Transcript of Kylie on Makeup in the Delivery Room, Red Carpet Run-Ins & RomCom Queendom with Kate Hudson | Ep. 13

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It tastes more crisp and refreshing. That's all. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsi, Great British Bake Off fan, professional water bottle filler to three children. And I once wore a vintage Eagles's jacket for an EIF auction. I'm so glad we raise money, but I still don't like being in front of a camera. Coming up on today's episode, I'm nearly nine months pregnant, and therefore my TikTok algorithm is giving me all sorts of pack my hospital bag videos. I have a lot to say on that in Doomscroll the Week. And after that, I'll be joined by Oscar nominated actress, Kate Hudson. We're going to talk about growing up in the spotlight, her new show Running Point, and of course, my favorite rom-com, How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. I I have no business speaking to her either. Before we do all that, I do have an update on the NGL fan base name. In the spirit of complete honesty, as I always am around here, I changed my mind. Anyone that lives with a pregnant person knows that hormones will get the best of you, and sometimes you decide something and then promptly change your mind.

We've got a couple of new pitches to consider as much as I do love NGLers. I don't want the name of the show in the fan base name, I think. I think that's what will fix it. I'm going to shout out a few new suggestions. First up, one of my favorite TikTok creators, @mdoodlesandstuff, posted an entire TikTok predicting the name of our fans. This is the same creator who created a video before we had Bennett, and I commented on it saying it was as if she had bugged our house because she was so spot on with the guesses of our kids' potential names. Emma, Queen Emma, Queen Emma, roll the clip.

So far, their ideas have been terrible. Kylie's Queens Princess Squad caused a visceral reaction. Kelly Kelsey is no princess. She's a fearless leader. She's an alpha type. She's not doing sideline photo shoots and pleather checkings. In the Philadelphia Eagles subreddit, someone asked, Egl fans, what do you call and a popular response reads, We don't need some dumb ass nickname. We are Philadelphia. Sheared on with, Keep your nicknames. We don't want them. We're damn real. I personally believe that these responses could be three separate burner accounts of Kylie Kelsey. I have three ideas. The Kylie. You hear Kylie at the beginning, and then it turns the sports. I think this one particularly fits because the acronym NGL for the podcast is only one letter away from NFL, a league that Kylie and many KyLeague fans have an affinity for. If you want to tone down the sports theme, increase the fearless camaraderie, and shift from KyLeague to KyLeaders.

So two of the the names that she brought up there are the Ky League and the Ky Leaders. I don't mind either of those. But we know that I don't love when my name's in it because I feel like it's self-centered. I don't know how to say that any other way. I don't like being the center of attention. I'm aware that I'm on my own podcast right now. Moving on. In full transparency, we just had a little sidebar with Queen Emma and another queen on our team, Nicole, who does our socials. Poor Nicole. We're going to hit this list with a head-to-head situation to narrow it down to three options. I'm going to need you guys to be following us on our socials @nglwithkiley, so that you can make sure that you vote. We will do a head-to-head, three head to heads and then put it into a poll. I need you guys to buckle up and take some ownership here because my pregnancy brain won't let me make a definitive decision. So can I get some help, please? Back from another sidebar with Queen Emma, she's insistent that I read you the options. Now I'm going to list you the finalists that we have.

The The List is the Real Ones, Outliers, The Flock or Flockers. I love that. Sounds like fuckers. Fafos, and some new additions to the list, the Ky League, and KyLeaders. We're going to put it on social. So again, make sure you're following @NGL with Kyly, so you can make sure your vote gets in there. Moving on, let's get into what my TikTok For You page is serving up on Doomscroll of the Week. I'm getting all sorts of videos on a subject I have very strong thoughts on. Pack my hospital bag with me, TikTok. If you aren't familiar with these TikToks or Instagram reels, here's the gist. When you are going to have a baby, you are going to expect to be in the hospital for 48 hours minimum. You obviously need to take some things along with you. Plus, it's sometimes nice to take some of the comforts of home just to make your stay a little more delightful. I mean, a human being is about to exit your body. You're allowed some perks. Leaning into that, some of the craziest shit I've seen women packing in their hospital bags lately. Number one is a tripod for a camera.

