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Okay, let's go. Welcome to Pardon My Take, presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, July 22nd, and what do we got, boys? Chip Kelly looks hilarious at the new Northwestern Stadium. My guy Sam Panayotovich took a picture of Chip with his helmet on, vest, like 17 microphones in front of him.
Hard hat.
Hard hat. Yeah, hard hat. Sorry, not helmet.
He looks like the most corrupt union guy of all time. Oh yeah, it looks like he's just— he's got a briefcase or a sack with a giant dollar sign behind his back in that picture.
Everyone says the boss is here. Yeah, he doesn't know how to wear the hard hat correctly. Everyone kind of laughs at him behind his back.
Northwestern has a weapon on their hands because they can just Dress Chip Kelly up in a different theme every single week, depending on who they're playing, and it's going to be gold. He looks hilarious.
But that's really the biggest story. That's where we're at in the sports calendar. That's why we have takeys on Friday, because I think after takeys, I think training camps start this weekend, and then we have MLB trade deadline. Then we'll be cooking.
LeBron is—
LeBron should be announcing right this second.
Continuing to hold the league hostage. I've gone the other way now. Now it's been such a long delay for LeBron. I hope he— I hope it's secret. Until opening night. And then it's like, which team is LeBron going to play for?
Which tunnel are you going to come out of?
Where is LeBron? And then we flash around the league and then boom, he's a Cavalier.
Yeah, I— it was, uh, I—
it's—
he's got to decide soon. Please, like, do it. Do it for us. I'd actually give you bonus points if you decide this week, LeBron.
I mean, he should. There's really nothing holding him up anymore. No, it's just— Rich Paul said it, he just has to make the decision.
So, yes, that's, that's where, that's where I'm like, you're being a real jerk, LeBron, because he's just, he's got to know already. He's like almost doing the, like when you're, when you're trying to order dinner, it's like, what do you want? What do you want? I don't know. I'll eat whatever. Oh, LeBron, I'll go to whatever. What do you want me to do? Oh, I'll go. I'll do whatever. Miami.
All right.
I wasn't really thinking Miami. Philly. No, I don't really. Just fucking say it then.
Can he do more?
Tell us.
Can you do multiple? Can he like start the season in Miami and be like, yeah, you know, that was kind of cool, but Cleveland's pretty good, so I'm going to quit and come back.
Maybe we also have like a long— we're getting a CVS receipt of people predicting that LeBron is going to decide on a certain day and then him not doing it. Yeah, like there's just somebody every single day. It's like, today's the day. I'm going to put my reputation on it. So didn't happen.
Somebody— I almost feel like he's waiting on something. I know that he said that he doesn't have a decision made, or I guess Rich Paul said there's no decision that's been made yet, but there's got to be something that he's waiting on. Yeah, it's either a trade package to get AD. That's a possibility. It could be— I heard somebody speculate that he needs to tell Fanatics first so that he can announce his jersey on sale. Yeah, the second he makes his decision, that way he sells out immediately. But it feels like he has to know nothing's going to change. The same information about which team you want to go to that existed last week is still in that same spot today.
Maybe he's just waiting to see what school his daughter gets into.
That could be it.
Zach, assignment for you starting today. I would like you to tweet every single morning, today is the day that I'm hearing reports. Today is the day that LeBron is making his decision.
Okay.
And then when he does make it, we will delete all the other ones and then we'll signal boost the one that you got right.
I can do that.
So do it right now.
Start this morning or right now? Right now.
Right now. Right. Right this second. He's going to do it. At least we get a little dog in the fight.
Today's the day. It's got to be today.
Say I'm hearing reports. This would be very funny if you ended up being right and we had to retape the beginning of the show.
Which team do you think would be the best team? Like, I'm saying, I don't care. The biggest threat to, like, win, win the championship.
Philly.
You think?
Yeah.
No, no.
I don't know. Warriors got their own.
So Golden State, bro.
You think emojis or no emojis?
Maybe phone emoji.
Okay. That's business-wise. I get that.
Fax emoji. Basketball emoji.
Siren emoji to start.
Yes. Siren emojis.
And then all caps breaking or developing. I like developing.
Yes.
And then maybe wine emoji.
You think the Warriors would be a better chance in the West?
Yeah.
The East is stacked.
I think you're just saying this because you don't want to go to Philly.
Maybe.
Yeah, I think Hank's right.
He's not going to Philly.
Philly is the best chance to win a title this year.
He's not going to Philly.
Timberwolves?
Yeah, where's the Timberwolves smoke coming from? She said he played with Anthony Davis on the US team. There's smoke coming from a lot of guys. Andy Edwards, sorry.
There's a lot of smoke from a lot of places. Miami would be interesting, him and Giannis and Bam. Big 3.
I— he just got to decide. He's being a jerk about it. What, Zach, did you tweet it?
It's going up.
He forgot the developing.
You forgot the developing. Max is spell checking it.
Good. We got our best guy on it.
Okay.
We also had, I guess, the other big news is Aaron Rodgers is back with his family, which, yeah, like, no bullshit. I actually smiled when I saw this because life's too short and it is pretty cool that he was He— it seems like whatever issues he had with his, you know, brother, mother, father, whatever it may be, it seems like they're back on good, good terms.
That is good to see. And I read the article about it and it sounds like they started to mend fences in Tahoe a couple of years ago.
Okay.
And his dad was there and they said hi to each other and they got along. And then I guess he was going back for his High School Hall of Fame induction, which— that's kind of ridiculous that Aaron Rodgers wasn't in his high school.
What more did he have to do?
I don't know. But his coach was like, yeah, you should, you should make things right. And so, yeah, the pictures, it's very cool. I'm happy for him.
I am too.
His in-laws were in the picture too.
Yeah, it's what?
John Cena too.
Oh yeah.
You're making a joke.
Yeah, yeah.
I was trying to be sentimental about the moment.
I did.
I did.
I love the fact that he's back on good terms with his parents. I think that's awesome.
Yeah.
So life's too short to hold these grudges. You never know when you're going to last talk to someone. But yeah, it is. It does speak to where we're at in the sports calendar that that did feel like it consumed all of social media yesterday.
That's good timing on Aaron Rodgers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then ESPN is firing people again, which happens a lot, which sucks.
Yeah.
Including Ryan Clark got fired mid-show.
Ryan Clark did lead the league in weird apologies last year.
He did. He had a tough year. I think the Schrager dust-up was all-time weird moment that everyone was like, dude, what is going on?
Yeah. He had a lot of weird moments last year. And then to get fired mid-show, I guess, is not the best way to go out. Well, but I mean, it's better. What would you do if you were let go in the middle of a show? Would you come back and finish the show?
No.
Fuck no. Yes, hockey player would.
So the story goes, I think Outkick had it. They emailed ESPN PR being like, hey, we're going to give you an hour to respond. We think you're going to fire Ryan Clark. ESPN PR then was like, Ryan Clark, we're going to fire you. We just want to tell you now because we don't want you to learn online. You don't have to finish this show. And then they apparently went and told The Athletic and The Athletic ran with it. Here's my big thing. ESPN, you knew you were going to fire Ryan Clark for a while, I would assume, right?
I would think so.
Why would you make him work that show right, like, mere hours before you fire him? Yeah, that's the problem. ESPN was like, oh yeah, we're firing him on Tuesday morning at 7 a.m. We're going to make him work 4 to 7 p.m. on Monday. Is there one fucking show off?
Is there ever a good time? Like, when would you let him know?
No, no, I— the whole firing thing is very tough. I'm not— I'm not disagreeing with that. It's always whenever this comes up and people like, how could you fire over email? That's crazy. It's like, it's very difficult to fire a lot of people at the same time. I get all of that. I'm saying, you know, you're firing him on Tuesday. Don't have him work on Monday. It's easy to just say you're not on ESPN, you're on NFL Live today, not on the schedule. Right. You know, I mean, like, just in the off chance this would happen, you don't want him on air.
Yeah, it is. It's very awkward that it happened in the middle of a show. Say something nice about Ryan Clark. He always looked like he was very comfortable. He had very comfortable looking hoodies, his sweatshirts on his podcast. Looked like I could— if I put one on, I would just fall asleep.
The cuts on his podcast make it seem really serious all the time.
Yeah.
And I appreciate that. Like when they're just like— and they just cut to that and they just cut to that and it's like really close. There's like always a camera that feels like it's right, right here, right behind his shoulder when he's about to say something super serious.
Yeah.
Like the thing you guys don't understand about athletes is they have to pay taxes too.
That's been my new big— the one thing I learned this offseason is that athletes pay taxes. It's, it's— we got to do a show where we just strictly interview athletes about how much tax comes out of their paycheck.
It's finally reached a critical mass where people are like, hey, we get it, guys. Yeah, we're not going to cry for you when you, when you get on a podcast, you say, actually, $100 million is not that much money.
Well, most people don't pay taxes, but athletes, that's the job that you have to pay tax and agents fees.
That's what Pat McAfee should do.
What?
He should go on a podcast and be like, actually, $60 million a year is not that much.
Yeah, it's not that much. Yeah.
I would love if you're an athlete and you, you were shocked the first time you saw your paycheck, come on part of my take and talk to us about that experience.
Yeah.
Because it sounds like it's, that's crazy. Cause like what could ever prepare anybody for having taxes taken out?
It would actually be great if we got an athlete interview that was like, you know, like how have you managed your money? And they're just like, I'll tell you a secret. I don't pay taxes.
Yeah.
It really, really helps keep a lot of your money in your bank account.
Yeah.
Wesley Snipes, he was that way.
Yeah, he was. It worked out for him. Oh, are you getting a little buzz on this? Oh no. Getting, getting no buzz.
No traction on the dolphin.
Got 44 likes, 2 retweets, and 5 replies.
Somebody called you the R-word in the replies.
Oh, that was— come on. Yeah, that's really mean.
That's very mean. Should not do that.
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I was going to say there's one more funny thing that it's, this is truly the dead part of the sports calendar to the point where I'm talking about a Major League Baseball red carpet walk. Did you see Bryce Harper and his answer, Max?
What?
I think he's hilarious. I think the answer to what he had— he might be joking about this.
Life's eternal question.
I think it was Ben Verlander that was doing like interviews on the red carpet at the All-Star Game and they were asking—
he survived Shohei Ohtani.
You're so sexy.
He did. It's a funny video, Max. He said, when was the Declaration of Independence signed? And then Bryce Harper goes, 1775. And Ben Verlander goes, no, sorry, 1776. And Bryce goes, oh shit, I missed it by a day.
Mm.
That is—
I think he's a funny guy.
That's the biggest nothing story of all time.
I think it's a funny— I think it's a funny video.
Let's, let's, let's dive into the other part of this. PFT, are you obsessed with Bryce Harper?
I'm not obsessed with Bryce Harper.
Now, the accusation has been lobbed your way.
Yeah. No, I don't think about it.
Like, you defend yourself.
Don't think about it. The best day of my sports fandom as a Nats fan was when Bryce left.
That's fair.
Yeah.
So, Max, why would you say he's obsessed with Bryce Harper?
Bryce Harper plays for the Philadelphia Phillies. I'm a fan of the Philadelphia Phillies.
I love when you say Philadelphia Phillies because it sounds like you actually have meatballs in your mouth. Philadelphia.
I'm a fan of Fluffy Phillies.
PFT talks about Bryce Harper significantly more than I talk about Bryce Harper.
He's my guy. Sounds like PFT is more of a fan of Philadelphia Phillies.
That's not—
I'm just saying.
No, here's what I saw.
I saw Fluffy Philly being interviewed about the city, Fluffy, and his answer was very funny. And so I wanted to shine some light on that. I think he's a funny guy. In fact, Max, you're— there's something weird about, about your defense of Bryce Harper, because even when I compliment him, I, I took his side in the toothpaste thing.
Yeah, but Max has to defend any phone.
This is a video with 130 likes.
That's tough. Yeah, now this is a good counterpoint. We need the scoreboard going right now. And Max will defend Phil for Philly anytime.
Yeah, but it's not like this is some, you know, massively viral video.
No, it's, it's bits. Bits got 84,000 views after, uh, what, 7 hours, 6 hours?
James Wood got it right.
Is he on?
He's not Fluffy Philly. Maybe, maybe sometime. People are saying that the Nats aren't going to extend him, which I wouldn't be shocked on. But, um, Trey Turner. How about Trey Turner?
Yeah, that's a sicko video that you found, PFT.
Yeah, it's pretty funny. It came across my desk. What can I say?
Yeah.
And you're going to defend your flaws.
You guys are making it worse.
Listen, LeBron is about to go to the City of Fluffy.
Yeah, he's going to fall for a 76er.
Philadelphia 76er.
Yeah, Philadelphia 75er.
Probably go to some fall for fall escapes. Hank. Yeah. We've known each other a long time.
We have.
You can shoot me straight.
I can.
You're one of the only people who can really shoot me straight. Tell me the truth. Did I wave too much at the 50/50 night?
I thought you were doing a bit.
Well, I didn't know I was on camera that long.
Yeah, you got, you got the, you got the 50/50 check. We were there. There was a rain delay. Like, it was like a, like it got, the game got pushed back like 40 minutes. So you were on the field before the game, before it got delayed, and then it got pushed back. And then when you came back on the field, it seemed like they were a little behind on the schedule. So I was watching you standing in front of the camera. You waved for like 10 minutes straight.
Oh man.
Before the camera came on.
Yeah, it was practicing.
And then the camera came on and you were— I thought, I didn't know if you were doing that on purpose.
No, it was bad, man. I, uh, I didn't know I was on camera that long. So yeah, the Cubs had me out cuz I, I got the big check finally from the 50/50 that I won last year. By the way, the, the, the rain delay that there was no rain for, I feel like that might have been an inside job because Renee— and I love her, she's the one who sold me, uh, the winning ticket. She always comes to my seats and sells me tickets. I love Renee, she's absolute salt of the earth, best. But Renee and I were sitting in the seats waiting to go on the field and they're like, oh, we're delayed for 30 minutes. I just kept on turning to Renee after like 3— every 3 minutes I'd be like, all right, give me another Hit me again. Hit me again. And she just had her machine just running. But yeah, the waving was too much. I am stupid. And the, the woman behind the camera was like, hey, I'm gonna wave at you guys when you go on the Jumbotron so you know you're on. And I just thought that meant I should wave back to her.
And I did for 30 seconds.
It was nice.
You were—
you gave everybody in the crowd a chance to look at the screen and then you were waving at everybody in attendance. I don't have a problem with it.
No idea I was on the Jumbotron. You know, the dead face, kind of scary smile. Yeah, not even smiling, just waving.
And then you slowly started to smile, which— yeah, I don't know if that makes it better or worse.
Yeah, creepy. It's creepy.
You know what it was? The wave isn't the problem. I think it's the wave and the look directly into the camera. Yeah, I think if you've been looking around like at every seat in the stadium—
I should have—
doing a wave, that's, that's fine.
This—
it's one of the funniest videos I've ever seen.
Yeah, the problem was too, I I, I consciously was like, don't look back at the Jumbotron because, you know, whenever you're on a Jumbotron, your brain can't compute and then you just stare at the Jumbotron, not at the camera.
Point at yourself, right?
So I was like locked in waving at this woman behind the camera. But shout out to Cubs Charities for having us out. We talked about it last year, but Lost Boys, great organization, does youth baseball in South Shore, Chicago. Levante is the man and I donate all the money and then some to it. And I'm also telling Tom Ricketts, let's, let's match. So match it.
I need to donate to them. I said on last show I got caught up in the, in the charity donation.
Yeah.
So it's Lost Boys.
Lost Boys Inc. I think is Lost Boys Inc. is the actual website.
Okay.
It was very fun, though. Zach, you were walking around with me. They also did not— you tell it. Let me get the actual. Zach, how do you think I did selling tickets? It's lostboysinc.org is the website.
I think it went well. I think you were ripping around. Guys were excited. People were buying tickets.
Do you think I charity shamed a little?
You weren't taking no for an answer. That's sure.
I heard you charity shamed a troop.
I might have charity shamed a troop, but I did thank him for his service first. I said, thank you for your service. Do you like charity? And he said, I'm not buying anything. I'm like, well, turns out you don't like charity.
I think I may have heard, do you hate the kids at one point?
Yeah. No, I listen, I could sell a raffle ticket and then they were—
it was instant to the pocket.
Yeah.
So there was that one guy who's like, hey, I just walked up to a guy. I was like, people around Wrigley are saying you don't like charity. And he's like, what are you talking about? I was like, are you going to buy a ticket? He's like, no. And I was like, okay, so I'm going to—
people are—
the people are right. You don't.
Stephen Chey texted me in a way that I thought I might have won the 50/50 raffle because he's like, did you win? And the text made it seem like he was like one number off. And we were sitting next to each other. We bought tickets right next to each other. Not even close.
Yeah, no, like it wasn't even—
it wasn't even remotely close. But when I saw it, I was like, oh my God, like, yeah, does this mean I'm one number off? Maybe like if I woke up and saw I won the 50/50 raffle. Not literally. The second number was off.
Wasn't even close. Yeah, he did the same with me. He's like, hey, did you win?
Because like, I know how to check that.
Like, Yeah, it was a tough Cubs loss, but it was, it was a fun night. And you got to see— did you, Memes, did you doctor that photo of me and Kittle? Yeah, I made him smaller. OK, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, yeah. At first I was like, what the hell happened? Am I that— am I that big?
He made him PFT size.
Yeah.
Yeah. And he has glasses and long hair.
He looks good. He looks good.
He's bouncing.
Every guy should be 5 foot 8, having the best time.
