Transcript of December Bonus Episode: Secrets of the S.K. Pierce Mansion with Special Guests Sam & Colby

Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash.

I'm Elaina.

I'm Sam.

I'm Colby. And this is Morbid. I feel so weird when I look at the camera. I'm like, hello. I know. I'm like, Hey.

Hi.

Thanks for having us on again.

Thanks for coming up.

We're stoked to be back. It's been so long since we recorded that episode. If you're watching, it has been a very long time for you. Here we are. We can officially announced that we did a haunted investigation. Let's go. Another one.

Another one.

Another one. It was so fun.

We did. Completely unlike anything we've ever done before on our channel, too. I love that. You guys got a whole different experience.

I know that was such an honor when we actually sat down and you were like, Okay, so this is what we're doing, and we've never done it before. I was like, Okay.

Our The first investigation with you guys, the USA Salem, was a very traditional thing and a lot of crazy stuff happened. Yes. But this time it was like, yeah, very, very different. We were even throwing off like, whoa, we don't even know how to do this.

Brand new concept. Yeah.

So We went to the S. K. Pierce mansion, and basically your whole vibe for the night was testing psychics.

Yeah, that's correct.

So how do you know these psychics? Tell us a little bit about the psychics, the whole shebang.

There were three of them.

Yeah, there were three of them. Our whole goal of this year, 2025, was to try to push the bar with ghost hunting. We've done a lot of the same type of investigations. It was really fun. There's a lot of different stories. But we're like, What if there's just different ways to get answers? Especially in places that have unsolved mysteries? You guys dive into that all the time. And there's ways to get answers on ghost equipment. But what if we could use psychics and mediums as our ghost equipment, our tools to the other side. And so when they're brainstorming, what would be really cool to bring a psychic. You know what would be even cooler? If we had three different psychics that use three different methods of communication, we see which one works best. And then also, what if all three of their answers line up? Wouldn't that collaboration make it so much more believable if we did get an answer, which is what happened? It was absolutely mind-blowing.

I didn't expect that.

Yeah. To be honest. We wanted to basically run an experiment where we had each one of these individual psychics come in without the other ones around. Then so they weren't influenced by each other. What we did is, this sounds really bad. We actually like, blindfolded all the psychics.

I think it's great.

They had no idea where they were at all. We had one producer on this trip that was helping us out with transporting them to and from the Honda location. But yeah, they had zero idea besides, obviously, the hotel that they were in. They knew the area of the state that we were in, but that's about it. Then at the way end of the investigation, the end of the video, we had all of them come together for one final investigation to see if they were going to maybe contradict each other or fight for who's opinion was right or maybe all agree. We didn't know. It was just a massive... A psychic crawl.

Yeah, seriously. I was hoping for that, to be honest.

It was like, fight, fight, fight.

It was just a massive experiment. We were just really curious about it and thought it was a cool It's a concept.

Yeah, it really is. It was so much fun. Yeah.

Also, we're going to say this a million times during this, but go watch the video because- Yeah, you got to watch the video. You need to watch it on Sam and Kolby's page. It is crazy. Thank you.

Crazy. When we say it was unlike anything we've ever experienced before, because we were sitting at the Longhorn Steakhouse. Let's go. You guys were asking us, what are your thoughts on mediums? Do you believe? Are you skeptical? I mostly believe, and you were pretty skeptical.

Yeah. I'm one of those people that believes most of them are probably lying and just trying to get money or whatever from it. But I think they exist, and I think there are some that are real, especially mediums. I'm more apt to believe, I think. I don't know why. I went into this totally. I was like, three. I feel like three were going to get mediums.

At least a couple. I was shocked.

We believe the same thing. Both Sam and I believe 85, 90% of psychics are all fake, just doing it for the money. We specifically chose the three psychics that you guys met for a reason. The first one was Patty Negri. She's actually been in the paranormal field for years, and she has experienced sensing ghosts, specifically She's been cycling through her hands, is what we researched, which is why when we were walking around, she had her hands out a lot. She did, yeah. Since childhood, and she's been on every single TV show you can even think of. She's very, very credible. We were like, Okay, we got to test her. She's He's been around. Then there was a guy named Mystic Dylan.

Mystic Dylan, five ever. Yeah. Yes. I love Mystic Dylan.

He's been going so viral recently just because he does a special technique called Claromancy, which is throwing objects. He specifically uses animal bones and other totems, I think he's what he called them. Yeah. He's able to throw these bones onto a table or onto the floor. Then depending on how They fall onto this mat that he had. He's able to read what's going on in the room or what happened in the past or the future.

I'm not going to lie, when you told us that at dinner, I was like, I don't know how that's going to work. I'm not sure about that one, actually. I went into that one very skeptical. I'm like, as a non-skeptic, I might be a little skeptical about that.

That one is by far the one that I was just like, there is no way this works at all. But I feel like out of all of the different methods, that was the most mind-blowing. Absolutely, it was.

Which we'll get into, but that was 100%. For sure.

Crazy accurate. That was nuts.

Then the last was our good friend. Her name is Pythian priestess. Her name's Ashley. Same. But yeah. She's been our personal, not personal, but she's helped us personally as our spirit guide for the last two, three years. Her expertise, at least what we found, is tarot. Definitely. Oh my God, yeah. We wanted to bring her last so that it was a familiar face to the channel and that she could help us solve this mystery once and for all. She did.

She was incredible with the tarot.

And she just jumped right into it. It was like, Okay, where are we going? Let's go. Boom.

It was wild. And that was a little interesting, too, because we told them absolutely nothing. And they took off their blindfold as they were walking up to the S. K. Pierce mansion, it was just like, All right, we want to see what you guys get. We didn't tell them any information. We just had them go find a room, find the areas that they felt the most activity, and just went for it. After they would get something, we would tell them a yes or no that lines up with the research or not. But it was really interesting to see from scratch, literal nothing, like blindfold off, they're already feeling and sensing the things that lined up with the history of the location. You guys have been to the location that Ghost Hand before, too.

Yeah.

We had gone with Sabrina Corinne and Payne Lindsay.

Yeah. And these psychics came from all over. They weren't Massachusetts-based. And even if they were, I didn't know about the S. K. Pierce's mansion until Ash covered it on one of our episodes. I'd never heard of it, and I've lived here my entire life.

And I hadn't heard of it until I think I googled most haunted places in Massachusetts and it hopped up on a list.

It's not something you would just know. It's not like the Lizzie Borden house that is pretty well known. Like the witch house in Salem. Yeah. I felt like all of them were like, yeah, I don't know what this house is. And I was like, I fully believe that because I wouldn't have known what this house was.

And even if you did, we We've gone to this mansion before. You guys have, too. And to recall all the different nuances of the family history and everything would be impossible. We didn't even know. We had to restudy for all this. And so the fact that they were picking out things that were so detailed. Yeah. And it lined up perfectly. It was just really mind-blowing.

Yeah, it was nuts.

Also for the skeptics out there, you could say they knew what hotel we were staying at so they can go on their Google Maps and search up haunted places and make an educated guess and study or whatever. But then how did the methods that they were doing line up with everything in the story?

That's the thing.

Because the tools, Patty is the queen of dowsing rods, you guys were saying. Her tools were making sense with Dylan, his bones. There was no way he could have thrown them into a perfect alignment for what had happened there.

Yeah, because even we could see the story that they were showing. That was the thing that I loved the most, that he wasn't making up what these symbols meant. They made sense for what they meant, and then they would fall in a way that I was like, Oh, yeah, that does say that. You could confirm it yourself. He couldn't fake that.

