just saying. Like, that all goes into it, right? The player development, but also the environment where you're going to be in a situation where we're not going to be awful. And so when you put up your numbers, people are going to value it and say, "Ooh, he's having a great season."
What's the empty stats, empty calories of, "Oh, you want to be the number one guy? Here, this is what it looks like when you're the number one guy doing whatever you want."
Right.
Well, he's putting up the same numbers he did here, just no wins.
Yeah, but you're the man now. Like, he wasn't the man here. There was BAM, there was other pieces in place to be like, "No, this is a hierarchy of how we do things." On top of that being Spo, now it's like, "You got free reign. You wanted to be the guy? Now you're the guy. Now you're 111. You're putting up the stats. 27 a game. Okay, great. What does it feel like?" And everyone's like, "Oh, the Heat traded their whole team." Okay. Well, that whole team that was, like, a 500 operation, they're up there in Milwaukee. What are they doing? What are they doing?
Well, and two of the guys, like Jakacunas doesn't play very much. Like, he played four minutes last night.
That's disappointing.
It is disappointing. And Khalel Weir, as I mentioned, plays less with Milwaukee on a one-win team than he did here with the Heat. Now, Jaquez, he's been fantastic. Like, really great.
I know that we look at that and I'm like, "Man, that's a good trade for Miami to do that." Like, guys, these were people that you did not want to give up in packages. The fights that we had over trading Khalel Weir.
No, that's not the fight we ever had.
Jaquez and Tyler Hero.
The fight we had.
Like, these are not.
Mike keeps doing this. The fight was, you tell me what was the deal where actually was turned down because they didn't want to throw in Khalel Weir. I'm saying, you're saying they're.
Durant.
You're saying they're not doing anything.
Durant. The ones that were reported, the one that I remember was Kevin Durant.
Durant. Durant. The offer was made.
Well, rather have Giannis right now or Durant? Do we have Giannis?
Yeah.
Yeah. But even so.
But I think you could still get Giannis.
They did not. It wasn't Durant was not a failure of our bid wasn't like, we said, "No, no, that's too much." Durant was Houston said, "I'd rather have the Phoenix deal because it had more draft capital and it gave them more flexibility." And that's my thing about front office work in general. If you're doing something, like, if you're not getting deals done, people automatically describe, "Well, you were asking too much," or, "You were holding on too much." Like, sometimes the deal just doesn't get done.
I also think we're talking about two different things. I'm not talking about why the Heat didn't do it and what was available to them.
Yeah.
I'm talking about the discourse around these players.
Oh, the discourse is always dumb.
From the fan base.
That's what we do. We have dumb discourse. We're doing it right now, to be honest with you. You think people are getting educated over this? No.
They are getting educated at Tyler Hero with him, punk-ass Jodeci overalls. Forever, my lady.
Speaking of Tyler Hero, so a couple of nights ago, obviously, the big story was Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum in the intro at tip-off, which Jaylen Brown looked like a fool. What's that intro at tip-off going to be with Tyler Hero and Bam Adebayo when they eventually play?
All respect, man. It's going to be all professionalism. They're not going to be hugs.
But they'll acknowledge each other.
Yeah. I think they'll get a fist bump.
I think Bam's too professional.
Bam's too professional. And also, when you're the one who can clearly kick.
Professional. Clocked him at Summer League. Yeah. Pro.
He wasn't on the clock.
Hey, man. That's company.
That's a top-of-the-line pro.
That's not company time, man. Pro means when I'm at work.
Yeah.
When I'm at work.
It was a basketball court time.
Hold on.
So any basketball court work?
Or it's at work now? What are you talking about?
I mean, they're on, like, it's a professional setting. There are other people there.
Tell Mike Ryan, do you want to hear?
You represent the Miami Heat.
Do you want to hear a great story of professionalism? Jerry Stackhouse. Jerry Stackhouse was renowned. One of the most professional guys. Even before there was all this dress code and stuff, wore a suit to every game. So Jerry Stackhouse is playing against a player whose name I can't remember now. I wish I could.
He stuck some dude, I remember.
So the guy was talking crazy. And Jerry was like, "Okay, I hope you feel that way after the game." Finishes the game. He doesn't get teed up or tossed or anything. Finishes the game. Showers. Puts on his suit. Puts on his earrings, the diamonds in the earrings, everything. Media rushes him. "Hey, Jerry, what happened with you and that guy out there?" And he said, "Well, you know, sometimes on the court, guys say things and they get into it. And, you know, it's whatever. It's just talk." And so the media's like, "Oh, Jerry Stackhouse, really professional answer about this altercation." They all walk away.
