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This is the Dan Lebatard Show with the Stugatz Podcast.
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I will apologize yet again to the very punctual David Sampson, very organized David Sampson, that our show is always 8 minutes late when he is a human who is exceptionally punctual, and we're always making him wait because we've always got our thumb in our foot. But I have a number of questions to ask David that don't have anything to do with sports in the moment. And one of them is this, David, I feel bad every single time this happens and yet I can't stop it from happening and it just won't stop happening to me. David Sampson does a show with Coca by themselves. It's very hard to do what they're doing. He's talking all the time without quite as much support as we have around here. And I'm perpetually accidentally texting him I'm texting him during his show live because I forget that he's on the air and I don't know it's 7:06 in the morning instead of 6:43, and I'm not paying attention to whether or not David Sampson's on the air, and so I'm actively distracting— I am Ronaldo. I'm getting in the way of David Sampson being able to do his job better, and he has a compulsive need also to answer every single text he gets.
So he ends up doing a live show while texting me. The guilt of live on air, the reminder of he doesn't have to do that. He can just not answer. But he's like, live on air, because he wants to make me feel bad. But I already do feel bad because I can't stop doing it.
It'd be great if this preamble lasts 25 more minutes. Just never get to him.
Apologize.
I will be quick.
We'll talk to you next time. Nice. Yeah, do that.
I'll be quick with you, Dan. I don't buy your excuses anymore. It's been 7 a.m. for a year. You do it all the time. And you know that you're on my very short list of people where the alert comes through, because I assume when you are texting me, there is some meaning to it. And I don't want to leave you hanging because you want a response.
So I'm going to respond.
I don't want to, but you do it in the middle of a show and then apologize. So, okay, it's— I'm over it. It's fine. I've learned to live with it. The list is very short of people who get through the barrier between 7 and 9, and you're on it and you're never going to get off it as long as you have me at Metal Ark.
I'm interested in who's on this list, like who, who, who gets through at 7 in the morning. So Dan, Dan gets through and no one else in this room, right?
Yes. One other person gets through.
Jeremy.
Mike Ryan.
I can't believe you and Roy have that relationship.
When Mike knows, because Mike knows, Mike is aware of the time. So if he's texting between 7 and 9, there is a critical issue that needs to be addressed, not general drivel.
Okay. And you're responding to Dan during your show like you can't— like you start to get agitated, right? If you don't respond.
No, I'm actually— I was doing a segment when he texted.
What were you talking about?
Do you remember?
Do you remember what was it? Was it difficult subject matter? Were you talking about Israel?
No, I was likely talking about the fight going on between Fox and ESPN at the moment regarding the World Cup. That's sort of been my angle. Now, this is happening now that I'm going to do. Oh, Chris, this is a joke. All right.
Thank you. Well, it's not between 7 and 9. No, it's not.
So let me tell you this story. If Cody calls while I'm on the air, the assumption is that there's a technical issue or that I need to know not to talk about something. So I'm going to answer you. You guys, you kill me.
You— I really wish, David, that you—
Wish you picked it up on speaker.
David, I wish you had answered the phone and then heard Chris Cody.
Hey, David.
I wish we'd heard it through the speaker in your phone.
What's that?
Chris Cody. Chris Cody calling you from the other room. I want to get to the ESPN coverage because holy shit, people are complaining about it. But before we do that, I want to get Zazz's answer to my question before the break. And David, I want to include you in on this conversation. In the information age and in the misinformation age, we've got a whole bunch of people reporting on Giannis and Jaylen Brown. And I'm telling you that I know that Mike Ryan's information is good because anytime he's put a story in front of people here, It's happened. So what am I to do, Zazz, before we go to Sampson, on the fact that 3 credible reporters, including Windhorst, are saying something? I don't know if you think they're all paid propaganda for the Celtics, they're all bought in some way. They're saying one thing and Mike Ryan is saying the opposite a day after I've told you. Zazz, who do you believe? It's going to get kind of important in tomorrow's America that you have people you believe on information.
