Transcript of Local Hour: If It Wasn't For Me

This is the Dan Levatore Show with the Stugats podcast.

Two spitting incidents in a week. I don't think America knows there have been two spitting incidents in sports. Or are there three spitting incidents? You guys are giving me a third spitting incident?

Dan, there was a second spit on Thursday Night Football that we have identified. So three, two in one game.

Dak started it. Oh, hold on a second.

I didn't even know about this. I was talking Luis Suarez. I was talking about the Luis Suarez thing from Sunday that got missed because everybody was watching Notre Dame, Miami, and Inter Miami didn't do anything about that. And the League didn't do anything about that. And I wonder what's going to happen to Jalen Carter here. Now, I'm going to preface this. I make this mistake all the time. I'm going to preface this by saying, Obviously, you shouldn't spit in anyone's face. And it's super strange to have it happen the way that it happened last night, where they haven't even played any football ball yet. But if you're going to start the season in a way that gets my interest, do it that way as a symbol, where Philadelphia and Dallas hate each other so much that Philadelphia's best defensive player is costing himself the game, the first game of the season, because he so badly wants everyone to know that that quarterback is someone I spit in your face. I spit in your face because I'm that disrespectful.

Well, that's what it appeared to happen. We later found out Dax spit first. He started it. Dax started it with a spit, so it was a retaliatory spit that led to the ejection. Now, is there a difference between spitting at someone's feet, which is what Dax did? I don't believe Dax spit reached him. It was just more of the disrespect.

There for sure is a difference between spitting at someone's feet and spitting in their face.

It's still an insult in some culture, spitting in somebody's feet.

I'm not saying it's not an insult.

Dan, the images that we have online are pretty damaging. It's like Dak stepped up into the pocket and made sure that the Eagles players the disrespect by spitting at the ground. That is how, back in the old days, certainly in Looney tunes, that people would display their lack of respect for somebody.

Jose Fernandez once led a bench's clearing scuffle because he hit a home run, and he spit as he was rounding third base, and Brian McCann took none too kindly to that. Fun police. Yeah. Then everybody cleared the benches, and there was pushing around, a lot of stuff.

I'm actually surprised that Brian McCann McCann, he had a pretty good career in a difficult spot, a difficult position to play. It seems physically demanding. Had a pretty good career. And yet what I associate the name Brian McCann with is other people can't have fun, wants to be vigilant about protecting sportsmanship in a way that's really repressed. Is Jalen Carter, because of the size of last night, because you're opening the season, is Jalen Carter going to have this stick to him in a way that makes it the thing people remember about him? Because Roberto Alomar, when I think of Roberto Alomar, he's a Hall of Fame baseball player. And the first thing I think of with Roberto Alomar is, Oh, that's the guy who spit in the face of an umpire. When you do something like this, I don't... Luis Suarez basically has had a majestic soccer career, but what I think with him, it's multiple incidents, so it's not one, but I just think of bad behavior. Is this going to stick to Jalen Carter that way? Because And the spitting in the face is such a profound disrespect that I don't think that this is in any way going to be something that you find near Dak Prescott the rest of the way.

But because Jalen Carter got ejected from the game because it was so strange where everybody's wondering to themselves, how the hell does the season start that way?

Dan, what are we doing already? You're ruining football Fridays. You're doing Jalen Carter legacy. The game It was awesome until the weather ruined everything. We had multiple fights, multiple spits. Everybody was scoring every drive. Beautiful passes. Jalen Hertz is running everywhere. Cowboys don't look that bad. So many talking points, but I did fall asleep once Mike I said, We should be playing ball around 11: 30.

You got to roll the dice there. Just keep the game going, no? Yeah.

I mean,. Just a Minor League baseball game that one time.

I'll roll the dice.

I saw a video. I can't tell anymore for what's real and what's AI. But I saw a video a couple of days ago. See if you guys can find it, tell me whether it's real or not, of somebody in the middle of a golf swing being hit by the golf swing being hit by lightning, and then that person just flying off of your screen. That was Caddie Shaq. Oh, that's what I was watching. That's right. It wasn't AI. It was a 1979 movie.

I was disappointed to learn that Dak instigated it because he gave us an all-time Can you believe this guy? To the ref, when he spit on him, he just played it so cool. You'd think there'd be rage there. He just looked to his left. He was like, Can you believe this guy just spit on me? But it turns out he started it. That's why he played it so cool because he was expecting it because he knew he spit first.

