Transcript of DL Demon Queens of MAGA

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They're going good. I've got a lot of pressure filling in for pumps and a lot smaller tits, but I'm going to do my very best.

But all of that is true. All of that is 100% true. Kylie, what have you had it with?

Okay, I've had it with everybody having birthdays, and I just feel like I'm going to have to tell people and remember to text them happy birthday until I die. If you forget, it's the end of the fucking world. I have a friend who has an Excel sheet where she keeps track of who doesn't tell her happy birthday so that she knows so that she knows who not to tell back. I just am over it. I don't remember anyone's birthday. I send 60 emails a day, and then I'm done talking to people.

She has an Excel She's got a spreadsheet, and she keeps inventory of people that don't wish her a happy birthday.

Yeah, I've seen it. It's itemized by name.

She said this out loud to you? Like, These are the people who didn't wish me happy birthday. How old is this person?

Now, 30, but- She has a personality disorder? Undiagnosed, maybe. But this is a real thing. That's fucking crazy.

Yeah. I mean, that is fucking crazy. The histrionics involved in that, the self-importance, it's That is wild. Is this a functioning adult?

It is. Married. I mean, job, going to breed. It's just a problem for me because I can't remember that stuff.

Let me I'm going to ask you this, is that off-pitting for you? For me, that would make me think, I don't know if I want to be this person's friend anymore.

Honestly, no. This person is my friend for 15 years now. As long as the crazy doesn't come at me, I rarely care.

Have you ever missed her birthday?

Hell, no, because I know about this Excel sheet.

That's wild. Is she mad? When people don't, is she hurt?

Yeah, and it's It's the same people that use an unfollow app. You know about these? That it's a separate app you download. If someone unfollows you on socials, it tells you. They do this so that they go unfollow the person back. People just care a lot about this.

Wait a minute. You get a notification if somebody unfollows you, and then you go tit for tat.

It's tip for tat. That's what all this is. People care so much.

Wow. I'm speechless about all of that.

Yeah, it's a scary world out there. But I will say on the contrary, if anyone forgets my birthday, I'm like, Well, I guess our friendship doesn't mean much to them. So it's twofold.

Wait. If somebody forgets your birthday, you think that- Yeah.

I want people to text me, Happy birthday.

Oh, you do?

Yeah.

So you're similar?

Probably, yeah. But I just don't want it turned on me. I'm a hypocrite is what it is.

Okay. I'm that way about the environment. I want to be an environmentalist. I know climate change is real. I do very little to combat it.

No. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm a total hypocrite on that. I absolutely don't care if people don't text me on my birthday. Sometimes it gets so overwhelming by 5: 00 or 6: 00 PM. I'm like, enough. Enough. It's not that big of a deal. It's a birthday. Everybody has one. Let me ask you this, does the girl who has the spreadsheet, does she celebrate a birthday week, birthday month?

I'm sure she's done a birthday week. There's no doubt in my mind. I haven't lived near her in a long time, so I'm not privy to all of it. But there's no way you have a spreadsheet about who tells you happy birthday and you're not celebrating a birthday week.

Yeah. Well, that's very alarming to me the list, the reveal that you yourself get upset if people don't text you happy birthday. What is that about?

I don't know because I don't even... I get annoyed on my birthday and to respond to everybody because I don't like texting people. I copy and paste, Thank you. I copy and paste into everyone. But it's just if no one texted me, I would be pissed. So it's like, What do I want?

I would say if nobody texted me on my birthday, if not one person, I would probably be like, Oh, my God, the irrelevance of that would be a fatal blow. There's no question. But when acquaintances... I have some I have several people on my birthday, the tech stream is literally... Because Facebook or social media sharing stories, then everybody knows it's your birthday. I have several people where the tech stream is only on my birthday. Happy birthday, Jennifer. Me saying thank you. Happy birthday, Jennifer. Me saying thank you. It's like four or five years, and that's the extent of our communication. I think if you're going two, three years with zero communication, you don't have to wish each other happy birthday. It's like an item of clothing. If you haven't worn it in two or three years, donate it, get rid of it.

You should send that on the next one. When there's six happy birthday thank yous in a thread, you should be like, Happy birthday. I think this is the last one.

I think this is the end of our relationship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, let me tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with, and I think we've discussed this before, but now that I'm living in New York, it's a real issue for me. Listener, Kylie is abundantly aware that I am a very fast walker, and I don't realize how fast I'm walking. I just do. I have one pace when I walk. And Kylie is a famous non-walker. She can get less than a thousand steps in one day. So as I'm trekking down, and my French Bulldogs moved to New York with me, and they are excellent walkers, and we go on walks every night. And it's somebody who's walking in front of us, and they're at a good click, too. And then all of a sudden, stop right in the middle of the sidewalk with no announcement, don't step aside, and then cha-cha, tubs, me, we're all just banging into the person. I've had it with that. And then I tell Pams' story, but I think I should tell you and the listener. So day two of me being in New York, I took the subway to Soho to get my hair colored.

And as I'm walking down the subway steps, there's a guy lying on the steps before I got to the part where you pay, and he's masturbating. Sure. Okay. Yeah. And it's like I'm walking down and I see the motion, see that his pants are undone. I didn't quite see the pain or anything like that. And I was like, it I was like, Oh, that's what he's doing. And then he looks up directly at me and he says, I'm coming. And then he did.

No.

Yeah. So I thought a couple of things about this. Number one, that's It's disgusting, for sure. But number two, I've still got it.

No.

That's exactly my first thought. You know what I mean?

I could be like, Oh, my God, that's so disgusting. But then I got on the subway I was like, You know, welcome to New York, Jennifer.

I mean, what if he had looked at you and it killed his boner? I would think about that forever.

That would have been far more devastating than the money shot.