Yeah, this is a tough one for me because you know the way that I lean, which is I go with the really credible guys, the guys like Windhorst who aren't afraid to tell you when they don't know. I feel like a lot of the guys out there on television, even some of them on the internet, uh, you know, they'll tell you something because they have to be in the game. They have to have some kind of information. And the reason I tell you that this is hard for me to decipher now, because I trust Mike. Like, I, I know him and I trust him, and he's not making things up.
But I trust his work though. It's about your work. It's not just trusting Mike, your friend, and you trust a friend.
Oh yeah, I trust him because he's done the work.
He's broken some of the biggest stories in sports the last few years.
Look, look, look, I don't like how this is being like positioned.
They're saying that Jaylen Brown isn't on the table. I'm telling you, I'm hearing something totally different, that Jaylen Brown is absolutely involved in these discussions. And guys, just use your brains here. If Boston is indeed interested in Giannis, which everyone from the Boston media is conceding, then Jaylen Brown is obviously being discussed. It is not a non-starter for Boston, especially given Jaylen Brown's behavior. And if he is indeed being talked about in these discussions, that's a horse of a different color if you're a Miami Heat fan.
Here's the place where I do doubt what you're saying because, okay, Boston has Jaylen Brown on the table. What are we still doing here? Like, what's the holdup then?
There's other teams.
Other teams what?
There's other teams to facilitate because this isn't a one-for-one.
But it's not hard to find any number of teams that want Jaylen Brown and will get early draft capital.
No, no. If you follow the league, there is uncertainty about one of the teams out there and what their capital may look like. Look, the Los Angeles Clippers would be an interesting destination, one that would suit Jaylen Brown. Jaylen Brown has shown you in his career he can fit in with another wing that eats first. But what's going to happen to their draft assets? Could the league hand down punishment? I do think that there is some uncertainty with some of these teams.
And remember, like Tony brought up the third team for a reason, because ultimately you're looking at, at, at at a team in the Clippers that, yes, they have that 5th pick available. But what if you're Milwaukee? You might get that 5th pick, maybe one other future pick, and then a bunch of expiring salary and salary filler, especially if the Heat were able to facilitate Hero to another team and you're getting potentially 4 picks. That, that looks different.
And the other thing too is like Jalen Brown wants to get a trade, but then he's going to get traded to the same exact situation he just left in another all-star great wing. It just, it doesn't make sense. Well, David, let me throw this back to you. Let's say Los Angeles, the Clippers are interested in facilitating this deal and certainly would be interested in a deal that helps them net Jaylen Brown. In these discussions, how would Boston and Milwaukee handle the Clippers investigation right now? Because the league may drop down a punishment and couldn't draft picks be potentially on the line here?
They're definitely on the line in those conversations. You call the league actually when you are looking at a player and you know there's an investigation around that player, around that team, you call the commissioner and look for guidance. And the commissioner is not going to tell you exactly what the punishment is prior to the report being given to the owners, but they will certainly give you the guidance of timing. And we saw Adam Silver do that at PTFO. We— they— I almost said we. Interesting. All of us are ready because we believe that post-parade pre-draft is when there's going to be an announcement of what the findings have been by the investigating firm Wachtell Lipton. And that would make the most sense to give certainty to all of the clubs in the NBA. So the timing's now, but you do work prior to the announcement. But that's why there's no Giannis trade yet, because you have to know the entire circumstances surrounding every team. And there's great uncertainty with the Clippers. However, the other side is I don't think internally there's as much uncertainty as what I'm telling you exists publicly. I believe the Clippers are very aware of what their punishment is.
Steve Ballmer will not read about it from a press release. It is going to be— he's going to be spoken to. There will be a discussion. Some would argue that discussion has already happened. Long before Wachtell Lipton even started their investigation. But the, the absolute finish to the aspiration investigation is when it is publicly announced. But in terms of teams being ready, they're getting ready right now.
I want to get to James Dolan with you, and we're going to see who joins us for the parade and how good the Wi-Fi is. We're going to check in with a New York parade that has already been shut down and closed off. And while I want an answer to the question on just generally who's credible, who do you believe, I do want to I'm going to move to a different subject as well because the amount of criticism ESPN is getting for not reaching this particular moment in the world's game is a delicate spot for me to be in because people are always going to assume that if I'm critical of ESPN, I'm being bitter, I'm mad about something or whatever else. Okay? So I'm simply telling you that I'm reading an enormous amount of criticism and also it's supremely jarring to me to watch ESPN and have them use pictures the way we do, stills, because they don't have the video to something. And it makes it really hard to cover this particular thing if all you have is stills. And you see how FIFA is very protective about— you better not be using any of their stuff, their sponsors or anything, because they get all the money.
