Transcript of Jennifer Lawrence: Hunger Games, Hot Takes & Online Hate

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

Jennifer Lawrence, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Thank you so much for having me.

I'm so happy you're here.

Thank you. I'm very happy to be here.

I have been really looking forward to this conversation. Obviously, you are, like, one of the biggest movie stars.

Of course, of course. Go on.

Just so well established.

Yes, yes.

With an Oscar.

Yes, yes.

And then I feel like you really became known for just not being afraid to say what you're thinking.

Yes.

I do feel like you're the type of person, when people meet you, they kind of already feel like they know you and, like, you're their best friend.

Yes.

Do you feel like people overshare when they meet you?

No. Nobody ever overshares more than me.

Me two seconds ago before the camera started rolling, be like, "All right, so the cramps in my crotch, what am I doing?"

Again, I brought that up.

Okay, fair, fair.

That was for me.

Okay.

Yeah.

But you don't think randoms overshare with you too much?

No, and I don't think I would notice. Like, I'm just so confused about boundaries that.

Okay, perfect.

Yeah. I don't think it would even cross my mind.

That'll make for good podcasting today, hopefully.

It will.

Do you feel like you've ever had a really weird interaction with maybe, like, a fan in the wild who thinks, like, "Oh, you're my girl. Like, let me just hang with you for a second"? Or do they have boundaries?

Nobody in New York wants to be the dork that's like, "Oh, my God, I'm a huge fan!" You know? So everybody's just like.

I saw.

I was, like, coming out of a movie and was stuck on a very slow escalator in front of a girl that was, like, asking to take a picture with me, but I just got a peel. I actually got a peel too close to this. I don't know if you can see the bumps.

No, you look gorgeous.

Thank.

You look gorgeous.

Thank you. And so that was just uncomfortable, 'cause I was like, "No." And then we were just stuck together.

And then you start oversharing, you're like, "Because of the peel."

Yeah. Yeah. I got a peel on my pussy.

He's like, "I really hate you and I'm not a fan anymore. And I never asked you for that information."

Yeah, yeah. I can't believe I ever.

Do people usually call you Jen or J Law?

Imagine if I had people in my life that call me J Law. My best friends all call me J Law. And if somebody accidentally calls me Jen, I'm like, "What? Hold on."

It's J Law to you.

Um.

I should refer to you as Jen, though, right?

Yes.

Jennifer.

Yeah. Ms.

Ms. Jennifer.

Dr. Lawrence. Yes, you can refer to me as Jen. Yeah, I like the J Law thing. It's cool. I hope J Lo is not mad.

No, yeah, like, have you ever been in a room with her and it's been like, "Oh, we're both."

Tense?

Yeah.

Sure, why not? Yes.

Let's stir the room up.

And we caught in a huge fight, and I took her out.

No, I could see that, 'cause I was like, "I'm saying J Law," and then, like, my husband earlier was like, "J Lo?" And I'm like, "J Law."

Yeah.

It's like a good person to get mixed up with.

Totally.

Yeah, I'm not mad.

Yeah. I know. She might be, but I'm not.

Your hair looks gorgeous today.

Thank you.

And I just wanted to congratulate you on that, because you are adding a new business to your resume.

I am.

You are coming out with a new hair care brand called Mess.

Uh-huh.

Where did the name come from?

It was the first name that I ever, like, kind of came to the table with and was just like, "I want to have a hair company called Mess." Like, it feels true for me, not to brag. And so when I finally started working with Arcaya, and we started, like, you know, getting into the nitty-gritty, it was just kind of like, "Well, it's obviously not going to be called Mess." And, like, so we went through, and I was like, "Okay." Like, we went through thousands of names and, like, a big company and everything. And then between copywriting and, you know, AD-6ing certain names that we didn't like, we did land right back at Mess.

So it's kind of validating. You're like, "My idea was right all along."

Ooh.

Are you actually freezing?

I'm not as cold as I am scared.

Are you nervous?

No, I'm not nervous of the interview. I just, I can feel your pregnant energy, and I'm like, "Whew."

Wait, what is pregnant energy?

Um, quick.

Wait, I feel so slow. I feel like I'm being quick 'cause I want to keep up with you.

Oh, wow.

Should we slow it down?

Sure.

My pregnancy brain is just like, I feel like when I'm doing an interview, I've got to be quick, 'cause, like, I'm now.

Of course.

I got to lock in.

Yeah.

'Cause if I lock out for one second, I'm going to be gone.

You're not coming back.

I'm going to be gone.

Well, you know what? I have postpartum brain. So of course they think you're fast, 'cause I'm like, "What?"

So let us just say, disclaimer today, if we say anything so stupid, out of pocket, something that could get us canceled, it's not our fault.

No.

We're.

It's literally our husbands. Like, scientifically, literally.

We're perfect.

Yes, we are.

Speaking of Mess, I'm going to give you a messy scenario, 'cause, like you said, you're life, you're a little messy, and you also have, like, good takes. So I want to give you a scenario, and you're going to tell me how you would handle it.

Oh, okay.

Okay, here we go. A friend starts seeing a guy, and she is head over heels for him. So in love, obsessed, can't stop talking about him. But you've kind of, like, noticed a couple weird things. Like, example, he's constantly paying for dinner. He's so generous, but no one has any fucking idea what he does for work.

Oh, I hate that.

Are you going to bring this up to her, or are you just going to let her live in her happiness?

I wouldn't bring it up to her unless she asked. And asked in a real way, because there is obviously asking in the not-real way. You know, in a group, as a joke or whatever. But if she was like, "What do you think? And do you think this is weird?" then I would be like, "I don't know. Do you think it's weird?" "Yeah, I think it's super weird."

