Transcript of E1029 - Love Is Blind's Joe, Timothy Simons, Myles Smith, RHOSLC, RHOP and Are Boyfriends Embarrassing?

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You're crazy.

What's going on, everybody? I feel I think you also were a little razz.

Too much dairy in the morning.

Yuck.

Not a sentence.

I like to hear it.

Not a sentence. I had a cappuccino. I had a cappuccino. I'm interested.

I'm sorry, I'm not a- Non-dairy plant-based drinker? Well, I don't have the stomach of a lady. All you ladies are always like, Dairy.

I will say Dairy's coming back, though.

No, not me. I love a dare.

Yes, name. My dare. Derry is coming back. It's coming back. It's making it come back.

Where did it go? Not for me.

Alma milk took over.

I've always gotten milk.

Currently drinking You were never on the trend.

You just stayed true. Academia milk.

Oh, my God. You've tried every nut. Every pistachio?

Did you know? That's crazy. You could milk any nut. I actually, honestly, didn't love that. That was great.

Good morning.

No, you guys, I don't even believe in the non-dairy for the trend. I was just like, wow, this is how my stomach is supposed to feel. That's crazy. You know?

Well, I'm your host, nick, joined by my wife, the spontaneous Natalie Joy.

Who doesn't have IBS. In case anyone was curious.

Okay.

Rub it in. Good for you.

You?

Oh, me? Do I have it? No, I don't have IBS either. I'm like a garbage disposal.

This is Susie Evans, by the way. Yeah, this is...

I'm Susie. Susie Evans. Yeah. Sierra, Mary, Justin, Lea. Everybody's here.

Wow. We got a full house.

We also have a packed episode, Joe from Love is Blind. Boxer Joe. Boxer.

Mustache Joe. Mustache Joe.

The one all the ladies want Joe.

The one who has a girlfriend is also doing podcasts.

I can't wait to ask about that.

He is with us to round out our Love is Blind coverage following the finale. In case you missed it, we did have Sparkle Megan and Jordan in studio together to talk about their experience on Love is Blind, their breakup, their fallout, Megan being a mother, all that fun stuff. We also created some Internet waves because they flew in to do the interview, and obviously, they were some sightings.

Of them together.

I love the drama.

Starting a little Internet drama. Thank you to us. Are we the drama?

Yeah. Did I send the pups? Did I send them out and say, Hey, go get them?

Yes, in the Denver airport. Also, in case you missed it, Shannon Bedore joined us on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, along with Ali and Anton from Love is Blind. So live Lots of Love is Blind coverage. Also, we had Shannon talk about the finale, that messy, messy finale. You know, spoiler alert, in case you were going to go back and listen to the full Jordan and Megan episode. But what I thought was really interesting, maybe that was out before, but they said that they were number 12 on their list. When they met in the past.

The second day, first day.

Whatever the fuck doesn't matter. We had a friend come over yesterday, and this friend was like, I'm supposed to go on a date tonight. I guess it was the second date She was like, I don't know. Should I go? Should I not go? He was fine. Fine. I guess she had a good time. Apparently, his profession was not glamorous.

It just wasn't long term career goals. There was just a job.

She was nitpicking here and there. She was nitpicking. Fine, as we all do.

But she was being intentional because she's like, I'm dating to Mary. I'm not dating to date.

Well, I don't know what that meant. Okay.

You don't know what that means?

Well, no, I know what that means, but my point of bringing it up is our friend used the I'm dating intentional to get married. And it was like, but what? Because you didn't fall in love on the first date? You're a little like, I can't go on a second date? Well, we had Sparkle, Megan and Jordan, and I know they didn't end up together. I'm curious what you guys think if you haven't listened to the episode, but for those who did, listen, they could have gotten together. I think they could have been happy together. I don't think maybe they were each other's person, but there clearly was some compatibility there. They met in a weird situation, whatever. I think they're both going to be happy without each other. But for them to come on the couch and have that episode, and there's clearly a mutual respect, I think they found a real connection there. I just think it's their proof that dating now is just we go on one date, we're just like, I don't know. You didn't check the box. They're going to knock me off my feet. I don't know. Do I want to take the time to get to know this?

It's just like that. You're not going to find your person that way.

You know what's crazy?

You're not going to find your person that way.

I was 20th on your list when we started talking.

There you go. She had to climb the charts.

Do you think the whole buzzword conversation with non-negotiables has gone over because now we're like, there's certain things that we won't negotiate on in relationships.

We've all used... The internet has made us stupider, and we're all using a bunch of words that don't really have it to me. To your point, everyone's dated a narcissistic gaslighting ex these days. Yes. For all the people who are out there being like, imagine what people are saying about you. Yeah.

Don't need to know that. That brought ruin my life. Don't need to know.

Someone has been like, That Mary gaslighted I'm a flyder.

Probably.

Definitely.

100%. You know what? You know what? That's not true.

They're also liars.

I think so. I think they're a liar.

But I thought Jordan and Megan, for It reminded us that we got to get to know people. You have to go on a few fucking dates.

Unless... I agree.

Having a boyfriend's uncool.

Right.

Let's talk about it. Exactly. I've been seeing a lot about this article, The Vogue article. Having a boyfriend's uncool. It's honestly adding- Written by a lonely woman.

I was about to say, was it written by a woman single?

For someone who hasn't seen this article, what do you mean?

I guess the essence of this article is basically that Dating a man or marrying a man used to be a symbol of status, and you're, I don't want to say elite, but a woman that's desirable. Now, men are downgrading women's lives. It's It's actually people who are posting content with their boyfriend. They're like, Oh, I get less engagement. People are like, Don't get a boyfriend. You're too good for him. I think that's the essence of the article is that now women have status on their own. It's like, you don't need someone to validate it.

That makes me so sad. No, it's so interesting because I just clicked on the article and the first couple sentences is actually something that nick and I have talked about before. It says, If someone so much as says my boyfriend on social media, they're muted. There's I hate more than following someone for fun, only for their content to become my boyfriendified suddenly.

This makes me so sad because this whole post is about status. I guess I don't know if it's about- And your esthetic and engagement. Yeah. It's like, Okay, sure. I don't think the boyfriends care.

I think it's more like- Whether you're helping them get more likes. Well, outside of that, I think what the core of this is, is just what are... And this is obviously, I think this article was very general. To get engagement, I think it was very general. I think this is a thing, but in a way more smaller vacuum of just, nick, you love to call men losers, right? I like to what? You like to call men losers. There are losers out there.

I think it's talking call men losers.

I think a lot of people are losers. Yeah, I think this is- It's not exclusive to... I think in this article's case, though, I think what the concept is, is these really, really great women dating these guys and being okay with these women being okay with dating losers. These women sound so aggressive.

I mean, you know what I mean? It's like, you know when you're girly- Who is the funny?

Listen, to me, it makes me sad for people because I don't care who you... Again, the premise of this article is about your status, and fine. I'm glad that people are finding meaning in life outside of exclusively who their partners are. Whoever you want to be with, our friend who came over, she's like, I just want to be alone tonight and watch a movie. It's great, but you have the rest of your life to be alone. Simultaneously, she's like, All I want is to be a mom and to get married. And that's her journey. That's not for everyone. But whether you want to get married or be a mom or date a tree. But life is just better when you have someone to share it with, whether it's a friend or a relative or a partner. This fact that people are selling a lie, which is all you need is your status on Instagram. Or that's a lonely feeling.

It's interesting that this article came out the same time that the most recent episode of Real Housewives of Potomac came out because it was... I felt like that episode was centered around Angel and how she always talks about Bobby, her husband, in ways that... Whether we want to get to know you, Angel, and not always hear you talk about Bobby. That's fine.

But for the people who do find joy in their life that they share it with, I don't think we have to Listen, we all have had that friend, right? Where they date someone new, and the next thing you know, it's just like, We fucking get it. You're in love. Where they're projecting. That is annoying.

Making your boyfriend your personality. I think that's what it is.

I think also what I think from this article is my honest opinion is anyone that this article influences to not date or to be like, Oh, it's actually uncool. If that's actually influencing you, then you probably are a loser to begin with. That's just my perspective where I'm like, If you're so influenced by this Vogue article, you probably are weird anyways.

It's not just the article, though.

Right. The discourse. The discourse, the culture around it. But I also think that anybody that is truly trying to find somebody, truly wants companionship, we're not going to read this article and be like, Oh, well, now I can't have a boyfriend because it's going to plunge engagement or whatever. I don't think it's going to actually affect. Also, I think maybe I'm that because I am obsessed when I'm in a relationship, so I don't want to succumb to this, I think.

Well, I just like that conversation I had with our friend yesterday. I don't think it's one article where you're like, You know what? I need to change my life. But I do think the overall discourse online is for men and women basically saying, I get it. We talk about this all the time. It's important to feel comfortable when you're single. It's important to find yourself when you don't have someone. It's important to take pride in all the things that you do in your life. But it's okay to say, I want to build my community. I want to have my family, whether it's more of a traditional family or whether it's untraditional, whatever it is, because we want to have our people to grow old with. I know. When our friend was just like, We need to get outside. People are not getting outside. They're like, doomscrolling. There's just too many excuses to flake on the date, to not go out, to not get yourself out there. We're just staying inside waiting for miracles to happen online or on first dates. That is why there's just a lot of lonely people out there. You have to take some risk.

My honest take on this is having a boyfriend is embarrassing. You should be like Kyle Richards and date a woman.

Okay, that's fair.

I will say this is just a funny... You guys mentioning somebody being ranked somewhere like Sparkle Megan and Jordan. I think I was closer to 10 than I was for Clayton on night one of The Bachelor. I do think there is something to giving people more time to get to know you because I think that...

Was that a conversation you all had of where did you.?

Yeah, I wanted to know everything. I was just like, I was so curious. I was like, How did this work?

Who was his number one on night one? It was Teddy.

I think that's who he gave his first impression was to. But yeah, I think it was closer to 10 than one. He picked me. That's crazy. And he picked me. That is crazy. Yeah, you can't. I think you got to give more than one date unless There's a giant red flag of I want kids, they don't.

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You and I stargaisin.

Also performed halftime of the Pittsburgh, Minnesota Vikings game in Ireland.

And Ireland, and that is how I know who he is. He's booked and busy.

Yes. Well, last time they had a musical guest, Alex Warren, who, a friend of show, really popped off.

Absolutely blew up.

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I was going to say Thank you, Pittsburgh Stealers.

Thank you, Alex Warren. That's very good. Thank you, Alex Moran.

In a story that maybe only I care about these days, Justin Bildoni took an L in the court system recently.

What happened there? Is that L basically... Because did he technically lose or was he just not- Not an expert here, haven't really paying super close attention.

I'm not a lawyer. I'm not- Emily D. Baker. I'm not Emily D. Baker. But I believe that the judge originally said, You don't have enough here.

He procrastinated on his homework and didn't get his work done.

You just We're going to dismiss that. It got dismissed.

He had a deadline, right?

But then they had a deadline to resubmit the claim if they actually had evidence or actual things that made it less They didn't have enough, so they dismissed it.

This was the second deadline to resubmit, or there is still a second deadline? No, it's over. It's done.

Okay. They were like, No, we're totally going to do it. Oh, my God, we got all this stuff. We haven't got around to it yet. Then the deadline has passed, which to me would, again, further show what I've always suspected that this was just his team trying to win in the court of public opinion and very much fight the fight online and continued to harass Blake and her team. But it seems like behind the scenes, things are getting brighter and better for the team Blake when it comes to the court.

Do we know if the case is Is Lisa Barlow dismissed, or are we still having that May, 2026? No.

As far as this particular case where it's Justin sued Blake Lively for $400 million, that is done, gone, L. Done. Dismissed. I guess he could file a different claim, I guess. He can make a poster board.

It was a $400 million defamation, extortion and defamation lawsuit against Blake and Ryan. It's officially been shut down after he missed. They failed to respond to an October 17th order asking why final judgment shouldn't be entered, prompting the court to formally close the case.

I would say that when they filed it, it was just in a retaliatory claim to distract from the actual claim, which is Blake accusing Justin of inappropriate behavior at the workplace and the online harassment and the PR campaign that his team, which I think it seems to be a lot of evidence on, and this was more a tactic to paint himself as the victim.

Everyone that he sued, all of that has been... He sued the New York Times.

The New York Times, it got dropped. They're counter-suing. He's taking a lot of Ls right now that you're not really hearing about, which is fascinating. It's almost as if he has a-He has power on the internet. Yeah, the PR campaign, really doing his work. Anyway. What the hell shit? Told you so.

Speaking of- This Billy Bobby Brown story?

Crazy.

Crazy. The David Harbor, evil, slimy creep.

