Transcript of Local Hour: It's Over, Stover

He's doing it again, Dan.

Who is?

Jeremy. He's doing it again.

He won't stop. Oh, my God. You're talking about how he won't shut up about how the Giannis stuff is all bigger than the Super Bowl?

Yes. It's just three days in a row now, and I get it. The Super Bowl, okay, it's over a week away. I understand. For that matter, the NBA Trade Deadline is a little less than a week away. But he's doing it again. He's trying to convince everybody. He literally just said, talking about Giannis, this is the biggest story in sports. Then he adds the caveat. It was a Super Bowl, too. He's doing it again.

In his defense, though, obviously, the Super Bowl is still a week away. We've got next week to really gear up and get ready and get real excited about the Super Bowl. But right now, it stands For the reason, Yannis is the biggest story in sports on today's Friday day.

Very obviously the biggest story in sports today.

Today. I'm just happy everybody showed up for work.

I was going to be here no matter what.

The trade deadline, though, is, as Zaz just mentioned, it's also a week away. Six days away. And there are a number of big stories in sports. We're not covering Denny Hamlin correctly. And also Jokowitch right now is bralling with Sinner. If you like tennis right now, it's rare for sporting events to be happening while we're on the show. But Jokowitch, as an athlete, has more titles, more majors than anybody. And When I say that, that's a staggering thing to say, given that he played against two other Jokowitches during his time. Serena doesn't have as many majors as Jokowitch, and Serena was not playing against two other Serenas at the same time. What Jokeovich is doing right now. Do you think, Mike, do you think, as we watch this, the fifth set of Jokeovich and Sinner, do you think that Jokeovich knows, like we know right now, that Sinner's better than him? Good job on the name. Almost stumbled, but you got through. I don't think that's good for my inner monolog. You got to understand the voice. You got to understand it. I didn't understand what you were saying.

We'll work on it. Workshopping sounds.

Just so I can get this right, we're deciding yesterday that 20 minutes of high Lucas talk is more interesting than Yannis, and that today, old Novak Djokovitch and, We're not covering Denny Hamlin correctly, is more interesting than the Yannis stuff. That's our barometer here?

Djokovitch has done a lot more winning than Yannis. But fair enough. Fair point by you. Look at Djokovitch right there. Look at that shot. Do you think that Djokovitch knows Sinner is better than him?

I think so.

You think so? Yeah. So then why wouldn't he think he's going to lose here?

How's this one?

Well, I didn't hear what you said.

It's got to be different, man.

That's more menacing.

What do you want from me? But I did not understand my inner monolog.

Everyone else did. It's got to sound different. It's confusing if it's my normal voice.

Right, but I still don't know what you said as my inner monolog, and it's going to be hard to do the show if I don't understand my own inner monolog.

How's this one?

I understand that you want to make it weak, but you made it sound like- I think weak is the way to go. That I understood. All right, so I don't whisper. I got enough voices in my head. This one's tough. This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugats podcast.

By the way, I'm not a big hockey guy, obviously. I just found out that the Mammoths were a team.

Mammoth. It's just Mammoth.

Okay, so the Mammoths are a team. Hockey is Backjack is a banger. That one's better than all the other Backjack songs we have, and it's great.

I agree.

Is Hockey Backjack or is the season over, Stover? Is it back?

I was really- It's over, over.

We move on.

I was really upset last night, Dan. For the first time this season... Mike, you could say what I put in the hockey chat last night. I think I wrote, Panthers are effing terrible, and I don't ever speak like that.

I was really- Thank you for allowing us to share that.

I was really, yeah.

Well, you know- This one feels like it's being undone.

It feels like we're getting close to the point where It's just too much to overcome, and it's going to be a lost season.

The teams ahead of them are not losing.

It's really hard. That's an important fact. Yeah, it's really hard to make the playoffs in that sport. Again, this sport could totally do with more teams because everyone's good.

It's weird, right? Half the league makes the the playoffs? So it's like, Oh, it's very easy. No, it's really hard to make the playoffs in that league. Dan, the Panthers are eight points back of a payoff spot.

