Transcript of NFL Trades, Raiders Dysfunction, Who’s The Next Sam Darnold? Roger Bennett In Studio Talking Soccer And World Cup + Fyre Fest Of The Week

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Let's go.

We're actually. We're going to do it spring.

And I was Saturday. I was wrong. It's spring forward. Yeah, I said spring back. That was a mistake. Spring forward, it's fallback. But it's this weekend.

We. We. It's always screwed up.

You do it, it's the weekend and then the next weekend. That's selection Sunday. Yes.

Hank, you ready to spring forward?

I am.

Yeah. You don't trust us?

Nope.

That's bullshit. It's gonna be the.

The.

It's gonna be getting sun setting at like 6:30 this time next week.

I. That's awesome.

Yeah, we're. We're there. We're here. Well, Max, why are you looking at me like that. You don't believe us.

No, I do believe you, but I'm just now real. Never mind.

Oh, time zones.

You're just now I have a flight.

I have a flight Sunday morning. So now I just realize I'm losing an hour.

Yeah, you got to get there an hour earlier because they don't. Airports don't do the. No, the airports switch it on Monday morning. That's a fact. Because they don't want to screw up anyone on the weekend.

It sucks that you have that. That's taking away an hour of bar time for you on Saturday night.

Yeah, no, I'm also thinking about that. That kind of stinks. But I am happy about.

It's time travel.

Yeah.

You're time traveling. Okay, boys, we got a lot to get to but NFL pre free agency. What offseason, what off season. D.J. moore traded to the Buffalo Bills for a second rounder. And then the Bears. So the Bears get a second rounder this year. They give also a fifth rounder next year to the Bills. I'm sad to see DJ Moore go a little bit because he actually did kind of. When you look at the history of DJ Moore in Chicago, he. He took a team that sucked in terms of wide receiver rooms. Made Justin Fields look pretty good at times.

Or make Justin Fields feel really good, feel really good. Like he loved Justin Fields.

Had some unbelievable moments this year, especially the packers walk off game in Week 16. Will always, you know, sit in my mind and some not great moments, but it doesn't matter. He was a good bear, but it was a. I love this trade. I love this trade. Because you clear up money. He's got a big, pretty hefty contract. So you clear up money to maybe go get a Max Crosby or a Linderbaum. You get a pick and you make the bet that Luther Burden and Roma Dunes are going to be taking leaps forward, which I'll make that bet with Ben Johnson.

Yeah. Roma dun. It feels like no more excuses for Rome now. Yeah.

And Luther Burton showed enough.

Yeah, Luther Burton was awesome. But you don't get rid of DJ Moore if you don't believe that Rome can step into that role. Yeah. And DJ Moore, when he's. When he's playing and when he's not doing bad body language, is an awesome player.

And he does do bad body.

He.

I think he's first team, maybe Mount Rushmore of current NFL bad body language guys. But when he's on like that game, the game against the commanders in D.C. where he had like 200 yards receiving probably should have had 400 yards y but the refs took away some for calls. Like he can take over games.

Yeah.

And so he's a really good player. I like it for the Bills too. I think that this is, I don't think he's going to be pouting too much with Josh Allen.

No, I, I, I think he's, he's perfect for the Bills because the Bills needed a real receiver and they also couldn't take the risk of doing it in the draft again because if he, if you, if you miss on a draft pick and you have Josh Allen in his prime, it's like, what the hell are you doing? So it's good for the Bills. It's I again a good for the Bears. As much as there's a small part of me that's like, is there going to be a moment during the season where it's like Roma Dunes A hasn't come on how I taken the step forward. Luther Burden wasn't as good as his, you know, rookie year showed. And it's like we're really could use a DJ Moore right now. Yeah, that could possibly happen. But again it's trust in Ben Johnson trusted Ryan Poles and now you have money to go get another player, whether it be Max Crosby, Linderbaum or someone else. And you have a second round, an extra second round pick which the Bulls have to be like, how did you do it? You got another second round pick. We have all the collect them all.

Yeah.

Chicago way.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's, I think it's a, it's kind of a win win. There's never a win win. Somebody got fleeced. So I think the only win win trade in the history of the NFL might be the McDuffie trade.

Yeah.

The one that just happened.

Yeah.

Where The Chiefs traded McDuffie to the Rams. The Rams don't give a fuck about first round picks. They got a great player and they still have their better first round pick from the Falcons. So they gave up their worst first round pick. They still have it for now.

For now.

They still have one first round pick from the Falcons. That's a top 10 pick. I think that to me is the first win win trade in the history of the NFL. This, this is close.

Yeah.

Because I can see like I could talk myself into it if I'm a Bills fan and if I'm a Bears fan. It's one of those things where it's like kind of a bummer but also big picture. Good.

It was, it's good. Big Picture you had to make a move like this. The, the reason why it's. It the, the contract of DJ Moore is, is the big thing here.

He.

I think he's owed. He's like $28 million a year, which is a lot. And you got two guys playing wide receiver on their rookie deals that you hope can be good. I will miss DJ Moore. Like he did have kind of a knack for the big moment, the packers game. Like I talked about actually both, both the packers wins because he had the game winning touchdown against the packers in the playoffs. I won't miss some of the pouting. But again, I also was never. DJ Moore got a lot of shit. I was always kind of on the side of like I think he, I think he's better than people realize. And I'm happy for DJ Moore that he got traded to a good team because last year with the Bears was his first winning season in college or professionals. So he, he went through a lot of shit to get to finally be in the playoffs and play for a winning team. If he had then gotten traded to maybe the Raiders, that would have probably been a bummer for DJ Moore. He's going to a good situation. Josh Allen and he's gonna, he's probably gonna light it up.

His. His touches got. His targets got reduced because of all the weapons because of Colson Loveland. I guar. I bet you he's gonna have big time numbers this year with the Bills and that's part of the like I, I have no problem with it.

Guess what? Josh is going to force the ball to him.

Yeah.

Josh is going to make sure that he's happy because finally they have, they have somebody that can make a play.

But he's gonna put the ball in

DJ Moore's hands and he can go.

He could have a thousand yards and like wow, he wouldn't have had a thousand yards in this Bears offense.

He's also.

Guys there are.

He's also the king of like he gets tackled on a play and then you think he might be out for the season. Yes. And he's back out on the field two plays later.

Tough as.

Very tough.

Toughest.

He has like nine season ending injuries every season.

Yeah. So you mentioned the rams, the Trent McDuffie trade, which are the Rams just doing it correctly. And we all think about it wrong that like we, we think about how important first round picks are and they have been consistently good. And I know they only have one super bowl to show for it, but they've been consistently good.

Well, they've got an awesome head coach and they've got a Hall of Fame quarterback for sure.

But that was also parting. Part of that was trading first round picks.

So here.

Right.

Fun stat. They drafted Jared verse in the first round.

Yep. In 2024.

Before Jared verse, who is the last guy that the Rams drafted in the first round?

Jared Goff.

Yes.

Has to be.

Jared Goff is the last guy.

But seriously, they basically say, hey, instead of taking a risk on. And I actually think the Jared Verse one. Because what was Jared Verse drafted? Was he nine? I can't remember.

I know his number is eight.

His number is eight. So how I should actually put it is are the Rams doing it correctly? Not that draft picks don't matter. Draft picks outside of the top 10 don't matter as much because I think that was the telling thing where Jared Verse. Oh no, he's 19th. So that, that throws my whole theory out.

I just, I just think that if you have Sean McVeigh and you have Matt Stafford, then you're able to do a lot with that.

But they were doing it before then.

Yeah.

And they also did it to get Matthew Stafford. So it's like they basically have realized. I, I do. I just, I'm always interested in sports when there's one team that's doing things differently. You know what I mean? Like the, they're, they're. Everyone is trying to hoard draft picks and be like, draft, draft, draft. How do you build a team? You get a, you know, rookie quarterback on the, on the rookie deal. You have a five year window and the Rams are. Seem to be doing the exact opposite where they're like, instead of taking risks on a bunch of 21 year olds, let's get the known commodity knowing it's a crapshoot and just keep punting that down the line. Being like, we don't care. We'll just get the really good players that we know are really good players.

It's also a very dangerous strategy for teams that, that don't have their. Together.

Yes.

Because you, you'll see like the Rams will be successful doing this. Then other teams will be like, we should try. The Rams don't care about first round picks. So now I'm just going to trade for a bunch of veterans every year and then it just, it's a disaster.

I think the difference too is that. So a lot of teams have had these type of trades where they've tr. I mean last year the, you know, Green Bay packers trading for Micah Parsons. So teams take these like singular Shots at big players. The Rams just do it every year. So I think it's.

They don't get scared off by.

Yeah right there. It seems like less need has a formula of every single year. We know how much the rest of the league covets first round picks. It's maybe the market hasn't corrected, it's overvalued. So we can then go get an awesome player in Trent McDuffie for our first round pick.

So 2017, they traded to the Titans to get up and get Jared Goff in the first round. 2018, they trade their first round pick to the Patriots for Brandon Cooks.

What pick was that?

Don't know. 2018, they trade their 1st round pick to the Patriots for Brandon Cooks. 2019, they trade their 1st Round pick to the Falcons for more picks, extra picks. 2020 and 2021 both those first round picks went to the Jaguars for Jaylen Ramsey. 2022, 2023 both those first round picks went to the Lions with Goff to get Matthew stafford. And then 2024, they finally used a first round pick on Jared Goff.

Yeah, I just. Oh yeah. So here's. Here's what the picks would have ended up being. 2017 Corey Davis. He's not in the league anymore, which I always thought he was going to be awesome. Western Michigan 2018 Isaiah Win. He wasn't very good.

Right.

2019 Killed McGarry. 2020 Chase on 2021 Travis Etienne. 2022 Louis scene who's bit out of the league I believe.

Yeah.

Or maybe he's. But I know the, the Vikings moved on from him. Paris Johnson there. It seems like whatever they, whatever teams have picked in the Rams spot have

not gotten guys they just know. Yeah, maybe the Rams know like hey the guy that's slotting to us right now actually sucks straight out.

I just, I, I'm always fascinated. Again, it's. You can't say definitively like the Rams are doing it better because oh, he's

on the Eagles or whatever actually played.

Yeah, he never actually played. So that was. But you can't say definitely they're doing it better than everyone else because the only one. One super bowl. But outside of the one year where the wheels fell off because of injuries, they're in it every year. So they're doing something right.

Super competitive. I do think that this is a win win trade. I think that the Chiefs are happy. Yes. Obviously McDuffie is a great player but getting, getting back a first round pick and the other picks that they got for it too, like that's a. The Chiefs have a lot of holes.

Yeah.

And the Chiefs have to do kind of like a, a full rebuild. And then the, the Rams getting a great player while they're still in the

super bowl win and still having a first round pick.

And still having the Falcon thanks to the Falcons. They've got a great first round pick.

Yeah. Stefan Diggs being cut. Hank.

Yeah.

Money saver. Give him a. Give him a chance early before free agency. He was a good leader. Good player.

I guess. I don't know.

Sad to see him go.

Tough couple weeks. He got engaged, lost the super bowl, dumped, fired. That's rough.

Yeah.

Heart goes out to him.

I feel like it's one of those moves that it's a. Probably a fine move as long as you then get someone. You have to get someone. Yeah.

And he was in like in like six days. It was going to be a six million dollar hit, so.

Okay.

That's why they did it.

Yeah.

It makes sense.

Who do you want besides A.J.

brown?

Which, which how he has said definitively it's going to cost a one. Yeah.

No way the Eagles are trading AJ Brown unless it's a one. And even then I don't. He doesn't think it's likely.

Okay.

No way. Anything less than a 1, they won't do it.

According to Adam Schefter. I can pull up the. I can pull up the exact quote if you like.

I wish they would just do all the trades and all the free agent signings in like a one hour window because I don't know. You. You guys are probably dealing with similar.

Your.

Your specific team's Twitter fan base. Like people I follow in Bears Twitter just every night being like, keep your cell phone close. Everybody eyeballs emoji. I'm like, is Max Crosby. Is it gonna happen? Is it gonna happen?

Johnson eyeball emoji.

Yeah. To Max Crosby.

Yeah. The.

Was that.

Is that tampering? That should be tampering.

I don't know what tampering means, but

it's just always like you're.

If you're like the, the ownership. If you are the head coach of the team, you can't like reach out and talk to another player.

I don't know.

I saw that and I immediately bet on Max Crosby. The Eagles on the draft, like Big

Dom, for example, is not allowed to reach out to Max Crosby as a part owner of the team.

Partner.

That would be, that'd be an actionable offense if he did that.

I don't believe there's a chance in Hell, that the Eagles would move A.J. brown. Unless it's, unless it included a first round pick. Even then, I don't think they're all that interested in moving on from him. That is a quote from Adam Schefter.

Schefter's just dropping bombs everywhere. He went on Waddle and Sylvia Day said that he doesn't think the Bears will Max Crosby. Okay. Womp, womp. That sucks. But wouldn't it be, would it be very NFL to be like, hey, you know what? The Sunday before conference championship weeks, the Sunday before Selection Sunday. So this Sunday from noon till 10pm all signings and trades have to happen and we just treat it like an NFL Sunday. And we just sit, we sit down and we just maybe make all the GMs be in one room and they have to go up and announce it and we just sit in and have an NFL Sunday.

If they do it like the draft where you go out on stage.

Yeah.

And you announce it. And every five minutes there has to be a trade.

I do it.

NFL will watch or signing every five minutes.

Yeah.

And if there's not, Roger Goodell, like starts finding you. Yeah.

And I like the idea of like people running to the.

Yes.

Like I'm, I'm signing him first.

Yes. We. It would be a spectacle. Imagine just getting juiced up for an NFL Sunday even though they're not playing football.

And they have to have like at least 10 of the signing bonus in cash in a suitcase that they then award to that.

Now we're talking Mr. Beast live. Maybe, maybe Mr. Beast hosts it. So it's like, you know, who's, who's the biggest free agent signing that's going to be this year? Like who's, who's.

I think I show speed. Should, should host it.

Nobody knows I show speed, but let's just say, let's just say Max Crosby is a free agent. And they're like, Max Crosby comes up and Mr. B standing there, he's like, you just signed a 40 million dollar deal and with one coin flip you can double it.

That'd be good.

And, but like we just play those

games and if my guy actually doesn't try to double it, then I end up not signing.

Yeah.

You're like, yeah, you don't have, you don't have that it factor. You don't have belief in yourself. I think, I think Alec Pierce is about to get paid too. I think the market on Alec Pierce is going to be crazy.

Patriot.

Possible Patriot.

I think he's gonna stay with the Colts Michael Pittman.

Then we'll get possible commander.

I think Alec Pierce is going to stay with the. The word is that he and Daniel Jones love each other.

I think. I think he likes money too. And he hasn't gotten paid for sure. So if they're able to offer him, he's going to get paid. I hope he gets paid too.

Yeah, definitely.

For sure.

For sure.

Okay. Any other football related thoughts?

Anything?

I got a lot of football related.

Yeah, we all do. But like anything all the time. We're going to do our. Our QB rankings for free agents and the next Sam Darnold, but is there anything else? Oh, Miles Garrett got a speeding ticket.

Oh, you think?

I like that.

That's good.

That's good again.

Yeah.

Good for him. Giving back to the community. Get paying fines in Cleveland. Yeah, he's probably. He's probably built a school like everyone gives LeBron James all the flowers in the world because he built a school in Cleveland. And Miles Garrett has sped enough times to pay for a school and nobody says about him. Yeah, thank you, Miles Garrett for everything you do in the community.

Our guy, Ohio State had a funny. He said that Miles Garrett is still trying to get Kirby Smart's attention from. From Georgia. Not offering him. Yeah, Just kidding. I think it's the seventh speeding ticket. Stop speeding. Miles Garrett, he probably has really fast cars. Probably really hard.

It's just be safe.

Yeah.

To speed. But do it safely.

Yeah.

So we had a.

There's a debate that is debate sparks like intensity back here.

Okay.

I won't say which side anyone is on, but I will ask you the question. Big cat, you're the only one who has not been prior informed with this question.

Okay.

Who do you believe is more famous globally right now? Right now? Who is more famous globally? I show speed. Donald Trump.

Donald Trump dancers. Donald Trump.

What do you guys know debate to be in beer.

This is exactly like when we had the debate about John Summit versus Ludacris.

It's not. It's not even close.

There's one person in this room that believes that it's. That Ishowspeed is more famous than Donald Trump around the world.

How? Zach, I'm just here for fair and impartial debate. I'm not saying one guy thinks one thing, one guy thinks another. I do think that I show speed is globally more famous than Donald Trump.

How many people think in Iran know who ishowspeed is?

I think. I think a lot of. I think a ton of people in Iran know who Trump is for sure.

I think all of them.

This is a hot. Yeah, it's a hot week for Trump and Iran. Iran, Yes.

I think 50 less people than yesterday.

Yeah. But a lot of people do.

That's a super sensitive thing. That's a. I mean, that's a great talking point there. I think a lot of people in Iran also knew who ISO speed is.

So I think that if you look around the world, everybody, like in the demographic of like 12 to 16 or 12 to 18.

So I know, like, you might be.

You might be. Right. But there's a lot more people that are not 12 to 18.

I think it's like between the ages of 5 and like 37 is 4. Makes up 48 of the globe.

But.

And I think overwhelmed majority of them definitely know who speed is.

They also know who Trump is.

Yes.