They're done. Everyone's done with media. Media's done. All right. Takes off his suit. Takes off the tie. Takes off the earrings. Puts on his practice gear. And goes down to the loading dock and waits for the guy by the bus.
So he only put on the suit to talk to the media?
Yes, because he's professional. Well, as soon as the media are gone, we're done. That's it. Clocking out. I'm by the bus. He's like, "Hey, buddy. You want to repeat what you said?" And they said the guy had to hide on the bus. And they had to talk Jerry Stackhouse down from kicking the ever-living bleep out of him.
I like that.
That's professionalism, sir.
I like it.
That's professionalism. Bam's a professional. He would never, ever, ever disrespect on the court in front of the cameras. Kids are watching. But I know where you're going. I know where you're going. Hold on.
He would never do that.
I know. Hold on.
He did exactly that.
That's a difference.
Kids were watching.
No.
He did it on a court.
No.
Cameras everywhere.
No.
NBA court.
There were teenagers. It was an AU.
Number one, it was AU. Number two, there were no cameras. No cameras. No cameras. Number three, not an NBA court. It was a ballroom at a hotel.
I think he should flinch at him in the pregame. He should just walk by him and be like, "See what happens."
A mean.
Look, you're not going to say Bam Adebayo is not one of the most professional guys in the league.
I'm going to say Bam Adebayo has something attributed to him that most players don't.
I think that's I don't know. Again, it was not in season. It was not on NBA premises. It wasn't on NBA time.
Well, I mean, it was.
You ran up on him in summer.
I will admit.
At a hotel in summer.
I will admit. It's the most shocking thing about him outside of the fact that he scored 83 points once.
I think it might be more shocking.
That he stuck Tyler Hero?
Like, a year ago this time.
When you consider who the victim is.
Hold on. A year ago this time. If I told you, "Mike, me and Doc Brown just came into the lawyer." "Mike, you'll never believe it. Delivery in." It's Bam. And he's like, "What's wrong?" Is he an asshole? Like, "No." Well, maybe. But he bunched Tyler Hero. And I say, "Yeah, and he scored 83 points in a game."
83 is the least likely.
You're like, "A mean shut up." Doc Brown, "Why did he punch Tyler Hero?"
He scored how much?
Yeah.
Who was he playing?
Who he played.
They must be really good, right?
What game was this?
It was an NBA game, Marty.
Man, the Heat are doing it again.
Ah, man. 83. That's a cool number.
Speaking of professionalism.
All right.
You see what's going on with Steph Curry?
Here we go. Yeah, I don't like it one bit.
You don't like what part?
I don't like that Steph Curry, like, the discourse got to a point where Steph Curry had to come out and give a statement.
So let's take a couple steps back, right?
The dumber things.
All right. So let's take a couple steps back.
Take them steps.
So Gilbert Arenas does his podcast. And Gilbert Arenas, are you friendly with him?
I'm friendly with Gilbert Arenas, yes.
And Gilbert Arenas, you'll correct me when I'm wrong, Gilbert Arenas is known to say things that are kind of out there on this show.
So.
He's a sir.
Gilbert Arenas, when he was still playing, I was like, "This guy could have been the best media person ever." But I said, "He's just too crazy. Like, he's just too outside the lines."
Yeah.
The media, he'll never be able to hold a job. And then, obviously, the media landscape changed very much when everyone began to have podcasts.
Yeah, he's starting his own thing.
Yeah.
You know, he can.
But that wasn't a thing 10, 15 years ago, right?
Right. So he says some pretty out-there things sometimes.
Yes. That's Gilbert.
And I guess Nick Young is also one of the cast members on Gilbert Arenas' show.
Yes.
And so I think this has been going on for a little bit now where these dudes are pretty comfortable just, you know, making fun of Ayesha Kurri, Steph Curry's wife. And I guess she's making her acting debut.
Not an acting debut. She was an actor before they were married.
Oh, okay. All right.
I keep telling people, it's like, "Yo, she's an actor by trade."
Okay. So she's got a new movie, I guess, that has come out. It's like a Hallmark-type movie.
It's a Hallmark movie.
Yeah. And so Ayesha Kurri is, you know, she's doing a movie or what have you. And Gilbert Arenas, you know, I guess, criticized her behavior, something to the effect of, you know, Steph Curry is like a perfect guy, perfect role model, that kind of thing. The Kurri family is perfect, except for the wife. You know, she doesn't really act like other NBA wives.