Then with tarot, even, like with Ashley, the things that were popping up, I know a little bit of tarot, so I was like, Oh, yeah, that does make sense. We saw her shuffling the cards every time. Like, she was not picking them. No. You know? Right.

Yeah.

Crazy. It's pretty insane. So, yeah, like the whole premise of the video was, Hey, this place is really haunted. So we obviously want it just ghost hunt in general. But our main goal was to figure out this unsolved murder. Now, there was this bone that was found in the basement of the S. K. Pierce mansion house, and they think that it was from a 16-year-old girl. It was like a pelvic bone, but they have no idea who that person was and the killer. Now, the people that have been investigating for a long time have their thoughts on who they think it could have been, but nothing has ever been confirmed. And so we're like, okay, what better to do than get all the psychics to figure out their answer? And if all those things line up, that is really insane because we were not telling all the information that we got from the previous psychic to the next psychic. We were independently finding these answers. And we were the ones that were corroborating with all that stuff.

I feel bad because it felt like, I don't know if you guys got the same vibe, but it felt like each psychic would come in and then we were just like, Go.

Yeah.

Do it. Go.

Tell me about it. They did. That's the thing. When you say it, you feel bad, but they We just got right to it. Because Patty walked in and we were just like, Where do you want to go?

She just led us somewhere.

On the spot.

Yeah. When she got hit with a wave, when she first walked in, she literally did like this. Yeah, she did Yeah.

What was funny about Patty's investigation was I feel like almost immediately everything started pointing to you, Elaina. It was like, Okay, get called out right off the bat.

I was like, great.

Glad to be here. It was saying like, Patty kept hearing Wanta, Wanda, or something like that. I was like, Is it like, Want her? Like, I want her? What is happening? I think it was actually.

Well, I think one of the main things that we understood about that was they found some correlation with how you looked versus the supposed wife, the first wife of SK. When later on, we didn't even know this at the time, later on, we went and talked to the caretaker, and she was like, Oh, yeah, Yeah, the first wife of S K had red hair. Yeah. We're like, what?

She specifically brought that up. She was like, he likes your hair. They kept saying that. When the caretaker has confirmed it, I was like, whoa.

We didn't tell the caretakers anything. We were just like, oh, hey, What color hair did S K's first wife have?

We said, What did she look like? Or we said, Do you have pictures? She was like, Oh, we don't have pictures, but we know that she had red hair.

We were like, Oh.

What's crazy about that, too, is S K remarried pretty shortly after his first wife, Susan, passed away to a much younger wife, like 30 years younger named Ellen. Yeah, it's rumored that SK did that for potentially the wrong reasons, and that's why he might have been drawn to you as a redhead because you reminded him of his first wife. It's crazy.

It's so creepy.

He likes the younger girls. You're just a couple of hundred years younger. Just a couple of hundred years.

You seem to be targeted almost the entire night.

Yeah, you really were.

Honestly, I thought it was when Patty did it, I was like, okay, this is funny. Then afterwards, I was like, That's not going to happen again. I thought that was just a Patty thing, and maybe that would just be the end of it. I was like, The other ones aren't going to confirm that. Then it just kept happening. Each one of them did. I was like, Is this real? What is going on?

Even to the point of at the end of the night, when we were sitting in the basement, you got touched, right?

Yeah. So we were, this was with Ashley in in the basement and we were sitting in a circle and she was doing the tarot. And I had my jacket on, my leather jacket. And I was just paying attention to what she was doing. And it felt suddenly like someone grabbed my shoulder.

You're explaining that it wasn't just a tap or a pull. It was a grab.

A grab.

Yeah, like a firm grab.

And I've never, ever, ever felt anything like that. I haven't been poked. I haven't had any of that stuff happen.

When you had such a visceral reaction, you jumped and you went into It was like, oh, fight mode.

Immediately, I'm ready to punch it. Because it was not like a brush or anything that you could be like, oh, maybe my hair or something brushed against. It was like, bull on like something did this to my shoulder.

In that moment, Ashley so casually. It was like, well, it's because you look like her. She was saying, you look like the girl who we believe was killed in the house or near the house.

She was like, damn.

She said it so casually. She was like, oh, yeah, well, you look like her.

Yeah, that was scary.

When Once again, we didn't tell Ashley what we had found previously. She was just coming up with that on her own accord.

It was so spooky. When she just turned and looked at me, it was like, because you look like her. I was like, oh.

It was wild. I think Dylan had already said something to that effect, too.

He was like, I knew she had red hair. I said that. He was like, I was going to say that earlier. So, yeah, it came to him, too.

I'm trying to think just so we can go chronologically, more of the things that Patty had said while we were there.

Well, we initially got that we were talking to SK. So I think that's where we first got.

You felt like we weren't, though.

So that's the thing. When we got down to the basement and we started to learn more about the family dynamic and that thing. I feel like whoever we were talking to, whoever was doing the dozing rods with Patty, I think they were pretending to be SK because it felt a little... The more it pointing at you, it felt creepier. And SK didn't seem to have a super nefarious spirit. He seemed pretty chill. And it didn't really sound like he was involved in the murder or anything like that. So I was like, Could it have been Frank? Because he liked how you looked. And then like, I hate that a lot more. Do you know what I mean?

I would have rather SK.

I just feel like SK wouldn't have been as creepy.

For a little backstory, the pierce family. Sk was the guy that built the house. He had two different wives, and he built the house for the first wife, but she died immediately, and they moved in. And so he had one older son with the first wife and then two more sons. And so the three sons were most likely the three suspects of a person that would have killed somebody in the house because the family lineage still owned the SK mansion while this murder occurred. And so there apparently was a female that was not in the family that was found in the basement buried under a kiln or a furnace or something like that. So basically, the whole gist of it was which family member and why would they kill this random person and what's the relation to the family.

They were step brothers, too. Like you were saying, the first wife had just the oldest son, but then he remarried and it was the other two. There was already some conflict. When Ellen died, everybody had to figure out who gets the mansion. Yeah. Obviously, Frank being the oldest son is just like, it should be me. It should be me. But Stuart and Edward, Edward's the youngest, also were fighting over it. But Edward ended up being the one who got it. Not to make things more confusing, but after he It was a little bit of a narrative, I guess. In the early 1900s, 1902, specifically, it turned into a boarding home to where now not just its family history is there, but now there's a bunch of random people just using this house.

Yeah, debauchery. Yeah, debauchery.

From random things, gambling, whatever.

Yep. Yeah. All the things.

All the things.

Yeah. So I think what's so interesting is how complex that lineage is and everything like that. How many family members are a part of it versus not, versus how many wives, all these different things, it just makes it so much more impressive how accurate all these readings were from the psychics. Like talking about SK and all that stuff is really interesting. But then one other aspect, which I think we were getting at, is It's said that 17 spirits are haunting this house. But a lot of people believe that there is some nonhuman spirit in the basement, which could be, like you said, maybe tricking people and saying, I am SK and stuff like that, which obviously just throws a wrench and everything.

Yeah. Well, then Patty was saying, too, there's a, what was she calling him? A creeper. A creeper. She's saying there's a creeper and he keeps poking his head out, but he's following us, but he doesn't want us to know. That threw me for a loop, too. I was like, I don't know. My intuition is saying it wasn't SK that was victimizing you.

Which is crazy because if it was the murderer who was victimizing, that's so messed up. That's even scary. Because he did. He told us he was just like, if it was him, he was just like, It's somebody in the family, but I can't tell you who. Which would make sense because he wouldn't want to ride him so far.

Because he's not going to say he did it.