I agree. It's disgusting. It's interesting, and I never want to see it, but if it's going to happen, I at least am glad I could help.

Take it over the finish line. Yeah. All right. Well, I think... Welcome to I've Had It. I'm Jennifer.

I'm Kylie. She said- H-B-I-L. No, H-L-I-C. Head lesbian in charge.

It's like H-lick. It's...

That's good. I should call it. It's a brand.

Listener, Pumps went to Houston to see her son, and she was like, I'm going to change the flight. I'm going to push it back. I said, Don't. We film a million episodes all the time. Go enjoy the time with your son. And Kylie subbing in one day. We're practicing codependency.

I have had a podcast. Independency.

Independency. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do we have any reviews of this podcast?

We do. Up first, I've got a five-star titled Jennifer and Angie, Something, Something. It says, Black, yes, capital B, Christian Chicagoan woman here dropping by to extend a public invite to the Black Cookout to Jen and Angie. These two get two lifetime passes, but it will be revoked if they bring potato salad with raisins. To attend the amazing cultural event that is the Black Cookout, it's our circle of love. This podcast is thoughtful, honest, funny, and Jen and Angie show what it truly means to be an ally to the marginalized in this country and world. Thanks for keeping it real. Thanks for holding politicians feet to the fire. Loved your interview with Jeff Duncan. Thanks for speaking to the grief of this time, and thanks for exposing these performative Christians wishing continued success.

That is so nice. Very nice. The cookout, which I think all white people should aspire to be cookout approved white person for sure. Then we have to keep exposing the performative Christians because they're just too much.

The politicians on both sides. It's very important. That's what the right doesn't do. I think that's why you guys make such an impact. I mean, our inbox is full of positive and negative, but a lot of positive because people just feel so seen when you say these things to politicians on both sides.

Yeah.

Okay, I've got one more. Five stars. With love from Buffalo, Courtney says, saw a woman sitting next to me with the podcast on her phone while we were both awaiting mammogram results this morning. Made me feel a little better to be next to someone like-minded. Keep fighting the good fight. Love this pod and anyone else who is listening.

That's so nice.

The podcast has actually been a really good litmus test in public for me. I was getting some work done in my car, and this guy, blue collar, I just assumed he shouldn't know what I do for a living. Then he texted me after because we got to talking about it. He was like, I'm a huge fan, and so is my wife. I was like, It's how I find safe people.

That's a really good point. I was at the pet food store in Oklahoma City before I moved, and a couple of the people that work there, I thought for sure, Magga, right? And they're like, Hey, I've been watching your clips. And she said something like, I am so fucking done with Trump. So I don't know if she was Magga at some point. But no, I feel like everything right now when people say, I'm not into politics, I just think that's such bullshit because everything is political right now. Everything. We're literally in the fight for our democracy. I agree. It's a really good litmus test.

It is. Saying, I'm not into politics is someone who is just embarrassed to say their views, I think.

I agree. I think they're embarrassed to say they're MAGA. Do you have any friends that have cut you off?

I don't. I've had I have friends that used to talk about the podcast a lot when it was more surface, like when we talked about casserole or the HOA. They would text me all the time, big fans. Then I noticed a lot of them die off when it became more political.

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Okay, we have a great guest today. He is one-third of Pod Save America, and we are going to rip it. So he's representing his group. Pumps is out. I'm representing I've Had It. So together we're going to make a dynamic duo. His name is Tommy Vietor. Vietor. Tommy, are you here?

I'm right here. How are you doing? Good.

How are you? How do I pronounce your last- Vietor.

It's fine. It doesn't matter.

Vietor.

No one cares. Okay.

Let's welcome to I've Had It, Tommy Vietor. Tommy, how are you?

I'm doing great. I'm very excited to do this. Thank you for inviting me.

I'm very excited to do it, too. I was so upset because your staff at Cricket, contacted us and wanted us to go to Cricket Con.

I know.

I can't go because my youngest son is a freshman at USC, and it's Parents Weekend, that exact same weekend. I'll be in LA. You can't miss that. Working mom his whole life like, I have to show show up to all of that big stuff.

You're a good mom. We'll miss you. It would have been very fun. But you know what? Hopefully, it'll be good, and we'll do it again.

Yeah. If we still have democracy, we'll do it again.

Right. Details.

All right, Tommy, what have you had it with?

I've had it with getting beaten by the biggest fucking losers on the planet. I'm thinking about Stephen Miller, thinking about Don and Eric Trump. I'm thinking about all those racist assholes featured in that Politico story with their little Telegram chat where they're talking about how they love Hitler. And have you seen photos of these people? Yes. My friend sent me a tweet that said they looked like they were genetically engineered to survive golf cart crashes. I saw that. Anyway, I'm so tired of these losers beating us. And there's been this perception that MAGA is cool and that that is the descendant part of the culture, and it is just wrong, and it's driving me crazy, and we can't let it happen anymore.

I couldn't agree more. I always say to pups, I'm like, We cannot lose our democracy to these fucking dorks. Dorks. I mean, Steven Miller is the worst. The worst. Absolute fucking worst human being on the planet. Then you get to JD Vance, who is a failed drag queen. He is. He is a failed drag queen. He wanted to be a drag queen. He couldn't do it. He wasn't fabulous enough. He goes off to Peter Thiel's gay boot camp in Silicon Valley, and he comes out like a sociopathic queer-eye freak show. He'd be so much cooler if he'd just come out. I have this whole theory, Tommy, that in the MAGA movement, there's a group of DL demon queens. I think that a lot of them are mad that they can't come out and feel pride. And so they browbeat everybody all day long, and then they get on Grinder at night, and then they go do gay stuff, and they wake up. But I think they think, like the Mike Johnson of it all, he's such a nut evangelical. I think he thinks, Okay, I can't stop doing gay stuff. But if I make America a Christian nationalists, then I'm going to curry favor with God.

