Transcript of Hour 2: America's Fascination With Luigi Mangione (Feat. Dylan Scott)

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Completely different game.

Contract, contract year. Did any of you see Mina, and anything Simpsons related last night? Because I didn't see anything. We have managed to blissfully avoid talking about 2 teams that, have a great deal of relevance but aren't very good. And I was just watching the idea of people talking about, oh, the cowboys playoff chances.

And I'm like, what are you talking about? They've lost every home game they've played this year. Like, what are you talking about? I don't wanna talk about that game, but what was Mina doing with the Simpsons? I I saw that she said it was a career highlight, but I didn't see any of it and don't know what she was doing.

She was 1 it was an alternate broadcast. So you have, like, the regular broadcast with Joe Buck, and then you have the Manning cast. And then last year, they did a Toy Story broadcast. And this year, there was a Simpsons broadcast. And Mina was on the call for the Simpsons broadcast.

So she was, you know, in a booth, and she was calling the game as the Simpsons character. Sometimes, this is the way the game would work. So everybody was connected to the players that were going on. If you're looking at the screen watching us on video, you can see she was Simpsonized. So that's what Mina Kynes would look like as a Simpsons character.

Dan Orlovsky was there as well. And then occasionally, while the players were going on, they would drop in a Simpsons character. So, like, Bart would become the quarterback who 1 time a touchdown spoiler alert if you're gonna go back and watch the game as a Simpsons version of the game for some reason. Ralph scored a touchdown at 1 point in time. Lisa had a nice run where fire was coming out of her.

So it was a a fun time had by all, and they checked in with, you know, Mina and Dan Orlovsky weren't the only ones that became Simpsons characters. They checked in with Stephen a Smith who was there as well as a Simpsons character at 1

point in time. Did they, get the look right on Mina? Because I felt like they scrubbed all of the ethnicity out of, Mina. All of a sudden, you've got,

To to be fair, none of them look like, I looked at the 3 people on the screen right there. It's supposed to be Mina, Dan Orlovsky, and I don't even know who the third person is. None of them look like any of the people they're supposed to be. So Awful.

Alright. Let's counter Simpson.

It was not awful. It was good. Yeah.

I thought

it did great. Okay.

Greg looks like the Simpsons character. I feel like you Simpsonizing you would be pretty easy.

Do you?

Yeah. Because you gotta look about you. You gotta look.

Yeah. Alright. Whatever. I didn't think Mina looked Simpsonized. Did not flatter Mina.

I didn't think.

But I

could be wrong.

I mean, it wasn't like a beauty pageant. It was, you know, a football game.

I know.

You know, I was once made into a DuckTales character.

Greg, how do you feel about the last 30 seconds of content you've given this show?

The last 30 seconds?

Yeah. You just sort of whimsically, parasol ed into the conversation and offered nothing.

Well, whimsy, apparently, I offered since I whimsically parasailed then. I mean, I don't know what I'm gonna offer. You're talking about caricature. Simpson nobody looks good as a Simpson character.

Is this Stephen a Smith? That can't be Stephen

a Smith. Oh, yeah.

Come on.

That's Prince.

You got nothing but the fore you got nothing but

the forehead right. Nothing else right. Let's, counter Simpson's programming with our own beefcake. Let's go out to Tony poolside. It is time for Tony's top 5.

Tony coming off a very successful weekend. MMA hangout is becoming more and more popular. He is crushing it on Saturday nights around the fights. What do you have for us today for our top 5 list on your football observations, Tony?

Dano, no OLLI. As you can see, this is kind of a chill day today. We've had a long weekend. We had the amazing Sunday service brought to you by the boys at God bless football. We had a may hangout.

We had Sunday night live last night. So a plethora of things that we got into this weekend. So today, chilling by the pool. No OLI. We're gonna go straight top 5.

Dan, are you ready?

I am in just a second. I can say what I'm about to say and be accurate. Right? There is no place in the United States where the temperature is as good as where Tony is right now. Correct?