Right, like, first put it back on her to temp check. But most, I think that's a good point. It's never at the brunch. It's never with all the friends, where she's like, "What do you think about Garrett?" And if you're the idiot, that's going to be like, "Honestly, it really susses me out." It's like, "No, no, no." She's actually asking you to tell her how much you like Garrett.

Yeah.

Like, read the room.

It is always so, although I guess it's getting harder with, like, AI and all this new, I feel so old now with, like, all of the, you know, changes, that, like, if somebody can't tell you what they do, you know, in, like, under 60 seconds, it's a red flag. But now I'm like, "Is it?" Like.

Right? It's kind of like what we're living today.

Yeah. Someone's like, "I'm a computer." And I'm just like, "Okay."

And then we believe them.

Of course.

Obviously.

What am I going to do?

You feel dumb that you don't know.

Yeah.

You know?

Of course.

So you're just like, "I can't drop a pin."

So, of course you're a computer.

Neither can I. That actually is actually really confusing.

Yeah.

What is the worst red flag that you've ever looked in your past? Overlooked.

Overlooked. Oh, well, a guy that I was obsessed with was gay and told me he was gay.

Oh, and you were like.

And I was like, "No, you're not. You're gay right now. Just give me a chance."

Okay, that's good. But so you didn't end up together, obviously, and, like.

No, we did.

Okay.

That's my husband. I'm just kidding.

This is going to take years. Yeah, that'd be great. Okay, good to know. Okay. Is it okay to tell a white lie to get out of dinner with a friend if you are just too tired to go?

I mean, if a white lie to get out of dinner is wrong, then I don't want to be right. I don't, I have, my husband has, for years, it, like, baffles him. Like, if he wants to get out of something, he just says, like, "Hey, can't tonight, you know, goodbye?" Like, I can't even, like.

But he's direct.

And I'm just like, "I broke my foot on a piece of glass. We're rushing to the hospital. There's a tornado in the city for the first time in decades." Like, it's just always so long and dramatic, 'cause I need to make it believable. But now I've gotten into a new place in my life where I just don't make plans. I just say no to absolutely everything, and I haven't seen anyone in my life for years.

Like, why do we do that? My husband has the same thing where he's like, "Yo, man, like, been a really crazy week. Like, can't make it. Like, got to, want to just stay in with the wife tonight." And I'm literally like, "How did you do that?"

Yeah. Like, are they so mad? Which is weird, because, like, it's normally something is, like, a projection, but, like, I never get mad if somebody cancels on me. I obviously love when people cancel.

Elated.

So I don't know what, like, I picture the person on the phone just being like, "What?"

Right.

You know?

How could you?

I mean, my, like, love when people cancel. I'm like, "Oh, perfect." There's nothing better than a cancel plan.

If you and your husband are, you know, you got a night without the kids, what are you doing?

Sitting in silence on our phones.

Okay.

I hope.

It's so be, you know what's so beautiful about that answer? It's that it's so real. And I've seen, like, celebrity couples, like, out at lunch or something, and they'll be both on their phones, and, like, you see the comments of people being like, "Wow, they, like, hate each other." And I'm like, "That's what you do with your boyfriend at your date."

Yeah. Like, "What?"

Right, no, no. Okay, so.

What are we going to talk about?

'Cause you even have.

How was your day? I know exactly how your day was. I know exactly what happened. Yeah. And don't you dare ask how mine was, because if you've not been paying attention.

It's actually true. Okay, your friend has been working on a script as a passion project and sends it to you for feedback.

Oof.

You read it, and it is just got awful terrible.

Oh.

What do you say?

I mean, God, whew. That's tough. I mean, I think if I'm not in a position where, like, I have to make it or something, and it doesn't, it's not, it's no skin off my back, then I think I would just be like, "It's amazing. I love it."

This is groundbreaking.

Yeah, but if I, if it was, like, I had to produce it or something, I would be like, "Justine hated it. I loved it. Justine hated it."

Justine's watching this literally like, "Yeah."

Yeah.

That's my life. Yeah, yeah, always blame someone else.

Yeah.

You don't need to take the brunt of that.

I wonder how many people in my professional life are going to watch this and be like, "Oh, my God.

Justine's always hated it."

Justine hated my work too.

It's always you.

Yeah.

What is the most brutal piece of acting feedback you have ever gotten in your career?

My mom at the premiere of the Hunger Games said she could tell in every scene when I had my period. Water retention, I guess. Imagine a day of me being on camera that that doesn't go through my mind.

You now, like, will never film when you're on your period. You're like, "I'm so scarred. Don't put me on camera."

Yeah.

Oh, well, yeah, that's a.

I'm like, "Well, I'll only be able to film for about 20 days." She's also, like, the most supportive and the, like, the person I'm so excited to tell exciting news to. I don't know if, I think all moms do this, where you're like, "Guess what?" And they just say the most, like, the craziest, like, it will never live up to it. You know, I'm like, "Guess what?" And she's like, "Oh, my God. You wrote a movie. You're winning an Oscar for Best Writer, Director, and you're acting in it and just won an Oscar for that." I'm like, "No."

No.

But.

But I love that you love me.

Yeah.

That's what I was thinking about when you were coming here. I'm like, I know some of your story, but, like, I feel like maybe some people don't, and you kind of have an interesting way that you got into this industry. So you were discovered on the street when you were only 14 years old in New York City with your mother, which is, like, such a flex to get, like, recognized in the street. They're like, "This one, this one's going to make it," which is great.

Yeah, it was just so pretty.

They just were like, "She is so stunning, gorgeous, incredible."

I walked on the street, and everybody was like, "Oh, my God."

They're, like, passing out.

Yeah.

They're like, "This is the most stunning woman I've ever seen in my life." So they do that.

Yeah.

And then your parents let you move to New York City with your brother to pursue this career to some capacity.

Yeah. I accept this abridged version, yeah. I need you to turn the AC down, please.

Okay, try it now.

