Transcript of Hour 2: Don't Look Now

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We only have an hour left and a Ghost Games show to hunt down Jordan Schultz, a friend of the show, on a verbally accosting Ian Rappaport at a Starbucks in Indianapolis. We need more information on that story. All of us are interested in what the accosting it up.

Now all the nerds at the NFL are all posted pictures of the Starbucks. They're like, I'm doing investigative work here. Like, Oh, I'm going to get down to the bottom. They're all like, I'm an indie, too. Look, I'm at the Starbucks.

I'm so jealous of them.

I want to be there. Yeah.

Have you ever been?

No, I've never been in the combine, but I watch it on TV every year.

Everyone that goes says it's fun.

It's all about what happens after-hours, right? Yeah, the drinking.

Exactly.

Or I like to drink.

Well, I believe this story, the Jordan Schultz, Ian Rapp report story was broken by PFT from Pardon My Take. I believe he was the one inter... Isn't that the one that ended up spreading?

I saw the story that Florio wrote initially, but it may have been the other PFT.

All right, well, let's find out whether it was the real or the fake PFT that broke the story of the combine.

We are primed for a great find here for Dan if it's the actual PFT.

What is it about media fights that makes this something that everyone is interested in. When I told you yesterday that some of the news that came out of the scouting combine because the information people are gathering with the football people, this is a partial list of the news that came out yesterday, that Jamal Chase is going to be the highest non-quarterback in the league. This turned out to be refuted that Gronk was making a comeback. Gronk is denying that, but the Raiders might trade up for Kam Ward.

Is this don't look now? What's happening right now? The Eagles.

The Eagles. We're going to try and get in on Miles Garrett is Don't Look Now.

Hey, are you looking, pal? Stop looking.

Are you looking? You got to stop.

I didn't know that Don't Look Now was just football information.

No, Don't Look Now is mostly football information. At least that's how it's been grandfathered in. If you're trying to jump in and talk right now as an ensemble cast, know that I cannot see you whatsoever.

I guess we're doing Don't look now, even though that's not what I thought we were doing.

We're all not looking, but Dan still is.

Okay, I will stop looking.

Just waiting for Chris to hit the music.

No, that's good. There's no music.

There's no music? Yeah. All right, you tell me when to go. Go ahead.

Why don't you just hit the Duval sound?

Are you looking? No. All right, no one look me in the eye. Dan, this is very easy for you because- Your eyes aren't showing. Don't look now, but there is all There's all sorts of confusion as to what's going to happen with the number one pick. Abdul Carter may have to get surgery now. Now, there was all sorts of whispers and smoke, rumor and innuendo out of the combine that he was positioned to be the number one pick, especially when you saw the Langerie news. But now with this injury and potential surgery, don't look now. But Kam Ward may actually be the number one pick.

Confirmed. That's a good don't look now.

Dan, what would you do with this number one pick? Because this is one of the more complicated number one picks that I can ever remember. There's no consensus number one. It's not a great quarterback class, but we can all agree that Kam Ward is a top it. I know you're a big Kam Ward guy. You have a unicorn that can play on both sides of the ball, and you have a prototypical number 11 from Penn State Pass rusher, those always seem to work out.

Answer while not looking.

Isn't it a bad draft? I mean, the top 10 is good, but doesn't it then get weak after that?

There's no such thing, except for that one time, 2018. But other than that, there's no such thing.

It's a bad quarterback draft, no doubt.

I thought it was a bad draft in general. Did I not hear Adam Schefter say the other day that what you get at number 10 is usually what you'd get at number 35? Isn't that what I just heard Adam Schefter say?

Don't look now, but Mike isn't talking it to the mic.

Don't look now. But Andy Dalton has re-signed with the Carolina Panthers. What? And it's a nice insurance policy behind Bryce Young, but do we have confidence that the Bryce Young that we saw at the tail end of the season is a real Rice Young. I mean, I like this as an insurance policy, no doubt, guys, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

Is it okay if I check my watch while Mike is talking since he can't look now?

Well, he's off Mike and he's looking in the wrong place.

Well, I can hear, so I'm sorry. Thank you for correcting.

Don't look now. It's presented by Smirnov, the world's number one Vaca. Please drink responsibly.