So when you say really hard, this brings me to another subject, and I'll tie Yannis in, even though I'm I'm watching Jokowitch and Sinner right now, and we rarely have this sporting event going on during the show. So please keep me updated on this because I'm actually interested. Fading champions, dying champions, watching them fight desperately is always interesting to me. And I was just asking during the Shadow Show, do you think that Jokowitch knows that Sinner is better than him? And I don't think that's a concession that Djokovitch would make while still playing tennis. I don't think that you can win if you lack confidence that way. You almost always have to think you're able to win. But when it comes to the playoffs, making the playoffs being hard, I loved part of the conversation that we were having yesterday, and I don't remember even the specifics of what it's about, but the idea of when critiquing sports or franchises or anything, the acknowledgement somewhere in there that a certain thing is really hard to do offers some nuance that might balance perspective on things. I bring it up as it relates to the heat.

Mike Ryan has checked out on the Miami heat largely over the last few years of frustration because his standard is what the Miami hurricanes did this year, what the Panthers have done the last couple of years, the things that are incredibly hard to do. And so not unlike you saying the Panthers bleeping or terrible, Mike Ryan has been wandering around for several years now saying the heat stink. But they don't actually stink. They won against Chicago yesterday. They've got three straight games against Chicago. But the perspective I wanted to add to this- Get excited for that. Well, here's the thing, right? Where they've set the standard is interesting on where things are hard, Zazlo, because no one here is going to get excited about that because of where they've set the standard. But when we talk about things being hard, the model franchise in this market, even with two-time champion Panthers now no longer possibly being in the playoffs, for 30 years, 30, has been the Miami Heat. I understand why you're frustrated with that. You want to take a guess when I talk about hard, how things are hard. You want to take a guess how many franchises in the last 30 years in basketball have done more winning than the Miami Heat.

The last 30 years straight. Go ahead and take a guess how many of them have done better than the Heat.

Spurs, Warriors, Lakers.

Spurs and Lakers are it, and it's Lakers barely. It ain't Michael Jordan's Bulls. It ain't the Warriors. Sure as hell the Knicks. It's not the Celtics. The Miami Heat for three straight decades, three straight. They never do what Sacramento does for a season or Atlanta has done for all of those 30 seasons. Never. They're always in it, and now we're talking Yannis. These things are hard. It's really hard to win like that when everyone else is trying to prevent you from winning like that. Everyone else cares the same way you do about making sure you don't win like that. So the Knicks would kill to They have Jimmy Butler against the Nuggets in the finals, but they don't get it for 30 years. And so the perspective on what's great never gets to be as great if second place is always a loser. And if third place on 30 years of winning in the league is the Miami Heats stink when they don't stink this year. They clearly don't stink.

No, they're ordinary. But I think that this is the longest run under Pat Reilly that the Miami Heat haven't had a chance. No. No? They were bad the year that they got Beazley.

15 to 19, they were a nothing.

Yeah. 15 to 19? Yeah.

Morning Getting sick affected a lot of different things.

Well, Bosh getting sick because I remember dancing with an inflatable horse celebrating Goran Dragic, and they were a game away from making it to the Eastern Conference finals and matching up with the Cleveland Cavaliers. So I think this is the most prolonged stretch on Pat Reilly's watch that they've just been ordinary without a real shot at winning the title. And there have been some lean years. There have been number two overall pick years. There was that time where they were like the five seating a bad east, and we were all wondering if we're wasting Dwyane Wade's prime, but you knew that you had that piece. Who's the guy that you build around right now? We've been talking ourselves in a bam. I think we've maxed out that ceiling. So I think the issue here is, I understand that they're not a bad team, but in that sport, they're arguably the worst First thing that you can be, mediocre for an extended period of time.

But you're saying mediocre for an extended period of time, and I would say that's been the magic for 30 years, and they had Shaq.

Well, the magic have a different standard. I'm telling you, this is the worst run of Pat Reilly.

I understand that it's a different standard. But what I'm telling you about these things are hard, is that everyone wants what the heat have had for the last 30 years, which is you almost always matter. The Timberwolves matter now. They haven't mattered for 30 years, and they haven't played. You said they haven't played in the finals in a long time. They were there three years ago. The Timberwolves have never been there. They had Kevin Garnett. They've never been there in third. These things are really hard. I understand. But I don't feel like we do understand when we talk about it because you say, well, it's a different standard. Well, everyone's got the standard of they want to win the championship, and One franchise is clearly better than the heat over the last 30 years. It's the Spurs, and no one else is clearly better. That's a little dab of a paper towel on the forehead. See, I didn't understand what my inner monolog was there. I I don't understand. I heard it. Yeah, but you're next to him and you hear the way he's saying it without the voice. Chris, do you not understand that you're hearing the way that he's saying that behind you?