Exactly. That's crazy. Maybe SK, he Well, he knows in the afterlife, but he wasn't alive whenever this happened. Yeah, correct. It is interesting.

Which means, do you think the creeper that Patty saw was this negative entity instead of the murderer? It was just a negative.

Well, I think she was saying that he was a human spirit, and he was just lingering around to see if we're going to figure it out. I think she was saying it was one of the step brothers. Interesting.

Do you feel like it was Frank? Trying to see if we were going to figure it out?

It could have been.

Yeah. Or it was Frank the one answering and the creeper was Edward or Stuart. Yeah. I hope it was Stuart.

Yeah, Stuart doesn't get talked about.

Stuart was so handsome.

That was Edward.

No, that was Stuart, she said. Oh, I thought she said Edward. She said that was Stuart. Oh, okay.

Yeah, the little picture that we saw. I was like, oh, my God, look at this, man.

Yeah, it's sharp. Whoever that was was adorable.

I could see him just peeking around. Exactly.

You're going to figure it out? Yeah, being like, hey, my brother was such an asshole. I'll figure it out.

Sorry, you're still being a creep.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think it was really cool to see what pieces of puzzle we were able to find out through all different psychics. I think the main thing we figured out with Patty was this idea of protecting the secret, which I think became a huge core story line for the entire thing is like, they would not give up this secret because they were afraid of their image.

Yeah, the image came up so much.

Patty kept saying that specific word.

It went through the rest of the psychics, too. They kept saying the image.

They were like, okay, we have this really high-end family, and we are the kings of the town. We have this big business. We want to seem like we have everything figured out. If we had this turmoil with our family and some of our sons are bad apples, that's bad. It's like, yes, I'll give you enough that it was in the family, but I don't want to talk about who it was or how it went down because I don't want to sacrifice this image they had.

It's so true.

Which is really interesting. Then what's wild, too, a side note from that plot. We went upstairs and you guys had been to the SKA Piers mansion before and in a specific room, there was something dramatic happened where Patty was like, There's definitely a portal in here.

Yeah, and we had already been told there's a portal in there. Yeah. So that's on the third floor?

Yeah, it's on the third floor. In the back. And it was the game room. Yeah, the billiards room. And it's where they used to debauch.

Yeah, the guys were not like... I thought it was interesting. Gambling. Exactly. Dylan kept bringing up gambling.

Yeah, that used to happen in there. And that was a billiard room, game room.

Yeah, big thing in there. Yeah.

And there's a big walk-in closet in that room. And there's stories that really bad things used to happen in that closet, especially with women that they would bring into the house.

Yeah. Because women weren't allowed in the room unless they were brought into the room. So that tells you everything.

They weren't there by their own consent. Right. And when we went the last time, we walked into that room and immediately we were like, oh. All of us felt off. This is off. And then we went in the... I I didn't go in the closet. You didn't go in. I went in. I think pain went in. I think Sabrina might have gone in. And I think Sabrina went in. And all of us were like, this feels yucky in here. I was like, I don't want to be in here at all. I immediately got off.

Why do you guys felt suffocated? You got short of breath.

Yeah, we were all feeling really gross about it. And I think later we came back to it and it was still like something was off. I think we had like, something was happening with our light. Remember the camera was making something happen?

Oh, yeah. It was something happen. Yeah, it was something like pain was looking and there was a white grid. Yeah, it was weird.

Yeah, it was very strange, and it was only happening in certain places. When we came in here with Patty, immediately her saying, There's a portal in here. We were like, Yeah. Then she starts saying, There's good energy and bad, or it feels good, but it feels bad at the same time, which makes so much sense.

Because there was so much celebration and stuff in there.

Well, there's so many men having so many pleasurable experiences in there, but there's a lot of women who are having terrible experiences in there. It's When she said that, I was like, that's literally what happened in this room. It was like every bit 50/50.

I think all three of them said something about cigars. I think S K was big on cigars because they're throughout the house, but specifically, they were smoked in that room.

Yeah, that was interesting. All three of the psychics said, I smell a cigar smoker. I feel a cigar business.

I feel a cigar vibe. I remember specifically, too.

Patty, maybe it wasn't on the third floor, could be wrong, but the on the second floor, she kept being like, It's hard to breathe. I'm like, I just want to speak, but it sounds like I'm being silenced or whatever. It feels like I'm being silenced. I wonder if that was her feeling the women who wanted to speak up back in the day.

Yeah, probably. Because it seems like it was a theme in that house that especially women were silenced.

Yeah. Or we got with Patty, controlled. Yes. We went up to the third floor, went into the, quote unquote, servants room, and she got a lot of like, I feel like people were silenced People were controlled in this room. They were doing things against their will.

She even brought up possible drugged or something like that. That feeling.

Yeah, she said, feeling like I'm in an altered state, but it wasn't my decision, I think she said.

Yeah.

Which is really creepy. That was terrifying.

That was where... Because that's supposedly where the 16-year-old girl was staying, and I think another girl, right?

Yeah, I think there was two maids, right? Yeah, that lived in that room.

Susan and Sarah, I believe. Susan was the 16-year-old girl who was also a prime suspect or victim.

Yeah, I thought she might be the pelvic bone.

Yeah, the pelvic bone girl.

When we were in there with Patty and she was using the dowsing rods, they flicked over to you really fast.

That was the weirdest experience, one of the weirdest experiences I've had because I think when we walked in there, she was talking about feeling pressure in her head, and as she was saying it, I felt it. But I was like, Maybe this is a placebo effect. I think I'm just feeling pressure. Then she was trying to talk to whoever was in there, and we felt like it was a young person. I love kids. I think the last time we were on the USS Salem, I got followed by a poster. I was like, I don't know. I'll just say something in my head. I was like, You're safe here with us. The dowsing rods flicked to me in that moment. She said, Would you say she just grabbed on to you or she just jumped over to you? They flicked at me right as I thought that in my head, and she said it. Then she was trying to get more information. I said something else in my head and she said she grabbed on tighter, something like that.

Yeah, it happened multiple times. Where you're like, you're going to be all right. I think the second time was like, I got you. Then after you said, I got you, flicked over and was like, oh, they're over with you now. It was really It was really interesting.

It was weird because I didn't feel anything on my body or anything like that. But having the confirmation of the dowsing rods flick at me, that was weird.

Yeah, because how could she have known that? No, in your head.

Exactly.

My favorite part of the whole Patty investigation was the Machant. The Machant?

It was awesome. I felt bad because I was like, I'm taking it seriously, but it just sounded so silly that I'm cracking up on camera.

I love it. I think that's the point. It's like you're putting so much energy that it is like light harder.

Yeah, you're releasing all those.

Basically, we were screaming for two minutes. Whoever was downstairs was probably like, what the fuck?

They said it.

They were like, we heard you guys screaming out there.

It was insane. I've never done anything like that. It was cool. It definitely brought up the energy for sure.

She said that it will bring more spirits out, and it definitely felt like it did because in the beginning, it felt like we were only talking to SK, maybe, and then the girl in that room. But then when the rest of the psychics came in, we definitely got more, I felt Yeah, for sure.

Because we heard some weird noises, like shuffling noises happening. We were trying to follow it, but we couldn't find where it was happening.

Which, full disclosure, there was a guide downstairs. For the first half. Yeah, for the first half. Then she left during Mystic Dylan. But also our producer was bringing the psychics there and back. We were a little confused at beginning if it was that person or not, the guide. But after Dylan left, the noises, I feel like they didn't stop.

They kept going. Particularly when we were in the fire room, I think. We were really going. You had texted your producer and you were like, Was that you? Some of it was, but not all of it, you said, right?

