Transcript of Tony Romo, Conor McGregor Blows Out His Knee, The World Cup Is All Blue Bloods + Mt Rushmore Of Guys You Want To See Ride A Horse New

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I don't know, Jim.

Tony Romo, uh, going into it, we're like, hey, we've talked a lot of shit about this guy. This could go go one of two ways. Well, it went the good way because we told him, we talked a lot of shit, and he was like, that's cool. And then we had an awesome discussion for like 45 minutes about football, golf, everything. Really, really cool guy. So, uh, Tony Romo, great interview. We're gonna do the Mount Rushmore of guys we want to see ride a horse. That will be after Tony Romo. Before Tony Romo, we had a great sports weekend, a lot to recap. We're about to be in our dead zone week, with All-Star break here for baseball. But we had UFC, we had World Cup, we have the baseball All-Star break, we have some NBA free agency. LeBron has still not picked a team even though it is the Cavs. And we're going to get to all of that after we talk about Mountain Dew. Summer's coming, summer is here, and I can't wait to crack open an ice cold Mountain Dew. Look, I got the new cans, the American Dew cans. They're so, so good.

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That was, that was my main event of the night.

Hank, our UFC expert, Paddy the Baddy was electric. Paddy the Baddy is the, is the next star of the UFC.

I was gonna say, like, Paddy the Baddy could have won by submission 4 times in the time that we've been doing Part of My Take right now. Yeah, like, he, it was, it was over right when it started.

But Conor McGregor, uh, did he pull a Jose Canseco versus Billy Football The, the, the discussion is going like wildfire right now because we've got angles of Conor McGregor warming up. If you missed the fight and you're not a UFC fan, it's a big deal that Conor McGregor is back. Huge, huge deal. First time in 5 years. A lot of money on the line. I think he got paid like $30 million. He came out, he threw one kick and then immediately slipped, then slipped again, and then 15 seconds into the fight it was over because he tore his ACL, which he might have torn in training. And, uh, now we have to ask, was this all just set up for a cash grab? Conor McGregor knowing that he was hurt and never going to be able to actually fight?

Yes, 100%. I, I've been going back and I, I did watch his, uh, his walkout, and I've been watching like this Prüder film, like slow-mo. He does seem to be favoring his leg in the walkout. Now I also saw the video of him throwing a kick, and it looks like you can see the knee exploding as he's throwing the kick during the fight itself. So yeah, I think it was probably hurt and probably aggravated it during the fight.

Yeah, see, that's— I land with you there. It's probably the lame answer because everyone wants it to be one way or the other. They want it to be he had a torn ACL and he'd known it for weeks and he just was going to go get paid. And then other people saying, no, he just got— it was a fluke injury. I think he was hurt and then he hurt it even more as soon as the fight started.

That's what I think. Now, would it shock me to know that Conor McGregor tore his ACL in training and then he just pretended that it wasn't hurt? No, that, that wouldn't surprise me either. But I, I agree with that. I think it was probably— there was something wrong with it, and when he went out there to try to fight on it, immediately it just— it told him, no, you can't do this.

They do have video of him limping into the Newport Medical Plaza in California days prior.

That's the one that's tough.

That's— but that's where I think he probably had like an ACL strain, and then he actually tore it in the fight. But yeah, that one's not great.

What do they have going on at the Newport Medical Plaza? What kind of businesses are—

I'm not sure.

Within—

inside the building is Kramer Orthopedics and Dr. Warren Kramer, noted athletic knee specialist. So yeah, that's, that's a pretty big smoking gun. And also the fact that he took off his shoe and looked like he was in immense pain right before stepping into the ring. He did leave the entire building without even getting changed. I saw him just walking out. He was like walking to his car. It's like, fuck it, I'm just out of here.

Probably the last we'll see him fight.

Yeah, I know. No, no, he did sign it. I think he signed for 2 fights.

So in the way he was talking after, he was saying it was a fluke and he's upset and he had been training so hard. So I feel like he's going to try and right this wrong. But it's—

it was such a disappointment.

I feel like everyone's lost their interest. Yes, they've their interest is not like what it was before this fight.

I agree. I consider myself firmly in that camp.

I was very interested in this fight. I was excited. I was jacked up, had the fight on like, here we go. Paddy was again— Paddy stole the night. He was so, so good. Guillotine the Frenchman. That's appropriate.

Ha ha.

But yeah. And then, and then Conor McGregor, like it was like, oh, this is whatever you want to say about it. Probably not the best guy, better fighter than guy. That's for sure.

Much.

But he's— I'm what? I'm not— when you're watching UFC, I don't— I think you're not saying, hey, all these guys are guys that are like upstanding moral characters. You're watching guys to beat the fuck out of each other, right?

I'm not— that's what you're doing because they're Nobel Prize laureates. Yeah, it would be helpful if he wasn't a rapist. Yeah, be good.

Yeah. But he, he— it was over so fast and it was so disappointing to watch.

Yeah.

Hank, our specialist.

Yeah, I mean, I, I love Paddy the Baddy. I was happy he won, but both of those fights, in terms of like being excited for a big fight night, they weren't the most electrifying fights. Like, Paddy's— I'm happy Paddy won, and it was, it was good that he won, but you know, even though I'm a huge UFC guy, just all parts of the sport, I like, I like fights.

Yeah, yeah, Paddy's the best.

I like, I like brawls, back and forth, bloody, you don't know who's gonna win, not just, you know the wrestling.

I was very excited that it ended. Both of them ended so fast because I went to sleep.

That game, that was awesome. And the Argentina game ended basically like—

Argentina ended after.

Yeah, it was—

Conor McGregor was out. Yeah, but it was a sneaky, like, great sports day because we had this, we had the World Cup. Um, do anyone else have any other thoughts on Conor McGregor? Zach, you are a big UFC guy, right?

I do like to watch the fights. Uh, I think he'll fight again, and then even outside the UFC, I think he also will go on like the, the boxing run afterwards.

What, Zach, how old were you when Mayweather fought McGregor?

I don't know what year that was.

Probably like 2016, 2017.

I was probably 17.

Okay.

All right. We were at it. No big deal.

It was a good fight.

That's awesome.

Not really.

It was fun. It was a fun environment for a fight.

Even if the fight itself wasn't fun, the sell of the fight before the fight was. Oh, we were walking around doing Irish accents all week. It was awesome. I'm Conor McGregor and there's nobody better. And he's gonna knock out Floyd Mayweather. So Floyd, watch out, the Irish are coming. You talk all you want, but you do nothing.

Hank, I got a question for you.

Yeah.

As I am a self-described UFC casual, unlike yourself, the future of UFC, since they don't have to sell pay-per-views anymore because of the nature of the contract that they did, What's up?

I, I don't know where this question is going. I don't know if our ex— I think you're putting our expert in it.

No, no, I think it's gonna be a fair question. Okay, I think I'll be able to answer it. Since— so Hank, since they don't have to sell fights anymore, it feels to me as a casual like the UFC does not have big-time, prime-time superstars like they used to have. At least when I— besides Paddy, uh, at least when I used to watch fights, and I watched a lot more UFC in like the early 2010s Uh, through the mid-2010s, the 2000s, watched a lot. But it feels like they're lacking a guy, like the—

a face.

Who's the future face of this league for the UFC?

There's so many besides— besides name one.

I mean, Max Holloway just beat Conor McGregor. Huge, huge pay-per-view.

He's been around for a while.

Uh, well, it's not pay-per-view, right?

Well, you have to pay for Paramount, right?

True. Yep.

I, I think that, you know, I think there could— there's a lot of guys it could be, and we're just gonna have to wait and find out.

Well said. Yeah. Also, that's what makes So fun.

It's like there's almost too many good fighters coming.

Yeah, I was correct in my pause of you're going to put him in a bind right now.

But can anybody answer that question for me? It's like, who should I be excited about in the future?

Justin Gaethje, Volkanovski, right?

I'm familiar.

I'm familiar with Gaethje, Petr Yan, things of this nature. You just— Gable Stevenson fought.

He— Gable Stevenson's got to be future face.

Yeah, but can he fight? I don't think he can fight.

He won last night.

Beat the fuck out of that guy.

I would love it if he was like—

why? What do you mean he can't fight?

Of course he can fight. He's like the best best fighter.

He did beat the fuck out of the guy.

He's the best wrestler of all time. And part of his— he is wrestling, right?

He's the best collegiate wrestler of all time. Yes, 100%. I want him. I think, Max, you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.

We're talking future, future Francis Ngannou and Paddy.

Yeah, the Paddy, the Paddy walkouts every single time. He was so amped up walking in. Like, when he starts singing his own song, it's the coolest thing ever.

That's where you can actually make the argument that Conor McGregor was 100% hurt, because if you watch him walk out, he did not look like he had the, the, the charisma, the fire, the, the cockiness. It looked like he was kind of trying to put on a face for it.

I don't even hurt.

You don't think he was hurt? What about him taking off the shoe?

I'm looking at this.

Why would you go to a doctor?

No, but Max, 3 days before, if you're not—

because he's getting— you get treatment. Like, what about treatment all the time before?

Like, wait, a knee specialist?

There's probably other things that happen in there.

What What about Max? What about him taking off his shoe? Did you see that part?

I didn't see this part. This is the most normal walk I've ever seen.

Yeah, that's not much of a limp. But Max, you're avoiding the question.

I have not seen this shoe.

Okay, pull it up because it's the most blatant. Something is very fucked up. He tried to take off his shoe right before going into the ring and you could see the pain.

He was a little hop that he does.

He like, he had to shake his foot.

He's trying not to put weight on.

Watch, here it goes.

He's taking off his left foot. Left shoe, then right foot, then doesn't put any weight on it. Yeah. And kind of looks down at it.

Taking off your shoes like that is tough sometimes. I think that— I think this is normal.

I don't know about you, man. The second I got the shoe off, I'm putting weight down on that foot.

Yeah.

Take your shoe off right now.

You want me to go without—

without using your hands?

Just did. No, you told me to take my shoe off. No, but because—

hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's get camera.

All right. Took his shoe off.

See, that was it. You just did the same thing.

No, but he put—

he put weight immediately on the foot when the shoe came off. Show tootsies, Hank.

I'm like, my shoes come off.

Let's see those tootsies.

Are you ready? Ready.

That's pretty clean.

Okay, that was pretty good.

Yeah, it's a weird hop that he does for sure. It's not a normal hop unless he was doing a dance. I don't know what was going on if the music was playing.

I think, I think it was fine.

It was a bummer. That's really what it comes to.

I mean, the mohawk is like a big time, like, how do I distract people from the fact that my knees fall?

Oh, definitely mohawk.

Mohawk and mullet. Those are, those are two haircuts.

My eyes are up here.

Yeah. Where you're like, I'm trying to get someone to go to look somewhere else.

If he's not hurt, he comes out as Connor. He just didn't come out as Connor. Yeah, he had none of it.

No. So.

Oh, yeah.

Here he goes. He's putting on his shoe.

Oh, oh, that might be when he heard it. Was that— was a pretty, pretty violent put on of the shoe.

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Really good games.

Great games. On Friday, we had Spain. No, it was Spain Friday. No, Spain. Yes, Spain was Friday. Spain won on Friday to punch their ticket to play France this week in the semifinal. And then on Saturday, we had England and Norway, which was a great game. We have the— we are— we are on Frodland. What should we call him?

Well, for checking out, I don't know. I'm not on— I'm not on Frodland.

He got screwed by his teammates, by his team not passing him the ball. But then he did come out of the game.

Yeah, he came out.

I like my stars to not come out of the game.

He's also such a physical man that they called him for a penalty when maybe some would say it was kind of more like a love tap. That he gave the guy on England. I mean, England was a better team.

Wait, yeah, no, they were.

England was a much, much better team. But then there's controversy after the game too with the wire. Yeah, the wire that the Skycam runs on. The Norway guys are saying that the ball hit the wire. FIFA is saying that our ball that has a world-class sensor inside that can measure if a bird farts on it did not go off when the ball allegedly hit the wire. So they're saying clean, good goal for England on that one. But Norway is not going to go down without a fight. But they should— that guy that didn't pass the ball to Haaland, give me a break. Haaland, you are a one-man team and that's okay. Although their other guy had an awesome goal later on. But Haaland is like the best striker in the world. Give him the ball if he's inside the box and he's going to figure out a way to score.

It's crazy.

In a game like that, not passing the ball is actually insane.

Yeah. Spain beat Belgium. That was— I forgot who they beat. So they, they, they they got us justice because I wanted— there was— I actually wanted Spain to beat them like worse. I wanted Spain to beat them by like 6 to 1 so I could say, hey, we were so far away, it doesn't even matter. But yeah, the, the, the wire was crazy. England, now they're in the heartbreak stage. I didn't realize how often they're basically always in the quarterfinals and they just always lose in the quarterfinals. And now we have in perfect England fashion where they have like this good vibes, everything's going well. Their coach is now beefing with some of their players because their coach said they were not tactically like perfect. He didn't love the game. And then I think it was Jude, was Jude Bellingham who said afterwards, he's like, dude, we just played in like 100 million degree weather in Miami. Yeah, the humidity was like suffocating us. Extra time. Shut the fuck up. Yeah.

The coach interview was, was weirdly heated.

That guy, by the way, is the most like, how is he not British?

Yeah.

Like, I saw a picture of him. I was like, that's the most British guy I've ever seen. He looks like he should be royal family. He's like, he's just ugly British, but he's not British.

So it does. This is ultimate heartbreak stage now for England going up against Argentina. There's so much history with those teams and like the hand of God was against them. Just when you see these two flags next to each other, you think one, Falkland War, two, you think guaranteed heartbreak for England.

Tell me about the Falkland War.

All right. So it's back to— you brought it up a few times.

I honestly, I know nothing.

So, so there's an island, there's little islands off the coast of Argentina that England laid claim to because England laid claim to like every set of little island that was off the coast of every other big country in the world for a time. And then Argentina—

long time—

and Argentina was like, we're going to send our Navy and we're going to take these islands because they should be ours.. And then England was like, well, we're going to try to fight back. And then it was a big thing. And long story short, I guess you could say Argentina won.

Did they win? Wasn't it like in the '80s too? And that was when they won in '86. Yeah, that was like I saw, I saw like a video that was like the— it was as it was happening and it was more like an Argentina got their revenge.

When it all comes to soccer, it's like you think, you think of the hand of God. So Maradona was playing against England back in 1986. He had 2 goals in that game. One, he jumped up in the air, punched the ball over the goalie with his hand. The ref didn't call it. And then later after the game, instead of trying to pretend like it was a good goal, he was like, yeah, no, that was the hand of God that did that. Which rocks to say. And then the other goal that he had was maybe the best goal in the history of soccer, where he dribbled through like the entirety of the British team and then scored on them at the end. So they The countries have a lot of history together.

Didn't—

didn't England piece up Argentina in the Falklands Wars?

So, like, wasn't Hitler in Argentina?

That's something totally different.

The video that I saw was like the Argentine troops had just gotten fucked up.

They got killed. They got smushed.

And then they— but they won the World Cup.

Yeah, right. They got smushed.

So that was their revenge for the Falklands Island War.

Yeah, I think they got absolutely bodied in—

no.

Yes.

A lot of Nazis went to South America.

But that was World War II.

Yeah, we're talking about the Falkland Islands.

It's not the same thing.

No, no. Falkland Island, that was in like— had nothing to do with World War II, 1980s.

Wasn't there a conspiracy that Hitler didn't— he just, he just moved to Argentina?

Yes, because there were a bunch of Nazis.

They're not playing Germany.

Yeah, right.

Germany has nothing to do with this. We're talking about the Falkland War was Argentina versus England and England fucked them up bad. Got it.

Now, it is interesting that there's a lot of, like, German ancestry in countries like Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay. It's also like there's a lot of Black players in Brazil. There's no Black players that ever play for Argentina.

Weird.

That is weird.

It's very strange.

Well, we do have a World Cup semifinal of 1, 2, 3, and 4 ranked. It's basically the, uh, Was it 2022 Final Four?

Yeah.

Yeah.