I love that dude.
I thought about going to slap him, but then I got kind of scared.
Yeah, I forgot. That would be a bad idea.
I forgot to tell you, like, he was—
there was like a line of people, like, taking pictures with him. And I was like, what if I just got in this line, like, kind of pretended like I was a fan and then just slapped his head?
I forgot to tell you this, Hank.
But like, then I was like, I don't got a problem. The last person that I think I want an ongoing, like, physical beat is Kittle.
Oh yeah, Kittle's got a problem. I think he's addicted to telling people to hit other people. This was like 2 years ago. My buddy Paddy from Scotland was overseas visiting here. He's a massive Niners fan. I hit up Kittle. I was like, hey, can you give a shout out to my buddy Paddy? He's been a fan for years. He loves you, blah, blah, blah. Kittle sends him a video and Paddy watches the video, puts the speaker up to his head, and about 2 seconds after he's done, he comes over to me and hits me in my nuts. Yeah, like full-on nut shot. I was like, what the fuck was that? He's like, I'm sorry, you told me to do it. And I listened back. He's like, Paddy, you're the man. Hit PFT in his nuts as soon as you're done listening to this video. He's got— he's got a problem instigating violence.
Yeah.
Human body craves contact and no one's going to do anything about it.
Never.
No, no. But Shane, I think— is Shane putting that in the PMTV? The, the 50/50, the video he did yesterday? Max, I'm talking to you. Yeah.
Producer.
I don't know where that's going.
Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That'll fit.
That's it. Okay.
PMTV.
Yes.
Check it out.
It's good. I don't know.
I didn't know.
I, you know, unless Dom has different ideas, Shane was in for Stella Blue.
Shane was a beast. He was, he was wearing a sweatshirt in 85-degree muggy weather, and I've never seen anything like it. He was just like, what are you doing, Shane? He was like, you look like a UFC fighter trying to cut weight, just chasing me around.
Wrigley.
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Hank.
My hot seat was ESPN. We already talked about that, I guess. I mean, this one's kind of a non-story, but it was making the rounds today. You mean Lamar's girlfriend's ex-boyfriend?
Wait, girlfriend's ex-boyfriend?
There was, there was like internet people that, that were doing some research and saw that she, the girl that was with him after he won the World Cup, may have been in a relationship like 4 months ago.
So could be alleged.
Could, could not even be true. But that— I just, I just felt for the guy. Maybe, maybe, maybe the worst case scenario.
Wait, fell for who?
The ex-boyfriend?
Yeah.
Who was dating a girl for 5 years, allegedly.
And then—
and she popped up at the World Cup.
Yeah.
Yeah, that sucks.
What can you do though? Like, Jamal wins the World Cup and it's like, I'm powerless to stop this.
But yeah, that, that, that was just tough to see. Felt, felt for the guy.
Yeah, I think you just have to like go around telling people like, yeah, I got beaten by Lamine Yamal. But like, I'm also— that also means I'm in the league with Lamine Yamal.
True.
Yeah.
You're like, I'm dating in that league.
You're close enough to be within upgrade status, upgrade reach of—
right.
You mean Lamal. He's one step better. That ain't bad. Also, that's probably pretty attractive for girls to know that like, you date this guy.
Yeah.
All of a sudden you could— you two could be I can make a star. Yeah, yeah. Cucurella, he's out there single.
Yep, true.
And then my cool throne, being on the phone with the president.
Yeah, this is so fucking funny.
Bryson, which I thought this was like central, like a golf central, like when it came out because it was just, you know, obviously that, that story played out for 2 straight days at the Open with the, with the penalty. The ruling, him going back, talking to officials. This came out like must have been late Sunday night after we recorded on Monday morning that during that whole like 4-hour process, Bryson said he was trying to get on the phone with the president to help overrule the penalty.
I, I wish I know.
I know that like, listen, we don't talk politics on this show. The fact that like he actually thought that would work is so funny to be like, he's like, Trump is just not going to be a get out of jail free for everyone in sports because of Balogun. Didn't work for Tiger. No. Yeah, I know. But like Balogun, I think they're thinking like, it's more Tigers. Obviously, I'm on the phone. It's very funny. But the Balogun thing set the precedent of he might be able to get involved and save me.
Yeah, but the FIFA is the most corrupt, rigged organization.
So that was part of it too.
That's one way it could work.
And the I think the block might be too hot right now. I think that Bryson— God bless him, I wish that Bryson had actually done this. I wish he had gotten on the phone. What would Trump have said? Nothing. He gets— it's the RNA, so he has no pull.
We're bringing our boys home.
Yeah, he's got no pull over there. I mean, he could threaten to like tax Great Britain. Yeah, if you don't let Bryson play like that, that might be something that happens. But if it was like the PGA Championship, I'd say a higher possibility that it might work if it was a tournament in the United States where maybe it was at one of his courses, like, course. Yeah.
And shutting the whole thing down.
But like, if you, you can't pull this at the Open, you probably can't pull it at the Masters because they don't give a fuck at the Masters. But goddamn it, I wish that Bryson actually done this because the flowchart in his mind, his— here's where he was at mentally.
I'll quit.
The options were, I'm going to call the president. If I don't call the president, then I'll just quit. Yeah. And those are— that's the flowchart that I'm going through. And when I get my bluff called on both those, then I'll just say, fuck it, and I'll play anyways.
This is like the final boss of my dad's lawyer.
Yeah, my dad. Yeah, I'm going to call the president. And he has done videos with him. So I think he probably has Trump's phone.
Oh, definitely. He definitely could have called him like, hey, hang on, this is Donald Trump.
You still want to do—
Yeah. And he's really mad at you. Just so you guys know, he disagrees as well. And he's the president of the United States of America.
I just— I wish he had done it. And it really does go to show you, Bryson squandered what could have been an all-time moment if he had just, like, taken the 2-stroke penalty and then gone out there, played really good, and not done all this stuff.
Just is incapable. He's incapable of having, like, normal human interactions. Yeah, I wish he had called. That would have— Do you think he threatened it?
He did.
No, no, I know he—
he—
He said he was trying to, but do you think he said, I'm going to call the president? Yeah.
Yes. Yes. Oh yeah. I mean, if you're a loser, if you're mad enough to be like, well, I'll just— I won't play. Yeah. Like, yeah, that's— he's—
oh, you want me to call? I got him right here. He basically is doing like when I, when I tell my kids, like, I'm going to call the police if you don't go to bed. Like, like, I'm going to call the president. I'm going to do it right now. I'm dialing right now.
I think he definitely threatened it to him. Yeah. The funniest outcome would be if Trump didn't pick up the call.
Yeah.
If you saw Bryson was calling, I don't have time for this guy's shit.
If he like deliberately screened it where you could, you know, when you call and you can tell someone like hits the silence on you.
Yeah. Rings.
Mid-ring.
Yeah.
That would be good.
What would— because I feel like Trump could have— there were a couple of levers he could have pulled. He could have said like, yeah, I'll tariff, I'll put— I'll slap a tariff on your ass.
I think he would have tried to say like, I'll bring all of the American players home.
Or he could have said like, I think, I think they used to do the Open at one of his courses over there and they stopped there, but they already stopped. Yeah, like that already. They took him out of the rotation like 2016.
What if he was like, hey, you got— if you guys do this, I'm going to drop a billion golf balls on Royal Birkdale tomorrow. Then what are you going to do?
Send a B-2 overhead?
What are you going to do when we drop all these golf balls?
He could have threatened to take away like Tyrell Hatton's passport and his visa. Like, no British players will be allowed back in the United States.
Oh, man. Okay, good. How's he cool? You got another one?
I just—
Red Sox, 14 in a row.
Yeah, red hot. Crazy.
Red hot. Crazy. All-Star break didn't slow them down. Back in, you know, they're over .500 trending.
Yeah, big time. 14 in a row is nuts.
One away from the record.
Their record. Yeah.
I mean, it's hard to win. Like, it's hard to win 6 in a row in baseball.
So, yeah, All-Star break is usually like, you know, That'll stop a streak.
But currently the last— holding the last wildcard spot in the AL.
Congrats on the wildcard.
Thank you.
Are you guys buying?
Max, congrats on the wildcard.
Big Cat, congrats on the wildcard.
Thank you.
Hey, well, that's just us three.
Just you three.
Nasser won out.
That one out. Uh, congrats on—
there are like 4 teams. Yeah, wait, what?
He's a Rays fan.
Rays?
Oh yeah, Rays. Yeah, congrats.
Shout out.
But he actually isn't because he hasn't decided if he wants to get into baseball or not.
Also true. On the fence.
It's not Rays or someone else. It's just baseball or nothing.
In or out.
Like he's not— he has not declared that he's going to enjoy baseball yet.
It's creeping up. Yesterday was a great time.
Yeah, he had a great time.
Great time.
Did you guys stay for—
when you left? The game's over.
Oh, you stayed the whole way, Mames. You stay with Zach?
I was out after the 6th inning.
Yeah, I stayed the whole game and I was so mad at myself at the end because I was like, that was, that was stupid. Like, how do you not get a ball? 2 bases loaded, 2 out or 1 out, you get a ball in the air. Just get a fucking ball in the air.
It was a good wind night too.
Yeah, it was.
Just get a fucking ball.
It was solid.
All right, Pifty, your hot sequel.
My hot seat is the NFL because Nick Sirianni has discovered ChatGPT.
Yeah.
So Sirianni, they did an article about him in The Athletic.
You're obsessed with Sirianni.
Yeah, I know.
He's obsessed with Philadelphia.
Yeah, with the city of Philadelphia. Sirianni's discovered ChatGPT. He said that he used it to look up like motivational storylines. And then the article became like Nick Sirianni has become a one-man AI expert this offseason. So you better watch out, rest of the NFL. I do think that it used to be in the NFL that a head coach would have a guy that was like, he just looked at like a computer, like, this is my ChatGPT guy, or this guy will look stuff up for me online. Sirianni might be doing— he might be getting too hands-on with the technology. Like when Harbaugh hired McDaniel, he's probably like, yeah, this guy's my ChatGPT guy. If I need something looked up, I'm just going to ask him. Yeah, he's going to take care of that for me.
This is the most basic form. Of technology.
What?
ChatGPT. We're calling him like a master of technology because he learned about ChatGPT like 5 years after.
I'm being sarcastic, Max.
Yeah.
I'm defensive.
Mm-hmm.
That's fair.
Yeah.
No, this is looking up ChatGPT to be like, yeah, can you guys motivate the team? Is that's a problem.
That's what he's doing. My problem is he's too far down in the weeds.
No, he's getting stories.
Yeah, yeah.
A head coach should be like, hey, can somebody do that thing on the computer with the AI thing that you guys use?
Yeah.
And tell me what I can do about this.
Hit your AI button.
Yeah. Press the AI button. Get the nerd in here. Yeah, I got a question for him.
Do your AI button. Let me know. Let me know what the Cowboys are up to.
You might have also like— he might— he likes to pander a little bit, Sirianni.
A little bit.
He might have just looked—
wait, no, Sirianni.
He might have just looked up like, what are the most popular things in Philly? And the answer was AI. And he was like, okay, got it. I'll start to use ChatGPT.
Yeah, that is exactly what happened.
That might be it too.
It was like cheesesteaks, Rocky, AI.
Yep.
And he got a little confused.
And then my cool throne is Roger Goodell.
Well, are you looking this story up? Do some research, Max. Get back to us. Get back to some facts. I would like you to come back with facts on Nick Sirianni's ChatGPT use.
My cool throne is Roger Goodell because the NFL is giving him an extension. He's going to be around for a while. It's going to be like $40 million a year and he's going to be commissioner for a long time. So anyone that wanted to— wanted him to retire, doesn't look like it's going to happen. Congratulations to Roger Goodell. You've done it. Another finesse job. $40 million a year is insane.
But I—
the NFL is doing pretty good right now.
I don't like saying these words because I know that there's a lot of people who hate his guts. He is, and I don't like Roger Goodell. He's objectively very good at his job because his job is to make the most money for the NFL and be a human punching bag so that you're never mad at owners, you're mad at Roger Goodell. And he checks both those boxes every time.
His job is to coordinate a massive orgy of brands and sponsorships, ensure that nobody steps on toes, ensures that everybody leaves happy.
Everyone makes a shitload of money and doesn't— the— you can push the fans to the limit and the players' bodies to the limit, just make the most amount of money while pushing them to the limit and then go home happy. And he does. He does that well.
And his job is also to make sure that they make a little bit more money than they did the previous year. Yeah, because you can't— you can't make any big jumps in revenue because then people are going to complain about. But if you have like, let's say hypothetically, you have one team that plays once a year in London You can't have every team play over. You can have 10 international games next year, but you can add a new one year by year. And in these gradual increments, people won't get that upset about it. And his job is also to talk like a lawyer without having a law degree, making him less accountable for the things that he actually says. Yes, because he does not have a law degree.
Right.
So he can always plead ignorance about it. And he does a great job of all of it.
Yeah.
Make sure that you can Jerry Jones is going to undress you in front of a bunch of other rich men. You got to just be able to take it. And then guess what? You get $40 million at the end of the year.
Yeah.
I don't know who else— like, if there was any competition, I don't know how you throw your hat in the ring to, like, run against Roger Goodell for the job of commissioner.
No, I don't think— I don't think there's anything. He's got probably— he's got fucking the sweetest job. Just watches football.
In the chair.
Yeah, in the chair.
Awesome chair.
Uh, Max, this is the biggest nothing story in the history of The Athletic, probably. Okay, this is July 20th story where Zach Berman just had a conversation with, yeah, Nick Sirianni, and he was like, and he was like, oh, guess what I learned? I learned that you can look up things on the internet to learn more stories, which is just what he did.
Yeah, it is the, the the bleakest time in the sports.
And it's just PFT is like, let me just—
I think he's got Philadelphia.
He only just— he only looks at Philadelphia.
He probably has an AI, uh, robot set up for Philadelphia news.
What just— what just happened in Philadelphia? What can I—
Max, I didn't write this story. I'm sorry, I didn't write the story. Somebody else—
but you're like, let me bring this nothing— the, the most nothing story.
It's the biggest NFL story of the day.
That can't be true.
We could talk about Jacoby Brissett's contract.
Yeah, it's probably big.
There's literally nothing going on. I thought it was funny that they wrote an article about Nick Sirianni using AI.
Dolphins and All-Pro linebacker Brooks reach $51 million extension. Jordan Brooks.
It'd be nice if we could talk about the City of Fluffy without everyone getting all up in arms about it.
No, because when you bring up Fluffy—
I didn't even say anything.
No, you didn't say anything.
You guys asked for my— You guys asked for my opinion. I gave you my opinion.
Good opinion.
All right. But not the biggest news story of the day. Uh, Finn's All-Pro linebacker Brooks reached $51.3 million extension.
That's huge. Make a graphic for it.
Yeah, dude. Nick Sirianni. How about Nick Sirianni looks up stories on internet?
That one would actually do way better.
Yeah, it would.
That's— that graphic would go hard.
Well, that's because it's— it's trolling me.
He's got facts there, facts.
Max, now you're finally kind of starting to understand the beginning of—
All right.
Of the nature of the show.
You got a fetish. All right. I'll talk to him about it after. My hot seat is Hank. You play a ladyboy sport.
What sport?
Golf.
Sean Strickland ranked his most masculine sports in order from being a man to being a ladyboy. Golf came in second to last.
What? What's the top? Top to bottom?
MMA.
That's number 1.
Kickboxing, boxing, wrestling, rugby, hockey, football, baseball. Sports sucks though. You put a note on that. Okay.
But also masculine. Yeah, but it still sucks.
Lacrosse, tennis, soccer, tennis, golf, swimming.
Swimming is in last place.
Last place.
Why swimming?
Baseball sucks though. Okay, dude, I don't know, but you got to— you got to do something about this.
I mean, listen, it's—
who should be ahead of tennis? Tennis. Okay, I agree with that. But swimming should be ahead of both of you. So it's way harder.
Yeah, swimming's hard.
So it's so hard. It should be golf, tennis.
Swimming is hard, but I think golf might be last. I'm starting to see his point. You don't touch anybody else. No contact.
What about when you tag your—
you don't tag, you don't touch in swimming. You touch the wall.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, golf's golf. All those other sports are like competitions versus other teams, other people's. Golf is really just, you know, you're playing versus yourself.
Yeah.
So I kind of see where he's coming from. There's no— even tennis, you could— if you get hit with like a serve, those, those are going fast.
Yeah, they are pretty athletic.
It sounds like this guy just made a list of sports in which you're spending more of your time, like, hugging another guy.
That's true.
And then that is the most masculine.
And sports that he— it turns out he's really good at the ones that he listed at the top.
That's true. Yeah.
Yeah.
I'd imagine he doesn't have, like, a great backhand.
Probably not in tennis.
All right.
And then my cool throne is Detroit Tiger center fielder James Outman. I, being at the game last night, I'll be fully transparent. I watched the Cubs. I don't watch any other teams. How the hell did this guy make it to the major league baseball? His name is James Outman. Yeah, it is probably the most impressive thing that's ever taken place. James Outman.
Mm-hmm.
He's incredible. So shout out James Outman. I mean, he stinks. He gets a lot of outs.
It might be a boy named batting .153, boy named Sue situation where you had to be extra good because your name was Altman.
But James Altman, shout out. I don't like— there's, you know, there's certain names that in the history of sports, like Chris Blewett, Kenny Pickett, they just like, that can't— you can't work.
Got to be a pitcher.
Yeah.
You get out. Altman is an awesome name for a closer or something.