Don't look now, but Eric Bedard has been on 40 line combinations for the Chicago Blackhawks. I'm pretty certain he may not be good anymore.

I'm not going to look at that, but I do want to look at the draft thing- Did I call him Eric Bedard? You did. Yeah, you did.

Eric Bedard. Oh, I'm sorry. It's a Canadian thing.

I've done that, too.

I thought you were doing a Lady Gaga bit, so I just let it go. 2013 was the draft of the last two decades that is considered not the best. Not the best. This one, maybe, but I'm not looking.

Don't look now. But Anthony Richardson and the Indianapolis Colts may be headed for a breakup. The GM was non-committal, and Kevin Clark had a report today from the combine. I had a report today from the combine that they may not be able to fix these issues between these two.

Anthony Richardson has played like what? College and Pro, 20 total starts. How many total starts does Anthony Richardson has before. Don't look now.

I'm not going to look, but I am going to look at my text because PFT commenter confirmed he did break the story.

Oh, wow.

Thank you.

One of my three favorite words.

Don't look now, but there I think we got it, Mike.

Thank you. Yeah, we do have it. Let's check in with some podcast.

Aaron Bodger is going to be going to the New York Giants.

Don't listen now either.

Let's go to some podcaster on podcaster crime here. We've got two very good podcasts that may or may not be feuting with each other. It is what it is with Cam and Mace. You've got Shannon Sharp and Ocho Cinco have Nightcap. Let's play the sound of Cameron going after Ocho Cinco in a way that caught some people off guard yesterday.

I don't really with Chad Ocho Cinco, to be totally honest with you. He all right, but at the end of the day, when we started this show, the night was hate him from the very beginning. We started the show, we was doing very well. It was very successful. We didn't even have no deal, no sponsors or nothing. We was doing this off the muscle. He comes out of nowhere talking about, Yeah, I'm going to get myself back together, and I'm taking Cam's spot. Why the fuck you got to take my spot, though? Because you're talking about you've been a football player your My whole life, now because I'm doing sports, you come take my spot. And at that particular time, we had only been doing the show about two and a half months, three months. But that's how much of an impact that I had, that that feeling felt threatened. You know what I'm saying? Then after that, we tried to call him, shout to my dad, Bob. My dad, Bob, no, so Martino. I tried to get him a job. He like, Yo, talk to my agent. I said, I'm talking to you now with you.

I don't do business like that. I talk to my agent. See, you're so dumb, you can't even speak for yourself, stupid I tried to offer you more paper than you probably getting them. Ask Mark Jackson how he got paid. Ask Mike Irvin how much he got paid. Ask them if they was living lovely off the checks me and murder was sending them. Ask them. I bet you you ain't getting paid the money that Mark Jackson and Mike Irvin got paid working with us. I don't know this for a fact, but ask Mike Irvin and ask Mark Jackson if they get paid lovely. If I threaten them like you, this is why you're going to do the shit you doing. I'm not telling Steven about getting your piece back. Yo, I don't like you, I don't like you. I don't like your whole style is made made, and I don't with you.

What do you mean by that?

That was smoke. Want some pop one?

Oh, my God.

We don't have enough beefs around here. We only do Gary Furman. That's legitimate beef.

Is that why you try to make us beef with each other all the time?

Yeah, that's what you want. You love beef.

I don't need to make you guys beef. You guys beef naturally. Yesterday's my note-taking was interrupted by Jeremy, who's the nicest among us, shouting at Fuentes, You're a short-sighted moron.

That's right.

I was also talking about Mike. This Mike.

So much popcorn on my back right now.

Don't look now.

Is this Dan's special popcorn?

It is not. It's better. What? How dare you?

Chris has so much popcorn in his hood.

Burn. Oh, shit. Let me put my hood on and see how this goes.

How dare you accuse me-Oh, none. Blasphemously of producing that particular popcorn? You'd know it was mine. It would be sprinkled with all sorts of mysteries and magic.

I can't eat popcorn this early in the morning. You can't?

Mike, get away from the computer, please.

Mike, you're all tangled up here.

No, it's not time for it. Turn it up.

Mike, you can look now.

What's happening?

Here is something like...