When ESPN, Mike, is criticized about all of this, we are going to be seen as a biased inform— informant on this. But I'm just telling you, I'm reading the criticism of others and I cannot believe how harsh it is even Fox is making fun of the coverage of ESPN.
Yeah, I'm curious Dave's take on the Fox thing, but we saw this freight train coming for years. As a U.S. soccer fan, I was so jacked up about us hosting a World Cup, and you would think that the worldwide leader would meet the moment in some form or fashion. But guys, they have about $100 million tied up in daytime personalities that are fairly limited. Of their daytime programming, the only guy in that group that can talk soccer with authority is Pat McAfee because he played the game and he's genuinely excited about it. He's a soccer fan. But Stephen A. can't talk about more than 2 sports. And it's not even the majors. Like, the second biggest sport in this country is college football. The guy has no knowledge of it. They pay this man $40 million and he's asking Roger Bennett, "Hey, can France finally pull this thing off?" when they've won 2 World Cups on the men's side. In the last 30 years. This has been a recent development with France of them winning at the highest level, and when they don't win, they flame out in spectacular fashion, or they make it to a final and headbutt a player.
It's France, it's Kylian Mbappé, it's the World Cup. In America, is it too much to ask your big-time talisman talent who makes $40 million a year, hey, bone up on this just a little bit? Yeah. Mike Greenberg, hey, bone up on this just a little bit. Maybe we run the gamut with Taylor Twellman and we force him into these conversations so you don't embarrass yourself. Here, hey, here's a little basic stat pack. France has won 2 World Cups. Let's start there. Is it too much to ask for these high-priced talents to do a modicum, a small minuscule amount of research in preparation for what is the biggest sporting event on the planet.
Boy, do you have unrealistic expectations. And I'm sorry, because ESPN doesn't have the rights. That means it's not the priority. And you're asking why they're showing stills. That's what you do when you don't have highlight rights. And the rules are they can't show highlights until Fox is off the air at the end of the day. So they can't show highlights 2 hours after the 3 p.m. match. They have to show highlights of the 3 p.m. match at midnight when Fox is done. And in the old days, the Skipper days, that'd be fine. People would go to SportsCenter for those highlights. But now you get the highlights elsewhere faster and there's not that need. So ESPN says, you know what, what am I even bothering? They've got a rundown. They've got minutes allocated to sports that matter to them financially. The World Cup is not driving their earnings right now. It's simply not. No one is going to ESPN for World Cup. Yeah. So why would they lean into it?
Is the criticism fair? Is the criticism fair?
Like, no, no. How are you criticized when you show stills because you don't buy highlight rights?
But you can just— wait a minute. Wait a minute. Look, it's easier to have the video, obviously, but you can still cover it well and be entertaining and cover it as if it's the world's biggest event.
Yes. CBS Sports. CBS does not have the rights either, and they have an entire network dedicated. Galazzo does a great job in the morning. Yes, I understand. And the whole deal with rights, and I don't want to conflate the two. You can still have discussions. The Ronaldo topic should be an easy one for Stephen A. Smith. Surely a guy that is paid that much to follow sports can be vaguely familiar with Cristiano Ronaldo, where he is in his career, and what this storyline is. Put the work in. Right, right. Is someone afraid to ask him to put the work in? You're paying him a lot of money. And I know you're saying it's not driving the revenue. That's their fault. And there are people the world over that have underestimated the drawing power of the World Cup in particular. This is going to be the most profitable World Cup, not just for FIFA, which is price gouging, but also for the broadcaster because of the introduction of hydration breaks. That has already netted them $250 million on a half a billion dollar fee.
That's old news, Mike. No, no, no, no. Match breaks now. Match breaks.
What I'm saying is ESPN doesn't know how much meat is on the bone because they don't even care to try.