Think about America. I think every single person in America

knows you're biased because you're American.

We're in America. I understand that.

And I understand that. But that's a big country.

Yeah, that's a huge country. Before talking the globe also, like, they teach Trump in all sorts of schools and talk about, like, it's globally as well. Yes. They definitely talk Trump outside of the usa.

Right.

But for every textbook open talking about Trump, there's a cell phone in the bottom corner with ishowspeed video.

They're not teaching me.

Not every kid has. Has a cell phone, though.

That's true.

Not every country has Internet. But the countries without Internet know speed, too.

But they also.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. How. How do you know ishowspeed if you don't have the Internet?

So I should speed travels these countries. He'll go live and you'll see crowds of hundreds of hundreds, if not thousands of people behind them. They know speed, but I've got some videos.

Those are countries that don't have the Internet.

They don't have the Internet, but they know speed. Or they have dial up. They have slow Internet.

You might be winning me over. No, I think, I think everybody in the United States knows Donald Trump. I think every, like half the country of China probably knows Donald Trump. You're also saying that, like Australia, Brazil, everybody in Brazil knows Donald Trump.

Do you know that Donald Trump is on their, their cell phones too? Like you do this cell phone textbook thing.

Yeah, definitely. Trump's on there.

Yeah, he's on the phone.

Yeah, they're both. They're both on phones or both on Instagram. Instagram's a terrible metric. Speed does have more followers on Instagram. Bad metric. Terrible Metric. Terrible metric.

He surely does.

But Trump also has so many people that hate him, that are following him,

and so many people that aren't on Instagram that know who he is.

Like, If Trump has 45 million followers, he probably has 45 million haters.

Would we say.

What are they don't follow him, but they still know.

Profession is social media.

No, but what are our thoughts on soccer as a sport? How big is that?

It's a big sport.

Pretty big. Would we say Cristiano Ronaldo is maybe, like, one of the biggest names in the world?

Yeah.

Would he compete with Trump?

No, because Trump won the first ever FIFA Peace Prize.

Yeah.

Which is the most prestigious award in soccer.

Outside him taking that trophy to the crib, would we. I mean, Trump or Speed, straight out the Ronaldo pipeline. Well, if you know the message Ronaldo debate, you know, speed.

He's stamped by peace.

He created that.

No, but he's. He's a figurehead of the Ronaldo debate side in that argument.

He is a.

He's become a.

We would call him a Ronaldo Dick Rider.

Okay.

No, he's a colonel in that army.

But how does that make you saying that?

If Ronaldo has, whatever, 200 million fans and Speed has 200 million fans, but

it's more like Ronaldo's way more than 200 million fans.

But still, whatever he's saying, that. That all goes to Speed, which.

I'm just saying, if you know Ronaldo, there's a 95% chance he knows. No, I think so.

I know. I think there's a lot of old people that know Ronaldo that have no idea what streaming is.

Oh, definitely. I think. Well, speed transcends streaming.

How?

He's an athlete. Like, he'll show. He'll show up to your country. He'll race.

He's streaming that. But he's not an ass.

He's like a pretty good. He's pretty athletic, but he's a very athletic guy as far as guys go.

People don't know him as an athlete that don't stream. Like, there's no one's like, oh, I show speed. Is he an athlete? No. They're like, he's a streamer who does athletics.

I think he might be an athletic guy with a cam on, too, that you could look at it both ways.

But he's not like Ronaldo, where it's like, if you watch sports, you know who Ronaldo is. If you watch sports, you don't know who I show speed.

I think if you watch soccer, you know Speed.

No.

A lot of soccer fans do, but, like, if you watch soccer, they're doing. Trump is.

If you're doing, like, a pre show for what? Like the World cup, will we consider that a big sporting event? Yeah, if they're doing pre shows for World cup, they're inviting.

Speed was literally invited.

He was at the FIFA. He was opening.

He was at the Trump Kennedy center. Was getting the first ever. I think you're kind of forgetting this part, Zach.

Yes.

He is the first and only recipient of the FIFA Peace Prize for accomplishments

in the field of peace. That's good to know that FIFA is familiar with Trump and Speed. Yeah, that's huge for both of them. Like I said, Trump's a huge name. Transit. He's a global name. Right.

What I'm hearing, though, is that if Trump decided to start streaming, he could put up some numbers.

I says Donald Trump is significantly more well known than. I do.

Feel like that's American AI you're looking at.

Is that rock? No, I'm using Microsoft Copilot. It says significantly, significantly more well known. Yeah.

You guys familiar with that? Anime or manga?

I'm familiar with those words.

So One Piece is a manga series. The biggest manga series of all time as far as, like, sales goes. He bridges the gap between soccer and manga, soccer and anime.

Okay.

We're just talking about two massive audiences that all know Speed.

Okay. Trump kind of bridges the two massive audiences of the nation of the United States and the nation of China and also the nation of India. And also everybody in India knows him too.

Every huge thing. Do you think who knows Trump more?

Who?

If you go Mexico.

Okay.

Do more Mexicans know Trump or ishowspeed?

I think. I think a lot of people Mexico know both of them for sure.

Think so.

Oh, did you hear what I think? I think someone who knew. Knows Trump just passed away and some. Oh, and a kid just clicked a Speed video.

Oh, okay.

Demographics changing.

Ever changing.

Got it. Oh, wait. Oh, I got an update. A kid just passed away because he was looking at his phone. He got hit by a car while watching a nice show. Speed Video.

Rest in peace.

Yeah, it's really sad.

Maybe we reach out to Speed, see if he covers a funeral. Woody, I have no idea.

Who do you think? Canada.

In Canada. Who knows Trevor Speed. I'm trying to find the.

This is not a touchscreen.

I know.

That's my bad.

What are we looking for?

Canada. This is crazy.

It is crazy.

Zach, do you think you have a bias? Do you are a streamer?

Oh, no, I Think Trump is huge. I think Trump's massive. I'm just saying.

Well, he's perfect. He's the same weight as Lamar Johnson.

Is Trump bringing out this kind of crowd? Kenya, these are people on the streets every age. This demo is everywhere.

So much of that is a crowd of. I show speed fans how much of it is. It started as a few people, and then they're like, oh, shit. A crowd.

I think this is like, oh, my goodness. Speeds in Kenya, speed transcends streaming. The demo of people in this crowd right now age between 12 and 55.

Zach, do you.

12 and 75.

But this is a country that has, like, Kenya has the Internet. They've got. They're a developed country.

Yeah, for sure.

Access to the Internet everywhere.

Yes. I just want to show some crowd work some people, some boots on the ground.

Okay.

This is just speed going Ronaldo's house.

You're making it sound like we're speed haters, which I don't want to put myself in that camp. I don't want to sound like I'm just. I'm trashing the guy.

No, I don't think you're hater whatsoever. We're just talking numbies.

Yeah. Just strictly from a data.

What are his.

What.

What are his videos? Get how many. How many watches? Give me an average watch.

Quick pull.

Yeah, is he. What's his main thing? Is he on YouTube? What is he on?

He's got 37,000.

We did watch him.

Right now you have 30, 000 people watching you do fast food.

Eating.

Yeah, we were eating. We were eating the. Doug, Doug, that's.

That's fair. But this is just him kicking in his bedroom with his brother. You guys did assemble the Avengers.

Okay.

Which. It was good group.

It was not the Avengers.

It was fun.

I felt like the Avengers. I enjoyed watching that. I was really envious. That was so much fun.

YouTube's not his number one platform. It's Twitch, right?

I would say he streams. YouTube is probably the biggest platform.

Oh, so then this is a blowout. 30. Come on. What was it? What were the final views on? Is one of his streams and his last stream? 3 million. That's incredible.

Number 16.

Incredible numbers. Come on, Zach. I'm just saying it's incredible numbers, but come on.

I think globally, like, it's a little bit skewed here in the United States,

but globally, I don't think that you understand that people know who Donald Trump is outside of America.

Trump is huge.

You just are. You're. You know what you are you're wowed by the fact that there's like, a crowd in Kenya for speed or a crowd in China for speed. Those are massive countries.

Yeah, that's true. We're talking Zambia, Indonesia. Every country in South America.

Yeah.

Globe. Oh, we're just talking globally.

Yeah, but like, if Trump rolled up to.

To.

Yeah.

Like, tomorrow and he was wearing the outfit, he was out there with Modi

and he's like, I'll race anyone.

Yeah, a crowd too massive.

But that's the thing. It's not even. It's just people. He has so many haters as well. But those people also know him.

They know who he is.

They won't show up to his. They won't show up in, like, the crowd. In the crowd. But it's like, oh, yeah, I know Donald Trump.

Yes.

Everyone knows Donald Trump.

Trump's huge. Speed might just edge him out just a little. Like, Trump's so big. Trump has. Trump sells shoes, watches.

But it's just a tiny. Like, you're not talking bl.

No, it's. It's. Oh, Speed beats him out fractionally.

Let me ask you this. Has. Has Speed ever had any success, like,

selling a Bible, spoken word?

I don't know.

Speed gets in that bag.

Has he ever had any success? Like, has he started university?

University. Not sure.

How many buildings is Speed's name on again?

Not sure if he's on any architecture at all. Listen, I don't know if he sells shoes or watches either. Trump does both of those things.

I stakes, too.

He is good at playing to the core, but I think. I think Speed's core might be bigger.

Oh, here's. Oh, here's an article that hurts your case.

There's a lot of those.

April 13, 2025. Internet icon speed meets Chinese celebrity Trump impersonator. All the people who are watching Speed that day are like, that's Trump. Yeah.

Wait, wait. Do you think that Donald Trump would ever, like, hang out with a Speed impersonator?

I don't know. They did invite Speed to the White House.

Maybe Adderall. He'd hang out with Adderall. Yeah. No, I don't think that that's.

I think Big Cat used in your argument that they. That's Trump's house.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I think he went on, like, his third invite.

Or like, you're like, yeah, they invited Trump or they invited Speed to Trump's house.

Yeah.

That makes Speed more famous than Trump.

Yeah, he's just checking out his house.

That was like.

I think that might have been the second or third invite, though. I don't think he went on the first one.

I liked. I like that you're taking it. I. I need more Zach takes. These are good takes to just throw out there. Whether it be right or wrong. This one is very wrong. The takes. It's part of my take.

If I were to guess, I would. I would say that I think 3 billion people know who Donald Trump is. Yeah, maybe. Maybe four. Maybe four.

Maybe more.

I think speed might have 4.1, dude.

4.1 billion.

I think I'll give you 4.1. Just for sake of. Of argument, that's that so.

That's so many. Do you know how many millions that is?

All of them.

That's like 4,000 millions.

It just happened again too.

Oh, somebody else died.

It did.

Taylor Swift.

Why do you keep killing Trump supporters right now?

Zach, what's up?

It sounds like you're. You're taking. You're just taking joy at announcing that.

No, no whatsoever.

I don't.

I'm not even pro death.

We're just data, Zach. Taylor Swift is bigger than I show speed. Yes.

Taylor Swift bigger than speed. Globally, music. I mean music transcends everything.

Yes.

This was pretty big. She is. This was pretty big. But also it's just like Travis Kelsey also big.

Right?

That's a tough.

Like those numbers are.

Copilot said Taylor Swift is far more globally famous than I show speed. When you look at overall reach, we might not be.

We might just be early here because it just happened again.

Is I show speed not wrong, just early.

Is that show speed even the most famous streamer?

Yeah. Who's do Mr.

Beast or just any streamer? Just to you.

The most famous, most famous person in the world. I think Mr. Beast is outside of this argument. He's the biggest in the world. They transcribe his videos in 60 different languages.

He does.

Yeah.

I know he's got a team.

We could do that and say we're. We transcribe.

Mr. Beast has become the lottery for the world.

Kaisernet is the biggest streamer.

Kaisen has a streamed in five months he's out here like Zambia. You know what I mean? There's levels.

Oh, xqc.

Nah, xqc. Super niche. Super niche.

What about Ninja as far as globally?

SGC is massive though. He's massive.

Okay.

Ninja. I like his takes on kickers.

Yeah. Ninja just talks lions with his brother now.

Okay.

Yeah, they just play. No build and they just talk lions ball.

Good try, Zach to watch. Good, Good try. Good effort.

We can agree Trump and Speed Both huge, right?

Yes, very. Yeah.

No, well, no, actually I must say speed huge. Trump massive.

Both massive is one will it's one have more. More time to increase and one has less time or I guess infamy. I don't know.

How does this work? Zach? Are huge.

You have.

It sounds like you have a parasocial relationship with Ishowspeed.

No, I mean we're that.

Are you in the chat? Are you in the chat for ISHO Speed?

I'm in a lot of chats. Pft.

What are you. What are you commenting on the.

I've been in the chat. I'm. I'm not usually in a speed chat.

No, give me, give me an example of one thing that you have commented and I show.

I don't think. I don't think I have a chat log in. Speed chat.

I don't believe.

I just see the clips on speed.

Okay.

Okay.

But you're a die hard speed fan.

No, no. I mean not. We're talking freak. We're talking data today.

Okay. Okay. It sounds like you're personally attached. No, no.

A little Trump's massive.

A little bit.

Trump's huge button.

He sells watches just a little bit less than shoes.

Just a little bit less.

Oh yeah, the shoes. I forgot about the shoes.

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I'd say this is the last show we're gonna have for three weeks where there's not a ton going on because we are right before free agency.

I call this the spring bump.

Yeah.

About to hit.

We're right before free agency. We are right before March Madness in the tournament. And then. Yeah, then we're off and running. Actually, I actually might take that back. This might be the last show. Not a lot to talk about until like July, I'll tell you.

I'll tell you why I think legal tampering starts on Monday.

Yeah.

So right now we're, we're in the thick of illegal tampering season, which is the new legal tampering.

Max Crosby hopefully going to be traded at some point.

Everyone's getting tampered with. I. Did you read that article in the Athletic that Michael Silver wrote?

I did.

So there's some interesting stuff in that article.

What's interesting?

Basically it said like Max Crosby, his only crime. Well, two things. One, his only crime is that he, he tries too hard, he practices too hard and he's sick of practicing on teams that won't allow him to practice super hard. He hits quarterbacks in practice.

Yeah.

Which is against the rules. But I think if he was playing on a team with a good quarterback, he'd probably be less likely to hit them.

Correct.

That would be a guess. And then the other really interesting part, Tom Brady, he's the announcer on Fox. He's done a great job improving his game on Fox in terms of, of color analysts recently. He's also a part owner of the Las Vegas Raiders and I think he owns what, 4% of the team?

Something like that.

But Mark Davis has pretty much given him like act like you own the entire team.

Yeah.

He is the, the shadow president of football.

It's a soft benching on Mark Davis's part. He saw himself. Yeah.

Yeah. And so since Tom Brady's got that full time job working with Fox.

Hank, have you read this article? Do you know where we're going with this? I'm waiting.

Okay.

Okay. So Tom Brady, former quarterback, the New England Patriots, he's working with Fox like full time. So he can't be at practice all the time. He can't be at the facility.

Wait, if he can't be at the facility, pft. Who is at the facility for him? Hank, do you want to guess like a surrogate?

For him?

I don't know. Someone. Probably like a trainer or something.

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, like, pretty much a doctor, basically. Doctor.

Basically a doctor.

Alex Guerrero is his eyes and ears.

The story that Michael Silver wrote it. Alex Row just keeps popping up.

What's wrong with. I don't. What's. What's the. Like.

Because he's.

Nobody really trusts Alex Guerrero, and no

one really knows what he does. And he essentially. He goes to the practice and narcs to Tom Brady and also tells people they're getting cut or their job is at stake. But he doesn't. He's not an owner. He's not a coach. He just is.

He sounds messy.

He sounds. He sounds like a messy.

He is a messy. Like, he's. He gets. He gets the news from Tom and he's like, oh, I got some gossip. I got. Yeah, he. He, like, sits down with Mark Davis. He's like, mark, you want the tea?

What? What?

What.

What part of this is not weird to you?

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

Is.

Is Alice Girl making decisions or is he just watching practice?

I think kind of everything. He's announced everything and nothing all at once.

He's announcing decisions.

Like, if you're an owner of a team and you can't be there once, you want someone that you trust to be there, like, that's not. That's reasonable, right?

Your other. The other owners, Is that not reasonable?

Yeah.

The coach or the gm.

Yeah.

All these guys, like, worked in football their entire lives.

Guerrero's been around football for a while.

Listen, Guerrero's been kicked out of more facilities than you and I have ever been admitted to.

That's true. He's. Yeah, he does sound messy, though. But that was part of the. The frustration is Alex Guerrero is just walking around being like, oh, like, basically.

I heard Tom doesn't like you.

Yeah.

Taking notes. But if the Raider.

Raiders were good, that's. That's just clicks.

That's just.

Mike Silver wants clicks. Oh, if the Raiders were good, that would not be an issue.

I think that if, like, the issue

is that the Raiders suck.

What if there was.

That's why Max Crosby wants to be out.

The reason.

Max Crosby.

No, no, no, no. Because that's actually not true. Max Crosby wants to be out because he was benched last year as the Raiders were trying to tank, and he is such a competitor that he thought that was, like, the ultimate sin against competition and everything that he stands for.

Let me ask you a question, Hank. If there were someone here who. Now Austin is here now, but, like, let's say Dave hired someone who has no idea how the blog game works, and he has no idea how podcasting works. He has no idea how the content game works.

We've hired people like, okay, hold on, hold on.

Yes.

It's like everyone.