Specifically, the video I saw about the tripod, the person even says that the nurse told her that it was a tripping hazard for the medical staff. I'm going to tell you what. The reason I go to the hospital is because I love a medical staff and I don't want to trip them. I don't want to slow them down while they're trying to get to me. What happens if this one decides to do full slip and slide and just shoot right out and they can't run across the room to catch it? You see what I'm saying? Also, do we want to relive it? The tripod for the camera would be, I'm assuming, to record the birth of your child. Do we want to relive it? It's a genuine question. I'm genuinely interested. This reminds me of what I like to call the Home Ec mirror or the cooking demonstration mirror. That's a mirror, I don't know if your birth experience had this, but the hospital that I go to has these mirrors that you can ask for that they will actually put right behind the doctor and angle it down so you can see the baby coming out.

No. It's the cooking demonstration mirror because you can angle it. No. The next item, an entire makeup kit. This one I might catch some shit for. I'm not taking makeup to the hospital. I'm not. I I will take Chapstick, and I will end up at the hospital with mascara because it will be in my Fanny pack, which goes everywhere with me. I have seen quite a few videos of people saying that they need to have their hair and makeup done because it's their first impression between them and their child. Here's how I feel about it. If you would like to do your makeup, have at it. If that's what makes you happy and feel put together and feel back like yourself, do it to it, Lars. But it won't be me. And not to mention, when they come out, they can only see 12 inches from their face or something. So they're not catching details. They're going to love you because you made them. In that same boat, People who are packing curly irons or hair straighteners. What? Why? Who? When? I'm going to tell you what, when I show up to the hospital, I put my hair in a French braid.

I don't even... Sometimes I do it before I go, and sometimes I do it while I'm there. Put my hair in a French braid, and you know what happens to my hair? It stays in a fucking French braid. It's back there, it's out of my face. You just made a human. I'm stressed out about how much pressure you're putting on yourself to look good. Although I will say, and I already said this about the makeup kit, I do understand it if it is a matter of that you want to feel like yourself, and that's how you feel... That helps you feel good. Whatever helps you feel good in recovery, do that. Just take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. None of these things go in my hospital That's all I'm saying. The last item, and this one is going to stir up. This one's going to stir up some issues because I think this one is probably the most universal, the one that's probably the most common, a large suitcase. I don't understand why we're bringing a wheelie suitcase. I'm talking a wheelie suitcase that is checked, bagaged, size wheelie suitcase. Not a carry-on.

Checked bag, like a big ass wheelie suitcase. What are you bringing? I genuinely want to know. I want to know because I want to know if I'm wrong. I've done this three times. I've never taken a wheelie suitcase. I have taken a duffle bag and a diaper bag with all the baby things in it. I feel like I'm almost missing something. I genuinely want to know. Can you tell me, please? @nglwithkylie. Please tag me. I want to know what you're bringing in your wheelie suitcase. The big one, not the little. Don't tag me in a carry on. I'm not talking about a carry on. If it can fit in the oversize bin, I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to the people who have packed up for six more weeks of winter spent at the hospital. I want to know what's in there. I will say my hospital bag has not changed very much since Wyatt. In my A hospital bag has been: pajamas, probably two sets that are stretched, that are very, very stretched. My toiletry bag with all the goodies, which is a shampoo, conditioner, a bar of Dove soap. You know what I'm saying?

Just the essentials. A robe to cover my butt when I'm wearing a hospital gown, and if it gets a little chilly. My going home outfit, some snacks for both myself and my husband, if need be. Slippers, foot flops. I feel like I nailed that. For all the dad listeners and soon-to-be dad listeners, Jason's bag usually consists of sleep shorts, a change of clothes, and his toiletry bag. I think that's literally it. I don't even think the man brings snacks. He does bring a fan. We all saw that in the documentary, on the podcast. The man loves a fan, and I don't even blame him. It makes his sleeping situation more pleasant. I've said it before. I don't want him to have to suffer. I want him to be comfortable. Now, did I want him to carry a whole ass fan to the hospital? Not really, but he did, and it made him more comfy, and it got him better sleep. So whatever. I would not be surprised if this time around he levels up and brings an air mattress. Just for good measure, I will share Jason's biggest tip to soon-to-be fathers. He is convinced that men pass out because when pushing starts to happen and birth amps up and the baby is on its way out, that you stand up and you get this rush of And a lot of times, you've gone from sitting all day waiting to then jumping up and being in an excited situation.