David, the thing that's happening here—
I think they're full bone, Dan. I'm sorry.
The thing that's happening here— you can answer, I want to hear what you have to say, but when— it's not just that ESPN's coverage is being universally, except for you, being said that it's bad. It's also that the coverage you're getting on Fox is extraordinary.
Like, it's On the broadcast, however, Awful Announcing had an interesting take that there was this initial report that Fox is upset with the lack of coverage from ESPN, and then it got walked back. David, I have a theory as to why it got walked back. It's the NFL. All these people have to make it work. They're all sharing highlights when it comes to the NFL, and if you have network-on-network crime, that can get ugly with your other partnerships. But Awful Announcing was wise to point out Hey, Fox, you're not exactly doing great World Cup coverage with your FS1 daytime programming either. In fact, you have Major League Baseball rights, you have college basketball rights, and you don't really pay any attention to that with your daytime programming. So you're throwing stones from a glass house.
I think it's important to note how rundowns are done in those big shows. And you call it playing the hits. If you talk about LeBron, you have a GOAT conversation. You talk about the Dallas Cowboys. You touch on the Yankees. Don't forget to mention the Dodgers and Ohtani. I've had these conversations with Skipper about how ESPN— of course, he claims I had nothing to do with rundowns. I didn't say what had to be done. Okay, I'll take him at his word for that, though I don't believe him. And I will say that what they do—
That's not taking someone at their word.
That's the opposite.
That's—
it's the opposite of that. It's the—
So I will not take him at his word to say that when I'm building rundowns and I see them built at CBS as an example, I understand exactly how the rundowns are built according to rights packages, highlights packages, and what plays. Stephen A. Smith talking about soccer, Mike, it doesn't play. So why would he do it?
What about Damian Woody? You know, I know you say it doesn't play because we have no evidence of it, but it probably would play if he researched on it or they outsourced compelling coverage to someone, which they're trying with Roger Bennett and Stephen A. Smith is in like embarrassing himself a little bit on these conversations. I think a little bit of preparation would have gone a long way. You see these ratings for the World Cup very clearly. There is a midday audience for the World Cup. So while you say there isn't an audience for it, the reason why there isn't an audience for it is they are not seeking it out. They are not investing in that audience. They have their hits. I'm surprised we're not hearing about Dak Prescott's contract right now. You can find good coverage. And if you're into World Cup coverage, you are certainly going elsewhere, and that should bother people at ESPN. That should bother people even at FS1 when they have the rights. Why is everyone kicking our ass on this? And quite frankly, it's not just a soccer issue. It comes to the NHL. It comes to Major League Baseball.
They are on daytime programming until you get to Pat McAfee, A2 Sport network. They are the NBA and they are the NFL. And the reason why that is, is because their talents are NBA and NFL. That's all they know. If their talent was well-versed in all the sports, I think if you pay a sports expert $40 million, they should know as much as Zazz knows when it comes to sports. They should be watching every game all the time.
Is that a compliment or an insult?
No, no, it's a compliment.
No, this is basic, this is basic understanding. Like This is sports. You're a sports fan. You're the worldwide leader. You're paid the most handsome contract in the history of sports broadcast. It's $20 million.
It's $20 million.
Well, it is $20 million, Dan, correct. But by the way, Mike, what are the two biggest investments that Disney makes in sports?
The rights. The NFL.
The sports leagues?
The NFL and college football.
So I'm going to tell you where NBA is and what the investment is with Disney. And you're going to say, oh, I guess there may be a correlation. All I'm arguing is for correlation. FS1 is a different story. And obviously this is your moment. To me, if I'm Fox and I know that I have the rights at a discount, which is clear, there's like lawsuits about it, but I am trying to buttress FS1 right now and try to even get one inch into ESPN's dominance of midday. This is their— this is their moment. Like, get them now and try to keep them and retain them. But it's sort of like the Marlins trying to keep people who come to World Baseball Classic games. It's really hard to retain when that event is not particularly happening, but it would be worth the investment for FS1 for sure.
Damn, what's buttress mean?
I'm not asking for them to break down Vitinha's holding midfield play when PSG is playing in a Champions League final. I'm saying this moment comes once every 4 years.