We have the Blue Bloods.

We got the Blue Bloods in this one.

And the other game was Argentina versus Switzerland, which was controversial, which I don't understand the controversy whatsoever. The red card— it was a yellow card that went against Switzerland for mistaken identity. So what's the actual call of it?

Well, it was technically mistaken identity. This is what we talked to, to Tim Ream about. Yeah, because he got this call reversed in the first game. Where the ref just made the wrong call and he called a foul against Argentina. Then he looked at it again and he was like, oh, mistaken identity. The guy that committed the infraction was actually on Switzerland for diving, for embellishing.

That's what happened here.

That— yeah, that's exactly. So it's not technically mistaken identity, but that's what FIFA is saying in this World Cup. It's like, yeah, we, we can allow them to say that it's mistaken identity if they fucked the call. I got no problem with it. It was an egregious flop, and that guy should get a yellow card.

It was not only an egregious flop, but it was an egregious flop nowhere near— like, I understand if you're trying to flop in the penalty area to get it, to get a penalty kick, like, that would make sense. Like, yeah, you gotta take a shot here. It was the middle of the field. He already had a yellow. He— it wasn't even— there's also flops that I think we all can agree suck in soccer, where a guy will get tapped and he will roll around. And it's like, okay, you're trying to sell it. Get it, get it. It happens in all sports. He wasn't even contacted. He wasn't touched when he started his flop, right? So it's like, how is anyone disagreeing that this was supposed to be a yellow card? It's just people have Messi Derangement Syndrome.

If anything, he flopped into the—

correct.

And he committed a foul on it.

I thought we were trying to get flopping out of soccer. So then when they get flopping out of the soccer, you can't just be like, oh well, you should never call it in that spot. Just say— just come out and say, Zach, that you hate Messi and you think it's rigged for him, which is not—

I don't think it's rigged for Messi whatsoever. You just hate to see 10 versus 11 in a game like this.

I liked it. As a Messi guy, I loved it.

You want to play 11 on 11. So for that, for the VAR to pop up and like, actually, you're out of here, your country's hopes are gone. You hate to see that.

I didn't hate to see it because I thought it was the right call and I thought the guy flopped and I want to get flopping out of soccer.

And again, if he had flopped in the penalty area, I would have been like, hey, at least you got to take a shot. He just did it in the middle of nowhere because he just wanted to get the other guy. He wanted to get the other guy in trouble. That's fucking bullshit. So yeah, it was good soccer though.

Very good soccer. So yeah, in this World Cup we got the 1, 2, 3, 4 seed. Last World Cup it was 3, 4, 12, 22. Year before that, 3, 7, 12, 20. So you usually do get an underdog, at least one big underdog that's in it. I like it. These are good. These are four soccer flags.

Yeah.

When you look at these flags next to each other, you think this is about to be a banger of a game.

And it's actually perfect because if you wanted to make the blue blood argument, the two teams that you could say are blue bloods that are not here, Germany and Brazil, have both been like very disappointing in the last whatever it is, 3, 4 World Cups. So it's like their star is fading.

This is it.

What's crazy is that France, before they won the World Cup in '98, I think they were ranked like 20 or 21st. They had never been, I don't think, ever a top 10 team in the world. And then they won the World Cup with Zidane and Henry, and then they just turned that into— now they're a powerhouse.

Yeah.

And so I think, I think we're on a collision course for France and Argentina. Run it back.

We have, we have Spain memes and Zach in the King's Cup and the Kings Cup.

Jamal, Jamal versus Messi.

Jamal versus Messi.

Yep. He basically baptized— how would you be able to defeat the man that baptized you?

No, absolutely not. Absolutely not.

I don't think you could.

You can't do that. Be so fucked up. Also, they're expanding the World Cup to 64 teams. Jesus.

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what Infantil wants to do. He wanted to turn it into American sports and he wanted to use this World Cup to learn how we're able to monetize every single facet of our sports. And the fact that it was somebody whispered like, hey, you know, the NCAA tournament, they used to do 64. Everybody loved that bracket. Mm-hmm. He thought about that and he was like, that's a great idea. I think I will. I'll try to do that because he has to propose something right now. People are coming for his ass. Yeah, his ass is in the jackpot with the, the Balogun stuff because all of UEFA is pissed off about him. And it turns out that only one guy on the committee of 18 rule judges that he talked about. There's only one guy that made the decision to reinstate Balogun, and he was the head of the committee. Ah, not like the whole 18. So people are pissed at Infante. So if he wants to keep his job, he's got to— he's got to show up with a big brown envelope like, like Sepp Blatter used to.

Get some more teams involved.

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Okay, other stories we've got. We've got— so NBA Summer League's happening and we had a fight, which was awesome, which we didn't get to watch it. But Bam versus Tyler Herro had a fight. I, I don't know how much of a— how much of it was a fight versus everything I've read is kind of just Bam maybe bitch-slapping Tyler Herro and just being like, you don't want this.

Tyler Herro, he had a He had a burner. Is that what we're thinking?

He was posting, I think, from his main, like being like, this guy's not that good. So the incident took place at a gym inside the Resorts World Casino in front of Hero's AAU team. Ooh, that's tough. According to multiple sources who witnessed the incident, Bam is one of the— is probably top of the list of guys I wouldn't want to fuck with. He just feels like he might be the strongest guy in the NBA, especially.

You feel like an idiot if you got punched by somebody named Bam. Oh, there's like, oh yeah, no shit. I should have seen that coming.

This is— no, that's AI. Okay, that's AI. That was full video. That's AI.

Yeah, that's—

we got to just make sure.

Yeah, pretty clearly, because that's on the Miami court.

Yeah.

But it also— Summer League's just fun. Did you guys see Caleb Wilson?

I did see Summer League. I've been watching a lot of Summer League recently.

Hit 7 threes.

I like Caleb Wilson. I like the clips coming out of him. He's raw talent.

Good, dude.

35 points.

Yeah.

Summer League is also the number one place. Yeah. Everyone's guy is the best guy of all time. LeBaron Phylan's best guy of all time.

Did he score 35 points in 33 minutes?

I mean, he— I think he had 17 and 8. Great, great highlights. Everyone's got highlights.

LeBaron. I like the fact that—

answer the question—

the entire Washington Wizards were courtside. I like Anthony Davis, Trey Young, the entire squad sitting in the front row. That was cool.

The Banzas looked awesome too.

Yes.

Yeah.

Darren Peterson's looked awesome. Everyone looks awesome.

Tyler Nickel, also very good.

Yeah, this is just everyone.

I did see that Bam and Mike Tyson had a little conversation the other day at the UFC fight. I think it might have been at the UFC fight.

Okay.

But they were talking to each other. I'm sure Mike Tyson heard about the punch and probably given some tips. So yeah, if I'm Tyler Hero, I'm staying away. Also, if that happens in front of your AAU team that you coach, you are no longer the coach of that team, right? You just can't do that anymore.

No. Imagine getting knocked, knocked out and having your slides fall off. No, that would fucking suck.

No.

For the whole squad.

Yeah. They won't. They won't look at you the same way. They're not getting back on defense.

And now we're just waiting for LeBron, which if LeBron picks his next team on Thursday, Wednesday or Thursday, I'm going to say I'm going to give LeBron a big compliment, say thank you, because Thursday specifically, because I think Thursday might be the deadest day. Because we have World Cup Tuesday, Wednesday, we have Home Run Derby and All-Star Game Monday, Tuesday. LeBron, do it Thursday. Give us something.

Do you think he's going to do a video? What format is he going to use? Will it be a breaking news tweet via Shams or someone else? Will it be like a live video that he does on some platform? Will it be an edited video that he puts out?

I think it's going to be like a gender reveal, but with a golf ball, and he's going to hit the golf ball and it's going to be the Cavs colors. Okay.

Burgundy.

Yeah.

Does that feel— that feels about right for where his head is at right now.

Yeah.

Yeah. So do it.

Do it Thursday, LeBron.

Maybe. Maybe just unveil like a brand new We Are All Witnesses poster off that one building in Cleveland.

That'd be cool. Yeah, that'd be really cool.

All right.

What other national sports podcast topics? We have All-Star break. Oh, do you guys want to— wow, stat.

You want to— whoa.

That's weird.

Yeah.

Okay. You ready for this, Max? This is, this is about you partially.

You're shaking your head.

You ready? I'm listening.

All right. Dylan Cease is the first Blue Jays pitcher to start the All-Star Game since Roy Halladay in 2009. Christopher Sanchez, the first Phillies pitcher to start the All-Star Game since Roy Halladay in 2011.

Yeah.

Pretty cool.

Whoa.

Very cool.

That's wild.

Very cool.

Yeah.

I'd seen that stat. That's very cool. Very cool.

How are we feeling? How are we feeling about Philly hosting the All-Star Week?

Great. Philly's been a— was a great host for the World Cup. Everyone who visited said it was a great town. Now they're doing it again for the All-Star Game.

Philly's awesome.

Ryan, I guess they did some other home run derby today. I just saw a bunch of videos of Ryan Howard hitting bombs at Citizens Bank Park, and that was awesome. I wish I could have watched it live.

That is cool.

It was so sick. Right.

I mean, the White Sox did one the other day too. Jose Canseco was in it.

Wait, at the ballpark?

Yeah.

At Guaranteed Rate Field?

Yeah.

They should do this more often. It's fun to watch legends just hit bombs.

Oh, where, where is he?

Sit.

Where is he? Right there. What is he? Where's the home plate? Where'd they put home plate? At second base.

No, don't say that.

I mean, look at Max. Are you looking at the same thing that we're looking at?

Can you look at this?

What are you talking about?

That's a weird field. That's— it's like right in between.

Shit.

Yeah, it looks like the pitcher's down at second base.

To be fair, it's hard to see, but that's tough.

I saw it pretty—

like, it's hard to see for them.

I saw it instantly.

Pretty much the first time I looked at the video. Yeah, that's— I looked at it.

So quickly.

Yeah. He's still hitting. I'm still seeing the ball leave the— I mean, he was he could have been at home. Normal home plate.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would have gone out. You're right.

The last one was a tank. Look at this.

Yeah, yeah, we saw it.

Yeah, we saw it.

Wait, no, no, look at the last one.

Hold on. Second base.

Oh, look at— I mean, this is a—

look, it's cool, dude.

That thing, that, that's going out from, from normal. That does make sense because I was looking at that. Yeah, I was being like, how the fuck did he hit that in the Ashburn Alley?

I'm gonna go back.

I mean, that was in the third deck. I was like, holy shit, he's hitting tanks. Look at that hilarious Tiny little foul ball.

Yeah. Okay.

That makes it—

yeah.

Yeah. I hand up, I did not give this as good of a look as I should have, but these are way gone. He would have been fine from normal. That's bullshit. They made him do that. He, he shouldn't, he shouldn't have allowed them to do that.

Max is going through every stage of the grieving process right now. You've heard denial, acceptance, bargaining. I'm going to go back. I'm going to watch the Korean Bunt Derby. I love watching that.

I think the actual home run line is, is Is that it? The yellow line right there?

Yeah.

Well, he was hitting real well.

I know, I know, I know. Listen, I think we got a Barstool After Dark coming up where it's no shame in trying to hit bombs over 200 feet.

Absolutely not.

It's a lot of fun.

Absolutely.

Ever get a chance to do it, do it. Also, Wimbledon. Center, center, center. Mickey Mouse wins them all now.

Mickey Mouse.

Why?

Alcaraz wasn't playing. Oh, because remember, they were making out. They wanted to make out. You remember that long?

Yeah.

Well, not AI. It was just—

it was simple. I got science fiction. Yeah. And did you guys watch any Wimbledon?

Nope.

Nope.

Did not.

I think it was on at a bar that I was at the— the women's final this morning.

Oh, yesterday.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That would have been a— No, no, it's like 9 AM.

I think it was, I think it was like noon.

It was like, it was Mickey Mouse. No, Alcaraz. Basically, if you're watching tennis now, you just want to just fast forward to the finals if it's Sinner, Alcaraz, and that's all you have to know. Yeah.

OK, other. Oh, we have. Do you guys want to get mad real quick about a list? A leaked list?

Yeah.

OK, the Madden 99 Club leaked. Here's who's on it. Tell me if you think any of these were incorrect or we're missing anyone. The Madden 99 Club for Madden 27. Miles Garrett, Josh Allen, Matthew Stafford, Trey McBride, Jackson Smith-Njigba, Ja'Marr Chase.

Okay. I can't say I'm mad about— I can't get mad right now.

No.

We got 9 weeks till NFL Sunday, by the way.

Yeah.

That's pretty cool.

Yeah, that is very cool.

I got hard when I saw that today.

Um, no, I think that's— I mean, all those guys are— I mean, Trey McBride would be the only one, but he's fucking really good. He's awesome.

Not that Matt Stafford's a bad player because he's not, but to be a 99, don't you need— can you be like super slow and be a 99?

I think so. Yeah.

How does that work?

I think you can.

Yeah.

All your other— all the other ratings make up for it.

Other attributes.

Yeah.

Hit on the curve.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I can't— I can't get mad about this. I did see that Miles Garrett Obviously he's a Ram right now. And I guess Aaron Donald was working out at the team facility.

Mm-hmm.

So it's going to happen. Yeah.

And he— Miles Garrett posted on Instagram doing some unpacking and it was an Aaron Donald signed jersey.

Yeah.

From when they were, you know, probably when they did a jersey swap.

It's going to happen.

It's definitely going to happen. It's going to happen. Aaron Donald is going to be a Ram this year and we're all just going to have to deal with it. Deal with it, and it's gonna suck because the Rams are gonna be so fucking good.

So good.

So, so good. Um, okay, uh, any other, any other stories that we want to hit before— I mean, All-Star break feels always— it's like, oh shit, summer's about to— we're about to hit this, the, the button and be like, oh fuck, it's no longer summer.

Yeah, I mean, that is— it would be very nice of LeBron to, to take up a new cycle day. Yeah, that would be the best thing that he's done.

The, yeah, the, the, the AL is bullshit this year. We, Max and I were talking about it. The Cubs, the Cubs and the Phillies have the 4th and 5th best record in all of baseball and they're both not leading their divisions. Yeah, it's, it's bullshit. Hank, are you, are you noticing? Shane was telling me the Red Sox have been hot.

Yeah, I think they won 9 in a row. They're still below .500, but are in the wild card.

When, when are you—

I don't— they're not in the wild card, but they're getting closer.

When do you have game back?

Half game back and they're below .500.

That'll be a season's All-Star break. That's, that's when it's, that's when you make a run.

Are you buyers or sellers, Hank?

Probably sellers.

Might be buyers.

Don't know.

I mean, with the expanded wild card, it's everyone can be a buyer because everyone can tell themselves that they're right there. It's true. There's a lot of teams that are right there. Yeah, I was talking to Memes, who does not like to have any Conversations that aren't about the Knicks, but the Mets are going to be sellers. And Freddy Peralta, he said, is saving his good stuff for next year.

Yeah, for his next team.

Freddy Peralta is famously going to be a free agent and trying to make money, big-time money.

So, so why would he be saving his stuff, memes?

Yeah, save it for his next team.

But you get paid more if your stuff's good.

I can't explain it. He fucking sucks.

Yeah.

I mean, he's been—

I imagine he's going to save it. Okay.

Got it.

Yeah. He's been a very good pitcher in Major League Baseball for 7 years. He made $30 million. Like, that's— he— I think he wants to be good this year.

You're just saying that, like, money— the way things go, you can see him dominating as soon as he gets off the Mets.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's different. That's a different conversation. That could definitely—

can we revisit some of those guys? How do you feel about Pete Alonso? What were your expectations for Pete Alonso after he left the Mets? Versus how he's played.

I love Pete personally. I would have kept him because they didn't have a first baseman for the first 3 months. That also was just Jorge Polanco got hurt the first week, but I would have kept Pete. Definitely. Anybody else?

Yeah.

Well, no, I would have kept Pete if I were you.

I would have kept Pete.

Yep.

Were you convinced that he was going to dominate after he left?

Yeah.