Yeah.
He's the opposite of Homer Bailey. Homer Bailey should have been a hitter.
Yep.
Dickard, the kicker.
That's, that's just a good name. Yeah, that's a little tough though.
No more names.
Yeah.
Blewett, the kicker.
Yeah.
Blewett.
Like Blewett. Or like there's a basketball player, Frank Brakowski. What are you wishing you had at max? Listen, he didn't get it. He didn't get what we were doing.
That's fine. Oh, we're good. That was—
we're good.
What? Hey, be like a golfer named Bogey.
No. What's his name? Adam Shank. Yeah, is that a golfer?
I don't know, search it.
I think it's S-C-H-E-N-K, and I only know this because I was trying to find more of them last night, and I think I saw that one. Yep, Adam Shank. That's a brutal name for a golfer. So yeah, you can— I mean, James Altman, I was just— every time he came up I think he got out every single time. And the Tigers fan sitting in front of us like, yeah, this guy gets out a lot.
That's tough. Yes, that's tough. Yeah.
I was just blown away. And like when you're in middle school, they'd be like, hey, guess what? Baseball's not for you. You're a pitcher. You're an outman. You make a lot of outmans.
Or an umpire. Yeah, be a great umpire.
That would be cool. That would be cool.
James Outman, a gay umpire.
Yeah, that'd be really cool.
That's the outman.
Yeah.
There he is. He's an umpire judging people if they're gay or not.
Yeah.
Walking around bar to bar.
Yeah.
The Outman.
Yeah.
Safe.
You're out. All right, Zach, that's a ball.
My, my hot seat this week is going to be Alex Bregman. Cubs had a home game. We had baseball guys talking about the winds blowing out. It's 51-49 night. I mean, it's buzzing. And then I'm like, friend of the program, friend of the program, great guy.
I'm sure I saw him before. You were standing right next to me.
Great friend of the program.
Yeah, super kind guy.
But the seat was just— respect— the seat was hot. Respectfully, we're just talking ball.
Seiya should have gotten the ball in the air before him too.
Yeah. All things considered, you know, bases loaded, 5-5, and then the count 3-0, and then it went downhill.
Well, I mean, he had to take— he had to take the— he had to take one strike.
Second, you gotta watch one.
Second strike was good pitch. Third strike, you can't stand there and with your, with your bat on your shoulder, he's a little inside, probably shouldn't have swung, but what are you gonna do? Yeah, it sucked. All right, Zach, it sucked.
It did.
It did.
He's been struggling this year, be fair, and I want him to be good again. And I think he has gotten hot a little bit. Last night sucked.
It did. Last night was hot.
Did you have a bet on him or something?
No, I just, I I wanted to see this.
I just wanted to specifically pick out Bregman.
I just— I saw— I look, I was there, I saw it. I didn't know how to feel. It was a hot seat.
Yeah. No, it's— it hasn't been— he's—
he could have something.
He hasn't had a great season.
He could have so many cool throws coming, though. It was just one game.
We're going to bounce back. We're going to bounce back.
One game.
Friend of the program.
Friend of the program. Great guy.
I can't wait for him to come to the office.
Swing on Bregman.
And I'll say, hey, there's the guy who's put you on the hot seat.
Just want you to do better.
Yeah.
Bregman was the guy that he really got boned by the K-zone. By the measurements when everyone had to do the tail of the tape. Yeah, he was a reverse Zach. Yeah, he lost like 3 inches.
I guess I can flip it and reverse it. I'll put myself in the hot seat real quick.
All right, Missy.
I was rooting for the Cubs because it was a home game. And so one of the guys who's up to bat ended up being Riley Green. I called him a bum because I wanted the Cubs to win. And then they're like, oh, he's on your Dingers Only team. So I'll reverse it.
I'll take credit for that.
Yeah.
I called out, said you're a bum. And then, yeah, he's on my team, so that's on me. And then, uh, cool throne, 8th innings. Okay, 8th innings, because we got a, we got a double dugout clearance in the Yankees-Pirates game. This is how you build the sport of baseball. We need more of this. Guys are swinging. There should be— this should be the limited amount of times guys get into a fight in a baseball stadium.
You know what, Zach? I agree.
Boxes.
I think, like, in hockey, it's part of the game. It's part of the culture. If baseball knew what they were doing, they would make June, July, and maybe the first 2 weeks of August like hockey rules for fights.
Yeah.
Just, or just do a weekly fight night where it's like, no, if you decide to fight, there will be no suspensions, no nothing. So like Wednesday nights, you can fight if you want to. You don't have to fight. Don't force it. But this is the night that you can fight with no penalties.
Yeah.
Now, would be so— I mean, people would tune in.
The guys who were on the fence would be in.
Yeah.
A lot of other guys.
So you're, you're saying you're in if more baseball starts to fight, you're in.
If guys start swinging like this all the time, all the way in. Okay.
All right.
Baseball enforcers, you know, how do we feel about that? You start bringing some guys on just because they're huge.
Yeah. Baseball, you've heard his demands. Come, come correct.
Send out some 6'5", 285 guys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, good hot seat, cool throne. Let's do our Mount Rushmore, brought to you by our friends at Reese's. There's something for everyone when it comes to Reese's. We have the Reese's Lounge upstairs here. It is the best candy that's ever been created. If you're doing a Mount Rushmore of candies, Reese's is number one. And guess what? Reese's is probably number two, number three, number four as well, because there's that— you have everything. You get the Reese's sticks, You get the Reese's, the animal crackers with the Reese's. You've got Reese's Pieces. You got everything. Everything is Reese's and it's all good. Also, the Oreo Reese's cups that they've come out with are so, so good. It might be my favorite candy I've ever had. So go get a Reese's today. The Reese's is like the Spain national team, best in the world. They will— they lifted— they lift the trophy. That is because Reese's is always there, always dominant. We love Reese's, and it's not just— like I said, not just the, the peanut butter cups. They got everything but the peanut butter cups. They run the ball and they run it well right down your throat.
Reese's peanut butter cups are the absolute best. Reese's, the official candy partner of Barstool Sports. Go get a Reese's wherever you shop. Okay boys, it is Mount Rushmore time. We're going to do the Mount Rushmore of non-edible things that look delicious.
Yeah.
And so in Mount Rushmore right now, what is the scores? It's Big Cat, Maximum Memes 29, PFT 20, Hank and Zach 17. Nice little comeback from—
we're fighting, we're fighting, not giving up hard.
This should be a fun one. Non-edible things that look delicious. Who is going first? I believe that's you. We're going first and then— and then me, then me, then the me, Max and meeps.
No, just pick up Zach.
I think one or two.
Who's— who's—
who's— you guys are—
wait, you don't have your big board together?
Yeah, I do have a big board.
You guys knew you had the first one.
I know, I know.
But now I'm just like the Raiders. The Raiders on the clock and Tom Brady is like, should we do this viral video with Logan Paul?
Does everyone have an obvious one?
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
No, it should be— there shouldn't be debate. You already know what you went into this draft. Go into—
I know.
I just been on the clock.
We go in this draft being like, okay, what are they going to take? One and two.
I think we go—
who's running this draft for one?
All right, we're going to go Nickelodeon Slime.
Okay.
Oh, good.
Really good. Didn't think of it. Not the non-Google thing. Really? Just like I get surprised by it.
Yeah.
By answers.
Zach had slime and then I added that Nickelodeon Slime is like—
didn't have it on our list. Okay, great.
Good.
It's great.
It's a good pick.
Great, great.
What do they make it out of?
Poison.
Yeah, I don't like it.
So, no, oobleck's a fucking lie, dude. We did the oobleck on the Yak a few years ago. That shit is whack.
You just got to whip it right.
Yeah, but I feel like those videos, like, it's one of those things they have people make it on a MrBeast video and they have, you know, scientists creating the perfect balance. And then you try to do it and you just have wet bake or flour or whatever it is.
Borax.
Is that what it is?
I believe so.
Okay. Have you ooblecked?
I'll have a look for you. It's great time.
What did you oobleck?
Just oobleck.
When?
Probably third grade.
Oh, okay.
All right. My 1-1 still on the board. I'm going to go with Tide Pods.
Mm.
Laundry pods.
Good.
They look delicious. Look like some gummies, some Gushers. The colors are meant to be eaten. They know what they're doing when they make those Tide Pods. Yeah.
Didn't have it.
Didn't have it either.
Memes.
What was that? Was that look? We got both our one.
One.
Yeah.
Should we do both those?
Yeah.
Do both of our one ones.
OK. All right. We're going to go with the old classics. Glue. Glue is delicious. Looks delicious, especially when it looks like icing. Yeah. So good.
What?
I don't like glue.
I never was never appetized by glue.
Oh, man.
Glue looks so good. It's glue.
Smells good. I never wanted to eat it.
Oh, I've wanted to eat it.
I could see that.
A lot of times the number one thing of what children eat in, like, that's true.
And it's dangerous. Yeah.
One kid. There's one kid that loves glue.
All right. And then our next one, what are we doing?
I think you guys just have a team of the 3 one kids that love glue.
Glue looks delicious. It looks like frosting. It's frosting, right? It looks delicious. All right, go ahead, Max.
What's our—
what's our—
and then our next pick will be Play-Doh.
Play-Doh. Play-Doh. It does always look delicious as well. The yellow.
I want one. Never. Yeah, I was never appetizing. I definitely— I definitely nibbled on some Play-Doh.
Oh yeah. Yeah. You people eat Play-Doh. It's salty as fuck.
It smells good.
It doesn't taste good, but it— yeah, it smells good. It's fun to put in your hands and you're like, hey, what if I just took a little bite? And half the time you're doing Play-Doh, you're making actual food items. Like you're making a Play-Doh pizza.
Yeah.
Oh, shit. I want to eat.
I remember kindergarten, we— our teacher had us make peanut butter Play-Doh. We made our own Play-Doh out of peanut butter that you could eat. And that sent a bad message to the class, which was you can't eat Play-Doh.
Yeah. Listen, when my kids take a little bite of Play-Doh, I'm not saying anything.
All right. I got actually my, my second pick. I had a tie with Play-Doh and then shaving cream. Shaving cream.
Very good.
Yep.
Very nice.
You put it in like even in pie format if you're, if you're pie and somebody in the face. I just want to eat that pie.
Yeah, agreed.
Very good.
You think 4 or 1, Zach?
Oh no, you guys still have your 1. You got to take your 1.
Take, take the 1.
You have 2 picks, by the way.
In which, in which, uh, in which column? The tiny top, heavy middle, tiny bottom, heavy middle.
What, what is going on here?
What was that?
Heavy middle?
Yeah, yeah. All right, we're gonna go— well, we have like tiny top, we make a notes app, I make a list, Zach makes a list, and then I started putting together a big list. But what's tiny top, heavy middle. Like, the tiny top is my tiny. I have like 5. Zach has like 5 on the bottom. And then we— heavy middle is the middle, is the more organized middle.
Okay, so you, you—
so why wouldn't everything be heavy, be in the heavy middle?
Because we, we don't worry about our process. We're doing fine.
Uh, no, you're not.
You're in last place.
We're gonna take Hot Lava.
Good pick.
Ah, shit.
It's a good pick.
I had that.
Yeah, they said that it was gonna last.
Yeah.
I wanted to take it. Lava looks great. It always looks delicious.
Reminds me of Reese's.
Looks very, very good. Always looks good.
Whatever you want, Zach.
We would then— we would like to pick— we're going to go with Insulation.
Mm, good pick. I had that too.
That looks good. That's delicious. The pink stuff is foamy.
Good choice. Looks like cotton candy.
Really good. Really good. Okay.
PFT.
All right. I'm going to go. I got to go with Windex. Windex looks so refreshing.
Mm.
Well, chug it. Looks like a sports drink.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's good.
That's kind of like what we were—
blue antifreeze.
Antifreeze. But I think Windex is probably better. Yeah.
Yep.
All right.
What do we do, boys?
We got a lot.
We got to get to nail these.
Yeah.
This is a good draft.
This is a good draft.
This is a good draft all the way around.
I think 9 and 17 kind of calls to me.
That's exactly the two that I was thinking.
Memes, you like that?
9 and 17.
I like it. Okay. So we're going to go candles. Candles always look delicious.
Yeah.
Especially, you know, wax.
Smell good. Yeah.
Smell good. Look good. And then this one, this is for me. I laughed out loud at this because I thought it— I was like, shit, I do actually want to eat these. We're going to go with pool noodle. Pool noodle always looks so yummy. I could pick— I want to take a bite out of pool noodles.
The fact is, it's called a noodle.
Yeah, exactly. It's right there for you. Yeah, it's actually bullshit that they make you—
it's false advertising.
So bad.
All right. My last one, I'm going to go with the lava lamp inside of a lava lamp when it's like gooey. It's jelly.
Hanker.
That's— it's different than hot lava.
You're going to allow that one?
Lava.
It's lava.
It's not lava. It's— it's like a gooey jelly thing on the inside. A lava lamp is way different than hot lava.
It looks exactly like lava because it's called lava.
No, it doesn't.
It does look like lava.
It does not. What color is lava, Hank?
This is a conundrum.
Lava is like a bright orange.
Hank, you got to pick a lamp. You got to fight.
You just pick the lamp.
You just start picking a lamp.
Lava lamp. It's— the inside of a lava lamp is completely different from lava.
You should— why is it called a lava lamp?
Hank, if I tell you that I— if we're doing a draft of best sharks and I say nurse shark, do you say that doesn't count? That's a nurse.
So if you take shark and then we— or if we take shark and you take shark lamp, I see both sides.
I see both sides.
Well, I'm saying a lava lamp does not contain lava.
So you want to eat the glass? You should get the word lava though.
So you want to eat glass?
No, lava's already been used.
Because if you're eating— if you're eating the lava lamp, you have to eat the entire lamp.
Okay, the inside of a lava lamp, which is just lava.
No, it's not.
You can pretend to not I know what I'm talking about.
Or, you know, you want to eat glass. You want to eat glass.
I don't want to eat glass, but it looks like anybody out there with a brain knows that the inside of a lava lamp is different from lava that comes out of a volcano. It's not, but it does. It does even look the same. It does look the same.
Why is it called a lava lamp?
Because that's a cool name. Because it's a little—
another—
what? Why don't we find another word for it? What is the— let's, let's give you the pick.
That is goo lamp.
Lava Lamp.
The Inside of a Lava Lamp.
Hold on, let's just— Astro Lamp. You get Astro Lamp.
No, no, I'm not doing that. That's fair. I'm not doing Astro Lamp.
Yeah, you get—
you want Lava Lamp because it looks like lava. Lava looks—
yeah, you get Astro Lamp.
Nobody knows what an Astro Lamp is.
Or you get Bubble Light or Bubbling Decorative Light.
I'm fine with either of those.
These are terrible.
Liquid Light Show. You want Liquid Light Show?
These are terrible names for—
to be shit. Oh, Plasma Globe. We're—
we can—
plasma globe is good.
We can— we can act like we think that it's actually lava inside of a lava lamp if you want to.
But that's not how you do lava lamps. Are called lava lamps because they look like lava.
That's—
and this is a draft of things that— things that look appetizing but are not edible.
Wow.
Max actually succinctly summed that up. Proud of you.
I'm going with lava lamp as my pick. It's completely different from lava.
Different. We got to vote.
It's a different pick.
We gotta vote.
But you see what Max is saying? It's—
we're all—
we're talking about—
I'm seeing what AI is telling Max to say.
We're all— we're talking about things that are not edible and that they look like they're yummy.
Yeah.
Lava.
They pick lava.
Yeah.
You pick something that looks like lava. They're the same pick.
I don't think that it's—
I know that lava lamps aren't lava. I don't think that a lava lamp looks like lava, but it's made to mimic the—
would you have been okay if we took antifreeze when you took Windex?
Yeah, you could have taken it. It would have been a bad pick, but you could have taken it.
I don't think they look the same.
Lava lamps are not— they don't look like lava. They're not the same color as lava. It's about the texture of the goo that's inside. It moves around when it's hot like lava.
This—
I don't know why people are pretending to not understand. There's a big difference between you picked lava coming out of a volcano. Yes, but that's a mixture of—
we understood what it looks like. It's not about I totally understand that.
What it's all about, what the substance is, is about what it looks like.
Correct.
And does it look good?
Does it look appetizing?
It does look appetizing because it looks like lava. It's a different thing.
One pick is named after another pick and also made to look like another pick.
Correct.
I think we should vote.
All right, you guys vote.
I vote no.
I'm reading about lava lamps. Give me a second.
So if it's inside of a lava lamp, I think he gets paraffin then.
That's what it's called. Yeah.
Or bubble light.
But no one knows what those things are.
The inside of the liquid light show. Lava Manufacturing Corporation. Oh, it started in Chicago.
Cool.
All right. So what's the vote?
I vote no.
Max Beams, Big Cat's captain of our team. No, Max is the captain of our team.
Max is not the captain.
Max, you vote.
I'm trying to figure out who I want to.
I vote yes. I vote that it does count.
All vote counts.
Wow.
Good pick. That's the right call. Democracy wins.
Wow.
It's good to know that cooler heads prevail at the ballot box. Thank you, Max.
Crazy. All right, Zach, do I do 3 or 4?
Oh, what do we—
what do we think about 3 over 4? But do you feel good about 3 to round it out?
Pretty good. Yeah.
Okay, I'm in.
Or the second one on the top on the, on the shortlist.
That one's also good. That one might do better than 4 on the, on the, on the fat list.
All right.
Or 3 on the fat list.
The fat list?
Go with the skinny list.
