Transcript of Jess Battles AI + Pablo Calls Method Man 'Method' | Hour 3 New

This is the Don Levitt Show with the Stugatz Podcast.

So Dan and I during the break were further discussing the whole idea that anyone with an ownership stake in Meadowlark should feel proud of having won or been a part of the Pulitzer Prize. And I have to admit, I've come around to it because I asked Dan, I used an example, I own 2.5% of a racehorse. If my racehorse wins the Kentucky Derby, can I say that I'm a part of that? And he said, yeah, absolutely. And you know what? Damn it, he's right. If I own 2.5— if I own the right ear of a racehorse that wins the Kentucky Derby, I'm going to be in that— at that racetrack in the winner's circle because I'm entitled to. So there.

I just texted my wife, babe, I want you to know Dan wants me to tell you that I'm a Pulitzer Prize winner. I'm going to update you on what she tells me.

Nice.

I will talk to Jessica about this in a second.

I text my wife as well.

I also want some advice from you guys. I'm surprised your wife is talking to you. The text here that I just got, I'm wondering how you guys would respond to this because the text reads, "I was not my sharpest self this morning, so if it came across fumbly, I apologize." This text is not meant for me. I don't know who this is. This is not something that I had as an interaction this morning.

Do I just make this person feel bad by saying wrong number? Are they going to feel extra worse because their message, their apology is not getting wherever it is that they wanted to get to?

I like this.

How do I— Jessica, do you have any advice for me here on what I do here? What do I write back to this person to not make them feel already worse than they do? But I don't think I should ignore it because if I ignore it, they're not going to get their apology where it was meant.

How well do you know this person?

I don't know. I don't, I don't have any relationship with this person.

Now, I would say real fast, think about everyone you've spoken to today. Do you have all their numbers saved?

I didn't have an interaction this morning that would require an apology from anybody.

I'm just like saying, this is not a person I know. Just because she referenced 7:30.

Are you sure?

Trista was on with us earlier.

Yeah, Chris is right.

7:30.

He's right.

Like, could this be a Trista number that you don't have?

Yeah.

I think the chances are good there's only one person in your life who uses the word fumbly. Who is that person?

Uh, you guys think Trista had a bad segment?

No, not at all.

No, not at all.

Absolutely not.

No, no, no, no, no.

We're trying to think whose number you might not have, right?

I'm telling you it's a wrong number. Okay, this is absolutely the wrong place that they sent this message. Now what do I do?

Right back on.

I like I like Greg's methodology here. Let's analyze who would say fumbly. What demographic do we think is saying fumbly? That certainly narrows it down.

Female.

I could see Trista saying fumbly.

Yeah, that fumbly to me sounds like something like Greg's demo would say.

Fumbly does not sound gender specific to me, and I don't think we can profile all women based on demographics of a word.

They make mistakes.

It does sound like an old person or a woman, if I'm being honest.

Wow.

Old woman. There you go. They're both the worst.

Check out her weekly Notre Dame podcast, The Echoes, with Mike Golick Jr. I don't believe her Bane makes an impersonation there.

At least I have not heard it.

Has misogynist Bane made an impersonation there?

Not yet, Dad, but there's always, there's always time. You never know. There's a lot going on in the college sports world this week that very little has to do with playing sports games.

So, yeah, let's talk about some of that. So what happened here? How was— what was your take on Sark basically saying Ole Miss is dumb and doing so with the basket weaving cliché?

I haven't heard in a while.

I haven't heard that in a while. Where does that come from? I have not heard that in a very long time.

And would it be an easy class? We were discussing earlier that would not— that doesn't sound like an easy class to me.

He like unloaded to USA Today in this story. He was just going off about everything. This is the time of year where everyone has like the spring games are over and all the coaches have way too much time on their hands, so they're all doing like podcasts. Like Dabo went on Greg McIlroy's podcast last week. Brian Kelly went on a podcast this past week and made a bunch of comments about using AI. And now you've got Lane Kiffin getting profiled by Vanity Fair in this sarc— uh, all these sarc comments about, um, Ole Miss. He also took shots at Miami, Dan. I'm not sure if you saw that, but he said that Miami basically was making the argument that Miami shouldn't have made the college football playoff over Texas last year because Texas had more ranked wins than Miami.