I don't want to get bogged down. I have headphones on.

I think part of the issue or a major part of the issue over these last several years, the heat fan sees all of these other teams that are out there making the moves. They're trying to take swings. The heat have never been committed to doing that these last years because they're waiting and they're waiting and they're waiting for the right moment, the exact right moment to actually pounce. That's why they've been a above-average team, barely above-average team. But now, this right here, the heat, by my count, have only gone all in one time in the history of the franchise in a trade. That's when you push all the chips to the center of the table and you say, take whatever you want. And that was with Shaq, all right? It's the only time they've ever done that.

No, that's actually not true. They didn't add Wade in that.

Yes, correct.

It was well, but it was all the chips except for Dwyane Wade.

We're keeping this one, and here's everything else, but we're keeping this one piece, Tell us what you want. Yes. But that's going all in, all right? In this instance as well, they are going all in for Yannis. They're going to keep Bam right over here. Here's everything else. Tell us what you want. If this is what they've been selling us with their flexibility and their maneuverability for the last few years, this is it, man. Make it happen now.

To that point, I think Heat fans have been frustrated when big names have come in the market and everybody from across the street has been like, No, hold, hold. We're not doing it yet. We're not doing it yet. But then when the Heat fan sees the trade for Terry Rozier where a first-round pick gets over there, and then he gets indicted for gambling, and then all of a sudden that happens, you're like, Wait a second. The one time we try and make a move, that something weird happens. Now we don't have the asset we need to maybe go make this massive asset happen, like exchange.

Can I add that whichever way you want to look at it, that the Heat obviously should not have done the Terry Rozier trade?

They should have been told at least.

Or Adam Silver should do the right thing and require the heat to get their '27 first round pickback. If the heat, if that trade either never happened or Adam Silver did the right thing, the heat would be lock to get Yannis. All right. They'd be a lock.

Let's talk about this for a second because it's interesting. A lot of parts of this are interesting. The best options that Yannis would have and the Bucks would have, it would appear, are the Warriors and the Heat, and the Warriors is a better option. That's interesting for a number of reasons, including that the Warriors have so much flexibility as a well-run organization that has not won as much as the Heat the last 30 years, that they They just traded for the Heat's best player and still have the assets available to have a better offer.

Well, if I can add, why do you say that about the Warriors? They've won four titles during that span.

Oh, but over the last 30 years, okay, fine. We can say that, but by winning percentage-Oh, just like going back to 94, they He's been shitty for 15 years.

Okay, you're right.

Over the last 30 years, the better winning... Over the last 30 years, the Warriors are under 500.

Okay, yeah, you're right.

Give him a hard look. Make sure he never corrects you on the air again.

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The best chance that he'd have is that Giannis doesn't want to do the Durant thing of, I'm going to go be Coattails, I'm going to go be the number two, and I don't like what's going to happen to the Warriors after Steph retires, where I'm going to end up being Milwaukee again. That's the best chance I think that he'd have, Yannis wanting to be here because it gets to be his.

Why does Milwaukee care about that?

Because Yannis is going to tell them where it is that he wants to go, and they may or may not want to please Yannis here as part of the transaction if they can get something close to what it is that the Warriors would be offering, which they can. They can get something close, but the Warriors offer is better.

I think there's an issue, too, with a bit of subtraction by addition, where you have Giannis, you get him there, but it took so much. It took such a heaven and earth move to get all of your roster gutded, to get all your pics out of the way. Where now you're looking around at the locker room and it's Steph and it's Giannis, and it's like, maybe Drayman's there, maybe he's not. And then all of a sudden in a year, Steph is 37. He's turning 38 in March. We got two years left of Steph, three years maybe. And at that point, Giannis is looking around being like, This is Milwaukee West. I'm back in hell, and there's nothing I can do about it because there's no pics, there's no assets whatsoever. That, to me, seems like a very tough place to be when you can go somewhere in the East and make the NBA Finals every single season.