Stroman.

Is that guy? Mike, get back in your place, man. You're just fouling up everything with your Don't Look Up thing.

You were supposed to tell him he could... Don't look now.

Were we supposed to release him from Don't Look Now? I don't know how this bit works. I don't know what it is.

I have no other cues to take. You're going to have to say it.

Is that interview with the vampire? What do you mean? We have to release you.

I release you. Can you guys tell me whether or not you met yesterday's news of the NFLPA polling of franchises that treat their employees best with a yawn when we celebrated it, when the Dolphins were winning and Mike McDaniel was turning things around. But when you get the reports that yesterday for the second year in a row, the Vikings and the Dolphins are the two teams that treat their employees best, it felt like a more charming story when everyone liked a little bit more what Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins were doing. Now they're under some pressure and heat, and it lands as if maybe he needs to treat the employees a little bit worse.

I mean, yeah, the flip side is the Chiefs having low ratings and ownership for the last couple of years, but they've won several Super Bowl and been in three back to back to back.

They like Andy Reid. What's funny about Andy Reid and the Chiefs is that overall, as an organization, the Chiefs get very bad grades, grades that are comparable to Woody Johnson's, but everyone loves Andy Reid. They're putting all of the fault elsewhere, none of the responsibility on the guy who's responsible for creating the culture.

This is like Ian Carmel, the comedian. He has a stand-up special that's out now, and in it, he talks about all the countries that gave us the best Dumpling also have a history of fascism. It's the same thing. It's like all the organizations that give us great traditions of winning also treat their employees like shit. Maybe that's a prerec. Who knows?

Really? You guys think that you guys are going to do correlation, causation? What are you guys going to do with the idea of... Because Belichick, notoriously, darkness. It was dark and cold. Everything Patriots was dark and cold. You're going to make a link. I guess I could probably do it in football. Maybe I can make a link between the amount of discipline, the amount of iron fist that the players are getting. But I would assume that most players wouldn't like to play under conditions that make it so that Woody Johnson is getting an F, or we're talking about just amenities that feel minor league in some of the instances. In some of the instances, the employees are saying, This doesn't feel like it's professional. It doesn't feel like it's major league. It doesn't feel like I'm at the top of my business.

It's weird, Dan, because I've often thought about organizations that have a lot of resources tend not to operate as efficiently. It's terrible because I hated working for an organization that was cheap and cut corners at every single turn. But I also recognize on some level, man, they made us really good at squeezing every last drop of blood out of a stone. And I think there is a balance between between you got to give people the tools to do their job, make an environment that's healthy, while at the same time, maybe not lavish people with greatness, because at the end of the day, we're talking about paying the ultimate price. The ultimate price is you miss Christmas, you miss Thanksgiving, you miss holidays, you miss birthdays. I can't remember. It was a general manager told me, he's a guy who had a lot of kids, and I said, How do you manage it? And he said, Honestly, one of the things we do is that we don't have anniversary dates, we have weeks. At any point in this general vicinity, we're going to celebrate this. It's not going to be on that particular day because otherwise, if we're staying hard and fast with the day, Honey, this is our wedding anniversary.

Honey, this is your birthday, whatever, then I'm going to miss a lot of them.

I'm shocked by what Amina is saying. He is basically saying that in order to win, you've got a better chance of winning in sports if you're an asshole to your employee. That's what he's saying. That is what you're saying.

More More than that, then, much more dastardly than that, you have a better chance of winning if you're an asshole to your family. If you are not a good spouse, not saying, Oh, carousing and stuff. I'm saying inattentive and you're so ingrained and focused on this right here that it makes you not very supportive. You missed the kids' play, you missed this, whatever. That's probably going to land towards success.

I'm going to text my wife this clip.

If that's your starting point, if I feel like Bill Belichick and say, I don't do birthdays, I don't do anniversaries. This is the life, right? This is the life I chose. It's easy for him to say that, but then the rest of the organization follows suit. I remember a long time ago, I worked with the sons and said, Look around. Everybody here is married. He said, You know what that is? I said, Well, no. I said, Because Jerry's married. Now, there was another organization at the time where the guy at the top was not married. And he said, You could go through the whole front office. None of guys are married. Because the thing is, you can't say, Well, it's my wife's, whatever, when everyone else is like, Well, we're here, we're working.