I don't know the lure of him, but from the sound of it-It's dark. Yeah, I was going to say it sounds dark.

The fact that she felt compelled to file a bully harassment claim before they even filmed Season 5, which Credit to her. Like, pop off. Like, very scary, as we now know, again, back to the Blake and Justin, especially for any victim, and especially for women in a workplace. It can be very scary to come forward to say, I feel this person is making me feel uncomfortable because so often there's a lot of retaliatory response to this or making them sound crazy or they're the problem. So credit to Millie Bobby Brown for coming forward. But then you like, yeah, if you find out the lore about this David guy, Yeah.

He's currently getting divorced from Lily Allen, right?

Yes. And Lily Allen, scathing album. Yeah. About this man.

There's just a lot of darkness around this guy. The Lily Allen album, too, is crazy because she talks about how he forced her into an open relationship. And how he pushed all these insecurities on her, and then eventually, he just ended the relationship, the marriage. Ended the marriage. And she talks about how there's other women and mistresses named Madelyne. Oh, my goodness.

I need to listen to that.

Segway to the Jennifer Lawrence interview. She did an I did an interview with... Listen, again, we're not a political show. I really appreciated Jennifer Lawrence talking about this. She was basically like, We now know, regardless of what side you like, but the celebrity endorsement is useless. And yet so many celebrities are pressured into giving their political commentary on topics that maybe they're not even that well-versed, only to honestly bring a lot of heat and criticism and trolling in their direction that only causes them. It just hurts. It hurts them. It hurts them. It hurts them. It's bad for their mental health, and it hurts them. It alienates half of their audience. She just talked about, I want to do things that bring people together. We live in a device of time. I thought it was just a really nice interview to just talk about inclusivity rather than exclusivity. Then she wants to focus on topics and themes that are welcoming to all people. Because I think we're now finally recognizing that saying we live in divisive times and then continuing to be divisive isn't the answer.

Yeah. What she also said in that interview that I thought was really interesting was she basically was saying that she didn't want her personal opinion opinions to keep people from engaging her with her work that she's choosing because they reflect a lot of her opinions. The art, the pieces that she's choosing to do is what she believes in. She's like, I think it's worth a lot more to have this, let's say, whatever movie she's in that reflects ideas that she's really passionate about. She wants that to be her statement on it versus her words. I love that. That part of it, I is really cool. And I also think there's a difference between artists and actors who are activists, because I think there is overlap a lot of the time. And I think those people are in a different space than your actor who's, like what you were saying, just endorsing for endorsements' sake versus the people that that is very much what they're passionate about and what their art is about. So I think there's a difference. And I think it's a really interesting conversation that she opened up.

I do, too. I also think that so often the bridge for people is just compassion and understanding. And really, that's just getting to know somebody. And especially for an actor, if you're playing a part of somebody that you feel passionate about the topic of whatever the movie is about, it's like somebody is going to fall in love with your character and have compassion for people that that character is representing. So it really makes so much sense. And I actually love... I appreciate what she said to an extent. I think it's a really great way to look at it. And I think also there is this pressure to advocate and speak and talk. And there are things that I'm super passionate about. But if I do talk about it, I do feel like it just alienates so many people. And I'm like, it just becomes an echo chamber.

Speaking of celebrities, did you all see that Tom braided revealed that his current dog, Juni, is a clone of his late dog, Lua, who died in December of 2023? He's an investor in this company, Colossal Biosciences, and he basically worked with this company for a second chance with a clone of their beloved dog.

That's crazy. Crazy. Jeff, It sometimes sleeps on my head.

Does it work in humans, you think? If I die, it's me.

I'm not sure.

I'm sure they're working towards it.

I would think that clone Jeff might rip my neck out in the middle of the night. It's just a giving of horror story.

Because the memories aren't there, just the biology, right?

Yeah. Then what if something hits a little different and then they're a little crazy?

Would you clone me or would you go for something new?

You know what? I think our time would be done.

I think clones take That is the thing with people and with pets. It's like the time you get to spend together because it's limited is what makes it so special. Do you think he also have a couple of clones of Giselle just in his house that he doesn't let leave? That's terrifying. That is terrifying. I do think that's true.

She's Giselle without a voice.

No, 100%. She can't speak. But it's her.

But also it makes me feel sad. I think I get that, loving a dog so much that you're like, Oh, I want to have this dog forever. But I don't know. But I'm like, It's never going to be the same.

It's unnatural, but I'd try it.

Yeah, if I could clone my dog. It's disgusting, but I'd probably do it.

Give me 14 of them. Love it.

Well, apparently, they also previously cloned Paris Hilton's dog and Barbra Streisand's dog. This is a celebrity cloning company.

Tom braided is in the diva universe.

They have 15 successful cloned species.

Make it 17.

Including the black-footed ferret and If someone's horse.

Know what they should do when they make clones of people. If for no other reason, you should have to hang out with your clone. I think they had a nightmare. Like, lock in a room. I think I'd like a nightmare. Just so everyone can realize how insufferable they are.

I'm going to say, haven't you seen the movie Us? Yeah.

Thank you.

I think I'm a Narcissus because I'm like, I would love that. I think it'd just be so interesting.

You're like, Can you turn around so I could see what the back of your hair looks?

No, literally. I'd be like, bend over, jump up and down. I want to see how everything works and looks.

Me, Clown Maryam. Let me see the back of your hair.

I'm just being like, Sure.

Did you imagine a clone nick arguing with nick?

Oh my gosh. It would be never ending.

We come back two days later. I'm like, You guys haven't moved. They're still going.

They're doing it going deeper.

Always right, never wrong meet.

You're both interrupting each other.

I'm so likable.

We would just get bored of talking and be like, Do you want to just smoke weed and watch Mad Men? Then we would do that for six hours, and then we would be cool. But I think the conversation, we would both get really annoyed with each other.

And celebrity drama only maybe I care about. Daniel Day-Lewis says Brian Cox, has dragged him into a debate that he didn't want to be a part of. Am I the only one who knows who these people are on this show?

I know who both of them are.

Okay. Daniel Day-Lewis. Many people think he's the greatest actor of our time. Famously, when it comes to method acting, he was probably the person he really put method acting on the map. Put a face to it. Put a face to it. Brian Cox, also, he plays the dad in succession.

Succession.

Oh, okay.

A lot of good stuff.

Oh, I thought he was a Breaking Bad.

You are not serious people. He was the dad in the ring of Samara. He was the dad in the ring.

He was the dad in the ring.

He was the dad in the ring. The guy's name in Breaking Bad.

Brian Cranston.

Got you.

Yeah, different.

But the same.

Both named Brian. Both Cee last names. Brian Cox has apparently had said some things about what his opinion of method acting. Jeremy Strong, who is his co-star in succession, also famously known as a method actor. And method acting, I guess in some spaces, gets criticisms because I imagine it can be obnoxious. Like Jared Leto. Yes, I read it. I think some method actors use an excuse to just be an asshole on set and troll their stars. It was like, whoa, Joker.

Yeah.

Wasn't he leaving dead animals in their trailer or something? Okay, that's too far. But he's a Joker.

Did you guys ever watch that documentary when Jim Carrey was Andy Kaufman in a movie, and then they made a documentary about Jim Carrey going full method as Andy Kaufman. It's freaky. It's really good.

Is it a horror?

No. It's a jockey-thrish. Yeah, but again, listen, various opinions about it, but Daniel Day-Lewis, it's really part of his process, his craft. He takes it seriously, yada, yada. He goes, Brian Cox is a very fine actor who's done extraordinary work. As a result, he's been giving a soapbox, which he shows no sign of climbing down from. What a dig. Anytime he wants to talk about it, I'm easy to find. This is like Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone, fighting online about their acting process. It's awesome.

It's awesome. How eloquently he threw shade.

It's like a couple of old men being drama queens. I'm living for it.

Apparently, he has a soapbox.

There should be a housewives version of just very serious, very intelligent talented old men. Just being like, I disagree. If you would like to climb down off of your soapboxer.

If you want to talk about it, I'm easy to find. He wants to meet in the alley in The thing is, that is basically what Conclave was as an entire movie, was just a bunch of old diva men being like, I do not know if you are as talented as you think you are.

Well, really quickly, continuing on with some celebrity drama, we had Whitney Levet last night on dancing with the stars. Obviously, Jen got eliminated last week. And this week, Whitney was asked about the feud that's been speculated between the two of them because there was maybe an alleged smirk that Whitney gave after Jen was eliminated, some online feud started, and then Whitney was asked about it. What did she say? She said this. This was her response to being like, Hey, your mom talks sister. It looks like there's a feud. Is everything good? I'm trying not to focus on that.

Just trying to focus on all the people that are supporting us because I'm so grateful for them.

It motivates us.

It keeps us going.

So thank you.

Perfect. Perfect.

I I was like, All right. I have a Twitter buddy who we only talk packers. Shout out Jake from... I think he lives in Lake North Dakota. I don't know. We've never met in person. I love that.

Oh, my God. You have a mutual? It's his pen pal.

It's like his pen pal.

That's so nice, actually.

That's really wholesome. We text him about the packers. Anyways, he texted me yesterday. He's like, Watching, dancing with the stars. He's like, That Whitney. Really good dancer. Seems like a terrible person. I didn't respond.

nick did not feed into I did not feed into it.

You're like, buddy, we want her on the show. We love her.

But that is interesting that that's her response.

I will say it is crazy because I was like, her going on dancing with the stars has been like, rewriting her reputation from Secret Lives of Norman Wives. Then that one moment of Jen getting eliminated and her looking happy about it was just like, and then she was at the bottom three this week. I'm like, I think-Whitney was? Yeah, Whitney was at the bottom three.

It'll get you.

She's an excellent dancer. Listen, I know people thought I was hard on her at the reunion. I love Whitney. She mesmerizes me. I love her.

She's a reality TV star on reality TV.

She's a reality TV star. Her facial reactions, I'm obsessed with her TikToks, her commitment to the bit, and she can never get out of her own way. She just can't. I mean, that's like, what an amazing response to that question.

Because she can't lie. I'm trying not to focus on it. I love everyone who's supporting me. All she had to say was, Jen was a great dancer and did such a great job.

It was so sad to see her leave so soon. Even if you...

Yeah, you'd be like, Oh, that's so silly. We love each other.

Yeah, but why would she? We're mom We're Mom Talk sisters. You know what?

I'm not really focusing on that right now.

Who else was in the bottom three. I watched all the dances. I didn't see the result. I know that Danielle Fisher went home.

It was Danielle, Andy Richter, and Whitney.

Love that Andy was saying.

I love that they still going through.

I think it was humbling because I feel like it's one of those things where she's thinking she's on the up. She keeps winning, and everybody doesn't really understand why she gets the best scores every week.

Best scores every week is not a good thing.

No. The fact that she's doing better than some people that we... Jordan, a lot of people feel the last couple of weeks has been shorted by her scores. Whitney's last two dances, it just didn't really hit the way that some of the best ones that she's done already. I'm like, Alex, consistently great. Dylan, growing. Robert Irwin and Whitney, crushed.

Listen, I probably have a little bit of Whitney inside me, where I think Whitney is a perfectionist. She's a hard worker. She's a grinder. She will always bet on herself. She will never... If she can control the outcome, you can count on her to do it. But she has a hard time showing vulnerability. You don't want to root for her because she's so good at rooting for herself. Yeah.

Maybe that's it. You don't need fans because you are your number one.

Quick, who's your top three? I'm still going to say Dylan.

Top three? There's six left.

I know.

Alex, Rob, and Dylan. Alex, Dylan, and Rob.

Oh, my gosh. It's so hard three because I feel like Whitney could be in it, but I'm the same, and Whitney's my swing.

I'm between Alex and Rob for first.

Sorry, Dylan.

Well, we'll find out in a few weeks. Up next, we got Joe from Love is Blind. Let's get to it.

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Joe, welcome to the show.

How's it going? Thanks for having me.

Good to be with you. Thanks for joining us. First of all, mustache looks great.

Hey, I appreciate it. I'm getting mixed reviews, but I'm keeping it. Fuck them.

Also, it seems like you got a little apartment upgrade because on the show, you were living out of a Truly. Just a real box.

No, that was an Airbnb, according to the internet.

Oh.

No, that was my place, and it was a shoe box. Yeah, I don't know. It didn't look great.

Yeah. Why would you Airbnb that.

Yeah, that's got to be.

No offense.

No offense taken. Yeah, I had bars on the windows. I could barely fit into the bathroom. I was actually sleeping on my friend's couch nine months or probably six months before that. He was like, Hey, are you going to go get a place? I was like, Yeah, for sure. I get what you're trying to tell me right now to leave my apartment. I went and got that place because it was very cheap and I didn't know where I wanted to be. It was just a nine-month lease. Thank God I'm out of there. But yeah, this is my apartment now.