No, it's more like just like she's had these comments sometimes that I think are a little bit too revelatory what we would imagine, right, for Steph Curri, the Kurri family, right? So like, "Oh, Steph Curri likes feet." Like, why do I know that? I know that because his wife went on camera and a microphone and said that, right? So she's had, like, moments like that. And guys like Gilbert Arenas who represent what I think is the purest locker room reaction. Like, yes, there's a professionalism. Like, "Oh, no, no, we don't talk." But like, if you want to, guys talk, like, Gilbert Arenas is.
Lashaw McCoy's also said something on the matter.
Yeah.
It's gone to a point.
Emmanuel Ocho. Like, the big thing was, like, she's in this movie and it's like, "Oh, is she going to kiss a guy?" And I'm like, "Yeah, she's an actor, dude." And in a Hallmark movie.
I never understood all the, you know, to that effect, all the conversation around the movie Sinners with, what's her name, with Josh.
Hailey Steinfeld.
Hailey Steinfeld when she had, you know, it was an erotic scene, I guess, you know, with Michael B. Jordan. And I never understood the idea that, "Oh, my gosh, Josh Allen is an actor."
She's an actor.
They're going to clown him in the locker room. Like, first of all, I saw the scene. It's not that crazy. All right? And number two, she's an actress.
Yeah, that's her job. She's doing her job, you know? So, but anyways, they obviously, the jokes reached a certain level that became too loud to ignore. And so Steph Curri had to respond.
Nick, Gil, Emmanuel, and anybody else who feels the need to want to have to, you know, jump in and give an opinion on something you don't really know about, something that kind of speaks to a bigger conversation on how you view women in this world and what they're allowed and what they're not allowed to do. Even the ignorance behind how acting works. Obviously, I tried to laugh this one off, but, you know, something needs to be said.
And, you know, anytime Ayesha Kurri shows up in your headline, I, you know, kindly suggest you just give the, you know, the happy hands, the congratulations. And maybe, just maybe, you know, the apology can be as loud as, you know, y'all leading y'all shows with this topic, so.
I feel bad for him.
Well, to be.
He came off pretty good.
To be, yeah, he came off great. He came off so great that Gilbert Arenas, who I've never heard apologize before, him and Nick Young both apologized on Gil's Arena. So, like, the message was read. And again, it was like.
Hey, Gilbert kind of did like, "I'm sorry, but."
Yeah.
Nick Young apologized.
Yeah, he did do that. But I've never heard Gilbert say, "I'm sorry."
Yeah.
Like, that's already a massive step. I know it's like, it's the qualified apology.
Nick Young gave a pretty good apology.
Yeah, for sure.
Like, you know, I was wrong. You're my guy.
But, and then Nick blamed Gilbert. Like, "See, I was getting in trouble because of you," which is kind of true. Gilbert always gets Nick Young in trouble. But I do want to.
I felt bad for Steph.
I do want to reserve one little square of, like, so no one calls me a hypocrite. Steph, what you said was powerful. And I definitely send a strong message, not just to the people listening, but everyone, about how we should think about our significant others and women in society, for sure. Having said that, she did make a movie that seems like it's going to qualify for cinephobe. And I just want to let you know there's nothing to do with anything like that that you're fighting against.
It is.
I'm just letting you know it's all about the performance. And we do critique the performance. And her performance might be critiqued.
Ah.
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I thought we dropped Hiding the Lead. When a brother with three gray shirts make a video talking to you, I think you should be very afraid. And I think that's what happened. Why has he got on three gray shirts at once?
Can I see it? Can I see it still, please? I don't remember what he's wearing. Hold on. He's wearing three gray shirts?
Three of them. Count them three.
Oh, yeah. No, I see it. I see it. Hold on. Don't leave it right there. You've got the first collar there. And then you look to the side. There's a second collar. And then a third collar. Maybe that one is a double-collared shirt. Could that be? Could it be that, that it was like that one right there, that inside one is just a seam on top of the other one? That he's wearing two shirts? It's a lot of gray shirts. I'll give you that much. That's a lot of gray shirts. Where are they? They're in Houston. It's not even that cold. Why are you wearing that many gray shirts?
See what I'm saying? I would apologize too. Nah, what you got going on, bro? I'm sorry.
I got to tell you, she's been in a lot of films.
That's what I'm telling everybody. Everyone's like, "How could she do that?" I'm like, "She's an actor."
Shibela. This is as bad bunny as he sounded. Shibela.
She was in Hannah, Montana.
Yep.
She was in Ballers.
Shibela.
She was in Empire.
Shibela. Don't get me wrong. I think these are all either pre-marriage or very early.
I mean, when do you think they got? Oh, yeah. Probably, probably, because some of these started as soon as '09.