Yeah, this was my second pick on the skinny list. It's, uh, Pencil Eraser.
Good pick.
Yeah, we had it on our list.
It's a good pick.
We had it on our list. Okay, what do we miss?
I was going to— the other two we were deciding between was a bouquet of flowers.
I had tulips, and tulips look delicious.
Caribbean ocean water.
Yeah, ocean water. You're right.
But it's got like regular— like the Atlantic Ocean, like some of the ocean, like Northeast Ocean waters, like dark, whatever. Like when you're flying over the Caribbean, it looks delicious.
It does. I had earplugs, like foam earplugs.
Mm-hmm.
Look kind of delicious, especially if they're the multicolored ones.
Mm-hmm.
Paint.
Paint.
Paint. Yeah. Yeah. I had the blue barbershop disinfectant that you put the combs in, but that's like too similar to Windex, I think.
Zach, what is Bondo?
Bondo is like a— like a hardening— like a paste you make to like fill a hole or like— like maybe like a— like a gash in metal. You mix it up, it kind of looks like putty.
Yeah.
Stress balls.
Yeah.
Stress balls look delicious. Ping pong balls as well.
Mousepads, Legos.
Oh, mouth—
all the jelly, the—
like the wrist guard, carpal tunnel.
Oh, good ones. Yeah, that's a good one.
Legos, cotton balls.
Yeah, I've never been into Legos, but I could see it. I could see it.
The markers that smell good.
We want to just say, right, we just want to sniff. We just want to be out in the open saying we will never eat the bugs. But if we were to eat bugs, ladybugs do look like a candy you could just pop.
Yeah, that chick from— was Oklahoma—
softball player.
Oh, yeah, she ate the ladybugs. Also, Meme said spiders. I don't know about that one.
No, I'm not throwing ideas out. Yeah, I thought deodorant. Yeah, like Old Spice.
I liked your aluminum foil pick. I kind of looks delicious. You ball it up.
I said pearl aluminum foil and I didn't get it. I thought I feel like pearls look like little, little candies, little onions, maybe.
Yeah. Tiny little onions.
Memes also said eating, but I didn't. I didn't know that. Looks delicious part. Yeah.
You don't think that looks delicious?
Looks cute.
It looks cute. You got marbles.
Marbles could be tasty.
Marbles.
Good one. Marbles look really good.
Yeah. Yeah.
Also, we should just say, do not eat any of these things if you're listening or your kids are listening.
We probably should have started with that.
Yeah, it's not good for you.
Don't do that.
Do it.
Crayons.
Yeah.
Crayons smell good too.
Crayons is a mess.
Eat them.
Trying to think what crayons could be one that people get pissed at us for.
Yeah. Crayons are really good. They— I actually think crayons might actually be delicious. Like, that's one of those ones we've said a lot of these where I'm like, yeah, of course, there's no way. Like, you wouldn't eat that.
Play-Doh is kind of delicious.
Oh yeah, no, well, it's really salty. I've tried it recently.
Which color crayon?
Uh, probably green for health. I'm trying to get the most vitamins.
What are the best color crayons?
Orange. Orange looks pretty good.
The peach. That's the thing too, is they, they confuse you by by naming it after foods. Yeah, like the banana. There's a banana crayon when you get the big box, like the 100, where they, where they basically ran out of colors. So like, oh, we can't just say yellow. It's like yellow banana, right?
Yeah.
Like maybe a seafoam. I could eat, I could eat one of those. I could eat a purple crayon easy. One bite. No, everyone knows the rules.
They could be savory.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Purple crayon would rock, actually. Maybe like a— maybe like shaving one of those— oh, shaving like a black crayon, like a truffle on some pasta, some cacio e pepe. I could do that.
Black crayon garnish.
Yeah, I could absolutely do that. Baseball cards. I remember I got into eating baseball cards a little bit back in the day, you know, about a year ago. Yeah, they actually didn't look delicious and they were not good. So I did eat them.
Same thing with football.
Yeah, football.
I tried to eat a football. Pencils made me throw up.
Yeah, I ate so many pencils.
You ate pencils?
I would just chew on them.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Chew on—
you still chew on everything.
I chew on everything.
Yeah.
We get you like a mouth guard.
Oh, I mean, this one is actually another chew thing. Bottle caps. They—
they—
I actually like—
I have a serious problem with those. Yeah, I get yelled at. I got yelled at a ton for like to this day for chewing on bottle caps.
Yeah.
Fingernails.
I think I'm going to be— I've been thinking about this and you guys tell me if this is not a look I can pull off, but I've been thinking about being one of those guys that just always has the, the toothpick. No, the singular floss things in their mouth. Oh, and just pointing with it. Maybe have a Bluetooth earphone.
You got to be a little more Italian for that.
Okay.
Yeah.
Listen, I don't know. Toothpick is not toothpick. I know I'm not toothpick guy. Toothpick guy's a badass. It's Razor Ramon. I'm saying the little one stick, you know what I mean?
Those flossers help with the bottle cap thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Huge.
I've just been thinking about it. I'm not— I'm not saying I'm going to do it, but I've been thinking about it.
You know, some dentists, they don't count that as flossing. I was super— I was super pumped. I was super pumped because I was— I've been flossing every day with those things. And then the dentist was like, yeah, that doesn't actually do this.
No, that's—
and I think that's big dentist. Yeah, that's big tooth trying to get at you.
Yeah, that doesn't— yeah, come on. All right. Good draft, guys. Should we get to our interviews?
Toothpaste.
Toothpaste. That's actually edible.
That is edible.
That's 100%.
It says don't swallow, though.
Yeah, but you can put it in your mouth.
That's it.
But yeah, it's meant to go in your mouth.
Yeah.
Oh, the shampoo with the little, like, bead, you know, the, like, beads in it.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? Like the grain, like it's the orbits of shampoo.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That shit, I could just—
I have—
lick it.
These air— these— they're supposed to be for your dogs. These like little balls of like air deodorant— deodorizers.
Oh yeah.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
They look like Dippin' Dots.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, these things.
Oh yeah. That's not fair.
They know what they're doing.
They look so delicious. But I didn't know how to like explain that.
Oh my God. Yeah. Those are so good. Also, it's cinnamon. Cinnamon's edible.
Yeah, you eat that.
I kind of—
yeah, we glossed over it. We didn't even acknowledge it when you said cinnamon. Like, that's 100%— eat a tablespoon of cinnamon. That's not—
but you can eat—
you put cinnamon on things. People can eat cinnamon. Chocolate. All right, let's get to our interviews.
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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest. It is our good friend, longtime friend, Jimmy Tatro. A-lister. He's got a new show out called Hawk on Netflix with Will Ferrell. Jimmy, great to have you back in studio. I actually I was, I was doing some reading before and I maybe this is, maybe this is out of date, but are you in talks to be in a Marvel movie?
DC?
Yeah.
Is that the same as Marvel?
No.
Okay.
No, I'm playing. Yeah, I'm gonna be playing Gorilla Grodd.
Oh, you got it.
Yeah.
All right.
So, so we're done.
It's official.
Yeah, we're done. Like, we're— because this was our long plan is like, we'll have Jimmy on in like 2019 and eventually he'll be in a suit like an action movie. With, uh, who's it, Superman?
It's, it's in the Superman spin-off series.
We're not big, as you can tell.
I owned one comic book.
We don't really know this stuff, but we're pumped for you.
I read The Death of Superman when Doomsday got him. Besides that, I don't, I don't know anything about— but this is big.
This is your— this is like the peak of your arc. Like, it's all downhill from here.
It's all—
you're gonna be washed next time we have you on.
Yeah, it's all down here. I'm gonna be super washed. Exhausted from playing this gorilla.
You're gonna be a gorilla?
I'm gonna be a gorilla, yeah.
Is it gonna be like— are you voice acting?
Are they gonna— so it's mostly voice acting, um, and I think they're gonna like use my expressions, um.
Hell yeah.
I don't know exactly the tech, but like, yeah, they asked me if I would be interested. It's the same guys who did American Vandal that are making this. Okay, so, um Yeah, I don't know how much I'm supposed to say. I feel like they're pretty strict about this stuff, but like, I don't care. Yeah, they don't— but, but, um, but yeah, I'm hyped and I'm like, uh, yeah, it's, it's— I feel like I was born to play a gorilla.
Yeah, you do.
I like—
in a very respectful way, I mean this— you have a great gorilla voice. Yeah, you got that deep voice.
Thank you. And I think if you look at photos of Gorilla Grodd, I think like The resemblance is uncanny.
Okay. Well, also, that's very funny because we don't know what a gorilla actually sounds like when they're speaking English.
But yeah, but he does have—
I've been watching extensive game film. I've been, I've been diving into Planet of the Apes. I've been watching some David Attenborough gorilla documentaries.
Have you seen Coco? Have you watched any tape on Coco?
No, but I'll add that to the list. I plan on just consuming nonstop gorilla content.
Do you have any thoughts on the big gorilla trade that happened a couple of months ago? Oh, you didn't? Oh, this guy doesn't know gorillas.
What?
Uh, no, no, no, I know, I know. But maybe for the viewers that don't know, maybe just—
it sounds like you're casual.
Yeah, there was a big gorilla trade between the Pittsburgh Zoo and the, the Boston Zoo.
Pittsburgh got younger position.
Yeah, Pittsburgh's playing for the future and Boston's playing for now. It was, uh, I was like, is this real?
Yeah, Boston's in win-now mode. They wanted a mature gorilla. Pittsburgh is— they're tanking. And so they're like, we need to get a young core together and put together a good squad that's going to grow together. And yeah, you know, Pittsburgh in like 5 years, they're going to have a fucking amazing—
they won the trade because—
all right.
So I guess we got—
I didn't know zoos were moving like this.
We got way too deep into this. Pittsburgh traded like a 35-year-old gorilla who is like out of his prime of making baby gorillas. And I guess gorillas, like when they're not fucking, they just only hang out with the like dudes. They just like a bachelor party. So they traded him to Boston where it's all dudes. And then they traded Boston, traded a young gorilla to Pittsburgh so that he can fucking make more gorillas.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Wait. And was it just a straight up gorilla for gorilla? Is that cash?
No cash.
No cash considerations. No gorilla.
No future picks.
Yeah.
And who are these GMs of these zoos?
Maybe the best job in America. I actually think you could put it. It's probably a 6-year-old.
Like a 6-year-old would make an outstanding—
just a genius. Yeah, this is insane. Do they throw in like other animals or was it just gorilla?
I think it was just gorilla.
This is rare because I think it was just straight up gorilla for gorilla swap. But like when you have big players on the move, that typically happens. But you do see bigger— you see some 3-team trades sometimes when like, uh, the Utah Zoo chimes in. They're like, hey, we got a couple fish we'll throw in if you want to send like Yeah, yeah, they're like, we can only give you 3 gorillas, but we have like a pretty sick giraffe.
Yeah, that's just kind of chilling.
All right, so it was—
we have 4 other giraffes, so we can give— maybe we could even give you 2 giraffes.
Yeah, so this was from May 14th, uh, the Pittsburgh Zoo announced on Thursday that it's saying goodbye to Frankie, a 7-year-old male western lowland gorilla who was born to mom Mocha in 2018, and welcoming 33-year-old silverback Little Joe from Boston's for the park zoo. Oh, I might have had it opposite. The 33-year-old Little Joe is the guy who's going to fuck. Frankie is too young to fuck.
And who announced this? Adam Schechter?
Yeah, it would have been— I might have actually tweeted about it.
Breaking news.
Yeah, we do need like a Shams for a zoo.
Yeah.
So look, it turns out you actually need to get more into gorillas because—
Yeah, no, I didn't realize that there's a whole— Yeah, I feel like an idiot now.
Yeah.
The messed up thing was like when I was growing up, Koko the gorilla. That was America's gorilla.
Yeah.
Everyone knew about Koko and they taught this gorilla sign language so it could communicate with the zookeeper and—
which I feel like we don't talk about enough.
I know it learned how to talk. This thing learned how to communicate with humans. And then the most fucked up thing was we gave it a kitty, like a little tiny kitten, and then the kitten died. And then now the gorilla is expressing how sad it is all the time. It was like the worst thing ever. It's like, Coco sad. Coco sad. Where's my kitty?
Yeah.
It's like, why did you teach us something?
Coco passed away though, right?
Yeah.
RIP. Yeah.
Yeah. RIP Coco.
Because then wasn't his final message like somewhat profound?
I think it was.
Let me look this up.
Didn't he give like a very profound final message to his best friend, the woman that talked to him?
Yeah, I think he did.
And did the woman that was his best friend like publicize that? She said, actually, his last words were, how great I am.
It was like he was on some like don't harm the world type shit before he passed, if I'm not mistaken.
All right.
He's going to look—
I'm looking it up. Yeah, I'm on this right now.
All right.
I'm hoping that one day, like in the future, I go to the zoo and they're all like, yo, that's— yeah, that's, that's the gorilla.
That's Gorilla Grodd.
Yeah.
There he is in the flesh.
Yeah.
All right. So that's awesome that you're doing this. Hawk on Netflix. How sick is it to work with Wilfredo? You worked with him before, right?
This is our fourth time. Yeah, working together. But this is—
so is he— are you part of the crew?
I would— I think I'm part of the crew now.
Yeah. Like, are you— are you texting with Will Ferrell?
We text.
Yeah.
All right. So that's pretty fun. Have you gone to a Lakers game with Will Ferrell?
We haven't gone to a Lakers.
That's what I think. It makes it official.
We've gone golfing a few times.
Okay. How is he at golf?
He's— we're pretty— he's pretty solid. Yeah, he's pretty solid. But it's the best, man. I mean, we started out— the first thing we did was just like, R-rated CGI animal movie called Strays. Yeah, we had like a voice session together, and then he produced a movie I did called Theater Camp. So that was where we got to know each other a little more. And then we did this movie You're Cordially Invited, which I think was the last time I was here.
Yep.
And then we did another movie that hasn't come out yet, that comes out in March. And they were kind of asking me on set like, so can you golf? How's your golf game? And I was like, yeah, I can golf. And then like a month later we started, we started shooting The Hawk.
So did you have to take any lessons to like get a little bit better?
I crammed as many lessons. I changed my whole swing. Yeah, I like went into, uh, one of those, you know, like one of those TGA— I forget what it's called, but like the city golf or whatever. And they show you the video of your swing, and I saw the video and I was like, oh God, I've been swinging like that all this time. I look like an Idiot.
Yeah.
And then I changed the entire swing, which was pretty awkward for a couple months, and then I started getting used to it. Now I'd say I'm significantly better than I was like a year ago.
And having the swing look good is like, you know, it doesn't really matter how you score. It's just if the swing looks good, then people are like, oh shit, that's a nice swing.
That's all I want. I don't, I don't need to be good at golf. I just want people to look at me, so be like, he actually has a pretty good swing.
Yeah, they were like, they kept being like, that's all we care about. You don't need to actually get good. The swing just needs to look good, right? Well, we might as well kill two birds with one stone.
Yeah, might as well get good. Have you had people critique your swing yet? Because that's coming.
Yeah. Uh-oh, oh, you mean like from the show?
Yeah, well, just online people.
Yeah, it'll come, it'll, it'll happen. I mean, the show just came out yesterday, so it's only a matter of time before. But one of the reasons I was like, I have to get good, is because there's going to be an expectation now.
Yeah.
And the amount of times I've been like golfing with someone and they're like, yo, I just played with that kid from Stick, he wasn't even good, right? And I was like— and they thought I would think it was funny, but I was like, fuck, that's gonna be—
that's you. Yeah, that is 100% you.
They're gonna be like, oh, I played with that kid from The Hawk, not even good.
I played with the Gorilla, he wasn't that strong.
This is a, uh, maybe a dumb question, but when you're filming a golf show, do you get to play golf?
Yeah, so like in between— that was probably the best part of the show is in between setups they'd be like, we have an hour, and we'd be like, okay, we'll be— hand me my 56. And we'd hop, hop over to like the chipping green and just And also it was hilarious because a lot of times the background would still be there, like the extras.
Yeah.
So there'd be like a crowd of like 300 just like kind of waiting for the next setup. But we'd be over there chipping and they'd just be watching because they have nothing else to do besides be on their phones. And so like when you'd hit a good shot, like every now and then I'd chip one, it'd like roll in, there'd be a cheer from the crowd.
Yeah.
Right.
And it was kind of hilarious.
Yeah.
I, by the way, I just found Coco's last words.
Okay.
Um, they, they asked her where gorillas go when they die. And she signed, comfortable hole. Bye. Oh, this is fucked up.
That's really morbid.
I would rather the gorilla not— we should— this was a mistake.
No, I actually, I actually like that.
Comfortable. Like, that's not what I was thinking of, though. There was another one where she signed because— is Jane Goodall the one that— gorillas in the mist?
That was, that was a different— so Jane Goodall, she lived over in Africa.
She lived with—
she was basically like an honorary gorilla.
Yeah, right.
Yeah. But Coco lived, I think, at the San Francisco Zoo.
Oh, so that's not— they weren't friends.
They weren't friends.
But so there was another signing gorilla then that talked to Jane Goodall, I'm pretty sure. Or am I—
Jane Goodall might have met Coco at some point. I think if you're the like number one top gorilla human, yeah, on the planet, you probably would have crossed paths with Coco at some point.
I actually like that though from Coco, having the self-awareness, being like, yeah dude, I'm worm food, like I'm not going to heaven or anything.
Yeah, he's just like, it's pretty simple.
Yeah, like you guys are overthinking this shit.