Yeah, he just said, Oh, the owners were just leaving. It should be quiet now. But we heard more. Yes, there was more right after that.

For a long period of time because every single time we try to start talking.

It was every time Dylan would try to speak, all of a sudden it would sound like craziness was happening.

Let's talk about Dylan. This was insane.

Yeah, we got to to Dylan.

Insane.

First of all, the second he walked in, you and I, I think shared a telekinesis moment.

We were both like, I love him. As soon as he walked in, I was like, yeah.

I was like, new best friend, unlocked.

Love him a lot.

Yeah, his look and his demeanor was awesome.

He's so charming. I love him.

So apparently he had studied a specific version of Claremancy and mediumship in Egypt.

In New Orleans, too.

In New Orleans, voodoo and all that stuff.

Hanteria, right?

Yeah. It was really interesting. Something we had never even heard of before, much less if we're going to believe it or not. And to be quite honest, I was highly skeptical just as we were talking about this. When we first talked about this with her creative team, we're like, Is this even a good idea? I don't know if it's genuinely possible at all for this to work. But they assured us that the reason why Myst Dylan is blowing up is because his readings are so incredibly accurate. All right, well, let's give it a try. The whole point of this video is to test the psychic. So why not? Let's see it. And so we immediately go upstairs to the wife's room, the second wife's room, Ellen. And they called it the Red Room because all of the wallpapers The paper was red. And he was like, let's immediately do a session right here on her bed. And that, I think, was the highlight of.

Oh, yeah. For sure. I agree. The first time he tossed everything, I was like, whoa.

No expectation at all. What's going to happen? He basically got all these bones and totems in a shell. I don't know. And then threw them onto the bed onto this map. And within this one toss, he basically explained everything to a T about the story of the S. K. Pierce Man.

The pelvis bone, which he had a pelvic bone, first of all, was nuts.

Like an animal pelvic bone.

An animal one, yeah. It went right into the center. It was like the center of our story. I was like, I just remember slowly backing up and just being like, no, this can't be real.

He even had a totem that had playing card symbols on it. There were the gambling things. He had a bunch of little penis totems. Yeah.

He was like, something about this murder has to do with sex or something like that.

Or an affair or anything like that. Then there was even a frog on its back, and he said the frog represented fertility. But because it was on its back, it was like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Something to do with the fertility stuff.

That was my favorite part of the entire night because I was just watching all of our faces. I'm hidden in a hoodie. I look over at you two and you're both just backing away, mind blown. Dylan has no idea that we're freaking out so much. He's just like, Yeah, no. Because again, it's not like he's just pulling this out of nowhere. He's reading what he threw out. And so he's just like, Well, this looks like this. And we're just all reacting.

He was like, Okay, there's a lot of...

This is like a family house with a lot of spirits that are in the family here. But there was a murder of someone outside the family you see over here. And it seems like there was, Oh, the dice says two. There's two wives. One was much younger than the other one. And we're like, what?

What? What is going on right now?

I can't believe this.

It's like the dice. How do you throw a two? And then be like, yeah, it's two wives.

Two wives.

He said one was more like a matronly energy, like older. Yes. Then the other one's more energetic and more like... And he's like, youthful.

He was like, age.

We were like, oh.

Then off to the corner over here, it says there's one thing about this house that is a message that isn't uncovered yet, right? Yeah.

He was like, he's like a mystery.

We were like, That's exactly what we're doing. What is happening?

At this point, we had not told him anything. It was just like, Okay, on your very first throw, you just get all the history right. All right, cool. Let's see what happens. He's smelling of smoke, and he's like, I don't know. What does that smell of perfume and smoke or whatever? And Kolby was like, Let's go to the room. Let's just, I don't know, do another reading. And immediately his first throw was on the same map, but he put out some cards with symbols and this promise ring was landed right on a fire. And what's crazy is in that specific room, out of all of the different things and deaths that happened, that was the only room that someone died because of a fire. He did not know this. We didn't tell him that anything. And it literally had a symbol of a guy who died that was not part of the family from the fire. Yeah, he was totally outside the- It was like, wait, what am I looking at right now? How is this possible?

Which to your point, it's hard to describe this Matt, but there was basically a circle and then a bunch of little symbols on it. Then so when he threw all the bones, most of them, basically 95% of them went into the center of the circle. But then only the ones you were talking about, this totem pole looking symbol thing, and then a skeleton, then a promise ring, and then a card that had fire on it. Which was basically just saying, Hey, it's not part of this story that you guys are looking to find out, but somebody else died. Then He realized that in the time that it was a boarding house, that there was a guy named Eino Sari, who was a mechanic. He one night came home, super drunk, was smoking a cigarette and lit himself on fire and actually died of smoke inhalation. So he also suffocated, which makes sense why Patty was like, I feel like I can't breathe. Then Dylan was also like, I smell smoke up here.

We all smelled smoke, too, which was wild.

When we walked into that room, it was like a bonfire fire smell. Like, shot up my nose. Yeah, it was insane. You have a deviate of septum, too. You can't smell shit.

So that was wild. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah. And it was funny, too, because he was like, you could almost see he was like, because it was so clear. And he was like, I'm not necessarily saying somebody died by fire, but- It looks like somebody died from fire. We were like, No, someone died by fire.

We were trying so hard not to be like, You got it. I was like, oh, keep going, keep going.

That's so interesting.

Well, then we went downstairs and that was when he threw, I forget what we were asking. We were just trying to get a little deeper into it. That was when one of the bones went on the floor. He was like, Oh, something wants us to go in the basement.

He was like, I'm not going in the basement.

We hadn't said anything to him about, Well, they found a pelvic bone in the basement. That is ultimately where we're going to end up tonight. He was like, I'm not going down there. I do not want to go down there. But something wanted us to.

Not to confuse people, but going back in the video, Patty, also in that same room, was like, I don't know what it is, but there's something like with the fireplace. Even though it wasn't in that specific room, the pelvic bone was found. The 16-year-old girl, in the furnace downstairs. Her and Dylan's findings actually matched up right there. They lined up. Yeah.

That was crazy.

Crazy.

It was wild. She was like, That's, I think, where you're going to find your next clue. And we did, which we did find it in there.

It was It was wild how they all synced up. It was like we needed multiple parts of the story to really understand who this person was and who the killer was. It was like little pieces from each investigation all coincided and told the whole story together.

Yeah, it really did.

But then so many things overlapped.

Definitely. Yeah. It was crazy. It really was. I'm trying to think if there was anything else huge that Dylan said. There was just so many things that were spot on with him.

One thing that I thought was really interesting was that he wasn't doing his Claremancy. He was walking around at the front, and we didn't know this at the time, but he pointed out a little piece of the history that apparently it was more recent. And he kept looking over the pianos and he's like, There's a guy that really likes to play the piano, and he really likes sitting there and just washing over people and stuff. But yeah, just an older man. And then like, later on throughout the night, we went and asked the caretaker. She gave us a sheet of paper. Right there, there's a guy named James that they are seeing recently that plays the piano and watches over people. And it's like, what?

He just did that casually. Yeah.

And that was just walking. And that was like, such a random detail of the story.

It didn't have anything to do with the story, really. It was just like, oh, here's another ghost. It was just feeling that off the distance. It was like, how do you... That's so specific. And how do we know that that's even part of it? At first we were like, we haven't heard of anything like that. Lo and behold, we go and do a little more research. Boom. It made sense.