There's a combination of things here. I found it really interesting, both that aspect of it, because there's been no indication thus thus far that the Warriors are a preferred destination of Giannis. There's been reporting that the heat are. There's been reporting that he has interest in playing with Anthony Edwards in Minnesota. We know about the Knicks. The Warriors have been a piece of this without any guarantee that Giannis would extend. So their mammoth offer, which would include Pajemski and Moses Moody and Jonathan Kaminga and Jimmy Butler, and then four pics and three pick swaps, Maybe that's not something that the Warriors are fully willing to put out there, even with that Steph window. Maybe they see a hybrid version where, hey, they come get Andrew Wiggins or Anthony Davis. But even beyond that, I don't know that that offer that the Warriors are putting out there for the Bucks is the best thing for the Bucks either, where you say, oh, but they can acquire four first-round picks in three swaps. Well, if all of a sudden it's Giannis and Steph, and they're going to be maybe the best team in the NBA competing for championships the next few years, that pick swap means nothing.

Two of those first-round picks are at the end of the first round. And you're looking at the heatpicks being in the future and delivering you a good young core right now. You get wear and other supplementary pieces who are under 25 years old, probably an all-star level guard in Tyler Hero, who's only 25. You don't need- He's talking too much. You don't need to keep winning.

Get it back to Denny Hamlin.

All right. Denny Hamlin talk. Let's go.

Was that Mike? Because that's what was going on in my head. Or was that Mike? Did that come out on air? I thought that... Did you say that or was that just...

Can Jeremy hear me?

Jeremy, will you cry if we don't get Yannis?

Only if Terry Rozier isn't allowed to be moved, and that's the thing.

I already put this out there for Adam Silver.

Can you imagine Zaz? Can you imagine that?

I already laid it down.

I'll murder Pablo Tori.

I already laid down the gauntlet. Adam Silver, if the heatmaker trade for Yannis, in theory, they have a trade, and it involves Terry Rozier's contract, and then you come out and say that you're not allowed to trade Terry Rozier's contract, I already dared him.

You did. You double dog dared him at the end.

I double dare. I double dare you, Adam Silver, to cancel a trade for Yannis that involves Terry Rozier. I double dare you.

Dan, that would be the most unprecedented thing ever, right, in sports?

Him going against my double dare?

That, and a gambling scandal where the team was not let under the... They didn't know what was going on.

Okay. Spit it out, Tone.

Look how- He didn't even need me there. Look at him. He lost all confidence.

Yeah, that was unfortunate. It's okay, but I think part of the Terry Rozier thing that we need to consider is...

Minor penalty, two minutes, four leaking conference.

You know what? It's fair. I'll take that one. It is. I He was looking at Zaz, and he was looking at me, and then I was looking at Dan, and I heard the inner monolog, and I was like, Oh, God.

The inner monolog is tricky. Okay, I understand. Look, it's a whole new world out there. It's a new toy.

I did a little dance here.

I worry about the Terry Rozier thing because Adam Silver hasn't really given us much on the record about hypotheticals. So this thing's going to need to play out a little bit.

Why would the commissioner make sure everybody's on the same page?

I understand the heat perspective on this. As someone that thinks it's wholly unfair. I share your frustration. But Adam Silver has got to hedge against, there are going to be more Terry Rozeers. And what I do right now is going to serve as precedent. And it's a lot trickier than it appears just from the heat perspective, because you never know how this can be manipulated by other teams in the future.

Wouldn't the precedent be, let's make sure teams that know they have a player being investigated by the FBI discloses that information? Wouldn't that be the precedent?

Zazlo, you're emotional about this, and I understand. Also, I need to tell everybody that the Zazlo double dare doesn't seem to mean anything. You double dare, Baroubi the other day. This double dare, triple dare, it doesn't mean anything. You're talking tough, and it's just empty. But getting back to reading tea leaves and whatever it is that you love about the transaction, if the heat are going to get back in this game. Why is Yannis' mom posting on social media photos of Yannis at the Miami Heats Arena? What What is happening there on the tea leave front? I understand the point that Tony was trying to make before he started leaking confidence. I don't know if you guys saw the Philadelphia game yesterday against Sacramento, but Embiid is going for 40 or Maxi is going for 37 or the reverse of that, and they're winning by two against Sacramento because Paul George fumes of himself and Edgecombe isn't the same thing he was at the beginning of the season. And all of a sudden, it takes what's left of Embiid and all Maxi to beat the Kings by two because this shit's hard. It's hard to beat all these teams and build a complete team.

