Transcript of Trinity Rodman: The Truth about My Family

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What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with call her daddy. Trinity Rodman, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Hey. Thanks for having me. Oh my gosh. So happy to be here.

No. Trinity, you just walked in here and you go what did you just say? You're like, I only talk about soccer.

Yeah. This is new to her. Right?

You don't

want me to just talk about kicking a ball off the field? What?

I wanna talk about corner kicks this entire fucking time.

Because I don't take them, so I'm gonna just see what happens. My first corner kick was in the championship 4 years into my pro. Stop. I literally walk up to the corner, and I was like, what what are we doing? Championship, we're losing.

There's, like, a cup couple minutes left. I'm standing there, like everyone's looking like

No. Stop. Yeah. I love how I say that, and you're like, okay. I actually will.

Have a story.

No. Stop. You're like, I have a story. Like, can this take up an hour? You're gonna be fine today.

Okay? I've got you. First of all, I do just have to say I'm so fucking happy that I'm meeting you because I had a show on Peacock during the Olympics, and I was you're not you saw okay.

Saw you going crazy.

Bitch, I cried when you won. Okay? So I was I got there, and they were like, oh, we're gonna have you cover all the sports. And I was like, please let me just cover soccer Yeah.

Just cover it.

With a little bit of gymnastics because I know soccer.

Yeah.

And they were, like, maybe maybe. And then they saw me talk about soccer and they're, like, okay, Jesus Christ. You're too fucking soccer. You have

to stay.

You have to stay. And when you guys won gold, I cried. Same. It okay. Great.

Oh, fuck. Obviously. Can you we're gonna start with some easy ones. Okay. How did you celebrate winning gold?

Oh my gosh. I cried. I, like, collapsed and cried. I don't know. I feel like there's, like, no true celebration afterwards because, hey, you got to go back to your season in NWSL.

So we celebrated, like, the night of, partied with our coaches and our staff and everything. That was fun and I didn't take the medal off. Even the flight home, like, it wasn't it was glued to my neck.

When did you first take it off?

Probably when I went to sleep when I got home because I was like, hey. That's a lot. But even through security, I was, like, trying to wear it, and they were like, no. I was like, oh,

fuck it.

I'm, like, staring at it through the thing.

Wait. Wait. Where did you put it when you went to bed?

I have this little case that I got when we won in 2021 for my ring, but it's, like, big. And so I just put it in there. Hopefully, it's still there. I haven't checked on it in a minute.

Wait. What?

I should probably check to see if she's okay.

Casual, just gold medal sitting somewhere random. What is your pregame ritual? Do you have any superstitions?

I feel like I have so many little superstitions. So gum is 1. I can't live without gum Really? For soccer. So, like, I'll go through probably 3 or 4 pieces of gum a game.

And if I am going on the field and I don't have gum in my mouth, like, I'll throw a tan tantrum. Like, I'm a diva. Like, I need gum. That's the 1 thing. Screw water.

I need gum.

We what kind of gum?

Anything peppermint. Spearmint, I it can die. No. Yeah. What else?

I have to sit in the same spot on the bus on the way to the game every single time. I have to stand in the same spot for warm up behind my girl, Tara. There's so many things. I have to have at home games, I have to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in the locker room. Mhmm.

Red Bull's essential Yep. For energy and psychotic behavior in the locker room. So many things.

No. The locker room before games, like, is feral. Like and there are some people that are so chill and quiet, and then there are the people that are rowdy. Are you rowdy?

Do you wanna answer that? No. Yeah. I'm the person that the chill ones hate because we have the people in our locker room that have their headphones on. They're stretching.

They're down. They're not talking to anybody, and I'm bouncing like a crazy person around the locker room. I'm, like, trying to take their headphones off. I'm like, come on. Come on.

So, yeah, I'm the annoying person, and I just can't help it. I can't be chill for a game because, like I said earlier, it just psyches me out more, and I get nervous. And I'm like, if I'm just on 10 the entire time, you can't be scared.

No. I was the same way. Like, I would be the person just, like, talking, and I wouldn't shut the fuck up. And everyone would be like, Cooper, go sit in your fucking locker room. And I'm like, I don't wanna sit in my locker.

And what? Like, think about what's about to happen? I'd rather not.

Manifest? Absolutely.

No. Never. So I pretend I'm, like, about to, like, go out for a fun night. Like, I'm not thinking straight. Because then the people that are meditating, you're like, my god.

You have, like, a really strong brain, and I don't wanna be a part of

that energy. Couldn't relate. Like, what are we meditating about? What are we thinking? What's on the brain?

Because there's nothing. Obviously, especially during the Olympics, like, the entire world was talking about you. Everyone knows your name. And I think aside from your talent, I think a lot of people in media, press, on social media, a lot of people wanted to hear you talk about and wanted to ask you about your dad. For those of the daddy gang that don't know in my audience, your father What's

your dad? Yeah. Daddy gang, let me know.

What? Cut it. Cut that. Cut that. What's a dad?

Yeah. Let's just keep it right off. You're like, what is a father? Let me know. Your dad is Dennis Rodman.

He's 1 of the most famous basketball players of all time. He played alongside Michael Jordan. He had a very controversial career. He was known for crazy partying, hooking up with women, getting in trouble on and off the court, and you have never really talked about what was going on in your family behind the scenes. And today, we're gonna get into it.

What made you feel ready?

Oh, gosh. I think well, just a warning. I laugh a lot when I'm trying to, like, talk about something serious. Okay. So I think with the dad situation, in terms of, like, what I've filtered and what I've talked about, I feel like me and my brother have been very generous with the way that we've talked about it and very unselfish.

I think we never wanna make him look bad, and that is at the cost of kind of holding in a lot and a lot of issues that we've gone through and just, like, trauma per se. Yeah. So I don't know. I just feel like I've been in a place of going through interviews where people are like, oh, was your dad there? Like, what's your dad feeling?

And I feel like I've tried to make it obvious that I don't know. I don't know how he's feeling. I don't know where he is. Like so for my own sanity, getting those questions, it frustrates me. Because I'm like, I don't wanna blame the interviewers of, like, okay.

You don't deep dive into my life, but at the same time, I've made it clear that he's not present. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess this is my opportunity to kinda talk more. I don't wanna say negatively, but more realistic about it.