Right there. What was interesting about that is at that point, the caretaker had left when we were upstairs. We actually found that just from an information packet that was on the kitchen table. Sam and I did a lot of research on this place and had no idea there was a James character that was this piano player until we were just like, we were taking a little break, read through this packet. A James who loves to play piano. What? Like, there he is.

Boom. He had said it. He's crazy. It was crazy. It was funny, too, because at first I was like, that doesn't really have anything to do with anything. And then I was like, oh, shit, it does.

Not our specific story, but the story of the Ghost. It's still a story.

Yeah.

And that's when we had Ashley come in.

And we took her story thing immediately to the basement. She was so down for anything. She walked in, you guys introduced us. You told her what we were doing. And you were like, so we're going to the basement. And she was like, all right, where is it? Let's go. I was like, damn.

And she just started right away.

She went into it. Yeah. We went through all the rooms down there. We get down and immediately in the room where there's the furnace, she goes, don't like that room immediately. She knew.

Yeah. She looked at the corner exactly where the girl supposedly was buried. She's like, I don't like that corner. It's like, no. The entire base. It's like seven rooms downstairs. It's a huge basement. And she points exactly to it. It's like, no, right there. I'm like, okay, What is going on?

She also opened a door at one point and just went, Nope. And then I was like, What's in there?

I know. Did you look in there?

That was like a closet.

She didn't tell us. We just moved on. I was like, You know what? We don't need to know.

When she says no to a door. You're like, All right, I'll respect it. It means no. It's fine. We don't need to mess with it. But then she's like, okay, well, my main thing is like rituals. So you guys want to start off with a ritual? And I was like, that's cool. Let's do it. She pulls out this She's like, Don't look at the mat.

Oh, my God.

And then all you want to do is look at the fucking mat.

I could not stop staring at that. I kept looking at it and being like, Stop looking at it. I was so scared that I was going to go into a trance.

I love it, though. She's like, Don't look at it.

She's like, Don't look at it too long.

If you look at these symbols, you're going to fall into a trance. I know. I'm so scared.

Okay. It was a giant circular. It almost looked like it was a big pentagram thing, but it was just a giant black circle with one big symbol on it. Moon thing. Yeah, a bunch of moon-banana-looking things.

Yeah, literally. Before she laid it out, she looked at me and Elaine and she's like, What are your signs? We told her. I was so scared.

I was like, Capricorn.

She goes, Okay, you'll be fine. I was like, What?

Yeah, it's like, Would I not be fine?

Is that what I think she said, if you were water signs, it would problem.

You were like, I have a water moon. Can I have a water moon?

Is that all right? She's like, That's cool.

You're chilling. Oh my God. We had never done that, I guess you can call it exercise or ritual with her before. That was new to us, by the way. I don't know if we explained that. Oh, good. All right. But yeah, she basically had us all stand into the mat and then plug one nostril and breathe in slowly.

Nine times or something.

Yeah, nine times. Then after we did that, obviously, we were like, woozy a little bit. You feel like woozy.

It gets you into a state for sure.

Then she just said, now just start, close your eyes and start saying what comes to mind.

That worked really well for you, Ashley.

Yeah, it worked so well that I was doubting myself, though. What happened? At one point, I got a pain in my side, in my right side, and I was like, I have a pain. And she goes, What side? I said, right. She goes, me too. I was like, okay. And then I saw the name Kathleen flash in my head, but I just said I saw the letter K because I was like, I don't want to sound like an idiot if it's not Kathleen. So I was like, I saw a K. And she was like, okay, you guys saw stuff, too. You saw fingernails. Yeah.

And I think full transparency, I'm thinking about it now. And I'm like, it might have just been the weird little things when you close your and you can see shapes. Oh, yeah. If you close your eyes and you just sit there for a second, I was like, I don't know, it looks like finger nails. No, but it could be something.

But I don't know. It's been dragged down there.

Because after that, I was like, I don't see anything.

Yeah, you guys saw some stuff, too.

Because I was filming, I was not doing the whole thing as much. I don't even think I saw anything.

I remember you said, I see fire. Yeah. Then I saw a tear on a cheek. I remember that, but I can't remember what else I saw, to be honest. It was only a minute that we were throwing.

It was rapid fire, literally.

I don't know.

She asked me how he was with meditation before we did that, and I was like, I have no experience. I was like, I'm so stressed.

I took a witchy class recently and we would do a couple of meditations every class. So I weirdly got good at it. So I do feel like I tapped in for sure. You did.

Yeah, you were like.

That is the purpose of it. It's like, if she wanted us to become in a trance and have that intuitiveness. And that's how a lot of these investigative methods occur is we're supposed to be in a trance. You're supposed to be open to the spirit through you.

Because otherwise you will second guess. Yeah, exactly. I was second guessing myself.

And if you're open to things.

It's hard not to, though.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the same thing we're talking about, too, a lot is kids versus adults. If you're like, I don't know, I'm doubting myself all the time, versus kids are more open to things. And so when you put yourself in a trance, you are a little more open and susceptible to influence. And so when you feel I think you really can actually understand it and go with that gut feeling as opposed to turning it off and being like, no, we got to face reality. Which was really interesting because what did this K have to do?

Yeah. So then we moved back into the furnace room and Ashley started doing tarot, and we were really trying to determine a name. We had a name at first that we thought it was.

Well, she said she got a gut feeling that was Katherine. Katherine.

That's what it was. So we asked the tarot, and the tarot said no. Then I was like, okay, I'll put myself on the line here. Was it Kathleen? She goes, yes. I was like, that was a crazy moment. I was like, oh, wow, I should have said that back there.

Because that was the original thing that you saw, not a K, Kathleen.

I saw Kathleen flash in my head, but it's also my grandma's name, and we've been taking care of her. I was like, maybe I'm influenced somehow.

Maybe.

You were second guessing. But I was second guessing.

But I was second guessing. Yeah. She was like, yes, it is.

We confirmed that the girl who was that was possibly murdered and thrown down there was Kathleen, which is really interesting.

Which was different than Susan, who we thought potentially could have been upstairs. But yeah, to paint a picture for the people listening, we didn't know that you could just do yes or no answers using a tarot. But yeah, she still used the entire deck. Then with intention, we would just ask the question. Any of us could have asked the question. Then she put down a bunch of cards and still was able to flip a certain one that was like, yes or no. It was direct.

That was crazy. What was it? It was like she said the major arcana was the yes or no. Then when we wanted to get more specific, she put the full deck in. She had this cool thing where she lays out the cards and then she tops them on one another and then she flips them, which I was like, that's so cool.

Yeah. And there was one point where I noticed she went to grab one and it stayed. And she grabbed it and she literally said, don't block me. And then grabbed it and I was like, you tell them. I was like, good for you.

She's She's like, no, I'm not going to take any bullshit. I love them out of it. We got this. And that right there in that circle is where you got touched.

Yeah, that's where I got touched. I almost second-guessed myself of am I just being freaked out? But it was so strong. When you jumped. And I made a visceral movement with it that I was like, I need to say what just happened.

And Ashley said she was like, what just happened? She could see it.

It was crazy.

And then we all set more intentions. We were like, you cannot touch us. I got so weirdly protective of you in that moment. I was like, don't touch her.

Actually, in the other room when we were doing the meditation, she said something about brownish red hair.

Yeah.

She had already and I clocked it because I was like, damn, that's the third one that has said that.

All three psychics called out the red hair.

All of them did because I made sure to remember that. Because then when she brought it up again, when I said I got touched and she was like, well, because you look like her? I was like, oh, you did already say that.

I'll never be over the way. She was like, yeah, well, you look like her. I was It's like, oh, shit.

That's so casual. As if she just knew.