Okay, love that. I love that.

It looks good. It looks good. High rise.

It looks good. Well, Joe, before we get into everything, I just want to say I enjoyed you this season. I found you to be humorous and fun, and we certainly had some fun at your expense. I hope that's okay. But all things considered, you really were entertaining, and thanks for being a part of a fun season.

Hey, you can find some enjoyment out of some of the shit I did on there. The Sheeshow, that was season 9. It's all good.

It's all good. First question, why is your girlfriend still doing podcasts?

My girlfriend? No, she did one. Okay. And that was a no-go.

Did she run that by you?

Yeah, they reached out to her independently, and I was like, Do what you want. I'm not going to say yes or no, but I really should have said no. Yeah. I probably should have done it differently, but you can't go back.

You live and you learn. But was there a fallout from that interview? I would love to hear your perspective on why you think you should have said no.

Just to stay probably in the good graces of certain media companies, I would say. But yeah.

Yes, of course. Yes.

No fallout, I would say, with anybody that she talked about on there. But yeah, it probably just wasn't a smart idea, and I would have done it differently, looking back now.

Was she at the reunion?

She was not. No. I took both of my sisters. I think I only got two tickets, and my sisters were going to be there. I also didn't want to subject her to that because I knew what was going to go down. I also wanted to be in high spirits after and not have to... I don't want to say feel the wrap because she wouldn't have made me feel any certain way after, but I just know that that probably would have got under her skin.

Throughout the season, you seemed...

Intoherent?

Well, Honestly, just like the running joke on all these shows, whether it's Love is Blind or The Bachelor or whatever, these crazy experiments that people sign up for, which is like, you know what you signed up for, which we can get in the weeds of whether that's true or not, but you truly looked like you found out after the pods that you're supposed to marry this person, and you were like, as if they kidnapped you, which for all the Internet people, that's not what they do. But You were like, marriage? At what point did it really dawn on you that the expectation is to potentially get married to Madison?

Yeah, it dawned on me throughout the whole show. I knew what I was signing up for. Maybe it didn't look like that, but it was wild to me when they said three weeks, and I was like, Oh, three weeks? Yeah. Let's see if we can get there in that amount of time. At that point, it was swirling in my head.

Six weeks was more palpable at the time?

Yeah, six and a half, it would have been fine.

How do you feel now that you're, I would assume, not drunk right now, sober?

What time is it? You assumed wrong.

He's like, Excuse me, I have to throw up.

This is when I start.

It's about 10: 00 in the morning.

What is your opinion right now of nick?

Of nick? I like nick. Honestly, he's very nice. My bad on that one. I let the drunk thoughts win, and they won big time. But I have no ill will towards nick. I think he has a good heart, sometimes a little misunderstood. It was a crummy thing for me to say at the time because I wouldn't want to watch it back and see somebody else talking about me on there. But he's a unique guy, and I think he is a decent person.

That's what I wanted to say.

That was nice. He's somebody's guy, not my guy.

Yeah, he's a guy. I like nick.

A big part of Anton's storyline was his drinking. Who drinks more, you or him? Or Annie? I don't know.

Who drinks more?

I actually Damn it, you guys got me. Probably, unfortunately, me. I've never seen Anton get a little crazy. My thing is, I just don't want to stop, right? I probably shouldn't say that, but I always want the good time to keep on going. But I've laid off a little bit, and it doesn't help. I work two nights a week at a bar as well, and that doesn't help at all.

Okay. Going back to Baha, where we saw you get absolutely hammered for the first time, I think nick and I were very much like, This dude is hammered. This is not the time to have this conversation with him, Madison. Maybe let's try again.

I was more like, Just say you're drunk.

I'm drunk.

She knew I was drunk, too. And I was like, Yeah, I'm hammered. I'm going back. I don't think that got in there. But obviously, I think everybody knew I was drunk. And yeah, I had about four hours to sleep it off, but I was in a different dimension when I woke up. And I don't know if I've ever been. Actually, I have been to Mexico before, and that happens every time. So I don't know I would try to lie to you guys like that. It's Mexico. That's not your- Yeah, I mean, but now it's just on camera, right? And it's a new experience where there's cameras around you and you're engaged to somebody that you just met a week and a half ago. So there was a lot playing into it. The dynamic was different. And yeah, I wish I could have just been sleeping, to be honest.

Was that part of your reaction when she woke you up and you woke up and then saw all the cameras in the boom operator? Is that a little bit why you acted the way you did, or were you just there?

Yeah, I'm sure. They actually came in once before that that wasn't on camera and woke me up. I think I was just saying nonsense. I barely remember that? That might have not even happened, but I'm pretty sure it did. Then the second time they came in, which was I needed some food. That was my deal. I woke up and I think tensions were a little high. She wanted for me to come over and comfort her, and I was just not even in my right mind to comfort myself. It was not a great look, I would say. But yeah, I just wish I was sleeping during that.

Has your girlfriend watched the season back or she stayed away from it? Oh, yeah.

She has. No, she watched it all.

Was she a fan before you guys met? Of me?

Of the show. Was she a fan of the show? I think she might have watched a couple of seasons. I don't know if she was a huge fan, but yeah.

When you and Madison broke up and she was on the floor crying, I really appreciated that scene because I just thought it was really honest in the sense that when you know, you know, and you knew that you wanted out of that relationship. I really wanted a camera on you after you got in the hallway because she's on the floor crying. I imagined you jumping up and being like, I'm free.

You thought I was skipping out of there? Yeah.

Again, this is not against Madison. It's just more like you clearly wanted out of that situation situation. I couldn't help but think that you probably had a big sigh of relief. Take us into that hallway. What was that really like?

We had to go do interviews after that. I think they asked me a thousand different ways of what was it, why was it? Why was it? I don't understand. Nowadays, it's like, you don't need a reason. If somebody told me, Hey, this isn't it. You're not my person. We don't match on this, this, this, and this, I would leave it at that. I think a little bit, even at the reunion, it's like, Well, what was it? Help me out here. I just can't. It just wasn't it. There are certain things. I don't think our personalities really meshed. I think our communication was terrible. I take responsibility for a lot of that as well. I said, Sorry, 500 different ways, but that's it. The long and the short of it is I don't really think that I can say anything more that would be much much use or help anybody.

No, you're totally right. I did happen to write about this in my book. Don't text your ex happy birthday. Shameless plug. But no, when people want closure, it's just basically them asking you for more reasons why you don't fuck with them or why you don't like them. It's like you're asking the person to shit on you.

It's really painful for the individual.

What is it? Tell me why. I hate the way you dress. You don't want to say that. You just want to be like, Listen, It's just not working.

Let me go in peace.

It's me.

Yeah. That's the thing, too. We had a talk after, and that's where ended up making out. Definitely should not have done that. I think it was in the moment. It was familiar. There were still some feelings there, and I left, but I knew it wasn't that. Then I ran into her two weeks later at another party, and she said, Hey, I think it was just the cameras. I think it's this. I think it's that. I think it was just the awkwardness, and you were nervous. That's her go-to line. I think it's just the cameras. That happened a lot on the show and then after the fact as well. I just was trying to relay that it's not. I just this isn't going to work between us no matter how hard we try.

Well, all you did was fight and fuck.

Who instigated that kiss?

That was probably me. Who went night. We went and talked. We went and talked it out, and it It was not a great talk by any means, I would say. Then walked her to her car, and damn it, I shouldn't have done it. It was probably me. Yeah.

Yeah, I could see how that's a little confusing.

You love Bonder. You love Bounders. I'm kidding.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding, Joe. It was like a moment of weakness in that point of time.

I think it's allowed.

It's okay. Did you go into reunion knowing that you and Casey's would be chit-chatted about.

Oh, yeah. Everybody knew about that. From the two months after the fact that we got together, everybody knew about that. I think Madison had that talk with Casey at Mike's pool party, and it was... God, that was a rough one, too.

Why was Casey crying at the party?

At the party? I think she was hammered. Yeah, she was drunk. Everybody was drunk there. Denver, I'm going to say, you all got down in Denver.

It's in the air. It's that altitude.

It's the altitude.

It's a little bit of reprieve, right? Everybody's getting together, and so everybody wants to have fun. She was crying. I know she had some feelings for me, too. That was something that I also knew wasn't going to work. I don't know. Everybody was getting with everybody after the fact. Madison was mad about that. Madison was a little pissed at Casey. I know she was pissed at me. I think she thought it was inappropriate, but I don't feel like I owe her anything after the fact.

Like inappropriate for you guys to date or talk?

Yeah, it was about a month, month and a half, I would say, that we were together, and I just didn't feel like I owe her anything.

Did you date Casey longer than you dated Madison?

Yeah, I did.

Madison seems to think that there was a little bit of overlap. Was there?

Overlap in what relationship? That sounds bad.

Well, if you want to talk about all the overlap, we're I'm here.

I'm here. Ask me anything. You guys are asking me good questions.

I love Joe.

I love Joe. I've been on interviews, which they just asked me the same five questions, and I want to jump off the ninth floor over here.

Well, specifically, I get ninth floor. That's pretty good.

That's pretty good. It's moving up. It's moving up.

I'm not on the 11th.

Specifically, I guess Madison said at Reunion, the reason that you and her ended is because you and Casey started up something, and it It distracted your head, I guess, something along those lines.

Yeah.

Honestly, that was a shock to me because I heard it in interviews before even the reunion, so I knew that was coming, but it was a huge shock. And you know what? No, that had nothing to do. I was the one that said, Googleyize, right? She was like, Joe, in your own words, you said, Googleyize. Yeah, I went back and told her that. She was across the bar, and I'm sure Casey was being a little too extra friendly. All the women were that we haven't seen ever. They were saying, Hey, this It doesn't work out, blah, blah, blah. They were saying that to everybody. I went and told her that because we had a long conversation, probably 6 hours in the night, no sleep. What you see the next day is rehashing it a little bit more. But yeah, I was so surprised at hearing that because I don't know if that's something that made her feel a little bit better or that was the closure she wanted, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Which other women confessed their love to you?

No.

Who was the overlap with?

There's that. No. I mean, just certain people that are like, Oh, this is nice meeting you.

Wink, wink.

Wink, wink.

Are you still wearing boxers?

Am I wearing boxes right now?

Yeah. Why not boxer briefs?

Those were swim trunks.

Do you wear boxer briefs?

No, I wear boxer briefs. Yeah, for sure. But those were definitely swim truffs because I'm going to go back and change, right? I'm going to get in bed.

You never know.

Joe, were you at that party where Brenda and Casey were allegedly cuddling? Yeah.

I wasn't there, but Brandon's my good friend. I still see him all the time when we work out together. I see all the boys all the time. Great relationships, but I wasn't there. Then I asked Brandon the fact I wanted to speak up because I never heard about that. Brandon would have told me about that. I I would have heard through the great buying through other people. Then I asked him about it, and he was like, No, that never happened. That's something that I wouldn't have done or I wouldn't even been close to. I think Brandon and Casey never had that. I just couldn't see it happening, but I didn't know. I didn't want to speak on it at the time. But Brandon reassured me, and he was like, No, that never happened. Not that I would care. But it was just a weird thing to pop off. I think they were going after Casey pretty hard on that because it's a group of women don't like her.

Where do you think Kate got that from? Do you think she pulled it out of her ass?

I don't know, actually. I can't really tell on that. But I think Kate and Brandon even talked about it. I think Brandon even talked about it with Casey at... Because we all went to Mile High to watch the reunion back. I even had a conversation with Madison there, too, and she was trying to rehash with me a little bit, and I just wanted to be anywhere about that conversation.

When we had Madison on, she- Did you watch that interview?

Yeah, I did watch that interview.

So you saw her accuse you of being- Of course. I guess the reason that she developed an eating disorder. What do you think of that? Because obviously that's a very- It's heavy. It's a heavy accusation. What do you think about all that?

I think, there again, didn't know about that until I saw it on the bio files and saw it on other interviews. This is nothing that has ever come up, and nor did I think she had any insecurities about it. That was a conversation we had. I did that interview. She didn't see that until it came out. But then I came back and we were talking and I said, more of the T women. That's usually what I go for. Should I have said that? Probably not. But I'm honest to a fault, maybe.

Were you responding to a question?

Yeah. I think we were talking about each other's types and what our past relationships looked like, and hers looked wildly different than me as well. But I said that, and she goes, Oh, okay. But I feel like I reassured her in that moment as well. I was like, No, you're beautiful. This is the person I'm going to try to make this work with.

Did she say her previous relationships were super tall, buff, big dick?