He did.

So he was just sounding off about all of it. And, um, my favorite part is obviously that Arch Manning is the quarterback at Texas, and I have a feeling that his— the Manning family's probably like, oh, this will look good.

That's funny.

You take shots at a different SEC school? What are you doing?

I hadn't—

I hadn't considered that Eli Manning, uh, might be, uh, yeah, he's top 2 most famous player to ever play there, is he not?

Like, or Archie.

Yeah, that too.

Uh, that the Manning family cares. What about— what about the basket weaving portion this and the underwater portion of this. Tony, did you have it right, or did you get bad information from AI that Rutgers actually has an underwater basket weaving course?

Because I find it hard to believe that they would do that as anything but a joke.

It's, it's a rec class that you can take with the scuba and aquarium situation over there at Rutgers.

That's the situation there.

It is, it's an aquarium.

You want me to go drive?

Hold on, hold on.

Okay, so, so instead of Googling it, do you want me to get my ass in a car, drive to New Jersey, see if they have it at the scuba center, and and then drive back.

No, Tony, I am simply frustrated with my old age inability to be able to tell what's true and what's not true with any level of discernment anymore, because anytime I check the internet, I'm having trouble with this.

So I'm— and it doesn't make me feel secure. It doesn't make me feel good about things. As I will say again, you know, polling suggests that 1 in 4 Americans think that we're staging presidential assassination attempts.

Well, that one might not be because of AI.

Reed College, also in Portland, Oregon, offers a lighthearted non-credited course during its Padilla Festival.

Why would anyone take a non-credit course?

It's a lighthearted, it's a little lighthearted, a little, a little nice.

Some people want to learn how to do stuff, Zaz. What do you mean? Just give me, I wish I could go back to college and learn shit again. You went to community college. I would be way better at it this time.

No, I did not.

Jessica, thank you for that because everyone is now cheating their way through college. AI sees a—

Disgust me.

A decline.

What do you— what do you—

Disgust me?

Well, people are just using AI—

Disgust me.

She's like, discuss me.

What?

That's my bad. I heard it wrong.

Glad we stopped the show.

You go back to hearing class, Chris.

Do I get a credit?

You think that she just decided to say to all of us, discuss me? Discuss me. Now that is, that is the voice your dad has going on in his head at all times.

But—

Minor penalty, 2 minutes delay of show. Who, me? Wow. AI has made it so that use of AI goes way down after college classes end because college students are absolutely devaluing everyone's diploma. By cheating their way through school. People are now getting online diplomas in weeks because of their ability to do the work very quickly.

I feel like—

first Lakers or Cowboys?

I think, uh, to Zas's point, Alfonso Ribeiro's on First Take seeing who's gonna win a title first, Lakers or Cowboys. Thank you for that.

It's important.

That is pretty good.

Next up is who is the NBA's GOAT with Carlton. It's Wednesday as we head toward June.

Amazing.

And then the sports content people are struggling to find things to talk about when all you got from a Basketball Wednesday is some Wemby. Wemby in a 30-point game. But let's go back to this AI thing. Can you guys play for me the video of UCF's commencement speaker being booed for talking about AI? Because I want to talk with Jess about this AI movement and ethically what it is that we're supposed to do with it. Can go ahead and play that video, please.

The rise of artificial intelligence is the next industrial revolution.

Oh, whoa, what happened? Okay, I struck a chord. May I finish?

Only a few years ago, AI was not a factor in our lives.

Okay. All right.

Jessica, your thoughts there. And just to clarify, I don't think that the presidential assassination attempts, that it's merely AI that's doing that. I think our president's comfort generally with massaging facts on truth have been a greater part of the problem on what it is that's happening there.

