Transcript of The Hockey Show: Keeping One Eye On Milan

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It's Halloween, and the Panthers are off to a scary start.

Derrick Druck is a goal tender for the Detroit Rent Wings.

Ethan is a Power Ranger, and Rosie is on a plane on her way to Columbus, Ohio, with Lucy. I'm Roy Bellamy.

I did not dress him.

That's not him, really. I did not dress him.

Thank you.

You look like a podcast host.

He can't breathe in that. Ethan cannot breathe in that mask. I can't believe in this mask. This is ridiculous. Yeah, this is The Hockey Show. You can find us on YouTube. Please follow us there at The Hockey Show DLS. We got TikTok, The Hockey Show 7, and on X Instagram, and threads @hockeyshowdls. Frozen frenzy was Tuesday. All 32 teams played that 16 games, ladies and gentlemen. That's a lot of games. And we saw two hat tricks by Conor Bedard and Victor Olofsen, respectively. Now, I got some stats here for you. The first goal of the night was scored at 6: 14 PM Eastern by Morgan Frost. The last goal of the night was scored by Brent Clark at 1: 29 AM Eastern. There's 100 goals in total. All the goal tenders collectively had 769 saves on 876 shots on goal. You say that with a mask on. How am I going to have a straight face after that?

You're not supposed to.

Okay, well, there you go. That's why I'm wearing the mask. By my calculations, that It would mean that there were two empty net goals on Tuesday. That's it. That's math. Yeah, that's math. 44 high danger goals, four of those by Tampa. All the skaters skated a collective 1,464 miles. Four of Miles was skated by Eric Coulson. And it was Jackalco's birthday who scored two goals and earned an assist. It was a good day of hockey on Tuesday. Guys, what were your takeaways from frozen frenzy?

My takeaway is that you made me place a bet that had me very excited for about 10 minutes. Roy texted me on frozen frenzy. He's like, Hey, we should do a six-team leg parlay on every game. It did not work. Did not work out very well.

No, it was bad.

It would have been cool to turn $2 into, what was it, $13,000 or whatever it was?

I think for me, because I ended up spending $5 because I'm used to doing $5. I forgot to do $2. You said $2. I said $2, and I forgot already. It would have been 93,000. Dude. Yeah, it would have been ridiculous. Ethan, what was your takeaway for Tuesday?

I was at the Panther game that night, so I missed a lot of it, but I got home and watched some of the back-end of the later games. Conor Bedard is really good. I want to talk about him more a little later in my Wins and Fails of the Week, but he's really good. The Blackhawks are exciting. The Wilder in a bad way right now, man. I was really excited about the Minnesota Wild, and they are struggling hard right now. I think they've lost four straight at home, and they had a good start, and they were scoring a ton of goals. And since the power play goals have dried up, their five on five scoring has been nowhere to be seen. So that's certainly something to watch. But who's also really fun is the team the Panthers played that night. We'll talk about it more in the Panthers Den later. It's the Anaheim Ducks. I really like watching that team play hockey. So it was a great night overall. I think there's a couple of things the ESPN needs to clean up in terms of the broadcast aspect. But it's exciting to have 16 games on all throughout the night, and staggered starts is the biggest thing.

That's a great thing for the NHL.

You mentioned the Black Hawks in the Wild, looking at the standings in the central division. The Black Hawks have 12 points. They're fifth in the division right now, which is very surprising because they're supposed to be dead last. So that's good for them. But the Wild at nine points, only one in three games. They have three losses in overtime. Very surprising, especially after the contract that they levied on Caprizov. So, yeah, build around them, I guess, right?

Ideally, can they?

Maybe. Can't they afford to?

I mean, they have- That's not great for them either. So I think Minnesota is probably going to figure it out.

They have a really good roster. And last year, they went really hot in the first half and then struggled in the second half. It's still only... They've played 11 or 12 games. There's still so much of the season to go, 70 games to go. But you definitely have to be concerned if you're Minnesota because they're already seven points out of the top three in the division. And we know this division is going to be brutal. And Utah has really improved, and Colorado is always really good, and Winnipeg is always really good, and Dallas is right there. It's going to be an uphill climb for them to get back into this playoff race for sure.

A few contracts were signed this week. Logan Cooley signed a eight-year, $80 million contract extension with Utah. Thomas Hawley signed a eight-year, $84. 7 million contract with Dallas, and Morton Natches signed a eight-year extension with the Avalanche worth $92 million. What do these signings mean to these clubs, respectively?

I think they're all looking at them like some playoff solidifying moves right now. I mean, Utah is off to an amazing start. It's what? The Tusty effect. Ever since they introduced their new mastod, they've only lost one game, I believe. Loading and Cruly has been spectacular for them. So obviously, they're really happy with getting that. The Nietzsche deal is something I think we've been expecting for a while. Colorado continues to solidify their depth, and they're looking like they're going to be another great team. And then Dallas, an under the radar type move as I keep bumping into the mic with my goalie helmet here. I apologize. Dallas is one of those teams, man, that the last few... Stop laughing at me. I'm sorry.

It's the neck guard.

It's called the Dangler. Thank you.

I can't stop laughing at you, David. It's really funny.

It's dangling, all right.

I love the Thomas Harley signing just because Dallas It's just a sneaky good depth team. And his analytics numbers, particularly, have been pretty good the last couple of seasons. So I'm excited, man. I'm excited to get to the playoffs, but it's still frigging October.

I was listening to what chaos on the way into today, and they were talking about how the have done since the Rantan deal. Now this ends the Rantan saga, right? They locked up Marty Natchis to a deal that I think it's what, 11. 6, so just less than they would have paid Rantan. I think they did about as well as they could have to make up for that loss. They have basically decided this guy has replaced Rantan on Nathan McKinnon's line. We love the the pairing that they are, the chemistry that they have. He's only 26 years old. He can still get better. He's a very good player, and he's been super productive for them so far. That line has been on fire. I think it's a really good signing for them in terms of, okay, we might have messed up getting rid of Rantan. We probably should have kept him around at that $12 million number, but we did about as well as we could to make up for the loss.