Big dick? Yeah. Why is she going for me? No, No, I mean, like variety, what she said. But that's the fact, too. If she did say, I need a 6, 5 guy, usually date 6, 5 guys. That's something that's not ever going to bother me. And just for her, to be honest, because that's the whole point of this experiment, right? You make that emotional connection, and then you try to make it work after the fact with this person that you haven't seen, right? I think I reassured her many, many times after the fact that she was beautiful and It was going to make it try. So that never came up ever after that. There was no insecurity surrounding about that. Are you not into me after that fact? Nothing. So that one sentence gave her an eating disorder, which if that I lived the experience that that's her lived experience, if that's hers, right? I apologize if that is the case, but it was incredibly wild for me to hear.

Have you ever had that conversation, just the two of you?

Yeah, that's what it was. It was that night in Mexico, and then we laid it, and that was it.

All said and done. I mean, her talking about creating an eating disorder. Had you ever talked about that? Have you ever apologized to her if that's the case?

How could I apologize to her if I didn't know about it? No, And then she came up to me at Mile High, and we chatted, and she was still angry about everything. We were talking about comments, and, Sorry, you're getting the ones you're getting. She apologized, The ones I'm getting. I said, Yeah, they don't bother me. And she goes, Well, I hope you listened to some of them because of your words and what you said. And I go, Okay. Yes, I will. But that was not the case I was making in any shame there. It's just something I probably just I would have kept to myself. But if somebody asked me what I went for in the past and what they looked like, I'm just going to be flat out honest and honest to a fault. So I did not mean to shame her in that. And if that's what she took from it, I am deeply sorry.

Well, thanks for answering that.

Yeah, it was a little wild. So yeah, just interesting to hear a year and a half later. I think she said, Well, my phone was always open. Why didn't you text me about this and apologize? I didn't know about it. I didn't know that that was it throughout our whole relationship. I didn't know. It was just that one conversation.

Yeah. I mean, you could have been like, Well, now I'm wearing three-inch heels.

Hey, I'm not sure by any means, but...

How tall are you? Now, I have to use a penis font.

I'm six A true 6'0. A true 6'0. And then when you wear boots, you're like 6'2. There you go.

And they live in Colorado, so I feel like you probably wear boots a lot.

I'm also from Montana, so it's okay. Really? What part? I'm not. Billings, Montana.

Are you a little bit of a cowboy?

A fake cowboy, probably. But I'll wear the get up.

Yeah, I don't know. No, I'm not a cowboy. Do you think your current girlfriend is the one?

I think so. I think so. But hey, I'm not... You've seen me in the past. I say that now, and then you see me later on.

I was going to say, what is it about your current girlfriend that makes you feel like there is longevity? Because the other two women, you were like, Yeah, I knew there wasn't anything. So what is different?

No. I was 22, 23. Yeah, 22 when I met my first long-term relationship. Great person. She's married now, has a kid, much happier. Fantastic. I think she is a beautiful soul as well. But that's what you learn, right? You go through and you start dating, you get engaged, you marry, you have kids. I knew at a certain point that I'm probably not bringing the best out of her. She's not bringing the best out of me. I think we're both not happy. She wanted to go through with that. I've seen a lot of divorce around the world in my family, and that's not thing that I wanted to go through with. It took me a lot longer, but yes. Then so the second one, it just was going to be the same thing, going to be the same thing. I could try, I could sacrifice on who I really am and mold myself in to fit her better. But I don't think that's the way it should be. I think I would have been unhappy, and I think she would have been unhappy. I think she's going to find a guy that's going to treat her right and let her be her in all the right ways.

I I hope that happens. With Avery now, I think I am able to be myself and happy, joyous, and I think I make her better as well. I think back and forth that we're just a lot better fit than the last two.

Well, thanks for saying, Joe. This has been a lot of fun, man. I appreciate you answering our questions and having some fun with us. Best of luck in the future in your relationship and just life in general, and wishing you nothing but the best.

Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate you having me on.

All right. Take care, Joe. Yeah. Bye.

He looks like Jason Priestley from 90210.

You didn't like him the whole season. Do you like him now?

He's definitely a lot more charming, not watching him from an outside perspective dating someone.

Cierra, I'm with you. Porn stashes are back. I know that they had a bad rap, but people are bringing it back and it is hot.

He looks like Jason Priestley and Jacob Alorty had a baby.

He looks like he'd wreck your life. You know what You know what I mean?

Is he the one I called Walmart Jacob Alorty?

Maybe. Probably. By the way, I see why Madison kept going back to him, though.

He's got that riz where it's like, he just keeps you wanting to go back even though you know you shouldn't. I know he lives in Denver, but he's from the East Coast, right?

He's from Montana.

Where's Montana? Where's Montana? Where's Montana? Where's Montana? I need to get out. I was like, Oh, my God, I love it because he seems like somebody you want to go out and drink at the bar with after. In Boston? At the Yeah.

He does give Boston.

He gives like, I don't give a fuck. I think it's the slight- It's the Italian in them.

Charming dirt bag energy. Yeah. I mean that as a compliment.

Charming dirt bag energy. That's a great way to put it. Well, I'm not saying he's a dirt bag, but it's like that energy. I mean, that as a compliment.

No. In New Girl, what's his name? Nick. Nick from New Girl.

Yes. 1,000%. It's giving nick. Charming sweet.

But have you changed these sheets in the last month? I don't know.

That's my dream vibe to give to someone.

You know, that's one question I didn't ask him.

How often do you change his sheets?

In jail, if you're listening, no disrespect, but he's giving his mom did his laundry into his 20s.

Yeah. Navy blue sheets.

Navy blue sheets.

Navy blue sheets. Navy blue sheets. Yes. He's just a guy.

He's just a boy. He's just a boy. He's just a boy.

Is the bed in the corner of the room?

One pillow.

Is the bed in the corner of the room? Or do you have that stance? Maybe blue sheets and they're that Jersey material.

He's just a boy with a tight. They're really pilled.

Oh, my gosh. No headboard in sight.

No Anyway, staying on the Love is Blind train, we do have Miles Smith, who just performed at the reunion and who is just popping off on the charts. Let's bring him in.

There he is. Miles. Thanks for joining us. We loved your appearance on the reunion of Love is Blind. Also, meet one of my members of the household. Hello. She's a big Stealers fan. I'm a just big football fan. We enjoyed your halftime performance. Yeah. Over in Ireland, man. Which of those two big moments for you more enjoyable, or did you feel a bigger response from?

You know what? I think the distance of Dublin to home is so much shorter than London to LA. So it was really nice having it on my doorstep.

It just pop in and out. Yeah. Are you an American football fan at all, or is it mostly just soccer for you? Or neither?

I sit and watch American football with no idea what's happening. And when people cheer, I cheer. So it's a good vibe. But like, soccer all day to me.

When you found out about the Love is Blind opportunity, did you know about the show at all? Was your team just like, Hey, we got this cool opportunity for you? You're like, Sure. Or did you realize just how big of a show it is, especially here in the States.

You know what? It's one of those things that periodically make their way through the group chat, and it'll be a clip from Twitter or TikTok. I'd seen some wild stuff. So when it came to fruition, I was going to be invited on the show. I was like, I don't know if I could swear, but I was like, Fuck, yeah.

You can swear. The whole premise of Love is Blind, do you think you could do something like that? Because I always say that love is not blind for me. There's no way. It's part of it. I want to see what that person looks like.

I mean, for me, I think love's partially blind. It's like you could figure your way around the room, but- Love is squinty.

You can figure your way around the room.

I think for me, it's like that show is like... It takes some real courage and some real confidence to be able to do it. I respect every single person that goes on there and puts her heart on the line, but it's super scary. You don't know who you're marrying, and that's wild.

Stargazing has been absolutely blowing up. It's everywhere. How has that been for you?

It's been a wild two years. I went from being at home and trying to figure out how I was going to this music thing work to playing around the world multiple times, which has been super awesome. Just, yeah, being able to travel the world with my best friends four or five times in the last year has been just absolutely unbelievable.

You make some amazing love songs. I personally have used them for my carousels for my engagement, so thank you. But what puts you in this headspace to be able to write such beautiful love songs? Is it from your personal life? What is your inspiration for these beautiful love songs?

For me, it's a mix and match, yeah, from personal life and experiences, but also the people around me. Some of my best friends is the last couple of years they've got married or they've had kids or seeing all of their journeys and seeing how they've come to life has just been so inspiring and beautiful to watch and see. For me, it's like I take inspiration from all around me. Yeah, it's just... Thanks for calling them beautiful. That means a lot.

Do your friends come to you and be like, Hey, listen, we're getting married. We need a first dance song. Could you come up with something for us?

It's usually like, Hey, we're getting married. Please don't pull out your guitar at the wedding. Do you ever do that?

You could pull out your guitar at mine, just saying.

I'm there.

You recently just finished touring with Ed Sheeran. That must have been a really cool experience. What was that like?

Yeah, man. I mean, to be on tour with the best ginger in the world is something that you don't get to do every day. I I'm lucky enough to call him a friend, but no, what an experience. I was never great at sports. So the fact that all my mates who are in sports, like I said, I've played in stadiums before you. Just really fucking great. But yeah, no, to play to 50 to 100,000 people every night for four months of my life was something that I'll never forget. Luckily, I get to do it all again next year in the US with him. So it should be a blast and hopefully see some of you guys down there.

Do you have any fun stories from tour, any fun anecdotal things that you and Ed did or you did before show or meeting someone?

Yeah. I mean, Ed has a lot of famous friends, which is super awesome. So loads of actors and football players and stuff would just appear backstage. I don't know. I'd honestly be there like, How the fuck have I got myself in this situation? And just absolutely loved every second of it. But also just the fun and the laughs along the way. You become roommates when you're together that long and you just have such great times. It's really awesome just to be able to go on the road with them and to be able to learn so much, but also just have so much fun behind the scenes. Yeah, he's a super fun guy.

Who is the most surreal celebrity you got to meet that you got pretty almost surprisingly gitty about.

I was lucky enough to be in the time 100 last year as 100 Most Influential People. I still think it's a mistake, but I somehow got in there. But that room was wild. There was Snoop Dogg, Serena Williams, Simone Biles. I was so out of place. I was like, I'm definitely number 100 out of the 100 most influential, but I will take it. I think Snoop Dogg for me was pretty sick. I remember me being like, You're right. He was just like, Yeah. I was like, That's my life made.

You released a song called River, and our daughter's name is River. What was your thought process behind that song?

Man, that's beautiful. Well, what an amazing name. Behind the Sun River, not to get too deep, but I went through a lot of my own battles and struggles with mental health in my early 20s and really was trying to figure out who I was and really trying to figure out life without getting too dark, if I even wanted to experience it. It was really a big moment in my life where a lot of people helped me through that patch. That song is almost me using their words and all the things that they'd say to me in that time to help me get through and put it in a song. I felt like for me, it's like if I needed to hear those words, maybe someone else did. I put it into the song River.

One of our producers' husband's in the music business, and they gave us a little tea on you. It turns out, and maybe if this is wrong, I don't know, but you love Fireball, the drink. What's cross-wired in your brain?

Why is you like Fireball?

That was so 10 years ago.

Oh, man. That's embarrassing. You know what? I'd only gone to America for the first time four years ago now, and I remember I think I was in Barney's Beanery in LA or something. Yeah, Sticky Floors, Carioca. Oh, my gosh. Someone had handed me a shot of Fireball and it was like my world had just opened up. I was like, I've I've never had this. I've got a bag of headache the next day and my sugar is spiking. However, I still stand by it. It's one of the best days and things ever.

Wow.

Nice.

I'll take one. Don't we put some car oil in Fireball or some crazy chemical. I don't know.

It just reminds me being a freshman in college. Coolant.

Good times.

Also, it says here you really like salmon. Were you in LA and an all-you-can-eat salmon buffet? You I actually made an impression on someone, though. That's good.

I need to speak to Slim Dan. I'm Jessie. I know that's come from there. Yeah, no. I love salmon. It's like I don't eat meat, and so it's the next best thing for me.

There you go. It's a good fish. It's the least fishiest of fishers.

You taught yourself to play guitar and piano at the age of 12?

Mm-hmm.

Why? Were you like, I'm bored, I'm just going to- Yeah, no.

For me, it's like I Like I said before, I was really terrible at sports, and I really didn't fit in when I was younger. I was not cool. I was either way too chubby and had loads of spots of my face or way too skinny, and my head was too big for my shoulders. I found myself in this situation where I couldn't really fit in. Finding an instrument was almost like finding a friend. I didn't grow up with much money, so lessons weren't an option. I used books and stuff to figure out myself.