—and like the medium, the media vacuum in general, Dan, I think is part of the problem. But yeah, this was at a UCF, um, commencement ceremony. This woman's name is Gloria Caulfield. She's the vice president of strategic alliances at Orlando-based Tavistock Development Company. She clearly did not do a good job of reading the room, that a bunch of college grads who are probably very anxious about what jobs they're going to get after college because of the rise of AI and some of the insecurities with the workforce, um, and AI replacing entry-level jobs specifically how they were going to react to that. Instead of just saying, I'm gonna, I'm gonna skip ahead in my speech a little bit, she tried to keep going in that direction, and they clearly did not have— they were not having it, Dan. So I thought that was a very funny reaction from the, from the students there. Yeah, but Jessica, here's the thing.

The, the same students who were booing what she said are probably using AI to take shortcuts through their college experience. And so my attitude is none of us really knows how to react to AI right now. We all have mixed feelings, right? Like, like morally, ethically, I hate AI because it's taking hundreds of thousands of jobs. At the same time, if I see something AI has created that's cute and funny, I'm pretty impressed with it. I'm laughing, you know? You know what I'm saying?

Well, I do know what you're saying. I think first of all, I would I would hesitate to accuse like the entire student body of using AI to cheat on stuff because professors— and there's some AI slop from the video team right as we speak. That was an actual picture. I've talked to college professors who like, they have tools that they have to use now to deploy to try to catch students, whether it's like submitting papers into this thing that detects whether it's AI or not, or having students do more coursework in the classroom where they can't use their computers. Like there are It's also certain subjects where, like, whether or not you use AI to cheat, like, you can't really cheat on it. You can't, like, cheat. I mean, I guess you could technically, like, cheat on a lab report, but you have to actually do practical stuff in college sometimes where it's not that easy. So I would hesitate to say, like, they're all cheating their way through college, although certainly a lot of students do. But Greg, I think, like, where I net out on it, because I mean, I talked to a ton of people who use it and it saves them a ton of time in their jobs, whether they're doctors or, you know, working in, in some like lawyers, whatever field where they need to write up a lot of things and it assists them.

But at least in my, uh, in like the creative field and the media field, I think I don't like when it is taking away people's creative jobs. And I think there's just generally a rising backlash to— people don't want to see AI advertisements, they don't want to see AI in television shows and in movies, they don't want it to see— they don't want— like, it doesn't The shows that you watch that are made by people feel a certain way, like they feel like they're made by people. And I think that people are becoming better at detecting when it's not. And that's where it sort of bothers me because there's more AI slop from the video department. It just like in the creative field, I don't want— I don't— an image made by a computer doesn't really make me feel anything. Like you could input anything into it and get that thing. And that doesn't mean that it's art.

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It's going fantastic. My wife and I are staying home tonight. We're watching the debate on TV. We're going to do something special for the baby. It's a nice day for me so far. Stugatz.

That sounds like a not a super nice night. The debate.

Old people love that shit. Yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. Old people do love that shit. And I'm old now, I can't deny it anymore.

Now this is the Dan Levatar Show with the Stu Gatz.

Oh, but as soon as they figure out though how to get people to care about the personality types is where it is that that stuff death will become harder.

This is just the very, very primitive stages of this. Once they get to the point of being able to get us to care about characters, they will eliminate the movie stars and whatever it is that you think talent is. Like, do you think that they cannot do that? Uh, you don't think—

I think that we're headed there. For an example, this video AI slop of Zazz as a member of the Blue Man Group— funny— banging on paint drums. I would not watch that. What I watch is Zazz being himself saying ridiculous shit on your show. Yes. And until AI can replicate that, which I think it's very far away from doing, I'm not that interested in the AI slap version of Zazz.

Look, this department here that's in video is unethical and needs to have its Pulitzer stripped.

Like, whatever holds you back. Not to mention, like, we haven't even gotten into the environmental impact of these tools and how much water they use and how terrible they are for the environment. There have been polls done on younger people. They are more environmentally conscious than older people are. So I think that is part of it also, where it's like, you're 22, you're graduating from college, you might not be able to get an entry-level job somewhere because there's computers that are taking over these jobs. And at the same time, are you like concerned about what the future is going to look like in 20 years when you're an adult in the workforce, hopefully, and there's a famine or some sort of like horrible agricultural disaster because we've have completely obliterated our crops from climate change. Anyways, Dan, you took us to this dark place and I didn't want to be here, but now I'm here. And I think there's anxiety about that from young people as well.