That was a show-off move.
It was not.
I mean, it's—
come on, it's Vitinha and it's PSG. I could have gone way deeper.
I know you could have, but you did that on purpose.
You were—
you were making a point. Yeah, making a point.
This is This is the World Cup. It happens every 4 years, and this time it may be the last time we have it on this continent. Like, do some basic stuff. Be able to talk Messi. Be able to talk Ronaldo. I'm not asking for much. And this isn't just a soccer thing. I know I'm a soccer fan. By the way, new episode of Morally Abhorrent is already on our feeds. Really good. Thank you, Jeremy, for calling it, quote, "really good." That is an upgrade over what Dan calls it, which is, quote, "a situation." Dan, is Buttress like a queen?
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I have a lot of questions here. One of them, Jeremy, can you tell me why is a horse of a different color?
Why?
Oh, I'm so glad you asked, Dan. So this originally stems from Shakespeare in Twelfth Night, but it was popularized in 1939 with The Wizard of Oz. So when Dorothy approaches the gates, and gets to, you know, try to see the Wizard, the guard there says, "Oh, you're wearing the ruby red slippers. That's a horse of a different color." Now, you also might hear that and think, "No, but that sounds like the '90s to me." Where it's referenced is in the movie Rookie of the Year, when Henry Rowengartner shows up to the Cubs locker room and they're like, "What's this kid doing here?" And he knocks on it just like in The Wizard of Oz, and the guard pops out with his big curly mustache, just like in The Wizard of Oz, and he says, "Oh, you're Rowengartner? That's a horse of a different color." I didn't know that was a Wizard of Oz reference, Dan!
Thanks for that, Jeremy!
You're welcome!
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Dan, this parade's getting going here. What we got happening here is the players making their way to the buses, but I'm already seeing way more former Knicks and celebrities than actual players. Saw Jon Starks, saw Chalamet, saw Chris Rock. I'm seeing Cat here, but it seems like it's just gonna be these celebrities are going to make it about themselves.
Where is Amin and what can we get from Amin? When's Amin going to join us? What is Amin's— it started 10 minutes ago. The punctuation, David, I will simply put on the conversation that we're having about content before I ask you about James Dolan is I just— if this business model is interesting to you, ESPN used to have 110 million people in— they used to be in 110 million homes. It's about 60 million now. That's a big drop in a little bit of time. And 109.5 million of those homes were not watching my television show with my dad. They were paying for it, but they weren't watching. Our shows, my father's, all of the shows, they're just infomercials. They're infomercials for sports and for leagues. And if you have the rights on those leagues, of course you're gonna cover the hell out of basketball and football because you're just doing infomercials all day in order to get to the games. But the Knicks are in the middle of a championship here, and this is what's going to be talked about— America's champion, not the world playing. This parade of champions is going to be a story today because New York hasn't felt like this very often.
James Dolan, the White House— James Dolan's going to the White House. I don't know if the Knicks are going to end up going to the White House. Everything that's happening right here with James Dolan, where he's doing interviews and saying, yes, yes, of course, I'll write the biggest of checks to keep the team together 'But not if I have to go into the second apron. No, that's a check too far. I'm not— I'll write any amount of money, but not that amount of money.' And, and he's not going to keep Mitchell Robinson and Landry Shamet, no matter how much you're invested in them emotionally. James Dolan and being the center, the hood ornament of this, when he's been a truly epically unethical bad owner the entire time he has been in the sport.