Yeah, we do have a lot of hired like 10 people like that over time. But let's, let's say that that's, that's Dave's eyes and ears, and you don't really have a relationship with this person. And every time you're at the golf simulator or every time you take two sandwiches on free lunch Tuesday, I know it was you.

I didn't get any sandwiches.

Every time you do that, Shane did. Yeah, Shane took two.

Yeah.

Before anyone else, I was the one

that was, like, trying to get the tapes released. By the time I got there, there was, like, one shitty sandwich left.

I, I almost got some tapes released on Hank yesterday.

Oh.

But I, but I'm admitting that I, I could see the error of my ways potentially. So I didn't.

I want to hear that, but let me just fur. This. This, and then I want to hear the tapes. But let's just say you're on the golf simulator, and this guy walks up and has a notepad, and he goes, huh, okay. And then walks away, takes a note. And then Dave, you know, ever, like maybe a week later is like, oh, Hank. All he does is golf. You would like that guy to be around the facility.

That's basically what you do.

Okay, Is that analogies and hitting. I need some help.

No, basically, Tom. Tom has his eyes and ears and acting as a surrogate. And I think people are. If you read between the lines of what Michael Silver wrote, it seems like there's a lot that he did not write. There's a lot more that he can write about.

Think about the stuff he didn't write.

Yeah, I want to talk about that.

I mean, Michael, Michael Silver is a vet.

He knows that Tom Brady gets clicks. This is a florio specialist.

Voyo did write aggregate. Michael Silver's right.

And, and I'm sure it was Tom Brady. I'm sure Tom Brady was somehow like, the lead focus of the article.

What are you shaking your head? Yeah, the athletic just praise on. On these bad teams. Either way.

I, I, it is weird that they write so many articles that paint bad teams in a bad.

Yeah, it's bad.

The.

I do like that Max Crosby is like, I'm not going to publicly ask for a trade out of respect to the Raiders fans. Even though Then this article gets written. It's basically saying, I want out.

Yeah. I'm going to. I'm going to publish all the blackmail that I have on the Raiders.

It's great.

It'll be a slow drip that comes out over the spring.

What. What was. The tapes you almost released on. No. No.

So it. Hank was somewhat vindicated. But what happened yesterday? We had. We had a nice lunch that was catered for the office. It was delicious. And I. I went. I got in line, and I'm waiting my turn in line, and there's a group of people that are in front of me picking their sandwiches out, and I'm waiting to have my turn to select my sandwich. The people leave. I'm looking down at my phone, so I'm walking at a very slow pace. But then Hank, who was standing right behind me, just passes me on my left.

You caught him.

Cuts in line right in front of me, gets the sandwich, the very last of the good sandwiches. And then he keeps walking. And then I just look around, like, did that. Did that just happen right now? So then I went. I got the tapes. I reviewed the tapes. In Hank's defense, I was looking at my phone and moving slowly in the line, which is why I did not release the tapes. It might have been a situation where just a simple, like, hey, on your left. You can move.

Hey.

They're done getting their sandwich. Like, one of those. Like, a little nudge would have helped. Like a little tap on the horn when you're behind.

You want me to hold your hand? No.

No. That's why I didn't release the tape.

Spoon feed you?

Yeah. It does sound. I would like to see the tapes, but the. It does sound like you had bad line etiquette.

I did. I did. Which, like, I think that there's room in the middle. It's like if somebody's at a red light, the light turns green for about a full second, and instead of just, like, giving them a boop, you just, like, speed around and flip them off, but then roll coal in their face. Yeah, that's. And then that would also be on you then eat their sandwich. So it was. It was.

If the light goes green and you don't move, like, what are you doing?

Yeah, it was at least 51.

It should have beeped.

It was 51.

51. My fault. I'll take the line. Share the responsibility.

Wow, that's huge.

Yeah.

51. Hank, you can have 4%, like Alex Guerrero. It'll be fine.

But, yeah, there was also no sandwiches left, so I was. I was. It was like, if there was a bunch of sandwiches, I might have been like, hey. But it was like, oh.

Oh. So it did factor in your mind that you wanted the last good sake.

No, it didn't. I. I don't. I. I would.

Like, that's what you did, literally.

No, but I'm just saying, like, if there was. There was, like, literally two sandwiches left in the entire board because Shane ate them all.

What did you pull up here? Zach or Matt?

I. I was. I didn't mean to pull that up.

Oh, you're just looking at Alex Guerrero.

I. Yeah, I was just searching.

I'll screw is a weird guy now.

For the record, I would retract everything. Yeah, no, for sure.

Weird guy.

He is a weird guy.

And I think having a weird guy,

I do think it's like, again, it's like, Tom Breeze, greatest quarterback of all time, love of my life, greatest person I've ever known, or never wish to know.

What.

He's also kind of a weird guy.

Right.

But I.

But Alex Guerrero did take him to the next level.

Okay.

What Alex Guerrero did for Tom Brady's career, it makes sense that Tom Brady trusts him so much. And if you're Tom Brady and you're not able to be at practice, you want someone that you can trust to be there. So it's like, yeah, he's a weird guy, but Tom Brady's a weird guy. And it's like, it makes sense that he.

Tom Brady has earned his weirdness, though. When Tom Brady, you see him being weird, you're like, but he's a winner. Alex Guerrero. You see him being weird, and you're like, who is this guy again? I mean, that's uncomfortable to have eyes and ear. A weird guy, eyes and ears, walking around the practice.

But again, put yourself in Brady's position.

Yeah.

Who else would you want there? Who else would you have there?

Alex.

Earl.

Yeah.

No, I'm just throwing out names.

Jordan.

I mean, this.

It's a Jordan situation.

It's a little bit of a Jordan. Little bit of a Jordan. Taking a wonder lick right now. It would be. Jordan is to. Belichick, as Alex Guerrero is to.

I said that. Those exact words behind this booth at the start of this conversation.

No sense. Zero sense.

It's shown on. Without the. Without the crazy good sex.

This is.

That's.

Do you think Alex Guerrero is in charge of doing Adobe Photoshops for Tom Brady?

No, he's a trainer.

I think he's just the Jack of all trades. I think it's just like, pliability.

Max has never heard of that. Oh.

Oh.

He.

Actually, Max is.

Max is flexible.

Super flexible. Max is one of the. He's by far the most flexible on the podcast.

You know who's very pliable? Somebody that does adult competitive cheerleading.

Good point.

They are. Alex Guerrero is a cheerleader.

It's insane. Absolutely insane.

He's a great cheerleader. Like, you're doing great, Tom. Good job. Keep on not eating those tomatoes.

I bet you he knows some about peptides.

Probably. Probably does.

And listen, I. I will say that if you. If he comes on.

Does not.

I would listen to whatever, like, fake medical advice he gave me. I love fake doctors.

Yeah, but he's a fake doctor. That's. That's the important part.

He's a trainer.

To not say he's a real doctor, he's a traitor. Yeah. Okay, we're gonna do our list. We have a list. We're gonna make a list of top quarterback free agents. I think we should make two lists. One is top quarterback free agents. One is top quarterbacks that might be on the move. Okay. That's like the Kyler, the Gino, that. That group. So let's start with top quarterback free agents. This is going to be the, pardon my, take, official bible, because we know that there are certainly some scouts and maybe possibly GMs that listen to this show. So if you want to just take this. Scouts and GMs, these guys that you can sell yourself on, we will be fully on board. All right, here's the list. I'm going to give you the list. It's obviously longer than this, but this is the list that I've come up with, and then we can sort it through. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Marcus Mariota, Zach Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Jimmy G. Mitch and Phil Rivers. Where do we want to start? Who's the one One on Russell Wilson on there. Russell Wilson is on there.

Is it also Malik Willis?

Malik Willis is. Yes. So he's number one.

Malik Willis, my number one.

Daniel Jones, technically.

Mario Ta.

Daniel Jones. Transition tag.

Yeah.

Team can offer him a bag. All right. Malik Willis, 1. I like that a lot. I think that's. That makes sense. I think you got to go. Phil Rivers too, right? Who would you rather have, Zach Wilson or Phil? Although I'm still. I'm not done with Zach Wilson.

You're still believing.

I'm still believing in Zach Wilson.

I mean, he got Quindia edged him out last year.

All right, so you. I mean, who would you want for this next year? Was it Aaron Rodgers?

If you want a winner. Aaron Rodgers, do you want a winner? There's one obvious pick.

Trey Lance.

Nope.

Who?

Jimmy G. Jimmy G. He wins football games.

He's been to more Super Bowls than, like, anyone in the history of the league.

It is kind of weird how. How Jimmy Garoppolo just kind of.

That's not true.

Kind of stop. Kind of stop being a starter.

No more Super Bowls than anyone in the league.

He went from going to Super Bowls.

It's a lot of Super Bowls.

How many Super Bowls has he been to?

I think like seven.

Has he?

Actually, he's been to a lot. Street streets are saying he's a Cardinal.

Yeah. Yeah. Because Michael Ford was his guy from. From the Rams, so that would make sense.

Jimmy.

Jimmy G. Super bowl appearances.

Jimmy G. On the streets of Scottsdale would be a weapon.

He's played in one, right?

He's played in one and he was

in the 2015 and 2017. Max is looking it up. Back up, up. How many times does he have back up on a Super Bowl? Max just go to his. Go to his Wikipedia and you can just see how many rings he has. And then we can.

But we need appearances.

Yeah, I know, but then you just add in the. You have a nose loss in the 49ers.

But he's lost. He's lost the super bowl because he, you know, the Patriots.

No.

Lost a lot of Super Bowls.

How many does he have? He has three. So he's probably been to five, Right. The Eagles loss and then the losses. The Niners quarterback. Oh, wait. Yeah.

And he was with the Rams.

He wasn't with the Rams when they went to the super bowl, was he?

No, he's with the Rams in 2024.

Yeah. So he was not with it. So five. So close to the most ever decent

amount of Super Bowls.

More Super Bowls than a lot of people.

A.

Pretty good.

Like that's a fact in terms of people who have ever lived. Yeah, he's up there.

All right, so we want to put him three. I think it goes Malik Willis, Aaron Rodgers, Jimmy G. I.

I think I would maybe. I would maybe go Tyrod number three.

No, not as a starter over Jimmy.

Backup over Jimmy G. Yeah.

I think I'd rather have Jimmy G. He's been to more Super Bowls than anyone in the history of the game.

What about Mary?

I like.

I like Mariota.

Listen, Mariota is a. A great backup quarterback.

Yeah, I think Mariota over Tyrod.

Yeah, I think. I think Marcus Mario did you see that Falcons game? All right, he might be the number one backup quarterback.

All right, here's what I have right now. You.

If.

If we want to switch anything, I have Malik Willis, 1, Aaron Rodgers, 2, Jimmy G, 3, Mariota 4, Tyrod, 5. I think this is where you got to put in Joe Flacco and Phil Rivers. Okay, Flacco, Phil Rivers. Then. Then the question is Mitch.

But there should also be a caveat on this, that if. If we're talking about a one game replacement mid season at the last second, Joe Flacco's number one.

Rivers.

Rivers would be good too.

But he didn't win.

Yeah, it's true. All right, but you need.

You need Flacco on four days notice, and he will go out there, he will give you a win.

Okay, I hear. Here's. Here's what I have for the whole list. If we're filling it out and you guys tell me if you want to switch anything. We have Malik Willis 1. Tell me. Tell me. Just say something if you don't like where they're at. Malik Willis 1. Aaron Rodgers 2. Jimmy G, 3, Mario Top 4. Tyrod 5. Joe Flacco 6, Phil Rivers, 7, Mitch 8, Kenny 9, Zach Wilson 10, Russell Wilson 11, Wentz, 12. Gotta put one. No, he's got to go above Russ.

I would put him 12. I'd personally have him 12 on my list.

Okay, I have him 10.

We should put Wentz 12, Brett Favre, 13.

Gotta have.

Wait, so Kai, we're not including Kyler?

No, this is the second list.

Kyler has not been released yet. He will. He will be released. Yeah, he shall be released.

All right, so let's do the second list. I feel like that was a good list right there. The second list. The names that we could have. So this is names that are possibly being traded, released, whatever it may be.

They're.

But they're currently on a team. Kyler Murray, Tua. Derek Carr, Mac Jones, Anthony Richardson, Tanner McKee, Spencer Rattler, Geno Smith. Let's talk it out. Kyler Tyler's. Kyler won. Mac Jones.

Mac Jones is under.

Yeah, but he could be traded. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's rumors I like.

I. I think Mac Jones is. Mac Jones is the next on Darnold.

I think there's going to be four. Four different teams that talk themselves hard into Kyler Murray.

We actually.

And the. The matter of fact is Kyler Murray if he goes to the Rams and chooses to be a backup with Sean McVeigh and stick around there. Kyler Murray is going to go into the hall of Fame. So that's just how this is going to work out. Sean McVeigh is going to be like, I got my guy. For the next 10 years. We'll win one more super bowl with Matt Stafford. Then it's Kyler. He'll be back to being elite again. But if he goes anywhere else, I think it's dicey.

So this. This list actually should technically just be the next Sam Darnold. That should be the name of this list.

Okay, next. Sam, because I got another one for you.

Kyler Murray on there.

What?

Anthony Richardson?

No, no, he's on the left. Yeah, yeah. So Kyler's one you want to do. You want to do Mac Jones or Anthony Richardson, too? You like Mac Jones? Next. Sam Darnold.

I like Matt Jones one.

Okay.

And then boots.

You want to break the tie? Mac Jones or Anthony Richardson or. Sorry. Mac Jones or Kyler Murray.

Next.

Okay. All right.

Too small.

I would rather have Kyler.

Mac Jones is two. Anthony Richardson, three.

Yeah, that arm.

Anthony Richardson, three.

That arm. Don't quit. Daniel Jones. He could be on that list, too.

Where is he gonna go?

Who? Anthony Richardson. I don't know, but he could be the next Sam.

He could.

He could be better than Sam Darnold.

I think Geno4 is G. Ken, is

it possible for Gino to be the next Sam Darnold if he was before Sam Darnold?

Yeah, I mean, he's got. They share a couple teams, too, because

it's like Sam Darnold might have been the next Geno.

Yeah, but he took it to the next level. No, no, but then he.

And then he became a Super Bowl.

It becomes. It takes out the Geno, then he

becomes the first Sam Darnold.

Right.

And then now we're looking for the next guy.

All right, so Geno 4. Derek Carr memes sadder. Jets signing Derek Carr or Tua?

Oh, that's a good debate because Tua helps.

Derek Carr's better. But it would be such a bummer just in general, but the jets haven't had an interception in a while, so

TUA helps that in practice.

Oh, true. Good point.

Okay, good point. Scout team. Scout team picks. Derek Carr, kills your wide receivers.

So Justin Field should be in this list, too. Tua.

Yeah, I think TUA would be the sadder.

Okay. All right, so I'm gonna throw Justin Fields in there.

I got another one.

Yeah.

Desean Watson. Think about it.

But he was already. He.

He.

I don't Think he. I don't think he can be eligible just because he was good at one point. Like, really good.

He was very good at one point. Okay, how about Kyle Trask?

Kyle Trask could be the next Sam.

Next Sam Donald.

He's got to make a team.

Meme said this. I keep telling him to say it. Say it in them. Like, will Levis.

Oh, good one. Let's go. Will Levis. Five. Okay, and then to. All right, I'm going to read this off to you guys. You tell me. Me, I'm taking out the 10. I'm taking out Tanner McKee and I'm taking out Derek Carr just because they don't really apply to the next Sam Darnold. Tanner McKee wasn't a high draft pick. Derek Carr was good. Here's the next Sam Darnold list. We got 1. Kyler Murray, 2. Mac Jones, 3. Anthony Richardson, 4. Geno Smith, 5. Will Levis, 6. Justin Fields, 7.

2.

I feel good about that list. I think we're gonna get Sam Darnold out of that list.

There's going to be one.

I feel like Gino's not in that list either.

No. Yeah, Gino. I don't think he counts in that list.

Okay, I'll take him out. I would.

I would remove him for that list.

Okay. I mean, two has had good years.

Does Malik Willis count on that list?

Yeah, two is also no Malik Willis because he's been. Well, he's also a free agent, so we're gonna.

Yeah, but he was good.

We do a bad job of our list. It's really just once. Once we. Once we make the graphical look good.

Yeah, for sure.

All right, one. One more name for the next him. Josh Johnson. What if this is the year for Josh?

Oh, what about.

You might put it all together.

How about this? Seven on this list, Argonauts. Seven on this list should be Sam Darnold. For those that still don't believe in Sam Darnold.

He can do it.

Yeah, right. Like, he could still be the next Sam Darnold.

Like. Yeah, this is. This is the year where Sam Darnold can get himself off the list of guys like Trent Dilfer and get himself onto the list of guys like Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger.

Yeah. Okay. Well, that's fun. Fun list making.

Yeah.

What else we got? Max, we were talking briefly before the show. Are you getting nervous about the bubble? The bubble?

If Villanova lost last night, I would have been nervous about the bubble. But now I think we're. I think we're firmly.

Good firm.

Firmly firmly.

Good firm. Good firm. Something hit me last night in the Badgers game one. Obviously Nolan Winter getting hurt was not good. And that seems to happen. Johnny Davis or Chucky Hepburn late in the season two we really the nil and transfer portal which is a lot of hand wringing, losing the seat. Like the true senior day moment sucks because Isaac guard Greg guard son hit a three and it was electric.