I grew up in a red state around all these evangelicals, and they think shit like this.

The repression... No, sorry to interrupt. You're so right about the repressed. There's so many people who are repressing something and then acting out in a way that is evil and cruel towards the part of themselves that they hate. You just see that over and over and over again. Yeah, I'm It makes me crazy. It makes me crazy.

What about dumb and dumb? That's what I call Eric and Dawn.

There's a story in the Financial Times this week that says, The Trump family organization has made $1 billion with a B dollars in realized gains from just their cryptocurrency business since he's taken office. These people are making out like bandits, and they are just looting the US government, and they are trading favors left and right. Trump went to Egypt to the Sharm El Sheik peace summit thing, and he's on stage. And Pruboha Subianto, the President of Indonesia, grabbed him and started asking him questions. He's like, Do I talk to Don? Do I talk to Eric? And he's like, Call Eric. He's a good boy. And they're just doing a real estate deal on stage at this peace summit. What's happening here?

The thing is, when I think about it, every single day, there's five to seven impeachable/above the lead corporate media meltdown moments. But it's all just skimmed over. It's all just normalized. The fact that, to me, Trump's dementia is so pronounced. It's so obvious. Every night, he has like, sundown or hour in the oval, it seems like. Everybody's standing around him for his show and tell. I have this theory. I think that the Peter Thiel, the Steven Miller, the JD Vans of it. They're like, Okay, we're going to give him design projects. He can work on his redecorating, work on his arc to Trump. We're going to keep him super busy with that while we go shake down everybody and everything. Totally. Just keep him busy. Totally. Because he doesn't have the intellectual capacity to stay on, to do all of these diabolical things. He's down with it, but he doesn't have the staying power to see it from start to completion because a lot of them don't have anything to do with him.

Yeah. Well, he doesn't have staffers. He has fluffers. I mean, everyone is just there to tell him he's great. And it's this constant just nauseating process of this stroking this man's ego or something else. And yeah, it's hard to watch. Peter Thiel, by the way, is apparently in the midst of doing four nights of these lectures about the Antichrist in San Francisco. You could pay 200 bucks to watch Peter Thiel tell you about the Antichrist. That's the thing people are doing now.

I had to look him up because this is an interesting psychological case study. So he's gay, out of the closet, married, has kids, total Bible thumper, and as a side hustle, does conferences on the Antichrist. Why? And he decided he doesn't think that democracy is great anymore, and he wants to do away with it with his buddy, Curtis Yarvin, and move us into dark enlightenment. Here's the thing. I wish Democrats would grow up here and just start saying shit like, You're going to let I know the messaging, we don't believe in this in our core, but it would resonate. I feel like we play two different games. I feel like some Democrats need to say, you're going to let some guy that was born in Germany, raised in South Africa, comes over here, gets tax loopholes, and he's going to decide we shouldn't have democracy. He's queer-eye JD Vance and owns this guy. You're going to let him destroy the country. But it's all this pussy-fitting around with the Dems. To me, it seems like such a layup to take these guys out, and they get their feelings hurt so bad. I've been going viral for 24 hours because I said JD Vance doesn't defend his mixed-race kids and his wife of Indian descent.

The right wing is melting down. They're losing their minds because I said that. They're such titty babies. They can't even take it.

They're so sensitive. I mean, you're right. Democrats, I think, sometimes think, Here's the way we win elections. They stack this many accomplishments and we stack this many. It's like, No. The way politics works is sometimes you need to pick an enemy and you need to demog an issue and you need to fight and make people think that you're on their side while the other guys are on a different side. One thing I've been watching and it's driving me insane is the Trump administration right now is floating this proposal to bailout to Argentina. Why? Because their crazy president, this guy, Javier Mallet, is nice to Trump and shows up at CPAC, these right wing conferences. You know who's going to benefit from this bailout? Blackrock, PIMCO, hedge funds, billionaires. It's like this was designed in a fucking lab to be the most politically damaging thing I've ever heard. And by the way, meanwhile, farmers in Argentina are undercutting US Soybean farmers by selling their crops to the Chinese. And these American farmers are about to go bankrupt, and yet we're going to give a $20 billion bailout to this country? How is this? Like, light yourself on fire and go in front of the White House and talk about this.

Here's the problem. The Democrats don't talk about it. And so guess who's filling that void right now? Marjorie Taylor Greene. She is tweeting that the Democrats are not having moral clarity about Israel. And guess who is Marjorie Taylor Greene? So you have this nut who has a lot more political savviness than I ever thought. Who is a grifter? Who is an anti-Semite, who has the most nefarious of intentions imaginable. But she hangs out with Steve Bandon all the time, who is a political strategist, a nut, but a smart political strategist. And they're filling this vacuum because you know what they see? They see that in this authoritarian, Trump has to emit strength in order for it to stay all intact. He's got bruises on his hands, cangals, dementia, his makeup looks like shit, he's cheating at golf more and more. He looks like this frail person. So the fissures and MAGA are happening. So the smart MAGA people, and I know that sounds like an oxymoron, and it is, but the most opportunistic MAGA people see this void that the Democrats will not fill. As a person who lived in Oklahoma City for 51 years, I know what the electorate...

Oklahoma City is perfectly purple. It's 50/50. I know what middle Americans think. When a politician says people in Israel have health care, and people in Israel do not have student loan debt. That's going to hit hard in flyover states. And if the Democrats don't fill that void, then some grifting anti-Semitic opportunists like Marjorie Taylor-Greene is going to fill it. And now, Tommy, they're talking about changing the 20 billion to Argentina to 40.