Yeah, no, this is more than a lot. This is before she got married.
Who are you doing there?
I think I might be doing Sean DePaul now.
Oh, wow.
Shibela.
This movie she's in now is called.
Dot the F.
Second Chance Holiday. Dating Expert Chelsea, I assume it's played by Ayesha.
Dot the F.
Dating Expert Chelsea is determined to break her so-called curse of always getting dumped during the holiday season. I hope she finds love.
So Dot the Love.
And I got to say.
Just give me a lie.
I don't know who you're trying to do there.
If someone's got a flashlight, it's dark.
Just.
You want them to just hand you the light and you say, what do you say?
Just give me the light.
I mean.
Just give me the light.
Why are you talking like that?
Why are you talking like that?
That's cap.
So, you know, there's no more, there's not supposed to be any more tanking in the NBA, right? They have the new rules now where the bottom three teams, they essentially get relegated, all right? And it does feel like in the NBA this year that teams are trying. It does feel like every night, not you're playing good teams every night, but every night, like, competitive games. And that's great. But I'll tell you, while we're only 11, 12 games into the season, I can't remember another season where you have four teams right now who only have one win.
The Bulls are one in nine. The Bucks are one in 11, we just said.
Yeah.
The Kings are one in 10. The Jazz, who the Heat beat a couple nights ago, are one in 11. Four teams in the league right now are combined 4 and 41. Now, by the way, there's also a two-win Clipper team. But we have four one-win teams. I mean, like, I don't think I've ever seen that before.
Well, well, well, look who's arrived on Ameen Island. The man who told you we don't need tanking rules. We don't need specific rules to stop tanking because, for the most part, the play-in tournament has saved us from a lot of that. Now, in years like last year, where you have a great draft class, and by the way, look at how many rookies are playing great. Turns out all those tanking teams were right to tank because you want those players. But absent a great draft class like that, we really hadn't seen the egregious tanking that we had seen maybe 10, 15 years ago, right?
So what I said was this, and I'll talk about this more today on SiriusXM NBA Radio from 1:00 p.m. to 2:00 p.m. Eastern on Deals and Dunks, me and Jake Fisher, wherever you get SiriusXM, 86 in the car or on the SXM app. All right, let me, can I do the, can I do my plug? Sorry.
Just give them a lie.
If.
That's cap.
This year's performance, all these teams that are performing just as they did regularly, same way they are now, but we hadn't made those rule changes, how many people would have been crying about, "Oh, my God, the Bucks are tanking, the Jazz are tanking, the Kings are tanking." And what I was yelling to the heavens is, yes, sometimes teams are tanking. And sometimes they just plain suck. They stink. They're garbage.
Which is not going to happen.
That's not their fault. That's what we're getting. But that's what we've done a lot of these years. When you say a team is tanking, you're actually giving them credit for being like, "No, no, I meant to do that." No, you didn't. You thought you were going to be good, and you turned out to be trash.
Well, yeah, like Utah, I think, thought they were going to be good. Now they're dealing with injuries. Jackson, Marvin.
That's not why they're trash. Yes, they are dealing with injuries, but they're also not good, even if they were healthy.
But they didn't think they were going to be one in 11.
They'd have more than one win. They wouldn't be good. That's my point.
Sacramento, I think everybody saw coming.
Well, Benson Wood.
Milwaukee, everybody saw coming.
Oh, wait, the culture is different.
Chicago, everybody saw coming.
Oh, no, Kill Bill Booze is really good.
But man, four one-win teams? It's dreadful.
And the Clippers, the Clippers have dedicated 50% of their victories to Steve Ballmer. Remember that one?
And you know who turned it around, though? Like you said, you like when players return.
I love that.
Damian Lillard, bro.
Yeah, cool moment.
Portland, they are going up right now.
What a cool moment. What an interesting game. What a, this Trailblazers franchise is just pretty fascinating.
Well, and they've been winning lately without Morantz, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's been hurt.
They may want to trade him.
He's been, well.
Hey, that Damian Lillard, guys, is good. Miami should try to get him.
Well, here's the fun part. How long is it going to take for their owner to ruin it all?
Well, okay, so I was thinking about that this morning as well, because they just, they're 8 and 3. They just beat the Thunder in back-to-back games. They hired Mike Anori as their head coach.
Yeah, great coach.
And that Cheapskate, Tom Dundin, the new owner, gave him a one-year deal.
Gave him the worst deal in the history of NBA coaching.
Insulting.
