Transcript of Eagles Spit Takes, Week 1 NFL Picks, and a Possible Clippers Scandal With Joe House

The Bill Simmons podcast brought to you by FanDuel Sportsbook, where you should be doing all of your wagering as we head into football season. I'm so excited. We have a big football podcast coming for you in a second with House. Rewatchables went up on Monday. We did the Foreigners movie. We did American Gangster. I also put up three BS podcasts already this week, The Sunday with Sal, Guess the Lens, Charles Barkley on Tuesday, Peter Schrager on Wednesday. So this is podcast Number 4, we have a whole bunch of great podcast stuff going across the network right now. Football, Zack Lo is back. Don't forget about him. A lot of pop culture. Sean Fentacy is back on the big picture. Chris Ryan is back on the watch. Prestige TV, that's coming back this weekend because me and Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney are going to be breaking down an HBO show called Task, which is awesome. It is so good. I can't wait for you watch it. We just love this show, so we're going to be talking about it every week, finding the Prestige TV podcast. And then the Wedding Scammer podcast that we did, there's an epilog now because the star of that podcast, who didn't want to be the star, but he became the star, was arrested.

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Well, it looked good in the third period. We had a hockey game. Yeah.

Post-lightening. But they were flying around and hit guys. The first half, they looked terrible. But I was thinking they could have stolen this game, and they were one guy short. And then CeeD Lamb, obviously, big drop down the stretch.

Here's the one guy short, and this was the criticism of the team building in the offseason. They attempted to address the running back room, and they got half of it right. But Miles Sanders put the mother effing ball on the carpet at the Eagles 10-yard line, and that was the difference in the football game. In the third quarter, when neither team had stopped the other, we hadn't seen any punts up to that point. Each team was scoring at will, and Miles Sanders put the ball on the field. That's a replacement level running back. And that's what happens team building-wise when you're not building with a serious eye. So that would be my criticism.

Or when you're not paying an advertising company, it's a circumventive salary cap. Not that anyone did that.

Oh, boy.

It's 24/20 third quarter. Dallas is driving third and like 22, and there's a huge late hit on the Philadelphia safety on the tight end, on a pass that's already incomplete. And it feels like Dallas is going to take the lead. And there's real energy because the Eagles look a little lethargic on offense. Sanders fumbles the next play. Lightning delay. And then we have this NBC crew that we've poked some fun at on some various pods, now forced to fill for a solid hour. This was not on the agenda. Jack Collinsworth is like, Wait, I have to... Is this a podcast? What's going on here? And had the other crew, and it was just not great TV. I moved over to the US Open. What did you do during the lightning delay?

Did you eat? No, I slept. I knew what this was going to take. Grand, quick shut-eye. Porto Rico slept also. He couldn't remember the name of the Eagles's quarterback. He called Jalen Hertz Prescott about six times after the rain delay.

Yeah. I mean, Neither of us are in any position to really make fun of people for forgetting names or doing malpropisms. But after the sixth time, he called Jalen Hertz Prescott, even I was like, wow.

We're not on TV.

Yeah, this is tough.

It was a very even game, though. Look at the numbers.

Yeah, you know what it was? It was a classic dumb week one game. Sure. I learned nothing. I don't know what was going on with the Eagles's offensive line. Jalen Carter, we haven't even talked about that yet, gets thrown out for We're spitting.

We just even it up. We have star defensive linemen from each team. He immediately even the score in that regard.

Yeah, that's a good point. Maybe he felt bad for the Parsons trade. So he spits in that press So they get a guy hurt on the opening kickoff. And as they're carding the dude off, Jalen Carter spits on Prescott, gets thrown out. We don't see until halftime. This video, Prescott spitting toward- The direction, yes. Yeah. I don't know if that warranted the spit on the chest. That's just fucking gross.

Really didn't.

I don't feel like Prescott was violated enough.

One's a penalty and one is not. I mean, they're saying that Carter might face additional penalties.

Yeah. On the gross spit scale, on a scale of zero to Bret Hart, Hawking, a loogie on Vince McMahon in the Montreal screwjob match, which is the most disgusting spit anyone's ever spit at anyone else. This was, I think, about a four. I think if you named it a little higher and got some of the neck, that maybe gets that to a six.

I'm glad he didn't.

But he basically put it right here. But I would still... Would you think about a Jersey change at that point? I'm not sure.

I did wonder, did somebody run out with wipes? I didn't see the aftermath. But I'm surprised to hear you say that you didn't learn anything, because to me, immediately what strikes the eye is how competent Dallas is is on offense when Dak Prescott is the quarterback. It's radical how competent their offense is. And Pickens and CD, that's a problem. They'll figure out holding on to the ball. You know the Pickens is going to have one dumb penalty a game, but they can get vertical, and Dak is happy to throw the ball down the football field. I thought that Dallas offense, especially the script on the first drive, was magnificent. Now, they did get take advantage of the offensive line being able to push around the Eagle front without Carter, and they were able to establish the run with Williams. But I thought it was a pretty masterful script. Schoenheimer was in his bag, and Dak Prescott is a badass.

I think that's fair. So maybe I was discounting it a little because the Eagles had already lost a few guys in free agency, and they lose one of the 12 or 13 best defensive players in the league. I don't know where he ranks, but Carter is certainly the best guy in the Eagles, and he's out before the game even starts. And it just felt like it tilted the Eagles the Eagles in the wrong direction. I wrote down to your point, Dallas looked a little discount Cincinnati-ish to me. Okay. Not quite burrowed Chase Higgins, but in the vicinity of a reasonable impression of them. And I thought Dak was slinging it around. There were a couple of good pick-ins plays. They get a big pass interference with Pickens, too, so that doesn't count in the stats. And then Liam's wide open on that long pass. Of course, if you flip it around the other way, the Eagles dropped at least two interceptions. True. Did all that stuff. I also thought, let's be honest, how many hospital balls did Dak throw? At least five? Oh, poor Ferguson. Holy macros. He's just leading people in the death. It's like watching Steve Grogan in the '70s.

But Dallas goes, Touchdown, TD, field goal, field goal, no punts in the first half, and they're trailing. Not a good sign.

Well, I mean, it's according to script. We anticipated that the Dallas defense was going to be vulnerable. And it took the first two periods of the game for them to figure it out. Third period, they were pretty good, though, to your observation. They were flying around.

Why do you keep saying period? You're like doing hockey.

We had three portions to the game.

We had the first half. We had the first half. We had the first half.

And then we had the third quarter, and then we had the rain delay, and then we had the fourth quarter. I'm calling it periods.

I think the Eagles, they seemed a little thrown off after the tragic death of A. J. Brown. Oh, wait, I'm being told he was alive for four hours. Where was he? Did he play? Was he hurt? Where was he?

It's amazing. They stuck with the same script. I mean, they had one completion of eight yards or more until they finally got one down the field to Jehan Dotson for a 50-yarder. But look at the attempts, the completions, and the total yardage for Hertz. Hertz threw the ball less than 25 times, completed less than 20, and ended up with about 150 yards of passing. The big advantage is still the running. Can I give you a theory before you keep going? Can I give you a theory? I'm listening.

I think they had a Well, they out and burled this one.

Okay. They got at Kansas City in week 2, Ram's week 3, at the Bucks in week 4, Bronco's week 5, and then at Giants, at Vikings.

So just good defenses across the board. This to me feel like, how much Can we pull out of the zipper and still get the pea in the urinal? I don't know. Kind of a game.

You can't lose week one, though, to a divisional opponent. I mean, I feel like- I get it, but do you think they were ever really worried they're going to lose?

Because the way they coached in that game, I thought it was pretty strange.

Dallas had the ball with three minutes left and men were moving.

Did you feel like there was urgency on offense for the Eagles? I did not. No. It was like, Oh, let's run this cool play. Oh, here's this formation. They won't be expected. They were like the most misogyny position offense I've ever seen. Especially in the fourth quarter. It was just the most boring version of the Eagles you could possibly get.

For sure in the fourth quarter. That's absolutely accurate.

The whole second half.

Okay.

I thought if Hertz hadn't busted some plays with his legs, so basically some broken plays that didn't work. I don't know. I just thought it was weird. But this is why, again, I'm trying not to say I learned anything from week one because we do this in week one every year. And these teams are going to be radically different. I do have a couple of questions for you, though. I had the Eagles over 11 and a half wins. Did you have them over or under?

Over. Or right at it. I wanted to pick them to win 11.

I think we Both had a whiff over.

It was either 11 or 12. I don't want to misrepresent.

I had over. I'm wavering a little after watching that because I just didn't think their front seven looked as fierce as it used to, and I didn't think their offensive line looked that good.

We can't possibly have an opinion on their front seven without Carter. I get it. He's too important.

I get it. Just like, watching that team today, I was like, Man, 12 and five with the next six games they have, especially. I don't know I would go over after watching what I watched today. But again, it's a week one over.

