Transcript of Week 9 Waivers + Full Stream Ahead - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/3

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright.

Oh, welcome in. Just me and a bear and Mike.

Oh, I thought you were going to say it. MJ Griss. Classic comedy.

Ah, yes. Yes, Bear Daddy. Um, all right.

Don't tell people my wow name. That's private.

I don't know if we gain or lose subscribers if we talk about World of Warcraft.

It's probably a net neutral.

It's probably a net neutral.

Some in, some out.

But those of you out there that are 40 years old who played World of Warcraft when we did, when we were teenagers, might be aware that WoW Forever comes out tomorrow. And then you might further be aware that we have a Foot Clan Guild that we're forming to relive our childhood. Now, will we be able to play as much as back then? We pretend we will.

Yeah.

But we won't.

No, no, no, no.

But, um.

I'm going to think about it, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Inside the Discord in the gaming, there's a gaming channel. You can go and find out the details if you're.

Unless you're trying to be Alliance, then you can get out.

Yeah.

Alliance. Grow up.

And Mike's name is Bear Daddy. That's the, that's where the whole stuff, which Jay Griss approves of. If you didn't notice, if you haven't noticed yet, Jason is not just quiet on the side here if you're listening from home, but he is out. Oh, I got to, I got to speak out right now.

Uh-oh.

This is, this is.

You got a problem with your, uh.

An egregious situation. Mike, take a look at my mug.

Okay, I see. It's a, it's a good Fantasy Footballers mug.

Take a deeper look at what the Falcon came back to work today.

Oh.

The Falcon came back to work today, got me a drink, put it on the table.

I'm going to pull this out.

There is a gigantic bear hair inside of my mug.

Hold on. It's.

You don't even.

It's unwieldy.

You don't even, Mike, you're taking.

I'm trying to show people how long it actually is.

I mean, this is grotesque.

You can't see it on camera, but that's, I'm not lying. That's how long it is.

That ain't my hair.

Oops.

Disgusting.

Oops, he says.

Disgusting. I don't want, Matthew.

Get that away from me.

We need another beverage.

Give me another beverage, Falcon.

Also, give me some.

Hairless, please.

Hand sanitizer.

Justin.

He skips Monday and brings hairs in on Tuesday. Okay, I'm sorry.

All right. We got a game to talk about.

Unruly.

Speaking of Jay Griss.

34-17, Jay Griss was pleased. Oh. Why not? The Bears were 100% the better football team last year.

Yes, they were.

That was what was so spectacular. And let me tell you, I think we complimented the trade for Jeffrey Simmons, the two ones, earlier in the week because what are the odds you get a player like that for your two ones?

Because go for it. Go for it.

I'm so afraid to look in this new mug.

It's just full of farts.

It seems clear.

Can't see farts.

Um, but this was, this was just a, like, reframe what you think of the Bears defense from now on. That's my opinion of this situation. When you have Jeffrey Simmons and sweat bringing pressure every play, I think that this Bears defense is going to become something special. That's just my opinion. And that means that they're a contender for the Super Bowl because they're a very, very good offense. I don't know what the legal rules are and why Luther Burton's not allowed to catch passes in the second half of a game.

It's Rome is shut down for the first half.

And it's been Burton explosions.

And then the second half, they're like, oh, wait, who's that guy? Rome? Oh, let's just chuck it to him deep.

Yeah. So, I mean.

I just love, I love this Bears team. I really do.

Yeah, I do too.

It's so much fun. They are extremely fun. DeAndre Swift is just a fantasy superstar right now.

27 carries.

And I mean, you're, yes, the love 17 for 65 because of the.

Fumble.

The fumble.

It was a good game.

But it was still.

Nothing wrong.

It was all three of them.

Nine targets for him, nine for Burton. Adunze had the most yards.

I guess if you're a huge play by Kalief Raymond at the end of the game.

Caleb would have been the only disappointing play.

Which he played awesome.

Yeah. Yeah, because the three touchdowns to Swift.

On the other side, outside of JSN, who's automatic, hot wet disaster. I know you talked about like Sam Darnold's second half potential and.

I'm still in.

He's got a matchup this week, but you know, he looked to me a lot like Kyler Murray did this week, which was kind of one second, two seconds, skittish feet, getting afraid. The pressure was getting to him. Couldn't complete passes to anybody but JSN and mostly JSN in the first half. No running game to speak of.

I think that the, as it turns out, if you only have one real playmaker at the, even though he's the best, JSN, probably the best wide receiver in the NFL now.

Right.

If you don't have a running game that people have to actually be concerned about, AKA Ken Bone Walker.

I knew you're going to say that.

AKA whoops-a-doozles. They just, yeah, JSN is going to get his, but at the end of the day, that's not a functioning offense.

100% agree.

So Jadar and Price, this one's pretty funny. He's 10 for 29. That's pretty, that's pretty disgusting. Zach Charbonnier, six for 23. Now I know it's the game of, well, if they don't have this play, but I'm saying these weren't spectacular. So Price had a carry. His long was nine yards.

Yep.

So that means he was nine for 20.

Yep.

Charbonnier had a carry of 13 yards, which means he was five for 10.

For 10.