Yeah.

Electric moment.

Yeah. That is nice.

You don't have as many of those moments of guys that have been there for a really long time and stayed at one school because everyone's transferring.

You've got the. Yeah. The moms walking out on the court with just the biggest button that you've ever seen on their sweatshirt. The roses.

It is.

That is a nice moment.

It was nice. It was nice. So I think we need. We've lost that a little bit and we need it.

I saw some tweet yesterday. I can't find it. But I think there's like. There's been. There's like 24 seniors that participated in senior year. Oh, you got it.

Yeah.

There are only 22 high major scholarship players who will celebrate senior night this week having played at just one place. That's pretty crazy.

That's insane.

Considering how many out of how many schools.

Yeah, a lot. Like 60 sec has one. One single singular season senior who state for the whole time. That's nuts.

That's.

I. I like my idea of if you stay at a school, if you don't transfer, you get an additional year of eligibility or you get.

You know what, you just get a Ph.D. automatic.

That's. That's awesome.

You don't have to go to class. You just get a PhD. You're just a doctor.

Dr. Marshall Henderson.

That would be great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dr. Isaac Guard.

He might be here this week.

Yeah.

Next week.

Yeah.

Howdy, Toddy. There's a. Interesting debate. We can embrace debate if you'd like to.

I had. I had one more college basketball. Then I want to embrace the debate. The one last college basketball credit to Bruce Pearl because he has been. You know the. The thing that he said about my. Of Ohio on. On over this weekend, everyone coming after him. He did have a quote that I. I appreciate. He said, am I rooting for my son to make the NCAA tournament? Of course I am. Did I help my son get the Auburn job? Nepotism. Of course I did. Credit to him. He just went out and admitted it. Well, yeah, because I didn't know I was kind of 50.

50.

Like, how did this guy. How does Stephen Pearl get this job? And why is Bruce Pearl so. So enamored with Auburn this year? And then he was like, hey, guys, that's actually my son. And I got him the job. That's why I'm rooting for him.

That's. I think his hand was a little bit. Like. There's no chance that he could ever say anything besides that. It was so obvious that he was like, I. Listen, they got me dead to rights. Yeah, they got me.

You know what? I can't fight this one.

I gotta take a plea deal. They're.

They're sniffing around. Yeah, they're starting to connect too many dots.

Yep, they got me.

But, yeah, that was. And yeah, we started Conference championship week. We have the Long Island University, the Shark Fin. Did you guys see Fins Up?

Yeah, I like Fins Up Electric. Yep.

I used to go to games there.

There.

So it's in Brooklyn, Long Island University. It's. It's a mile from my old apartment in Dumbo, so you should take my son to those games. You can just walk in. It's free. And I'm so mad, I miss. Fins up. Shout out. Fins up. Because it's for people who didn't see it. Long Island University has a gym that looks like. They're the Dolphins. Yes, I believe so.

That makes no sense.

No, they're the Sharks. Sharks.

We're the Sharks.

I think they're the Shark. Are they the Dolphins? The Sharks? They kind of look like the Nick Nolte fake team from Blue Chips.

Yeah, I thought that was. I didn't know what that was.

The Sharks.

When I saw the gym, I was like, what is.

Yeah, it's. It's a gym that is smaller than most high school gyms. You could just walk right in and then they are in. At the time of your listening this, they might have been eliminated. But I think they're in the semifinals of the nec and they have a new thing at the free throw line where they're. Fan base. Yells, fins up. And then everyone goes like the safety symbol. And it's like six people.

I was gonna say, by fan base, you mean. It's like the size, but it's a lot.

Careful, careful.

Probably the hardest place to play in the country.

They bring an intensity in that gym. Hank, I'd like to see you go. I bet you couldn't go 4 for 10 from the line in that gym, easily.

You almost went to this school.

Well, it used to be LIU Brook. There used to be LIU Brooklyn, and LIU Post, and then they merged into one school. But I almost. I was talking to the LIU Brooklyn baseball coach for a while about potentially going.

It is a very funny color scheme and nickname because this school is in downtown Brooklyn, essentially, like downtown Brooklyn. Like, it's not too far from where the Nets play. And having a turquoise shark, like, it seems like this should be a team that's playing in Southern California.

You.

It does.

It does. But.

But I love him.

The Fins up guy is Fins up. Is intimidating as.

Fins up.

Yep.

Bang.

It is electric.

Got him.

It is like you can hear the. The fins reverberating off the back wall.

It's so good.

It's so good.

I'm mad that I never got to Fins up.

Yeah. So it's a new thing. Did this guy start?

I don't know. It was. I took. I took myself to a couple games. One of the games. The. The vibe at these games are so lax. And like I said, it doesn't cost to get in there. That's one of the games. My son was probably like two and a half. He was essentially, like, sitting in the coach's lap. By the end of the game, he had gone all the way up and it was. Was on the court because just like, whatever.

And they got.

It's great. Fins up. Shout out to Fins up crew. We're big fans.

I love them.

I hope they get in the tournament. We'll be Fins upping the whole time. Okay, so what was your embrace Debate?

Embrace debate. This was actually discussed this morning on. I believe it was on first take, but Stephen A. Smith and Jay Williams got into it. So I'm curious, honestly, to hear your take on. On this question. It's regarding the NBA.

Okay.

Are the Boston Celtics, Jalen Browns, or Jason Tatum's team? Discuss. Discuss amongst yourselves.

I can give.

I can give points for either side if you'd like some. Some cheat sheets. But who's. Whose team do you think they are?

I think they're Joe Missoula's team.

That was not the option. Celtics, Browns? Or are they Tatum's team?

I. I don't understand the question. You need five players on the court at all times.

Yeah, but who's. I guess another way to think about this is like, who's Batman and who's Robin?

But it's a. That's two people out of five.

Yeah, well, there's also back Justice League. You got Alfred.

If we're talking Justice League, then it's like, who's your favorite superhero? You know?

Right.

And pitcher is The Flash.

Right. So when, like the Patriots, you could say it's Tom Brady's team. Right.

Tom Brady was a quarterback. You could say it was Bill Belichick. Scene.

Okay.

Really depends which, which way?

I just thought it was an interesting new twist on a debate that I, I hadn't heard before.

What do you think? Pfd.

I think it's a ridiculous concept for a debate and I think it's beneath the integrity of this show to even discuss it. But you're, you're entertaining it, which makes me think that.

No, I'm just trying to get clarification.

Is Derek Whitestein, is there a date for Jason Tatum to come back?

Like, if, no, we're just on, we're on injury report watch.

Okay.

They said, was it 314?

Did you guys see.

I think it's Peyton Pritchard.

Did you guys see SGA's outfit? I, I, I have to assume he was doing this as a troll and I loved it.

He looked like, yeah, I've got one of those zip up ones.

Like the ones.

It's a great coat. It's a great coat.

But him doing the interview in that coat was even funnier where it's like you can't even see him talking.

I think you only are able to do that if you win mvp. If he was like, second place.

Yep.

Last year, I don't think you can wear that, that coat.

All right, so Carmelo Anthony says Jason Tatum needs to be very mature when he returns. Knowing it's Jalen Brown's team this season, I actually agree with you. This season it is Jalen Brown's team.

Yeah.

You can't come in midstream and be like, hey, it's going to be exactly the same. And also, Jason coming back from Achilles going forward, it might change. But this season it's Jalen Brown's.

I agree with that. I mean, the, in the, in the episode of his last, like, comeback episode, he was like, you know, I mean, I ain't coming back to be a role player. But that Robin's, you know, he can be the second, second option and they can still win a champion.

I see. I don't like that. Because everyone's a role player. You got to be willing to. Even the, the biggest star on the team has to be able to embrace becoming a role player.

True.

Do we care last thing before we get to Roger be. Do we care at all about the wbc? I think I care. Once we're in the semifinals or finals.

I care about what time of the

Game's going to be.

We're playing Brazil on Friday at some point.

It's early.

At some point.

I don't care about Brazil.

Brazil either. I. I think once we get. If we're playing, like, the Dominican Republic or Japan, I'm in. What about Italy? Italy's got a roster.

I'd like to smoke Italy.

Italy's got a roster.

I bet on Australia over Chinese Taipei last night.

Taiwan.

Australia 1.

Do you mean Taiwan, Max?

And here they call it. They call it Chinese in the booth.

In the booth where you guys just award territory. We've discussed this before, Max.

I was just saying that's what they.

That's.

You think that Taiwan is property of China.

That's what the World Baseball Classic calls it.

I'm going to call it. I'm going to call it Taiwan.

Okay.

Zach, are you Taiwan guy?

That's Taiwan. I agree.

Max, You're a type A guy.

I'm. I'm just a reading guy.

Max is definitely a type A guy.

Max, what does our government call it?

Our government? Taiwan.

Max, what would you. What? I feel really bad for the players on Team Italy that don't have a vowels to end their last name.

There's a couple they shouldn't be allowed on.

Andrew Fletcher's on. On Campion. That's. That's tough. You got some really good names, and then you got a couple guys. I mean, Kyle Teals on the team. I don't know.

Who's that guy on Australia? Is it Bazuna?

I don't know.

Bazuna hit a monster shot last night. He's a very good player. I was wondering why he wasn't on Italy. It seems like that guy should be Italian.

Yeah. They should just scoop up everyone.

Yeah.

Actually, Shohei should be on Italy.

They asked Shane Victor. They have Shane Victor on the team.

Victorino.

Yeah, we talked about that in our interview with him.

Because he had Val. Because they had a valid. His last name. They thought he was. They thought he was Italian.

Yeah. I want the US to win the World Baseball Classic because I think it goes towards my overall goal for this year. I would like to win the Triple Crown.

Yes.

As a nation. I would. I would like to win the gold medals. I guess it would be like a quadruple crown. A grand slam.

Wait, what are they.

That's why you call it quadruple.

No, no. But what are the other. The gold medal.

Women's hockey. Men's hockey.

Yep.

Yep.

And World Baseball Classic. World Cup. Oh.

But I think even if we don't win. We won the super bowl again.

Yeah. So it'd be the.

And also, we're hosting the Masters again.

The Big Five.

Yeah. Hosting the Masters is big.

The Big Five and then the sixth major, which would be the players. No, I would love. I would love so much to win the World Baseball Classic and then the World cup, and it would just be the. The summer of America.

I can't. I can't stop thinking about Shohei on Team Italy. I need it. Why not? Why not?

He does.

Like, put Shohei on Team Italy.

He's got a lot of connections in the mob, huh?

He knows a guy or two.

He knows mafia dudes.

If we win the World Cup, I will. I will commit to soccer.

Oh, I thought you were going a

different direction before you said the word soccer. That was.

Hank. You know what? If we win the World Cup, I'll get a cat with you. Yeah, sure. All right. We'll both get cats. If we win the world.

I can't get a cat. I just can't do that.

All right, But I'll get another dog. No, that doesn't.

That's so American.

No, that doesn't get a second ferret.

That's. Is that American?

You got to get a ferret.

What's the most American rodent I can get?

You got to get it. You got to get an animal you don't want. You got to get a ferret.

Okay, I'll get a ferret.

All right.

Are those legal here?

Sure.

Who.

I mean, the law is very, you know, it's fungible. Yeah. What are you guys getting? Put something up. I'll go Prairie Dog 61.

Okay.

Prairie Dog Max. Soul patch for a year.

No.

Why?

We're not gonna win the World Cup.

No, I'll do. I'll do that if Hank does that, too.

So I'm getting a cat.

He's getting a cat.

I would rather.

All right, so you get a cat, I'll get Do. Soul patch.

Deal. Oh, I'm allergic. Cats.

Deal.

Wait. But I want to root for. I want to root to win the World Cup.

I do, too.

I don't want to root to get a cat.

Yeah, that's actually true. We should just not do that.

Yeah.

We're going to end up.

We should actually.

We're never going to actually just do something.

We should. We should make it something that we actually want to do as a reward for ourselves.

Yes.

If we win the World Cup.

Blow job week. Memes in.

I was gonna say I was gonna enlist, but.

Yeah, I'm down to not. Okay.

If we. Yeah, if we win the World Cup, I'll enlist in the air list. Yeah, just do a tour. I'll enlist in the Air Force.

You're way too old.

Thanks for leading with too old instead of too short. That was awesome.

Yeah, I'm back.

I thought everyone in the Air Force is short.

No, you're sitting. Not as short as him.

You're sitting down.

You gotta be like, six feet.

I know. I think Air Force is short.

Yeah, you can't be too tall if you're gonna be sitting in one of those cockpits.

All right, so we're off on all these deals. We'll think of something good that we want. Or we'll just make a group bet. We'll just make a group bet on

usa and also maybe blowjob week.

And blowjob week. Who's starting with giving head reviews?

Yo, what's up? This is pft. I'm over here at the suck station.

One suck. Everyone knows the rules. One lick.

You have to be at least 4 foot 10.

Oh, yeah.

Close easily.

You got that?

Easy. That's easy money.

Easy. Okay, let's get to our interview with Roger Bennett. We're going to talk some World cup maybe.

We'll.

We'll continue this conversation, then when we finish Roger Bennett, we'll do some fire fest. Okay, before we get to Roger Bennett, a quick word from our friends at Chevy. Football season might be over, but you know how it goes. The minute the big game ends, we're already talking about what's next. Free agency, the draft, who's getting paid, who's grinding. Because for football guys, there is no offseason. That's exactly why they roll with the Chevy Silverado. Silverado is the truck that shows up every time. Built to haul, tow, and take a beating. But smartware accounts with modern tech that makes life easier. Big screens, available, camera views that help with towing and parking, and a cabin that feels right. Whether you're road tripping, heading to practice, or loading up for the weekend, during the season, it's the MVP at tailgates. After the season, it turns into your training camp. Truck hauling gear, tackling home projects, and doing the work that never stops. Because the grind doesn't take breaks. And neither does Silverado. Check out the current offers and build your own ChevySilverado@chevy.com. we are also brought to you by our friends at Planet Fitness. Listen, I'm.

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We are the World Cup. A personal history. The world's greatest sporting event. You wrote this book, Woods, I wanna. I gotta talk. We. First of all, thank you for coming by and let's just. History of the World Cup. Give it. Tell us all the history of the World Cup.

It's in. In three, four words.

Yeah.

Personal history.

It's an incredible history of English failure.

Yeah. True.

Really?

It's true.

It is like, that's probably. That's where it begins and ends. American big dreams.

Yes. Is there a chapter in here that's like England and it just says missed

pk There is actually a history of English football that I use for my research. It's called 40 Years of Shit, which is one of my favorite and it's one of my favorite tomes. I mean, England are. And I support America now for your audience. I know I sound like a citizen.

Yeah.

Thank God.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I love this nation like Kenny Powers loves this nation. Our women kick ass ass and take names. Or men. You know, we love a dream team.

We're trying.

Yeah, we do try. We've won one knockout game in our entire history, going all the way back to George Washington. So there's work to do. It's like a dream on team.

Wait, is it. Is that true? So we beat Mexico.

Yeah.

Right.

We've never beaten a team in the entire planet other than Mexico. Yeah.

And we always beat him, Dosagero.

We do, God bless it.

In Columbus in, like, March, when it's snowing, going.

It's. We've beaten them in the knockout. You've got good knowledge, man. And that's it.

I mean, that team.

We put a man on the moon. We invented the crooner.

Yeah.

All of this crap. We can. I said I'd say those two things. English failure and American big dreams. That's kind of the World cup, baby.

Yeah.

The. The 2002 team. I still maintain that, like, that that team was special and that team couldn't. It should have gone to the semifinals in the World Cup. We should have been there.

I love your love.

Yeah.

I mean, there's a number of times they had, like, fresh, clear water in front of them. 2010, the Landon Donovan moment.

Yeah.

Which I turned so many people onto football. And every single World cup has made America more and more a football loving nation. 1994 World cup was here right before it. Jack Kemp, the quarterback, the Rams quarterback, who's a congressman, he went on to the floor of Congress. Any other nation would be like, we got the World Cup. Biggest thing that's going to ever happen to our nation. Jack Kemp ran to the floor of Congress and he said, I think it's really important that we tell American children that football is where you rush with it and throw it and catch it and use your hands and not where you kick it. And he said, this is real words. He said, one is American capitalism, the other is European socialism. You guys hate it. There was a study before the last World Cup 94, where soccer was found to be America's 67th most favorite sport. And tractor pulling was 66. You like taking the piss. And that's the other story is that, you know, America is now a football loving nation, which is hard to understand. It's like a young audience. It's got bigger World cup to World Cup.

I just did a Rod show, which was like a great honor. And he essentially asked me 10 questions, all of which were the same, like. Like, when are we gonna like football?

Yeah.

And I was like, hey, Rod, like the Economist just found out that soccer is the third biggest sport in America, popularity wise. He said, where's baseball? I say it's fourth now. And it was like telling a flat earth up the. You know, the world is round, baby. But that's. That. That's where we are now. You're ahead of the curve, man.

I mean, yeah, I. I love the World Cup. It's. It's probably my Favorite sporting event every four years. And the fact that. I don't know, there's just something I don't. I don't really care much for like European football or European soccer. I don't really care about the epl. I don't care about the Champions League. Don't really care about the mls. But when it comes time for the international competitions, for some reason, it's just like. It's the pride that goes into. It's the people from all around the world. It's the stupid things that, like the little pop culture icons that pop up every four years that you. You learn about and you care about very deeply for four week span. And then you completely forgot about them

until the fans in the stands.