I'm going to die.

No, no, no, turn it down. I'm okay.

I'm like, my nose is running. I'm getting sick. Like, my throat.

You know what's so?

My throat hurts.

You know what's so? You're going to leave here and be literally sniffling so sick.

I will send you my doctor bill.

You know what's so crazy is I feel so great.

I know. I was pregnant. I was, like, in my third trimester in the winter of New York, and I was just flying down the FDR with all of the windows down. So hot, because when you're pregnant in the winter, the heat is on everywhere.

Oh, wait.

And so I couldn't go to restaurants.

Oh, yeah.

'Cause I was just like, "It's going to be 100 degrees in the restaurant."

And put your towards me if you can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, perfect.

Yeah.

If not, I'll get you a blanket.

Perfect.

Okay, so we're in New York City. You're a model, basically. You're stunning, gorgeous.

Yeah.

You're from Kentucky.

Mm-hmm.

So when you go back to Kentucky before you move to New York and you tell all of your friends, like, "I'm moving to New York City to pursue this," were all of your friends like, "Oh, that's so classic Jen," or were they, like, "What do you mean you're doing this?"

Well, they all thought I was lying, because I was a prolific liar.

Oh, you're kind of, like, a pathological liar, huh? You're kind of, like.

Not anymore.

Nothing you say this entire interview is on this.

I'm actually from Arizona. No, I don't lie in interviews, 'cause I just assume everybody can, like, look something up. And, like, there's nothing more embarrassing than getting caught in a lie. Like, let me tell you, in elementary school, I told everyone I had a wooden leg. And when they found out, I didn't.

Did you not wear skirts or shorts ever?

No.

Wait.

That feels like a lie.

Wait, keep going with that. People thought you would.

I'm like, no, I didn't wear skirts because I went to a religious school where it just keeps going.

She said that you had a wooden leg.

Mm-hmm.

So that kind of paints the picture. I was going to say, like, what were you like as a teenager?

Well, me as a teenager, it was a little more complicated, because I was completely unsocialized, as anybody who's seen me in an interview can see. But, like, I left Kentucky, left school when I was 14, and worked, and homeschooled. I mean, I don't really homeschool, but, so I wasn't around kids. I was a little weird.

So, and were you comfortable with adults, or you were just, like, not comfortable with anyone?

I'm sure I was comfortable with adults, but, I mean, I don't think adults were like, "Wow, what a cool, what a great hang." Like, wow. And I definitely don't think anybody was like, "She's mature."

Okay, that's fair.

Yeah.

So as someone who didn't grow up, though, like, you didn't want to be an actress at, like, six years old. You weren't like, "This, I'm made for the movies."

No, it was never something that, like, really crossed my mind. I just, I just wouldn't have thought that it was a possibility. Looking back, in retrospect, we can see signs. Like, I would, like, walk out the door and, like, ring the doorbell as, like, different characters, like, asking to use the phone. And, like, you know, we can look back through, like, photo albums and be like, "Ah, an actor."

Yes. What did you want to be growing up?

I thought I was going to be, well, a doctor, an interior designer.

Oh.

I just, I have no gift towards that at all. These are just, like, jobs I knew about.

Range. That's good. A doctor.

Mm-hmm. That also can decorate your homes.

Okay, so you end up becoming an actress, obviously. And I today kind of wanted to go down memory lane. Now that you're getting warmed up.

Mm-hmm.

Physically and verbally.

Yes.

Okay, so I'm going to show you a picture. Give me your first reaction, and then we're going to get into it.

Okay. Hunger Games.

Okay. You're 20 years old when you get catness.

Uh-huh.

I need to know what you remember about going in for reading this audition.

Oh, God. Skinny jeans. I remember stopping to buy candy before and eating it in the parking lot. And then it was at the director, Gary Ross's house, in his office above the garage, and he cried in my audition. So I was like, "That seems like a good sign."

Did you think you got the part? You're like, "Just good signs."

No, I don't think I thought I saw it. Yeah, especially 'cause you're so, you're so, what's that word? I don't have a word. Suspicious? Not suspicious.

Yeah, yeah, like superstitious about, like.

Superstitious.

Yeah, you're like, "I don't want to jinx anything."

Yeah.

And did they film it? Like, have you ever rewatched your audition tape?

They did film it, but please don't really, I don't ever want to see one of those. Oh, my God, ever.

But if it made people cry, like, "Jen, this is good." Like.

I don't care. I don't know what I was wearing. I know it wasn't good.

You don't want to go back to that. You don't want to relive the glory days.

No. I'm like, "Why did I, like, stop my car and eat a bag of candy?" Like.

Well, it clearly worked.

Yeah.

Obviously, the Hunger Games did have a massive fan base because of the books. Like, were you at all nervous once you got cast? Because fans are very intense about book series, and it's a lot to live up to.

That's not what made me nervous, 'cause I don't think I, like, knew about that.

Yeah.

What made me nervous was just the way I was afraid that it could negatively, negatively affect my acting career. I was like, and just, like, my personal life, 'cause, like, the one thing that I was always sure of when I was younger was, like, I want to be a mom. And I was just like, "This just looks so different than, like, you know, doing some indies and, like, doing a film here." Like, this is huge. Like, 'cause Twilight had, like, just come out, and everybody saw what that was.

And then it did forever.

And then, but as we've established, from 14, I just kind of do things. I just keep.

You're like, "It's fine."

Yeah.

"Everything's going to be fine."

I'll figure it out when I get there.

Do you remember your first day on set with the entire cast?

Yeah, I remember day one. Yes. Day one, 'cause we were doing, like, the reaping stuff. Not I volunteer, but, like, that set. And prim stuff at the house. Oh, my God. And I remember I was doing a scene where I was, like, in a wash basin in, like, a very old house in North Carolina. It was, like, a historical house. And I saw a fly, and I punched it through a window and shattered the window. And everyone was like, "Why did you do that?"