Like if you're teaching the gorilla about death And depending on who's teaching the gorilla, it might be like a Christian. They'd be like, I'm sorry, you're not— like, I get to go to heaven, but when gorillas die, you're just fucking gone. I'm sorry.
Baptize a gorilla.
It's fucked up to teach gorillas about death.
Like, they didn't know. Yeah.
You guys watch that? There was that gorilla documentary that was all about how, like, I forget where— I forget what part of Africa, but they've like formed gangs.
Yeah.
Yeah. And they're in a war.
Yeah.
They're in a war, territory war. And they like go out and like scout out, like, and if someone, like, gets in their territory, they kill them.
Decades long, these, these gorillas have been fighting. Are these— it might be chimps, but the monkeys, whatever, they're fighting.
And the grooming is all political. Like, if you groom with the higher-ups, then that's how you make your way to the top.
Yeah.
And if you try to groom them and then they groom you, that's a sign of mutual respect.
And if you, like, get over your skis, you try to groom somebody that you shouldn't, you get smacked.
Yeah.
And you get attacked.
Yeah.
Fascinating.
It is. It's interesting stuff. But, uh, yeah, RIP Coco. They did ask Coco about, about the planet right before she died. She said, I am gorilla. I am nature. Man stupid. Fix Earth.
That's what I— that's what I was thinking.
That was— that was from a PSA that she recorded in 2015. So it was like a couple of years before she died.
OK, but that's what I was thinking.
We should just say that. Yeah, those are her last words. Yeah. Yeah. Nice job, Coco.
Would have been nice if the gorilla gave us like some Powerball numbers on the way out or something. Yeah, I would have played those. Yeah. Pick the— pick the— pick the next year's Super Bowl winner. Speaking of which, can we talk about how you must be so relieved that you are now out from under the spell of LeBron James. I, I have your team back. I am your franchise back.
I am. And what's so great about it is that we got to keep Bronny.
Yeah.
Well, I was so worried we were going to lose him.
Yeah. You're losing Bronny.
And then, and then when I saw that we signed him, I was like, thank God. Um, no, I, I am a little relieved. We're a little bit alarmingly White, white, very— I would say maybe too white.
We were talking about that with Austin Reeves being like, dude, what is it like you, you come in the league and you're on a team and you're like, I'm the white scrappy guy. Now you're just like, you don't have anything that differentiates, right?
Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a far cry from Showtime. You guys are going to lead the league in like bounce passes. Just made the whole two-handed layup, the whole plane out of Kurt Rambis. Yeah, it's bro time. It's going to be fun. I think that Luka is— he looks good. Yeah, he's in shape. When he first joined the Lakers, did you like— honestly, when you saw him, were you like, this guy could probably lose a little bit of weight?
Luka? Yeah, I wasn't really thinking about that, about the weight. You know, then I feel like when he showed up, he was— he was good by then, right?
Like, he's a little fat.
He kind of got his revenge body going.
He gets it. He gets it in the summer. And there's always just like one picture of him playing I, it's got to be so funny, like, being one of his team members on the national team, like the 12th guy on that team, being like, I get to play with Luka. Like, this is pretty sick.
Yeah.
You know, but I, I think the Lakers are going to be good.
I like to imagine Rob Pelinka, uh, being in a, in a meeting like, so guys, I have an idea and this is going to sound crazy. And they're like, Rob, don't, don't say it. He's like, we go wider.
Yeah.
And they're like, oh God, Rob, we can't go wider. We go even wider, guys.
Do you Do you have— when we talked to Austin Reeves, we brought up the fact, do you hold anything against him? The fact that he was— well, actually, no, this would be pro Lakers. He was a big-time LeBron troll when he was a kid, which makes it very funny, and a huge Kobe stan.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
So he actually earns his Lakers pinch. I don't know what the pinch translates to.
Yeah, that's— I mean, that's like Lakers fans in a nutshell.
Yeah.
Yeah. And then LeBron came. We're like, I mean, it's, you know, it's cool. It's cool to have LeBron. Can't— you can't deny it, it's cool to have LeBron. But then after a while you're like, okay, yeah.
I think he tweeted when he was a kid, um, like, I put my phone into LeBron mode, no rings.
Yeah, and pretty good.
Yeah, when he was like flipping on—
retweeted that.
Yeah, yeah, 12 years old.
That's so—
and then somebody found it and brought it up to him when he was on the Lakers, and he went up to LeBron, he's like, hey man, so they just found this.
No offense, he's just a die-hard Kobe fan.
And you can admit it now, like You didn't like him on the Lakers, right? The whole time you felt dirty.
I didn't love, I didn't love the vibe. I didn't love the vibe that he kind of, I don't love his vibe, but I respect him. Yeah. I respect everything. And like undeniably impressive what he's still able to do right now. And then especially like late in the playoffs, like he was really, I, it was extremely impressive.
Yeah.
But, um, yeah, I mean, I'm a, I'm a Kobe guy and, uh, yeah, I just, I just like, I like the tenacity. I like the, the ferocity.
I do feel like if not, if not during this season, next year, the Lakers are about to make some big move. There's going to be something big that happens.
I actually, I got to be honest. I don't know who that guy is that we just got that, uh, the, the The one who completed our, our white.
Yeah. From Utah.
Yeah.
He's good. He played at Auburn. He's good. He's basically— his job is going to be there to catch lobs from Luka, which is a great strategy.
That's good.
Like that.
He has great nicknames.
Yeah.
All the ones I've seen are incredible.
Yeah. When you put— what were some of the ones you saw?
I saw like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
Okay.
That's good.
I saw Milk Chamberlain.
Okay.
I saw— it was like one of those things where the comment section just like went off and everyone had a good one to offer. Yeah.
He— but he—
He is, uh, yeah, like building around Luka, it's like we just need a big guy who can, who can dunk the ball in the lane when Luka is going one-on-one and everyone, you know, someone goes after him, he's like, just throw it up there.
Yeah.
And that's all you— I mean, that's what he— they did with the Mavs when the Mavs went to the finals. That was Luka just like unlocked.
There's games where Reeves looks like he's— yeah, the guy over Luka sometimes.
Yeah.
Which is cool.
And then you got Robbie Avila. Yeah, he's the guy that you might have seen, the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the guy with the like rec specs.
Oh, maybe that's who I'm thinking of.
Yeah, so that's the dude. So he played at St. Louis last year.
He's in like the G League right now.
Yeah, he's not good.
Oh, that's who I'm thinking of.
But I want him to make the team so bad. He would be so funny to see. He's a good player. Like he can shoot.
Just like announcing him and being able to list off all those names in a row.
Yeah.
Milk Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
Yeah.
Just throw like 10 of them out.
Yeah.
Uh, last time we talked, I don't know if this was, if this was on the show or not, but we were talking about the, uh, the Sublime movie.
Oh yeah.
That you were, that you were looking at at the time.
Oh wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
So what happened with that? So they were making a biopic about Brad from Sublime.
They're, I think they already did it.
Okay.
Yeah.
I can't sing. So I was like, I'm, I'm, it's not like they wanted me. They were like, asked, they, I was, they were, they asked me to like throw my hat in the ring.
Yeah.
But I was like, I can't, I can't sing.
Yeah, if you need a gorilla, you got it.
Yeah, you need a gorilla.
Are you worried about being typecast?
A little bit, man. Yeah, a little bit.
How does it, how does it work? Like, how many, uh, how many different projects are like up in the air for you at a given time?
Right now there's like 7.
Okay. There's, um, and it's just all like, it's just, you're just fielding it and then some you sign on to, some you're like, all right, maybe it'll happen, maybe it doesn't, because things just take so long, right, that you just—
I've learned you just get as many going as you can. I used to worry about like the hypotheticals of if this works out and this works out, how am I gonna make it work with the timing? Yeah, but it— everything takes so long. So now I'm at a point where like I have like probably 6 or 7 projects that are kind of in development and, and like irons in the fire, right?
That's pretty cool.
Yeah.
And then how long— how long is like, like, how long was the shooting for Hawk? How long were you like on set?
That was maybe 4, 4 months.
Yeah.
But we shot in LA, so that was cool.
So it was the whole time though, like every day you'd get up and go to work?
Yeah.
Damn.
But we would do— we do like little day— not day trips, but we do like little mini trips. Like we'd go out to Camarillo, or we'd go to We did a little trip to the TGL. We shot like an episode at the TGL.
Yeah.
So we flew out to Palm Beach for like 3 days.
How often we— so we were mentioning before, there's a— I can't talk a ton about it. I'm doing a Jimmy Tatro to Jimmy Tatro, a movie that I might be in coming out in December. But Max and I went there and when we showed up at the TGL, it's TGL. They, they told us about French hours.
Oh yeah.
French hours just is essentially for two fat guys like me and Max. We just ate all day. They just were like, it was incredible.
French hours make no sense.
Yeah.
We were like, what do you mean French hours? And then they just, it was like breakfast at 6:00 AM. Then like sandwiches came at 9:00, tacos came at 11:00, pasta came at 1:00. And they're like, French hours means we're not going to take an actual break. We're just going to eat all day. And we're like, we're in for that.
French people do not eat that much.
It was like 8 meals within 6 6 hours because we took French hours as like a, uh, almost like a challenge. So like, we have to eat every time they bring out—
we gotta try it. It would be rude not to try the food that they were offering.
That's— that is the thing, like, the first, like, few projects I did where you're on set, like, just being around that much food. Yeah, it's like hard to stop yourself. Yeah, but I— so I've never done French hours, but I've always— I've always been curious. I thought it was more just like, you don't— I mean, the idea of it is that, like, like lunch kind of, lunch kind of creates a big lull.
Yeah, right.
Where like it's an, it's an hour lunch, but then everyone's kind of sluggish coming back in. So it like kind of is like a huge dip in the vibe. And the idea of French hours is like, let's sprint through, have a shorter day, and then eat after. I didn't realize that.
I didn't know.
They're just bringing all the like snacks.
You don't know French hours.
Snack, the midday snack.
No, it wasn't snacks, it was full meals. It was literally full meals every 2 hours.
That's kind of—
we ate every single one of them.
Well, you have to try. You gotta try it.
I did.
Some things were better than the others, and then you'd eat more. I can't believe you don't know French hours. I thought you were in the biz.
No, I never worked French hours.
He's a superhero.
No, I know, I know, I know French hours. I know, I know them. I've just never, I've never worked them. I, but I've always been intrigued because I have felt in the past where I'm like, man, lunch kind of took all our energy out. I'd be interested in skipping lunch and just kind of continuing to power through.
Yeah. You know, it took our energy out again because we ate every single meal, every 2 hours, which I also had nothing to do that day.
Yes. I was, I was literally, I was just there. So I was just eating. I was just there to eat.
That's nice.
Yeah, it was nice.
I, I always, I did feel like the, the moment I like really matured I was like, oh, I'm like, I've gotten used to being on set, was when I actually was like, I can stop myself from just going and splurging on every— they'd like, hey, we have a snack. And I was like, I'm okay. Yeah, I was like, wow, that was huge of me.
Uh-huh.
I just passed on free food.
Yeah. I got a headline grab question for you.
Oh, I like this.
How many—
what's the percentage of people in Hollywood that are on The Shot?
On the shot?
Yeah, taking the, uh, the stomach—
oh, like Ozempic?
Yeah.
I don't know, I mean, it seems like everyone's on Ozempic right now.
Everyone seems like weirdly skinny now.
Do you want to—
even skinny people, everyone looks skinny, vacuum sealed. Yes, it makes people look vacuum—
they've lost their strength. Do you want to come out right now and say you, you have not taken Ozempic?
I, I can confirm I have not taken Ozempic. I don't plan on taking Ozempic. It seems like one of those things with like where it's like side effects TBG.
Yeah, we'll see.
It's not fine.
Probably don't worry about that. It's probably—
yeah, that's not real.
As of now it's okay.
But you know what's up?
Yeah, listen, Jimmy, what's great about Ozempic is that for like 100 years we've been trying different substances to get us to lose weight, and every single time there's a massive side effect that is terrible for your health. But this time we found it.
Yeah, this is it. This is the one.
So this is good. Everybody's on it.
We're good now.
We're just gonna be skinny from now on.
It is also a little ironic, like the body positive people that are now on Ozempic.
The second they get it, yeah, yeah, you're like, well, I thought you—
oh, here's a shortcut. Yeah, they just took Rainbow Road. Yeah, I thought you liked the whole—
and listen, if you have to lose weight, it's definitely— it's a great drug, I think, for a lot of people. But sure, I've seen so many people in Hollywood that are— they're, you know, perfectly fine.
They were already— they were already in good shape, and then you start taking Ozempic, it's like Like, yeah, that's, that's where it gets iffy. I get it if you're like, if you're big and you want to like lose weight, so if you're already in okay shape and you're taking it, you just look vacuum sealed.
Yeah.
Yeah. Also, I, I'd be afraid if, if, uh, like if you're a comedy actor like you, a lot of times comedy actors, they get less funny if they get skinny.
Mm-hmm.
It's like they, and I'm not saying that you have, you know, extra weight, but there, there are a lot of examples of people that were bigger. Then they got skinny and it's like, I kind of— not as funny anymore.
Yeah.
You got to stay— you got to stay big to be funny.
Are you a tough one?
Are you going to make a turn in your career and start doing super serious movies soon?
Oh, yeah.
When does that come? Because I feel like 5 years from now you'll be just like, give me that fucking Oscar.
Single camera.
I want that. Yeah.
So yeah, I'm going to be coming back on here in like a— in like a 3-piece suit and like being so self-serious, real artistic, calling and saying it's not a movie, it's a film. Yeah, it's a film.
Are you— do you have— do you have goals to do that?
Um, I plan on doing that in the next 2 to 3 years. The hope was to be there by now.
Well, no, you got the— I think— I think you're going the right path.
Yeah, to eventually be like super self-serious. Yeah, yeah, I'm working on it, man.
I want one where you're like crying, maybe like divorcing. Yeah, punching your fist through a wall, something like that.
It's all in French or something.
Yeah.
Or at least a French adaptation.
Yeah. Yeah. French subtitles to an American boot.
Anything to work the French hours.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
I love that.
How we just— I just saw The Invite, which is out. I think— I think it just came out like 2 weeks ago. The Seth Rogen one.
Oh, I heard that.
It could be a wild— Yeah, but— but I was looking up after. I'm pretty sure it was like a film in Spain. And then we just took it. We just take every movie and it's awesome. And we just make it our own.
I know it's disappointing to find out that existed.
And then we're just like, nah, now it really is.
That's like when I found out The Office already existed. Yeah, right. They're like, you know, it already existed. I was like, no, no. Yeah, it couldn't have already existed. It's so good.
Yeah, it's a really good movie. You know, it'd be better if we had people that were already famous that we put in there and then we had them do all the jobs that the not famous people did.
Right. Like, speaking of this, Moana just came out, the live-action Moana.
Yeah. I did not. I haven't seen it yet with my kids.
I haven't seen it yet either. Moana 2. Didn't Moana 2 just come out like a year ago?
It came out. I want to say a year and a half.
It came out like Thanksgiving.
Not last year, the year before.
Impressive.
Well, I mean, I have 3 kids. Moana is a big deal in our house.
So did your kids also feel that the live-action remake was maybe like 15 years too early?
I— so I haven't taken them yet. I think they're probably just going to be like, this is cool. It's just another Moana. Yeah, so that's— it's, it's pretty surface level stuff. Yeah, like Minions was— we, we saw me, we were hyped for Minions. You should get into Minions.
I love Minions.
They're the best. They're the funniest.
I fucking love— also, when my fiancée was in the new Minions movie, and when she told me that—
oh, she was—
she like told— she like, she knew how excited I was gonna be. She, she like damn near sat me down to be like, I have big news for you.
Wait, what does she play?
She plays the, um, the woman that falls in love with the robot.
Okay. D'Ort. D'Ort's the robot.
Yeah, yeah. She's the woman that falls in love with D'Ort, the like, the like women's rights.
Oh, yeah.
But yeah, I— she told me that and I was like, are you fucking serious? You're going to be in the new Minions movie?
Did you ask her? And this is maybe getting too deep, but the new Minions movie is— it like takes place like over a course of years. Like 1920s, then it's like 1930s, '40s.
Yeah.
Did you ask her, like, the Minions, what their whole thing is, is they always find like the baddest dude in the world and then they serve him.
Uh-huh.
The H-Man.
Oh my God.
Well, I mean, it was— it's a similar time frame. Like, you'd think the Minions— the H-Man, the Minions, right up there.
I'm imagining just like deleted scenes in the new Minions. Movie where you're like, the studio's like, hey, we gotta lose the— yeah, we gotta lose the minions in Germany. Yeah, we gotta lose all that stuff.
Why did we flash forward from 1933 to 1946? What happened there? Where were the minions?
I, I love when people go back and they're like, now, did Friends exist in the 9/11 Cinematic Universe? Or I guess it'd be the other way, did 9/11 happen in Friends? And then in one episode somebody finds a guy that's wearing like a TSA patch or something. They're like, yep, so 9/11 did happen. Yeah, yeah, I love people, all these clues, going back and, and looking at all that stuff. Are you still doing, um, writing as much as you used to?
Yeah, so I mean, that's like, those are, that's kind of included in those like 7, uh, projects in development that I was speaking of. But I have, uh, yeah, there's like, I have a show in development that's like kind of like a snowboarding It's like kind of like, uh, it's just like a comedy about 4 best friends that live on a snowboard mountain that gets bought by like an Ikon Pass type of a company, and their mountain's about to start getting like gentrified. But it's just like a half-hour comedy that we sold, um, to HBO, and we're just kind of like waiting on a final, final word.