The reason that you would say right around 11-ish with some regression from last season is because it takes time for new bodies on that defense to get the fan geo scheme. And that's just we've seen it so many times everywhere he goes. It just takes a minute. And they have tremendous turnover on defense.

It's like six new starters. So as a Washington Seawards fan, you didn't watch that game and go, oh, doors this season. I think we can catch these guys.

I need to see the Washington defense first before I have an opinion on what Washington is capable of. I'm not worried about the offense.

This is like a sober house. Maybe we should have thrown some shots in it. This is a reasonable house.

It's money-making time. We are squarely in the mode of time to go try cash and tickets. I had Dallas tonight. I said Dallas on the show with Cousins Al and DeBundo. I'm happy. That was too many points. It played out just like the way you said. A dumb week, one game. But these teams were close, and Dallas showed us... This is one of my favorite bets of the entire preseason was Dallas over at seven and a half. That team is at least an eight-win team with that Offense? You kidding me? With that offense? Eight and nine?

Okay. Somewhere between six and nine, but I would probably lean toward the six, seven range. I think that at the very least, when they're getting a lot of points like that, they're a backdoor cover team waiting to happen. Sure. Okay. If they were up 11 in that game with five minutes left, I just would have assumed they were going to come down and score. But I do think they're very similar to the Bengals. That was one of my big things that I thought might be the case heading into the season, and that's definitely the case now.

I'll say this. Their offensive line might be better than the Bengals because Dak had time and they established the run. It's not. But if you're going to compare them to the We're making it seem like Dak was Tom braided in 2007.

He was 188 yards for no touchpoints. But pass interference and a couple of drops. That probably could have been a little bit better. Next question for you. Do you think the Giants, after what you saw today, can the Giants have a chance to definitively have the best defense in the NFC East? I guess we'll find out on Sunday after we're going to look at it.

We're going to find out. We We had that in our threads on paper. It's apparent. And the way that these two defenses played, again, the Eagles without Carter. So it's not really appropriate as a measure for what that defense is capable of.

By the way, they might be with Adam in week two.

Fair enough.

The whole spitting fiasco. Dallas has their next... What do they got? They have Home Giants, At-Bears, Home Packers. It's their next three. That feels like one and three.

That's a tough start to the season.

Next thing I have for you before we get to all of our pics and everything else we already did. The taunting thing. I just got to get this off my chest. Every year, they have to throw one dumb new wrinkle with how to affect the style of play. I almost feel like so it can be a conversation point for people like us and for people watching the game on social media. They want to tweak one thing and make it weird and make people go, wait, what just happened? And today it was the taunting where I think it was who's it, Nolan Smith, good tackle, did a bodybuilder pose after. Yeah, a little flex. And it was a huge play because I think it would have been like third and 12, third and 13, gets the taunting. Nobody knows what's going on. And about a half hour later, the Eagles get the fumbler recovery. And I forget who got the fumbler, but he leads everybody sitting in the end zone so they can do a choreographed 15-second push-push celebration. And it's like, so on the one hand, I can't taunt anybody. I can't elevate in any way any aggression.

On the other hand, take 15, 20, 25, 30 seconds to taunt the entire team with some goofy celebration. What are we trying to do here? Which way are we going?

Get somebody who knows what they're talking about on that's not me. But my instinct is that their taunting goal is to not have guys in the face of other guys. And then, Nolan Smith was too close, too proximate to a Dallas guy because they're trying to lower the temperature. They don't want hand-to-hand combat. But that's just a dumb theory.

Is that just football? Isn't that what's supposed to happen? You have a hit, you do something, and then you let it out?

It's a rule for nobody. Who is that? What What goal are we serving with calling a penalty on the Nolan Smith play? In whose interest are we asserting that this is outside the bounds of conduct that's desirable?

Yeah. And by the way, this is a game that had multiple big fights in it and a guy spitting on the quarterback of the other team. So I don't know. The shit might have sailed. I don't know what they're trying to do with this, but I feel like that taunting thing, it's going to swing a game at some point in these first three weeks and people are going to lose their fucking minds.

Properly so.

It's going to be like, fourth down, two minutes left, big play, some dumb taunting thing. All of a sudden, a second, fourth down, and they convert it.

It's the worst penalty because it is 1,000 % in the judgment of the referee standing there to make a quick snap assessment as to whether or not it rises to the level of a foul. And that's the worst because there is no bright line. Nobody watching the tonight's game would say, oh, he crossed the line. We don't even have to have a debate as to whether or not Noah Smith crossed the line. He didn't. We've seen that football play 10 million times. It's perfectly within bounds. Nobody's upset. Good job by him with the tackle. Good job by him celebrating. Can we just play football? No. We're going to have these judgment calls by these guys who are coming from bad angles, trying to make a judgment. And like you say, it's going to tilt the outcome and it's going to make everybody lose their minds.

He would have been better off leading his teammates over the side and performing the Macarena with them. They would have been like, This is great. Hey, Macarena.

That's a penalty. Penalty on you.

A bad musical choice.

I'm still a flag on you.

All right. Well, we didn't learn that much today. We did learn, though, that that was too many points, and it's something maybe that we should consider going forward. We talked about a couple of the higher line games, but just in general, week one, clumsy, weird, awkward, new guys in new places. Nobody's practiced enough, and just let's be careful out there. We are going to take a break, and then House and I are going to bang out the week one. The week one, in the first batch of Ringer 107 Picks. I can't wait, House. Let's go.

Let's go.

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That's so nice of you to say. I'll say for me, it felt like the three of us have been pals for 30 years. Then the Bundo fit in seamlessly. It gave It's a nice energy to the old guys, me and because. But yeah, man, the thing that the three of us have in common, dirty gamblers. I mean, we are going to get on these Wednesdays. You got it.

That's what the only idea I sent you guys was, let's get weird. The last segment should just be the weirdest bet you actually might make during the week. And we're going to talk about a ton of bets right now. So we're in this Ringer 107 contest that it's going to be our show against the fantasy football show, the Thursday Ringer gambling show, the Friday Ringer gambling show, and then Sheil Capotia solo Unibomber style on Friday. It's just on his pod.

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And we're picking five games a week and then 17 games during the play-ups. It's 107 picks total. We are apparently favored on FanDuel to win this contest house.

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Old, wise guys. That's it. Just doing great. We're going to go through the whole slate, and I want to initially go through the stay away bets because there are a few of them. What we did was, House and I, you're going to have one, I'm going to have two, and we're going to agree on two, and that's going to be our five. One of those is going to be a parlay. But this gives us a chance to go through the entire suite. And there's some stay aways. But I'm really surprised how much I like the slate. Do you find as you look at it, and maybe we've just been staring at these teams for four or five months, but I feel like I have a really good handle this week. How about you?

So I totally agree. One of the things I found myself doing this week was reconsidering some... I had strong conviction at the beginning of the week.

The line started- Too strong?

Well, this is the concern. Some of the lines started moving in the direction against the sides that I like, the price got more expensive. So I was like, damn it. If everybody is betting in the direction that I want to go, the Ravens went from underdogs to favorites over the course of the week. There was a half point added to the Jags and the Panthers over the last couple of weeks. There's more and more examples. Everybody is on the Giants. That line is all the way down to five and a half. It was seven early in the season.

I couldn't believe that. That was going to be one of my picks. I thought we were going to be able to get Giants plus seven and a half. Now it's basically under six.

Yeah, it's five and a half right now on the FanDuel sportsbook. So I got nervous. And as a result, when we have this conversation about what we end up with, I just went back to of the hits, man. I'm like, who can I trust? What quarterback and coach can I trust to get the job done in week one, Bill Simmons?

I'm so excited that we're going to be aligned this year. I did Million Dollar Picks for a while. It was fun. The figures were confusing. I felt like at any time I could gain the system. This is just pure. We're doing 107 pics and we want to get to 60 wins. I want to go 1647. I would take 1647 right now.

Would you?

Really?

It's an incredible outcome. What do you mean you take that. Of course, you would take that.

It really takes 65 and 42, but 60 and 47.

It's an amazing outcome, 60 and 47.

I'm shooting for the stars. All right.

No reason not to.

All right. Stay aways. I have six. Browns, bangles. The browns are in Cleveland. That just made you spasm and hit your mic. Browns are in Cleveland. Bangles notoriously suck in the first two weeks of the season. I'm not sold in their defense. Neither are you. Browns plus five and a half. There's a lot of good home underdog division. You know all the bets, the home underdogs at home for week one or 23 and seven. I'm not taking the browns. I just crossed this one-off because if I had to bet, I would take the Browns. I'm crossing it off. So you agree with that, correct?

Totally fair. And I do agree. I think the one thing that especially counsels in favor of caution is what if the Browns defense is like the defense that they had at home in 2023? Remember that? And the Browns know the bangles. They give the bangles a hard time. There are a lot of reasons in favor of the Browns. And yet we're not betting on the Browns in week one.

Just not going to do it. Not betting in the Browns. If there was a bet, I'm just not betting on the Browns. I'm not betting on Joe Flacko. Nothing. If there was a bet I would do, I would do like an alt high bangles, like bangles winning by 20 plus. Okay. One of those.