However, the Miami Heat have in their history, I'm going to say that given the condition the Shaq was in with the heat, even though they won a championship with him, have had only two players as good as Giannis ever. And whether he's hurt and whether you think he's old, that is a player that you have to get because the ones that you have are not good enough. And by your own standard, the highest of standards, Pat Reilly, it's winning or misery. By your own standard, this team is playing for championships, and we know that this one's not good enough as is. They're going to play the Chicago's and the Atlanta's and the Orlando's, and that's where they're going to be, and that isn't good enough. Giannis alters that. It's a player you have to have, even if you think he's injured, even if you think he's old. It's the player you have to have because the heat have only had two like that ever. And one of them is objecting on television to Rudy Gobert, wandering around, saying still, again and again, In 2013, if my team had gotten to the finals, we would have beaten the Miami Heat, and Dwyane Wade still not having it 12 years later.

Rudy is one of my teammates now, and I could not come here and not bring him a gift. What we got. I wanted to make sure that I brought Rudy a gif at the same time. Since we're talking about championships, since we celebrate championships, Rudy was very famous to say that they could have beaten us in 2013 to win that Championship. This is a Championship ring from 2013. I just want Rudy to get a chance to touch it, hold it. Know what? Feel it, experience it. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. You know what? You know why we didn't win? They had a jacket in my side. Just leave it at that. You can't have everything. This was '06. That was '13. We was doing this. He still in diapers. Was he? I mean, pretty much. In the NBA terms, he was still in diapers homeboy.

You know you're bothered when you're Rudy gay and you just go there like, No, I didn't. Like, live TV. It's like, That's not true. What you're saying?

Shit. I said Rudy Gober. Hopefully no one noticed.

Was that Mike who did that or was that my actual inner monolog? I'm getting confused by this character of Mike's inner monolog because I did. As soon as I saw Rudy Gay pop up, I was just myself, did I say Gober? I think I said Gober.

I know this is a whole new world, new bit. We're feeling it out. Stop reacting. Just let it sit. All right?

Well, is that my inner monolog or is that now you I'm confused.

I can't get through to you if I'm existing in your head already. Hear me out. Just let the voice do its thing. It's supposed to speak for you, and if you speak after, it loses all its steam.

How does the voice feel about me continuing on about these packages? Because I've spoken to people around the box.

Don't talk to the voice. The voice only exists for the listener. It speaks to their thoughts. If you react to the voice, you let out all this steam.

Thank you, voice.

Jeremy, go outside to the whiteboard and do all of your Kevin, Spacey, and Seven writing in journals No, I know you're not going to like the Kevin Spacey.

I'd love if you didn't call me Kevin Spacey.

Just get out of here.

Can we get smaller writing, though? It's too big.

In his defense, I could have pulled a different name.

Not if I'm talking about somebody writing Charlie Day would have worked. Stop reacting to the voice.

Stop reacting.

You want to hear Tony messing up?

No, no. Come on. Let's make fun of Jeremy. And a gambling scandal where the team was not let under the... They didn't know what was going on.

Okay. Spit it out, Tony.

You sound so stupid.

Oh, please. What I was trying to say was that they put the gambling scandal under the rug. I got stuck with under the rug there. That's where I got stuck. And then I was like, I can't put it under the rug.

Why are we sweeping this?

I can't put it under the rug. They got to, No, I don't know.

Don Levatard. Teammates can't shoot from three. Now they're going to see a different Jimmy.

Now he's just playing.

Nickelback in the locker room and- Stugatz. They'll play D and show threes as they chase the nets for the sixth seed. These five words in his head, Scream, are we winning games yet? This is the Dan Levatard show with the Stugats. The Yannis thing is going to consume the next few days.

It's going to be so annoying, right?