There should be anxiety about all of that. You mentioned the things going on in college football. Lane Kiffin's commentary in Vanity Fair where he basically just says, yeah, Oxford is racist. Your thoughts were what on what it is that mushroom clouded over that Vanity Fair article?

That's another thing. Is never going to be able to replace a reporter talking to a college football coach and getting a reaction from them that, that football coach, I believe, regretted immediately after. If we're doing like interviews via chatbots or something like that, I don't think this reaction from Lane Kiffin is ever happening. Um, I, I'm very curious what Greg thinks about this aspect of it. So I saw the quote that went viral from Lane Kiffin. I'll, I'll read it because You know, it's been aggregated a thousand times now, but he said that when he was coaching there— this is from the story in Vanity Fair— Kiffin says top recruits would tell him, hey coach, we really like you, but my grandparents aren't letting me move to Oxford, Mississippi. That doesn't come up when you say Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Parents were sitting here this weekend saying the campus's diversity feels so great, it feels like there's no segregation, and we want that for our kid because that's the real world. And then the— this is part of the story, parentheses— the next day Kiffin added, I just hope my comment comes across respectful to Ole Miss.

There are some things I'm saying that are factual. They're not shots. The population of Baton Rouge— and then from the, from the reporter— the population of Baton Rouge is about 51% Black and 36% white. Oxford is about 66% white and 26% Black. So Greg, I'm curious from your perspective, he's adding that in the next day. To me, like, when I first saw the quote, I was like, oh, he's a, he's a shit stirrer, he's full of shit. I don't doubt that this is a conversation that's actually happened with recruits because it sounds plausible, but him saying this is just him starting more shit with Ole Miss. But then when I saw that he added a side the next day saying, I hope my comment is respectful, I was like, I think he's already regretting letting that one slide.

Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, he's responding to the reaction to what he said initially, but I don't think there— I think there was plausibility to it. There was a feeling of truth to what he said. But, you know, my attitude is, why didn't he take action when he was the coach there to remedy that situation in a way that racism Well, look.

Well, yeah, he's got like such a big problem with like racism, but he's still taking millions of dollars. Right. But to be the head coach there.

But few people on any college campus have a bigger megaphone than the head football coach.

What did you want him to do?

I want him to do something like, like if, if he's concerned that grandparents are actually saying change the racist roots of Oxford, Mississippi.

That's what he's getting paid for.

Is he getting paid to coach the offense?

He's getting paid to coach the offense.

But all I'm saying is Tony, he volunteered these comments to a reporter. No, I agree. I agree.

No, no, I understand. But to Greg's point, like, he's not getting paid millions of dollars to fix racism in Mississippi.

Nor can he. But if you're going to say that stuff after the fact—

Correct. No one's also forcing him to say this.

What are you doing about it during the real time when you're actually there in the middle of it? Is there anything to do about it, or are you just saying, oh, sorry, Grandma, No, uh, that, that you're wrong. That's not happening. We're not raising— I don't know. It's just do something then, not after.

Well, to Greg's point, I, I, I would assume that when, when those conversations were coming up, Lane Kiffin was probably giving a defense of Ole Miss and Oxford, and now he's certainly not going to give that defense, right?

I mean, at the time he wants the recruits. After the fact, he can say that's the reason why I left. Left. It's just weird, right?

And furthermore, like, he's willing to take that shot now at LSU when he knows that he needs to have the recruiting advantage against Ole Miss. So this does benefit him to have the appearance that this is something that he cares about. I don't know if he genuinely does. He tweeted like a Make Baton Rouge Great Again hat like, you know, a few months ago from his Twitter account and tagged Donald Trump in it. He doesn't seem— it doesn't seem like this is one of his pet causes. But, um, I agree with Greg that it just, it rings as, as hollow. And then of course after this, like, LSU Purdue fans and Ole Miss fans were having like a who's more racist off online. And in the meantime, Kurt Cignetti was at the White House giving Donald Trump an Indiana jersey. So it was a really fun day on social media.

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This is not, not, not an echo, echo chamber.

Look, she's fighting AI. She's fighting Ultron.

Golub, Mike Golub Jr., please stop using up the environment with that fake AI awfulness.