How much stuff have you sold that just nobody ever does anything with?
Like 3 shows that like didn't go anywhere. And then like a couple movies that we were like, maybe 3 movies that just kind of never, never happened.
It's got to be so frustrating. Oh, it's like they pay you money. So in theory they like it and they want to make it. How does it work? Like from an economic standpoint for the studios to be just like buying stuff and they're like, fuck it, we bought it, but I just kind of want to hang on to it.
It's like they're just, they're just mitigating risk, you know, they're just like making it go every step of the way. It goes through like an approval process, which to be honest is kind of like one of the tough things about TV right now, is like it takes so long to get anything on the air.
I thought about doing YouTube.
That's a good idea.
Yeah, I feel like that's— you should look into that.
That's—
dude, that's actually youtube.com.
Damn.
Yeah, check it out.
Um, but like, yeah, it takes so long to get anything out now that like by the time a lot of stuff comes out, you can tell that it's like an idea that maybe that person came up with like 5 years ago, right? They're just trying to like make it more current because it just takes so long to get things out. By the time they get them out, it's like it's not even that relevant anymore.
Do some studios like buy stuff because they— just because they don't want a competitor to have it?
Yeah, I've heard about how it's like buy it and then kill it. Yeah, which would be— that'd be like be beyond devastating.
Yeah, yeah, that would suck.
Yeah, your idea is so good that people will buy it and then just never make it because they like—
if they're like, we have something similar, and then they don't want yours to come out. Yeah, it's not like super common though. I've, I've like maybe heard about like a rumor about that, but I haven't experienced it myself.
So when you're writing, are you writing because you have like somebody in mind or a production company in mind that you are, uh, I guess a studio that is going to purchase it, or do you just go to them with an outline? You say, hey, I'm thinking about doing this, do you want to work on this? Like, how, how much of a completed project do you have to have before you start selling it?
Well, like with a show, you, you, you basically have— you come up with the characters, you come up with what the first episode is, you come up with what the first season would be, like kind of a broad strokes of the full season, and you put together like a pitch deck with photos and you kind of and that's what you bring into like HBO, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, and just kind of pitch that. With, with movies, it's a little bit different. Like, you could just write a script and then try to sell the script, or there's like an existing idea that a studio may have and hire you to write if you're like an established writer. Or there's— or you could sell them on an idea and then, and then get paid to write it, but it all kind of There's a million different ways to go about it.
Which—
so some of these things that you have coming down the pipe, which one are you going to have like a different podcast star in? Because I'm still not over it.
You're— you guys are actually in a script I wrote.
No way. Yeah, I don't believe it.
You did.
You literally did Real Bros, which we love Real Bros. You did the movie and we're like, oh man, if there's any way. And then there's a scene with— was it multiple podcasts? I think it was multiple podcasts.
No, it was just— it was— look, I'm sorry, all right?
I'm sorry. Who are the podcasters? I want you to go through one by one.
Was it Trevor Wallace?
It was Trevor Wallace.
Yeah, which— they're hilarious, but still, it was just—
it was—
it was like a little clip.
We're great at little clips. Yeah, that's all we do.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The next one, we'll make it happen. We'll make it happen.
I don't believe I don't believe it.
Look, it was a— it was 128 pages. We shot it in 11 days. It was really hectic. There's a lot going on, and I'm sorry, okay?
Do you have a, uh, a passion project, like one that you've been thinking about doing your whole life and haven't gotten around to?
Yeah, there's an idea I, I started writing like 10 years ago, um, that is starting to feel Like, we may have a financier, but I don't want to get— I don't like to get too excited about anything until it's like 100%.
Yeah, that's got to be one of the hardest parts of like your life is like, I— if I get a little bit of good news, I'm like, damn, this is awesome. Like, I remember when we— when we got— we— I think it was like 9 months it took from the moment that— that we were going to do a show with ESPN to when it actually happened. We were like, this is all— and it was so far away.
Yeah.
And like, obviously it ended up blowing up. Everyone knows that story., but we're like, yep, we did it. We're fucking—
we're the best. Yeah, it's—
it's—
it—
that is one of the hardest things because you— I've almost like stopped myself. I almost have not allowed myself to get excited. Mm-hmm. Because I'm so scared of being disappointed down the line. Yeah, we're like, you get good news and then it can so quickly just be like ripped away. Yeah, so I like would stop myself from even getting excited about things. And then what was crazy is by the time it ended up happening I like never even got excited. Yeah, because I was like, well, it's a yes, but we haven't shot it yet. And then we'd start shooting and I'm like, well, but it's— we shot it, but it hasn't come out. And then it came out and it's like, by the time it comes out, you're just like, I did it.
Yeah.
And there's relief, but there's— there was never excitement. So I've been trying to find the right balance of like allowing myself to be excited and then like allowing myself to be disappointed.
Yeah, I'm back in 2018 or 2019 Erica, our old CEO, she came up to us and she goes, great news, guys. Netflix wants to do Boner Dogs. And we're like, oh, fuck, that's awesome. They actually want to make this, make this animated thing. Like Jimmy was going to be the voice of the boner, maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We had a, you know, a great list of celebrities lined up to be different parts in it. So Eric was like, we're going to do Boner Dogs. They greenlit it. Like, awesome. Then just never heard any update after that. But I realized that the best part of making a TV show is the moment that somebody tells you they're going to do the TV show.
Yeah, because we didn't have to do any of the work.
Yeah, we did nothing. Yeah, like we successfully—
the hard part was coming. We got the, we got the juice.
We successfully like got a TV show greenlit and put in all that work and then never had to do— we never had to lift a single finger after.
So what happened with it if they said yes?
Who knows?
It was just, it was just a yes.
Yeah, they were just words.
I think, I think lawyers started to talk. The last I heard, she got on a phone call with like 10 lawyers, and then I didn't hear an update after that phone call.
I mean, from everything you've explained to us, we, we thought we had like done it. Yeah, we were mile like 1 of a marathon, not even.
We were like 100, first 100 yards of a marathon, but we still got to like slap the 26.2 sticker on her car.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we got out there. Yeah, and then we just immediately blew a hammy. As we were 100 yards down, actually down the road.
We should now— we should write a gorilla into Boner Dogs.
Oh yeah.
Well, you know, didn't you have Zac Efron loosely attached to—
oh yeah, we had a lot. And when people say we had a lot of celebrities, we, we had a lot of celebrities that we said we presented it to and they were like, yeah, I guess. So we didn't really have anyone except you, really.
I think briefly— I think we briefly discussed it on the movie that we just did, and I think I brought it up to him. And I think he remembered.
Okay, so Zach is still attached to it.
I think you can, you can, you can write him down. He's still loosely.
Fuck, yes.
Okay.
I got so huge.
I got that on there. Yeah, it was. We pitched it to Adam Sandler and he said yes. Right. And so that's what happened. So we interviewed KG and Adam Sandler when they were doing the Uncut Gems thing.
Yeah.
And so we pitched it to KG in front of Adam, just knowing that this would—
right, right, right.
Hear about it. And so Adam was like, yeah, yeah, it sounds fun. Let's do it. And then we thought that was all like, we're just a couple of guys talking on a podcast. 2 weeks later, our CEO is talking to Happy Madison about getting it done. They say yes. Netflix says yes. And then never heard from it again.
It just actually was—
it's the best TV show that was never made.
It just got lost in, in probably business affairs hell.
Yeah.
Every, every time it goes to business affairs, you know, they're going to be on vacation. They're like, oh, it's going to business affairs. I'm like, oh, here, here, here comes the email. They're on vacation for 3 weeks. Every time I go to a, like, a pool on vacation, I look around, I'm like, look at all these business affairs people enjoying their vacation.
All got their out of office replies set up. Yeah. It's just a series of emails talking to each other via out of office auto replies. Yeah. Yeah.
The also the auto reply when you're out of office for like one day, it's like, dude, just, just be—
No.
And also you have your phone on you.
You have your phone.
Yeah.
You saw the email.
And then you would still respond.
Yeah.
Right. But I just got this out of office for like 24 hours email. It's like unnecessary.
Yeah.
Just respond when you're back.
You just took a Friday.
I'm gonna— got that serious.
I'm gonna take a shit and then put my, my out of office reply. PFT Commenter's out of office for the next 15 minutes. Yeah, we're just taking a shit.
We're like an ice cream shop. We're out for 15 minutes. We'll be open back soon.
Be back soon.
Yeah, treating it like it's a gone for lunch.
Yeah, right, exactly, exactly. Um, all right, so everyone go watch Hawk on Netflix. Jimmy's the best. He's also on the, the book. Uh, which we just, we just told you you're on the, you're on the COVID of the book.
I'm honored.
I didn't realize I was on the COVID You can't tell the history of Pardon My Take without Jimmy Tatro.
Back jacket.
Yeah, back jacket. Yeah, no, but back jacket has, uh, let's see, it's good. Aaron Rodgers, Baker Mayfield, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Adam Morrison, Alex Caruso. You love Caruso.
Love Caruso.
Greg Olsen, foul ball guy. Wow, a lot of people. But you are, you, you were our first like entry into, I would say, Hollywood in a natural way where it wasn't like a one-off press junket, it was like, no, he just wants to come on.
And you guys were like hanging in, in like Venice.
Yeah, we had a house. Yeah.
I do have a question for you about Hollywood. And because we know some people, but we're definitely, you know, we don't spend any time in California at all. So we don't know the conversations people have there. What is the, what's the word around California and Hollywood about, about Jerry O'Connell? Like, what's the rep with Jerry? What do you guys, the famous actors say about him when he's not around?
I haven't, uh, I haven't heard too many— he hasn't been— I haven't heard too many conversations. Okay, about him.
Good.
Interesting.
Uh, I mean, I, I hear most— I, I, I hear most about him from, from you guys.
Yeah.
Okay.
Tooby's a growth engine. I don't know if you knew that.
Yeah, Tooby's a what?
A growth engine. He taught us.
Is he on Tooby?
Yeah, yeah, he's got a Summer's Last Resort.
Yeah, that's right.
I will say Tooby has some— they have some good movies.
It's a growth engine.
Like, they I'll search a movie and it'll be like, you could watch this for free on Tubi, and it'll be like The Godfather. Yeah, yeah, they got some, they got some classics.
That's how you grow that.
Yeah, that's it. That's Growth Engine 101.
Yeah.
Um, all right, Rowback question. rhoback.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. rowback.com, promo code TAKE. Zach, you ready? Zach does our last questions now.
Sure.
Okay, you met Zach briefly. Yeah, right before you got a little bit of a compliment off. We told you to back the fuck down.
Yeah, I was just, I was just saying I saw his Mountain Dew ad and I thought that cool.
Yeah, he just started complimenting the fuck out of you. You were just— you were in the torture chamber. Go ahead, Zach.
What's going on, man? I have a quick question. So we hear a lot from athletes about going back and watching tape, so I was kind of wondering, do you ever get in the lab and maybe go back to older skits and movies to see how your game's developed? And if so, is there one that sticks out amongst all the rest?
Wow, good question.
That is a good question. I would say every now and then like if I'm reminded of like a video from the past, or if like if I have an idea that's kind of similar to maybe like an old video or something, I'll like watch a couple similar videos to kind of get into the headspace I was in when I, when I like wrote those videos. Or because I think like with, with the YouTube videos, I feel like every single one of them, they're just on YouTube. I could always take those ideas and repurpose them into like like something in a movie or something in a show. So every now and then I'll go back and I'll be like, "Oh, that'd be like a line of dialogue that like, you know, maybe we said 10 years ago that would be— that could be funny in this thing." I'd say that would be the context. Or like if someone is like asking about, you know, like a video that I don't really know the context, but like if someone's like asking about something, I'll like find myself going down a rabbit hole of like trying to find something to show them Like, if I had to put together, like, if they're like, hey, what do you want on your reel?
You go back. That was a moment where I went back and watched some of them. And, you know, I'm not gonna lie, I'll laugh. Yeah, I'll laugh at some of my old videos. Yeah, nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, you got to. I absolutely see, like, the people will tweet me like shit from like 10 years ago, like, oh, that was pretty funny. It's usually funny.
Yeah, dude, I went on Twitter one time when I was like I just like went on like a Twitter scrub to be like, man, I wonder if I said anything that was like bad that I should like delete. And all I realized was that like I was on a fucking tear back in like 2017.
Yeah.
I was like, damn, you were, you were funny on Twitter back then.
Yeah. Funny guy.
I was just going through, I was like, damn, you were really just letting them rip on Twitter.
Yeah.
And now I just—
You turned your back on the internet.
Well, Twitter started to feel like I would like tweet funny shit and then like a week later I'd see someone make that as a video, and I was like, oh wait, I'm just like giving these videos, right?
You're just in a writer's room for everyone else.
Yeah, um, but then that's kind of the internet now. Like, there's no— and no, people don't even give a shit who came up with anything. It's all like trends. Like, you just do— and what is a trend? You're just doing exactly what everyone else did, and that's kind of how you like blow up on the internet right now. You just do the same video as everyone else.
Like, yeah, you just call it a challenge. Like, I'm doing the milk crate challenge.
Yeah, yeah, everything's challenging.
Milk crate challenge did wrong. That is pretty cool.
What was the milk crate challenge?
You just stack up a bunch of milk crates and then you try to—
oh, oh, people are getting like, yeah, really hurt, dude. People got fucked up. Yeah, that was bad.
No, it was awesome.
Remember the golf cart challenge?
That was awesome too.
What's that one?
You just run your friend over the golf cart.
Yeah, they're just hitting each other with golf carts.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was awesome challenge.
Yeah, like I didn't— we, we had to toe the line of being like, hey, we don't condone this because we don't want to have more people do it. But yeah, if you're asking me, am I laughing every time I see one? Of course I am.
Yeah, that milk crate one. I mean, there was always that moment where you're like, oh, here, here it comes.
Oh shit, it's not good. Hopefully they can do a full tuck and roll here.
Otherwise, the completion percentage on that had to be like below 10.
Oh, it was— yeah, it was like, I don't think I ever saw someone—
if anybody did it, they, they have to be like a Hollywood stunt Man.
Yeah.
Greatest, greatest person ever. All right. Well, Jimmy, always great to have you by, man. You're the best. Always watch Hawk. And we can't wait for this gorilla.
Yeah. Yeah.
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We now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is the champion golfer of the year. Ryan Fox, fresh off his win at the 4th Major, Berkdale, uh, this weekend. Can I— first of all, can I, can I call you Foxy? Because it's a great nickname.
Yes.
Okay.
Yes, it is. Yeah, I, I— Ryan feels far too proper.
Yeah.
All right, good. So Foxy, incredible performance, uh, the fact that, you know, came from all the way back after the first 2 days and win it on Sunday. No, no playoff off.
Has—
have you had a second to like sit down and be like, oh my God, I actually did this? Because it feels like a total whirlwind that happened and how quickly you did it. Have you had that moment of realization like, oh man, this is— this is what I did? I'm forever on the Claret Jug.
Yes and no. Like, it's definitely— it's popped into my head a bunch. Um, like, I was texting my mate, I woke up at 5:30 this morning like buzzing just thinking, what the hell has just happened? Like, I've just won the Open Championship. Like, it's like texting my mates at home going, like, what the hell is going on? Like this. I'm still in that mode at the moment. Um, you know, I've obviously got the Claret Jug behind me, so it did happen. Um, so like, yeah, it's going to take a while to sink in, especially the way it happened. Like, to, you know, obviously I was so far back going into Saturday and then go and shoot, yeah, major championship record, get myself in the last group on Sunday. And then I've never been in situation like that before, not anywhere near the pointy end of a major, and then go out and do that and play how I did down the last 6 holes, you know, birdie the last to win. Like, it's crazy. Like, I tried to put myself in that situation before at the start of the week, and I'm like, there's no way I'm dealing with that.
I've almost not tried to go back there now. I'm like, I'm not sure how it happened, but I actually felt all right during the whole process of it.
Yeah, so that was actually a follow-up I had, was like, was it actually an asset to you on Sunday that you had never finished top top 10 in a major before where it's like you're almost— you don't know the pressure you're supposed to feel because you just never have felt it, where it's like, I'm just gonna go keep playing my golf game, I'm not even gonna think about this.
Um, I definitely thought about it. I don't think it was that. I think it was more like, I have— this might be my only chance. Like, I might not be in this situation ever again. I don't know how I'm going to deal with it, but like, I'm going to give it a crack. I'll see what happens.
That's awesome.
Like, I, I said to my caddie like 6 holes in, I was like, I feel better than I thought I'd be in this situation. Like, I'm— I, I didn't— not that I started great, but I had enough good shots to kind of calm the nerves a little bit. I had a couple of solid long putts, I'd hold a couple of putts as well. It was like, oh, okay, like, this is— I'm still nervous, I'm— I've still got the heebie-jeebies, but I'm like, I can still commit to a shot and hit it and it's still going kind of where I'm aiming. And then Yeah, like, as we got further on the round, I actually started to feel, for the most part, more comfortable. Pretty much until the putt on 18. Like, the putt on 18, I was everywhere, nowhere at the same time. Like, I've, I've got no idea how I hit that thing straight. But, um, I, yeah, I actually felt pretty good. And yeah, like, I just took the theory, I'm going to try to win this golf tournament, and if it doesn't happen, well, you know, whatever. But I'm sitting on the right side of it now.
Yeah, you've said that you couldn't feel your hands when you stepped up to hit that putt on 18. What was it like to walk down 18 when you're, when you're walking up onto the green? Like, were you thinking about the putt you're about to hit? Were you taking it in? What was that like?