Instead, he's just taking a page out of Eddie Guerrero's playbook. The referee's looking the other way. I'm the person that did it. Next thing you know, he's on the ground with a sealed chair and egg. So I'm like, DQ winner.

You said he was expecting it, and I thought you were going to say he was expecterating it, and that would have been shocking coming out of your mouth. But because of the way that you started made me wonder, the way that you guys have framed the entire thing, if this was genius by Dak Prescott. The ultimate game plan, the thing the quarterback doesn't want is pressure up the middle. The thing that guy provides more than anybody on that team is pressure. When you look at what Dak Prescott did at the very beginning of the game, after that spit lands on his face, he's got to be feeling pretty good about himself that he's just eliminated the thing that was among the most problematic things in the game plan headed into the game by getting him ejected by spitting at his feet. That part is sinister. If you're telling me Dak Prescott is that good at stoicism, that he could have planned that out. I know how to get Jalen Carter. Watch how I disrespect him, and the retaliation is going to get him right out of the game.

Classic Eddie Guerrero. You're You're only the second person that I ever heard use the term expecterating, the first being Gaston from Beauty and the Beast.

You've never heard that?

No, but I do know Gaston is especially good at it.

I came in here today, and Billy looks at me and he says, I think I'm on team Balmer now.

That's somewhat of a misrepresentation of what I said. I said, Is it crazy that I think I might believe Steve Balmer? I'm not.

That is exactly what Dan presented to the audience.

No, it's a massive gulf that has jumped over. You were much stronger in your conviction earlier. No, no, no. This is an evil, conneival-sized gulf that Dan has just leaped over. This is Fallacies and Falshids again? Listen, I'm I was saying, I saw his interview and I thought, You know what? This seems like a guy that could not know what's going on at any point in time. I believe that he could actually be confused and just not know how $50 million of his ended up somewhere. Because, reminder, he's a multibillionaire. So $50 million, while that is a lot of money to everyone, it's not to him. So it would be like if I had $5 in my pocket and then I found it in the dryer two weeks later or whatever, and I was like, Oh, I forgot to even had that $5. This guy was like, Oh, tree's out here, whatever. $50 million, tax write off, whatever. I don't care. And I was listening to him talk to Ramona. I was like, Yeah, this guy seems confused about what's going on here. I think I might believe that he just doesn't know what's happening.

He could, even though he's been dubbed one of the greatest investors ever. He does pull off like a bumbling idiot type of guy. But I'm on Team Balmer now, too, for a complete- I'm not ready to make that statement. I I'm entrenched now, team Balmer. And it's not even so much for what you describe, though I can follow your logic. I'm on Team Balmer now because I'm decidedly anti-Pablo. After this episode, this naval-gazing episode, Dan, that he did with Mark Cuban. Let me play clip, and I will throw this out there to the audience. You will hear this clip. You will hear Pablo, who is having a moment and feeling himself almost rightfully so. But the way that he lands this clip will also get you on Team Balmer.

He found somebody who would keep a deal for his most important player who he needed to pay above the salary cap to the tune of $28 million secret so successfully that he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for me.

He hit him with that Scooby-Doo, Dan. He hit him with that Scooby-Doo.

I'm on team Balmer now.

That he would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for me.

First of all, that should be a wee. There are a lot of people working on that.

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Pablo leads all of podcast broadcasting in reading while smiling. If you listen to ESPN Daily, he sounds like he's having the time of his life.

Stugats. Coming up next, I'm going to tell you the Savannah Bananas are changing faces. How do you know Savannah Bananas? How do you know I'm smiling?

That's how I find my vocal range. Sometimes I just say, Savannah Bananas. Savannah bananas.

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Did Steve Ballmer in the interview? First of all, I don't think people know how hard it is to do what Pablo just did, and it's usually not worth it because it's really hard to find out these kinds of things, prove them, get them through legal. And it's really hard to get the sixth richest man in the world to scamper to wherever Ramona Shelburne is, whether that was Los Angeles or Bristol, Connecticut, but to tell everybody how mad and sad he is about this. But you guys would agree that in that interview, Balmer looked like a serial killer many years removed from the crimes in jail. They found him after family DNA tests, and he is stoically giving the interview, just physically, on how it is that he looks. He looks like the interviews you've seen from jail from the guy who just has no remorse about all the terrible things that he's done to get in jail.