So we just recorded 'Pablo Torre Finds Out' that's going to come out very soon about this very subject, and I gave some nuance on Nothing Personal this morning. I want to give you a little bit of nuance here. James Dolan was in the middle of a renaissance that comes with being an owner of a champion. You get the benefit of a doubt for a hot second. It may not last. If he owns the team for 15 more years and doesn't win again, then he's got one championship in 35 years of ownership, whatever the numbers end up being. But what he did to himself yesterday was a self-inflicted injury, which was totally unnecessary. It is very reasonable not to go in the second apron, even as an NBA champion. The second apron was developed in the CBA not to be put in by any team. And when teams are in there, they regret it. Mickey Arison is one of the great examples. Don't talk apron to me. I ain't going, and I still have multiple rings. It can be done. But why say it yesterday? He had an opportunity to glow in the rebirth of his reputation, and he crapped on it for no apparent reason other than what I can think of, Dan, which is that he just can't help himself, which may explain most people's—
Oh, he's got to be loving this, David. Like, he's just— this is— look, this guy's wanted to be— this guy's wanted to be more popular like a high school boy for a long time. He's got his own band and he is an epically bad owner. This does not change that. Like, he is— awful in almost any way you do the measurements, except that he has now won a championship. This is a name that's synonymous with— this guy is bad at ownership and controlling, and he shouldn't have that much control, because if he has control, he's going to do the wrong things with that control. As unpopular an owner as New York has ever had, and they had Steinbrenner, and this does not change that in any way. He is still all those things. His team just won.
Dan, I love— I love you. It's as though you were in on Pablo's show yesterday. You just said Steinbrenner, known as an epically bad owner. If you ask somebody outside of New York, like, let's say someone like a Dominique Foxworth, hey, what do you think of George Steinbrenner? First words: won a lot of World Series. Just think about what you're saying for a minute.
When you talk about when he had the most money and in this sport, the salary captain, you got to be smarter than the other people. And Dolan hasn't been. And he's an awful person. Like, objectively, I agree.
He's an awful person.
And I know people who have worked for him and he's a nightmare, much like Steinbrenner was to work for. However, James Dolan has changed his reputation, no matter what you or Pablo say. No, he's not. He has now won a championship.
It's asinine. Asinine what you're saying.
It's— I didn't say—
No, no, you don't.
You don't get to be a horrific— you don't get to be a horrific human being and then your team wins a championship because you have a lot of money and then you're not a horrific human being anymore.
That's not how that works. I didn't say he wasn't a horrific human being. I said there's been incremental change in his reputation because he now has a ring, and they will never take that away. He is the owner who brought a championship to New York for the first time in 53 years. He was sued yesterday because all of our personal information is in the hands of cyberterrorists. There's a class-action lawsuit, and you know what? He's still a championship-winning owner.
He's come off like an owner who loves to meddle and loves to talk and didn't do a whole lot of talking for the last few years, really, since they hired Leon Rose. And now that they've won, it's like, oh great, I could talk again. I could say whatever I want. That's exactly what's been happening for the last few days now.
And he'll keep doing that, Zazz. And that is who he is. And he will end up burying himself as he started yesterday with the apron talk and the White House talk. But guess what? No one will think twice about the apron if the Knicks defend their championship and win another one next year. No one will say a word about Mitchell Robinson or Shamit Because at the end, what the fans want is they want rings.
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Okay, uh, PTFO is now is now out, and Pablo has been doing a wonderful job with that show in a number of different ways. He and David are Pulitzer winners with some of the work that they have done on that show, as well as Amine, who's at the parade. I'd like to get Amine. I don't know what has happened here. I just saw Mike Breen in a suit at the parade, and I'm like, oh no, Mike. Mike, what have you done?
Only guy in a suit in a square mile.
No, Mike, I put it on the poll at Levittard Show. Is Mike Breen always in a suit even when he's naked? Because you can't go to the parade in a suit.
Well, he might be an emcee at the podium.
Can't go in a suit.
You gotta go polo. He should be in a tank top.
Or polo. No, look, Mike Breen can look good under all circumstances except wearing a suit at a parade. Like, he's gonna, and that's like Wall Street. There'll be plenty of people there who are dressed, and no, Mike, don't dress like them. Not at a parade, not when we're celebrating, not when, when we're celebrating Washington Heights because Karl-Anthony Towns wants to touch the people.
Shout out to Dykeman.
The most Hispanic moment in the history of basketball, him winning at the center of that thing.
It really is, Dan.
If we really want to talk about it, it is the most Hispanic moment in NBA history.
Yeah.
It's close.
It's either that or that guy who played with gel in his hair for Puerto Rico at 40 years old in the Olympics, Ortiz.
Manu Ginóbili killed a bat with his bare hands. Easy.
I don't think of Ginóbili as Hispanic, the same kind of Hispanic.
There are different kinds.
I disagree with Dan.