I mean, I, I was having a good year.

Yeah. He's doing good on the Orioles. Draft him at Dingers Only.

By the way, Dingers Only, Max, you're in last. Big time last.

Not big time last. I'm one back.

Big time.

Big time.

Big time last. That's as big time last as you can get. Mm-hmm.

Incorrect.

James Wood might just be the best hitter in baseball. He's just fucking insane. And I feel like he does this every early July going into the All-Star break. I hope he doesn't do the Home Run Derby again this year. But for the last, uh, The last week he's been absolutely nuts.

Yeah.

Love that guy.

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Henry.

My Who's Back of the Week is insane animal videos that I am pretty sure are real but are so insane they could be AI.

Okay, go on.

The first one, 900 snakes including venomous cobras escaping into a village from breeding farm after massive flooding in China. So the video is literally just, you know, street flooded, water running down it, and then you can just see 900 snakes in it.

And in that, in that big island of snakes that's floating down the river, it's like the anaconda videos.

I'm like, this is not real. I'm trained to think this is not real, but this one seems to be—

I looked into it a little bit. That island of snakes, those are actually birds that are flying together. But there are snakes. There's a lot of snakes that are in that water. So the ones where they showed people catching the snakes afterwards, it's so scary. So those are— yeah, those are birds.

But then it's in there.

But then later they show people catching a bunch of snakes out.

Those are snakes.

And there's a lot of snakes.

Yeah.

Jesus Christ. You got— you got to leave. Never come back.

Yeah.

And then the second one was at Yellowstone National Park, a huge bison.

Mm-hmm.

Unbelievable video. It's— there's two tourists. They see the bison from like 20 feet away and then the bison turns, starts charging the guy. The guy's like 60-plus years old.

Yeah.

They're like, he's trying to hide behind a tree. The bison's hunting him down. And then he just launches him like 20 feet in the air.

Jackass.

Yeah.

This is incredible. Jackass. The guy. You gotta— I don't know what his move— I mean, he had no chance.

First of all, he got launched. I hope the guy's okay.

Second of all, I don't think so. I think he's in serious condition.

I mean, it's— the suspenders are a very funny detail.

Yeah, I mean, the poor guy had no— he just didn't have the fast twitch to get away from that bison.

Yeah.

Also, his old lady, is she— is that a Ryan Fitzpatrick Dolphins jersey? It's got to be, right?

I think so.

Minka, Quinn Ewers. Maybe she's a Quinn Ewers.

14.

Uh, yeah, it's Quinn. You— it's, it's, it's Fitzpatrick or Quinn Ewers. Potentially Fitzpatrick. Gotta be. Or Jarvis Landry, I guess, could be.

It's gotta be Quinn Ewers.

That would actually be very funny if it was Quinn Ewers. That's definitely unreal video. Yeah, I, I hope this guy's okay too. Like, he— I don't know if we've got an update. I mean, you If you survive that, that's in all time. Like, hey, you want to see a cool video?

I got hit by a bison.

Yeah, I got fucking trucked by a bison.

Yeah. Just don't, don't never take a picture of an animal.

And he went cartoonishly like ragdoll. Oh, I think the Running of the Bulls was this weekend. And I actually know that because I think some, some, some person got gored in the face and I tried to find the picture. I couldn't find it. Because that's one where I always root for the Bulls, so I have no problem looking that shit up.

Yeah. You know what you're doing when you say the Bulls.

Yeah, I had no problem rooting for the Bulls in that one. He went— he went fucking flying. Oh, man.

Somehow the shoes stayed on.

Yeah. Probably Nobles.

Yeah, good point.

Yeah. Also, Dak Prescott back.

Yeah, he's looking pretty huge. Huge at the UFC.

Huge. Yeah. He's with Boston with the Boys. I mean, it's— I thought it was fake. They do like fake pictures and stuff where they like beef themselves up. I thought it was one of those, or it was like a guy that looked like Dak Prescott type of thing.

Yeah, but that—

he— his arms are massive.

He does. He looks like he's been doing a lot of just like curls.

He looks like he's a guy who doesn't want to lose another fight in a Panama Beach, you know, party.

He just broke up with his fiancée.

Oh, that's what it is. Did they get back together? I thought they got back.

I don't know. I think, I think Hank's right. Those are single arms. Like, those are the— that's the muscle you build up if you're on the market again.

He might be too big to throw a football.

That's what I'm saying. Like, that's— I've never seen a quarterback, a good quarterback.

This can't be a real photo.

That's what this—

they, they altered this.

If there's one thing I, I know about quarterbacks, you want your quarterback to have like almost abnormally skinny elbows and arms.

Yeah, his friend is wearing a shirt that just says cocaine.

That's very funny. Yep.

Wait, that might— that also— could that be Taylor's friend?

That's a very— that's a very funny— that's a proud shirt. Okay, can you zoom in on it? I think that's what it says, right? I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah.

That just says cocaine.

Is it? Does Coke love cocaine?

Yeah, I don't know. Might not be Dak's friend. He's just standing next to Dak.

Yeah. It'd be very funny if that guy just followed around Dak. Just every picture of Dak has a guy wearing the cocaine shirt behind him.

Okay. Any others?

That was it.

That was good. Who's back?

Hank.

Good. Who's back?

Hank.

Really good. Who's back?

My first who's back is artificial turf at Foxborough and all the other stadiums that are taking part in the World Cup.

Also, the picture of the year. That was probably your next one.

Which one?

Erling Haaland, one of his goals at Foxborough with the lighthouse in the background.

Oh, oh no, I did not notice that. I didn't notice it because the lighthouse is so freakishly small. But no, they, they redid all the artificial turf. That's at all the stadiums that got replaced with grass. It's just, it's such a spit, like a slap slap in the face to every player that plays on the stadiums where it's like, yeah, they could put grass down for a month if they really wanted to, but they're— as soon as the second that the money-making is out of the town, they're just gonna put that shit back on.

Yeah. Max, you just searched Lighthouse.

At first I did Holland Lighthouse.

Go to— go to his Twitter.

It's his Twitter.

The, uh, yeah, no, it's, it's, it's crazy.

We can't figure it out.

It sucks. Oh, okay. Don't see any lighthouse.

Okay, that's not—

where's the lighthouse? No lighthouse. Oh, all right, that's cool.

Is that what the lighthouse looks like?

It actually looks like— no, it, you know, it looks like a, uh— oh, it looks like an air traffic control tower.

It does.

Yeah, that's not a good same purpose.

That's not a good thing.

Both of those things serve the same purpose.

It's not true.

No, that's— Lighthouse ones definitely don't do anything with airplanes.

Guiding vehicles.

Yeah, one's for boats, one's for airplanes.

They serve the same purpose.

My other who's back of the week is—

No, the air traffic— No.

Teachers. Flight instructors. Did you guys see the story about the person that just jumped out of the plane?

Yeah.

It was like, hey, the controls are yours.

Yeah.

Good luck landing this. Honestly, kind of a great teacher move.

Mm-hmm.

Throw them in the fire.

Agreed.

Put them in the deep end, see if they can swim.

Mm-hmm.

And she landed the plane.

What are you making that face for, Max?

I mean, the person killed himself.

Yeah, no, but also great teacher.

You actually don't know that. We just saw the guy who got smoked by a buffalo. Yeah, we did.

Yeah, that guy's not dead.

We just—

we don't know that. Like, we just know that he jumped out.

Yeah.

6,000 feet.

Also, Max is an Argentinean guy. I think you probably think he was a Nazi.

He wasn't an Argentinean.

I don't know. Was it an Argentinean?

I don't know. Well, that's news to me. I was going to ask a question. How did a kid do that while Hitler went to Argentina? While your team's in the World Cup? Where'd you get the Argentina part?

I might have made it up. Oh, no, it was in Argentina.

Oh, it was? Okay.

Yeah.

And it was— yeah, I mean, credit to the woman who landed the plane.

Yeah. 22-year-old.

Insane.

The guy looked at her, he goes, you know what you have to do? Carry on. And then he took off his headset and phone, unclipped his seatbelt, opened the aircraft door. And jumped out. Now, I think we should also wait till all the facts come out about this.

I'd agree.

That's after reading it once more through and thinking, what other facts? I don't know.

He was pushed out.

Kind of a weird move.

Yeah, I would say very weird move to jump out of an airplane. Yeah. 6,000 feet in the air.

Mm-hmm. But I guess we'll find out more.

Okay. But great.

A great teacher.

Yeah, great teacher. Great. Well, was—

was a great teacher. Yeah.

Do you have any others?

Pop Punk. If you're in Pawtucket, Pawtucket, Rhode Island tonight, come on out. The Met is the name of the bar we're playing at in conjunction with the Barstool Classic. So myself, Frankie, Robbie, Caroline, Roan, Nick, we're all going to be out there playing for about 2 hours, I think, starting at 8. So if you're in Pawtucket, I'm going to be there Monday night. I'm actually on my way there right now. If you're listening to the sound of my voice. Nice. Never been to Pawtucket before. I hear it's lovely.

Love that.

Good luck.

Thank you. All right. My Who's Back of the Week? I got a couple as well. First is friend of the program, all-time AWL Marty Fish for winning the American Century Championship dominant fashion. Marty Fish, for people, we had him on the show last year. He's awesome, dude. Just like one of those guys that everyone wants to be friends with.

He's the nicest guy.

He might have like sneaky top 10 life going because he is— he—

every—

we go to this, this American Century Championship every year. And thank you so much to everyone who, who hosts us there and lets us use the space and get some great interviews. We love the Tahoe. We love the tournament, everything. Every single athlete wants to play golf with Marty Fish. Yeah, he is like the belle of the ball. Because he's so good at golf and he's such a great dude. He's got it made. Like, Steph Curry just wants to go play with Marty Fish. I saw people, they were like, oh yeah, I played with Marty Fish. It was awesome because Marty Fish is awesome. So golf game, like, can get you far.

How close is he to being pro level, Hank?

I mean, they talked to him. You talked to him about it last year. He was said when he was like a kid, if he had not chosen tennis and chosen golf, like, maybe he could have eventually gotten there.

But So we got the white lab coat. I think that's a new addition this year.

And he's what, the— is he 4 times he's won it?

3 times. So 2020, 2024, 2026.

Decent.

Unbelievable.

Yeah.

And he, he, he dominated today. So yeah, he was awesome. Yeah. Romo finished— what did he finish? 6th. Yeah. And Joe Pavelski, Steph Curry rounded out the top 3.

Let's see.

Yeah.

Steph Curry. And then Dell Curry had a good showing too.

Yeah.

Another Marty Fish fun fact. He has free Wimbledon tickets for life now.

Why?

He finished— he made it to the quarterfinals in his playing career, so he just gets free Wimbledon.

That's awesome.

That does rock. Yeah.

Where's, uh, I'm telling you, like, he was telling a story because we were hanging out with him this week and he was just like, yeah, I golf with that guy, golf with that guy, golf with that guy. Like, he's just— everyone wants to golf with him because he's the man. He's not only great at golf, but he's also the man. So congrats to him. All right. My other who's back came in last. Miles Cellar withdrew. John O'Hurley, who is, I believe, is that Peterman?

Yes. Peterman from—

sorry, John O'Hurley. You stink, dude.

Hey, congrats to Rich Eisen, though, for not coming last. Yeah, you beat John O'Hurley.

He's got a good— John O'Hurley got great hair. So what would you rather have? Great— if you're 71 years old, you have great hair, great golf game. I think you'd rather have great hair. Yeah, 71. So that's just a nice spin zone for John O'Hurley. My other who's back is James Dolan because he has— they have leaked the, the labels for the VIPs at MSG. Did you see this, Memes? See some of the people?

I did not.

I'll just run through a few. And Zach, tell me if you recognize any of these people. Boogie with the Hoodie is high risk.

Is a famous rapper. Yes.

Okay. Adam Pauly, do not host. I don't know why that happened. Low risk for Ben Stiller, for Benson Boone. DaBaby got a high risk. Emily Greene got an LGBTQIA. This is just— they're just like, that person's gay.

They're just like, gay.

Yeah, gay. I think Ricky Martin also got gay. And then Lil Tay banned from MSG. It's just he has a list of, of like 40,000 people.

I love that Ricky Martin was on the list and it just says gay.

Yeah. For 400 celebrities. And he's got a 3— yeah, 40,000-person VIP database. So high risk, low risk, no risk, gay.

I love it.

Those are the, those are the tags he's got them. And my last who's back is the 50/50 raffle because On Monday, uh, not this Monday, but July 20th, I am getting my big check at Wrigley. And on top of that, if you are in the Chicago area, you want to go to a Cubs game, we're— I've convinced the Cubs, in honor of my big check day for winning the 50/50, for a one day only, we're running a 51/49 raffle. So 51 to the winner. Um, I initially said, can we just do a like a 99 one, and they're like, I don't think so. But I was like, you know what, I'll settle for $51.49. I'm also going to be selling some tickets. Maybe even Zach will be selling some tickets too. So if you're going to the Cubs game, you can buy them online as well. Uh, $49 is going to charity, $51 is going to the winner. It's going to be a 1-day raffle. So if you're thinking about— you can, you can buy them online, buy them in person. It's gonna be awesome. Let's get the pot up nice and large. I'm gonna be obviously buying a lot, trying to win on my own day.

But, uh, 50/50 raffle's back. Gubs5050.com if you want to buy it on Monday. It's one day raffle. It's not going to be a rollover. One winner of that end of the game. 5149. Zach, you're who's back.

I got two quick who's back this week. First one's going to be a Tampa Bay Rays. You guys see the renderings that came out for the new forever home in 2029?

When you say forever home, it seems like they're being put down.

Oh, they're not getting put down. Just new stadium that they say they may stay in forever.

Okay.

They may stay in forever.

They did call it a forever home. It does sound more like an end of your days type situation.

You're right.

Yeah.

Evan Longoria got his— he got his number retired.

Oh, big shout out to him.

All right. So this is the new—

yeah, it's got like 60% windows all the way through.

Oh, this is pretty cool.

That's nice.

Yeah.

You get to be outside but not have to deal with being in a tank.

Yes.

An aquarium.

Is it upgraded Stingray Touch tank?

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that rocks. One thing I love about these stadium renderings is when they show the hypothetical score of the hypothetical game. In like the background as a little Easter egg. Why do they have the Rays beating the Cubs 7-1? Like, get— don't you guys have rivals?

You just pick somebody neutral.

Yeah, no, you got— you can't do a neutral thing. You got to go after like whoever your biggest rival is. Who would the Rays say is their biggest rival?

Probably the Yankees.

Yeah, that would probably—

2-1 count.

But then the Yankees would just be like, we don't think about you at all.

Okay, but, uh, on the, uh, on the flip side, PFT, it looks like I didn't go scour the renderings. But remember, I think the Rays released a rendering last year or the year before, and they accidentally put a Wander Franco jersey in it.

That's true.

Yeah.

So, so they got that out.

They've done that better.

They got that out. They should. I mean, what is Tampa known for?

Big tits.

Yeah.

Steroids.

Yeah.

Wrestlers.

Yeah.

There should be like WWE strip club section. Yeah. In this rendering.

That'd be cool. Yeah, that'd be really cool. All right, cool, cool stadium.

And they're moving it to Westshore, so again, not St. Pete, take the bridge anymore.

Oh yeah, how far away are you from Tampa Bay?

Uh, from Tampa Bay, probably 35 minutes east.

So now how far are you from this stadium?

Probably is Westshore, probably like with— if it's a game day, probably 45 minutes, 50 minutes.

So they went away from you?

Well, they went closer, but on game day, like to get there, usually 35 minutes. But if it's— maybe if there's traffic because of a game extra 15 extra. Got it. But they went— they were all the way west because you'd have to in Tampa, you take the bridge to get into St. Pete. So now they're like, all right, let's not do that. Let's go to Westshore. So they moved more east.

Got it.

It'd be like an hour 10 if we were—

but they move more east, but they're on the Westshore. Yes. Got it. All right. Good for the race.

And then, yeah, honestly, it looks pretty cool. 2029 coming up soon.