That's the ultimate price we're talking about. I think anywhere I find competitive people and excellence, I'm going to find a lack of general balance. I think I'm going to find a whole bunch of people who are lopsided. It is very difficult to compete against everybody who's super competitive at being excellent when they're doing things that give them life balance and you're consumed by your job every day. But I'm talking about two different things there. I'm not talking about life balance. You're actively saying, you're saying that there is a link, I'm going to win more if my employees have to make sacrifices that make them feel unappreciated in their environment because, say, the amenities in the kitchen are less than the dolphins or the Vikings have?

I'm saying that the things that we call a bad place to work. Sometimes it's, Oh, my God, my boss treats me like shit. And then sometimes it's just, We didn't have Thanksgiving Day off. And I'm like, Yeah, because we're playing on that day. That's why we didn't have it off. And if you're going to be someone who holds on to those things because a regular person, a normal person, does have those flexibilities, it would make for a shitty place to work. But also, in the In the sense of Paul Abdul, maybe this is in the place for you.

Well, this is also why sports is such a different thing than so many other industries, because ultimately, most of the most successful individuals that we've ever seen in sports are also giant assholes. Michael Jordan is not necessarily known as this Kumbaya, super cool to hang out with type of guy. He's also someone who had to be pretty miserable through the experience of being one of the greatest in the world. Because even though you're being lavished with praise and money, we've seen all the videos that came out in The Last Dance and Otherwise where he's talking about how miserable it is to be Michael Jordan. So this is whether it's organizationally or individually, you're dealing with people who, if they're that competitive to be the very greatest, are probably also asking souls.

In a weird way, this conversation ties together this whole show today because Michael Kosta tells us about that misery of rooting against someone's success. Timothy Chalamey talking about, I want to win this. I want to be known as one of the greats. That place all coming together, right behind Jeremy, is a cardboard cutout of Pat Reilly. It's cardboard? No, it's a statue. Excuse me. Pat Reilly, I remember talking these years and years ago, the video coordinators in Miami, where I was like, Hey, you're going to go out? It's like, No, I got to get back because Pat calls the office line in the video room at 6: 00 in the morning to make sure they're in there. I said, But it's August. He It doesn't matter. If that is your workplace, then, does that sound like a cool place to work, great work-life balance? No. But if I ask you any organization in this league, regardless of the talent on the court, the way they run it, who runs the most championship culture organization in this league, you'd point to the man behind Jeremy right now.

Well, but this is the thing, though, that I, later in life, as I have spent a lot of time examining where it is that I've been competitive and discarded some of the things later in life that I think I had backwards on how competitive I should be. I have talked to so many athletes and coaches, and a regret I hear all the time is I wish I'd enjoyed it more while I was doing it because I was so threatened by the number of people around me who were coming after and wanting the same things, and we're talking my livelihood and feeding my family that I couldn't enjoy it. Now you're sitting here, you're attaching it to winning. You're saying the worse I treat the employees, the better off I am as a team, the more likely I am to have success. You're making it a correlation. You're making it causation.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying many of the things that make you successful would be to normal people unacceptable as a work environment.

I would argue that that might be shifting. That's the history of this. That's the history of this because those types of things and how you motivate an individual that you need to succeed is generally changing. We've seen it with some of the entitlement, for lack of a better word, that we talk about with some of these young individual stars. How do you motivate the people in your workplace? That's shifting, obviously, in workplaces like this and elsewhere. But in the sports avenue, it is shifting ever so slightly. And that's why when you find guys It's like Cooper Flag that we talk about as these competitive asshole maniax, everyone salivates over them because that mold of person is also shifting.

Let me ask you guys this as it relates to our environment, because we've been talking about for a couple of weeks here, I thought you guys wanted a loose reign. I think most people listening to this would think that they would want to work in this environment. But this environment has a general lack of consequences. I'll give you one example, okay? I've been saying for I don't know how many years now that I would like people to wear costumes and-Oh, you're talking about this environment? Well, I'm talking now about this environment. Yeah, I'm talking now about what makes people successful and an absence of consequences. I assume that if tomorrow, and this would be funny, it would be a funny way, if I fired somebody for the first time, and the reason was not wearing a costume, I imagine that then people would then wear their costumes and the audience would get the payoff from the grid of death punishment.