Yeah. But I can imagine, like, I feel like I've sat down with so many people, and it's, like, it's tough when you're trying to protect someone that, yes, whether you love or you don't or whatever your dynamic is, like, it's your dad. And there everyone has a very specific idea of your father, but none of us are his children. Right? Like, we have an idea of what we saw on a Netflix special and what we watched back in the day if you're watching his games.

But you have a lived, breathe experience of this man as your father that people are looking, I think, in a glamorized way for you to talk like, what's it like Dennis Rodman's your dad? This is so cool. And you're literally like, next question. So I think it's fair for you to talk about your life in a realistic way because you are also a public figure, and you are famous in your own right now. And so you're allowed to speak about your experience.

Let's go back to the beginning.

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We're gonna go back to the beginning. Where did you grow up and what was your hometown like?

Okay. Well, I grew up in Newport Beach, which as everyone kinda knows, it's a very wealthy area. And I loved growing up in Newport. It was amazing, beautiful place. But growing up in a wealthy place when you don't have money is a different struggle.

And I think that was really difficult for me, my mom, and my brother just because we were going to the schools where everyone had money and it was like we're going to school. Like in high school, I was sharing a room with my mom, which is like crazy. So it's like just the little things of being a normal high schooler or middle schooler where you're like, you want to invite friends over. And it's like not that I'm embarrassed of the way that I grew up, but at the time, it was like, I don't want to invite friends over. I don't want them to know I sleep with my mom.

Like, just, like, little stuff like that. So growing up in Newport was good, but hard because, like, keeping up with the Joneses, I feel like that was kind of a struggle of, like, people knew that we didn't have money, but it was more so like, how do we look not completely broke during that time? So, yeah, with, like, soccer and everything, we got help a lot from 1 of my club coaches, Greg Baker. He kind of set me up and helped me. Thank God I was talented or else I don't know where I would be, but he helped me and he, gave me those opportunities that I wouldn't have had because I couldn't pay for certain things.

So a lot of things we worked for, but also in a way we're handed just because we were talented. So that did help. But yeah. Especially with sports, it was very difficult to, like, travel and go to hotels and do these away trips when we didn't have the money to stay at these, like, Marriott's. Like we were at like Holiday Inn.

Like that's what we could afford. So it was just hard because I would then find teammates. Is it okay if, like, I come? And then my mom couldn't come sometimes. And it was just interesting.

Like, we were trying like, we did the best at being humble and being grateful for everything, but at the same time, it was really hard. Yeah. Even just, like, after school, like, at a cookie truck, I'd be like, mom, can I have a dollar for this cookie? Like, a 1 time. And I know that sounds horrible, but that has made me, I feel, like, more humble now

Yeah. Experiencing that, being in a wealthy area and not having it. We made it through, and we're great people and, like, it worked out. So Going back though, like, okay. You talking about growing up in Newport, and I agree.

I feel like people that aren't obviously from California, but I feel like you hear about it or even you, like, watch the show, The OC in Orange County in Newport. Like, there's such extreme wealth. How do you think you growing up and not having money impacted you, like, as a kid in your personality? Like, were you shy? Were you reserved?

Were you loud? Like, what what kind of kid were you?

Yeah. I think naturally, I've always been a more outgoing person, especially when you get to know me, but I definitely think not having money to do certain things changed the way that I was with people because I wasn't as confident. And I also couldn't go to things that people were going to. It was like, oh, do you want to go even just going to, like, fast food and chilling in the parking lot. I was like, oh, I don't have money to go to In N Out right now or to go to Krispy Kreme.

Like, I and it was embarrassing to be like, hey, I don't have money. So I think yeah. Through even now, like, I have a really close friend from middle school that I'm still friends with. And that's, like, probably my 1 friend from middle school and then my friend from high school. So that's, like, my 2 friends and those are the only people I hung out with.

And even through high school, I went to a private school for 1 year. I was, like, eating lunch in the bathroom sometimes because me and my brother didn't have the same lunch and he was, like, my person. So like growing up, I would have all his same teachers. Like I was a year after him. So I would just fall in his footsteps every single time, which was annoying because he was really good in school and I was horrible.

So it

was like, they love DJ and like hated me. But yeah, it was, we didn't have the same lunch. So I was like, didn't have friends to sit with. So I like, lunch would happen. I didn't have money to pay for it at school.

So then it was, like, the bell rings and it's like, fuck. What do I do? Where do I go? Like, do I go to a teacher's room? Do I just, like, stay in the cafeteria and act like I'm just, like, talking to people that I'm not even friends with?

Like, it was so bizarre.

But do you think you weren't making friends because you were just trying to, like, hide? Like, it's not or were people literally not liking you because they knew of your socioeconomic status?

Both. Because I feel like it went both way. It was weird. Because for my brother, I feel like in the earlier years, it was harder for him to have friends, but as it went on, it was so easy. Like, when we went to high school together, he had so many friends and, like, that's who I was going to.

And then for me, it was completely different. So it's just weird and we know, like, girls are very catty Yes. And, like, clicky and I felt like I had come late. Like, everyone had started freshman year. I got their sophomore year.

So I had some soccer friends, but the vibes were just different. Like, we were friends for soccer, but then in school, it was like, okay. Not the same thing.

Yeah.

So I don't know if it was just, like, people already had their clicks and I was just, like, too shy to be, like, desperate and, like, try to push my way into certain groups. And I'm just not that person. Like, if I'm feeling you're not feeling me, then, I'd rather sit in the bathroom. In a piece. Yeah.

So I think it's a mixture, which was unfortunate. But now looking back, it's, like, funny because all those people are texting me now and it's like, of course. Interesting.

Uh-huh. Go fuck yourselves. Yeah. How old were you when your parents got divorced?

Oh, gosh. Google Hope?

I think I think they were, like, 2.

I feel like I was dealing with it even when I was, like, old enough to remember it, but I don't know.

It dragged on

from anybody. Than me.

Do you remember, like, how did you see that affect your mom of, like, this divorce dragging on for so many years?

I mean, obviously, I cannot speak for her experiences because she I feel like she didn't even really have time to think about it just because she had to deal with me and my brother and my sister. Alright, girl. Anyway, I think my mom was dealing with a lot of shit from my dad for so long and divorce was just, like, a name. That that that ship had sailed for the longest time, and she knew that. We knew that.