Are you going to get into baseball?

I mean, they're top of the A.L. East right now. I know you guys said that really count for much, but no, it counts.

But I'm saying you're— because like, you're not a big baseball guy.

I thought about getting in.

Yeah, okay, so you're not—

the ABS got me, the PitchCon got me a couple years ago, the ABS got me this year a little bit.

You like the technology?

Playoffs. Playoff baseball is the best.

There's just a lot of games. Like, there's so many games, guys.

But I, I'm thinking you're not—

you're an October guy.

I'm playing with it.

I like you just because I think we had this exact conversation 2 months ago when I took you to your first Cubs game, and I was like, you baseball guy? You're like, I'm thinking about it.

Yeah, I'm still thinking.

Yeah, that was a good day.

I mean, that was a big swing.

He's thinking about it.

Okay.

And then, uh, second one, uh, is streaming. We got streams coming up this week. So, uh, yeah, it'll be, uh, Monday, Wednesday, Thursday.

Yeah. So Thursday I'm playing— Monday, Wednesday you're playing, right?

Yes, sir.

Thursday I'm playing with you.

That's correct.

We're gonna get some Doug streams going.

Hopefully some Doug wins on Thursday.

Thursday afternoon.

Wednesday, Thursday will be Doug streams. Wednesday, Thursday.

Okay. So Wednesday after the act, Thursday after.

Yep.

Okay.

What are you going to play tomorrow?

I don't know.

What's the new version?

FC.

So some FC 26 games. Try to see if we can get a— who's going to win the World Cup.

That's fun.

Going head to head. You, sir, should be a good time.

Love that.

Okay, good, good stuff, boys. Let's get to Tony Romo.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. We are here at American Century Championship. It is Tony Romo, uh, who is maybe going to win this tournament. Should we start with the golf? We got a lot to get to. I'm very excited that you're here.

Hey, I'm excited to be here. You guys kill it. So the joy you provide me and all the other Reckless friends I have, it's, it's fantastic.

Okay, well then let's start with that. Yeah, the joy we provide you and your friends. Are we— do they ever text you being like, hey, they're, they're, they're bashing They're bashing Tony again, like they're doing the noises because we do do the noises.

I'm okay with it.

You like—

can you do— you know the noises?

It's been a long time since I've taken offense to people.

I love that.

See, this is a win right now. Like, right away, like, we're—

well, I was gonna say, what's your favorite noise?

I think what I get most of the time, like, out here this week, it'll be, "Here we go, Jim." Yeah, I hear that one a lot. That's probably the number one.

What about the, "I don't know, Jim." Oh, you know what's funny?

Those are just so natural at the time. I'm trying to work them out, but I'm like, meh, it's me. Yeah, you just got to be yourself.

I, I also think that if you put a microphone on most of us as we're watching the game and they show the replay, I feel like you're doing the same thing.

It's hard. Yeah, you're watching the replay and you're like, you don't really know. Yeah, it's, uh, we've been lucky enough to— in, in at Barstool, we had a college football, uh, bowl game and we called a couple basketball games. And so I did Like, I was on the call.

I haven't seen—

I was horrendous at it. Like, absolutely horrendous to be able to have to fill air, to have to be interesting. So, and we're—

you know how fast it goes. Yeah.

And we're— we definitely, uh, you know, are guilty as charged. We are very critical of our announcers and what we watch on Sunday. But I also know that it's got—

I mean, there's only so many good ones.

Come on.

Gosh.

Do you ever— do you ever, like, uh— so do you look at any of the feedback ever, or you're like, oh shit, I fucked that one up?

No, I mean, you're on air, you know, this, like, since you've done it, like, live for 3, 3.5 hours every week. It's like, you're going to do something probably right. I mean, we do more right than wrong, otherwise you wouldn't be in the position you're in. But I think, like anything, you're always going to do something wrong. I just always want— at the back of your brain, you're literally thinking about you guys watching at home. And it's like, what would I want? Like, sometimes they don't talk about something. I'm like, tell me, tell me about that thing. Do you like, was that a catch? Was that not? Was he inbounds? What do you think? And it's like, and then deeper than that, it goes into, I want to teach. And I think that's one of the biggest things was just, I want people to understand why, because there's so much of that that goes into it. Like, why did they make this decision? Why did they run the ball on 4th and 2? Well, because the numbers in the box and blah, blah, blah, or because of this. I mean, there's a million things that go into the permutations, But I just feel like that's what people want.

And the more people I talk to who love it and everything, it's like, I mean, there's a gazillion people come up to you and they like it. So it's, it's been a really rewarding experience.

Yeah.

Yeah. Is there one fan base that you truly hate more than others? Because I think every fan base probably thinks that you hate them, right?

I don't know. I feel like they all love me when I come in there. There, there's a lot of fans that like go nuts and stuff. And so for me, I'm just a I want to build up the game and the players. I know how hard it is to make it there. I remember one of my kids one time being like, oh man, he stinks. I'm like, son, do you know that guy who's the fourth string cornerback?

Mm-hmm.

How good that guy is?

Yeah.

He was the best player ever at his high school.

Yeah.

And one of the best players ever at his college.

Yep.

I'm like, he's unbelievable. It's just, he's in a tough spot because he's guarding Tyreek Hill from the slot. I'm like, that's a very different experience. But I'm like, don't say that.

I mean, we joke about all the time, like we'll call a guy soft while we're sitting on the couch for 12 hours eating, you know, chicken wings and eating ice cream. We're like, yeah, how's he not back in the game?

Yeah. Well, you know this, you guys, you watch enough games though. This is where people sometimes are like, well, you're not an expert. I'm like, well, if you watch anything long enough and you you want to know the game, you start to learn it faster. And so you guys have a good enough ability, which is why you guys are successful too, because if you guys talked about a bunch of crap that's terrible, then people probably wouldn't love it. So you get to know the game and then you're like, well, someone might not be giving the max effort. I mean, that's one of the biggest things, you know, in the NFL, college, wherever, and even high school the same way, is like, is he giving max effort? Is he putting himself on the line? Because that's part of it.

You got to be able to do that over and over and over Yeah, I was mentioning like, which fan base do you think hates you or you hate the most? Because Joe Buck, when he came on the show the first time, that was like his reputation was like every fan base thought Joe Buck had it out for him. Because if you're— and it's usually a team that's not very good and you blame your losses on the guy that's announcing the game. Do you ever get that?

Like, yeah, we totally have a huge effect.

Yeah.

Like if a team that—

oh, you do? No. Yeah, hold on.

On the catch.

I didn't like the sarcasm.

I do joke with Jim about about that a lot. I'm like, yeah, well, you did that, Jim. You just said he has not missed a kick this year. Yeah, here we go. Yeah, cross your fingers.

Yeah, that matters.

I also love anytime a kicker misses, uh, the go-to analysis is like comparing it to a golf swing that you had one time. It's like, that looks like my 9-iron.

Oh yeah. Yeah, well, Jim does that because he knows I had a couple of the chipping yips last year, and he's like, that looks like your chipping there. And I'm like, but he missed it. Yeah, that actually is true. He did. He fatted that one.

The young— yeah, the young Waikou kick that, uh, he just hit the ball.

Yeah, you do want to kick the ball first.

That's actually very—

that's one of the things I've learned over the years. Yeah, so golf ball, the football.

Yeah, so we're going to talk about your football career, but, uh, one last question about your broadcasting. Like, you came in, you were, you know, when you're predicting the plays and you're hot out of the gates and it's like, oh man, this is crazy. Have you had to adjust now that you've been out of the league for a few years where it's like, I gotta relearn some things, or How, like, how does, how's that process where it's like you got to try to figure out how do these new players, these new schemes, how that all works?

Yeah, football's pretty, once you've done it your whole life and studied the way I have, I don't think you're going to see anything new. If you see a new play, they're utilizing something different where they pulled the tackle instead of the guard. But it's 11 people on offense. Only 5 guys can catch a ball. 5 guys have to block. Quarterback. It's got to be tipped before they can catch, so you can eliminate them, right? So you have 5 skill position players, the running back, we'll say tight end, 3 wide receivers, 11 personnel. And you sit there, which is 1 and 1, and then you got 3 receivers, running back, tight end, 3 receivers. That's 11 personnel. Then you sit there and you go, well, the quarterback could technically catch if you did Philly special, let's say. But ultimately there's 5 guys who can catch it. 4 guys are rushing on average. That means there's 7 guys behind them. Them that are guarding 5. There's only so many ways to do that. So at the end of the day, what we're trying to do is give you a look here. So go over here so we can go over there.

So if all the defense wants to go on this side, like, hey, there's 7 guys. If 4 of them are on this side of the ball, let's throw it to the 3-guy side, right? If 4 of them go over here, let's throw it to the 3-man side. And then if they're all deep, let's throw it short. If they're all shorter, throw it deeper. I mean, the game is not rocket science, but when you first start in the NFL, it does feel like— but over— feels like a gazillion years, you start to understand the game is very simple at its core. So there's not like a whole bunch of new, brand new stuff coming.

Yeah, I would agree that, that there's only so much that you can see. I do think though that the NFL has trends that, you know, it ebbs and flows in different directions. And so like the pendulum does start to swing after a bit, whether it's forced by like the rule changes or it's just the nature of how teams are starting to prepare against other teams. So like, what have you seen since you've gotten into the league? Like what direction has— like what new trends do you think have become the, the new—

yeah, it's a great question. So there's been multiple over the years. So the first thing would be let's pretend you're the Patriots in 2003, 2004. '08, they're dominating, they're winning Super Bowls. Everyone's going to try and copy you, how you draft, what you're building, because you're winning, you're beating them. Then, uh, the Seahawks have the best defense. '11, '12-ish, I think they came on, and then boom. So everyone hired their coordinators. They decided we can just play cover 3 and just decided— I remember going against them being like this: you're just going to play one coverage 90% of the That has no chance. Then I went into Seattle, I think it was '12, and I was like, wow, they're really good and they can actually do it. What you found though is they changed the rules of COVID 3. Everything that we had understood about it, they changed the rules for the players on defense. The league ended up figuring that out after 3 or 4 years, maybe 2 or 3. And then all of a sudden when you tried to do it, then all of a sudden people took advantage of that. And so the trends go with the times of who's winning.

Winning.

So whoever's winning, you want to go ahead and copy that. Your job as a head coach, general manager, is to be ahead of the curve and understand. If I'm the Patriots in the early 2000s and we were a 3-4 defense and the whole league starts drafting the big defensive tackle Vince Wilfork right there in the middle, our job now is like, we're going to go take that guy. Well, if you're drafting 28 to 32 every year, we're going to go ahead and change to a 4-3. And get the fast 3 technique defensive tackle and change our system. That's what the best teams do. They basically evolve because you're not going to get the top 3 Vince Wilforks coming out of the draft, but you'll get the top 1 or 2 of the other guys. And so there's only so many organizations that are ahead of the curve like that. You see it play out that way year in, year out.

Yeah.

What are the organizations in your mind that are like doing it at that type of level?

Well, I think you see them, they're always in the mix.

Yeah.

So I mean, that kind of plays out that way. And then you can change it, though. It just takes a hire. It takes one guy to come in and teach the stuff I'm talking about and teach the organization, hire the right people. And all of a sudden you'll find that things will flow the right way. And a good example would be with the Giants. They hired Jon Harbaugh. That's going to change and they're going to get good soon. Now, next year we'll see. But I'm telling you, when someone knows the game the way he does, been around him a gazillion times, it's just he knows how to build something. And we always talk about culture, all these other things, but I'm like, well, X's and O's matter. Who you hire matters tremendously, whether it's the coordinator, the position coach, and then who you draft. Well, if you get those guys all aligned, you're going to find your team to be good. But you have to have that vision. Beforehand. You got to build something from the ground up, but you already have to know the structure of what you're trying to build. Most people come in and they're just going to be them.

And I'm like, no, no, this needs to take shape well before we started the offseason.

Right.

Yeah.

Right.

And you came into an interesting culture when you got— when you joined the NFL. So with Bill Parcells, Sean Payton, I don't know if you saw the stories about Sean Payton that came out over the last couple of days.

I haven't.

So it's fascinating stuff. So So after he got hired as Broncos head coach, he had an idea that he would hire Bill Belichick to come in and be the head coach.

Yeah.

And he would take a step back to be offensive coordinator, at least until Bill could get like the 15 wins. And then Sean Payton would retake over the team. Like, this is a real idea that he had. He also had an idea in the playoff game against the Bills last year to go for it on that 4th and 11 and do a fake punt in overtime from their own territory. The players said, no, fuck that, we're going to punt the ball because we're not insane. So Sean, Sean is like, he's kind of a crazy guy. He's always had like wild ideas. And that's the environment that you kind of get tossed into, right? Was he always that nuts even back then? Like in a good way? Like he's obviously a football genius, but also he's fucking insane.

Well, yeah. When I came into the NFL, Sean, was our quarterback coach. Maurice Carthon was our offensive coordinator at the time, but Sean ended up calling plays and I got to know him really close. And so I still know Sean, you know, at this point, really, we're really close. I just feel like Bill Parcells is kind of the standard for the way that we think in a lot of ways. He taught me and Sean so much. About the game that your standard model kind of goes back to that. And everyone has to have that, right? This is like what we believe in. And I feel like Sean is, you know, when Bo Nix got hurt before the championship game, conference championship game, he comes into the meeting room. I think you read it probably. I'm guessing they put it in an article. You're saying it was an article or a video, but I bet they talked about it at some point where he comes in. I guarantee it came from Parcells. Where he says, I'm not worried about Stitty, I'm worried about the rest of you guys. And I'm like, well, Parcells did that in the '80s or '90s with Jeff Hostetler, right?

And I'm like, this is just what you believe in. And then you start to follow this. Uh, some people might say it's a little bit— would you call it nuts or whatever?

It's pretty fucking insane.

Yeah, insane.

But there's a method to his madness, and energy matters. He brings it every day. I think he's very intelligent. I think the other part that people won't fully understand is that you're taking the data from your players consistently. If you don't, then you're not really that good of a coach because they're on the field, especially if you have a veteran, anybody who's been through it. If I ask the, you know, if I ask Zach Martin and he's in, let's pretend year 8 and I'm sitting there, who's one of the best guards in NFL history. Which I didn't play with him at the time because I only got him for a year or two. But if I asked him, I'd be like, hey, are they running stunts or what are they doing over there? Well, they're doing this and blah, blah. I'd be an idiot as a coach not to listen to him. So the idea is I think Sean probably takes part of that advice, but you're not deciding I'm going to do it because they said that. You just take it into your bank in your brain and you sit there and you go, all right, I'll take that into account and then I'll do the deductive reasoning and then this is what I'm going to do.

To do. But I think you'd rather have a Sean Payton than a lot of other coaches, I can tell you that.

Yeah, no, I mean, all credit to him. He's proven to be an awesome coach. He just has insane ideas. So like the onside kick, I think he's very honest.

Yeah, he talks to the media, and I think a lot of people aren't.

Yeah.

So I mean, I think a lot of people try and hold it close to the vest, and so I think it's appreciative. Yeah. If I was in your guys'—

oh no, I, I love the guy, but like I'm just saying, like the aggressiveness sometimes, he's just always full gas. The onside kick Super Bowl, another example of like he will go for it when a lot of other coaches might be too afraid to do that. They might be afraid. Yeah.

So, and then not scared of the Monday morning quarterback, what people are going to say.

No.

Yeah. Which actually is like a huge test because I feel like there's a lot of coaches that are thinking, looking over their shoulder. It's the coaches that have the security of like, hey, I know I'm not getting fired, I can just coach whatever the best is for this situation.

Well, I think you're more aggressive when you're actually be, uh, safe. Yeah, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

If you have skins on the wall, then you're like, I'm not getting fired, right? But not everybody has that. I mean, think about all the turnover on the coaches in the NFL the last 2, 3 years. It's crazy. But at the same time, I'm like, I think those guys are going to risk and be like, if it works, you're a hero. If it doesn't, you're the reason we lost, right? And I'm like, you got to have the guts. You got to go, you know, the old play to win the game. Yeah. Like, that's a true thing, but not everyone really does that.