I also imagine a lot of people wouldn't want to work here.

Agreed, but it would be better. It would be better as a show if we got the costume. That's my point.

It would be better as a show if we got a costume but let go of an employee.

It doesn't matter if Chris Cody's kid has health insurance anymore. You should have just dressed up that day.

That is correct. But the show would be better to a means point.

It would not be better if we lost Chris Cody.

No, the show would be better if that day, costumes were worn, and then the show would get better every time costumes are worn. I'm saying that a means point on this one would be, yes, people would like to work here less, but you might get a better result on consequences and accountability because we do have those problems here. They're legion.

What's the price you want to pay? That comes down to what price are you willing to pay? And ultimately, I'm talking for sports. I don't know from a media company because I don't even know what wins or losses are.

It's The argument to have is, do you get better results from your employees if you make it a nice, comfortable place to work or if you make it an uncomfortable place to work and your results oriented? Jessica, I understand what you're saying. It's the environment that I've pledged myself to. How comfortable and nice do you think the environment is?

Maybe this shouldn't be a conversation for on air, but I would argue that you think it's a lot more comfortable and nice from your vantage point than a lot of us do from ours.

But when it comes to costumes, this one's pretty simple. I'll give you costumes.

Well, don't you worry, Dan. We have a plan in place for costumes every other week until we get to football season.

Did you ask for anything yesterday?

That's a good question.

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Pat on the back. Thank you.

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Are you saying, Don't look now, but costumes are coming?

Is that what's being alleged for the first time now, costumes are coming?

By the way, I just want to point out something for the audio listeners. In the middle of this very serious conversation we had, Mike started looking behind Pat Reilly because he wanted to see if there was a Steve Kerr statue behind him.

We cut away from it, right? When How did he got to it.

You want to ruin the show with this already? Oh, my God. We only have 15 minutes left. You want to get into it?

Legitimately loud because he put on the Don't Look Now blindfold and just started bumping around back there.

Lewis just said, In my ear, maybe set up the bit correctly. Also hostile work environment. That's just the commentary that I just got in my ear. Maybe some accountability.

You got preview screens, pal.

I heard what Amin said, and I wonder... I know that the audience, you've heard me say before, sports fans want their team to be run by the boss they themselves would not like to have. Amin is telling you that basically, the more miserable the work environment, the more likely I am to get the results that I want in sports.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying some of the things that will be asked of you, many people will consider to be miserable. Now, I work for Steve Phoenix. Steve Kerr is not a taskmaster. He is a people person. He's a great motivator, great leader. As a result, I worked a lot. I worked 15-hour days, and I never complained about it. I worked every single day. I think there was a stretch of, I want to say 800 days in a row I came to work in shape or form or fashion. It wasn't because Steve Kerr was like, You'll get fired if you don't, but it is because I understood it to be, This is the cost of doing this. This You want to be a part of this thing and you want this thing to be successful. This is what is expected of you. Now, I'm like, This is great. I work with Steve Kerr, I work with Alvin Gentry and David Griffin, all these great people, and Steve Nash and Grant Hill. I'm living my dream. But I know I could... Holy shit. Scared the shit out of me.

It would be better if he didn't interrupt you while you were talking, but continued.

It could have hit Dan first. But you can't see, so. Oh, that's true. That's a good point. Don't look now.

But the-Is he still tied to the headset in the other room? How long is that possible? That cord is going to break and hit someone in the head. That cord cannot be this long that it allows him to be stuck to things. Is it still interfering with your board over there? You don't get the show. Is it still knocking over buttons and stuff? You were saying-What I was saying was, Dan, as I describe that life to people, I know there are plenty of people who are like, That's ridiculous.

What do you mean 800 days in a row? What do you mean 15 hour days? What do you mean? And they can't accept that. I was like, I would hate working there.

It doesn't make sense that he would be standing over there and knocking over the Tony music, I don't think.

It is time now for a weekly update on our favorite team. No, no, no.