And it really was like before the divorce happened, my dad was actually helping money wise, so that was the difference of, like, he would actually give money to my mom and let us kinda live life a little bit. But then as when the divorce happened, it was just like, fuck you guys. Like, we're not getting enough money to we're getting enough money to pay rent. Barely. And then we were just I don't even know how we made it work, but somehow we were making it happen.

And it was just crazy.

When you say that your mom would you kinda knew that, like, that ship had sailed, like, your mom had been dealing with so much. Like, how did your mom talk about your dad and his absence to you and your siblings?

My mom was really good at making every situation seem smoother than it actually was, and I think that's what parents do to protect their children. But, yeah, I think even being young, it was like he partied all the time. He has this beach house in Newport or Huntington or whatever wherever and it was like, we tried to live with him, but he's having parties 20 fourseven. He's bringing random bitches in like my mom didn't want. She was strong enough to deal with it because, even to this day, I still believe that my dad hasn't loved anyone after my mom.

Like, I genuinely believe that. I think he doesn't know how to. I think they both felt the same way about each other but it just his demons were just too strong for it. But, yeah, I think my mom just saw the situation of we love each other. It's not gonna work.

And for my kids, I can't have them seeing you treat me this way, embarrass me this way, and have the party seen all the time. You have little babies.

Yeah. So yeah. Do you have any recollection of, like, watching them fight in front of each like, in front of you?

I don't really remember so much younger, and I feel like me and my brother were very oblivious to it. But then once we got older, when he was in our lives less and we were seeing him once, 2, 3, 4 times a year, every time they were together, it was like it was the same shit. It was my mom being valid and what the fuck are you doing? Like, help us and help your children. And he was just like, oh, you just used me for my money, ma, ma, ma.

And even then, it was like, that was all the fight was ever about in front of us, at least. It was just the money part and helping your children. And even then, it was my dad. He likes to be in control. So, like, he would take up shopping, get us phones, do this, do that.

Oh, I'm gonna take you and your brother shopping. Me and my brother are like, we don't wanna go shopping. We don't wanna go shopping. Right. We just want money to go get In N Out after school with our friends.

So it was like he wouldn't give us money to do that. He needed to have the control of bringing us shopping and swiping his own card. But if we ask, hey. Could we have a 100 to, like, go get food? Go go to Claire's.

Get my ears pierced. Like, just little stuff like that. He was like, no. You're using me. You're trying, like, all this stuff.

I think that's what's probably so confusing even hearing you talk about this. Like, I think a lot of people would assume because you're Dennis Rodman's daughter, money wasn't an issue for you growing up, but that obviously wasn't the case. Yeah. Do you know why after the divorce, like, he would not pay child support?

I think that it was kinda like, that's not my problem anymore. And I don't even know. To try to justify his brain is so hard because even now, I genuinely believe he's still in love with my mom. Mhmm. Because he'll call me randomly and be like, how's your mom doing?

Like, even before he asked how I'm doing. So whenever we would see each other, he was always just like almost trying to get my mom to fall in love with him again so that it could be a family thing, even if it was toxic. But I think once it was a divorce, it was like, alright. Like, you this is on you. Like Yeah.

I know you said, like, you were sleeping in a bed with your mom. Like, what was 1 of the worst circumstances living wise that you and your siblings had to go through during your childhood?

It was I'm like smiling about it because it was the best and worst situation, if that makes sense. So we had an expedition and we kind of lived in that for a little bit. Mind you, in Newport Beach. An Expedition with

a car?

Yeah. Okay. Like Newport Beach, we're going to I think this is when we were at what is it? Ensign? By Newport Harbor.

So we were still in Newport. So imagine living in a car, going to, like, a rich school. Like, it's the most weird thing. But we were living in a car but then we could afford to stay in a motel for a little bit. So we were kind of back and forth, like, what nights we could pay for, how many nights we could pay for.

But I'm saying it's the best because me and my brother my mom is obviously, like, prideful and, like, she never wants to be looked at that way of, like, not being able to provide for kids. So, like, my mom's like, I'm sorry that we had to do that. I'm sorry that you had to go through that. But me and my brother are just like, what? That was so much fun.

Like as a kid, we lived in a motel and our routine every morning, we would make those waffles in the waffle machine in the motel breakfast, like before school. And then we'd go in. My mom would let us go into the hot tub in the pool. So like, this is all preschool, like, fun stuff in the morning. So this is, like, us getting up 6:30, 7 AM, making our waffles, jumping in the pool, chilling in the hot tub, playing, being like best friends, and then showering, getting dressed, and then we would drive to school in this, like, beat up expedition when everybody else is in, like, Rolls Royces and Range Rovers and all that stuff.

But for me and DJ, it was never it was, like, never embarrassing in the weirdest way. It was weird, And we knew that we were kinda, like, the odd man out

Yeah.

In a sense, but we never ever would, like, rush out of the car or, like, be like, mom, pick us up over here. Like, it was never like that. So, yeah, going back long story short, it's like worst and best situation because me and my brother looked back and we're like, that was so fun in the weirdest way.

How long do you think you lived you lived in a car for?

It wasn't that long. We were in that motel for months, But again, it was fun even as an adult. Like, I'm like, that was fun. And I also think that's such

a testament to your mom. Right? Yeah. Because I think as you get older and you start to recognize, like, the reality of life, the fact that you guys were able to see those moments as just genuinely so joyful. Like, your mom was protecting you in such a beautiful way, and you had these, like, awesome memories.

That's such a testament to your mother.

Yeah. It's crazy. And, I mean, she's not like she had an easy childhood. Like, she didn't have a father figure either. Yeah.

So, I mean, she yeah. She went through her own struggles while somehow making our life extremely fun being broke, which is insane because everything costs money. So how do you have fun? It might it's just weird.

Do you think you were like, you never found yourself ever resentful of your situation? No. That's amazing.

Never resentful. Obviously, there were times where it was like our friends would be doing stuff, and we couldn't go. Yeah. Or, like, we just didn't wanna go because we didn't wanna ask people for money. Yeah.

So it was never resentment. It was more so like, damn, I wish I could go in there.

When I was doing research, I was looking like when you were 9 years old, your dad was getting inducted into the hall of fame. And when I'm Yeah. Listening to you talk right now, I'm like, okay, You're 9.