California's cold in the morning. California can get cold. There is nothing like what there's nothing in December like what Tony is doing right now for winter, which is it is lovely out there. It's beautiful out there. And Tony's ready to give you his football top 5.

Well, to be honest with you, Dan, it's not just Miami. In Arizona right now, it's about 75 degrees during the daytime. At night, it gets cold.

But right

now, I could sit by by my pool.

That's fine. It does. In the morning at night, it gets cold in California and Arizona. Virgin Islands are

great now

too. I said United States. US Virgin Islands. Yeah.

But he said British.

Yeah. Key West is pretty nice. Contiguous. Contiguous.

South Florida. Yes. Thank you. Go ahead. Number 5, Tony.

Number 5, Dano. I'm actually gonna kick it out to you for a dealer's choice. Okay? Dan, you're my dealer. Here's the dealer's choice coach of the year update.

I'm gonna give you 3 names. Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell, Mike Tomlin, dealer's choice. Who do you pick?

I guess I'd have to take Dan Campbell just to because they're a historic laughing stock.

Oh, I

got a different 1. Jim Harbaugh.

Oh, okay, Greg.

Oh, that's not dealer choice.

Observation is asking Dan who he thinks the coach of the year is?

Yeah. Yeah. That's what happened. That is that is number 4.

Number 4, Eagles keep winning, but there's trouble in paradise between number 1 and number 11. Dan, I don't know if you saw Brandon Graham yesterday. Said that there was a little bit of a situation going on in the relationship with QB 1 and wide receiver 1. I don't like that.

He said more than that. He said that Jalen is trying and that AJ has to adjust parts of how he receives things. Like, that was that was an unbelievable bit of dirty laundry to have. Is he is is the guy who said that even playing or is he injured?

I think I think he's injured.

I mean, you're coming you're coming off IR just to create a controversy for your team during an interview. That is not good work by that guy.

You're not

even in the building.

Number 3.

Number 3. Okay. And, Dan, like, you could translate for the audience. On that punt. The punt got blocked, and you touch it trying to pick it up.

What are you doing? Not only did you cost me money, you cost me fantasy position, you cost me everything 27. Jerry Jones was his hand was shaking at the booth when they panned over to Jerry during that situation. Dan, that's the stupidest thing I've seen in a long

time. How would you translate Billy como cono? How cono is is an all purpose Spanish

Yeah.

Like como cono carajo is easier.

There's I mean I don't know. Literally, there's multiple ways to translate como cono because como could be how and it can also be eat. Cono can be a number of things.

Spanish are confusing language. Greg, what can you tell us about last night's game and the stupidity that you saw at the end of it that conjured memories of Leon Lett on Thanksgiving?

It was awful mainly because I had picked Dallas to win outright. I picked them for my upset of the week in the Miami Herald. I had it. I had it. Dallas should've won that game.

How do you blow that on a on a punt? How do you not wind up with a ball after a block punt? I hadn't seen that in years. I don't know when's the last time I saw that. It was outrageous.

Jerry Jones should've fired that guy right on the spot. He should've run he whoever touched that ball, I don't recall his name. Jerry Jones should've run down from his suite onto the sideline, onto the field, and fired that man who caused that.

Mhmm. Number 2, Tony.

Number 2, Dan. He's not top 10 in passing yards. He's not top 5 in touchdown thrown. But if you took Josh Allen off the Bills, they'd be 4 and 13. That that tells me 1 thing, Dano.

You're gonna make him the MVP.

Starts with 3 letters. Sorry. Exactly right. Thank you, Dan. MVP for Josh Allen.

I think this is a record. I've named somebody the MVP in 5 straight weeks on Tony's top 5.

Put it on the poll, please, at Levittard show. Does MVP start with 3 letters at Levittard show? What does it end

with? Wow.

Number 1.

Number 1, Dan. Jags, Titans. I didn't think you would you would have this to lead off to be the number 1, but Jags titans, 10 to 6. The game being played in every TV, in every sports bar in hell. Speaking of hell, Dan, our prials Yes.