Yeah, one year. And it wasn't, like the money wasn't even like, "Oh, we'll give you one minute, seven mil." No, it wasn't like that. It was a very, very, very frugal. He's the lowest paid coach per annum. Lorry. And also the lowest paid coach for a total contract because it's only one year.
And they probably should have kept Thiago Splitter, who did a nice enough job last year, but at least Thiago Splitter, he was the interim because Chauncey Billups, they went out and hired a guy and gave him one year.
A one-year deal. But again, like, I know Mike Anori a little bit, and he's a really good coach. And I was like, "That's awful. You shouldn't take that job." But then it was like, there's only 30 of these.
Right. It's one out of 30.
I haven't proven I'm good. And also, it's like, this team actually has talent, right? Because they had already been to the playoffs. Most of the time, you're going on an awful team, and you got to start from the bottom, and everyone's like, "Oh, why is your record so bad?" It's like, "Well, I have to fix everything."
As well as, I think, before the trade deadline, if they make an aggressive move, that will propel them. Because I think somebody in Washington right now, a big man in Washington.
Talk to me.
Is bored as hell, and he needs somewhere to win.
Well, there was a point guard in Washington who, before the season, let us all know they were going to be going for home court advantage and like 50-plus wins. I don't see that in their future when I look at their games.
Nope.
And the big fella, as you said, they want to really be there to begin with.
They got three minutes for.
I love the Damian Lillard stuff. I love when a player goes back to a team. We saw it yesterday with Kirk Cousins reporting back to the Minnesota Vikings.
You like that?
I do. Like, I'm going to root for the Vikings now in what's probably the best division. I know what you did, which is probably the best division in football, that NFC North. Like, I love the idea of Damian Lillard back in playoff games in Portland.
Oh, that'd be so cool.
And Kirk Cousins in playoff games, potentially.
Oh, that'd be so cool.
With the Minnesota Vikings.
It's all cool, man. I really like, you know what? I don't care if someone's been there before. I do like the idea of, like, we looked like our season was going one way. And then we got this guy, and like, now everything's changed. It's a Disney movie, right? Every Disney movie is, "The team sucks." But then like, here comes this coach, or here comes this player, and everything changes. And all of a sudden, now we're a good team. Teen Wolf, Teen Wolf, right? They were an awful team. And then Michael J. Fox became a black guy. And then they became awesome. Like, that's a fun story. Everyone likes to follow along, especially all the racial stereotypes that happen in the world.
Like Rodney Dangerfield and the crew in, what was it? Ladybugs.
Back to school. Oh, Ladybugs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They put the brother on the team.
I thought you were talking about Back to School when he got on the diving team or whatever.
Is Ladybugs the one where the girl pretends to be a boy?
Right.
I think it's the boy pretends to be a girl.
There's a lot in that movie.
Ladybugs.
You should just.
No, the girl pretends to be a boy. She's the man. That's what the man defines.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's the one Juju's thinking about?
Ladybugs.
Oh, that is Ladybugs.
No. Different. You asked what movie has a girl that pretends to be a guy. I said, that one, she's the man what the man defines. Juju's talking about Ladybugs, the one with Rodney Dangerfield. Do you know about Rodney Dangerfield?
Yeah.
Yeah?
Yeah.
Name a movie.
Old School.
Rodney Dangerfield?
Rodney Dangerfield.
Is that not what that movie was called?
Old School?
Summer School?
Yes.
No, wait.
Summer School. Back to School.
Back to School. Back to School.
Who fed you the line? Was it Lewis? Don't worry about that. You knew what I meant.
No, I didn't.
I didn't. I was confused.
Old School got Will Ferrell in it.
No, I'm not talking about that movie.
Well, I was thinking, like, where was Rodney Dangerfield in Old School?
No, Back to School.
I remember seeing Ladybugs in the theater. That's how old I am. We don't talk.
In the theater?
That's how old you are.
I've never heard of this movie before.
No, what did he do?
Ladybugs?
I have no idea what that is.
Brother, they're 20th CB.
Yeah.
Very.
20th CB.
Very 20th CB.
Let me look it up. Let me look it up.
Very.
Have you ever heard of Rodney Dangerfield?
Do you know who Jonathan Brandis is?
Yes.
Yes.
I love that, like, that was the first movie you thought of when it came to Rodney Dangerfield.
Yeah, Back to School. I loved that as a kid.
There might be a more.
So much that you didn't know the name.
I mean, there's Caddyshack.
Yeah, I could've went with Caddyshack.
That's what I'm saying.
All right.
You would've went with Caddyshack to let us know Old School was the movie you were thinking about.
All right.
Whatever. Ladybugs. Who cares? That's the last time you thought of that movie.
Today, when Juju said it.
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