And because of that, he thinks that you should eat a snack right before mom starts pushing. Because because he's convinced that it's an issue with your blood sugar. I giggle a little only because it sounds ridiculous, but when you are in it, having gone through it three times, it seems legit. I don't remember which birth it was, but I do remember looking over right as I'm like, I got the shakes, and I'm like, We're going. And he's mid light, getting ready to hold me for a crunch. But he hasn't passed out. So take it. Take the advice. Just have a little Snicky snack before the slip and slide happens. And that does it for Doomscroll of the Week. And now a message from me about Liquid Death. When I first heard about Liquid Death, I said, This brand is literally me, and I meant it. Why? Because I think their commercials are hilarious. The fact that they don't give a flying fuck if I curse is also delightful. But I will tell you what, not being a drinker and going into spaces where people are drinking and being able to crack a can that looks like, let's be real, badass, is something that is inclusive.

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I have to start with a knock on a lie. I've even said it right here on the show, actually, very recently. How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days is one of my favorite movies of all time, but absolutely my favorite rom-com. Yay. I We've even considered, this is a hot take, but we've even considered Andy as a name for our fourth girl because we have all... Our first is Wyatt, our second is Elliot, our third is Bennett, and we were like, Andy would fit in there and it would be so cool.

Andy would be so cute.

It's funny. I actually met someone at a pool and we were talking about girl names, and they said that they named their daughter Anderson, as in Andy Anderson, and call her Andy. Stop it.

That is the cute thing. Isn't it? I love that. I know. But Anderson is a great name for... It's so badass. I love that. It's so badass. Roni is really named after Ron, her grandfather. We spell R-A-N-I. But I call her Ronald. Yes. I literally... She answers to. I'm like, Ronald. And she's like, Yes, it's the Catholic's name.

It's the best. I'm just letting you know, if this one comes out, it's I love it. It's on the list. It's in consideration. But to be fair, we have not come up with anything. How do you feel about people calling you the rom-com queen?

It's a mixed feeling because now that I'm older, I love it. I think what happens when you have a very successful rom-com, it becomes what people expect of you and want from you. As an actor, you're like, Yeah, but I want to do a million different As Hollywood goes, they love to put you in a box. They love it. I think when you're younger, it's like you don't want to be pigeonholed into this idea that that's what you do. The second you have success in a rom-com as a woman, it's like they just want you in that. It's like you love it, and then at the same time, you're like, Yeah, but I'm I want to do other things. I don't want to just do this all the time.

Don't put me in that box.

Yeah, don't put baby in the corner.

Now, I just had Chelsea Handler on, and she told me that your mom is one of her career influences and that she grew up wanting to be her daughter. Has she told you that personally? Oh, yeah.

She's a self-proclaimed sister. She just said, I'm your sister.

I don't think there's much arguing with her, so that makes It's like she told me, and that's what it is now.

I love her so much. She's a wild one, which makes sense for our family because we all have a little wild hair up our heine. There you go. So she would fit right in. And so she fits right in.

What was it like looking up to your mom growing up?

I think anyone who loves their mom. You're growing up, you don't really see it from the outside.

That actually leads me into I would like to ask your input on, obviously, it's a completely different level, but we're in the process of raising soon to be four little girls, and with really dad, mostly in a situation where will be out and about and people will stop him and ask for a picture, mostly in the Philadelphia area. But since doing some other things on Monday Night Football and things like that, it's grown a little bit. Do you have any advice or anything that your parents or anything that you currently do with your own kids that you find is super important in not necessarily insulating them, but in a sense, protecting them?

There's two ways to go. If you're someone who's really wants to keep things private, private, I think you just make that very clear to whoever it is, whether it be press or whether it be you taking a picture with a fan. It's like when you're with your kids, it's just I'm with my kids, and I really don't do that when I'm with my kids. I mean, that's what I grew up with. When we would go out to dinner and stuff, that was just my parents' thing. It's like, this is about Sometimes you need to have some boundary because you really need to show your kids that you're attentive to them and that all of the incoming attention isn't really real in a sense. What I mean by that is that it it didn't feed them. We fed them more, meaning that connection. Sometimes they would put a boundary down with people. Then there's the other side, which is it can become exhausting trying to protect your children all the time. Meaning at some point there might be a moment where you just go, This is what our life is, and you explain it to them in a way so that they understand that getting validated by other people isn't going to bring you joy, but that this is just a part of what happens when you do something that people recognize.

So I think that's what I do. And then as they get older, they define what their boundaries are.

Did your mom ever explain it to you?

Do you remember? Well, my parents were really good. When we were younger, we moved to Colorado, and it was a much less... Chaotic. Yeah, our front-word-facing world, like LA or New York. But we also traveled a lot with them. Our parents were really good at just being really kind but just always about our family unit. I never felt like I was on display for my family. It was like, this is just what we do. None of this really means to us if our unit's not strong.