I don't think it's annoying because it represents hope. It represents the Miami heat trying to place the standard where it's been. The Miami heat will have the pieces needed to acquire Yannis after the season. It is not during the season. They will be able to put together a better offer than the Warriors when they have more pics after the season. It is being said that the Bucks want pics. They don't want the Heat's young players. The Heat have a cupboard of young players that are more desirable than the Warriors' cupboard of young players. But if you want pics, you want picks. And now it becomes a conversation about how interested are the Bucks in actually pleasing Giannis Antetokounmpo? Because I do believe that this would be a better place for Yannis than Golden State if he's thinking about the next five or six years instead of the next two. I also think we I'm going to underestimate the ego of these people if you think it doesn't matter at all that Yannis doesn't want to be seen as going over. I think he's given voice to this. I think he was one of the guys complaining when Durant did this.

No, man, I'm not doing it that way where I Joe and Steph Curry's team is I'm the number two, and I don't get to be the reason we're winning. I'm just going to help Steph Curry cement his legacy when I don't think that Giannis thinks that Steph Curry is appreciably better at basketball than he is. When I say, this might be blasphemy, what I'm about to say now, but I limped up with respect and bias to saying that Giannis was the third best player the heat would ever have. I walked past Shaq when I did it. But I'm not sure that Dwyane Wade is actually better than Yannis. I'd have to go look at some of these numbers and see what it is that I'm looking at and do some analysis on it. But I'm not positive as I say it. I did it respectfully, but I'm not positive. Just put it on the poll. Who's a better player? Dwyane Wade or Giannis Antetokounmpo. Just put that. A better basketball player who is forever a better basketball player, Giannis or Dwyane Wade, because it's close, correct? That's tough. No, it is.

That's tough, I don't like that we're putting up that poll.

We might not like the results. All right, we put it up, though.

You don't like it. I'm telling you that I limped up to it scared and wouldn't even put Yannis beyond him, even though I put him beyond Shaq.

The answer is Wade.

You cleaned that up. You're doing great.

Hold on, Zaz. Zaz, why? Why is it Wade?

If we're in the fourth quarter of a huge game and the game is tied, I may even give you how many minutes left. We're in the fourth quarter and the game is tied. You could either have Yannis on your team or Dwyane Wade. Who are you picking? Picking Wade. Of course. It's Wade.

I don't know. It's Wade. I don't know. I think Yannis... Dude, Yannis can... He can impact both sides of the floor.

It's only the best shot blocking car in the history.

That's fine.

That's one- Bam shut Yannis down.

Oh, come on. He was hurt the entire series.

That doesn't matter.

There's no way I take Yannis over Wade in a tie game in the fourth quarter. I I trust the team that has Dwyane Wade in that spot.

Fair enough. Whatever it is, it's splitting hairs because this player never available. At this age, never available. This is still not old. You're going to get five years of Yannis. Let's go out to Jeremy. Words I never thought I'd say, but I'm still reeling from both the struggle to say words, the getting of the Rudy gay, Rudy Gobert thing wrong.

When I heard the 2013's grizzly's, I Wait a second. Rudy Gober is on the grizzly.

My inability also to have chemistry with my inner monolog is also frustrating me. Let's go out to Jeremy for a life raft.

There are several different teams that can get in on this, Dan, and several different teams that might want to. I'll go through those before we get to the comparison of that Warriors package in the heat. The Knicks are a team that, reportedly, Giannis may be interested in going to. Shams and Sam Amick of the Athletic reported that The Heat, the Knicks, the Warriors, and the Wolves are the main suitors. Let's look at the Knicks. Chris Haynes says they don't have enough because what are they going to exchange in this package? They have Karl Anthony Towns. Would the Bucks be interested in Towns? Probably not. They don't have any picks they can make. Let's eliminate the Knicks from this conversation unless they can maneuver to get several future picks by completely blowing up their roster.

I think that's an important point. I think James Dolan, I think the entire front office is already doing the math of, All right, if we can get rid of an auxiliary piece here and try and get more picks, maybe there's something to be done.

Isn't it amazing, by the way, if I could also add the reason that the Knicks don't have any first-round picks right now to trade for Giannis is because of Mikael Bridges. Five of them. That's a tough pill to swallow. If you're a Knicks fan, tough pill to swallow.