Yeah. So you're the start of your career, you're with Sean Payton, you're with Bill Parcells at the Cowboys. You're not a, like, a first-round draft pick. You're not this heralded guy.

Yeah. So close to that, almost drafted.

Was there, was there a moment though where you're, uh, you're like, hey, I actually belong and I think I can do this and I think this is actually I'm going to be able to stick. I'm not just here to be a backup forever and hope to hang on on rosters and training camps. Like, I can do this.

That's a good question. I think the question— I haven't said it many times, but, or ever maybe, but I remember everyone told me because I was undrafted coming out of Eastern Illinois and I come into OTAs Rookie camp. And then you go to OTAs where the veterans come in and we're all there. And there's a dig route on my right, which is about a 15 to 17 yard route by the outside receiver. We'll call it a single 3 by 1. So 3 guys draw a line through the ball, 3 receivers over here. Remember, 5 guys can catch the ball. 3 are on that side, 1's over there, and then there's a running back here. So 3 by 1, we call it. He's going to run a dig route, 15 to 17 yards. Well, you're going to have a linebacker in cover 2. The running back's going to go up about 4 yards, stand there, and that linebacker in cover 2, he has hooked a curl area. So he's got to go here to here. He's either going to come down and take the running back or he's going to stay back on the dig. And I remember he kind of hung there for a while and I'm like, that window's wide open, but I got to move him.

And this is like third pass I've done in team, 11 on 11. And I drop back and I'm looking So I go like this to pretend to throw the running back, and he moves, and I throw it. It was perfect timing. It was so well executed, other than the 5 yards I overthrew the receiver. But everything else was so beautiful. But I remember going back in, I was so disappointed with the throw because I, I did that, but I had not worked on the footwork, the technique, to be able to move that and then throw there. And then all of a sudden I go back and look, and the other quarterbacks waited until he was almost past him. Then they threw it where the next guy's going to get close. I threw it about 4 yards before, right after the cut. So I was letting go. It was natural to me. So I always feel like I tell, you know, my kids sometimes like that was just given to me. The Lord gifted me with the ability just to see it faster. But I was a horrendous thrower of the football.

Ball.

And that's why I would miss all these things when I was young. And then eventually I got really good at throwing. But that was the first time I went, I did throw that when I felt like it was on time. But everyone told me the game's so fast, but it didn't feel fast for me.

Yeah.

And that's what made me feel like, I think I can do this.

Wow.

So it was, it was actually an incompletion that was like, yeah.

Oh yeah.

It was a horrendous incompletion. Yeah.

But yeah, throwing a guy open, like we talk, we hear it all the time. Like those, those are the best quarterbacks. So that was the moment where you're like, oh, I actually belong. Was there a moment then after that where your coaches were like, hey, this guy actually belongs?

There's a couple of huge moments in my career. I think one of the biggest ones that, you know, I know not many people do, but is Seattle preseason game going into my fourth year. Now I'm going into— it's like going to college, right? Year one, freshman, sophomore, junior, senior year. I'm going into my fourth year and I still have yet to play like a down. And I've been improving and throwing the ball better. And my instincts will eventually carry me a little bit with the, you know, ability to throw a football. And then all of a sudden the knowledge, that's where you can become good when they all meet. But they started me in a preseason game. Which is rare. Andrew Bledsoe, who's a great quarterback, number 1 draft pick, and he could throw football incredibly well. He's there and they said, hey, we're going to start Tony in the first or second preseason game at Seattle where all the starters are playing. And that was huge. And I remember going like, okay, you know, right then as an undrafted free agent, you don't get 10 chances at this. You get one, maybe two. And so that was my opportunity.

And, you know, Seattle's really loud. And I went out there, had my kids put up the game probably last year or something. They're like, Dad, this is the first time you started in the preseason here. And the boys are showing me. And I was like, oh my gosh, I was actually decent a little bit. You forget about it sometimes, but it was fun to watch because it was like, I'm about to get hit back shoulder over here, throat, I slipped here. Third, fired it there. It was just one of those moments where it aligned and you had— things went your way. And I went, I don't know, 18 for 20 in the first half for 200 yards, let's say. And I think that was the first time the coaches, to your question, were like— they wanted to test me in an environment that's tough with the starters, against the starters, where everyone back then was really playing. And I performed. And I think that's probably why, you 7 games later, they end up putting me in because I think they believed in me then.

Yeah.

Was that, was that weird at all between you and Drew? Like, especially considering what Drew went through in New England?

I wouldn't say it was weird. I mean, I actually really felt for Drew because I— you never want anybody else to— like, we're all competitors. We want to play. Drew wants to play. I want to play. I mean, they brought in Drew Henson when I was there, who was like, right, would have been the number one pick if he came out, but he went and played baseball. So they brought him in in my second year. And so we're all competing, but you're also with each other every day, and you're like, they're just really good guys. So you can't really— you don't ever root against somebody who's like a good dude. If you're an a-hole, maybe it'd be easier.

But you were bringing them breakfast sandwiches, right, every Friday?

I had to do everything. Remember Larry Allen? Romo, my crown. I was like, I'll get it before the plane.

I got you.

But it's part of the process.

Yeah.

And so when they put you in at halftime, you come in, first throw didn't go so well.

Oh yeah.

Right. So Giants got picked off and then that could have made somebody crumble mentally. I think like that's a— you're probably in a deep hole if you don't have full faith in yourself and a true belief that you can do it. So what happened on the sidelines after that interception? To get you to bounce back?

You probably saw it. I think Parcells might have met me halfway on the field when I was walking off. But that's one of the— there's like 3 moments that are just like you can't breathe, right? Really 2, probably. Seattle, that game was probably as big a game as I ever played in for my career trajectory was that preseason game. And no one talks about that one because it's like It's a preseason game, but that put in the mind of the coaches that he's got something. We believe that he could actually be a starter. The second one is I'm coming in, it's halftime of, I think, Monday Night Football. And your point, they're just going to have an easy bootleg, fake it, turn, throw to the flat, get him started, you know, like everyone would do for a young guy. Well, I remember walking out on the field, the crowd goes nuts. I couldn't breathe. It was like cottonmouth. And you're like, play double right. Sorry, I-form right. It's a bootleg right. Let's go. Here we go. Just do your job. I come out, throw it. Michael Strahan, I believe, is on the edge, tips the ball.

I think Antonio Pierce intercepted it. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Tackle him. It was like, what just happened? I threw an interception first pass. Then you have to come back out and play. Well, let's just say that half was everything you could possibly do in a half of football. I did. I think I threw over 280 yards in a half. I threw 5 touchdowns, 3 to the other team.

Yeah, 2 to mine.

That's— it was smart that you did that in your first game because then everybody was like, smart, you're a gunslinger. You got the gunslinger.

Yeah.

Or like, right now, sometimes when backups get in, like, and they're just like dinking and dunking, you're like, all right, this guy's not gonna— but gunslinger was ceiling. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, anything could happen. Immediate branding as a gunslinger, that will extend your career.

Yeah. Well, I, I wasn't thinking about extending the career. I was just trying to like do my job at the time.

But you were gunslinging that week.

Was huge because I wasn't trying to gunsling. I was just trying to do the right thing. The problem was it was just in you, right?

Yeah, right. That's exactly where you're gunslinging. Just proved our point. Yeah, you're a gunslinger by birth.

The guys that try to be a gunslinger, you know that they're not actual gunslingers. Yeah, yeah.

Gunslingers aren't— they're not like, oh man, I'm gonna go gunsling. They just get out there and they just start whipping it.

That's because I didn't know the game. It was literally like you feel something and you do it. And then when you get older, you're like 4 guys over here, 3 guys over here. Where's the leverage? And so it's funny how when you're young, you're just like feeling it. And then when you get older, it's systematic.

Yeah.

Just with the numbers, leverage, angles. And then you know what's possible, what's not. And then you— I'm just saying the game goes completely different. Whereas when you're young, you're like, I'll make a miss.

Yeah. It's like, man, you really throw it through them.

But it's funny because the next week, uh, After that game, I was so erratic. We lost that the coaches all had to go do a— Parcells did this. He brought every coach in there and they're all sitting there and they said, I want everyone to vote who should be our starting quarterback.

Oh, wow.

I don't think people know this story, but so he brings in every coach. So let's say there's 15 votes and he goes, for doing this, we're all in this together. We're going to vote. Is it Bloodso or is it Romo? And Drew's a great quarterback. Like, honestly, like, if Brady didn't come along, he'd maybe still be playing. But the truth is that day right there, I think Parcells knew what he wanted, but he wanted all the coaches' advice. But I think he already went in and probably asked each guy.

Yeah. I'm just saying, so he knew which way to vote.

I think Bill knew. Already. He's like, I'm not voting. You guys are voting. Here we go. Let's see. And whatever it ends up, we'll do and we'll do it together as a team, as coaches. Right. And I'm like, that's not Parcells. He knows what he's doing. I feel like he went into each office and probably did. I don't know that factually, but was it unanimous?

Do you know?

So it goes through and who's he saved for last in the vote? The assistant quarterback coach who I go out and, you know, I go to practice every day, everything. I mean, you're desperate to get better. And so I'd call him, I'd be like, can you come up? I'd throw 9, 10, 11 o'clock at night. So I'd be up there. So you go to practice all day and then I go throw till midnight, you know, in the bubble and then come back and do the same thing over and over because you just want to improve. And I'm like, so he saved the one guy when it's like 7 to 7 and the last guy is the guy who I work with every single day. And I'm like, I have a feeling that Parcells knew how the vote was going to turn out. Out, but ended up being me, barely. And then, and this is all secondhand, right, from the coaches and people that I knew. Now I'm starting in Carolina, and now I know my career is on the line because the next week I'm like, you ain't getting— it was already a vote.

Yeah, you're not getting another vote.

This is it. Yeah, it's like he's either— if he doesn't perform this week, this is why I tell— there's always so many opportunities, but there are times where it's like, this is it. And so that's the biggest game I ever played in other than Seattle, I would say, to start the process. And then we ended up winning. I played good. And I remember John Madden, Al Michaels, who were doing the game. I mean, that's like surreal to you, right? Like, that was such a huge moment. I could still picture it. It's like a joyful thing for me just thinking about it.

Did you know— did you find out— when did you find out who voted which way? And did you ever stick it to anyone?

Years later.

Okay, you didn't. So you didn't know, like, like maybe the next year and be like, hey, I know you voted for Bloodsuckers.

Oh yeah, I did at some point.

Okay, all right.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, I forgive you.

Jerry got a vote too, right? Let's be honest, Jerry could overrule the entire democracy.

Oh, he could have. Yeah, Jerry always has final— yeah, Jerry always has the one vote that matters. He should. Yeah, and I love Jerry. He's like family. Yeah.

Um, all right, I got a deep cut question for you. I don't know what's a deep Well, it's, it's something that you probably have completely erased from your memory in life, but it stuck with me for so many years that I finally am so happy I can actually ask you this question.

I like it.

You did a Pizza Hut commercial.

Oh my gosh.

Okay.

Yeah.

You're wearing a blank blue hat.

I almost wore it today.

Do you still have that hat?

You—

I was—

I do.

So you— so that's actually the hat because I was just obsessed with the fact that you would pop up at a Duke basketball game and be like, like, that motherfucker's wearing the free commercial hat. Was that the same hat?

This is crazy that he says— you're the first one. I got to give you a pound on this, dude.

It would drive me nuts. I would be like, Tony Romo got a free hat from a commercial and then he wore it every day after. That was the hat, wasn't it?

I remember this. It's so funny. No one's ever brought this up to me. This is nuts. You're, you're brilliant, Big Cat. Where does your brain go to you?

I don't know.

I just was like, crazy.

I was like, why won't Tony admit that he got got a free hat.

He's right.

He's now wearing it.

He's not wrong. I remember sitting there, and every time you wore a hat, there's always something on it, right?

Right.

And my brother-in-law Chase would bring up— he'd be like, I feel like you started the no logo hat. And I was like, well, I don't think I started it, but I definitely wore it a lot.

Yeah.

And then I'm like, I did start the no logo hat. You're right. That's so true. But it did start at the pizza.

So it was the pizza commercial hat. So they hand you a hat for wardrobe because you can't have a logo in a commercial, and then you just wore that.

Exactly. That's a— he's 100% right.

Do you still have the hat?

100%.

It's the same.

Is it the same hat?

It's the same hat.

That's crazy.

That hat never dies.

Can we have the hat?

You want me to wear it in the tournament?

I would love to. I would love to see that hat. I'm happy it's doing well. It's blue. I haven't yet. It's blue. I have, I have the picture of you at the, at the game, at like a Duke basketball game.

I think I brought it.

I feel like you also wore it.

Look at that picture. Yeah, that's you in the hat. And I, I, every time it would pop up, like, Tony Romo's wearing the free Pizza Hut commercial.

You would also wear it for like official team photos sometimes, right? Like at the start of the year, just the headshot. You're like, let me put the hat on.

I wear it a lot.

The bat's a great hat.

That's a Hall of Fame hat.

Were you like your USA hat? Yeah. How does that go wrong?

Yeah.

Were you the, uh, were you the, the patient zero for Colin Coward's take that quarterbacks shouldn't wear their hats backwards?

I think I was probably one of the ones— I, that was actually one of the biggest things when I was young that I remember an old man coming up to me one time being like, don't wear your hat backwards. I was like, I didn't know that was a thing. I was like, I, it just felt like that was the cool thing at the time. If I knew that that was the thing, I probably wouldn't do that. But at the same time, I'm like, well, you got to be you. I mean, I mean, you guys are here because you're you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you think though that, uh, quarterback backwards— we could put them back. Well, no, because we're winning podcasts.

Yeah, we're capital J journalists, right?

We're leaders. We're leaders of men. So do you think that—

watch this—

where do you think there was ever a moment where you wore your hat backwards and you're like, hey, I'm not doing a good job leading the team?

I don't think I ever felt that way. Okay. I just remember a guy coming up one time and someone telling me about that. There's always journalists, you know, when you grow up and you're going through the phase people write things, say things, and you care. When you're young, you're like, what? I didn't know that was a thing. When you get older, you're like, yawn.

Yeah, yeah.

You're like, I think life's going to be okay. Yeah.

What about maybe the biggest compliment that any journalist ever paid you in your entire life? I hope you know this one. Peter King from Sports Illustrated.

Love Peter.

He said, Tony Romo, he leads the league in smiles. How about that?

I didn't hear—

I haven't seen that one.

That was a stat that Peter King invented one year. It just stuck with me forever. And I thought to myself, if I, if I was an NFL quarterback, I probably wouldn't want to be known for that as like my thing is I'm always smiling.

If you're winning, if you're winning is good. I don't think I led the league in smiles losing because I was— those are— that's part of announcing. I'm like, you know how hard it is when you lose? I mean, it's like your family, you— it's a horrendous week. And so I know that part of it where it's like that week either is going to be awesome or horrendous for you, your wife, kids, your parents. I mean, it's so win or lose. It's crazy how much that affects just the way that you feel emotionally, mentally. And your job as you get older is to try and obviously suppress that and make it be like, move on to the next. But the truth is, like, when you're young, you can't really do that. It's like you're either great or you're terrible. There is no in-between. And I feel like that's one of the great things about the sport is like, it matters. Yeah, it matters to all these people so much. And by the way, when you lose too much, you not only affect your life, you affect every one of those coaches' lives. They're going to be gone.

Their families are going to move. The kids are going to move schools. Like there's a lot put on a quarterback in the National Football League. Head coach, same thing. I mean, it's a big deal.

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So when you got into the league, Dan Campbell was on that team, right?

Yeah.

On that Cowboys team as a tight end. What was he like at that age? Was he— was he— I don't want to say insane again, like with Sean Payton, but like, was he always Dan Campbell?

Oh, Dan's not changed.

Yeah.