You like watching English people just fire.

Yeah.

Fire rockets out of their anal cavities. That's like. You guys like, oh, I'm into this.

English guys with, with tattoos everywhere.

Like, just English guys.

Yeah. But they've been in the sun for five minutes and they look like a lobster. All the stuff.

I like the. There's always like one hot chick that just gets.

Yeah.

Uber famous because she's. She's shown on camera for about like 2 seconds and then her life changes.

Yeah.

And she becomes a millionaire. Yeah.

Not some old guy cry. Remember the Brazilian guy?

Like SEC football. Yeah.

That is very similar.

Yeah. Yeah. I like saying it's coming home. I like saying that and then not really believing it or knowing what it means. Is it actually. Is it coming home?

That's the deepest question I think you'll never ask anyone. Is it ever coming home? So it's coming home is a song of English longing. Like England invented football. We think we should win it by right. We win it once. 1966 on home turf, like every English school kid. It's like, you know, 1985, 86 in Chicago. It's like that was the year. 1966 is like the year everyone dreams of it. And English football, there's nothing like it. The whole nation, I mean, it's what the joy of sports, man, is that you make yourself believe when all evidence points to the contrary. Unless you're a New York jets fan and you just like, you're just like in it. And they dream and they make themselves believe and then they shit the bed in the most self sabotage. It's like watching Charlie Brown run out of football. The whole nation is Charlie Brown with Lucy kicking. Apart from like, the whole nation's been like, Lucy, do that thing again.

Yeah.

Thing where I effort where I feel an Agony, where I feel a national trauma. And it's the most English thing that ever English, so.

All right, so I want to talk about the book, but I want to keep going down this line of, like, the big dreams of America, the shit of England and Charlie Brown. Can we do a couple other countries? Like, what's. What's. What's Brazil? What. What is Brazil? Historically? World, obviously. They've won World Cups. They play beautiful football. They also flop a lot. A lot.

Yeah. Flopping.

So what is that, like, you know, in terms of, you know, maybe it's this tournament or just in general, in history. Brazil.

We just did a show last night in Houston with J.J. what? Where he's like. He went off on the flopping. He owns a team in the Premier League. This child of Wisconsin who grew up playing hockey and gridiron, like, fell in love. He came on our show, like, did a football thing. It was fine. He kind of knew his stuff. Kind of didn't. And then he asked to come on, like, a couple of months later, and I was like, cool. In my head. I was like, we kind of did. You know, we did it. We did all we could. He goes, no, no. He goes, I've been down a YouTube wormhole.

And there we go.

And he came back on. And he knew. I mean, it's not that hard to know more than me. He knew a lot more than me. I said, what happened, man? He said, I've just fallen in love with this crap. I'm gonna go and buy a Premier League team. I'm, like, all in on this thing. And when we have J.J. watt, this child of Wisconsin, living for, like, this for Burnley, it's like the Allentown, Pennsylvania of England Football Club. We've kind of got everybody.

Yeah, no J. And J.J. also is like, he. He jumps all the way in. I mean, look what he's done as a commentator, like, on games. He's so good at it and he's so smart. Yeah.

It should be illegal to be able to beat up pretty well anybody in the United States of America and then out think them.

Yeah, yeah. That's University of Wisconsin education. So let's talk about this. Let's talk about this World Cup. Who are the teams? Does Spain still do Tiki Tack or whatever the hell it's called?

Oh, Brazil.

Oh, yeah, yeah, Brazil.

This night you walk down Cooper Cabana beach, they love Barry Manilow. They're really all in on that, man. Name a beach after. They have like, 100,000 people playing football. Keepy Uppies and like, you're looking at. You're like, oh, my God. Like any one of those people, man, woman, there's dogs that can do, like, keep you up easier, that probably get into the US Team. And you're like, wow. Like, this scale, the passion, the way it's just woven in. It's like high school basketball in Indiana. You know, just wait. It's impossible to tell the soul of the place about football as a freedom of expression. And so you're kind of there and you're like, wow, we've got ways to go. I mean, Spain is. I don't know what the American equivalent is. They have such a tactical discipline. They develop like little Ewoks. They bred the Ewok flame. Footballers who are just so comfortable. It's like they wear the. The ball inside their boot. It's like the way what they can do with it is just utterly transcendent. I don't know what the. They're playing on the, you know, 4D level.

Yeah, yeah. Do they still do the. Because the ticky tag is kind of maybe a little bit like west coast offense, where it's like, hey, it's short passes. I love ball control. Like, you know, and then we'll just kind of. You will just keep doing it and you can't stop it. And then eventually we'll break open the big one.

And it's just woven into the fabric of their society. The thing they do that we don't is that they don't give a crap whether their kids win or lose. Like in America, you guys. You guys love to win.

Yeah.

Yeah. Well, we're winners.

You win.

I don't know if you saw the gold medal game. We're winners.

I know.

But if we lose, we just pretend it didn't happen.

Right.

You get one or it doesn't matter. There you go. Burn the seven. Soccer and under eight. Soccer. No one really cares.

Yeah.

And so to win at under 8, under 9, under 10 soccer in America, you just put the big kid in.

Yeah.

And he just mows everybody down. There's always someone who's like William Refrigerator Perry, just mowing down other six, seven year olds. And that's how you win it. Under seven, under eight, under nine, in Spain, I like, sod the score. Leave the little kids in. Let them enjoy. Let them destroy all comers where they're little, you know, origami passes. And they don't ever give a crap about the result until they play for the big boys.

Yeah.

When they do, they destroy all of us. In America. Sometimes Your impulse to win, Our impulse to win is actually holding us back.

Yeah, it is. I. I've. I've always thought that with. With America, and this is true. I think with soccer as a whole, if you want to win a World cup, first you have to actually believe that you can win a World cup. Because if you don't have that, that true belief that you can do it, there's so many. Like, the entire game is just. It's a constant, fluid game. You're not going to be playing as passionately, as hard as somebody that truly believes that they can win a World Cup. And we need a crazy. We need one guy on our team who's absolutely insane that really believes that we can win a World cup, and then that gets contagious for the rest of the team. So I don't know how much you know about what the projected U.S. men's team roster is going to be, but do you know if we have a

crazy, like, the old, like, Brian Bosworth kind of mentality?

Yeah.

Tie in his. Ripping his shirt sleeves off. Like. Like, tie around the head, by the way. You've nailed it, man. The world knows that we know that they know that we know that they know that we're crap at men's football. And it's, like, the last thing America's crap at. And the whole world, the soccer thing. Like, in England, by the way, they call it soccer. The biggest show on English television is Soccer Saturday. No one laughs at it. But when we do soccer and they say soccer, like, the whole world laughs at us for calling it soccer, mostly because we're so insecure about it, we kind of back off when they laugh at us. So. So the world loves that we are still inferior there. And when you speak to players from, like, 2006, 2010, when they played that big team for the first time, and you asked them, did you really think when you took the field against Belgium in 2014 that you guys looking at each other being like, we're going to win this game. And they'll tell you off the record, they'll be like, not really. And that's really what it takes.

But the funny. The other odd thing is that 1994 team that took the field, you were a baby. You're like, eight, nine. They took the field in, like, stonewashed denim jerseys, like, mullets. Football World and never seen mullets to that point. It was like, what is that? Ginger hair, you know, swaggering on. They were. These kids were like college players. They were not very few of Them played in Europe and they didn't know what they didn't know, and they were really fearless. I interviewed a couple of them for this sport, and one that 1990 was the first time the US men got back into the World Cup. Since 1950, we've been like, off the. Off the. You know, just like reduced to a rubble. We got back in 90, they were like tourists with really good tickets. They got their ass kicked by everybody. 94, they did the thing, like, they didn't crap their pants with the nation watch. And they got noble, valiant defeat. And then they all said, you know, what we believed was 90. We showed the world we could qualify. 94. We showed the world we belonged. And the most American thing ever.

They're like, 98. We were going to show the world we could win it.

Yes.

And they.

And we're still waiting.

Last place, they got beat by Iran with the nation watching, and they, you know, barely scored a goal. So that American mentality. Yeah, I mean, we're far away. I think we're having that human being. We also, like the Max Crosby kind of like, yeah, yeah, he needs to. He needs a team.

Yeah, he needs a team.

We need.

We need more grit like that. That was the thing when watching the Gold cup, was it two years ago. We were soft. So if we suck at soccer, that's fine. We can't be soft and suck. And that was what I hated watching.

God, we got to get you in the locker room.

We just got to be. We got to be a little tougher. We got to rough them up.

We got it. There's a future for you.

Get dirty with it. Can we. Can we. Can we not be soft? Because. Am I right with the Gold Cup? The Gold cup was the one that we were just.

No, you bullied. You're right.

Yeah.

The best US Teams I can think of looking back, we had a couple players like. Like, I'll go back to 2002. That's when I think that the US actually had a chance. We should have beaten Germany. We should have been in the semifinals of the World Cup. We got by a handball. We got screwed in that game. I'll go to my death thinking that we should have beaten Germany, but that team had, like, two guys that were just monster. A Gucci on Yewu who was like, 220 pounds, 6 foot 3, who, like, just pushed people over. And then a guy named Big Cat. Cat. Tony Santa, the Big Cat. He was like a role player on defense, but he was also a guy that, like, didn't take Any. We need those guys on this team.

You know that. That would be. I do love Evan. Your knowledge is breathtaking.

Just. It's only about the US Men's.

It's.

Working with it. Working with this Swansea owner is like, yeah, working with this man.

I don't know if I still own any part of Swansea.

How did you not know?

I did.

You think?

I feel like we. I saw. I don't know. I gotta look it up.

You were, like, ahead of the curve.

Yeah.

You were like, where? It was like. Like, you were in that moment, the first massive global superstar to buy into, well, Welsh football.

And I would get. I would get blamed for things. And now on the message board.

And now 2026.

Yeah.

Snoop Dogg is going to your team.

Yeah. Wait, he's. He's. He's investing in Swansea.

He heard you owned a little bit.

Okay.

He wanted to dip his.

There we go.

Do you not see this? This is so mad, man. This is.

I can't say. Yeah, listen, I got three kids now. I, I, I got into Swansea, have kids.

You've given the gift. You broke. You broke the seal. Now everyone's all these. All these, you know, these followers, like Snoop following in your pathway.

I'm just trying to grow the game.

Snoop, I know you care, man. You do. But it's here. It's here. It's hands off. Snoop went to Swansea. Swansea is like. I can't even think of what Swansea's American equivalent. I'm, like, scratching my head.

Oh, man.

I mean, you will be able to know because you know the city so well. You know the town, the people, the fat base. He went down. They gave out Snoop towels before the game. They've not sold. Like, hardly anyone goes the game. Snoop was there. The whole city was there. It was Mobbed. This is 2026. How surreal football is. He did a lap of honor before the game. The place went utterly berserk. And so we may not be very good at football right now. And please, God, that would change in my lifetime. Like, I don't. I just want the Chicago to win one more super bowl while I'm alive. I'd love the US Men to win a World Cup.

You actually think we can in our lifetimes?

The Bears.

No, I hope The Bears. The U.S. men's team.

Like, well, this country can do whatever.

I agree with that. But it feels like the one thing we can't do is soccer.

Well, we need you in the locker room. We've already solved that problem. And we send you in there, you give the team to knees dirty. What was it?

Yeah, little grit.

Little.

Little push them around a little. But you, you said it. When you go to Brazil, every. The dogs are playing soccer better than us.

They're so good. The dogs are so good. Honestly, I would watch Brazil. That's a league we could build. Brazilian dog soccer.

Brazilian dog soccer. I'd be. If I could bet on it.

I absolutely watch that.

Yeah.

If I can gamble on it.

I mean, the dogs would not do it unless you could gamble on it. I'm like, we don't really need this in our. But the gambling's very interesting. Pulling it back. We may not win, but we own everything. Like this is the crazy thing is that again, 1994, no one cared. You all hated it. You protested too much. I moved here, I moved to Chicago. Had everything, man, that I wanted. Apart from football. Wasn't. Anyway, I used to have to call my dad in Liverpool. He'd hold the phone against the radio to follow along the team. Now every Premier League team, the majority of Premier League, they're owned by Americans. You got Boston Red Sox, they own Liverpool.

Yeah.

Chelsea are owned by the Dodgers. You've got the Buccaneers family, you know.

Yeah.

Doing that, you know. Slightly curious man is Cronky Arsenal, right. Possibly going to win the league.

Yeah, I know they're seven points up right now.

I know they've got Sean McVeigh just like giving a little note, change everything.

Do you want me to do a side. A little side off World Cup? How's Everton doing?

I mean Everton or Everton? I like the Bears. I don't know where my Bears end and my Everton begins.

Yeah.

With Dreamers.

They're not gonna get relegated though.

There's a. In my book I wrote, there's a poet, Eduardo Galliana. I'm sure a lot of people come on your show and quote Edward.

Yeah, yeah. No, we know him well.

He's a gorgeous man. You should have him on. Apart from his dad.

Yeah.

He wrote football is a pleasure that hurts is like his thing and that is at Everton or A pleasure that hurts.

I like that.

And the Bears, I mean, the Bears have been the same way. Yeah, the Bears have been very much the same way. So Everton are kind of in that. In that Locust in that. I wouldn't know what to do if they did start winning. Right.

It gets confusing.

Would you want your team, like when your team lose and that's what. That's your identity.

It's hard.

Don't take away my losing.

Yeah, it's hard.

It's hard to adapt. Am I losing?

It's very, it's difficult. I had, I struggled. I had one good year with the commanders and then I, I just kind of lost my mind. And I was like, if you don't say that Jane Daniels is top five quarterb, I will kill you. And I like you get. You feel yourself a little bit too much.

Did you enjoy the winning?

You grasp onto that, that, that brief moment where you think that you're never going to lose again. And then right back I find that.

I find like supporting teams that are self defeating and heartbreakingly. I do. I think if that is the worst part of your life, you're doing pretty well.

That's a good point.

If your sports team are absolute bollocks and everything else is like, yeah, it's good perspective. But I would not want to take away my losing is the honesty. I think the English people wouldn't know what to do if, if. And if they won in the United States 250th anniversary and they became. I don't think.

Oh man, I didn't even think about that.

You probably take a lot of joy in watching your rivals lose though. Like if you root for a team that's not successful. It's just like I'm so glad that the New England Patriots lost the super bowl again.

The English people, which I'm not anymore, obviously American by the way, we need

to have you just be like, maybe you're just be our president. Because the way you talk about like American swagger and that we own everything, it doesn't feel as like in your face when it has an English accent. It works. You know what I mean? Like we own everything. We can do anything.

It's because you've got the, you've got the, you've got the words of swagger, but the English coating of self loathing

when we say it, we're.

You think about schadenfreude. Like if you do. There's a saying, if you gave an English person the choice between his own success and your failure, he'd choose your failure every day of the week. That's genuinely like how England lives. That's why most football fans would, I mean, bite your arm off. To be able to laugh at, you know, at their enemy's failure far more I think than you did winning. That joy is kind of fleeting. Yeah.

Well, then you got to do it again.

Yeah. Stress off managing those expectations. You've got some pressures to lose.

You've raised the bar.

Yeah. I mean it can only Be one way down, but endless joy out of your enemies pain.

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crystallized, like, hey, this is 1978 Argentina.

And what was it about it?

Yeah, we didn't have live television in England. England's a tiny island. This is kind of mental. Like, the people that ran the football teams wouldn't allow any live football because we're about as big as, like, Indiana. And so if they were terrified if they put live games on, no one would go to any, you know, 92 teams. So we never saw live football other than go in the game. And when you went the game, it was played by kind of dumpy men, balding mostly, who try and kick the crap out of each other on muddy pitches. They'd run in, scurry into the locker room at halftime for a cigarette and a pint and a pie, and then the whole crowd would beat the shit out of each other. And it was pretty, you know, it was fun, but it was also deeply miserable when you actually thought about it. And Argentina had the World cup and they had these incredible stadia. And like, the. The first thing I saw at seven, it was like the sun. It took me a while to realize what the hell it was. I was like, what is that orange thing in the air?

My mom said it's the sun. It's the sun. I was like, oh, because we're like a nation of mole men. So I'm looking at this thing, everyone's beautiful. They're all in, like, shape. And then 100,000 people, the two teams take the field and the whole stadium just explodes in confetti. And like toilet. Thousands of toilet rolls are thrown from the bleachers. My mum's sitting there, she goes, who take a toilet roll to a football game, son? I was like, oh, shut up, mom, this is amazing. And I realized in that second, football could be joyous and sports could be. I'd never. Sports was punishing. Sports is about having someone you didn't know from behind urinate down the back of your legs through a rolled up program. And I was like, I was hooked from that moment. But in all seriousness, the joy of the World cup. And this is, I think, kind of what you were saying is when two teams take the field, like their nation's history, their nation's politics, their nation's culture takes the field alongside them. And it's just the depth of all of it. When you play Germany, like the levels of storytelling there, when you play.

Well, when people play America, this World cup, it's going to be, I mean, it's going to be super multi dimensional in the. That's why Panama tried to kick the crap out of us. The canal crap. Canada.

Yeah.

That's why we need you talking for us. Yeah, you sound.

Yeah, maybe he's that man.

Have you thought about feed it to me? You just deliver.

I'm just here to spread love and peace, baby.

Yeah.

I feel like you might be next in line for the FIFA peace prize.

Yeah, I don't know if I'm worth it. I don't know.