It's like, What? She's talking about the victim, though, right? Yeah. That means, just so it's not confusing, S. K. Pierce's first wife had red hair and this 16-year-old girl had red hair. Yeah.

Okay. That's why I'm thinking that it's not S. K. Upstairs with Patty, like you're saying, and it's actually the guy who did it.

That's why I thought that. Exactly. Once we got to that.

That would mean we're getting into mommy issues here. His mom had red hair and his mistress.

Well, that makes sense because to kill you, you usually have mommy issues.

Oh, so did you just give away who the murder was, too, if you guys remember? I mean, that's what we asked.

I mean, we We're about to be there. Yeah. So we thought... Some of us thought it was Edward, right? I thought it was Edward. You thought it was Edward. I initially felt Frank.

He's the youngest.

You felt Frank.

And the reason why we got that is because Patty originally had confirmed that it was part of the family, but it wasn't SK. And we knew it was a girl that was murdered, and we got from Dylan that it was a lover or a mistress. So we were like, okay, so if there was a murderer, it had to be a guy, and it had to be a part of the family that lived at the house. So there's only really three suspects at that point. And so that's why we're down to those two.

So we asked if it was Edward. It was a no. We asked if it was Frank, and it was a yes. And that's actually interesting because that goes back to something Patty said when she was saying she wasn't sure if it was one of the brothers. She felt like it was a distant family member. But I almost wonder if she got that feeling because SK built the mansion for his wife, but then she passed away and barely lived there. Then he married Ellen and had two kids. That was a new family. Frank was on the outskirts of that. I do wonder if that's why Patty got that feeling.

The step brothers.

He out casted. Yeah. And he also didn't get any partaking in the mansion in the state. So it's like, okay, he's also outcasted there. That's interesting. Yeah.

Then we started diving deep into, okay, well, then who was Frank as a person? And this is when we stopped the yes or no questions and actually started getting details. And every single one was like, this guy sucks.

It was like he was a serial cheater.

He's a cheater. He had just a bad pass. He got to trouble a lot, which was really, really Interesting because at the beginning, Patty was saying that she believes that whoever did it, whoever had killed this girl, had a past. Like a checkered past. Maybe killing again, but definitely a trouble of past where they had dabbled and maybe got in trouble with the law, those types of things. So again, another overlap with the multiple psychics.

And that he had chances to be a better person along the way, but he chose not to. That was interesting.

And then we got into the motive for killing. And we actually, I think we asked Kathleen, did you, did whoever this was know you were pregnant? And she said, no, they didn't. And that basically we found out that it seemed like she was just going to make their relationship public.

She was going to expose it to the wife.

She was going to expose it to the wife. That's when they came up with this plan to murder her.

Going back to Dylan, he threw the frog on its back, which is fertility symbol. It all makes sense.

All of it does. It was nuts.

He kept saying There's a dark romance here. There's some dark, dark romance.

With Patty, we understood who the killer was. It had to be part of the family, and that there was some darker entity there. Then with Dylan, we understood the nuance of the killing. It was a mistress who got found out by the wife. Then with Ashley, we found out the name and then how it all went down. It was all the different pieces of the puzzle with three different psychics. It was really They never met each other. No. We have to say that.

That's the point. That's the point, yeah. Then we ended it on the SDs method in the basement with all of them. Yeah. That one I'm so interested to watch back.

I'm so interested, too, because we were blindfolded and had headphones on. I was like, I don't know what happened.

Yeah, Kolby and Ash did had the actual headphones on. Yeah.

So they didn't get to hear each other. The whole SS method is about sensory deprivation. So not only were they blindfolded, they also couldn't hear anything. And all they were hearing was the static of a spirit box go through and possibly some words through the radio. And so you didn't understand our whole conversation. Me and Elaina and the three psychiatrists were asking questions, and it was a full on conversation that you guys were collaborating on. It wasn't like you were telling a different story than Kolby. That's crazy. It was like Kolby would say something, and then Ash would follow up, and everything would make sense together.

It was shocking.

The only thing I ever heard was just you guys going, Oh. I couldn't hear Kolby. I couldn't hear the questions you were asking. I just heard like, I was like, oh, damn, they're freaking out.

Because at one point you said stop and then Colby said recording. That's so crazy. Then I think at one point you said stop and he said now.

I got so many stops at the end, specifically.

And then bye. It was just saying bye.

You said something about time, and then you said eternal or something.

That was the weirdest one because it was the same idea that you both were just piggybacking off of each other back and forth. It was like, it was like forever.

It was like time, always, eternal, forever. Always. Eternal.

Forever. You just kept going back and like different words for forever. It was like, forever, always, eternal, never-ending. Each one of you would do one. And I was like, what is happening?

How How did you feel during that when that was all happening?

I felt like I was in a little bit of a trance. I felt that way, too. My head was down a little bit. I felt that way, too. Yeah, just like a dream state.

Yeah, I felt weirdly, almost like I was spinning, but I wasn't dizzy, if that makes sense.

Right, yeah. Almost like a drowsy, I'm not here right now.

Yeah, it was heady for sure. It was weird.

At one point, one of you said, You're mine, and then the other one said, repeated it or said something similar to it.

We were like, who is? What's going on? It happened so fast that I don't remember the words that came up.

Especially when you don't know what they were answering. But what was really interesting about that whole thing was when we were talking to at the first half, it was like, oh, I keep my secret, those types of things. I don't want this stuff out. The main gist of our conversation was like, now we've figured it out, what's going to It was just like, no, don't do this. Get out. It was really, again, protecting the image. The image, yeah. The image, always protecting the image. What was interesting is three-fourths the way through, it changed energies. It was almost like something else came in and the psychic were like, I don't know about this is a little darker. And that's when you were like, you're mine. It was like, oh, God. Okay, do we want to be messing with this?

Oh, God.

Yeah, it's messed up.

So we think we made contact with not only the pierce family, but also So whatever is said to be this nonhuman entity in the basement, which is really interesting. The psychics were actually like, I got flicked out about this.

They were. And all their things were going crazy. They were doing a pendulum and like, they were doing all kinds of things.

They were doing all the things. A bunch of tools. That's great.

I'm so excited to see it.

I know. I can't wait to see that. I can't wait to watch that. I told Drew that when I got home, too. I was like, I can't wait to show this to you.

I know because I was like, you didn't get to see it.

It was crazy. I know.

It was funny because all the psychics, obviously, are very, very into all this. They live and breathe the paranormal just as much or more than we do. And all of them were like, We have never seen an essence method like this.

They all said that they were the fact that they were intelligently piggybacking off of each other. It's not something that happens.

They were walking away in awe. And at the end, I think it was four or more times you guys said stop, and they were the ones that were like, Guys, we should stop. They were telling us we should stop. They were like, What are you doing?

We're like, What more questions?

I remember toward the end, I was getting a little freaked out because it just kept saying, Stop.

You said it a few times.

The voice that was coming through was like, Stop. Like, scary. It was Getting more intense every time. I was about to tap out when whoever tapped me and I jumped out of my skin when whoever tapped me.

Oh, yeah, my bad.

No, it's all good. But it was, yeah, that was crazy. It was a wild one.

The spirits definitely did not want us to talk about this secret, but I don't know if that was... I don't know who exactly was saying, Don't tell the secret. But what they were okay with is they were like, okay, if you think that Kathleen, this spirit that might be still there, that had a pretty rough ending to her life, wanted to leave this place, you guys could help her. So we decided, Let's end the night. Let's cleanse everybody in there. And then we'll have Ashley, who's practiced in getting rid of spirits and letting them move on, do some ritual, a cleansing ritual to let the spirit go, which I think was pretty beautiful. Yeah.