Well, I don't know, but why did you do that?

I don't know. It's just, like, something moved me.

Okay, so did you, and did you feel, like, very confident on that set?

Yes.

Why do you think that is? 'Cause that's, like, your big first, first job. And like you said, like, you were aware of how big it was going to be. Like, where do you think you.

I think, 'cause I had made the decision, you know? So I was, I had taken the time. I thought about it before I said yes. I asked them to give me a few days, you know, and I thought about it. And then I had months to, you know, prepare. And it was a lot of, like, physical preparation and stunt training and, you know, a lot of archery and stuff. So by the time I got there, I, you know, I was like.

You were ready.

Yeah.

I do remember, like, obviously, how intensive it was. You're like, "I'm actually doing physical activities during this." Do you remember what was one of the craziest scenes where you're like, "I can't believe I'm doing this as an actress right now"?

Yeah. There was a scene where I'm running down a mountain, and there are, like, fireballs being, like, fired at me. And none of it was CGI. Like, I mean, I guess the, but, like, the, everything really was exploding and catching on fire. And you couldn't, if you strayed away from your trail, which is not clear, because if they, you know, put red tape or something, you'll see it. So you just kind of have a general idea of, like, where to go. And, like, if you're wrong, you will blow up.

You're like, "I love this job so much. This is so fun."

Yeah.

Okay, interesting.

Thank you.

Okay, next.

Catching fire.

You and Josh.

Me and Josh. That is my baby.

I don't know if this is controversial to say, but, like, I was kind of, like, Team Gale.

Totally.

Now, we could settle the debate here. Were you Team Pita or were you Team Gale?

I was Team Gale. Even after he killed my sister.

Still riding for him.

Yeah.

Do you think that that will cause controversy on the internet?

I can't say, because I said that I was Team Jeremiah during the Summer I Turned Pretty. And the level of hate that I got was bigger than any controversy I've ever been involved in in my life.

Talk to me about that.

I don't, I, it literally was, like, I feel like I was just, like, rage baiting, like, slightly, 'cause, like, I did it with my friends. It was just, like, "I like Jeremiah," you know, and they'd be like, "Ah!" I thought it was innocent. It was, people were like, "You should die. You should die." And.

It is wild to insert yourself in that, especially who you are.

Oh, so you agree with them?

No, I just.

Wow.

I just am, like, I'm shocked that, like, I do like that you just, like, sling it and you're like, "Oh, I'm just going to tell you what I think." But it's definitely, it's definitely the take that's not.

I guess I could, I guess my response to.

Yeah, give me the rebuttal.

To you. Thank you so much for your feedback. I guess my response to your feedback would be, "How on earth would I have assumed that such a thing would cause such?" Like, I've been involved in a lot. Like, and I've pissed off the public, like, many, many times. I've, I'm old. I've been famous for decades. It never occurred to me that that would be the number one where people were just, like, "I wish you had never been born."

It's similar to if you were someone who got involved in Love Island drama.

Rob Roshenovsky was award-winning journalism.

When he showed up in his overalls, I knew we had gold on our hands.

Yes. Yes.

It was, it was, it was something for culture.

You were perfect. You are perfect.

Thank you. Okay, I obviously know famously Liam Hemsworth claimed that you would eat tuna and garlic before kissing him. Why? Why did you do that?

I, I didn't. Like, he's just, I think that, like, I don't even know where, what to say, Liam. I, we are filming for many months, and filming takes a lot of time. He made it seem like I, that's just, like, something I did, like, on purpose. Like, I would just, like, I would eat.

Tuna.

And tuna, what have you.

Do you like tuna?

I do.

I do too.

I love tuna salad, tuna melt.

But it's really controversial.

Why?

You're going to get canceled again.

Really? Why is it controversial?

Oh, I feel like every time I tell people I like tuna, like, okay, don't you, come on. Don't you kind of feel like when you're at a restaurant or you're with people, and of course it's, like, your husband 'cause he knows, like, whatever. But if you're with, like, people that maybe don't know you and you're like, "I'll have the tuna," whatever, there's a little side eye. People kind of look at you like, "Hmm, you're getting the tuna." I think people, like, think it's kind of nasty.

Oh, I'm sure it is. I need food to taste processed, you know?

You're going to muddy up that tuna.

Yeah.

With a bunch of.

Relish. Mayo. Zest crackers. Sorry, go on.

Okay, you and Josh are going to be in the new movie. What was it like to go back to catness?

Oh, my God. Unbelievable. It was so crazy, because it was, it was the same crew. It was the same camera guys, the same AD who I've worked with a million times too, 'cause I love him. And Josh and Woody and, like, it was so emotional. It was, like, Josh and I, like, didn't walk to the bathroom without our arms around each other. Like, we, it was so beautiful.

That's really cute. I'm excited.

And Woody obviously came through the window of my hotel room uninvited, 'cause it would not be.

The same.

It wouldn't be the same if he listened to boundaries and used a door.

Obviously not. I'm going to show you this next one. It's one of my all-time favorites.

That's Silver Linings Playbook.

Did you have any idea when you were filming that movie during the process of it how big it was going to get?

No, of course not. I mean, you never really do unless you're making, like, the Hunger Games or whatever. But no, no. And I felt the whole time, like, I didn't, I don't get it. Like, what is this movie about? I don't get it.

Yeah, I guess you kind of, like, leaned into that though with your character, right? You just, like, you went into.

Sure.

Like, you're like, "Honestly, whatever you took from that, perfect."

Yeah.

So at the time, obviously, Bradley was one of the biggest, and obviously still is, one of the biggest actors in Hollywood. What was it like meeting him for the first time?

I was definitely nervous. He was like, he was in the hangover. And if, I mean, what, everybody here, you weren't even born when the hangover came out.