When he says, If it wasn't for me, it gives off journalism. When I think journalism, and this is more of a compliment than it's going to sound like to Pablo. When I think of what a journalist looks like, I think a Jim DeFidi. That's right. That's a journalist. That's someone who's given everything to his craft. And by the way, Louis found the greatest photo of Jim DeFede that I've ever seen. Jim DeFede is a great journalist. That smirk right there.

That's thin DeFede. That's current.

That's current right there. That's current DeFede. Glasshouse. Let Billy Cook.

When Jim's in the field, that's not what he's looking like. He's got his sleeve rolled up to his forearm. He's getting to the bottom of these stories, Jim DeFini is, okay? Pablo's walking around with a quarter zip on and some shoes with tigers on them, probably, and it's like, okay. And he's like, I'm here to find out. Okay.

If it wasn't for me. Oh, and hitting him with the Scooby-Doo. Are you doing that just because Steve Ballmer does look like a villain that's under a mask in that cartoon?

Well, I believe he doesn't know what's going on. I also believe that should Pablo disappear, he's still be like, I don't know what happened to that guy. What could have happened? I don't know.

How is Pablo's brand such that he makes the billionaire likable?

It was a curious choice, I thought, for Mark Cuban to do all of the things.

Oh, come on, guys. That's not him in the field, but that's closer. That's Jim DeFede for those listening to the podcast. Not flattering photo.

It's an old photo of Jim DeFede. I was not body-shaming Jim DeFede before. I was just saying that the photo that I saw of Jim DeFede as Billy described, a journalist that perhaps all of America might not know because he's a South Florida journalist.

Well, because journalists, you don't know. You know the story. Journalists don't make the story about them. Not that I'm making that comment about anyone.

But what you showed me about Jim DeFede, the The picture that you guys just showed me looked healthier than any Jim DeFede that I've seen. And so I was happy to see that today's Jim DeFini is thinner than yesterday's Jim DeFini. That's all I'm saying, that Jim DeFini is so good. Look, do you know how good you have to be at what it is that you're doing for television to allow heavy people to do their jobs? I'm living proof. Don't look at me with judgment. I'm living proof. Don't look at me as if I don't know what I'm talking about here. I'm a fat pioneer.

Let Billy be funny with the Jim DeFeedi, and we move on.

I wish, yeah, I wouldn't have mentioned Jim DeFeedi by name. I didn't want this to be like a Jim DeFeedi fest.

Let that be a lesson. Don't spackle with the funny. Yeah.

Fat people wouldn't be on TV if it wasn't for me. I want to get to some of the Balmer and Pablo stuff. Another episode dropped, and it's not another Pablo. It's just another episode of Pablo Tori finds out he did not drop another Pablo.

Pablo.

No, he didn't do one of those. He just talked to Mark Cuban, and they argued for an hour. But I was really curious as to why Mark Cuban would do any of that, because he's not as informed as Pablo on this subject. Pablo has done work here that is exhaustive. It's seven months of work. These things are very difficult to do. Mark Cuban just comes over with a parasol and says, Why don't you take the time to do this? It made me wonder if he's projecting on, Man, I don't I don't want anybody looking in here in these spaces, and I want future deniability if people start looking in these spaces because I know how it is basketball is able to be the business that it is. What I'm about to say when you hear me forever lamenting the stupidity of the salary cap, Juan Soto makes $750 million. That's what happens when you leave the owners to their own devices. That's what happens. If you don't think Mahomes and are worth what Juan Soto is worth.

You sound a little like Samson. Yeah, that's what happens. Players actually get their value if you don't cap this sport. People are going to circumvent the salary cap. We've seen it happen before. We've seen it in that sport before. Hell, as Pablo pointed out on this episode, it happened to Mark Cuban as a result of the whole DeAndre Jordan's Clippers pursuit. Remember locking him in that office, putting the door there? It was a great moment in Twitter history. There was a a car sponsorship that ended up getting the Clippers fined for that pursuit. So he was actually a victim of the Clippers circumnavigating some salary cap roles, too. It does feel like Mark Cuban, if you want to be sinister about it, was protecting the overall club that was the billionaire Owner Club.

Owners can't know everything is what he was fighting for.

But I was happy to discover that Mark Cuban, despite how we've talked about him on this week's shows, is still very How much an owner of the Dallas Mavericks owns a pretty large percentage at 27 %.

I don't think you're trying to present it this way, but it's coming off very anti-player and players getting paid what they're worth, the way you're saying the salary cap is there to protect the owners. It's really there to punish the players. The players are really the ones that are the victims of the salary cap.