Surprised that now you're getting in with the environment. That's been sort of left and talked about for a long time.

Jessica, do you have any instances recently where you have gotten your fat on? Oh, do I?

This is a question for Chris Cody. Chris, have you ever ordered takeout but it's just dessert?

Yes, you don't have to answer that, Chris.

Yes, I've done that.

Last night, last night I was walking the dog with Lehman and I was like, I'm really in the mood for dessert, but specifically mango sticky rice. And he's like, that sounds really good. And I was like, all right, I'll order two then because you're not getting any of mine. So I put in an order, picked it up, and I went in there and they were like, what's your order? And I was like, just two mango sticky rices. And the people were like like it kind of seems like it happens all the time, but I've never done that before, so I felt kind of proud of myself.

What is mango sticky rice? Color me intrigued. You've never had, Chris? I mean, I'm just— me and Tony were like, it doesn't sound like a dessert. No, it doesn't.

No, it's sticky rice with like sweetened condensed milk and sweet mangoes, and it's so good. And it's like warm rice. It's so—

they have it down here. You have it?

It's Thai food. It is Thai food. You should come back, Chris. Chris, next time you come to New York, 'cause I know you love New York City so much. I do. I'll show you some spots.

I do. All right. Thank you, Jessica. Appreciate the time.

Nope, there it is. I wonder if that's real mango sticky rice or AI-generated mango sticky rice.

It's a good question. I'm gonna have to have a conversation with the video department. I'm also gonna have to have a conversation with Pablo Torre, who is presently and consistently embarrassing me on a text string with, uh, Method Man. I, I want you guys— he's, uh, Pablo is infringing on a friendship of mine because he wants Method Man to help him do something next week in New York. That's not the part that I'm objecting to.

I am watching again and again as Pablo refers to Method Man as Method. Oh. And I just don't think anyone calls him that. I don't— I believe that people either call him Meth or Method Man. Mr. Man. I, I— or Mr. Man. Clifford. Or Clifford. I don't think anyone's calling him Method. Do I have this incorrect? I've only ever heard him called Meth. So do I have it wrong when I'm looking at this and I keep seeing Method is not correcting him, but I think he should be because I don't think anyone refers to man as method. Man, this wasn't a text string, it would be like M-E-T-H-O-D, man.

Oh, Pablo sometimes needs to, needs to feel like, oh, I need to be proper and I need to be Harvard. And like, method is such a weird thing because I get it's like Method Man, but like, have you heard a Wu-Tang song before? Do you know his work? Do you understand who this is? Have you ever heard anybody call me?

And I feel like Meth is friendly, like, what up, Meth?

But it's also what everyone calls him, right? Like, in fact, more people call him Meth than Method Man, and no one calls him Clifford. But I'd be less embarrassed by Clifford than I am by Method. I'm embarrassed by Method. I'm embarrassed. Hello, Method. But I'm not embarrassed on his behalf, but I'm also embarrassed on my behalf because I allowed all of this to happen. I did not separate these two things, and it's my— it's ultimately my fault that he's embarrassing me. But I need to step in here, do I not? I need to step in on a different string and tell him to stop doing that.

Yeah, you need to mention something. Did he say the thing of like, hey, can I call you XYZ? No, he went straight.

He's done it like 7 times already. He just— it keeps coming up. Yeah, it's not— I don't think it's right. It certainly doesn't sound right to me. How about just, hey man?

Yeah, hey man. Capitalize the man.

You got to capitalize the man. Hey man with a capital M. I don't think there's anything worse than what— well, Clifford might be worse. I don't think you could do Clifford.

That is casual and familiar in a way that's not appropriate.

But Method just sounds like dry cleaning starch. It's just, it's how they're saying it at the Harvard Club. Is that what it is?

It's white guys for sure.

Calling Method Man Method is white guys. Is it? All right, because I'm less sure. White guys! Wah wah wah wah wah! Don Lebatard! You don't remember the idea for the home run call?

I was probably like, "That kind of thing!" Something.

Okay, no, the home run call was, "That kind of swing? That kind of thing!" Stugatz!

Oh, it's a good call.