Yes. Because why not double it? Well, let's just double down on this. This guy's an insane person, by the way. The President of Argentina used to carry a chainsaw to events because he was going to chainsaw the government. Then he gave his chainsaw to Elon Musk at CPAC because why not give a man coming down from ketamine a chainsaw? What could go wrong with that? And also, he's talked about how he's got this corrupt sister who's his only advisor. He talked about talking to his dead dog to get political advice. This guy's fucking bonkers. And we're like, Yeah, there's 20 billion. There's 40 billion. Why not?

Did you see his concert that he put on?

Oh, my God. Yes. It was like low rent Rolling Stones. Community Theater, Rolling Stones, doing '80s cover songs in a leather jacket with this crazy Wolfman hair.

I thought it's so hard to out crazy Trump. It's so hard to look like a bigger asshole than Trump. And when I I saw that concert. I was like, he did it.

Nailed it, sir.

That was to him.

Yeah. Credit to you. Yeah.

Okay. Let's talk about... Kylie, our producer, told me that you listened to the Cory Booker episode.

I did.

Okay.

I have a lot of thoughts. Okay, Let's just start with the Israel stuff, because that's where I was screaming at the phone, and I felt like I was really glad you pushed really hard. What I found frustrating was you were making really valid, important points about how Americans don't want to support a country that is bombing kids in Gaza. A lot of his answers were deflection and whataboutism. Just to summarize, a lot of what he said was like, what about Sudan? What about US support for the Saudi-led war in Yemen? And I just want to address those two issues quickly because those are very important, and I care deeply about both. And so when it comes to Sudan, we need to restore the work USAID was doing because people are starving to death in refugee camps right now. And then the US needs to crack down on the United Arab Emirates because they are funneling weapons to the RSF, which is the other half of the civil war happening in Sudan. So I'm with Cory Booker there. And then on Yemen, he was like, what about when Obama was supporting the Saudi-led war in Yemen in 2015 with refueling logistics?

And that is true, the Obama administration, which I worked for, I left in 2013, but they did this after. They were providing logistics, intelligence support, et cetera, and then arm sales. And then there was this awful airstrike on a funeral or a wedding or something in Yemen. So the administration paused and then cut off that support. But it was a mistake for the Obama administration to do that. But we're talking about a thing that happened 10 years ago. Setting that aside, I'll take on those issues, I'll talk about them anytime. What the US does for Israel is just an entirely different category. To suggest otherwise, I think, is dishonest. The Congressional Research Service did a report on US military support for Israel, and they stayed in clear text. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of US foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the US has provided 174 billion in military assistance to Israel. On top of that, there's all this diplomatic cover at the United Nations. Bibi Netanyahu is an ICC-indicted war criminal for starving kids to death for bombing populated areas. We're welcoming this man to Washington. He's been to the White House, what, four times?

There was that awful picture in the Senate that you mentioned. It's like this guy is a corrupt racist who, before this war started, was trying to shred Israel's judicial system. I've heard this argument over and over again from people like Senator Booker and other Democrats I fight with about this. It's like, Well, I want to be in the room and I want make my case to his face and not have these disputes spill up publicly. And I just want to say to them, What has that accomplished? What has that improved? Did you break through with this corrupt racist war criminal in your meeting with him on Capitol Hill? No, he doesn't give a fuck about what Democrats think because Bibi Netanyahu wanted Donald Trump to win, and also he wants you to lose your election. And let's just be clear-eyed about that.

Right. No, I completely agree. I knew when he was thrown throwing Obama under the bus, because he brought up his parents being civil rights activists. I kept probing him. Then when he threw Obama under the bus, which I agree with you, Obama was known as a drone President, and there's an argument to be made there, but that's a separate conversation than the one at hand. Obama is universally beloved. I knew that he was underwater. I have a lot of thoughts about all of this. So I've always been the Democrat in this red state. When you live in a red state, you are more domestically focused, especially if you live in a red state, because they are coming after Civil Liberties, they are Christian nationalists. Nothing that is happening right now on the national stage surprises me much because that's the way it was in a deeply religious red state my whole life. Local politics were just like this. Of course, I knew about Israel, and of course, I knew about Palestine. But when you I live in Oklahoma, and the oceans are a long way away. I'm not trying to sound glib, but you don't care that much because you have politicians that are trying to take away your right to an abortion, gay marriage, all sorts of things.

I had kids, I was an interior designer, and then obviously get more and more and more into politics. When you see what's happening in Gaza, it's a moment where you think about when you learned about War II, who is speaking out? Who is going to stand up for these people? It was something that I really started digging into. Then I've been so shocked at the Democratic establishment's take on so much of this. Then when you dig into it more and more, they're all beholden to APAC. Then when you realize that APAC gave Trump just as much money to get elected as Elon Musk did, and then you start opening your eyes up more and more. When we first started talking about politics, obviously a bunch of white women, it was Heartbreak Hotel. They were really mad at Pumps and Me because we weren't mad at. Then we start talking about politics more and more. Then a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago, we were the moderator for Kamala Harris's book tour in LA. Super cool thing to do, right? Awesome. Then the leftists were really mad at us. I want to be clear about this to the Democrats.

As much as Cory Booker and Hakeem Jeffrey's and Chuckles Schumer piss me off, and what weak, duplicitous, bought and paid for politicians they are, I would claw through 10 feet of concrete and get my fingers to the bone to go vote for one of them over a MAGA Republican. Beautifully said. Because I have lived in a state where these MAGA Republicans have had super majorities. And in Oklahoma, it's 50th in education, you got some nut who just resigned, who's the biggest closet DL demon queen I've ever seen in my life, obsessed with trans people, obsessed with porn, trying to violate teachers unions. They do away with workers rights. As much as disgusted as I get with corporate Democrats. I know what's on the line to vote for them. They're not my first choice. I feel like as we navigate this, and I'm able to have Cory Booker on the pod, and I'm able to talk to him about the things that I I think are important and vulnerabilities of the party right now and the party's messaging, it's also important for people to understand he's not my first choice, but I would walk barefoot uphill for 10 miles to vote for him over a fucking Republican.