Excuse you. I was a big fan of the hangover.

And so, yeah, he was, like, the biggest celebrity I think I, like, ever met at the time. And I was like, "Watch this. Hold my beer."

You guys then go into dance rehearsals, right? 'Cause you had to do a lot. What was the vibe?

I was confident.

There's our girl.

And I'm so bad. After we finished filming, I had to do ADR to say, like, "Yeah, I'm not that good of a dancer, but I like it. It's fun. It makes me happy." Because I was, my dancing was so bad and it needed to be, like, explained in the movie. And if you had put a gun to my head while we were shooting, I would have been like, "I'm really, really good. I'm an amazing dancer."

They're like, "Hey, Jen, we're just going to need a backup line. We may not use it."

Yeah.

But, and you're like.

I'm, I'm like reading the, I'm like, "I'm not that good of a, hey."

Okay, that's good to know. So it humbled you a little bit.

Not even.

Oh, okay.

I was just like, "They probably just need that as an option." My character's probably just really humble.

For character development.

Yeah.

That's something to do.

What else can I dance in?

Looking back, what was one of your favorite memories from filming that movie?

When Bradley and I had, like, a big makeout session, like, at the end of the movie, and I, I said, "Aren't you so sick of kissing?" And he didn't like that.

Oh.

But I think he laughed. But it just, it was funny. It was one of those moments where you're, like, trying, you're like, "Right?" And the other person's like, "Oh."

You're like, "Oh, well."

No, I thought.

"I'm sorry."

Are you saying I'm bad? Yeah, but, but he laughed.

Next and last.

LOL.

LOL.

LOL. That is Mystique Way. On the first, the first one, first class. X-Men first class.

And the amount of prosthetics and costume and makeup and all of it.

That was crazy. So the, for, for first class, which is what that one is, it was all body paint and glue. And it was, like, it was eight hours every, every time.

No.

And ticklish.

Oh.

And her, like, you, you've had airbrushing.

Yeah, yeah.

Imagine 12 tiny, cold, compressing airbrushes all over your body. No, I'm on, I'm a hero, and no one will ever understand what I went through.

And it's like no one talks about it enough.

No.

That's why I brought it here today.

Thank you.

I wanted to give you your moment.

Thank you.

But how many times do you have to do it?

And you do donate to.

Michael Fundy. Do you feel like you've gotten more comfortable advocating for yourself in moments in your career where you're like, "Oh, I don't really want to wear that," or, "I don't want to do that"? Or do you still feel like you're kind of malleable in moments when people need you to be what they want you to be?

I think, I think you, you have to be malleable. That's part of the job, you know? So Lin Ramsey for Diamond Love wanted me to cut my hair and get, like, mullet bangs and, like, die a platinum blonde. And, like, that's the gig. Like, you know, I ended up loving the hair. But I didn't think I was going to. Yeah, you, you have to be malleable. I think I, I'm definitely, I speak up more because I'm also aware of the place that I have in the industry.

It is great. I also think it's, like, such a weird thing where, especially as women, you're like, "Oh, wow. I," you slowly gain more power as you have more success in this industry. And power I use lightly because, like, still as women, it's like they.

Yeah, 'cause you can't use it.

No, no, no.

Then they'll, they'll get mad at you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're like, "Oh, maybe I, like, could say a little something for these people in this position." Maybe then you couldn't have said that back all the way. Maybe at, like, Hunger Games, let's say, where you were just starting off. And I think something that I have even struggled with in my career is, like, we have to be aware of our likability. It's like, where do you find the balance now where you're sitting today of, like, stressed as a woman in this industry about if people like you or not?

It's, it's, you can't let it influence your decisions, you know? Like, getting into hairspace is, like, I'm sure people are going to have a lot to say. And I think it's, I think it's scary. This is the first time I'm doing something that I have, I, I really don't have experience with this. Nothing to, like, kind of fall back on. 'Cause I've dealt with stress in the film industry, and there's not really a scenario that I'm handling that I haven't handled before or in some capacity.

How did you not lose all your hair?

I don't know.

Oh.

'Cause I was using Mess.

Yes.

20 years ago, I was using it. But it was obviously, like, fried. And I, I had no agency over my hair. It wasn't until I got, I was in the Hunger Games and I really wanted to use a wig 'cause I was tired of dying my hair brown, and they were refusing to give me a wig. And so I had my first tiny little protest of giving myself the worst haircut anyone has ever seen in their life, which was the pixie, famously.

The pixie. Yeah.

Like, having a crush on somebody and know, knowing that those pictures are out on the internet. Anyway.

But he didn't know you when you had the pixie?

He didn't know me then.

So, you know.

But I was just like, "I have a crush on you. Please don't Google me. Please don't Google me, like, around 2013."

Those will be the first buzzes that come up.

So once all my hair was off, growing it back, I just became obsessive about the health. And so, I don't know. I'm, I'm excited by it. And it's, I have a lot of, like, creative energy that I'm excited to, like, expand on. So, and I know that they're good. I know that the products work and that they're good. So that obviously is a huge relief. I know that part.

I was going to say, like.

I can sleep at night.

That will stand the test of time. If you've got a great product, then you can kind of sit back, relax, and you can enjoy the show.

Yeah.

Okay, let's transition. I want to talk to you about motherhood. Because, you know, we've been referencing our brains a little bit in this interview, and I appreciate you meeting me there.

Totally.

I think that's something a lot of people talk about is, like, their readiness to be a mom, right? Like, "Oh, my gosh, how did you know you were ready? And did you feel ready?" And there's been so many people asking me that question. And I was curious for you personally, what was that experience like? Did you know, "Okay, now's the time"?