I get it.

The bangles just blowing them out. It's like 35 to seven. It's like, Oh, the bangles, here they are. But I'm not going near that game.

It feels like if you're going to do that, do that or bet the Browns on the money line.

Stay away from this straight up. Next one is your team, the Washington Seawards. They're playing the Giants. They're home. The line has moved two points. I love the Giants. Now I'm scared. Not positive. The Giants are 100% healthy for this one either. And there's a lot of people on the bandwagon. It's one where I like the Giants being better than people think. I have Washington being worse than people think, but now it just feels silly now. I don't know how your team is giving less than six points.

Right. And I've said on this very podcast that I am very afraid of this particular matchup. Jane Daniels was good last year against the Giants, but Washington beat the Giants last year by three points and by five points. And the three points was in week two when the Giants did not have a field goal kicker, and as a result, had to go for it on. I forgot about that. Yeah. And that's the reason that Washington won that game.

I would probably do Money Line plus 220 Giants in the under. 45 and a half, some parlay if I played this game, but I think it's an official stay away. I don't like how many people are on the Giants. Next one is Colts Dolphins, which is just automatic as a stay away. I don't want to bet on the Dolphins. I don't want to bet on the Dolphins. I don't want to bet on Daniel Jones. The line is one and a half that the cousin I called the TikTok zone. Tyree Kill, there's some bleak stuff with him where he's limited practice. Again, I want to see... This is one of those where I want to see both teams. I want to know what's going on with the Dolphins D-backs. I want to know what's going on with their offensive line. I want to see, is that Ollie Gordon going to be awesome for Miami? I want to see, how are they going to use Daniel Dimes? Is Tyler Warrant just going to be awesome? Are they going to be able I'm going to throw the ball? I'm probably not going to see a lot of it because I don't know if this is making a multi-view for me.

Maybe watch for the highlights.

It's a good one for the highlights.

This is a stay away, correct?

A thousand % stay away. My lean would be Miami. Because I think that Schrager made a nice point, a nice observation. Not only the nobody believes in us, which is funny, but what they're returning on defense in terms of the front seven, Chael and Phillips and Chubb, whatever condition they're in, they're healthy this year, at least. Whatever they have in the tank. I mean, that's formidable. But I think you're right. Let's just stay the F away from that game.

I'm going to bold all these leans, and maybe we'll find out a couple of weeks from now that we should have done the leans instead of the actual Picks. This next one almost made the cut for me. It's the Falcons plus one and a half against Tampa. And Tampa is a team you and I both like, but Tampa is just really banged up.

It's another one. It It was two and a half all the way up until this week. And now everybody's looking at Atlanta getting points at home in a divisional underdog situation, and it's down to one and a half. I lost my enthusiasm for it. I like Atlanta in this game.

I do, too. Because and I talked a lot about how wait on Tampa, let them stumble a little bit in September with all the injuries they have, and then maybe bet on them for division.

That's right.

Columbus Day weekend range. I I just don't want to bet the Falcons, and I want to see them.

Pennex has started four games, and he didn't play in the preseason. And Raheem Palmer has been all over the quarterbacks that didn't make any appearances in the preseason and what the historical numbers are in terms of that. And that lines up for another basis for staying away from this game. They come out rusty. Those quarterbacks tend to come out rusty.

No left tackle for the Bucks for this game. Worfs is out. But I I think he's come back for a week, too, unless something changes over the next couple of days. And then the right tackle for the Falcon is gone for the year. Too many red flags all over the place. Plus, NFC South is just complete stay away. Rams, Texans. This is now Rams minus three. There's been some Rams money. I think it's because the Texans have had some... Kirk looks like he's going to be out. Nobody knows with the Texans runningbacks. And it feels like Stafford is playing, and it feels like the left tackle for the Rams is playing, too. My lean would be the Texans, especially with the points, because I think their defense is the best unit in the field. But I don't want to bet against McVay. Another stay away.

Well, the reason to bet against McVay is, historically, he and the Rams have had slow starts to the season. So if you wanted to talk yourself into the Texans, I was prepared to bet the Texans. I have bet the Texans already in a teaser. I had the Texans and the Broncos in a nice teaser. Of course, teasers are too expensive over the course of a season to make it worth your while. But I bet it over the summer. And I prefer the Texan side, but this injury situation, too many unknowns. Let's just watch them play football.

Stafford, I feel a lot of kinship with. An old guy with a bad back. Do you think you like seafood and spare-ups?

We could invite him out. He's in LA. He can have a seafood tower with us.

It just sounds like he should be sitting when Chris Chen finally invites you to play at Bel Air. Just staff are just sitting there at four o'clock talking about how much his back hurts. Unfortunately, he's the quarterback of the Rams. Yeah.

There we go.

Staying away, but very interested in that game. Yes. I think that's one of those where I really want to watch both sides, both units, because I think both teams have some upside as a possible contender, especially the Texans, because they're defense. Every fantasy league I'm in, I have the Texans defense.

Yeah, I love the Texans defense for sure. That one also, look at the total. It's 43 and a half, and I'm still fine with under on that game.

Me, too. So you're leaning Texans or Rams in that game. What's your lean? Texans. Texans. Texans. Yeah, me, too. All right. So we have all the same leans. And then the last one is Jet Stealers. Not only is this a stay away, I don't even have a lean. You could walk me in any scenario. If I had to, actually, I wish there was a way to bet on this on FanDuel, the The Stealers winning, but somehow not covering, I feel like, is in play. I think the Cousin South Special is in play. I don't know what to expect from Rodgers at age 42. I don't trust Justin Fields at all. Verra Tucker is out for the Jets now. I don't even have a lean house. Do you have a lean?

I do. And I almost put this in the mix. And the reason for that is because I do feel like I have a good feel for what the best unit on the football field will be. And it's the Pittsburgh Stealers defense. And the Pittsburgh Steelers always arrive. Tomlin always arrives at the beginning of seasons prepared. Week one last year, they were getting points on the road at Atlanta. That was one of my favorite best of the entire season, 2024. Week one, Stealers getting points. And we made some money early in the season riding the Pittsburgh Stealers because they show up defense. Their defensive unit was ahead of all of the other offenses that they faced in the early season. And that's what catapulted them to that 10-win total and put them in the playoffs. I like that unit against this Jets team, against the quarterback that they know, against a brand new head coach. Those were the reasons why I was willing to do something with Pittsburgh, but the line moved. Why did the line go from three to two and a half? This Pittsburgh has been favored by three all summer long, all the way up until this week, and now it's two and a half.

I don't like that. I want to know somebody tell me why that line moved.

It makes you nervous.

Yeah. Why is the line moving? Just sit tight. Just sit there.

Anyway. I'm staying away.

I understand.

If there's a play, it's probably Stealers and Under. Sure. Something like that. Stealers adjusted under where you bring it up to 49 points or something crazy with the Stealers minus two and a half.

I mean, literally, we might see 90 combined rushes in this game. The two teams might combine for 90 rush attempts.

The only thing that worries me, and this is why I barely even had a lean, was the Jets were so dysfunctional last year, not only from a coaching standpoint, but the Rodgers situation. And I have some of the stuff I've read about Aaron Glenn, and I just wonder, is this coming out of the gates? And they're just pounding the ball, and they have some identities. So I don't want to find out. I won't get to that.

They're still pounding on that defense. That's the reason why I feel like it's okay to stay away. Jj is all over the stealers. So that's another reason.

That's another reason to lean the Jets.

Or stay away. Come on, bro.

That's a low bro, bro.

I have to get out of him.

I had four that almost made the cut. And still might make the cut for all we know. Packers, Lions, Packers are minus two and a half against Detroit. That line bumped after the Parsons trade. There was a really interesting quote today, House, from Parsons, about how he was in the locker room getting treatment, and almost the entire team was in the locker in the locker room, and he was really thrilled. And he's like, I've never been part of a team where you could have said that. Just seems energized. And then there was some other stuff about this is why they got him. They wanted to pull him out of a relatively dysfunctional situation, put them in this infrastructure around good people with a great coach and just watch them blossom. I could see him going nuts in this game. You and I are both short on the lines this year because the coaching coordinator changes and the offensive the line stuff and the fact that they had such a good year last year. Something's holding me back house. There's some wide receiver injuries with the packers.

Yeah, that's one thing.

Parsons getting an injection made me a little nervous.

That's another thing.

And I don't know why the line is not three. And I think that's the number one thing for me, that it's just two and a half. I don't know why somebody would take the Detroit Outdoors in Lambo with bless of a line. I I can't quite get there. And I thought I was going to have the packers in Ringer 107. I was really, really convicted on it for most of the summer, and now no.