Totally.

First of all, I loved every minute of that rant. I feel the same way. It's like, sometimes political debates get so flattened. It's like, you know what? We're all adults here. You If you don't get everything you want out of life, it could be infuriating and frustrating. Sometimes our choices are bad and worse. But worse is worse. You know what I mean? And better is better. So let's just put on our critical thinking hats. The other part of the Booker, the domestic political conversation with Booker, I get what he was saying there when he was like, My voters care about the economy, and my voters care about me getting funding to get these lead pipes replaced because lead is devastating for kids. I got that from the Biden administration administration. And I think that's all totally fair, and that's important, and that is his job. But the disconnect there was like, you're an activist. You know what I mean? Your job is not serving constituency. Your job is to push him and other Democrats from the outside to be more progressive, because the sque wheel gets the grease. You know what I mean? If you're hearing from only the pro-Israel side, you're going to lean that direction.

If you're not hearing from people who are concerned about the war in Gaza, you're going to think there isn't a constituency. And also, I feel like what a lot of Democrats are saying when they say they want their leaders to fight harder is we want more harm reduction. I get that Cory Booker is trying to pass things that are good, but Trump is devastating communities right now. It's like, how can you throw your body in front of that to block it? I think that's what people are calling for.

Yeah, I completely agree. I think my heartache with Cory Booker was real. I, as a person, a liberal person that's not religious at all, that lived in this Bible thumper red state, I mean, Republicans out the wazoo. Politicians like Cory Booker or Hakem Jeffrey's or Nancy Pelosi were like, for me, it was like, okay, good. Somebody gets it. Somebody's fighting for me. Then when I see this is a 911 all hands on deck. We're voting to confirm... What's his name? Kushner?

Kushner, yeah.

My thing is, you have to be a credible messenger, Senator Booker. You have to have credibility. When you say you care, Oh, my God, look at what ICE is doing. Look at what ICE is doing with these little kids and sending them into court, and they don't have a lawyer, and these five-year-olds are standing in front of a judge. That is abhorrent. Cory did a whole Instagram reel on that. Then you find out that he is funding and consistently voting. The only bipartisan ship that I see right now is the support for Israel, which Israel, the government, at least, favors MAGA, which is interesting to me because all the anti-Semites I know are Republicans, evangelicals, or the most anti-Semitic people I've ever met. But the credible messenger part of the Democratic Party is super important to me right now. You can't cherry-pick which kids you care about, which is why I care about Israeli safety. I do, but I also care about Palestinian safety. I care about both. I feel like the Israeli Really propaganda tries to force you to pick one, to value one over the other. But that's the government they're trying to set up, is an ethno-state that favors Jewish people over others.

They're projecting that onto us. I think there's a massive vacuum here, Tommy, a massive vacuum. And grifters that are truly anti-Semitic are going to fill this void. And the problem with all of these fuckers that are playing patty cake with these fascists is at some point the knives are going to turned at you. The Latinos for Trump just found this out. I don't know how they didn't see the mass deportation now signs, but now they're getting deported and they're starting to find out. But I want to make one more point about Kamala. For a lot of people in this country, if you're gay, if you're trans, if you're a woman that lives in a red state and you were raped and you had to travel, and this is very real, this happens all the time, you had to have somebody sponsor you and go get money and try to sneak out of the to go get an abortion because you don't want to have your rapist baby. A Kamala Harris candidacy for that person who doesn't think in terms of the global stage meant a lifeline. Living in a red state for so long, I understand that.

I understand how important that is for so many marginalized people. On the left, I feel like you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. If you don't go far enough left, then you're ridiculed. I feel like as we build our tent and structure it, the people that piss me off the most in this tent are the Cory Booker's and the Hakeem Jeffrey's, because I can't understand, and this is a question I wanted to get to with him, but he had to go vote even though the government shut down, why he hasn't endorsed or on Mamdani?

Yeah, that's crazy. I find it the caution around Mamdani's race is exhausting and infuriating. He is a really exciting, cool, young politician with some really progressive positions who seems like fundamentally a very decent and good guy. And the idea that the leadership of the party cannot back him for some strange, mysterious region is just it's pathetic to me. It's absurd to me. And it's also like, Hey, guys, do you think this is really going to save you? Do you think the Republicans aren't going to try to suggest that you believe everything that Mamdani believes in the next election? Of course they are. So just sack up and support the guy that is exciting people, especially young voters, and actually able to communicate with them in a way that no one has done since what AOC came out to the scene. This is a step change in terms of just the ability to communicate a message and values and actually seem credible to people. That credibility gap is not... It's not being... Problem is not being solved by a lot of Democrats.

And I don't know why he doesn't just say something to the extent that that Zora is a little bit further left than I am, but I believe in democracy, and I believe in the Democratic primary. I think it's very Trumpian that Cory Booker and Chuckles don't endorse him. I think it's giving Trump. It's giving Trump vibes. We are supposed to be the party that we believe in free and fair elections, and this person's the winner, and they won't endorse. One thing I wish I would have said to Cory on the interview is he said, A lot of people don't know who Chuck Schumer is. That's true. A lot of people have no idea. But at this point, in this moment, everybody should know who the Senate minority leader is because that's how loud and that's how much hell they should be raising. Everybody in America should know exactly who is the face that's fighting for them, that is the closest proximity in the House and Senate to get things done. The fact that Hakeem Jeffrey and Chuck Schumer are not household names right now tell you what a shitty job they're doing. Because I think the Democrats, I heard, what's that old guy's name from Louisiana that did the Clinton campaign manager?