It would require, more likely than not, moving Bridges to potentially Portland, involving them as a third team because they have those future picks of the Milwaukee Bucks that were part of that Damian Lillard trade. But moving on from the Knicks because it would require a ton of maneuvering. If you look at the Hawks, they actually have a very good package if they're interested and think they can extend Giannis and want to change their window. Because what they could offer is Jalen Johnson, who's a really good young player that they're presently building around, and the New Orleans Pelican's first-round pick, so that the Bucks would be in a position where they have essentially two top 5 to top 10 picks this year with their own and New Orleans. Plus, Jalen Johnson, you immediately accelerate the rebuild. That said, there's been no expression that the Hawks would be interested, so we eliminate them from the board. The Nets are reportedly a team that Chris Haynes said could take a big swing, but they don't have much to offer. They have Michael Porter Jr, who maybe they can move for different salary to get other places. They have a ton of pics, but would Yannis be interested in playing there?

They don't have enough to surround him. We eliminate the Nets. The Raptors. Now, originally, the Dallas Hoops Journal reported that the Raptors were a team that might be interested. We know that They're a team that has taken big swings on guys that weren't going to extend before. We saw it with the Kawhi, they won a Championship. But the reports have also been they won't move Brandon Ingram or Scottie Barnes in any trade moving forward because they've been playing really good basketball. They think they have an opportunity to compete. This is similar to the Detroit Pistons, who have the ability to make this move, but have really good young players that are playing well, and they're at the top of the conference, think they can win now. So we eliminate the Raptors because they only have Emmanuel quickly, maybe R. J. Barrett a of pics, but not really as much. The Timberwolves are similar to the Knicks. They don't have any tradable feats. They would need to reroute Julius Randall or Nas Reid, maybe Jaden McDaniels to Portland if they're interested in that. But it's going to take a similar amount of maneuvering. The difference being, Giannis does seem interested in playing with Anthony Edwards in particular, and so the Timberwolves could be more willing to make things move forward.

We can get to the Warriors in the heat in just a I didn't hear anything.

He said, Jokowitch is about to win this.

Serving for the match.

This is crazy.

Improbable, yeah.

Sinner, look, I don't know body language. I'm generally not body language guy, but Sinner looked like he knows what's across from him, and I'm not used to seeing that at all. He knows it's Jokowitch maximum focus, knowing that he just needs to get a couple of serves in in order to win this match. This is crazy. He's been hurt all match. He's been grabbing in his chest all match. Is he going to knock this dude out?

I won't believe it until I see it, but that's an incredible chapter in Jokowitch's story.

I just registered fear on Sinner's face, and I don't think I'm making that up because he knows what's across the net from him. He knows who that is and what it means that he's got a serving advantage at this point in the match. And Jokowitch has slowed everything down. He's slowing it down, slowed his breathing down. He's been hurt all match. He's been grabbing in his chest all match.

It's crazy, the story arc of Jokowitch. He had to chip away at Nadal and Federer, and then he became top dog, very clearly the best. And then the emergence of Alcaraz and. One more. Oh my God. He is now at match point.

Double match point. Oh, and he's going to the crowd.

He's going to the crowd. It's like a baby face turn, too, because everybody Nobody wants to see this happen. It's weird that the greatest of all time finds himself in this position. It's like Tiger winning that Masters a little bit. Only Tiger was always super popular, and out of those three Titans of the sport, Djokovitch- That shit was awesome when that happened. Djokovitch Jokowitch was always considered the heel of the group. But this is one of the rare occasions that Jokovitch is going up against a guy that probably might have more heel juice than he does.

I never do the body language stuff, but Sinner looked like he realized the size of his predicament on his face because you got double match point here, and Jokowitch has won more majors than anyone in the history of the sport.

Just a couple of guys slack-jawed watching tennis right now. That's right. An incredible rally.

Great audio. Us watching the theater, though.

Alcaraes.

Oh.

All right. He got a chance.

Terrible play-by-play by me.

All right.

It was like, Sinner.

Alcaraes. That rally was 18 shots.

You're like, bobin. He dribbles a ball, he dribbles a ball, He dribbles a ball. He dribbles a ball.

Your inner monolog sounded a lot like just you sound. There. Terrible play-by-play by me. Okay, let's do something.

Tennis is tough.