Ripping off two yards a carry.

It was, uh.

Not getting it done.

It was just impossible. And nobody stepped up in the receiving room. It was not, it was not good. They're four and four. I mean, the Seahawks don't look like the same team right now. And we'll see what happens, but impressive, huge road win for the Bears.

I mean, it's like both of the, so the Minnesota, you had the Minnesota and the Seattle defense, and they both happened to be matched up against very high-powered offenses. And this week, team offense won.

Yeah. So it was a, it was a fun one. And the people at home, they need to know, Al Borland did manage to pull off the incredible upset comeback victory.

He needed something like 42 points, and he had Swift and JSN, which were four of the touchdowns of the game.

Three rushing touchdowns certainly helps people win.

Crazy.

Mike, you want to talk some news?

Yeah.

Let's do it.

News and notes from around the league.

Further confirming the news, the rumors, the suspected situation, but Ian Rapoport said Lamar Jackson likely out for the season with the injury. Joe Fagano, Fagnano is dealing with some things physically. Well, that's going to be a problem because he's.

Yeah, there's a game on Thursday.

I mean.

And Lamar won't be playing. Tyler Huntley will not be playing. Perhaps their emergency quarterback from Sunday won't be playing.

Which means that they raised Keedon Slovis from the practice squad.

No, no, didn't they trade for him?

I thought he was a practice squad pull.

I thought.

Was Austin Reed a trade?

Which one was it?

This is the, this is where.

The Ravens signed him. Yeah, so he was on the.

Oh, he did trade for the Slovis from the Green Bay practice squad.

Yes. Who, fun fact, threw two passes for the Arizona Cardinals last year. Small sample.

Okay, go on.

He completed one of them.

Okay.

So that's the good news.

50% completion.

Yeah.

It's not the best.

For negative two yards.

So his career passing is negative two?

So he, per game, on per attempt basis, he averages negative passing yards.

Let me tell you how bad it is for Baltimore fans.

But don't worry, he gets to play what, the Jacksonville Jaguars on Thursday?

Whose line continues to rise. It's like nine and a half now. It's going to be a disaster.

Can you play Derek Henry?

Uh.

I mean, he's going to be the offense.

It sort of feels like the decision on starting Saquon this past week. It feels like, yes, is the answer because people started Rashad White, people started.

He's going to be 25 for 42.

Yeah. And Jacksonville is the number one team against the run.

Oh, man.

Number one. So you play, if Jacksonville played every man cover Derek Henry on every play, the Baltimore offense probably still couldn't complete passes. And this is going to be a humongous, I mean, say Flowers.

Yeah.

That's a question of who you can play.

Yeah.

He just got goosed. What's his ceiling in a game like this?

Yeah, you're probably, Henry's probably more playable than Flowers.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know what your options are, Mike. I know Flowers is on your team.

Stefon Diggs.

Oh gosh. You're probably going Diggs.

Probably. Well, I got to see who ends up starting. If it's Keedon Slovis, I will be playing Stefon Diggs.

Now there's rumors about Derek Henry being traded.

There's rumors about Lamar being traded.

Well, about the team rebuilding because if you're losing a season, Lamar's not under contract or he wants an extension, right?

Yeah.

So Lamar Jackson is going to be, by the time he plays football again, 30 and a half years old. Coming off of brutal injury after brutal injury.

Yeah, he has.

Slowed down seasons.

He has one more year on his contract.

And the problem with, with Lamar is it's like how much of the running, like maybe he'll run until he's 35. I don't know. It doesn't generally happen that way. It didn't happen that way for Cam Newton.

Yeah, different style, but you can't.

I mean, it's just harder.

Yes.

You're not 23, 24 anymore. So that whole team, like if Derek Henry gets traded, which I think if you're a Derek Henry manager, you would want because.

Probably.

I just don't know what the solution is. Like if they, if they're trying to make the playoffs, they should go trade for Jacobie Brisset.

Yeah, I can't believe they have to.

Or Tyson Bayegeant. It might happen today. These guys, this is breaking news alert week because the trade deadline's on the way. The Jonathan Taylor, you know, rumors are incessant. Mike, Mike is handling a piss or get off the pot situation.

Yes. It's, it's so frustrating. The, look, we all talk about football. This is how we make our living. We need audience. But it's like, come on. How this one singular story and every time it's like, dude, we got breaking news. You're like, oh, what's going on? We've narrowed it down to the exact same teams that we had it narrowed down to one week ago. But now it's a fresh story. Get out of here.

Yep.

Also, I do love the, all the Giants chatter of like, like the Giants are a running back away. No, you're not.

I mean, you're, you, I think they need to go in because they can easily win the division.

Yeah, they're.

But it's like, you're not a running back away. You're putting a lot of stock. I'm a JJ McCarthy guy.

Well, he.

He's played one game.

Yeah, it'd be one thing if you were running complete, like, like Cam Scatibu is a good running back.

Yeah.

So what's the gap between him and Derek Henry?

It's pretty, still pretty wide.

Yeah.

But is it enough to lose assets to go get Derek Henry?

Well, at least if you get Jonathan Taylor, he's your dude for a couple of years.

Yeah.

If you get Derek Henry.