So many things happened. It's crazy.

Right? Like, I'm like forget. Hold on. This man is on a stage getting inducted into the hall of fame. And where are you when you're 9?

No. And that's the crazy part is is, like, we still were going to those events. Like, we were just a happy little family, like, getting dressed, getting styled, like, his Jersey retirement, all those things that we attended to while we're, like, not financially like, it was just the weirdest thing because it was, like, we did things for him, and we've always done things for him. It's like he wanted to have a good image of having his family by him. And we were like, yeah.

We'll go. It's so exciting. Like

So at that point in your life, just to try to get an understanding, throughout, like, I would say your first, like, 15 years of life, let's say, how often would you see your dad?

When we were younger, it was more. Okay. Way more. And then I think as we got older and understood the situation more, my mom became stronger in the situation. That's when it was less.

And I I would say by the time we were in, I'll say, like, 7th grade until even now, it was 3, 4 times a year

when

we lived in the same city.

And did you ever live with him? When we

were really young, but that's when we were like right after we were born. Yep. But that wasn't that long because my mom was over the party and she was just like, we're getting married. Hold on.

Yeah. In his acceptance speech, he said the 1 thing he regretted was not being a better father. You just rolled your eyes.

Yeah. Because it's just like do I believe him? Yeah. I do believe that he wishes that he could fight his demons. I roll my eyes because it's like you hear something so many times, but he does nothing to change it.

Yeah. And

it's like, I wish I was a better dad. He said that in so many interviews. Like, I could pull them up.

Yeah.

And it's like, okay. Yeah. Then do something. And it I think what the most frustrating part about it is, is I think with how successful he was and how rich he was, he was surrounded by a lot of toxic people who would take his money and take advantage of him. And because he was in alcohol.

He was kind of brainwashed and all that. Didn't really have control over anything. I don't know. That was just so I think, again, the rolling eyes comes from we tried to be that foundation and to be the good people around him. Because in reality, like, we never really asked for anything unless we really needed it.

Yeah.

Like, me, my mom, and my brother. It was like, we just want you. And I don't I think for him, he's never understood the fact because he's never experienced it. He's had messed up family issues as well. He's never understood that people could actually just want to be around him and to just want to, like, make him happy.

He's always thinking money, money, money, money when it's like, no.

Yeah. Like, what a horrible situation where you're like, wait. No, dad. Like, we yes. We're coming to you for money because we're liver literally living in a fucking car.

Yeah.

But we also want you. But he's so paranoid of whatever is going on in his life that he can't, like, accept what you guys are trying to give him. And so it's, like, this cat and mouse game where you guys feel like you're constantly being rejected, but you're coming with the best intentions.

Yeah. And it's just hard because it's like even now, I'm, like, trying to be honest about it, and I'm still giving him sympathy, which is, like, frustrating for me because in reality, I think he's an extremely selfish human being. I think everything has always been about him. He's gone through shit, but at the same time, I'm like, he loves the spotlight. He loves the cameras.

He loves bringing his children on stage and being like, oh, these are my kids. Like, all that stuff and even, like, the mind I've been well, I've been cussing. That's new for me. I was gonna say the mind fuck, but, like, of him like, for me, emotionally, he's put me through, like oh my gosh. Like, even just him not talking to me for months months months, and then he randomly calls, and he's like, hey.

Like, I'm thinking of doing a TV show, a reality TV show. You wanna join? I'm just like, woah. So, like, that's the part where I have so much anger towards it of, like, why have I been so nice about someone who's so selfish? And that's the thing with our entire family is, like, you said it in the beginning of, like, us protecting him when he's never once protected us.

He's almost made it worse because he has put us in the public light at a young age. So I guess it's just, like, the anger that I haven't really been able to let out is, like, difficult for me.

Yeah. But I feel like hearing you say this. Like, I've had people sit in that exact chair, and it's, like, fucked up dynamics with parents is so complicated because at the end of the day, they're still your parent. And there's, like, almost a brainwash you experience of, like, you still want their love, you still want their validation, you still want them to like you. You still want him to, like, come to your games and think you're great and, like, see how great you're doing.

But at the same time, you also wanna be, like, fuck you. You've never done anything for us. Like and it's, like, this battle of I get why I wouldn't expect anything other than you sitting here and going back and forth of, like, trying to protect him because you've never spoken about this. So I wanna give you grace also, like, you're doing great Yeah. Because you are doing a really great job of explaining this, like, hard push and pull you have because it's your dad.

Yeah. And that's, like, what you're saying is, like, the weirdest thing because even when I'm, like even, like, going through a season where you're just like, damn. I'm so over this. Like, I just wanna go home and sleep. In moments like that, I'm like, damn, I wish I could just get a hug from my dad.

When I don't even have that connection with him, like, when he showed up on my game, I was, like, so mad.

Yeah. Can we talk about that for a second?

I first saw him. Yeah. I kind of already started talking about everything, but It's okay. Yeah. He showed up to my game.

My mom had no idea until he was, like, there. And I think she got a call or something, but they were in the sweet field side. And I again going at my rookie year, going into a quarterfinal, like, I'm already shitting my pants as it is. Like, I'm, like, stressed. Like, oh my gosh, like, we have to win.

So we go, I'm playing. I think it's, like, halfway through the first half and I hear it and, like, his voice to me is like so I hear him go, let's go, Rodman. Let's go, Trinity. And I'm like, oh my fucking gosh. Like, there's no way this is happening right now.

Mind you, I haven't seen him in or talked to him in months. Months. So I hear it, and I'm like, I'm playing a game. Not, like, throw in nothing. Like, I'm playing a game, and I hear I'm running.

I'm like, oh my gosh. So I'm still playing and I'm like, there's no way. I'm, like, chasing the ball down trying to figure out. A goal kick happens. Right?

I'm defending a goal kick. And I'm, like, in my stance kind of, and I look back and I'm like, what the fuck? I look straight and I, like, start crying on the field. So I'm trying to play the soccer game and I'm I'm crying. And I don't know if we got a water break.

I think there was, like, an injury or a water break. Yeah. Because we go into the huddle and I go to Ashley Sanchez, which is like 1 of my best friends. Go to her in the huddle while our coach is trying to give us direction of, like, what's working, what's not working. Because, like, we were playing horrible the first half.