The NHL. Com has posted its roster projections for the Winter Olympics. We're going to focus on Canada and the United States. Let's start with Canada. At Ford, they have Sam Bennett, Anthony Soreli, Sydney Crosby, Brandon Hagle, Nathan McKinnon, Grant Monchand, Rich Warner, Connor McDavid, Braden Point, Sam Reinhardt, Mark Shifley, Mark Stone, and nick Zuzuki, as well as Tom Wilson. Mark Stone is injured right now. On defense, Drew Dauety, Thomas Hawley, who just got his contract, Keel McCart, Josh Morris, Cohn-Pareko, Travis Sandheim, Shane Theodore, and Devon Tays, and Annette, Jordan Bennington, Aiden Hill, and Logan Thompson. How do we feel about these projections?

I feel there's one name missing that's going to become more and more obvious as the season goes on, and that's Maclin Cellebrini. He is playing otherworldly right now, considering how young he is and how amazing He's playing all 200 feet of the ice. So I would be really surprised if he continues that he doesn't find his way onto that roster. But otherwise, scary. Canada is going to be good.

Always. We know where the advantage will lie when we take a look at the Americans, and that's in net. What about Conor Bedard, guys? You think he could be a candidate to sneak in the way he's been playing as well? That's the future of your team. Don't you want to bring one of those guys at least so that you can get that Olympic experience out of the way at such a young age? Know what you're going into when you're going to be a leader of the team come What would that be? 30 and then 34, which we expect the NHL players will continue in the Olympics for the next two, at least. I think it would be really smart for Team Canada to take either of these guys. We can talk about a couple of guys the Americans can take on the younger side as well to get them that experience and get them ready to be the leaders of the team down the road.

But that's what the World Championships and those tournaments are for, is for getting these guys acclimated to the international play and their US teammates or their international teammates and all that. I don't know if you want to go to the Olympics, which is the top of the top of the top. It's a good point. And be trying to usher guys along. Maybe, but I feel like whoever they bring to Italy are going to be the people that this is who we're going to win gold with now, not so much worrying about four years from now. It's a good point.

For the United States at Ford, we got Matt Boldy, Kyle O'Connor, Jack Eichel, Jake Gensel, Jack Hughes, Clayton Keller, Dylan Larkin, Austin Matthews, JT Miller, Patrick Cain, Matthew Nize, Bradley Kchuck, Matthew K'Chuck, and Tate Thompson. Defense, Brock Faber, Adam Fox, Noah Hanifin, Quinn Hughes, Charlie McAvoy, Jake Sanderson, Jacob Slaven, and Zack Wrenske. And in net, Conor Halebuck, Jake Oettinger, Jeremy Wyman. Now, keep in mind, both of the K'Chucks are both on the pre-limb roster. These are projections. What do you think about this projection for the United States?

Where's Frank Nizarr?

That was the name I was going to bring up. This is the same situation as Maclin Cellebrini.

Maybe they'll look at it some more.

Logan Cooley. There's so much... God, I cannot stop hitting this microphone. There's so much good young talent that's really blossoming before our eyes so far this season. I'm really excited to see how it plays out. But I think US and Canada, it's going to be such a fun tournament. But I know, to Ethan's point, the more I think about it, the more I want to see those young guys, those exciting players, they're going to be full of passion and piss and vintage and all that. That would be fun. So yeah, I'm coming around.

The guy to me that's left off here that should be on is Cole Caulfield. We saw the scoring dry up for the Americans in the Four Nations, specifically in the final. He needed a guy that could finish, score a big in a big moment. Cole Caulfield just broke the record for most overtime goals by a Montreal Canadian a few weeks ago, or a few days ago, excuse me. All he does now is score overtime goals. He's been spectacular start this season, and he was one of those guys right on the edge of the roster last year that missed out that a lot of people were questioning, Why is Chris Kreider there over? I totally just blanked. It was a long night. It was a long night.

We were at a- Cole Caulfield.

Cole Caulfield. Thank you.

One of seven players, by the way, that's leading the NHL with nine goals.

Yeah, he's been fantastic this year, and I think he's going to make himself undeniable at some point this year if he just keeps scoring. They're going to need scoring from their bottom forwards. I know that they're going to want to match up with Canada, and we know the type of game that Canada is going to try and play in the Olympics. But at some point, you got to play your game and you got to bring your best players. It's the Olympics. You got to bring your best players. And I think that Cole Caulfield right now, if you give me four lines of forwards, 12 Americans, I can't put 12 over Cole Caulfield right now.

We were at a watch party last night for Ravens, dolphins, and the reason why he is so tired is because he showed his nipple.

Dude.

Why do we have to go there, man? I was in a costume. I was in a morph suit. I should fire a picture. I don't have a picture. I was in a morphsuit. Mining both for Power Rangers. I was in a Power Ranger. It was my costume always when I was a kid. I had a dream a few months ago. I'm like, I'm going to be a Power Ranger. I didn't think It's not the feasibility of a morph suit. It's not the most feasible thing for eating, going to the bathroom. You got to do what you got to do. I had to get my arm free, and there I was sitting at Flanegan's in West Kendall. Great night, by the way. Thank you to everybody that made it a great night and came and hang out.

Yeah, that is not your fault. That suit was just not...

It was a nightmare. It was a nightmare. I got to wear it tonight again, and I'm dreading it. I'm just like, Oh, this is why I don't like Halloween, right?

This is a last-minute costume switch. That's It just seems unfeasible. But you got to prepare, man. Thank you to the Flaneck and Millalight and DraftKings, by the way, for that event last night. That was wonderful. That was great. It's time for Puckluck, brought to you by DraftKings. Draftkings, the Crown is yours. David.

Roy.

Yes.

Yes. I have a new weekly parlay for our Puck luck for the Friday night slate. Not a big one, but some good stuff. First off, it's a three-leg parlay, so Roy is not going to be very interested. In The Islanders at Capitals game.

Not enough legs, man.