You don't know if you can pay enough for it.

You're not getting the FIFA podcasting. I mean, why did FIFA stop at

a peace price for peace?

Why did they not give a price for like music? So like, yeah, Kid Rock could get that and like, you know, they should just expand.

Well, doesn't it give you hope that maybe we could win a World Cup? If, you know, the, the tournament is put on by such a nakedly corrupt organization like FIFA, we could just bribe our way to it. Why haven't we done that?

Well, I gotta say, this conversation for the past 30 minutes, I think we've solved a lot of football problems and ultimately we need your action. You need to follow through on all of these things. The dog football league, plus gambling, the grit.

Yeah.

The get your knees dirty, the team talk. Get in there. I mean, the FIFA thing, it's. I mean, it's like Roger Goodell, but global, man. Right. It's, you know, they do the Thing, they think about different things than we do when we go to sports. And it's like, mate, it's just different.

So another. Another team that's had a lot of success in the past, not recently. Is Italy. Is Italy ever going to play in another World cup again?

Definitely. They don't need to. They've had so much joy. The memories, the memory, they can live off those for forever. The Italian thing is very strange, man.

What happened?

Countries, the tectonic plates, the economy bottoms out, the. You know, I think sometime after Rome felt things went down the toilet. Football is about money and the teams that do really well have tons of it. And you're seeing, like, Europe. You can tell a team that's not going to do well when you go to their nation and they're nice to eat, you know, they need the tourist dollars. You know what I mean? And so that's really it. The Italian, I mean, it's in a tough place. As the economies crumble, more opportunity for you. The American team, the dog league.

So they missed the World cup again.

There's a very, very low. The playoffs. There's a playoff.

Oh, yeah. We still don't have all the teams.

We don't have them all. They can play their way in still. It's like the playing game for March Madness. So they're in there, but I do think the nation's braced. But they won. They won stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

And ultimately surrounded by that winning is dismal failure and rebuilding year. Would you take, like. I mean, you don't have draft picks. You don't have. Yeah, you don't have it, man. You don't have, like, relegation. That's the craziest thing.

Relegating countries. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You guys, it's not a country anymore.

You're mad. It is mad, though. America, you love, like, cutthroat capitalism.

Yeah.

In sports, you don't have any punishments for. In fact, you get rewarded.

Yeah.

It's like your sports are like socialism for rich guys.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

So, you know, you don't have to.

You could put out the worst product ever and know you. You'll still get a big check at the end.

Yeah. You do know.

And Pittsburgh Pirates are going to make money. Jerry Heidorf has figured it out.

He's a genius.

He bought it. He bought the White Sox and the Bulls for like a bushel of blueberries. Now they're billions of dollars.

When you frame it like that. The man is a business genius, but that's the darkness. Man is like in football if you crap the bed, you get punished for it. And that is a debate. There's a team, Tottenham Hotspur, who are historically a powerhouse, they have, like, just completely and utterly destroyed the team culture. The fans hate the players. The players hate the fans. The players hate the everyone. And they're in deep, deep, deep danger of being relegated.

They were up one nothing on Crystal palace when I just walked by the gambling.

I love you. If you'd walk back minutes later, you'd see they were three one down and all the fans were walking out at halftime. But they're still in the Champions League. They can still win something. And their fans are debating whether they would love to win something and actually get relegated.

Oh, you weren't lying. They're down 3 1.

Are they still down?

Yes.

There you go. God bless the darkness. They are the Chicago Bears of London. I mean, so that's it. But you can't have that in American sports. Whether you would accept, like, a dark, dark punishment. And one. Yeah.

Because it would drive down the prices of the team so much that nobody.

No owners, no one really would pay,

like $6 billion for a team if there's a chance.

And that's what we lose for.

Yeah. We've thrown out the idea that would be great for especially baseball, because everyone's like, how do you fix baseball? The idea that we came up with was, if you have. If you can't go over 500 for five consecutive seasons, you automatically have to sell the team, like, immediately. Five seasons.

Like, to not get to dictate who the buyer is as well as, you

know, it just goes to sale. You have to sell it. Five seasons is crazy. Like, to not be over 500 for five seasons. Baseball.

When are you going to be the commissioner? Is it before or after we have

the U.S. that was our. That is our best idea. There's a lot worse. It's like an iceberg. You don't want to go to down. You don't want to see what's underneath. With some of our.

I thought you were going to say you want relegation. You can move the packet. Red Sox up to the major leagues. I think it would be unbelievable.

It would be incredible. Yeah. It's just. It's never going to happen the way that they. They write in. I love the bylaws.

You guys are mad. It's like you've just defended why it doesn't happen here. Because the team's values would.

I. I don't hate it, but it's. I mean, I do hate it, but it's the reality and it's never going to change. Like the one thing that I always say is, is European sports fans have it figured out better than we do. They don't take any. If the teams like try to them over. If they try to raise ticket prices, if they're in the middle of a dry spell, like the fans will do the walkout. They'll do a walk.

You do. I mean like any, any self respecting fan base would go to the training ground and threaten the players with crowbars. That's what you do.

Now in America we just say, hey, we're tanking. This is awesome.

By the way. When I first watched the NFL, it was a New Orleans Saints bad season. It was 85 and, and I watched the Saints put the fans put paper bags on their heads and be the eights.

Yeah.

And I'd never seen like fan. I was like, I looked at it, I thought, oh my God. Like they are just, they've still got the beer, they've still got the hot dog. Life's not that bad. But they were making a joke out of it.

Yeah.

I was like, why are they not ripping their shirts off, jumping onto the field and trying to kick the crap out of the players. That probably would not have ended well for the fans. Like, there's an England. But like you get that's the biggest difference between all of this.

Yeah.

Is and the American owners of the Premier League teams. You, that's crazy. You let your owners move teams, right?

Yeah.

But you're like so compliant. You're like, yeah, of course. Yeah. They own it. They can do what they want, man.

Yeah.

Well, no, we hate it, but it's

just can't do it.

It's a reality that we've kind of accepted. Like the owner of the Athletics, John Fisher, like that guy.

Oh yeah, we did. We literally, we went like months where

we said every podcast like that bad human being. I, I don't care that like he's making a lot of money. Good for his family, I guess. But you have to realize that the one thing we don't have in America, the owners of these teams, they don't, they don't really care about the communities that they buy teams in. They just, they want their investment.

Why you would, I don't understand why you would like cheer for the Rams. It's like when you've cheated, when you've moved to another city, they, it could happen again. I don't know why the Raiders like the Las Vegas, but that's also an

NFL problem because the NFL wants the big money markets. The NFL is the one that pushed them to do that.

But like the American owners go over to England, they buy the Premier League teams, and when you speak to them, they'll be like, okay, we see them as vastly underdeveloped. And we said, what does that mean? They'll be like, they're essentially content platforms. We're gonna. Yeah, they're not really content platforms.

This is our, is our. This is the reason why our Bears are looking for a new stadium. It's not because the McCaskey. I don't think the McCaskeys like necessarily want to do it. The NFL says, hey, you gotta get a new stadium. So now you're worth $9 billion.

So.

So we're worth $7 billion. Everyone goes up. That's all they're trying to do. It's.

What are we chaming for?

I just, it's tradition at this point. It's just circus.

Right.

I went here when I was a kid. I saw, I used to watch the games. I watched these games with my parents. So I'm going to continue to root for that same thing.

But say the dog league.

Yeah. I think the dog might fix everything. I think that fixed everything. I had a question, another question.

Like an NFLPA in the dog league, is there a union?

Yeah, it's got to be a tiny dog.

Yeah, tiny dog.

That's what we know. It's all over the unionized.

This might be a movie. This might be a new movie that we just created.

Generation Baby to boner dogs.

I, I did. I, I went to, I went to Spain over Christmas and I took a tour of the stadium that they have there, the new Real Madrid stadium. So the, the crazy thing about that place, and it's beautiful. I went inside, I looked around, I was like, this is an amazing stadium. And I couldn't put my finger on why I liked it so much. And then after about like three minutes, it dawned on me. There are no visible advertisements anywhere in the city. They spent like $1.8 billion upgrading it. They put a lot of money into it. But you look around in the States and if you're at like any ballpark, doesn't matter what sport, there's the giant banners everywhere. It's your eyes, they're drawn to it. Everywhere you look. Advertisement, advertisement, billboard. And this giant, giant brand new stadium that cost $2 billion or whatever it is to upgrade. There's just no advertise and it looks clean and looks beautiful. And I thought to myself, like, how, how is this even possible. How. Why. Why are the owners of this team not concerned with making money like in America? What's the difference there?

Because it's an awesome experience to go to a game and not have to look at all that stuff.

Wait till. Shahid, they come over here on their tour and they see the Jacksonville Jaguar Stadium with the Jacuzzis, and they're gonna go back.

Careful, careful. Don't talk about it. I'll draw. Yeah, don't go.

Don't go near them.

Talk about the Jaguars pool.

Have I just hit enough?

No, the pool is the best.

I'm gonna. Yeah. God. That'll be. They'll be bringing all that. But it is. The Americans are like. It is content platforms. It is so unbelievably crazy. I don't know what we're cheering for. Dog leagues. You can ask me something. Yeah.

All right. I was going to ask you in the history of the World cup, because this is the book I love.

I love the history for me.

Best champion ever. What's the team where you're like, that was the team.

United States, 2034. 2038. The best. I mean, the. The World cup ended 2022. I mean, it's quite a cliffhanger if it was a television series. Ended like, you know. Wow. I can't wait for the next one with Lionel Messi. Argentina, my goat. That's fighting tour.

Why?

Yeah.

Oh, Ronaldo's bigger and stronger than everyone beings.

There's a Ronaldo kind of human being, and there's a Lionel Messi kind of.

Yeah, I'm Maradona.

Yeah.

By the way, he did everything Messi did on cocaine.

Yeah.

And he was fatter.

Yeah, true. And I just live life.

Yeah.

Just live.

That's one way to put it.

Just live life. The Maradona thing, the Mets, a Messi and Mbappe. That was like. I don't know what. What super bowl that would be. That was just like Plato's Cave football. That was just like. Well, I don't like to be hyperbole. It was like watching Homer's Odyssey, like, acted out live of every. I mean, that was. They were just trading goals. Biggest moment, this human being. Little Lionel Messi. Tiny little man, looks like he's wandered out of super cuts. But it's like, oh, my God. Just transcendent football star. Four times he'd failed the Maradona thing. Lingering like Maradona in heaven. You're not as good as me. You can never be as great as me until you win. He's on teams that are crazy, like reckless, I mean, just insane. All they wanted to do was just, you know, eat the beef, drink the beer, not win the football. Everything was on him. Loses his first game to Saudi Arabia, which was just like, oh my God, it's happening again. And instead digs deeper and ends up winning. It's like watching Sisyphus like roll that rock up the hill. Marvel Levy would have been looking down from heaven.

Be like, respect you got there.

Marvel Levy still alive.

Is He Really?

Yeah.

100.

Really? 100. That makes me so happy.

I know.

Is he really alive?

Yes.

Oh, God bless you, Marv Levy.

Yeah.

God, yeah.

Isn't that great? He actually lives in Chicago now.

You're winding me up.

Swear to God. I actually went and did a radio remote with him like seven years ago. He was still sharp as to compared be.

I'm so unbelievably happy, Jen, if you're winding me up.

No, I would not joke.

I want you to know if 100 years, if I find out he's dead, I am going to be crushed.

The only reason I bring it up is because Eddie, who you met before the Bears packers game, when we saw you, saw you on the sideline, Eddie texted me the other day, he's like, hey, do you think we should see if Marv Levy will come in?

I was like, yeah, big call for more.

Yeah.

By the way, the first time I ever came to Chicago, 1986, after the super. After the first American Bowl, I stayed with a Chicago kid in Northbrook and he took me to see his grandma. We were going out to Carson's Ribs. That was very fancy back in the day. I went to pick his grandma up. I was just like this 15 year old kid in a tower block on Lakeshore Drive. And she goes, you should introduce him to my neighbor. I was like, who's your neighbor? She goes, goes, sid Luckman.

Oh, look at that.

I was like, what? And genuinely, I rang his doorbell. This beautiful, lovely, gorgeous old man with like old man handwriting for the autograph, like the little wobbly. And then I got to spend an afternoon with Sid.

That's incredible.

And now, God, I mean, he was like half Marvel Levy.

Yeah, we gotta get. Yeah, we gotta get Marvel to the Gauntlet. Yeah. All right. So anyway, Messi did that World Cup.

Yeah. That Marvel hanger.

Yeah.

Oh, by the way, the other one there would be Maradona. Man 19 Six, Diego Maradona on a terrible team. This incredible player who, I mean, you would not joking. He like did the blow Monday, Tuesday Wednesday, Thursday, sweated it out. Friday, football, Saturday, then repeat, repeat. I mean, that was who he was. He did. I mean, he was a squat, impudent, like huge. He was like. It was like a running back. He was built like the thighs Reese Jones drew.

Exactly.

You couldn't knock him off the ball. Played England, shadow of the Falkland War. Like, these were my heroes and I still rooted for the English team. And Diego Maradona, this five foot six little man, first goal, he punched. Is this familiar?

Yeah, yeah. A big hand of God.

Yeah. He jumped. He jumped over the goalkeeper, like punched it. I don't know why the television commentator didn't actually see it. Like, it was pretty blatant.

No, var.

Yeah, new var. The referee didn't see it.

It.

And afterwards, an incredible line, man, like out of a Muhammad Ali esque man. He said, they said, did you handle it? And he said, it was a little bit the head of Diego, a little bit the hand of God. Just incredible brandy, man. But then a couple of minutes later, while we're just reeling in agony, like, genuinely, like, I was trying, I was borderline gonna disembowel myself. It was just like my heroes being absolutely ingested this. He destroyed the whole team. He picked the ball up deep and beat all 10 of them. And one of the English players later said it was all. It was a goal. So breathtaking, it was all I could do to not applaud it myself. And so one goal, like bastard. Second goal. And when it was over, I went outside and I don't know if you've ever felt like this after watching a team you love crap the bed with the world watching. I got a soccer ball and just drove it through the window of the house, like, just in agony. Just like, you know, too many teen movies I've probably watched. And my dad, who was a bit of a, you know, he's a bit of a disciplinarian bastard.

The glass was tinkling down and he just looked at me. I was like panting, like desperately sweaty, like young, young James Spader. And he goes, he just goes, son, I understand, I understand.

He's been there.

Yeah. So that's it. Those two. 86.

Yeah.

Last one, please, God. This one?

Yeah.

The world needs a bit of joy. The world needs a bit of connectivity. The world needs a bit of. A bit of coming together and feeling good about itself.

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I feel like we got a good draw. And then England, that felt like they were group of death. Are they group of death?

I mean everyone's going to get out. Every team you care about will get out. So many. It's a very, very large World Cup. Every like three teams out, the four will get out. The thing about America that's amazing is that we were like, yeah, we got these teams we didn't get any good ones. Every other team in our group is looking at us and being like, yeah, we got America. Yeah, we got America. We didn't get when we could have got Argentina, we could have got England and all that.

But when Shaq drew. When Shaq put his hand into the bull and pulled out Australia, he did the Lord's work. It was wonderful. That was a great moment in American history.

Yes.

By the way, you know, they only use balls in drawers when they're trying to fix them now in this day and age, like, with all the technologies that are not. But the amazing thing is how Shaq. Because some of those balls are hot, I imagine.

Yeah.

Some of those balls are very cold. And the amazing thing is because Shaq, that hand is how we like. I mean, it would have been like micro little dots for him. I was incredibly deaf.

Yeah. Great job.

He should get probably. What's the medal that they give out? The thing of honor?

Purple Heart.

Yeah. Medal of Honor. Yeah.

Then, yeah, for that work alone, it was incredible. But, yeah, we should get out the group.

Yeah, we have to get out of that group.

I.

If it's what, Australia, Paraguay. And then to be determined, probably Turkey.

Turkey.

Okay. Turkey's pretty good though, right? They're the ones that we don't want.

They're annoyingly good. We'll get out. We will get out. And God, I've got to say, Landon Donovan, that goal, 2010. Do you even remember that?

Yeah.

They were on the brink of crapping the bed again.

Two, two.

It was. They needed to. Yeah, they needed to be Algeria.

It was like the best. The best distribution ever from Tim Howard on that play.

Right.

It was. It was. I mean, it was. It was. It was like QB1 esque. It was. I mean, it was Friday night lights throughout. Bit of Altar door, bit of Dempsey, London, Donovan.

Two. Two, by the way, was Portugal. That was the best win of all time.

That was the. The best win was the one one with England. When the New York poster. We win one one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that was amazing, though. That was 2010, the Algeria thing. We were like out in the opening where we shat the bed again. We'd failed. And when America fell, if England shit the bed, no one really cares. You know, the Premier League comes back on, everyone forgets. They all find different reasons to hate each other. The. If America fails, it sets the game back like a decade. That's the crazy thing about your.

What's at stake.

Yeah. Like every time they shit the bed, it's you know, it's like 10 years off. And so they scored, and it was beautiful, but it was like dodging a bullet. I mean, they lost in the next game anyway. But it gave you a sports sentiment. That's what football. That's what the Americans need to do. They need to give you moments that. That you register, man. It was. You're the threshold. Big cat.

Yeah.

You have to know what they've done.

Yeah.