He'll be expensive.

Yeah, he'll be very expensive. I think the, I think people are going to get, the bidding war is going to be crazy and the expectation is, is that Jonathan Taylor, two, three, four, five, they want, you know, something like that.

Or not traded.

Or not traded.

Just get it over with.

Just, just do it.

Just do it over.

Do it.

Do it.

Why, look, the best, do it on a Monday. Do it on Tuesday. Do it early in the week.

Yeah.

Do it, but when you can get ready for the game. Kyler Murray dealing with a wink, sore hamstring. So we'll see Carson Wentz this week, probably. We'll see.

I don't know.

Matthew Stafford has dealt with some soreness in his right arm. That's the throwing arm. Sean McVay talked about that. Daniel Jones is going to start for the Colts.

So our guy Matthew Bets put up a post or a tweet.

Post.

Stafford's average depth of target by week since week three, 10.1. Awesome. 9.2. Pretty good. 6.9, 5.3, 5.3, 3.8.

Is that Adams plus a restricted Nakuwa?

And maybe, and a sore arm. I don't know.

Oh, and a sore arm.

These are not the trends you want to see happening.

No. They're supposed to get Miles Garrett back.

Is he? Is he going to start for practice?

He's in practice this week.

Okay.

Daniel Jones is going to stay the starter for the Colts. And there you go.

Yeah, it makes sense. Unless you somehow could convince someone to trade for him.

Big Cardinals news. Gardner Minchu named the starter. Carson Beck named the backup and Jacobie Brisset named the last man.

Yeah.

On the depth chart.

The timing of that announcement with the, what's going on with the Ravens? I'm like, okay, you just demoted him to third. Just free. Just say, hey, here, pay for his airfare. Get him a couple meals.

Well, because the Cardinals paid him this year. So getting that off the books would be good.

You're just saying literally pay him, buy a ticket.

Yes.

Just, just, just, here you go.

Or seventh round pick.

Here you go.

Kendrick Born is out for the year for the Cardinals. Jeremiah Love's right ankle injury is a new portion of the ankle, according to Michael Flores. Bam Knights in concussion protocol. And then.

Who was the one who didn't have a low or high ankle sprain? Was it Love?

I don't remember who it was.

A mid?

It wasn't Lamar.

It was Lamar. Okay.

AJ Brown will be ready for week nine. The question was posed to Mike Vrabel, who said, we'll see how he progresses through the week, which sounds like I just wasted my breath saying that out loud. All right, we'll take a break and we'll get into the waiver wire. Formal policy change for the fantasy footballers. If the answer to a question is what is by default, what all teams are going to do, we cannot make it news.

Steelers and Titans going into the buy.

So it's not the strongest waiver wire this week.

Is that your disclaimer?

Yeah.

Like don't expect much. How about Tyler Algier?

Well, so we, after Monday's game, so it's like, yeah, Tyler Algier, he, he feels like kind of the number one pickup de facto because of injuries where like Jeremiah Love's going to be out. Bam Knights out with concussion. Does he progress and come back? It's a fair issue because until last week, Bam Knight had been out playing Tyler Algier with Jeremiah Love out. But like the way they, I moved Jaderian Price up. Like Jaderian Price is in the waiver wire.

Because of the utilization.

Yeah. He, he felt like he was the, the number one guy and Tyler Algier is going to play Seattle, the Rams, Kansas City. You should, I mean, like, would you rather have the volume rental of Tyler Algier or one of the, the other guys?

I, I have risen on my thoughts regarding Algier's utility.

Okay.

Even with the tough matchups because I think he's going to get all the work. I think that the Cardinals can move the football with Gardner Minchu. And I think what you talked about, like Jason said, anybody can get a touchdown. Like I think Algier getting all the goal line work, those opportunities.

I mean, DeAndre Swift had three touchdowns.

Yeah, exactly.

Monster, but not a lot of yards.

Right. But he was 27 carries for 69 yards and like Caleb Williams and the Bears offense is, is great.

But like Algier had five targets.

I just think that, I think it's serviceable.

It might not be as much as your league mates might try to chase. I mean, I, I think he's number one on the list. Is he number one for you?

Algier?

Yeah.

No, I've, I've moved Price up above him.

Price is two for me. Price will get work and opportunity. I do think there's a plan in place for Zach Charbonnet. I think that plan is a limited amount of snaps. Just like they didn't bring him back the week he was available. They waited another week. So I, I think Price will be the dude. I think Charbonnet will be in there.

I think it's going to be like Price's walker now.

Yeah.

Where it wasn't great last year, but it would like a low end running back too.

Yeah. More like I, I wouldn't imagine Price is above 25 rest of the season.

Yeah. I think that's fair.

Mike Washington Jr. had 25 carries.

This, and we, the, what was the latest quote from, uh, from Coops.

No, it was a, it was a, it was a ridiculous.

It was something about the, the, the running back room is going to be a moving target.

Yeah.

Something like that.

Yep. We can, we can pull that.

The team's backfield touch distribution will be a quote moving target.

Yeah. And that's not fun. But Mike Washington, the reason Mike Washington has a higher value than me.

Where was, uh, where was Genti? Five overall?

Yeah.

Hmm.