You're very cool now.

I was about to say, look at you now.

If you were on a desert island and you can only take one song with you to listen the entire time you're on that desert island, what song would be?

One of his songs or any song, period?

Any song, period. If you can only listen one song.

Definitely Destiny: Charles, I'm a Survivor.

That's a good one. Miles, this has been so much fun. Thanks for taking the time, man. Congratulations on all your success. Don't forget about us when you are-We'll be headlining your own stadium. Headlining all across the world, man. I expect big things for you in the future. I mean, you're already doing great things, but it seems like the sky's the limit, man.

Super. Appreciate you guys. Hopefully see you guys at some shows next year.

All right. Appreciate you, buddy. Thank you. Talk to you later.

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Miles Smith, what a lovely human being. So sweet.

So kind. So sweet.

I love him.

I feel like Love Is Blind reunions get the people that are going to majorly blow up. You know what I mean? Alex Warren, they had Alex Warren, but she was already someone, and then massively blew up right after it.

Same with Miles Smith, already someone performing with Ed Sheeran and the Stealers Viking scheme.

And they find people who just write songs so beautifully about love. Yeah.

The family Yeah.

Well, we have to get into some recaps. We have Real Housewives of Potomac.

Potomac was wild this episode.

That's the Salt Lake City.

Oh, my God. Yeah.

Let's start with Potomac.

Well, if you miss the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Atomic. Here is your rapid recap. Stacey denies hooking up Chris Samuels talk about length, talk about drama, talk about stones, talk about Chris Samuels. Wendy was one time sexually attracted to a stripper with braces. Tia is more into Rachel Meadow type.

The Rachel Meadow type.

That was crazy.

Tia is more into the Rachel Maddow type. If Angel had to kill someone in the group, she would kill Giselle. Giselle is happy about this because it means she has a pulse. Giselle tried to backtrack the catfish comment and apologizes, but Angel isn't really buying it. Wendy doesn't want to coddle Angel and Kate because they're always bad vibes. Wendy also doesn't think Ashley Darby has the vocal range to sing Roberta Flack. In other words, she's killing her softly with the song, but not in the way it was intended. Angel reveals that she was being cool and fun with the girls. That wasn't really her. That was her annoyed. Giselle has decided to be serious about finding a man, and it might be this new man. Stacey sends the best selfie ever taken by anyone asking for sex with me with her husband, Timo.

It's Timo, but I wrote Timo.

Oh, on purpose? Yeah. All right, Timo. He responds with, I think you have the wrong number. All-time legendary divalina housewife alert. Stacey is the moment. Meanwhile, Wendy is getting sicky and doesn't want to work, but she can still bang on the drum all day. At dinner, Angel wants to make sure she's not on the menu. She's not. She's just the advertiser. The main course is K. Apparently, her and Jazzy have beef, so the meal is not vegan. This is either a callback or foreshadowing to Melissa Gorgia's Wiveswap episode, depending on where it lands in our recap. So just go with it, please, dear household.

We're not recapping it, but vegan is I'm this present.

I feel like it's another pile on on Stacey, which I'm getting tired of. Let the girl live.

Yeah, they're unmean.

Also, Angel is giving Brittany Bateman, What about me? Like, not She constantly is bringing up herself as like, Are we going to do this again with me? Am I going to be on the menu again? It's like, No, bitch, we forgot.

But now you are.

But now we are. I do think she ate. No pun intended.

E ate with what?

When she was going, when Giselle was apologizing to her, because I do think this is a situation where you have Giselle, a single woman, an angel who is happily married, and she was Well, at least I got a man because I feel like...

Giselle has a man.

Giselle has a man. Football player guy.

But I mean... Yeah, dating. She's dating, she's figuring it out. Maybe she's with him now. Maybe she's with him later.

She's not a real wag yet.

But also Love Hotel was a dud.

Just putting that out there. But it was also a fake-ass apology. That's what I was also proud of, too. When she got her little lackeys behind her, she's like, Yeah, that doesn't look like you. You're fake.

I always say it just because from a dating context, on the dating apps, or If you're out there trying to meet people online, you deserve to be called out if you're presenting yourself as someone who isn't what you're posting on the internet. On the flip side, if you're using your social media as a way to, I don't know, however you want it, make yourself feel good about it, or set a goal for yourself, whatever it is. If you're not trying to meet someone, if you're not representing yourself a certain way, then you can post whatever the fuck you want.

One housewife getting on to another housewife about use of facetoon. I'm like, Come on. It's crazy. It's absurd.

Then Jazzy having the audacity to be like, Yeah, Tia, you do too much. You do too much. Her being like, Thank you. No, no, Jazzy. You can't. I love Tia.

She's my absolute favorite on this show.

Tia I like Tia, too. Tia being into Rachel Maddow is awesome.

But I think it is just fucked up that Angel did just have a baby. And like Kay said, she's pumping on this trip. And it's like, Bravo A did her dirty by showing flashbacks of her on the red carpet and pre-baby, and then trying to prove that we all look different after having a baby. And that's the most beautiful part about it, is that you're not who you once were. You are a new person. You're a mom. You're in this new phase of life. You look different. Embrace that you look different. But for Giselle, who has children, to come after her for being this catfish who, to Nick's point, she's not trying to find a man. And to Angel's point, she's like, My husband likes this. Likes Loves me. Sorry.

You know what her husband's probably not doing? Following her on Instagram and looking at every post that she's posting because he sees her every day.

Yeah, but I feel like Giselle is coming to this argument as someone who is out there still trying to make sure she looks good for the right person. Get a man.

Yeah, and Angel's not your competition, so you don't need to call it out.

It's crazy. I do find Angel annoying that she talks about Bobby all the time. We get a wag. Bobby just sent me a cool 5,000 to buy some artwork at the little farmer's market.

And to Giselle's point, it's like, yeah, no, these women take a lot of pride in being self-made and having their businesses and being strong independent women. So it's like, yeah, you don't need to flex that your husband sent you a little allowance to go shopping. Yeah, it's like... Is that for all of us? Because if you're going to talk about it, you better be sharing it.

He's a football player.

Sean Spring? No, Bobby.

Bobby.

Bobby Massey is an American former professional football offensive tackle. He played college football at Mississippi. He played for the Cardinals. He also played for the Bears and the Broncos.

Where was he a 10-year starter?

Curtis Samuels, I know. Curtis Samuels was very, very good.

Not Curtis, it's Chris.

Chris? Him same. He's also really, really good.

I do have a question. Have you guys seen Stacey's QVC videos?

Oh my God, when it's the Merry Christmas and the I love you. She's like, Imagine you with your girlfriends wearing this sweater that says, I love you, doing a photoshoot. She was made for that. And you love each other.

Talk about Lange.

Talk about Lange.

Talk about drama. Talk about Stones. Talk about comfort. It's called QVC.

Did you buy it? I love it.

Qvc.

Deborah Vance, dead. Stacey Rouse, is it Rouse?

But the other women just don't fuck with her.

It is hard to watch. It's hard to just see them every single episode. She handles it very of just like...

I was going to say, I think she's in on the bit as well because I'm like, the sharing of the selfie with the husband and the response being like, I think you have the wrong number. That's one thing I would have kept to myself. He loved it.

But I think that he's German.

He has a different sense of humor.

I actually have to leave right now because I need to go video chat. No.

I think that goes to show just how comfortable she is that she's like, no, this is how he talks. To the point where she's like, why would I not... This is him. And Ashley, of course, immediately runs to Giselle to talk some shit. Stacey, what can't be like, Stop talking about me.

I just think it's in Timu, I know his name is not Timu, but I will be calling him Timu. I know Timu is But that's some shit I would do. I think you have the wrong number. That's funny. Come on. They can't do a bit.

It was funny.

They can't do a bit, Ashley Darby.

It's giving. They're jealous of her.

I was going to say she's giving main character energy because everybody's talking about her. Yeah.

Stacey's a very beautiful woman, and it's giving. They're a little jealous that they're heading on the pretty girl. Right.

That's so true.

Whether that's true or not, I don't know. But it's just like, you guys are so...

I mean, they're all gorgeous.

Sure. But they're focusing on Stacey and picking on Stacey, and it's giving their little insecure about standing next to Stacey.

Why do you think Brittany gets picked on so much?

Bayman? Mm-hmm.

Maybe.

You think they're all jealous of her?

No. Well, I mean-Oh, she is beautiful. She is beautiful. But I think that Brittany's dating drama with-Well, last season we had Stacey with TJ, which I think was an easy-Yeah. I think what it is- I'm new to Potomac, so she's got a clean slate for me.

I think what it is, is both Stacey and Brittany have massive Theater Kid energy, and it's just really easy to pick on them. I think that's what it is.

She's a little silly. She's a little unserious.

Well, speaking of Brittany, it was a jaw-dropping, eyes-glued-to-the-screen episode of Salt Lake. Always.

So good.

So good.

You know what I never thought I would say, one place I would want to be stranded is on a mega yacht with these women.

This is Heather's season.

She's doing the dance.

She doesn't give a fuck. She's picking the right people. She's team Brawen now. We I love that. She is fine. She is no longer caring about what Lisa thinks. No, I love that. She is free to make her own choices and decisions.

What I really like is she's being super genuine about it. She's like, I'm not going to turn on Lisa. I'm just like, I want to actually be friends with you. And that involves being like, what the fuck are you saying right now?

Right. Well, that was the thing, too, where she was like, oh, I like Bronwyn, and I don't know why. I'm like, yes, because you're out of Lisa's ass.

Yeah, exactly.

That Bronwyn is actually a fun time.

If you have no idea what we're talking about, and you missed the most recent episode of The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap. Bronwyn slept on the deck, presumably because she's anti-unicorn and not because she hates Brittany's beautifully silly guts. Lisa hopes everyone will apologize to her. And you just hopes she can stop throwing up. Lisa also thinks Brittany's crush on Captain Jason is disrespectful because he's not interested. God forbid, a woman has hobbies. Lisa and Bronwyn then get into it because Lisa was talking shit on the lower level of the yacht. Mary wishes Angie would throw up again so that they could go back to their bed, a la page de Sorbo. But thank God, Angie is not, in fact, throwing up. She's confronting Lisa about spreading a rumor that Todd was making out with another woman while farting the entire time. Bro. Bro.

You can grow up.

It's giving Stinky Old Man. Stinky Old Man.

I can't believe that's real.

Are you picturing Todd farting right now? It's a little flatulent.

I I can't see.

I'm crying. Okay. Bronwyn says Lisa is dead to her unless they're contractually obligated to film together. Mary is clocking that Meredith isn't standing on business when it comes to defending Lisa. So is Lisa for that matter. Mary also thinks Meredith is being snooze-fest. Meredith would like to be excluded from this narrative, but don't worry, she's just warming up. Heather has decided to like Bronwyn and is really enjoying it. Brittany face plants in the sand while necking off her drink. Also, Angie really can't catch a break because after Bronwyn gets her to put on an inflatable Seahorse costume, she slams her hand in the door and starts gushing blood. Truly, what did our girl do to deserve this? And then it's zombie night for dinner. Incredible outfits all around 10 out of 10. Lisa promises once again that she will never bring up Todd, and she's really serious about it this time, you guys. She promises Brittany is now the one throwing up. So naturally, she drinks more tequila. Meredith thinks that's gross. So Brittany tells her she saw a TikTok about Seth's possible indiscretions. Uh-oh. Hopefully, Meredith wasn't already pre-heating, and her scary British accent doesn't come out.

Spoiler alert, it does. Seth does not have a mistress. We didn't British. Please, Natalie, X, X, X. Then she says, Brittany is a liar and a malicious, despicable person. The display of Casual Cruelty by the Girls, once again, drives Captain Jason away from the dessert table. But the zombie ice cream cake was delish, according to Heather, and that's the episode.

This episode was a lot. It was a lot. It was a bad episode for Meredith and Lisa.

Yeah. We don't need to talk about... We can talk bad about Lisa.

No, the fact that Bronwyn is literally like, We need to stop going after the husband, and not 30 seconds later, Brittany is like, Well, I saw TikTok about that.

Let me defend Brittany. Was that too far? Of course. She should not have done it.

All Meredith said was, Why are you drinking tequila immediately after you took it?

Which honestly was a valid question.

I had the same question when I did.

It's the way she asked the question. When it comes to Brittany, Meredith is a bully. She just is. She tries to bully Brittany.

Brittany said she has seizures.