And people need to see and. But this World cup will be massive whether they do well or don't do well, because there is an enormous audience now. There is, like, this young, huge footballing audience who, you know, if the US do well, it's magic. If they don't, they'll. 1994 World cup was like, OJ did his thing on the first day. So, like, it kind of like, it's

a good way to put it.

Yeah, he did his thing. Yeah, he did his thing.

He did.

Say what you want about O.J. yeah, 100 O.J.

yeah, he did the thing. He's true to himself.

He did the thing. He did. So, like, no one was talking about the World Cup. It's. The Rockets were playing the next one. They're like, no. And then. And then three days later, Ireland played Italy in the Meadowland, and, like, New Jersey showed up, like, half of them. It was like Angela's Ashes, and half of them looked like the cast of the Sopranos. They were all there, and it was a delirious thing. It showed America that you can all just, like, dig into your roots, like, your hybrid identities. And so whatever happens, like, it will be. You guys. That World cup is still the biggest World cup in terms of attendance.

Oh, wow. Well, yeah, because of our stadiums, too. This one will smash all the records, I assume.

Yeah. You guys love a circus. You love daytime drinking excuses, and you love, like, low productivity and the art. It's like.

Yeah, it's the perfect March Madness. Yeah.

You know what I. What we don't like is the. The time waste. We got to do something about the time wasting.

Yeah.

Why can't we just do, like, why can't the clock just stop when the ball goes out a half?

And the flop. Which is worse? The flopping. The time waste.

The flopping is bad. But it'd be. It'd be better if it wasn't also time waste.

And they also feel like they've kind of figured out the. Like, they fixed it a little bit. A little bit.

Like it's a problem.

Yeah. But, like, I think refs have gotten a Little bit better being like, it's so clear, why don't we have a clock?

Because electricity's only just been invented in England. I think it's part of it.

But PFT is right when you have a game team and there's like, everyone should know, 80 minutes left, or, sorry, it's in the 80th minute and a team is up one nothing or two one, and they just sit on it. It sucks.

Arsenal did that the other day, right?

Are you talking about it? What are you talking about? I think they get that from you.

No, you still don't get first downs. You still gotta get.

They get that from you when you

do shot clock, when you're running the clock out. But you still gotta. The first thing.

We didn't used to do that in the football. We learned that off you.

No, we did.

I'll tell you how it's happening.

It's happening. Like, Joe Mazzulla is now very friendly. There's a football man in Pep Guardiola, and Pep Guardiola and Joe Missoula have got this deep, deep friendship. They both come on our show to talk about each other and they're, like, begging and borrowing. Sean McVay and Kroenke's team, Arsenal, Mikel Arteta, they become very close. So like our coaches who used to exist in their own little world where the only things that mattered were, like, great haircuts, cologne, driving Lambos into lampposts, walking out buying another Lambo. That was what was important about football. And now they're getting your wily American ways. They're learning to run out the clock. You watch the end of an hour,

you still gotta get first.

Collingsworth is just telling us how they're gonna, like, get the minutes off.

You probably think that way because, like, as you grew up watching, you watch English football. So they never had late leads.

Yeah.

So they never had to do that. Oh, with us, it's. It's. It's tough American, though. I hate it. I hate it so bad. Like, it's. If it's the second half, I saw a stat that. It might have been Arsenal, but there was like 50 minutes of gameplay in the 90 minute game.

Yeah. Oh, that's a lot. That's a lot. Yes. All right.

That part you might have gotten from us, because the NFL, I think it's like 11 minutes.

11 minutes.

But.

But in soccer, it's like, we. You come to expect more than that. Like 50 minutes is. It's borderline. Like, you're not watching that sport.

Well, you don't watch it for that, do you? Watch it to see the players speak behind their hands. That's like. You know, there's many, many reasons why we come into crowd shots of large bellied man with Newcastle around there freezing their bits off in the. I mean, there's lots of reasons you watch this crap. I mean, it's the culture. It's all of it.

What about good? What about soccer with no offsides? How. How awesome would that be? Be Sky's cherry picking, I think.

You know what I'm realizing? Football needs a commissioner is what it needs. It needs more invention. Yeah. Needs more. I'm vibing on a couple of these things. I mean, the. The time of the thing is. I don't understand either. You are not wrong why the referee is such a prick. These are I and only I. Yeah. No, I mean, it is. It's like. It's like. It's a vet. In England, we don't have much, man. We used to have an empire, right? We had the Royal Family and on tournament.

Yeah, that's like all great.

We might have had a hand in screwing that one up.

Yeah.

You start. You started it. But they definitely. They definitely. They definitely.

You didn't say no.

Yeah.

So I'm not. I don't. But we had. We had that. We had Downton Abbey. It's over, right?

The Beatles.

Yeah, still got the Beatles.

We always have the Beatles.

But, like, so we don't have much. And so in England, like, when you have a tiny bit of power in life, you'll find it the whole time. Like, you know, if you like, people who have jobs, just love effing other people over when they have a tiny little bit of leverage. It's like a tiny. It's like a petty. And that. The referee. Why is the referee the only one who knows how many minutes are left and doesn't tell anybody? And we're all in the dark. It's like. It's like one of the great vestiges.

He's like a bouncer or a mall security cop.

Yeah.

It's like.

All right, relax, man.

Yeah, yeah. I don't have to tell you. I'm a prick. I can be a prick. I'm being a prick with everybody watching. We have no power. We have no control. I mean, it is remarkable, man.

I think. I think just if you made a rule. Last 20 minutes of the game, the clock stops when the ball goes out of bounds. Y clock stops on every foul, every penalty. What's wrong with that?

Have it. Have a 10. Like the. Like in. In basketball where you can have a five set. You know what I mean? Like if. If you're just standing in the corner trying to shield the defenders and not moving, you got to give the ball the other team.

We are about to enter an American century of football. Like, you guys are only just turning your mind to it in every way. Like J.J. watt last night, there's a var. Is the. Is like the. The rep where they kick the refereeing decisions. It's like when the NFL guys go to the side replay review. Yeah. It's still very bumpy. It takes forever. It takes a long, long time. JJ's team were just effed over at the weekend and he just belted out live onto like the owners in England say nothing. They never speak, they never do any JJ so far. It's terrible. The rule should be, if it's not clear and obvious, it shouldn't take longer than 60 seconds. VAR should be 60 seconds or else no. And it's all over the English papers today. They're just like Burnley owner jj, what has new idea all the. All of this stuff.

Well, this is what America. This is what we do as Americans. If we can't win, we're going to change the rules.

Yes.

We have to change. Change the rules.

Yeah.

Sport is stupid. We have to change until we win. And we will find the balance.

Yeah. And then we take so much pride once we do.

Yeah. They were like, we did it. Yeah.

It was us. I have never felt more optimistic about the future.

We lose, it's unfair. Then when we change the rules, we win and then we just rub it in.

Yeah. We tell everyone else, get better.

We're the best.

We're gonna. We're gonna ruin the game. But we're gonna win. I've got to tell you. Yeah, except that I would bite your arm off for that one.

Absolutely. All right. Well, Roger, it's been awesome. I got one last question again. Everyone go by the book is out now. We are the world.

You are such human being.

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Just.

You don't care about England.

You don't.

You're not picking.

I care about England as much. This won't be clear. Yeah.

You're not.

Because I'm a mom.

Yeah.

That's nice.

Yes. You're not paying against the U.S. so we're taking him out of it. Yeah.

Yeah.

Who's gonna win the World Cup?

If I was a betting man and I still had money left over after all the dog.

You're talking to two betting men right now.

So I would put all of my money, Big Cat, responsibly, all of it

responsible, all of it on.

I love Norway, man.

Shut up.

I just love Norway. I just love it. Do it. By the way. Don't think about it. You know the best bet to just impulse. Norway. They've not been in the tournament for a generation.

Oh, that's great.

They've got a talent soak squad and they've got. Does the word Erling Haaland mean anything?

Yeah, Big, big, big Thor.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Big bloody Thor. Thor wishes, man. He's like. He's like. Remember when Shaq came into the NBA and he just, like, was just different, and he was breaking backboards, and every night it was just like, what did he do? Erling Harlan. Is that. Is that man. He's like, just. It's like Chat. GPT created a footballer. It's. I mean, he is just so powerful, so dominant. He's quite funny, too. He's the. The longer he's gone on, the more he's developed a Persona. And with him leading this talent squad,

they're only 25 to 1. That's not. I thought it was a lot crazier.

That's.

By the way, It's a very.

5, 6, 7, the 9th. Best odds.

Don't even think.

That's not.

Don't even think, please.

If they win you.

If I put your kids through college, Big Cat, it's all I can do to, like, repay you.

Yeah.

Generosity of spirit and your joy and all that crap.

Norway.

Best bets are just impulsive, man. Go on.

It doesn't help that Italy's 30 to 1 and they're not even in it.

Not in it.

Yeah.

They could be, though. They might be now. Norway, Spain, France, God, anyone but England, baby. Anybody? Anybody?

Very US is 65 to 1.

The other one we got to know because, like, when we just hop into sports, we have to know, like, what's the narrative around. Is there a guy that hasn't won the big one? Is there a guy in soccer that's. That's been, like, anointed as one of the greatest players in the world, but for whatever reason, they've choked in the World Cup?

There is one and one man only in his name. Name is Christian Pulisic. No, it's Ronaldo, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We call him Penaldo.

Yeah.

I mean, he's like. I was in. In the Euros, a European tournament in Ukraine in 2012, and I couldn't get a hotel room. I had to sleep in the. In the street overnight. And then the next day, the hotel came out and said, hey, we've got a room for you. I was like, cool. They go, Portugal just lost. The whole team have left the hotel. Hotel. And I got Ronaldo's room and I walked in and, like, the air was, like, dangerously. It was dangerously. It wasn't like, just a tiny hint. It was, like, thick with Dracon Noir. And I slept there. I slept there for two nights. And genuinely, for about 14 months after that, I smelt unbelievable. And everyone I shook hands with smelt of Cristiano and Alde, too. And I was just, like, putting his vibe out into the world.

World.

He said, I mean, he's a preening Portuguese. Like a show.

He hasn't won the big one.

He's not in it. Destroy. You know, if you ask him. Get him on the show, man. Get him on the show. Because you. When you're in, like, really fit mode, that's what you remind me of, man.

Oh, really?

Yeah. I think you'd have a lot.

A preening show pony.

Yeah, yeah. Like eight. Eight abs, man.

Yeah.

And he's like, I wonder when you do get him on this couch, on your casting couch that you.

You.

If you ask him, what. What would he like, what pisses him off more, that he's never won it as a hyper competitive person or that Lionel Messi just did.

Yeah.

And I bet you genuinely.

Yeah.

He'll tell you that he's never won it, but it will be.

Oh, yeah.

Like, the thing that makes him scream into the abyss and, like, angry and extra almond at night sometimes. Is that. That little bastard.

And he's better than him.

Yeah, way better. Ronaldo's not even the best Ronaldo. No, he's like the third best Ronaldo.

Yeah.

It's what you must feel like about Colin Coward. Right? It's like that kind of like that. It's like that level of like.

Yeah. I mean, you got. You got Ronaldo, then you got Fat Ronaldo, then you got Ronaldinho. And then you got Cristiano. He's the fourth best Ronaldo.

God, this is real knowledge. And Ronaldinho had another name. I can't remember what it was.

He got Jar Jar Banks.

He go, do you talk about the Ronaldo conspiracy theories? The Brazilian fat Ronaldo in this. This book?

I do. God, you've got incredible knowledge. Does he like football? No. But does he like conspiracy theories? Yummy. Yummy.

Yeah.

Is that what it is?

Yeah. So go buy the book.

It is. It's all in there. I answer, I get to the bottom of it.

Good theories about the 98 World Cup.

It was the man on the grassy knot. That's who did it. That's who did it.

Nike.

Yes, it was actually.

Roger, thank you. You're the best. And we'll have you back on during the World Cup.

Big cat. You, a gorgeous human being. What you do for football. Bull.

You can't even say a straight face. Oh, man. All right. Thank you.

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and so your dad went to Home Depot for you?

We just. I, I had. He just ordered it for me. It was a nice gift from my dad. Shout out to my dad.

He's upgraded the spider defense UN unit at his house. You got the iron?

No, I, I'm not like your dad. Your dad made a great move. I'm saying, like, you could have gone and gotten that.

I had some stuff myself and my dad was. Just sent me a better version of what I had. Yeah, it was, it was a kind gesture.

The iron foam. That's what they're calling it.

I didn't go to the dentist since before COVID and, and I went a few weeks ago, and then I, I went yesterday and had to get like a crown put in and like three fillings. And it was, it was just a, it was a horrible experience. One of the worst three hours of my life. The dental assistant. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna roast them. But it was, it was, it was just a horrible experience. And the whole time I was like, I just, you know, it's the classic. If you just go every six months, it wouldn't be that bad. Yeah, but if you wait forever and then go, it's way worse. And it was.

I should probably go, I should probably go back at some point, but they're just going to tell me that I need to have four wisdom teeth out. And I kind of don't want to hear that news, but feel like, go ahead, roast them. Why aren't you roasting?

I. I don't know.

It was, it was just. They were like. It was just, it was too. It was like, it's going to take two hours. They're like, all right, it's 10 minutes left. You're pretty much done. They just have to put this little crown temporary thing in. And she, she tried like four times. And then I could tell that she was getting flustered and it was one of those awkward moments where, like, she

tried to put it in she was like, she couldn't put it in.

She couldn't. She failed, like, four times. Like, she was putting it in and then had to pull it out.

And she put it in again.

Put it in again.

She. Getting there.

Pulled it out at any point? No. And she wasn't talking either. Like, she was. There was silent. There was a silence. You know, it was just like.

It was like, she didn't give you, like a. This never happened. Happens to me.

No.

And she wasn't. Yeah, she was like, this should have been quicker, but I just can't do it.

And were you like, can you tell me?

I was like, don't worry, I got time. Like, I can. I can wait. But it was. It was awkward. And then eventually the dentist had to come over and just do it.

Oh, so somebody else had to.

Yeah, she finished the job.

Oh, the dentist was a woman that

told a woman and so was the other dentist. Yep.

Assistant. Okay. But, yeah, it just. Just. I mean, it's not like, breaking news. The dentist sucks.

Sucks.

It was just like. It was just a. It was just. It was bad experience.

This is one of my ideas that we got to put the dentist on. On airplanes. So you just kill two birds, one stone. It's like, hey, I have to go somewhere. I'm going to be trapped in an airplane. Let me just do the dentist stuff now.

What do you think about just a dentist where they knock you out? I'm down for that. They treat it like surgery. Yeah.

Yeah. I actually.

I just don't think they do that.

Unfortunately, they might. I actually. I still have to go back. I just. It was my left side. I still have stuff to do on

my right side, and you can ask.

And they were like, there's. There's something you can do to get taken out. She also said I was like, the bravest, strongest boy she's ever had.

Wow, that was nice.

She doesn't say that.

That's awesome.

No chance. She says that to everyone.

She like, wow, you're so brave.

She give you a lollipop after?

Yeah. Sticker.

Did you look at the. Did you look at the fish in the tank in the. In the lobby?

No.

You're the bravest boy we've had.

Oh, he gets a sheriff's bag.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dennis sucks. Dennis sucks.

It does.

I'm happy you got the spiders figured out.

Thoughts and prayers.

We'll see.

I'm not. I'm not speaking too soon. It's not. It's not spider season yet. Gotta wait for the warm.

When do you Like, I don't know

where they are, but they're not.

You gotta get to where they're.

It'll probably be like, when we come back from Arizona, and then, like, once it's like, you know. Yeah. A week or so of warm weather.

But I'm saying you got to go bomb their house. You got to get them. Like, they got ayatollah.

Yeah. No, the problem is there's just parts. There's parts that I can't access. I've talked about this before. You need to bump way too much.

There's cracks that you can't get.

No, there's just. Yeah, there's like, I have a balcony where I can. I can just secure the perimeter, but then there's, like, a window in my bedroom that I can't get to the outside, and I can just see them.

I've got. Yeah. Can you look up, like, what spiders love to build their nests in?

Well, then, you crazy.

You can create, like, spiderman.

They fly from across the lake. They fly from Indiana spiders fly across the lake.

You got some Indiana spiders that land on your balcony?

Yes, look, I've looked it up.

It's a thing.

Yes.

From across the list.

One of those things I want to make. That's why there's so many lakes.

Across the lake wouldn't be Indiana, but. Yeah. Like Michigan. They're flying from Michigan.

It could be Indiana a little bit.

But that's not more.

That's not cross.

I mean, we got. We got bears moving to Indiana. We can have spiders moving back.

But that's.

That's. That's why. Because I'm like, why the. Are there so many spiders? And it's common all across.

Like, what are these spiders called?

I'm not sure.

Flying spiders.

I'm just googling spiders flying across Lake Michigan. Michigan.

Okay.

The balloon spider.

Yeah.

That's what.

Oh, balloon spider.

They might balloon fly.

Do balloon spiders fly? Spiders use silk to catch. Right. Fly by a process called ballooning. Young spiders usually balloon, chiefly disperse after hatching.

Wow.

Never knew that, Hank.

Yeah. So it's not out because it's not scary. It's all. It's all buildings, like, within proximity to the lake because.

So they're like little drones. Yes.

You're getting drone strikes.

Yes. So, yeah, the. The. You know, there's always. There's always a threat. Like, it's not. The war's never over.

The second you let your guard down, the second they come back. Yeah.

And you just have to have a, you know, spot where when they land it's like the. They don't want to land on, so they go to someone else.