There are different kinds of Hispanic. He's a noted Argentinian.
Yeah, I do hate Argentina, and I have a lot of preconceived notions, which is weird because I'm part Italian, and yet I escape it.
Not all Hispanics are the same, and while Ginóbili— they're not all the same.
They're not.
Don't say they're all the same. Don't say, "Whoa, we're all the same, Jeremy. We're all the same." Huh, Jeremy?
We're not all the same.
I didn't peg you as if they're all the same.
We're all the same.
I have nothing to do with this.
Do we all look the same to you?
You should try to peg him.
Just qualifying.
We look all the same to you.
I'm not into this.
That's why that one got me.
Mexicans, Argentinians, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, you're not all the same, Jeremy.
I'm surprised.
They speak Spanish. I don't know what we're doing with Argentinians other than pointing out their curious history and why everyone has blue eyes.
Jeremy, I'm sorry. Minor penalty, 2 minutes.
Accidental racism.
Hispanics are not all the same. We're not all the same. Puerto Ricans are not the same as Mexicans. Yes, David.
Dan, my first day in Miami, when I met with the marketing department, I wanted to do Hispanic marketing. And I thought that it would just be, you market to Cubans, you market to Mexicans, you market to South Americans, people from Ecuador. I thought just put an ad in Spanish and that is Hispanic marketing. And I was taught, I just didn't know, and I learned very quickly that it's totally different marketing, totally different language, different messages to Cubans in Miami, to Mexicans, to every different type of Hispanic. Mm-hmm. So I understand someone thinking all Hispanics are the same, but I learned that that in fact is not the case, and it was literally the first marketing meeting I ever had in 2002 in Miami.
When I tell you that Pablo Torre is doing good work, it's today, now, it is Samson and Dominique, and Dominique is gonna be here next week spending some time with us. Chris Cody, can we include David Samson on the conversation from a couple of days ago? Just present— I don't want to contaminate the jury pool, so you present to David the winning argument that you believe you have on you should behave this way at a grocery store.
David, I feel like you'll agree with me that it's okay to do this, okay? If I'm in a grocery store, I got a cart full of stuff, I got a bunch of creamed corn, a can— cans of creamed corn, because like I'm making a nice corn soufflé, and my wife texts me, hey, "Hey, we don't need creamed corn, we actually have a bunch," and I'm like 7 aisles away from where I got the creamed corn, I'm just going to take those 2 cans of creamed corn that I have and put them wherever, whatever aisle I'm in.
On the Mother's Day cards.
On the Mother's Day cards, anywhere. I'm putting it out, I'm putting it anywhere, David. You agree with me on this.
Nah, this is an easy one. You take it with you to checkout, and you give it to the people at checkout and say, "I'm not taking this." But that's not as fun. And they have a pile.
That's not as fun, though.
You can't put it in the wrong place. That is just wrong for the next people.
But I sometimes, while walking through a grocery store, see a misplaced item and it makes me smile because I'm like, oh, I've done— there's a lot of me's out there.
Yeah. No, that— you're doing it wrong. Try, try. Just keep it in your cart. And then as you're putting it on the belt, you point out to the cashier, hey, I'm not taking this. Don't ever put something in the wrong place.
How about as a crime at the grocery store? What's worse, that one or Chris's other one?
The shopping cart. I mean, like I said, I just kind of defend— I think people are hypocrites with this, David. This whole shopping cart thing. If there's a corral near my car, I'm going to put it in it. But if there's no corral, I'm not walking all the way back into the store to put the cart in.
100%. You put it in between the back-to-back parking spots so that both cars can pull in.
That's right.
But so you put it parallel where the middle of the cart is the middle of the end parking line that represents the line between two cars.
I got messages from listeners yesterday who said that I'm 1,000% right, where I like to take the cart, I put it on the opposite side of the parking lot. I don't care. And I got messages from people who have worked at supermarkets. They love that because it's more time that they get to just prance around in the parking lot and not work. I was right.
YouTube chat, you're lazy. I'm not lazy, you're lazy.