Thank you. And plus, it doesn't matter who's hitting it. Like, you're not tailoring it to a particular name. Correct. You know, all that jazz. You know, you don't got to do that. Oh, that would be a great call. Swing, that kind of thing.

This is the Don Levitar Show with the Stugatz.

Dan, I have a bit of an update here. I texted my wife about 20 minutes ago, I'm a Pulitzer Prize winner, and she just responded, no way, for real, how?

Wow. I also texted my wife. She said, wow, need that Pulitzer Prize money. Of course. That's where they—

I was like, what are those?

You know, those wives, you know what wives love.

I love what people love.

Yes. Husbands also are big fans of money. I know wives do love— you're correct. Wives do love money, but husbands also love money. I'm pretty sure everybody loves money.

There's a cash prize involved.

There is a cash prize involved.

How much of that? What cut do the— A mean prize.

It's a $15,000 cash prize. And I'm assuming, though I don't know for sure, that Pablo's team is splitting that. I'll have to ask.

I don't know. If I know them, they'll like donate it to charity or something.

Is that Pablo's wife's name?

Oh wow, that's going. Hey, I wanted, uh, is that a comedy like dismount noise or anything? Hey, hey, I want— hey, I like yodeling.

I wanted to get to something here that puts a bow on the lack of knowledge that Greg Cody has about the movies. But I've been having an argument, and I didn't mean to be disrespectful to Jessica if any of you caught me talking to Chris Cody intensely while she was talking, but Chris Cody offered me what was the last music sound, or the last movie sound, and I'm like, that's way too easy, you can't do that, it's gonna just end up in anticlimax.

So I've asked him to bleep out a portion of what it is he's about to play for you to make it slightly harder, because I don't think he can make it quite so easily, uh, that, that it's not bleeped out. So here is your final clue for the day. You've gotten two of them right. You got Wizard of Oz right, your favorite movie, and you got Fight Club because it was mentioned three times in the movie quote. Here is the final, and what would be the easiest but gets a little harder with the bleep out, what would be the easiest of all the movie quotes. Phone home.

Okay, come on, man. Uh, hang on, hang on. Uh, there's been no hanging.

I love the okay.

Uh, I'm just trying to think of the name of it. It's, uh, uh, E.T. Okay. Christopher's giving me a dirty look like, Dad, you should have faked it. No, I don't know.

I'm not saying faked it. It's just like, I just— if I know it, I know I'm happy for you.

And honestly, it took me a minute to come up with the name E.T.

But you just tease us with the—

well, he didn't know. He took him a second. Okay, no, but it, it took him a second because he didn't know. And sometimes he thinks he knows and then he does not know. That one, I— we had to edit out. He says his own name, or he is told by name, E.T.

phone home. And we took that part out.

I had the original. This is what we were going to give you.

E.T. phone home.

Yeah, that might have been— took out the E.T. part just to make it a little more difficult.

Phone home.

What was the thing he sprinkled on the ground? Were those M&M's or another kind of candy? Reese's Pieces, I believe. Reese's Pieces. I knew Roy, Roy's always there. Yeah, that's like an M&M ripoff. Am I right?

Uh, is Reese's Pieces, uh, Hall of Fame snack for all time? Snack candy for all time? No.

M&M's is.

I think you got to put the Reese's Cup in there before. Cup is better than pieces.

Yeah, jelly beans. How about, uh, it—

never mind candy. Uh, if I told you guys that you can only go 4 Hall of Fame snacks for all time, 4 Hall of Fame snacks. You only get 4 choices. You get a Mount Rushmore of snacks as choices. Candy, I don't think is going to make the list on any of the Hall of Fame snacks. I think chips of all kinds, that category obviously goes in. But what are your other—

we're not going more specific. Okay, popcorn or anything? Well, um, I was going to give you the specific chip, but it's fine.

Well, if you go chips though, if you give me specific chips, you're going to end up with a list that's got multiple chips on it, right?

I mean, you're not going to just go Doritos and that's— or, or a plain chip.

You're gonna have your whole list filled out by chips if you go just, uh, Hall of Fame snacks. Let's say only one chip.