I'm looking at Ash. I'm crying. No 1 knows what the fuck's going on. I'm looking at Ash and I'm like, dude, my dad's here. And she knew immediately.

She was like, oh, fuck. She gave me a hug. She was like, it's okay. Let's just finish this half. Like, we'll talk in the locker room at halftime.

Just finish this half. Don't think about it. I was like, sure. Let me just forget. Yeah.

Classic. Easy advice. So, yeah, finished that half and then cry my eyes out in the locker room at halftime. And my coach was like, do you want do you wanna play? And I was like, yeah.

I wanna win. Hello? I'm like, he is not gonna take me from winning this either. Fuck you. So, yeah, we finished the game.

Were you able to, like, play well?

Yeah. So I took the shot, ricocheted back, and hatch scored it for us to win.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. And then after the game, when we were winning, there's that part in your head where, like, the whistle's gonna blow. The whistle's gonna blow.

And all I was thinking was like, oh my god. I'm gonna see him. I'm gonna talk to him. Like, what's gonna happen? The whistle blew, and I was so, like, mad.

I was like, you took this happy moment from me. Like, you fucked with my head again. And he did it so many times, and I don't even know no. I think he knows what he does. But when the game ended, I was so angry.

I was happy we won, but I was just like and then I started getting mad at my mom because I was like, she had to have known. Why didn't she tell me, like, all this stuff? And then I walk over and, again, there's cameras everywhere. Dennis Rodman's at the game. Blah blah blah.

And I walk over there and all I did was cry. I was like, I'm walking over there so mad. Like, fuck you. I walk over there. He grabs my head and I just start bawling into his arms as if, like, it's a daddy daughter.

Like and I'm just like, this is the first game you come to. Quarter final, you missed the entire season. Haven't seen my games in 3, 4, 5 years. And I'm just, like, bawling. I was I cried and then I was super happy.

I was like, let's take the positive of it. He's here. Like, that's more than I can ask. So then we go into, like, this friends and family part after. We're, like, talking, whatever.

He's asking me how everything's going. It's, like, honestly, like, a pretty wholesome thing. Like, oh my gosh. Imagine. So we're just, like, talking, catching up, and then I don't even remember how it was left.

I think I just went home because I had training the next day, and we just kinda left it at that. And he was just like, I wanna see you soon. I'm in DC, whatever. And I was like, okay. And then after that, radio silence.

I didn't see him for, like, until this year. I didn't talk to him or see him, yeah, until I think no. Yeah. Right after World Cup.

Wait. How many years ago was this? 3.

So you This is 2021.

So that happens in 2021 again?

And I'm talking to media. I put out this huge post, like, we're not perfect. I love my dad. Like, this could be the start of something new. Like, I know blah blah blah.

Like, being super nice about it, like, just grateful that he even showed up. I'm like, I don't know what it has in store, but I'm just happy that we got to have this moment together. Stupid me for thinking that was gonna be some type of, like, new spark because that was me every single time. He would come around. I'd be like, okay.

Here it is again. We're gonna start something. He's gonna be around. Boom. Months months months.

This time it was years. And I was just like, okay. Cool. And so then it's like after that, then it's media outlets asking about the post, asking about him being there. So I'm like super positive.

I'm just like, yeah like obviously it was really emotional. I'm really happy. Months months go by I'm still talking about on media and I'm just like fuck here we go again. So then it was just like I think after that was when I lost hope in like ever getting him back. It was just gonna be like a he's popping in whenever he wants to be in a camera.

And even at that game, I don't think it was for me. I think he wanted to have a good conscious conscience and then be like, headline, Dennis Rodman showed up to his daughter's game, an important quarter final in her rookie year. And that's exactly what it was.

That's what I was gonna say. Like, I went and looked at that Instagram post, and it like, my heart sunk for you because, obviously, like, I knew somewhat of the conversation we were gonna have today. But I had obviously no idea of, like, the gravity of it. And it's so disheartening because you're right. Like, you walking over to him in that moment, it was all about the cameras.

You couldn't have a normal reaction to be like, where the fuck have you been? And, like, you saying you're on the field angry, and then you don't get to have a normal moment with your father where a normal person could go up and be like, what the fuck? Instead, it's like, everyone smile for the cameras and be happy. And then before you even get to have, like, a debrief the next day, like, he's gone. Can you talk to me about, like didn't he, like, always change his phone numbers?

Yeah. Even now, like, I don't have his number saved. I think he because he had called me, like, even these past couple weeks, he's been trying to call me. And I it was just a Texas number. Didn't know he lived in Texas.

So that's news to me. So I'm just thinking it's like spam risk, like, all this stuff. And I'm like, okay. They're just, like, spam calls. It's like normal.

I get those all the time. So I was ignoring it, and then I see, like, voice mails from it. And I'm like and then I look, and I hear it for a second. I was like, fuck. And I think I heard it for a second because I saw that the voice mail was 40 seconds long.

I was like, no. I'm not doing that. And it's just like a hit or miss day for me. It's like if I wanna go through that or not, and I'm just like, no.

Why is he always changing his phone number?

I don't know if it's changing or losing his phones or what, but, again, he never has an iPhone. He always has a flip phone, and I honestly think he'll just, like, trash them and get new ones.

Of him calling you in re like, in moments throughout your life and those moments where you're like, sometimes I have the patience, sometimes I don't, Is there any time he, like, called you that you remember and it, like, really fucked with you? Whether you were, like, about to go into a specific event in your life or you were in a specific situation and he calls and you, like, were like, this completely fucked me up and ruined my day, kinda like the game?

Yeah. I think it fucks me up every single time. Even I think now hearing his voice is, like, painful because I think it's missing him mixed with he's an alcoholic. And again that's something that I don't want to say but I'm just like fuck it. Like it's just the truth and like hearing even the past 5 years hearing the difference in the way that his sentences go together and now I'm like like, I genuinely keep I'm like, he's gone.

Like, it feels like he's gone. And, like, hearing him talk, I'm just like like, I answer the phone now for, like, my conscience to be like, if something does happen, God forbid, I wanna know that, like, I did that or if he needed to hear my voice before anything happens. Like, that's why I answer the phone. Not for me. But then I answer the phone, and I have that conversation and I hear the way he's talking and how gone and drunk he is.