How am I coming out like I sound against the player? I'm saying the salary cap is a stupidity. I understand why it is the players would collectively bargain what they feel like is partnership that isn't partnership with their league. But the discrepancy I'm giving you there that Juan Soto makes $750 million. When I hit you with that in the face, go ahead, tell me what LeBron- You're positioning it as an irresponsible use of money.

We need a salary cap to protect the owners paying players. Look, Juan Soto, of all people, makes $750. We can't have that. We need to have billionaires.

I'm saying... Okay, thank you for the correction if I miscommunicated. What I'm saying is the reason stuff like this happens is because the Balmers of the world don't like confinements when they're competing and competitive people will look in every crevice and every corner for where it is their advantages are. So if I legislate equality, what does Balmer do? He buys the biggest staff he can buy because there are no limits there on leadership positions. He does all sorts of things with his money to try and gain those advantages. If I remove the salary cap, the way he would win that game is by being someone like Stevie Cohen is with the Mets, where he'll just make all the other owners mad at him because he gets whomever he wants. And so what you would see in basketball and football is LeBron and Patrick Mahomes making a lot more than Juan Soto. Can you guys just get me LeBron James' career earnings so that I know if LeBron James has indeed earned more than Juan Soto in his career? I would assume he'd earned at least that much, but maybe not.

So what you're saying is billionaires don't like regulations.

That is what I'm saying.

But also, who cares? Who cares if the billionaires go and spend a lot of money on the players and the players make more? You're using Steve Cohen as an example. He spent a lot of money. It's been great for players. It's been great for all of MLB because it raises what the market is. And even in giving them all that money, the Mets aren't going to win the World Series this year, more likely than not. I mean, maybe they get hot, but it's not like they have this great advantage over everyone else. If anything, the Dodgers is nasty what they're doing, where they're paying Shoheya a million dollars a year, $2 million a year, and stretching that out over the next 30 years, they're skirting around it worse than I think the Mets are doing. The Mets are just giving everyone their money up front If they're good, they're good. If not, they're not. But everyone gets their money. I don't think that the salary cap in the NBA is really leading to the parody that they're parading around that it is.

But I'm not... Just to be clear, okay, I'm anti-salary cap. I want these owners spending so that the players get their actual worth. It's not what's happening. What they're doing, because they can't control themselves, they've built a system that allows for fixed costs because they can't control themselves. I don't want them to control themselves. I want the players making what Juan Soto is making because it removes the lie of, We can't afford this. It removes everywhere the lie that sports isn't as profitable as it actually is. Basketball and football have restrictions on the players that make it. So LeBron James made what, Jeremy, in his career?

Through 2025, he has made $528,695,302.

So think about that. Think that Juan Soto's contract, even if he doesn't play the last five years of it, even if it gets hurt today. If Juan Soto gets hurt today and never plays again, he makes 200 million more than LeBron made for a career that's six years longer than Juan Soto's contract. That's what I'm saying. That's stupid. It's only because these bombers of the world who might be decent at crisis management but aren't great at controlling themselves when they're competing against other people who won't control themselves and they want to win because they've got monster egos.

Dan Levatard. How are you, Captain Slappy?

Stugatz. Is this Chumbucket?

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Let's play here for people our famous Steve Ballmer clip that we've been

Come on. Give it up for years since really, I think this might have been the time that I was introduced to Steve Ballmer, because it's not like I was sitting here thinking about Microsoft at the time that this happened.

Ladies and gentlemen, Steve Ballmer. Come on.

Who said soon? Who said soon?

Who said I have four words for you.

I love this company. Yes. That arm pit stain. He did a good job in removing the cul-de-sac and going totally bald. He looks more like an executive executive these days than he did there. A little frumpy and early in the career, and now able to go on television and make us all team Balmer, just because Pablo's out here saying, All of this would have stayed secret, if not for me. It's totally obnoxious, is it not? We all reacted to it the same way. I want to get back to the football from last night, and I don't know about you guys because Philadelphia beating Dallas isn't any surprise. I suppose if you're going to be surprised is that Dallas was able to keep it close. But the starting of the season with the disrespect of let's spit back and forth in each other's faces. When you guys think of acts of disrespect that have been in sports or that you have seen video of or outside of sports, I learned, I don't know if you guys knew this at the time, that in some cultures, the throwing of a shoe at somebody is a sign of disrespect.