Is there anything that you thought was completely normal growing up? Then once you got older, you were like, Oh, shit. That was not- No, because I had the parents that were very clear about how not normal a lot of it was.

They were so clear about how privileged our certain experiences were with us. I think that's the most important thing. You can see it when your kids start to feel feel a little like... That they're feeling a little different. Bougy. They're feeling a little bougy. Our family, we're really good at just knocking that right out. I was like, no.

My husband We both grew up in a very different situation than we're currently in, and we're both trying to mirror that, what we had without stifling. It's funny because my husband, every so often, he'll be like, No, no, that's dad's. Yeah, it is dad's.

I earned that. These are things that you earn. I really think also just volunteer work with kids is one of the most important things. I don't care how much money you have, but kids recognizing that there's helping other kids, that to me is the thing that keeps everybody grounded and grateful. When you live in certain places in the world, you just have a very different life experience. It's important to not shelter it too much, to be like, this is different than how a lot of people in the world live.

I'd love to circle back to your acting career. One of your earliest movie roles was one that you've already mentioned, which was Penny Lane in Almost Famous. What was it like to achieve that success so early?

I mean, amazing. To be 19 years old and read a script that had a character like Penny Penny Lane was incredible, and didn't come around very often at that age. At the same time, I was playing a different part. So I was cast as the sister in Almost famous, and then asked when the girl who was playing Penny Lane fell out, I asked Cameron if I could audition for Penny Lane, and then he allowed me to audition. I'd audition like a thousand times. But when you read a character like that, that young, it's like there's just not that many roles like that. So the fact that I was able to do that was such a gift.

You won a Golden Globe for Almost Famous in 2001. And I just saw the clip where you were interviewed by Beyoncé on the red carpet.

You saw that? Oh, my God. I remember it so well because I'll never I'll never get it because they were doing MTV and Beyoncé was on the carpet, and Andre 3000 was up in a hotel suite. I was such a big fan of Destiny's Child and Outkast. Then when I saw Beyoncé, I remember looking at her and being like, Oh, my God, she's so beautiful. That's all I could think. It was like, wow. Chris, my ex-husband, loved her. I was like, Oh, my. We were both like, Hey. She's interviewing me. Now I look back, I'm like, It's so crazy. I've been lucky enough to have moments with her throughout our career. We're around the same age and came up together. An iconic duo, the two of you coming up around the same time.

I'm serious, owning your own. You guys have both just absolutely dominated.

Well, but she's Beyoncé. You She can't even- You're Kate Hudson. But it's different. I look at her and I just... I've seen the evolution in real-time.

How does I also feel that there are people who would have that same deep appreciation and awe in their voice when they describe you.

I don't feel it. It does not register unfathomable. No, it's like, to me, that just doesn't make any sense. It's almost like I block it out or something. I don't know.

She seems lovely.

She's really wonderful and she's kind and really caring.

The type of person that you can get excited has had the level of success.

Oh, my God. Yes. That's awesome. She's worked so hard. She works so hard. As you know, with Taylor, this doesn't just come. It comes with real attention to detail and care and real hard work.

Yes, the drive is incredible.

Yes, it's amazing to know, to see.

To be able to witness it all is very cool. Have your kids seen any of your movies?

Yeah.

What's the feedback on that?

You know what's so fun is that they love the show. My kids binged the show in one day, the running point, which actually makes me really happy because they're boys. They're like teenage. I've got an adult boy, man, and a teenage boy, and they're into it. I mean, that's All I can ask for. That's the validation I really needed, was that they liked it.

Well, I mean, they're clearly up with the times that I feel like we're very much, and I've spoken about it a number of times on the podcast, we're very much in a generational shift of appreciating and understanding not only women participating in sports, but women being within the sports world and embracing it in a way where we're like, Yeah, she is a boss has bitch.

Yeah. Also, there is a place for them in men's sports, whether it be in coaching staff or executive in the front office and things like, I mean, as someone who grew up loving sports, it's like playing it, yes, and women's sports, yes, but I love sports. I love baseball and football, basketball, But I know so many women who are like an encyclopedia of sports.

The same thing with the coach in the NHL now, the first female coach in the NHL.

Oh, God, yes.

To see, honestly, the thing that gets me choked up about that coach is that you have these little girls now going to her games and putting up these signs that are like, I'm going to be you one day.