If you're doing Mount Rushmore, only one chip. What is the Hall of Fame chip?

Is it sour cream and cheddar? Is it a plain potato chip or is it a Dorito? No, neither.

Jalapeño Kettle.

No, sorry. What are you talking about?

I don't like kettle, too crunchy.

Are you trying to be stupid?

No, I'm trying to give you mine, Tony.

Tony, but it can't be Jalapeño Kettle as a Hall of Fame snack when you only have 4 choices and you're giving the world all of the options. Options. Like, yours is a very specific chip and flavor. Jalapeño chips are the best. Those are— but nobody would select that. Nope, nobody would select that as the Hall of Fame.

Everyone's nodding along with sour cream and cheddar right now. Nobody is. Everyone's nodding. I can see them.

That's a good chip.

Well, wait, oh, thank you. Lay's or is it Ruffles? What a difference. There's a difference.

All right, put it on the poll here, and you're— I'm gonna— now this is gonna get muddled. Best chip?

Dorito? Lay's potato chip plain? Sour cream and onion? Or does that go in the same category as just the Lay's potato chip? Because I would think it's just the potato chip, the— just whatever potato chip you choose on flavor, it's one potato chip. It can't be Ruffles. It can't be right.

So it's potato chip. Yeah, plain salt versus Doritos versus pretzel, right? Like, that's the way to do it. Versus, versus—

now if we go snacks versus like cheese puffs, but if we go nuts, yeah. So what is corn? If we're doing just chips, what are the 4? If we're doing just chips, because is a cheese doodle a chip? No, no, it's a puff. Yeah, unless it's crunchy. A puff is a chip. It's got to be the chip category. A cheese doodle is not a chip.

It's a snack. It's a cheese snack.

Put it on the poll at Levitard Show. Is the cheese doodle a potato chip? Or in the chip category? Potato? No, no, I'm sorry, it's not potato. In the chip category, is the Cheez Doodle in the chip category, yes or no? You said— you said nut.

I'm trying to think of my favorite.

The Frito is a— the Frito is a— is the chip category, correct?

Like, what are you doing? I don't think so. I think Fritos are its own thing. It's a corn— it's a— yeah, that's a corn chip. If anything, it would be with Doritos.

Yeah, chips or potato, that kind of thing. Yeah.

What was that?

Why did you say potato that way?

That's the way my mother and her mother said potato. Number 16, Nelly Doogie. Yeah, potato.

You guys are telling me what else is in the puff category?

What else? When you say— yeah, I know, but when, when you say you guys just made the puff a different category than the chip, and I don't think there's much in the cheese balls category.

Yeah, he's right about that.

All right, that's still puffy.

The Pirate's Booty.

Oh, yep. Yeah, he's out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Magic Dragon.

Overrated sack, for what it's worth. Greg, I'm gonna—

Greg also right. Get him out of here.

What? I mean, you just— you're petering out in a way that has to be punished.

I'm petering in is more like it.

Minor penalty, 2 minutes, personal foul, personal and foul. Frito has to be a chip. The Frito's a chip. Dad, you're supposed to leave.

It's literally a chip. Fritos chips.

It's a corn chip. It's with Doritos.

If you're gonna put it in a category, it's with the Doritos.

Okay, but that's also a chip. All of these are— all of these are chips. I want to know what to put. The pretzel's not a chip, correct? But it's in the chip category of snacks?

Sure, it's in a snack category, not a chip category.

How do we have sub-branches of the snack category that involve the pretzel as a chip or not a chip, the puff as a chip or not a chip, Dorito is not a chip. It's not a chip. It's called a snack. It's a puff.

It's a snack. It has its name. It's a snack.

And a pretzel's not a chip. It's not a snack. It's wheat. It's its own thing. It's gluten. What is— what is the pretzel? The pretzel's a pretzel. It's its own category.

Yes, exactly.

So what are the categories? What are the genres? You got chip, you got pretzel, you got puff. What else? What else? What about the nuts? What about the nuts? Nuts are different.

What? Roy, what's your favorite nut?

Cheese balls are Puffs. Cashew.

Macadamia nut is better. Wow.

Put it on the pole at LeBittard Show.

I prefer sex.