Okay, take your— take your arguments with the YouTube chat into another room. I don't want them getting in the way of our show. And find me Amin, please, as we close this out with David Sampson, because the parade has started. Amin's there. We'd have dodgy internet, and I'm gonna have to go to Jess before I go to Amin because she's gonna be in position and ready. Do we know if Jess is gonna be able to get in there, given that the police have told us that 2 hours early they shut that down? David, you don't strike me much as a parade guy. Uh, would you have any interest in anything that's happening out there?
No, I will only be in parades, not watching parades.
Wow. Jerk.
That is— so you've retired from that game?
Yes, I am. I am done. I'm done. I was in one parade and it was awesome. And I would not go to this parade if you paid me money. So I'm glad you didn't ask me to cover this, Dan, because I would have had to have said yes to you. I could have— I could have pulled the sick daughter card, but I wouldn't have done it. I would have done what you would have asked. But I would have been despondent at that assignment.
Pitch clock is going to be later in the show. I want to get to David's review for a second, but to just indulge Jeremy, who takes a bit of a beating around here for reasons that are earned.
He really does.
Can you tell me if Otto Lopez is an all-star? For Jeremy, he wants to know if, if he can get Otto Lopez into the Major League All-Star Game.
It's a guarantee. Who else do you think would represent the Marlins?
Well, he's saying they should have—
they'll have multiple.
It's not going to be— it'll be Max Meyer will be the pitcher. And I would say there is a 90% chance that Otto Lopez will be a second. If they can keep hovering around .500, they'll have 2 All-Stars. It won't be Hicks. It won't be Edwards.
You don't think Edwards should make it? Is he deserving?
He could, but I just don't see him sliding into either. I don't think the managers choose him. I don't think obviously the fan vote, and I don't think the players will either. Too much depth there. But Lopez and Meyer, I believe, will be all-stars. You don't have to worry. But don't do a Brunson. Don't do that on this show because— don't make fun of it. Otto Lopez is a deserving all-star and he will get there on his own accord. He doesn't need the—
Brunson.
Brunson. Sarcasm. Brunson.
Oh, I just think our show should use the audience that we have to get a deserving all-star. And that's not how we roll to be.
Right.
Starting also—
That's not the show, number one. Number two, he'll never be voted in. He will never be voted in.
I'll use Pitch Clock to do that.
Pitch Clock is later in the show. Bring on Ameen here. We've only got 2 minutes left. So I'm now gonna combine David's movie segment with Ameen's bad internet. This is also Wemby, the sound that Wemby makes when he joins us without his mask on. I don't know what's happening here. I cannot see Ameen. Amin, give us a live report from the parade that may just be a phone because your video stinks.
Yeah, no video. It doesn't stink, it just doesn't exist because the signals are jammed. There are way too many people in Lower Manhattan, so we can't get a single signal here. The parade has started late because apparently the Knicks could not get to the start of the parade because there were so many people in the streets blocking traffic. They couldn't start the parade on time. Because they couldn't even get to the floats. Uh, it's pandemonium out here. I've never seen this many people in one place at one time. The number of people who aren't in the parade zone, right? There's a security zone with NYPD counterterrorism, uh, kind of running the security checks. Then there's like 100 yards, and then there's a barricade, then there's another barricade, and that's where the rest of humanity is. And it's just a sea of people everywhere.
Uh, David, uh, please walk me through. We are a video company in the modern age that spent a lot of time just yelling at ESPN CNN for its World Cup stills. And now we've got Sean McGill with a dangerous backpack in hard— in the middle of New York. They've gotten into the parade, but we can't get any video from the parade. We've just got a still of Amin in a Knicks jersey.
Your thoughts? I think it would have been nicer to have not gone to him at all, but I love you, Amin. But that was just not acceptable, Dan, by any stretch.
Okay, no time for David's review. Sorry, no time for your movie review. We had to go out to a phone line in the modern age in 2026. Ameen will next be sending his future reports with a stamp that costs 78 cents. Thank you to Sean McGill and Ameen for joining us from the lowest rung of the show business ladder. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
"Oh, Chris, this is a joke."
Mike and David are diametrically opposed when it comes to ESPN's coverage of the World Cup, but David ALSO has thoughts on parades, grocery store shopping carts, and trade discussions. But if you want him to praise James Dolan, that's a horse of a different color.
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