One iota. Dan was the guy I looked up to in so many ways when I got there. I mean, he might be the only guy I've ever seen who was a captain of the team and he wasn't the starter, like truly, right? And I'm like, because Jason Witten's incredible, but Dan was voted captain and you're like, well, Witten's unbelievable, but Dan's work ethic— but he was the cool guy. Like, I'm not joking, like I just want to be around Dan. So I was the young kid who's trying to make the team made the team, and I'm like, what are you doing, Dan? I'll just hang around you. And so I went out with Dan one night and it was great. And if you look at my hand right here, we still have some memories from that night because he's sitting there and he's randomly smoking a cig one night and he's like, I'll tell you one thing, Rumble, come here. And he goes, psst, right on my hand.

And I was like, ah!

What are you doing? He's like, isn't that funny? That's crazy. Yeah. All right, let's go. We gotta go home. Let's go. And I was like, that wasn't fun at all. That's good shit.

Yeah.

I was like, but it's Dan, so it's cool.

Yeah. So that kind of—

just love him. He's the ultimate culture creator. Yeah, that's Dan. He is a leader of men like, like I've never seen before.

So, so it kind of ties into another question. So him as a backup tight end, and he's naturally a true alpha in that locker room.

100%.

A quarterback, like, is it possible for a good quarterback to lead a team and not have that alpha personality? If, if there's like a bigger one in the room, like if you had a Dan Campbell, it's like, what am I supposed to do about that?

You, you 100% can lead. I've seen 20 different versions of quarterbacks leading a team, from whether it's communication, whether it's work ethic, whether it's quiet confidence. I mean, there's a lot of different ways to do it. I mean, you don't have to be— you have to be an alpha up here. So in other words, you got to know that we're going to win and you got to lay your body on the line. That's a big thing that people don't talk about enough is just lay your body on the line. In other words, I could check this ball down right now and you see older quarterbacks sometimes, they know the game well enough to be like, that's going to take a little long and I'm going to take this shot here. But I'll just check it down. And okay, it's like, no, no, I know I can get that off on that dig rod I talked about earlier, but this guy's gonna hit me square in the jaw. And it's like, but that's gonna help our team. Bam! Well, that's what it takes. You do that over and over again, you are a leader of the team.

It's like sacrificing yourself and your body, and then obviously doing the right things day in, day out, work ethic. But you don't have to be the rah-rah guy. That's a little bit overrated in some ways, but you do have to know the game. Yeah, you have to know the game. You've got to be able to teach other guys.

Yeah, you got it.

They got to learn from you.

Yeah. And you were a tough, tough football player, like playing with a broken back.

You know, like, sure, that was smart.

No, but seriously, like, you're like, no one ever questioned your toughness. Like, you know, it's— you're right that, like, I would imagine everyone in the locker room's like, this guy's going to put it all on the line. When you do retire, it did feel like you had a little left in the tank.

Yeah.

Was that a difficult decision where it's like, hey, I probably can get healthy here and play at a high level for a few more years? Like, how did that— how did that all go down?

No, you're right. I mean, I really contemplated right up till the end because, like, I'm not a guy with big, like, regrets, I guess you could say. Like, I'm not sitting here being like, oh, I regret— I'm like, The only regret I guess I would have is that my job was to bring a Super Bowl to Dallas and I didn't do it. So that always sticks with me a little bit because, you know, you give your whole body and heart, soul, everything into it. And you just wanted that for all the fans, for the Joneses, for everybody that you're around. And so that, that one always sticks with me a little bit just because, you know, I had that opportunity and just wasn't able to do it. Able to do it. So that part of it kind of still sits there. But at the end, it was like, I could go somewhere else and do it because I was like, I got to win a Super Bowl. I mean, it's literally what you play the game for. Nothing else matters. And it just was like, but would that be the same if I went somewhere else and did it?

Because at that point, I'd known the game at such a high level, like my last 20 25 games, we were pretty successful when healthy.

Right.

But I was getting injured more often and body breaks down in some ways through the years. And, yeah, I think just it was as simple as it just wouldn't feel as important or as— I mean, it would be important to me, but I'm like, it was for the people I was around, right? All the fans that we had.

Was there a moment after you retired, maybe a year or 6 months where you're like, I feel good today? Like I woke up feeling good and it's like, I might get him a call.

Give him a call, Jim. Yeah, I think, uh, there were times that first year where I was like— and I did get some calls, but it was just like, you know, I had— it was just, you start to move on, and then the body and everything, and then on top of it, it's like, it's still not Dallas. And for me, it's like the Cowboys were home. And now I root for so many teams. It's funny because it's Like, I rooted against the NFC East my whole life. Like, I was always like, we'd finish a game and it'd be like, the Giants, Commanders, uh, the Eagles, did they lose today? It's like you cheering and everything. And then all of a sudden you're like, now I'm like, I like that guy. I like him. I like for the people, like, now I'm like, I like guys on the Giants. I mean, I like guys on the Eagles. I like guys on the Commanders, right? So it's like, I root for so many teams because of the people that you meet. And you're like, that guy sells everything out all day long and I like him. He's doing it the right way.

It's like I'm a fan of these teams sometimes and it's like I root for them in some ways.

Yeah.

What's one team that called you? Just give us one team.

I'm not gonna go there.

Oh, come on.

Just one team.

Just make a little, make a little hint for us.

Can you give us 5 guesses?

3 teams that called, but there was like a bunch of teams like Before then, that's after the season started. Before then, I really had real decisions to make because teams were like wanting you. But I mean, at the time, it was like, I mean, I actually, as a competitor, you're like, somebody wants you, right? And you'd like that at your core, but you're also like, is that right?

Right.

It just didn't feel right. I don't know how to explain it. And so even the same thing going back back. It's like, I mean, there's been a gazillion— same thing as like, I've been offered like head coaching jobs in the NFL, and it's from owners. And that's always flattering because they know you know the game at a high level. So I'm like, I would try and do a little more of this than that. And they listen to people, their coaches, people every day, so they learn all this stuff. But when you can really get into the nuance of them and tell them certain things that they hadn't heard, and it's like the game— it— there's many levels to it. And when you know it at that level, you can really teach people. And I think the people that you hire— when Andy Reid went to Kansas City, that changes the trajectory of where that organization goes.

Yeah.

So it's like you just need to get the right kind of people.

Yeah.

So now I have to guess what teams offered you head coaching jobs. Browns. They offered Condoleezza Rice. They had to— you had to come up before Connie.

No.

Cowboys.

No, I'm not even going there.

But no, and no, you kind of went there though.

Yeah, you went there, you went there first.

You're gunslinging.

This is more about like, honestly, the people who are hiring, that is as important a role as who the quarterback is. Probably the most important— the head coach and quarterback are the two most important people in the organization. The owner is right there in some ways because who he hires to be the head coach then trickles down to who the quarterback will be, who he hires to be the general manager. So it's the hiring that matters. You've got to be able to know what makes the difference and how you're going to build this whole thing. So if you don't have a mapped out plan organizationally before, it's just random. And then the other teams are going to beat you.

All right. You ready for another? I'm going to give you a compliment that you're— I guarantee you haven't gotten this one.

Okay.

Yeah, uh, because I remember I wrote a blog about this back in the day. Uh, I love the fact that you were probably making like hundreds of millions of dollars, the quarterback. True. All right, whatever your contract, you know, you're making $20 million, you're the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, and somehow, some way, Tony Romo is vacationing with his family at, I believe, Noah's Ark in the Wisconsin Dells. What a white trash move. And I was like, tip of the cap, how is this guy here? The Wisconsin Dells, God love it, is— I'm sure you're at Ho-Chunk Casino.

Oh, if Mike Kenny—

like, it's crazy that you were there. I just remember being like, why? Tony Rome was at an indoor water park. Exactly. In Wisconsin.

So it's just so clean.

Congrats. So clean. So nothing—

none of those kids there, right?

Yeah.

So congrats on that. That was, uh, yeah. Did you ever go to Cruisin' Chubbies?

Oh, you know this too well.

Yeah, I know Cruisin' Chubbies.

You know the Cheese Castle?

Yeah, yeah.

But yes, I was like, damn, that's like just a regular day.

Oh man, this is what we do. Yeah, I'm a taxicab driver these days. I got a 14, 12, and 8-year-old boy and I'm like, what practice am I going to? Where am I taking them? Go to school, pick them up. You do the— it's like, it's a great time in life, but at the same time, it's funny. It's like, I weirdly love it. And at the same time, I'm like, do we need to go in there right now? Can we wait another 10 minutes before we get in there? Yeah. Yeah, but the Dells are amazing.

Yeah, the Dells are incredible.

Those are amazing.

So we— I want to talk about your golf game too. So it's funny, we had Taylor Tolman on the show and we were asking about like who can win this tournament. Your name came up and he said, I guarantee you Romo's on the range right now hitting like 700 balls. No joke. We finished the interview, I walk out, you're staying there. I think you were the only one there.

I was on the range. Yeah.

How many, how many balls are you hitting a day? Like, are you— you're just this obsessed with golf?

Well, it's no different than football. It's like, if you want to be good at something, I mean, it's, it's reps. Yeah. I mean, that's the secret to anything. It's— I remember I went after my first year in college, I was a freshman quarterback, and I had never taken a drop, 5 or 7 step drop in high school. So I get here and I'm this sixth string quarterback at Eastern Illinois on a partial scholarship. I get to get about 23, 25%, which is a big deal, by the way. You should recognize that. That's a big deal. Partial scholarship at Eastern Illinois. That's hard to get. And I'm there and I remember just missing every throw. So the starting receivers, as we're in routes on air, they call it, receiver goes up, we're just warming up. Next quarterback comes up, he throws the ball. The next receiver goes up, he throws the ball. Next receiver. So you might find— well, the starters, as soon as I got up there, they'd be like, oh no, no, no, I'm waiting. Next receiver go up, the young guy, because my ball will come in like this. They didn't want to break their fingers.

Probably pretty smart on their part. But after the first year, coach calls me in. Now it's evaluation time. Tony, we think you'd be better off Coach Spoo, who was an amazing coach, he goes, I think you'd be better off moving to tight end. And he says this and it's like a shock to your system, right? And you're like, oh, I don't know, Spoo. I don't know, Spoo. Well done. And I said, I listened to him. He's like, listen, we had a guy, Willingham here. He did the same thing when he came in. He ended up being a great tight end and everything. I was like, I was like, it breaks your heart a little bit in some ways, but I was like, Coach, if you can give me till the spring, because we have spring ball in April and this is like late November, early December. I'm like, if you can give me till the spring and if you don't think I've improved, then I think maybe we'll entertain that decision, but just give me till the spring. Are you okay with that? And if I haven't improved, then we'll talk about that. And he goes, all right, that's fair.

We'll do that. That was the day I literally said, I'm never skipping a day of throwing the football. So every day, and it went for 12 years, and everyone used to be like, hey, you got to rest your arm in the offseason, everything. I'm like, I'm not good enough, I can't rest my arm, I've got to throw. These guys are better than me, I can see them. So I went 12 years, and that all the way through the NFL, vacations and everything, every day.

What's the, what's the weirdest place you said, I gotta go throw.

My dad came home, he was late from work. It's, uh, probably -5 out in Wisconsin, and it's December the next year, let's say. And I'm like, there's a light on out in the street. And I give my dad so much credit, he would throw with me every time I asked him after work. I mean, he worked, left at 4:30, 5 AM, get home at 5 or 6, and It'd be dark, eat, and then I'd be like, can we throw? And I can remember going out there and I broke his finger. And I remember being really disappointed, but I threw really good that day. So I was like a little bit okay. But my dad, he's a hero of mine. So that's probably what— but it was like, I can't skip a day. And then I would throw 2 times a day, 3 times a day. But I was just trying to— I would throw into the pillows on the couch just because I wanted to feel it, how it came off. Off, and then eventually you get it. And when you get it, the game gets easier.

So that's what you're doing with golf?

So trying to—

so how— I mean, like, you're, you're practicing. How many balls did you hit today on the range?

I don't know, a couple.

Come on, a couple thousand.

I mean, the idea is— I'll say this, I'm coming into this tournament better than I have been in the last couple years. I got into the Chipping Gips a couple years ago, and it took literally 2 years to get out of it. Like, and I took lessons from everyone and then talked to everybody. I mean, you got— I got Scheffler over here, Spieth, Tiger. I mean, whoever, everybody. And I'm like, I'll take anything. Yeah, what do you got?

Are you actually— because you've, you've played what I heard— I read that you played 500 rounds with Scottie Scheffler, somewhere around there.

That was an exaggeration. Okay, but I'm like, I've played 500, but the truth is I probably played 40 with him back then. I probably played 15 with him this year.

Okay, but are you asking him for tips? And is it always— can he translate? Because it's probably so easy for him.

He's pretty good. Okay, you guys know he's actually good at the game of golf.

Has he gotten you in?

It's—

he's helped me tremendously. I'm around them. Will Zalatorre, same way. These guys, I mean, I pepper them with questions about it, and I've improved because of them in a lot of ways. But at the same time, it doesn't always resonate right now. And what I've learned is 'Cause what they tell you now may not help right now, but in a year, 6 months, when all of a sudden something changes in what you're doing, you're like, can you recall that? Now I understand what they're saying. But it doesn't always work right now, but it might one day if you can actually have the recall. So you write everything down, you go back through your notes every day. It's the only way I figure out how to be successful is to just grind and work your butt off.

Yeah.

Are you the, uh, are you the best former NFL player golfer?

Former NFL player golfer.

Because we see a lot of hockey players out here, you see some baseball players, a lot of pitchers that have, you know, days off. Yep.

But don't they always make that move, right? So they're always going.

Yeah, it's like also the— I, I just assume their ability to understand like every fine, like, you know, twitch muscle that they're at, like they get and they like, okay, I know exactly what I went wrong here. Yeah, it's similar to probably throwing a football.

Well, I think, I think the move is like, right, they have something in their hand and they're going to go ahead and hit another thing. Where in football, it's like it's in our hand.

Yeah.

So we make it happen. So we're going to go ahead and throw that thing. Where it's like they have a stick and they're going to hit another thing while it's moving, I guess you could say. But that allows them to have the right rotation, body movement movement. So usually the best players here, um, are going to be those type of guys. Uh, but at the end of the day, golf ball doesn't lie. Yeah, it correctly doesn't matter what sport you played.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, all due respect, this new segment called All Due Respect.

I like this.

All due respect.

All due respect, I'm a Washington fan.

Um, you're what?

I'm a Washington Commanders Redskins fan. I used to love it when you would throw interceptions. All due respect, it was— it made me so happy.

I love it.

You're a real fan.

I'm a real fan.

I, I—

for some reason, the interception that you would— because you would throw, you would take chances, and you would really, you would really throw.

Yeah.

Do you have a, um— we've asked, I think, Brett Favre this, um— do you have a favorite interception that you ever threw?

I do remember I ended up having back surgery the next up in Washington. Our season was on the line. It wasn't the last game of the year, second to last. If we lose, we're out of the playoffs. And so I'd never played in a game where I was eliminated from playoff contention. So I was like, that's weird because it's like, if we lose this game, I'm playing in a game next week where I'm not having a chance to play. That's like weird in your brain. So we're in Washington and I didn't realize my back disc surgery I'm gonna have the next day. And we're there and all of a sudden I move and I throw this 3-yard route. This guy hits my foot from behind as I twist and it goes searing.

Ah!

And I'm like, oh my God. I go down and I try and throw it from me to that wall 5 feet behind you. And I could barely get it on like a 3rd down to Miles Austin. It was like, eh. And he's like, what is this ball? And it was like, here, caught it, got the first down, everything. It's our final drive of the game. And I go down and they call a play and I'm like, I can't throw that. Like I could tell, I'm like, no. So here comes an interception coming really soon. Then all of a sudden, game's on the line, your season's on the line. And I sit there and if I was smarter, I probably wouldn't have played, but I didn't know any better because your season's on the line. So you just play. I roll out right and Terrence Williams gets behind the corner like 5 or 10 yards. He's about 25 yards downfield, which is an easy throw, throw it 35, 40 yards. And I'm like, I don't know if I can do this, but you're like, season's on the line. So you go boom and you're like, oh, I throw it and he should have scored, but I underthrew it because I was like, as far as I could throw it.