No. We have two legs coming from the Islanders at Capitals. First off, I'm going to take the Capitals on the Puck line minus one and a half. The Islanders have lost three straight all on the road, allowing 14 goals during that three games. They're going to be playing their third game in four nights, and they're playing a pissed off capital squad that just lost a tough game in Dallas and has had three days to stew on it. In that game, I'm taking Jacob Chickering over two and a half shots on goal. He's hit that number in six of his seven games this year, averaging three and a half shots during that span. The Islanders allow the 11th most shots per game in the NHL at 29. 9, and the Capitals have the 12th most shots in the NHL at 29. 1. Final leg, Detroit at Anaheim. I want the Red Wings money line. The John Gibson revenge game, as you see, I'm dressed for, is on. He's won each of Detroit's last two games and four of his six starts this season, and the odds on that parlay are plus 620. So go make yourself some money and have yourself a good Halloween weekend.

Yeah, man. I'm glad that we're doing this because usually, at least for against the spread, my bets have been hidden. So yes, hopefully we will make you guys money. Thank you, the DraftKings, for providing us an opportunity to show our lack of knowledge on the gambling aspect of this sport. So now it is time for Rosa in Un Minuto. She is, again, on a flight to Columbus, Ohio, but she was nice enough to actually record a video. And she has a, I believe it's a Vancouver Canux that she is talking about this week. So here is Rose and Rosa in Un Minuto.

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Jonathan Quick, and the Rangers, they left them in white, 2-0 with Quick, empatting Lubensky in shot outs, historical.

But the Canoxs ran the week with artificial fires. Sherwood went back to explode with hat-tricks, and the Bulls got the victory in shoot outs 4-3 on the San Luis. So Vancouver ends with two wins, two losses, and Sherwood is in the area, inesperado, putting 5-11 goals this week. And if Huyus comes back soon, cuidado with the Canoxs. This was a minute of Hockey with Rose, a week full of three goals and orcas that came out of the house.

That's funny. She went so low on that, trying not to disturb people in that terminal that she just under her breath. Because as you know, Rose can be loud, but that's the situation over there. Safe flight, Rose. All right. That was Rosa in un minuto, as I cannot speak Spanish because I've been living here all my life in Miami. Still, you don't know how to speak Spanish. It's ridiculous. But anyway, it's time for Rose in a minute. And since Rose is not here, we have Ethan.

I'm on the sticks, boys. All right, here we go.

Three, two, one. Stop saying that.

I'm going to go win the beat drops. Got to set it up a little. All right, here we go. Three. Hey, kids. This is One Minute Hockey with Rose. Today, we're heading to Vancouver. The Knucks started off rough. They lost 4-3 to Montreal, even though Elias Petterson did it all. One goal and two assists. But the Canadians came back with three straight goals. The next day, redemption. Kiefer Sherwood scored twice, including the overtime winner to beat Edminton 4-3. And that's without their captain, Quinn Hughes, who's out injured. Then came the nightmare. Jonathan Quick and the Rangers shut them out 2-0 with quick tying Lundquist for career shutouts. But the Knucks closed the week with fireworks. Sherwood exploded again with a hat-trick, and De Bruyce sealed a 4-3 shootout win over St. Louis. So Vancouver ends the week with two wins, two losses, and Sherwood becoming the unexpected hero, scoring five of their last 11 goals this week. And if Hughes comes back soon, watch out for these canoeks. This was one Minute of Hockey with Rose, read by Ethan, a week full of hat tricks, and the killer whales went on a hunt. We love you, Rosie.

We miss you.

Nicely done. That was good.

We do a stupid show, man.

We sure do, Roy. We sure do.

All right, it's time for Wins and Fails brought to you by Jägermeister. Serve it cold or don't serve it at all. Jägermeister, damn. That's cold. For more, log on to jägermeister. Com. Please drink responsibly. David, what is your win?

My win of the week, we're going to Nashville. We don't spend a lot of time in Nashville, but they broke out a new feature on their Jumbotron that can only be effective in very specific home games. They broke out the Florida Man cam, and they were targeting all these lightning fans. It was Predators versus Lightning. And they had Florida Man jumps out of the water to scare an alligator. Florida Man uses a Python to win a tug of war with a croc. You know all this stupid shit that we do here in Florida, that we get all these Florida Man headlines. The Predators decided to put that on their Jumbotron. I think that's brilliant. I absolutely love it. I love seeing all these clue Who is Lightning fans up there with no idea why they're being featured and inserted in Florida Man ways. So this, for me, was 10 out of 10. This was a great job by Nashville.

Yeah, that's funny. My Win of the Week makes a lot of sense today as it's Halloween because we have a kid dressed up as a Matthew you, K'Chuck trading card. Take a look at this. You have this kid himself with a haircut that's style like Matthew Kchuck. That's spectacular. He's wearing a Panthers uniform with K'Chuck's number and name. He's inside of a box with a front and back. Looks like the front and back of a trading card. It's a fantastic costume. A shout out to him and his parents for getting that done. I hope he has a lot of candy tonight. That's awesome.

That's one of the best costumes I've seen. Yeah.

Ethan, what's your win?

Yeah. So we mentioned this guy earlier, and I I said I would get to him eventually. Conor Bedard, we mentioned the hat trick. You got to see it to believe it. This was really an impressive set of goals. First, he's going to get this pass from Thiebu Taravan, an epic snipe right there up top, over the shoulder of Linus Olmark. And then watch this goal There's a sprint there. Threw five guys. Nasty release for the shot and a goal there. And then this one-off the face off is just beautiful. Pinpoint accuracy. We knew that Bedard has a nasty release. We're finally really starting to see it. Everything looks better in Chicago this year. Everything better around him. Shout out to my boy Alex Smith. He's been telling me all offseason about the fact that the Blackhawks are coming this year, and Bedard, this is the year. His first career hat trick. He's got 14 points already on the season. It looks like this is the Connor Bedard year. It's going to be really exciting because this is a player I've been waiting to break out for since he came in the lead.