Well, here's a couple of things. In the first place, Dan Campbell has been excellent against Matt LaFleur and the Green Bay packers. He's 6-2. The Detroit Lions have gone into Lambo and beat the Green Bay Packers the last three years in a row. So that's how Dan Campbell is 6-2 Two against Matt LaFleur. Now, there are extraordinary numbers about the way that the packers under LaFleur start the football season. He has a great record, one of the best records in the entire NFL.

Is he like 90 % the last six years or something?

He's That's really good. It's in that vicinity for sure. Here's why... And by the way, the look ahead line on this was Detroit minus one and a half. Well, let me say... No, that's wrong. I'm sorry. It was Green Bay minus one and a half. I'm sorry. I misstated that.

It was more exciting when it was Detroit minus one and a half.

It was Green Bay minus one and a half. It's gone up a point, a full point, right. I am concerned that this is Detroit trying to tell the world, don't make that mistake of forgetting about us. They still have a ton of talent on both sides of the ball.

Like a borderline nobody believes in this case.

In this game. They're like, they see all of this chatter about Green Bay. People like us saying, We're happy to have our Green Bay futures, Green Bay to win the NFC North, Green Bay to make the playoff, Green Bay to make a deep run, Green Bay with speculative tickets on the Super Bowl, speculative tickets to win the NFC conference.

The fans go to the game and they're like, This is it. The Super Bowl run starts here. And then all of a sudden, Detroit's up 10-0.

Exactly. Yeah.

I'm with you. So we're both like, there's something about this game that just feels a little stay away-ish.

I'm all the way convinced to stay the F away. I just want to really enjoy the game. I mean, the other thing to remember is that Detroit last year, its hallmark was its physical play. And if you look at, especially the first eight games of the season, after teams played Detroit, their next games, they went out and got their asses blown off the football field. So we need to remember that going in. But for just that toughness factor, when Detroit has all of its defense, all those guys ready to play, let's just stay away from this one.

Raiders Pats. This has fallen to Raiders plus two and a half. González isn't playing this weekend. I don't know if it's been officially announced yet, but he has not practiced. It's clear that something bad happened with that ham string, and he's going to be out at least for week one, I think. That sucks. It's really changed how I feel about this Pats team because he's the best player in the defense. I think if there was a case for them, especially early in the season, it was going to be centered around their defense doing stuff I have Henderson playing right away, Diggs being able to play, which seems like it's going to happen. And I just the Gonzales thing scares me a little bit. Now, the Raiders don't really have a receiver. You necessarily have to shut down. It's Bowers.

Yeah.

And we're It would have been his job anyway. But I don't know. I haven't liked some of the vibe and some of the stuff I've heard the last couple of weeks about how the paths have no depth, how they're a little younger than people realize, how having this much turnover is hard. I still I don't have them in the playoffs, but it's the one I feel the worst. Well, because I picked it a week ago. I know.

You have to say it by it.

It's the one I can change it now, but it's probably the one I'm the most nervous about.

The season hasn't started yet.

No, I'm going to ride with it because they're scheduling schedule is so easy.

They used to be the team that was part of the easy schedule for other teams.

It's weird to say this. I think whoever wins this game gets the seventh seed. I can't believe I'm saying that for week one. But I have one of these two teams definitely in the playoffs, and I like the spot for the Raiders. They're going to come in. They're going to move. I have no idea if their defense is going to be any good. I have no idea if the Pats are going to be able to block Max Crosby. But I think the line is around right, and I think ultimately it's a stay away. I think a month ago, I would have said Pats, week one, I'm betting them.

Well, I'm glad because you're not requiring me to try and talk you out of the Pats in this game. And for all reasons you just mentioned. I think this is one where let's just see how this shakes out, because here's the thing. I don't know the answer to coach and quarterback. Which coach and quarterback do you trust more in this week one?

The thing with May, and I was watching him, it was interesting, the fantasy league I was in, fantasy draughts, basically a $1 guy. I don't think people are expecting a lot from him. I thought he was incredible last year for how bad his receivers were and how bad the line was, and he was running for his life every series, and he was a rookie, and he had the worst coaching staff. And I think I'm probably way higher on him that there's a chance he comes in this season, and he's just incredible. If I had to do anything in this game, I would probably tease the Raiders to eight and a half. But we're not doing that for Ringer 107, and I want to root for the path. Good. Okay. This next one, Cardinal Saints, you threw down as is one that you had a lot of interest in, so make the case. Cardinals minus six and a half at home against the Saints.

The Cardinals are at New Orleans.

Cardinals at New Orleans.

I knew this. And that's another one. I think the line, is it five and a half? Oh, it's six and a half. It stayed at six and a half. Okay.

Cardinals at the Saints, who everybody considers to be the worst team in the week.

So this is for the Cardinals, their coming out party for everybody that's invested in the idea that there is a step up for them, that Jonathan Gannon, this is the year, that defense, especially with his acumen in terms of scheming, they haven't had the personnel necessarily that fit the Gannon mold. They're supposed to have it this year. And the offense was a top 10 offense by a lot of advanced metrics last season. Kyler, over the course of the season, they had a legit chance to make the playoffs.

Do you ever feel good about betting on him? Ever?

Never. I try not to bet on the Cardinals. But in view of what we have all come to believe about the Saints. Now, here's the thing with the Saints and the reason why I'm glad you steered me away from them. They might have a decent defense. The defense was not an abject disaster last season. And especially at the beginning of the season. But on the offensive side of the ball, they still have a bunch of dudes. It's still Rasheed Shahid. It's still Olave. It's still Kamara. It's still Taysam Hill in that combo.

It's still a terrible quarterback. It seems like their offensive line is better because I bet them six weeks ago to have the worst record or be under three wins or whatever. And it does seem like the new coach bump, the nobody believes in us factor, the fact that not one person is even considering them to do anything. And because they have the worst quarterback situation of the Cleveland League, everybody's like, They're going to suck. But they did seem like they hit on their left tackle. It does It seemed like they have a bunch of guys back, and they got rid of Dennis Allen and that fucking terrible coaching staff.

And the draft pick, that rookie has a multiple effect, a multiplying effect in moving that the bum who was one of the worst left tackles in NFL over the guard, where he has less impact. The thing with Rattler is they only average twelve points with him at quarterback. But look, all those guys were hurt. Kelenmore with his acumen. Now, Kubiak did his best, we would say, last season when they came out and went back to back games, we went to 40 points. But it fell apart because of the injuries. Nobody had worse luck, injury-wise, than the Saints last season on the offensive line.

So week one, Saints home voodoo just looming, right? We've seen it a bunch of times. I think everybody is going to pick the cards or throw them in a tease or put them in an elimination pool. They just put them in a money parlay. Just throw the cards in. They're playing the Saints. It'll be fine. Meanwhile, the Saints are at home, which makes me nervous. And how many times has Kyla Murray completely fucked a parlay or tease up? I can't think of maybe Trevor Lawrence.

But Kyla The Murray corollary.

Out of all the under-30 quarterbacks, who has destroyed more parlays and teases? Who's let you down more? I wouldn't go near this game. If I did anything, I would bet Saints Money Line because I feel like Remember, bangles pats last year, week one? The pats beat the bangles, 16-10. It's like, whoa, who saw that coming? There's going to be a who saw that coming this week. I think it's either this one or the next one we're going to talk about, which is Denver, a line that has climbed out of minus eight and a half at home. Everybody's on them, including me. I have a staggering amount of future bets on them. They're playing Tennessee, rookie quarterback on the road. There's a million stats about a rookie QB first start. Go against them straight up. The spread bets aren't great. Denver's defense, they run it up at home. They have 14 plus win. Victories from last year, they had a bunch of them. There's all these signs. Just throw them in a tease. It'll be fine. I'm not as worried about this one because I really believe in Denver. There's a spot when we do the Ringer 107 that we can potentially put them in.

But the line is so high. Like, House, did you think about Tennessee plus eight and a half?

No, I did not. But I would not bet Denver at eight and a half. It's too many points. It's the point that you just made. It's way too high. There's not a 10-point difference between these two teams, especially the only thing that counsel is in favor of confidence in Denver is What if Callahan is the same moron that he was last year?

Because I can't- What if their special teams are off? What if their coaching is bad? Yeah.

I've said it before. No team was less prepared, worst prepared week in and week out than the Titans. And that's how they went 2 and 15 against the spread. An all-time historical low mark against the spread because they were just ill-prepared week in and week out.

And I was dying to pick them as the seventh seed because of the schedule, because I I really think Cam Ward is going to be potentially a special QB. The coach, he's going to all of a sudden be a good coach. He was awful last year. Awful. The staff was awful. The game management was awful. The special teams was awful. Awful. It's just going to be better. I don't get it. All right. Now it's time for a special part of today's episode brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV, our friend. If you're an NFL fan like me in house, you got to subscribe to NFL Sunday I get. Get every game every Sunday all in one place. You can watch up to four games at once with Multiview. Also, I would highly recommend just subscribing to YouTube TV because then you get your own local games. You get Washington. I get the LA games here, and you can put that in the Multiview. I have good news, house. Once again, YouTube has crowned me their CMO, Chief Multivue Officer. You've earned it. I'm going to tell you what I think we should do.