Brittany is retaliating to these women just being mean to her. Okay, well, Brittany saying Meredith has seizures is crazy. You know what it's giving? It's giving little girl. It's Mary's relationship with Whitney around season one and two, where it was like, Meredith sees Brittany as a little girl. So anytime she does anything, she's like, Shut up. Don't talk. That's what I'm saying. But then finally, I think Brittany is just tired of it and fighting back. She definitely goes for the jugular. But you're treating her like a little girl, and Brittany's acting in kind. All right, well, I'm just going to be the 10-year-old that you think I am, and I'm just going to say the meanest, most hurtful thing. But if all they did was treat Brittany just like a normal person, Brittany would be the nicest person to everyone. That's why I bring Meredith for it, because Brittany just wants to be... She wants to be kind to people.

But that's the beauty of Brittany Bateman on the show, is that they're not going to be nice to her, so she's always going to try.

Fine, but I'm just saying, it's Meredith's fault that accusation came out.

I don't know. I disagree wholeheartedly. The group of women, they've agreed, let's not... Brittany doesn't like it when they're talking about Jared and her sucking a lot of dick or whatever the fuck with Jared. They don't like it. But they do it. But she doesn't like it. I know. Then how come when they literally all agree kids and spouses are off limits, guys, we have to stop coming after them. To literally have Meredith be like, Why are you drinking tequila after you just threw up?

I don't know. Why are people making TikToks about Seth?

Oh, well, I guess if you want to talk about me drinking tequila, we can talk about Seth's indiscretions that I saw on TikTok. You didn't see it. It's everywhere.

Why? They treat Mary like a 10-year-old, and they want her to be the bigger person? Brittany. Brittany. No, you mean definitely both are true because it's like, Why is Meredith nagging about the tequila? I thought you said you weren't talking to Brittany. Don't talk to Brittany.

But then also, Meredith to be like, I would say that to anyone.

No, you wouldn't. But Meredith has a point, too, where she's like, should we talk about all the trolls on everybody? It's like there's troll comments, and there's just like, legitimate things. That's what I respect. It was definitely a low blow, Brittany.

It was a Maritith's fault that Brittany gave her a low blow. I think regardless, Brittany was going to pull that card out at some point in this season. She showed it to Whitney before Meredith ever came at her.

And Whitney was like, That's bullshit. We're not going to talk about it.

She's just arming herself up because she knows they're going to be knocking her down. I just want to know, how do they have Wi-Fi in the middle of the ocean? Because I thought about this. I was like, scrolling on TikTok.

It's a mega yacht. It's like having a hotel on the ocean.

They got a big satellite.

They're shooting an episode TV. I would imagine they have Wi-Fi.

Yes, they do.

Plus the FaceTime calls. They're like, We need the Wi-Fi. Facetime calls.

I was like, Where are you all at? Mary's commentary about not knowing what's more offensive, the farting or the kissing.

That was amazing.

Also, I really just I feel like that's half of it. They're really just pointing at his age that he was farting while making out.

That's why I think it's bullshit, too, because I'm like, Lisa, you went for Bronwyn with Gout Dick Sucker. If you had this in your arsenal, you would have used it. So that was spreading a rumor to hurt Bronwyn down the line.

And then not her being talking to Meredith, being like, Don't ever trust Angie with anything because she's going to... Angie been like, No, don't talk shit about your friends. Thank you. That's the point of this whole thing.

Not that I told. Lisa's face when Angie called her out was awesome. That's her version of a bidding. She did it.

She was like, nothing to say.

She was like, you're right.

I did say that. It's also like, speaking of Lisa and Meredith, it's just the one thing I'm a Meredith defender through and But the one thing I don't get is like, why are you friends with Lisa? I know she's always like, I don't know why people like to question our friendship. It's because it doesn't make any sense. The way she was treating you, when you guys woke up in the morning, she was like, I don't like that you didn't defend me. And Meredith was like, I did in my way. You know me well enough by now to know that I'm going to lawyer my way out of this shit and also defend you while doing it and staying out of the drama until I go nuclear.

Well, how did you feel about Mary jumping on Lisa's bandwagon with Meredith saying, You don't say anything.

I think Meredith hates Meredith.

Mary hates Meredith.

That hurt my feelings.

Anything that comes out of Mary's mouth is chef's kiss, gold, in a treasure chest. It was awesome.

Let's save it for any time. I love that Mary has no problem ending a conversation. She's just like, I will say the most hurtful thing if you will get up and get out of my face, and I don't feel bad.

She's like, You need to come up with a story because you're a snooze. Because you're boring.

I was like, Let her come.

Let her come up with a story.

She I appreciate Meredith's presence this season. I think you need the one that reacts dramatically out of nowhere. I appreciate all their presence.

All of them. I was like, Angie right now, Gold Star, throwing up the first one, slamming her hand in an inflatable. Connor and I were watching this poor woman.

Her hand, when it started bleeding, I was like, Oh.

It's serious. I think it's bad.

I think she broke it. And then he's like, Is that blood?

Also, it's like, why was my slasher movie low-key realistic?

They did the same thing. I was like, Oh, my God, they stole Mary's idea.

I was like, Okay. Shed Media, are you watching?

For all the Lisa stands out there, are you a Lisa stand because you're a Lisa, or do you just like her on your TV screen?

I would love to know.

It's a good question. I said something last week that nick said, That's concerning, when I said, I think Lisa's just my spirit animal. Oh, yeah. He goes, That's concerning. I was like, no, I'm not Lisa, but I would love to reciprocate her energy sometimes.

That's what I want someone to call in with a hot take about is if you're a Lisa Stan, why? Why should that change our minds?

No, I honestly, before I watched it, I was like, I want to mix it up. I want to just find the good in people. I'm going to do nothing but compliment Lisa Barlow this episode. I'm just going to look for things. Yeah.

How'd that go?

Impossible. She owned up to it at least once this episode. She did apologize.

She did apologize.

Hardly.

Do we think she'll stand by it?

She did it, though. Listen, I don't know who she is in real life. I am a Lisa Stan. I've always said that. I stand the whole cast, but I do love Lisa.

She's great TV. I miss her. I think the show is boring without her.

A hundred %. She's great television. Not a good friend.

I do respect someone that's like, Well, if you're going to come for me, I'm going to come back.

Regardless of it's her husband. No, but that's the whole thing.

Yeah, that's the whole point of Angie being like, We're at this dinner where you're literally like, I love you guys no matter what. We'll get through it even when we fight. I love you guys. And then to be like, Oh, my God, by the way, I saw. I heard that Todd was...

That's crazy. That's where I say I love her, but also I'm like, You use your power for wrong, Lisa.

Also, what she should have done was after that dinner when she met up with Bronwyn and they agreed to stop talking. She should have been like, Hey, by the way, I did tell Angie this rumor last time we were at this dinner, it might come out. But that's just not who she is. She's incapable of doing that.

I do appreciate Todd's commentary back about it, too, where he was just like, I don't understand why I'm becoming a punchline. Because it's not fair.

But that also made me sad that he was proved right. I wanted Bronwyn to be able to call Todd and vent to him about what's going on, but I knew Todd would be like, Well, I told you so.

But at the same time, to his point, it's like, Why is it about me now? Now I'm out making out and farting with people. What did I do to deserve this? When I just want to be left the fuck out of it and have to sit and have ice cream with you while you cry at me being mad at me for stealing your cherries.

One foot in the grave and another on the banana peel.

We'll see if they make it to shore next week.

Well, continuing with great television, we have Timothée Simons from Nobody Wants This, a gym of a Human Being in a great conversation. He's up next.

Tim, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me back. This is exciting. There are more people here.

More people. Tim was on Five years ago?

Was it a charity case you were doing? Did you have community service?

My appearing on the show was a charity done by letting us appear.

No, I was really excited. It was definitely before I knew what... The Vial House was figuring itself out. It was young. It was early in its days. It was a work in prod. It was going through puberty.

Yes.

I was just a big fan of Tim from Veeep. Yes. I was like, Yeah, bring him on. I don't even know what the fuck we talked about.

I think it was broadly because Matt Walsh and I do a podcast together. At that point, it was a Veep rewatch, and now it's something different. We were talking off mic and was like, That was something we started doing during the pandemic, back when nobody could do anything. Everybody said, Let's start a podcast, and Walsh and I did that. Still going, but in a different format. But that was broadly why we were there.

It was a good time for me. Yeah. But now, you're on a hit new show, Nobody Wants This. We are big fans. We're deep into season 2. Nice.

We Jackie Tone, season one.

Oh, great. Yes. Lovely. Jackie is incredible.

She is a gem of a human being.

She is, and also has an amount of energy at all times that is wild.

Have you seen the photo of her dog's tooth that looked like a mountain, a snowmitten? Yes. So she shows that to everybody.

I've seen so many pictures of her dog. Also, her dog's name is Glenn. Look, I love dogs. I'm a dog person. I have a dog But also, I would say once every three weeks, I just send a bunch of text messages to the cast thread making fun of Glenn because his ears are really big. I'm just like, All right, I'm just going to go on a bunch of ear jokes about a dog. Nobody's ever laughed at them, but I like doing it.

Are you just doing them back to back?

Yeah, just back to back.

The show is so much fun. I really particularly like your and Jackie's character and how you guys portray a married couple who's been married for a long time and going into the ups and downs and the grind of a marriage and the way you guys are able to portray that in a charming way. Because it's also very realistic and very normal for couples to feel what your characters are feeling. I really enjoy when you guys are on the screen. It's a really great... Obviously, you have Kristen and Adam, and their being the stars of the show. But I'm really enjoying your guys' storyline throughout the season. Obviously, in season two, you guys are figuring out whether you want to have kids or not again. I don't know, what's your relationship status are you in?

I'm married. You're married? I'm married for 17 years.

17 years. How much, when you and Jackie, are you just going off the script? But how do you guys have such chemistry that you have on screen?

It's a good question. Jackie is somebody who you guys met She's someone that's easy to have chemistry with. I don't know, man, that seems like a question I don't even know if I'm capable of answering because it just feels like chemistry is in a way, accidental. I don't think you can really plan for it. I don't think you could have really planned for Adam and Kristen to have as much chemistry as they do. I think we all just got really lucky that we all... Justine, same deal. It just all got lucky that we have that much chemistry. But that thing, I think it's something that revealed itself when you're talking about the relationships part of it, because so much of the first season is the beginning of a new relationship, and that all-encompassing, adrenaline-fueled, oh, my God, first kiss stuff. And in the second season, planned, but also in some way by accident, you're looking at a relationship at its very beginning, and not necessarily at its very end, but much further into it when it's like, I don't know. I don't know what your statuses are, but the 1700 kiss is not as magical as the first one.

You know what I mean? That's just by...

Kiss me this morning was the first time.

Oh, thank you so much. How much improv do you all get to do? Are you able to play around much?

We are. There's not a a lot of improvisation. We shoot really fast. We shoot really fast, and we have to get a lot of stuff done. So there aren't a lot of... You hear story, like your veep, specifically. We had a very heavily scripted show, but we had a rehearsal process that had a lot of improvisation, and there was always the idea that we were going to take a scene. We were going to go back to the beginning of a scene, and in those first four years, Armando would say, Just hit all the major beats of this scene, but don't use the same words. We would just figure out how to make our way through that scene. You're just like, Whatever, I won't go on about that. But this is much more tightly scripted. I would say that the improvisation is less about trying to find an incredible joke as it is a little bit more interstitial, a little bit more jojo, a little bit more like, well, okay, how do we make this sound a little bit more conversational? Yeah. Stuff like that. Definitely, the writers are collaborative in that way. It's not like somebody's coming as…

Scrypty isn't coming up and pointing to the thing being like, You missed it. If we have stuff that's like, This feels weird coming out of your mouth, they'll move it around. But we don't do… You hear about Mike Schur, who did The Good Place and who was a writer on The Office for a long time. There was always that idea of like, Okay, now we're doing One For Fun. We don't really do One For Fun on this show because it doesn't really serve what we're trying to get to, if that makes sense.

It does seem very like meeting Jackie. That is her character. It feels like it's very written for, honestly, everyone. How much of you do you feel is in Matt?

We're not a lot outside of... I think when it comes to character specifics, we I don't overlap a lot, but I feel like worldviews he and I overlap a lot, especially in the second season. I don't know how far you guys are in, but maybe this is too revealing of me, but a little bit like, go along, get along and not really talk about anything until it all blows up. Maybe that's a worldview thing of trying to learn in competence. That's a world I fit into pretty well about how can I stay on the fringes not get in trouble, but also, I want to have Tuesdays off. You know what I mean? How can I live a life where I have most Tuesdays off?

I can't help but notice you have your hair highlighted.

I do. Yeah, it's blonde right now.

Is this for a character It was for fun.