Not great.

Hmm.

No.

Maybe don't do that anymore.

Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe don't. Mike Washington.

Six. Oh, thank you, Connor.

Is, if Genti is banged up and hurt and that's why some of the carries have gone down and there's a potential.

And he's good.

Right. Yeah. Mike Washington is good. So to me, he, he's only 30% roster. It's kind of crazy. Emmett Johnson had the huge week. Like you, you enter the secondary category now of like.

Funny enough, Washington's matchups are also garbage coming up with San Road, San Francisco, home Seattle, road Denver.

No, if I, if I was looking for, let's, let's categorize it a little differently here. If I was looking for a player to like be able to spot start, to me, Devin Singletary.

Devin Singletary.

This week.

Yes. Absolutely.

Against Philadelphia. Scatibu has been working on the side. He's got the hamstring. They haven't traded for anybody. And then Kenny Gainwell with the new offensive philosophy of not passing. I know that won't be exactly the same, but it is going to be their mindset. Their mindset is going to be win in the trenches. They did it two previous weeks. Gainwell will get opportunities. Price is a spot start as well. And you could look like, are you ever going to approach Emmett Johnson as a committee spot start situation?

No. Not until you see.

More work.

A real amount of, I mean, because what was his actual opportunities?

He only had 90% of snaps.

Six. Here's his opportunities. Let's go. So week one was a bit of a surprise. He had 10 opportunities. Since then, 4, 6, 1, 6, 3, 6. Very talented player, but that's not, the only way that that can possibly work is you're like, oh, the Kansas City Chiefs have blown out the New York Jets. And in the fourth quarter, Kenneth Walker gets benched.

Yeah.

Rested, I should say.

Yeah. Seth McGowan, his roster percentage is up to 47%. The writing's on the wall. He could be the starting running back for the Indianapolis Colts.

He could, could be.

And to me, his numbers look pretty good compared to what Taylor's been doing in that offense. I think Seth McGowan is one of those players. I mean, Mike, you, you added Braylon Allen.

Yes.

Early in the season and it's paid off in a big way. He might end up being the starter.

The hilarious thing will be this will, this will finally be the week. So Jonathan Taylor will be traded out of his matchup against Dallas.

Oh, man.

And then condemned to.

The next two weeks, Dallas, Miami. Dallas, Miami.

You leave us with no work against the Jags.

That's probably what's going to happen.

It's so annoying. And then it's not like, like I said, it's tough in the streets here. I think Elijah Mitchell is interesting. While Saquon Barkley is, is hurt. Elijah Mitchell, 11 carries, six targets, really no production, but involved. I think he out, out snapped Barkley too.

You don't think Barkley's just going to get a little healthier and get a little more action? I'm worried about Mitchell getting phased.

It definitely could go that way.

But Price had a big game. I mean, Pierce, I mean, Damian Pierce had a big game for them with the absence of Saquon. Makes some sense.

Yeah, you had Elijah Mitchell with 39 snaps to 22 for Barkley. 19 routes for Mitchell, seven for Barkley. I just, I, I wonder if they like Barkley will have to be managed for a while.

Are you dropping Hampton, Dobbinson, Emmanuel Wilson, Trevo?

Oh my gosh.

There are some conversations going on now in Los Angeles about the team rethinking a three-man rotation.

Rotation. So I just go to Kamani Vidal, who is their better running back.

Probably. I mean, I probably wouldn't drop Hampton. I probably wouldn't drop Dobbins. I'd be happy to drop Wilson. I'd be happy to drop Trevo. It's very clear Emmanuel Wilson went from something to nothing instantaneously.

That one.

I mean, Halani was getting more third downs than he was.

Emmanuel Wilson was great for them.

I know. And they just said.

Peace. They're like, you know what? We got to get back to this thing that really works.

Yeah. Yeah. But I, Dobbins I wouldn't drop because Jonah Coleman's been hurt already.

Yeah.

The depth there.

Yeah. Harvey's on IR, so he will miss at least three more.

Yeah.

It's, yeah. That's tough because they're also in the Taylor sweepstakes.

And remember, the longer we get towards the end of the season, the more you need to make sure your running backs for the playoffs are insured.

Yes.

Not everybody has a clear insurance situation, but like Emmett Johnson, obviously for Kenneth Walker. Kenny Gainwell is, you know, the Bucky Irving insurance back. Chris Rodriguez is the Bayshaw-Tutton insurance back. And then I'm getting closer to thinking that Bucky is worth, like there was a point in the early part of the season where we hadn't seen enough of him, where he didn't seem like maybe a true backup.

He's got some juice.

He's okay.

Yeah.

Antonio Williams, let's talk wide receivers. He's at the top of our list.

He remains my number one pickup.

I'm with you. He's my number one pickup as well. And he's still only 36% roster. Got seven targets last week against Philly.

Jason refuses.

To get on board?

He refuses to get on board with Antonio Williams.

I don't understand why he would be on the Mackay Lemon train and not the Antonio Williams train.

I don't know.

I don't know. What does he think? Nothing. Just garbage again. No, I liked what I saw. And he's out there. And what are you going to bet on Jalen Burks as being a superstar? I don't mind Burks.