Local and national games on YouTube TV. Nfl sending a ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games and commercial use device and content restrictions apply. Terms of embargoes apply. No refunds. All right, House, here's what we got. We're going to do the one o'clock games on the East Coast. So that's 10 o'clock Pacific time. We have eight games. We're going to figure out a multi-view. Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Cincy, Cleveland, Miami, Indianapolis, Carolina, Jacksonville, Vegas, Pats, Card Saints, Steelers, Jets, Giants Washington. So I think our teams have to be in it. There's two. Giants Washington's in. By the way, I can't wait to watch Giants Washington. Home run, Vegas Pats, Home run. Those are two good ones. Carolina, Jacksonville, to see the points and the Travis Hunter piece?

I'm literally shocked that that's the first game that I thought I was going to have to convince you that that's one for us to watch. That's one that's going to be- It's going to be in Ringer 107 for us, too.

But yeah, it does. I want to see the Travis Hunter piece.

I want to see your boy Trevor Lawrence with Liam Cohen, an actual, genuine article, a guy who understands modern NFL offense. The average depth of target for Trevor Lawrence was over nine yards last year. Nobody stood back there and just got blasted because they're running down the effing football field. They can't protect that man. And Liam Cohen turned around Baker Mayfield's career Rear. Baker turned around on his own.

But what Liam Cohen did for him- You're using... Say this for Ringer 107. Jacksonville, Carolina, three. What's your fourth one? Is it Tampa, Atlanta? Is it Stealers Jets? I It's a rock fight?

We can't have both the AFC South and the NFC South. I don't think that's the way- Is it Santee, Cleveland? It might be Santee, Cleveland for me because honest to God, I want to see those two.

It's just a fantasy, bro. Okay.

I would want to see those defenses. I want to see those defenses, both of them, both the Browns defense and the Bengals defense.

So we'll go Santee, Carolina, but then keeping Arizona, New Orleans, back pocket. Back pocket. And let's go to New Orleans where it's 10 to three. The Saints are leading. Anyway, That is... Thanks again to YouTube for crowning me their chief multi-view officer with every game, every Sunday, your finger chips, choosing the ones that deserve a spot on your multi-view screen is serious business. That's why they made me the CMO. Never miss a moment of the action with NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. And for a limited time only, get $36 off NFL Sunday ticket using code BS36 at checkout. New users only while supply last ends 9: 22. Go to youtube. Com/bs to sign up now. Local and national games on YouTube TV. Nfl Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games and commercial use device and content restrictions apply. Terms of embargoes apply. No refunds. Okay, Ringer 107. It's time. It is brought to you by Fandil, our friends. We love Fandil, and we're going to pick five names. And again, we're competing against all the other shows. Fandil made us the favorites. You have one pick. I have two picks, and we're going to agree on two.

And I'm going to give you the first pick, and I think I know what it is. It's involving the Chiefs Chargers game. What is it?

It's a true story. I already tipped my hand in view of the slate and some of the considerations we've just gone through about games we decided were stay aways. Let me have the coach-quarterback combination that I trust the most. This is a divisional matchup on a neutral field. The Kansas City Chiefs have owned the Chargers over the last handful of years, especially Mahomes and Andy Reid. And Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid don't lose in week one. The only loss that you can point to, they're five and two against the spread, six and one straight in the seven seasons with Mahomes as a starter. They lost that Detroit game in 2023, but Chris Jones was out for that game. And I think- He was holding out. Yeah, Chris Jones was holding out, and Travis Kelsey was out as well. So what I'm really buying here, though, is this Chief's team loaded up for this season. It is, I think, a good argument that this is the best receiver room that Patrick Mahomes is going to enjoy in what? Three seasons? Four seasons, at least?

I would say for week seven, it will be. He's got no rest for the first six weeks.

I understand, but still, Hollywood Brown and Xavier worthy, that's better than quite a bit of what they went through last This is the season.

Zombie, Kelsey, Pacheco's back. Offensive line's better. Schrager talked about it when he was on the pod earlier this week. There's some, oh, wait, you don't think we're the guys anymore? You don't think Mahomes Holmes is in the top spot. There's some little swagger. And neither of us like the chargers.

Neither of us like the chargers.

I think we both have chargers under bets and no playoff bets. I know I do. I think you do, too, as well. Losing their left tackle four weeks before this season, probably the second best player in the team. Not great. They said they're starting Hampton, which I thought was interesting. I thought they were going to split time, but maybe it seems like they're going to try to get, and they're probably going to try to run on the Chiefs, but Best of luck.

One of the best run defenses in the NFL.

Here's why I'm with you, and I'm glad you picked this one. When we did Guess the Lines on Sunday, I picked Chiefs by 6, even though it was a neutral field, and Sal laughed. That's a lot. Who's betting the Chargers in this game?

Fair point.

You take the Chargers? You couldn't get me to even sniff them until it gets to plus 6. Chiefs minus 3 is a fucking miracle.

You know my field.

What a great first 107. Let's back Patrick Mahomes. I was talking about how Josh Allen might have taken the conch from him this year as the most reliable QB in the lead. But let's back our guy. He's not chubby, Pat, but he's doughy, Pat?

I don't know. I wouldn't.

He's a little doughy, right?

Is he?

Is he Doughy?

I don't think so.

I thought he was taking shit for being Doughy. That's not for me. Oh, you know who that was? It wasn't him. It was your new wide receiver, Debo Samuel.

How dare you? How dare you? I forgot. I'm going to serve you- It was Debo Samuel. Debo's D's nuts is what we're going to have. I'm going to serve him right up on a platter. Debo's nuts is what you're going to get on a platter. Unnecessary shot at Debo, but yes, Chief's minus three.

I set you up for it, too. I was excited about it.

You did.

Chiefs minus three over the chargers. That is our first Ringer 107 pick. Congratulations for getting us on the board. Only 106 more to go. My first one should not be a surprise to anyone who heard all the pods during the month of August and beginning of September. The Seahawks are home. They're playing the 49ers. They're underdogs, which is fantastic. It's a team that I am really bullish on, that I have NFC West bets on because I thought the odds were out of whack. They're 5 to 1. I have them as a playoff team. I am a huge Mike McDonald guy. I am not scared off by the fact that they seemingly went sideways at QB and probably a little backwards with receiver. I think with Kubiak in there, this zone-blocking offensive line with the two runningbacks. Zack Charbonet, I tried to get in every league that I had. I only got him in two. Jsn, I think, has a chance to be one of the best eight receivers in the league. And I really, really believe in their defense. I think they could have a top five defense, special teams. And then you have the Niners who already have some shakiness with the receivers.

True. They have Kittle and McCafee healthy. They have a little chip on their shoulder, But they have a ton of turnover. They have a bunch of rookies and guys have never been in this situation. I'm stunned that the Seahawks aren't favored. And so I'm getting plus two and a half. I'll probably in real life play the money line, but we're not doing money lines for Ringer 107. I'm on the board with Seahawks plus two and a half, and you're making faces, and I don't feel aligned with you at all.

Yeah, I hate this pick. I would prefer that this be a stay away, that we sit back and watch. Nobody, there's nobody in any of the analytics community that has the Seahawks offensive line ranked any higher than 29th. You can't find somebody who looks at that offensive line objectively, looks at their performance last year, looks at the duress that Geno Smith was under all season long, and puts in the forecast ahead of time that this offensive line is capable of protecting Sam Darnold. I'm going to give you four worst ones.

Houston, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Miami. Worst offensive line.

I don't think Houston's worse. I don't think Houston's worse, and I don't think Miami is worse either. I don't think either one of those are worse.

We will see.

The one thing about Sam Donald that we know for sure is that he's bad under pressure. And if there's any possibility that he had top of class time to throw the football. He had on early downs last year, three seconds on 47% of his drop, three seconds or more, which is why he threw the football 20 yards down the football field in that Minnesota Vikings offense and ranked at the very top of class for those deep passes. He's not going to get any of that with this offense, and they're going to have to set up the run. So we're going to need that Seattle offensive line who was bottom three in the run.

So you're violently against this.

I said I hate the pick.

Who would you sub it for then?

You mean in terms of what's on the plate? Was there another game? What's remaining?

Some of the ones we talked about. Would you put Falcons plus one and a half against the Bucks in this spot?

I like that way better than I like this Seattle, San Francisco situation. We're a team this year. Okay.

I'm willing to be talked out of it. Okay. Because here's the thing. Now I can't lose because if the Seahawks win.

You can rub it right.

I'm going to fucking murder you.

I understand. All day on test. I accept it. I will accept it.

The only thing that you got murdered on for more this summer than if Seattle wins this game is the Frosé disaster when you were here with Jacko.

Well, some would call it a disaster. Some would call it a gigantic success. That was an all-time performance by me. How can you say anything to the contrary?

A couple of weekends ago, you and Jacko come for the weekend, and we filmed the rewatchables. That's going to run at some point this summer.

True story.