I can't even stand it. You could be. Yeah. I think for girls who really love sports, it is one of those things where you just go, there's a place for it, and it can create a great balance on a coaching staff, a necessary one.

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Yes.

For the fans who I haven't seen it yet, it is hilarious. You played the president of an LA basketball team loosely based on the life of the Lakers President, Jeanie Buss. And you've said you're a sports fan yourself. Who are your teams that you've rooted for in life?

Yes. I grew up in Elway, Colorado. So when we moved to Colorado, we didn't have an LA football team. The Raiders had already moved to Oakland when I was little. So we were big Broncos fans, so through and through, Bronco, all of us. And then LA was always the Lakers, so we were always big Laker fans. And Dodger fans, big Dodger fans, our whole family, huge Dodger fans. Although my dad and I are more Yankee fans, but that's through... His godfather was Lefty Gomez, who was a Yankee, I ended up dating a Yankee and then did a whole World Series run. So I got really tight with the Yankees, everybody, from the owners to the team All the staff and everybody at Yankee Stadium. And so I just have such a love for the Yankees organization.

I did see that you got to bring your daughter to set?

I did, yeah. No, I tried to bring my My boys just get bored. Yoni really loves it. She loves watching it. She loves sitting in front. She has a lot of notes. She has a lot to say about the things that I'm doing. She'll ask a lot of questions like, Well, why did you do that? Why did you go to the desk? Why did you pick that up? Well, because I have to pick up things. She's like, Well, yeah, but that doesn't make sense because if you're going to go out of the room, why wouldn't you just leave that in the room? I'm like, Right, okay, this is getting a little intense.

She's like, Here are my notes.

She's like, Watching everything. There was one joke she didn't think was funny. I was like, Did you think that was funny? She was like, No. I was like, Oh, okay. It's very honest.

I think it is such a cool opportunity, not only for you to bring her to set, but for you to be in a role like this, showing a powerful woman in sports, and that she gets to be like, Yeah, that's my mom.

I know. It's so fun. That's so badass.

That's so badass. We've obviously talked about motherhood a lot today, and I asked most of my guests, what is the best piece of motherhood advice that you've ever gotten?

I interviewed this Dr. Shefali. She wrote a book. It's called The Conscious Parent. Dr. Shefali is a brilliant therapist. But actually, Oprah was the person who said, You have to read this book. I did this thing with right before COVID, and she was like, Have you ever read this book now? She's like, You have to read it. I read it, of course, because, Oprah, I read it immediately. It was a game changer. Then I called her to come on our podcast The thing that really stood out to me is that we really do our traumas or our childhood, our own traumas come out while raising our kids. Our kids are actually our great healers and our great teachers. It doesn't mean that you don't have boundaries. It doesn't mean that you don't have certain rules. It doesn't mean that you don't have a good authority and structure for your kids, so it creates a safe environment for them. But what it does mean is that you're aware that the things that come up for you are things that you need to be as as conscious of as how you're raising your kids. A good example would be the other day, Bing and I, he's in that teenage phase, we had that headbutt moment of, I want him to do something, he refuses to do it.

In that moment, I got triggered. It wasn't about him. It was about my own inability to resolve or walk away from the moment that was happening. Instead, I became competitive with my 13-year-old, which is like, that doesn't go- Where is that going to get us? Where is that going to go? But it happens all the time as a parent, so many parents.

I do it sometimes with my five-year-old.

When you walk away from it, you can recognize where you might have more of a problem than you did a lesson. The importance of being able to tell your kids that you could do better, I could have handled that situation better, actually models much more for them than being stubborn and saying, No, I can't. I can't admit that I was wrong. I think that's the biggest lesson for me. Now that I feel like a veteran mother, I've been doing it for for 21 years. It's like to admit you're going to make mistakes, you're going to be wrong, and to share your imperfections with your kids in moments without... To be able to say to your kids, I could have handled that better, and I'm sorry, because you don't deserve me to get that angry at you right now.

I have found that an apology of like, You know what? Mom's really sorry. I should not have raised my voice. That's right. There was no reason to raise my voice. I I think that we can open up our listening ears and mom can not use her serious voice. It's like that. You don't always have to be the one that's like, just because you're an adult and they're a kid.

You're We all have faults. And you're teaching your kid's conflict resolution. Sometimes in conflict, you go too far and you need to say you're sorry instead of teaching them that you double down. What you find in going to your kids and saying, I could have handled this better, or I made a mistake, or I'm sorry, I didn't trust you, whatever the scenario is, that connection become stronger. I think that has been the biggest lesson for me is knowing when to do that. Parenting is hard.