Yeah, that second goal, that was definitely a goal scored by a guy named Connor.

The third goal, it just blows me away the way that he to change his shot angles. No matter where he is on the ice, no matter who's in front of him, he has this way to change his shot angle from where he's releasing his stick from and still makes it incredibly accurate and ridiculous. I'm with you, Ethan. I'm very excited to see what the future has to hold for old CB up in Chicago.

All right, it's time for a fail. Let's go ahead, David.

This is about as fail as a hockey fail can get. It happened in the AHL. Walker Duher of the Manitoba Moose was bearing down, ready to seal the game with an empty net staring at him. Would have put the moose up by two against the Tucson Roadrunners. Here he comes on a breakaway. How did he miss that? Oh, no. How did he miss that? Fortunately for our boy Walker, it didn't become a Patrick Steffen situation. Who missed the empty net against the oilers, back when he was with the stars, and then Edmondson tied the game, and it's been a very memeable situation. But still, that is about as fail as a hockey fail can get.

I wish that Ray Ferrero was on that call because he probably would have been very angry in this situation. He would have had some thoughts.

Is there an unwritten rule about just walking the fuck into the net? Is it not courtesy to just... Why does he even need to put up a shot there? Just dump it into the net. Just make sure it goes in.

Keep in mind what happened last year with the Maple leaves and the senators.

The only rule is don't take a slap shot.

Don't take a slap shot on an empty net. That was badass, man. I love that. I can't even lie. That was great.

My fellow of the Week goes to Ethan Frank of the Washington Capitals as he learns the hard way in trying to check Miko Rantanin. It's a tough, tough thing to do because he got hurt. He had a full head of steam trying to check a guy whose nickname is Moose. That is a tough thing to do.

He ran into a brick wall.

It's a great reverse hit, man.

It wasn't even a reverse hit. He just stood there. Miko Rantanin just stood there. Unbelievable.

So, yeah. He bounced right off of him.

So, yeah, that was a brick wall, and he got hurt, and he ended up going into the locker room, learned the hallway, Don't check a guy named Moose. Ethan, what's your fail?

All right, this comes from the Vancouver-St. Louis game last night. It's been a rough go for St. Louis to start the year. So far, their goal-tuning situation is a nightmare. And they were in a shootout last night with Vancouver. Here comes Braden Shin, and he just biffs it completely. Just totally loses the buck right Off of his stick. Jim Montgomery looking ever like a guy who's going to be fired soon as he always seems to... Even when he's doing well, he still looks like a coach that's going to lose his job sometime soon. That's just a brutal break for Braden Shin there. And like I said, guys, the Blues, they can't get a save. Joel Hofer is under 800 right now, I'm pretty sure, in a save percentage. Bennington hasn't been the guy that we expected to go back to the Olympic rosters, Roy. What is Canada going to do in net? That's where the clear advantage is going to be for the United States.

Bennington was spectacular at the Four Nations, so they may be- Always is in big games, man.

It's crazy.

David, you are angry about something, and it's not because you are hot in that uniform. That was your choice, by the way. What are you angry It is so frigging warm.

I'm used to wearing this stuff on the ice where it's nice and cool. In a studio with these lights is killing me. But no, that's not my... I wouldn't say it's a rant. It's just something that I've been thinking about over the last couple of days that I wanted to throw out to you guys. There's a lot of players whose numbers aren't retired who I'm shocked by. In Philly, how have they not retired number 10 for John LeClerc or number 8 for Mark Racky? Peter Bondra, you think his number should be retired in Washington? Because it ain't.

Wow.

How about Detroit? In this one, I feel like we can all agree. Number 13, nobody should ever wear that number for Detroit again. That's why they'll that suit. Number 40, nobody should ever wear that number for Detroit again. Henry Zetterberg. What are we doing?

They seem to take a long time to retire numbers because isn't everybody saying that Fedarov who's coming in this year has been long overdue? Are Dotsuk and Zetrberg both in the Hall of Fame already? Have they both- Wait, what's the criteria for getting your number?

Is it like a Hall of Fame?

No, what I'm saying is, shouldn't your number be retired before you go into the Hall of Fame? As a team, you should honor the guy before he even goes into the Hall of Fame, right? The team honors you and then the league honors you. Sometimes they line it up like, Charra is getting his number retired this year, right? And he's going in the Hall of Fame this year. Are Dotsuk and Zetabur in?

Charra is getting his number. What about Patrice Bergeron?

When does he go in? He goes in next year, probably, right? It's three years in the NHL?

I I don't want them to be correlated. I don't think they should be. To your point, I feel like it should just be like if the guy retires, like in Anaheim. Ryan Gatzlach, maybe the most, other than like, Korea and Solani. But of this generation, Ryan Gatzlach was so important in Anaheim. Why isn't his number in the rafters? Don't get me started on John, Sebastian, Jaider.

Yeah, he definitely should have his number in there.

This is just the thing that it surprises me, and it's a team to team thing. Even down here in South Florida, they only have one player's number retired.

I I was going to say, how do you guys feel about Bourre, should- It was a great couple of seasons, but it was only two or three seasons, right?

Yeah. And the playoffs.

Yeah. The guys that numbers are going to be retired are the guys that are on the team now. Of course. Bartov's number will be retired. Maybe Bob.

Reinhardt. Bob is going to be retired. Two-time goalie on the Stanley Cup champions.

They're going to be with the team for a decade. Whereas the guys you would originally think of for the Panthers, like the Scott Melenbees or even the Billy Lindsay's or John Van Biesbrook. They were very important to the team, but not for a very long period of time. That's, I guess, the line of demarcation for me. But these guys that I'm talking about, they were significant, significant for their franchises for years upon years upon years. Give them some love.

Question for you guys. As people who grew up, hockey fans in that era saw the '96s run, right? That was before I was born. Just rub it in. Now that they've won and now that the franchise has a ton of success, would you like to see them go back and honor? I mean, I know Van Biesbrook can't do that one, but would you like to see them go back and maybe retire a '27 or an '11 for Billy Lindsay to honor, this is where we came from and now we're here and winning?