And we hung out the whole weekend. It was great. And we were making a concerted effort to see each other every year because at any point, any of us could be dead at this Rock on wood. Who knows? Rock on wood. We're in the 50s. God only knows what's going to happen to us. So my wife decides she's going to have a dinner party on Friday night with 16 people. We blow it out, and she's really excited about this frozen machine she bought. She's never made the Frosé, and we're sitting in the back, and she's making the frosé, and she's doctoring it. She leaves, and house is staring at the Frosé machine, and Jacko and I are like, No house. Don't do it. And he's like, I mean, it's right there. There's frosé in it. Why can't I have some?

She wanted us to try it. She encouraged us to sample it. Now, look, just set the stage properly. I came out on that same Friday. I was up at 5: 30 in the morning on the East Coast, flew out so I could get there in time.

Here are the excuses.

For us to do the rewatchables, had a marvelous time. Then it's time to let our hair down. We go out to the back bar. It's a great setting. The sun is... I mean, it was perfect, California your weather.

And the frozen machine- We're watching the Red Sox beat the Yankees.

Well, you enjoyed that part for sure. I did. Poor Jacko. And the frozen, she's like, You guys, go ahead and try a little because she's priming it.

She wasn't that forthcoming about the, You guys, go ahead and try.

I think she was like- She was encouraging.

She's like, Keep an eye on it. I think it was like, if you want to try a taste, not drink all of the frozen.

Don't tell everybody the story. The thing wasn't freezing to her liking. It wasn't getting frozen enough. So she was tampering with the little bench.

She leaves to go get ready and do a whole bunch of things. House goes over and takes this huge thing of frozen, takes a sip, and goes, there's not enough alcohol.

I wanted to make sure it was frozen enough.

Yeah, there's not enough alcohol in this. Goes, grabs a bottle of vodka, pours a shot and a half of vodka in the frozen. It's just a floater. Throws down the frozen. Jack and I are just taking it easy, having a vodka soda or something. You love the frozen. You go back, have a second one.

You pour more vodka in it. You're right, you did a great job.

You throw that one down. Now, some people have showed up. I'm starting to get a little worried about you because whatever. I can tell when you're... I was like, Is he tired? Is he tipsy? The food comes out at 8: 00, 8: 30. You're eating pork.

Again, we were sitting outside at 4: 30 in the afternoon. That's when we sat down outside.

All right. So you're eating food and you disappear for 10 minutes. I think you go to call your wife. We're 30% in the dinner party at this point. I say to Jacko, Where's house? Jacko goes, I don't think he's coming back. I was like, What do you mean? He knows me so well. I don't think he's coming back.

Johnny does.

So you went back and you went to make a call, and somehow you just were like, I need to go lie down, and you were done.

I honestly went to make a gigantic ice water. I was like, Oh, the food was amazing, by the Anyway, I don't remember all the chef's credentials, but the pork was, I think, secreto. The butcher made me a little secreto, which is like a choice, the secret bit, a beautiful piece of wine. But I had to go get some ice water to refuel. I was enjoying the company, everybody's company. The friends were out. I could tell them how good the frozen was.

So you're going for an hour.

I go sit down is the problem. I sat down with the ice water. And the next thing you know, I look up and half hour is gone.

And I'm talking to everybody and I don't know, maybe 45 minutes, an hour later, I don't think house is coming back. Where's Joe? So now Kerry is like, What? He's gone? He was barely here. And Jacko goes, Well, he was drinking the Frosé, which she knew and she got mad. She'd already yelled to you about how you had drank too much of the Frosé.

Because I had drank the whole first batch.

You did.

I didn't know that that was the...

I thought there was a big supply. So then we'd tell my wife he was drinking the Frosé, and he was pouring two shots of vodka in it.

A little floater had a flag.

And she goes, Wait, what? I put so much booze in that. You just can't taste it. So you You're having quintiple Frosé. So Frosé House. Now we're calling you José. Frosé House just was out. You threw four innings. You didn't even get 15 outs to be official for a winner I think I had 11 strikeouts in those four innings, though.

They were quality innings.

Well, legendary story. A lot of Frosé jokes. Anyway, as bad as Frosé House was, you talked me out of the Seahawks, and now if we get fucked on this, I'm going to give you more shit than the Frosé thing. So we're putting Falcons Bucks in there. That's what we're doing.

I'm fine. We both like the Falcons, right?

Yeah. I just think it's a bad spot for the Bucks with with the receiver, the new offensive coordinator, a couple of receivers missing, Agbuka in his first game, even though we all love Agbuka. Man, I'm going to be really mad at you. Okay. So second pick, Falcons plus one and a half. Third one, we both like this one, the bears. I love the bears, bears plus one and a half Monday night. I'm in on them to be over on their win total. I'm in on them actually to be a playoff team. I'm in on Ben Johnson. I'm in on everything I've read. I love the moves they made this summer. I liked how they beefed up their weapons. And JJ McCarthy on the road on a Monday night in Chicago. Shades of that Archmanning OSU situation. I'm surprised by the line. I got to be honest. Bear's plus one and a half was surprising to me. And I wonder if it's going to flip on Monday. Do you see the bear's being minus one and a half on Monday?

I do because I I think there's enough skepticism about Ben Johnson in his first game and his impact on Caleb. There was a healthy skepticism built up against Caleb, and Caleb earned it. But really, it was a disaster of a situation. The thing that made me so bullish on Chicago was the bit, I'll confess it right now, on hard knocks when the bears and the bills played each other and we saw Ben Johnson in game I was just so impressed. And honestly, it was the diametric opposite of the previous season when I knew to fade the bears because Abra Fluss was a goddamn douche, the entire hard knocks. I couldn't believe it. Like, who hired this guy to be a head coach of a football team with the number one draft pick rookie quarterback? So it went exactly as folks might anticipate. But I really like this bears team. I think their defense, especially. And the thing that we'll see out of O'Neill and Minnesota is they're going to run. They're going to try and run the ball. Get your Jordan Mason futures now. Get them all lined up at rush attempts. For the Vikings, you're talking about.

The Vikings, yes, because the Vikings are going to run the football. They're going to try and run to protect that kid and have him not having to stand back there and throw the ball down the field. But I like the bears run defense under the circumstances where they get to anticipate that the Vikings are going to... Now, I I don't mean that disrespectful to O'Neill because O'Neill is going to mix it up.

But by the way, no Jordan-Adison in this game. Adam Theelen coming from Carolina. I just like the spot. I just like the bears and a tease, which we're not going to do. But I thought the bears as a tease was a taste of one. All right, the two we agree on. So we have Chiefs minus three, Falcons plus one and a half, bears plus one and a half. Ravens at Buffalo. Buffalo, a team that I picked to make the Super Bowl. And yet We both like the Ravens in this game. And there's a bunch of reasons for it. There's some revenge factor. Mark Andrews, the Prop Queen talked about this on Ringer Gambling show today. Amazing show. By Monday, The Mark Andrew stuff, everyone's going to bet on him to catch a countdown. It's just going to be almost like the all time redemption story. I don't think it's going to be like that. But the Bill stuff, the secondary issues for them. That's it. Really makes me nervous. And you talked about it yesterday with the Cus about when they signed Jordan Poeyer, and it just feels like they're scrambling for bodies, and it's week one.

I think it means maybe a little more to the Ravens to be able to go in there. This was one I had penciled down as a win for Buffalo for a while. But if they win this one, I hate Ben against Josh Allen. This would be a Josh Allen throwing everybody on his back game. But I like the spot for the Ravens.

Yeah, We're in lockstep. I mean, the reason to be nervous is because the Bills have lost two home games in three years. Like the Buffalo Bills don't lose at home. What are we doing?

Why are we doing this?

We're doing this because I think the Baltimore Ravens have the most talent on both sides of the football of any team in the entire NFL. And the Ravens are my pick to win the Super Bowl this year. But we don't need all that hyperbole. They do have, even with the injuries, and here's the cautionary note, the way that the Ravens establish their offense and get Lamar free is they play all this heavy personnel, which is either two tight ends or more pointedly, Patrick Ricard, the fullback. So Isiah likely, their number one protecting tight-end. He's out, and Patrick Ricard is also out for this game. So they're not going to be able to play out at heavy personnel. This is a shout out to Warren Sharp, who did a nice job setting this up. I do think, yet, even they're Even though they won't be able to run out of that comfortable personnel set, that formation that they like, I love their weapons across the board. I think Lamar showed us last season, especially in that playoff game, that they can get vertical. They lost that game by They sabotaged themselves. It was self-sabotage. And it was Mark Andrews, and it was the turnovers.

If they don't have the unforester errors, I don't like the Bills defense. I think that defense is going to be a real vulnerability also season long. The thing that saves the Bills, and the reason why I think you're on the right path in terms of having them go far, is their schedule is amazing. They're going to be able to manage their schedule. If they get any health at all on defense, they can go on a run for sure. But this game, one week, one, week one, Baltimore. That's why the line went from Buffalo favorite to Baltimore favorite.