Stay vigilant.

Yeah.

All right. PFD your fire fest.

I had a pretty good week. Really good week, actually. But I made one big mistake yesterday, which was I. I was a little bit hungry at work.

Work.

And I went to the closet, our snack closet, which is wonderful. I'm glad that we are lucky enough to work in an office where we have ample snacks. And I'm trying to eat a healthy snack this time. And so I'm looking to see what we have. And I ate one of the. One of the birthday cake flavored protein bars yesterday in the afternoon. And I've never farted as much in my entire life in the 18 hours since I ate that thing as I have. As I have now.

What else did you eat?

Sweet.

I had a meatball soup for dinner last night.

That could be. Yeah, I'd say that. Turkey meatball soup suspect number one.

You think turkey meatball soup. I eat soup almost every day. If anyone has a gut that can.

Meatball soup sounds like a fart.

But there was no.

It's not fart factory. Why eating a fart?

It's protein.

I understand, but meatball soup, protein bar is protein.

Yeah, that's true. That's a, That's a fair point. But this is like. Listen, turkey meatballs.

Turkey meatballs are good.

They won't make you fart. No, no, no, no.

Listen, meatball soup is delicious. I'm not saying against meatballs. If I eat meatball soup, I'm expecting to fart. Okay.

All right. Put your money where your mouth is.

Eat.

Eat two of these protein bars and then you tell me if you fart.

Well, no, I gotta eat the meatball soup first.

You had it.

Yeah, I had this exact thing.

Did you fart a lot?

Do you. I think he said he had meatball soup too.

No, I didn't have meatball soup, but I did have one of the. One of the protein bars.

Yeah.

Did you fart more than normal?

Normal?

I. I don't. I don't think so.

We also went to 13 fast food restaurants on Tuesday night.

That is true.

I've also had the only one who didn't puke.

I've had like a protein cookie before that's made me fart a bunch. But I'm telling you, like, there was a, a point in the middle of the night last night when I woke up in bed and I farted pretty much non stop for about two minutes.

I want the Meatball soup. Meatball soup.

It was so good.

I want the meatball soup.

Looks good.

I'd like to try the meatball soup to see. See if it's.

I think we should order something.

Yeah, you want to get some meatball soup?

Can you get us some? Yeah. All right.

And we'll monitor the situation.

Yeah, I would like to see if that makes me fart.

Listen, it was not the meat. I'm telling you. It was this protein bar.

We'll eat the meatball soup.

You eat the protein bar. I'm telling you. Like, there was about, Honestly, about a 10 hour stretch where I didn't go longer than 30 seconds without farting.

I want them.

It was the craziest thing ever.

Sounds like smelly ones or just like. No toots.

No, just like it was constant tooting last night.

The meatball soup is. Is the Tim Robinson hot dog. It's like we're all trying to find

the guy who did it. It's not the meat. You guys are fixated on the meatball soup. I think it's. That's a pretty standard, healthy dinner.

I, I Turkey.

I'm on.

I'm on. That's.

Say meatball anything and back like I'm.

Turkey meatballs are.

This is not Max. Can't be Max. We're saying you have to recuse yourself.

Turkey.

Literally.

We say meatball poison. You're like, I'll try it.

Meatball.

No.

Meatball soup. Good.

Meatball soup.

I like meatball soup. I'm not knocking meatball soup. I'm just saying I, I would most likely fart if I had meatball soup.

If you fart when you have meatball soup, then you fart when you have anything. We're talking. I have chicken broth, turkey meatballs. There was cauliflower gnocchi from Trader Joe's that was in there.

Those are good.

Really good. There was no me.

Is far fart.

Cauliflower gnocchi.

Fart. Sounds like a fart.

Does cauliflower make you fart?

Noki does.

Yes.

Cauliflower is well known to cause gas and farting in many people.

Okay. Could have been the cauliflower.

Could have been the cauliflower. As a. As a crucifix cruise cruise. Cruciferous vegetable. It contains high amounts of fiber and a complex sugar called raffinose, which the body struggles to digest, leading to a fermentation in the gut. It also contains sulfur compounds that can produce.

I think if you asked. If you asked.

Everything makes you fart.

Yeah, everything makes you fart.

Look up.

Do protein bars make you fart? Because I guarantee you that's a yes.

Yeah, everything makes you fart.

But,

yes, protein bars frequently cause gas, bloating, flatulence, sugar, alcohol is in there.

This is what's a random. I think everything makes you. I think if we ask.

Foods don't make you fart.

Yeah, good question.

Someone throw food out there.

Carrots, celery, chicken, fish, eggs.

But that's cap. Eggs make me fart the worst when

they smell like a fart. Yeah, but that was a little less. That's a white rice.

Quinoa.

It turns out that just life makes you fart. Yeah.

All right. Rice doesn't.

Generally does not cause gas. So rice no farts.

It's like what you feed your dog when they have an upset stomach.

Yeah.

Like boiled rice and pumpkin.

Yeah.

And just like boiled beef.

Are you getting the meatball soup, Hank? I got to.

We got to get the name of the place once the show ends.

Okay.

Okay.

I thought you made it.

Pft.

We're going to.

Oh, you made it.

I made homemade turkey meatball soup.

All right. Can we just order some meatball soup, though?

I got leftovers.

I just like to order some meatball soup.

I'll get you one.

Now that we're talking about it, I can. I can drive to my house and pick up the meatball soup, and we can experiment.

I guess we could experiment.

Okay.

But also order some backup, just in case.

Why meatballs? Only 15 needs to drive home.

We have to have the same meatball soup if we're. If we're honestly making it right.

Order some backup. If we. If you don't have enough meatball soup

for all of us, there's a lot of meatball soup.

All right, so we're good.

Okay. You're gonna go get it.

I'll go get it.

All right.

We'll sit in a room with a

microphone, and Zach will eat the protein bar.

Yeah, I'm in for birthday cake all day.

Okay.

Okay.

Zach eats a protein bar. We eat to meatball soup.

The.

My fire fest. I have two. One first broken bone in my house for my kids. My. My son broke his wrist, which I. I. Were you guys bone break kids? I was big time. Broke my bones all the time.

You mean like. Like I broke elementary school?

Yeah, Like I broke. I broke my wrist multiple times. Broke my ankle. Never broke a bone before.

Nope.

Before last year when I got drunk and, you know.

Oh, yeah, you broke your foot.

I broke my arm. I broke my arm, like, three times.

Yeah.

In the course of, like, two years.

So I told him.

I was like, that's how my ambidextrousness started.

Yeah. I broke my leg in second grade.

Yeah. And I. So, like, he was obviously nervous because he's like, I. You know, for a little six year old, you're just like, this sucks. I broke my arm. I was just like, look, dude, I broke my arm a ton when I was a kid, and look how rich I him. And he was just like, what? It's a good point. Yeah. But no, it was.

It.

I. It. It quickly went from this sucks to you forget that a broken bone in elementary school is the biggest news possible. Like, the whole school is like, can we see his cat?

It's kind of a flex. Yeah.

He. He's loving the attention. He's just like, this is awesome. We got. He's. He's got the cast.

He's.

They also. Did you notice they make waterproof cast now that have to get wet.

Oh, so you don't even. You don't even have to give up the pool in the summertime. Nothing that rocks.

He. It actually is bad if he doesn't get it wet every day.

That rock.

Isn't that insane?

Yeah.

It'll come a long way with Cass.

Worst part, by far of breaking your leg or your ankle or your foot is trying to figure out how to take a bath or a shower. Yeah. Because it's impossible.

And it just smelled. I remember it smelling so bad when you take it off.

Like, you.

It would eventually. Like, we just put like a garbage bag over my cast and, like, shower.

Oh, yeah.

Definitely was. It was still getting wet.

Yes.

You should have the doctor, like, when he. Is he going to get surgery? No, you should have the doctor do a surgery and be like, tighten up the ligaments so he can throw faster. Yeah.

The. It was also his offhand. He's a lefty, so he broke his right wrist. So that's. That's not bad. And kids heal so fast. It's insane. Like, if I broke my wrist right now, I'd be out for months. Yeah.

It's also a good time to break out. Like, way better than the summer.

Yeah.

I told him that. I was like, you're gonna be in a cast for a month. You'll be fine.

Honestly. Makes the second half of the school year fly by.

He's. And he. Again, he is. He walked in with us. He walked in like he had the Vince McMahon walk walking into school today where he was. Because he. He went from Monday. He got like, the temporary cast. Then Wednesday, he got the. The hard cast, and he was like, check this thing out. So the other thing, my kids are in that age where they're, like, starting to learn about death and everything, and it's, you know, a lot of questions about death. And we were in the car the other day, my whole family. So it was me, my wife, and my three kids in the back seat. And my. My. I've talked about it a little bit before. My wife's mother passed away a few years ago from als. Really sad. Please support ALS research. But either way, we were talking about it, and 1. And my son's like, hey, so your mom, when she died, how old was she? My. My. My wife was like, 67. And then my daughter just goes, six seven, right interface. I was like, God damn it. It was just the perfect timing. Couldn't help but laugh. Yeah, the six seven of your dead mom is.

Is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's her grandmother.

Yeah.

And she's 6 7. Her death, it's.

It's like the most possible inappropriate usage of it. But the fact that it was so funny, such an innocent place, makes it the fun.

Oh, we both cracked up very hard. They were just like, why are you laughing? It's like, forget it. Don't worry about it, Zach.

My fair face. This week is so we spin. We spent a significant amount of time in the golf simulator for the stream last week. It was me, Hank and Max. I've never been more frustrated at a day here since then. It was the most frustrated I've ever been. So I spent this last week, probably three different YouTube sessions just kind of googling, how do you swing a golf club? How does this work? There's got to be a way to do better than we did there, because I know similar golf is easier than regular golf. So I can't even imagine what those swings look like, like, in real life, irl. And I've come to the conclusion that, like, I know you got to be. Golf's an adult thing. To be an adult male, you need to be semi competent on the golf course.

And I don't think I'm ever going

to be able to do that. And it's never been more infuriating. I just think I'm. I'm cooked. As an adult male, I don't think I'll ever have the opportunity to be a golfer.

I've never seen Zach as angry as I saw him. And like, we.

We.

We took a little.

Little sidebar at one point. Yeah. Ice cream Break.

He.

He was legitimately furious about, like, how poorly they were doing in the sim.

So, Zach, here's the positive spin zone. It's not like you joined a golf podcast.

That's true, but I feel.

No, you did, actually.

We frequent a lot of golf. That's the thing. That's the thing.

Yeah.

That's not true. Zach. Have you thought about maybe Mayo socks just cures everything.

We put Mayo socks on the table the other day via Twitter. Didn't reach what we needed for the, for the Mayo feet. I'll dip my feet into anything probably to get, like, it's the most emasculate. I. I felt. I felt small in the golf, so I've never felt that small.

You're not small.

You're not.

You're not small. And also the beauty golf is. You don't have to be. You don't have to be good at golf. You just have to be good at hanging. Like, if you can. If you can be an enjoyable, enjoyable hang while you golf poorly, it's still going to be a good experience.

No, you got to.

You got.

As a bad golfer, you got.

You got to be not terrible.

You got to be a little good.

Yeah.

You got to be.

Not every.

Feel like a. When you're out there and everyone else is moving down the course and you. I. That's why when I golf with my friends that are good, I just don't even play half the holes because, yeah, that's.

This, That's.

That's fine.

But like, but it's not fun.

But. Yeah, you gotta.

It depends on your attitude, too. Nothing's worse if you suck and your energy vampire just.

Yeah.

You can't be an editor. You can't be the guy guy. If you're the guy that sucks, you have to know that you're the guy that sucks.

Yeah.

Yeah. I don't play half of my shots. Yeah, I just. I'm just like, I'm not going to get that.

Max. You don't have a great time when you hit the bad shots, but when you hit those sick drives, you're like, that was awesome.

Yeah.

And that's why I always say, like. And I, I believe it more. The more people I talk to that play golf at a high level. I genuinely think the sweet. The best golfer that you can be is like, if you shoot a 90, that is the most fun you can have golfing possible because all the good shots feel amazing. The bad shots are just like, whatever, I suck. So who cares if you shoot a 90? That's the most fun. If you shoot in the 70s consistently, you're miserable when you play golf because you miss so many shots or anything that. Anything that's like borderline not a great shot, you beat yourself up over.

Yeah.

Like, if you can shoot in the 70s and you shoot like an 81, you had a terrible day.

Terrible day. It'll ruin your week.

What's the fun in that?

But you shoot. If you usually shoot like a 95 and you shoot a 90, you had the best time ever playing golf that day.

I agree.

I would just like to break it

because that's exactly where I'm at.

Is already realistically break 50 on an. On a nine hole. Because I'm more of a nine hole guy.

Yeah, we're nine hole guys big time.

I don't know even know if you can get excited about the good shots when you're a bad golfer because you, you.

Oh, yes, you do.

You know, it was an accident.

What if I didn't do that every time?

No, you're like, that's the one that keeps you coming back.

You know it was an accident. Like, I'm not. I didn't really mean to do that.

No, you could get excited. Like, maybe this is like every time I hit a good shot on a golf course, I'm like, I have. I'm never hitting a bad shot again. Like, that's it. Something. Something clicked. You're like, you figured it out. Like, oh, I figured it out. Like, I'm. I'm one step away from the pros.

The go.

The YouTube searches went so poorly. My last search was like, how do you cheat in golf?

The easiest sport to cheat.

Oh, yeah.

Actually, Zach, we should get.

Get.

I meant to order that club a while ago. The one that's just the one that you hold up to it and you press a button.

Ask.

KD's been using it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cuz he's hurt.

We got to get Cabo.

He just had one of those.

Yeah, he's got the. The one that shoots it.

Yeah, I'm going do it right now.

Yeah, we'll get you one of those. Max, you have a fire fest from Tuesday night. So we did the Doug Doug challenge second year in a row. Max and I did it. We went. Nine of us went to 13 restaurants and had to order the thing right before the order. The exact order. The person right before us was in the drive through and it was doubled. Doubled. And we had so much food puked everywhere. How you feeling?

Yeah, I am my fire fest about that is That I. Surprise. I felt like, okay.

Like, I should have.

I ate so much food, and I was like, I should feel worse. Worse than I did. Like, I ate so much food that night, and it hasn't really.

Like, I just miss.

I just had a normal day yesterday.

I missed the camaraderie with the boys.

It was fun.

It was fun. It's also, like, just moments that you'll never like. We got. We went to Taco Bell, and we got discovery boxes, which are. They're. It's like two chalupas, a burrito, chips, and all this stuff. And I was. I ate the chalupas.

No problem.

I was struggling with the burrito because it wasn't. I didn't like it.

It.

And Max just looked at me. He's like, you're full. Give me that burrito. And he just took it off my hands like a. Just. Just a great teammate.

I got this.

Yeah. Because I. You could see it in my face. Like, I don't like this burrito.

He ain't heavy.

He's my brother.

Wet. Not.

Wasn't good. I mean, last one. Do you have Fire Fest? No. My week was sick. You sure? Yeah. Nothing. You tweeted maybe a little. Didn't let anything settle a little bit.

Settled?

Yeah. Like, Lou Holt's dying. Oh, yeah. My bad, Lou.

All right. I. Hannah, I. I approved this. I approved the tweet.

Okay. What was the. What was. For the people who missed it, the

tweet was, lou Holtz just passed away. And then Memes tweeted the meme of. The guy stopped by my biggest haters funeral. He said, this is from Ryan Day. Yeah, Ryan Day right now. Little question, a little quick on the draw. It's probably like five seconds after he died. Yeah. But Memes and I had a little discussion, and we just ran through a bunch of simulations about, like, you know how they have people that write obituaries that have them ready to go just in case people pass away?

Yeah.

Like, we did some. Some simulation drills on, like, celebrities that die. Memes, quick, what do you tweet out about this guy? And he was doing really, really good. And then Hank came in, and Hank. Actually, Hank beat Memes at the simulated obituary meme game.

Game.

That's crazy. Yeah. Did you see what. Some of. Some of the obituaries, I think it was maybe Robert Redford, the obituary writer, had died 10 years prior, a long time ago. Yeah.

But this one was, I think. What do we simulate? Goodell. Like, Roger Goodell passes away, and then Hank chimes In immediately goes NFL players right now. And it's all the soldiers reading the magazine that says Hitler dead. Just beasted on memes right in his face.

Good one. Out.

Memes them.

Yeah.

Okay. Good show, boys. Numbers. Someone gonna get it?

8.

Go.

2.

23.

I'll go 85.

56.

I'm just reading these comments. A lot of the people. People in the comments are defending you. Be like, this shit's hilarious.

I didn't think it was that bad.

I also think that anybody. 86.

He's kind of been dead for a couple. I know. He said it wasn't that big.

80 plus, like, you had a great run, right? I think jokes just let him fly.

23.

Yeah.

Lou would have loved that. All right, everyone say their number two for two sandwiches.

85.

Someone's got to get going on this machine. 45. Anyone? Anyone?

One more, one more.

One more.

8.

One more.

Same numbers.

2.

23. This would break my heart if it was.

You want to break your heart, Use

you first too face. 82.

82.

Oh, Shane, sh. Two sandwiches.

So close. Happy birthday.

Why does he keep saying you?

Oh, Happy birthday to Kyle Trask. How about that? Happy birthday, Cal Trask and Harriet Tubman and Shaq.

Love you guys.

Sa.