I wanted to be a mom for so long. And, you know, didn't find the right person. And then I found the right person, and then we were married, and then we wanted to be, like, married for the right time. So I kind of, like, I wanted it so badly that I kind of, like, waited for him to be like, "Okay, it is now an acceptable time for you to ask me for a child." And I was like, "Please." But I felt, like, ready. But I also, like, there's also, I understand when people are like, "You're never going to feel ready."

What were you completely unprepared for?

You know, your vagina will bounce back, your butthole won't.

I don't know if I needed to hear that before giving birth. I'm like, "Wow, wow, Jen."

Unprepared, you're unprepared for all of it.

Yeah.

All of it. And everybody's like, "Your instincts, your instincts. You have no idea what you're doing. There's no in." I remember women being like, "You'll be able to hear the difference with the cries." And then I'm like, "I can't hear the difference with the cries. Like, I'm such a bad mom."

Jen, what's going to happen to my butthole?

I'll tell you. I will tell you.

Really?

Once I can get into a heated place.

No.

I'll show you.

Oh, wow. You know what? Like.

I guess, yeah.

No one said that to me yet.

Really? Weird.

No, no one said that to me. And I've had someone be like, "Do you want to see my birth video?" And I'm like, "No, because I don't want to, I don't want to know yet."

That person sounds really, really gross and weird.

You, literally, five minutes ago.

Yeah.

But I, I, yeah, I'm, okay, I'll, we're going to circle back before you leave on just, like.

Okay.

What you meant by that.

Okay.

And by the.

I need, like, three minutes.

Yeah. And by the time you explain it to me, can you lie to my face? Because you are a good liar. Whatever you were, what the honest truth is, lie. 'Cause I still gotta, I gotta do it.

Yeah.

And I don't want to be giving birth thinking, "What did you say about my asshole?"

There's no going back. That thing's coming out.

I know. Okay. How has it changed your relationship with yourself?

I mean, I just, I'm so ruled by guilt. I'm trying not to be, I'm, you know what? I'm not ruled by guilt.

Why? Like, what do you mean?

You just, you, you're never doing enough. You're, you're never, you're never there enough. But if you're there too much, then, you know, they're too attached and then they're never going to go to school. And you're, you're just never, I don't think I've ever just, like, gotten into bed and been like, "Wow, God, I'm such a good mom." And I know I'm a good mom. I know. And I, it's just, it's hard to pat yourself on the back because this job is so important and you love your kids so much that it's hard to just be like, "Good job."

And you can hear it from maybe other people be like, "You're doing a great job," but you yourself, it's hard to.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

How has it changed your approach to your career?

It has been really great for my career.

Okay.

And the way that, like, not for my career, but for my work, I don't, I've never really needed structured time before. I've never, you know, my, I have never had to kind of, yeah, structure my time. And so when you have kids, you have to be very mindful about what hours are spent where, what you're going to do and how, or you're not going to get anything done and you're going to fail at both. So I'm really structured with my time now, which is just something that I never thought about or saw for myself.

Okay, so to me, give me one piece of advice that I'm opening it up, you're allowed to give me advice. New mom coming into this, what should or should I not do?

Don't start, don't worry that your kid is, like, bored. Don't, when they get into the car seat, don't just hand them something right away, you know? And, like, that's something that, like, you have to get over 'cause you'll be like, "They're bored. They're bored. They're this, they're that," you know? And it's like, they're not. They're not. Their neurons are, like, quadrupling and they're, like, seeing a tree.

They've never seen a tree before.

Yeah. And, like, don't just give them a vice.

Okay. How has being a mom and a career woman and a wife, all the things impacted your female friendships?

My bowel.

Yeah. Well, me literally clenching my bowel for the rest of this whole interview, being like, how has it affected your friendships? Do you have friends?

They're over. They're done. I don't know. The mom community is so important and I, it helped me so much. Like, going to the baby classes and, like, moms from school. Like, I remember when I had bad postpartum with my second, I, like, got on the elevator and one of the moms was just like, "Are you okay?" And I just wasn't. And I was just like, "I'm really scared. Every day I have such bad anxiety. I feel like I'm being chased by a tiger." And, like, one of the moms, like, heard and hugged me and just, like, gave me her number and, and just talked to me.

It really is. And I, again, prior to even thinking about having a kid, would have just been like, "Okay, I can't relate to that." And now being pregnant, so much of what I've been going through, it has been really nice to see other women who are like, "Oh, my God, don't worry. I've done that before and I've messed that up and all the things." Like, it makes you feel way less alone. Because, again, I love my husband and he really is, like, my partner and all this, but I'm like, "You literally don't understand what I'm physically going through."

Yeah.

So to have another woman talk to me about her butthole, like, it's just something that Matt and I will never connect on. Do you know what I mean?

Your butthole too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he just, he'll just, he'll just never understand it.

Yeah.

You have a secret TikTok?

I do.

That you use to rage bait people in the comments.

Yeah. And I think I'm just going to, like, take that live. I think I'm just going to, it's about time I just take the mask off.

Really?

Yeah, I think so. 'Cause I'm literally, I'm arguing about, like, Victorian, you know, ancestry.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. What's on your For You page?

My FYP is, like, the long skincare things.

Okay.

You know, like, where the girls wake up and they're like.

Oh, yeah, those ones where they're, like, wearing the whole shield over their hair and they take it off and roll it.

Yeah. Oh, by the way, like, your pores can't breathe.

No.

Like, you can't sleep like that.

And also, how do you sleep like that? It's a whole thing, the rollers.

No, I don't. Hair, a lot of hair stuff. And at recipes.

Oh, you're a cook.

Well, I can cook.

Yeah.

I, I, I haven't cooked as much.

Okay.

Lately.

So have you gotten into any fights online?

With other celebrities?

No.

Oh, with strangers all the time. Every day.

What are you fighting about?

I told you. English tutor history.

Like, what are, and what's your take? Like, what are we saying?