Jesus Christ. James Carville.

Him. Okay. James Carville. He said he has a political strategy, and he may have evolved since then. I don't want to pigeonhole him into this. I heard this a couple of months ago. When your other side is really messing up, just sit back and let them mess up. If this was a Mitt Romney presidency or John McCandcey, let him step in it. But this is different. And I think the fact, I wish I would have pushed back on him on that, that they're not being that loud is evidence to what a failed resistance they're putting up.

Yeah. Look, like you, I think of my best comebacks in the car on the way back from the argument. But honestly, I have the same thought as I was listening. It's like, yeah, our leadership, we're not great messengers. We're not great communicators. And in this moment, I think there is a huge void in terms of everyone looking around the party for leadership. And then some Democrats are surprising. Chris Van Holland, Senator from Maryland, was not someone I was super familiar with, but he went down to El Salvador to try to get in contact with Kilmar Obrego Garcia during the Sincat stuff. He's been really out front and a leader on all things Gaza. I'm like, seeing someone like that step up and inspire you, that's cool and important. But I'd like to see a lot more of it from leadership. And sometimes I worry with Schumer that a lot of this is age and just like coming from a different era and this lingering belief that like, oh, Republicans will come to their senses after Trump. And we can go back to the old ways where we negotiated things in good faith and got drinks later.

I think that version of politics is dead, or at least dead for a long time. And we got to like, snap up, like figure out the next thing.

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Yes.

And he couldn't answer it. My husband said, You think Trump would blink? You think he'd think two fucking seconds before he'd answer that? And that's the difference. They're playing two different games here. The Democrats want to govern incrementally and word salad and all of this rhetoric. I just don't think it resonates anymore. I remember when Trump first came on the scene, when he went down the escalator, nobody thought he was ever going to win the primary, Tommy. But when he was at the debates and he was brow beating Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, I loved it.

I loved it.

I loved it.

I would cancel plans to go home and watch those debates. I remember there was a party, my friend was, so I was like, I'm sick. I got to go home because I wanted to watch that because he would just say, Hey, Rand Paul, your hair sucks and you're ugly. And you're like, Oh, my God. We can do this now? This is great. But yeah, no. Trump, look, I'm not a big Trump fan. He is incredibly successful and an adept politician, in part because he says what he thinks in an unvarnished, blunt way. I think on your Gaza point, I'm with you. I think most voters are not primarily focused on foreign policy. However, they've consumed information about the war in Gaza for the last year. They've heard it called the genocide. They've heard about the ICC. They've heard about kids getting starved and bombed. When you can't just speak candidly about that, or when you seem like you're dodging or ducking, they start to wonder, What else is this person not being straight with me on? Or why can't they tell me the truth here? What is it about them that is just... It gives you a bad feeling.

It just makes you think that the fix is in on them. Because if you can't say, Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, which I think is just an objection. I mean, it's just true. It's just a fact. And that he knows on some point because the photoshoot where he's like hiding. The more you open up your eyes to it, for me, as somebody who was like an MSNBC Democrat. I was a good Democrat. I watched MSNBC every night, and I hosted fundraisers for local politicians. They always lost in Oklahoma, but I did my part. I had Obama signs in my yard, Hillary signs in my yard. But the more I opened up my eyes to all of it, the person whose message has aged the best is Bernie's. His message has... I remember I put a Hillary sign in the yard, and my son was like, Mom, you're such a centrist. I can't believe you don't have a Bernie sign in your yard. How I managed to raise liberals in Oklahoma. But my son was right because those policies have left an incremental governing and the wages not raising and the wealth disparity has created this vacuum.

When Trump comes in and he's saying, Lion Ted, and he's beating up on people, it makes people feel like somebody's fighting for them. He gives that state of mind. I think I'm really impressed with Graham Platner out of Maine. I think somebody like that would really resonate well in flyover states because he's just very plain-spoken. He calls people out. Mamdani is so talented. It's a shame that he wasn't born here because he has the ability to stay classy and cutting all at the same time. I think he's just very impressive. But who do you think the... If the The primaries were next month for President, 2028. Let's fast forward. Who would be your top three that you think it would narrow down to?

I just want to start this by being honest. I'm just not really impressed by anybody right now. I'm not trying to duck your question. I'm happy to talk about names, but I want my... When I was in 2004, I worked on the John Edwards for President campaign. We lost to John Kerry. I was trying to figure out what the hell to do with my life. I was sleeping on a couch, broke and jobless, waiting to get a job. And I found Barack Obama. I read his book. I got obsessed with it. And I was like, I became obsessed with working for him. It was all I wanted to do. It inspired me. It excited me. And it's like, I'm not looking for that again because I'm old now and I have kids and can't do that shit. But I want someone to make me pound the table. Yes, you're getting me fired up. And so there are people I think are really talented. I think Pete Buttajage is really talented. You could throw that guy on Fox News. It could be a 10 on one interview. He will hold his own. He will do and say impressive things.

I think Gavin Newsom is fighting harder than anyone. And I'll be honest, back in the day, I did not like Gavin Newsom. In the 2008 era, he was on the other side of the Clinton Obama thing. I had some hard feelings about him. I thought some things in his record were shitty. Then I met him. I interviewed him a couple of times. I spent time with him and I was like, God damn it, I really like this guy. It's so annoying. He got me He's funny. He wants to win. He's like, he could be on this show and he would just hang out with you guys and you would have a blast. I'll pause there because I don't want to list a billion people. But I don't know, I want someone to make my heart flutter.