It was really, really cool. She did a giant banishing ritual. It was probably like 4: 00 AM at this point.

We left at 3: 45, I think.

Our producers took everybody else back home. You guys drove, which is crazy. But this was insane. This is funny. So fucking funny.

We don't even know this.

Yeah, we have no idea anything.

Ashley She actually told us that it was against her code and her order, I guess you could say, for us to include the audio because it was so crazy of this banishing ritual of what she was saying. But she let us film it. Basically, Sam was filming and I was tasked with holding another shell thing with a bunch of, I don't even know what it was, an herb in there.

Was it the pine needles? Yeah, pine needles.

That she gave you? And also something else.

Yeah, I don't know. It was like a whatever. It was like a big herb or whatever that would help banish. Yeah, Kathleen, I guess, or save her.

Banish is a crazy word.

Get out of here, Kathleen.

Get out, Kathleen.

She needed help.

But then also there was a little rock in the middle of it that she was like, and then at the end, you're just going to stick. I had a flame and a punk or whatever. She was like, You're going to stick that into the rock and it's going to make a little boom.

Oh my God, I would be freaking out.

That's how we ended.

She just described it as a pop. She's like, Don't worry. It's not going to be even crazy, but just super pop.

Like a little pop. Like a little pop. And so I was like, okay, sounds good. I'm just going to light this herb and then pop it at the end. And so we're there for probably five minutes and she's doing reading from a book.

Which is very intense, by the way. Screaming into the furnace. And it was really intense.

Even when she blessed us, I was terrified. She blessed us so that nothing would follow us home. And even that was scary. I got holy water in my eye.

I was so thankful for it. I was so thankful for it. I didn't feel like anything followed me.

Your eye is protected. I know.

We're good over here.

But yeah, without giving away what she said or whatever, for her sake, basically it was my turn to light this thing on fire. Oh, no. I was trying to do it and I couldn't get it to work. I had the punk. I was like, and she was like, Come on, Colby. Come on, we're doing a ritual here. God damn it, come on. And she was like, Whoever we were talking to doesn't want you to do it, I'm going to do it. So I was like, okay. She grabs it from me, and then obviously, first try, she does it. This thing did not pop.

It's not a pop, dude.

This was a firework. This was a firework.

Oh, my That's what's like, it went up in flames for five seconds.

It knew you weren't prepared. It was like, Kolby is going to freak out with this.

She was going to make me do that.

A picture of a flare, like a road flare. That's how intense it was.

And you were like, We are in a house. I know we got this on camera. We're still debating if we want to even include this in the main channel video or not. So this could be something that's just exclusive for you guys. We don't know. I'm dying to see this.

I cannot wait.

I know the camera was pointing at me because Sam was filming. Smoke just went everywhere. And I look up and I'm like, because...

The smoke detectors were right there. Even when she had the insects going, I was looking at them.

I was so nervous about that. And so you I can imagine what happened next. They went off. Every alarm in the entire house started, burp, and there was a fire.

It was blaring loud through all three levels of the house.

Did the caretakers come?

Nobody came. The fire department didn't show up. Nobody came.

How did you turn them off? They just turned off on their own.

We ran upstairs and there was a panel that said fire control or something like that. We were trying to click reset, but it wouldn't work. We went and we just ran around the basement and we found a fan and turned it on and then was just fanning the fire. Oh my God.

The smoke.

Yeah, it eventually, after probably 5, 10 minutes.

Yeah, at least 10 minutes.

That must have been so overwhelming, too, because they're so loud.

That was my fear with the nonsense because I was looking up and I'm like, If those go off, I'm going to lose my fucking mind.

It was over stimulated.

It was over stimulated. It was bad. I'm going to be like, Get me out of this face.

It was so loud.

I've never seen, and Ashley, if you're listening, sorry about this. It's just so funny. I've never seen Ashley so scared. She looked at me and she was like, What do we do?

She sprinted upstairs.

We're like, Okay, just don't panic, a thing because it was like, What do we do? These bolts shut off. We thought the fire department was going to come. Oh my God.

It was going to come. Can you imagine? So did you finish? Did you get to finish the ritual?

It was done. Like that.

Oh, that was the end of the ritual. So you finished with a bang? Yeah. Exactly. I was babbling. She was like, I'm out of here.

That was a big deal.

She's like, I'm out of here and you guys should, too.

That's so funny. That was it.

We did our own cleansing afterwards and left the house. That was it.

That is bonkers. I'm dying to see that. I know.

It's just like if four in the morning and three people are running around frantically like, what are we doing?

That's so funny. Because especially being in the basement, that would have sent me in the orbit.

I probably would have like, climbed out the bard windows. I figured a way I was so on edge in that basement.

That basement did not feel good.

It's creepy.

Especially after being touched in that basement, if those alarms went off, I think I would have died. I would have just went into cardiac.

It was like 4: 30 AM. You guys saw the street. It was like a semi-busy Street in the small town. And so we were afraid that everybody around there could hear. It was loud.

We're good.

They turned out. We got cleansed as well and then dipped out of there. So hopefully Kathleen is good.

I know.

I hope so. I'm interested I wanted to see if the caretakers experience anything. Yeah. That makes it feel different. That makes it feel like she's moved on.

Yeah, we'll see.

Because Ashley's cleansing felt like it worked because I didn't feel like I was followed. I thought I was going to come in the house because it was 5: 00 AM at that point. It was pitch black in my house and it's dead quiet. I'm like, now I have to walk upstairs in the pitch black. I'm scared. I wasn't even freaked out.

It was weird. No, I was just going to say it's so funny because usually when we get home from things, I stay up a little bit longer and decompress. And I'm freaked out, usually on edge. I was not at all.

No. In fact, you slept for 12 hours.

I literally slept. I got home at 5: 15. I ate some spaghetti. I went upstairs and I slept until 4: 00 PM. Drew was like, Are you dead? I was like, No.

It's just the ghost.

I chugged some water and then got woken up an hour later by my youngest.

I could not imagine.

I was like, Damn.

But you went back for a little bit.

I did. John was like, Go to sleep.

How did that change the way that you guys think about psychics?

I'm still a firm believer.

Okay. Oh, yeah. There we go. I think I still feel the same way where it's like most of them are, I think not right. But I think we got a crop of real ones. We got three goodies. I was like, wow, how did we manage to grab three? Because they made so much sense, all their stories. They just didn't feel put on at all. When we Every single one after we left them or they left us, I was like, holy shit. That person was crazy. When we left Ashley at the end, I was like, Ashley is the coolest girl I've ever met. I was like, she's such a badass.

A hundred %.

She's opening her book.

She's opening her book. I was like, Damn. Yeah. She's opening her book and reading in other languages. Then the blessing, she's just saying all these. I was like, you're the coolest person ever. She's awesome.

She's accurate 100% of the time. All the taros that we've done in previous videos with her all come I know.

I want you to come do a taro meeting with us.

I know. I'm like, Ashley, come back. Yeah. You should. All of them, though. We were like, all of them. I loved them.

They were all great in their own ways. Yeah. Totally.

We were talking about this on the way over. But in terms of psychics, would you guys, if you knew, let's say, all these psychics are real. Would you want to know your future?

I'd want to know some good things, but I wouldn't want to know when I'm going to die or anything like that.

What do you think your question would be if you got one question about your life from these psychics?

Because I don't think I would want to know my future. Anything? No. Nothing? I just want to...

You just want to live? I think it's playing God a little bit. I'm a Christian, so I'm like...