I don't know about retiring the numbers, but what they could do is do a ring of honor type situation, like what they've done. A lot of other teams, not even Van Biesbrook.

They had the dinner of honor. Or had the dinner of honor.

Yeah, that's a goneer now, right?

I'm talking about something that's on the inner bowl of the arena where you can see the players' names, like the Dolphins at the Hard Rock Stadium. They have probably 20 players.

Remember, they get the ribbon board now on both tiers.

Yeah, but that's fine. Put it up there digital. I don't care. Save yourself some money. I'm just saying that's a good workaround for it. Because even the dolphins, the dolphins have been around for 50 some odd years, and the first half of them were pretty good. They've only got three retired numbers.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, of course, when you have somebody like a Dan Marino.

Marino, Driesi, and Zanca, three of the best.

Yeah. But yeah, having a Ring of Honor is a good idea, although I would probably have to say it's probably going to have to be one section of somewhere in the arena, probably in a concourse.

You got to start somewhere.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's true. We have Cassie Campbell-Pascal of ESPN. She is an NHL analyst. She does NHL games for ESPN. And we're going to talk to her about what's going on in the league coming up here. If you're on DPN, you can watch that on YouTube. Coming up next, Cassie Campbell-Pascal on The Hockey Show.

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Cassie Campbell-Pascal is with us. She works for ESPN. She is an NHL analyst. She does games for them, and we are very honored for her to join I mean, she's a gold medalist. She is. Yeah, and we got the Olympics coming up, and we're going to talk about that with her. But first, we cover the Florida Panthers down here, and the two-time Defender Champions have had this season start off very, very roughly They have some adversity with injuries to Alexander Balkoff, Mati Kachuk, Tomas Nosik, and Dimitri Kulikoff. Do you think this adversity is going to be too much for them, or do you believe that they will straighten out the ship once the regular season ends?

Yeah, well, I think to three-peat is going to be an incredible accomplishment for them and something that's going to be difficult regardless who they don't have in the lineup or who they do have in the lineup. But I think losing Barcov in particular and what he does for that team and the organization, not only on the ice, but I think off the ice is going to be something difficult to overcome. But we've seen the teams that have gone to the Stanley Cup final over the last couple of seasons have had slow starts. And I still think the Florida Panthers have a great team. They have a lot of depth and a lot of character. I think their regular season isn't necessarily going to be indicative of what we would see from them in the playoffs. And as they get healthier over the year, that's for sure. But it's no surprise that the teams that have gone to the Stanley Cup finals haven't necessarily had the start that they wanted, and then injuries compound that even more. I still am a big believer in the Florida Panthers doing some damage in the playoffs when they get that opportunity.

But it's difficult to overcome the injury of their captain for sure.

The New York Islanders are dead last in the Eastern Conference right now. During frozen frenzy on Tuesday, the Islanders had a two-goal lead against the Boston Bruins, and they allowed the Bruins to score five unanswered goals, and they lost. On Thursday, Matheo Bazaal was a healthy scratch in the 6-2 loss to the Carolina Hurricanes after he showed up late to the morning skate, and Patrick Rahe said, That's the culture of our team. What is going on in New York right now? And can I blame Tony DiAngelo like I have been for the past two seasons?

I'm not sure what the New York Islanders are. And I haven't been sure for a few years now What type of identity that that team has. And I'm a big believer in Patrick Waal, and he's old school. And we saw it, I think it was last year, Kevin Fiala for the LA Kings, similar thing where he was late for a meeting and wasn't able to play a game in San Jose, and I respect those rules. I think those rules have to apply to everyone. But I just got to be honest with you. Over the years, I've been lost at what the identity of the New York Islanders have been and what direction they're going. And obviously, the young defense in Matthew for he's going to be a star. But I just think they've lacked an identity. And are they a skilled team? Do they want to be a physical team? And I'm not pointing fingers at anybody, but I've just been at a loss simply what the culture is there and what direction. I mean, everyone wants to win, but what are they? What's their identity? And I think Patrick was trying to bring that.

I think by setting the example with one of your stars in Matthew Barzell, I think that's important. I think there's particular specific rules that have to align with everyone, no matter who you are in the organization. We all know that some people have a longer leash than others just based on their skill level. But I think the general rules have to apply. And So I get that, and I think he's trying to establish some culture there, but I really haven't been able to figure out the culture there for quite some time.

I could point some fingers right now, actually. I could point it at Lou Lamorello, who built the team before he was unceremoniously fired. And then, of course, Tony D'Angelo. That's why I have no choice. I have to. I'm sorry.

I got you. Thank you. Cassie, I do see that you're wearing your awesome PW gear, and that leads me into something I definitely wanted to ask you about. Just in terms of the growth of the league. It's been so much fun to watch over the last couple of years. I love that they're not afraid to be experimental with rules. I love that they're letting them be more physical and play more hockey like that. And now we're getting two new teams this year in Vancouver and Seattle. So I just wanted to get your take on where you think the league is at and just how awesome it has been to watch it grow over the last few seasons.

It's been incredible. I'm of the generation where we watched our league start up and fold and start up and fold. And it wasn't without great passion. And now to have the ownership group of Mark Walter and his team support us and back us in a huge way, it's been tremendous, and it's giving us our best chance to survive. I believe we have over 200 staff league-wide, which we used to try and do this with one commissioner and a bunch of volunteers. To watch it grow and the on-ice product, to watch the PWhL machine from a business side, from a marketing side, really push the players into the spotlight, I think has been really important to showcase the great personalities that we have. And all the players are getting more and more opportunities than they've ever seen before. So that's amazing. And just to watch the expansion happen and the way we did it and we researched for seven months over this, it wasn't just a decision that we made overnight to watch those teams come in and they're going to be competitive, and they're going to make sure that our league has parity across the board.