I think Burks is a fine pickup.

I don't mind Burks at all. I'm just saying we've seen a lot of Burks. We have not seen a lot of Williams. And there's going to be brighter days ahead than the Philadelphia matchup.

Yep.

So Williams is still at the top, but you have some players you can play. Ryan Flanoy continues to find his way into the end zone and get snaps and routes for Dallas. Caleb Douglas, like he was a big pickup last week. I didn't have any problem with what happened this week. They missed on a couple big plays. He's got a Detroit matchup. Six targets, four for 43. You're not going to have it every single week with Malik Willis, but this week could be a good one.

Yep. And real quick for, so Washington, Antonio Williams did lead the team in routes and targets.

Yeah. I mean, that's a good sign.

And like I, I personally like that they move him to both. So he, he's playing not 50-50, but close.

Inside outside?

Yeah. Like that's, that's beautiful. We want our guys to get schemed on, move them into the slot every once in a while. Scheme up a touch.

Yep.

And just see what they can do.

Scheme that touch.

That's what you got to do.

Malik Washington continues to just be a ho-hum situation.

He's the waiver wire rental.

Yeah. And then Adonai Mitchell, Traylon Burks, not rostered. Adonai Mitchell chasing that feels precarious, but you have to remember Mitchell had a really good week one, got hurt. Obviously, Geno Smith likes throwing him the football when he's been out there and been healthy. So Kansas City this week though, don't love that. Burks, Burks is going to get opportunities down the field and in the red zone.

Yeah. If you're talking this particular week, because Washington, so Antonio Williams and Traylon Burks, they get the Rams. Keenan Allen down here gets Dallas, and he's just, just absolutely still getting them targets. Seven targets, seven for 67 as he chases greatness.

I mean, in full PPR, Kalush Shakir has been super involved as well. In full PPR, 13-11, 13-11. That's what he's done the last four weeks. So, you know, I've said in half PPR, if you want nine points, this is your dude.

So Keenan is seven receptions from surpassing Tim Brown to be number five in the total receptions.

Josh Downs could get traded today or this week.

Sure. Yeah. You know, I'm moving Keenan up.

You're doing that right now?

Yeah.

Moving him up.

Moving him up the ranks.

Would you have him or Malik?

Uh.

I guess it sounds like Keenan.

Yeah, it's Keenan.

Gross. Gross, gross. You want to talk some tight ends? Because we can't.

This will be brief.

Yeah. I mean, that's it. That was a whole segment. I mean, I don't even like, I don't like any of the options right now. The only one that I think is a sneaky guaranteed target upside tight end that you can pick up and play genuinely is Eli Raradon, rookie tight end for the New England Patriors because of Hunter Henry's injury.

Yep.

So Raradon has shown some stuff. He was the tight end five two weeks ago. He's had a couple of weeks that were impressive. Third round pick, if you have never heard of him.

Did we mention Ryan Flanoy, the wide receiver from?

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah. He's near the top because he's just heavily involved.

He's getting it done, and I don't think George Pickens will be traded.

I was just going to ask you.

I really don't.

I was asking if that was a possibility.

It, it, it's a possibility in terms of.

They're not going to give up on the season though.

It makes sense. But Jerry Jones is not a guy to give up.

No.

Jerry Jones, there was a quote circulating this morning about George of him sounding upset, saying like, we need to get George Pickens more targets. Like the boss man is saying, let's make this happen. But it's just analyzing the situation of he's on the franchise contract. If you want him next year, you're going to have to give him a ton of cash, take up a large amount of your cap space. It was already going to be a difficult thing to handle for your team.

And still endure complaints every time he's not involved.

But it's, it's a, you have to navigate everything. But then Ryan Flanoy is playing just as much, if not more on occasion than George Pickens, and he's showing that he's capable. So do you just take, like George Pickens could, should be able to get you a bounty.

Something.

Like Kansas City, my God, go get George Pickens.

That would be.

Like Josh Downs is not, he's helping. Josh Downs isn't, isn't reshaping your wide receiver room. But with Kansas City having to make their decision very soon on Rasheed Rice, and you could have a game changer like George Pickens who can actually stretch the field, it makes total sense. I really, I don't think that's going to happen.

And if it works, it works well for you and you can think about the contract and if it doesn't work, bye-bye.

Yeah.

Yeah. I don't think Dallas will.

I don't think it will, but when you're in this game of fantasy football, you got to like, good, you know what, week two, imagining the Jets trading Brees Hall. Like that wasn't on my radar at all. And all of that, but then he gets hurt. Braylon Allen plays awesome for over a month and you're like, well, maybe to improve the team, Brees Hall is expendable.

Yeah. I, we didn't talk about that in the news, but the Brees Hall conversations right now seem, seem like they're dismissing trade talks.

The coach is, as he should be.

Yeah. The coach is. I, I realized this is a very sad waiver week is what it feels like.

I, this is why I tried to get in front of it.

You did.

I was like, it's not, it's not very strong.

I mean, you have Mike Gasicki who somehow has four weeks inside the top 12, which is a spot start miracle touchdown guy with the longest arms. I just saw your John McClain shirt, by the way. Delightful. Christmas season is here. That's what that means.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Holiday classic.