That was, that was the first time I kind of let, let me get out of my bubble. Like, I'd tried really hard those last 5 or 6 holes. Like, there was a lot of people out there. I could hear Fox, go Foxy, or Foxy lad. They seem to like that, that call a lot in, uh, in Birkdale. And like, I, I tried to almost ignore as much of it as I could. Like, just a lot of deep breathing in between holes. Like, just focus on what I can control and don't let the rest of it get to me. But walking down 18 was the first time, like, I actually acknowledged what— acknowledged what was going on outside of this little bubble I had. Like, this is— this was unbelievable, walking on 18 with that, that crowd. It felt like they were all behind me. And then, you know, like, I obviously knew at that point I had a putt to win the Open, and I almost lost it. Like, I walked behind the hole to read the putt and almost lost it at that point. Like, I was like, this putt is to win the Open, like, how am I even going to hit this?
And then I had to kind of like just take myself out of that and just be like, okay, take a couple of deep breaths, it's just pick your line and hit it. And I just got over the, over the ball going just get the speed right. Like, I don't want a 3.5-footer coming back to get in the playoff or do anything stupid there. Like, just try to get it on line, try to get it a good speed. Um, and, you know, lucky enough for it to go in. And then that whole experience after that, like, the crowd roaring— I roared as loud as I've ever roared, and I didn't even hear myself. It was that loud there. It was, it was crazy. Like, it was something I will never forget.
Yeah, the, uh, the last 6 holes that you played, I think I heard you say that you've never played golf that good in your entire life. It was— you were in the zone for that entire time. Is that a fair description of it? Like, you've never strung together 6 holes like that?
Yeah, I would say like Saturday's round was probably the best— one of the best rounds I've put together. Like, I didn't miss a shot basically on Saturday. But you go out there on Sunday, you know, I was a couple back with— with probably 3 back almost, with 6 holes to play. And I hit every shot like pretty much where I wanted to. Like, a couple of bad breaks on the one-off 15 was, was was pretty nasty. But, you know, I kind of didn't feel like I had a bad shot there. I just— if I was a yard further, it was on the green and I had a birdie putt. And links golf can do that to you pretty quickly. And that was one of the best bogeys I've made. But yeah, like, this— the second shot I hit into 16 was perfect. I thought tee shot I hit down 17 was perfect until it rolled into the bunker. And then, you know, I'm not going to play a better hole in my life probably than I played on 18. Like, I hit 3 perfect shots down there. There. I said to my caddie on the tee there, like, yeah, I'm going to be aggressive here.
I'm going to take this on and I'll live with the consequences if I don't pull it off. And, you know, it obviously worked, worked out the right way for me there.
Yeah, yeah, the 18, I, I loved it. I love that moment because it was like, you know, a lot of guys, they might not— they might play it safe, like, hey, don't lose this. You're like, no, I'm gonna go try to win this right here in regulation and not, and not go to, you know, extra holes and everything. So when you get up to that putt, I love your pace of play. I know it's been a lot, a lot of conversation. You, you, it's like awesome to watch because that's how golf should be played.
I agree.
Yeah.
So you, but on 18, did you, I mean, I guess that wouldn't be the moment to take a little bit extra, but it was remarkable to watch how fast you, you got up there and hit that putt.
Yeah.
Look, I mean, obviously I think the thing you don't really see is like when Sam's looking at his putt. I'm looking at mine, like I've done all my work on reading the putt basically before it's my turn. Like I've done it while Sam's getting ready and then obviously get out of the way of him putting. And then when it's my turn, like I'm ready to go. Like I don't see the point in taking any longer than what I normally would in that scenario. Like, and what, like in terms of the putt, like it wasn't a difficult putt, like it was was what, 12-foot? It was overall pretty straight. Like, it kind of went a little left early and kind of tried to go back the other way at the end. It obviously just hung on the left edge. The biggest thing for me was actually trying to execute and trying to just get myself in control of my emotions and everything else, because I— yeah, as I said, I was like everywhere, nowhere, like shaking. I had a few thoughts going through my head, and I was just like, take a deep breath, get the speed right, try to hit it online and see what happens.
And like 3 foot out, I was like, this has got a chance to go in. And it obviously crept in that left edge and the rest is history, basically.
Yeah. Yeah. As Big Cat was saying, like, you've never been this close to a major championship before, but you obviously did things to prepare yourself mentally for the moment should it ever arise, right? So like, looking back over, you know, the last few years of your life, you, you did do some mental training to get to this point, and then you just fell back on that, or or did it, did it match up in your head with what you had prepared for?
Yeah, look, I've— you, you prepare for it a little bit. Like, you know, you, you say, oh, I'm on the practice green, this putt is to, to win a major. Like, it's not the same as actually having the putt to win the major. Like, you can't replicate that. But like, you do all the work. It's more the work on like routines. And you do like the idea of breathing. Like, there was a lot of deep breathing, um, for me those last couple of holes. And like it sounds all cliché and it sounds kind of silly, but it actually works. Like, if you take a deep breath, you just kind of relax. And that was the only thing that, like, I could control. That you got to do what you can control. And that's, that's the kind of stuff you work on, you know, not in that situation, so that hopefully when you're in that situation, you can pull it off. And now I've, I've won a few times around the world now. Like, I've won a couple of big events in Europe. Obviously, Canadian Open last year was, was a big event. Like, I've been in similar situations, so you can draw from those as well.
But some, you know, Sunday especially was something that I'd never experienced. I didn't know how I was gonna, gonna go going in there. Like, I'd, as I said, I'd gone through everything in my head. Like, the night before, I was thinking, damn, I could have a Claret Jug tomorrow. I could shoot 82 and, and finish 50th, and I'd still enjoy the experience of being in the last group of an Open. Like, that would still been pretty cool. But yeah, now I can say I've been in the last group of an Open and I'm an Open champion. Like, that's, that's still pretty surreal, to be honest.
But yeah. And then after you make the putt, what's the process like right after you become Champion Golfer of the Year? How soon afterwards do you get the first cocktail? How quickly do we get to the celebration?
Uh, honestly, in timing, I don't know. Like, I got— obviously you got to go sign your card, so that's pretty important. You don't want to stuff that up. I was in a little holding room for a while. I got to speak to my family. Then you've got the whole presentation at the end, which— and you've got all the photos and stuff, so that takes a long time. And then I had like a presentation in the players' lounge with the RNA afterwards. So that's when I had my first drink, and I got to pour some red wine in the Claret Jug and have a little drink out of it. And then I didn't realize that we still had to go take more photos with the Claret Jug, so they tipped all the wine out. Out. So I was walking around with that. I ended up, you know, in the Birkdale clubhouse. Yeah, like, it was almost dark by the time I ended up back upstairs in the players' lounge with all my team, some friends, and a lot of other people I know really well up there. So like, it was a pretty long process from finish to actually getting to celebrate.
And then, you know, we sat up there, had some pizzas, There was plenty of wine, beers. Like, I'm a wine man, so, you know, the wine went straight into the, uh, the claret jug and we're drinking out of it and getting to take some photos, a few videos. I had to sign like 300 flags straight away. Like, got a little bit of writer's cramp going on. I was like, all I want to do is just have a drink and enjoy this. But like, that's all part of the process. And then we got last rites in there, basically like, if you guys don't leave now, you're not getting a lift home. So again, I've done no idea what time that was. It was definitely dark, so that's pretty late in the UK that time of year. And then we had a few people come back to our house in Birkdale. There was plenty of wine, plenty of videos that will not make the light of day. A few people very worse for wear. I didn't go to sleep. I was getting picked up at 4:15 to get on a flight to London and then back to Miami to see the family.
So I made a call very early on, like, I'm not going to sleep. I'm not going to be able to go to sleep anyway, even if I tried. So I might as well just push through. So yeah, I pushed through. Um, it was a pretty— I was a pretty sorry sight at the airport, to be honest, at 5:30 when we arrived. But I mean, that's, uh, like, that's the really cool stuff. Like, obviously, yeah, doing like down the stretch, and that's the— I can take a lot of pride in that. But like, the stuff that's really fun is the after and getting to share it with, with people that mean a lot to you. And I'm going to get to do a little bit of Yeah, and then going forward now, so I had a question about, uh, when you get—
when you get into— you win and then you get into a room where you can FaceTime your family. I, I was talking about a Monday show. It was a very— I, I have 3 kids and I thought it was very funny, humbling moment that your daughter was just like, when are you gonna be home? Like, well, like, we don't care that you just won this. You should have reversed it on her and been like, you didn't believe in me, why weren't you here?
Yeah, well, they did say to me on Saturday, like, Dad, can you bring us home a trophy? And I'm like, at that point, I'm like, yeah, I'll try. And then they got really excited when they found out I had two coming home because I've got the replica and the real one. So I've got two girls and like, yep, we've got one each.
So they're like, we want a trophy.
Yeah. So I get home and I get all the big hugs and well done. And they draw me a couple of pictures, which was cool. And they wanted to see the trophies and they get to hold it. And then 5 minutes later, they want to turn Rio, yeah, the movie on, on the TV so they can watch that.
Like, it's so fleeting.
Yeah, yeah. This morning I dropped them, they're at a little dance school in Florida, and it's like, you know, they just want me to drop it, drop them to dance school. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, it's cool. Although my oldest, who's 5 and a half, she's joking like, where's the wine, Dad? Is there any wine in the trophy?
Yeah.
So she obviously knows what's going on.
It's so perfect. But it's a good moment where you're like, yeah, I just had the, the best achievement of my professional career, and kids just like, are you gonna be home soon or what? Like, what the hell's going on?
It goes— it actually goes the other way too. Like, if you have an awful day, yeah, they don't care either.
True.
Again, if I go out and shoot 80 on Sunday and I finish nowhere and I feel absolutely awful about myself, they don't care. Like, and that makes you feel better. So it does go— it does go both ways.
That's good perspective. It would be very funny if your 5-and-a-half-year-old be like, Dad, you're striking the ball like get like, you're a bum.
It'll happen at some point, like they'll get old enough to actually understand it. But now it's just pure innocence, thankfully.
Yeah. And then, and then flying home with the trophies, I didn't realize that you had two of them when you're flying home. So did you, you check both of them and then they, or did they go in the overhead?
They went in the overhead. Um, I wasn't brave enough to check them, to be honest. I like, I don't want to be the person that loses the Claret Jug. I'm pretty sure BA didn't want the pressure of being the airline that could lose the Claret Jug. So like, I just, I, as soon as I went to check in, I was like, look, I've got a couple of things here that I probably need to carry on the plane, but will they fit? And she's like, what is it? I was like, well, it's the Claret Jug. She's like, what's that? I'm like, well, it's the Open Championship trophy, like the British Open trophy. She's like, oh, did you win it? I'm like, yep. So like, so yeah, she's like, okay, cool. Like, just here, here's your tag, take them on the plane and just talk your way on there. And that's what I did basically. Yeah, it was pretty, pretty surreal, to be honest. Just hold up the plane trying to fit those two things in the overhead locker. But it's, um, yeah, it makes a good story.
Yeah, we, we were talking also on Monday that, uh, representation matters, and, and you became a favorite of ours because, uh, this— the two of us have both suffered from kidney stones multiple times. But here's where the difference is, Foxy. You withdrew from a tournament, correct?
Yeah, with Jake from The Players.
Yeah, uh, we still podcasted when we had kidney stones.
Didn't miss a show.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
So we're talking how you guys did that. Yeah, you guys are, you guys are tougher than me. I was whitenapping a hospital bed for 3 days.
You did have surgery. We didn't. We just pissed ours out.
Yeah, ours were tiny.
Fashion way. But, uh, listen, thank you for letting everyone know that kidney stones, we, we can still accomplish great things even though We probably have poor diets.
I am very impressed with that. Like, I was— I could not function. Like, I was lying on the floor telling my wife to kill me multiple times.
Yeah.
Yeah. She probably— she probably thought about it too at one stage.
I was in the exact same spot. And then my kids were like, hey, do you— why do you have rocks in your belly? They just kept on asking me why I have rocks in my belly. I'm like, because I eat chicken wings and ice cream all day. What do you want me to say? Like, what am I doing?
It's a terrible experience. And the nurse told me— and I'm curious if you— if you've ever heard this. That it's a worse pain than giving childbirth. And I said, I said, I will never—
from a nurse too.
Yeah, I said, I will, uh, I appreciate you telling me that. That's probably something that I'm never going to tell a woman, uh, to their face, but I appreciate you letting me know that I'm tough.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, I was asking for every painkiller they could give me.
It's brutal.
Yeah, awful. And like, I, I thought I'd passed it on like a Tuesday night, and then it came back on a Wednesday, and I to the hospital twice, like Wednesday afternoon, and then they sent me out and then back on Thursday morning. And when I came back Thursday morning, they're like, yeah, you're not going to pee this out, we're going to have to shove something up there and blast it out. And at that point, I like— that seems awful, like, when you think about it now, but in the moment I was like, I don't care what you shove up there, just get it out. Like, it's— nothing is as bad as what I'm feeling right now.
Yeah, you had a buried lie, it was a fried egg in there. Are Are you going back to, uh, New Zealand? I know that you're in, you're in Miami right now, you're in the States, but are you going to New Zealand? Are you bringing the jug with you?
Yeah, I think that is our plan. We're still trying to figure it out, but I'm going to take 3 weeks off now, and it would be really nice to get back there while it's all fresh and share it with, like, you know, my mum and dad, sister, in-laws, everything are back in, in New Zealand. All my best mates, you know, I play golf with a bunch of guys for, like, getting on almost 30 years now back in New Zealand, like to share this with them, to go back and, you know, have a bit of a party, you know, drink some red wine out of the Claret Jug. I feel like it's kind of the right time to do that. So yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna try to do it and trying to figure it out. So obviously, it's been a pretty busy last 36, 48 hours or so. So yeah, it'll be nice to try to get back home to New Zealand, and I don't say chill out, but at least just kind of experience what what this is. Like, it's, it's pretty crazy, to be honest.
Now, when you get back, so your dad is a famous rugby player, really, you know, incredible rugby player, incredible career. Will there be a moment where it's like— because I would assume he probably wanted you to play rugby and you decided golf— would there be a moment where you can be like, see, Dad, I made the right decision, I'm, I'm the champion player of the year?
Not really. Like, I never had any pressure from Dad to do anything. I played rugby, I was I was, I was an idiot. I played the same position as him. He was a goal kicker. I used to kick goals. So all I got was direct comparisons and I was nowhere near the level he was. So like, I, I decided pretty early— well, not early, I was 18 when I decided golf was kind of going to be my thing. And he was always really supportive, give it a go. They're like, if you're going to do golf, we just want you to get a degree so you've got something to fall back on. So technically I've got a psychology degree from Auckland University, an arts degree in psychology from Auckland University. University, which is— no idea what that's ever done for me, but that was the one deal about playing golf. And yeah, Dad used to caddy for me a lot, so they're all really like— there was never any pressure to do it, but it's pretty cool to say like I'm the third generation of my family to represent New Zealand in three different sports. My mum's dad played cricket for New Zealand as well, so there's gonna be no pressure on my kids going forward at all.
No, it's pretty incredible. And even though it's a completely different sport, if, if I, I guess your dad was a fly-half, right? And he was also— so he kicked for goal. The process of setting up for a shot and doing the same thing every time, and like the mental focus that goes in every shot, actually not that different. Like, it's the same mentality that, that gets you there, and that probably helped out.
It did, yeah. I think I learned a lot from Dad. I mean, none of it was from a psychology point of view, it was all from an experience, and this is what I did. But the idea of routine and the breathing and like, like mental strength. Like, you know, you're kicking a goal to win a game. Like, he had to do that multiple times. Like, that's like standing on a lash trying to hit the fairway to have a chance to win a golf tournament. Like, it's the same kind of stuff. So I had that drilled into me, for want of a better term, like early on when he was caddying for me. Like, he was really good like that. So yeah, it was— I was pretty lucky to have that kind of heritage and that kind of support growing up. So it'll be nice to to take the Claret Jug home and be able to share it with, with them as well.
So yeah, so you mentioned your, your starting golf. You didn't really start playing until you were 18. When was your first lesson?
So I, like, I played golf. I was like a 2 handicapper at school, like 15, 16. But I was just, I was, I was your guy that plays his local course, can shoot 75 every once in a while, and go, you'd put me anywhere else and I can't break 80. And then looking back on it, it's a sport I probably love the most, but it took a while to figure it out. Like, rugby and cricket were my two main sports. Like, probably something you guys don't really know much about over here, but they're huge at home. Like, they're the main summer sport, the main winter sport, really. And, um, yeah, golf was just the one that I gave them. I gave up rugby and cricket and said, well, I need to do something competitive while I'm at uni. Like, I started a law degree and I hated that, and I was like, okay, well I like golf, let's try that. So I started getting some lessons, got down from 2 to scratch really quickly, played my first tournament, um, proper— like, I played a couple of junior tournaments, my local club and stuff, but my first proper tournament trying to be a golfer, and I was like, I love this.
And that was me done from there, basically. Like, that was what I wanted to do from there on in. And didn't turn pro until I was 25. I think I was a rookie on the DP World Tour at like 30, a rookie on the PGA Tour at 37, and Pretty crazy to say I'm a major champion at 39 now.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, one of the crazy things about if you're playing on the DP World Tour, and especially if you're located in New Zealand, like all the travel that you must have had to do to be on that tour. Did you ever get a chance to take a break? Like when, when did you get your moments to, to relax and, and chill out? Because that schedule's got to be crazy.