How deep are we digging for these sounds? Because some of these sounds I've not heard in years.

White Woman.

Canon Ball.

All right, we need to stop doing that. It's long past annoying.

Mike, you need to look now.

Yeah, you need to... I Are we going to get Jordan Schultz? Because he was a friend of the show, and now he's running away.

He told Monday.

It's a little late.

If it's Monday, it better be an exclusive.

Everyone's going to have fed at that particular trough by Monday. That's not going to do us any good.

To be fair, he's at the combine, so it's a little harder for him to get loose in order to do a hit. But yes, I'm with you guys. That would suck if he gave it to PFT, for example, who is there. Maybe we should have someone there. Jessica, how fast can you get to the combine?

I can get you Charles McDonald right now.

Jessica, you're articulating an envy that everyone is at St. Elmo's in Indianapolis at an What is the fun that you're getting off of this event that I'm not seeing? Is it just being around the whiff of football?

I'm just getting FOMO. I'm getting text messages all night with updates on this silly story, and I wish I was there to gossip about it in person.

Do all of you wish that you were there? The scouting combine is something that fills you with yearning and ogling?

Also, I want to see Ola and men on Sunday.

I'd like to go once. That'd be cool. Check out the scene.

The reality Dan, is that they go out and they get hammered every night. It's a very collegial atmosphere. We have all of these people. We all cover the same sport. We all know. It's like their version of Summer League, I guess. You go out and you drink every night, basically.

When did Armstead, Theron Armstead, the Dolphins' Left tackle, when did he run at the combine? It would have been, I guess, probably 10 or 11 years ago. I don't know what his height and weight is, but he ran a 4. 7. 1, which I think remains the fastest time an offensive lineman has ever run at the combine.

He is listed at 6. 5, 304 pounds.

The scouting combine produces a lot of athletic freak numbers. Was it worthy who had the fastest 40 time in the history of the combine? Because these guys have gotten so good at the clinicsics of running the 40 well or testing well, whether it has anything to do with football or not.

4. 21 seconds was that record, but this was just brought up. Did you guys see Pacman Jones with McAfee the other day? Pacman is almost 40 years old. He ran like a 4. 5-40. 4. 5-1, I want to say. That's insane for a 40-year-old who has been through that sport and had the beating that he's had to be able to just get up and say, Yeah, I can run a Almost a 4: 40.

From the numbers that we just discussed, I don't know if the most stunning thing in any of the numbers is the fact that the fastest combine time ever is worthy and that half a second later is when Armstead finishes the 40-yard dash as a left tackle. That the difference in speed between the fastest guy in the sport and the fastest guy testing at the combine and a left tackle is half of a second.

Half a second is like an hour at the 40-yard dash.

You think any of us could come within a half second of 4. 7. 1 of what Armstead is running? To hear an offensive lineman at 4. 7. 1 is a total insanity.

By the way, he also has a 34 and a half-inch vertical jump. That is insane for an offensive- Can we play the sound, please, of Mike McDaniel talking this week about what it is that the dolphins need?

Because the idea that the dolphins are still after... I've spent this entire century listening to the dolphins talk about how they have to improve along the offensive line.

I'm excited because I think we have a tangible opportunity to improve, and that starts in free agency with a couple of guys that we have targeted that you think that you can get a deal done with them. And that continues into the draft. I think it's a very good time to have some need, and it's time for us to invest in that position excited to. And that can come. I would expect it to surface itself in both free agency in the draft. Man, it's so funny how he rubs me the wrong way now. I used to love hearing him talk, and now it just annoys me. I have heard this from him and the GM every offseason for the last five seasons. It's like, oh, we got options in free agency. We're going to look at the draft. Yeah, no shit. How about you actually get someone, though, this time? It's always this statement, and then they spend a third round pick on a guard that stinks, and that's all we do.

We knew His stick would get old. We all knew one day you're not going to find this guy so cute.

God, was he charming at the beginning?

We got there.

I just got there in this clip. I'm telling you, before the clip, I was still good with McDonald. During that, I'm like, I've heard this for five years. Done with it.

He's not coming to heat games anymore, huh? No, not as much. He used to come, he was the bell of the ball, a sick courtside.