And so the way that I learned that as an insult was when I watched George Bush, who really surprised me with his reflexes. Go ahead and play that for us, if you can get it, please. George Bush with his reflexes, just very quickly avoided the throwing of shoes. When you guys think- And had a similar smirk after to Dack of like, Can you believe this guy? Have you guys When you guys think of acts of disrespect that you have seen that have not resulted in any actual harm except to that American flag behind him, when you think of acts of disrespect, what rivals the spitting in the face? Because I can't believe that we have two of these incidents in five days. And by the way, Zaslow is saying much stronger than he said on this- What's he saying? He said on this show, After seeing the tweet from Inner Miami after Luis Suarez spit on a Seattle Sounders staffer's face, Inter Miami sent out the tweet, Inter Miami condems the altercations that took place following the conclusion of the League's Cup final. These actions do not reflect the values of our sport, and we remain committed to upholding the highest standards of sportsmanship, both on and off the pitch.

We are working closely with Leagues Cup and MLS officials to ensure the situation is addressed appropriately. We thank our fans and community for their continued support. Zazla Carlos says, Inter Miami is so full of shit. If you condemn the actions, notice they didn't even mention Suarez spitting, you suspend them. They don't actually condemn anything. This team is an embarrassment. Then he follows up with four days it took to condemn spitting in someone's face. Ridiculous team. He got me wrong. The league didn't do anything either. I'm assuming it's just because nobody wants to piss off Messi, right? Messi is so powerful in that sport that no one wants to piss off Messi. Is there another good explanation for why it is that everyone would run scared? There's going to be discipline on Jalen Carter. I mean, there was discipline on Jalen Carter. He was immediately ejected from the game. I don't know if there's going to be more discipline on Jalen Carter.

Well, in the absence of an actual statement from the league, you're left to theorize. And as many fans are, Inter Miami, once again, getting the benefit from MLS because no one wants to anger the biggest star in the league. That is a prevailing theory out there. And it's hard to dissuade people from that opinion when right now there isn't enough rough punitive measure.

Jalen Hertz said after a word of Jalen Carter spitting, It's something we can learn from when you're three years old. That's when you learn that. Two years old. That's when you learn, Don't spit in somebody's face. That's not something adults learn from.

We don't have video of it, but J. R. Smith threw soup at somebody.

I'd rather that. I'd rather have soup thrown at me than someone spit at me. I don't know. Soup's hot. Unless it's like, despacho or something. It's a tortilla soup, I think we've discovered.

I think it's different also. I know we've covered this before, whether it's like frisby thrown and the bowls coming at me or whether it's like shot put, the liquid leading the toss.

Also, the victim here was Damon Jones. Everyone found that funny.

Well, especially because we were picturing French onion soup, and then the cheese was just landing on his shoulder or on his face. It was like just the- Bread bowl. The game last night. You guys have thoughts on the particulars of the game? Because Philadelphia, They're defending champions. They're super-physical. I think that everyone thought Philadelphia was going to win the game. I think everyone might have been surprised that the game was close, as if we'd forgotten that so many of the games in that sport are always close. It's one of the reasons that there's a salary cap to legislate the equality that protects the league so that no one gets too much better than anyone else.

I have plenty of thoughts. Number one, the game was awesome. It was an incredible start to the football season. Dak It looks good, not just in form, but he's lost some weight, and it looks like it'll help him. The AJ Brown stuff is interesting. Also, Javante Williams is always going to scare me as a Miami Hurricanes fan because I just remember him and Michael Carter running for 300 yards each against Miami. So it's not a surprise to me that he's an effective runner for the Dallas Cowboys. I got super excited for the season, and I think that people started sleeping on Dallas. The point was made on the pregame show that the issues, and yes, the defense was bad. You highlighted them when we were breaking down the Micah Parsons trade is. But the biggest issue that faces the Dallas Cowboys outside of the lack of postseason success is Dak Prescott's health. When Dak Prescott is a healthy quarterback for that team, they're a 12-win team routinely. And if he's healthy, and if he looks like he looked last night in moments before the weather got out of hand and impacted that game, Dallas is going to be in the conversation for the playoffs.

It's just a fact. If he's healthy, they're that good.

I think people were still surprised last night because the Dallas offseason was a disaster and because of the other things that I've told you about the simplicity of if you're breaking down that Micah Parsons trade from whatever it is, is the logic of Jerry Jones as a football move. It's because your quarterback is in year 10 and the other teams in your division that are better than you have quarterbacks who are younger and cheaper and going to get better, whereas this is Dax ceiling. I don't know what Jaden Daniels' ceiling is, but it's a ceiling that you can expect improvement from with reps because he's played very little professional football in Dax in his 10th season, or is it his 11th season?