So the corner ends up catching him, but he gets all the way down to like the 1-yard line. And now I'm like, okay, we're going to win. Coach calls a handoff or we come over the sideline. There's a timeout. He's like, what do you think? I'm like, throw it on first down, play action to the flat. I can throw it 4 yards to the fullback. Boom. Run it on second down, play action again on third down, and then we'll decide if it gets to fourth down. He's like, okay, we're going to run it and then we're going to run it and then we're going to run it. I was like, This is the one team on earth. I know this system. They 11 guys blitz. They'll let you throw it in.

What year was this?

Oh gosh, this is 2013, I believe. 2013.

By the way, this story is awesome. All-time Romo sounds are coming out. It's really like the back injury Romo sounds are—

oh gosh, this was painful. And, uh, it's stupid, honestly. If I'm being honest, I'm like, don't ever do that anyway, because I'm like, it affects the rest of my life going forward because it ends up going from a herniated disc to a ruptured disc because I played. And, uh, but you know, as a quarterback, it's like you're just adrenaline, you're just like, I'm gonna do it, our season's on the line. Like, if it was week 6, you might not have, but, um, first down, handoff stuffed, they sell out, all 11 guys are blitzing, no one's trying to cover. Second down, handoff stuffed, And I'm like, probably could have thrown any of those. Remember that conversation we had on the sideline? Third down, they're going to run it again. Handoff stuffed. Nope, sorry, not stuffed. Goes in, gets stuffed. And then DeMarco runs to the left and I'm like, come on, this is in the last minute and a half of the game. Goes back right, then goes backwards, gets tackled at the 10-yard line.

Yep.

And then all of a sudden, there's a timeout. Coach comes there, he's like, hey, whatever you like, we're up for doing. I was like, oh, that's so funny. Because I liked that fake handoff on first down and goal line where I could just throw the ball 3 yards to the guy in the flat. Because you know, they blitz, like I said, everybody. And so now they're like, I'm like, thanks. Give me 11 personnel. So we get out there and I'm like, hey, you guys, I got the dig route I told you earlier with the back who's supposed to go underneath him. But I tell him to go to the flat, DeMarco, and I'm going to try and look to the dig. It's T.O. at the time, I believe. No, it's Dez at the time on the back. And I'm like, I can throw to him in the back of the end zone, try and move the defense because they're going to end up being in some shell coverage of a cover 2 form, which is kind of 4-2. And I drop back, guy rushes up here, I move up, pretend, pretend, and I'm still trying to throw there.

And then I throw to DeMarco and I turn him him because he's running a flat route. So I turn him this way so his body has to go— as he's running here, he's got to turn back this way to catch the ball so he can get over the line. He scores, we win the game. So that's my best interception in Washington.

That's good. That was a good one.

Do you like that, PFT?

That was a good one. That was a good one.

He was starting to catch on when he's like, what year was it?

He's like, wait a sec, I'm not feeling the interception.

No, I thought you were going to talk about— yeah, there's There were some interceptions that we had, and I was like, that was so well done. I was like, that one doesn't check out at all.

Oh, we also have a diehard Eagles fan here. Max hates your guts.

Uh, I like, I like, uh, Jeffrey Lurie. I've talked to him a million times. Him and Howie are unbelievable. It's one of the organizations that is really well done.

Yeah, Max, you got a question for Tony?

Uh, that's very nice of you to say. Unfortunately, all the Eagles fans for sure hated, hated your guts for and when you played there.

I certainly hope so.

And it would be a disservice of me not to say that.

But you gotta do it.

You've been a very nice guy today.

You gotta do it for the fans.

Wait, Tony, do you have a favorite interception you threw against the Eagles?

I thought you had to do this. So my last drive of my career was in Philly. So the only time I played, I think the whole season was 2016. And we rest the starters because we already locked up the number 1 seed. So we couldn't move the ball. Eagles are fantastic. And I come in and I'm like, okay, we're like in the second quarter, late first. And all of a sudden we have no like starting offensive linemen, no starters. I'm like, that's okay. So I come in and it's my literally last drive, the only drive. I think I did all year in 2016. It'll be the last drive of my career. And it's third down and 8 or something. And I throw a strike on a dig, throw Rob, boom, boom, boom, come down on the last play. And I made up a play on the last one and I called it a smoke and go. So smoke and go is this. A smoke means RPO for the rest of the world. RPO means run-pass option. The quarterback decides a run-pass option. Nobody else. The coaches diagram it to say, you're the outside linebacker, your job is to fit the outside gap right here.

Set hut. If I hand the ball off, you got to fit there. Well, if he comes running in, that receiver right there can go right there and I can throw behind him because he has to defend that zone. You know, let's say he's got hook to curl or curl to flat. So we're putting him in a bind. He's got two options. So So the only person who knows is the quarterback. He's going, "Sit hut." Oh, he stayed there. Let the guy run with the ball. Oh, he started coming. I throw it to him, right? Well, the same thing happens single receiver. Remember 3 by 1? Cut the line in half, 3 receivers there, running back here. I'm in shotgun. I said, or I'm under center. I'm like, I can hand off or I can throw a smoke, we call it, stand there and turn. So if the corner's off 10 yards, you go sahat, boom, you throw it to him and he gets 5 yards. It's a run. So I told him, I was like, Terrence Williams, just stand there, do the smoke, and then go. We've heard of hitch and go, curl and go, like a double move, but I hadn't seen him before.

But I've been dying my whole career to do this, and it's kind of like, yeah. So I told him, I was like, I want you to go ahead and stand there like I'm gonna throw right away. Boom, from under center. If the corner's off and then run a go. So I went set hut and I pumped and he went and the corner comes flying down because he's never seen that because no one goes set hut.

Yeah.

And then runs a go route.

Right.

It would be dumb. We're at like 6, 7 yard line. Set hut, boom. I go bam. He goes and I throw it and I'm like, that's touchdown. So when I threw it, it was a touchdown. So that's my best interception.

These don't make any sense.

These aren't—

these aren't interceptions.

Those are touchdowns.

I didn't understand the difference.

Now I'm getting— hey, listen, if you want to brag about beating the 2013 Washington Redskins, get in fucking line, buddy, because we sucked that year.

Okay, Max, do you have a question?

By the way, those two teams right there, they actually gave me some of the worst games I've played. How about that?

Is that better for you?

Yeah, thank you.

They killed me at times.

Yeah, we're probably holding in Iraq the entire time.

Jim Johnson. Yeah.

Haslett.

Yeah.

Yeah. They gave me trouble.

Yep. Um, all right, well, Tony, this has been awesome. Okay, so I guess the, the— we have a couple last questions. Zach's gonna come up in a second. But, uh, so we really appreciate you coming on because like we said, we, we do— we, we, we, we go after you sometimes. We go after a lot of announcers. Are we free to do that still?

Oh, by all means.

Okay, we're gonna get a lot of people being like, you made us love Tony Romo, which that is a testament. You, you coming here and playing ball with us, like, it's awesome.

It's your guys' job. And honestly, the fact that you guys have gotten to where you're at shows you your work ethic, testament to what you do and your knowledge of the sport. So fire away.

I'll always take compliments.

I'm gonna be okay.

I'll always take—

I think we're also like, we're rascals but we're not complete assholes, right? So yeah, we're gonna continue to pull some rascal shit.

We'll put a cherry bomb in your toilet, but we're not gonna like run you over with with our car, right?

So I'm not gonna die.

Yeah, right, exactly. And also, if you want to like— yeah, I mean, the sounds, you gotta know, you know, when you, when you get crazy with the sounds. There's a couple times where I think I've tweeted like, I feel like I'm on drugs right now because I don't know what just happened. It's the slow-mos. When the slow-mos happen, that's when you, you hit the sound button and you're just like—

I'm actually learning right now. You're teaching me. Yeah. So yeah, I'm actually gonna try and take that in.

I'd actually be bummed out if you stopped doing I don't know, Jim. That one I want you to keep doing. That one is— that one's a—

what should I stop? Tell me that.

Well, because, no, here's the problem is like, you're right to say I— no one knows if it's a catch or not.

Yeah, we don't know.

I mean, like, I think I know, but I'm like, is he gonna call it that way?

Yeah, right.

And I know this guy's history, and I'm like, I don't know if he's gonna call it that way.

Yeah, I actually think you should lean into it even more because then, then it would be like an inside joke between the three of us.

That's pretty good.

Where you see if you can go, uh, I don't know, Jim, for like 20 2 seconds. Like, just fucking hit it and just be like, wait, did our TVs just break?

If we did that, that's you guys. If I do it for 2 seconds, if I go 4, you know it's—

yes, yes. Um, all right, Zach, come on up. But seriously, thank you so much, Tony. This has been so much fun.

Thank you guys.

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Hold on, did you just do that like off top of your head?

Yes, I've been doing it for a while.

That is impressive.

A long time.

Do you ever have to do that?

That's not a promo that I've ever seen before.

Do you have to do any of the ad reads, or is that all Jim that he has to do when it's like 60 Minutes?

We switch it up, but I just let him do everyone.

Yeah, yeah, smart.

It's really smart. Yeah.

What's going on, Tony? I got a quick question for you. I believe in 2006 when you became the starting quarterback of the Cowboys, you were 26. Uh, with them being the biggest market in the NFL, what was it kind of like? Just, just because you pretty much became the man in the biggest market that they, in the sport. So any, any examples of like maybe moments where that kind of hits you like, oh, this is bigger than me, but I'm also like kind of the guy in, in Texas. What was that like?

That's a good question too. I feel like when your world changes like over a month, like you went from Because when I first started, I was like 6-1 or something, or 5-1 or 6-1, I think it was, to start my first 7 games of my career. And the one loss, I took us down to win the game and we got a blocked field goal that I think the game was tied and then they blocked it. I was holding, which didn't end up great by the end of that season. Yeah, but at the time it was Washington, actually. Sean Taylor, I think, might have been a part part of it, if memory serves.

I can't remember specifically, but Troy Vincent that blocked it, Sean Taylor picked it up.

Yes. And then there's a face mask. Yeah.

Then Nick Novak.

There you go, PFT. Now you're showing off. Stop.

I remember that game was awesome. That was a great—

I thought I let us down to win the game because then I would have been like 7-0 to start my career. But that was the loss. And if it wasn't for a face mask while we tackled the guy who blocked it, then they kicked it and made it. We lost, but it was like a good, you know, bunch of times you took them down and win. But what happens is overnight your world, your life changes. Like all of a sudden you're a backup who's like, I'm trying to play in the NFL and I am somebody. Do you like me? Possible wife one day?

No.

And then all of a sudden you become this thing and life will never be the same after that. That. And so it's a great question because it felt like there's life before then, and then there's life after then. And there's nothing wrong with it. It just is. And I'm so thankful for, you know, everything that's happened. Like I said, I wish I brought a Super Bowl to Dallas. That would be the one thing I regret that I wanted for all the fans. But other than that, it's an incredible moment in my life and time period that made me feel hard to describe, let's say, to my kids, family, and stuff about how from January to December life changes.

Yeah. You got a follow-up?

Yeah, I guess follow-up with those different timestamps on before and after. Do you have any— would there be any advice from 2026 Tony to 2006 Tony?

I did this— I think it was a Football Life or something I did, but '07, I played in a playoff game against the Giants. And we were against Steve Spagnuolo, who was defense coordinator. He ran this coverage that was a version of 2-4. Now I know it like yawn, but back then it was like, where's your read start and stuff? And we had a drive at the end and I threw a couple of balls balls. I remember when I threw to Patrick on a go route, I don't think he thought I was going to throw to him. And he slowed, but I was like, that was a touchdown possibly to win the game there. And it was just didn't work out. And I remember in 2014, we're in the playoffs against the Detroit Lions who are the number one seed or sorry, number one defense in the league, which is going to give you problems. And they just hammered Green Bay. Who's going to go to the NFC Championship Game? We're going to lose on the Dez catch the next week after this. But they hammered them that year by like 20 or 30 because it was— they made it very difficult on quarterbacks.

They could pressure the defense, had the same structure, everything like, like '07 with Spagnuolo, like the rules which are unique and I remember walking out there with 7 minutes to go in the game roughly, and we're down and we need a touchdown to take the lead. And I remember running out there being like, man, like, I know now what they're going to do. But I was like, I wish I knew in '07 what I know now in '14 as I'm running out to the huddle. And so fortunate enough to go down and throw a touchdown pass and win that game. But that would be the one thing is like, I wish I just had the knowledge someone had taught me a little earlier or something, you know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I'm always trying to do with my kids, is just teach them things so they have a little bit knowledge earlier than later. Yeah.

All right, well, Tony, thank you so much, man. We really appreciate it. It's, uh, it really is like one of the, one of the joys we have. We've been doing this podcast for 10 years is like when we can, we can bust someone's balls, they come on and they're like, they have fun with us, you know what I mean?

Because you're great.

It really is never— we never try to make it mean-spirited. It's just just— it's a testament to you. You get all the credit for that, uh, because you could easily say, no, fuck those guys, I'm not coming on the show.

Well, I might going forward. We'll see how you guys—

that's true, that's true, that's true. But, uh, yeah, you are now a recurring guest, so anytime you want to come on, and best of luck this weekend.

You guys are awesome.

Good luck, man.

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Thank you to Kraken for sponsoring Mount Rushmore today. It is the Mount Rushmore of guys you want to see ride a horse. Now, we were going to do— I think the prompt, by the way, everyone who sent in Mount Rushmore ideas, the weirder the better. Thank you for sending them in to Zach. Keep sending them in. The prompt was people you want to see ride a horse. We realized if we did that, it would just be a big titty competition, which we could do the Mount Rushmore big tits at some other time.

It would be fine.

So we're doing guys. Just know we would—

we're doing guys.

We're doing guys.

Take that, James Dolan.

Yep. Okay. Who's up first?

That will be PFT.

And what is the scores?

The score is Big Cat Max and myself at 17, PFT at 16. Hank and Zach at 9.

Okay, this is a terrible one to have first pick in. That's okay.

Okay.

Okay. For the first pick, I'm gonna take Guy Fieri. Would love to see Guy riding a horse straight to Flavortown.

Okay.

Yep. I bet he'd be good at it.

Yeah, he probably would. Um, Guy Fieri rocks. Max, we got our 1-1.

Yeah.

Max was giggling like a little girl.

I just kept thinking about this guy riding a horse and kept making me laugh.

Yeah. We'd like to see— we'd like to see Donald Trump ride a horse. Yeah, it would be just— I actually don't think he ever would ride a horse, but it would be fun to watch him ride a horse. We looked—

we tried to look at pictures and there was just a bunch of illustrations of people.

Yeah.

But it would— Trump will just have him getting on top of a horse and be so funny, like seeing him try and like jump on top. Oh, it'd be so good.

It'd be so good in a suit, a full suit, full tie Trump.

I would also take golf attire.

Yeah, or, or the video of him, uh, with tennis attire. Now I'd also take that. Please do.

Cart breaks down. Sir, we got to get you out.

Yeah, yeah, you're on the 14th hole.

Yeah, you got to get on the horse. Yes, sir.

Oh man.

Okay.

All right.

We got our 1-1 still. Um, just because it would mean that there was a horse big enough to do it. Yao Ming.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Good pick. Very funny. It's a funny pick.

This is the toughest.

I love it.

Everyone's gonna have their top 4.

Yeah. We started to do the list. We're like, we got to like 15. We're like, I think we're okay because this is such a Specific whatever you think is funny in the moment.

Okay, Zach, you think 1 or 3, Hank?

I think 1. Ah, whatever you think.

Yep.

Oh, all right. All right. Yeah, our second pick, we're going to take James Winston.

Oh, all right. That's good one. Yeah, that is good.

I could see him riding a horse.

Yeah, that's a good one.

All right. What do we want to do?

Didn't he have that— was that quote about the horse? He had a quote about a horse last year, like pregame speech. Yeah.

The horse rides or something. And the victory horses prepare for battle.