I think Vancouver and Seattle are terrific markets. And and they showed that in the takeover tour games. For me, as an old player and an alumni, so to speak, this is a dream come true to be able to watch it and watch the current generation have something like this. It's incredible for me. It's a dream come true. It's an honor to be a part of. We have a tremendous team from a Hockey Ops to a business ops to the communication to everyone who works for the league that is really pushing in one direction to try and make this work. And that's been a big part of our success as well.

Where in the history of the sport would you pinpoint the interest in women's hockey being greater as it is now? Because we're seeing, as you said, the sport, especially the PWHL, growing right now. So where would you say the interest started rising?

I'd have to say you go back to the '98 Olympics and the first Olympics for women's ice hockey. That was a huge step. And I was on the losing end of that Olympics, but I think it was important that the US won as well, looking back, just to help grow the game in the US. And just help grow the game overall. But that was a big pinnacle moment in our sport that really pushed it to another level, which I think was really, really important. We've had great league in the past. There's so many of them, from the original NWHA to the second version, to the Canadian Women's Hockey League, to the original Cawwell League way back in the day, to the PHF. So many league that really helped set a foundation, set a tone for this. Now we have finally everyone working together, and I think that's always been an important step that we needed. Every Olympics, it seemed to get this attention that it didn't normally get. Now we're getting the attention on a regular basis so that young girls and young boys, for that matter, can watch their favorite female player, not just every four years or at a World Championship.

It's from November to June, and they can turn on a television and get an opportunity to watch some of their favorite players. So getting this league and having this and having people who are working and can make a living and all the opportunities that are coming from the PWhL to help push us forward, I think, is a big turning point that we have more staff and more people involved in all the markets to help make it work.

You mentioned the young players going to the Olympics, and that takes me to the next thing I wanted to ask you about. We've been talking a lot about Olympic rosters. Obviously, we're all very excited to see the NHL guys going back to the Olympics this year. But it seems like over the last, I guess, few weeks since the NHL season started, guys like Maclin, Celabrini, and Cole Caulfield are really playing their way onto these Olympic rosters. I guess a two-part question, what do you think about these young guys making their case for an Olympic spot where there's so many veterans that have been dying to get back out there. And the importance of, as we were just talking about earlier on the show, bringing the young guys to the Olympics to get them that exposure, whereas they've got World Championships and other opportunities. But it's going to be a tough decision right now for the people that are curating these rosters.

I think it's a little bit less about exposure for these young guys more so than experience. You're also, as an organization, thinking of 2030 and the veterans that won't be there and these young guys that potentially have that opportunity. So I think it is important, despite the fact you want to win here and now, it is important to maybe have a young guy on your team that can get that experience and bring that forward. And it's been remarkable to watch Cole Caulfield and what he's been able to do, especially in overtime in Montreal. I cover Maclin Celabrini a lot with ESPN, and he's having a tremendous season. They had a tough start in San Jose. As everyone knows, they lost their first five games, and two of them were probably games that they should have won. Then they go on a road trip and he produces 10 points and just to put the team on his back. I really think the important thing for these young players, Conor Bedard, you can put in that category, they have to play a two-way game in order to be on these rosters. Because if there's injuries or whatever, they have to come in and they can't just provide offense.

They have to provide that two-way game. I think that's important for both general managers of all the teams, not just the North American team. That's where I see maybe a Maclin Celabrini getting an opportunity because he does have that two-way game for Canada. Cole Caulfield, and you think of Clayton Keller, he's a little bit older, but he didn't make the Four Nations team, and he's been playing so well and trying to make a name for himself and Logan Cooley. But I still think you have to have that two-way element to your game, and it's so important with all the skill that's out there on the ice. So it'll be interesting. Knock on wood, there's not a lot of injuries, but the way it is, there might be one or two, and who gets to fill those shoes of some of those players that were there at Four Nations for all the countries. So it's going to be fun to watch regardless of who's there. But it's also going to be interesting to see some of those final decisions that the general managers have to make.

Cassie, I've always been infatuated with the Olympics. I think they're the greatest sporting event that we have in the entire world. You're a three-time Olympian, two-time Olympic gold medalist. For us mere mortals who will never actually participate in the Olympic Games. What are you going in? Are you going in hockey? You've been taking lessons.

Curly.

I'm e-bugging right now. Let's go.

E-bug for Team USA, David Dworak. But can you just take us... Explain the experience in some way, try and help us make sense of what it's like to be at that level around all those unbelievable athletes and represent your country on that stage.

Yeah, I think You train and you're part of a hockey team and you're trying to go to the Olympics as one team as the hockey team. And then you get there at the Olympic Games and you become Team Canada, Team USA, Team Sweden. But it's about all the athletes, all the sports, and to get an opportunity to pick the brains of the other athletes and to cheer them on. That's one of my favorite things. And the friends I've made over the years that are from different sports, I treasure them completely. But it's the ultimate. I think it's the quarterfinals on in both men's, women's or para-hockey, it's like Stanley Cup game sevens. It's an event that only comes around every four years. And so if you lose in the quarterfinal, it's like losing in a game seven. If you lose in the semifinals, it's like losing in a game seven. If you lose the gold medal game, it's like losing it in a game seven. So game sevens, as you guys know, in the NHL and the Stanley Cups, especially the Stanley Cup final, I mean, that's the pinnacle of our sport. And you have an opportunity to potentially play three or four of them at the Olympic Games.

And that's what the pressure is like, and that's what the caliber of hockey is like. And yeah, it's just an event like no other. And I remember my first opening ceremony, I walked into the stadium in Japan And I had this out-of-body experience where I was this little girl at home watching myself walk into the Olympic Games because I watched it every year as a kid, every four years as a kid or two years, I guess, summer and winter. And those were my heroes. Those were the people I looked up to. And all of a sudden, there you are. And it's the biggest sporting event in the world where you get to represent your country, you become a team and teammates with so many other people in so many other sports. And it's just a really unbelievable experience and just really hard to describe, but it's incredible.

I have chills. I got the chills from that answer. It was unbelievable.