Those were Tony's top 5 for week 14. Every TV and every sports bar in hell is playing Jags titans Yeah. 10 to 6 Yeah. With Mac Jones and Will Levis.

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Greg, how's your birthday going so far?

It's going fantastic. My wife and I are are staying home tonight. We're watching the the debate on TV. We're gonna do something special for David. It's a it's a nice day for me so far.

Stuttgartz.

That sounds like a not a super nice night. The debate.

Old people love that shit.

Yeah. That's exactly right. Yeah. That's exactly right. Mhmm.

Old people do love that shit.

And I'm old now.

I can't deny it anymore.

Now this is the Don Levittar show with the Stu gods. America has been consumed by this story. I have told you, Greg, that, I'm darkly fascinated by America's fascination with documentaries about murder, podcasts about murder, and video here of what has been a story that everybody's been talking about where, a man named Luigi Luigi Mangione, an Ivy League student murdered in cold blood like an assassin strike

with Allegedly.

With a gun, allegedly, the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, Brian Thompson. And, a lot of people are viewing him as a bit of a vigilante on behalf of American outcries around the health industry. So we've got Dylan Scott on with us. He's a senior correspondent and editor for Vox. He's been covering global health for more than a decade, and his latest article is called the deep roots of Americans' hatred of their health care system.

Thank you, Dylan, for joining us. And I guess, give us an overview from your vantage point of how it is that you've experienced this story that has grabbed America's interest.

Sure, Dan. Thanks, for having me, and it has been a surreal few days. I've covered health care for more than, more than 10 years, and this still feels kinda like the biggest moment on the beat in a lot of ways and because largely of that, public reaction that you described. You know, it's been, like yesterday. It it has been sort of darkly humorous in a way.

Like, yesterday, when we learned his name was Luigi, I saw the anti Italian, memes and, are those using Italian stereotypes and I thought those, you know, my wife's maiden name is Campanella and they felt kind of absurd and so it felt safe to laugh. But there's been this other, tweet that I have been thinking about, ever since I saw over the weekend. It's like, kinda captures this the, like, weird headspace that I find myself in. And this was after, the backpack was found in Central Park with the monopoly money in it, and it was before he was identified obviously, and he was sort of at the height of his mystery and and public appeal, if we wanna call it that. And this tweet said it's like this guy is like cigarette smoking.

He's not gonna be good for us in the long term, but in the short term, he is he's making this look cool. And I feel like that kind of summed up, the contrary contradictory feelings that I've been both, like, picking up in the public response, but also been feeling myself. Because on the 1 hand, you know, not to be a scold, but, you know, human life, I do believe human life is precious and callousness about murder does make me uncomfortable. But on the other hand, as somebody who's covered health care for more than 10 years, I understand why people are so angry. You know, I know the many ways that the health care system has screws people over, and I know that the stakes are really high for people when they go through those experiences.

Like, if you're in a serious medical situation, those that's 1 of the most, you know, fraught moments of your life. So I've been trying to hold both of those ideas, you know, and doing so uneasily, in my head at the same time, over the past few days.

Well, what do you make though of the idea that people seem to be rooting for this suspect pretty publicly? It's not okay, but is it understandable based on the reporting that you've been doing for a decade?

Yeah. I mean, it's it's not okay, but it is I do understand it. You know, I do think it's like this is in a way is connected to trends that are sort of beyond health care, you know, in terms of, like, the the crassness that we see in in public life and in our society these days. And it I do think, like, the Internet makes us more comfortable maybe saying things that we wanna wanna wanna say in, like, polite conversation. But in terms of the health care system itself, like, you know, people have been screwed over by health insurers.