It was for fun. Okay. The show got nominated for an Emmy, which was very cool, and we got to go. I've done a lot of black tuxedos before. And so generally, I would say, I would say I've been trying to have more fun when it comes to that type of thing. And it truly was like, I don't know, I think it'd be fun to dye my hair blonde. And then I did it and it turned out it was fun. And then we just went on a big press tour around the premiere of the show, and I got it redone for that. Now I think I'm just going to let it grow out. But no, it was literally just like- Then the mullet as well, is that also part of the- That was just a haircut I really liked. When the first season of the show, I remember thinking this guy was probably going to be a lot... I would assume he would be a little bit more conservative than he ended up being, and a little bit more of a straight arrow. Then on the first costume fitting, our costume designer, whose name is Nagar Ali Klein, she had this idea of doing that.

The reference pictures that she brought in were Shia La Buff and and Jona Hill. That LA expensive streetwear scumbag thing. Just immediately, I was like, That's incredible. That's so fun. The mullet was like, Oh, shit, I should have had a haircut like that for the first season, and I didn't. Let's just do it for the second season. People get haircuts.

That was great because it almost like my wife had me do the mullet for a while. That's so fun. It's fun. I think at our age in life, there's always the risk people will tell us that we're going through a bit of a midlife crisis. Oh, yeah.

I've gotten that comment a couple of times.

Even Matt's character gives like, he's at that stage of life where he's just trying things out where it's just like, when I get older, I'm like, Who says I can't do this? You want to... People call it a midlife crisis. I just say, I'm staying young. I'm fitting in.

Speaking of haircut, what happened with Did you remember your audition for Veep with a questionable haircut?

Did that- Did I have a questionable haircut?

It says that we need to ask you about it. Oh. Is what I've heard.

Did I have a questionable haircut?

Do you remember your audition for Veep? I do.

I think I probably just had that.

You're like, I thought I looked good. It was my normal haircut.

I thought I looked pretty great. What I've had for the last four years. I am in no way going to stand by my haircut at that time. I was broke motherfucker. I had whatever cheap ass haircut I could find. I did have to shave my head for the show. I'm trying to remember.

Was that jarring for you? Have you ever seen your head bald before that moment?

No, not down to the skin. My kids are pretty young, and they didn't like it. They were like, This isn't... No, thanks. We don't like this. No, my haircut for the audition, I actually can't remember. I do remember being nervous about everything. I did intentionally, awkwardly style my hair in a way of trying to do character separation from me and Jona, and of just being like, I parted it the wrong opposite it how I would normally do it. I parted it the other way so that it would just all seem a little bit wrong.

Did they appreciate that about you?

I don't think they noticed.

I don't think they ever noticed.

I think I was overthinking everything.

What was your favorite Jona haircut you had.

Weirdly, somebody... You know how it was like daylight saving time over the weekend? Yeah. This is like now every year, well, twice a year, I guess, I will get a lot of things on the internet that will correct daylight savings to daylight saving because of that Kent line of it not being plural or possessive. But somebody just texted me a picture that apparently there's a video billboard that has me on it saying it's daylight saving time. It's up there right now. I didn't know this was happening, but I guess the only reason I'm bringing this up is somebody sent me that picture this morning, and I was like, I like that hair when it was growing out from being shaved. It was just a little bit like a buzz cut. I was like, Maybe I should do that.

Maybe I'll cut it all off. Inspo at every corner. Yeah. How old are your kids now?

They're 13, about to be 14. We have twins. Boys, girls? One of each, yeah.

One each. Yeah. Wow. How is twins in the early stage? Is it a lot?

Oh, it's a nightmare. It's like a full-on nightmare. Do you guys have kids the same?

We have one. We're working on- We have one.

We're working on-21-month-old girl.

Growing the family. Not too long ago, Nally's doctor informed her that if we were to try this particular month, there would be a high chance of twins.

She had just coincidentally gave me an ultrasound and saw, Oh, you have two follicles that would drop, and you would have twins this month if you to try. Nick and I were like, Well, it's.

It was a weird thing just knowing that. Just be like, Do we?

Having the choice, it was really crazy.

It was like a weird...

What a beautiful thing it would be. I can't imagine having a child than also having twins. Twins itself is hard. It's hard. It's like you're just trying to survive to the end of the day. If you have one there, it's like, Oh, it's so beautiful, and you read books to them. You're carrying it. You're going to really get in there. With twins, it's just like, How do we survive this?

What did you all do?

We barely survived.

He's like, I don't remember, I blacked out.

Yeah, like a truly, like a true blackout situation. I love them, and they're incredible. But no, having two babies at the same time is very hard.

Can you see they have the twin telepathy? Have you been able to see that at all?

That's more identicals. Oh, is it? It's more for identicals. Every once in a while, we'll catch little glimpses of it, but that might be nurture, not nature. I don't know. There is one thing that I remember. One of the funny things from when they were kids was that our son, everything verbal, he did first, and everything physical, our daughter did first. Marty, our son, had a lot of words. He was a very big talker. We were trying to encourage our daughter, Hopper, to talk. We would ask her questions, trying to get her to talk, and then Marty would answer it. We'd be like, Oh, no, no, Marty. We're asking Hopper, and Hopper would just gesture you and Marty like... He just answered it. I'm not going to say it now. You have the information They're working together.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you collect Blu-rays?

I do. Thank God you asked. Thank God you asked.

This is still a thing.

Tell us about it.

How are you finding them?

I used to collect also to give you, I'm here with you. Safe space.

Physical media, baby.

Physical media, baby. This has become a thing. It was during the pandemic, and I think I missed... I think I missed I missed... There are a lot of reasons, of all of which I'm going to tell you. God, your audience is going to hate everything I'm about to say, and this is going to be amazing. I think there's that idea of you buy something on iTunes, you don't actually own it. You own it as long as Apple has the license to be to stream it to you after having purchased it. I missed the idea of... And this is also what goes back to when I was a kid, the movies that were on the shelf in the TV room. They had this level of importance.

Oh, yeah. When you go to someone's house and they have a whole DVD display, you're like, Oh, my God, you have so and so?

Yeah. True romance? What is it about that that made that important to you? That was in there. I think there are a lot a lot of things of picture quality and sound quality, especially as somebody who considers themselves a little bit of a connoisseur of movies and TV. All of those things are just a lot better. I also generally have a little bit of a collector vibe. I don't know, I also niche nerd stuff. When I first started, I was on a job in Atlanta, and I found this pawn shop on the north side of Atlanta that had an insane collection, and everything was $2. And so I was in there every week.

You paid the extra hundred bucks for your suitcase to get back.

I did. You were awake. I was like, Oh, my God. I am now at the point I'm going to have to send boxes home. Oh, wow. Then it just led me into a whole little underworld of doing it.

Has your wife been supportive of this?

Incredibly supportive. However, last week, one showed up. One showed up. And there have been times where Criterion has the twice yearly sales where maybe 10 will show up. There was this thing, I opened one, and she just went, We have a lot of those, huh? I was like, Oh, no. You watched them all. I think I It's like the actual straw that broke the cable's back on it.

What movie was it?

Oh, my God. It's a movie I haven't even seen, but was recommended. Every year, I do a podcast with Fentacy and Chris Ryan and Tracy Letts over at the Big Picture. It was one that was recommended by Tracy Letts. It was, I think, a Harrison Ford movie called The Rampage that they had just remastered in 4K or whatever. I was like, Oh, I'm going to pick that up. I haven't even seen it. The one that might- I do love Harrison Ford. Oh, my God. He's incredible. I could even be wrong about Harrison Ford. I don't know if you want to help me out on that. I haven't seen the movie. And that one might be like, She was like, We got a lot of these.

You're on a desert island. You can only pick three of your DVDs or Blu-rays.

Blu-rays. Blu-rays. Thank you.

Which ones do you take?

This is... What a great question. I'm so glad you asked it. I think Inside Lou and Davis is going to be one of them. A Coen Brothers movie with Oscar Isaac, Sorcerer, which is, I think, my favorite movie. It's a William Friedkin movie about trying to move unstable dynamite across Columbia. I actually don't know the country. El Salvador, it's like these- It's your favorite movie. It's your favorite movie. It is my favorite movie. I just can't remember the country. What's the third one? Third one, I've got some weird… Probably like a Michael Mann, like a thief, like a Michael Mann thief vibe, I think those would be the three. I love that question. Thank you.

Is there a certain role that you'd love to play that might shock people?

I I feel pretty lucky that I've been able to do a bunch of different stuff. Obviously, the stuff that I'm most well known for is very much on the comedy side. I started in doing indie theater in Chicago, and I feel like in that world, everything mixes together. When I came to LA, there was very much this thing of it's either like, comedy or drama. It's very It's hard for those two things to mix. I feel like I've been pretty lucky and able to be able to jump back and forth in between things. But I'm a really big fan of scumbag LA Noirs, so that thing. Okay. Yeah. I like LA Noir detective stories centered on people who are not really good people, but you cheer for them. That would maybe be something I'd throw at.

That's interesting. I mean, speaking of your theater days, is there any underrated skill that you felt like you learned from your theater days?

Oh, from my theater days? Yeah. From the theater days, I don't... Good question. The one that's coming to mind was actually just from last year. I had to do an indie movie in Vegas where I had to play a with it addicted past his prime magician. I got to go down three days early and work with a guy. His name was Magic nick. Magic nick. Magic nick was fucking great. We spent three daysPracticing Whippets.

Practicing Whippets? Practicing Whippets? Is that the era thing?

I think in the old days, you would just have the cracker and it would blow up the balloon. But now I feel like people are doing... Kids these days are now doing out of that Starbucks whip cream.

Yeah, you get a canister. I haven't done Whippets. I just to work at Starbucks.

Okay.

I'm not cool.

He thinks the lady does protest too much about doing with it. I don't do these things.

But if I were to, this is how I would do it.

Yeah, I just know all of the delivery systems. I got to spend three days working with Magic nick because script-wise, it literally just said he pulls flowers out of his sleeve. I was like… Basic.

Is that all he does?

But I feel like there's the thing of I've You've been in positions before where you show up to set and you're prepared for the thing that they ask you to do, and you are not prepared for the thing that should lead up to that. And then you're scrambling. And this was an indie movie. And the last thing you want is to show up on set and then be like, Oh, we got to figure... Then you're wasting their time, and they don't have a big budget or whatever. And so I just spent three days working with Magic nick on a bunch of... We basically worked out a magic show.

He shared his magic tricks with me?

He did. He didn't give me the big stuff, but he taught me a lot about misdirection. He taught me never crossing the line, all of those things. But when I got back, I could make a flower appear out of a handkerchief. I could make a coin appear out of nowhere.

Do we have a coin? Are you still good at this?

Here's the thing. You've lost your touch. I have lost my touch a little bit. We ultimately ended up with magnets, putting magnets in a tuxedo coat, and that's what they ended up using out of all the versions that I gave. But I am really proud of myself for this.

Were your kids obsessed?

They really liked the coin trick. We went to my son has gotten into this local children's theater group, and he really likes that. And one of my adult friends, three weeks later, was telling her about how I could do this trick. And I just had a coin and found just a table napkin. And I did it for her. She was actually like, Oh, my God. I was like, really, that was a moment where I was like, Oh, holy shit. I actually did it. I'm a magician. I did it. Yeah, that's something that I've picked from.

I've never been able to do a magic trick. That's crazy. I wouldn't want to be able to do that.

When you see it happen, like when Magic nick would throw out some of his like, Oh, I'm just going to do this, and it comes out of here. We're this close to one another, and you're looking for how he's doing it, and you still can't see it. It's pretty amazing.

I just want to get into Magic so I can be called Magic nick. It has a ring to it. It's an alter ego I wanted to happen to.

It sounds like you're also could be strip dancing. Also Magic Mike. Yeah. Magic nick, Jack of all trades.

A lot of people on your cast have had fun with the idea that everyone's married, and obviously, there's just a lot of on-camera chemistry. I know you're all professionals, but have you ever had to have a conversation with your wife, be like, All right, so there's how much missing is in the script. Do married couples and actors have those types of conversations with their partners, or is it just like, Hey, we're professionals, and it is what it is?

I think it's a combination of both. It has to be. I think it's weird. I think it's probably easier if both people in the relationship are actors because it's a weird part of the job. It's like, My job today is to go to work and pretend to have sex with another person that is not you.

I call it legal cheating. It's the only form that exists that it's like, I'm sorry, babe, I got to keep a roof over our head, so I will be simulating sex with someone else.

But it is, as someone who has had one time an on-camera kiss for acting, it does not feel the same. It is awkward. As a man, It's just like you just took- Wasn't yours also with a man, though? Well, that was the same show. I had one of each. But to that point, equally as benign in a way that was like, yeah, just- They cut. In no way romantic. It's romantic.