Golly, golly. I agree. It is for me. There's no movie I'd rather watch. Maybe Home Alone.

Yeah.

A little Home Alone.

Home Alone was just my shirt.

Was it?

Yeah.

I try not to look at you.

I understand.

Terrence Ferguson.

Like looking at the sun.

Sure. Burns my eyes. Terrence Ferguson.

Yes. Terrence Ferguson shirts.

And nice addition just in case they need somebody there.

Last I saw, they, I thought I saw a quote, Kyle, see if you can find it, that they thought Ferguson was going to start practicing. Hope I'm not making that up.

He can get. 5.4 yards away from the line of scrimmage for a Stafford target.

There it is. McVeigh.

Good chance to practice.

Terrence Ferguson has a good chance to practice this week. Ferguson should be picked up.

I don't think I brought up any drop candidates for wide receiver. I don't, I don't know if you have any guys that are concerning you right now. Like Tyler Warren is not in that category. People may need to monitor or worry about expectations.

I am concerned about Warren, but I'm not going to drop him.

I don't know if Brooks, you had any wide receivers that were brought up. Defensive options this week. I mean, they're roster, but Jacksonville gets to play Baltimore. So please.

Take a quick peek.

But Houston, do you think Houston comes off the bye against the Giants and we see more of their?

The Chargers. Oh, you're saying they played the Giants. Yes.

Yeah. They played the Giants and then they went into the bye. And then do you think they come out against the Chargers and bring a little bit more of what we saw last year? There's such a.

Well, I know that poor performing defense right now. That Justin Herbert is at least one free turnover a week.

It seems that way. And then they play Cleveland Indies. So Houston's a good pickup for the short term. Detroit plays Miami this week. That one is, you know, Detroit's not an amazing defense, but not a bad matchup situation.

They shut down the, the powerhouse that is the Minnesota Vikings.

Yeah. Giants play Philly and Tanner McKee.

Yeah. I think that's a, that's a good spot start there.

You know, Jason's not here today, but he's here in a certain way.

Yeah.

He's here in a way.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. He's, he's in the slack.

You got, you got to pull it together.

We got to get out of here, Jason. He's trying to ruin the show.

He's trying to ruin the show. We've got to talk quarterbacks.

Full stream ahead.

One of the drop candidates I have is, in fact, Jason. I think Matt is at the top of my list, the Falcon on my drop candidates, and then Jason is next. My streaming quarterback of the week, Mike, Malik Willis. Malik Willis again.

That was going to be my stream.

Was it? Yeah. Detroit. He's been a lot better since the bye week, 202 in both games, completing 66% of his passes. Lions are dead last against quarterbacks. I mean, even Kyler Murray in his horrible game was QB8 last week. So Malik is my streamer.

Yeah. And he's, I mean, the last two weeks have been better. 200 yards and two touchdowns, two passing touchdowns, each of those weeks, completing the high 60% percentile of his passes. I think it's, it's a, I think it's a good stream if you are in a situation. Jason's calling a shot on Carson Wentz, just assuming that Kyler Murray will not be playing.

Yeah. The fact that Jason's not here wants us to mention that he is associated with Carson Wentz.

Yeah. Well, Jason has very, has been very vocal of his support for Carson Wentz. And I'm going to, it stinks, but this, this is streaming. This is what it's about. Sometimes it's disgusting.

Bro, you removed Jason from our Slack channel.

Yeah.

And I was going, like, I went to remove him. And when I saw who was in our channel, there was no Jason to remove. And then I come back and you'd already removed him.

Yeah.

Thank goodness.

Got to get the saboteur out of here.

I know.

All right. It's Sam Darnold.

Arizona.

It's Arizona. I, Dallas, they're their own thing right now, man. They're, they just, their offense is, looks very broken. But the Cardinals, they're still 30th.

Why'd you say Dallas? Oh.

Because Dallas didn't really get it done.

Well, it's ironic because it's a little push comes to shove here. The Seahawks offense doesn't look good either.

No.

But it's at home.

They will, they will look better against the Arizona Cardinals.

But just what if?

Okay.

What if?

All right. Yeah.

What if? I know it won't happen, but I want the world to know that if the Cardinals beat the Seahawks this week, nine weeks into the year, they will have the same record. I just want people to understand. I want my Seahawks friends to bask in their championship and enjoy it. If that were to happen, which it shouldn't happen because Gardner Minshew should not beat you in your home stadium. But if, if it happens, they'll both be four and five, which is just.

Yep.

What is the line there? Like 600 points?

The Rams.

Oh, 10 and a half.

The Rams and Seattle have four wins a piece. The Cardinals are at three.

Man.

Ridiculous.

So Kyle's letting me know an underdog of seven plus points has won outright in each of the first eight weeks of the league this year.

Wasn't that the Cardinals last week?

Yeah. And that was the first time it's happened since 1971 for it to be every week. Cardinals 10 and a half point underdogs in Seattle, and they should get smashed.

Bookmakers.

And Sam Darnold should be just fine.

Yes.

I got real scared last night though, because somebody, somebody wrote me and they were like, who's more guaranteed for 15 points? Like no matter what last night, Caleb or Darnold. And I, what do you think I answered?