Yeah, that's right, boys. What do we want to do?

But victory comes from the little—

one or two?

Yeah, I think one, just because two, he's kind of similar, right? Or do you think two? What?

What?

No, no, 2 is similar to something they picked.

I think 1 is similar to they pick. What, are we looking at different numbers here?

I don't know.

All right, you, you make the pick. 1 or 2 is fine.

Wait, the similar would be 1?

No, because he's not, he's not fat, he's just— all right, we're, we're, we're Okay. What do you want to do, Memes? You make the—

you make either.

You got to make it.

You got to make the decision.

You got to make a pick, Memes. Shaq.

Okay.

Shaq.

Good pick. Shaq.

So fucking big. Just everything about Shaq.

I had Shaq on the list. Good pick.

Good pick. Way to make a decision. All right. Board is open.

Yeah, I got two back to back here.

We've got so many picks. That no one—

I'm going to go Stephen Hawking.

Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Okay.

Love to see Stephen Hawking on a horse. I mean, it'd be something.

Yeah.

Tell me it wouldn't take your breath away.

I would.

Yeah, that's a good pick.

And did you think about the fucked up one?

Huh?

We could talk about it in honorable mentions.

Yeah, we could.

Okay.

I'm going to go with Wimby.

Okay.

That was— that's what we were going back and forth with.

The horse would be very confused.

It was Wimby or Shaq.

That's what we—

Yeah, I think the horse would just look—

if it was Shaq, it would look at You'd be like, what?

What the fuck? No. And just sit down like a dog. If it's Wimby, it would be like, what is this thing?

If Wimby goes back to like monk school and he's like climbing a horse up a mountain, that would be the greatest video.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He could probably like, you know how you teach kids to ride on bikes where their feet can touch the ground? That'd be like Wimby on a horse. Like he's actually able to walk the horse like a Flintstone car.

Yeah. Okay. What do we want to do, boys? I like 15. I like 11.

I like 11.

Okay. I like 7 as well.

I like 5.

5.

Oh man, we're all over the place.

But you both said—

I like 5 too.

I love 5.

I like 5, 7, and 11. I like 5, 7, 11.

Go 5 and I'll pick the last one.

Uh, we're gonna go Danny DeVito.

Danny DeVito.

Uh, yep, I had him on my list.

Danny DeVito. I love that there's a couple that we both have on our list.

It would be a very funny visual.

I had DeVito on here.

Very funny visual.

He was right underneath Wimby. Mm-hmm.

I think I just deleted our list, Zach. Uh, oh no, it's our pick, right? Yeah, we're gonna go Coach O.

Okay. Oh, okay, good pick.

Sure.

I like could see him on—

I—

yeah, you could see him like running a practice.

Yeah, on a horse. Yeah, for sure.

Welcome to the Gator Rodeo.

Yeah, for sure.

Oh, we have two.

Oh yeah, you have two. Yeah, all right, go for this.

Go for the Prince.

That's how it works.

What do you think?

Prince?

So confused.

I thought you were saying Prince.

You were sweet.

We're going to be so confused about Sweet Prince Harambe. No, that's not— yeah, that's not a guy.

It's not a guy.

What?

You can't do animal on animal.

He's a male.

He's not a man.

No, I thought about other animals.

Yeah, I did too, but it's a guy. It's, it's human.

Yeah, you can't, you can't do another—

you can't do another animals.

That would be another actually great entire amount of animals.

We wanted to do Sister Jean and then we were like, yeah, yeah, Sister Jean was like, shit.

And they were like, well, kind of none. She didn't really like—

maybe she, you know, if you're a nun, you're just kind of asexual.

Yeah.

Well, yeah, if you're not thinking tits.

Yeah.

You're just like, you're completely asexual.

It's like if you're a dude and you're a virgin, are you really a man?

No. Well, what's the—

if—

all right. So what's—

whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on. Can I ask a question? Zach, you know what I'm about to say.

I don't know.

The accusations you made last week.

What were— oh, we were talking big tits at dinner.

No, no. Yeah, when you said that I was pandering and then you guys just tried to take Harambe for a guys-on-horse draft. He's a guy. I just think that's the— the lady doth protest too much kind of situation.

That was a good pick. Okay, we would like to take with our 4th pick, uh, we're gonna take Frank the Tank Frank.

Okay, that's a good one.

That's a great pick.

Yeah, that's great.

That's a great pick.

Frank walks on a horse.

Yeah, that's good.

Great.

It's great. All right, what do we—

we gotta—

we gotta get something.

I think 7 or 11. 7, I think, is—

or 15.

Oh, 50. Oh, 15's also good.

Memes, memes.

I also like 15.

All right, Larry David. Okay, David on a horse would be very funny. Sorry, very, very upset about everything. Did you guys see Larry David, the video of him, uh, he— they lost his clubs at the American Century Championship.

Did they really?

Yeah, he was at the driving range, he was just walking around. And then Zach, to your credit, he did an interview on NBC Sports and, uh, his alarm was going off and he, like, in the middle of the interview.

I feel like—

for you, Larry, sorry, man.

You hate Smiley Kaufman's him.

He does.

He said, uh, how can you have a name like Smiley?

It's tough.

That is great.

Okay, all right, I got, I got some— it's decision time right here. Yeah, because I'm looking—

I'm a tough draft.

Here's what, here's where I'm at mentally is I'm looking at my list and I feel like I've had an okay draft, but then I look at the names that I haven't used yet and I feel like I might have a better team that I could make out of 4 names that I haven't used.

Yeah, we could easily run another honorable mention.

We definitely Yes. All right, so I'm down to 2.

We should actually do that for an upcoming Mount Rushmore where if it's so deep, we do 2 drafts and we just add the percentages.

I like that.

That'd be fun. We should pick one that's like so—

or we just do a full draft and then the draft starts last pick.

Oh, that's actually a great idea too. We should definitely do that.

No, but then you wouldn't draft your, your best guy.

I know, but he's saying if it's so deep deep. We just eliminate it, like, the best, and then, like, dig deep.

Because then you're eliminating other people's best too.

Yeah, right.

All right, my last pick, I'm gonna take Big Dom. Big Dom on a horse would be all-time.

Yeah, that's a good one.

Howdy, partner.

Yeah, that's a good pick, right?

Good pick, Max. I think pretty good pick. I think it'd be pretty good.

Howdy, partner works.

Big Dom on a horse, like, imagine Big Dom rolls up on you on a horse.

This is going to be a wide open vote. I don't really know. Yeah, everyone's got—

this could go.

And I don't really like— you just can't even—

I was thinking about doing Brandon Walker.

I've seen him on a horse. Where? I think he did a video at a rodeo when we had our bowl game.

Was he terrified?

I think so.

Yeah.

All right.

So here's who else did you guys have? We had Paul Revere.

Was—

was—

yeah, Paul Revere would have been fun for historical things. George Washington.

Andre the Giant.

Andre the Giant. We had one that—

oh, Bortles.

One that we really wanted to pick, we just couldn't get it in. Tommy Lasorda. Late stage.

Yeah, that'd be good.

Would have been good.

I had, uh, Stan Van Gundy. Yeah, it'd be hilarious on a horse, I think.

James Gandolfini.

Yeah, yeah, that painting.

Yeah, Mike Francesa.

Mike Francesa would be— oh, why did you say that?

Because I, I just thought of Stan Lee and I was like, oh my God, Francesa would Great!

Yes!

Oh yeah.

O.J., Dave Portnoy—

he loves horses.

I don't think I've ever seen David.

Good point, Hank. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen Dave on tough couple weeks for guys that drive Broncos.

I've never seen Dave on a horse, but it would be cool.

It would be. I had him on my list too.

Yeah.

The Rizzler?

The Rizzler.

You guys have the Rizzler?

No, it's a big miss now we know. Yeah, there were so many times in our pre-draft meeting where we were like, oh, we got to use this one, we got to use this one.

Rizzler would be good.

But then you get into it and it's like, there's so many good picks, you can only pick 4.

Spelled Yow, Y-O-W, by the way.

Oh, okay, that's fine. Yeah, Yow, Yow, same team.

I was trying to think of, um, like any famous baby. Be funny to put a baby, like Baby Jessica, the girl fell down the well.

Baby Jesus.

Yeah, Shirley Temple.

Yeah, I said I was trying to get him to do, uh, you mean, uh, brother? Yeah, the 2-year-old. Yes, fucking taking over. Little Terrio would have been great. Just funny visual.

Uh, I had Conan O'Brien.

I think he'd be funny with his red hair flopping around.

Um, you have the fucked up one. Well, no, in terms of coaches, I like your idea for Coach O. I think Jim Harbaugh on a horse would be all-time. I would love to see that.

That.

Yeah. Did you have the fucked up one?

Which one?

I don't want to say it.

Say Superman.

Oh yeah, yeah, Christopher Reeves.

Yeah, yeah.

RIP. Ichabod Crane.

He had a good life.

Yeah, I think that's a fictional character, right?

But no, if you see him, you're fucked, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're fucked. Yeah, that's like guys you don't want to see on horse. George Mirason was— I had Shaq, George Mirason, and Wim Wemby.

Yeah, we have Wemby, Shaq, Andre the Giant, uh, Alex Jones, Yokozuna. Yeah, he'd be good. Uh, Jokic. Jokic. Although we've seen it. Uh, Chris Farley.

Yep, he'd be funny. Andy Reid. I think he'd be funny on a horse.

Great.

Oh, Andy Reid is— Andy Reid's a miss.

That's a miss.

That's a huge miss.

Reid.

Yeah, he is a really good one.

Yeah, I had, uh, Rob Ford. Rob Ford on a horse would be great.

Yeah.

I just had Hank. I wrote Hank's name on here.

Okay.

I think that'd be funny.

Andy Reid is one of the worst ones.

Andy Reid. I'm going to be thinking about it.

Andy Reid on a horse. I'm going to—

so funny.

Reid on a horse.

I'm going to think about it.

So far, that's so funny.

Right?

The more I just think about it, the more of it— Andy Reid on a horse. That is so fucking funny.

Goddamn it. Oh, it would have been—

it's with the Hawaiian. Yeah.

And the shorts, probably.

Oh, yeah.

The shorts. Awesome to see on a horse.

The horse would probably have like a, like a Hawaiian-themed saddle.

Pissed. I'm pissed about Andy Reid. Yeah, I'm pissed you didn't take— I, I, I, I— people are going to be thinking, are going to be looking at this board and being like, how did no one take Andy Reid?

You're damn right.

Rick Majerus.

Yep, that's a good one.

It'd be pretty funny. Uh, Dickie V on a horse would be pretty funny. Screaming, I'm on a horse, baby!

Yep.

No, nothing else other than that.

Charles Barkley, because, yes, like, I want to see Charles do everything.

Yeah, Charles Barkley would be great on a horse. What would your guys' picks be if women were included? Sydney Sweeney, would that have been one?

One?

That'd be great. Yeah. Pretty good. No one else, I think, should be. It's probably a solid equestrian.

Rosa Parks, Margaret Thatcher, Rosa Parks on a horse.

What?

Helen Keller.

What?

Are you just—

what part—

are you naming all the women you know historically?

What part of the horse?

That was just Rosa Parks and Helen Keller.

What part of the horse would Rosa Parks ride on?

Why did you say—

I don't know why I said that. I want to see how deep Hank can go with, like, Hank, name as many women as you can name.

Historically.

Marie Antoinette.

Okay. Uh, Cleopatra.

Okay.

Uh, he said Cindy Sweetie and he said Rosa Parks.

Helen of Troy.

Combo, bro. I was—

well, I was trying to go that, you know, more of like historical. Uh, Helen of Troy. Okay, nice one. Amelia Earhart.

That actually sounds like a great microbrew. Amelia Aylhart.

The Bate sisters. Okay, that's a good list. That's a good—

that's a pretty good list.

Sophie Cunningham.

Yeah, sure.

Was she—

oh, was she in at the UFC?

Yep, she's ring girl.

Sure.

That was crazy.

Yeah.

All right. That was a fun Mount Rushmore. It made no sense, but I get— I agree.

It's not fun. It's not a fun Mount Rushmore. And the reason why is because I am going to wake up in the middle of the night tonight and think— I'm going to have a dream about Andy Reid on a stallion. That's going to be the funniest dream I've ever had. I'm going to wake up. I'm going to be depressed. You know how people like walked out of Avatar?

Yeah.

And they're upset that the real world isn't like that. I'm going to wake up from my dream. I'm depressed with the world because I've never seen Andy Reid actually ride a horse.

Yeah, we fucked up.

I'm going to think about Rosa Parks riding a horse.

We fucked up. We fucked up. Andy Reid should have been a pick.

Yeah.

Okay, good show, boys. By the way, shout out the Papa Hopps charity that I went to. I sang the anthem. I sang the anthem for the first time in, I think, 5 years on Friday night. It's a South Side charity, Mount Greenwood. They have a softball tournament that is just insane level of softball, but they do great work for families affected by cancer. So PapaHops.org, I believe, is the website. It was, it was awesome. PapaHops.org. I had a flyover, PFT.

What was it for?

My anthem was a helicopter.

Oh, that's sick.

Yeah.

So, you know what kind of helicopter it was?

I don't, because I was singing the anthem.

Okay.

Yeah, I should have looked up, but it was sick.

Maybe, maybe Blackhawk.

I don't know.

It was a CPD helicopter.

Okay, gotcha.

Yeah.

Okay. Any birthdays you missed?

I don't think so. Unless you guys—

I mean, you missed one on Friday. I understand that. Well, yeah, she's fat and grew up and is not as cool anymore.

Well, no, I did one birthday on Friday because we were teasing.

Yeah, but still, you could—

it was just—

you could have said it out loud.

You could have said it, you know, Mudang.

I did. I think I, I mentioned Mudang last week, didn't I?

I don't think so.

Okay. Yeah, maybe I forgot.

But actually, I— it's okay because she is not cool.

She's not cute.

Yeah, no, she's fucking fat.

Memes said that. Memes, he did.

Oh, you mentioned it when, uh, yeah, Hippo, the—

oh, oh, well, we talked about it.

Yeah, we talked about it, but that wasn't related.

Oh, so you should have even said right then.

I should have said that's the time.

That was a perfect hippo spot. Yeah, but that's old Mudang. That's cute Mudang.

Also, shout out Jessica Simpson.

Yeah, yeah.

Happy birthday.

Okay, let's do numbers.

27.

56.

We're gonna do 42 because some guy said it's his lucky number at the gas station.

Who, who hasn't gotten it? Memes, PFT, and And Colton. Colton?

No, no, I think, I think me and—

I think—

oh, Jacob.

No, Jacob's got it.

Are they coming in? Are they coming in?

Yeah, let's go 71. Yeah, they are.

56. Let's go 64.

7. 86.

80.

Go Jacob, go! 25, say it!

25, Jacob's 25.

25.

73.

73.

Did anyone get that? We got 73.

Nope, did not.

All right, one more.

Colton, what do you have?

And Colton, you haven't got it.

Colton has not got it. So yeah, it's Colton meme Memes PFD, even though I did get it, but whatever.

No, you didn't.

No, you didn't.

Don't say that, memes.

No, you didn't. No, you didn't.

I did.

Oh, zero again. That's 2 times in a week, zero.

Dang, that's pretty cool.

Zero.

Pretty cool.

Happy birthday to, uh, Haktua. Oh, Hayley Walsh.

Remember her?

Yeah. Where's she?

Probably blowing out her candles.

Mm-hmm.

I think she made a comeback.

Oh, she did. She made a lot of all-time, all-time, uh, disappearance. Remember she did that, uh, she, she scammed people on crypto and then she did to Twitter Periscope, and she's like, all right, I got to go to bed. See you guys.

I'm pretty tired now. See y'all tomorrow.

Okay.

I like that. Not enough people say I'm going to go to bed to get out of like accusations of fraud.

Okay.

Not a bad trick. So yeah, happy birthday to her.

That's the only one.

Happy birthday, Lamine Yamal. Oh, hope you score a goal on Tuesday. Multiple, multiple.

Okay. Love you guys.