In a way, it's the least sexy thing possible.

It doesn't feel like you kiss the person.

No, not at all. But there is also that very human thing of you have to have We have to have that. Definitely, I've always viewed it as just part of the job. But there have been moments where you just end up having to have the conversation. I'm being like, Of course, no. This is just a part of the job. This is not anything else. I can imagine for spouses, and luckily, Justine and her husband, Tyson, and Annie, my wife and I, we are all close, the four of us. When somebody talks about how Justine and I have really good chemistry, I don't think Annie's like, What the fuck's going on here? But I do remember, I can't remember who said this, but they had an amazing quote about performing sex scenes, which is like, I was so much rather perform a sex scene than a death scene. Or no, perform a death scene than a sex scene because nobody knows what it's like to die, but everybody knows what it's like to have sex. So it's like, if you are not doing it the right people are going to be like, What the fuck? That's gross and weird.

Is that what you think this is like? Those are those things. You know what I mean?

Yeah, it's like be sexy.

Yeah, be sexy. Some people are going to be like, I know how to do that, and you're not doing it right. But if you're dying, everybody in the audience, unless they're dead, it's going to be like, Well, shit. I've never done that before. Maybe that's what that's like.

I guess he's dead. Yeah. Does your wife watch the show? Nobody wants to.

She does. And my kids, too. It's one of the first things I've done that my kids have been able to see. Most everything else that I've done has been really sweary or just straight up not for kids. We watch it as a family. My kids really like it. We shoot in LA and all on the East Side, and I live on the East Side. There were days they got to come to set a couple of times because it was on the way home from school.

Is there ever a world in which I know there's scenes... I know it was season one, but the bat mitzvah. When there's a lot of kids extras? Would your kids ever do that, or would they be like, This is weird? I don't want to.

I think that they would... I actually think that they would want to. There is a little part of me that doesn't want them on a set as a kid. Totally. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because eventually, it's going to be like, the last thing a 13 or 14-year-old needs is for someone to go get water for them.

Totally.

Yeah. I'm trying to- Have them be a PA.

Honestly, that might be the thing.

Have them stand by a trash can and lock up.

Yeah.

You want to kill the romance of this real quick? I'm going to have you be a PA, and I'll gladly help them do that.

Do they think it's cool that you're on a show, or do they really understand?

I think they are starting to, and I think they do think it's cool, although they might be... They're 13. I think they'd be a little loathe to admit that right now. Totally. Like, your dad's verifiably fucking cool. Maybe don't fucking yell at me. But yeah, I think they do think it's cool. I also think it's fun for them that their friends have seen it. I think they dig that. But no, I'm not. My son has been doing all of this children's theater. I say it's like a children's theater group, but the play that they did was about CBGB, or the musical that they did was about CBGBs in 1978. My son played Andy Warhol. It's for kids like fifth grade to senior years. There were fifth graders walking around with fake whiskey glasses and fake stage cigarettes. The Ramones were in it.

Nobody does it like LA.

Nobody does it like fucking LA. My wife worked backstage for the show, and we have this picture of one of the kids who was nervous about going on and was holding one of those fake cigarettes. This is like a fucking sixth grader. He was pacing back and forth. Try running their lines. This is why I don't want them on a set. They're going to be exposed to shit that they shouldn't be exposed to.

It's crazy. It's like your dad probably smokes. For sure. You've seen this before. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, a fun question of Fuck Mary Kill. I'll be the judge of that. I think you'll love it. Okay. Fuck Mary Kill, a Maine lobster. Okay. Lobster roll.

Okay.

Maine foliage.

Oh, this is a good question already.

Or being from Maine, your entire personality.

For those of you who don't- He is from Maine. He is from Maine.

I am from Maine. It'd be funny if you were just like, he's from Virginia, but we just want to ask him questions. About Maine. So Fuck Mary Kill, foliage, lobster roll.

Or just making your entire personality.

Maine, your personality. I'm going to kill making me in your whole personality. It's a good one. Although I feel like that does not mean that I'm not proud of the fact that I'm from there. I think we just need to... It can't be your whole deal. For sure. I'm going to That's kill.

Yeah. Who are you fucking and who are you marrying?

I'm going to fuck a lobster roll and I'm going to marry the folk.

That makes sense.

So romantic, honestly. Yeah. Also practical.

It makes sense. Lobster rolls are delicious. I love them.

Yeah, every day. They're sexual also.

And you could fuck it if you really wanted to.

And if you really wanted to. But they're not something that you really want to have all the time. It's like a twice a year special occasion. Totally. It's rich. It's rich.

A lot of butter.

There's a really good place in Portland called the High Roller that we go because we go back every year to visit my family. Anyway, shout out to High Roller if you guys are in Portland, Maine.

I was definitely like, this doesn't correlate to Maine. But okay, Portland, Oregon. Yeah. Portland, Maine. Okay. You go back there all the time and get a lap to roll?

Yeah, we go back once a year to see my family because my whole family is still out there. We go and we'll try to get a little cabin on a lake or whatever, and the whole family comes in and runs around. The kids go out in the woods.

Is that a direct flight from LA?

God, no. No, we fly into Boston and drive up. My wife is a terrible flyer, too, so we could connect, but that is like, she's not good at it, so we're not good.

I don't like it. Yeah, I'm with her on that. It being in the beginning of November, have you all decorated for Christmas yet?

We do decorate for Christmas, but we haven't done it yet. We just do all the fun stuff about Christmas and not the going to church and believing in God part of it.

Of course.

The pagan stuff. Yeah, exactly.

No, we haven't. We have taken the Halloween decoration down.

Nice. Do you decorate for Thanksgiving?

Are you those people? There are some fall...

There's a corn husk.

Cornus.

Cornucopia, the Horn of plenty.

There's some fall leaves somewhere.

You put up that stuff.

Imported from Maine.

Nally hired a- My mom, I swear to God, my mom, every once in a while sends me fall leaves in the Maine.

Can you believe that? Isn't that? That's why you're in the Mariam. Yeah, That's why I'm going to marry.

That's so sweet.

Nally hired, I don't know. What I do? It's about you or me or both. Nelly hired a company to decorate our house with Christmas lights before Halloween.

On the outside of the house?

Wait, you've already put them up?

Oh, my God. Before Halloween came, I was like, I am a Halloween hater, and so we're getting a start on Christmas. I was like, We have a group message for our neighborhood. Texted the group message. They like to send when there's a solicitor going around. They're a little grumpy old ladies. I responded with, So sorry, I've already ruined the Halloween vibe, but my Christmas lights are up. Hope you all enjoy.

Are they turned on?

They do go on.

4: 00 PM to midnight.

They're on a Timer.

Reefs, reefs with red toes. We're in it.

It looks nice.

Christmas trees are up in the windows. I'm not. I would never argue for a moment that it would look nice. Can we just have one moment?

We could have a moment. Just one moment. We can.

How are you feeling about that?

It's a little much. It's a little bit. I don't know if I should feel emasculated.

No, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying- You thought I would ask you to climb on top of it.

That wouldn't have gotten done until six years from now.

I have definitely been asked to go up and hang them, and I finally did on December 23rd, and then they stayed up till April. Exactly. Last year, we actually did. We did hire the person.

It's, you know what?

I hired... Being a relatively first-time homeowner over the past few years, it was like... I forgot that it was even a thing to decorate my house for Christmas. We watched all the Christmas Crock Rismalds growing up. Then I was like, Wait, no, I'm not going to do that.

It adds a special magicalness.

Then I realized that was It's a Humbug.

Well, I don't think it's necessarily Humbug. Again, we're going to have a little quick moment. This is not... Look, I'm very happy that you're happy. Thank you. Just seems a toucher. It seems a toucher.

Now he got us going and putting our Christmas tree up on November first. What?

Wait, the Christmas tree is up?

You did it before November.

I was going to say, mine's up to you on this weekend.

This year we did. Honestly, I like it.

I love a Christmas tree. It's a nice five. Will it survive?

It's fake. They're fake.

Oh, it's a fake one? Yeah. We have more than one, too. I can't do real. Okay.

Because I can't do real because I can't get them.

It's not going to survive three months.

Exactly.

I mean, Look, this is incredible. What am I judging? I collect Blu-rays. Thank you. You know what? I am not judging. I think it's incredible. We also do have the Christmas tree upstairs, and then in the TV room, we have a littler one. It brings a nice It brings a nice vibe.

I love two trees. It brings a nice vibe. Did you all do Elf on the Shelf for your kids? Did you all have that?

No, I think only because we were trying to survive.

We don't have time to pull the toilet paper out and make it look like this elf did it.

We're doing elaborate pranks. No, we're trying to keep two actual fucking babies breathing till the end of the day. Nobody had a free hand to do the toilet paper.

Yeah, that's valid.

Well, thanks for coming back, Tim. Guys, this has been so fun.

It's so much fun.

Come back. Other than Nobody Wants us, which is streaming now on Netflix, season 2. Check it out if you have it. If you've been living under a rock, I feel like everyone is watching it. Anything else you want to plug, promote, tell the people?

I would say while she and I are still doing the podcast, it's called Second In Command. We invite people on, and they choose a movie that has a president or a vice president in it. Then we examine the internal and external politics of the movie, trying to figure out, was Is it representative of its time? Would this person have- Now, does it have to be a movie, or would you also do Scandal? Usually, it's better with movies only because it's a tall order. It's a tall order just to watch all these movies.

Have you done Clear and Present Danger? Yeah. Have you done Clear and Present Danger yet?

We have done Clear and Present Danger. We're actually doing one later today for my date with the President's daughter. Yes.

Have you got- DECOB, original. I know about that one.

This is... I am definitely feeling like a generation gap when I mention this movie. It has gotten a lot of that reaction from people younger than me and people my age are like, I truly don't know what the fuck that is.

Have you done Dave?

We have done Dave. There was a big discussion about how Sigourney Weaver seeing him naked. Is Kevin Klein's penis noticeably different when he's in the shower seeing... Do you know about Dave?

Dave is a movie about a guy who looks like the President. The President dies while having sex with someone having an affair, and then they insert him. For all the conspiracy theories out there that is popping up these days, it's a light-hearted, fun, conspiracy theory movie.

Yeah. Kevin Klein is both playing the President who dies and then plays the guy, Dave, who then comes in to pretend he's the President. And Sigourne Weaver walks in on him taking a shower. She's the first lady. She's the first lady. There's this whole scene and everybody's like, Does his dick look exactly the same? Wouldn't she know? Then you have to have the conversation like, They're estranged. Maybe they haven't had sex in a long time. But honestly- Maybe her eyes are always closed. Maybe. But just what are the differences in the pubes and body hair situation?

That's a great point. If you look identical in the face, is the penis also?

Is the penis itself? What if he's not circumcised and the president was? There are a lot of... Anyway, This is the stuff that we talk about on the podcast.

These are really important political discussions.

Pretty much like dick-based discussions.

Second in command. Second in command. Wherever you get podcast.

Are there a lot of vice president movies?

There are some. We've seen a lot of times it's like, All right, if we put a president in here, nobody would buy it, but somebody would buy that a vice president would be there. It's a way of raising stakes without raising them too high. We've watched a lot of president movies.

A lot of Gerard Butler.

Yeah, we did all of the- I love those.

Limpus has fallen.

Yeah, Olympus has Fallen. Jason Manzukas came on and was like, I'm doing all three of them. We had to power watch all three of them in two days. I'm a Jerry Butler. I'm a Jerry Butler guy. Me too. Den of Thiefs.

Oh, my God. We went to the horse tracks with him. Not with him, but we were in the same group.

We were in the same group. Up at Santa Anita? Yeah. Oh, dope. How was that?

It was actually very fun. He looks very similar to- He looks like a- Jake Gyllenhaal. No.

No.

Zack Alphanackis.

It was like, did Zack Alphanackis have a glow up? Is he really, like, broadly sexy in real life? Or is that Gerard Butler? It was the craziest thing ever.

He was wearing glasses, and I'm like, I don't know.

That was the conversation we had. We're like, Wait, is that...

Is Gerard Butler on one? Or does Zack Galifanack just look amazing?

Truly, it was like... Always good to see you, Guys, this is awesome.

Thank you for having me.

Thank you so much.

All right, that'll do it for today's episode. Thank you to all our guests, Joe from Love Is Blind, Miles Smith, and also, Timothy Simons. We appreciate them all. We appreciate you joining and listening to the show. Be sure to subscribe. Tell all your friends all that fun stuff. Don't forget to check out the Going Deeper episode of Sparkle, Megan and Jordan. That came out yesterday, as well as our interviews with Ali and Anton from Love is Blind and Shannon Bedore on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap. We'll see you next week. Bye-bye.