Jaden Daniels' ceiling is multiple-time MVP. He came in and changed the franchise. That was a joke of a franchise, and they made it to an NFC Championship.

And Jalen Hertz the one who actually won the division or won the sport last year.

Yeah, he outplayed Patrick Mahomes. He was a Super Bowl MVP. The talking point is the lack of passing success, even though Jalen Hertz threw an absolute dime in that game. But Philadelphia is a weird team in that we all know their strength, and they effectively salt games away on the ground. So especially after the weather turned, I'm not sure how much we can read into that.

I mean, in terms of the money at quarterback, too, Jalen Hertz makes 50 plus million dollars also. The Giants, obviously, are spending a lot less on quarterback, but their team is not comparable to the Cowboys. It's really Jaden Daniels who has the advantage there in their division. But the Giants right now are a non-factor, and they're going to end up paying a quarterback eventually anyways.

It's an interesting division, though, because the Giants know, even though there's a lot of name recognition in their room and they have the hope of Jackson Darts, that'll be a lifeline for when they inevitably struggle in the early season. They know that they're outgunned at that position, so their whole idea is, let's have Thibodeau and Abdul Carter just pin their ears back and go after the quarterback, and maybe we can have the best edge rushers in the league. I actually do think that Tony mentioned it yesterday, not many pass rushing defense is better than what you have in the New York Giants.

I love a pinning back of ears.

I love pinning those back. It makes you faster, more aerodynamic.

Lance Stevenson blowing in LeBron's ear. Is that disrespectful?

I think we all thought that was just weird.

Even LeBron just rolled his eyes and laughed at him.

That's big three champion Lance Stevenson to you.

I really was surprised, I got to be honest, that LeBron James reacted so stoically to someone blowing in his face that way.

Maybe he did it first. He played it cool, just like Dack.

Eddie Guerrero.

I got one.

Brad Marshawn licking Brian Callahan's face. He's our guy now, Roy. He's our guy now. You chill. You're chill. He may be a scumbag, but he's our scumbag.

I don't think that it can be a sign of disrespect if it can also be intimacy, although...

In the middle of competition.

I'm just saying that licking someone's face while disgusting and if not intimate and against their consent, also not very nice, not as disrespectful as spitting in their face. There's a lot of involved.

Some people are into that, though. Yeah.

I will take the opportunity because you mentioned Panthers of legend, Brad Marshawn, hero to a community, an iconic South Florida sports fan. Not many of these. We had Pin guy. Marlins Man very forcibly forces away into that conversation. Richard Molinari, the great Richard Molonari. There's been a lot of iconic sports fans down here in South Florida. And one of the goats, the fake Rick Flair from Panther Games. And this guy is a Panther lifer. He was out there when David Booth was out there trying to convince people that he should get a call up to the national team. The fake Rick Flair has reportedly passed away, the source being multiple Facebook posts right now. If you ever went to a Panthers game, you know that they cut away to this fan, rally the troops, everybody would woo for him, was very friendly, would high five everybody in that lower concourse. So it's sad to see an iconic Florida Panthers fan pass away. Rest in peace.

If we were to say most famous fans in South Florida history, if you go back to, you mentioned Rich Molonari, Dolph and Denny, does a mascot get to count as a fan if the fan has been turned into a mascot by the team, like Yamayama at the University of Miami, where they're not actually a mascot. They're just such a huge fan that they become a mascot as just a fan. Who is the most famous? Is it Marlin's Man? Who's the most famous fan in South Florida history? We We can go through Dolphand Denny. We can go through Yamayama.

Cutleridge Lazz.

Yes, thank you.

He's Google it.

The first word in Cutler is cut.

He's a fan. Having this conversation. What about that kid that lifted up his shirt and did the little belly roll of the Marlins game?

No, different guy.

Oh, different little kid. Yeah, you know that kid. He stuck out his tongue. It was like... Little kids, keep your clothes on. Okay? Yeah. Cheap laugh. Develop a real comedy style kid. My friend Steve. Yes, Chris's friend Steve. Oh, yeah, Steve. Big Marlins fan.

Why would you guys agree with that?

Dancing Tony, the Marlins game.

Oh, yeah, Chris's friend Steve. Good teammate. It's what they gave you of Yes-and. Yes-and. Oh, yeah, your friend Steve.

Steve. I'll take it. Everyone knows Steve.