Let's do something here that is very rare in an audio medium. Let's watch tennis silently together.

We're in an impromptu watch-along here as match point number two is underway.

Got to take another crack at this.

Jokeovich. Tied up. Trying to complete an incredible story. Joker serves. A matchup against.

No, it's not.

Incredible rally. Oh my God! We're at Deuce.

Joker blew it. We're at Deuce. He had his chance. He could have ended it.

He had it. He had it.

Deuce. Oh, my God.

At tennis matches, do they all yell, Deuce? Please. Remember how sports fans love the u sound? Any u sound, they love to cheer it.

Boo. I can't believe Sinner won that point after that serve.

I can't.

Caught him flat-footed, Dano.

Yes.

Why did he hit it to that side?

Because he wasn't there.

Great analysis, actually.

Hit it where they ain't.

Tennis guy. You got to be better in that joke.

He should have hit it differently.

All right, let's go out to Jeremy for more Yannis Antetokounmpo talk.

We're talking Yannis Sinner or Yannis Antetokounmpo. So the Warriors, the position that they're in. Do they want to trade for Andrew Wiggins? That was a big conversation that was happening before, a Kaminga and a pick for Andrew Wiggins. But Anthony Slater, of the Athletic, I believe he covers the Warriors. He says they're not interested in Wiggins right now. Now, Brett Siegel says they might be interested in Anthony Davis, which is an interesting conversation here, simply from that Jimmy Butler salary swap perspective. You get a year off of that. But the question that we have here is, which package is better between the Warriors and the Heat? So yes, while the Warriors can offer four picks at the moment and three pick swaps, along with that Butler salary, Kaminga, and if the Bucks are interested in Brandon Pajemski. What the reports were from Shams from the very beginning is that the Bucks want blue-chip talent, and they want a surplus of draft picks. What the Warriors offer-Yeah, yeah. It's all right!

Yeah! The Joker!

Old guy still got it. Yeah!

Let's go! The Joker! Joker, Joker, Joker, Joker, JokerJoker. He was ready in 2020. Zazlo, you and I noticed at the same time that they were about seven seconds ahead of us on the televisions in there.

And I felt so-We got the live feed over here, Dan.

I felt so left out. Straight from the Aussies. I felt so alone.

It's how people feel watching live streams.

I'm so lonely. Crazy. That's totally crazy. Djokovitch was hurt all match and rallies. And the point I was making earlier, Zazlo, of- Good stuff. Greatest champions ever. To have more majors than anyone when you played in Federer's age, when you played against two guys in Federer Federer and Nadal on clay who are basically just as good as you, that's not something Serena Williams had to do. That's not something that Steffy Graff had to do. That's not something that Federer had to do until the end. He was winning his titles early.

Look at the emotion, man. This is what it's all about.

It's just... Well, so here's the thing, Zazla. When we were talking earlier, do you think that Jokowitch knows that Sinner is better than he is? I think he does. The mentality But you think he does? Because why would Jokowitch- Look at the emotion.

Does the emotion he's showing right now tell you that?

I mean, he's got to be excited that he's hurt. Almost looks like relief. And he's able to overcome that. It's a good question. I don't know. When I've told you before that the Van Gundies always say that the hardest thing to coach in sports is the aging superstar because they tend to lack self-awareness. They always think they're going to overcome everything because they always have overcome everything.

What incredible storyline for the final as well as Alcaraz is trying to complete the career Grand Slam, and Djokovitch is trying to win a 25th Grand Slam title. Insane.

I got to think he's going to peter out. It'll be like the 49ers, right? This takes so much out of you to get to that, and now you're playing another guy who's better than this.

That's what I've been thinking now. I know it happened in the wee hours, but Alcaraz and Zverev had an incredible all-time match, too, in which Alcaraz guys kept getting cramps, and Zverev kept taking exception to all the injury timeouts that he had. In hardcore tennis, you make it to the final, your body's pretty beat up anyways.

What's the history between Sinner and Djokovitch as far as playing before? Does Sinner have a bunch of wins against him?

Well, yes. What's happened here is that Jokowitch has obviously aged in a way that's not up for- Give him daggers for putting you on the spot like that.

That was not fair. I'm not a tennis guy. Against the clock.

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