And I'm just like, that was horrible. I'm like, that did nothing for me. Like, if something were to happen, if I would have had that phone call and if I wouldn't have, I would have felt the same way.

Well, that's what but you saying that, and I feel like there's a lot of people listening that can probably relate to having someone in their life that struggles with alcohol or substance abuse. And it's like the point you just hit on, which I think is so debilitating and it keeps you kind of like a captive because it's like you're held captive to your dad because the thought is if this has his last moment and he's calling me and he wants to hear my voice. So there's a world where you're gonna pick up every fucking time because you're so fucking scared.

For somebody else Right. Like, living to make someone else happy. Have

you have you figured out any form of boundaries that you has worked or no?

It's hard to make boundaries when he's like, it's a rare occurrence. Like, if you were, say, calling me randomly every single week, okay. Cool. But it's, like, so random that I'm like, you don't know when the next phone call is gonna come. So it's like, what is a boundary?

What is the closest you've ever had with your father of, like, a heart to heart somewhat scratching the surface of, like, this is why he is the way he is. Like, has he ever spoken about his struggle with alcohol to you and tried to explain his behavior?

No. But I think not with the alcohol, with loving people he's talked to me and my mom about of just the lack of love that he's received from his parents or his dad relationship is kind of translates into how he loves other people because he loved my mom. I do not question that. She does not question that. He treated her like shit.

So it's just weird, and it's like, to me, even after everything I said, he treats me the best. I'm, like, still his little princess, and I can't do any wrong. He, growing up, he treated my brother like shit too. So fuck you. You're not good enough.

What are you doing with basketball? You're not. And that's, yeah, that's touching on a whole different thing with the hate that my brother gets being in the same sport. Like, I don't even people and the insensitivity with that. It's like, you're never as good as your dad, all this stuff.

It's like, he doesn't have to be. And also he's not around. And I think too, I'm, like, just blabbering. No. You're doing great.

But that's also another thing of, like, that's the most he's talked to me about in terms of, like, loving my brother, the, like, the man to man thing. He doesn't know how to father in general, but especially to it. Like, he doesn't know how to show that. Like, with me and my mom, he could at least hug us. Like, he knows how to do that.

He doesn't know how to do that with my brother. And that's just, I mean, caused a lot of issues with my brother's confidence and obviously hearing your dad say, like, you're not good enough, all this stuff. And it's like too, like, playing with Bronnie. It's like you see Bronnie and you see LeBron, and it's like, that is picture perfect, like, holy. So even that is just a whole another thing for my brother, and I don't wanna speak for him.

I'm sure when he's ready, if he's ever ready to talk about that, that's just another thing that my dad doesn't realize. He's affected so much of our, like, day to day Yeah. Like, the reason my brother gets hate for basketball is because of him.

And I think, like, we would all I agree with you when you're talking about the LeBron and Bronny situation, but, like, I think we would all be idiots if we didn't think to ourselves, like, damn. That's fucking hard for that kid. Like, that looks great, but even that is so fucking hard. So imagine your brother

And I'm not yeah. I did not make mean to make that sound

and make

a walk in the park.

No. I'm validating what you're saying of, like, it looks like, wow. Look how great that is. It's like, even that, 1 can imagine how difficult that is of, like, being the son of LeBron James. You're like No.

Damn. This is hard. And, like but the fact that LeBron is embracing his kid being, like, come with me. Let you show you it's like your brother, and I agree, like, not to speak for him, but I can only imagine the hurt it feels to have a passion that is essentially, like, constantly stripped of you because you're being constantly compared to your dad when what your guys are really talking about. You're like, I don't wanna be fucking compared to him.

Yeah. And that's yeah. 100%. And, yeah, the Bronte and LeBron's like, I've seen the hate that Bronte gets too. It's unbelievable to to try to live up to being the GOAT of LeBron James.

But, yeah, I think with my brother, it's just. You're never enough. Like, it's sad. Yeah. And, like, no 1 can tell him that he's enough because the 1 person that he wants to say is Enough.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's, yeah, it's tough.

Were you hesitant to talk about the real situation with your dad because of the hype around the Rodman name? Like, do you think people are gonna still, like, not not believe what you're saying today, but do you think people will still downplay it? Because it's like

because I I also think people look at us like, oh, poor poor me. Like, we're just trying to, like, get a check or, like, oh, pity story. Try to, like, create this thing. But I think, yeah, they're always I think there's a lot of times where there's it's always gonna be, like, everyone on my dad's side, like, when for, like, Father's Day. Like, that day is shitty for people that don't have father figures.

So for us, like, our coping mechanism for it was posting our mom. Like, happy Father's Day. Thanks for being both. And that wasn't that's no disrespect to the father figures. Like, still, a day to celebrate dads and fathers.

But for us, that's our dad. That's our mom and our dad in the weirdest way. And even just comments like that, like, don't disrespect him like that. It's like, that's not disrespect. He's not a dad.

Right. He's a person. He's not a dad. Maybe by blood, but nothing else.

Yeah. Do you I it feels it almost feels like people are, like, frustrated that you speaking about what he was like as a dad is gonna threaten his legacy as a basketball player, which is so fucked. Yeah. How do you think talking about this today is gonna affect you and, like, impact the way you approach interviews moving forward?

I'm just, like, not gonna give a fuck, honestly. Like, that's how I feel, though. Because I watch interviews back, and I'm like, ew. Why does why do I look so scared? Like, this is, like, my story.

Right. And, like, there are times where he gets brought up where I'm just like, yeah. Like yeah. He's like, I know he's proud of me. Like, and I'm like, ew.

Like, just say how you feel. And even sometimes I wish I, like, when people ask, oh, like, is he gonna come to 1 of the Olympic games? I don't know. And other like, I'll dodge it, and I'll be like, oh, like, my mom's gonna be here. I'm gonna give her a hug.

And I'm like, great answer from

a from

a PR team.

Perfect answer. Right? Share my own talk.

In reality, like You

don't know?

Not to be a diva, but I'm just like I wanna be like, I don't know. Yeah. How am I supposed to know? Like and that's it. That's that's the end.

True. You make me feel uncomfortable, I'm gonna make you feel uncomfortable. And I feel like I've been so comfortable being uncomfortable, and I'm just

Done. You're fucking done. Obviously, there's been, like I think the rise of your career has been fucking incredible, Trinity. Like, you're so fucking talented in your own right. And I can imagine moments like this where you are having this, like, Olympic run and your name is everywhere.