You guys know how all this stuff is copycat in that league. We've talked before about how innovation ends up being something that is forced upon the League because somebody is a front runner. The Philadelphia Eagles just changed how people win at football, correct? I understand that this has been true since the beginning of time, but we had a space-age movement to all the the young coaches, all the guys throwing quick routes and scheming, and then they go back to, No, we're just going to maul you. We're just going to maul you with our offensive linemen, and we're going to have Siriani do it, and we're just going to... Saquon Barkley is going to run down your throat. Does this mean that we're going to go now to watching teams try to out offensive linemen, everybody? Because one of the big news items that came from the league, from the scouting combine, was A team has complained about the push push. A team wants it banned. And then Diana Rusini reported, That team is the packers. The packers have said that they don't want that play to exist in the sport. The Eagles, and a lot of people say, If you don't want us to run the play, stop it.

But I'd argue the push push is bad for that sport. I would argue, I don't want my customers to be entertained by four Scrum scrums a game when I've only got 11 minutes of action and four of them are going to be stupid rugby scrums that not only can injure people, but are just, We are going to try and get six inches because you can never stop us from getting six inches. That's not entertaining. If what you care about is made for television product, that is not something your customers are going to like.

I'm going to be the football ignorant person in the room. A, how often does that happen? B, how many teams are actually good at it? We know the Eagles are good at it, but is anyone else- Bills.

No, not. Bills are really good at it. Well, their season ended because they weren't good enough at it at the end.

Well, teams were stopping it, especially in the playoffs. Kansas City had success stopping it against Buffalo, Washington, Washington had success, and it gave us a very memorable repeated offside in which the referee was threatening them. But they had success within that game, made Philadelphia uncomfortable and do different things. Ultimately, I think that the league just got to get better at stopping it.

What can you outlaw the pushing behind a player? Because a quarterback sneak, you can't take out of the game.

Did you think Goldberg's streak was bad in WCW? Because this is an unstoppable thing. The second that someone's going to stop it in a crucial moment, you're going to be thankful for this narrative going into that moment.

It's this crazy, unstable play because they're so good at it and they practice it a lot.

You say it's unstoppable, but it's been stopped.

For the Eagles, specifically.

No, but they have also been stopped. I understand that they're exceptional at it and they don't get stopped very much. I'm just talking about what is entertaining and what's not entertaining. Already, you've got too many of these games are 1917. Already, there's too much. There's been a reworking that makes the defenses, they've caught up some to the offense But they're running this on like, fourth and one.

So it's like, okay, yeah, maybe it's not entertaining, but a fourth and one handoff for a one-yard game, that's not the most entertaining play either.

Oh, but they've been doing it for a while now.

You're long for a fullback dive. Power-o. They just found a creative way to do something we always saw. The Tom Prady was unstable at the quarterback's knee.

I would agree with you if they did what I've wanted them to do forever, which is do it the whole way down the field. All drive. Three yards at a time. Push, push, push, Push Push, first down. Push Push Push, first down.

All breaks no gas.

All the way to the end zone.

Then is there a play action for Push Push you could do and just go deep for 50 yards?

You say that, but it's how the Eagles played this year. Metapherically, the way that they played this year was, Saquon's going to do that.

Saquon, Saquon, Push Push. Saquon, Saquon, Push Push.

I'm asking you, every year you've seen-Don't look now, play action. You've seen reactions to actions in that sport.

Someone said the magic words.

He's back, baby.

I didn't want him back. I don't want Mike wandering around.

He's giving me Count Orlock, and I don't like him.

I'm for Guillermo.

You must bounce on it.

That TikTok.

Crazy style.

He is on right now.

Where is... Is he in the... He's in the kitchen now?

He's in the eating area.

I just hear people screaming out there.

They're running out of the way because he's just bumping into things. Thankfully, we don't have an oven. We have hot plates. We do have hot plates, and it's low. It's around lunchtime, too. Oh, remember that?

Just empty it. Empty the clip. I mean, I got 20 seconds of show left, and I couldn't do anything with offensive Lyman. He wants to wander around. Got you. He just fell. I'm going to fire somebody today. I am going to fire somebody and watch everybody be wearing costumes. It still got you us right? Holy shit.

It still got you us right.

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