And especially when you think back to the the days before the Affordable Care Act, you know, there people were denied coverage just because they were sick or they'd have, medical, you know, claims for serious medical services, and they would just be denied. And even today after the the ACA has been been law, you know, now for more than 10 years and there are more protections, for example, for people with preexisting conditions, health care health insurers are are still up to to other hijinks. People just in general feel like the costs of health care are too high. And, like, the thing that I think sit here thinking about is, like, you know, I'm in a way, I'm not surprised that it was sort of a health insurance executive that was targeted because I feel like health insurers are the easy villain, and are very screwed up health care system because it's sort of like, what do they do? But at the same time, I know because I have been covering this for so long that, like, everybody bears some of the blame, you know, if the pharmaceutical companies, even the hospitals, even physicians, you know, and certainly health insurers.

And so, like, it's it's really complicated to untangle, and I don't know what we do with all this anger that people are feeling, and sort of feel freely expressing after the shooting last week. But I I do understand where it comes from even if it makes me a little bit uncomfortable.

I'm curious. We've it seemed like we crossed the threshold here where I don't know if it was the CEO of any other type of Fortune 500 company that could have been murdered and would have the same kind of response that came out here. What impact do you think is gonna happen on the health insurance industry as far as any changes because of their fear of, hey, look. The people are pissed. How pissed are they?

Well, 1 of them murdered 1 of our guys and the rest of them are like, yeah.

Yeah. And that's that's what's so, like, paradoxical about this moment is it feels like, yes, there's there's, like, something is happening. This sort of live nerve has been exposed, and we're having to kinda stare the damage that the broken health care system has done to our society in the face. But I don't know, like, what we do with that. You know, we've got a new in terms of, like, policy, you know, we've got a new administration, new congress coming in next year.

I'm sure they're gonna look at things to do on health care policy. Are they gonna propose big, crackdowns on private health insurers, which, like, Republicans in general have generally been more favorable towards? I don't know. The conversations about how to change things in pharma and the hospital system are even more difficult. Like, part of the reason I think health insurers, to your point, kinda get so much attention, so much vitriol.

It's like I said before. It's like, what do you guys really do? You're just like money you're moving money around. You're not taking care of anybody. You're not, you're not, creating new cures

that are It's a mafia.

It's a mafia. You've heard Bill Berg talk about this. It's a mafia. Like, this is it's business corruption. You know, pharma bro is a symptom.

Pharma bro is a feature, not a bug, when he becomes the most hated man on the Internet for charging $750 for a pill that should be 5 dollars. Like, you can tell us all the appalling stories. What's the thing that scares you the most? What do you view as the worst of what these mafiosos do?

Right. And, I mean, you know, I the the 1 I've been fixated on lately is there there has been recent reporting on health insurers using, like, AI driven algorithms to figure out, like, how to deny people claims, basically, you know, using all of the tools, that are at their disposal that apparently this guy was familiar with, if you've seen the reporting about the words, written on the bullets. And so, yeah, it is like, you know, every 1 thing that's really interesting if you look at, like, the polling data about people's experience with health insurance in the US is, like, by and large, actually, and this does surprise me, Dan. I'll admit it, but it's it's true. Most people will basically say, like, they're they're mostly happy with their health care plan, but the the the catch is you have to remember a lot of those people are probably not using their health care that much.

They're going to the doctor once a year. Maybe they have, like, 1 or 2 prescriptions, but they're not they're not really using health care that much. So, yeah, for them, it's fine.

Oh, but but Gallup found Gallup found that the percentage of Americans to approve of their available health care is at an all time low.

Totally. And people don't like this. People think the system is broken. They think the quality of health care is getting worse. But let me just follow the the the catch, I think, is really interesting, and it's really to your point.

It's that the more people use their health care, the or health insurance, the higher their medical bills, the less satisfied that they are. So it's almost like there's a lot of us kind of living in a delusion that we have good health insurance, but until we try to use it. And then we see we experience all of the problems with it and it gets really frustrating and it makes us angry, and I think that has created these attitudes where, like, people think the health care they you know, it's only, like, 30% of the American public think the health care system overall is doing a good job. And, yes, as you said, the number of people who think they're getting quality health care here in the United States is on an all time low, which is a really shocking thing because for all of its problems, like, if you can get good health care in the United States, you can get the best health care in the United States, and that has always been true and and it does continue to be true. But that caveat is sort of the whole problem, if you can get it.