Man.

Because they wanted to just guarantee 15 to win.

I guarantee for 15. I not, not fully like thinking of the Simmons impact. I would have gone with Darnold.

That's what I did.

For just a, you're like a baseline of 15.

Yeah. Baseline of 15. Because I thought the worst case scenario of last night was Seattle shuts down the, the, they look so good on defense the week before. Caleb has some kind of disaster game. And then I'm getting like, we're like halfway through the scam. I'm going before that Jason touchdown for Darnold.

Right.

And I don't know, where did Darnold finish?

He probably, he had.

He probably was barely over that.

He had.

Oh no, he had two touchdowns.

Two touchdowns.

Yeah, because he had Cooper Cup.

He had one pick.

17 and a half.

Did he outscore Caleb?

You know what? He might have.

I bet it was very close.

Yeah. That was, I got nervous. Caleb was at 14.

That one it. 14, you lose. 17 and a half, you win. Woo.

Every once in a while. All right. Into the mailbag we go.

Mailbag.

Jason's spamming other channels now. Into the mailbag we go. If you got a question, go to the website dfantasyfootballers.com. We are here to help. Dial the voicemail hotline through 02-464-TFFB.

We're not, we won't help you dial it.

No, we will not help you. Do people know how to dial a phone anymore?

I don't know. It just sounded like you said, we're here to help you dial.

We're here to help. Yes. We will send someone over and bring a rotary phone. Mac and Guam. Oh.

Bonjour.

Yeah. Oh, Bonjour ballers, he says. Would you rather have, who would you rather have rest of the season in a PPR league? Parker Washington or Luther Burton? I will say this. Yesterday I got some feedback in the comments.

About Parker?

Well, it was the Parker Jameson and you guys were very quick to say Parker. And there were some thoughts like, maybe that was like too quick to like dismiss. Oh, it was Pickens. Sorry. It was Pickens and Parker Washington. And some people were like, yeah, it's too quick to say Parker versus Pickens with how Parker's been playing. But this one's a rest of the season. Parker or Luther Burton? This person is the Caleb Williams and the Tutin manager. I mean, that swings it for me. I don't think they're going to be that far off.

Yeah. Very correct.

I was way off of that. I'm like 18 to 20. I think Burton's 18 to 20. And then you don't have, you get the stack and you don't have to mess around with, you know, Tutin and Parker can't score on the same play. I love a Lawrence and Parker stack.

Right.

But I don't necessarily love, I mean, that's an offense I'm okay with it. Parker and Tutin, just like I am with Gibbs and Amon-Ra and stuff like that. But I mean, where, where do you side on that one? I lean Burton for this specific context.

Because of the context, it does help to have the stack and avoid the competition, the same team. Parker, thank you, Matthew. Parker is past his bye, so you have an extra game. Should you go that direction? The, I just don't fully understand. I mean, look, it's Ben Johnson. He's winning. The Bears look incredible. But how is Luther Burton running 25 routes?

Well, and the biggest play of the game last night, in my opinion, was, was Kalif Ramon.

The, the rush?

Yeah. The 39-yard rush on, you know, to close the game out. Anthony on X writing in, I just got a trade proposal, Kyron Williams for Justin Jefferson. So getting offered Kyron, trading away Justin Jefferson. You know, I, I believe Jefferson's rest of season will not be as bad as it's been.

I believe it will continue to be terrible.

So would you do the move? Because I mean, Kyron's.

So how does Jefferson improve?

Carson wins.

Okay. I mean, he would, he would be better. I do believe he will be better if Carson wins takes over, but I don't.

I don't think that this is like a slam dunk. I mean, if you want the Kyron side, it's fine. Do you need a wide receiver? You need a running back. Running back's normally more scarce. I'm fine with it.

But it's like if, even, even if I'm like, I really need a wide receiver, I feel like I could trade for Kyron and then I could trade Kyron for a better wide receiver than Justin Jefferson.

I don't know. I don't know if the Kyron, he, he belongs in the upper echelon tiers, but I think there's more, it's more suspect with the quorum emergence. Don't you think? Like, I mean, what do you, what's a better wide receiver? You think you can trade Kyron for Olave?

Maybe.

Because that would, if you could do Justin Jefferson to Kyron to Olave.

Kyron is the running back six. Kyron has finished no worse than running back 24.

He can't, he cannot stop scoring. He loves it. He loves scoring.

It's just, it is the recipe for the Rams.

Yeah.

And I, I do, I agree that if Carson wins comes in, it's better.

Well, let me ask you this.

But I don't know that they're actually going to make that move.

Let me ask you this, Mike.

All right.

A follow-up question with Kyron Williams. Your exact situation.

Oh.

If Gabe wrote in and it's going to, Mike, you have Jonathan Taylor.

Right. Got it.

Would you trade Kyron for Jonathan Taylor or vice versa? In your situation, you don't know where Jonathan, you have to make this call today.

Right.

Someone sends it through your inbox today and you've got to decide to ship Jonathan Taylor out and you get Kyron Williams for us this season. You remove all variables of which teams Taylor does or doesn't go to or stays home. Like I imagine you'd do that trade for Kyron if you knew Jonathan Taylor was staying in Indy.