It depends on what the situation is, you know?

And are you doing this while you're, like, sitting on the toilet, like, while you're, like, in the car? Like, when are you most rage baiting people?

God, can you imagine sitting on the toilet without your phone?

No, I literally got up.

It's being a loo.

I literally got up the other day 'cause I was like, "I got to go get it before I go to sit down."

Yeah, I know. I know. Isn't that so dark?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's so, like, lonely.

I know. I'll sometimes, like, put a podcast in to walk from my bedroom, like, downstairs to my kitchen. Like, what am I going to listen to on these 13 steps?

Okay, so you're doing your best rage bait comments maybe.

I, all day, every day. You know, there's not really, yeah. If I'm breathing, I'm rage baiting.

Let me get your take on a couple things. How do we feel about people who post their Spotify wraps at the end of the year?

I, I'm, I find that really uncomfortable. I don't know who could be that extroverted.

What are you listening to?

I listen to the same three songs. I, I don't know how to find new music.

Name the three songs, Jen.

I really, really don't want to do that. I, I can't. I, I, that's too private. It's so private.

It's so incredible.

Of all the things we've talked about today, that is so deeply private.

Even when my Spotify wrap does happen, I don't want to look at it.

I feel like if we were listening to a song and you were like, "What are you imagining right now?" And, like, I had to tell you. And I'm like, "I'm a record producer and I wrote this song."

When you would go on dates with men and they're like, "What kind of music do you like?"

Oh, I am. Ugh. Just don't check.

Like, there's, I don't even, I don't even know. I've lied in the past. I'm like, "Well, what do you like?" I'm like, "Same." 'Cause it's just too vulnerable.

Yeah. My answer used to be, "God, I hate this."

Okay, give it.

Good of everything. But that's not true. I really, I cannot stand the sound of a saxophone. It does something to my inner, like, ear.

Oh, good to know.

Ugh, I hate it.

Okay. How do you feel about glam bots on the red carpet?

What is that?

You know it.

Is that somebody who's a computer?

You're like, "Obviously, I know what this is." It's when you're on the red carpet. You go to red carpets.

I do.

They have these at the Oscars. They go one, two, three, and there's a camera up here. And then it moves, it's the one that moves memory. And then you turn.

Humiliating.

I've humiliated.

It's not humiliating when other people do it, but the act of doing it is humiliating.

What do you think your pose would be? It gets you, like, right in the act where you're like, "Yay, bad, bad, bad." Yeah. I actually could see you just doing it and giving straight face.

Yeah. And it's being.

That's, that would be, yeah, maybe you should do it next time you go on the carpet. We got to go reality TV takes, okay?

Yeah.

If you had to pick best reality TV show of all time.

Van Der Pump Rules. The OG.

Yeah, specifically the first couple seasons.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know what I did to you, but you can get me a pretty good ratio.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack's Taylor.

Jack's Taylor.

OG.

Oh my God.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kristen Doughdee.

Oh.

Oh.

Please.

It was, something was in the air.

Yeah.

I agree. I was trying to think about it and I was like, I think that I do have to give Jersey Shore credit because.

Oh.

It's, it's like, it really did something for the culture.

Here's the thing. Your question, what is the best reality TV show ever? You're right. It is Jersey Shore or, like, the real world or, you know, I think for me and my universe, I guess I would say Van Der Pump Rules.

No, no, no, that's actually fair. Like, for you, it's the best. No, for me, I would have been, like, Laguna Beach in the Hills. Like, that for me coming up.

Oh my God, can you imagine? Remember LC's purse with the big ring?

Do you remember her house?

Yeah, of course.

Oh my.

Her dad.

Her dad. I was like, I'm sitting in my room eating my hair with my sister. We live in a cul-de-sac in Pennsylvania. I don't even know where Los Angeles is on the map. And we're sitting there watching these women and they are just so beautiful, so gorgeous. Their outfits, their everything.

And they have, like, boyfriends. Like, full boyfriends who, like, drive them in cars.

And they're wearing, like, the Chanel big glasses. And, like, Jason picks her up in a convertible.

I know.

Like, I was so enthralled with that world and I couldn't even imagine. And then when Kristen Cavalieri comes on the scene and, oh my God, I was so obsessed with it. So I think it really, like, impacted who I wanted to be, you know?

You are, and I want you to know in my culture, I think in our shared culture, this is the nicest thing I could say to you.

Oh God.

You are as beautiful as Kristen Cavalieri.

I.

Please accept these compliments from my culture.

You're gassing me up 'cause you know I'm not feeling great about my pregnancy. You know how I'm feeling. Thank you.

I really believe that.

You are as beautiful as LC.

Thank you.

We're feeling good today. How do we feel about dad talk?

Not, not good. I don't like dads. I, I don't, I hate it. I hate dad talk.

It's, it's.

Feels like you're riding on their coattails and also you are mad at them for the success that they have and for the, the income that they're bringing into the home. Not only are you copying it, you are then belittling them and you are angry at them that you didn't do it first.

I so agree with you.

God, I'm mad.

Fuck. We both start crying.

Yeah.

Okay. What dating show, let's pretend you're single. Your husband's gone. Your kids don't exist. We're back in the day, Jen.

Okay.

What dating show would you crush? Like, if you went on this, you're like, I would be a rising star.

Hmm. I love that.

That's good.

I think, I think Love Island because it's about the girlies. Like, 'cause I wouldn't be able to be, like, competitive with, I would have to be, like, if we're not friends, I'm going to cry.

Okay. And then you would feel good about, like, pulling men for chats. Do you think your chat game is strong?

No.

Oh.

I don't think so. But I'm just trying to imagine me in, like, Love Is Blind. I'm just, like, blacked out.

You're in the wall. You're like, are you getting claustrophobic?