Yeah. So this is 4: 46, specific time on a Thursday now. If you Google Buffalo injuries, secondary, The AI overview is not flattering. And then you go to the news stories and the headlines are, Bill's injuries at cornerback pose problems. So what about the Bill's secondary? Cornerback concerns mount. Bill's injury riddled secondary faces tough test. Bill suffered another injury and already depleted secondary. They have both starting cornerbacks, Benford and White, look like they're out, and they're having safety issues. And it's just like, no, thanks.

No, thank you.

That's right. Fyi, we were trying to be nice, but if you're going to bet on Lamar Jackson in a big game, you want to do it in September. Sorry, Mallory. It's true.

Well, they did start off 0-2 last year, the Ravens.

I'm just saying this is regular season Lamar. I wouldn't want to do this in the playoffs, is my point. Yes, agreed. See, now people are a bit- Lamar didn't have anything to do with them losing last year, but that's fine.

He did. The market was awesome, in fact. He was awesome. Lamar was awesome.

Why are you so nervous nervous about Lamar backlash.

I'm not. I was treated to an amazing crab feast with our buddy Warren Sharp at his house because Jimmy Seafood up there in Baltimore sent down all these crab because of our respect for the Baltimore Ravens. I would never do anything that would get in the way of a crab cake. How about that?

I'm in a guillotine league, not the one we're in, but another one with my friend Casey. We had the fourth pick, and we took Lamar Jackson. Awesome. Because I don't... Great job. It was like 12 picks too early.

I don't think so.

But by the time it would have come back to us, I just don't think you can win a guillotine league unless you have Lamar, Josh, or Burrow in the first couple of weeks, because those are the only three quarterbacks where you know what you're getting each week. I know I'm getting a big amount of points. Anyway, I'm excited to root for him in this game because I'll have gambling, I'll have fantasy interest, all that stuff. Last one. We agreed on this one, too, and I don't I don't know how we're going to play yet, but we both really like the Jaguars against the Panthers. The Panthers not only have, I think, the worst defense in the NFC. Not only has there been a very strange, Bryce Young revisionist history. I was driving to a haircut today, and I was listening to Mad Dog Ruso with Troy Akeman. And they were talking about... And by the way, I love Mad Dog. They were both talking about how good Bryce Young was in the second half of the season. I was like, Am I missing something? I remember him being okay Hey, and having a couple of good games.

But now we have reached, Bryce Young was awesome. I just feel like people get amnesia, as I keep saying with what happened last year. Bryce Young was definitely way better. We felt good about it. But he's in a situation now where they traded Thielen, Coker got hurt. Ted McMillan, his number one pick, has a ham string thing. I don't even know. We're going to be in the heat, potentially. I don't know how many downs he's going to be able to play. So I don't know if they're going to have the receivers. And then, conversely, the Jags. I said this to Sal on Sunday. This feels like a classic Jags look awesome. You laid out the Liam Cohen case earlier, the weapons, and like, oh, my God, the jet. Whoa, what do we have? And I could see them just blowing out the Panthers. So how do we want to play this is my question, because with the Ringer 107, we have wiggle room with one pick where we can do a tease, we can do a parlay, we can parlay and alt under, we can go all kinds of directions. So we can basically, the two things I mailed you, we can take the Jags money line because I don't like the hook.

We can take them straight up.

It was three, and now it's three and a half. This is another one.

So we could take the Jags money line and parlay it with the over of 37 and a half. And that's minus 117. The rules of Ringer 107. It could be a parlay. It has to be minus 120 or better. The other one we could do is we could just parlay the Jags with with the Broncos and do a money parlay, Jags, Broncos, and just hope both teams win. And that is around the same. What is your preference? Or a third option would be just suck it up and go Jags minus three and a half.

Right. Out of those three choices, my preference would be to just ride the Jaguars minus the three and a half.

And not worry about the backdoor or a touch down at the end of the game.

The alt total down to 36... What was it, 37? Is that where you- Yeah. Yeah. So this is one of my favorite overs of the week, which is the Jags unleashed with Cohen and Trevor Lawrence. They're trying to make a statement. Remember last season, they looked pretty damn good against Miami. And then Travis Etienne fumbled a goddamn football going into the end zone, and Miami took that game away. But the Jaguars were... I honestly think that sabotaged their entire season. They became that team that fumbled away opportunities to win games all season long through dumb, boneheaded stuff. I don't think that the Carolina Panthers defense has improved enough. There are stories that say they've stabilized. They're not going to be as bad. I just don't think that they've improved enough. And the Jaguars weapons, those are Cadillac weapons across the board. And I like that offensive line. I think if Cohen and Trevor Lawrence are on the same page about getting rid of the goddamn football within a couple of seconds after Snap, that's a formidable offense. They have the skill guys there. Thomas is going to have a huge game, I think. So I'm not afraid of the three and a half, to be honest with you.

Well, did you see that they're going to play Hunter a bunch at wide receiver, it looks like? Boing.

That's the sound of a boner.

Is that what it sounds like?

That's what it sounds like.

Our other option is we can go straight up on this and we can do for our parlay, Falcons plus three and a half with over 35 and a half points gets us under as our parlay bet. That'll be minus 116. We could move the Falcon up to plus three and a half over 35 and a half.

I don't want to bet a total with Michael Penix. I don't want to have anything to do with the total in that Tampa game.

So you want to do the straight up. So you're not worried about the hook.

I think in week one, let's just be bold. There's no reason to be sniffing around. Oh, how can we find a combination that's going to protect? Why are we doing all that? We've done the hard work all offseason to get to this point where we're finally ready. We know what the priors are. We know what our thoughts are. We bet all the futures. You and the cousin Sal did Futures for hours.

Can I ask you this? Ask me. Is there any chance Tennessee is going to go in Denver and beat Denver?

The sportsbook would make $2 billion. So that would be the reason why. Because the books will make so much money if that happens. But how do you get there? How does Sean Payton and Bo Nitz- Jag's Money Line, Denver Money Line, that could be our fifth pick.

Jag's Money Line, we don't have to worry about the hook. Denver has to beat a rookie QB and son of Brian Callahan, whatever his name is at home.

I mean, they just signed Bo Nitty to an extension, and everybody looked so happy. Everybody in that Denver situation, they got their extension done.

Is Denver really going to lose in week one in Tennessee? Come on. What are we doing?

I just want to be on the record. I am confident in the Jaguars laying the three and a half, but I'm fine with the idea of doing Jag's Denver money line. That's fine. I don't have any problem with it.

All right, here we go. Official Ringer 107 picks. We have no losses yet because the season hasn't started. Chiefs minus three in Brazil against the chargers. Back in Mahomes and Reid. We're back in the infrastructure. We're shorting the chargers. Yeah. Falcons, plus one and a half at home.

At home. Against Tampa. We're investing in Michael Penix.

We are worried about the Bucks. Receiver issues, new offensive coordinator, and we want the Bucks. We want to back them starting in October to win that division. But right now, I have a little rockiness. House talk me out of the Seahawks. We went with the Falcons. Bears, plus one and a half against the Vikings. We're all in on this Ben Johnson, revamp Bairs' roster. Ibrafluce, the Ibraflus bump to competent coach from Ibraflus. And JJ McCarthy on the road has some March Manning parallels in Ohio State. Ravens minus one and a half against the Bills, really because of how banged up the Bills' secondary is in early season Lamar. And then last but not least, after a lot of haggling, Jaguar's money line against the Panthers. We think the Jaguars have a chance to blow out the Panthers, but we'll just grab their money line and we're going to put it with the Denver money line against Tennessee. And that is under minus 120, so that fits for the Ringer 107 parameters. Good luck to us, house.

Best of luck to us. I'm not going to forecast what I think is going to happen this week. I don't want it to be thrown up in my face by our competent competitors, but I like our slate, Bill Simmons.

I like our slate more than I like you against the Frosé two Friday nights ago.

I won. Dried with the whole batch.

Your wife's mad at me. The Frosé was saying they won.

Your wife got mad at me.

That's Ringer 107 brought to you by Fando Sportsbook. And don't forget to check out Ringer NFL, fantasy football, Thursday Ringer, gambling show, and Friday Ringer, gambling show, because that's who we're competing against. One more break, and then I want to talk quickly about this Quye Leonard thing. All right, so House, a couple of days ago, I was talking to Zack Lo because he had returned to the States, and we were saying how boring this NBA summer was, that nothing had happened, that it was the driest NBA summer we had had this entire decade. We had really no international basketball. We had no Olympics. We had no bubble basketball, just nothing. And then all of a sudden, the bomber thing happens. Pablo Tori, who was on this podcast a couple of weeks ago, I can't remember how many.

The Journalist Pablo Tori.

Yeah, he journalistic it up.

He sure did.

This was a great story by him.

He journalistic the shit out of this. Great job.