And, yes, you're sitting there and people are asking you, like, oh, is your is your dad gonna come and is your dad gonna see the game? And it's like, why can't I just be enough? How has your relationship with your dad affected your love life?

You know what's funny about this is that, like, I literally just figured out what it affected. Like, I would say a week ago. What what did it affect? I think my love language is affection and, like, physical touch. But I think that's because I never got that from my dad, and I never got that type of love.

And because of that, he didn't show that to my brother either. So my brother's very similar to my dad in the way that he loves. Like, he's I don't wanna say cold, but he's not a lovey dovey squishy person in a relationship. So I don't get that from my brother or my dad. So I think the way that I am in relationships I don't want to say high maintenance, but I think the top priority for me is, like, feeling wanted and feeling like I wanna be pulled in for a hug all the time.

Like, I don't want to pass you in the living room and for you to not wanna touch my butt or, like, kiss me on the cheek or, like, just do something.

Right.

I know people can relate to that, but I genuinely feel like that has made me crazy. I

love you.

Okay. Wait. Did you have any relationships where you started to be, like, fuck. I need to figure my shit out in the past? Because, like, we've all had fucked up relationships romantically.

Like, did you see any of your family trauma seeping into your relationships that you can share with people maybe that have similar situation to you?

Yeah. I think my first relationship I think, obviously, first relationships are always, like, kind of a, what is love? What are we doing? Yeah. I think then I was extremely insecure in myself, and I kinda let the person walk all over me in a sense.

But, again, I don't regret any relationship. I think they've all helped me so much, and I'm so cordial with, like, everyone that I've been with. But I put up with a lot because I didn't have validation, so I feel like it's done a 360 now, but I would say I was really insecure and let a lot of shit slide back then. Like what? Like hanging out with the boys.

Right? Love that sentence. Right? Right? Oh, reading off the boys.

Okay. Fuck off. But it'd be like hanging out with the boys, and I'd be like, damn. I wanted to hang out with you tonight. And it happens and then there's, like, 10 girls there.

I'm your girlfriend. What what do you mean? And those are also not the boys. So just something like that and even that was the weirdest thing was that my brother was best friends with him. So my brother was there.

So it was a push and pull with him of, like, that's my best friend, but you're my sister's crying all

the time. My sister is sobbing. Get it together.

I learned a lot from that relationship. I think that was great. And, like, even with that, we were still, like, best friends in the weirdest way, but I learned a lot of things of, like, I'm not taking that shit. And I think that then helped me in my next relationship of, like, I felt most confident in my next relationship. And then it was a different struggle of, like, I'm so confident and I'm so happy that now I'm, like, too reliant on this relationship.

And now I'm, like, isolating myself from everybody else because I'm, like, addicted to the feeling that he's given me, like, the the love and affection and, like, you're beautiful and all this stuff. So that was just another issue that I had to work through.

Well, I was gonna say too, I feel like a a big theme throughout our conversation of, like, talking about your growing up and talking about your relationship with your father. Like, there has been a lot of instability in the way that he communicates with you and his actions, like you even saying, like, the drinking problem. Like, I remember I wrote down, like, at 1 point, your dad made really had a lot of controversial moments, obviously, but, like, the 1 where he befriended a dictator in North Korea. And, like, you know, it's, like, it it's really not funny, but, like, we can laugh. But, like, you having to read that about your dad, that is a lot of, like, 1 day you don't hear from him, 1 day you're reading something on the news.

Like Yeah. It that's very, like, destabilizing to, like, your reality of, like, your everyday this person pops in or you hear this on the news that your dad is making friends with a dictator in North Korea. Like, how have you learned throughout the years to just, like, stabilize your own reality and, like, keep your bubble as safe as you can when all the rest around you is kind of moving? It's obviously so

it's just so weird, And it's, like, so hard not to be hurt by certain things, like reading things, getting updates through media. And then people ask you, and you're like, you probably knew before I did, or you probably honestly know more than I did. I do. Yeah. Like, it's so, so, so weird.

Or just like little stuff like him not being in my life and then, like, other people. And I'm not throwing shade at anybody, but, like, I remember Angel Reese had wore his jersey to a game, and then there was a picture of them. And like, all of it, like he is a really famous basketball player and like style wise, everything like inspiring. But I think as a daughter seeing that it's like no shade, but it's like,

damn, I wish that was me.

I am. I'm like, damn.

I wish

I was taking a picture with him. I wish I was

wearing his jersey. Like, when I wear his jersey, I feel like it's not like, holy shit. But, like, when Angel Reese wears it, it's like, Angel Reese is wearing Dennis Rodman's jersey. And, like, I think that's like a a sting to me. And I don't wanna sound, like, bitchy at all because, again, statement, like, pop off.

But for me as his daughter, it's like, dad, what the hell? Like, it's just weird. No. It's like Those are the things you have to filter. And it's like, okay.

It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine.

Yeah. But, again, I think it's like I think if I'm taking anything from this, it's also like it's still a work in progress of, like, you he is your biological father. A part of you is there is parts of him. Right? And so, like, you love this person in ways that you can't describe.

And as much as he hurts you, there's those push and pull moments where you're like, fuck, dad. Why do you have to be like this? And then I also think it's really inspiring to hear you talk about, like, how you're, like, no. I am carving my own path. And now can we just talk about, like, you as your own career?

Like, you are so fucking successful. You fucking crush it. You have a fucking gold medal on your nightstand that you're, like, I forgot where it is. Where is it again? Where is it?

Winning and succeeding and being so successful and having sponsors and and being a woman in sports in general is so fucking hard to do. Like, how do you fucking enjoy it for yourself and don't let this bullshit get to you some days? Like, who do you celebrate with? Who do you talk to about your success individual of your dad?

I don't know. I feel like it's really hard to celebrate it in the weirdest way. Like, 1, because it's just nonstop all the time. And, like, I'm so grateful for every opportunity, but sometimes I'm just like, I wish I had a moment to take a breath and be like, I did that. Like, holy so to say, like, who do I celebrate with?

I I don't know. Because I don't think that I really do. Like, obviously, like, I I'm happier. I'll watch a clip of, like, the Olympics, the goal. I'm like, oh my god.