And too many people can't, and it's so expensive, and that's why we're seeing, the reaction that we have.

It it it's up to the government to fix a broken health care system, but in the meantime, how about we don't commit cold blooded murder against the guy heading a health care system? I hate any attempt to justify this murder on any level. Okay? Even if you hate big pharma, even if you you're being charged $500 for a pill that should cost 10, It doesn't justify this murder, and I hate any implication that it does. I guarantee you this, when the alleged murderer is up on trial, there's gonna be no mitigating factor here.

The jury is not gonna say, well, he killed someone who's head of of UnitedHealthcare, so let's be light on him. That's not gonna happen, and it shouldn't. And and I I apologize. That's not a question.

It really isn't, but it's a hell of a diatribe. I salute you. You you have rarely had this kind of righteous indignation at the end of a show.

Well, because I'm hearing so much justification for this heinous cold blooded murder. No matter who the victim is, let's not justify it on any level.

And I I totally agree with you. And I that's been, you know, the if you if you read the piece I wrote last week, that was sort of my point. Like, there's not 1 person. There's not even 1 industry to blame for all of our problems.

I'll read it for you. I'll read it right now.

Failure.

There is not 1 man nor even 1 industry responsible for the failures of US health care. The finger pointing is a distraction. Every party bears responsibility. The only way forward is to reckon with that collective failure. We need to begin working toward a more rational and just system if we are to have any hope of creating a world in which Thompson's shooting would be truly unimaginable.

That's from your story on vox.com, and I don't know what you find to be the most interesting details that, people are finding shocking, obviously, the cold blooded mafia ness of this, but it's also these are not the identifying traits of someone who murdered you in the street. The the it's whether you wanna make Italian stereotype jokes or soprano memes or not, Luigi Mangione doesn't have the background that would suggest that he would do something like this. This was this seems like a person who is moral about who he's murdering. So I ask you, is he crazy? What are the details here worth examining?

That's a great question, Dan, and that is something I think, you know, journalists struggle with anytime there's a shooting like this. And I'll confess, you know, the where I'm at right now is, yes, he's clearly, like, you know, he doesn't have the the sort of typical profile exactly that you would expect of a shooter. But if I'm honest with myself, I try to remember, like, his mindset is always gonna be a bit indecipherable indecipherable to the rest of us. Like, even if we can sort of understand sort of his frustrations with the health care system, You're not having a normal day when you go out and shoot somebody in the middle of New York City. And so I it's there is a point where I'm like, I don't know how much I care about his individual mindset.

What is interesting to me is this public reaction and what it reveals about the failures of the health care system, about our frustrations with it. And, yeah, I know we will we will piece it. I'm sure, you know, there may be a manifesto. People will obsess over that, and, you know, it'll be interesting to hear the details if there was sort of, like, a specific situation that sort of sent him down this path. But I I I do try to step back and, yeah, I remember, like, you're never gonna totally get inside the head of somebody who did this.

And so at a certain point, it's futile to even try, and it's better to sort of, like, reflect on on what this is saying about us collectively as a whole.

Now, Dylan, 1 of the things I wanna reflect on is that Cavs hoodie that you have on. The Cavs are off to a historic start this season, but they had they had a bad loss the other night in Miami and Evan

I know.

Evan, Evan Mobley, sprained an ankle, it looks like. What are your thoughts on where the Cavs are gonna go this season?

I mean, I came into the season apprehensive. Like, last year was it like you basically just check the boxes. We got to the 2nd round, looked okay against Boston considering we were injured, but, like, that was it. So I was you know, the the the win streak to start the season, I was thrilled. It was awesome.

I do think Mobley has, like, made a mini leap at least on the offensive end. It's not like he's gonna be an offensive engine, but if he's more competent, if he can hit those threes at a decent clip, and play make a little bit, like, that unlocks a whole new level for the team. And I will say, you guys will appreciate this, I think. Like, I know everybody's praising Kenny Atkinson. I am thrilled with Kenny ax Atkinson, But I do think, like, the fact that the defense has held up is a little bit of a credit to JB Bickerstaff.