Yeah, like the DP World Tour was, was always busy through the middle of the year, and we were based in London for a while, which was quite a lot of fun. Um, we did like 8 years based in London for for the summer. And like, the English summer can be really, really good. And we always used to get out of there at winter and go back to New Zealand, and I'd do a little bit of travel from there. But I used to have a bunch of time off over Christmas and into January, and that was always a really good time to be back home. And it's been a little bit different getting used to being based in the, in the US, but you know, it's been a pretty good change so far. And we're going to be here for a little while yet now, which is pretty cool.
Mm-hmm. All right, so I know you got to run in a minute. So we got Hank here who's a big-time golfer, and then we also have Zach. So we have a couple last questions. Hank, go ahead.
Yeah, well, I was gonna say, I saw, I saw a video where you said in, in— I think it was high school or uni, I don't know which, which it was— where you just got to basically set up your schedule where you had the entire afternoon off and could just go sneak, sneak to the golf course across the street every day.
Yeah, so that was actually at school. So my— the school, high school I went to was backed onto a golf course, my local, my golf course I was a member at. And somehow my last 3 periods a twice a week were off, and that included lunchtime. So it was like 11 till 3, so the perfect time to play golf. So I used to put my golf clubs in the trunk of the car, change your clothes, and you used to just walk through a couple of bushes and you're on the 18th green. So I used to just walk across, go play golf. And then I remember our— we used to have a house system, so I had a housemaster, and I used to think I got away with it. Like, no one knew that I went and played golf twice a week for for 6 months. And he was like, I knew you did it, I just didn't care. Like, there was way worse things you could have been doing. You weren't harming anyone, so I just let you do it. Yeah, fair enough. That's, that's great. Yeah, that probably helped a lot too. Yeah, a lot of practice without— it was just, I'd never practice, I'd just go and play, and I loved it.
So yeah, like, yeah, it was just, it was, it was fun. And that definitely would have helped in development, even though at that time I wasn't really taking golf seriously at Yeah.
And then when you— obviously you get a lot— you were— there's a lot of talk about how fast you play, but on the tour, is it better? Like, do you get excited when you get paired with another fast golfer, or does that almost make it worse because you're both are going to be playing so fast and you're just going to be backed up the whole time? Would you rather get paired with someone slow to kind of keep the pace?
It's almost better getting someone slow. Like, Sam and I actually talked about that. Well, I play with Sam a bit And it's, it's always come up in conversation, like him and I paired together, he's pretty quick, like we're going to be waiting all day and you just know it. And it's just part of it. Like, yeah, I've just resigned myself to the fact that I'm going to wait pretty much most rounds of golf I ever play. And that's cool. As long as I can switch off in between shots, I'll just keep doing my routine. And that's what it is. Like, I can't, I can't do anything slower, basically.
I love it. All right, last question, Roback question, rhoback.com. Rowback.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. rowback.com. Congratulations, Foxy, again. It was an incredible tournament to watch. Zach, go ahead, last question.
How you doing today, sir? I did have a quick question for you. So 14 years into your career, you go into this tournament respectfully an underdog, you get it done, you become the Open champion. Is that more of like a weight lifted off of your shoulders, getting the major win, or is there like a pressure to now kind of go on a run and be like, well, if I'm hot, I gotta go now. Where are we?
Are we content?
Or—
I mean, I would say content, yes. Like, if you'd have given me my career right now— if you'd give me my career before last week, before I turned pro, I would have been pretty damn happy with it. A couple of PGA Tour wins, went on DP World Tour, have a long career. Like, I would have jumped at that. And now, like, yeah, like, I don't know what to think. Like, there's going to be I'm gonna have to sit down and kind of reassess, like, where do I go now? What do I do? But there's always going to be in the back of my head, like, I've won a major championship. Like, it does— like, everything else from here is gravy. Like, yeah, it's like, obviously I've got more stuff that I'd like to achieve. Like, playing the Presidents Cup this year, it was a big goal. Should be okay for that. Like, I'm looking forward to that. Like, there's a lot of cool stuff to look forward to. There's also going to be a whole lot more pressure on because there's going to be way more eyes on now than there ever has been, a lot more marquee groups and stuff.
So there's— I'm going to have to learn how to deal with all of that stuff. But yeah, like, go with the flow and see what happens. Like, it's, it's, it's something I always dreamed of doing. So like, if I'm not ready to deal with all the, the good and the bad consequences with that, with it happening, like, it probably shouldn't have been a dream really. So yeah, I'm looking forward to what the next stage of my career brings.
That's great. Do you still bench £300?
I haven't done it for a little while, but yeah, I reckon you give me, give me like a month of training, I'll get pretty close to it again.
Love that, right? That's a beast.
Do you miss getting hit? Do you miss the contact of rugby?
I don't miss getting hit because like, even though I'm a— I would say I'm a relatively big guy for a golfer, I was a small dude for rugby player, so I was on the receiving end a lot.
Uh-huh.
Yeah. All right, well, Foxy, you're the best, man. Congratulations again. That was so awesome.
And, uh, good luck the rest of the Thanks guys, thanks for having me on.
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Okay, let's wrap up the show. What do we got?
FAQs? FAQs.
Let's go. Just the facts, Henry. Hey, great Twisted Tea hat.
Thank you.
Great Twisted Tea hat.
Love Twisted Tea.
Keep it twisted.
What has been your favorite segment to record and what has been your favorite interview? Big new fan, Carson. Also, ease up on the Hank hate.
Oh, oh wow, that was added.
This sounds astroturfed.
I would not add that. I don't think you guys have been that hateful. No, recently.
Thank you.
No, we just state the facts and sometimes overly hate hateful. I think the facts hate you right now.
Yeah, you guys have been a normal amount of hateful.
Yeah, Tahoe.
What?
Tahoe's pretty hateful.
Well, I wouldn't say that's hateful.
Actually, you can argue the opposite.
Yeah, we miss our boy.
You can just say that.
That's how we lash out.
Every time I'm not with Hank, I miss him.
We lash out because we love you so much.
Yeah, I miss my guy. Fucking love my— I love my bros.
I love you guys too.
Hank got upset that I was rolling around with a Hank doll in Tahoe. He was a little bit triggered by that.
The Jalen Brown episode, you also went at him pretty hard.
But that's just facts. That's facts. You can't say facts are going at him. Jalen Brown got traded to the Sixers. That's a fact.
I just have— I've had a run of bad luck. Like Jalen Brown, bad luck. The flight to Tahoe, bad luck.
Live getting canceled, bad luck.
And then on top of that, PFT, just a weird guy. But that—
Hank was upset because I would— I had— I I had Tony Romo take a picture with a Hank doll, which I had in my golf bag to do promo for the Hank doll when we were on the course together.
But you took it out of— like, you went by yourself, like, I'm gonna go watch some of the tournament.
Yeah.
And you went into the bag, took out the doll, and basically you were carrying around a doll around the golf course.
Sorry for that.
I'm a company man.
Is weird. Trying to sell merchandise.
I don't know why that's weird, PFD.
Thank you.
Smart entrepreneur-ish, trying to move product, which, by the way, the product—
consider it moved.
Moved. Uh, the question— so, new AWL, by the way, the part of my book, uh, will have basically everything. They might be the death of FAQs, if we're being honest, because it has the entire history of Pardon My Take, and a bunch of our, uh, favorite guests write chapters. Favorite interview.
Hank dolls aren't even on sale anymore, by the way.
Oh, so you checked that?
Yeah.
Okay.
We sold out.
But like, why are you—
Good job. Good job, PFT. Because you want to increase demand, Hank. That way when we put them out, we do a limited release. They instantly sell out.
It kind of has you there.
Like, yeah.
Why, why, why does Lollapalooza have, you know, bus signs and all this stuff when it sells out instantly? It's to let people know like, hey, this exists. This and it's going to keep happening. They don't need— Lollapalooza doesn't need to promo every single week.
Also because it's a very funny doll.
And it's a funny doll.
It's a funny visual seeing Tony Romo.
It's fun.
Baby Hank.
You know what? Maybe I don't— I think the problem here is that Hank doesn't understand that the face that you accidentally sent us when you were working out that you meant to send to your family. Very funny picture of you.
Launch a thousand ships.
Then we put it on a doll and dogs are just destroying it.
Yeah.
Even funnier. Do you now understand?
I get that.
You got to flip this into a compliment, Hank. You got to, you got to be like, yeah, this is a good thing.
I'm down with the selling of the product. Like, I'm happy it sold out. I'm happy the company is making money. You being like, I'm going to go take a stroll by myself and let me make sure I bring my doll with me. It's just weird. That's— both things can be true.
That's a— that's fair. Fair counterpoint.
I thought it'd be a good opportunity. I was going out onto the golf course. There were celebrities that were golfing the Pro-Am. I thought it'd be a good opportunity to have somebody take a picture holding the Hank doll. And guess what? Tony Romo have his picture taken holding the Hank doll. Very good promotion for the doll. I was right. That isn't on sale, but it's generating demand.
Generating demand.
Yeah.
You got to remember the demand. By the book.
Yeah. To answer the guy's question. Yeah. There's a lot of really good interviews that over the years and it's like, if I were to point one out in particular, I'd be forgetting like 9 others. But the answer that we usually give is like the first time that we interviewed Chris Berman was incredible. First time we— That's a hard question that gets asked a lot that I really—
In 10 years have not like had a concrete answer for.
I usually go to the Blakes. I usually, when all else fails, just fall back on the Blakes. Bortles, Griffin, Brooks, all three being like, yeah, that was something different in its own, like all individually different. That was very cool.
SVP the first time in person.
Yeah.
Great interview.
It was great.
Bill Walton.
Hey boys, I'm curious if sometimes guests ask to hear an episode before agreeing to come on. And if so, which episodes do you send them as good representation of the show?
No, no, I don't think so.
It's actually funny. The only time sometimes we get guests ask what are the topics, and I don't think anyone does less work than we do when we say, like, so we'll be like, hey, what are the topics? We'll be like, sports, your career. Yeah. The time you hit that shot. And now that'll be it.
Yeah. Maybe send topics and then we'll toss them back their Wikipedia page. Yeah. If it's somebody that's like, like recently retired, we'll be like, what's new? What's in the next chapter for you?
Yeah.
In life.
And then we don't ask any of them.
No, the most generic possible examples of questions.
Josh definitely sends.
Yeah, no, Josh does a really good job of sending those. But yeah, the, uh, we, we, I don't, no one's ever asked to listen to an episode because they can just listen. They don't have to ask themselves. Someone we sent, I think people do listen. Oh, uh, here's one. Uh, Belichick.
Belichick.
That's when I was working with with Belichick's PR guy, who's awesome. He asked me, what should I send him? And I think I sent him like Harbaugh and Chris Berman. So yeah, that was, that was kind of like, hey, this is in line with what we're thinking.
There was, there was a time when like we didn't have any podcasts out for people to listen to. So like the very first Grit Week, we went on the road and we were going through Youngstown, Ohio, and we wanted to interview Jim Trestle. And what we had done is we set up a, uh, an email account coming from our guest booker who didn't exist at the time.
Mm-hmm.
And this woman's name was Stella Leroy, which is Big Cat's dog's name, and then my dog's name combined. And so we emailed Jim Trestle's office. He was the president of Youngstown State University. And then we just gave like a list of, uh, we wanna talk to him about punts. We wanna talk to him about Ohio State. Yeah. And Youngstown State University. We used to have to do more of that stuff back in the day than we do now. And Josh does a really good job.
And, and I would also say that one of the benefits of of being around for as long as we've been around and as established as we've been established that like I expect everyone who comes on the show to have at least some kind of understanding of it that we don't have to explain it anymore. And it's really like, dude, if you can just come on like Tony Romo is another great example where it's like we didn't talk to Tony before at all. And we just, I think someone probably talked to him and was like, hey, these guys bust everyone's balls. They busted your balls. If you can come on and fuck around with them, you will— it will be a good interview. And so I think most people, anyone who comes on who doesn't have that like baseline, it's like, well, that, that's kind of on them at this point.
Sup, Bald FT. Oh, big cunt. Oh, Mr. Hanky the Christmas Poo.
Oh, I'm not bald anymore.
Maxi Pad, Ballsack Zach, and Memes. Do you ever worry that Jerry's gonna cross the line on air with some dark web shit or go too method with it and send Hank Tiffany Gomez's tootsies in the mail? The guy is clearly insane and unstable, and Schepter should hire extra security.
All the time.
But that's why we love him.
Yeah, he's unhinged in a great way, that he's the chaotic evil— or chaotic good, actually. He's chaotic good, but it like— so it keeps you on your toes.
Yeah. When we open the door for Jerry to come into the house, we do so knowing that there's going to be a cleanup job. Hopefully it won't be like a complete renovation after he leaves, but we're going to have to shampoo the carpet.
One of my favorite things Jerry does is that he'll text me from time to time being like, is this too far? And it will be like a tweet that he's crafted. And my answer is always no, you do whatever you want. Like, I'm not— you don't work for us. You can say whatever you want, but probably 99% of the time he's already tweeted it by the time he asked me the question. So it's like I couldn't even answer if I wanted to, but the answer is always no. So yeah, Jerry is like a— he's like a beautiful wild horse. Sometimes he'll come over and, you know, give us a little like nuzzle and maybe let us feed him some carrots, but otherwise you gotta let him run. You gotta let him run.
Only a few people can ride him.
Yeah, because you can't— if you, if you try to, if you try to put that horse in a barn horn, you got problems.
You're gonna go out there, he's gonna run the same exact—
okay, hey, he's gonna come back.
Oh, hey, he's gonna get some water, then he's gonna go back and run the same, same trail.
I mean, Hank, is that what you said about Secretariat? Oh, he's just gonna go out there and run in a circle. I guess that's pretty impressive.
Hank, the horse has been running for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. Seems like they're doing something right. No, for sure, right?
It does crack me up that Jerry goes to like A-list Hollywood parties and he's hanging out—
oh, come on, Hank—
he's hanging out with, with celebrities.
And he's probably acting the exact same way with them that he acts with us.
Jerry Ziegler, yeah, he is on camera, off camera, there's— it's the same. We do Barstool Camp, it's— it was actually so much— I'm— that's what I'm looking forward to the most is sharing a bunk cabin with him because he's just— he makes you laugh constantly. Yeah, it's always just ridiculous. He's gonna walk around in his little underwear, half naked, just coming up to us talking, and he's got a great body, so I would do it too if I had a body like him.
He's actually— he always finds like a new best friend whenever he hangs out with Barstool Sports for like prolonged periods of time. Yeah, he discovers somebody new that he didn't know, and then he becomes like obsessed with them. So I'm interested to see who that's gonna be this year. Zach, give us the last question. Zach, you prepared for this interview?
Would you guys— would you guys no longer be invested into a romantic partner if they showed up on a second date with a shaved head? Head?
Oh, good question.
Did that happen to you?
No, just curious if that would throw you off.
It sounds like that happened to you.
It hasn't, but I was just trying to find one fast.
All right, now are they shaving because of, uh, because of like vaguely German ideology, or is it a fashion statement, or are they sick?
First date went really well, second date showed up fresh baldy. What are you— what's your game plan?
What's—
bald or shaved head?
Fresh baldy, like shining, glistening, oil it up. Yep.
Okay, so I think—
on guard.
If, if she's beautiful— if she's beautiful with a shaved head though.
Yeah, yeah.
Think about it, if she's beautiful with a shaved head, then she's going to be absolutely gorgeous when the hair does grow back out.
Out, out.
Maybe, maybe longer than one date.
Yeah, it was like a month or something, but the first day went really good.
Now, is she going to keep shaving it, or is it just like, hey, this is a one-time thing?
Lost a bet.
Lost a bet.
I'm in.
Yeah, because if she's gorgeous, then Well, no, that's just the fact that she pays her bets. Yeah, cool with that. Yeah, I like that. But it also feels like maybe there was a crime committed or something.
All open to interpretation.
If it was for a bet and she paid her bets, and I had— I'd have no choice but to continue dating this woman.
That's big.
So when did this happen to you, Zach?
Never happened. I was just trying to think of a question.
That's a good question on the spot.
Really good question on the spot. All right, uh, numbers: 70, 22, 14, 23, 0, 99, 86, 69, 85.
Here we go.
Machines sound a little slow today.
Yeah, that's not a good sound. No, no, that's like an ice cream machine sound.
There we go. Yeah, ice cream machines had a bad week.
24.
Oh, what'd you have?
You had 22, I had 23.
Ah, all right, one more, one more. Oh, oh, oh, 89.
Oh, that was 69.
Anyone?
No.
Is that it? That's it.
You got birthdays?
I do have birthdays.
Show.
What's that, memes?
Oh, memes definitely got one.
Nothing.
You, you just got one.
You just started Googling memes.
No, I didn't.
You just started Googling.
I didn't Google shit. Happy birthday to Garrett Wilson and Keyshawn Johnson memes. How about that?
Those are my guys.
Couple Jets. Happy birthday. You see the new Jets jerseys?
They're sick.
What are they?
They're just white.
Yeah.
You call that a livery.
I feel like the Jets lead the league in releasing jerseys that are the same.
Yes, they do. Happy birthday to Alex Trebek. RIP. Happy birthday to Woody Harrelson. Happy birthday to Monica Lewinsky.
Those are just Jets jerseys.
Jerseys.
Yes, there's nothing different.
Love you guys. Memes, were you sitting on one? No. Okay, you just were Googling. I was not Googling.
You're the Googler.
I'm not Googling shit.
Love you guys.
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