Maybe it was the AC. Right now, the main arena is not even completed, and the Olympic village is just a dorm. It's not even like the normal Olympic villages that you see during the summer or past Winter Olympics. So how is that going to affect the players knowing that they're going to go in and possibly play on ice that's not up to Olympic standard?

I think as an Olympic athlete, you expect the unexpected. I mean, you're willing to whatever happens, just to deal with it. And that's the way you go in and approach it. And I think you talk about those things, the potential distractions that could occur. I think every Olympic Games, people are talking about security. People are talking about venues not being finished. There's always a political climate within the country of where the Olympics is being hosted, all these things that are really out of an athlete's control. So you talk about those distractions, the possibilities of what ifs. From a hockey standpoint, the staff has your back as far as dealing with any of these things that potentially could happen. But it doesn't matter if the ice conditions, it doesn't matter what your dressing room looks like, if the stalls are built or the benches or whatever, the zamboni breaks down. I mean, you just get out on the ice and you do your job. It's, again, the It's an ultimate event. It comes around every four years from a hockey perspective, and you just don't let anything get in your way. So you prepare for those distractions.

But once you're there, you just deal with the things that are within your control. And you just hope that the host committee has everything under control, and they're doing the best that they can to put on the best Olympics for their country. And that's got to be your approach as an athlete.

The other thing about this is, obviously, it happens in every international competition. Different size ices as opposed to the ice in Canada and the United States. You got bigger ice, bigger rings in a national game. So if you're a player who's used to playing on smaller rings, and now you're playing in an international game, how much of a difference is that?

Yeah, it can be a difference for sure. My understanding, it's going to be an NHL ice surface there. So I think that's going to be helpful to everybody. But you just prepare again. That's just It's part of your preparation, whatever the ice surface is. The Olympics pass for me, it was Olympic ice surface, and that's how you train as much as you could. You get on an Olympic ice surface from a team perspective and go through your structures and your tactical stuff. And again, it's just one of those things that it's just part of it. It's part of your preparation. There's little things that you can tweak depending on the ice surface and the size of it. But everyone's playing on the same ice, so there's excuses. And it's definitely just something that's unique. But from my understanding, the ice surface is going to be the same.

Before we wrap it up, I did have one more NHL-related question for you, and this is just something that I've been toying with for a while. But I like to think that if the NHL... We all love the three-on-three overtime. I think everybody can universally agree three-on-three overtime has been great. I think if they just went from 5 minutes to 10 minutes, it would probably eliminate 90% of shootouts, which I feel like a lot of us can agree that the novelty of the shootout has run its course. So that's just my pitch to the NHL to maybe tweak a rule, make some more fun three on three overtime, give it a little shootouts. What do you think about that, Cassie?

I love the skill aspect of the shootout. From time to time, you still get to see these amazing moves or these amazing saves. I love the skill aspect of it. I'm glad that, of course, we don't have it in the playoffs, and you win or lose five on five. I wouldn't mind seeing the 10 minutes. You have to understand, though, as an athlete, three on three is tough. It's like a bag skate. So you're taxing your stars, obviously a little bit more. But I wouldn't mind seeing it move to 10 minutes, more three on three. And another thing I'd like to see it is once you cross center ice, you can't go back. Otherwise, it's a penalty.

No more back up.

That's something that I'd rather see first before a time change or eliminating the shootout, that over and back rule in basketball that we often see. But I love the skill of it. And I'm also glad that it has nothing to do with the Stanley Cup playoffs. And teams get to win five on five unless, of course, there's a penalty. But I just prefer it that way in bigger circumstances.

Cassie Campbell-Pascal is a champion, and we are honored for her to be on the show with us. Thank you, Cassie, for joining us.

All right. Thanks, boys. Thanks for having me.

I sign to enter the Panthers den and a bit warm this den right now, as opposed to David, who is right now sweating his ass off. A little bit. Yeah. So the Panthers won against Vegas, 3-0 on Saturday. They lost in the shootout in a game that really they should have lost in regulation, three to two against the Anaheim Ducks on Tuesday. Tomorrow, they will play the Dollar Stars. Now, grandma Sean was not with the team for their game against the Ducks on Tuesday because of personal matters. And that personal matter was his friend and former trainer, J. P. Mccollum, lost his daughter, 10 years old, to a bout of, I believe it was cancer. Now, A very sad situation there. And Brent Marshawn showed his support by going up to Nova Scotia and being a part of a celebration of Sayla's life. Her name was Sayla, and it was a special hockey game. And he was a coach. He was behind the bench of a team by the name of the Marsh and Mill Company Hunters. This was in the Nova Scotia Under-18 Hockey League. Marsh, obviously, that's Brent Marshawn. That is a apparel company that Bryant Marsh is a part of.

He volunteered to be the coach for Wednesday's game, so J. P. Mcallen could be with his family and grieved. That was a nice thing that grandma's Sean did. I said this once he was traded to the Florida Panthers Panthers, and I'll say it again, he's a good man. He's a stand-up guy, and still weird to see him in a Panthers uniform, but I am very happy that he's here. Good guy, and there you go. Here we rejoined the team for the stars game tomorrow.

Can't believe I ever hated that guy. He's the best.

It's crazy, right? How your opinion of a guy can change so much over the course of, I don't know, a few years. But he's not the same guy that- He's not.

He's softened up.

The first half of his career, he was a very dislikable player if he's not in your team. You love to have him as a teammate, but man, it's just such a good guy. He's been so nice to everybody. Every interaction we've seen, he's joking around with guys in the media, whether we're on the road or at home. Just seems like an all-around good guy, and this hit you right in the field.

His perspective seems to have really shifted from the Boston thing. He was so insightful that night when he went back and everything. He's been so insightful throughout this whole thing, and he really is just awesome. And the Panthers miss him. They miss his finishing touch in that game against Anaheim. They certainly could have used him.