Yeah. I would.

So then.

And go through the.

They have the same points per game right now.

Thinking about the teams.

Yeah. Where are you?

Because you have to, you have to use rational coaching. If a team is going to pay the price to trade for Jonathan Taylor, which it will be.

2, 3, 4.

It'll probably be something like that. Like a 2, 3, 4 where it's, I mean, that's a huge amount of your, of next year's draft or split into two years, however they figure out how to do it. So yeah, you would have to use that player a ton. But it's like if he goes to Seattle, would they actually do it?

That's the one place I'm the most afraid of them doing it.

If he goes to Green Bay, can Jonathan Taylor actually, he'll score a bunch of touchdowns.

Yeah. He'll be good. He'll be good.

But it won't be.

It won't be these explosive like yardage games.

It'll be better than the Colts.

Yeah. Colts are at the bottom, right?

Yeah.

Then it's probably like the committee situation I'm most worried about is.

The Seattle one.

Is Seattle.

Yeah.

And then the Denver, New York Giants, I think the Giants would just give them everything.

Right.

And I think that Denver would probably give them everything.

Denver freaks me out because they 100% should. And if they trade those players.

But third downs could be Harvey Coleman.

They just do stupid crap.

They would do Harvey Coleman third downs. You would not get third down Jonathan Taylor.

Which is nonsense.

Did you see Peyton come out on the field and like when he was dapping up Tray McBride and he's like.

Tray McBride.

Was it, was it Tray McBride?

Huh?

Yeah. Sean Peyton.

When? What, what week?

A couple weeks ago.

Oh, okay. I thought, I was like, they didn't play the Cardinals last week.

The Cardinals played Denver.

Okay.

And Denver smoked them two weeks ago. I was just saying Peyton went out on the field. It was just funny because he's like, he's like, man, I've seen a lot of Joker tight ends and you're one of them. You know, he brought up the Joker thing again.

Shut up about the Joker, man.

Yeah, yeah.

The Joker is a figment of his imagination.

I've certainly seen.

It's just dragon.

I've had some good Joker tight ends and you're certainly one of them.

You had Jimmy Graham and he's, and he's spent every day believing he's going to get another one.

He should have said, I'm, I'm not on your, I'm not on your team. You're certainly one of them.

Yeah. I mean, what is the, what, what is the last actually good tight end that we have gotten from a Sean Peyton?

Man, I've seen a lot of.

Kyle, this is a research question.

I've seen a lot of volcano wide receivers and you're one of them.

Because we.

What do you, do you make up stuff?

After Jimmy Graham was gone, then it was Kobe Flanner was next.

Joker. Evan Ingram, Joker.

It's like wind, wind. Also, when's the last time Peyton had like a high-powered offense that didn't have a Hall of Fame quarterback throwing the ball? Hall of Fame quarterbacks make coaches look real good.

They are, it was Ken Wisenhunt got Kurt Warner.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. They're, they're really, Adam Gay's career was made out of Peyton Manning.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. Nobody knows who's responsible for good, for this good stuff. I mean, how, the truth of the matter is, is if you have an offense with a Hall of Fame quarterback and they're awesome, you're going to get all the credit. It's just the way it works.

So, so Johnny Taylor for Kyron.

Yeah, yeah. What do you, what do you think?

I, I.

Who's got Kyron? Nobody in this room, right? We can't like put this on the.

Jeremy doesn't have Kyron?

I know. It's surprising. No, I think it's.

Not in the league of record.

I think it's Goldie.

Oh, Jared, Jared Cook.

I bet you don't do it. If it was on the table. I bet you don't because I bet you think to yourself, gosh, who wins me a championship?

Gosh.

It's the super situation.

Man. Because I, my, my belief is, is on the side that Taylor doesn't get traded.

Okay.

Like I think, you know, it's so hard to be.

Let's find out the league of record.

But I'm just saying like where, where I believe things are right now, I don't know that I lean he doesn't get traded. It's the easier thing for the Colts. It's not the better thing, but it's easier.

And it's an identity in the future.

Yeah.

Yeah. I, I don't know.

So they could be terrible again next year.

Correct. But with a guy that they recognize.

But also then two years from now, they will still be terrible.

Right. Right. Yeah. To be fair, they've been terrible for a bunch of years now. Yeah. Man, from eight and one to this. Last year eight and one, Achilles.

Because when, when Daniel Jones runs hot, he runs really hot.

He looks like the guy that was drafted in the top 10.

Yeah. But he's only done that, I think, twice.

Run hot?

Yeah. He, he runs hot just in time to get more money.

Remember him making that like 70-yard run and then falling down?

Yeah.

That was cool.

The ultimate turf monster.

That was, that was the ultimate. All right. We're going to say goodbye for today. We got a mid-season review show tomorrow, which is always fun. Some Thursday night preview because football never stops. Good luck on your waiver wire and make sure you get all of those bids in.

Get at Tony Williams, everybody.

Get that one dude that's out there. And we will be back for tomorrow's show. Jay Grizzle will be with us. There will not be hair in my drink, I hope.

You can't guarantee that.

And we'll catch you then.

Goodbye.