The two that you mentioned, though, I feel like this is what we need to start talking about. It's what I talked about with Cory. I believe Pete face-planted on your all's podcast with a gaza question, correct? Oh, big time, yeah. Then recently, Gavin was asked about APAC, and he who's always such a smooth operator. You can tell hamster just starts taking off on the well. He's like, interesting. You're asking me about APAC. Yeah, that was weird. Interesting. That's weird. I've never thought about it. I feel like these People, if you want to run on a national ticket, you better have a good answer for that. They think this is the difference. The Magabase is stupid. They read... I'm sure I'll get wrote for that, but I don't care. They They read information and watch information that is not fact-based. So they think they're really well-informed. On the left side, we are more informed. And so I feel like a lot of them are treating us like we're stupid. Like with Cory, I felt like the whole thing was an insult to our intelligence that he can say, Of course, he's a war criminal. And all of that filibustering that they do doesn't work so well.

I feel like whoever the He next nominee on a national ticket better have a really good fucking answer for that thing because the right machine is already seeing curtains on Trump. They already see it. He's frail. Biology is going to catch up with him any minute. They're seeing a post-Maga electorate. Marge is positioning herself. Tucker Carlson is positioning himself. I think he could run. I think if the Democrats do not start talking about this in a smart way that addresses it instead of playing dumb and possum, it's going to fuck them. I really do.

Yeah. What I heard from Senator Booker was just like, it sounded so defensive. And it's starting at this place where it was almost like suggesting you were unfairly singling out Israel out of some animus. And it's like, no, man, people are talking about this because there's been this horrific war that has filled our TV and social media feeds for two years. And I don't want to see any kid die. I I don't want my tax dollars to go to bombing kids in Gaza. And it's just like, that's not an anti-Semitic thing to say. That's not singling out a single country. That's like being self-aware that we've given, what, 174 billion dollars to Israel in military funding. And we are viewed as a party in this conflict. I think that, honestly, some terrorist group a decade from now is going to blow up some bus full of tourists in Greece or someplace, and it's going to be because of the war in Gaza and US support for And I don't want that to happen. So that's that piece of it for me. On the APAC front, I just think we should just be clear about what APAC's goals are.

It's an organization that essentially is demanding that everyone vote the Net and Yaya Yahoo line. If you stray, you get attacked. I got called an anti-Semite by the head of the ADL for suggesting that Bibi Netanyahu dragged Trump into war with Iran, which is self-evidently true. But I think for Democrats, it's like, Hey, APAC wants you to lose. They primarily intervene in Democratic Party primaries and take out progressive candidates. So let's just be honest about what this organization's values are. And if you want to be associated with that, okay. But don't tell me I'm wrong for raising it.

I agree. I completely agree. And I think sometimes it's been a difficult conversation for a lot of us to have because I'm an atheist. I've always been an atheist. But I have a lot of Jewish friends. And in Oklahoma, all of the democratic fundraisers that I would go to, the most progressive people there were Jewish people. We have a very small Jewish community. I sent my kids to a Jewish preschool. I understand from having Jewish friends, the dark cloud that you must grow up with reading about World War II and the Holocaust and how horrible that is. But I also have some Palestinian friends, and I have to value both of their suffering and both of their dark clouds the same and not give preferential treatment to either. I think the emotional blackmail that is being put on by Israeli propaganda-style sites to emotionally blackmail us, that when we say that we see something that is morally wrong, that if we say that, then somehow we have to tiptoke because we're going to be called an anti-Semi. It's just wrong. I think this situation is craving a democratic leader that can come up and speak factually and truthfully about this, put the kibosh on all the APAC money.

Like you said, they always want the Republicans to win. Okay, Tommy, let's play our game. It's a world famous game. Had it or hit it, Gavin Newsom has played it. Your former boss, Barack Obama has played it. Now you will play it. Oh my God. Welcome to Had It or Hit It. I would hit it. Had It. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Okay. Had It or Hit It, Ms. Rachel.

Hit It. I love Ms. Rachel. She She's on all the time in my house. Also, she has been speaking up for the humanity of Palestinian kids. These monsters her for it. This group called Stop Antisemitism suggested she was funded by Hamas. I made this video defending her and calling these people insane. So now we're friends and we text. She's the nicest human being in the planet. Stop attacking Ms. Rachel for caring about children. Sorry if I'm going on too long, but it's outrageous.

No, I love that. She followed me and followed the podcast on Instagram. She should have her on. I I have a sister, but I think she's busy. I mean, I will. I'm going to have her on. I screenshot and circled it and sent it to my nephews. I have an older sister, so my nephews are in their 30s, and they have little toddlers right now. They were freaking out that Ms. Rachel had followed me. She's a queen. Okay. Had it or hit it, free speech, hypocrites.

Hit it. I'm tired of these people. I'm tired of these people. No, I had it. Wait, I'm sorry. I've had it. I do not want to have sex with all the people trying to kick you out of the country if you were critical of Charlie Yeah, no, I'm so sick of this hypocrisy. You know what I mean? Remember Elon Musk used to tell us he was a free speech absolutist? Where'd that go? Where'd that go for Jimmy Kimmel? Where'd that go for any student here who happens to have written a completely vanilla banal op-ed about how the war in Gaza is bad? I'm so tired of this bullshit. You guys do not care about free speech. You care about your speech you like. You want that to be free.

These guys are such babies. Pumps and I call Titty Babies. The list of things that they're triggered by, Jimmy Kimmel, Bad Bunny, White Libra Women, Mexicans, Black people, Colin Kaepernick, and it grows, Drag Queens, gay people, God save America, guys. Can you imagine navigating a remote control if you were a MAGA Republican? Can you imagine the mind field that that would be? I mean, these guys are such pussies. It's unbelievable. It goes back to your very original grievance that we're getting beat by these total fucking pussy dorks that are terrified of Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert, and Bad Bunny.