Yeah, no more licking of faces there. Ryan Callahan, I'm sure, is very happy about that. Tuesday against the Ducks, he wasn't there. Obviously, we said that. And again, the Panthers actually had very good goal-tending. They really kept the buck in the Ducks zone. But major mistakes, especially on special teams, is what doomed the Panthers early. One None of them led to a shorthand goal. But in the third period, they really looked like the Panthers of two seasons ago or even three seasons ago, where no lead was safe. They came back and tied the game. So it was a good effort, but very, very poor showing in the shootout. What was your takeaway from Tuesday's game?

As you said, we're seeing bits and pieces of Panthers hockey that we've come to expect from the last few years. Obviously, it's going to be a lot harder for them to maintain that level consistency when you're missing so many key players from your lineup. But the fact that we're getting it in bits and pieces, I guess, is a positive. The game against Anaheim, just a shorthand goal against, which is surprising. Then less than four minutes later, they're giving up a five on three goal, and that was really it. Dostal, Anaheim's goal tender was spectacular. They've been goalied a few times this season, the Panthers have. You think the first two games of the year, they barely got past like, Spencer Knight and Dan Vlidar up in Philly. Really, it's just a lot of mixed bag right now. They can't seem to put it together other than the Vegas game. The Vegas game was probably their best 60-minute effort of the season. But other than that, it's been bits and pieces.

They absolutely got goalied because the Panthers out-shot them, outattempted them. They had puck possession basically almost the entire game.

And he looked really good in the shootout, too, did Dostal.

I know everybody loves the deserve to winometer, but the Panthers were like 90 to 10 at some point. Dostal was fantastic in the shootout. In person, you could see he was just cutting off all the angles. Like, Reinhardt didn't have a look. And then E-Rod, not that he's the most skilled guy in that spot to take a shootout. He didn't have a look at all. Lundell got him with a snipe. But just to quantify what we're looking at with the Panthers right now, they're currently third in expected goal percentage. In an entire league- Six and a half?

Something like that.

They're getting 56. 42 % of the expected goals. Again, They're third best in the league behind only New York and Colorado. But their shooting percentage on shots on goal is third worst in the league right now. Not finishing. They're shooting 7. 02 %. It was a similar problem last year. That's where you really miss Matthew Kachuk. That's where you miss Brad Marshan in a game like Tuesday night, where you have all the chances, completely dominate the Puck possession, just not finishing. Alexander Barkoff as well. We know he's a great finisher in the shootout. The Panthers really missed him because that's where he is so dominant. So the Panthers, right now, it's just that finishing touch that's missing. They just can't get the Puck to go in the net. If the dam ever breaks, they're going to look like the Panthers again. I just don't know that the dam is going to break anytime soon right now.

No, if you have a map that could chuck, at least if you have a medium or low danger shot, there's a good possibility that he'll clean up that rebound. But the Panthers just could not finish against Anaheim on Tuesday. There were a lot of shots that went wide.

Yeah, that's been The other thing lately is the shot attempts stay high. The shots on goal have fluctuated quite a bit.

And close to blocks.

Yeah. Paul Maurice has talked about, you've just got to find a way to get pucks through. You got to move your feet a little bit. You got to open up those lanes. This is a thing that they've talked about, not just this season, but in years past, which is why you've got to be confident that they're going to be able to figure it out.

The Panthers are in for a tough one on Saturday. Jake Oettinger is coming in with the Dallas stars. What do you see happening with this game now that Brad Monch on is back?

I'd like to see the Panthers get back to doing what they did against Vegas and for at least half of the game against Anaheim. It really doesn't matter right now who they're playing against. Obviously, they played some really good teams on this homestand, which is a good challenge for them, but they just have to get back to playing Panthers Hockey. They have to get back to the five-man game, getting their strong assets, running their proper routes, getting at second-chance opportunities, and getting pucks to the net. I mean, first and foremost, that's the thing that they struggled the most with.

Yeah. Last year around this time, the Panthers were leading the division. This year, right now, it is October 31st. It is Halloween. The Panthers are five, five, and one with 11 points, and they are now in sixth place in the Atlantic division. So it's a far cry from what happened last year, but of course, this team was healthy, so it is what it is.

We'll figure it out. I think There's going to be the Panthers are going to get their trade ads this season. They're going to get the addition of Matthew Tuchuk. They're going to get the addition of Tomas Nosik. Eventually, Sasha Barcav, hopefully, will be back as well. Dimitri Kulikov. These are all additions that are going to come to the roster that are going to cost them nothing. So as long as they can keep their head above water, continue to play decent hockey, they should be okay.

Yeah. The line of demarcation usually is Thanksgiving, and that is about a month from now.

Free The percentage is November first. If you're four points out on November first, the percentage is really, really, really low that you're going to make the playoffs. The Panthers, obviously not four points out.

63 % is what I saw on one of these Twitter accounts Yeah, the athletic, I think they're at 65, and they haven't changed since before the year.

It's so early. I'm not worrying about anything until everybody's back in the lineup. It's such a tight race. As long as they don't find themselves 10 points out over the next couple of months, which I'd be shocked for something like that to happen. I think the pants are going to be fine.

All right. Thank you for Cassie, Campbell, Pascal for joining us today. Thank you to Gino and Jason who are in the back. Ethan is wearing the bright side.

Yeah. Thank you to Mikey for this awesome Bright Side jersey. Everybody over there. I love you guys.

Yes. And Dave, you can finally take off the goalie stuff because you just look so uncomfortable right now.

Do I?

You did phenomenal twerking. You did phenomenal today. Unbelievable. It's just really warm in here. Unbelievable. Can you see the sweat coming out? Yes. Actually, right now, now that you point it out, I can. It looks nominal.

It looks like the scene from Mission Impossible with Tom Cruise hanging from the ceiling in that drop of sweat. He had to catch it so it didn't hit the floor in the presser sensor. So that's what you look like right now.

This must have been what it felt like to play hockey back in the '80s when they didn't have AC in the building. Chicago Stadium. Full leather gear, probably worse than what I'm wearing now. So yeah, it could be worse.

Well, you could finally take it off now and enjoy the air conditioner. My name is Roy Bellamy.

It's going to be a stinky ride home.

We will see you next week. This was The Hockey Show. Thank you for listening and joining us today.

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