In Revolutionary War, I was, I was just arguing with somebody.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, because I wouldn't have my phone.

No.

So I would have to argue with the person in the wall next to me about historical facts.

I think you'd need to be, like, in person, in eye contact under the canopy.

Also, in Love Island, they're like only allowed two drinks or something. If, if I didn't have kids and this was, and I'm, and I'm uncomfortable and I don't have my phone, I, oh my God.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I would have a seizure from drinking so much.

You're bringing in a flask. You're hiding a flask in your drawer. You're having a good time.

Yeah.

Okay, I could see you on Love Island.

Thank you.

Oh my God, you should totally do a little, like, appearance.

Okay.

I mean, like.

No, no, no, I hear you. Great. I get it.

Megan Thee Stallion came in and, like, hosted a challenge. Do you think, do you think you would ever do that?

No.

No? Okay. Okay. Okay. Should Amanda and West have stayed on Summer House?

Well, obviously, I don't know the ins and outs of their deal. I think she said something like she was, she was getting, like, a pay doc or something. So, you know, that's, I mean, yes, I want, I, I want them to continue to be on the show. But I don't know what, I mean, God, it's just like, just don't do that. There are, you know, it's like, if you, if you have those feelings, sit with it for a minute, just, just make other choices.

Literally the last thing.

Yeah.

Andy Cohen said that you helped him get to the bottom of the Summer House reunion audio leak. Can you please explain?

I can confirm.

You can confirm, but you can't explain. Okay, so, like, you're, you're sleuthing.

I, I, I, I did it in way, everything was, like, public information. It was, it was actually quite easy.

You're in the chats. You're in the channels.

Yeah. I, I, I don't mind my own business. That's the thing about me.

And we all love that. Okay, who is Kris Jenner's favorite daughter?

Me. But Kylie, I think.

It's got to be Kylie.

Yeah.

It, it, it oscillates between Kylie and Kim, Kylie and Kim.

Yeah. Well, I don't know. Kendall's on her lock screen. Or was.

It should be Chloe.

Ugh, well, Chloe's my favorite sister.

Me too.

Yeah.

Which reality TV reunion would you be qualified to host?

Be qualified to host? I don't, I mean, none of them. 'Cause I can't, I, I wouldn't let any of them talk. And I wouldn't, the men. Like, imagine if I was hosting the Valley.

Oh my God.

Yeah. Danny.

You're not going to.

Couldn't sit with us.

So you just kind of, like, sit there and just take control.

Yeah. And then, like, if a, if a man tried to speak, even if nobody else was speaking, I'd be like, I'm speaking.

Shut up.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. A man to go on reality TV, it's a lot.

Yeah.

What is your housewife tagline? You have to have thought about this.

My name's Jennifer and I can't mind my own business.

Love. Love. Which housewife's fight was peak reality TV?

Salt Lake City with the receipts timeline.

It was pretty good.

Yeah.

I, I think also the flipping of the table by Teresa. Like, you can never, no, no.

Because she, she gets really fired up. It's kind of like Tamara. Like, Tamara freaks out about everything. So, like.

That's fair. Okay, we're closing out. I want to ask a couple more things about your hair care line.

Okay.

What do you think, product-wise, is your go-to favorite right now?

My go-to favorite right now? That's really hard to say because the, the root spray I cannot live without because it, it thickens my hair and it just, I might as well just not do anything if I'm not going to have the root spray. But I've noticed that when I don't use the mask now, like before, even if it's like one minute before I shower, if I don't use the mask now, it, my hair does not, I don't like, I don't love the way that it behaves.

Okay, so we're going for root spray and mask.

But the restyling serum, like, I'm going to be able to keep this blow out.

It's good.

For five days because of the, of the restyling serum.

Wow.

So that I think is the one that I can't live without because that one I can hold on to blowouts for days.

Oh, and that's nice. If you get a blowout from someone, then you just, you have them put that in.

That's what I do. I, or, or I'll blow my hair out until it's, like, damp and then kind of let it go natural a little bit and then I just use the serum to get the floofs out. So I guess the restyling serum.

It looks really good.

Thank you.

Okay, so how do you feel? Do you feel like you got everything off your chest? Any rumors you want to clarify? Any misconceptions? Any tea?

You know, the number one thing that I will read sometimes when I'm scrolling through comments and I see that people say this about other celebrities too, and it really drives me crazy, is when people think that celebrities have called and staged paparazzi pictures.

Let's talk about this.

It is so infuriating 'cause I'm like, what's more likely? What, let's just, let's play this out. What is more likely? That I live in the same building every day of my life and they know where that is. Or before I leave the house, I'm like, hold on, I have mismatching socks and a messy bun and I've, and I, I have to call this guy. I don't know how to drop a pin. Who would I call?

You know what, Jen? And I'm going to help you out here.

And it doesn't help my career.

No.

You're one of the people I don't think is calling the paparazzi on herself, but it's good to clarify today.

You know what would help my career? Anonymity. Mystique.

You're like, I need to be seen not.

You not see, if you couldn't see me unless I was in a movie, do you know how successful I would be?

Oh.

Yeah.

I'll be unstoppable.

You got to get you out of your head. I know. I've seen, I have seen a lot of paparazzi photos of you lately.

I know. I live.

Okay.

Oh, whoops. Sorry. But yes.

Bleep.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

You're like, you just told me you're in the.

I live in that building.

I live in that building. You know that.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they know exactly where to hit you.

Yeah.

That's good to know. I like that clarification. Thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. This was so fun. I feel like we went on many different adventures and I appreciate you really being in this Arctic tundra with me.

It's unbelievable how cold it is in there.

But like the nipples were hard, the hair looked good. Like you're, you look great. I know you don't feel it, but thank you.

I think I've burned like a thousand calories just trying to survive. So thank you.

Thank you for coming on.

Thank you for having me.