Yes. And the President and the vice President are number one. They log on to Twitter, they find something to be aggrieved about, and they write these op-ed-length screeps. Should you have something better to do?

Have you seen that guy? Speaking of op-ed-length tweets, his name, he's a big- Bill Ackman. That guy. A total nut. I mean, can you imagine? Here's my thing about these billionaires. Can you imagine you have crushed capitalism? You haven't flown commercial in decades. You can do whatever the fuck you want to do. And then you saddle up with Trump. That's your legacy. You don't leave some thumbprint that you did something good, that you did something earnest, that you really helped people. Your legacy is going to be writing novels on a white supremacist website named Twitter for a man that cheats at golf that is dumber than a box of Hot Rocks. It's unbelievable.

They're so whiny. It makes me insane. Like, yeah, go get on your PJ, go to or something, whatever you people do.

Exactly. Okay. Had it or hit it, Ted Creez.

I'm hesitating because Ted was the only person who actually took a principal position on the topic we just talked about when Kimmel was suspended and said, Actually, no, this is bad for the SEC to do that. George Bush had a famous line, It was the soft bigotry of low expectations. But I'm tapping that ass right now. I'm heading it.

Ted Cruz, Pumps and I always say we have the most unfuckable man in America. And Ted Cruz was number one forever. And then until the rise of Steven Miller, and now it's neck to neck. Like, Steven Miller, Ted Cruz, obviously neck to neck. But something glorious happened. Ted Cruz, I was on CNN the other night, and I was bashing JD Vance because he wouldn't condemn the young Republicans. And I was like, You have an Indian wife. You have mixed-race kids. Maggie, if he won't stand up for them, he's not going to stand up for you. Ted Cruz retweeted the clip. Here it is. So good. He writes, This is disgusting. Leave his kids alone. Which Tom I mean, I think this is so rich coming from the guy who Donald Trump called his wife ugly, said that his dad assassinated JFK. And then Ted Cruz is literally feigning tears at the RNC, screaming, God bless Donald Trump. It's unbelievable the moral collapse that happens when people capitulate to Trump. It's like one tiny centimeter, and then progressively, they become worse and worse and worse each and every day. Everybody in his orbit becomes a worse person.

That was what a ridiculous, whiny baby, especially when you think of the broader context, which is like Donald Trump and Republicans have spent the last 5 or 10 years spending the majority of their time demagoguing trans kids, right? And saying the meanest things they could possibly say to a community and attacking them constantly as part of just a political prop. So Ted can fuck off. He is a little titty baby. Should I take back my thing? No, I'm glad he said what he said about free speech.

You have to have had it with Ted Cruz. You can have the caveat that sometimes assholes have moments of clarity. That's it. Ted had a moment. Raphael had a moment of clarity, but he sucks. He will always suck. He's undefeated at sucking. Well, actually, I mean, Steven Miller probably sucks more. Okay, last Come on. Had it or hit it, the United States of America.

I'm hitting it. I love this country. It's a great country. We got to fight for it. I think what I'm excited about, today's Friday, the 17th, tomorrow, Saturday, no Kings. There's going to be millions of people out on the streets protesting in their own unique fun ways. In Portland, they'll be doing make it bike rides. Are you talking about the terrorist? The terrorist, the terrorist rallies that we're all going to tomorrow? Yeah, no, that's exactly right. The Hamas-fueled terrorist rallies we're all attending tomorrow. No, but it is like, look, the first Trump administration, it was like out of the gate, huge protests, women's march, march for our lives. There was this solidarity. There was this feeling that we were pushing back immediately. There was a reminder to Trump that he had not won the popular vote, that we had the numbers, and there was strength in that. And this time, it has just been the opposite. It is this void, and we are all feeling it, and we're all looking for our leaders to step up. But I'm sick of waiting for them. So I'm really excited for everybody to come out this week and be on the streets and to be protesting.

And so that's what I love about America, that we can still do that, that you and I can say the meanest things imaginable about the White House. And we're allowed to do it. So I'm going to hit it.

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Oh, yeah. Crooked Con is coming up. What the hell date is it?

I know when it is. It's Parents Weekend at USA.

That's right. Crooked Con is in DC on November seventh. We are trying to get the least annoying politicians, the smartest activists and strategists together to just get in a room and talk about the future of the country, what we can do better, how to fix things, how to fight. I'm going to do a nerdy thing about progressive foreign policy. I'm excited to do it. It's always fun to see people in person. I think we desperately need to convene more. Republicans are really good at this, like CPAC. They bring them all together, all these goobers in a room, and they figure stuff out, and we got to do it. So I'm very excited about Crooked Con. So go to crookedcon. Com if you want to come.

Cool. All right, Tommy, I just so enjoyed this. It's been long overdue. Me too.

Thank you so much for having me. You're the only person in my TikTok these days, so it's really great. I feel like this is a big deal for me.

Oh, thank you. We are huge fans of Podsave and all of the work you do. And I agree with you that we all need to unite and collaborate as much as possible. I just appreciate it.

Thank you so much. This is really fun.

Okay, bye. He's cool, right?

I love him.

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Oh, I would be so scared to be in a room with any of the pod Save guys and try to hold my own.

Yeah, they're all very smart. They're all good-looking guys, too. I think that they're the O. G. Left political podcasters.

Agree.

Yeah, I think they're all great. Well, guys, Kylie, thank you for subbing for Pumps. Make sure you check out Crooked Con. Make sure you buy our book, Life is a Lazy Susan, A Shit Sandwiches. And we'll see you next. When do we see you, Kylie?

We'll see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

Thursday.

Thursday. All right, bye. I'll tell you what I've had it with.

Let's hear it.

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