It's a crapshoot is what it is.

Yeah, and it's hard. You are going to mess your kids up. I feel like no matter what you do and how you try to do it, it's like you're going to do it wrong. You're going to make mistakes. You're going to fuck your kids up in some way at some point you're going to do something that's going to feel traumatizing to them that you didn't realize felt traumatizing to them. This is coming from the most loving parents. Even in the most loving connected healthy, attached parental situation, you're still going to mess up.

One more question because it's another question that I absolutely love asking moms on the podcast. I've shared a number of humbling things my daughters have told me over the years. Being 21 years into parenthood, I feel like there must be at least one thing that stands out that your child has said to you where you've been like, Well, there it is. Is there anything that comes to mind when you think about a humbling child moment?

It's all the time. I'm trying to think of ones that are actually funny that we don't hear all the time, that mom's hear. It's more with singing. But I get all of it. I've gotten like, That's so cringe, mom, when you do... Cringe. Yeah, don't wear that. Whatever it is, something I I'm wearing. Oh, they're hearing that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Something I'm wearing or something I... Certain posts that I...

Your caption is so cringe. Yeah.

Or even just the fact that I Instagram is something that I do. It's like Gen Z, for some reason, they're like, Oh, there's a picture of the floor with a plant. And they post it and a foot.

Yes.

And you're like, I don't know what that is. I I don't know what. I call them the Fuzzies, and all the fuzzy pictures of kids on a thing, but you can't see anybody's face. Yes. I'm like, I get it.

It's very cool to post that, apparently.

I get it. I get that it doesn't matter what it is. It just doesn't matter. It's nothing.

It is funny to hear the degree of teenage and older humbling experiences because we're very much in the phase of I'll put my hair in a bun and my oldest will be like, I don't like that. It looks bad. I'm like, I think there's a nicer way to say, Mom, can you wear a pony?

I have all... I think also as a mom, they're just very much clued into the things that you're doing. Is that what you're wearing? If it's a little see-through or very see-through with me, it could be very see-through and they're like, No, mom, that's gross. What are you doing? Or it could be like, I'm wearing a dark lip, and whatever. It's just like there's a lot of focus.

Sure. Because you know that at that age, we are actually, as mothers, we were put on this Earth to embarrass them, basically. They believe that truly deeply in their hearts.

So it has turned out to be. Roni is different. Roni and I are Velcro. It's just diff It's really different.

I think it's such a nice dynamic that you got a girl on your third and that there's that age gap. It just feels like you got almost like a little built-in best friend. It's just crazy. But I'm biased because I don't know what boys are.

Boys are so fun. Boys are so fun, but we weren't meant to have... Well, you might not be done yet. I don't know. It looks like- Who knows? Honestly. Sounds to me like you guys are going to keep having babies.

You You're probably going to have six. There might be a pleasant surprise in there. Oh, God, don't say that.

You're going to end up with twin boys.

That would be horrific. Or awesome. Because I'm already transitioning to a minivan, I would have to have a full freaking 12 passengers.

You're going to have a sprinter van. It's so bad. I love it, though. I could have so many kids. I even think about it right now. I'm like, Am I totally done? Because I just can't imagine being done. Then It's a weird thing to think like, Oh, no, I'm done having kids when you love having kids.

I don't love being pregnant, but I always call it a means to an end. I so enjoy that Squishy Kid phase. I love learning them and getting to know them as they're growing up and getting to see our five-year-old from our two-year-old right now is like, Oh, I miss when you were this age, but I'm having so much fun learning you at this age.

I know. It does get better. If If you love it, it really does get better. It gets a little scarier when you start to watch them, when you start to have to let them go. Like be their own human- Yeah, because you want them to love themselves, and then you want them to make good decisions out in the world. You get a little bit of that, Oh, man, I just hope they are good. I cannot thank you for chatting today.

This is so fun.

It was so nice to meet you.

It was so nice to meet you, too. I hope that everyone flocks to Netflix and checks out Running Point. It is so funny and so excited for you and the series. And thank you again for joining me today.

I'm sure I'll see you down the road.

Oh, I can't wait. Thank you so much again to Kate Hudson for joining me today. Make sure you watch her in Running Point on Netflix, streaming now. You can find even more clips from our conversation on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Going to Lie. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast. Follow the show on all social media @NGL with Kylie. Notlwithkylie. Not Going to Lie is a wave original brought to you by Liquid Death. Thanks again for tuning in.