He really did. Good job by him. This crazy story about Steve Balmer and this company that... What was it called? Aspiration? I had never even heard of this company. It was a big quipper sponsor, Walmart investing in it. There was money being spent on Kawhi Leonard services that he was not really rendering. And it was just a lot of- He had the option to render services.

I guess he declined to render.

It was a lot of breadcrumbs. It was a whole heoping cup of breadcrumbs. And it confirmed, at least the story. We'll find out if it's true or not, because the NBA is going to investigate. I'm not saying the reporting wasn't true. I'm saying the actual is there. Did Ballmer actually launder money through this thing to pay Kawhi Leonard, which is what the NBA is going to investigate? It confirmed a lot of stuff that we've always felt was going on, both anecdotally and whisper stuff. This is a whole world of the NBA that they would rather we didn't talk about. I've talked about it anecdotally on my podcast a few times about star players being allowed to use the team playing for their own purposes or being allowed to stay at an owner's beach place for two weeks with a bunch of their friends. There's a lot of nooks and crannies in the CBAs. The league just does this. They're like, We don't want to know. We don't want to know.

You and I won't name names because this podcast is too popular. We're not naming names. I felt like I could get away with it in some other forms, so I did name names. But things like a couple of big star players landing in a city where you really have a hard time figuring out what the attraction was for those two players. But looks like there might be some investment vehicles, maybe outside of the United States of America.

There's some Wink Wink investment stuff. You always hear that.

Maybe like an inside line of sight on some investments in foreign jurisdiction. Teams that figure out a way. There's some star players with documentaries and who knows where the economics go with that thing. It's just that stuff out there.

All kinds of businesses. There's a lot of ways to do this. And this was always like with Tom braided and Kraft with the Patriots for the last basically 10 years with TB12 running and having a whole facility right next to Gillette Stadium. And there was always people wondering. And look, I think any league is going to be like, we don't want to know unless you force us to try to have to find out what we should know. In this case, the Clippers came out pretty aggressively saying, especially from a bomber standpoint, that this was not true. I thought what Cuban said It was interesting, and it backed up something that I thought because I read all this stuff and the way it was all laid out, it was pretty damning that there was more than a smoking gun here. This was so sloppy that it almost makes me think... I just can't believe. Everything I know about Balmer, how shrewd of a businessman he is, how thoughtful he is about everything, even how they did the Intuit Dome, Every piece of that place he put so much thought into. And I just think he's a really on it guy.

He's not like a cut corners old billionaire who just fucking does whatever. He's really on it. And all of this that was laid out was the slap shit I've ever seen. And I'm just like, I just can't believe he was this dumb. That's where I've landed. And maybe he was this dumb.

But I can't believe he was this dumb.

Yeah.

So the way to get to where we are right now and trying to answer the Balmer question is, do you really think that a 50... What was the investment that he made? Wasn't it the investment in this business?

I don't want to go. We don't need to go in that new degree.

It just wasn't enough money for it to necessarily be something that he, his own self, is sitting down and looking at the investment thesis. Now, I'm not suggesting that he didn't do his diligence, but he entrusts quite a bit to a whole cadre of people in his support system. And this could be one where somebody in his support system said, I see a pathway for this investment here. Now, I'm not suggesting anything necessarily in a fair Marius out of his investment team and connecting the dot with Kawhi. That could have come later. But this thing was attracting celebrities. They were trying all kinds of celebrities. Look at the list of creditors. The Boston Red Sox are a creditor. Like, Whoever the the brain trust was behind this Ponzi scheme, those people had access to big, swinging dicks. And I'm not suggesting anything about Balmer himself missing here. To me, the plausible explanation is his investment team was swayed. They saw that the other investors were other teams, other celebrities, that thing. Not that dissimilar from the crypto thing that turned out to be a fraud with all of the-Well, and that's another thing.

The crypto and the Bitcoin is another way to take care of people, and you wouldn't even know it happened.

Interesting.

It's the sleazy side of the league, and it's existed for a long time, and it's always been whispered about and talked about in all these different ways. And this is one of those where it's like, see? See, this shit does happen. But you really have to believe Balmer, who is a super smart guy, just completely fell asleep at the wheel. And maybe he did. But my reaction was like, wow, this is some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen if this is true. Because what's going to happen is they'll probably... The contract will maybe be nullified, who knows? But they'll be fined at least as much as the Joe Smith thing. They'll lose at least four to five first-round Maybe they'll be fine.

Maybe worse, right?

Because the other problem is that other owners are pissed because they got him at a slightly less than market value. And then the other piece of this, this was discussed at the time. I remember talking about it in my podcast, but everybody heard about Kawhi's uncle, Uncle Dennis, that had his hand out, that whole free agency to every team that talked and was unlike any other person that any team had to deal with. And then there was somebody reported about how the Toronto owner had said how this guy tried to make me arrange all this money. So it's just a mess. And I'm sure Adam Silver got through the summer. He was like, This has been great. Man, we figured out this EuroLeague thing. We squashed this, the Brown-Mabric-Saudi thing.

We have a hard salary cap.

We've put in a hard salary cap. Matt Eschbier seems like he's threatened to be confident. I got 4. 25 billion for freaking Portland. Like, We're expansion is not happening anymore because we're all making so much money. We're doing great. What a great summer. I'm just going to relax this week. But this next couple of weeks, I'm just going to be somewhere tropical or in the sun or in some beach house. And then this comes down with Balmer, an owner that everybody likes. So I have no idea what's going to happen.

An innovator. Yeah.

But Pablo's team, because Pablo has a staff, they broke this shit down. They found documents. They just did an awesome job. They did. And I don't know how it plays out. So if you had to bet, does this lead to a Joe Smith type situation, or is there some explanation? If I gave you those two choices, there's some explanation that gets them out of this, or it's going to be more like we are slapping your hand really, really hard with a bamboo stick?

There's no explanation that gets them out of this. They are going to be punished. I think there is an explanation. I think that Balmer will be sufficiently distanced. I do think the most plausible explanation to me is somebody and his investment team found this thing, was persuaded, let's put in the chunk of money that they put in. And then somebody said, oh, look, they're doing celebrities. Kauai, hey, look, man, you could get in on this. This is going to be an easy gig for you. And Balmer is going to have sufficient prophylactic. There'll be layers, right? You won't find communications. Is that the diaphragm? You won't find direct communications. Balmer is like, please tell Kawhi that he can get $30 million free dollars if he agrees to sign up with this dumb Ponzi scheme. Tree farm, whatever.

One of the weird things was this was two years after his initial deal. So it doesn't tie in the 2019 piece. And then the other thing that... If you're going to say that this actually did happen, It's so much money to give to Kawhi Leonard. If it was like five million- Too much? Yeah, this is a Ponzi scheme. These guys were idiots. It was 28 million. And then there was a report today that it might have been even more than that in stock. It's like another 20 million. So then when you see that, you're like, man, this looks bleak for Balmer. I think he's going to have to come out pretty hard if this isn't true.

Well, it's true. He's going to have to. It happened. No, I know, but He invested the money and Kawhi definitely got the contract and definitely got money from it. And I think that's enough. For the league's perspective, who cares what the explanation is? It happened. Balmer put his money in it and Kawhi got money out of it.

If he didn't know anything about this, and there's some accident or whatever.

It's not an accident.

He's got to come out really hard and be like, Look, this was not an end around to give Kawhi Leonard more money. I swear on my kid's lives. No, no, no. You have to go hard to try to prove that this is true because this is going to haunt him for the rest of his career as an owner. It is.

Well, who was it? Glenn Taylor? He's the one that ran the Joe Smith thing.

Yeah, Glenn Taylor is a terrible owner. This guy owns the Clippers. He's trying to fight the Lakers in LA. By the way, the Lakers can't stand the Clippers. They couldn't be happier about this. And the funniest thing of all this is, guess where the All-Star game is going to be this year? The epicenter of the NBA. The Intuit Dome. Holy cow.

Wow. That's awesome.

You coming? Should I get the frozen ready?

Immediately. Yes, I'm in. I'm all the way in. We'll just be recovering from the Super Bowl. Okay.

All right, House. I'm glad we talked that one out. I'll see you next Thursday. Hopefully, the Ringer 107 went well. And if Seattle covers and the Bucks Beat the Falcons.

You can blame me.

I'll accept it. I would just put your phone on mute. I would turn your notifications off.

On Sunday? Yeah. Maybe I'll do that anyway. That'll be my move. Maybe I'll just do that anyway.

Thanks, House. Great to see you. Thanks to Gehow and Eduardo as well. Don't forget about new rewatchables coming on Monday. It is a one for us with me and Chris Ryan, and you can check all the rewatchables we've done on Ringer Movies. You can check out House on Sunday on the Ringer pregame, which I think we moved to 11: 30 this year. The cast is back. We're going to be doing it on our YouTube channel on the Ringer Gambling Show, Ringer Gambling YouTube channel, and I can't wait. I might even pop on. I might even have a pick.

You're welcome. You're invited.

Always. Might even have a pick for everybody. House, good job by you.

Thank you. Good job by you.

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