Like, ah. But it's little moments like that. Like, it's just rewatching a clip of something, but I don't think genuinely, I really think or celebrate myself. I think it's more so especially in interviews and stuff. It's like, how proud are you?

And it's like it's such a copy and paste answer through every interview. It's just like, I'm I can't even find the words. Proud. I'm like a robot. I'm like, I'm so happy.

Like, I like, it's indescribable. I'm 22 and have a gold medal. And it's like, even in those moments, it's, like, genuinely deep down, I feel so proud of myself, but it's so repetitive and so, like, robotic that I can't I don't think of it that way. I'm just, like, say it for the media and, like,

No. But I think that's, like, really fucking relatable. Like, I think that's not, like, just you. I think that if you ask a lot of people when they have such intense success, I think it's so hard to try to grasp what's happening in the moment because that would mean you have to stop. And I think you need time to process as a human being.

And I feel like it sucks in 1 way, but you also, especially as athletes, it's like you gotta keep fucking going because even when you win, like you said what did you say to me at the beginning of this? You said, oh, I didn't even have time to celebrate the gold because what did you go do?

Go play for a freaking championship. I'm lost. That was annoying. But, But you

flew back to America and you played

out in the playoffs? Played, I think, less than a week after I got back. No. That was that that was just to why I led. I think it was, like, a week and a half, but I played in the first game back and it was scored.

Still, my legs were on fire and I was dying.

I think women are obviously so scrutinized in general, but sports specifically, I think has been like a huge topic recently in a great way. But what do you think is the hardest part about being a female athlete?

Oh my gosh.

I know. You're like, do you have 9 hours?

I think the recognition for 1. I think even just in in conversation, it's like, oh, who do you play for? Spirit? And they're like, what's that? I'm like, ugh.

Yeah. But I'm like, I don't know. I would say recognition, pay, obviously. Like, even just being on media, and it's like, obviously, NBA, NFL makes way more money, has way more viewers. Like, not taking that away, but I think seeing the contracts and then looking at ours, I'm just like, fuck.

I'm so grateful to be making the money that I make right now at my age, but I look, and I'm just like It's just like But also, I'd say another big thing is, like, the human aspect of it. Like, I just feel like with male sports with men, it's like they're out here going to concerts, on stage, going to clubs, going to all this and it's like, oh, here this person is out of club drinking like 2 nights before a game and it's just like, okay, normal. But it's like, I feel like me and my teammates will go out 1 night on an off weekend, and we're like, we see a camera, and we're like, oh my gosh. What if what if our coach finds out? What if somebody posts it?

Like and we're not even getting drunk. Like, we're just going to, like, be in public and

just, like, feel the vibe.

Yeah. Just, like, feel, like, something.

We're just here to feel something. We're dead sober. We've had, like, half of a cocktail.

I'm, like, drinking Red Bull the whole time. It's, like, ah.

Okay. No. But I get what you're saying. It's, like, the double standard of, like, why can't and it again, though, like, it hasn't changed, though, I guess, is what we're also saying. It's, like, your dad was known for I watched the Michael Jordan doc on, like, the whatever the fuck the last something.

Sorry. Oh my god. All the The last dance. Yeah. The last dance.

Sorry. Got thank you.

I do know that fact.

It's the last dance. And he's on a flight to Vegas, and he comes back, and he shows up in the middle, and he's ready for the game. And it's, like, if women behaved the same way that men did, it just you wouldn't be in the position you're in because we are expected to act differently and to speak differently in media and to present ourselves differently, and it's exhausting. And especially when you're getting to see men act a certain way and get bigger paychecks, like, it fucking sucks. It sucks.

Yeah. It does. Definitely. And I think yeah. It's just annoying.

It's just annoying.

No. But can I say, I do really respect you for sitting down with me today for a numerous amount of reasons? But when talking about the women in sports, I feel like something that as someone that used to play but doesn't play anymore and is now in media, like, I think something that can contribute to the sports growing is

this. Yeah.

Is the athletes becoming more well known for who they are individual of the sport? Because the sports are fucking amazing. We love sports. Yeah. But who is Trinity Rodman outside of being on the field?

And, like, I think that's what gets people so fucking excited and incentivized on top of being a great big sports lover. Like, there may be some people I remember doing my show and people were like, oh, fuck. I, like, watched soccer games, and I've never watched a soccer game in my life, but I just, like, tuned in because, like, I listened to Call Her Daddy and, like, now I kind of love it. And it's, like, whatever we can do to get people to tune in, I think, is so important because, like, women do deserve the recognition that they don't get. So I appreciate you fucking speaking up even if it's about something that you didn't wanna talk about.

Oh, no. No. Like, I appreciate it too even if it makes me uncomfortable. I think too, like obviously, like, getting to know the person outside the sport, but also, like, we are going to have a life outside of soccer. Like, if an injury happens or when we retire, like, you can only play so long.

So it's like, what is our life after that? And, like, if we're only known for soccer, it is so hard to pick up the pieces and figure out what you're doing after that. So I think for me, even growing up, like, anyone close to me could tell you that I've always wanted soccer. Like, I've always wanted to be an Olympic athlete, like, World Cup winner, like, everything. But through everything, I've always said, I don't want soccer to be my entire bane of existence.

Like, I don't want to live, die, breathe soccer, and I know a lot of athletes that do respect, but I just think in the future, live, die, breathe soccer is not going to help me in the long run, and then I'm just going to feel like I lack purpose once I'm done playing.

Yeah.

And I feel like I'm trying to figure that out, but, yeah, moments like this really help me.

Yeah. Look at your personality shining. You walk around with your ass out waiting for your boyfriend to smack your ass, your outfit.

What's happening? Your outfit. My sweat's dripping down my ass.

So I don't I'm sweating. Okay. Last question. What do you want your legacy in the sport to be?

I feel like my answer is simple. Just like, I want to be the athlete that brought the fun to sport. That simple. I don't want to be the 1 that scored a 1,000 goals. Like, I don't need to be the person that was like, she was the best athlete.

I want to be like, she was a great athlete, but she also made it fun to watch and be a part of. Oh, drop the mic. Period.

That, that,

Trinity. Life's too short. Thank you so much for coming on caller daddy. You crushed. Yeah.

Thanks for listening to me. Thank you.