I just don't want to... I just want to take it as it comes. So I don't. I think if I know, I'm going to be crazy, like I'm going to be trying to prepare for it or trying to make something happen. But yeah, I don't think I would want. I think I would just. I'm trying to think of what the question would be.

I know one question is like two truths in a while, again. Hold on.

If you don't want to know maybe certain things, maybe asking what's one thing I could change about my future?

That would probably be a good question.

I need to prepare for.

Yeah. Yeah.

Or what's the happiest... What's a happy thing that's going to happen in the future? Just like, I want to know.

Just say one good thing.

One good thing later in life I can look forward to or something.

That would be nice to know. But I think a lot of real psychics and mediums. It seems to be a thing among them, the more accurate they are. They'll tell you. If I'm going to tell you anything, I'm going to tell you the good and the bad. You can't pick. My husband's family, one of his great, great, great aunts was a well-known psychic and helped in police investigations and stuff in Massachusetts. That's so cool.

The way she was born. Yeah.

There's this old wives tale or some lore with psychics that if you're born with a veil of almost like,. You're born like, veiled almost. Like there's a thing.

There's a group in your face.

That means you are like, you have the gift. And she was born that way. And She would only tell you everything. So she would say, I won't tell you. You can't cherry-pick. I won't tell you anything if you're not willing to hear everything.

It's good that she told people that up front, though, before they sat down and got into it. And she's like, well, and you're going to die in three His grandmother was like, yeah, I don't want to know anything.

That's interesting. But some people wanted to hear things and the things came true.

It's like a mental fuck. I just don't want to know. I'd rather just live my life.

That's the thing. I just want to- It's going to happen anyway.

Exactly. So might as well not worry about it.

It's hard to choose if you would want to know or not.

I feel like if you had to know everything versus nothing, definitely know nothing. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I feel like if I cherry-picked a question, that would be interesting. I agree. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah. If I could cherry-pick, I would do that question. Like, what's one really great thing that's going to happen?

Does Ashley, she tells you the good and the bad or?

Yeah. Yeah.

We've got some tarot readings that are good and bad. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not going too personally in this, but when I met you guys, I had cancer.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I had cancer. And so my... Obviously, I'm not expecting you guys to remember this, but my face was really swollen. I was dealing with a lot of acne skin issues, and I've never dealt with that in my entire life. So something was wrong, my body was reacting, and I had no idea what was going on. The month that I got diagnosed, which was in January of 2023, Ashley came over for the first time, did a tarot card reading, was just like, This looks really bad. You're about to go through one of the scariest moments of your life. Holy shit.

I knew that you had gone through that, but I didn't realize it was when we met you. That's crazy. She said that before.

She said that before.

She said that was going to happen. Two weeks before. Said that was going to happen. Two weeks before? Yeah. Holy shit. The next six months was a horrible, scary experience. But for both of us- What was wild is she called it for six months.

She said, It'll be about the next half a year. Wow. Until you're better and you were- Cancer free. Cancer free halfway through 2023.

Yeah, like June. I announced in July, but like, May Jewish, I was cancer free. That's why Personally, I'm like, I'd rather not know.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, because how did you feel hearing that before realizing you were sick?

Sorry, Ashley. I didn't know if I believed it. I know. I got that. Yeah. I was like, okay, whatever. That could be cool for the YouTube video or whatever. And then my life started unfolding literally two weeks later. Yeah. I was like, well, this or at least she is real. And ever since then, I was like, okay, I'll do tarot card readings and stuff for videos and to talk about ghost hunting and stuff like that.

But not for personal stuff.

I don't like doing it personal.

I don't believe you.

That's a lot to take in. Especially when it comes true, it's like, okay. I don't want to know.

I'll just cross that bridge when I got there.

I'm good on that.

How do you feel, Sam? Are you doing tarot only for videos or will you do it personally, too?

I've never gotten any psychic reading or anything like that outside of the video thing, but I'm okay with doing it in videos. When we did our series for our school, where we stayed a whole week at our school, we actually had Ashley come out and read tarot about the school in our process of opening that for Ghost Investigations. And what was crazy is everything, the good and the bad, was correct as well with that. Even down to weird things like business licenses and things like that. She was discussing how that process is going to work, and it played out exactly how she expected it. And I was like, What? How do you know It's really, really wild.

She was saying, specifically, she was like, There's a principal entity here, which we had already known and investigated and stuff like that, and told us exactly, Yeah, he's not evil. He's not a bad guy, but he's very strict and cares a lot about his school. When you guys take over, you guys are going to have some issues with licensing the city around it. And we did on the back end. Everything is great now. But she predicted that, and we didn't even know that was going to happen So like two months later. How would you ever know?

That's crazy.

Crazy.

Well, and one thing that you'll see, too, that we didn't even mention was we had in the beginning of the S. K. Pierce investigation, we had asked for a word.

Oh, we didn't even touch on that.

Yeah. And Ashley, especially, the word was rib.

Yes.

We just did a random word generator, too. It's not even like it was planned beforehand. And we asked her, specifically, is there a word that the spirits are telling you? And she just asked for many letters. It was three letters, obviously. And how many three-letter words are there?. And she immediately starts doing the tarot cards and she throws one down and says R. I was like, what are the odds of that? Then in the middle, she was saying I. We were all like, Is she about to say rib right now?

I would have lost my shit.

I think she was unsure of the last one, but I was like, I feel like you know it. I think she did. I feel like you know it, but something's trying to scramble you or something.

She's like, rig or something like that, but not rib. I was like, How? What are the odds? How?

That she got R and I out of all.

Yeah, it's insane. Yeah.

That blew my mind.

Even just the R would have blown my mind. When she went to the I, I was like, What the fuck? Even Patty, though, when she walked in, she grabbed her stomach and she started talking about her belly. I was waiting. I was like, you're about to say rib.

I was looking at you guys. As soon as she got that, I was like, what?

What's the part of your body?

Because She was like, right, I don't know, right here. I was like, what is this? It was really crazy.

Yeah, that blew my mind. We're still also just full disclosure, debating whether we are going to put that in our channel or not. That could be an exclusive. But yeah, it is really cool just for people to know that we did that experiment.

Yeah, it was like a personal extra test because obviously the main goal was understanding the unsolved mystery. But it was really cool to have this isolated test with the spirits that had nothing to do with the house at all, what they could pick up. That Ashley thing, I don't know. When she was like, R-I, I was literally shaking. Oh, yeah. Oh, God, what is happening?

What is happening? They're like, Bee, bee.

They're coming so close.

It was really amazing, actually.

Yeah, it was incredible. But you need to see it all because this does not even do it slightly justice.

No, there's plenty of things that are just on the video that we haven't touched on.

You can hear the sounds, you can see the bone showing. That's the whole experience.

See our facial reaction?

Oh, my God.

Kolby just going into his teeth. It was insane.

It was wild. And then seeing the SD's method at the end is going to be so much fun to see. I know.

You have to see that. See the full conversation.

I'm excited to actually see it.

Yeah. So definitely check it out on Sam and Kolby's channel. Thank you. It'll be out right now as this is out.

Simultaneous release. Same day.

Yeah, same day.

So go check it out. Thanks for joining our experiment. That was so good. Thank you for having us. So much fun. So fun. It was awesome. Unlike anything we've ever done on the channel before, you guys got to experience it.

We're always down to Ghost Town. Oh, yeah.

Is it doing more often?

I got to say, let us know if you want a part two.

All right. Well, thank you guys so much for listening.

And we hope you keep listening.

And we hope you keep it weird. We're going to not swear that you don't go check out their video. Peace.

Hell, yeah.