Has Mobley taken a mini leap, or is it a step? Or has he taken or has he turned the corner?

Just a step, I think. Is it a hop? Is it a hop? No. There's no hop.

It's not a minute.

It's not a minute. It's not

It's not ridiculous. Is it

a jump?

See, because Is it

a jump?

Is it a leap?

Is it a step? He's turned a corner. He has not turned

a corner.

Dylan, this is my point about the Cavs. When everyone's going crazy about the stars, I said, I think they can be better. And everyone's like, how? How? They're already, you know, amazing.

I said, because Evan Moby still hasn't taken that leap to be

in the forefront. He said

he'd taken a mini leap. No.

A mini leap is

just a step.

It's just a step.

It's just a step. It's just a step. It's just a step. It's just a step. It's just a step.

It's just a step. It's just a step.

It's a

dis it's a step in disguise. Put it on the poll at leopardard show. In is a mini leap just a step in disguise? Dylan, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate the time.

We appreciate the information. I, am am just I wanna cede the floor right now for the promotion of Greg Cody's podcast featuring Greg Cody where he talks among other things about things he has blamed his pet for. He has blamed his pet for an assortment of things, and I don't wanna spoil it for you, but you can get it on the Greg Cody Show featuring Greg Cody. But I want to celebrate for a moment what I believe to be, at an advanced stage, the greatest close of Greg Cody's career to a show when he has lacked some stamina at the end of these shows because back in his day, murder was wrong.

Yeah.

Back in hit back in it back in his day, it wasn't okay

Murder.

To just celebrate somebody in the street killing somebody because you're down with the health care cause. And Greg Cody was indignant it, and he's not here for your normalization.

Yelling at Dylan.

And and that's right. He was yelling at Dylan about the jokes being made at the Internet. This guy's done 10 years of health care reporting. Greg Cody hasn't lifted a finger before this righteous infant infection, and he was yelling at Dylan about the controversial take of murder's not okay.

He goes on this long spill, and then at the end, he says and I know that's not a question.

Like, what? It was unbelievable. It was it was it was I I was watching a great lawyer undefeated in trial cases prowl over a crow over a closing argument because he knows he's in the right with the controversial take.

Thank you.

Murder is wrong.

Yeah. Well, that's not what I'm hearing from from America right now. I'm hearing justification.

Rationalization. A lot on the

other hand. A lot of people talk about, well, on this hand On the other hand. Yeah.

On 1 hand's a gun that murdered somebody.

On the

other hand, shut the fuck up.

That's why we have 2 hands.

Well, that is true.

That is not why we have 2 hands. The

For balance?

The the Why do we have 2 hands? We

it's not

To have another hand.

It's not for equilibrium. The equilibrium of 1 handed people is just fine. They don't need the 2nd hand in order.

The fugitive only had 1 arm.

That was not the fugitive. That was the few that was who the fugitive was framed by.

Yeah. That's true.

It wasn't me.

It was

a 1 armed man.

I can't believe the strength with which Cody got out the controversial opinion of murder is bad.

That's right.

You know what?

That was Hulk Hogan a little bit. It will be Come on, people.

I'm not even sure. I look, man. We have normalized this whether you're watching documentaries like the Jinx or just there's just been a proliferation of cult and murder documentaries, and and murder as a business right now is booming. As a content play, like, go look at the top 100 podcasts. It's all sports comedy, a little bit of self help, and murder.

Every just just murder sprayed all over the place. People can't get enough in and out of their cars of consuming this, and this 1 captivated everybody at least in part because there there are murders in cold blood every day on the street. This 1 because of the story behind it, because of what Cody's talking about, the rationalizations around, well, health care is bad, so let me shoot this dude in the street. Right. Yes.

Also, he's beautiful. There's that too.

He is a good looking guy. No doubt.

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